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Now 10 00:00:35,920 --> 00:00:38,760 Speaker 1: signed up with promo code Colin so they know we 11 00:00:38,880 --> 00:00:51,680 Speaker 1: sent you. What is going on? Everybody's Jon Middlecoff a 12 00:00:51,720 --> 00:00:56,720 Speaker 1: little golo pod. We we've taken a I guess a 13 00:00:56,760 --> 00:01:00,760 Speaker 1: couple of weeks off while these fed A playoffs have 14 00:01:00,840 --> 00:01:04,520 Speaker 1: been going. It's the PGA Tours version of live golf, 15 00:01:04,680 --> 00:01:08,040 Speaker 1: just giving out money now the differences you've earned this 16 00:01:08,280 --> 00:01:11,400 Speaker 1: So I'm not I'm pro all the money being given out, 17 00:01:11,959 --> 00:01:14,640 Speaker 1: but it does feel like what we're jumping the shark 18 00:01:14,720 --> 00:01:17,320 Speaker 1: a little bit, uh, just in terms of how much 19 00:01:17,360 --> 00:01:19,240 Speaker 1: we talked about it is. It's getting a little exhausting 20 00:01:19,800 --> 00:01:22,160 Speaker 1: and luckily since I last talked to you. The Zala 21 00:01:22,240 --> 00:01:25,679 Speaker 1: Torus win and then watching the US Amateur just brought 22 00:01:25,720 --> 00:01:28,760 Speaker 1: me a lot of joy. And uh, We're probably not 23 00:01:28,800 --> 00:01:32,000 Speaker 1: gonna have many more go lows the rest of the year, 24 00:01:32,600 --> 00:01:36,160 Speaker 1: given that it's football season, and football is is how 25 00:01:36,200 --> 00:01:39,200 Speaker 1: we pay the bills around here, and I gotta just 26 00:01:39,280 --> 00:01:42,039 Speaker 1: give all my effort and let's face it, beside, once 27 00:01:42,120 --> 00:01:47,840 Speaker 1: this Tour Championship ends, the President's Cup, which who knows 28 00:01:48,000 --> 00:01:50,639 Speaker 1: what that's gonna look like giving all these potential guys 29 00:01:50,760 --> 00:01:54,560 Speaker 1: leaving for live might not even be that relevant or cool. 30 00:01:54,600 --> 00:01:57,800 Speaker 1: It hasn't happened since I guess it would have been nineteen, 31 00:01:58,040 --> 00:02:00,520 Speaker 1: the year Tiger was player captain. That was that ass 32 00:02:01,000 --> 00:02:05,880 Speaker 1: That was that was sweet, So uh, I enjoy it. 33 00:02:06,560 --> 00:02:10,280 Speaker 1: But if their team is a Bnswer is gone, if 34 00:02:10,320 --> 00:02:14,000 Speaker 1: Cam Smith's gone, if a deck He's gone. Uh, it's 35 00:02:14,040 --> 00:02:18,560 Speaker 1: just they have no chance to compete, absolutely none, So 36 00:02:18,639 --> 00:02:22,320 Speaker 1: that that that's gonna suck. But at Golpod on Instagram, 37 00:02:22,400 --> 00:02:25,400 Speaker 1: I'm gonna continue to put golf content up there. I 38 00:02:25,440 --> 00:02:28,560 Speaker 1: try to do daily reels if anything's going on, talk 39 00:02:28,639 --> 00:02:31,800 Speaker 1: some gambling, though I'm probably not gonna gamble this week. 40 00:02:32,320 --> 00:02:34,640 Speaker 1: I think it's really hard when you stagger the field. 41 00:02:35,040 --> 00:02:37,560 Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know how you bet against Scottie Scheffler. 42 00:02:37,919 --> 00:02:40,160 Speaker 1: He's been arguably the best players start to finish all 43 00:02:40,240 --> 00:02:43,480 Speaker 1: year long, and he has a two shot lead. I 44 00:02:43,919 --> 00:02:45,919 Speaker 1: just think it's gonna be very, very difficult for him 45 00:02:45,960 --> 00:02:48,480 Speaker 1: not to win. But he's a basically a two and 46 00:02:48,520 --> 00:02:51,600 Speaker 1: a half to one favorite. Uh. I don't like those odds. 47 00:02:51,639 --> 00:02:53,840 Speaker 1: I love gambling on golf because I like taking guys 48 00:02:53,919 --> 00:02:56,880 Speaker 1: like Sehethagala to win at a hundred to one like 49 00:02:56,960 --> 00:02:59,480 Speaker 1: last week, or Harold Varner who's kind of in the 50 00:02:59,520 --> 00:03:02,280 Speaker 1: mix until he wasn't. He might go to live, which 51 00:03:02,320 --> 00:03:07,080 Speaker 1: which sucks. But at golopod follow me on there on Instagram, 52 00:03:07,120 --> 00:03:09,720 Speaker 1: and I'll continue to do golf content even throughout the 53 00:03:09,720 --> 00:03:14,440 Speaker 1: football season, probably until we make it to next year. Um, 54 00:03:14,480 --> 00:03:17,000 Speaker 1: you know, and golf kind of starts back up because 55 00:03:17,280 --> 00:03:21,200 Speaker 1: this fall season now moving forward, isn't that important now 56 00:03:21,240 --> 00:03:23,639 Speaker 1: technically this year, I guess it kind of is, but 57 00:03:24,360 --> 00:03:26,600 Speaker 1: I guess we could start there with the Tiger Woods meeting. 58 00:03:28,360 --> 00:03:30,840 Speaker 1: One issue I have with this whole situation, and I 59 00:03:30,880 --> 00:03:35,520 Speaker 1: don't necessarily blame all the players, but they're the reason 60 00:03:35,600 --> 00:03:39,240 Speaker 1: that we're all in this situation. Everyone got so fat 61 00:03:39,280 --> 00:03:43,160 Speaker 1: and happy. All the top golfers help. The hundredth ranked 62 00:03:43,280 --> 00:03:47,000 Speaker 1: golfer right now makes over a million dollars, and he's 63 00:03:47,040 --> 00:03:51,400 Speaker 1: completely irrelevant. All the top guys are worth millions upon 64 00:03:51,520 --> 00:03:54,880 Speaker 1: millions of dollars. Probably the top fifteen are worth over 65 00:03:54,920 --> 00:03:58,960 Speaker 1: a hundred the top thirty have you know, twenty thirty 66 00:03:59,040 --> 00:04:02,680 Speaker 1: forty million dollars in the bank. These guys are filthy rich. 67 00:04:03,080 --> 00:04:06,200 Speaker 1: So everything with Live and now with these Tiger ideas 68 00:04:06,240 --> 00:04:09,520 Speaker 1: are just rich guys getting richer, which I am. I'm 69 00:04:09,560 --> 00:04:14,040 Speaker 1: as pro money and pro generating money and pro doing 70 00:04:14,080 --> 00:04:17,280 Speaker 1: deals as anyone that you will find that talks for 71 00:04:17,320 --> 00:04:20,000 Speaker 1: a living. I have nothing in common with the media 72 00:04:20,040 --> 00:04:24,360 Speaker 1: of resenting business. I celebrated. The problem though, is like 73 00:04:24,440 --> 00:04:27,480 Speaker 1: for football, for example, Josh Allen and Patrick Mahomes this 74 00:04:27,560 --> 00:04:30,599 Speaker 1: year will make it combine like ninety million dollars. Yet 75 00:04:30,640 --> 00:04:33,960 Speaker 1: when they the Bills play the Chiefs, it never crosses 76 00:04:34,000 --> 00:04:36,520 Speaker 1: your mind that, like, these guys aren't laying it all 77 00:04:36,560 --> 00:04:39,599 Speaker 1: on the line this game. Whether it's week too, whether 78 00:04:39,640 --> 00:04:42,599 Speaker 1: it's Week ten, whether it's the second round of the playoffs, 79 00:04:42,920 --> 00:04:46,880 Speaker 1: it means everything to them. Yet in golf, when you 80 00:04:46,880 --> 00:04:49,240 Speaker 1: watch some of these events, these no cut events with 81 00:04:49,400 --> 00:04:51,960 Speaker 1: just the top guys, you go kind of like last 82 00:04:51,960 --> 00:04:55,240 Speaker 1: week watching Can't Lay win, it did nothing for me, 83 00:04:55,480 --> 00:04:58,560 Speaker 1: And maybe part of it is the live I just 84 00:04:58,600 --> 00:05:01,240 Speaker 1: felt like it was meaningless. It's like, this is just 85 00:05:01,360 --> 00:05:04,520 Speaker 1: a top player who's already super rich winning a tournament 86 00:05:04,520 --> 00:05:07,080 Speaker 1: where he couldn't get cut against a bunch of other 87 00:05:07,160 --> 00:05:09,320 Speaker 1: top guys. I was actually kind of rooting for Scott 88 00:05:09,360 --> 00:05:11,279 Speaker 1: Stealings to win, just because it would be pretty cool 89 00:05:11,279 --> 00:05:14,120 Speaker 1: for him to win this cash, this money. Whether can't 90 00:05:14,160 --> 00:05:17,440 Speaker 1: a wins or gets third, who cares? Why does it matter? 