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Speaker 2: Sometimes set.

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Speaker 3: Well soon.

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Speaker 2: Welcome one hang Out Sneaky Loaded Monday, November twenty ninth,

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Speaker 2: Jack McMullen, NBA six Man of the Year, arm Laighton.

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Speaker 3: Uh.

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Speaker 2: We're recording in scary hours. It's one fourteen as I

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Speaker 2: hit the record button, one fourteen am not PM. By

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Speaker 2: the way, for all you sad SAPs who think we're soft, No,

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Speaker 2: we're recording when it's dark outside and when we should

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Speaker 2: be both sleeping, and that's my fault. Arm and I'm

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Speaker 2: sorry about that.

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Speaker 3: It's okay, dude, it's okay. You know some of us

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Speaker 3: are dedicated to to just baseball. Yeah, and I know

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Speaker 3: you had some women's hoops that needed calling. Yeah, And

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Speaker 3: you know some things take priority. But you happen to

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Speaker 3: do this on the busiest day ever in hot stove

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Speaker 3: history of all time. So at least we have plenty

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Speaker 3: to talk about. It was a whirlwind. I started writing

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Speaker 2: I was in Houston with Ball State women's basketball for

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Speaker 2: an invitational tournament. We get on the flight from Houston

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Speaker 2: my phone on airplane mode. And yes, I still do

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Speaker 2: my phone on airplane mode. Last check of Twitter said

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Speaker 2: Max Schures could sign in the next couple of days.

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Speaker 2: And then I get off the flight and I take

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Speaker 2: my phone off airplane mode and I see forty two

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Speaker 2: million dollars annually for Max Schures or over three years

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Speaker 2: Like I was still hung up on the Lincoln Riley

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Speaker 2: eleven twenty Eastern looking at Max Scherzer and saying, wait,

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Speaker 2: this forty year old is going to be making forty

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Speaker 2: two million bucks. And by the way, Michael Lorenzen just

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Speaker 2: today Marcus Semion just signed a deal, and so did

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Speaker 2: Kevin Gosman, and like, there's just so much shit it

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Speaker 2: you through my I'm running on fumes because of the stove.

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Speaker 2: joke for once in a very long time. I said,

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Speaker 2: know I'm sitting there just perusing Twitter. I've got to

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Speaker 3: I had him a couple of times. I feel like

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Speaker 3: it's a really good starting point to a horror movie. Though.

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Speaker 2: I get in and I'm thinking, oh, this guy's got

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Speaker 2: And I was like, I'm just a little bit farther

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I've never been in an uber while they

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Speaker 3: fill up. I usually have dodged that one. I thought

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Speaker 3: fill up, take your time, honestly, Go buy another pack

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Speaker 3: just hang out back here arm can wait.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, he had a couple of full packs of

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Speaker 3: So bulk buyer. And we've had this bit already too,

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Speaker 3: Yes, buying in bulk does make sense, So that that's

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Speaker 3: the weird juxtaposition, Like I'm going to make a cost

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Speaker 3: effective decision to poison myself. Yeah sounds great, But you

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Speaker 3: know what, you know who's not making cost effective decisions?

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Speaker 3: The text Rangers. I don't give a shit. I don't

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Speaker 3: give a shit. Man, Like I see people saying like,

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Speaker 3: You can't just convince a dude to come to a

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Speaker 3: to convince him to go, and I go. I know

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Speaker 3: money talks, but now you're convincing him to go to

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Speaker 3: in terms of average annual value. I'm sure that there

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Speaker 3: we'll pay you till you're thirty eight. And that's exactly

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Speaker 3: building through free agency isn't the move, but this is

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Speaker 3: one of those exceptions where I'm just like, this is good.

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Speaker 2: Here's the thing, though, I mean, like there were so

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Speaker 2: many rumblings and transactions that apparently went final. I mean

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Speaker 2: get these deals done before the lockout on Wednesday. That's

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Speaker 2: This Monday is gonna be nutty because everybody wants the

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Speaker 2: They can have the deal finalized on Wednesday before everybody

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Speaker 2: So that's why you saw this push, this mad dash

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Speaker 3: It's like a trade deadline. Really, it's the closest thing

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Speaker 2: Yeah, because you have a deadline. You know, for one,

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Speaker 2: there's usually only one deadline in Major League Baseball. Now

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Speaker 2: there's two this year. That's a unique things. It's like

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Speaker 2: a leap year, right, every time the CBA is up

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Speaker 2: think you just hit everything that was circulating through my mind.

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Speaker 2: I just want to expand on your money talks point,

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Speaker 2: because yes, money talks, but you have to put a

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Speaker 2: enough to bring you to Texas.

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Speaker 3: I agree. And you know what I think also screams allowed, though,

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Speaker 3: And that's not something that I think Marcus sent me

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Speaker 3: the reports are they're gonna keep doing some more stuff.

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Speaker 3: You know, they might go get a trigger story. They

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Speaker 3: the best middle endfield in the Als, and it's you know,

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Speaker 2: Who's better?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, realistically, who's better? Like that's elite. There's a lot

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Speaker 3: That's just a very exciting spot they have a dynamic

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Speaker 3: So I think this is them trying to kind of

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Speaker 3: it translates into wins. But they do have some young

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Speaker 3: This system got a lot better from the Gallo trade,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, let me get into that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, arm what league is the most player centric league

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Done much so Like you're looking at Mark Cuban and

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but here's the thing, Okay, Heat fan, you're absolutely

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Speaker 3: Not to distract from the fact that the Heat beat

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Okay, I'll wear that because I can't control what

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Speaker 3: All right?

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Speaker 2: has worked for Cuban. It kinda has worked for Steve Balmer.

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Speaker 2: It's not gonna work in an one hundred and sixty

435
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Speaker 2: two game season in the most toxic market on planet Earth.

