WEBVTT - The OTP | NFL Scouting Combine Day 2 with Mike Vrabel

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<v Speaker 1>dot com. Wednesday, in Indianapolis at the NFL Combine, Amy

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<v Speaker 1>Wells is here, Coach Dave McGinnis is here. Rhett Bryan

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<v Speaker 1>is here. I'm Mike Keith. We're glad to have you

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<v Speaker 1>with us. And it's heating up. It is heating up.

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<v Speaker 1>But Amy just made the comment there seems to be

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<v Speaker 1>a lot more activity in here today and that's to

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<v Speaker 1>be expected because Thursdays when they get on the field.

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<v Speaker 1>But last night it started to move around. Interviews are

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<v Speaker 1>going on. But as the week progresses, it will start

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<v Speaker 1>to pick up and then it will decidedly slow down.

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<v Speaker 1>In the last day, a lot of people will vacate.

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<v Speaker 1>Other than and that's just the way it is. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of people will vacate, But right now we're

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<v Speaker 1>we're in the middle of the storm now. Rhet Brian

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<v Speaker 1>ran Carthon spoke at the podium yesterday. He also spoke

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<v Speaker 1>to us on the OTP grades for him overall just

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<v Speaker 1>outstanding and talking to people with how he sort of

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<v Speaker 1>handled himself and handled some of the tough questions. I

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<v Speaker 1>think the line I liked the most is that he said,

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<v Speaker 1>we're not going to discuss contract negotiations publicly. You know

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<v Speaker 1>this is something this is not how this works. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>He did talk about Ryan Tannehill, gave him a vote

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<v Speaker 1>of confidence, and I think that was something interesting that

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<v Speaker 1>you figured he was going to have to answer. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I think he did really well. What jumped out to

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<v Speaker 1>you Amy about the Tannehill comments from ran Carthon that

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<v Speaker 1>they were noncommittal in in a lot of different ways.

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<v Speaker 1>So on one hand, obviously he was one percent correct.

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<v Speaker 1>He is under contract for the Tennesseeans. He is our

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<v Speaker 1>quarterback as it stands right now. I think that he

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<v Speaker 1>said a lot of great things about what he has

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<v Speaker 1>done for this team, what he is able to do,

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<v Speaker 1>his talent level, his level of trust in Ryan Tannehill,

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<v Speaker 1>and what he's able to provide as a quarterback. He

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<v Speaker 1>also didn't say anything definitive, and that's the thing that

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<v Speaker 1>we're reading all over the place now is that Ryan

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<v Speaker 1>Tannehill is the guy forever. That's not really what he said.

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<v Speaker 1>What he talked about was very cut and dry. This

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<v Speaker 1>is the reality of the situation. We're excited that that

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<v Speaker 1>is the reality of the situation. He in no way

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<v Speaker 1>said anything disparaging about Ryan Tanner A vote of confidence

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<v Speaker 1>one percent, And I don't think that there's anybody who

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<v Speaker 1>has been around Bryan Tannehill who would say anything disparaging

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<v Speaker 1>about him. I think the four of us would all agree.

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<v Speaker 1>If you're putting a percentage on Tannehill returning, it's a

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<v Speaker 1>pretty strong percentage. Okay, yeah, it's it's high. I think

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<v Speaker 1>the expectation that most people have is that that's what's

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<v Speaker 1>going to happen. He's going to be the quarterback in

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<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty three. But Dave McGinnis, he left the door open,

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<v Speaker 1>and he's left the door open on several things because

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<v Speaker 1>and this is what I think is already showing a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of maturity about Rancarthon is he doesn't want to

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<v Speaker 1>back himself in a corner. Mike, You're so right. He

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<v Speaker 1>just handled it very, very professionally. Amy put it exactly right.

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<v Speaker 1>He stated the obvious right now, and he is not

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<v Speaker 1>in a position to show his hand on anything that

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<v Speaker 1>he wants to do here right now, at this juncture,

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<v Speaker 1>at this point, in the game. There's no reason for

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<v Speaker 1>him to do anything other than he did. But he

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<v Speaker 1>handled it very well. He wasn't nervous, he wasn't like

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<v Speaker 1>he was hiding anything, which he wasn't. But he also

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<v Speaker 1>very strictly said, as you know as rheta, there's some

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<v Speaker 1>things I can't talk about right now, and we won't

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<v Speaker 1>as an organization. We won't air these things in public

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<v Speaker 1>right now because there are decisions to be made that

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<v Speaker 1>it's important that we get everything lined up before we

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<v Speaker 1>make decisions. Can I share my favorite ran Carthon ism.

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<v Speaker 1>We've heard him say it a couple different times now,

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<v Speaker 1>and I've never really gotten to talk about how much

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<v Speaker 1>I love it. When he speaks on his philosophy, he

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<v Speaker 1>says that we are not collectors of talent. We are

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<v Speaker 1>building a football team. And that brings me so much

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<v Speaker 1>joy because you see teams that you very clearly look

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<v Speaker 1>at and you say, they just want all of the

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<v Speaker 1>good players, but not always do all of the good

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<v Speaker 1>players fit together and make a cohesive or frankly successful team.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think that that's something that during the offseason

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<v Speaker 1>we all look around, we say, WHOA look at that team,

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<v Speaker 1>look at everything they've done, and then they go three

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<v Speaker 1>and fourteen, and it's like, what happened? They were collectors

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<v Speaker 1>of talent, they weren't building a football team. And it

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<v Speaker 1>brings me so much joy that he continues to reiterate

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<v Speaker 1>that that is the goal, because I'm not interested in

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<v Speaker 1>a monstar's team. I am interested in a sustainable, long

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<v Speaker 1>term football team. This sucessful. Another thing I took away

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<v Speaker 1>from his pressor and conversation here at this table is

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<v Speaker 1>that he had all of the position coaches for the

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<v Speaker 1>Titans give him fifteen to twenty cut ups of what

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<v Speaker 1>they're looking for and the techniques that they're trying to implement. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>Mike Vrabel talked to us about that as well, saying

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<v Speaker 1>that hey, listen, you know, let's not go crazy with that.

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<v Speaker 1>We want to have collectively the same kinds of ideas

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<v Speaker 1>in the approach. Not only do the personnel we're looking for,

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<v Speaker 1>but the teaching approach you have led us very well

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<v Speaker 1>into our first interview, our talk with Mike Vrabel, a

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<v Speaker 1>chance to discuss several things with the Titans head coach.

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<v Speaker 1>Here's Mike Vrabel with us from Indy on the OTP. Mike,

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<v Speaker 1>you've been here since the weekend, a lot going on

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<v Speaker 1>for you with the competition committee. What came out of

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<v Speaker 1>all that that you were pleased with that you'll take

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<v Speaker 1>to the owners meetings at the end of March. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>still have another day I think, or at least some

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<v Speaker 1>conversations that will go into really just want to try

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<v Speaker 1>to get some clarifications, uh, just so that our fans

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<v Speaker 1>and everybody understands we're trying to make the officiating as

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<v Speaker 1>consistent as possible. Right now, there's there's a range, and

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<v Speaker 1>we feel like that there should be a tighter target

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<v Speaker 1>area between groups of officials, right group or official one

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<v Speaker 1>to seventeen, those crews should be a little tighter than

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<v Speaker 1>what their what their pattern is and how everybody sees

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<v Speaker 1>it and hopefully he sees it the same. So we're

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<v Speaker 1>trying to trying to do that, trying to clean up

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<v Speaker 1>what replay assists looks like, um, but there's so much

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<v Speaker 1>more as it's players safety and welfare and trying to

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<v Speaker 1>take these helmet impacts and contacts and try to get

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<v Speaker 1>them down and always try to get them down and

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<v Speaker 1>continue to figure out and decide what's what's realistic and

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<v Speaker 1>what's what's best for the game, what's best for the players, um,

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<v Speaker 1>the technology of football, the future of football, international program.

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<v Speaker 1>You know. So there's a lot, just more than than

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<v Speaker 1>what goes on on the three hours on Sunday. How

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<v Speaker 1>much do those conversations, having them now during the off

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<v Speaker 1>season get your brain churning for things maybe you might

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<v Speaker 1>want to tweak within your own system. I think you're

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<v Speaker 1>always looking to do things, um, within the rules, um,

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<v Speaker 1>but also to try to gain and whatever advantage that

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<v Speaker 1>you possibly could, whether that's formationally. There's you know a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of conversation about the the push on the quarterback

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<v Speaker 1>sneak and you know where our tolerances is, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>for for that play and what we think that that

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<v Speaker 1>may you know, look like, or um, just how we

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<v Speaker 1>want to try to tackle the quarterback. I think that,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I think Mike Tomlin put it best. We're

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<v Speaker 1>always tell them what they can do. We need to

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<v Speaker 1>tell them what they can do and try to give

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<v Speaker 1>great examples of that so that we can reasonably teach it.

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<v Speaker 1>Because it's hard to be in a position where you say, well,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know when a player asked, well, coach, what

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<v Speaker 1>should I be able to do? Or what can I

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<v Speaker 1>do here. I don't ever want to be in a

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<v Speaker 1>position where I say, I don't know, coach used as

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<v Speaker 1>a second time around the block for you on the

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<v Speaker 1>competition committee. So is there something in the second lap

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<v Speaker 1>around that maybe you didn't think about in year one

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<v Speaker 1>or is it a year to year basis based on

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<v Speaker 1>things that happened to you situationally in games. I think

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<v Speaker 1>it's just, you know, I never want to be a

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<v Speaker 1>part of a group or at input if it just

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<v Speaker 1>applies to the Tennessee Titans. I don't want that. I

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<v Speaker 1>want to try to have an open mind and think

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<v Speaker 1>about what's best for thirty two clubs, what's best for

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<v Speaker 1>every player and every fan, and not just say well,

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<v Speaker 1>we had this happened to us, so we should you know.

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<v Speaker 1>Talking about the tablets, our tablets went down out on

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<v Speaker 1>the sideline in Washington, and how the rule was written

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<v Speaker 1>in the game manual was that in less both the

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<v Speaker 1>coach's box and the and the field tablets were out,

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<v Speaker 1>than Washington would still be able to use Theirs didn't

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<v Speaker 1>think much of it at the time, just said hey,

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<v Speaker 1>we'll adjust, we'll figure it out, we'll make it work,

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<v Speaker 1>like this is what it is, but you look at it,

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<v Speaker 1>and you know that came up, and we said, well,

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<v Speaker 1>that probably makes a little bit more sense just to

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<v Speaker 1>say if they don't one side doesn't have field tablets

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<v Speaker 1>for a quarter, well then we should at least take

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<v Speaker 1>the other ones until those are back up and running.

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<v Speaker 1>So you know, that was a case where something applied

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<v Speaker 1>to us. I didn't even think about it until the

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<v Speaker 1>game ops crew. I said, oh, yeah, I guess they

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<v Speaker 1>did go out in Washington. But it was like, well,

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<v Speaker 1>we'll just keep it moving and just things like that.

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<v Speaker 1>I was watching the Super Bowl and I had one

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<v Speaker 1>question that I had to ask you, and that is

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<v Speaker 1>you have talked about and you've corrected me multiple times,

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<v Speaker 1>especially in the preseason, when I talk about points of emphasis.

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<v Speaker 1>You said, there should not be points of emphasis. We

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<v Speaker 1>should call the rule book. When the play happened late

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<v Speaker 1>in the game on the hold, and there was controversy

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<v Speaker 1>from the start with television raising the point that, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>you shouldn't call that at this point in the game.

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<v Speaker 1>You should let them play. It's hard to see it

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<v Speaker 1>in that way more or less is what the comment

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<v Speaker 1>was in your mind, based on your feeling about we

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<v Speaker 1>should call the rule book. I don't think it should

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<v Speaker 1>matter what the down and distance, So you think it

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<v Speaker 1>was absolutely the right call. I just am telling you

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<v Speaker 1>that whether I agree or disagree with the call, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>telling you that there's only one way to officiate, and

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<v Speaker 1>that's to make sure that it is what the rules are.

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<v Speaker 1>And if it's on the one yard line or at midfield,

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<v Speaker 1>or if it's first and ten or third and one

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<v Speaker 1>or fourth and one, or there's two minutes left in

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<v Speaker 1>the game or there's thirteen minutes left in the first quarter,

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<v Speaker 1>I just feel like that's the only way to get

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<v Speaker 1>this and women to do their job and feel confident

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<v Speaker 1>in officiating and taking out the interpretation. Well, do they

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<v Speaker 1>want me to know? This is what they want you

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<v Speaker 1>to do. And if you see the mechanisms, you see

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<v Speaker 1>the restriction, and you feel strongly about it, then then

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<v Speaker 1>throw the flag like that that's the only way that

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<v Speaker 1>you can ultimately get to where we've started this conversation,

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<v Speaker 1>was that to narrow the gap between the ones that

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<v Speaker 1>are called and the ones that want or that weren't,

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<v Speaker 1>or the ones that were called and we didn't want called.

