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Speaker 1: Andy Johnason. Today I am joined by a couple of
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Speaker 1: van Valkenberg and Joseph Lamannia as we do every month.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 1: Today we are going to be talking about what I
Speaker 1: think will be the hot topic in golf in the
Speaker 1: coming weeks. The schedule moving forward. I think there have
Speaker 1: been a lot of rumors about what it might be,
Speaker 1: and you know, kind of the big through line of
Speaker 1: all the rumors, it's gonna be a lot smaller. It's
Speaker 1: gonna be a condensed schedule. There are a lot of
Speaker 1: rumors about when it might start. It seems like we're
Speaker 1: speeding towards a February to August PGA Tour schedule. Fewer events,
Speaker 1: more selective, you know, fewer players exempt into these fields.
Speaker 1: So I'm going to talk with Kevin and Joseph about
Speaker 1: this and kind of what we would like to see
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Speaker 3: Boys, how are we any fantastic?
Speaker 2: I'm excited. I actually love this topic. So it feels
Speaker 2: like a huge news coming over the next couple of weeks.
Speaker 2: It feels timely.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so this is I think this is a little precursor.
Speaker 1: I think next week we get the players next week
Speaker 1: or two next week, and it will be I think
Speaker 1: dominated by Brian Rollapse kind of press conference. He'll be
Speaker 1: his first one as a commissioner. And from you know,
Speaker 1: intel that I've gathered over the last few weeks from
Speaker 1: numerous people, I think a seismic schedule change is coming.
Speaker 1: I don't think this is any groundbreaking news to golf fans.
Speaker 1: I do think there are some some details in here
Speaker 1: that I'm just kinda gonna, you know, lay down what
Speaker 1: I've heard from a variety of sources of where this
Speaker 1: thing's going. And I think it's interesting. Everybody's been kind
Speaker 1: of battened around the scarcity schedule. I think there's going
Speaker 1: to be a, yes, a scarcity schedule, but it's also
Speaker 1: going to be a golf calendar that looks and feels
Speaker 1: similar to what it looks and feels like now. I
Speaker 1: don't think there's a huge seismic change coming when you
Speaker 1: see it in practice, we're i think speeding towards a
Speaker 1: tour that's like one hundred to one hundred and twenty
Speaker 1: players exempt. There will be you know, roughly twenty to
Speaker 1: twenty five events a year that PGA Tour runs on
Speaker 1: this top tier schedule. The way it would fill in
Speaker 1: outside of that would look a lot like Fall Series events,
Speaker 1: So that would be the type of event I think,
Speaker 1: like currently there's a misconception that it would like all
Speaker 1: the players that don't qualify for this upper tier tour
Speaker 1: will just go into Corn Fairy Tour and they'll be
Speaker 1: playing for Corn fairy tour purses. I don't think that's
Speaker 1: true at all. I think it'll be more in the
Speaker 1: four to six million dollar person, which I think is
Speaker 1: plenty of money to live for these guys. I think,
Speaker 1: you know, the big thing will be that they're I
Speaker 1: think that the attempt right now and we'll see where
Speaker 1: it gets to, is like a no exemption tour. You're
Speaker 1: you're either up or you're down, and that should be
Speaker 1: I think personally, if you if you want golf to
Speaker 1: be a meritocracy, as the tour often likes to puff
Speaker 1: his chests out that they're this great meritocracy, the truth
Speaker 1: is they aren't really a true meritocracy. But if they
Speaker 1: went this direction, it would be a meritocracy. So there'd
Speaker 1: be you know, roughly like twenty to thirty players churned
Speaker 1: up and down per year, and that's the way it
Speaker 1: would work. It would be like a single churn year.
Speaker 1: I think the one of the big emphasises of this
Speaker 1: schedule will be market media markets. I don't think this
Speaker 1: is a surprise with with the with Brian roll app
Speaker 1: and coming from the NFL, I think he understands that
Speaker 1: you need to play your sport in the in the
Speaker 1: biggest media markets possible. So you know, I think for
Speaker 1: this exercise, what we're going to kind of kick around
Speaker 1: is events that we like to see make this schedule.
Speaker 1: But let's start with the idea of obviously we're going
Speaker 1: to have the players in this schedule. The players is
Speaker 1: going to exist. The other thing that's going to happen
Speaker 1: is they are going there are going to be events
Speaker 1: in in the likes of New York, Chicago, Los Angeles.
Speaker 1: Those are definite cities that will have events. So I'm
Speaker 1: just going to take riv off the table. But then
Speaker 1: I'm going to also say that New York and Chicago
Speaker 1: will have events. There's likely going to be like a
Speaker 1: Boston event, uh maybe splits between two cities at one point,
Speaker 1: so you know that will be another event. But these
Speaker 1: these starved media markets, massive media markets that for incomprehensible
Speaker 1: reasons for the last ten years, haven't had regular events,
Speaker 1: whether it's Chicago, New York, Boston, Philadelphia, Washington, d C.
Speaker 1: They they are coming. Those are going to be events.
Speaker 1: And I think that like when you do the math
Speaker 1: on that, all of a sudden you're set with like
Speaker 1: probably five to six events that are going to be
Speaker 1: of these twenty and I think it's fascinating to talk
Speaker 1: about where the things go. I was speaking with a
Speaker 1: gentleman this week, this past week in Florida, who who
Speaker 1: who had looked into a tour sponsorship, and he was
Speaker 1: telling me, listen, like, the thing about it, you know,
Speaker 1: is you don't you don't even get a certainty at
Speaker 1: this point that your your event is going to stay
Speaker 1: in the market that you sign up for. So what
Speaker 1: that told me is the tour is ready to really
Speaker 1: change this to extreme measures where you know, a tour
Speaker 1: sponsor could sign up for an event, have it be
Speaker 1: their home base or whatever it may be, and then
Speaker 1: have that event change markets one year into the contract. Right,
Speaker 1: So I do think this is this is the direction
Speaker 1: it's heading. I think, you know, obviously some stuff that's
Speaker 1: been floated around various reporting. I know Amon Lynch has
Speaker 1: reported on this. The tour is looking at a schedule
Speaker 1: start around around February. But I wanted to get your
Speaker 1: guys as insight. Kind of the directive I gave you
Speaker 1: guys has come with the three events that you are
Speaker 1: going to stand on the table and bang your fists
Speaker 1: against the desk saying these must be a part of
Speaker 1: the schedule and we could kind of just jump off
Speaker 1: from there.
Speaker 3: All right, Joseph, I have got one that I'm ready
Speaker 3: to fire up, that I'm ready to kick off.
Speaker 2: If you're going to be upset if you take mine,
Speaker 2: go ahead.
Speaker 3: Okay. There's a lot of talk about that this tour
Speaker 3: should start at the WM in Phoenix. I disagree with this.
Speaker 3: I want us to go back to Hawaii and back
Speaker 3: to the Plantation Course. But here's my catch. I want
Speaker 3: a thirty six person field. I want two days of
Speaker 3: stroke play and then match play that goes down from
Speaker 3: a field of sixteen. All right, the winner of the
Speaker 3: FedEx Cup, the winner of the Players, and the winner
Speaker 3: of the four Majors are given an auto spot into
Speaker 3: match play, so the other ten guys are playing for seeds.
Speaker 3: This way, we still get to start the tour in Hawaii.
Speaker 3: We only have thirty six guys there, so you can
Speaker 3: basically take winners from last year. You can sort of
Speaker 3: fit in that, and we get an element of match play.
Speaker 3: It's a little bit easier sort of begin to the
Speaker 3: grinding season. We don't have to worry about shooting thirty
Speaker 3: under at the Plantation Course. Anymore. We still get an
Speaker 3: iconic course that is part of the tour's recent history,
Speaker 3: but we get to have match play, and the likelihood
Speaker 3: of Scotty, of Rory or whoever making it to the
Speaker 3: finals is increased by the fact that they're basically getting
Speaker 3: a bid into already through the stroke play. I feel
Speaker 3: like this is a great way to look at this.
Speaker 3: The real season probably hasn't truly started yet, but it's
Speaker 3: still more of a relaxed atmosphere. You're not playing a
Speaker 3: full eighteen every day. I feel like this is a
Speaker 3: great way to hold on to a piece of the
Speaker 3: tour's history and maintain some element of match play before
Speaker 3: your actual stroke play season begins.
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm not a post to what I was
Speaker 2: going to lead with, so I guess we're just gonna
Speaker 2: start with the argument here. Please, you've already alluded to it.
Speaker 2: I think waste management has never made more sense to
Speaker 2: kick off the season, and I think they have done
Speaker 2: everything well save for the event getting a little out
Speaker 2: of hand a couple of years ago. But how well
Speaker 2: the waste management works with a strong field the party element,
Speaker 2: I think it works incredibly well in its current date
Speaker 2: of the Super Bowl, a star studded field with every
Speaker 2: top player on the PGA Tour at Waste Management, I
Speaker 2: think would be one of the biggest spectacles in sport,
Speaker 2: and to me feels like the clear starting point for
Speaker 2: the year. I don't reject entirely your idea, Kevin, like
Speaker 2: I think there are people who have valid critiques of
Speaker 2: match play from the owgr standpoint, from how compelling is Sunday,
Speaker 2: from all of the how do you assign FedEx's cut points,
Speaker 2: and that stuff shouldn't get in the way of putting
Speaker 2: on a great event. So I'm with you to an extent,
Speaker 2: but I would if I were a commissioner of the
Speaker 2: PGA Tour Waste Management Phoenix Open is starting the season,
Speaker 2: I think it would be truly one of the coolest
Speaker 2: events in all of golf.