436
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Speaker 2: And that's what Steve Cohen's trying to do. I think

437
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Speaker 2: Steven Matt saw the toxicity that he dealt with his

438
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Speaker 2: first go round after the NLCS, you know, after he

439
00:22:43,400 --> 00:22:45,520
Speaker 2: was that wonder kid, and then people thought that he

440
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Speaker 2: could do it again, and he didn't really perform to

441
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Speaker 2: that standard. That is a toxic environment. And by the way,

442
00:22:52,640 --> 00:22:56,320
Speaker 2: Queen's was super toxic before Steve Cohen ever set foot

443
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Speaker 2: in their owner it just became a billion times or toxic.

444
00:23:00,680 --> 00:23:06,040
Speaker 2: And when you say that somebody is acting unprofessional and

445
00:23:06,080 --> 00:23:08,760
Speaker 2: you take to Twitter to do that, keep in mind

446
00:23:09,800 --> 00:23:13,159
Speaker 2: your finance bro shtheads that are applying for jobs on

447
00:23:13,200 --> 00:23:15,800
Speaker 2: Wall Street. If they said shit like that on Twitter,

448
00:23:15,880 --> 00:23:18,439
Speaker 2: they wouldn't be getting jobs because it's unprofessional.

449
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Speaker 3: Exactly exactly.

450
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Speaker 2: There's this double standard that just makes zero sense to

451
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Speaker 2: me in that regard. I do want to talk Buxton

452
00:23:26,359 --> 00:23:29,960
Speaker 2: right now. Byron Buxton, seven years, one hundred million dollars

453
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Speaker 2: for the Twins. I think Mike Petriello said this, and

454
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Speaker 2: I loved this so much. He said, somehow this is

455
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Speaker 2: a drastic underpay while also a criminal overpay at the

456
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Speaker 2: same time.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well that's what makes Byron Buxton's contract situation just

458
00:23:49,080 --> 00:23:54,520
Speaker 3: one of the most fluid, weird, strange. You just can't

459
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Speaker 3: really put a finger on what the value is of

460
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Speaker 3: a player like that, right, maybe the most talented and

461
00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:04,800
Speaker 3: like physically gifted player, Like would it be crazy you

462
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Speaker 3: tell me, would it be crazy to say he's the

463
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Speaker 3: most physically in terms of athleticism just speed power, where

464
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Speaker 3: we're going, yes, ever right to ever step on a

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Speaker 3: baseball field least.

466
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Speaker 2: But active, I think he and like tactis, like that's it.

467
00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:25,520
Speaker 3: Like realistically, I think he's one of the fastest players ever.

468
00:24:25,560 --> 00:24:27,800
Speaker 3: And then he also hits the ball hundred and fifteen

469
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Speaker 3: miles an hour. We don't need to like split hairs

470
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Speaker 3: into like that. But in terms of people on the

471
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Speaker 3: field right now, he's as talented as anybody. I mean,

472
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Speaker 3: I gave the f War a stat a couple podcasts

473
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Speaker 3: ago about how he was top thirty seven. I think

474
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Speaker 3: it was in major League baseball in f WAR despite

475
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Speaker 3: only playing a third of the games in major League baseball.

476
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Speaker 3: So that's it just gives you the context of how

477
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Speaker 3: dominant this guy is. So what's tough though is obviously

478
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Speaker 3: he's never on the field, he's only played one hundred

479
00:24:55,320 --> 00:24:59,320
Speaker 3: games once, and how do you lock a guy up

480
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Speaker 3: like that? Also not fully compromising the future of your

481
00:25:03,840 --> 00:25:07,159
Speaker 3: mid market franchise who can't afford to whiff on a

482
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Speaker 3: big deal. This was that because the incentives that he got,

483
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Speaker 3: MVP incentives are are unprecedented. We've never seen anything like this.

484
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Speaker 3: And really, what the MVP incentives are They might as

485
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Speaker 3: well just be at bats and might they might as

486
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Speaker 3: well have just said, you get five hundred at bats,

487
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Speaker 3: you get five million dollars, because we know if he

488
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Speaker 3: gets five hundred at bats, he's finishing top five in

489
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Speaker 3: MVP BO. Yes, man, i't the coolest part.

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Speaker 2: It is. It is. And here's here's the conversation that

491
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Speaker 2: I really liked to see earlier today, and it was

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Speaker 2: how quickly does Byron Buxton earn this back? You know,

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Speaker 2: how many seasons of Byron Buxton at full health get

494
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Speaker 2: you one hundred million dollars in value? And the answers

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Speaker 2: probably three. Yeah, that's like less than half. If you

496
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Speaker 2: play less than half of the games over the next

497
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Speaker 2: seven years, the Twins realistically earn that contract back. They

498
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Speaker 2: got a guy who should be valued when he's on

499
00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:07,960
Speaker 2: the field right around thirty to thirty five million dollars

500
00:26:08,560 --> 00:26:12,600
Speaker 2: Like that is insane. So I think they're banking on

501
00:26:12,760 --> 00:26:15,440
Speaker 2: him to play if they have them locked up for

502
00:26:15,600 --> 00:26:20,080
Speaker 2: seven full seasons if everything works out. Obviously they want

503
00:26:20,119 --> 00:26:22,199
Speaker 2: him to play seven full seasons of baseball, but I

504
00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:25,560
Speaker 2: think they truly feel like they earn their money back

505
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Speaker 2: on this deal if he plays the equivalent to half

506
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Speaker 2: of it three and a half full seasons of baseball, no.

507
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Speaker 3: Doubt, no doubt about it. And I think it's also

508
00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:36,400
Speaker 3: really important to note with a lot of these big deals, right,

509
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Speaker 3: Like we don't know what the structure is of Semian's deal,

510
00:26:40,840 --> 00:26:43,359
Speaker 3: but I know that the final several years of the

511
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Speaker 3: contract for Buckston is about fifteen million a year. Let's

512
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Speaker 3: say for Semian's deal, structure wise, average anyal values twenty

513
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Speaker 3: five million dollars. So let's just assume it's twenty five

514
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Speaker 3: across the board every year. Twenty five million in twenty

515
00:26:55,600 --> 00:26:58,840
Speaker 3: twenty seven is not going that's not going to be

516
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Speaker 3: what twenty five million is now. You can pretty much

517
00:27:01,320 --> 00:27:04,040
Speaker 3: scale that down about twenty percent, Right, it's gonna be.

