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Speaker 1: Another loss and more injuries. There have been a lot

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Speaker 1: of both. Unfortunately this season got Paul Calvic with me

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Speaker 1: Bird Gang. Cardinals lose their home finalite despite a much

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Speaker 1: better starts, a much better run game, but just not

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Speaker 1: enough plays made time to discuss. It's Cardinals Cover two,

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Speaker 1: Episode nine six two, and it starts now.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to Cardinals Cover two.

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Speaker 3: Who to Baker?

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Speaker 1: What Heart? What rent?

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Speaker 3: This guy's unbelievable?

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Speaker 3: Right at the five hit the ends up for the

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Speaker 3: Cardinal touchdown, Drey McBride, he's been an absolute monster.

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Speaker 2: Here's Craig Grioler.

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Speaker 1: So, Paul, have you checked the calendar because I'm a

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Speaker 1: little worried about you and where you're at, considering that

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Speaker 3: Are you talking about my holiday shopping? Because no, Craig,

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Speaker 3: I'm still behind. I work well on deadline though, is

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Speaker 3: that what you're talking about? Or you have somewhere else

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Speaker 3: two full days plus half of whatever's left on your Monday.

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Speaker 3: I don't know what you got scheduled for the rest

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Speaker 1: But again I'm a little worried here as we speak

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Speaker 1: a couple of days before Thursday. Well, you pick your spots,

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Speaker 1: you come in, you know, I sort of treat it.

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Speaker 1: I'm the farthest thing from like an FBI agent, But

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Speaker 1: I come in boom out of nowhere, and I just

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Speaker 1: I'm sort of stealth and come in, have an exact target.

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Speaker 1: I pinpointed, I bomb in, I bomb out, I make

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Speaker 1: the purchase. None of this like Ron Wolfley walking around

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Speaker 3: Well, Jason, what about this storm? What can I find? No,

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Speaker 3: that's inefficient. We can't have that. I'm running the no huddle.

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Speaker 3: It's just like, let's get in, let's get out, let's

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Speaker 3: have a plan. I might play scripted and then boom,

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Speaker 1: What you should have done is is what a lot

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Speaker 1: of fans did at Sunday's game, is head of the

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Speaker 1: in the store. Paul, I don't know what you were

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Speaker 3: But still, yeah, it's not like we're not busy on

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Speaker 3: There's some gallows humor for you, But see when the

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Speaker 3: person you're buying gift for my wife doesn't know a

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Speaker 1: Of presidence alone, right, I mean, that is the gift

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Speaker 1: that keeps on giving, It's right, calvc Household.

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Speaker 3: Well, I'm so polypathetic at this point in trying to

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Speaker 3: buy a gift, Craig. It's just too much for me.

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Speaker 3: I'll be honest with you. Twenty plus years of marriage,

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Speaker 3: it's Christmas, it's Valentine's Day. It's one more than I'm forgetting.

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Speaker 3: What is it? I don't know, but there's at least

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Speaker 3: I'm like, you know, I'm out of gift ideas. I'm

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Speaker 3: me pictures like for stuff that's way out of my budget, Like, okay,

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Speaker 1: Well, we'll see what happens with Paul ahead of Christmas Day.

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Speaker 1: We do know what happened to the Cardinals on Sunday.

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Speaker 1: They lose their home finale. The Atlanta Falcons win twenty

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Speaker 1: already brought it up, and let's start there. Because as

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Speaker 1: You can replace the player. You can always find somebody

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Speaker 3: And he said at his locker on Friday, two things. One,

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Speaker 1: high for him and again a big off season for

432
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Speaker 1: Michael Wilson. You like to see it. You love the

433
00:22:37,160 --> 00:22:40,639
Speaker 1: accountability as well, because then you get to how the

434
00:22:40,680 --> 00:22:45,360
Speaker 1: game ended, and that was the interception Jacoby Brissett targeting

435
00:22:45,560 --> 00:22:49,640
Speaker 1: Michael Wilson and CJ. Henderson making an unbelievable diving attempt

436
00:22:49,720 --> 00:22:52,919
Speaker 1: at that football and stayed in bounds or at least

437
00:22:53,080 --> 00:22:58,080
Speaker 1: the play stood nothing obvious to overturn the interception. But

438
00:22:58,720 --> 00:23:02,280
Speaker 1: asked about it Postgamey said, it's my fault, Michael. Now

439
00:23:02,359 --> 00:23:05,560
Speaker 1: that's on me. Well, you look at the all twenty

440
00:23:05,600 --> 00:23:08,600
Speaker 1: two from the sideline angle, and yeah, Michael Wilson probably

441
00:23:08,640 --> 00:23:11,159
Speaker 1: could have given a little bit more of an effort

442
00:23:11,359 --> 00:23:14,200
Speaker 1: to go after that football and not Wait, I don't

443
00:23:14,240 --> 00:23:18,480
Speaker 1: think he exactly knew where CJ was because Henderson raced

444
00:23:18,520 --> 00:23:22,120
Speaker 1: up the sideline and almost kind of got there, got

445
00:23:22,160 --> 00:23:25,240
Speaker 1: to the spot where Michael should have been before Michael,

446
00:23:25,280 --> 00:23:28,320
Speaker 1: And obviously we know what happened. And Cardinals with an

447
00:23:28,320 --> 00:23:31,480
Speaker 1: opportunity at the end to attempt to tie the ballgame,

448
00:23:31,520 --> 00:23:33,520
Speaker 1: send it in overtime, or maybe go for two and

449
00:23:33,560 --> 00:23:37,080
Speaker 1: win the ballgame. But the offense on the field with possession,

450
00:23:37,280 --> 00:23:40,080
Speaker 1: with an opportunity thanks to the defense, which we'll get

451
00:23:40,119 --> 00:23:43,240
Speaker 1: into here momentarily, but ultimately coming up short.

