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Speaker 1: Welcome back to the Friday Podcast in part two of

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Speaker 1: the Bill Coore interview. If you missed Part one, check

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Speaker 1: it out on our website, iTunes or Stitcher.

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Speaker 2: Thank you to all the listeners who submitted questions.

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Speaker 1: While I couldn't get through all of them, I tried

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Speaker 1: to touch on them a vast majority throughout the conversation.

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Speaker 1: If you're new to the podcast, be sure to subscribe

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Speaker 1: to our channel on iTunes and Stitcher. Now here's part

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Speaker 1: two of our conversation with Bill Coore.

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Speaker 2: I miss the green, for example, I'm already upset.

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Speaker 3: When I find my ball in the bunker, I'm really upset.

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Speaker 3: And when I find my ball.

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Speaker 4: In a Frida Egg Friday egg, the dreaded Friday Friday,

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Speaker 4: Friday Frida Friday Bride egg.

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Speaker 3: Lie, I'm about ready to run off the golf course game.

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Speaker 5: And uh so to switch gears another side of yours

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Speaker 5: when and this is a question from one of our listeners,

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Speaker 5: cars on the course or for of course he wanted.

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Speaker 2: To asked when he originally finished Warren a Notre Dame.

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Speaker 3: Of course there was no.

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Speaker 2: Part of the scorecards, and what was the thinking behind that?

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Speaker 3: Well, any that that truly is like you know it

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Speaker 3: just that came about out of sort of a humorous

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Speaker 3: comment that I made. We were just finishing the course,

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Speaker 3: and of that there Brian Godfrey, who at the time

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Speaker 3: and for quite a number of years after the course opened,

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Speaker 3: was the golfer afterview, and Brian need to comment that

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Speaker 3: the then golf coach another day questioned how the second

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Speaker 3: home could be a part four and the tenth hole

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Speaker 3: could be a part five when the second home was

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Speaker 3: longer than the tenth in terms of actual yard. Each

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Speaker 3: other score right down if you'd played there, you know,

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Speaker 3: the second hold flat. He goes out there and it

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Speaker 3: was built to be a long for big opening in front.

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Speaker 3: Tenth home goes kind of cascaded down that hills, got

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Speaker 3: the creek that winds in front of it. There much

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Speaker 3: more spear green. So anyway, but Brian was saying, this

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Speaker 3: is you know, they said, this has come up more

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Speaker 3: than just from the golf coach and we're getting ready

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Speaker 3: to open, we're going to apprentice score cards and we're

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Speaker 3: good all this stuff. He said, what do you say

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Speaker 3: to that? And I went through and why the second

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Speaker 3: home and then I saw a flu bumpily just said,

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Speaker 3: I said well, brun and does it really matter. I mean,

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Speaker 3: it basically is, you're going to play the whole regardless

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Speaker 3: of what the par is, and you're gonna put down

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Speaker 3: a number after you played it, you know, So what

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Speaker 3: difference is it? I said, for that matter, you just

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Speaker 3: put no par on the scorecard and no one will

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Speaker 3: ever know Ryan he laughed. And the next thing I know,

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Speaker 3: they decide, well, let's try this. We'll put it in

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Speaker 3: no par on the scorecard. We'll needless to say. You

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Speaker 3: can imagine uproar that creating, so that all came out

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Speaker 3: of it. Just I wasn't really being serious about don't

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Speaker 3: put any par on the score card. But I've seen scorecards,

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Speaker 3: you know, and no parum So that's what.

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Speaker 5: My whole things. Power doesn't matter. Yeah, yeah, it's just

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Speaker 3: Well, it's like when we did all that work at

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Speaker 3: Planners Number two a few years ago, when Mike Davis

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Speaker 3: there was this discussion going on about changing you know,

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Speaker 3: prior to the twenty fourteen opens there, the fourth hole

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Speaker 3: had been a part five and the fifth hole was

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Speaker 3: a part four, probably the hardest part four in the world.

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Speaker 3: And Mike davis idea was, let's make the fourth home

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Speaker 3: is such so much more receptive from real all four,

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Speaker 3: and the green on number five is so severe. Let's

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Speaker 3: five as a part five. Well, of course this went

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Speaker 3: It was quite an internal controversy, but Mike sended up perfectly,

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Speaker 3: he said, he said, I promise you, he said, all

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Speaker 3: the players in the Chims you'd look at this at nine. Yes,

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Speaker 3: these two holes together, four or five. It didn't matters five, four,

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Speaker 3: they're happy. They're going on. He said, So, however you

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Speaker 5: And one two Riviera fourteen fifteen at sand Hill, I mean,

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Speaker 3: And you know if you look back, people say, well

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Speaker 3: opens they're number two. Well, they when Ross completely redid

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Speaker 3: the course for the thirty six PGA Championship. They were

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Speaker 5: So outside of this old town of timers that you've gotten.

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Speaker 6: To do restorations of what site or what of course

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Speaker 6: that you've restored has been in that course that like,

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Speaker 6: the longer you spend, the greater appreciation you have for it.

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Speaker 3: M hmm. I don't think there is work, Mandy, you know.

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Speaker 3: I mean, it's not only have we been extremely fortunate

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Speaker 3: We've we've been very fortunate to work in some really

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Speaker 3: we've worked as a truly truly special golf courses in

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Speaker 3: and you and then you go to another one you oh, wow,

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Speaker 3: that's equally of it. And so what you try to do,

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Speaker 4: So is that how you approached the restoration work? Is

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Speaker 4: is you know, not just putting everything back, but discovering

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Speaker 3: Of Absolutely you're trying to take yourself out of the picture,

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Speaker 3: just not in approval. I mean when we worked at

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Speaker 3: just hope that mister Ross, if he came back, you know,

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Speaker 3: not that he's gonna plaud, but at least he would

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Speaker 3: be in approval that this is this is as close

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Speaker 3: is he must have intended, and you know the same

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Speaker 2: The restoration. I'm excited to see more and more.

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Speaker 5: Come is because there's so many places that if you

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well, it can be extremely difficult, it can be

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Speaker 3: extremely political. It's you know, yeah, I mean just since

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Speaker 3: Benda first went there, Don Pageant, who's the president of Pioneers,

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Speaker 3: the first question when you had to restore to what

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Speaker 3: and it's very vast, there are some places you simply

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Speaker 3: there's a different infrastructure, there's different things that have changed.

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Speaker 3: You know that it's just simply not possible to put

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Speaker 5: We talked to earlier a little bit about the pro

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Speaker 5: hit it close and narrow. And this year they'll have

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Speaker 5: the Buyer and Nelson, the trinity for us.

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Speaker 2: What do you I mean, what are you expecting from

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Speaker 3: Of course for the most part.