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<v Speaker 1>Like that's what there's two different types of you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the grading scale is the calls that were missed or

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<v Speaker 1>the ones that were no calls that we want called,

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<v Speaker 1>or the ones that were called and we would rather

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<v Speaker 1>let go. So two things can be true. It's disappointing

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<v Speaker 1>that that play had such an impact, and yet it

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<v Speaker 1>was a foul and it had to be called. That

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<v Speaker 1>those both can be true. That it's an unfortunate time

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<v Speaker 1>to create a penalty where a Jersey's tugged their quarterbacks

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<v Speaker 1>looking at that vicinity. Not that that's part of the role,

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<v Speaker 1>but you know, I mean there's certainly a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>things that go into it, so that I don't think

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<v Speaker 1>you can officiate based on other circumstances. You mentioned player safety,

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<v Speaker 1>and there's been talk about expanding use of the guardian caps.

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<v Speaker 1>After one year, a full season of using them throughout

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<v Speaker 1>training camp, using them throughout the course of the season,

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<v Speaker 1>what did you think of them? What was the response

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<v Speaker 1>from your players? Do you think that was an effective tool?

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<v Speaker 1>I do. I think the numbers would tell us that

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<v Speaker 1>it was the number of concussions that we had in

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<v Speaker 1>training camp. I don't want to say zero, but I

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<v Speaker 1>think it was pretty darn close and there was no pushback.

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<v Speaker 1>I think Initially they maybe questioned it, but in the

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<v Speaker 1>long run, when I said, hey, just put them back

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<v Speaker 1>on for practice, like this is what we're going to do,

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<v Speaker 1>no player questioned it. No player. You know, I think

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<v Speaker 1>that that's important that we're looking out for their best interest.

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<v Speaker 1>And you know, sometimes you relax in practice and it's it's, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, something that happens and you catch a hit

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<v Speaker 1>from the side where you really weren't expecting it, and

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<v Speaker 1>that can protect that and that's a significant amount of

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<v Speaker 1>impact when you talk about reducing it fifteen to twenty

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<v Speaker 1>percent if both players have a guardian cap on. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>I think the biggest restriction was just the equipment room

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<v Speaker 1>and their ability to have to take them off and

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<v Speaker 1>put them back on. So I want to thank Joey

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<v Speaker 1>his staff for working hard to get those off for

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<v Speaker 1>the games and for us to travel, you know, and

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<v Speaker 1>then putting them back on. I think that'll be easier

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<v Speaker 1>in the new model. It sounds like that's something that's

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<v Speaker 1>going to change and help the process. This week is

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<v Speaker 1>one of the better parts for you being able to

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<v Speaker 1>sit down in front of these young men to kind

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<v Speaker 1>of peek behind the curtain see who they are. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>it's the first opportunity. Sometimes times maybe we've had some

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<v Speaker 1>exposure with him at the Senior Bowl. Um, but but

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<v Speaker 1>it's it's eighteen minutes or fifteen minutes in an informal

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<v Speaker 1>setting for them to earn another opportunity and in my mind, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>to really pique my interest for me to follow up.

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<v Speaker 1>And you know, haven't been able to watch every single player,

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<v Speaker 1>so this is an opportunity to give me reason to

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<v Speaker 1>go watch, um whatever player that maybe man I really

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<v Speaker 1>enjoyed that visit and could see him being on the

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<v Speaker 1>football team. Let's see what type of player he is

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<v Speaker 1>and and start to build a profile. So that that's critical.

0:14:36.920 --> 0:14:39.360
<v Speaker 1>We got that started last night. We'll have those again

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<v Speaker 1>tonight tomorrow morning. Um. But that we're you know, we're

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<v Speaker 1>off to a good start. You're doing that with a

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<v Speaker 1>new partner. Yeah, and Ran Carthon, how has that relationship

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<v Speaker 1>built over the last five weeks six weeks? I think

0:14:53.600 --> 0:14:56.400
<v Speaker 1>it's built been built great. Um. We haven't had a

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<v Speaker 1>whole lot of you know, we work through some some

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<v Speaker 1>things with some contracts. But I think as we start

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<v Speaker 1>to blend our staffs and to try to get those

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<v Speaker 1>two staffs to kind of understand and work together. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>excited about that that started and been going on here

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<v Speaker 1>at the Combine. We'll work through free agency, continue to

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<v Speaker 1>work and look at the roster and how we want

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<v Speaker 1>to shape this thing. Knowing that it'll look vastly different

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<v Speaker 1>in training camp or in September than it does today.

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<v Speaker 1>Understand that. But it's it's been good. It's been really

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<v Speaker 1>good just to you know, a couple new faces with

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<v Speaker 1>him and chat and so that's been really good to

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<v Speaker 1>kind of hear their perspective and start to work. Some

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<v Speaker 1>new faces within your coaching staff as well, and some

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<v Speaker 1>people kind of changed around with some different roles and responsibilities.

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<v Speaker 1>How do you take this week to kind of understand

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<v Speaker 1>what it is that they're looking for in players in

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<v Speaker 1>terms of people who will be in their individual rooms

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<v Speaker 1>and kind of their style and preferences. Yeah, I want

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<v Speaker 1>theirs their preferences to be our preferences, and I and I,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, appreciate their own opinions, um as does Ran,

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<v Speaker 1>but there has to be a structure where you're starting

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<v Speaker 1>and about the type of player that we're looking for

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<v Speaker 1>and who they are as a person, what their play

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<v Speaker 1>style is, what their ability is, UH, their their willingness

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<v Speaker 1>to their capacity to learn, not only that, but their

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<v Speaker 1>willingness to learn how how hard they work at it UM.

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<v Speaker 1>And so we've we've started that, We've done that and

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<v Speaker 1>had conversations about that back at UH Saint Thomas Sports Park.

0:16:39.800 --> 0:16:43.920
<v Speaker 1>UH had got to sit down with you know, probably

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<v Speaker 1>four position coaches last night for a for an hour

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<v Speaker 1>and fifty minutes, UH in an informal setting. We went

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<v Speaker 1>through a lot of front seven players that we were

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<v Speaker 1>able to get downstairs, UH in an informal setting, and

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<v Speaker 1>it was really cool to be a part of that,

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<v Speaker 1>to watch them work and and UH, you know, bringing

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<v Speaker 1>guys through. Bobby was meeting with a d lineman just

0:17:05.600 --> 0:17:08.000
<v Speaker 1>because Big T was meeting with somebody else, and Crowe

0:17:08.119 --> 0:17:10.560
<v Speaker 1>was meeting with an inside linebacker because Bobby was meeting

0:17:10.600 --> 0:17:14.440
<v Speaker 1>with an inside linebacker. And I really really was impressed

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<v Speaker 1>by by what they were able to do last night.

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<v Speaker 1>That was their only opportunity, the way that the combines

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<v Speaker 1>set up, That was their only opportunity for those front

0:17:21.359 --> 0:17:25.200
<v Speaker 1>seven players to meet informally with coaches. And I don't

0:17:25.200 --> 0:17:27.320
<v Speaker 1>know if that was an oversight or just a scheduling,

0:17:27.359 --> 0:17:30.880
<v Speaker 1>but every other position group has two opportunities with their

0:17:31.240 --> 0:17:35.520
<v Speaker 1>position coaches to meet on an informal basis. You know, it's, hey,

0:17:35.640 --> 0:17:38.040
<v Speaker 1>I want to meet with Amy after she meets with

0:17:38.080 --> 0:17:41.080
<v Speaker 1>the Chargers, or Mike after he meets with the Bengals

0:17:41.840 --> 0:17:45.000
<v Speaker 1>and and the d line, the linebackers and the edge players.

0:17:45.040 --> 0:17:47.960
<v Speaker 1>They only had the one night last night, so we

0:17:48.160 --> 0:17:50.800
<v Speaker 1>were we were humping and jumping, and those guys did

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<v Speaker 1>a fantastic job in a small sample size like that.

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<v Speaker 1>How much of put the tape to the side, how

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<v Speaker 1>much of it? And figuring out does a guy ball?

0:18:00.800 --> 0:18:02.480
<v Speaker 1>How much of that is a part of the process.

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<v Speaker 1>I love football, Yeah, I mean, you can tell me that,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm sure that I would believe you. But I

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<v Speaker 1>can view that. I can view if a guy's out

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<v Speaker 1>there straining, fighting, if he's into it, if he's supporting

0:18:14.760 --> 0:18:17.040
<v Speaker 1>his teammates, if he's jumping up and down, if he

0:18:17.680 --> 0:18:19.800
<v Speaker 1>you know, what what what other? You know, we all

0:18:19.840 --> 0:18:22.359
<v Speaker 1>love the games, you know, we all love holding the baby.

0:18:22.440 --> 0:18:25.199
<v Speaker 1>But do we love being pregnant? And that's that's the

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<v Speaker 1>process that you have to go in and study and

0:18:27.280 --> 0:18:30.720
<v Speaker 1>find out who to believe it's some of these schools,

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<v Speaker 1>because they'll all tell you different things. How much is

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<v Speaker 1>determined already about your thirty visits to Ascension Saint Thomas

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<v Speaker 1>Sports Park before you even start the interview process here there,

0:18:45.720 --> 0:18:49.760
<v Speaker 1>there's probably been some but but not all, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I think one thing that we have been

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<v Speaker 1>able to do is isolate or identify, excuse me, some

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<v Speaker 1>of those players that we may want to bring back

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<v Speaker 1>on on as early as Tuesday and get that started

0:19:03.119 --> 0:19:05.119
<v Speaker 1>the year they shut it down with COVID. We actually

0:19:05.119 --> 0:19:07.600
<v Speaker 1>had a couple of players already in and then they

0:19:07.720 --> 0:19:11.880
<v Speaker 1>did away with visits, so that's been good. We all

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<v Speaker 1>kind of come together and say, hey, who do you

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<v Speaker 1>think and you know, if everybody's on everybody's list as

0:19:16.760 --> 0:19:19.119
<v Speaker 1>the same persons on everybody's list, and we should probably

0:19:19.119 --> 0:19:23.480
<v Speaker 1>bring them in. Some of those players would be draftable,

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<v Speaker 1>but non combine invites that we may want to look at,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, trying to find the next you know, mayor

0:19:30.440 --> 0:19:34.760
<v Speaker 1>Murphy's borrow that had draftable grade that wasn't a combine

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<v Speaker 1>invite that you bring in to get some information on.

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<v Speaker 1>Along with all of the things that you're doing here,

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<v Speaker 1>you also have a roster off guys back in Nashville,

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<v Speaker 1>that you're dealing with, and there's a lot of things

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<v Speaker 1>going on. We saw some roster moves earlier this month,

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<v Speaker 1>there's more to come with free agency looming. How do

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<v Speaker 1>you balance thinking about both worlds the upcoming draft and

0:19:56.080 --> 0:20:00.160
<v Speaker 1>these prospective players, but also the guys that you already have. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>nothing's more important than the players on your team, and

0:20:02.480 --> 0:20:06.000
<v Speaker 1>there's nothing more important, So you have to have a

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<v Speaker 1>vision for the ones that you feel like you have

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<v Speaker 1>going forward. Try to communicate with them, ask them to

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<v Speaker 1>communicate with you as far as an individual development plan,

0:20:16.600 --> 0:20:19.879
<v Speaker 1>what they saw and how they felt like their mental

0:20:20.000 --> 0:20:23.439
<v Speaker 1>and physical performance was through the course of the season,

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<v Speaker 1>what they liked about it, what they want to continue

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<v Speaker 1>to do well, and what they would like to try

0:20:29.080 --> 0:20:33.160
<v Speaker 1>to maybe focus on and change. You're in the March now,

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<v Speaker 1>it all starts. The legal tampering period is twelve days away.

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<v Speaker 1>Free agency is two weeks away. I mean it's on

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<v Speaker 1>how much of your time do you spend meeting with

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<v Speaker 1>various people for the next twelve days to fourteen days,

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<v Speaker 1>figuring out what free agency strategy looks like and then

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<v Speaker 1>rolling it forward to how that will affect what you're

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<v Speaker 1>able to do towards the draft. Well, we've done that.