452
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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's one thing to fail to cash in that

453
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Speaker 3: last possession. It's another thing when what you consider to

454
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Speaker 3: be a mental mistake, that's Michael Wilson, you know, should

455
00:23:52,480 --> 00:23:55,480
Speaker 3: should have gone after that football. Obviously the dB is

456
00:23:55,520 --> 00:23:59,000
Speaker 3: behind him, and I think it's natural to presume he

457
00:23:59,119 --> 00:24:02,160
Speaker 3: just sort of lost act of the whereabouts and didn't

458
00:24:02,160 --> 00:24:05,119
Speaker 3: think for a minute that the DV had any chance

459
00:24:05,160 --> 00:24:08,280
Speaker 3: of getting anywhere near that football. I know, just from

460
00:24:08,280 --> 00:24:10,480
Speaker 3: the sideline and watching it across the field because it

461
00:24:10,480 --> 00:24:12,960
Speaker 3: went to the far sideline from where we are. When

462
00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:15,359
Speaker 3: Jacoby Brissette let go of that ball, I'm like, wow,

463
00:24:15,440 --> 00:24:18,040
Speaker 3: is he thrown that away? That that's how wide of

464
00:24:18,080 --> 00:24:21,120
Speaker 3: the mark it was. And then when that TV made

465
00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:25,000
Speaker 3: the diving catch, that was crazy. I didn't believe it

466
00:24:25,040 --> 00:24:29,200
Speaker 3: either at first. But yeah, that's you know again, that's

467
00:24:29,280 --> 00:24:31,919
Speaker 3: finished drives, finished games, and you had a chance with

468
00:24:32,119 --> 00:24:34,840
Speaker 3: just over two minutes to go. The defense gets you

469
00:24:34,920 --> 00:24:37,840
Speaker 3: the ball after another stuff on fourth and one. They

470
00:24:37,880 --> 00:24:39,960
Speaker 3: had done that earlier in the fourth quarter, causing the

471
00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:42,520
Speaker 3: funnel turnover on downs. Here you go, you got a

472
00:24:42,520 --> 00:24:46,400
Speaker 3: little momentum. Here comes the offense. Jacoby Brissett, your experienced quarterback.

473
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Speaker 3: You got your three big targets out there. The old

474
00:24:49,080 --> 00:24:51,600
Speaker 3: line had been battling, and you know, the run game

475
00:24:51,640 --> 00:24:53,560
Speaker 3: was better than the pass protection. I thought, you know,

476
00:24:53,880 --> 00:24:56,080
Speaker 3: at times, you know, he was really getting hit and

477
00:24:56,080 --> 00:24:59,359
Speaker 3: harassed and getting pressured almost instantly. So that was a

478
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Speaker 3: factor in the game, and I think that was most

479
00:25:01,640 --> 00:25:04,560
Speaker 3: definitely a factor in only sixteen completions. I love to

480
00:25:04,600 --> 00:25:06,720
Speaker 3: know time to throw and just what the analytics said

481
00:25:06,760 --> 00:25:09,119
Speaker 3: on that front, because it didn't seem like he was

482
00:25:09,640 --> 00:25:12,520
Speaker 3: hurried in his reads a little bit more not didn't

483
00:25:12,520 --> 00:25:14,200
Speaker 3: have the ability to get that second third and even

484
00:25:14,240 --> 00:25:16,000
Speaker 3: four to three because he's so good at going through

485
00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:19,119
Speaker 3: his progressions. Didn't have that luxury against that Atlanta defense

486
00:25:19,119 --> 00:25:21,080
Speaker 3: that was number two in sacks coming into the game

487
00:25:21,119 --> 00:25:23,200
Speaker 3: and really showed you a lot of different looks than

488
00:25:23,280 --> 00:25:26,360
Speaker 3: a Houston opponent that was content to rush. For Atlanta,

489
00:25:26,440 --> 00:25:28,440
Speaker 3: they're gonna dial different things up, they're gonna make the

490
00:25:28,480 --> 00:25:30,560
Speaker 3: O line think, they're gonna bring different guys from different

491
00:25:30,560 --> 00:25:34,320
Speaker 3: spots at different times, and so that was problematic. But

492
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Speaker 3: that turnover at the very end disappointing. You know, he

493
00:25:37,480 --> 00:25:40,600
Speaker 3: just like I'm not saying the Cardinals deserve to win.

494
00:25:40,680 --> 00:25:43,240
Speaker 3: It just seemed like you deserved a little better outcome

495
00:25:43,400 --> 00:25:45,240
Speaker 3: and a better chance of going down the field.

496
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Speaker 1: It's the play that happened before that, converting on third

497
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Speaker 1: and eleven to Elijah Higgins nineteen yards. Okay, third and

498
00:25:52,880 --> 00:25:55,600
Speaker 1: eleven after a false star penalty. Here we go again,

499
00:25:55,880 --> 00:25:59,480
Speaker 1: but you converted. And then the very next play is

500
00:25:59,560 --> 00:26:02,520
Speaker 1: the turn over, and that's a okay, well, that's that's

501
00:26:02,560 --> 00:26:05,680
Speaker 1: the story of the season. Something good, but it follows

502
00:26:05,680 --> 00:26:08,240
Speaker 1: with something bad. It's the taking a couple of steps

503
00:26:08,280 --> 00:26:10,680
Speaker 1: forward only to go backwards. And in the end, you're

504
00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:14,119
Speaker 1: not going anywhere, and the Cardinals aren't going to the postseason.