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Speaker 5: But you know, do you think do you think the

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Speaker 3: I think it will be extremely mixed. I think it's

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Speaker 3: going to be all the way across the spectacum. I

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Speaker 3: think there will be some players who will very quickly

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Speaker 3: And it's just different, and it's different. It's different for Texas,

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Speaker 3: it's different for the tour. It's a different presentation. And

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Speaker 3: anything anytime something is different, there's you know, it's certainly

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Speaker 3: open to a vast array of interpretation. Is whether that

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Speaker 3: not that there are any short players on a tour anymore,

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Speaker 3: but it could be a situation very likely that the

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Speaker 3: So it's going to allow a lot of choices to

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Speaker 3: how far down the fairways, and the fairways are wide

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Speaker 3: choose to play it. I really wish. I don't think

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Speaker 3: you will hear sometimes you hear comments like well, it's

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Speaker 3: whoever puts bass that week, you know where it's a

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Speaker 3: hunter's golf course. I don't think you'll hear that. I

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Speaker 3: of that there are times there that to be successful

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Speaker 3: greens than they might normally play. It's not it's not

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Speaker 5: So many people aren't based around statistics now, I'm sure,

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Speaker 5: and the Strokes game method is like, oh, if you're

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Speaker 5: in Pharaoh this far away, you know you've gained this

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Speaker 5: man if I think playing very good architectural, of course,

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Speaker 2: You can be in the middles fairly and be one

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Speaker 5: Worst places, and that to me is going to be

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Speaker 2: That the right play might be.

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Speaker 3: We happen to think they're the best. But at the

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Speaker 3: same time, when you see things like the Conjours or

435
00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:06,320
Speaker 3: the greens at Oakmont, or you go to wing Foot

436
00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:10,880
Speaker 3: and you just you just see things summer set hills,

437
00:29:11,560 --> 00:29:14,680
Speaker 3: you go to look at the greens Summerset Hills and

438
00:29:14,760 --> 00:29:18,880
Speaker 3: you go, are you kidding me? Who thought of this?

439
00:29:19,120 --> 00:29:20,640
Speaker 3: How did he think of this?

440
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Speaker 2: And it works?

441
00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:25,400
Speaker 3: And yet you could easily try to mimic some of

442
00:29:25,440 --> 00:29:31,560
Speaker 3: that those conjours within green within putting services and fail

443
00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:35,040
Speaker 3: miserably and then be tearing them all up and redoing

444
00:29:35,040 --> 00:29:39,720
Speaker 3: them within a year. So it's those judgment calls. How

445
00:29:39,720 --> 00:29:41,880
Speaker 3: do you how do you make them? And how do

446
00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:46,080
Speaker 3: you approximate the best that's ever been done in terms

447
00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:48,720
Speaker 3: of creativity and still making it work.

448
00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:56,080
Speaker 5: It is a fine line. Jerry Flyon, who used to

449
00:29:56,120 --> 00:29:59,080
Speaker 5: work at Sandle, had a question along the same line

450
00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:01,560
Speaker 5: that kind of love, we've certainly end it.

451
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Speaker 2: If you could redo.

452
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Speaker 5: Any hole or strangles at your courses, would you do it?

453
00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:13,480
Speaker 5: And if you would, where would it be?

454
00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:19,360
Speaker 3: Well we have done it, I mean we have done it.

455
00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:23,280
Speaker 3: Good to hear from you, Jared to no balls and

456
00:30:23,320 --> 00:30:25,000
Speaker 3: well have we talked to you in a while? So

457
00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:29,520
Speaker 3: like Jared a lot, it's very talent, very talent.

458
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Speaker 5: Good.

459
00:30:32,280 --> 00:30:35,800
Speaker 3: You know, again, we do the best we know how

460
00:30:35,840 --> 00:30:40,720
Speaker 3: to do it with each given site, each given opportunity

461
00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:45,960
Speaker 3: to build a course. That doesn't mean we get it right.

462
00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:52,480
Speaker 3: We try, but we're very much aware, and particularly on

463
00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:58,520
Speaker 3: some sites that are pretty severe, that you think something's

464
00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:01,720
Speaker 3: you know, you put the first presentation out there, I

465
00:31:01,760 --> 00:31:03,200
Speaker 3: think this is the best we know how to do

466
00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:07,000
Speaker 3: on this, and then you watch it, and you watch

467
00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:12,960
Speaker 3: people play it over a period of time, and then

468
00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:18,840
Speaker 3: if if you believe, you sincerely believe you can refine

469
00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:22,240
Speaker 3: something or make something better, make it more playable, or

470
00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:26,760
Speaker 3: make it more interesting for more than just one classic offer.

471
00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:29,320
Speaker 3: You don't just look at it. How do we make

472
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Speaker 3: this tougher for the college players or the tour players

473
00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:36,000
Speaker 3: or something. How could we do something? Could we do

474
00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:40,640
Speaker 3: something here that would influence make this more interesting for

475
00:31:40,760 --> 00:31:45,160
Speaker 3: the members, for the resort players, or the guests or

476
00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:48,760
Speaker 3: the best players in the world. That's whatever we can

477
00:31:48,840 --> 00:31:50,840
Speaker 3: we do this? Can we accomplish that and make it

478
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Speaker 3: more interesting. That's when you make a move, and or

479
00:31:54,760 --> 00:32:00,840
Speaker 3: when something just simply you know, just think, well, we

480
00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:05,000
Speaker 3: did the best we could at the time, and now,

481
00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:10,320
Speaker 3: hindsight being pro bbial twenty twenty, we probably should have

482
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Speaker 3: done something a little different. We've been fortunate in not

483
00:32:14,520 --> 00:32:19,120
Speaker 3: having a huge number of those situations. But it was

484
00:32:19,320 --> 00:32:21,840
Speaker 3: just daylight some and I we're just at Eastampton Golf

485
00:32:21,880 --> 00:32:28,280
Speaker 3: Club just a month ago. And the little drop shot

486
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Speaker 3: Part three holder of the seventeenth it was number eight

487
00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:36,000
Speaker 3: when we were did the switch the lines which a

488
00:32:36,040 --> 00:32:39,600
Speaker 3: little downhill, just pitch a little pitch down the hill

489
00:32:40,160 --> 00:32:44,880
Speaker 3: to a plateau green. Part three. The green was that

490
00:32:45,040 --> 00:32:49,320
Speaker 3: we built simply too severe for the green speeds and

491
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Speaker 3: maintained and two and for you know, it just didn't

492
00:32:55,520 --> 00:32:59,960
Speaker 3: it just didn't work. Well. Did it work? Yes, it worked.

493
00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:03,360
Speaker 3: The members and seemed to have embraced it for years.

494
00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:06,320
Speaker 3: For years now I've been I've been talking to the

495
00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:09,400
Speaker 3: folks at East Tampa about could we just go soften

496
00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:13,280
Speaker 3: those countries. We can maintain the relationships. So it's not

497
00:33:13,720 --> 00:33:18,560
Speaker 3: like the the Green can look dramatically different or anything.

498
00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:20,560
Speaker 3: It just can we we can just make it a

499
00:33:20,600 --> 00:33:23,840
Speaker 3: little more payable and playable and just a little more fun.

500
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Speaker 3: And uh, the kid that the guys folks at East

501
00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:31,760
Speaker 3: Hampton and they were they were very happy with it

502
00:33:31,840 --> 00:33:34,720
Speaker 3: to where it was. But this year enough sand and

503
00:33:34,800 --> 00:33:36,760
Speaker 3: built up from the bunker, you know, coming out of

504
00:33:36,760 --> 00:33:39,160
Speaker 3: the bunkers around the rim of the green, and it

505
00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:42,000
Speaker 3: had started to really constricting things they said we we

506
00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:44,880
Speaker 3: should probably fit for. At the same time, we sawt

507
00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:47,560
Speaker 3: in the contract a little bit. And then they just

508
00:33:48,040 --> 00:33:53,960
Speaker 3: reseeded the green away as well. They won't they won't

509
00:33:53,960 --> 00:33:57,000
Speaker 3: see it till next season. But yeah, yeah, it's still

510
00:33:57,120 --> 00:33:59,200
Speaker 3: got you know, it's got a little upper left shelf

511
00:33:59,240 --> 00:34:02,200
Speaker 3: in a little kind of middle upper thing in the

512
00:34:02,320 --> 00:34:05,200
Speaker 3: back center and the little dippy thing in the front pen.