518
00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:06,520
Speaker 3: It's gonna be a little bit less. So that's also

519
00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:09,280
Speaker 3: worth noting, like Byron Buckston for fifteen million and twenty

520
00:27:09,320 --> 00:27:13,119
Speaker 3: twenty six that that's a good bargain. Man, that's a

521
00:27:13,119 --> 00:27:16,399
Speaker 3: good bargain. Even if he's still kind of teetering a

522
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Speaker 3: little bit and only playing one hundred and twenty games,

523
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Speaker 3: it's a good bargain. I love that deal. I love

524
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Speaker 3: that we don't have to worry about Buckston becoming the

525
00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:27,240
Speaker 3: best player in baseball for the Yankees or the Dodgers

526
00:27:27,359 --> 00:27:30,800
Speaker 3: or whoever the hell house. And you know, it's good

527
00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:34,600
Speaker 3: again where you have a big draw. I mean, Byron

528
00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:37,159
Speaker 3: Buckson's got you go to the ballpark to see. I

529
00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:39,639
Speaker 3: love alex kiroll Off, but he's not he's not bringing

530
00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:43,359
Speaker 3: butts in the seats. You know, even Ja Blongo he's great,

531
00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:48,240
Speaker 3: but who cares and sneaky like twenty nine. Yeah, it's legit.

532
00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:52,159
Speaker 3: It's just it's just not the same. So I'm glad

533
00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:53,879
Speaker 3: because I really didn't think they were gonna get the

534
00:27:53,920 --> 00:27:56,280
Speaker 3: deal done. I'm I'll be honest. I really didn't see

535
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Speaker 3: it getting done.

536
00:27:57,240 --> 00:28:00,399
Speaker 2: I said it was like a Yankee Yeah yeah.

537
00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:03,600
Speaker 3: And so now it's like Jack, what are the twins doing.

538
00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:07,000
Speaker 3: Are they trying to win? They still have to pay Donaldson.

539
00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:11,960
Speaker 3: Polanco is good, they have some big league ready prospects. Like,

540
00:28:12,119 --> 00:28:16,480
Speaker 3: what are the Twins doing? Are they trying to compete?

541
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Speaker 3: I don't know.

542
00:28:17,359 --> 00:28:21,119
Speaker 2: Like, no offense to Bailey Ober, but if you run

543
00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:25,800
Speaker 2: Bailey Ober out there every fifth day, like you're not realistically,

544
00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:28,200
Speaker 2: you're not gonna win the AL Central with the White

545
00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:30,800
Speaker 2: Sox there, You're not gonna win the American League Central,

546
00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:32,879
Speaker 2: Like that team is just too talented and you are

547
00:28:32,920 --> 00:28:35,960
Speaker 2: too not talented. But if they go and they piece

548
00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:39,000
Speaker 2: things together in prospects, hit correctly, and Austin Martin all

549
00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:41,280
Speaker 2: of a sudden becomes who we think Austin Martin could

550
00:28:41,320 --> 00:28:47,560
Speaker 2: possibly become. Like there presents this window. I don't know

551
00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:50,240
Speaker 2: when the window is. But the Twins are fascinating and

552
00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:52,680
Speaker 2: I feel like they're not going to be successful, but

553
00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:55,560
Speaker 2: I think they got their guy to center the team

554
00:28:55,560 --> 00:28:58,000
Speaker 2: around for seven years. I think that's what this deal did.

555
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Speaker 2: I do want to run through a couple more guys,

556
00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:01,680
Speaker 2: one more thought from you, and then I want to

557
00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:05,000
Speaker 2: I want to run through you know, three four more

558
00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:06,760
Speaker 2: guys rapid fire to wrap up the show.

559
00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:09,240
Speaker 3: Yeah. Absolutely, this is just gonna be a nerdy, irrelevant

560
00:29:09,280 --> 00:29:11,640
Speaker 3: point that probably very few people care about, but I

561
00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:13,960
Speaker 3: just want to tell it. It's just tip of the

562
00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:16,240
Speaker 3: cap to the Twins, right like they kind of have

563
00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:18,640
Speaker 3: made some good moves. Quietly, Like I'm looking at their

564
00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:22,080
Speaker 3: full roster right now and I'm remembering, like, oh, yeah,

565
00:29:22,120 --> 00:29:23,960
Speaker 3: they did go get Joe Ryan, and like, yeah, he

566
00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:25,600
Speaker 3: struggled a little bit last year, but I do think

567
00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:29,720
Speaker 3: Joe Ryan could be really interesting. They do have Jose Miranda,

568
00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:32,080
Speaker 3: who was probably the best hitter in the minor leagues

569
00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:35,240
Speaker 3: last year, and I'm actually a believer in him being

570
00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:38,480
Speaker 3: able to probably put it together. You mentioned Austin Martin.

571
00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:41,840
Speaker 3: Not only do they get these prospects, but these prospects

572
00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:44,600
Speaker 3: are like big league ready or close to it. They

573
00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:46,640
Speaker 3: go get Sammon Woods Richardson, who I think could be

574
00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:49,000
Speaker 3: ready by the end of next year. So they did

575
00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:52,200
Speaker 3: make good moves that I think can make this team

576
00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:56,400
Speaker 3: competitive ish. But they they need to figure out what

577
00:29:56,440 --> 00:29:59,240
Speaker 3: they're doing here, because, like you said, they're rolling out

578
00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:02,600
Speaker 3: Bailey Ober like Randy Dobnak, Like that's not gonna fly.

579
00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:04,720
Speaker 3: If they're gonna try to be decent next year. They're

580
00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:07,600
Speaker 3: gonna need to go after some middling arms hope that

581
00:30:07,640 --> 00:30:11,480
Speaker 3: they overachieve in those in that department. That Corey Kluber

582
00:30:11,520 --> 00:30:13,360
Speaker 3: could have made sense. Obviously he wanted to go to

583
00:30:13,360 --> 00:30:16,040
Speaker 3: a contender those types of guys. They hit on a

584
00:30:16,040 --> 00:30:18,960
Speaker 3: couple guys like that. This is a sneaky, decent team.