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<v Speaker 1>We've done that extensively. That's part of what we've done

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<v Speaker 1>with myself and Ran and his staff and you know,

0:21:06.000 --> 0:21:09.320
<v Speaker 1>the coaches evaluated players and I watched them and we

0:21:09.400 --> 0:21:12.120
<v Speaker 1>all watched them together, and you know, try to build

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<v Speaker 1>a profile on the player and kind of feel like,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, if if this is somebody that based on

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<v Speaker 1>you know, fit and value, this is somebody we'd like

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<v Speaker 1>to add to the football team. Not not every player

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<v Speaker 1>over the out there is going to fit your team

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<v Speaker 1>from a lot of different reasons. Um. You know, free

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<v Speaker 1>agency can be tricky. You know, you have to know

0:21:30.160 --> 0:21:32.960
<v Speaker 1>who you're bringing on to the football team. And you know,

0:21:33.080 --> 0:21:36.600
<v Speaker 1>if somebody hasn't been with him or you know him

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<v Speaker 1>fairly well, and that's that's a risky proposition, just to

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<v Speaker 1>to jump into something like that. Making Tim Kelly available

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<v Speaker 1>here at the NFL combine your do offensive coordinator, the

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<v Speaker 1>decision to do that, your thought process, well, I mean,

0:21:50.160 --> 0:21:53.280
<v Speaker 1>people have a lot of questions about where we may head.

0:21:53.320 --> 0:21:57.000
<v Speaker 1>And you know, Tim didn't speak to the media this year. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>so I felt like, um, you know, it just wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>his place. I didn't think we needed to go down

0:22:03.359 --> 0:22:06.200
<v Speaker 1>that road. And so therefore I felt like I wanted

0:22:06.200 --> 0:22:09.479
<v Speaker 1>to make him available to speak on on the offense's behalf,

0:22:09.520 --> 0:22:12.919
<v Speaker 1>on his behalf, on the offensive staff's behalf, and and

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<v Speaker 1>I'm excited for that to happen here and just it

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<v Speaker 1>out and added to your staff as the running back

0:22:18.119 --> 0:22:22.000
<v Speaker 1>coach coming over from Denver, a really well thought of

0:22:22.119 --> 0:22:25.840
<v Speaker 1>guy who got his start in high school special ed

0:22:25.880 --> 0:22:29.280
<v Speaker 1>teacher Spring Westfield. Yeah, I made the Corby Meekins really

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<v Speaker 1>good program down there in Spring Texas. You'd love it.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, two football fans on a Friday night, though

0:22:37.240 --> 0:22:42.320
<v Speaker 1>you read, but that's your retirements out down This guy

0:22:42.440 --> 0:22:46.080
<v Speaker 1>has had an amazing rise. He's really well thought of.

0:22:46.560 --> 0:22:49.239
<v Speaker 1>Why bring him in? Why running backs? And what do

0:22:49.280 --> 0:22:52.040
<v Speaker 1>you hope he adds? Well, that was where the role was,

0:22:52.240 --> 0:22:55.080
<v Speaker 1>That's where the opportunity was. I had made a decision

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<v Speaker 1>about Tony and what I wanted to try to see

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<v Speaker 1>there um and met with Charles. I wanted to try

0:23:01.600 --> 0:23:03.800
<v Speaker 1>to find a way to add him. I met with

0:23:03.960 --> 0:23:07.720
<v Speaker 1>Justin was was upfront on what the role would be,

0:23:07.880 --> 0:23:11.120
<v Speaker 1>but also maybe what the vision would be. Just trying

0:23:11.119 --> 0:23:13.240
<v Speaker 1>to add a bunch of really good coaches and people

0:23:14.080 --> 0:23:18.879
<v Speaker 1>did that defensively as well at some spots. So you know,

0:23:18.880 --> 0:23:20.880
<v Speaker 1>I want people to know that it was well thought out,

0:23:20.920 --> 0:23:22.879
<v Speaker 1>it was well planned. It wasn't just something that I,

0:23:23.119 --> 0:23:25.879
<v Speaker 1>you know, threw together. I tried to, you know, and

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<v Speaker 1>it's hard. It's hard to get every person that you

0:23:28.040 --> 0:23:30.919
<v Speaker 1>want an interview, and you know, it's it's hard to

0:23:30.920 --> 0:23:33.719
<v Speaker 1>go from pro team to pro team, and sometimes that

0:23:33.800 --> 0:23:37.360
<v Speaker 1>movement isn't as supported throughout the league because you can

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<v Speaker 1>block a coach or they just they have an opportunity

0:23:39.720 --> 0:23:41.480
<v Speaker 1>at the place that they've been for a few years.

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<v Speaker 1>The mix on that offensive staff really interesting. Yeah, I

0:23:45.960 --> 0:23:49.960
<v Speaker 1>mean a totally different I mean, I'm sure they everybody

0:23:49.960 --> 0:23:53.280
<v Speaker 1>looks at football slightly differently, but that group, it would

0:23:53.280 --> 0:23:56.760
<v Speaker 1>feel like with Tim Kelly leading it, with Justin with Charles,

0:23:57.080 --> 0:24:00.639
<v Speaker 1>with Jason taking over the offensive line, Tony moving to

0:24:00.880 --> 0:24:03.320
<v Speaker 1>tight ends, and then keeping Rob Moore where he was.

0:24:03.440 --> 0:24:07.960
<v Speaker 1>I mean, it's a it's an impressive group, and well

0:24:08.000 --> 0:24:12.240
<v Speaker 1>it's only it's only as impressive as as what they

0:24:12.280 --> 0:24:15.080
<v Speaker 1>can can teach and reasonably get the players to understand

0:24:15.080 --> 0:24:18.120
<v Speaker 1>and execute that. That's the most important thing. And um,

0:24:19.160 --> 0:24:21.840
<v Speaker 1>I think and obviously I did it for a reason,

0:24:21.960 --> 0:24:25.439
<v Speaker 1>and so hopefully that that comes true, uh, and that

0:24:25.560 --> 0:24:28.719
<v Speaker 1>they are able to add their ideas together. Uh, Tim's

0:24:28.760 --> 0:24:31.280
<v Speaker 1>able to coordinate it, and everybody's able to have their

0:24:31.840 --> 0:24:35.520
<v Speaker 1>their ideas and thoughts and vision heard and then ultimately

0:24:35.960 --> 0:24:38.399
<v Speaker 1>go in a direction in which everybody is on the

0:24:38.440 --> 0:24:40.720
<v Speaker 1>same page. Good stuff, as always had got about it.

0:24:46.760 --> 0:24:53.720
<v Speaker 1>That's head coach Mike Rabel, who was extremely relax. Oh yeah,

0:24:53.760 --> 0:24:57.920
<v Speaker 1>he was chill, calm as a cucumber. Especially for him, well,

0:24:57.960 --> 0:25:00.679
<v Speaker 1>and especially for him interacting with you. You tend to

0:25:00.720 --> 0:25:05.640
<v Speaker 1>make him feisty, and he was. You make him feisty, Mike,

0:25:06.160 --> 0:25:11.000
<v Speaker 1>and he was just cool and very informative. Well, let

0:25:11.040 --> 0:25:13.119
<v Speaker 1>me say this. I was on this side of the

0:25:13.160 --> 0:25:16.000
<v Speaker 1>table with him, and I thought he was gonna twirl

0:25:16.119 --> 0:25:19.640
<v Speaker 1>this table skirt into a ball of something that looks

0:25:19.640 --> 0:25:24.480
<v Speaker 1>like a tornado trap. Here's fidgetygety, And he fidgeted with

0:25:24.520 --> 0:25:28.160
<v Speaker 1>this very headset I'm on and the wires and so yes,

0:25:28.560 --> 0:25:30.439
<v Speaker 1>he is. He was calmed to a degree, but he

0:25:30.520 --> 0:25:33.600
<v Speaker 1>I would describe him as fidgety. That's the teeth effect.

0:25:33.760 --> 0:25:37.919
<v Speaker 1>He No, he's he's an intense dude, He absolutely is.

0:25:38.040 --> 0:25:42.200
<v Speaker 1>I mean, and the intensity never turns off. Fully, can't

0:25:42.240 --> 0:25:44.199
<v Speaker 1>turn it off because that's who he is, right. I

0:25:44.280 --> 0:25:46.120
<v Speaker 1>worked for a head coach like that when I first

0:25:46.119 --> 0:25:48.160
<v Speaker 1>came into this league. I just you know that, because

0:25:48.280 --> 0:25:50.320
<v Speaker 1>that's who makes them who they are. You're talking about,

0:25:50.359 --> 0:25:54.320
<v Speaker 1>Mike Ditka. You think Vrabell remind you in some ways

0:25:54.320 --> 0:25:59.080
<v Speaker 1>of Didca similar in all the positive ways and some

0:25:59.119 --> 0:26:01.680
<v Speaker 1>of the ways that you know you've got to You've

0:26:01.680 --> 0:26:03.959
<v Speaker 1>got to be able to deal with it and know

0:26:04.080 --> 0:26:07.320
<v Speaker 1>that it's coming from a place of this is the

0:26:07.400 --> 0:26:11.000
<v Speaker 1>dudes you want leading us, That's where it comes from.

0:26:11.000 --> 0:26:13.679
<v Speaker 1>But what you said it was so true, Mike. You

0:26:13.680 --> 0:26:16.359
<v Speaker 1>can't turn it off. You can't turn it off, and

0:26:16.560 --> 0:26:20.080
<v Speaker 1>especially in this type of environment. We talked about how

0:26:20.160 --> 0:26:22.480
<v Speaker 1>rand was, you know, how he his first time out.

0:26:22.520 --> 0:26:24.840
<v Speaker 1>He was he was he was very cool, you know,

0:26:24.880 --> 0:26:27.359
<v Speaker 1>he was very measured, you know, with what he's done.

0:26:27.520 --> 0:26:30.480
<v Speaker 1>Mike Rabel's done this before, and Mike Rabel knows the

0:26:30.520 --> 0:26:33.520
<v Speaker 1>sense of urgency as to where we are and they

0:26:33.560 --> 0:26:37.280
<v Speaker 1>both do and so but Mike Rabel's going to be

0:26:37.400 --> 0:26:40.520
<v Speaker 1>Mike Vrabel. You've led us brilliantly into our next point,

0:26:40.600 --> 0:26:43.360
<v Speaker 1>which is this is great This is fantastic how you're

0:26:43.400 --> 0:26:46.879
<v Speaker 1>doing this just perfectly. The Chicago Bears are running this deal.

0:26:47.480 --> 0:26:52.600
<v Speaker 1>Every year there's a team that's basically running the draft. Generally,

0:26:53.000 --> 0:26:55.920
<v Speaker 1>it's not the team from the number one pick position.

0:26:56.040 --> 0:27:01.440
<v Speaker 1>For example, two years ago, everybody knew Jacksonville was selecting

0:27:01.440 --> 0:27:04.680
<v Speaker 1>Trevor Lawrence number one, and so they weren't running the deal.

0:27:05.119 --> 0:27:07.680
<v Speaker 1>It was it was a group of teams down the line,

0:27:07.720 --> 0:27:11.200
<v Speaker 1>who's going to trade who Jacksonville wasn't trading. Now they

0:27:11.240 --> 0:27:13.760
<v Speaker 1>could say whatever they want. They were taking Trevor Lawrence.

0:27:13.840 --> 0:27:16.520
<v Speaker 1>That was it. Chicago has the number one pick in

0:27:16.560 --> 0:27:20.040
<v Speaker 1>the draft for the first time in seventy six years

0:27:20.359 --> 0:27:23.080
<v Speaker 1>since Farm Bureau Health Plans was formed in nineteen There

0:27:23.119 --> 0:27:27.320
<v Speaker 1>it is. It all comes together a sponsor thing. But

0:27:27.440 --> 0:27:30.000
<v Speaker 1>this is so new for the Bears, a team that's

0:27:30.040 --> 0:27:33.600
<v Speaker 1>seen everything over a hundred years and has never in

0:27:33.720 --> 0:27:39.840
<v Speaker 1>modern history seen this unbelievable. And I think that's what's

0:27:39.880 --> 0:27:43.600
<v Speaker 1>exciting for them at this moment because they hold tons

0:27:43.600 --> 0:27:46.720
<v Speaker 1>of cards. Coachmac hold all the cards. They hold all

0:27:46.840 --> 0:27:50.800
<v Speaker 1>of the cards right now, and they're fortunate that they've

0:27:50.800 --> 0:27:53.760
<v Speaker 1>got a quarterback that they believe in. Yes, and so

0:27:53.880 --> 0:27:57.080
<v Speaker 1>now it's wide open to them, and there are the

0:27:58.960 --> 0:28:02.840
<v Speaker 1>smaller number of available quarterbacks at the top of this

0:28:02.960 --> 0:28:07.560
<v Speaker 1>draft plays right into their hands also because now you've

0:28:07.600 --> 0:28:13.040
<v Speaker 1>got a number of people going down through probably number nine,

0:28:13.200 --> 0:28:16.840
<v Speaker 1>maybe through fourteen that would be willing to come up

0:28:16.880 --> 0:28:20.280
<v Speaker 1>that need a quarterback as to you know, whoever they

0:28:20.359 --> 0:28:25.280
<v Speaker 1>decide they like the best at a number one. They

0:28:25.320 --> 0:28:28.840
<v Speaker 1>are sitting in the catbird seat, they are, and the

0:28:29.000 --> 0:28:32.480
<v Speaker 1>where their football team is now, Mike. They need more picks.