513
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Speaker 5: And so.

514
00:34:07,960 --> 00:34:11,719
Speaker 3: But we, yes, we study these things that we're we

515
00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:17,040
Speaker 3: by no means believe that our first attempt at anything

516
00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:20,239
Speaker 3: is going to be the way it should absolutely be.

517
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Speaker 2: It's a good way to look at everything in life.

518
00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:28,719
Speaker 3: I think, and in the thing for us is we

519
00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:32,759
Speaker 3: love to maintain connection with the courses that we've done

520
00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:38,320
Speaker 3: and then watch how to progress. And sometimes, you know,

521
00:34:38,440 --> 00:34:43,200
Speaker 3: there can be some outcry against some element of the

522
00:34:43,320 --> 00:34:48,640
Speaker 3: golf course, and we resist saying, okay, let's go change that.

523
00:34:50,040 --> 00:34:52,840
Speaker 3: Let's see how it goes for a while, because sometimes

524
00:34:53,040 --> 00:34:57,000
Speaker 3: something particularly it's something different, may not be the most

525
00:34:57,080 --> 00:35:01,879
Speaker 3: positively received, but over period of time it becomes appreciated,

526
00:35:02,719 --> 00:35:06,040
Speaker 3: and so we like to give it time. And then

527
00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:09,920
Speaker 3: if we maintain the you know, the connection with the

528
00:35:10,040 --> 00:35:13,640
Speaker 3: course and we all we get together with the owners

529
00:35:14,280 --> 00:35:21,000
Speaker 3: and the members in order of the bodies may be

530
00:35:21,239 --> 00:35:25,200
Speaker 3: that you know that take care of the on the course,

531
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Speaker 3: take care of the course, and we say, okay, could

532
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Speaker 3: we do something here that might make it a little

533
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Speaker 3: more interesting, a little more playable, or whatever the case

534
00:35:34,120 --> 00:35:37,520
Speaker 3: may be. So the courses we like, and you're the

535
00:35:37,600 --> 00:35:40,880
Speaker 3: ones that we do the best we know how to do,

536
00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:47,239
Speaker 3: and yet we're probably aware that they haven't reached their

537
00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:52,279
Speaker 3: potential because that potential needs to be gained through stewardship

538
00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:56,440
Speaker 3: and management over a period of time and seeing how

539
00:35:56,520 --> 00:36:00,200
Speaker 3: they play and then seeing things that they need some

540
00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:03,840
Speaker 3: alterations big or small to get closer and closer to

541
00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:09,640
Speaker 3: their potential. So we we like seeing the courses that progress,

542
00:36:10,280 --> 00:36:13,319
Speaker 3: maybe not dramatically, but quietly not working.

543
00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:22,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's so many courses go the wrong way over time.

544
00:36:23,120 --> 00:36:25,120
Speaker 2: Really great to see and go the right way.

545
00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:25,480
Speaker 3: Yeah.

546
00:36:28,239 --> 00:36:32,400
Speaker 2: I got this question from a couple of youngsters and.

547
00:36:34,040 --> 00:36:38,360
Speaker 5: Various ages, But advice for younger people who want to

548
00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:43,400
Speaker 5: become architects who have studied the kind of concepts, But

549
00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:46,680
Speaker 5: you know, what would be your advice for a nineteen

550
00:36:46,840 --> 00:36:49,879
Speaker 5: or seventeen year old and you know, at this point

551
00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:52,280
Speaker 5: in their life wants to become a golf course architect.

552
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Speaker 3: Well, my first advice is have plan me, a serious

553
00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:08,319
Speaker 3: plan me. I guess it's easy for me sitting here

554
00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:12,799
Speaker 3: at this point in my life. But I remember Pete

555
00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:16,640
Speaker 3: dialand was years ago when we mentioned earlier about him

556
00:37:16,719 --> 00:37:23,000
Speaker 3: lying on the path watching the Dophins game, and I

557
00:37:23,120 --> 00:37:26,640
Speaker 3: said about I'd like to you know, I'd kind of

558
00:37:26,680 --> 00:37:28,160
Speaker 3: like said this had done, I might want to be

559
00:37:28,200 --> 00:37:31,600
Speaker 3: a golf course. I remember he was flippantly pat you know,

560
00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:34,959
Speaker 3: said it's only becoming a golf course already, talking about

561
00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:38,279
Speaker 3: same as being struck by lightning. You know it just

562
00:37:38,480 --> 00:37:41,680
Speaker 3: knew he's right back to TV. And that's not the

563
00:37:41,800 --> 00:37:47,239
Speaker 3: most encouraging advice. But it's not that far off. I

564
00:37:47,440 --> 00:37:54,799
Speaker 3: mean really in particularly in today's economic world, and it's

565
00:37:56,560 --> 00:37:59,600
Speaker 3: it's not that it can't happen. If you have a

566
00:37:59,680 --> 00:38:06,280
Speaker 3: dream to do that would I would say, choose every

567
00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:11,319
Speaker 3: possible avenue to pursue that dream, and yet make sure

568
00:38:11,640 --> 00:38:15,319
Speaker 3: there is a serious plan be back up. I would

569
00:38:15,400 --> 00:38:18,600
Speaker 3: say that to people are who are looking at golf architecture.

570
00:38:18,960 --> 00:38:21,839
Speaker 3: I would absolutely say it to people who think they're

571
00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:24,840
Speaker 3: going to play golfs for a living. There are a

572
00:38:24,880 --> 00:38:27,480
Speaker 3: lot of gary players out there. You better have plan B.

573
00:38:28,520 --> 00:38:35,120
Speaker 3: And so. Now having said that, I would study golf

574
00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:39,279
Speaker 3: courses as much as I possibly could, see as many

575
00:38:39,360 --> 00:38:43,360
Speaker 3: different ones as they could, I would not necessarily just

576
00:38:43,520 --> 00:38:46,920
Speaker 3: fall in line and say, oh, this is here's so

577
00:38:47,080 --> 00:38:50,000
Speaker 3: and so's ranking of courses. This has got to be

578
00:38:50,160 --> 00:38:53,440
Speaker 3: really good, it's in the top. Whatever. Go make your

579
00:38:53,480 --> 00:38:58,560
Speaker 3: own judgments. See enough different things to decide yourself do

580
00:38:58,719 --> 00:39:02,120
Speaker 3: I like this? And if you do, why do I

581
00:39:02,239 --> 00:39:06,200
Speaker 3: not like this? Why don't make those judgments on how

582
00:39:06,280 --> 00:39:09,680
Speaker 3: you played that day? If you play, make them upon

583
00:39:11,120 --> 00:39:13,560
Speaker 3: why didn't you like it? Or why do you like it?