585
00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:20,600
Speaker 3: Don't forget this was a team last year that we

586
00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:24,160
Speaker 3: were expecting to do big things. You especially, they could

587
00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:28,480
Speaker 3: be competitive and they can hit on a couple of arms.

588
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Speaker 3: Because I do really like the prospects that they have,

589
00:30:30,680 --> 00:30:32,600
Speaker 3: and I like the timeline on a lot of these guys,

590
00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:35,520
Speaker 3: and I think Killeroff's gonna really put it together next year.

591
00:30:35,680 --> 00:30:38,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you don't need to look too far. I mean,

592
00:30:38,080 --> 00:30:40,560
Speaker 2: just think about the Al Central. Like you've got Matt

593
00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:43,480
Speaker 2: Boyd to just hit the open market. Matt Boyd Minnesota

594
00:30:43,560 --> 00:30:46,880
Speaker 2: feels like it could work. Like, yes, that'll happen, you know,

595
00:30:47,040 --> 00:30:49,760
Speaker 2: like it feels like it'll happen before we get to

596
00:30:49,800 --> 00:30:51,880
Speaker 2: your Marlins real quick. I do want to talk about

597
00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:56,800
Speaker 2: Michael Lorenzen steel one year seven million dollars with the Angels.

598
00:30:56,800 --> 00:31:00,480
Speaker 2: Lorenzen made it very clear that he wants a spot

599
00:31:00,840 --> 00:31:04,240
Speaker 2: in the starting rotation. He also wants at bats and

600
00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:07,880
Speaker 2: innings as an outfielder. So the Angels just paid seven

601
00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:15,200
Speaker 2: million dollars for the kmart version of Sho Hao Tani

602
00:31:15,280 --> 00:31:17,120
Speaker 2: on the same team as Sho Hao Tani.

603
00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:20,920
Speaker 3: It's a Kimbell Atani's, man, That's what I was saying, Like,

604
00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:25,040
Speaker 3: this is, this is so sick. I don't even care

605
00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:28,120
Speaker 3: if he could be a one hundred hitter with an

606
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Speaker 3: eight e r a double Otani's is the coolest thing ever.

607
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Speaker 3: And I'm we're gonna make surets or something with just

608
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Speaker 3: the two of them with like bat and glove in hand,

609
00:31:38,520 --> 00:31:41,000
Speaker 3: and we're gonna we're just gonna make this a thing.

610
00:31:41,240 --> 00:31:45,720
Speaker 3: Both right, what both obviously okay?

611
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Speaker 2: Good?

612
00:31:46,040 --> 00:31:50,360
Speaker 3: But like this is crazy. I think it's weird that

613
00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:52,720
Speaker 3: Lorenzen wants to do this because he's not even that

614
00:31:52,840 --> 00:31:54,960
Speaker 3: good of a picture. Like I think he's had good stretches.

615
00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:58,560
Speaker 3: I think I think he's talented, but it's like, why

616
00:31:58,760 --> 00:32:01,440
Speaker 3: be I guess, yes, why be mediocre at one thing

617
00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:02,800
Speaker 3: when you can be a mediocre at two.

618
00:32:03,040 --> 00:32:06,360
Speaker 2: Hey, Michael Lorenzen, if he fully commit to being a

619
00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:09,880
Speaker 2: setup guy, could be a really good setup guy.

620
00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:13,800
Speaker 3: Yes, but he wants to be a starter, which that that,

621
00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:16,480
Speaker 3: in itself I thought was a stretch. Like if Michael

622
00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:18,440
Speaker 3: runs and tell me like I want to be a starter,

623
00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:20,600
Speaker 3: Like maybe if I'm the Twins, I'll be like, yeah,

624
00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:23,960
Speaker 3: fuck it, let's try it out. But if he's like,

625
00:32:24,080 --> 00:32:27,040
Speaker 3: oh no, no, no, but I want to hit two, I'd

626
00:32:27,080 --> 00:32:32,080
Speaker 3: be like, dude, get lost, like no, no shot, but

627
00:32:32,280 --> 00:32:36,600
Speaker 3: maybe setup man outfielder. Like I don't know. What I

628
00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:41,720
Speaker 3: do know is that the outfield situation for the Angels

629
00:32:41,760 --> 00:32:45,400
Speaker 3: is interesting. I obviously really like Brandon Marsh. Joe Adell

630
00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:48,480
Speaker 3: showed some good things that Mike Trout Guy. That Trout

631
00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:52,200
Speaker 3: Guy is decent, and like he's like a fourth outfielder.

632
00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:56,800
Speaker 3: I guess, bat off the bench and then yes, starter ish,

633
00:32:57,160 --> 00:32:59,760
Speaker 3: I'm cool with it. I like it, you know. I

634
00:32:59,840 --> 00:33:02,120
Speaker 3: like the fourth outfield or bat off the bench kind

635
00:33:02,120 --> 00:33:04,080
Speaker 3: of thing. This is an extra bench bat for you,

636
00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:08,720
Speaker 3: that's cool. I'm down for that. But like, this guy's

637
00:33:08,760 --> 00:33:10,600
Speaker 3: not playing the outfield every day, like let's be.

638
00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:13,920
Speaker 2: Real, no, hell no, you know, I I think it

639
00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:16,400
Speaker 2: would be funny if the Angel said, absolutely, you're gonna

640
00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:18,480
Speaker 2: start games for us, and then just turn them into

641
00:33:18,520 --> 00:33:21,040
Speaker 2: an opener, Like yeah, you're gonna start You're just gonna

642
00:33:21,080 --> 00:33:25,200
Speaker 2: start on, You're gonna go in a third. It would

643
00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:29,400
Speaker 2: be so funny, your Ryan Stanic, except you'll hit sometimes exactly.

644
00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:32,920
Speaker 2: Let's talk those two Marlins quick. You want to start

645
00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:33,840
Speaker 2: with AVI or Sandy.

646
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Speaker 3: Let's start Sandy, because obviously that was an objectively good deal.