505
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Speaker 3: My little game log that I keep on the sideline,

506
00:26:17,240 --> 00:26:20,000
Speaker 3: the you know, the spiral notebook over here, the reporter's notebook,

507
00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:21,920
Speaker 3: as you know. And the players give me a hard

508
00:26:21,960 --> 00:26:23,679
Speaker 3: time because they can't read a single thing on this.

509
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Speaker 1: Here's here, here's here's my notes. Paul, and we can

510
00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:28,280
Speaker 1: compare boys, you know. Yeah, they have no chance of

511
00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:30,160
Speaker 1: that either. Yeah, you know, the two of us really

512
00:26:30,160 --> 00:26:32,439
Speaker 1: we're the written version of wind Talkers. If you go

513
00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:34,800
Speaker 1: watch that movie, you know they you know, the enemies

514
00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:37,600
Speaker 1: can't crack the code because they can't read our writing.

515
00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:40,719
Speaker 1: I wrote down on that third and eleven that preceded

516
00:26:40,760 --> 00:26:44,200
Speaker 1: the interception. That's a great point by you. I put JB.

517
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Speaker 1: Jacoby Brissett to eighty four. Elijah Higgins and I wrote

518
00:26:47,080 --> 00:26:51,000
Speaker 1: one word pinball because he just pinballed off guys. It

519
00:26:51,080 --> 00:26:53,560
Speaker 1: was sort of like Michael Carter the week before in

520
00:26:53,600 --> 00:26:54,639
Speaker 1: Houston and the gout.

521
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Speaker 3: To have it third down. You just get these guys

522
00:26:57,680 --> 00:27:00,800
Speaker 3: with that extra intensity and it's just great to see

523
00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:04,520
Speaker 3: them break multiple tackles and achieve the line to gain.

524
00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:08,520
Speaker 3: And it kind of is reminiscent to me of Trey

525
00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:12,399
Speaker 3: Benson mimicking James Connor middle of last season. It's almost

526
00:27:12,440 --> 00:27:16,240
Speaker 3: like Elijah Higgins. Now some of that Trey McBride, you know,

527
00:27:16,320 --> 00:27:19,000
Speaker 3: refusing to go down with just one dude, making two

528
00:27:19,119 --> 00:27:22,320
Speaker 3: three guys take you down yards after contact. You know,

529
00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:25,200
Speaker 3: Higgins is really incorporated and evolved that into his game.

530
00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:29,399
Speaker 1: You look at the numbers postgame next Gen stats ninety

531
00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:33,600
Speaker 1: one receiving yards, sixty eight after the catch.

532
00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:34,080
Speaker 3: Nice.

533
00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:36,840
Speaker 1: So that's something we always talk about with Trey McBride.

534
00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:39,760
Speaker 1: What are you doing once you catch the football? Yeah,

535
00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:43,320
Speaker 1: are you being thrown open? But you secure that football

536
00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:45,880
Speaker 1: and then you turn to aluded defender or you break

537
00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:47,880
Speaker 1: a couple of tackles. Now, I don't know if Elijah

538
00:27:47,920 --> 00:27:50,719
Speaker 1: is gonna hurtle any defenders, but if we see that

539
00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:54,040
Speaker 1: later this season or next season, then yeah, you are

540
00:27:54,119 --> 00:27:56,240
Speaker 1: learning from the guys that are ahead of you on

541
00:27:56,240 --> 00:27:59,760
Speaker 1: the depth chart. I think it's a great comparison. James Connor,

542
00:27:59,760 --> 00:28:04,399
Speaker 1: try Benson, Trey McBride, Elijah Higgins, and depending on what

543
00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:07,520
Speaker 1: his offense looks like next season, you've got Trey, You've

544
00:28:07,560 --> 00:28:11,520
Speaker 1: got Elijah. And remember this is a player and Elijah Higgins,

545
00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:13,960
Speaker 1: who had never been in a three point stance, had

546
00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:17,840
Speaker 1: never played tight end before arriving to the Miami Dolphins

547
00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:21,280
Speaker 1: after his sorry Paul stellar career at Stanford. Yeah, he

548
00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:24,360
Speaker 1: was a wide receiver in that room with Michael Wilson

549
00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:27,760
Speaker 1: and Simmy Fajoko and was converted into a tight end.

550
00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:32,520
Speaker 1: So this is year three four, Elijah correct. So that's

551
00:28:33,040 --> 00:28:37,199
Speaker 1: again the trajectory for him as a probably more so

552
00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:39,960
Speaker 1: a pass catching tight end. Now, how much has he

553
00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:42,560
Speaker 1: improved in the run game as far as blocking. But

554
00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:45,200
Speaker 1: that's someone as you look late in the season, Okay,

555
00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:48,120
Speaker 1: that's someone that you can circle and say, all right,

556
00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:51,080
Speaker 1: we might not start, but he is certainly very capable

557
00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:53,320
Speaker 1: because he's he's done it, he did it on Sunday,

558
00:28:53,320 --> 00:28:54,280
Speaker 1: He's had success.

559
00:28:54,560 --> 00:28:56,360
Speaker 3: I mean, that's one room when you go into the

560
00:28:56,360 --> 00:29:00,240
Speaker 3: offseason presuming knock on wood, Tip Ryanman is going to

561
00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:02,840
Speaker 3: be back and make a full recovery by training camp.

562
00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:05,720
Speaker 3: And I have no idea, but if if that is

563
00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:08,760
Speaker 3: the case, then you were good at tight end. I mean,

564
00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:11,360
Speaker 3: think about it. Trey McBride, best in the business, Elijah

565
00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:13,680
Speaker 3: Higgins up and coming, you still think there's potential to

566
00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:16,800
Speaker 3: maximize He's and he was one of your best playmakers

567
00:29:16,840 --> 00:29:20,400
Speaker 3: on that field. He's physical, He's getting better in the blocking.