91 00:05:17,560 --> 00:05:21,080 Speaker 1: And ultimately here's the answer, it doesn't matter. Like this week, 92 00:05:21,279 --> 00:05:23,760 Speaker 1: I love Scottie Scheffler, I like watching him play golf. 93 00:05:24,080 --> 00:05:26,440 Speaker 1: If he wins this week and wins eighteen million dollars 94 00:05:26,520 --> 00:05:29,279 Speaker 1: like it just won't do anything to me. To me, 95 00:05:29,400 --> 00:05:32,080 Speaker 1: the last time that these playoffs really mattered to me 96 00:05:32,279 --> 00:05:35,440 Speaker 1: was when Tiger won it because it symbolized his comeback, 97 00:05:35,760 --> 00:05:38,280 Speaker 1: not because I got joy of watching him win money. 98 00:05:38,320 --> 00:05:42,080 Speaker 1: I actually don't care. Now. Ultimately, pro golf is you 99 00:05:42,160 --> 00:05:44,880 Speaker 1: play golf to win money. But when we saw a 100 00:05:44,920 --> 00:05:46,680 Speaker 1: couple of weeks ago when Ivan talk since he won. 101 00:05:46,920 --> 00:05:51,080 Speaker 1: When Will's Allators won his first PGA golf tournament and 102 00:05:51,200 --> 00:05:54,160 Speaker 1: cried on the third playoff hole of that like island Green, 103 00:05:54,240 --> 00:05:56,200 Speaker 1: after getting pretty lucky that he didn't go in the water, 104 00:05:56,520 --> 00:06:00,400 Speaker 1: hugging his fiance. You're like, this is cool. This adders 105 00:06:00,400 --> 00:06:03,640 Speaker 1: to him now. Ultimately he won two point seven million 106 00:06:03,680 --> 00:06:06,520 Speaker 1: dollars that day, and the money never came up because 107 00:06:06,520 --> 00:06:09,320 Speaker 1: it was about winning the golf tournament. And that's one 108 00:06:09,360 --> 00:06:12,120 Speaker 1: thing Live just kind of lacks right. You watch them play. 109 00:06:12,279 --> 00:06:14,840 Speaker 1: What are they playing for? Just wads of cash? Which 110 00:06:14,880 --> 00:06:17,160 Speaker 1: is cool for them, but for me as the consumer 111 00:06:17,480 --> 00:06:21,520 Speaker 1: and ultimately pro sports now are a TV product and 112 00:06:21,520 --> 00:06:23,359 Speaker 1: we have to be interested. Part of the reason the 113 00:06:23,480 --> 00:06:27,239 Speaker 1: NFL has lapped every single sport is because every single 114 00:06:27,240 --> 00:06:29,919 Speaker 1: one of their games matters, that there has something on 115 00:06:29,960 --> 00:06:32,680 Speaker 1: the line. College football is the second biggest sport. Why 116 00:06:32,720 --> 00:06:35,720 Speaker 1: every game matters, Every game matters to the players. You 117 00:06:35,760 --> 00:06:37,920 Speaker 1: get the best efforts. Doesn't mean every game is good, 118 00:06:38,240 --> 00:06:40,159 Speaker 1: but you never go into a week, you never go 119 00:06:40,240 --> 00:06:43,240 Speaker 1: into a matchup where you don't think this means everything 120 00:06:43,279 --> 00:06:46,240 Speaker 1: to both sides. Now, sometimes like week eighteen, if you 121 00:06:46,279 --> 00:06:49,120 Speaker 1: have the division. You know what I mean though, And 122 00:06:49,160 --> 00:06:51,960 Speaker 1: that's the thing that golf. If Tiger and Rory get 123 00:06:52,000 --> 00:06:54,159 Speaker 1: their way of doing these extra events with just the 124 00:06:54,200 --> 00:06:57,240 Speaker 1: top players, no cut events, they basically just copied it 125 00:06:57,279 --> 00:06:59,600 Speaker 1: from Live. Me and sobl will talk about that later, 126 00:07:00,160 --> 00:07:03,920 Speaker 1: and it's just all just money grabs, which I'm fine with. 127 00:07:04,320 --> 00:07:06,520 Speaker 1: But the only reason you're doing this is because Live 128 00:07:06,600 --> 00:07:09,039 Speaker 1: came along and you just finding him off. Why weren't 129 00:07:09,040 --> 00:07:10,920 Speaker 1: you thinking like this a couple of years ago, of 130 00:07:10,960 --> 00:07:14,200 Speaker 1: ways to pay these guys in a different manner. I 131 00:07:14,200 --> 00:07:17,920 Speaker 1: I just hope that golf doesn't turn boring. Part of 132 00:07:17,960 --> 00:07:21,240 Speaker 1: what makes golf awesome is that on a given week, 133 00:07:21,360 --> 00:07:23,960 Speaker 1: you could have Zander Shoffley, you can have Patrick Cantley, 134 00:07:24,000 --> 00:07:27,000 Speaker 1: you can have Scottie Scheffler going toe to toe with 135 00:07:27,080 --> 00:07:30,200 Speaker 1: Sahith the Gala. You can be watching a major in 136 00:07:30,240 --> 00:07:32,280 Speaker 1: this guy a couple of years ago you've never heard of, 137 00:07:32,600 --> 00:07:35,280 Speaker 1: Will Zala Torus is in the mix to win it. 138 00:07:35,280 --> 00:07:39,160 Speaker 1: It's top players battling unknown guys. Right, you need your 139 00:07:39,160 --> 00:07:40,800 Speaker 1: top players to be in the mix. But it's also 140 00:07:40,800 --> 00:07:43,480 Speaker 1: cool to be like, who's this the Gala character? And 141 00:07:43,520 --> 00:07:45,680 Speaker 1: all of a sudden he's punching above his weight a 142 00:07:45,720 --> 00:07:48,280 Speaker 1: couple of years ago. Who the hell is this Scotty 143 00:07:48,360 --> 00:07:51,920 Speaker 1: Scheffler character? And it kind of makes you invested, well 144 00:07:51,920 --> 00:07:53,840 Speaker 1: now if it's just top guys planning for a bunch 145 00:07:53,840 --> 00:07:56,440 Speaker 1: of money. I love golf. I love playing golf, I 146 00:07:56,480 --> 00:07:59,000 Speaker 1: love watching golf. I love gambling on golf. But I 147 00:07:59,040 --> 00:08:02,760 Speaker 1: also enjoy Sundays. It's what separates right now, the PGA 148 00:08:02,800 --> 00:08:06,960 Speaker 1: Tour overlived live cannot bring to the table that wills 149 00:08:07,000 --> 00:08:09,480 Speaker 1: Ala Tours moment. They don't have that in the bag, 150 00:08:09,520 --> 00:08:12,800 Speaker 1: and guess what, they never will. It's impossible because every 151 00:08:12,840 --> 00:08:15,120 Speaker 1: guy they have on the tour is already rich, so 152 00:08:15,320 --> 00:08:17,680 Speaker 1: they can't do that. But if that's kind of what 153 00:08:17,720 --> 00:08:20,920 Speaker 1: the PGA Tour turns into, I mean, why are there 154 00:08:21,000 --> 00:08:23,640 Speaker 1: any of us supposed to care? And all I want 155 00:08:23,680 --> 00:08:27,920 Speaker 1: to do is consume and watch golf, good golf, meaningful golf. 156 00:08:27,960 --> 00:08:30,600 Speaker 1: And I just get a little nervous because I don't 157 00:08:30,640 --> 00:08:33,920 Speaker 1: blame Tiger and Rory for thinking of these guys these ideas. 158 00:08:33,920 --> 00:08:36,400 Speaker 1: It's the only way to keep all these guys from going. 159 00:08:36,440 --> 00:08:39,199 Speaker 1: They have to do it. But like I said, everyone 160 00:08:39,240 --> 00:08:41,600 Speaker 1: involved Jardon with Jay and the top players, they all 161 00:08:41,640 --> 00:08:44,080 Speaker 1: got fat and happy, and then the saddis came around 162 00:08:44,080 --> 00:08:47,640 Speaker 1: and rattled some cages and change the game. And whether 163 00:08:47,679 --> 00:08:50,360 Speaker 1: you like it or not, it's never going back. It 164 00:08:50,480 --> 00:08:53,640 Speaker 1: just isn't. And you can say, well, look at these 165 00:08:53,640 --> 00:08:56,640 Speaker 1: other sports. Baseball players getting forty million dollars, Steph Curry 166 00:08:56,640 --> 00:08:59,040 Speaker 1: gets fifty million dollars. I just know when I watched 167 00:08:59,080 --> 00:09:01,800 Speaker 1: these guys, they of me everything they have, and that 168 00:09:01,880 --> 00:09:05,040 Speaker 1: just makes me nervous. If in golf, that will not 169 00:09:05,200 --> 00:09:08,120 Speaker 1: happen because listen, say what you want about Brandell Shamblee 170 00:09:08,200 --> 00:09:11,280 Speaker 1: as he's getting sued by Patrick Reid, which feels like 171 00:09:11,320 --> 00:09:15,000 Speaker 1: a pretty uh hail Mary lawsuit by old Patrick and 172 00:09:15,040 --> 00:09:17,720 Speaker 1: his wife. But Brando brought up a point that in 173 00:09:17,760 --> 00:09:20,520 Speaker 1: other sports, right, if I'm Tom Brady and I'm making 174 00:09:20,559 --> 00:09:23,480 Speaker 1: thirty forty million dollars a year, if I suck for 175 00:09:23,600 --> 00:09:26,640 Speaker 1: a year or two, they will draft my replacement. How 176 00:09:26,679 --> 00:09:30,760 Speaker 1: Belichick once did Jimmy Garoppolo. If in baseball, I I 177 00:09:30,920 --> 00:09:33,520 Speaker 1: hit one hundred back to back years, even if I'm 178 00:09:33,520 --> 00:09:35,040 Speaker 1: making a lot of money, I will get thrown to 179 00:09:35,080 --> 00:09:37,960 Speaker 1: the bench or bought out. Russell Westbrook can't hit the 180 00:09:37,960 --> 00:09:40,840 Speaker 1: broadside of a barn He couldn't hit water if he 181 00:09:40,880 --> 00:09:43,000 Speaker 1: was sitting in a boat. Do you know what's gonna happen. 