647
00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:44,000
Speaker 3: I do think that there's something that people are missing

648
00:33:44,040 --> 00:33:46,040
Speaker 3: on that though. Right It's like I see so many

649
00:33:46,080 --> 00:33:49,880
Speaker 3: people saying like absolute steal, like fire fire his uh.

650
00:33:50,040 --> 00:33:52,480
Speaker 3: I saw so many people in the replies like fire

651
00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:55,520
Speaker 3: his agent. It's really important to note that this is

652
00:33:55,560 --> 00:34:00,000
Speaker 3: actually the biggest deal in MLB history of a player

653
00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:03,040
Speaker 3: with three or more years left of arbitration like this

654
00:34:03,080 --> 00:34:05,880
Speaker 3: is this is kind of unprecedented. And that's why I'm

655
00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:09,560
Speaker 3: really happy to see the Marlins spend, Because the Marlins,

656
00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:12,720
Speaker 3: realistically and historically, the Marlins would sit there and say,

657
00:34:12,880 --> 00:34:15,120
Speaker 3: why would we spend We have them for under control

658
00:34:15,160 --> 00:34:17,239
Speaker 3: for three years. Yeah, like that's what they would say.

659
00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:19,520
Speaker 3: But what the Marlins did is they said, we're gonna

660
00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:24,799
Speaker 3: pay you basically eighty percent more over each of the

661
00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:26,640
Speaker 3: next couple of years, one hundred percent more maybe in

662
00:34:26,680 --> 00:34:29,400
Speaker 3: the back end, just to get two extra years of you.

663
00:34:30,120 --> 00:34:32,600
Speaker 3: And that is a good gesture, you know. That is

664
00:34:32,640 --> 00:34:34,800
Speaker 3: again a good thing to see from the Marlins. Is

665
00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:37,000
Speaker 3: like they're like, we're gonna pay you more now, so

666
00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:38,600
Speaker 3: you're gonna make a little bit more. We're gonna skip

667
00:34:38,640 --> 00:34:42,040
Speaker 3: this whole arbitration bullshit where we pretend you suck, and

668
00:34:42,040 --> 00:34:44,480
Speaker 3: then we're gonna say, hey, we love you again, and

669
00:34:45,120 --> 00:34:47,120
Speaker 3: we're gonna pay you this amount of money. That's set

670
00:34:47,200 --> 00:34:50,279
Speaker 3: your good. You have it, it's guaranteed, and then there's

671
00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:52,760
Speaker 3: an option for a sixty year that is at twenty

672
00:34:52,760 --> 00:34:54,880
Speaker 3: one million dollars, which I think makes sense for both sides.

673
00:34:55,680 --> 00:34:58,120
Speaker 3: That was a great move for the Marlins. Again, objectively

674
00:34:58,120 --> 00:35:00,239
Speaker 3: good for baseball when you have a good play, you're

675
00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:03,359
Speaker 3: staying with a small market team. Sandy is blossomed into

676
00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:05,359
Speaker 3: one of the most exciting young pitchers in the game.

677
00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:08,040
Speaker 3: I've always been, you know, super super high on him,

678
00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:10,080
Speaker 3: but I never thought he would be this good in

679
00:35:10,160 --> 00:35:13,839
Speaker 3: terms of his command. He's really a special young arm

680
00:35:13,840 --> 00:35:15,680
Speaker 3: and and I'm glad that the Marlins are keeping him

681
00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:19,120
Speaker 3: around because it's been a lot of heartbreak of players

682
00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:23,279
Speaker 3: departing for local fans and you know, the only other

683
00:35:23,280 --> 00:35:25,759
Speaker 3: guy that they really had pitching wise was Jose Fernandez,

684
00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:29,839
Speaker 3: and you know he dies. So it's just been It's

685
00:35:29,840 --> 00:35:32,440
Speaker 3: been a lot for this Marlins fan base, and I'm

686
00:35:32,440 --> 00:35:35,279
Speaker 3: glad to see some some good gestures and continuity here

687
00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:36,400
Speaker 3: for the future.

688
00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:39,440
Speaker 2: I liked it they got with the times, and that

689
00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:42,120
Speaker 2: was kim getting with the times. You get with the

690
00:35:42,160 --> 00:35:44,719
Speaker 2: times by you by hiring Kim Ang and she knows

691
00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:47,520
Speaker 2: what she's doing. You know, here's what I'll say about

692
00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:52,959
Speaker 2: the general manager position in major League Baseball. If you

693
00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:57,160
Speaker 2: are not looking at young players through this lens, you're

694
00:35:57,200 --> 00:35:59,799
Speaker 2: a dinosaur, yep. And you shouldn't be a major league

695
00:35:59,840 --> 00:36:03,040
Speaker 2: g Now. If you say, oh, we can just disrespect

696
00:36:03,080 --> 00:36:05,040
Speaker 2: the shit out of them for six years, like we're

697
00:36:05,080 --> 00:36:07,000
Speaker 2: gonna be fine where we get six years of them,

698
00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:11,600
Speaker 2: You're not thinking about the window after that, while Eric

699
00:36:11,680 --> 00:36:14,040
Speaker 2: Neander is thinking about the window after that with Wander

700
00:36:14,239 --> 00:36:16,279
Speaker 2: And you know AJ Preller, I mean, this guy is

701
00:36:16,360 --> 00:36:18,400
Speaker 2: j R. Smith. I keep saying it, and I'm always

702
00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:20,600
Speaker 2: gonna compare a J. Preller to JR. Smith because he

703
00:36:20,719 --> 00:36:21,760
Speaker 2: just chucked shots.

704
00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:24,319
Speaker 3: He just showed it with Fraser bro like they just

705
00:36:24,440 --> 00:36:27,080
Speaker 3: they just were like, oh, all right, whatever that was,

706
00:36:27,120 --> 00:36:28,960
Speaker 3: Just give me forty cents on the dollar.