568
00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:22,920
Speaker 3: You know. Ben Steel, America's tight end coach love. Ben

569
00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:26,280
Speaker 3: Steel talked about how the good news about Elijah Higgins

570
00:29:26,320 --> 00:29:28,360
Speaker 3: when he came to the Cardinals making the transition to

571
00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:30,560
Speaker 3: tight end was he didn't have any bad habits in

572
00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:32,880
Speaker 3: the blocking game. So you know, he's sort of like

573
00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:34,959
Speaker 3: this piece of clay. You can mold him. You can

574
00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:37,760
Speaker 3: give him the right habits, the right techniques, the fundamentals.

575
00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:39,640
Speaker 3: So he's improved a lot at the point of attack.

576
00:29:40,040 --> 00:29:42,120
Speaker 3: And then of course Tip Bryan and the physical dude,

577
00:29:42,320 --> 00:29:44,720
Speaker 3: you know, hashtag who wants some You bring him back

578
00:29:44,760 --> 00:29:47,560
Speaker 3: and you figure he's hungrier than ever to go next

579
00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:50,440
Speaker 3: year after losing most of this season. So that's one

580
00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:54,320
Speaker 3: area you feel really good about and depending on exactly

581
00:29:54,320 --> 00:29:56,320
Speaker 3: what you're gonna do with your scheme, you know, if

582
00:29:56,360 --> 00:29:58,560
Speaker 3: you want to go twelve and thirteen personnel, well you're

583
00:29:58,600 --> 00:29:59,480
Speaker 3: certainly equipped.

584
00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:03,720
Speaker 1: On the other side defensively, someone that we should highlight

585
00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:08,200
Speaker 1: year two. Maybe it is finally that light switch has

586
00:30:08,280 --> 00:30:11,959
Speaker 1: come on for Darius Robinson, who statistically and even what

587
00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:15,240
Speaker 1: we saw in our own eyes, had his best game

588
00:30:15,360 --> 00:30:19,520
Speaker 1: of his career seven tackles plus part of both fourth

589
00:30:19,560 --> 00:30:23,200
Speaker 1: down stops in the second half. He recovered the fumble

590
00:30:23,280 --> 00:30:26,800
Speaker 1: on the botched handoff on fourth and one, and then

591
00:30:26,840 --> 00:30:31,040
Speaker 1: it was Darius and Dalvin Tomlinson that stopped Tyler Algier

592
00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:33,720
Speaker 1: for no gain on that fourth and one that gave

593
00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:37,440
Speaker 1: the offense one final attempt to either win it or

594
00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:39,440
Speaker 1: at least tie it and send it to overtime. But

595
00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:43,560
Speaker 1: I think because anytime you hear Pash and AQ bring

596
00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:47,160
Speaker 1: up someone defensively make a tackle, sometimes it's kind of

597
00:30:47,240 --> 00:30:49,920
Speaker 1: you lose sight of it watching it on TV, you're

598
00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:53,480
Speaker 1: paying more attention to who's carrying the football. But to

599
00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:57,080
Speaker 1: hear Darius Robinson's name more times than I think at

600
00:30:57,120 --> 00:31:00,680
Speaker 1: any point this season tells me that he is doing

601
00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:04,960
Speaker 1: something a lot better, whether that is shedding blockers, making

602
00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:08,920
Speaker 1: sure that he's a part of that final play. And

603
00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:12,400
Speaker 1: then obviously it's okay, well, you hope someone is making

604
00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:15,480
Speaker 1: a play, considering you lose Josh Wett, you lose Walter Nolan,

605
00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:18,000
Speaker 1: and of course someone's got to step up. Maybe that's

606
00:31:18,080 --> 00:31:19,240
Speaker 1: Darius Robinson here late.

607
00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:23,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's playing the game and then there's impacting the game, right,

608
00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:27,240
Speaker 3: And he's been playing, he's been getting reps, and he's

609
00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:29,840
Speaker 3: been grading out in the eyes of the coaches at

610
00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:32,320
Speaker 3: least what Johnathan again and Nick rosis tell us, you know,

611
00:31:32,560 --> 00:31:36,440
Speaker 3: real well in the run game. But it's making those

612
00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:39,800
Speaker 3: plays that changed the game. And that's what had been

613
00:31:39,800 --> 00:31:42,920
Speaker 3: missing with Darius Robinson, and that's why his name had

614
00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:45,680
Speaker 3: not been getting called with the same frequency as a

615
00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:49,600
Speaker 3: Walter Nolan, as a Josh Swat obviously even Kolay, especially

616
00:31:49,640 --> 00:31:52,760
Speaker 3: earlier in the year. So I think the big challenge

617
00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:56,920
Speaker 3: with Darius Robinson was a gap integrity, make sure you're

618
00:31:56,920 --> 00:31:59,680
Speaker 3: in the right spot at the right time. B And

619
00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:03,480
Speaker 3: by the way, my understanding was the Cardinals simplified things

620
00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:06,680
Speaker 3: going against Atlanta in that run game this week, that

621
00:32:06,840 --> 00:32:10,840
Speaker 3: because of the attrition, because of the injuries. You have

622
00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:14,720
Speaker 3: a really complex and at times complicated defensive front that

623
00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:17,080
Speaker 3: you run well. Entire scheme. You know, Matthew Stafford and

624
00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:19,200
Speaker 3: other quarterbacks talk about the Cardinal's scheme. It can be

625
00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:21,920
Speaker 3: really hard to read. But you know it also leaves

626
00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:25,400
Speaker 3: you vulnerable to some mental errors and some poor run fits.