584
00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:18,160
Speaker 3: Have to have to put up a reasonable defense of

585
00:39:18,280 --> 00:39:22,400
Speaker 3: your position, and by you know, you may see a

586
00:39:22,440 --> 00:39:26,800
Speaker 3: golf course it's not on anyone's ranking of anything and

587
00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:30,640
Speaker 3: think it's better than maybe the one that's the highest

588
00:39:30,719 --> 00:39:34,279
Speaker 3: rank of any ranking you see. That's okay, that has

589
00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:38,479
Speaker 3: merit that idea of thinking, I appreciate this course more.

590
00:39:39,080 --> 00:39:42,480
Speaker 3: Just get to the point you understand why you appreciate it.

591
00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:45,160
Speaker 3: And then if you if you got put in a

592
00:39:45,239 --> 00:39:48,520
Speaker 3: position to defend it, how would you defend it? So

593
00:39:49,400 --> 00:39:52,520
Speaker 3: beyond that. I would also say if you're able to

594
00:39:52,600 --> 00:39:59,399
Speaker 3: do it, if you're financial situation as such, or if

595
00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:04,040
Speaker 3: you can survive when extorted in minimal finances and that

596
00:40:04,200 --> 00:40:07,080
Speaker 3: sort of thing, you don't have a family you're responsible for,

597
00:40:08,520 --> 00:40:13,400
Speaker 3: then go get engaged in the business of building these things.

598
00:40:13,480 --> 00:40:17,319
Speaker 3: Start at the ground. Starting at the ground is not fun,

599
00:40:18,160 --> 00:40:21,000
Speaker 3: but start if you have to, as a labor with

600
00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:25,480
Speaker 3: a maintenance crew on a golf course, then a construction crew.

601
00:40:25,640 --> 00:40:29,560
Speaker 3: Find out how these things get built, and then interact,

602
00:40:29,960 --> 00:40:33,200
Speaker 3: if possible, with the people who are making the decisions

603
00:40:33,440 --> 00:40:37,280
Speaker 3: as to how they're being built, and then if possible,

604
00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:40,239
Speaker 3: with people that are making decisions how they're being designed,

605
00:40:40,680 --> 00:40:45,560
Speaker 3: and just get engaged in the process. I mean, if

606
00:40:45,640 --> 00:40:49,040
Speaker 3: you can learn how to do that and get a

607
00:40:49,160 --> 00:40:52,839
Speaker 3: sense of what actually occurs. Because we all have the thief,

608
00:40:53,280 --> 00:40:55,759
Speaker 3: we can all study the books and we can all

609
00:40:55,920 --> 00:41:02,200
Speaker 3: come up with the talking point. But when the push

610
00:41:02,280 --> 00:41:05,000
Speaker 3: comes to shadow, as they say, how do you get

611
00:41:05,040 --> 00:41:08,520
Speaker 3: it done? And you can talk about risk and reward,

612
00:41:08,680 --> 00:41:11,480
Speaker 3: and you can talk about all the strategy you can

613
00:41:11,560 --> 00:41:13,840
Speaker 3: talk you can talk about all these things. All you

614
00:41:13,960 --> 00:41:17,800
Speaker 3: want to do, you make the most beautiful sketches with

615
00:41:18,239 --> 00:41:20,919
Speaker 3: how do you get it done on the ground. That's

616
00:41:20,960 --> 00:41:24,640
Speaker 3: a whole another thing. And I remember Pete telling me

617
00:41:24,680 --> 00:41:26,719
Speaker 3: in years ago too, is it one thing you'd have

618
00:41:26,840 --> 00:41:29,040
Speaker 3: to learn. You've got to understand how to talk to

619
00:41:29,160 --> 00:41:33,120
Speaker 3: the guide on the machine. That's another cutting through to

620
00:41:33,160 --> 00:41:37,000
Speaker 3: the most simplestic way. I'm staying communicating, you've got to

621
00:41:37,160 --> 00:41:41,520
Speaker 3: understand if you're expecting something to happen in terms of contour,

622
00:41:42,080 --> 00:41:45,560
Speaker 3: how do you get that message through? And if you

623
00:41:45,680 --> 00:41:49,280
Speaker 3: know how to do it yourself, if you're physically capable

624
00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:53,400
Speaker 3: of running a piece of equipment and creating something yourself,

625
00:41:54,600 --> 00:41:59,279
Speaker 3: it's a huge advantage because even if you're struggling to

626
00:41:59,360 --> 00:42:05,279
Speaker 3: communicate somebody else, you can show an example. This is

627
00:42:05,360 --> 00:42:07,880
Speaker 3: what we're talking about. This is this is how, and

628
00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:10,839
Speaker 3: you start to build those relationships with the people who

629
00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:15,239
Speaker 3: are making it happen. And it works the other way

630
00:42:15,320 --> 00:42:18,880
Speaker 3: because when they realize you, first of all, have been

631
00:42:19,000 --> 00:42:22,080
Speaker 3: willing to do that and secondly understand a bit of

632
00:42:22,160 --> 00:42:25,640
Speaker 3: what they're going to that respect and appreciation is going

633
00:42:25,719 --> 00:42:29,520
Speaker 3: to increase dramatically, and then communication is going to be

634
00:42:29,640 --> 00:42:35,160
Speaker 3: much much better. So I've said that our guys, you know,

635
00:42:35,280 --> 00:42:38,160
Speaker 3: we've got guys that have worked with us for years

636
00:42:38,200 --> 00:42:41,800
Speaker 3: ago off and do their own designs and they're just

637
00:42:41,960 --> 00:42:45,360
Speaker 3: doing some absolutely beautiful stuff. But they're able to do

638
00:42:45,520 --> 00:42:48,759
Speaker 3: it because they're also not only that they can think

639
00:42:48,800 --> 00:42:52,000
Speaker 3: about the design, the theory, the strategy and risk award,

640
00:42:52,560 --> 00:42:55,400
Speaker 3: they're able to get it done on the ground. So

641
00:42:55,640 --> 00:42:58,640
Speaker 3: particularly some of these lower budget golf course which they're

642
00:42:58,640 --> 00:43:01,239
Speaker 3: all they're gonna be more one of those as time

643
00:43:01,400 --> 00:43:05,480
Speaker 3: goes by. But when that those courses, if you have

644
00:43:05,719 --> 00:43:12,160
Speaker 3: the ability to literally create your ideas yourself on the ground,

645
00:43:12,800 --> 00:43:17,040
Speaker 3: you had a huge edge start because then the lower

646
00:43:17,120 --> 00:43:21,160
Speaker 3: budget situations, well, I get this guy, he designed it,

647
00:43:21,360 --> 00:43:23,800
Speaker 3: but he can also make it happen and work with

648
00:43:23,920 --> 00:43:26,680
Speaker 3: the guys now. Years ago that was very difficult to

649
00:43:26,800 --> 00:43:29,000
Speaker 3: do because you're either the designer or you were a

650
00:43:30,640 --> 00:43:34,600
Speaker 3: constructor or a builder or something. So the design build

651
00:43:34,640 --> 00:43:38,399
Speaker 3: thing back many years ago was you know, I'll say

652
00:43:38,400 --> 00:43:44,000
Speaker 3: it wasn't looked upon so favorably, but it's absolutely the

653
00:43:44,080 --> 00:43:44,880
Speaker 3: way of the future.

654
00:43:45,960 --> 00:43:47,280
Speaker 2: He said that all the time.