Speaker 3: I don't disagree with that. I also just think that
Speaker 3: Hawaii could be kind of like a silly season kickoff.
Speaker 3: Have a skills challenge on Tuesday. There's only thirty six
Speaker 3: guys there, make it sort of light and fun. Everybody
Speaker 3: has to kind of participate in the media elements of
Speaker 3: it make there be like a you know, a fun
Speaker 3: kind of you know kind of what they did with
Speaker 3: this skills challenge of the Trump Course recently. Whatever the
Speaker 3: optim the Golf Games whatever, do that on like a
Speaker 3: Monday Tuesday. Then go into that and honestly, if you
Speaker 3: don't want to, like make it what the hero should be,
Speaker 3: which is like no OGBR points should be awarded. This
Speaker 3: is just a kind of a casual, fun kickoff to
Speaker 3: the tour's season.
Speaker 1: K I throw another idea out there with yours. I
Speaker 1: do like this event construct. I think it's really cool.
Speaker 1: It reminds me a little bit of they used to
Speaker 1: do the golf I think it was called the Grand
Speaker 1: Slam at the end of the year or it was
Speaker 1: like and it would be all the major winners would
Speaker 1: play effectively, Like I think that format was skins game
Speaker 1: or something like that. At course, I feel like it
Speaker 1: was in Hawaii at one point. I'm trying to recall
Speaker 1: childhood memories of watching that. What if this event occurred
Speaker 1: after the playoffs, like at the end of the year
Speaker 1: where it's the top thirty or whatever it's that, and
Speaker 1: what if that was like actually the closing event of
Speaker 1: the PGA Tour calendar where you get invited into this
Speaker 1: and there's a big Kittie. There's a skills competition and
Speaker 1: it's a coronation that being the closing event in August
Speaker 1: in Hawaii where you're then playing. You're able to set
Speaker 1: this TV this TV calendar, like you think about making
Speaker 1: a spectacle from television. You get your probably most most
Speaker 1: desirable television locale in terms of the setting, with like
Speaker 1: the greatest TV window. You could have this thing rocking
Speaker 1: and roll until eleven o'clock Eastern with no daylight concerns.
Speaker 1: And that's the way you set it up. You set
Speaker 1: it up at the back. Then you get this ability
Speaker 1: to start the season where you want to start it
Speaker 1: with with with with Scottsdale. I want to point out
Speaker 1: one thing I forgot to mention here with the schedule
Speaker 1: is like the way it would work from what I
Speaker 1: gather potentially is every event's worth the same. And if
Speaker 1: you're on this tour, you can set your schedule however
Speaker 1: you want. But if you skip, you get no points
Speaker 1: and there's no exemptions and there's no golden parachute. You know,
Speaker 1: it's set your schedule as you wish, but just know
Speaker 1: there's no coming back if you don't make it.
Speaker 3: You know, I don't hate that at all. I think
Speaker 3: that's why you have to choose. You know, you have
Speaker 3: to sort of strategize what you want, and sometimes guys
Speaker 3: are I mean, that's like the NFL playoffs. Every freaking
Speaker 3: game matters, doesn't matter if you get up for some
Speaker 3: games and down for others, Like it's it's a week
Speaker 3: to week. You gotta win all the things. So I
Speaker 3: like that idea. Make them make some of the stars
Speaker 3: go to courses where they think, you know, they could
Speaker 3: pick up points. Make some guys go to John Deere
Speaker 3: or whatever. If that's still gonna exist.
Speaker 1: I'm going to uh, I'm I didn't think I was
Speaker 1: going to do this. A week ago, I would have said,
Speaker 1: dissolved this event. I do think that the Honda Classic
Speaker 1: WOW should exist. I think South Florida. Yeah, and you
Speaker 1: can rotate it between a variety of courses. But if
Speaker 1: you're talking about starting the season in February, you're and
Speaker 1: they're talking about ending the season in August, you need
Speaker 1: a lot of venues that could host events in February, March, April,
Speaker 1: and that that limits where you can host. And as
Speaker 1: we've laid out, you know, with New York Chicago likely
Speaker 1: getting likely gang event, and there is it seems like
Speaker 1: desire to move Pebble and Riviera to a date that's
Speaker 1: better for the you know, the golf courses and when
Speaker 1: you're showing them, you need a South Florida event. You know,
Speaker 1: maybe it's not the Miami Championship or whatever they're calling
Speaker 1: the one that's going to trump derail, but like one
Speaker 1: South Florida event I think played in February. February slash
Speaker 1: early March. That is an awesome event because you get
Speaker 1: to see these guys go down and play in tough conditions.
Speaker 1: You know, Scott steals a dome if you kept am
Speaker 1: a Palm Desert on the schedule, which you might have
Speaker 1: to to accommodate this structure that they're looking to do.
Speaker 1: That's mostly a dome. I think guys playing, especially with
Speaker 1: the modern equipment setup, guys playing in really harsh environments
Speaker 1: and in South Florida is delightful that time of year.
Speaker 1: But it's just that win can be just a beast
Speaker 1: and there's something about that wind. It's it's similar to
Speaker 1: when you play in in the UK. It's just a
Speaker 1: wind that's heavy. It impacts the ball more often and
Speaker 1: I didn't. I didn't know I was gonna get to here.
Speaker 1: But watching Shane Lowry just completely self destruct down the
Speaker 1: stretch of the bear Trap a moniker, I dislike a
Speaker 1: golf course I would never want to go play myself.
Speaker 1: There's something about water, litter, lited, littered golf courses with
Speaker 1: heavy winds that I've found myself fond of. That there's
Speaker 1: there's fear, and that that felt like for me the
Speaker 1: first time these guys have been really tested, uh in
Speaker 1: a while. In a while on the PGH tour schedules.
Speaker 2: One thing you're kind of hitting on that I'm fascinated
Speaker 2: by that is the least of the tours. There's no
Speaker 2: chance Brian roll out. This is a priority for him.
Speaker 2: But as the schedule changes, like are the players who
Speaker 2: succeed on the PGA Tour going to change? Like for example,
Speaker 2: And I don't know that they're actually moving the West
Speaker 2: Coast to the playoffs, as that's sort of been rumored,
Speaker 2: Like I don't know how realistic it is to move
Speaker 2: Riviera Toy, but let's just say the West Coast swing
Speaker 2: kind of got moved towards the playoffs or later in
Speaker 2: the season. Only the top players ended up making it there,
Speaker 2: Like would you remove some of those guys who rely
Speaker 2: on the West coast, like the really good POA hutters.
Speaker 2: They're sort of fringe PGA Tour players, but that's where
Speaker 2: they get their points. Like, more broadly, to your point,
Speaker 2: I think the schedule should reflect a diversity of skill
Speaker 2: set and if you're gonna play in a dome in Phoenix,
Speaker 2: having a water littered test in South Florida also makes
Speaker 2: some sense. And then balance it out. You're gonna have
Speaker 2: other big tournaments. I'm sure we'll get to some of them,
Speaker 2: but it should be a variety of golf courses. And
Speaker 2: if they just go with their premier events and sacrifice
Speaker 2: a little bit of variety, it could have a small
Speaker 2: impact on which players maintain their status on the PGA Tour.
Speaker 2: I don't want to overstate it huge impact, but it's
Speaker 2: just an interesting thing to keep an eye on.
Speaker 1: Listen, I think you're you're hitting off something. The margins
Speaker 1: in golf are so so slim you're talking about, you know,
Speaker 1: especially especially for the fringe players. You know, your your Rory's,
Speaker 1: your Scottie's, your standards. They're gonna you tee it up
Speaker 1: at any golf course they're going to get through. But
Speaker 1: I do think you're you're spot on with like certain
Speaker 1: golf courses, like this is a good you know, the
Speaker 1: week of this podcast is bay Hill. Bay Hill, you
Speaker 1: hit like six or seven two hundred plus yard approach shots.
Speaker 1: It's the most heavy long iron course and on the
Speaker 1: PGA Tour calendar, and thus this week illuminates a skill
Speaker 1: that's not often illuminated at most PGA Tour courses. That's good.
Speaker 1: I would think about this, you know, in terms of
Speaker 1: golf courses, and I don't, you know, personally, and this is,
Speaker 1: you know, very much a personal opinion. I don't. I
Speaker 1: don't think the PGA Tour has people that really understand
Speaker 1: golf courses at a deep level. I think there are
Speaker 1: a lot of people that have worked their way up
Speaker 1: corporate ranks, and you know, I think the the overall
Speaker 1: golf IQ and the people that make the decisions about
Speaker 1: golf at the PGA Tour HQ is is very low
Speaker 1: and frighteningly low. But something they should be contemplating is
Speaker 1: how does our venue selection impact what skills thrive and
Speaker 1: what players thrive. And I think there's some courses everybody
Speaker 1: always points to Harbortown as a course that's you know,
Speaker 1: atypical than the PGA Tour set up. But they should
Speaker 1: be building a calendar and they should be branding courses
Speaker 1: with like I mean, there should be such a more
Speaker 1: robust discussion on the on the front end of events
Speaker 1: about how they are setting up the golf course, how
Speaker 1: the golf course sets up for different types of players
Speaker 1: and thinking about it. I think that like F one
Speaker 1: is a good example of you know, there's a lot
Speaker 1: of discussion about what the track will do and what
Speaker 1: type of drivers and skills are rewarded. And I think
Speaker 1: it exists in the gambling community with golf. But the
Speaker 1: PGA Tour should you set up as this huge thing
Speaker 1: and you know right now you know the I think
Speaker 1: the PGA Tour setup can be characterized as they want
Speaker 1: every every event to feel like a Marriott. And what
Speaker 1: I mean by that is when you check in at
Speaker 1: a Marriott, you know exactly what you're getting and it's
Speaker 1: like a comfy place for the players because they know, Hey,
Speaker 1: I just left Phoenix, I'm going to Pebble. You know,
Speaker 1: I know what I'm gonna For the most part, expect
Speaker 1: this week the green speeds are going to be X.