627
00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:27,880
Speaker 3: And you saw that at times against Houston. The fifty

628
00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:30,440
Speaker 3: yard run they gave up in Houston, They're basically it

629
00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:32,760
Speaker 3: was a bad fit at all three levels of the defense.

630
00:32:32,760 --> 00:32:35,520
Speaker 3: All right, simplify things here we go. I thought Dalvin

631
00:32:35,560 --> 00:32:39,040
Speaker 3: Thomason benefited from that. Just let him eat, let him

632
00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:42,560
Speaker 3: just go ahead and separate. And then I think that

633
00:32:42,680 --> 00:32:44,600
Speaker 3: was a little contagious. And maybe it was a benefit

634
00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:48,360
Speaker 3: for Darius Robinson as well, his ability to get off blocks,

635
00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:50,560
Speaker 3: not just tie up his man, because an offensive linement

636
00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:52,960
Speaker 3: is more than happy to tie you up. That's their

637
00:32:53,040 --> 00:32:56,120
Speaker 3: job account for you make sure you don't get off

638
00:32:56,560 --> 00:32:59,240
Speaker 3: and impact that play. So Darius Robinson was able to

639
00:32:59,280 --> 00:33:02,920
Speaker 3: shed blocks, get in running lanes, get into the backfield,

640
00:33:03,520 --> 00:33:05,960
Speaker 3: and just the eyeball test had to have been his

641
00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:06,800
Speaker 3: best game as a pro.

642
00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:10,040
Speaker 1: Now you just hope that he can piggyback that with

643
00:33:10,120 --> 00:33:13,520
Speaker 1: two more performances like that knock on Wood provided that

644
00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:16,840
Speaker 1: he and everyone else stay healthy. But can you have

645
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Speaker 1: some confidence, more confidence going into the offseason. Hey, year

646
00:33:20,520 --> 00:33:23,800
Speaker 1: two I figured things out. Remember year one he was

647
00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:26,800
Speaker 1: not one hundred percent healthy. He dealt with a calf injury,

648
00:33:27,160 --> 00:33:30,880
Speaker 1: a loss in his family, he lost his mom, So

649
00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:34,640
Speaker 1: it was a struggle for him his rookie year year two,

650
00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:38,680
Speaker 1: again part of that defensive line rotation. But to your point,

651
00:33:38,760 --> 00:33:41,280
Speaker 1: he's playing the game. Can he have an impact? And

652
00:33:41,320 --> 00:33:43,280
Speaker 1: I think for the first time this season he had

653
00:33:43,320 --> 00:33:45,000
Speaker 1: an impact against the Falcons.

654
00:33:45,080 --> 00:33:47,680
Speaker 3: I'll give you an example. And stance stats aren't everything

655
00:33:47,720 --> 00:33:51,600
Speaker 3: for a three technique interior d lineman. But going into

656
00:33:51,840 --> 00:33:55,479
Speaker 3: that game against Atlanta, he had one quarterback pressure all

657
00:33:55,600 --> 00:34:01,400
Speaker 3: year one, So you know, Waltern Nolan at quarterback pressures

658
00:34:01,840 --> 00:34:05,600
Speaker 3: from the get go. So and I think that's been beneficial.

659
00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:09,160
Speaker 3: Ninety seven is helped, fifty six, fifty six I think

660
00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:11,440
Speaker 3: is realized. Oh wait a minute, you know there doesn't

661
00:34:11,440 --> 00:34:14,360
Speaker 3: have to be a learning curve, you don't have to

662
00:34:14,840 --> 00:34:18,160
Speaker 3: Does Walter Nolan know exactly what he's doing? I'm guessing no,

663
00:34:18,719 --> 00:34:21,160
Speaker 3: I'm guessing you know, and this is a question I'd

664
00:34:21,160 --> 00:34:24,520
Speaker 3: love to ask Kaleis Campbell in year eighteen, how many

665
00:34:24,520 --> 00:34:26,239
Speaker 3: of the plays you make are you making with just

666
00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:30,400
Speaker 3: your football IQ your experience. You know, obviously you're six hat,

667
00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:32,440
Speaker 3: you got all the physical tools, but you don't have

668
00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:35,480
Speaker 3: that athleticism of an early twenty year old like a

669
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Speaker 3: Walter Nolan, or like you did back in two thousand

670
00:34:37,600 --> 00:34:39,160
Speaker 3: and eight when you were a Cardinals rookie and actually

671
00:34:39,160 --> 00:34:42,040
Speaker 3: on a kickoff team, believe it or not. So you know,

672
00:34:42,040 --> 00:34:43,880
Speaker 3: there are different ways to make plays. You can make

673
00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:46,360
Speaker 3: plays with your SAVIN and your experience and your football

674
00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:48,920
Speaker 3: IQ and acumen, or you can make plays or just

675
00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:55,880
Speaker 3: sheer athletic dominance, violence and motor and being disruptive. Walter

676
00:34:55,960 --> 00:34:58,960
Speaker 3: Nolan is that guy, and Daris Robinson obviously has the

677
00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:02,440
Speaker 3: physical skill set to be that dude as well. But

678
00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:05,319
Speaker 3: someone who didn't start playing football until his junior year

679
00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:08,080
Speaker 3: of high school, you know, maybe maybe some of the

680
00:35:08,120 --> 00:35:11,920
Speaker 3: instinctual stuff isn't quite there as as organic as a

681
00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:15,200
Speaker 3: Walter Nolan has been playing since Pop Warner and so

682
00:35:15,560 --> 00:35:17,600
Speaker 3: you know, he's he's a guy that you know, maybe

683
00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:20,560
Speaker 3: in year three for Darius Robinson we'll see you about

684
00:35:20,600 --> 00:35:23,440
Speaker 3: these last two games. But maybe that's his breakout season,

685
00:35:23,520 --> 00:35:26,000
Speaker 3: not unlike Michael Wilson in year three had a breakout year.