0:28:32.960 --> 0:28:35.840
<v Speaker 1>They need more picks because they've got a quarterback that

0:28:35.880 --> 0:28:38.720
<v Speaker 1>they believe that they can build around, but he needs

0:28:38.800 --> 0:28:42.760
<v Speaker 1>dudes around him right now. And now now is a

0:28:42.840 --> 0:28:45.720
<v Speaker 1>time this is a very vital draft for the Bears

0:28:45.960 --> 0:28:48.440
<v Speaker 1>because they've hit kind of a drought, you know, I

0:28:48.520 --> 0:28:52.200
<v Speaker 1>mean there were three and fourteen that to me, I

0:28:52.240 --> 0:28:54.960
<v Speaker 1>still can't equate that in my mind with the Chicago

0:28:55.080 --> 0:28:58.160
<v Speaker 1>Bears that I was involved with, I mean, three and fourteen.

0:28:58.200 --> 0:29:00.479
<v Speaker 1>But they've got a chance to dig out of it

0:29:00.640 --> 0:29:02.560
<v Speaker 1>just because of what you said. The name that I

0:29:02.600 --> 0:29:06.080
<v Speaker 1>select is Jeff Joniac, who is the longtime voice of

0:29:06.080 --> 0:29:09.840
<v Speaker 1>the Chicago Bears. He is a friend, he is somebody

0:29:09.920 --> 0:29:13.880
<v Speaker 1>admire a great deal and He is a tremendous announcer

0:29:14.240 --> 0:29:17.800
<v Speaker 1>who has all the insights on his club, and he

0:29:17.960 --> 0:29:20.720
<v Speaker 1>joined us on the OTP to talk about the team

0:29:20.800 --> 0:29:31.120
<v Speaker 1>running the show in this draft, the Chicago Bears. Jeff Joniac,

0:29:31.400 --> 0:29:34.360
<v Speaker 1>longtime voice of the Chicago Bears, thank you for joining us.

0:29:34.400 --> 0:29:36.920
<v Speaker 1>You're sitting next to coach Max, so I certainly am

0:29:37.000 --> 0:29:41.440
<v Speaker 1>in good hands. Liam of Mac always have well speak

0:29:41.880 --> 0:29:45.840
<v Speaker 1>speaks the truth. Oh yeah, he's got a replication. Chicago

0:29:45.920 --> 0:29:48.320
<v Speaker 1>was a pretty big part of my career and start

0:29:48.360 --> 0:29:51.040
<v Speaker 1>of it. And you know, I remember when you're a

0:29:51.040 --> 0:29:54.200
<v Speaker 1>head coach in Arizona and we're on the field as

0:29:54.240 --> 0:29:57.680
<v Speaker 1>preseason Tom Tharre, my broadcast partner, and you say, hey,

0:29:57.720 --> 0:29:59.400
<v Speaker 1>you guys, get over. I got to introduce you to

0:29:59.440 --> 0:30:02.680
<v Speaker 1>somebody is a special, special guy, special guy. Do you

0:30:02.760 --> 0:30:10.080
<v Speaker 1>know how it was? Who's that me? No? Uh? One

0:30:10.120 --> 0:30:13.960
<v Speaker 1>of our nation's type of warriors. Oh, Pat Tillman. Yes,

0:30:14.080 --> 0:30:17.840
<v Speaker 1>and I and that's the first time and he ran over, Yes, sir, Hello.

0:30:18.040 --> 0:30:21.240
<v Speaker 1>I mean you could just feel his presence. Jeff was

0:30:21.360 --> 0:30:24.240
<v Speaker 1>something all four of us could do five days on

0:30:24.360 --> 0:30:26.800
<v Speaker 1>Pat Tillman and I'd never get tired of talking about him.

0:30:27.080 --> 0:30:29.600
<v Speaker 1>If all the players I've been involved with in my career,

0:30:29.680 --> 0:30:33.000
<v Speaker 1>which you know, over thirty years coaching and then doing

0:30:33.000 --> 0:30:35.920
<v Speaker 1>this now. Pat Tillman has had more impact on my

0:30:36.000 --> 0:30:38.120
<v Speaker 1>life than anybody else, you know, for a lot of clarity,

0:30:38.160 --> 0:30:40.640
<v Speaker 1>a lot of reasons. And he drew people to him

0:30:40.720 --> 0:30:43.720
<v Speaker 1>like that because it was a it was a it

0:30:43.800 --> 0:30:48.000
<v Speaker 1>was a really really unique situation and a unique man,

0:30:48.280 --> 0:30:52.160
<v Speaker 1>just a unique man, really was. And the level of

0:30:52.280 --> 0:30:55.160
<v Speaker 1>the level of pride and what he did, but the

0:30:55.240 --> 0:30:57.680
<v Speaker 1>level of sadness and the way it happened, you know,

0:30:57.800 --> 0:31:00.960
<v Speaker 1>both of those things, Uh, take it to another place.

0:31:01.040 --> 0:31:03.640
<v Speaker 1>But Tilly and his whole family will be a big

0:31:03.680 --> 0:31:06.640
<v Speaker 1>part of me for a long time. It's an impactful dude,

0:31:06.680 --> 0:31:08.560
<v Speaker 1>that's for sure. Yeah, you've had a chance to run

0:31:08.600 --> 0:31:11.480
<v Speaker 1>into a lot of them through the course of your career. Coachmacket, you,

0:31:11.600 --> 0:31:14.640
<v Speaker 1>Jeff being in Chicago for a long time covering the

0:31:14.680 --> 0:31:17.720
<v Speaker 1>team and then now becoming the play by play voice

0:31:17.760 --> 0:31:20.520
<v Speaker 1>for over twenty years. Yeah, it's still being number twenty three.

0:31:20.600 --> 0:31:23.640
<v Speaker 1>That's twenty seven with the team pre and post before that.

0:31:23.760 --> 0:31:26.360
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, it's a Now that's a career, I guess

0:31:26.440 --> 0:31:28.560
<v Speaker 1>right right now, I made it that far. So it's

0:31:28.600 --> 0:31:32.240
<v Speaker 1>been less great place. Franchise is treating me great, the

0:31:32.280 --> 0:31:35.240
<v Speaker 1>McCaskey family and everybody that's come through over the years,

0:31:35.400 --> 0:31:36.520
<v Speaker 1>and there have been a lot of people that have

0:31:36.600 --> 0:31:40.120
<v Speaker 1>come through over the years, but there's just something special

0:31:40.160 --> 0:31:42.960
<v Speaker 1>about the Charter franchise. With all due respect to the

0:31:43.040 --> 0:31:46.360
<v Speaker 1>other thirty one, it's just it is different. And right now,

0:31:46.400 --> 0:31:50.280
<v Speaker 1>the cities I told them, you know, all gas no

0:31:50.440 --> 0:31:54.200
<v Speaker 1>breaks right now because of what the situation has unfolded

0:31:54.200 --> 0:31:56.640
<v Speaker 1>in terms of the draft and free agency to come. Yeah,

0:31:56.680 --> 0:31:59.360
<v Speaker 1>I want to ask how unusual is that? How unusual

0:31:59.400 --> 0:32:03.320
<v Speaker 1>a feeling is it for you approaching this draft with

0:32:03.360 --> 0:32:05.640
<v Speaker 1>the number one pick. I've never seen it. It's happened

0:32:05.640 --> 0:32:08.520
<v Speaker 1>in nineteen forty seven. I think that's about it for

0:32:08.560 --> 0:32:11.800
<v Speaker 1>this franchise. And you know, unless you traded for it,

0:32:11.960 --> 0:32:14.280
<v Speaker 1>you know, you realize, well, that's because you were at

0:32:14.320 --> 0:32:16.520
<v Speaker 1>the bottom of the barrel in twenty twenty two. And

0:32:16.920 --> 0:32:20.600
<v Speaker 1>I just told coach here three and fourteen didn't feel

0:32:20.600 --> 0:32:23.600
<v Speaker 1>like it. Last year. It just was exciting. Games were fun,

0:32:23.640 --> 0:32:25.120
<v Speaker 1>they were close for the most part. You were in

0:32:25.160 --> 0:32:27.920
<v Speaker 1>it until the fourth quarter. They just didn't close. And

0:32:28.160 --> 0:32:31.080
<v Speaker 1>you get this argument in Chicago from different talk show

0:32:31.120 --> 0:32:34.400
<v Speaker 1>hosts and experts, But I do really feel you have

0:32:34.440 --> 0:32:37.760
<v Speaker 1>to learn how to win. And other people say, well,

0:32:37.800 --> 0:32:40.400
<v Speaker 1>players get that done, but you still have to You

0:32:40.440 --> 0:32:43.040
<v Speaker 1>could have an all star lineup, which the Bears had

0:32:43.120 --> 0:32:46.400
<v Speaker 1>at one point several times and didn't win. They didn't

0:32:46.440 --> 0:32:49.000
<v Speaker 1>get to the playoffs. So I still feel you have

0:32:49.080 --> 0:32:50.840
<v Speaker 1>to learn how to win. It was a super young

0:32:50.880 --> 0:32:54.000
<v Speaker 1>team well, and you have a young staff leading the

0:32:54.120 --> 0:32:57.240
<v Speaker 1>charge as well, new coach, young GM So there's a

0:32:57.240 --> 0:33:00.200
<v Speaker 1>lot contributing to that excitement, I'm sure, just because because

0:33:00.240 --> 0:33:03.000
<v Speaker 1>there's so many possibilities for this team. Yeah, oh yeah, yeah,

0:33:03.160 --> 0:33:05.760
<v Speaker 1>you just nailed it. I asked Ryan Poles yesterday when

0:33:05.760 --> 0:33:08.360
<v Speaker 1>he met with Chicago media. I said, could you have

0:33:08.440 --> 0:33:11.760
<v Speaker 1>too many scenarios? And he laughed. He goes, no, we

0:33:11.800 --> 0:33:14.680
<v Speaker 1>can have enough, you know, And but you maybe you know,

0:33:14.720 --> 0:33:18.640
<v Speaker 1>you don't want to overthink everything because everything's at your feet.

0:33:18.680 --> 0:33:21.640
<v Speaker 1>I mean, you've got draft assets, you got major capital

0:33:21.720 --> 0:33:24.160
<v Speaker 1>right now. You got a young team that played so

0:33:24.200 --> 0:33:28.440
<v Speaker 1>many rookies. They outdistanced the pack by over a thousand snaps.

0:33:28.920 --> 0:33:32.800
<v Speaker 1>But they didn't play poorly. They individually, there's a lot

0:33:32.880 --> 0:33:36.880
<v Speaker 1>of guys undrafteds or late rounders, guys they picked up

0:33:36.920 --> 0:33:39.440
<v Speaker 1>from other teams that now could form part of your depth.