Speaker 1: The type of sand at the golf course is this
Speaker 1: is the same. You know, the te locations. They aren't
Speaker 1: going to move these te's around very much throughout the event.
Speaker 1: Where they put them, that's where they're going to be
Speaker 1: all week. Course set up, the ideology behind course setup
Speaker 1: should be so much more because at the end of
Speaker 1: the day, course setup is the defense. That is the defense,
Speaker 1: that is the foil to great play. And right now
Speaker 1: it's not even a part of the storylines of a
Speaker 1: PGA Tour event. In fact, the ideology at the PGA
Speaker 1: Tours that course setup should never be a discussion point
Speaker 1: an event. They've failed a course setup. If the course
Speaker 1: ever becomes a storyline at a PGA Tour event, and that,
Speaker 1: I mean, that is just flat out like ass backwards.
Speaker 3: So I think that gets into one of my next
Speaker 3: points is I think that they should stop putting the
Speaker 3: bad not the bad tournaments, the lesser tournaments in front
Speaker 3: of majors. You don't control the majors. That's an understandable
Speaker 3: part of the PGA Tour. But like for example, I
Speaker 3: think heritage should be in front of the masters instead
Speaker 3: of behind it, like heritage is one of your I
Speaker 3: don't care about, like it doesn't suit it. The same thing,
Speaker 3: Oh you can't hit drivers there or whatever, tough shit
Speaker 3: like part of Like that's a good course that tests people.
Speaker 3: You should want to like build interests and so it's
Speaker 3: peaking into majors. That's only going to benefit your product
Speaker 3: even more if people come out of your event being excited.
Speaker 3: So I think like, if you're gonna keep like the
Speaker 3: truest around, I would bump the players back to May
Speaker 3: and I would put like Quile Hollow right in front
Speaker 3: of that. That's gonna be one of your signature things.
Speaker 3: Have that lead into the players. I would put like,
Speaker 3: you know, a good Canadian Open course, like have that
Speaker 3: build into the US Open in June. We all know
Speaker 3: the Genesis like builds into the Open Championship. And then
Speaker 3: I think, like in going, if you're gonna put you know,
Speaker 3: tournaments for the this is like my my big galaxy
Speaker 3: brain take.
Speaker 1: We got to do away with.
Speaker 3: East Lakes, like the stop of the Church Championship.
Speaker 1: We have to rotate this, this is coming to an end.
Speaker 3: We have to rotate that into better courses, and they
Speaker 3: should be priority wise. Big city courses. I think like
Speaker 3: we just have the have there be like several crescendos
Speaker 3: throughout the season, and be trying to build to those
Speaker 3: each each time we're getting there.
Speaker 1: I think you hit on something super important here, and
Speaker 1: maybe I'll reveal my next course, my next idea thing
Speaker 1: I must have here. I do operate a golf website
Speaker 1: in various golf podcasts where we're able to track numbers,
Speaker 1: and as you hit on golf, interest is very high
Speaker 1: the week before a major and much smaller the Thursday
Speaker 1: through Sunday the week after a major. This is air,
Speaker 1: but unless unless our company is a comp outlier of
Speaker 1: every other golf So, I think you have hit on
Speaker 1: an important pack point here. And you know I had
Speaker 1: different events written down as my mustabs here, but you've
Speaker 1: swayed me my number two must have event. I want Atlanta,
Speaker 1: I want east Lake, but I want it the week
Speaker 1: before the Masters. Silently, yeah, you play Atlanta. You play
Speaker 1: That's a big golf course. It's you know, you can
Speaker 1: hit a lot of different shots, like there's not it's
Speaker 1: not impeding you from playing the way you'd like to play.
Speaker 1: They could set up the they could get that, you know,
Speaker 1: it's in a part of the country where you could
Speaker 1: go to the Overseed to mimic the conditions allah the
Speaker 1: Houston Open years ago. Massive media market obviously, and then
Speaker 1: you're making it really easy for your players. It's like, Okay,
Speaker 1: you're done Sunday. You got just a drive over, drive
Speaker 1: over to Augusta and and you start your you start
Speaker 1: your Master's week that way. I think that's a slam.
Speaker 1: Atlanta in August makes no sense, none whatsoever, other than
Speaker 1: for the corporate reasons that you have wound yourself into.
Speaker 1: I think the event east Like will play a lot
Speaker 1: better in April, and the event will be much better received.
Speaker 1: There won't be this angst about it being the season
Speaker 1: ending event in August in Atlanta. It'll be a god.
Speaker 1: I can't wait for the for the Masters, and it's
Speaker 1: so cool that they're just you know, they go from
Speaker 1: Atlanta to Augusta. So I did not expect myself to
Speaker 1: have this, but I'm starting to slaugh our schedule by
Speaker 1: the way I've got east Lake here and ahead of
Speaker 1: the ahead of the Masters.
Speaker 2: I think you guys are hitting on I don't believe
Speaker 2: there's a right answer to what kind of course you
Speaker 2: should play the week before a major. But so if
Speaker 2: you were gonna go through from FEBUS through the end
Speaker 2: of August, I believe that it's thirty weeks ish. We're
Speaker 2: talking about like a twenty two event schedule, so you're
Speaker 2: gonna have eight off weeks where they decide to slot
Speaker 2: those is probably the most interesting element to me. Like,
Speaker 2: I don't know that I agree that you should have
Speaker 2: a super difficult test leading right into a difficult major.
Speaker 2: Like Scotty has talked about Memorial taking a lot out
Speaker 2: of him. Was that two years ago and that that
Speaker 2: kind of impacted him in the short run after that tournament.
Speaker 2: So I think there is a place on the schedule
Speaker 2: for some of these lower tiered events like a John
Speaker 2: Deere that has been important to the history of the
Speaker 2: PGA Tour, and if some guys just choose that they
Speaker 2: don't want to play it, they're not skipping out on
Speaker 2: one of your most iconic venues. Like I actually think
Speaker 2: there's a case to be made for sort of a
Speaker 2: soft event the week before a major, but you would
Speaker 2: be sacrificing some of the entertainment value. That said, one
Speaker 2: of my tournaments that I think has to stay not
Speaker 2: maybe does not gonna be a huge shocked, but I
Speaker 2: think Memorial Tournament has to be a waiting for that.
Speaker 1: It does.
Speaker 2: It needs to be a part of the PGA Tour schedule,
Speaker 2: not only because it's one of the best tests that
Speaker 2: they play all year, but I think keeping the legacy
Speaker 2: of some of their best players of all time, whether
Speaker 2: it's through the Arnold Palmer Invitational, which I would imagine
Speaker 2: we'll find a place on the schedule, through Jack's event,
Speaker 2: Tiger taking the Genesis under his wing, Like I'm curious
Speaker 2: to see if Rory will end up with an event
Speaker 2: when all is said and done. Like, I think it's
Speaker 2: really important to stay anchored to your legends of the game.
Speaker 2: So as far as I'm concerned, Memorial absolutely belongs on
Speaker 2: the schedule. And maybe that's like two weeks before the
Speaker 2: US Open, you go, like Memorial John Deere into the
Speaker 2: US Open, some kind of cadence like that, but that
Speaker 2: event needs to be on the schedule.
Speaker 3: I had Memorial Canadian Open then US Open just so,
Speaker 3: but I think that's sort of I think it's important
Speaker 3: to sort of throw Canada bone continue to have that
Speaker 3: be a part of there's a lot of golfers in Canada,
Speaker 3: like I would love to play it at better courses.
Speaker 3: I had said, like Toronto is obviously the biggest media
Speaker 3: mark it there. You know, you could play it at
Speaker 3: the you know, the Toronto Golf Club, which is a
Speaker 3: Harry Cult design. You know, if they tear it up,
Speaker 3: so be it. Like that's a different conversation than like,
Speaker 3: you know, whether or not certain cities or certain courses
Speaker 3: should host things. But I will say the only thing
Speaker 3: I'll push back on is I acknowledge that golf is
Speaker 3: different than other sports, and so like Scotti, Scheffer's preference
Speaker 3: might be to have a you know, a nicer, easier
Speaker 3: test and the leading up into a major, But that
Speaker 3: is so like anti ethical to like how other sports work.
Speaker 3: Like Lebron would not be like, well, I just wish,
Speaker 3: like we could get an easy playoff series before, like
Speaker 3: we go and play the Eastern Conference final, Western Conference finals.