182 00:09:43,080 --> 00:09:45,520 Speaker 1: The Lakers are going to cut him, They're gonna buy 183 00:09:45,600 --> 00:09:48,440 Speaker 1: him out, They're gonna trade him and just just get 184 00:09:48,520 --> 00:09:51,600 Speaker 1: rid of them. But in golf, like Phil Mickelson is 185 00:09:51,679 --> 00:09:54,000 Speaker 1: got awful right now, He's getting that two hundred million 186 00:09:54,040 --> 00:09:57,080 Speaker 1: dollars and and I get like there he brought more 187 00:09:57,120 --> 00:09:59,079 Speaker 1: to the table with name recognition and kind of open 188 00:09:59,160 --> 00:10:02,520 Speaker 1: the floodgates. But uh, it just makes me nervous kind 189 00:10:02,520 --> 00:10:05,160 Speaker 1: of where we're headed. And speaking of what gives me joy, 190 00:10:05,600 --> 00:10:09,160 Speaker 1: that salatorius moment, the moment of watching the US Amateur 191 00:10:09,320 --> 00:10:12,880 Speaker 1: those guys win it. Obviously Ben Carr when the semifinals 192 00:10:12,880 --> 00:10:15,320 Speaker 1: and crying talking about his dad and the ball marker, 193 00:10:15,840 --> 00:10:19,360 Speaker 1: like you just there is something special about the game 194 00:10:19,360 --> 00:10:21,600 Speaker 1: of golf when there's a lot on the line. When 195 00:10:21,640 --> 00:10:25,720 Speaker 1: I am playing for something that's bigger than myself. Now 196 00:10:25,800 --> 00:10:28,520 Speaker 1: usually on the pro tour, that means I I win 197 00:10:28,559 --> 00:10:30,480 Speaker 1: a huge tournament I went on with Palmer, and I 198 00:10:30,480 --> 00:10:32,839 Speaker 1: get a couple of million bucks. Right, I win a major, 199 00:10:32,920 --> 00:10:35,959 Speaker 1: I become a legend, and I get paid in amateur golf. 200 00:10:35,960 --> 00:10:38,040 Speaker 1: What's kind of cool about it? Now? N I l 201 00:10:38,200 --> 00:10:40,320 Speaker 1: these guys. I would imagine Sam Bennett, the dude that 202 00:10:40,320 --> 00:10:42,600 Speaker 1: won the US Amateur of Texas, A and M. He's 203 00:10:42,600 --> 00:10:45,160 Speaker 1: getting some cash. So it's not like these guys are poor. 204 00:10:45,240 --> 00:10:47,800 Speaker 1: Let's face it, golf the socio economic backgrounds and some 205 00:10:47,800 --> 00:10:50,920 Speaker 1: of these individuals tend to lean with. These guys aren't hurting. 206 00:10:51,360 --> 00:10:54,760 Speaker 1: This is not some of the team sports. But there 207 00:10:54,840 --> 00:10:58,080 Speaker 1: was a genuine element to go, like it really matters 208 00:10:58,120 --> 00:11:02,720 Speaker 1: to these guys. These guys are laying for history and listen, like, 209 00:11:02,800 --> 00:11:06,480 Speaker 1: I'm pretty numb to sports. They don't mean nearly as 210 00:11:06,559 --> 00:11:08,280 Speaker 1: much as they used to when I was a kid 211 00:11:08,760 --> 00:11:11,520 Speaker 1: because there's money involved. So I'm kind of numb to 212 00:11:11,600 --> 00:11:15,120 Speaker 1: it all. But I still get a lot of joy 213 00:11:15,200 --> 00:11:17,760 Speaker 1: when you watch someone kick a game winning field goal, 214 00:11:18,080 --> 00:11:22,040 Speaker 1: right when someone wins a US Amateur, when Will's alators 215 00:11:22,120 --> 00:11:25,959 Speaker 1: is hugging his fiance and crying because he finally won 216 00:11:26,120 --> 00:11:30,360 Speaker 1: a PGA Tour event. Hell, the highlight of last week 217 00:11:30,360 --> 00:11:32,960 Speaker 1: in the PGA Tour was not Patrick can't Ley winning. 218 00:11:33,160 --> 00:11:35,720 Speaker 1: He is a great player. He is boring as a mother. 219 00:11:36,160 --> 00:11:39,120 Speaker 1: He puts me to sleep, he'll put anyone to sleep. 220 00:11:39,440 --> 00:11:43,439 Speaker 1: He's extremely He's a nap. You watch Patrick can't Ley, 221 00:11:43,600 --> 00:11:47,600 Speaker 1: he forces you to nap. Yet Sehita Gala, who came 222 00:11:47,600 --> 00:11:49,600 Speaker 1: out of nowhere no one had heard of unless you 223 00:11:49,640 --> 00:11:54,040 Speaker 1: follow amateur and collegiate golf, to make the Tour championship 224 00:11:54,400 --> 00:11:56,040 Speaker 1: and just see what it meant to him and how 225 00:11:56,120 --> 00:11:57,640 Speaker 1: much he had on the line and talking about how 226 00:11:57,679 --> 00:11:59,680 Speaker 1: nervous he was and how it's good to feel that way. 227 00:12:00,120 --> 00:12:02,880 Speaker 1: I thought was really cool. And those are the moments 228 00:12:02,920 --> 00:12:06,800 Speaker 1: that I just wonder if we start losing as the 229 00:12:06,920 --> 00:12:10,240 Speaker 1: golf trends, just money, money, money, money, money, money, money, money. 230 00:12:10,280 --> 00:12:12,880 Speaker 1: That's the thing that like basketball and football, but let's 231 00:12:12,920 --> 00:12:16,280 Speaker 1: just speak with football, because they're dominating. Guys have never 232 00:12:16,320 --> 00:12:19,559 Speaker 1: made more money, yet it feels like they've carried just 233 00:12:19,640 --> 00:12:22,200 Speaker 1: as much as they've always cared where I just wonder 234 00:12:22,280 --> 00:12:24,719 Speaker 1: with golf, if we're headed to an area, where are 235 00:12:24,760 --> 00:12:26,400 Speaker 1: they are they going to care in the same amount? 236 00:12:26,800 --> 00:12:30,439 Speaker 1: And if they don't, we lose his consumers and ultimately 237 00:12:30,679 --> 00:12:32,600 Speaker 1: that sucks. 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Well, 267 00:14:20,560 --> 00:14:22,680 Speaker 1: we've been off for a couple of weeks, and uh, 268 00:14:22,760 --> 00:14:25,560 Speaker 1: things have gotten weird. Then they got less weird, and 269 00:14:25,600 --> 00:14:27,400 Speaker 1: now they feel like they're still up in the air. 270 00:14:27,600 --> 00:14:29,520 Speaker 1: I was listening a couple of weeks ago, driving home 271 00:14:29,520 --> 00:14:31,960 Speaker 1: from forty nine or practice to my man Jason Sobel 272 00:14:32,400 --> 00:14:36,240 Speaker 1: with ESPN Caddy right behind him. Michael Collins is hugging 273 00:14:36,240 --> 00:14:38,120 Speaker 1: everybody and so we'll screaming out of them all to 274 00:14:38,160 --> 00:14:40,280 Speaker 1: get away. So it feels like you've got a good 275 00:14:40,360 --> 00:14:43,280 Speaker 1: yin and yang out there of seriousness locked in for 276 00:14:43,320 --> 00:14:47,440 Speaker 1: the golf tournament and screwing around. Sobel my man, Uh, 277 00:14:47,640 --> 00:14:51,560 Speaker 1: you've been riding these playoff events. How's life? Life is good? Yeah, 278 00:14:51,600 --> 00:14:53,440 Speaker 1: we're like having some fun out here doing the show. 279 00:14:53,520 --> 00:14:56,600 Speaker 1: So uh, life is good, life is busy, life is crazy. 280 00:14:57,040 --> 00:15:00,080 Speaker 1: I am really excited to have the season over to 281 00:15:00,200 --> 00:15:02,320 Speaker 1: this week and at least we get like two weeks 282 00:15:02,320 --> 00:15:05,440 Speaker 1: of downtime between seasons where we get to like watch 283 00:15:05,440 --> 00:15:07,560 Speaker 1: a little football and the weather gets a little cooler. 