0:33:39.480 --> 0:33:42.120
<v Speaker 1>They may not be starters, but now you you may

0:33:42.160 --> 0:33:44.479
<v Speaker 1>have played twenty twenty two for depth, and now you're

0:33:44.520 --> 0:33:47.200
<v Speaker 1>going to bring into horses. So it'll be interesting. Well

0:33:47.280 --> 0:33:49.880
<v Speaker 1>here's the here's the thing about Chicago. Of course they've

0:33:49.920 --> 0:33:53.280
<v Speaker 1>gone through over a hundred years of so many different iterations,

0:33:53.320 --> 0:33:57.320
<v Speaker 1>but the fans have always stayed there. Yeah, they're always there,

0:33:57.360 --> 0:33:59.680
<v Speaker 1>and it you know, it was my first experience in

0:33:59.680 --> 0:34:02.080
<v Speaker 1>the National Football League and people ask me a lot,

0:34:02.320 --> 0:34:05.080
<v Speaker 1>you know about how was that starting with that group,

0:34:05.200 --> 0:34:07.440
<v Speaker 1>you know, that whole Super Bowl shuffle group and that

0:34:07.720 --> 0:34:10.920
<v Speaker 1>I said it was football camelot because you really, I mean,

0:34:10.960 --> 0:34:14.160
<v Speaker 1>the city just embraces it. I mean, it's it's it's

0:34:14.200 --> 0:34:17.360
<v Speaker 1>more than a team. It's a it's the city. And

0:34:17.640 --> 0:34:20.200
<v Speaker 1>that's what makes it go because even you know, and

0:34:20.360 --> 0:34:22.879
<v Speaker 1>Michael Jordan, that group were just starting when we were there,

0:34:22.920 --> 0:34:25.000
<v Speaker 1>and they would come watch the Bears because the Bears

0:34:25.000 --> 0:34:28.400
<v Speaker 1>were the thing. But it's it's a it's a Bears

0:34:28.440 --> 0:34:30.480
<v Speaker 1>and it's a Cubs down. Yeah, yeah, I mean, and

0:34:30.560 --> 0:34:32.359
<v Speaker 1>that's just the way it is. It is, and it

0:34:32.360 --> 0:34:36.839
<v Speaker 1>goes through you know, different generations. You know, Mike, you

0:34:36.880 --> 0:34:40.799
<v Speaker 1>know your wife's from Chicago. We got a Chicago a

0:34:40.880 --> 0:34:44.520
<v Speaker 1>Bear fan over here. Maybe I don't, I don't know,

0:34:44.680 --> 0:34:47.920
<v Speaker 1>I know, but you know, it's it's deeply rooted. But anyway,

0:34:47.960 --> 0:34:53.520
<v Speaker 1>I'm not naming names, but um, it's just you do,

0:34:53.640 --> 0:34:56.120
<v Speaker 1>you do things, events and whatever. Hey, my dad took

0:34:56.239 --> 0:34:58.880
<v Speaker 1>me to my first game and nineteen sixty nine. Have

0:34:58.920 --> 0:35:02.200
<v Speaker 1>been a fan ever since. The new wave. Like people

0:35:02.239 --> 0:35:04.279
<v Speaker 1>that I'm meeting, the young people, they you know, they're

0:35:04.320 --> 0:35:06.520
<v Speaker 1>not quite ready to start buying tickets yet, they're not

0:35:06.880 --> 0:35:10.000
<v Speaker 1>rich enough to do that, but they're they're there many.

0:35:10.280 --> 0:35:12.800
<v Speaker 1>I love that. And that's the unique thing about these

0:35:12.840 --> 0:35:17.160
<v Speaker 1>types of franchises. That's it's it's passion that is generically

0:35:18.400 --> 0:35:21.520
<v Speaker 1>nineteen sixty nine, we're in the Bobby Douglass sort of

0:35:21.640 --> 0:35:26.520
<v Speaker 1>period of exciting quarterbacks. Absolutely, and now you have Justin Fields.

0:35:27.080 --> 0:35:32.919
<v Speaker 1>Were you surprised? Relieved? Um? Please that Ryan Poles said

0:35:33.040 --> 0:35:36.600
<v Speaker 1>yesterday that he's going to be the quarterback, that Justin

0:35:36.680 --> 0:35:38.920
<v Speaker 1>Fields is going to be his quarterback in twenty twenty three.

0:35:39.080 --> 0:35:41.320
<v Speaker 1>What the Dentamy's still gonna do is due diligence in it,

0:35:41.400 --> 0:35:44.760
<v Speaker 1>which I I don't want people thinking, oh my gosh,

0:35:44.800 --> 0:35:47.080
<v Speaker 1>what's going on here. I think that's the proper thing

0:35:47.080 --> 0:35:50.319
<v Speaker 1>to do as a general managers. Uh four or five

0:35:50.400 --> 0:35:52.279
<v Speaker 1>years from now, you may be talking to some of

0:35:52.320 --> 0:35:56.600
<v Speaker 1>those guys for different reasons, you know. Uh no, uh,

0:35:57.239 --> 0:36:00.360
<v Speaker 1>justin I think if he would be not in the equation,

0:36:00.480 --> 0:36:03.720
<v Speaker 1>the city might go crazy because he's the top athlete

0:36:03.760 --> 0:36:05.640
<v Speaker 1>in the city right now. Wow, Yeah, I mean he is.

0:36:05.719 --> 0:36:10.680
<v Speaker 1>He's the most discussed. Everybody loves him, and there's still

0:36:10.680 --> 0:36:14.359
<v Speaker 1>work to be done. Obviously, dynamic runner, still developing as

0:36:14.400 --> 0:36:17.600
<v Speaker 1>a passer, and I just think one of the biggest

0:36:17.600 --> 0:36:20.359
<v Speaker 1>stories of the offseason when this league has sixteen new

0:36:20.560 --> 0:36:24.920
<v Speaker 1>offensive coordinators, I think one left to be filled. That

0:36:24.960 --> 0:36:28.120
<v Speaker 1>tells you a lot. Luke Getzi's staying in Chicago for

0:36:28.160 --> 0:36:30.279
<v Speaker 1>a second year to be in the same system. To me,

0:36:30.680 --> 0:36:33.360
<v Speaker 1>that's one of the bigger offseason stories just having the

0:36:33.440 --> 0:36:36.839
<v Speaker 1>same scheme for a developing quarterback. I think you guys

0:36:36.920 --> 0:36:40.120
<v Speaker 1>all would agree, well, especially in this era of the

0:36:40.200 --> 0:36:44.360
<v Speaker 1>National Football League, when things flip so so quickly. You know,

0:36:44.360 --> 0:36:45.840
<v Speaker 1>when I first got into the league, there there was

0:36:45.880 --> 0:36:48.200
<v Speaker 1>no free agency and no salary cap. So we grew

0:36:48.280 --> 0:36:50.680
<v Speaker 1>up with all of those players and all of the

0:36:50.680 --> 0:36:53.000
<v Speaker 1>coaches on the same staff. I mean, there was only

0:36:53.040 --> 0:36:54.920
<v Speaker 1>eight coaches on the staff and it was you know,

0:36:55.280 --> 0:36:57.640
<v Speaker 1>but now with the way that it flips, you've got

0:36:57.640 --> 0:37:00.520
<v Speaker 1>to have some sort of solidarity with the fans to

0:37:01.000 --> 0:37:03.600
<v Speaker 1>be able to embrace the new people that come in

0:37:03.719 --> 0:37:07.120
<v Speaker 1>and if you can get some consistency, and consistency at

0:37:07.160 --> 0:37:11.160
<v Speaker 1>the top is hugely important. And you can't get more consistent.

0:37:11.200 --> 0:37:14.400
<v Speaker 1>And we'd be remiss if we didn't mention this, you know,

0:37:14.480 --> 0:37:18.040
<v Speaker 1>while we're all here together talking Bears about Virginia McCaskey. Yeah,

0:37:18.080 --> 0:37:20.960
<v Speaker 1>you just you cannot get more consistent in that. You know,

0:37:21.000 --> 0:37:24.000
<v Speaker 1>one of the best human beings on earth just celebrated

0:37:24.400 --> 0:37:27.960
<v Speaker 1>home run Lumber one hundred I mean one hundred years old,

0:37:28.000 --> 0:37:33.719
<v Speaker 1>so crazy, great lady sharp sharpest can be and knows

0:37:33.719 --> 0:37:36.120
<v Speaker 1>her football. When she wants to talk about she knows

0:37:36.120 --> 0:37:39.600
<v Speaker 1>her football. So yeah, she's been amazing in that building

0:37:39.600 --> 0:37:41.400
<v Speaker 1>and kind of set the tone in the culture for

0:37:41.480 --> 0:37:43.600
<v Speaker 1>what it means to be a Bear employee and what

0:37:43.600 --> 0:37:45.720
<v Speaker 1>it means to be a Bear. As we sit here

0:37:45.760 --> 0:37:51.040
<v Speaker 1>at the NFL Scouting Combine here in Indianapolis. There's a

0:37:51.080 --> 0:37:56.560
<v Speaker 1>lot of conversation about trades and everybody moving around in

0:37:56.640 --> 0:37:59.840
<v Speaker 1>draft capital and what this draft is actually going to

0:38:00.080 --> 0:38:03.960
<v Speaker 1>end up looking like in April. Is there a position

0:38:04.160 --> 0:38:07.480
<v Speaker 1>group maybe other than quarterback even that could keep the

0:38:07.560 --> 0:38:11.360
<v Speaker 1>Bears in that number one spot if they fall in

0:38:11.400 --> 0:38:16.120
<v Speaker 1>love with a killer defensive lineman or somebody like that. Possibly.

0:38:16.239 --> 0:38:19.960
<v Speaker 1>I mean, obviously Jalen Carter's name is prominently mentioned, but

0:38:20.400 --> 0:38:23.799
<v Speaker 1>you know, it's been a constant discussion about moving down

0:38:23.920 --> 0:38:26.440
<v Speaker 1>from from Ryan as well to collect more assets, and

0:38:26.640 --> 0:38:29.479
<v Speaker 1>I think in this position that they're in, that would

0:38:29.520 --> 0:38:33.560
<v Speaker 1>be a smart move. Uh, they're looking at two, four nine.

0:38:33.600 --> 0:38:35.920
<v Speaker 1>Those are the teams that everybody's looking at in terms

0:38:35.960 --> 0:38:38.120
<v Speaker 1>of moving down. You just don't want to move down

0:38:38.160 --> 0:38:39.839
<v Speaker 1>too far. Maybe you could still move down and get

0:38:39.880 --> 0:38:41.319
<v Speaker 1>the same guy you were going to maybe take at

0:38:41.400 --> 0:38:44.439
<v Speaker 1>number one. Could you move down multiple times? Oh? Yeah,

0:38:44.480 --> 0:38:46.359
<v Speaker 1>I mean you could. I mean you could. They want

0:38:46.360 --> 0:38:48.200
<v Speaker 1>to get crazy, well, but I could see because you

0:38:48.200 --> 0:38:50.000
<v Speaker 1>want to You want to have regrets four years from

0:38:50.000 --> 0:38:52.440
<v Speaker 1>now when you're keeping five years in a row. If

0:38:52.440 --> 0:38:55.319
<v Speaker 1>you're keeping your quarterback, yeah, which it sounds like you are.

0:38:55.360 --> 0:38:58.000
<v Speaker 1>If Justin Fields is the quarterback. Then you could move

0:38:58.040 --> 0:39:00.759
<v Speaker 1>to two for Houston. You could move from two to

0:39:00.840 --> 0:39:03.040
<v Speaker 1>four for Indie, I got you. You could move from

0:39:03.040 --> 0:39:06.000
<v Speaker 1>four to nine for Carolinas through I know. I mean

0:39:06.080 --> 0:39:08.360
<v Speaker 1>what you could rack up could be like one of

0:39:08.360 --> 0:39:11.719
<v Speaker 1>those NHL trades or one of those NBA trades where

0:39:11.719 --> 0:39:14.719
<v Speaker 1>you're getting seventeen second round picks. Well, I don't know

0:39:14.840 --> 0:39:17.719
<v Speaker 1>it'll be that crazy. But I also would like to

0:39:17.760 --> 0:39:21.719
<v Speaker 1>continue to look forward to twenty four and twenty five,

0:39:21.800 --> 0:39:23.920
<v Speaker 1>so if you can land, because the worst thing you

0:39:23.960 --> 0:39:25.720
<v Speaker 1>could do is put all your eggs in one basket.

0:39:25.800 --> 0:39:28.960
<v Speaker 1>You know, Ryan is all about. Ryan Poles wants to

0:39:28.960 --> 0:39:31.840
<v Speaker 1>build something that's, like you use the word consistent. You

0:39:31.880 --> 0:39:33.839
<v Speaker 1>just want to be at the at the table every

0:39:33.920 --> 0:39:37.600
<v Speaker 1>year if you can, and continue to devote that attention

0:39:37.600 --> 0:39:39.840
<v Speaker 1>to your roster in that way. But you would agree,

0:39:40.000 --> 0:39:43.799
<v Speaker 1>if you're keeping justin fields, you're probably more likely than

0:39:43.880 --> 0:39:46.800
<v Speaker 1>not to trade the number one pick for the value

0:39:46.840 --> 0:39:49.319
<v Speaker 1>that's there. Yeah, I would say so, I would say so.