655
00:43:49,600 --> 00:43:53,719
Speaker 5: You find these younger like especially any Ali that's looking

656
00:43:53,840 --> 00:43:59,040
Speaker 5: to do anything should and you don't have a budgets

657
00:43:59,160 --> 00:44:05,279
Speaker 5: that get somebody that's a uper talented, but he can

658
00:44:05,400 --> 00:44:06,239
Speaker 5: do all the work.

659
00:44:06,960 --> 00:44:11,440
Speaker 3: And that's absolutely right. And I mean, you know, two

660
00:44:11,480 --> 00:44:13,560
Speaker 3: of the guys who worked with us, Keith Repp and

661
00:44:13,719 --> 00:44:17,080
Speaker 3: Riley Jones, what they did at Winter Park, the little

662
00:44:17,239 --> 00:44:19,840
Speaker 3: nine whole course down there far Egypt. They did the

663
00:44:19,960 --> 00:44:24,040
Speaker 3: most beautiful job. And it was a situation there simply

664
00:44:24,080 --> 00:44:26,320
Speaker 3: it was not a budget if they had hired a

665
00:44:27,120 --> 00:44:31,280
Speaker 3: quote name designer or something there with their whole budget,

666
00:44:31,840 --> 00:44:34,680
Speaker 3: or if they you know, if they if they didn't

667
00:44:34,680 --> 00:44:37,319
Speaker 3: they have a you know, a contractor actor Willison. I'm

668
00:44:37,360 --> 00:44:41,440
Speaker 3: believe me, I'm very great admiration for golf course builders

669
00:44:41,480 --> 00:44:46,480
Speaker 3: and they do fabulous work. But there's sometimes you just

670
00:44:46,600 --> 00:44:49,520
Speaker 3: got to have a little bit of both and and

671
00:44:50,280 --> 00:44:53,239
Speaker 3: to make it happen. And there's a prime example, and

672
00:44:53,520 --> 00:44:57,279
Speaker 3: uh Dave Oxen and Dan Prompter who worked with us.

673
00:44:57,440 --> 00:45:02,360
Speaker 3: They went out there to Wildhorse Gothenburg, Nebraska, in the

674
00:45:02,520 --> 00:45:05,800
Speaker 3: tiny little town in the you know, the edges of

675
00:45:05,840 --> 00:45:08,920
Speaker 3: the sand hills there in Nebraska, and they built us

676
00:45:09,640 --> 00:45:12,440
Speaker 3: this eighteen year old golf course. It must have been

677
00:45:12,520 --> 00:45:16,200
Speaker 3: fifteen years ago or so. It's still considered one of

678
00:45:16,320 --> 00:45:22,439
Speaker 3: the best public golf courses in America. Yes, and I think,

679
00:45:23,120 --> 00:45:28,640
Speaker 3: I think it may be considered the best, very low

680
00:45:28,960 --> 00:45:34,680
Speaker 3: priced point golf course in America. And it's because they

681
00:45:34,840 --> 00:45:37,600
Speaker 3: worked with a contractor and they worked with construction people

682
00:45:37,719 --> 00:45:40,759
Speaker 3: do it, but they designed it and helped build it

683
00:45:40,800 --> 00:45:45,000
Speaker 3: themselves with the with you know, the assistance of the

684
00:45:45,040 --> 00:45:46,160
Speaker 3: golf course contractor.

685
00:45:46,520 --> 00:45:49,719
Speaker 5: Do you think about the logic pres you hire an

686
00:45:49,840 --> 00:45:54,440
Speaker 5: art intact who hires the contractor, two businesses are making

687
00:45:54,719 --> 00:45:57,600
Speaker 5: a profit off of it. If you hire an architect

688
00:45:57,680 --> 00:46:02,239
Speaker 5: that builds one business like, you know, like everybodyho's making

689
00:46:02,320 --> 00:46:04,720
Speaker 5: them profit, you know, like you wouldn't be in business

690
00:46:04,840 --> 00:46:07,000
Speaker 5: like but you're taking one.

691
00:46:07,239 --> 00:46:13,560
Speaker 2: And then also that communication. The the whole idea is

692
00:46:13,719 --> 00:46:16,520
Speaker 2: there's one last person and you know how much he

693
00:46:16,680 --> 00:46:18,400
Speaker 2: hears it for you to make a decision, and it

694
00:46:18,600 --> 00:46:20,239
Speaker 2: is for you and you're allowed to make it.

695
00:46:20,320 --> 00:46:20,520
Speaker 5: This is.

696
00:46:22,520 --> 00:46:26,719
Speaker 3: The simple. Unfortunately, we're pretty good about that. It's not

697
00:46:26,840 --> 00:46:32,160
Speaker 3: that big a difference. But yeah, I understand completing what

698
00:46:32,280 --> 00:46:35,160
Speaker 3: you're saying. Yeah, it's just.

699
00:46:36,760 --> 00:46:43,319
Speaker 2: So we do this overrated underrated. Second, so I give

700
00:46:43,360 --> 00:46:46,719
Speaker 2: you this is the last thing we're doing. I give

701
00:46:46,760 --> 00:46:50,719
Speaker 2: you a topic and you have to overrate or underrated.

702
00:46:51,080 --> 00:46:58,160
Speaker 2: There's no properly rated. So we're going to start with

703
00:46:58,480 --> 00:46:59,880
Speaker 2: Ben crenshops hunting.

704
00:47:03,640 --> 00:47:07,719
Speaker 3: I would say it's underrating. I mean, I've watched Ben

705
00:47:07,840 --> 00:47:10,920
Speaker 3: now for he and I've been business partnership. It's going

706
00:47:10,960 --> 00:47:14,040
Speaker 3: to be thirty two years next month. It's just incredible,

707
00:47:14,160 --> 00:47:17,359
Speaker 3: hard to believe, but you know, I've watched Ben from

708
00:47:17,760 --> 00:47:20,319
Speaker 3: the town. He was absolutely one of the very best

709
00:47:20,360 --> 00:47:26,400
Speaker 3: players in the world and probably recognizes the best putter

710
00:47:26,480 --> 00:47:30,839
Speaker 3: in the world. And to today where he buys own

711
00:47:31,239 --> 00:47:34,360
Speaker 3: admission with not calling himself one of the better players

712
00:47:34,840 --> 00:47:37,400
Speaker 3: in Austin probably versus and that's left in the world.

713
00:47:37,520 --> 00:47:40,840
Speaker 3: So and and and yet even to this day, his

714
00:47:41,160 --> 00:47:46,520
Speaker 3: ability to roll the golf ball on putting service is

715
00:47:46,640 --> 00:47:51,120
Speaker 3: just the thing to behold. He just is. He does

716
00:47:51,239 --> 00:47:56,759
Speaker 3: it time after times, just the ability to visualize a

717
00:47:56,880 --> 00:48:00,440
Speaker 3: line and get the proper speed and then to get

718
00:48:00,480 --> 00:48:03,000
Speaker 3: the vault and just roll over and over towards the

719
00:48:03,040 --> 00:48:07,680
Speaker 3: hole and almost invariably will end up either touching the

720
00:48:07,760 --> 00:48:11,200
Speaker 3: hole or being extremely close to it. And you see

721
00:48:11,239 --> 00:48:13,320
Speaker 3: it so often you just take it for granted, and

722
00:48:13,640 --> 00:48:16,360
Speaker 3: it just you know, we were talking some earlier about

723
00:48:16,920 --> 00:48:20,319
Speaker 3: people who are truly extraordinary. They're what they do make

724
00:48:20,400 --> 00:48:22,759
Speaker 3: it look so easy even you believe you can do it.