284 00:15:07,600 --> 00:15:10,480 Speaker 1: And I'm telling you, I have never looked forward to 285 00:15:10,640 --> 00:15:13,080 Speaker 1: a very quick offseason as much as I am this year. 286 00:15:13,800 --> 00:15:16,080 Speaker 1: I feel you. I guess before we dive into a 287 00:15:16,120 --> 00:15:18,080 Speaker 1: lot of the news that's been coming out the last 288 00:15:18,120 --> 00:15:21,200 Speaker 1: six seven days, I haven't talked to you since Wolves 289 00:15:21,200 --> 00:15:24,840 Speaker 1: out Tours one, and uh, listen, we can say and 290 00:15:24,880 --> 00:15:28,080 Speaker 1: obviously the US Amateur just happened. I think one of 291 00:15:28,080 --> 00:15:30,400 Speaker 1: the biggest beaks with Live is they're just not gonna 292 00:15:30,480 --> 00:15:33,120 Speaker 1: get that. I mean that that was un Let's will 293 00:15:33,160 --> 00:15:36,000 Speaker 1: want two point seven million dollars. He was already a millionaire, 294 00:15:36,480 --> 00:15:39,360 Speaker 1: But that was a pretty genuine cool moment that that 295 00:15:39,480 --> 00:15:42,200 Speaker 1: the PGA Tour on Sundays has provided. You know, I'm 296 00:15:42,200 --> 00:15:44,680 Speaker 1: thirty seven years old, my entire life. You know, guys 297 00:15:44,720 --> 00:15:47,800 Speaker 1: getting their first win. That was pretty special. That was 298 00:15:47,840 --> 00:15:51,080 Speaker 1: pretty awesome, was it not, Johnny? We watch golf to 299 00:15:51,160 --> 00:15:53,840 Speaker 1: see lives being changed on the back nine of a 300 00:15:53,880 --> 00:15:56,840 Speaker 1: Sunday afternoon. I mean, as fans, this is why we're 301 00:15:56,840 --> 00:16:00,160 Speaker 1: tuning in. This is why we love watching major championships US. 302 00:16:00,440 --> 00:16:03,520 Speaker 1: We know that whatever happens on a major championship Sunday, 303 00:16:03,800 --> 00:16:07,680 Speaker 1: someone's life is going to be changed based on that result. 304 00:16:08,200 --> 00:16:10,480 Speaker 1: And what you're not getting it Live is that. And 305 00:16:10,560 --> 00:16:12,480 Speaker 1: quite frankly, and I know we're gonna get into it, 306 00:16:12,680 --> 00:16:15,360 Speaker 1: but this proposal that Tiger and Rory and some of 307 00:16:15,400 --> 00:16:19,200 Speaker 1: the game's elite players have come up essentially mirroring what 308 00:16:19,320 --> 00:16:21,680 Speaker 1: Live has done, saying hey, we're gonna take the best 309 00:16:21,680 --> 00:16:23,920 Speaker 1: of the best, and we're gonna have these limited field, 310 00:16:23,960 --> 00:16:26,920 Speaker 1: no cut events and play fifteen eighteen of them in 311 00:16:26,960 --> 00:16:30,480 Speaker 1: a year. Essentially, they seem just like exhibitions. If you're 312 00:16:30,480 --> 00:16:33,760 Speaker 1: gonna criticize Live for looking like exhibitions, you've got to 313 00:16:33,800 --> 00:16:37,400 Speaker 1: criticize this as well. It seems like a copycat strategy, 314 00:16:37,720 --> 00:16:40,520 Speaker 1: and quite frankly, we as fans are not gonna see 315 00:16:40,520 --> 00:16:44,520 Speaker 1: anyone's lives being changed in that type of format, and 316 00:16:44,520 --> 00:16:46,960 Speaker 1: and I think golf at some point tends to eat 317 00:16:47,000 --> 00:16:49,600 Speaker 1: itself from the inside where I get it. Look, I 318 00:16:49,640 --> 00:16:51,640 Speaker 1: have no problem with players making more money. I have 319 00:16:51,680 --> 00:16:54,200 Speaker 1: no problem with players trying to make more money. I 320 00:16:54,240 --> 00:16:56,920 Speaker 1: have no problem with anybody wanting and trying to make 321 00:16:56,960 --> 00:17:00,200 Speaker 1: more money in their profession. That said, the fans are 322 00:17:00,200 --> 00:17:01,880 Speaker 1: going to be the big loser in this thing, because 323 00:17:01,880 --> 00:17:04,800 Speaker 1: I do believe that if this comes to pass, we're 324 00:17:04,840 --> 00:17:09,240 Speaker 1: gonna have two major leagues, the PGA Tour and Live Golf, 325 00:17:09,320 --> 00:17:12,280 Speaker 1: each of which plays sort of just sort of no cut, 326 00:17:12,359 --> 00:17:16,000 Speaker 1: limited field events where the rich get richer, and no 327 00:17:16,080 --> 00:17:18,480 Speaker 1: one at the end of this thing is bawling their 328 00:17:18,480 --> 00:17:20,959 Speaker 1: eyes out. No one is hugging their kids so tightly 329 00:17:21,040 --> 00:17:23,760 Speaker 1: because their lives have been changed. And so the fans, 330 00:17:23,800 --> 00:17:26,960 Speaker 1: I think, go scrambling for something that gives us that 331 00:17:27,080 --> 00:17:30,040 Speaker 1: visceral reaction. Maybe you go to the Corn Ferry Tour, 332 00:17:30,160 --> 00:17:32,440 Speaker 1: you go to the US Amateur, you go to other 333 00:17:32,520 --> 00:17:37,040 Speaker 1: events because you want to watch somebody's somebody's life changing moment. 334 00:17:37,080 --> 00:17:39,439 Speaker 1: And I don't know that you're getting that in these 335 00:17:40,040 --> 00:17:44,600 Speaker 1: in these no cut events, all due respect to Patrick Kntley, 336 00:17:44,640 --> 00:17:48,520 Speaker 1: who won a sixty eight player field BMW Championship last week. 337 00:17:48,840 --> 00:17:51,000 Speaker 1: He was already one of the world's best golfers. He 338 00:17:51,119 --> 00:17:53,280 Speaker 1: already had a whole lot of money. Now he's still 339 00:17:53,280 --> 00:17:54,920 Speaker 1: one of the world's best golfers. He still has a 340 00:17:54,920 --> 00:17:57,720 Speaker 1: whole lot of money. It was a great win. Congratulations 341 00:17:57,760 --> 00:18:00,280 Speaker 1: to him. It's not life changing. So when we're laying 342 00:18:00,280 --> 00:18:02,800 Speaker 1: on our couch on a Sunday afternoon, we watched and 343 00:18:02,840 --> 00:18:04,760 Speaker 1: we said, Okay, that was cool. Good for him, But 344 00:18:05,000 --> 00:18:09,040 Speaker 1: it's not. It's not it's not getting into our emotional 345 00:18:09,080 --> 00:18:13,400 Speaker 1: pores the same way that some other events too. Why 346 00:18:13,480 --> 00:18:15,159 Speaker 1: I turned it off or I flipped it to the 347 00:18:15,280 --> 00:18:18,040 Speaker 1: US Amateur because Pator can't lay. Well, let's face it, 348 00:18:18,440 --> 00:18:21,640 Speaker 1: him winning, losing whatever, did nothing for me emotionally. When 349 00:18:21,680 --> 00:18:24,840 Speaker 1: you factor in the tournament the cash, it just and 350 00:18:24,920 --> 00:18:28,280 Speaker 1: I'm pro these like you making money last week Tiger comes, 351 00:18:28,320 --> 00:18:31,040 Speaker 1: you're on the grounds. Uh. It took a little while 352 00:18:31,119 --> 00:18:33,520 Speaker 1: for Yeah, I'm sure a lot of you guys knew 353 00:18:33,600 --> 00:18:36,880 Speaker 1: some of the information, but once the wrong information leaked, 354 00:18:36,880 --> 00:18:39,119 Speaker 1: it felt like the players in that meeting wanted to 355 00:18:39,160 --> 00:18:42,480 Speaker 1: push the correct information out. Tell me what you know 356 00:18:42,720 --> 00:18:45,119 Speaker 1: where it's headed in kind of the the buzz of 357 00:18:45,160 --> 00:18:47,800 Speaker 1: being around these guys, them talking about their agents and 358 00:18:47,800 --> 00:18:51,239 Speaker 1: their caddies. Yeah, so, I I know everyone wants to 359 00:18:51,280 --> 00:18:55,080 Speaker 1: turn this thing into PGA Tour versus live golf steel 360 00:18:55,119 --> 00:18:57,960 Speaker 1: cage match. Let's, you know, a war of the words 361 00:18:58,000 --> 00:19:00,479 Speaker 1: and going back and forth. This is first of all, 362 00:19:00,560 --> 00:19:02,320 Speaker 1: is gonna be settled in courts, and it might take 363 00:19:02,400 --> 00:19:04,560 Speaker 1: years for it to be settled in the courts. I 364 00:19:04,600 --> 00:19:07,440 Speaker 1: know the next court date for this lawsuit that's ongoing 365 00:19:07,560 --> 00:19:11,199 Speaker 1: is something like January four. I mean, who knows what 366 00:19:11,240 --> 00:19:13,879 Speaker 1: the golf world is gonna look like by then. Secondly, 367 00:19:14,320 --> 00:19:17,280 Speaker 1: it's gonna devolve into things like the PGA too, are 368 00:19:17,280 --> 00:19:20,720 Speaker 1: looking into it's not for profit status and whether it 369 00:19:20,720 --> 00:19:23,440 Speaker 1: should change from being a five oh one C six. 370 00:19:23,440 --> 00:19:26,359 Speaker 1: I had a long discussion with Rory mclory about it 371 00:19:26,400 --> 00:19:29,040 Speaker 1: a couple of months ago, and Rory said, look, if 372 00:19:29,040 --> 00:19:32,440 Speaker 1: we're starting the PGA Tour now, we would probably never 373 00:19:33,080 --> 00:19:37,600 Speaker 1: be a nonprofit organization. But it's really difficult to just 374 00:19:37,720 --> 00:19:40,520 