Speaker 3: You were like, well, he might say that, but like
Speaker 3: that doesn't really I mean the NFL, like would you know,
Speaker 3: would Patrick Mahomes be like, wow, we just need an
Speaker 3: easy you know, first round game before, Like that's that's
Speaker 3: not you have to fight for your life. That is
Speaker 3: not in the PGA tours like interest to make the
Speaker 3: US open easier for Scottie Scheffler, Like they should be like, yeah, well,
Speaker 3: I see the Memorial is like a little bit of
Speaker 3: a different things. Memorial is tough as hell, but like
Speaker 3: any of the other ones, like I would, I would
Speaker 3: have no issue like plotting those in front of majors
Speaker 3: like it. In some ways, that's that is the PGA
Speaker 3: tour'st job is to like test people the best they
Speaker 3: can and build the interest the best they can. I
Speaker 3: don't think they should be making it easier. They're basically saying, like, well,
Speaker 3: our product is inferior to those majors, so we'll just
Speaker 3: kind of, you know, throw them a bone and let
Speaker 3: them kind of do it as they like.
Speaker 1: I think this is a huge challenge for the tour, right,
Speaker 1: you know it. It is like a great point of Hey, listen,
Speaker 1: we we cannot be we cannot just be this like
Speaker 1: effectively like feeder tour for the majors in a way.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: They everybody's you know, everybody hates the demise of the
Speaker 1: European Tour into the fact that the European Tour is
Speaker 1: now a feeder tour for the PGA Tour. But in
Speaker 1: a way, the PGA Tour right now, in Golf's construct,
Speaker 1: is a means the PGA Tour success is a means
Speaker 1: to qualifying for the majors and qualifying for the Ryder Cup,
Speaker 1: qualifying for the Olympics. All these events are bigger than
Speaker 1: any of the PGA Tour owned properties, which is a
Speaker 1: huge problem for the PGA Tour. And I do think
Speaker 1: like this, this bending a knee. If I was running
Speaker 1: the PGA Tour, I do think the attitude of we
Speaker 1: have to always bend the knee to the majors is
Speaker 1: one that I would push against. Like I'm not saying
Speaker 1: we need to like seismically change things, but we need
Speaker 1: to do the things that are in our best interest
Speaker 1: to build these tournaments, each of these tournaments into valuable
Speaker 1: properties that get close to what the players has become.
Speaker 1: For the PGA Tour, you know, that's what they need.
Speaker 1: They need more events that reach that level. And I think, Joseph,
Speaker 1: you hit a really great point, and I think we
Speaker 1: could just automatically put these into the into the event
Speaker 1: Jack and Arnold. Arnold's events are not going anywhere. Those
Speaker 1: are auto ads. On top of the big markets on
Speaker 1: the PGA Tour, and I just want to point out
Speaker 1: that the schedule is a large at large. If I
Speaker 1: get my South Florida event that I think should happen,
Speaker 1: it's a nice little swing of API the way they
Speaker 1: have it now where you go South Florida API players,
Speaker 1: that's a great little swing. And you have twenty two
Speaker 1: events in thirty weeks. As you illustrate it that you
Speaker 1: need to cram in here. That's a really nice three
Speaker 1: straight week of cadence. And then you take a week off, right.
Speaker 2: It is impossible to figure out if you want to
Speaker 2: do the heard event the week before. I think that
Speaker 2: is the one of the key conflicts the tour has Andy,
Speaker 2: like do you been the knee or do you set
Speaker 2: these guys up for success at a major? Because to
Speaker 2: your point, Kevin, though, like if Scotty decides the best
Speaker 2: prep is to gep the event leading up to a
Speaker 2: major like that, that's also a problem. And I know
Speaker 2: people are probably I think these guys are pampered, but
Speaker 2: it is physically exhausting to play four days of a
Speaker 2: very difficult golf course, turn around, fly to a major
Speaker 2: and get prepped like I actually do think that's asking
Speaker 2: a lot of some of these guys, so I would
Speaker 2: push back a little bit. But that's where I'm kind
Speaker 2: of like, there's not a perfect answer. It is a
Speaker 2: series of trade offs, and in this case, I honestly
Speaker 2: would probably air on the side of giving them a
Speaker 2: little bit of a softer test leading to a major.
Speaker 3: So here's what I would say. Here's a little bit
Speaker 3: of a split in the two things. In solution. I
Speaker 3: think that the PGA Championship should move back to August, right.
Speaker 3: I think we're all kind of in agreement with that.
Speaker 3: More venues, whatever have it.
Speaker 1: On my mock schedule that I'm creating from this discussion
Speaker 1: in August, I think that is something that is going
Speaker 1: to happen once this calendar comes out.
Speaker 3: So let's obviously Open Championship's not gonna move, It's going
Speaker 3: to stay where it is. So it's late July. Say
Speaker 3: that it's like the twenty second through the twenty you know,
Speaker 3: fifth or whatever Open Championship. Throw by week in after
Speaker 3: the Open Championship, and then we're going to have before
Speaker 3: a tournament that is near the PGA Championship somewhere. So
Speaker 3: Dallas National in twenty seven it's before it's Frisco, so
Speaker 3: similar area. We'll play Pebble before Olympic in twenty eight,
Speaker 3: We'll play Liberty National before Baltstrawl in twenty nine, We'll
Speaker 3: play Caves Valley before Congressional in twenty thirty. Not only
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, but like that's just it's a big market.
Speaker 3: Like it's I've been on the tour schedule or whatever.
Speaker 3: If you want to have somewhere else you want to
Speaker 3: play Ironomic or you want to play somewhere else, you
Speaker 3: know whatever club Okay, Philly Cricket Club before Congressional in
Speaker 3: twenty thirty, But build some excitement in that market. So
Speaker 3: you've you've given them, you know, a play the Open Championship.
Speaker 3: Now you've got a week to kind of travel to
Speaker 3: rest to whatever. Reset. But now we're going to ramp
Speaker 3: back up as we get to either if you wanted
Speaker 3: to move the you know, the players later in the
Speaker 3: year or to the PGA Championshi Like we're crescendoing and
Speaker 3: they're making the players be like, oh, you know, I'm
Speaker 3: already in this area, so I'm going to play this.
Speaker 3: I don't think Scotty's gonna like not play you know,
Speaker 3: Pebble before Olympic in twenty eight or Liberty National before
Speaker 3: Baltis role like he's going to be like, I got
Speaker 3: to be there anyway, so I might as well play
Speaker 3: in that tournament. I think that's a good enticement. And
Speaker 3: not only that, but like you drive more people to
Speaker 3: go to a major, you're sort of building on this
Speaker 3: just sort of popularity of golf in general in those
Speaker 3: major metro areas.
Speaker 2: Fair enough one one that I would like to draft,
Speaker 2: since we're putting so much of this schedule, we're pushing,
Speaker 2: we're moving the PGA back like Andy to your point,
Speaker 2: finding venues early in the year is not easy. I
Speaker 2: did not expect to take this pick. It was way
Speaker 2: down my list, But I think Tory Pines should be
Speaker 2: on the schedule.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is what this does. Does. Everybody has these
Speaker 1: pie in the sky aspirations like it, and I had
Speaker 1: written down like international opens as, like the things I've
Speaker 1: banging my fists. But then you start the practice, the
Speaker 1: actual practice of making the schedule is extremely hard, and
Speaker 1: you end up with like, oh, actually, this isn't that bad.
Speaker 2: I think Tory Pines definitively belongs on the PGA Tour schedule.
Speaker 2: It does not only have the history, but it is
Speaker 2: a poa test. It is long irons and you are
Speaker 2: playing at the beginning of the years. Like the little
Speaker 2: schedule I had drafted up would start like Phoenix, Riviera
Speaker 2: Tory Pines and give you a week off, And I
Speaker 2: think that would be an unbelievably cool way to start
Speaker 2: the season that you are playing into the variety, keeping
Speaker 2: the Tours legacy alive. Tiger obviously so much history at
Speaker 2: Tory Pines. I think it belongs the golf course. The
Speaker 2: quality of the golf course is a completely different conversation.
Speaker 2: I share the sentiment it's poor design, but I think
Speaker 2: it'd be a shame to do away with Tory Pines.
Speaker 2: So despite it being like fifteenth on my list, I
Speaker 2: think he finds needs to get drafted.
Speaker 1: What's interesting about the discourse of kind of Riviera and
Speaker 1: how the course doesn't play the way it should that
Speaker 1: Kakuya just gets stickier in the summer, and then the
Speaker 1: greens get really firm, and it's becomes this course that
Speaker 1: like you can't run it up, but then the greens
Speaker 1: that you can't hold and it becomes a really kind
Speaker 1: of tricky tricky golf course.
Speaker 2: I also plays way shorter Andy, and that is something
Speaker 2: that needs to get discussed about. If we play Riviera
Speaker 2: in warmer months, you're gonna see exactly how out of
Speaker 2: scale that golf course is.
Speaker 1: So I don't mind. And I think, like, what the
Speaker 1: way Riviera is so good so often in that time slot.
Speaker 1: What you're talking about is like it's almost like a
Speaker 1: sixty forty good to back ratio. And I think that's okay.
Speaker 1: You know, golf's an outdoor sport. The elements are part
Speaker 1: of it. I'm okay keeping Riviera early in the year
Speaker 1: and we and I do agree with Tory. I think
Speaker 1: that's like a nice swing. Uh, it's a nice It
Speaker 1: is a hard golf course. I think it also allows
Speaker 1: you to move pebble somewhere to the to where you
Speaker 1: want it again, you getting like when you do this exercise.