725
00:48:23,480 --> 00:48:25,239
Speaker 3: And so I've looked at this for years and ago

726
00:48:25,440 --> 00:48:27,839
Speaker 3: I can do that. Well, it doesn't quite work out

727
00:48:27,920 --> 00:48:32,759
Speaker 3: that way, you know, And so I don't know the

728
00:48:32,920 --> 00:48:34,759
Speaker 3: be in an agreement of this, but three years men

729
00:48:34,880 --> 00:48:40,800
Speaker 3: has extraordinary I say, even to this day, and I

730
00:48:41,040 --> 00:48:44,640
Speaker 3: truly believe that that is a part of his heat.

731
00:48:44,680 --> 00:48:49,840
Speaker 3: Can see the movement of grass and things on cutting

732
00:48:49,960 --> 00:48:52,799
Speaker 3: surfaces in a way that I've never seen anyone else.

733
00:48:52,920 --> 00:48:56,239
Speaker 3: And you know, I truly believe that's part of it.

734
00:48:57,000 --> 00:49:02,920
Speaker 3: And of course he's incredible touch his build to just

735
00:49:03,880 --> 00:49:07,640
Speaker 3: roll a poll from the proper line at proper speed,

736
00:49:08,680 --> 00:49:12,960
Speaker 3: and it's so as as much as he's been touted

737
00:49:13,040 --> 00:49:15,560
Speaker 3: as being one of the worlds, is not the world's

738
00:49:16,120 --> 00:49:21,160
Speaker 3: best putters. I think his reputation is under state.

739
00:49:21,680 --> 00:49:24,640
Speaker 2: I bet I bet that putters that can see a

740
00:49:24,680 --> 00:49:26,000
Speaker 2: few matches over the year.

741
00:49:27,600 --> 00:49:32,200
Speaker 3: Unfortunately, Ben I don't play for anything that, so yeah,

742
00:49:32,280 --> 00:49:34,879
Speaker 3: I can't. We just start off. It's a given who's

743
00:49:34,920 --> 00:49:37,040
Speaker 3: going to win, So it's the we go.

744
00:49:37,160 --> 00:49:43,520
Speaker 7: From there, playing against a guy who, when it's anywhere

745
00:49:43,560 --> 00:49:47,520
Speaker 7: with the twenty five feet year just utterly terrified that.

746
00:49:47,600 --> 00:49:52,719
Speaker 3: The ball's going to go. Yeah, it's it looks like

747
00:49:52,960 --> 00:49:54,920
Speaker 3: almost everyone's going to go on with it.

748
00:49:57,320 --> 00:50:00,319
Speaker 2: Overrated, underrated, blind approp.

749
00:50:00,120 --> 00:50:11,320
Speaker 3: Shots overrated meaning they're they're perceived as as bad in

750
00:50:11,520 --> 00:50:15,800
Speaker 3: just in just in general. You know, they I just

751
00:50:15,960 --> 00:50:16,440
Speaker 3: go the.

752
00:50:18,320 --> 00:50:20,200
Speaker 2: Public perception is your basis.

753
00:50:21,440 --> 00:50:24,080
Speaker 3: Well, the public perception I think would be that that's

754
00:50:24,160 --> 00:50:29,800
Speaker 3: a that's a negative. You know, blind appro shots. I

755
00:50:29,960 --> 00:50:34,560
Speaker 3: personally believe nothing Ben agrees to this. That in there

756
00:50:35,520 --> 00:50:40,480
Speaker 3: in certain situations, you can't have anything more fascinating that

757
00:50:40,600 --> 00:50:44,040
Speaker 3: a blind approach over the hill and get the top

758
00:50:44,040 --> 00:50:46,040
Speaker 3: of the hill and look down there and see where

759
00:50:46,080 --> 00:50:50,320
Speaker 3: did it go. And if the if the contours allow

760
00:50:50,400 --> 00:50:52,839
Speaker 3: you to play certain shots and legally you get the ball,

761
00:50:53,640 --> 00:50:56,560
Speaker 3: you know, perhaps you're the whole even on a blind shot.

762
00:50:58,280 --> 00:51:03,399
Speaker 3: I think it's I think those are extremely interesting situations.

763
00:51:03,480 --> 00:51:06,400
Speaker 3: Now you don't want to just overdo it. You know,

764
00:51:07,480 --> 00:51:11,879
Speaker 3: it's bright. So if you from our perspective, if we're

765
00:51:11,960 --> 00:51:14,719
Speaker 3: laying out a hole and the second shot is over

766
00:51:14,800 --> 00:51:17,160
Speaker 3: the hill to a green, you don't see it. We

767
00:51:17,360 --> 00:51:20,440
Speaker 3: will very very seldom lock down the hill where you

768
00:51:20,520 --> 00:51:20,960
Speaker 3: can see it.

769
00:51:24,960 --> 00:51:29,480
Speaker 2: Two hundred yard and longer part threes over eater under.

770
00:51:32,840 --> 00:51:37,000
Speaker 3: I think there was there was a time iny that

771
00:51:40,480 --> 00:51:44,040
Speaker 3: forgetting a little struggling and overrated and rated but either

772
00:51:44,200 --> 00:51:46,200
Speaker 3: be more. Is that a good thing or a bad thing?

773
00:51:47,960 --> 00:51:53,560
Speaker 3: It's we've built a lot along par threes, I guess

774
00:51:53,760 --> 00:51:56,719
Speaker 3: partly because Ben I both grew up on courses that

775
00:51:57,120 --> 00:52:01,279
Speaker 3: had them, you know, usually one really long part three.

776
00:52:01,440 --> 00:52:03,440
Speaker 3: There was there was a belief you read the old

777
00:52:03,480 --> 00:52:07,840
Speaker 3: golf architecture books, there was a belief that that that

778
00:52:08,120 --> 00:52:10,680
Speaker 3: was a part of the game. Your ability to play

779
00:52:10,760 --> 00:52:15,800
Speaker 3: a wooden shot into a part three in order to

780
00:52:15,960 --> 00:52:20,200
Speaker 3: exhibit that skill, the accuracy as well as the distance

781
00:52:20,719 --> 00:52:24,640
Speaker 3: into you know, into a part three was a significant

782
00:52:24,680 --> 00:52:28,719
Speaker 3: part of the game. I think it's harder to do

783
00:52:29,520 --> 00:52:33,719
Speaker 3: these days because the distance the ball goes and everything.

784
00:52:34,040 --> 00:52:37,680
Speaker 3: You know, it used to be a two hundred and

785
00:52:37,760 --> 00:52:41,160
Speaker 3: fifteen or twenty yard hole. It's just extraordinarily long. And

786
00:52:42,080 --> 00:52:44,600
Speaker 3: it was it was a wood shot, yeah, you know,

787
00:52:45,000 --> 00:52:50,640
Speaker 3: and now it's a same yeah. And so we go, really,

788
00:52:50,880 --> 00:52:53,319
Speaker 3: so we're gonna build two hundred and eighty yard part three,

789
00:52:53,760 --> 00:52:57,399
Speaker 3: We're gonna build three hundred yard Part three. That's when

790
00:52:57,480 --> 00:53:01,960
Speaker 3: I think it starts to get I start to question.