686
00:35:26,120 --> 00:35:29,040
Speaker 1: Darius Robinson on the field for fifty six percent of

687
00:35:29,080 --> 00:35:32,120
Speaker 1: the defensive snaps. He was the highest as far as

688
00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:36,520
Speaker 1: snap count is considered among the defensive linemen played the most.

689
00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:38,879
Speaker 1: You bring up Kalais Campbell. I want to close with him,

690
00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:41,320
Speaker 1: But first things first, unless it is going to be Kaalais,

691
00:35:41,320 --> 00:35:44,960
Speaker 1: but do the Angry Bird Award for Sunday before we

692
00:35:45,040 --> 00:35:49,040
Speaker 1: close with Kalais Campbell, and perhaps think that it might

693
00:35:49,080 --> 00:35:52,400
Speaker 1: have been Kalais's final home game and what was happening

694
00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:55,759
Speaker 1: post game where you had a front row seats of

695
00:35:55,760 --> 00:35:58,960
Speaker 1: what was going on with Khalais and his family, very

696
00:35:59,040 --> 00:36:02,600
Speaker 1: large family and a lot of people wearing number ninety

697
00:36:02,640 --> 00:36:05,200
Speaker 1: three uniforms down there. But again, maybe maybe it is

698
00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:08,640
Speaker 1: Kalais that's the Angry Bird Award for his another blocked

699
00:36:08,760 --> 00:36:09,840
Speaker 1: kick as well.

700
00:36:10,080 --> 00:36:13,920
Speaker 3: That's true, you know what, he definitely merits consideration, and

701
00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:18,560
Speaker 3: Darius Robinson would be someone who definitely would be worthy

702
00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:21,799
Speaker 3: of the Angry Bird Award. But you know what, I'm

703
00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:24,239
Speaker 3: gonna go with a guy who and played in at

704
00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:27,879
Speaker 3: least a month, and a guy threw his body all

705
00:36:27,880 --> 00:36:30,520
Speaker 3: over the field, a guy who had to fill in

706
00:36:30,600 --> 00:36:33,640
Speaker 3: when Garrett Williams got carted off, and a guy who

707
00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:36,440
Speaker 3: ended up tied for the team lead and tackles, and

708
00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:39,640
Speaker 3: that would be Rabbit Taylor Demerson. You know, we talk

709
00:36:39,680 --> 00:36:44,480
Speaker 3: about the most hillatious play or hillatious player. That's basically

710
00:36:44,520 --> 00:36:47,440
Speaker 3: the gist the genesis of the Angry Bird Award, and

711
00:36:47,520 --> 00:36:50,279
Speaker 3: Darius and Claius would definitely be deserving, but I'm gonna

712
00:36:50,280 --> 00:36:52,640
Speaker 3: go with Rabbit. Just I thought he set a tone

713
00:36:52,680 --> 00:36:54,840
Speaker 3: back there. I mean a couple of times he shook

714
00:36:54,880 --> 00:36:57,960
Speaker 3: himself up, he brought he brought the lumber to such

715
00:36:57,960 --> 00:36:59,719
Speaker 3: a degree it took him a moment to get off

716
00:36:59,719 --> 00:37:03,080
Speaker 3: the turn. But I just I enjoyed watching him play,

717
00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:06,360
Speaker 3: and minus Jalen Thompson, which I thought was really problematic,

718
00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:08,319
Speaker 3: and Houston wasn't nearly as much a problem now that

719
00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:11,359
Speaker 3: Rabbit was backing. In this game against Atlanta.

720
00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:15,680
Speaker 1: A season high and career high seventy five snaps played

721
00:37:15,719 --> 00:37:19,719
Speaker 1: by Rabbit, who I've never seen come to the sideline,

722
00:37:20,040 --> 00:37:23,359
Speaker 1: jog into the blue medical tents, get evaluated, jog out

723
00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:26,920
Speaker 1: of the blue medical tent and immediately ahead to the field. Okay,

724
00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:29,360
Speaker 1: I guess you're okay, and then of course be involved

725
00:37:29,640 --> 00:37:31,640
Speaker 1: in a number of tackles on Sunday.

726
00:37:32,040 --> 00:37:34,360
Speaker 3: I just like his style of play. Again, we talk about,

727
00:37:34,440 --> 00:37:38,440
Speaker 3: you know, veterans rubbing off on rookies or young guys.

728
00:37:38,719 --> 00:37:43,160
Speaker 3: You know, his ability to run into the darkness, as

729
00:37:43,200 --> 00:37:47,040
Speaker 3: they say about Buddha Baker. Rabbit has that and we've

730
00:37:47,080 --> 00:37:50,280
Speaker 3: seen that since you know, he was a rookie, since

731
00:37:50,920 --> 00:37:53,840
Speaker 3: those preseason games. I mean, he'll lay the lumber on you.

732
00:37:53,960 --> 00:37:56,920
Speaker 3: He will come with a running start across the field

733
00:37:57,160 --> 00:38:00,759
Speaker 3: and he'll give you a form tackle. So he's there

734
00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:03,560
Speaker 3: not just to tackle. He's there to deliver a statement

735
00:38:03,600 --> 00:38:06,040
Speaker 3: of physicality. And so I like his brand of ball.