707
00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:32,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that's a conversation for another time there. But

708
00:36:32,360 --> 00:36:35,120
Speaker 2: I mean, like he showed it with Tatis, right, like

709
00:36:35,160 --> 00:36:37,759
Speaker 2: you're gonna see it more and more. You know, the

710
00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:40,160
Speaker 2: Red Sox have what two more years of arbitration with

711
00:36:40,239 --> 00:36:43,120
Speaker 2: Raffi Devers. But I could totally see him Bloom offering

712
00:36:43,239 --> 00:36:47,960
Speaker 2: Devers this massive extension just to bypass those years of arbitration.

713
00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:52,000
Speaker 2: That is the Rick Hans special. He bypasses arbitration. Did

714
00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:53,880
Speaker 2: it with Muncata, did it with Tim Anderson, did it

715
00:36:53,880 --> 00:36:56,560
Speaker 2: with Alloyd, did it with Luis Robert. All these guys

716
00:36:56,560 --> 00:36:59,439
Speaker 2: are bypassing arbitration. That's the way to go to buy

717
00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:02,239
Speaker 2: a couple more years. Kim Ang knows how to do that.

718
00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:05,360
Speaker 2: Now the Marlins have a GM that is actually competent

719
00:37:05,840 --> 00:37:08,680
Speaker 2: and knows how to work in Major League Baseball in

720
00:37:08,680 --> 00:37:09,399
Speaker 2: twenty twenty one.

721
00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:13,200
Speaker 3: And anthopoulists too, someone who does that really well. And

722
00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:16,040
Speaker 3: that's a point that I really want to emphasize here

723
00:37:16,080 --> 00:37:19,080
Speaker 3: because you know, people say a lot about the Marlins

724
00:37:19,080 --> 00:37:21,280
Speaker 3: front office and a lot of like trade decisions stuff

725
00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:25,080
Speaker 3: like that. This was a kim Ang move. This is me.

726
00:37:25,560 --> 00:37:27,920
Speaker 3: I presume this was Kim Ang, you know, really on

727
00:37:27,960 --> 00:37:30,840
Speaker 3: the contract side pushing for this, and I'm hoping that

728
00:37:30,920 --> 00:37:34,240
Speaker 3: they give her some more freedom to make transactions because

729
00:37:34,560 --> 00:37:36,759
Speaker 3: this is a collaborative front office that I know for

730
00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:39,520
Speaker 3: a fact, a lot of it goes through Jeter, a

731
00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:42,319
Speaker 3: lot of it goes through Gary Denbo and I think

732
00:37:42,360 --> 00:37:45,280
Speaker 3: at times, you know, she does not get that freedom.

733
00:37:45,640 --> 00:37:48,720
Speaker 3: And this is a great move. This is a forward

734
00:37:48,760 --> 00:37:50,880
Speaker 3: thinking move that we haven't seen the Marlins make, and

735
00:37:50,920 --> 00:37:53,360
Speaker 3: it's a great start. But you know, they committed one

736
00:37:53,400 --> 00:37:55,560
Speaker 3: hundred million dollars today. Man like that That's something I

737
00:37:55,560 --> 00:37:56,680
Speaker 3: haven't seen ever.

738
00:37:56,880 --> 00:37:59,839
Speaker 2: Really, how about the other fifty with.

739
00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:05,919
Speaker 3: You know, it's tough to complain about spending money when

740
00:38:06,600 --> 00:38:10,400
Speaker 3: they never spend money. But you know, it's a little

741
00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:13,640
Speaker 3: bit questionable. I think four years for a guy who

742
00:38:14,840 --> 00:38:18,160
Speaker 3: has never put together consecutive years, and I think you

743
00:38:18,160 --> 00:38:20,239
Speaker 3: can speak to this pretty well, probably as a White

744
00:38:20,280 --> 00:38:22,919
Speaker 3: Sox fan. You saw a great year from him where

745
00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:25,600
Speaker 3: he put up a one thirty WRC plus, where he

746
00:38:25,680 --> 00:38:29,120
Speaker 3: matched the baseball, where he was good defensively, but then

747
00:38:29,160 --> 00:38:31,600
Speaker 3: he followed that up with a bad year and then

748
00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:34,799
Speaker 3: you know, you look at every single season that he's had,

749
00:38:35,239 --> 00:38:39,040
Speaker 3: it's like good bad, good bad, good bad. And I

750
00:38:39,360 --> 00:38:42,480
Speaker 3: just don't know if you can count on Avice al

751
00:38:42,520 --> 00:38:46,400
Speaker 3: Garcia giving you four years of good baseball as his

752
00:38:46,520 --> 00:38:50,920
Speaker 3: defense declines and you're putting him in a cavernous outfield.

753
00:38:51,080 --> 00:38:53,000
Speaker 3: What I do like is that he's a guy that

754
00:38:53,040 --> 00:38:54,719
Speaker 3: you know is going to hit the baseball. He hits

755
00:38:54,760 --> 00:38:58,320
Speaker 3: the ball hard. He's a high floor guy that should

756
00:38:58,320 --> 00:39:01,960
Speaker 3: be a solid bat with the team that put a

757
00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:05,359
Speaker 3: lot of not solid bats out there. I just think

758
00:39:05,400 --> 00:39:07,680
Speaker 3: for a team that doesn't spend much money very often,

759
00:39:08,200 --> 00:39:09,600
Speaker 3: that's a very large commitment.

760
00:39:09,719 --> 00:39:13,080
Speaker 2: Jack, It's a very large commitment. And here's what I'll

761
00:39:13,080 --> 00:39:15,480
Speaker 2: say about OBVIOUSLYO Garcia from just watching him with the

762
00:39:15,520 --> 00:39:18,360
Speaker 2: White Sox, granted he was younger at the time. Socks

763
00:39:18,360 --> 00:39:20,799
Speaker 2: were his second stop of his big league career after

764
00:39:20,840 --> 00:39:24,320
Speaker 2: the Tigers, And you know, I sent this text to

765
00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:27,759
Speaker 2: the group and just baseball, I said, you know, we

766
00:39:27,840 --> 00:39:31,440
Speaker 2: went from Avi Garcia being tabbed baby Miggy to me

767
00:39:31,600 --> 00:39:34,239
Speaker 2: having to google what team Avi Garcia was on like

768
00:39:34,280 --> 00:39:39,000
Speaker 2: a couple of years ago. You're right, he's hot and cold.