791
00:53:02,520 --> 00:53:06,080
Speaker 3: So I think that the change in the distance the

792
00:53:06,200 --> 00:53:10,080
Speaker 3: ball goes has changed that equation dramatically.

793
00:53:11,200 --> 00:53:15,440
Speaker 2: Yeah. I was reading Donald when I goes Downal Ross's book.

794
00:53:17,120 --> 00:53:20,880
Speaker 5: And yeah, there's a quote that was like the skill

795
00:53:21,400 --> 00:53:24,960
Speaker 5: the truest test of skill is the long iron game.

796
00:53:25,120 --> 00:53:28,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's so sad that now there.

797
00:53:30,520 --> 00:53:31,200
Speaker 2: Drying to watch.

798
00:53:31,760 --> 00:53:36,080
Speaker 5: Yeah, I've said Dustin Johnson along he had one iron

799
00:53:36,160 --> 00:53:37,680
Speaker 5: shot into the park four.

800
00:53:38,080 --> 00:53:39,799
Speaker 2: Longer than seven iron last year.

801
00:53:40,120 --> 00:53:44,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, the whole year. That's incredible. Yeah, I'm not

802
00:53:44,840 --> 00:53:46,480
Speaker 3: I'm actually not surprised him.

803
00:53:46,719 --> 00:53:46,960
Speaker 5: It was.

804
00:53:48,600 --> 00:53:51,000
Speaker 3: You know, you were talking about the Warren Course in

805
00:53:51,160 --> 00:53:55,120
Speaker 3: under Dame. I was up there about three weeks ago,

806
00:53:55,200 --> 00:54:00,000
Speaker 3: I guess, and we were doing a few little bunkers

807
00:54:00,080 --> 00:54:06,200
Speaker 3: tweets and things for the Senior Open, and they were

808
00:54:06,239 --> 00:54:11,600
Speaker 3: playing a collegiate tournament there that day, and there were

809
00:54:11,640 --> 00:54:14,279
Speaker 3: some good, good teams there, but it wasn't like the

810
00:54:14,400 --> 00:54:18,640
Speaker 3: best college teams in America. And yet I was just

811
00:54:18,840 --> 00:54:22,840
Speaker 3: fascinating watching some of these young guys. I mean you

812
00:54:23,120 --> 00:54:27,200
Speaker 3: just one after another after another after another, they were

813
00:54:27,320 --> 00:54:29,880
Speaker 3: hitting the ball. I happened to know how far they

814
00:54:29,920 --> 00:54:32,040
Speaker 3: were hitting because we've been measuring to some of these

815
00:54:32,120 --> 00:54:34,520
Speaker 3: buckers and you'd have to stand there and wait from

816
00:54:34,600 --> 00:54:38,200
Speaker 3: the hit. We were working that particular day, but had

817
00:54:38,239 --> 00:54:40,840
Speaker 3: to wait for them as I just measured everything. They

818
00:54:41,000 --> 00:54:44,000
Speaker 3: hit the ball two ninety five to three zho five

819
00:54:44,520 --> 00:54:48,759
Speaker 3: in the air, in the air and you go, and

820
00:54:48,800 --> 00:54:55,160
Speaker 3: then some of them beyond. But it was like, really, really,

821
00:54:55,800 --> 00:54:58,600
Speaker 3: that's so when you do that, how long do you

822
00:54:58,719 --> 00:55:01,800
Speaker 3: have to make the whole to not have a sevener?

823
00:55:04,080 --> 00:55:07,960
Speaker 5: It's unsustainable. And then the problem is is that the

824
00:55:08,120 --> 00:55:12,000
Speaker 5: distance advantage has gotten so high for the great players

825
00:55:12,520 --> 00:55:16,480
Speaker 5: and it hasn't really gotten that, you know that it

826
00:55:16,600 --> 00:55:18,440
Speaker 5: hasn't equally moved for.

827
00:55:19,000 --> 00:55:22,680
Speaker 2: The regular player. Absolutely.

828
00:55:23,080 --> 00:55:26,920
Speaker 3: One of the golf writers called me late last year

829
00:55:27,400 --> 00:55:31,560
Speaker 3: by Trendy Forrest and he said, they so they're going

830
00:55:31,640 --> 00:55:35,680
Speaker 3: to play the by announcer there next year, I mean

831
00:55:36,000 --> 00:55:40,320
Speaker 3: in the eighteen And he said, so, what have you

832
00:55:40,400 --> 00:55:43,480
Speaker 3: and Ben done to come back the huge advantages of

833
00:55:43,840 --> 00:55:48,680
Speaker 3: the players have today in the distance. And I know

834
00:55:48,920 --> 00:55:52,799
Speaker 3: the man thought I was just being Maybe he thought

835
00:55:52,800 --> 00:55:55,920
Speaker 3: I was being disrespectful. I thought I wasn't. But I

836
00:55:56,080 --> 00:55:58,840
Speaker 3: just will in generally made the course shorter and wider,

837
00:56:00,800 --> 00:56:05,160
Speaker 3: and there's just this pause on his What I said,

838
00:56:06,200 --> 00:56:10,440
Speaker 3: I said, don't mean that the sound probably is probably

839
00:56:10,680 --> 00:56:14,239
Speaker 3: the way it probably came across, I said, But it's true,

840
00:56:15,080 --> 00:56:18,160
Speaker 3: I said. We haven't worried about land We haven't tried

841
00:56:18,200 --> 00:56:19,880
Speaker 3: to make the holes. I said, First of all, it's

842
00:56:19,880 --> 00:56:23,960
Speaker 3: on one hundred and forty acres training for Here's it's

843
00:56:24,000 --> 00:56:26,040
Speaker 3: on the landfill. You can't drop off the side of

844
00:56:26,080 --> 00:56:28,520
Speaker 3: the land fell. You just you come find you can't

845
00:56:28,560 --> 00:56:31,640
Speaker 3: make their holes. You just can't make me longer. So

846
00:56:32,960 --> 00:56:34,360
Speaker 3: we weren't out there trying to. So how do we

847
00:56:34,440 --> 00:56:37,759
Speaker 3: make this longer and longer and longer. We're gonna make

848
00:56:37,800 --> 00:56:42,080
Speaker 3: fairways wide enough to have to choose a line, choose

849
00:56:42,200 --> 00:56:45,120
Speaker 3: the wrong line. The longest players better choose a proper

850
00:56:45,239 --> 00:56:48,160
Speaker 3: line or they will go through the fairway into something

851
00:56:48,239 --> 00:56:52,120
Speaker 3: they maybe I like. So they have to choose the lines.

852
00:56:52,719 --> 00:56:57,680
Speaker 3: And then that's what we're adding with. And then even

853
00:56:57,760 --> 00:57:02,480
Speaker 3: a little bit short because generally speaking, the guys, the

854
00:57:02,560 --> 00:57:06,319
Speaker 3: guys seem to struggle the most with distance control. It's

855
00:57:06,400 --> 00:57:11,200
Speaker 3: not can you hit it far enough over something everybody

856
00:57:11,280 --> 00:57:16,680
Speaker 3: can do that. Can you hit it precisely enough someplace

857
00:57:16,960 --> 00:57:20,840
Speaker 3: and with the contours of the greens, being such that

858
00:57:21,000 --> 00:57:23,840
Speaker 3: you need to land your ball properly, either short of

859
00:57:23,920 --> 00:57:27,600
Speaker 3: a contour or over a contour or that sort of

860
00:57:27,680 --> 00:57:31,040
Speaker 3: thing with if the if the turf is firm, then

861
00:57:32,040 --> 00:57:35,160
Speaker 3: we feel like that's that's that's what we're doing. It

862
00:57:35,280 --> 00:57:38,080
Speaker 3: also provides interest for the members and your guests. But

863
00:57:38,640 --> 00:57:42,560
Speaker 3: you know we're we're not up. First of all, we

864
00:57:42,640 --> 00:57:46,880
Speaker 3: don't really do tournament courses, but we do courses that

865
00:57:47,360 --> 00:57:51,840
Speaker 3: sometimes they play tournaments on, and so we'll see.