Speaker 1: you can't just flip the switch and go from nonprofit 375 00:19:40,560 --> 00:19:43,680 Speaker 1: to for profit and take this private equity money which 376 00:19:43,720 --> 00:19:46,560 Speaker 1: is available for us but how do we do that 377 00:19:46,640 --> 00:19:48,800 Speaker 1: and how do we change And so I think those 378 00:19:48,800 --> 00:19:50,879 Speaker 1: are the things that are looking into. Doesn't make for 379 00:19:50,960 --> 00:19:54,679 Speaker 1: great sports radio talk, doesn't make for great podcast discussion 380 00:19:54,720 --> 00:19:57,080 Speaker 1: when you know it's things like, hey, should it be 381 00:19:57,160 --> 00:19:59,640 Speaker 1: a not for profit or a for profit status? And 382 00:20:00,040 --> 00:20:02,159 Speaker 1: does it mean for taxes and things like that. I 383 00:20:02,160 --> 00:20:05,600 Speaker 1: don't know. It's it's not as much of the hot 384 00:20:05,640 --> 00:20:07,800 Speaker 1: button issues that we've had in the past. But look, 385 00:20:07,920 --> 00:20:10,440 Speaker 1: this thing's gonna continue. I do think there's gonna be 386 00:20:10,440 --> 00:20:12,200 Speaker 1: a little bit of a stop gap. We're gonna see 387 00:20:12,600 --> 00:20:15,399 Speaker 1: I think somewhere between six and eight players leave the 388 00:20:15,400 --> 00:20:19,960 Speaker 1: PGA Tour four Live Golf, perhaps as soon as Monday 389 00:20:20,040 --> 00:20:23,480 Speaker 1: of next week. And after that, I do think there's 390 00:20:23,480 --> 00:20:25,359 Speaker 1: gonna be a little bit of a holding pattern where 391 00:20:25,560 --> 00:20:28,359 Speaker 1: we probably don't see much afterwards, at least not until 392 00:20:28,359 --> 00:20:31,479 Speaker 1: next year. Well, you know, I'm not in the business 393 00:20:31,480 --> 00:20:33,800 Speaker 1: of speculating. Well, I kind of am. So I think 394 00:20:33,840 --> 00:20:36,600 Speaker 1: we all agree that the camp's miss gone. You know 395 00:20:36,800 --> 00:20:39,399 Speaker 1: that these rumors on Hadeki he was good as gone. 396 00:20:39,440 --> 00:20:42,880 Speaker 1: Now they might be reconsidering. I was texting with someone yesterday, 397 00:20:42,920 --> 00:20:45,200 Speaker 1: said Harold Varner. But MJ has been trying to talk 398 00:20:45,280 --> 00:20:47,320 Speaker 1: him out of it, and to me, the tour does 399 00:20:47,359 --> 00:20:49,399 Speaker 1: not want to lose a guy like Harold Varner and 400 00:20:49,400 --> 00:20:53,520 Speaker 1: obviously Hadeki, but Hadeki wasn't in the Tiger meeting. You know, 401 00:20:53,640 --> 00:20:57,240 Speaker 1: Leishman is going with camp Smith. It feels like it's 402 00:20:57,280 --> 00:20:59,840 Speaker 1: been widely reported the seven guys. So I'm doing the math, 403 00:20:59,880 --> 00:21:02,280 Speaker 1: like who are the seven guys? If you just take 404 00:21:02,320 --> 00:21:05,040 Speaker 1: cam Smith and Leashman and it's do you believe that 405 00:21:05,080 --> 00:21:07,000 Speaker 1: Harold Varner will be gone in the next couple of weeks. 406 00:21:07,680 --> 00:21:09,959 Speaker 1: He's one that I keep hearing is going back and 407 00:21:10,000 --> 00:21:12,639 Speaker 1: forth on it. I don't know. He's been rumored, uh 408 00:21:12,680 --> 00:21:15,240 Speaker 1: for months on this thing. At some point about a 409 00:21:15,280 --> 00:21:19,200 Speaker 1: month ago, said no, I'm not going. But apparently whether 410 00:21:19,280 --> 00:21:22,640 Speaker 1: it's a bigger offer, whether he's rethought it, apparently his 411 00:21:22,720 --> 00:21:25,760 Speaker 1: name is back in the ring. There's there's one or 412 00:21:25,800 --> 00:21:27,680 Speaker 1: two names. They're just sort of out there. They're not 413 00:21:27,720 --> 00:21:30,000 Speaker 1: even big names, sort of like that's a weird one, 414 00:21:30,240 --> 00:21:33,760 Speaker 1: sort of Charles Howell the third was one where I 415 00:21:33,800 --> 00:21:35,320 Speaker 1: thought that was just a weird one. You know, an 416 00:21:35,359 --> 00:21:38,280 Speaker 1: American player who's he's been around for a long time 417 00:21:38,320 --> 00:21:40,560 Speaker 1: and okay, just have to make more money, and wasn't 418 00:21:40,560 --> 00:21:43,639 Speaker 1: a guy that's playing for legacy out here players of 419 00:21:43,760 --> 00:21:47,120 Speaker 1: that ILK. I will say, if all the names are 420 00:21:47,160 --> 00:21:50,159 Speaker 1: correct that i've heard John, the international team for the 421 00:21:50,200 --> 00:21:53,200 Speaker 1: upcoming President's Cup, which is only three or four weeks away, 422 00:21:53,320 --> 00:21:55,560 Speaker 1: is going to be decimated. I don't know what the 423 00:21:55,680 --> 00:21:58,119 Speaker 1: roster is going to look like if all these guys 424 00:21:58,400 --> 00:22:00,520 Speaker 1: are going over there and the other. And again we're 425 00:22:00,520 --> 00:22:03,200 Speaker 1: talking rumors, we're talking gossip. But the other thing I've 426 00:22:03,200 --> 00:22:05,960 Speaker 1: heard is that some of these players are saying, Hey, 427 00:22:06,200 --> 00:22:08,200 Speaker 1: we'll go to Live. We'll sign with you guys, but 428 00:22:08,640 --> 00:22:10,920 Speaker 1: we want to play the President's Cup first. We want 429 00:22:10,960 --> 00:22:14,000 Speaker 1: to honor that commitment, and Live is essentially throwing more 430 00:22:14,000 --> 00:22:17,120 Speaker 1: money at them, saying we'd like to take you as 431 00:22:17,160 --> 00:22:19,760 Speaker 1: soon as possible. We want you playing in Boston next week, 432 00:22:20,040 --> 00:22:22,240 Speaker 1: and we want to disrupt the President's Cup, which is 433 00:22:22,280 --> 00:22:25,320 Speaker 1: of course own and run by the p G a tour, 434 00:22:25,400 --> 00:22:29,760 Speaker 1: so they want to make that thing. Um, they want 435 00:22:29,760 --> 00:22:32,639 Speaker 1: to make as much of the disruption for the President's 436 00:22:32,680 --> 00:22:36,520 Speaker 1: Cup as possible and take away some of those international players. Well, 437 00:22:36,520 --> 00:22:38,680 Speaker 1: when those three poor kids a couple of weeks ago, 438 00:22:38,760 --> 00:22:42,760 Speaker 1: we're denied entrance into the first playoff event, it was 439 00:22:42,800 --> 00:22:46,080 Speaker 1: pretty clear that the way the judge talked about it 440 00:22:46,240 --> 00:22:48,719 Speaker 1: that it's gonna be an uphill battle for live winning 441 00:22:48,760 --> 00:22:52,480 Speaker 1: some of these injunctions. Or I'm the legal analyst, but 442 00:22:52,520 --> 00:22:55,280 Speaker 1: it feels like that rattled some of the guys that 443 00:22:55,320 --> 00:22:56,920 Speaker 1: were on the fence because they realize, if we're not 444 00:22:56,960 --> 00:22:59,720 Speaker 1: gonna gett ow g R points now and minimum, we're 445 00:22:59,720 --> 00:23:02,119 Speaker 1: not going to hear these things till two thousand twenty four. 446 00:23:02,480 --> 00:23:05,480 Speaker 1: Like you said, it could really pump the brakes on 447 00:23:06,160 --> 00:23:08,440 Speaker 1: I guess the defections if you will. And now that 448 00:23:08,480 --> 00:23:10,919 Speaker 1: Tiger and Rory are coming in strong, it feels like 449 00:23:10,960 --> 00:23:13,159 Speaker 1: the momentum. I don't want to say like the PGA 450 00:23:13,240 --> 00:23:15,480 Speaker 1: tours back in the driver's seat, because as we've learned, 451 00:23:15,480 --> 00:23:17,760 Speaker 1: money talk shit walks, but it does feel like the 452 00:23:17,800 --> 00:23:20,879 Speaker 1: momentum shifted a little bit back with with Tiger and 453 00:23:20,960 --> 00:23:23,880 Speaker 1: Rory kind of steering the ship. You know, I don't 454 00:23:23,880 --> 00:23:26,440 Speaker 1: I'm listen. I'm not trying to be a J Monahan hater, 455 00:23:26,600 --> 00:23:28,760 Speaker 1: but I don't think he looks great and all this. 456 00:23:28,920 --> 00:23:31,080 Speaker 1: You know, you talk about getting one of my big 457 00:23:31,119 --> 00:23:33,879 Speaker 1: takes on this whole ordeal is I think the PGA 458 00:23:33,920 --> 00:23:35,840 Speaker 1: tour got really fat and happy. A lot of guys 459 00:23:35,840 --> 00:23:38,440 Speaker 1: got really rich, so they didn't need to change, and 460 00:23:38,680 --> 00:23:40,960 Speaker 1: ratings kind of went down, but they kept getting bigger deals. 