0:39:49.560 --> 0:39:51.680
<v Speaker 1>I would say, well, yeah, and as we were visiting

0:39:51.719 --> 0:39:54.160
<v Speaker 1>just a little bit before we got on before we

0:39:54.160 --> 0:39:58.040
<v Speaker 1>get on the air here, starting with the both fronts, absolutely,

0:39:58.040 --> 0:39:59.480
<v Speaker 1>that's what they I mean you go clear back to

0:39:59.560 --> 0:40:02.400
<v Speaker 1>Jim fing That's how he started this whole run in

0:40:02.480 --> 0:40:04.560
<v Speaker 1>the back in the day with it, you know. And

0:40:04.640 --> 0:40:07.560
<v Speaker 1>now you've got a chance. With the type of lineman

0:40:07.640 --> 0:40:10.960
<v Speaker 1>that are in this draft right now, the offensive and

0:40:11.040 --> 0:40:13.279
<v Speaker 1>defensive front. You don't ever want to be in this

0:40:13.320 --> 0:40:15.719
<v Speaker 1>position again, No, no, don't. You don't want to be

0:40:15.760 --> 0:40:18.080
<v Speaker 1>three and fourteen. You can't survive many of those. You

0:40:18.120 --> 0:40:20.600
<v Speaker 1>don't want to be in that butt. If you're here

0:40:20.640 --> 0:40:24.560
<v Speaker 1>and you're fortunate enough to be here with a quarterback

0:40:24.600 --> 0:40:28.040
<v Speaker 1>that you're staying with, this is a chance, yeah, no

0:40:28.120 --> 0:40:31.319
<v Speaker 1>question about it. This is the time you believe you

0:40:31.600 --> 0:40:34.600
<v Speaker 1>can make this guy into a stellar quarterback throwing the

0:40:34.600 --> 0:40:37.480
<v Speaker 1>football in addition to using his legs, the dynamic aspect

0:40:37.520 --> 0:40:40.080
<v Speaker 1>of it. Now, let's let's fill in the blanks here.

0:40:40.400 --> 0:40:43.200
<v Speaker 1>But I'm not looking anywhere past the line of scrimmage.

0:40:43.239 --> 0:40:45.080
<v Speaker 1>That's if tunnel vision right now you go, And I

0:40:45.120 --> 0:40:47.040
<v Speaker 1>know it's not sexy. Everybody wants the you know, the

0:40:47.560 --> 0:40:51.160
<v Speaker 1>big wide receiver and seal position players, but and the

0:40:51.200 --> 0:40:54.240
<v Speaker 1>Bears have needs across the board. There's there's no position.

0:40:54.360 --> 0:40:57.120
<v Speaker 1>I mean, you know, you guys also figure backup quarterback.

0:40:57.160 --> 0:40:59.359
<v Speaker 1>You know that's you know that, you know somebody may

0:40:59.360 --> 0:41:01.520
<v Speaker 1>be in a similar mold. You know that you could

0:41:01.520 --> 0:41:04.200
<v Speaker 1>look at too. Not Hi, obviously, but I want that

0:41:04.320 --> 0:41:06.799
<v Speaker 1>line of scrimmage on both sides of the ball to

0:41:06.880 --> 0:41:10.280
<v Speaker 1>be to the shoulder, the load to be the alpha's

0:41:10.320 --> 0:41:16.040
<v Speaker 1>and kick butt. Here's what sexy and football it is. Well,

0:41:16.120 --> 0:41:19.120
<v Speaker 1>does that tunnel vision extend into free agency? Is that

0:41:19.120 --> 0:41:21.600
<v Speaker 1>where your focus is not only in the draft but

0:41:21.680 --> 0:41:25.560
<v Speaker 1>as free Great question, great question. I hate free agency.

0:41:25.719 --> 0:41:28.640
<v Speaker 1>I'm I just do I do. I just don't like it.

0:41:28.680 --> 0:41:30.279
<v Speaker 1>I know you gotta do it. You gotta spend what

0:41:30.360 --> 0:41:33.560
<v Speaker 1>you gotta spend, but you know you're overspending, and especially

0:41:33.600 --> 0:41:36.239
<v Speaker 1>in the early hours. So I don't know where they're

0:41:36.239 --> 0:41:38.799
<v Speaker 1>gonna go in that regard. But I know this. They

0:41:38.840 --> 0:41:41.600
<v Speaker 1>got all this money, but it really isn't all that money,

0:41:41.719 --> 0:41:43.759
<v Speaker 1>you know, it says in our paper. But they have

0:41:43.960 --> 0:41:46.040
<v Speaker 1>guys to resign. They got to think down the road

0:41:46.080 --> 0:41:50.040
<v Speaker 1>about justin You gotta plan for that. But Ryan's going

0:41:50.120 --> 0:41:53.480
<v Speaker 1>to be surgical in my opinion. You know he's not.

0:41:53.680 --> 0:41:56.200
<v Speaker 1>He's not going to blow out the budget by just

0:41:56.280 --> 0:41:58.799
<v Speaker 1>throwing money at guys that you know I'm sure there's

0:41:58.840 --> 0:42:01.600
<v Speaker 1>guys you want that are gonna get tag yet that

0:42:01.760 --> 0:42:04.680
<v Speaker 1>are going to be resigned by their own team. So sure,

0:42:04.840 --> 0:42:07.480
<v Speaker 1>But I think any position is on the table in

0:42:07.560 --> 0:42:11.319
<v Speaker 1>free agency. I do I personally, You tell me, because

0:42:11.320 --> 0:42:14.080
<v Speaker 1>you know more than I do. Coach, I'd like to

0:42:14.160 --> 0:42:18.920
<v Speaker 1>draft an offensive line, get a defensive lineman in the

0:42:18.960 --> 0:42:21.600
<v Speaker 1>draft of known as well, and then you know you

0:42:21.719 --> 0:42:23.880
<v Speaker 1>gotta get some guys that are veterans in there to

0:42:23.920 --> 0:42:26.160
<v Speaker 1>show them away a little bit on the defensive side

0:42:26.200 --> 0:42:28.640
<v Speaker 1>of the ball. That's just my thinking. I'd rather grow

0:42:28.680 --> 0:42:31.120
<v Speaker 1>an offensive line together. Like we talked about the eighty

0:42:31.120 --> 0:42:34.280
<v Speaker 1>five guys that started in eighty one, which Jim finks

0:42:34.280 --> 0:42:37.560
<v Speaker 1>he got Jimbo Covert the cornerstone left tackle Hall of famer,

0:42:37.760 --> 0:42:41.280
<v Speaker 1>and then drafted his tail off. And those guys, unlike today,

0:42:41.840 --> 0:42:45.480
<v Speaker 1>played every game, every snap for several years, every snap,

0:42:45.600 --> 0:42:48.680
<v Speaker 1>like five to seven years. That that was the offensive line. Well,

0:42:48.719 --> 0:42:52.839
<v Speaker 1>that's cost containment. Cost containment is drafting lineman on both

0:42:52.880 --> 0:42:56.080
<v Speaker 1>sides of the ball. Yeah, And that's where if you're

0:42:56.120 --> 0:42:57.960
<v Speaker 1>the Titans, for example, and there's a lot of talk

0:42:57.960 --> 0:43:00.839
<v Speaker 1>about the Titans at eleven taking a left tackle, it

0:43:00.880 --> 0:43:04.640
<v Speaker 1>makes total sense because you get that player and your

0:43:04.680 --> 0:43:08.560
<v Speaker 1>cost containment for four years is fabulous. Correct, And you

0:43:08.600 --> 0:43:12.959
<v Speaker 1>know rushers are expensive. Three technique defensive tackles are expensive. Now,

0:43:14.280 --> 0:43:17.960
<v Speaker 1>every everybody's corners, right corners. You know I'm not I'm

0:43:17.960 --> 0:43:20.040
<v Speaker 1>not afraid to go and get another corner high in

0:43:20.080 --> 0:43:22.560
<v Speaker 1>the draft as well. We gotta have them. Yeah, I mean,

0:43:23.320 --> 0:43:26.320
<v Speaker 1>you gotta have it. Everybody wants everything, but you can't know.

0:43:26.440 --> 0:43:28.239
<v Speaker 1>But every I think you know everybody here. I mean

0:43:28.280 --> 0:43:30.719
<v Speaker 1>this is a football group. Yeah, the premium position, and

0:43:30.719 --> 0:43:34.520
<v Speaker 1>you understand that the upfront is where it really on

0:43:34.560 --> 0:43:37.440
<v Speaker 1>both sides. It's still as wide open as it is

0:43:37.520 --> 0:43:40.040
<v Speaker 1>and as entertaining as it's become, and as as free

0:43:40.040 --> 0:43:42.640
<v Speaker 1>flowing as it's become. It's still a big man's game.

0:43:42.880 --> 0:43:45.120
<v Speaker 1>You got still a big man's game. And you got

0:43:45.120 --> 0:43:47.800
<v Speaker 1>to be able to impose your will throughout the course

0:43:47.840 --> 0:43:50.200
<v Speaker 1>of a game. Maybe not at the start, but throughout

0:43:50.200 --> 0:43:52.640
<v Speaker 1>a course of it. And you do it with dudes

0:43:53.000 --> 0:43:54.960
<v Speaker 1>up front at Now, what do you guys say to

0:43:55.000 --> 0:43:56.799
<v Speaker 1>those who say, well, you know you gotta score, You

0:43:56.800 --> 0:43:58.640
<v Speaker 1>gotta score points to win. I get that, but the

0:43:58.920 --> 0:44:02.040
<v Speaker 1>scoring it way up? What league? Why? Way up? Is

0:44:02.080 --> 0:44:04.440
<v Speaker 1>this is here's how you going to continue. You protect

0:44:04.440 --> 0:44:07.040
<v Speaker 1>your quarterback, yeah, and you hold onto the ball and

0:44:07.120 --> 0:44:09.160
<v Speaker 1>you extend series. And you're not going to do that

0:44:09.239 --> 0:44:12.200
<v Speaker 1>unless you have people that are working up front and

0:44:12.280 --> 0:44:15.200
<v Speaker 1>finished drives and finish drives, right and finish. I love

0:44:15.320 --> 0:44:18.000
<v Speaker 1>running the ball, So i'm a i'm a I'm I'm

0:44:18.040 --> 0:44:20.120
<v Speaker 1>old school now. I love running the ball. And I

0:44:20.160 --> 0:44:23.400
<v Speaker 1>know that's not always popular these days, but the league,

0:44:23.400 --> 0:44:24.880
<v Speaker 1>there's there's been a lot. I mean, look how a

0:44:24.920 --> 0:44:27.520
<v Speaker 1>two hundred yard rushing days looking in the city in

0:44:27.560 --> 0:44:29.880
<v Speaker 1>the Super Bowl? Right right right? I mean, what did

0:44:29.920 --> 0:44:32.239
<v Speaker 1>Mahomes throw for one eighty two? Thing? As long as

0:44:32.280 --> 0:44:34.680
<v Speaker 1>pass was twenty nine and the and the bottom line

0:44:34.800 --> 0:44:37.719
<v Speaker 1>is they had enough of a running game that they

0:44:37.719 --> 0:44:41.000
<v Speaker 1>could protect him and that ankle and that he could

0:44:41.080 --> 0:44:42.959
<v Speaker 1>throw when he needed to and he could make it quick.

0:44:43.080 --> 0:44:46.760
<v Speaker 1>But right that rush was muted and that Isaiah Pacheco

0:44:46.880 --> 0:44:50.839
<v Speaker 1>is a bad man, seventh round pick, man out of Rutgers,

0:44:50.840 --> 0:44:54.880
<v Speaker 1>bad man runs angry. The run game is still very,

0:44:55.000 --> 0:44:58.320
<v Speaker 1>very vital, but it's just not as sexy. It's there

0:44:58.719 --> 0:45:01.920
<v Speaker 1>for football people. It's there because that's the way you

0:45:01.960 --> 0:45:03.880
<v Speaker 1>have to as Yeah, and and Mike said it very

0:45:03.960 --> 0:45:06.000
<v Speaker 1>very well. We talk about a lot on our broadcasting

0:45:06.520 --> 0:45:11.759
<v Speaker 1>extending series. Staying on the field offensively helps everybody. It

0:45:11.800 --> 0:45:14.239
<v Speaker 1>also helps your defense. I mean some of the best

0:45:14.280 --> 0:45:16.520
<v Speaker 1>defense I ever coached in my life. In my you know,

0:45:16.600 --> 0:45:19.080
<v Speaker 1>thirty one years of coaching, I was watching Walter run,

0:45:19.520 --> 0:45:21.719
<v Speaker 1>you know, just standing on the sideline. Well, you know,

0:45:22.320 --> 0:45:24.640
<v Speaker 1>your defense. They weren't on the field very long because

0:45:24.640 --> 0:45:27.359
<v Speaker 1>these guys led the NFL in time of possession. They're

0:45:27.360 --> 0:45:29.520
<v Speaker 1>pretty good. I mean that every year they led the

0:45:29.560 --> 0:45:31.920
<v Speaker 1>league in time of possession. So your defense was fresh

0:45:31.960 --> 0:45:34.919
<v Speaker 1>to go get the QB. Good. Nah, you're the best.