Speaker 3: It is.
Speaker 1: The tricky spots I've found with the schedule are like
Speaker 1: where do you go in like April and May, and
Speaker 1: where do you go early in the year because you
Speaker 1: have a lot of places you want to get in
Speaker 1: the summer, you know, with these big markets Scotland, if
Speaker 1: you wanted to add Ireland to the schedule. You know,
Speaker 1: if you those those exist only in a certain like
Speaker 1: there's there's less weeks than places you'd want to go
Speaker 1: at that time of year. And to me that that
Speaker 1: makes total It makes total sense to keep some of
Speaker 1: the California because there's only so many golf courses in
Speaker 1: the world, and Texas is unavailable at that time of
Speaker 1: year that you can play that time of year. So
Speaker 1: I agree with that. You know, I don't want to
Speaker 1: say this, but we got a schedule shaping up here, KVV.
Speaker 1: What was what was the second non negotiable event for you?
Speaker 3: Uh? You know, Andy, I'll tell you one better. I
Speaker 3: think there should be a whole I'm keeping the Florida Swing.
Speaker 1: I think it should go. We have the Florida Swing
Speaker 1: in locked in here.
Speaker 3: Cognizant Armor Palmer valspar is what I had. No. I
Speaker 3: think valspar is a good test. I think it's like
Speaker 3: it makes them hit unique interesting shots like you had
Speaker 3: Victor and Justin Thomas like having a pretty good showdown.
Speaker 3: It's hard to make pars if you miss fairways there.
Speaker 3: You have to work the ball both directions. I think
Speaker 3: those are good things I had. I brought this up earlier.
Speaker 3: But you guys are gonna hate this, hate this when
Speaker 3: I say this, But I think the Tour Championship should
Speaker 3: be at Shadow Creek.
Speaker 1: I think it is.
Speaker 3: It could be your most consistent, like five year spot,
Speaker 3: but it rotates so that, like I would love it
Speaker 3: if the playoffs. You know, this is a little bit
Speaker 3: different than what you guys are saying, but the playoffs
Speaker 3: went in August Pebble Genesis Tour Championship. It's you're in
Speaker 3: that side of the country, then you're on the West coast.
Speaker 3: You could then basically you could say the Tour Championship.
Speaker 3: You know, you only got thirty guys, so you could
Speaker 3: bring more sort of courses into play, but you should
Speaker 3: always play it in a major market. It could be
Speaker 3: in Chambers Bay one year. You could literally take it
Speaker 3: to Cherry Hills. You could go to Dallas National, you
Speaker 3: could go to you could even say, I don't care
Speaker 3: what these guys are gonna shoot, I want to have
Speaker 3: this one year at National Golf Links or Chicago Golf
Speaker 3: Club or somewhere where it basically is like a new
Speaker 3: interesting thing that builds like energy or whatever. But I
Speaker 3: think that that Shadow Creek look is not my favorite
Speaker 3: golf course. It is in kind of a major market.
Speaker 3: It is going to be like good weather. It is
Speaker 3: a time of year when you if you're building towards something,
Speaker 3: it tests pros in a way. We've had professional golf courses,
Speaker 3: professional matches there before, We've had women's matches there before.
Speaker 3: I think this would be a good solution to if
Speaker 3: you are having some of these, Like if Genesis really
Speaker 3: does move to be one of the playoff events, we
Speaker 3: are already on the West coast. Like it's a good
Speaker 3: it's better than East Lake. It's a way to sort
Speaker 3: of culminate towards it.
Speaker 1: All Right, So now we were torn here is Genesis
Speaker 1: a fall event or or a later season event or
Speaker 1: an early season event? You know, how do we think.
Speaker 3: Pebble is relevant too to this discussion?
Speaker 1: I think Pebble is more likely to go later than Genesis.
Speaker 3: The weather keeps affecting Pebble in a way that's frustrating,
Speaker 3: and it has started to happen to Genesis too. What
Speaker 3: if those were August events? And then that's why I
Speaker 3: ended up sort of I was like, where on the
Speaker 3: West coast could I have a tour championship and shadow
Speaker 3: Creek popped up, was like, you know what, Like that
Speaker 3: would be a natural kind of evolution if if we
Speaker 3: went Pebble Genesis Shadow Creek the way you had.
Speaker 2: It laid out, which I don't know. I like it personally,
Speaker 2: would be to have Waste Management, Riviera Tory start the
Speaker 2: year and keep RIV where it is. There's some issues
Speaker 2: with moving RIV to August, like do you have the
Speaker 2: Olympics coming. I don't know that it's a guarantee that
Speaker 2: we would get RIV late in the year and then
Speaker 2: do the for the playoffs, potentially something like Chicago, New York, Pebble.
Speaker 1: That's the way I had it laid out.
Speaker 2: I think Pebble would be a really cool place to
Speaker 2: end the season, or Kapalua since we had thrown that
Speaker 2: out earlier. But I don't know. I think ending the
Speaker 2: year on the eighteenth at Pebble Beach makes a lot
Speaker 2: of sense to me. So I don't love Shadow Creek,
Speaker 2: and to Andy's point, it would be pretty hot, but
Speaker 2: they are worse. I'd be fine with it. The Tour
Speaker 2: Championship's not going to.
Speaker 1: Be that good no matter what, so Shadow Creek would
Speaker 1: be an intro what you know, I don't know enough
Speaker 1: about Vegas. Could Shadow Creek slide in to like February good?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I just think with Vegas you get like the spectacle, right,
Speaker 3: you get the sort of you know, goof we know
Speaker 3: it photographs like relatively well, you know, it fits in
Speaker 3: with some of the things that the tour values, like
Speaker 3: a big sponsorship partners, you know, gambling partners like all
Speaker 3: that stuff. I feel like you could you could basically,
Speaker 3: you know, have the players kind of do other events
Speaker 3: or other sort of social things in Vegas that would
Speaker 3: be kind of compelling. I don't. Look, I don't love
Speaker 3: the golf course, but I do think that there is
Speaker 3: some value in it if you're on the way, if
Speaker 3: you need a West Coast event. Especially part of what
Speaker 3: it is is like too. I don't know would Shadow
Speaker 3: Creek Coast one hundred and fifty guys know, but like
Speaker 3: thirty guys like they probably would be on board with
Speaker 3: that kind of field.
Speaker 2: Look from a content standpoint, I think I'm in on
Speaker 2: thirty of the best golfers in the world spending a
Speaker 2: weekend in Las Vegas, So it's starting to make a
Speaker 2: little more sense to me.
Speaker 1: Kevin, I'll go with my decks has to happen the
Speaker 1: Scottish Open. Scottish Open has to be on this schedule.
Speaker 1: I think it's in a great spot the week before
Speaker 1: the Open. I think there's literally nothing they have to change.
Speaker 1: This is a layup. This as easy as it gets.
Speaker 1: I also want to appease our international audience that is
Speaker 1: probably screaming at the top of their lungs at minute
Speaker 1: of forty two of reshaping this calendar and not one
Speaker 1: mention of an international event. So I am playing to
Speaker 1: a portion of our audience here. But I think this
Speaker 1: is delightful viewing. I actually think, you know, underrated in
Speaker 1: terms of TV. Maybe the numbers don't bear this out perfectly,
Speaker 1: maybe the numbers are down. But for busy individuals and
Speaker 1: your core like livelihood golf fan, it feels like to
Speaker 1: me in July, it's easier for me to watch golf
Speaker 1: early in the morning than it is for me to
Speaker 1: watch golf at three pm in the afternoon on a
Speaker 1: Saturday or Sunday. This is just anecdotal of my life.
Speaker 1: I'm sure other people share this sentiment, where if I
Speaker 1: watch a golf from the hours of you know, if
Speaker 1: I'm in Central or East Coast time. If I watch
Speaker 1: a golf from the hours of like seven am till
Speaker 1: ten am, I'm probably gonna much be able to watch
Speaker 1: that more often than three to five pm. You know,
Speaker 1: that is a primetime golf viewing hour for you know,
Speaker 1: I think golf does so much to appeal They attempt
Speaker 1: to appeal to the mass audience so often, but the
Speaker 1: reality is is that what it always needs to do
Speaker 1: is appeal to the core audience who evangelize the sport
Speaker 1: to others. Golf is going to attract and has been
Speaker 1: attracting so many people in the recent years, and it's
Speaker 1: not because of any of the BS Grow the Game initiatives.
Speaker 1: It's because people are realizing it's a freaking awesome sport
Speaker 1: to play. So show the best versions of golf in
Speaker 1: the in the truest form Scottish Open before the Open Championship,
Speaker 1: and if I was going to say, you know, I
Speaker 1: think they should just tack on the Irish right after
Speaker 1: that and that should be a three event swinging there, everybody,
Speaker 1: pack your bags. It's European vacation time for for the
Speaker 1: PGA Tour and we go to we go spend spend
Speaker 1: some time in Ireland and the British Isles. You're going
Speaker 1: after after the Open before after so.
Speaker 3: Irish Open is usually in September, right, it's like beyond,
Speaker 3: it's after the sense of the tour season. Isn't that
Speaker 3: where they had it slotted in the schedule? Yeah, I wonder.
Speaker 3: I worry that some people might skip the Irish Open
Speaker 3: after the Open Championship.