461 00:23:41,320 --> 00:23:43,239 Speaker 1: And then Saddy kind of came in, I don't want 462 00:23:43,280 --> 00:23:45,639 Speaker 1: to say out of nowhere because Ben rumored starts stealing 463 00:23:45,720 --> 00:23:49,000 Speaker 1: their players. They had to react, and Tiger's pridefull, you know, 464 00:23:49,040 --> 00:23:50,920 Speaker 1: he the PGA Tour means a lot for He got 465 00:23:50,920 --> 00:23:52,880 Speaker 1: back involved in Rory and some of the key guys 466 00:23:52,880 --> 00:23:56,600 Speaker 1: stood up for it. But like to me, Ja, you know, 467 00:23:56,720 --> 00:24:00,399 Speaker 1: it's he. He's not the boss because the players are, 468 00:24:00,600 --> 00:24:03,600 Speaker 1: but ultimately he's in charge of the business aspect of 469 00:24:03,640 --> 00:24:05,399 Speaker 1: this thing to get them money. And I think that 470 00:24:05,440 --> 00:24:08,440 Speaker 1: they just waited too long, and this whole debacle that 471 00:24:08,520 --> 00:24:10,640 Speaker 1: started six months ago off the guys starting to leave. 472 00:24:11,280 --> 00:24:13,560 Speaker 1: You know, is he surviving this? I guess it's a 473 00:24:13,600 --> 00:24:15,879 Speaker 1: long winded way of saying that. It's. First of all, 474 00:24:15,920 --> 00:24:19,239 Speaker 1: it's inarguable that Ja waited way too long, and and 475 00:24:19,359 --> 00:24:22,320 Speaker 1: Jay's not the only one complicit in this. I mean, 476 00:24:22,359 --> 00:24:26,080 Speaker 1: there's an entire policy board, there's a pack board there, 477 00:24:26,119 --> 00:24:28,560 Speaker 1: there there are a lot of people involved. Jay does 478 00:24:28,600 --> 00:24:31,919 Speaker 1: not unilaterally make decisions for the PGA Tour. And that's 479 00:24:32,080 --> 00:24:34,280 Speaker 1: one thing that I think a lot of people don't understand. Yes, 480 00:24:34,560 --> 00:24:36,560 Speaker 1: he's the face of it, he's the commissioner, and so 481 00:24:36,840 --> 00:24:39,520 Speaker 1: he's gonna bear the brunt of the criticism, but there's 482 00:24:39,560 --> 00:24:42,000 Speaker 1: a lot of people involved. He's got a lot of 483 00:24:42,119 --> 00:24:45,560 Speaker 1: voices in his head and corner offices and Ponto Vidra Beach, 484 00:24:45,600 --> 00:24:47,919 Speaker 1: and so if we're gonna criticize j we have to 485 00:24:47,920 --> 00:24:51,159 Speaker 1: criticize the organization as a whole. I think that said 486 00:24:51,600 --> 00:24:54,440 Speaker 1: Phil Mickelson maybe didn't go about it the right way, 487 00:24:54,440 --> 00:24:57,480 Speaker 1: but he was not wrong when he suggested, what six 488 00:24:57,560 --> 00:25:00,560 Speaker 1: eight months ago that the PGA Tour where's all the 489 00:25:00,600 --> 00:25:03,120 Speaker 1: money going? Like, Hey, there's a lot of money coming 490 00:25:03,160 --> 00:25:06,439 Speaker 1: in and not enough money coming out going back to 491 00:25:06,480 --> 00:25:09,720 Speaker 1: the players. And all of a sudden, we're seeing a 492 00:25:09,760 --> 00:25:13,840 Speaker 1: massive increase in persons for a handful of tournaments next year, 493 00:25:13,880 --> 00:25:16,399 Speaker 1: and we're seeing, hey, maybe they're going to increase persons 494 00:25:16,480 --> 00:25:19,399 Speaker 1: for these limited field, no cut events. If that's the 495 00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:22,360 Speaker 1: proposal moving forward, where's this money coming from? I asked 496 00:25:22,440 --> 00:25:24,880 Speaker 1: you that question about a month and a half ago 497 00:25:24,880 --> 00:25:27,760 Speaker 1: with the Travelers Championship, he's, well, I've been working on 498 00:25:27,800 --> 00:25:30,119 Speaker 1: it for a while and for everything I've heard that 499 00:25:30,359 --> 00:25:33,680 Speaker 1: is true. But there's no doubt that live golf has 500 00:25:33,720 --> 00:25:36,800 Speaker 1: sort of helps speed everything up. Live golf has helped 501 00:25:36,840 --> 00:25:42,320 Speaker 1: accelerate the process of PGA Tour players being paid more 502 00:25:42,400 --> 00:25:45,480 Speaker 1: and being paid more sooner than they would have if 503 00:25:45,480 --> 00:25:48,720 Speaker 1: there was no rival. Right now, I guess let's get 504 00:25:48,720 --> 00:25:52,200 Speaker 1: into the real golf. It's weird, like live is exhausting 505 00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:54,359 Speaker 1: on one hand, but then it's also what else would 506 00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:56,120 Speaker 1: we really be talking about right now? In the golf 507 00:25:56,520 --> 00:25:58,920 Speaker 1: adds something fun to talk about to me. The Tour 508 00:25:59,040 --> 00:26:01,560 Speaker 1: championship and and uh, I guess it would have been 509 00:26:01,560 --> 00:26:04,560 Speaker 1: two thousand eighteen was pretty special, right what it represented, 510 00:26:04,600 --> 00:26:07,280 Speaker 1: Tiger's come back, the scene of him walking down in 511 00:26:07,280 --> 00:26:09,080 Speaker 1: the last couple of years. It's just like you said, 512 00:26:09,240 --> 00:26:12,679 Speaker 1: rich guys getting richer, top players getting more money, thirty 513 00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:15,919 Speaker 1: players kind of boring, and I like you love the sport, 514 00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:19,160 Speaker 1: uh the Tiger Ever since Tiger feels a little downhill 515 00:26:19,880 --> 00:26:23,960 Speaker 1: this week, I mean, I know, do you have Rory 516 00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:27,439 Speaker 1: winning this week? The guy that you picked, because it's like, 517 00:26:27,480 --> 00:26:29,840 Speaker 1: what are you gonna do? Pick the Scotty Scheffler. You know, 518 00:26:30,119 --> 00:26:32,560 Speaker 1: but it feels like, how is Scotti Scheffler gonna lose? 519 00:26:32,680 --> 00:26:35,280 Speaker 1: He's got a two shot lead. He's been really good 520 00:26:35,320 --> 00:26:39,200 Speaker 1: besides two weeks ago, all season long. Uh, I'll actually 521 00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:41,760 Speaker 1: just be stunned if he doesn't win this tournament. Now 522 00:26:41,800 --> 00:26:44,920 Speaker 1: you could argue two shots with four rounds, isn't that crazy? 523 00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:47,119 Speaker 1: But still, I mean, he's held. If he had a 524 00:26:47,119 --> 00:26:49,879 Speaker 1: two shot lead last week, he's a winner. Yeah, exactly. 525 00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:52,280 Speaker 1: I mean, look, I don't know what the best story 526 00:26:52,400 --> 00:26:54,920 Speaker 1: is like if you're if you're again, we're talking about 527 00:26:54,960 --> 00:26:57,200 Speaker 1: laying on your couch on Sunday afternoon and you want 528 00:26:57,480 --> 00:27:00,360 Speaker 1: some emotion and you want some visceral reaction, you want 529 00:27:00,359 --> 00:27:02,879 Speaker 1: to feel something. What's the best story for you to 530 00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:05,399 Speaker 1: be feeling on a Sunday afternoon. I don't know. Scotty 531 00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:08,879 Speaker 1: Cheffler puts a nice bow on his season where he wins. 532 00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:13,120 Speaker 1: Patrick Cantley, who's in second place right now, goes back. 533 00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:16,160 Speaker 1: I know the best the best story. The best story 534 00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:19,640 Speaker 1: is camp Smith winning, getting the check and leaving. I'm 535 00:27:19,680 --> 00:27:23,840 Speaker 1: just from a firework standpoint that you're probably right. You're 536 00:27:23,880 --> 00:27:26,240 Speaker 1: probably right. That would be unbelievable if camp Smith does 537 00:27:26,280 --> 00:27:29,840 Speaker 1: win this thing. Uh, Look, Rory mcilwy's guy picked base 538 00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:32,720 Speaker 1: and it's more about the number two. He's nine to 539 00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:35,560 Speaker 1: one Scotty Cheff. I think it's plus two fiftyes. So 540 00:27:35,720 --> 00:27:38,560 Speaker 1: how many times we've seen Rory six shots back going 541 00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:40,919 Speaker 1: into the final round and nearly wins the golf tournament. 