769
00:39:39,040 --> 00:39:40,839
Speaker 2: I mean there were some nights where I would watch

770
00:39:40,880 --> 00:39:44,160
Speaker 2: Avi Garcia and say, this guy is so supremely talented.

771
00:39:44,239 --> 00:39:45,839
Speaker 2: And then there were other nights where I was like,

772
00:39:46,920 --> 00:39:49,960
Speaker 2: I don't know if this project is ever going to

773
00:39:50,080 --> 00:39:54,440
Speaker 2: like get turned in and get an A And I

774
00:39:54,560 --> 00:39:57,880
Speaker 2: think what I see with Avi Garcia is I see

775
00:39:57,880 --> 00:40:02,359
Speaker 2: a guy that's worth this type of mine. Now there's

776
00:40:02,400 --> 00:40:06,239
Speaker 2: a there's a ton of concern that it's two good

777
00:40:06,320 --> 00:40:10,840
Speaker 2: years and two shitty years, and that's based on his

778
00:40:10,920 --> 00:40:13,359
Speaker 2: track record. That's probably what the Marlins are looking at

779
00:40:13,440 --> 00:40:16,160
Speaker 2: right now. But at the end of the day, Avi

780
00:40:16,280 --> 00:40:23,800
Speaker 2: Garcia is insanely, insanely talented, and you pay insanely talented

781
00:40:23,800 --> 00:40:25,759
Speaker 2: people a lot of money to play a sport that

782
00:40:25,880 --> 00:40:30,680
Speaker 2: not many people have that talent level in yep. So

783
00:40:30,960 --> 00:40:32,279
Speaker 2: I think that's how you got to look at this

784
00:40:32,320 --> 00:40:35,680
Speaker 2: guy and like, were there better options out there? Was

785
00:40:35,680 --> 00:40:39,920
Speaker 2: one of them starling Marte for not much more money. Yes, yeah,

786
00:40:39,960 --> 00:40:41,840
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, that's.

787
00:40:41,640 --> 00:40:45,400
Speaker 3: What blows my mind is you know, And I tweeted

788
00:40:45,400 --> 00:40:49,040
Speaker 3: that out. I said, you know, I'd rather because it

789
00:40:49,080 --> 00:40:51,960
Speaker 3: was always it was always about that extra year for Marte.

790
00:40:52,080 --> 00:40:55,160
Speaker 3: The Marlins were always worried about that age thirty seven year.

791
00:40:55,880 --> 00:40:58,200
Speaker 3: I have more faith than Starling Martey in a corner

792
00:40:58,239 --> 00:41:00,719
Speaker 3: outfield spot at age thirty seven, that I do have

793
00:41:01,480 --> 00:41:05,560
Speaker 3: faith in AVSL Garcia at age thirty five in a

794
00:41:05,600 --> 00:41:08,840
Speaker 3: corner outfield Spot's that's just kind of what it boils

795
00:41:08,840 --> 00:41:10,359
Speaker 3: down to for me. And I think the track record

796
00:41:10,440 --> 00:41:13,080
Speaker 3: speaks for itself. And you have a guy that's coming

797
00:41:13,080 --> 00:41:16,719
Speaker 3: off of a career year. I mean, last year's f

798
00:41:16,800 --> 00:41:20,840
Speaker 3: War alone for Starving Marte is more than the last

799
00:41:20,880 --> 00:41:25,240
Speaker 3: four seasons combined for AVCL Garcia. But you know, again,

800
00:41:25,640 --> 00:41:29,359
Speaker 3: it's good for the Marlins that they needed a you know,

801
00:41:29,520 --> 00:41:33,200
Speaker 3: established bat, and relative to what they have, he's established.

802
00:41:33,560 --> 00:41:36,200
Speaker 3: But the guy needs to walk more and be honest,

803
00:41:36,719 --> 00:41:39,200
Speaker 3: but he still moves well eighty eight percent tileng sprints speed.

804
00:41:39,200 --> 00:41:40,920
Speaker 3: Hopefully could start taking better routes to the ball in

805
00:41:40,920 --> 00:41:43,640
Speaker 3: the outfield. Maybe something clicks there. But it's still a

806
00:41:43,640 --> 00:41:46,759
Speaker 3: boost for a team that really needed it. And you know,

807
00:41:47,040 --> 00:41:49,840
Speaker 3: I'm not going to complain anytime this team finally spends money.

808
00:41:49,880 --> 00:41:51,320
Speaker 3: But what I will say, though, the last thing on

809
00:41:51,360 --> 00:41:53,000
Speaker 3: the Marlins is that they're going to make a big

810
00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:55,919
Speaker 3: splash in the trade department. And remember that I said

811
00:41:55,920 --> 00:41:58,680
Speaker 3: this because it's going to happen, and I'm hoping it's

812
00:41:58,680 --> 00:42:01,240
Speaker 3: Ciedric Mullens, but they're going to make a big splash.

813
00:42:01,280 --> 00:42:02,880
Speaker 3: They're going to make a big trade in the next

814
00:42:03,080 --> 00:42:05,839
Speaker 3: twenty four to forty eight and I think it'll kind

815
00:42:05,840 --> 00:42:07,560
Speaker 3: of all make sense a little bit more after that.

816
00:42:08,040 --> 00:42:12,360
Speaker 2: I've heard Mullins too. Let's end the pod with a

817
00:42:12,360 --> 00:42:16,440
Speaker 2: fun exercise. One sentence and Peter and I are going

818
00:42:16,520 --> 00:42:18,759
Speaker 2: to talk a whole bunch more about the Mets and

819
00:42:18,880 --> 00:42:23,280
Speaker 2: Shures are on tomorrow's pod. From each of us, one

820
00:42:23,440 --> 00:42:27,719
Speaker 2: sentence on what just happened over the last couple hours

821
00:42:27,840 --> 00:42:29,840
Speaker 2: with Max Schures or in the New York Mets.

822
00:42:30,680 --> 00:42:33,560
Speaker 3: You go first, Wait what happened with them?