0:45:35.280 --> 0:45:38.319
<v Speaker 1>Thank you for having Jeff always is with your voice

0:45:38.320 --> 0:45:40.080
<v Speaker 1>of the Chicago Bears. Think about I tell him this,

0:45:40.440 --> 0:45:43.279
<v Speaker 1>he's the voice of the Chicago Bears. I mean, that's

0:45:43.320 --> 0:45:46.239
<v Speaker 1>one of the original listeners. That is Elite air Off.

0:45:46.400 --> 0:45:49.080
<v Speaker 1>They're all thirty two of Well, I was play by play, guys.

0:45:49.080 --> 0:45:52.560
<v Speaker 1>They're pretty darnfortunate. But we are very fortunate. There's very fortunate.

0:45:52.600 --> 0:45:55.840
<v Speaker 1>There's one team that started it. Yes, he took the

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<v Speaker 1>words right out of my mind. Baby. If you've had

0:45:59.160 --> 0:46:02.279
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0:46:02.320 --> 0:46:12.600
<v Speaker 1>your food. Thanks Jeff, Thanks Mike, Thanks guys. Good to

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<v Speaker 1>babies here. That's right, fill me up, thank you? All right?

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<v Speaker 1>So I don't know that you're old enough, Amy, but

0:47:12.360 --> 0:47:14.759
<v Speaker 1>I bet coach Mac Rhett and I would say the

0:47:14.800 --> 0:47:18.239
<v Speaker 1>same thing. We grew up reading Sports Illustrated, absolutely, And

0:47:18.880 --> 0:47:21.560
<v Speaker 1>one of the things I liked about Sports Illustrated so

0:47:21.640 --> 0:47:24.840
<v Speaker 1>much is that I read about a lot of things

0:47:24.840 --> 0:47:28.560
<v Speaker 1>I had no idea about, and beforehand, I had no

0:47:28.680 --> 0:47:31.920
<v Speaker 1>major interest about. But they would find the character and

0:47:31.960 --> 0:47:36.080
<v Speaker 1>the stories and the scenes and all of the things

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<v Speaker 1>that I never considered. And so I would read stories

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<v Speaker 1>about chess and about different cricket or because it happened

0:47:45.120 --> 0:47:47.360
<v Speaker 1>to be in the publication, because in the sports that

0:47:47.400 --> 0:47:50.239
<v Speaker 1>you cared about with football and baseball, that's right. But

0:47:50.280 --> 0:47:53.239
<v Speaker 1>I would read Sports Illustrated cover to cover, and it

0:47:53.320 --> 0:47:55.759
<v Speaker 1>was the only magazine that I did that as a

0:47:55.880 --> 0:47:58.640
<v Speaker 1>as a kid, and it really doesn't exist in that

0:47:58.800 --> 0:48:03.400
<v Speaker 1>same form to day. But there is a writer who's

0:48:03.480 --> 0:48:06.520
<v Speaker 1>doing Sports Illustrated type things and he's doing it in

0:48:06.560 --> 0:48:10.600
<v Speaker 1>the Wall Street Journal. His name is Andrew Beaton, and

0:48:10.880 --> 0:48:13.440
<v Speaker 1>we introduced you to him on the OTP last year

0:48:13.480 --> 0:48:15.960
<v Speaker 1>from the combine. I've gotten to know him because I'm

0:48:16.000 --> 0:48:18.719
<v Speaker 1>a fan of what he does. He writes about some

0:48:18.760 --> 0:48:21.640
<v Speaker 1>of the strangest things you've ever seen. He writes about

0:48:21.680 --> 0:48:27.000
<v Speaker 1>controversial topics like liv golf. He I mean he you know,

0:48:27.040 --> 0:48:30.480
<v Speaker 1>he's into every He's into the NFL. Andrew Beaton is

0:48:30.520 --> 0:48:33.759
<v Speaker 1>just thirty one years old, and yet he's writing stories

0:48:33.880 --> 0:48:39.080
<v Speaker 1>like he's been around for fifty years and an unusual read.

0:48:39.640 --> 0:48:43.560
<v Speaker 1>His writing style, his way older than he's but to

0:48:43.600 --> 0:48:47.520
<v Speaker 1>be in the Wall Street Journal too. And and to me,

0:48:48.880 --> 0:48:51.120
<v Speaker 1>I love what you just wrote up about Sports Illustrated

0:48:51.200 --> 0:48:54.160
<v Speaker 1>And the analogy is really good because I can remember

0:48:54.200 --> 0:48:56.640
<v Speaker 1>getting Sports Illustrated and couldn't wait till it showed up

0:48:56.719 --> 0:48:59.279
<v Speaker 1>right in the mail. May we've all had subscriptions if

0:48:59.280 --> 0:49:01.440
<v Speaker 1>you were involved in sports at all, even from a

0:49:01.480 --> 0:49:04.840
<v Speaker 1>young age. But and I find it interesting that you

0:49:05.120 --> 0:49:08.520
<v Speaker 1>formed to kind of a get to know Andrew Beaton

0:49:08.640 --> 0:49:11.120
<v Speaker 1>because that is a different dude. Well, he is a

0:49:11.160 --> 0:49:13.960
<v Speaker 1>different dude. I mean he's a lot smarter than I am.

0:49:14.680 --> 0:49:17.879
<v Speaker 1>And he well he is, I mean he is. He's

0:49:17.880 --> 0:49:21.960
<v Speaker 1>a genius type who sees the world in a very

0:49:22.080 --> 0:49:25.480
<v Speaker 1>different way. And we did an interview with him last year.

0:49:25.520 --> 0:49:27.680
<v Speaker 1>It was so enjoyable and we got so many good

0:49:27.680 --> 0:49:30.720
<v Speaker 1>reactions from the OT people that we did it again.

0:49:31.160 --> 0:49:35.799
<v Speaker 1>Andrew Beaton from the Wall Street Journal talking sports with us,

0:49:35.960 --> 0:49:37.920
<v Speaker 1>maybe they're just hard sports. He does talk to the

0:49:38.000 --> 0:49:49.360
<v Speaker 1>NFL on the OTCH Andrew beaton Wall Street Journal Sports.

0:49:50.320 --> 0:49:53.600
<v Speaker 1>It still does sound not Andrew Beaton, but Wall Street

0:49:53.640 --> 0:49:56.360
<v Speaker 1>Journal Sports just sounds a little odd. Well, here's the

0:49:56.400 --> 0:50:01.400
<v Speaker 1>thing about it. Such a widely respect acted, highly renowned

0:50:01.680 --> 0:50:06.840
<v Speaker 1>publication for something that is incredibly intellectual. Smart people read

0:50:07.040 --> 0:50:11.120
<v Speaker 1>the Wall Street Journal, and people don't always associate with

0:50:11.160 --> 0:50:15.000
<v Speaker 1>smart people with sports. You think about what we do read,

0:50:15.120 --> 0:50:18.439
<v Speaker 1>I don't think you know, it just doesn't kind of mash,

0:50:18.520 --> 0:50:22.840
<v Speaker 1>but it is important and there is a business to it. Andrew,

0:50:23.000 --> 0:50:25.640
<v Speaker 1>how do you find all the things you write about?

0:50:26.360 --> 0:50:28.839
<v Speaker 1>I always just try to think that if something interests me,

0:50:29.080 --> 0:50:32.440
<v Speaker 1>it'll probably interest whoever is reading about it. Because if chess,

0:50:32.880 --> 0:50:35.760
<v Speaker 1>if I'm writing about chess, I'm a terrible chess player,

0:50:35.880 --> 0:50:37.719
<v Speaker 1>but I found the world, the chess world, to be

0:50:37.800 --> 0:50:41.200
<v Speaker 1>quirky and weird and fascinating and there's a lot going

0:50:41.239 --> 0:50:43.279
<v Speaker 1>on there, and so if I'm interested in it, that's

0:50:43.280 --> 0:50:45.680
<v Speaker 1>a whole heck of a lot better chance of a

0:50:45.760 --> 0:50:48.200
<v Speaker 1>reader being interested in then if I'm just watching a

0:50:48.200 --> 0:50:50.480
<v Speaker 1>football game and I'm bored by it, then they're probably

0:50:50.520 --> 0:50:54.160
<v Speaker 1>gonna be bored what I'm writing about. So what's the

0:50:54.280 --> 0:50:58.520
<v Speaker 1>response you get to writing about, say, chess. We were

0:50:58.560 --> 0:51:03.600
<v Speaker 1>absolutely shocked by how much people enjoyed reading our chess covers. Wow,

0:51:04.000 --> 0:51:07.440
<v Speaker 1>how do you pitch a story that's like, I've got one, guys,

0:51:08.000 --> 0:51:10.719
<v Speaker 1>it's chess, roll with me here, Like, how do you

0:51:10.760 --> 0:51:13.239
<v Speaker 1>pitch that and get someone to say, yeah, pursue that.

0:51:13.719 --> 0:51:15.400
<v Speaker 1>You know, we've done a few over the years, and

0:51:15.440 --> 0:51:18.520
<v Speaker 1>they've just sort of reliably been read really well because

0:51:18.520 --> 0:51:20.520
<v Speaker 1>I think it's a game that you know, everyone has

0:51:20.520 --> 0:51:22.239
<v Speaker 1>a chess board lying at home, and they might not

0:51:22.400 --> 0:51:24.880
<v Speaker 1>know the quirks or the oddities of the chess world.

0:51:25.160 --> 0:51:27.400
<v Speaker 1>So when you start writing about weird things over the

0:51:27.480 --> 0:51:30.240
<v Speaker 1>years in the chess world, like how the best players

0:51:30.280 --> 0:51:34.040
<v Speaker 1>are really particular and crazy about what chairs they're sitting

0:51:34.040 --> 0:51:36.520
<v Speaker 1>in while they're playing the games. That's funny to people,

0:51:36.560 --> 0:51:39.239
<v Speaker 1>and it doesn't even matter if if you know how

0:51:39.280 --> 0:51:42.040
<v Speaker 1>the pieces move on the board. That's a human story

0:51:42.080 --> 0:51:44.200
<v Speaker 1>where you can understand that there are these geniuses who

0:51:44.200 --> 0:51:47.239
<v Speaker 1>are also really finicky and particular about things that are

0:51:47.320 --> 0:51:50.840
<v Speaker 1>kind of hilarious. But at the heart of this story

0:51:50.840 --> 0:51:54.720
<v Speaker 1>that you've done. Recently, one of the stars of chess

0:51:55.239 --> 0:52:00.000
<v Speaker 1>has a scandal and there's accusations involved. We do love us.

0:52:00.680 --> 0:52:02.920
<v Speaker 1>People love a scandal. It's kind of a great scandal

0:52:02.960 --> 0:52:05.800
<v Speaker 1>in some ways too, because in some way the stakes

0:52:05.800 --> 0:52:08.200
<v Speaker 1>are enormous, because that's the worst thing you can do

0:52:08.239 --> 0:52:10.279
<v Speaker 1>in a game of chess. But it's also in the

0:52:10.280 --> 0:52:13.719
<v Speaker 1>grand scheme of the world, not something super serious now,

0:52:14.200 --> 0:52:16.640
<v Speaker 1>like dying or getting hurt or getting sick. So it's

0:52:16.680 --> 0:52:19.960
<v Speaker 1>this thing that you can both kind of smile at

0:52:20.000 --> 0:52:23.040
<v Speaker 1>and be entertained by without feeling totally guilty about. If

0:52:23.040 --> 0:52:25.799
<v Speaker 1>that makes sense. Yes, yeah, So you go to the

0:52:25.840 --> 0:52:29.440
<v Speaker 1>Super Bowl a few weeks ago and you came up

0:52:29.480 --> 0:52:34.120
<v Speaker 1>with some wild angles. My favorite, well, there were two.

0:52:34.440 --> 0:52:40.640
<v Speaker 1>There was Jalen Hurts weightlifting. Powerlifting. Actually that's a good one. Oh,

0:52:40.680 --> 0:52:43.160
<v Speaker 1>I thought it was pretty great right off the tip.