542 00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:42,840 Speaker 1: We go, oh, man, if you just had a couple 543 00:27:42,920 --> 00:27:46,159 Speaker 1: more holes, Well, Rory's got seventy two more holes to 544 00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:48,760 Speaker 1: make up six shots. That's something that he can certainly do. 545 00:27:48,800 --> 00:27:51,160 Speaker 1: I think he'll relish the challenge. He did it from 546 00:27:51,160 --> 00:27:53,640 Speaker 1: five shots back back in the first year of staggered 547 00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:57,320 Speaker 1: scoring in so I certainly think he can do it. 548 00:27:57,359 --> 00:27:59,760 Speaker 1: But again, I don't know where the story is. I 549 00:27:59,760 --> 00:28:04,639 Speaker 1: don't nowhere. On a Sunday afternoon, we go, oh my gosh, 550 00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:07,920 Speaker 1: that was like the greatest thing I've ever seen. I mean, 551 00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:11,040 Speaker 1: we saw Tiger Woods win here the year before stagger scoring. Oh, 552 00:28:11,040 --> 00:28:13,360 Speaker 1: by the way, he wouldn't have won the FedEx Cup, 553 00:28:13,359 --> 00:28:16,440 Speaker 1: wouldn't have won the Tour Championship if they had gone 554 00:28:16,440 --> 00:28:19,120 Speaker 1: to staggered scoring one year earlier. And it's amazing that 555 00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:22,000 Speaker 1: after Tiger won that they still said, hey, let's go 556 00:28:22,040 --> 00:28:24,600 Speaker 1: to the staggered scoring. But it just goes to show 557 00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:26,639 Speaker 1: this is more about the sponsor. It's more about the 558 00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:29,600 Speaker 1: TV rights holders than uh, it is about the fans. 559 00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:32,200 Speaker 1: And so FedEx Cup puts up our FedEx puts up 560 00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:34,919 Speaker 1: fifty million dollars or whatever it is every year. They 561 00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:36,760 Speaker 1: don't want to see a picture of two players holding 562 00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:39,600 Speaker 1: up trophies on the Sunday afternoon. They want one winner, 563 00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:41,880 Speaker 1: and they want one winner of the FedEx Cup. And 564 00:28:41,920 --> 00:28:44,440 Speaker 1: so this was their way of putting it together. I 565 00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:46,240 Speaker 1: know a lot of fans look at it and say, 566 00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:48,680 Speaker 1: I hate this. You know, it feels like a handicapped tournament, 567 00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:51,440 Speaker 1: feels like my member guest or you know, something like that, 568 00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:55,320 Speaker 1: a Netcord Championship. I get that. But my answer to 569 00:28:55,360 --> 00:28:57,720 Speaker 1: that for everybody out there is it ain't about you. 570 00:28:58,160 --> 00:29:00,840 Speaker 1: It's about the sponsor. It's about out the right soldiers, 571 00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:05,160 Speaker 1: about the players themselves. Fans. Look, uh, they accept your patronage, 572 00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:07,440 Speaker 1: they love the fact that they have your support and 573 00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:10,760 Speaker 1: you'll watch on a Sunday afternoon. But they're not changing things. 574 00:29:10,800 --> 00:29:14,240 Speaker 1: They're not making decisions based on what the fans would 575 00:29:14,240 --> 00:29:16,520 Speaker 1: like to see. Well, I'll get you out of here 576 00:29:16,520 --> 00:29:17,960 Speaker 1: in this is that I was done with live, but 577 00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:20,080 Speaker 1: I just thought of something. I don't know if that 578 00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:23,520 Speaker 1: that Wall Street Journal article that had some of the 579 00:29:24,080 --> 00:29:27,600 Speaker 1: contracts of of a live player. Some of it was redacted, 580 00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:30,520 Speaker 1: but one part in there was you signed this contract, 581 00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:33,000 Speaker 1: we can tell you gotta help us recruit like your 582 00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:37,400 Speaker 1: Nick Saban Kirby Smarter, John Calabari, right, and Sam Bennett. 583 00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:39,680 Speaker 1: This guy that looks like, honestly, he's kind of got 584 00:29:39,720 --> 00:29:42,400 Speaker 1: some Matt Wolfie vibes at Oklahoma State, a little different 585 00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:45,400 Speaker 1: golf swing, but just looks like a super talent PGA 586 00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:49,080 Speaker 1: tour would want him. Bryson de Shambo on Instagram. Now, 587 00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:54,320 Speaker 1: granted Bryson's a former USAM champ, is like basically tweeting, 588 00:29:54,360 --> 00:29:58,680 Speaker 1: you know, the Instagram equivalent at him like congrats keep rocking. 589 00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:01,760 Speaker 1: I started thinking I would imagine, as Bryson already work 590 00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:04,480 Speaker 1: in the back channels, because Sam Bennett is the type 591 00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:07,480 Speaker 1: guy if you live you're all over, right, you want 592 00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:11,040 Speaker 1: to grab those type guys of the pipeline. Your thoughts 593 00:30:11,080 --> 00:30:15,080 Speaker 1: on like, how are they battling that, because obviously he's not, 594 00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:17,760 Speaker 1: you know, tied to the PGA tool right now, I'm 595 00:30:17,760 --> 00:30:20,280 Speaker 1: sure those guys are pumping his phone. If Bryson, if 596 00:30:20,280 --> 00:30:23,320 Speaker 1: Phil Mickelson called Sam Bennett, he's picking up the phone. 597 00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:26,600 Speaker 1: I think it's very respectful of you to use the 598 00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:30,280 Speaker 1: college football recruiting analogy. I've used more of an analogy 599 00:30:30,280 --> 00:30:33,640 Speaker 1: of being an Amway salesman, maybe even a pyramid scheme 600 00:30:34,040 --> 00:30:36,880 Speaker 1: and trying to get other people involved in what you're doing. 601 00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:40,280 Speaker 1: This thing that feels like it's more appropriate than just 602 00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:43,240 Speaker 1: you know, when it's recruiting, it's hey, you've got to 603 00:30:43,280 --> 00:30:46,640 Speaker 1: wear our stuff. Boy. It really just feels like the 604 00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:49,320 Speaker 1: Public Investment Fund of Saudi Arabia is buying and selling 605 00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:52,760 Speaker 1: these players and they just want Uh. They're not just 606 00:30:52,840 --> 00:30:56,240 Speaker 1: paying them to go play golf. They're paying them to 607 00:30:56,360 --> 00:31:00,840 Speaker 1: support their cause and to speak highly about their cause. 