736
00:38:06,080 --> 00:38:09,279
Speaker 3: And it sort of makes sense the Cardinals I d'd

737
00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:11,640
Speaker 3: him in the draft process. They already had a Buddha

738
00:38:11,640 --> 00:38:14,279
Speaker 3: Baker and a Jalen Thompson. He is quite in the

739
00:38:14,320 --> 00:38:16,520
Speaker 3: same mold as a similar type safety, and you saw

740
00:38:16,560 --> 00:38:19,000
Speaker 3: a valuable that can be Jesse Bates was actually for

741
00:38:19,040 --> 00:38:19,839
Speaker 3: Atlanta in the game.

742
00:38:20,040 --> 00:38:23,799
Speaker 1: No question about Rabbit and his future at the Arizona Cardinals. Now,

743
00:38:23,920 --> 00:38:27,680
Speaker 1: the future of Klais Campbell. Don't know anything, but again,

744
00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:30,319
Speaker 1: and I know Khalais was asked about it postgame and

745
00:38:30,560 --> 00:38:34,560
Speaker 1: no decision has been made, But it was not hard

746
00:38:34,640 --> 00:38:38,000
Speaker 1: to notice what was happening immediately after that ball game.

747
00:38:38,239 --> 00:38:40,920
Speaker 1: As I mentioned, a number of family and friends. Now

748
00:38:40,960 --> 00:38:43,920
Speaker 1: Kalais does have a Casida, bought it this season for

749
00:38:43,960 --> 00:38:46,640
Speaker 1: his family and friends, so they're at every single game.

750
00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:50,400
Speaker 1: It just seemed like the numbers had doubled for that

751
00:38:50,520 --> 00:38:54,080
Speaker 1: home finale on Sunday. Believe everyone was wearing a ninety

752
00:38:54,080 --> 00:38:57,040
Speaker 1: three except for Klayis. For whatever reason, he wasn't wearing

753
00:38:57,080 --> 00:38:59,920
Speaker 1: the ninety three. But it was always fun to see

754
00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:02,760
Speaker 1: how these players interact with their families. Again winter lose

755
00:39:03,880 --> 00:39:06,320
Speaker 1: families don't care. I mean, yeah that you want, you

756
00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:09,880
Speaker 1: want to be successful, but did you come out healthy?

757
00:39:10,080 --> 00:39:13,160
Speaker 1: How you feeling and the joy on their faces to

758
00:39:13,200 --> 00:39:17,880
Speaker 1: see you perform. Again, don't know anything, but if it

759
00:39:17,960 --> 00:39:23,000
Speaker 1: is year eighteen and that's it for Klayus, certainly congratulations

760
00:39:23,160 --> 00:39:25,840
Speaker 1: and we still have two more road trips. But that

761
00:39:26,040 --> 00:39:29,120
Speaker 1: was perhaps the final game at State Farm Stadium.

762
00:39:29,160 --> 00:39:31,560
Speaker 3: He was the last guy off the field. Now, he

763
00:39:31,600 --> 00:39:34,240
Speaker 3: didn't run around the field sort of if memory serves,

764
00:39:34,280 --> 00:39:36,960
Speaker 3: Kurt Warner did high fiving guys in the front row,

765
00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:38,840
Speaker 3: all the fans in the front row. He didn't go

766
00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:42,239
Speaker 3: to that extent, but he certainly took a long time.

767
00:39:42,239 --> 00:39:44,440
Speaker 3: And remember he played for Atlanta, so he was at

768
00:39:44,480 --> 00:39:46,080
Speaker 3: the middle of the field and he was stapping up

769
00:39:46,080 --> 00:39:49,200
Speaker 3: a lot of guys and reminiscing and talking to different guys.

770
00:39:49,239 --> 00:39:51,879
Speaker 3: And then yes, he came over to the casita. Yes,

771
00:39:52,239 --> 00:39:55,400
Speaker 3: it was a maximum occupancy. It definitely appeared to be.

772
00:39:55,480 --> 00:39:57,560
Speaker 3: Now he comes to the casita after every single game,

773
00:39:57,600 --> 00:40:00,720
Speaker 3: and you know it greets his family beforehands the locker room.

774
00:40:01,160 --> 00:40:04,320
Speaker 3: But it did definitely have an air to it that. Okay,

775
00:40:04,680 --> 00:40:06,759
Speaker 3: he was calling it a career, you know, sort of

776
00:40:06,760 --> 00:40:09,160
Speaker 3: reminded me of maybe like a JJ Watt at the

777
00:40:09,200 --> 00:40:12,080
Speaker 3: end of his career something like that. So we'll see

778
00:40:12,120 --> 00:40:15,920
Speaker 3: two games to go. He's been an unbelievable mentor in

779
00:40:15,960 --> 00:40:18,640
Speaker 3: that locker room, There's no question about it. I mean,

780
00:40:18,680 --> 00:40:21,560
Speaker 3: he holds court over in the locker you know, by

781
00:40:21,600 --> 00:40:24,640
Speaker 3: where he is, and guys gather around, media gathers around,

782
00:40:24,680 --> 00:40:29,520
Speaker 3: and it's really an interesting dynamic. I just you can't

783
00:40:29,960 --> 00:40:32,959
Speaker 3: put a value on what he's brought to the team,

784
00:40:33,040 --> 00:40:35,239
Speaker 3: both on the field and off in the locker room

785
00:40:35,280 --> 00:40:37,600
Speaker 3: and beyond, with all those guys in that room.

786
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Speaker 1: If Klayus wants to come back, by all means bring

787
00:40:40,440 --> 00:40:44,719
Speaker 1: him back. He and a Kelvin Beacham are more valuable

788
00:40:45,120 --> 00:40:48,000
Speaker 1: for the experience and the knowledge that they have. And

789
00:40:48,080 --> 00:40:51,400
Speaker 1: yes they can still perform, but it's always good to

790
00:40:51,520 --> 00:40:54,200
Speaker 1: have guys like that in the locker room that can

791
00:40:54,280 --> 00:40:59,600
Speaker 1: hold players accountable. And sometimes you hear it differently better

792
00:40:59,800 --> 00:41:03,839
Speaker 1: for your peers as opposed to your position coach, your

793
00:41:03,880 --> 00:41:06,600
Speaker 1: head coach. It's no different than if you have kids.