Speaker 1: Here's the thing with where you slot it at the
Speaker 1: end of the year. People near the top of the
Speaker 1: standings skiff, but if you're anywhere near relegation, you know
Speaker 1: what you're not doing. You're not skipping. That's the beauty
Speaker 1: of the end of the season. And the cutthroat aspect
Speaker 1: of this is that your end of the season events
Speaker 1: become musty TV because of potential relegation, but also there
Speaker 1: must attend events For anybody that's like fifty plus on
Speaker 1: the stand they're like, oh, I can't miss this. I
Speaker 1: cannot risk losing this gig and going down. You know,
Speaker 1: this is the beauty of removing exemptions.
Speaker 3: Yeah, ay, I listen. You threw a sort of a
Speaker 3: shout out to our international listeners. There there's a scenario
Speaker 3: of this where I was grinding over this last night,
Speaker 3: I wanted to start the season in Australia, and basically
Speaker 3: like Australia is the Australian Open is the start of
Speaker 3: the PGA Tour season. You don't you skip it. Whatever
Speaker 3: you're you're way behind in points, it counts just as much.
Speaker 3: And I also was like looking at, oh, you know what,
Speaker 3: maybe like the national opens here, if we're really going
Speaker 3: to have, you know, an agreement where the PGA Tour
Speaker 3: and the Deep the World Tour or have this kind
Speaker 3: of you know, symbiotic relationship, then the French Open, the
Speaker 3: Dutch Open, the Spanish Open, those should be on the calendar. Now.
Speaker 3: I don't know that a lot of players, I think
Speaker 3: there would be a mutiny if they tried to sort
Speaker 3: of go with that. So I don't know if you
Speaker 3: can get more than like the Scottish and the Irish
Speaker 3: involved in that. But I one hundred percent agree, like
Speaker 3: it's the Professional Golfers Association Tour, it's not just like
Speaker 3: the American Golf Association Tour. I would love to force
Speaker 3: them to haul down to Australia and throw Australia bone
Speaker 3: of the way that the PGA Tour kind of basically
Speaker 3: ruined golf in Australia for a long time.
Speaker 1: Oh, I think, what's a fascinating exercise here is you know,
Speaker 1: and we're not going to do this on this pod,
Speaker 1: but if you started, if you're operating from the vein
Speaker 1: of the tour beneath this is four to seven million
Speaker 1: dollar purses and these are going to be what feeds
Speaker 1: into the best tour in the world. I think in
Speaker 1: a way that those players are going to have way,
Speaker 1: way less power, which is one of the big reasons
Speaker 1: why I think a world Tour calendar or calendar isn't
Speaker 1: going to happen. Is like players don't want to be
Speaker 1: away from home. But guess what if you're relegated down,
Speaker 1: you become, you know, much less powerful and maybe that's
Speaker 1: where you also want to grow your international audience. You
Speaker 1: you know, these are things that you know that Brian
Speaker 1: Rolapp would like to do if he's following any of
Speaker 1: the NFL playbook and their expansion. So we want to
Speaker 1: go there. We want to cultivate the best the best
Speaker 1: international fields we can get in terms of like are
Speaker 1: the tour should be a representation of the best of golf.
Speaker 1: Maybe that is the place where you get your French,
Speaker 1: your Dutch opens, your French opens, your Spanish opens, your
Speaker 1: you know you, you go to the South African Open,
Speaker 1: maybe there's you know and players of those countries can
Speaker 1: go play there that even if they're in the top
Speaker 1: top end of the tour.
Speaker 2: I have come to the realization that the PGA Tour
Speaker 2: should not have the Australian Open and some of these
Speaker 2: other opens. To Andy's point, go lay this out on
Speaker 2: paper and look at where the Australian Open could potentially
Speaker 2: slot in. It is very difficult. And beyond that, I
Speaker 2: actually don't want the PGA Tour taking the Australian Open.
Speaker 2: That we would be doing, we'd be playing preferred Lives
Speaker 2: at Royal Melbourne. I think the best thing the PGA
Speaker 2: Tour can do is condense the schedule to February to
Speaker 2: August and then get out of the way and let
Speaker 2: other events succeed and the Australian Open could be built
Speaker 2: up because it's in December, Rory's going there, whoever else
Speaker 2: is going there. Just stay out of the way of
Speaker 2: the rest of the golf schedule. I think that would
Speaker 2: be my vision for the PGA Tour. But again, slot
Speaker 2: it down like thirty thirty weeks, twenty two events. If
Speaker 2: you can figure out a place where the Australian Open
Speaker 2: makes sense and it is feasible with travel, more power
Speaker 2: to you, because I'm I don't see it.
Speaker 1: That's the thing. So if you want it, if you said, hey, Joseph,
Speaker 1: I hear you, let's start there in February. You start
Speaker 1: there and then you have an immediate week off.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you can't do it.
Speaker 1: Somebody's prove us wrong. They're going to come at us.
Speaker 2: I know that.
Speaker 3: Just let it be in December.
Speaker 2: It's an amazing it's an amazing event in December.
Speaker 3: I yeah, you know golf.
Speaker 1: You know the thing is it could be just golf
Speaker 1: nerds little sanctuary in December. Yeah, without PGA Tour rule
Speaker 1: to soften greens. And it's great for lives.
Speaker 3: Think about how many times in our life we're going
Speaker 3: to see Scotty play Roe Melbourne maybe once, Like there's
Speaker 3: just no other real like I want to somehow force
Speaker 3: the best player of this generation to go down there
Speaker 3: and play that kind of golf. And obviously, like inconvenience
Speaker 3: is a lot of other people, but like as people
Speaker 3: who value the history of the game, it just it
Speaker 3: feels like Scotty playing roll Melbourne in some scenario is
Speaker 3: a thing that I really want to see and I
Speaker 3: don't know how to make it happen, but I sure
Speaker 3: would like to figure out a way to do it.
Speaker 2: I think there's an argument Kevin that the prestige of
Speaker 2: the event should be what attracts him, and maybe, like
Speaker 2: Rory going, Scotty realizes like this is a really cool
Speaker 2: event to win. I'm going to go play in December,
Speaker 2: even though I'm not forced to like that. I think
Speaker 2: that is the answer, and forcing him to go, he
Speaker 2: might still not show up.
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Speaker 3: All right, what are we missing?
Speaker 1: Well? Who has any does anybody have any events that
Speaker 1: they must have?
Speaker 3: I think the BMW has consistently been like the one
Speaker 3: good playoff event, like over and over the last ten years.
Speaker 1: And I would we're going to call that the Western
Speaker 1: Open presented by BMW. I just had typed that onto
Speaker 1: my schedule. It needs to needs to relinquish to day
Speaker 1: and go back to its history. Personally, I do not
Speaker 1: think it should be a shrunk field. Okay, I think
Speaker 1: it's I don't know, in this current setup, if the
Speaker 1: playoffs should exist, interesting, it should just be like, okay,
Speaker 1: it's relegation and there's bonuses paid to the top ten.
Speaker 3: So it's like a Premier league setup where there's no playoffs.
Speaker 3: You just got to position yourself all throughout the season.
Speaker 1: Like a farcical you know, utopia that the tour created
Speaker 1: of thinking that they're going to create something out of
Speaker 1: thin air that has no soul and no history that's
Speaker 1: going to contend with the majors. The majors are the
Speaker 1: playoffs of golf.
Speaker 3: That's true, people, No matter how much the players like,
Speaker 3: it's the winner of the regular season, who really feels
Speaker 3: like they're the FedEx Cup champion anyway? So why like,
Speaker 3: why muck it up with adding a playoff into it?
Speaker 3: I could get on board with that.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna be a favor of a tour championship, but
Speaker 2: no playoffs. Like I could see a limited field some
Speaker 2: potentially match, but I know that always gets thrown around.
Speaker 2: I'm supportive of that idea, but like something at Pebble
Speaker 2: that's thirty six golfers or you know, the top thirty
Speaker 2: or Kevin your your Cappalou idea, Like, I think I'd
Speaker 2: be in favor of that. But the idea of this
Speaker 2: down to seventy, down to fifty, down to thirty playoff,
Speaker 2: I think it's tried and proven that it does not work.
Speaker 3: I have an interesting thought here. It kind of flips
Speaker 3: the question on it's here, what is something that does
Speaker 3: not survive the cut? What is something that is just
Speaker 3: you do not see a room for it or you
Speaker 3: have no like emotional attachment to it. What gets left
Speaker 3: behind in this schedule, the good good Championship.
Speaker 2: Oh, I think Harbortown. I think Harbortown can get left behind.
Speaker 2: That's probably the most high profile one that I'd be
Speaker 2: completely fine just saying goodbye to Wow.
Speaker 1: I'm all, you know, I think the Travelers at TPC
Speaker 1: River Highlands has to be Sunset y see you and Valhalla.
Speaker 2: I think Colonial can be Sunset. I even like Colonial,
Speaker 2: but I think.
Speaker 3: I think Colonel I would as much as like, you know,
Speaker 3: history might declare that to be such a spitting in
Speaker 3: the face of history of the game. It's just not
Speaker 3: that interesting to me. It's not a you know, I'm sorry,
Speaker 3: there'd be a weepy thing where Scotti talked about how
Speaker 3: you know he'd always grown up going to that event
Speaker 3: and whatnot. But I just not h I'm not going
Speaker 3: to stick my neck out to save it in Jude TPC,
Speaker 3: what about the children, Joseph.