608 00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:04,000 Speaker 1: They're not allowed to do interviews unless they're set up 609 00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:06,520 Speaker 1: by the tour itself. It's just a lot of it 610 00:31:06,600 --> 00:31:09,640 Speaker 1: just still feels really, really weird to me. John and 611 00:31:09,720 --> 00:31:13,000 Speaker 1: so um Look, I get it. I get that you 612 00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:14,600 Speaker 1: want to go out and make money. I get it's 613 00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:17,280 Speaker 1: an opportunity for guys, especially on the back end of 614 00:31:17,320 --> 00:31:20,120 Speaker 1: their careers, they can go out and make more money. 615 00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:22,680 Speaker 1: Playing for live than they ever could have on the 616 00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:26,880 Speaker 1: PGA Tour, especially at the age of forty two eight 617 00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:30,640 Speaker 1: years old. But again, you're you're joining the cult a 618 00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:33,400 Speaker 1: little bit and so um, you know, well, we'll see 619 00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:36,240 Speaker 1: what happens for that and again, but if the PGA 620 00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:39,160 Speaker 1: Tour essentially mirrors, it will be the second time. Remember 621 00:31:39,520 --> 00:31:41,840 Speaker 1: what was it twenty seven, twenty eight years ago? Greg 622 00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:44,240 Speaker 1: Gorman came to the PGA Tour and had this idea, Hey, 623 00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:47,640 Speaker 1: we're gonna have a global series the best players from 624 00:31:47,680 --> 00:31:51,560 Speaker 1: around the world played globally and they have these limited field, 625 00:31:51,560 --> 00:31:54,160 Speaker 1: no cut events, and the PGA Tours No thanks, but 626 00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:56,320 Speaker 1: no thanks, We're not gonna do that. A couple years later, 627 00:31:56,360 --> 00:31:58,400 Speaker 1: the PGA Tour said, hey, we've got a great idea. 628 00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:00,800 Speaker 1: It's called the World Golf Championship. We're gonna have the 629 00:32:00,800 --> 00:32:03,320 Speaker 1: best players around the world play each other on a 630 00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:06,400 Speaker 1: regular basis and they'll learn lots more money. And it's 631 00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:09,400 Speaker 1: essentially Norman's idea that they kept for themselves. I think 632 00:32:09,400 --> 00:32:11,960 Speaker 1: it's very very interesting. There's a lot of deja vu 633 00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:14,880 Speaker 1: a play if Live Golf says hey, we're gonna have 634 00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:17,800 Speaker 1: limited field, no cut events where you're gonna make a 635 00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:20,200 Speaker 1: whole lot of money for the best players. PJ Tour says, 636 00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:23,160 Speaker 1: you know what, we're not into that. That's exhibition. We 637 00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:25,760 Speaker 1: don't like your idea. What we're gonna do is have 638 00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:29,880 Speaker 1: limited field, no cut events for our best players and 639 00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:33,160 Speaker 1: they're gonna make more Money's great, isn't that same idea 640 00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:35,840 Speaker 1: that they have And it's it's deja vu. They're just 641 00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:39,000 Speaker 1: stealing the same idea all over again. Yeah, it's just 642 00:32:39,920 --> 00:32:44,240 Speaker 1: it's crazy. Um, well, enjoy the Tour Championship. And uh, 643 00:32:44,280 --> 00:32:46,400 Speaker 1: you know when Patrick Cantley goes back to back years 644 00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:49,480 Speaker 1: makes thirty million dollars, you know, I'm not sure anyone 645 00:32:49,520 --> 00:32:52,600 Speaker 1: will care, but he'll be super rich. You know. It's funny. 646 00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:55,160 Speaker 1: I've been coming to the Tour Championship ever since, you know, 647 00:32:55,280 --> 00:32:58,440 Speaker 1: before they implemented the FedEx Cup and all that kind 648 00:32:58,480 --> 00:33:01,520 Speaker 1: kind of stuff the last what's sixteen years. Every time 649 00:33:01,520 --> 00:33:04,239 Speaker 1: a player comes into the interview room, we talked to them, 650 00:33:04,280 --> 00:33:06,800 Speaker 1: whether it's pre tournament or during the event they're playing. Well, 651 00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:09,560 Speaker 1: it's the question is what would you do if first 652 00:33:09,560 --> 00:33:11,640 Speaker 1: it was ten million, that was fifteen now it's eighteen 653 00:33:11,640 --> 00:33:13,760 Speaker 1: million dollars? What would you do with all this money 654 00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:16,280 Speaker 1: if you want? We can't even ask that question now. 655 00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:18,120 Speaker 1: It's like, what would you do with eighteen million if 656 00:33:18,120 --> 00:33:19,680 Speaker 1: you won this thing? It's like, I don't know. I 657 00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:21,320 Speaker 1: guess I tipped the guys in the locker room as 658 00:33:21,360 --> 00:33:23,080 Speaker 1: I go out on my way to live and make 659 00:33:23,080 --> 00:33:26,480 Speaker 1: ten times that amount. Candily is like the shark. The 660 00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:29,960 Speaker 1: shark has two million dollars waiting for me. I mean really, 661 00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:32,520 Speaker 1: it's like, you know, the bunny doesn't even matter anymore. 662 00:33:32,520 --> 00:33:34,920 Speaker 1: The bunny is like it's a joke compared to what 663 00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:37,240 Speaker 1: they could make if they leave. So I don't know. 664 00:33:37,320 --> 00:33:39,760 Speaker 1: I guess we're gonna find better questions to ask this year, 665 00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:42,920 Speaker 1: is what I'm getting. For sure. We'll enjoy the week, 666 00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:45,520 Speaker 1: and uh, you know, I guess I'll talk to you soon. 667 00:33:45,560 --> 00:33:47,640 Speaker 1: Who knows, Like, like you tweet about a lot, things 668 00:33:47,720 --> 00:33:51,040 Speaker 1: change at rapid speeds in this sport right now, So 669 00:33:51,800 --> 00:33:54,560 Speaker 1: you enjoy it. Keep your head on a swivel um, 670 00:33:54,760 --> 00:33:57,680 Speaker 1: and let's just you know, who knows. Maybe Adki would 671 00:33:57,680 --> 00:33:59,640 Speaker 1: be worth about seven hundred million dollars here in about 672 00:33:59,640 --> 00:34:02,960 Speaker 1: a week. Just give me like one week of football 673 00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:05,680 Speaker 1: season in between the golf seasons where I can just 674 00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:07,800 Speaker 1: lay on the couch and watch a different sport for 675 00:34:07,840 --> 00:34:11,600 Speaker 1: a little bit. Please, I feel you. Take it easy, Jason, 676 00:34:11,840 --> 00:34:43,440 Speaker 1: talk to you soon. Mane the volume