823
00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:37,120
Speaker 2: Just one sentence on your thoughts on Max Sure's or

824
00:42:37,160 --> 00:42:40,600
Speaker 2: the Mets, like that whole thing. The contract being floated

825
00:42:40,640 --> 00:42:41,439
Speaker 2: around right now.

826
00:42:44,239 --> 00:42:47,319
Speaker 3: Oh man, I can go first, if you want, you

827
00:42:47,400 --> 00:42:48,279
Speaker 3: go first.

828
00:42:49,320 --> 00:42:53,399
Speaker 2: My one sentence thought on this right now, forty two

829
00:42:53,560 --> 00:42:56,799
Speaker 2: million dollars annually is so much money to pay a

830
00:42:56,840 --> 00:43:00,480
Speaker 2: forty year old. Yeah, that's my one sentence.

831
00:43:01,400 --> 00:43:04,880
Speaker 3: Uh, I'm gonna I'm gonna just say you basically, you

832
00:43:04,920 --> 00:43:09,080
Speaker 3: got to bribe guys to go to queens that's a

833
00:43:09,080 --> 00:43:11,960
Speaker 3: good one. That's that's what it's come down to for me.

834
00:43:12,200 --> 00:43:15,480
Speaker 3: I think it's clear, and like he's not even jumping

835
00:43:15,520 --> 00:43:17,600
Speaker 3: at that. This deal isn't even done yet. Bro, Like

836
00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:20,240
Speaker 3: at forty two million a year, forty two at forty

837
00:43:20,760 --> 00:43:23,200
Speaker 3: this guy should be he should be flying in New

838
00:43:23,280 --> 00:43:26,240
Speaker 3: York right now. He should be picking out apartments in Queens. Again,

839
00:43:26,320 --> 00:43:30,440
Speaker 3: they're still thinking about it. He's shopping around, like, Yo,

840
00:43:30,760 --> 00:43:33,839
Speaker 3: anybody else want to match this? Everyone's like, no, are

841
00:43:33,840 --> 00:43:37,160
Speaker 3: you crazy? And he's like please, somebody like even though,

842
00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:38,399
Speaker 3: just get close to it.

843
00:43:38,960 --> 00:43:42,239
Speaker 2: Oh, Like I mean, listen to bring up uh, to

844
00:43:42,239 --> 00:43:44,360
Speaker 2: bring up Lincoln Riley one more time? Like if I

845
00:43:44,440 --> 00:43:46,960
Speaker 2: was Max Schurzer, I'd be canceling the Coaches Show? Did

846
00:43:46,960 --> 00:43:50,799
Speaker 2: you see Lincoln Riley? Just like he apparently told the

847
00:43:50,840 --> 00:43:54,200
Speaker 2: guy hosting his Coaches show yesterday that he was gonna

848
00:43:54,239 --> 00:43:57,600
Speaker 2: be He was gonna be a couple hours late. He

849
00:43:57,640 --> 00:43:59,920
Speaker 2: told him right at showtime and the show was supposed

850
00:43:59,960 --> 00:44:02,239
Speaker 2: to start, and then like an hour later he said, yeah,

851
00:44:02,239 --> 00:44:03,520
Speaker 2: I'm not going to be there. It turned out he

852
00:44:03,560 --> 00:44:06,919
Speaker 2: was already in southern California, just wasn't in the state

853
00:44:06,920 --> 00:44:10,600
Speaker 2: of Oklahoma. Anymore. Like if I was sureser, if if

854
00:44:10,680 --> 00:44:13,200
Speaker 2: I was offered forty two million dollars in my age

855
00:44:13,239 --> 00:44:15,480
Speaker 2: forty season, I mean I would pull a Lincoln Riley

856
00:44:15,520 --> 00:44:17,000
Speaker 2: and just jump ship and be like, oh, yeah, I

857
00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:18,640
Speaker 2: don't live in Norman, Oklahoma anymore.

858
00:44:19,080 --> 00:44:21,799
Speaker 3: No, I'm done. No, I don't see you.

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Speaker 2: Like literally, Chernobyl, just evacuate.

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Speaker 3: Yep, that sounds good to me. Who's going to coach

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Speaker 3: mi Miami Hurricanes. That's the next question for the next episode.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that is the good question for the next episode.

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Speaker 2: I mean, billion apiers at Florida. That was a good hire.

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Speaker 2: Lincoln Riley was a home run higher Cliffkingsbury to.

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Speaker 3: You know where I live. You know what, I live

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Speaker 3: in New York. But where I am right now, my

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Speaker 3: home when I'm home for the holidays is Boca Ratone,

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Speaker 3: also known as Lane Kiffin Land, because Lane Kiffin staked

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Speaker 3: his freaking claim here. Lane Kiffin in Miami would be

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Speaker 3: a disaster that I'm here for, So you know, maybe

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Speaker 3: we'll see Lane Kiffin don and the U.

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Speaker 2: No, man, I'm thinking I'm thinking Lane to Lsu if

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Speaker 2: he's going anywhere.

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Speaker 3: I kind of like that too.

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Speaker 2: I kind of like it too. All right, that's arm

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Speaker 2: I'm jack. Every link you need is in the episode description.

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Speaker 2: There is also a link to Arham's article kind of

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Speaker 2: highlighting the big moves of a Sunday's free agent frenzy.

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Speaker 2: He's gonna be typing away for the next forty eight hours,

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Speaker 2: so check out all his stuff at just baseball dot com.

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Speaker 2: I mean, this guy is gonna be sitting down his

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Speaker 2: venty coffee right next to him, and he's gonna say,

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Speaker 2: let's go. I'm not looking up from my laptop for

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Speaker 2: ten hours.

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Speaker 3: I'm getting the Dan Campbell Special. I'm gonna be typing away.

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Speaker 2: You gotta make the sound effect too, to espresso, just disgusting.

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Speaker 2: All right, you say thank you.

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Speaker 3: Everybody, Thank you, folks.

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Speaker 2: It's one fifty nine am. We're getting out before too.

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Speaker 3: Pat