Speaker 1: All right, I'm going to uh, I'm going to just
Speaker 1: lay out something we had, Kevin. We have sokatratictory statements
Speaker 1: from you that I have a trouble flushing out where
Speaker 1: Chicago THEW is a playoff event, but then you have
Speaker 1: the Shadow Creek and all of that. Yes, so the
Speaker 1: playoffs is like six events.
Speaker 3: What you asked me to put together some thoughts, and
Speaker 3: that I put it together with the idea there would
Speaker 3: be playoffs. But then we're like reversing it, saying no playoffs.
Speaker 3: I'm just trying to get us into big markets. As
Speaker 3: you can see, like I can see why Tiger can't
Speaker 3: be the Ryder Cup captain because this is just a
Speaker 3: Jenga piece here that he can't pull one thing out
Speaker 3: without the whole thing collapsing.
Speaker 1: I need somebody to be the counter of this, and
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna lay this out. Okay, Phoenix, Riviera, Tory Pines,
Speaker 1: South Florida event that could bounce between Palm Beach and Miami.
Speaker 1: Just right there, Arnold Palmer, which is locked in players.
Speaker 1: Then we have Eastlake Masters, the Giant Hole after the Masters, Valera, Well,
Speaker 1: we're going to get into the hole. We're gonna run
Speaker 1: through the hole.
Speaker 3: More keeping you're keeping the players in March in this
Speaker 3: center as of now.
Speaker 1: Okay, unless I hear any advice, you know, we could
Speaker 1: you know, valspar Is in the mix here. So there
Speaker 1: was one vote for vals bar I also the only.
Speaker 3: One who brought up Quail Hollow, like brought up the truest.
Speaker 1: I think the truest could go into the after the Masters.
Speaker 1: That will do Quail Hollow after after the Mass, after
Speaker 1: the Masters. That makes sense, it's gonna be.
Speaker 2: That's gonna be the Rory McElroy Invitational in twenty five years.
Speaker 1: I think that. I think it like falls around his
Speaker 1: birthday every year too, which is actually like additively hilarious
Speaker 1: that like it is his birthday and he wins all
Speaker 1: the time at this venue. It does feel like it's
Speaker 1: just that would be perfect, not the Irish Open. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I can see a.
Speaker 3: Sixty eight year old Rory like shooting his age, you know,
Speaker 3: Laura palmer Zilia, I'd ever do it on the right
Speaker 3: at seventy two and so I can see like an
Speaker 3: old Rory coming out there and scraping together. At sixty
Speaker 3: nine it's bunkers.
Speaker 1: Yeah, nobody else can fly. So we got kuil Alo Memorial.
Speaker 1: Is somebody counting this sort of I think you're at
Speaker 1: eleven Quail Hollow Memorial US open another hole here, Scottish
Speaker 1: Open Open Championship, Irish Open.
Speaker 3: I'm trying so hard to keep the Canadians off our back.
Speaker 3: I've brought up the Canadian Open three times. Sorry, guys,
Speaker 3: just keep running right past it.
Speaker 1: All right, Let's put the Canadian Open after the US Open.
Speaker 3: Okay?
Speaker 1: I agree, that has to be.
Speaker 3: Big of you.
Speaker 1: Scottish Open, Open Championship, Irish Open.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 1: Then I've got Western Open presented by BMW. You. We've
Speaker 1: got the Private Equity and Banking Championship in New York.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Liberty National, maybe.
Speaker 1: Pebble Beach, Hey, Hawaii PGA Championship, that'ship.
Speaker 3: PG Championship closes the whole season.
Speaker 1: Then it would be cool. I think it would give
Speaker 1: them actually, like some good exposure. I don't know how
Speaker 1: many events that is. It was close, it was close twenty.
Speaker 1: I mean we're at twenty events, so there's like so
Speaker 1: that that just gets you an idea. We have no
Speaker 1: Texas events, so I think like you could just slide
Speaker 1: in a Dallas event, in a Houston event in some
Speaker 1: pockets and they fit perfectly in the pockets that we need. Right,
Speaker 1: that gets you to twenty two. We haven't touched like DC,
Speaker 1: Philadelphia or Boston. I mean that's basically how you get
Speaker 1: to twenty five.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean we're John Deere gets got in this
Speaker 3: Puerto Rico obviously gets got. Travelers got got.
Speaker 1: I think the framing shouldn't be who gets God okay,
Speaker 1: because the the tour below is not. It's not like
Speaker 1: that's basically what we watched at the Cognizant last week.
Speaker 1: I just hope there.
Speaker 2: I do think it's important that there's golf every week
Speaker 2: and that guys have the option to play so andy,
Speaker 2: I'm fine with that. If it's a blend, I would
Speaker 2: hope that Shane Lowry's of the world still are playing that,
Speaker 2: either to get reps or there's some reason they need
Speaker 2: to play. But I think there should be golf every week.
Speaker 3: Even if it's like a tour. I mean yeah, I
Speaker 3: mean that's you know, look, Premier League soccer teams play
Speaker 3: like meaningless games against like smaller division things all the time.
Speaker 3: Like I think there's there's a really compelling argument to
Speaker 3: being like, if you want, if you're a true golf
Speaker 3: sicco go play in like this. You know, smaller event
Speaker 3: guys used to do it all the time back in
Speaker 3: you know, Jack Nichols playing in the Portland Open, you
Speaker 3: know where he's like the only person in the field
Speaker 3: who's any good. Like there used to some of the
Speaker 3: stars used to travel around and be like, yeah, of
Speaker 3: course I'm gonna play in this. I want to get
Speaker 3: my golf in.
Speaker 1: I think the other thing that they should explore, but
Speaker 1: they probably wouldn't, is the idea of rotating events that
Speaker 1: like some events that you you know, I think like
Speaker 1: you should look at the likes of, Okay, if you
Speaker 1: want to have a Chicago mainstay event, that doesn't mean
Speaker 1: that you can't have an event that that is on
Speaker 1: this calendar that alternates between Indianapolis, Detroit, Minneapolis, and Milwaukee,
Speaker 1: and that's like this this other Midwest event, right, you
Speaker 1: have Ohio covered. I think you could do like an
Speaker 1: event that alternates between Washington, DC and Philadelphia, an event
Speaker 1: that alternates between I don't know, maybe it's Boston in
Speaker 1: another city or maybe you know one of those cities
Speaker 1: where an alternates between there. You could have an event
Speaker 1: in Texas that alternates between San Antonio and Austin and
Speaker 1: accomplish that. Like, I think that there has to be
Speaker 1: some events that kind of float around. In some years
Speaker 1: they're elevated, some years they are.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I just would like to say, I think the
Speaker 3: Pacific Northwest gets constantly screwed in this.
Speaker 1: Well, we've screwed them again, we did.
Speaker 3: I feel like Seattle, you know, it's so the fifteenth
Speaker 3: biggest market I think in the country, or the free
Speaker 3: biggest metro city. Like it just seems it's frustrating to
Speaker 3: me as someone who grew up, you know, kind of
Speaker 3: in the Northwest, at least in western Montana that was
Speaker 3: always like Seattle. Portland area was like the area where
Speaker 3: I wanted to live and make my life. And there's
Speaker 3: just golf has been totally abandoned there by tours and
Speaker 3: majors and everything.
Speaker 1: I think the spot for us at the end of
Speaker 1: the year, but then goes to what are you moving out? Where? Where?
Speaker 1: How are you moving?
Speaker 3: Like?
Speaker 1: This is that again? As Joseph said, I urge you
Speaker 1: to try and put this down on paper. It's really hard.
Speaker 2: It's hard.
Speaker 3: I might drop my thing as a as a written
Speaker 3: piece here and just let people rip it apart, because
Speaker 3: I'm sure there are massive contradictions throughout it. But at
Speaker 3: least it would be as a fun exercise. I mean,
Speaker 3: I have more events than we discussed here, but I
Speaker 3: think it would be fun kind of way to be
Speaker 3: like why not, What's what's so bad about this?
Speaker 2: You know?
Speaker 1: The other thing about the Pacific Northwest one of the
Speaker 1: hard things for the PGA tours venues m I would
Speaker 1: I would guess that if the tour went to Chambers Bay,
Speaker 1: who's just been completely left in the dust by the USGA,
Speaker 1: you know, just completely.
Speaker 3: They screwed Chambers Bay by cutting it down so badly
Speaker 3: and then the basic abandoned it. Then what a what
Speaker 3: a raw deal for chambers.
Speaker 1: They could go, I bet go to Chambers Bay. And
Speaker 1: if they said, hey, we want to have the best
Speaker 1: players in the world come here every August. The weather
Speaker 1: it's going to be perfect, the course is going to
Speaker 1: be perfect, it's going to be incredible scenery. Will you
Speaker 1: host every year? I think they would say yes.
Speaker 3: And it's like a.
Speaker 1: Venue that it would be in that immediately in the
Speaker 1: top tier of PGA tour venues, because that is like
Speaker 1: another aspect of this discussion is like where are they
Speaker 1: hosting some of these things, like who's saying yes to
Speaker 1: the song and dance all all the time? Because you know,
Speaker 1: if you said, Okay, we want to do Chicago, You're
Speaker 1: going to have to rotate between Medina Olympia Fields and
Speaker 1: Conway Farms, and there's there's not really other venues that
Speaker 1: can host. And at that point, if one of them
Speaker 1: says no thanks, because the PGA moves back to August,
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, you know, when you move
Speaker 1: the PGA back to August, guess what happens for the tour?