866
00:57:52,720 --> 00:57:54,800
Speaker 2: Reminds me that Aholt Sandhills.

867
00:57:55,440 --> 00:57:59,200
Speaker 5: I think the pin was right about the Bombers Alliance

868
00:57:59,280 --> 00:58:02,760
Speaker 5: not free for those the short part four and I

869
00:58:02,880 --> 00:58:05,280
Speaker 5: hit a drive the first time around of the day

870
00:58:05,880 --> 00:58:07,600
Speaker 5: right down the middle, smoked.

871
00:58:07,760 --> 00:58:10,120
Speaker 2: I had like thirty yards in it and I stood

872
00:58:10,160 --> 00:58:15,800
Speaker 2: there and I was like, I'm in the very worst spot. Yeah, absolutely,

873
00:58:16,120 --> 00:58:19,200
Speaker 2: thirty yards right down the middle. And that's the last

874
00:58:19,200 --> 00:58:21,440
Speaker 2: time around. I made sure to hit it as far

875
00:58:21,760 --> 00:58:25,120
Speaker 2: left or I went left as far left as I

876
00:58:25,200 --> 00:58:28,360
Speaker 2: could with the driver so I could have an angle in.

877
00:58:28,920 --> 00:58:32,120
Speaker 2: And that's gonna be the fascinating thing about watching it.

878
00:58:32,960 --> 00:58:36,840
Speaker 5: It's gonna be a completely different style off. So last

879
00:58:37,000 --> 00:58:38,320
Speaker 5: overrated under ade.

880
00:58:38,520 --> 00:58:41,520
Speaker 2: Get hit out of here. I gotta get home tonight.

881
00:58:43,200 --> 00:58:50,160
Speaker 2: Pedal Beach, I.

882
00:58:52,760 --> 00:58:57,520
Speaker 3: Don't. I don't know, Andy, how a huge amn Pedal Steach,

883
00:58:57,640 --> 00:59:03,320
Speaker 3: I don't do. I think it's the best golf course

884
00:59:03,320 --> 00:59:07,600
Speaker 3: I've ever seen in the world. No. Is it extremely interesting? Yes?

885
00:59:08,040 --> 00:59:11,040
Speaker 3: Is it extremely inspiring? Yes?

886
00:59:11,440 --> 00:59:11,560
Speaker 5: Uh.

887
00:59:12,880 --> 00:59:15,400
Speaker 3: I guess in that case, I would almost have to

888
00:59:15,480 --> 00:59:19,120
Speaker 3: look at an individual ranking. That's I think it's o

889
00:59:19,320 --> 00:59:23,040
Speaker 3: rat or underrated to see, but just to just pick

890
00:59:23,120 --> 00:59:31,480
Speaker 3: it in general out there, I don't know. Yeah, yeah,

891
00:59:31,760 --> 00:59:38,320
Speaker 3: so I would, I would see generally it's probably underrated.

892
00:59:39,800 --> 00:59:41,000
Speaker 3: That's a lie.

893
00:59:42,240 --> 00:59:49,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, exactly exactly. I think you see the whole

894
00:59:49,720 --> 00:59:50,720
Speaker 2: photos in that place.

895
00:59:51,080 --> 00:59:57,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's it's you know, I mean, am I

896
00:59:57,360 --> 01:00:03,120
Speaker 3: partial discipherus point? Yes, you know it's But that doesn't

897
01:00:03,200 --> 01:00:06,920
Speaker 3: mean that I don't think Pebble Beach is not extraordinary.

898
01:00:07,280 --> 01:00:12,480
Speaker 3: What about positive? I've never seen positive. Yeah, I've never

899
01:00:12,560 --> 01:00:16,720
Speaker 3: seen it, so I had no No, I've seen photographs

900
01:00:16,760 --> 01:00:19,240
Speaker 3: of it, you know, early on and then later after

901
01:00:19,440 --> 01:00:21,919
Speaker 3: Jim or being in tom Dog and work there.

902
01:00:22,680 --> 01:00:26,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was there last week. It's the latest corpse.

903
01:00:26,240 --> 01:00:28,960
Speaker 2: That's you know, just stuck in my head.

904
01:00:29,080 --> 01:00:33,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what. Yeah, it's real. I can't imagine. It's

905
01:00:33,480 --> 01:00:35,600
Speaker 3: not really good since Mackenzie lived there.

906
01:00:36,280 --> 01:00:40,280
Speaker 5: It's it's the bad eyes something else. And you know,

907
01:00:40,920 --> 01:00:43,760
Speaker 5: you look at that and it's they afforded one thousand

908
01:00:43,840 --> 01:00:48,040
Speaker 5: rounds a year. So there's certain things there that And

909
01:00:48,240 --> 01:00:50,280
Speaker 5: I think this is always something that gets lost, is

910
01:00:50,360 --> 01:00:52,560
Speaker 5: that certain places can't.

911
01:00:52,440 --> 01:00:54,160
Speaker 3: Be what other places are.

912
01:00:54,400 --> 01:00:57,360
Speaker 2: And it doesn't mean that they're worse. That just means

913
01:00:57,960 --> 01:01:01,240
Speaker 2: that this is a issue. But if you took that club,

914
01:01:01,440 --> 01:01:02,920
Speaker 2: that course and with a ten.

915
01:01:02,800 --> 01:01:07,200
Speaker 5: Thousand round exclusive club and you could, I mean, it

916
01:01:07,320 --> 01:01:09,360
Speaker 5: would be out of this world.

917
01:01:10,160 --> 01:01:12,280
Speaker 3: But it is so good everybody.

918
01:01:12,360 --> 01:01:14,560
Speaker 2: I mean, I love the model that they had.

919
01:01:14,440 --> 01:01:16,800
Speaker 3: There too in terms of blood.

920
01:01:17,040 --> 01:01:19,320
Speaker 2: But yeah, enough, you gotta go.

921
01:01:20,760 --> 01:01:24,439
Speaker 3: Yeah at some point, got some point.

922
01:01:24,680 --> 01:01:28,200
Speaker 2: But thanks so much for the fact this was You're welcome.

923
01:01:28,920 --> 01:01:33,960
Speaker 3: Thanks for having me. Yeah, thanks for enduring the brutal

924
01:01:34,080 --> 01:01:35,240
Speaker 3: cold today.

925
01:01:35,920 --> 01:01:36,360
Speaker 2: That was it.

926
01:01:36,560 --> 01:01:39,000
Speaker 3: And for walking around the park three cards. That was fun.

927
01:01:39,280 --> 01:01:41,919
Speaker 2: That was enduring cold. That was fun.

928
01:01:42,680 --> 01:01:47,439
Speaker 3: So thanks again, Okay, very well until next time.

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