794
00:41:06,680 --> 00:41:08,840
Speaker 1: Do they listen to your parents or do they listen

795
00:41:08,920 --> 00:41:12,959
Speaker 1: to their teachers and their friends. Sometimes they can get

796
00:41:13,080 --> 00:41:15,960
Speaker 1: through to them better than you can as a parent.

797
00:41:16,080 --> 00:41:19,520
Speaker 1: So again that's the value of a Kaleis Campbell in

798
00:41:19,640 --> 00:41:22,320
Speaker 1: any locker room. But certainly what the Arizona.

799
00:41:21,960 --> 00:41:24,440
Speaker 3: Cardinals, and it is amazing you're on a team that

800
00:41:24,560 --> 00:41:28,320
Speaker 3: leads the NFL has had an epic season in terms

801
00:41:28,320 --> 00:41:31,800
Speaker 3: of injuries. It is staggering. Yet the guy in season eighteen,

802
00:41:31,880 --> 00:41:35,359
Speaker 3: the guy in season fourteen, knock on what again, They're

803
00:41:35,440 --> 00:41:40,080
Speaker 3: still standing, They're still bawling. They are still huge components.

804
00:41:40,120 --> 00:41:42,840
Speaker 3: Of what you are doing. Kelvin Beachman and Kaleis Campbell.

805
00:41:42,880 --> 00:41:45,160
Speaker 3: It is remarkable to look at guy age thirty nine,

806
00:41:45,239 --> 00:41:48,640
Speaker 3: guy aged thirty six, and they're two of the last

807
00:41:48,680 --> 00:41:49,360
Speaker 3: men standing.

808
00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:52,439
Speaker 1: Well, Paul, you and I are still standing here on

809
00:41:52,480 --> 00:41:55,759
Speaker 1: this Monday, You though, have extra work to be done

810
00:41:55,840 --> 00:41:59,080
Speaker 1: outside of the coaches show later on this afternoon. But

811
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Speaker 1: I wish you all the luck in the world, not

812
00:42:01,960 --> 00:42:04,040
Speaker 1: on the Cardinals coaches, not on the Cardinals game plane.

813
00:42:04,080 --> 00:42:06,680
Speaker 1: You've got that on lock. I'm talking about what awaits

814
00:42:06,719 --> 00:42:09,839
Speaker 1: you perhaps once you leave here from the Dignity Health

815
00:42:09,880 --> 00:42:11,160
Speaker 1: Arizona Cardinals Training Center.

816
00:42:11,239 --> 00:42:13,319
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I'm gonna need it. You know, it really

817
00:42:13,400 --> 00:42:15,279
Speaker 3: was a little unecessary. We had Kelvin Beachram on the

818
00:42:15,280 --> 00:42:17,680
Speaker 3: Big Red Rage. So he's the starting right tackle of

819
00:42:17,680 --> 00:42:20,400
Speaker 3: an NFL team. He's a father, a husband, a mentor,

820
00:42:21,160 --> 00:42:24,040
Speaker 3: just put out a children's book. He's your Walter Payton

821
00:42:24,040 --> 00:42:26,239
Speaker 3: Man of the Year Award nominee for the third time

822
00:42:26,280 --> 00:42:29,319
Speaker 3: in his career, and he has already finished all his

823
00:42:29,360 --> 00:42:31,239
Speaker 3: holiday shopping. I mean, I just thought that was a

824
00:42:31,239 --> 00:42:34,680
Speaker 3: little too much little, you know. Cliff Kingsbury used to

825
00:42:34,800 --> 00:42:36,840
Speaker 3: use the word super extra I thought that was super

826
00:42:36,880 --> 00:42:39,200
Speaker 3: extra and unnecessary, to be quite honest, Well.

827
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Speaker 1: They put you in your place, Paul, because what have

828
00:42:40,680 --> 00:42:41,400
Speaker 1: you done?

829
00:42:41,680 --> 00:42:44,200
Speaker 3: Time management? Time management? I mean, I don't know. Does

830
00:42:44,239 --> 00:42:46,080
Speaker 3: he have people for that? I don't know. Does he

831
00:42:46,120 --> 00:42:47,600
Speaker 3: have people to go on and get this done for him?

832
00:42:47,600 --> 00:42:48,400
Speaker 3: I'd really like to know.

833
00:42:48,600 --> 00:42:51,799
Speaker 1: We'll let Paul get to work his regular work and

834
00:42:51,840 --> 00:42:55,240
Speaker 1: then what awaits him after he leaves here on this Monday.

835
00:42:55,719 --> 00:42:58,760
Speaker 1: Wish everyone nothing to bet the best here this holiday season.

836
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Speaker 1: Of course, we'll be back with you on Wednesday, one

837
00:43:02,360 --> 00:43:06,560
Speaker 1: more final time before the Christmas Day holiday. On that notes,

838
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Speaker 1: we will put a lid on this edition of Cardinals

839
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Speaker 1: Cover two, presented by Hyundai, proud partner of the Arizona Cardinals.

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Speaker 1: As always, special thanks to our executive producer Jim Momanre

841
00:43:15,200 --> 00:43:18,279
Speaker 1: our associate producer Coddy Fincher. For Paul Calvic, I'm Craig

842
00:43:18,360 --> 00:43:20,000
Speaker 1: Real Lou. We'll talk to you next time here on

843
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Speaker 1: Cardinals Cover two