Speaker 1: All lot harder to get the venues you want.
Speaker 3: Yeah, here's one thing I was thinking last night. It
Speaker 3: was mowing this over.
Speaker 1: Do we live in a.
Speaker 3: World now where the PGA Tour should if it really
Speaker 3: wants to have a certain course, basically throw out the
Speaker 3: idea of like the fan on site experience. Be like,
Speaker 3: this is a digital product. This is something so like
Speaker 3: could we take thirty guys to Pacific Dunes? I know,
Speaker 3: like obviously it's not super long, but could we take
Speaker 3: thirty guys to Prairie dunes to sand hills and basically
Speaker 3: just present it just as a TV product so we
Speaker 3: don't have to worry about ticket sales, we don't have
Speaker 3: to worry about setup, we don't have to worry about
Speaker 3: you know, can this site host all the sort of
Speaker 3: tour trucks and all that stuff, I think there is
Speaker 3: a world in which we showcase like a really great
Speaker 3: course and when we don't, like Cyper's point, probably don't
Speaker 3: want to have twenty five thousand fans. I'm sure they don't.
Speaker 3: Pine Valley certainly doesn't want that, but they might say, yeah,
Speaker 3: give me your best thirty guys and we'll play like
Speaker 3: an event here that's just a TV broadcast. I think
Speaker 3: that would be a really cool way to sort of
Speaker 3: open up some different cool places that don't want to
Speaker 3: have every you know, riff raft coming through their doors,
Speaker 3: but would be fine with the top bros doing it.
Speaker 2: I think it sounds interesting to watch. I don't know
Speaker 2: how that fits into the schedule and the points and
Speaker 2: status and all that.
Speaker 1: Plus I think.
Speaker 3: Beyond off season event likeeeding, But.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think even beyond that, if you want to
Speaker 2: have some of the it's not just fan infrastructure that
Speaker 2: those places don't have, Like it's driving range length and
Speaker 2: maybe you don't care about that. Guys can only hit
Speaker 2: irons to get ready. But I think there are a
Speaker 2: lot of logistical complications and trying to get that many
Speaker 2: people to the golf course, even if you're not worried
Speaker 2: about fans airports, lodging.
Speaker 1: I don't think airports are actually important for I think,
Speaker 1: like listen, tgl's chartering players back to West Palm Beach
Speaker 1: to to play in their you know, made for TV matches.
Speaker 1: The reality is like the money on this tour is
Speaker 1: not going down, and the top there's more a larger
Speaker 1: subset of the tour is flying private than ever before,
Speaker 1: and that number is not going down. So I actually
Speaker 1: think airports if you if you throw out the fan
Speaker 1: need is less.
Speaker 2: I just think cameras and shot if you want to
Speaker 2: have shot link towers, which I think people do. Like,
Speaker 2: there's a lot involved in bringing a tour event to
Speaker 2: a golf course, and I would be pretty skeptical. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I'd be skeptical that.
Speaker 3: I mean, they host the us AM though at Bandon,
Speaker 3: like they they've hosted the USAM at or you know,
Speaker 3: the various Curtis Cup at National Golf Links, Like it's
Speaker 3: not like there hasn't been high level golf events at
Speaker 3: some of these courses where we're just like, oh no,
Speaker 3: there's no chance. You know, the Usam's people hit it
Speaker 3: pretty freaking far.
Speaker 2: But who's playing in these events if it's not part
Speaker 2: of the PGA tour schedule. It's the fall you're trying
Speaker 2: to how you get You're just doing like a WGC
Speaker 2: type one off with the top thirty players in September, Like,
Speaker 2: I don't know the guys are going to I don't
Speaker 2: know how compelling that would be.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think the other aspect of this is
Speaker 1: like the tour if I you know, this is another
Speaker 1: thing I'd do if I was running this tour. You
Speaker 1: see the popularity of YouTube golf. They've tried just kind
Speaker 1: of the foray into YouTube golf with an ill thought
Speaker 1: out creator classic like Okay, we're going to bring a
Speaker 1: live golf to YouTube, unproduced. I think the reality of
Speaker 1: like how you do this is you do post produced
Speaker 1: golf that is ala YouTube and you do that and
Speaker 1: it's like a whole new line of business for the tour,
Speaker 1: whole new type of golf that builds interest in your
Speaker 1: core product. That would make a lot of sense to me. Again,
Speaker 1: you know, giant corporations are are usually not the places
Speaker 1: for you know.
Speaker 3: Fresh ideas that that.
Speaker 1: Come out like with like great ideas that they aren't
Speaker 1: on entrepreneurial hotbeds, So you know what they'll end up
Speaker 1: doing is like larding it up with commercials and production
Speaker 1: and then say, our gambling partners say this cannot be
Speaker 1: post produced, so you can't do that, and that's why
Speaker 1: you get stuck where you are.
Speaker 3: I would just say that Netflix and Amazon are so
Speaker 3: interested in getting more involved in the live sports game,
Speaker 3: and so I feel like you could carve out something
Speaker 3: that's separate from the PGA Tour and basically be like, yeah,
Speaker 3: this is like we got ten guys here at sand Hills,
Speaker 3: and Netflix is like, you know, showing this you know
Speaker 3: event in December and you know or wherever the time
Speaker 3: that would fit for the weather wise, Like, I think
Speaker 3: it could be a cool opportunity to have something different
Speaker 3: to showcase like some of America's best courses that for
Speaker 3: the most part, like the average PGA tour pen probably
Speaker 3: doesn't even like think about ever roll up.
Speaker 2: I think relap's going to shoot that down though for
Speaker 2: the scarce issue, which I honestly I would understand, Like now,
Speaker 2: if we're not doing these one off events haven't worked,
Speaker 2: We're not doing stuff in the fall, people need a
Speaker 2: miss golf, and then we're coming back in February. I
Speaker 2: think there is some wisdom in that.
Speaker 3: I'll be really interested to see what Rollap says next
Speaker 3: week because I think a lot of people have myself included,
Speaker 3: have interpreted what we think his beliefs are on a
Speaker 3: lot of this stuff. Yes, he's talked to some people,
Speaker 3: whispered some things here and there, but you know, a
Speaker 3: lot of it is just like, oh, he wants to
Speaker 3: follow the NFL model, and you know that's probably mostly true,
Speaker 3: but I don't know that it is entirely like I
Speaker 3: just think there's been a lot of like assuming what
Speaker 3: he believes based on where he came from. And I
Speaker 3: hope that he will expound up on that a little bit,
Speaker 3: and you know, scarcely I think it is going to
Speaker 3: be part of them all he did, I think mentioned
Speaker 3: some of that and in come of his talks, But
Speaker 3: I don't know that it's quite going to be like
Speaker 3: as brutal as the NFL. He's going to have to
Speaker 3: listen and respect to some of this stuff about you know,
Speaker 3: he's not gonna just like throw Ryan Moore over the
Speaker 3: edge of the boat and be like sorry, dude, like
Speaker 3: it's it's over you. It's going to be a transition
Speaker 3: into because if you looked at it like from a
Speaker 3: purely ruthless business standpoint, like you wouldn't keep the Champions
Speaker 3: Tour around. And I don't think that's going away.
Speaker 1: Tigers.
Speaker 3: Wait, Tiger's sitting Tiger's going to protect that. Tiger wants
Speaker 3: a place for himself to play. And so even if
Speaker 3: you're like roll up and you're like this is a
Speaker 3: dumb thing, you're not literally sitting in the room negotiating
Speaker 3: with the biggest you know, Champions Tour asset of all
Speaker 3: time and being like sorry, man, like it's going away.
Speaker 3: He's going to say no, freaking way are we signing
Speaker 3: on board with this? You know, we still have some
Speaker 3: of the power in this discussion as well.
Speaker 1: All right, lost lost of mall and I think we'll
Speaker 1: probably have a lot more answers. But I thought this
Speaker 1: was really fun to start to kind of sketch this
Speaker 1: out with with kind of where the direction of this
Speaker 1: is going. I'm curious. I think, like the reality is
Speaker 1: we just laid out the the ideal, and what ends
Speaker 1: up happening is is some of the some of the
Speaker 1: bigger partners on the tour their thumb on the scale
Speaker 1: and we we get TPC River Highlands on the schedule.
Speaker 3: I los I ride for I'm sorry, I ride for
Speaker 3: the Travelers.
Speaker 1: It was Joseph. It was Joseph's schedule. Just be TPC
Speaker 1: San Antonio, followed by Memorial.
Speaker 3: Every other week they play the Travelers with Hickory's you
Speaker 3: know something that makes it compelling interesting? I don't know.
Speaker 1: All right, Thanks guys, everybody get get at us with
Speaker 1: your with your schedule. The parameters are you know, twenty
Speaker 1: to twenty five events ish and in February to August.
Speaker 1: All right, big thanks for listening to another episode. We'll
Speaker 1: be back next week with a player's preview. I will
Speaker 1: be joined by the PGA Tours Ace editorial man of
Speaker 1: frequent guest on this podcast through the year, Sean Martin.
Speaker 1: I'm excited to chat with Sean. It's been been a
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Speaker 1: next week. Big thanks to PJ as always for editing
Speaker 1: and producing this podcast.