0:52:43.200 --> 0:52:45.719
<v Speaker 1>How did you find out about that? You know, it

0:52:45.800 --> 0:52:47.960
<v Speaker 1>had been mentioned a little bit over the years, like

0:52:48.040 --> 0:52:50.040
<v Speaker 1>when he was in college there was a viral video

0:52:50.080 --> 0:52:53.520
<v Speaker 1>of him squatting I think six hundred pounds at Oklahoma,

0:52:53.640 --> 0:52:55.400
<v Speaker 1>and then people had mentioned it in passing then and

0:52:55.400 --> 0:52:57.759
<v Speaker 1>it's just sort of made me curious, all right, how

0:52:57.760 --> 0:53:00.399
<v Speaker 1>did this guy get into this? And the thing that's

0:53:00.440 --> 0:53:03.000
<v Speaker 1>interesting to me. It wasn't just a fun fact about somebody.

0:53:03.320 --> 0:53:05.040
<v Speaker 1>I mean, we all saw in that Super Bowl how

0:53:05.080 --> 0:53:08.040
<v Speaker 1>many times Jalen Hurts did a quarterback sneak. That guy

0:53:08.080 --> 0:53:10.920
<v Speaker 1>can move his legs, he can push. He's a powerful

0:53:10.960 --> 0:53:13.719
<v Speaker 1>guy for anybody on a football field, but in particular

0:53:13.760 --> 0:53:17.319
<v Speaker 1>a quarterback. And yes, he gets those Eagles guys behind

0:53:17.400 --> 0:53:19.239
<v Speaker 1>him who are shoving him through the line on all

0:53:19.239 --> 0:53:23.400
<v Speaker 1>those plays, but he is built differently than pretty much

0:53:23.440 --> 0:53:25.839
<v Speaker 1>every other quarterback, even the other guys who run. He

0:53:25.880 --> 0:53:30.640
<v Speaker 1>doesn't have necessarily the limberness and the pure straight line

0:53:30.680 --> 0:53:34.239
<v Speaker 1>speed of a Justin Fields or Lamar Jackson. But he's

0:53:34.360 --> 0:53:36.759
<v Speaker 1>powerful for a quarterback. And that's what really struck me

0:53:36.840 --> 0:53:39.520
<v Speaker 1>that it wasn't just something he did. This was something

0:53:39.520 --> 0:53:42.719
<v Speaker 1>about Jalen Hurts his past that helped to explain his success. Now.

0:53:43.400 --> 0:53:47.600
<v Speaker 1>I also loved to Kevin Burkhardt's story being a broadcaster.

0:53:47.800 --> 0:53:51.680
<v Speaker 1>And I've said this to Kevin, for him to come

0:53:51.880 --> 0:53:54.239
<v Speaker 1>and I'll let you tell the story to our ot

0:53:54.440 --> 0:53:57.359
<v Speaker 1>people about where he began, but for him to do

0:53:57.400 --> 0:53:59.680
<v Speaker 1>what he's done and to get to the point where

0:53:59.680 --> 0:54:02.960
<v Speaker 1>he is, he has paid the dudes he has done

0:54:03.000 --> 0:54:06.400
<v Speaker 1>the work. No silver spoon had to come up the

0:54:06.400 --> 0:54:09.560
<v Speaker 1>hard way, and now he's calling the Super Bowl, and

0:54:09.680 --> 0:54:12.280
<v Speaker 1>to watch him call the Super Bowl was extra special

0:54:12.320 --> 0:54:17.000
<v Speaker 1>to me because of that amazing story that you were

0:54:17.000 --> 0:54:19.239
<v Speaker 1>able to share with the Wall Street Journal readers. Well,

0:54:19.280 --> 0:54:20.880
<v Speaker 1>thank you so much. I mean, Kevin's always been an

0:54:20.880 --> 0:54:24.000
<v Speaker 1>amazing story. I mean, used car salesman who's hustling while

0:54:24.120 --> 0:54:27.040
<v Speaker 1>calling high school games and minor league games. But I

0:54:27.080 --> 0:54:28.839
<v Speaker 1>thought the funniest thing to me was talking to him

0:54:28.840 --> 0:54:31.680
<v Speaker 1>about how much the New York Mets shaped his future

0:54:31.960 --> 0:54:33.799
<v Speaker 1>because I'm from New York, so I've been cursed with

0:54:33.840 --> 0:54:38.080
<v Speaker 1>watching an unfortunate amount of New York Mets games and

0:54:38.440 --> 0:54:40.319
<v Speaker 1>there is never a been an appeal that the New

0:54:40.400 --> 0:54:43.279
<v Speaker 1>York Mets are not slipping on. And so he had

0:54:43.320 --> 0:54:48.120
<v Speaker 1>to deal with hilarity, with controversy, with frankly, just a

0:54:48.200 --> 0:54:50.680
<v Speaker 1>lot of really bad baseball teams that he had to

0:54:50.680 --> 0:54:53.880
<v Speaker 1>try and make interesting. And you will not find a

0:54:53.920 --> 0:54:57.200
<v Speaker 1>New York Mets fan who did not worship him. And

0:54:57.360 --> 0:54:59.560
<v Speaker 1>that is saying something on a broadcast that has three

0:54:59.640 --> 0:55:02.920
<v Speaker 1>legends in Gary Cone, Keith Hernandez, and Ron Darling. But

0:55:03.160 --> 0:55:06.440
<v Speaker 1>Kevin Burkhardt made himself sort of like a part of

0:55:06.480 --> 0:55:08.360
<v Speaker 1>your living room when you were watching a Mets game.

0:55:08.560 --> 0:55:12.239
<v Speaker 1>And it was so interesting talking to him about how, yes,

0:55:12.400 --> 0:55:15.239
<v Speaker 1>how the foibles of the Mets shaped his career to

0:55:15.320 --> 0:55:18.840
<v Speaker 1>be basically prepared for anything. One of my favorite stories

0:55:18.880 --> 0:55:21.480
<v Speaker 1>from the Super Bowl was the story about the Kelsey

0:55:21.560 --> 0:55:25.920
<v Speaker 1>brothers and how much they ate? Now do yeah, like,

0:55:26.160 --> 0:55:29.359
<v Speaker 1>of all the angles, of all the things to overturn

0:55:30.000 --> 0:55:33.280
<v Speaker 1>two boys eating a tremendous amount of food in their youth,

0:55:33.520 --> 0:55:36.279
<v Speaker 1>how do you how do you get there? Well, it's

0:55:36.320 --> 0:55:38.080
<v Speaker 1>just sort of don't you hear that type of thing

0:55:38.160 --> 0:55:41.200
<v Speaker 1>all the time when like you find you meet your

0:55:41.239 --> 0:55:43.360
<v Speaker 1>family friend and they have three sons who are a giant.

0:55:43.640 --> 0:55:46.520
<v Speaker 1>They asked the mom, Oh, so what do you feed him? Yeah?

0:55:46.640 --> 0:55:48.440
<v Speaker 1>So just kind of want to make they ate you

0:55:48.520 --> 0:55:50.879
<v Speaker 1>out of house and home. That's what That's what my

0:55:50.880 --> 0:55:54.359
<v Speaker 1>parents used to say. Yeah, so that's where you get it. So, yeah,

0:55:54.400 --> 0:55:55.920
<v Speaker 1>it's just a question that I thought about and then

0:55:55.920 --> 0:55:58.840
<v Speaker 1>all of a sudden, you see, these two guys were enormous.

0:56:00.320 --> 0:56:03.799
<v Speaker 1>They are big, big guys, built very differently, but just

0:56:03.840 --> 0:56:05.719
<v Speaker 1>maybe wonder, all right, what did you feed them? And

0:56:05.920 --> 0:56:07.719
<v Speaker 1>I didn't know if there would be anything there there.

0:56:07.800 --> 0:56:10.960
<v Speaker 1>But credit to Ed and Donna Kelsey. They were hilarious

0:56:11.400 --> 0:56:13.920
<v Speaker 1>talking about what a hassle it basically was, and these

0:56:13.920 --> 0:56:16.640
<v Speaker 1>guys running up one hundred dollars bills at ihop, which

0:56:16.680 --> 0:56:21.480
<v Speaker 1>I didn't know was possible. Gosh, that story made me sweat, like, wow,

0:56:21.520 --> 0:56:24.800
<v Speaker 1>that sounds so expensive. All right, So, with that thought

0:56:24.840 --> 0:56:27.800
<v Speaker 1>in mind, and your unique ability to put these columns

0:56:27.840 --> 0:56:30.920
<v Speaker 1>together for the Wall Street Journal without giving away a

0:56:30.960 --> 0:56:33.440
<v Speaker 1>future column, what are you looking for this week? At

0:56:33.480 --> 0:56:38.520
<v Speaker 1>the NFL Combine? What's There's so many confluences of you know,

0:56:38.520 --> 0:56:40.600
<v Speaker 1>three hundred nineteen guys that are going to be trying

0:56:40.600 --> 0:56:43.080
<v Speaker 1>to chase their dreams. There's gems, there's coaches or scouts.

0:56:43.239 --> 0:56:44.919
<v Speaker 1>What are you looking for? Well, one of the things

0:56:44.920 --> 0:56:46.719
<v Speaker 1>I try to do a lot at the combine is listen,

0:56:47.080 --> 0:56:49.239
<v Speaker 1>because you know, this is the first time we're hearing

0:56:49.280 --> 0:56:51.279
<v Speaker 1>from a lot of these coaches in a long time,

0:56:51.840 --> 0:56:54.240
<v Speaker 1>and it's in a lot of instances the best first

0:56:54.320 --> 0:56:57.520
<v Speaker 1>glimpse we're getting at how they see their offseason. And

0:56:57.560 --> 0:56:59.520
<v Speaker 1>so a lot of the times I come here and

0:56:59.560 --> 0:57:01.440
<v Speaker 1>don't know what I'm going to write, and I mind

0:57:01.560 --> 0:57:03.479
<v Speaker 1>even if I don't write anything off it this week.

0:57:03.520 --> 0:57:06.080
<v Speaker 1>Maybe it's just helping plant seeds for ideas during the

0:57:06.160 --> 0:57:08.799
<v Speaker 1>NFL Draft, But a lot of it's coming here and

0:57:08.880 --> 0:57:11.440
<v Speaker 1>listening and sit hearing, whether it's a coach or a

0:57:11.480 --> 0:57:13.960
<v Speaker 1>GM or a prospect, what's important to them? What are

0:57:13.960 --> 0:57:16.200
<v Speaker 1>they thinking about? And then that can help me think

0:57:16.240 --> 0:57:18.520
<v Speaker 1>about what to think about, because you know, when you're

0:57:18.560 --> 0:57:22.520
<v Speaker 1>hearing Sean Payton start talking today, or quasi famensa from

0:57:22.520 --> 0:57:25.400
<v Speaker 1>the Vikings talking about Kirk Cousins in the possible future there,

0:57:25.760 --> 0:57:28.360
<v Speaker 1>or what Justin Jefferson means to the Vikings, those are

0:57:28.400 --> 0:57:30.520
<v Speaker 1>the type of things that are making me think about

0:57:30.520 --> 0:57:32.880
<v Speaker 1>all right. I know it's important to them, so you

0:57:32.920 --> 0:57:36.600
<v Speaker 1>can start thinking about, all right, what are the Vikings

0:57:36.640 --> 0:57:38.320
<v Speaker 1>going to look like next year? Well we can start

0:57:38.360 --> 0:57:40.160
<v Speaker 1>thinking about that because we've heard from the people who

0:57:40.160 --> 0:57:45.200
<v Speaker 1>are important over there. Andrew Baton is an observer, fair

0:57:45.600 --> 0:57:47.720
<v Speaker 1>I try to. I mean, that's a lot of what

0:57:47.720 --> 0:57:50.760
<v Speaker 1>we're all doing, right, We're all trying to see things

0:57:50.760 --> 0:57:53.880
<v Speaker 1>with her eyes and listen with her ears and call

0:57:53.880 --> 0:57:56.320
<v Speaker 1>out what we think is interesting. It's what you do

0:57:56.640 --> 0:58:01.040
<v Speaker 1>during Titans games. It's what I think drives a lot

0:58:01.080 --> 0:58:02.600
<v Speaker 1>of us and that's how we all find our different

0:58:02.680 --> 0:58:05.440
<v Speaker 1>voices about what interests us when we're watching or listening.

0:58:07.360 --> 0:58:11.840
<v Speaker 1>As we start through the NFL, I guess off season

0:58:12.600 --> 0:58:15.880
<v Speaker 1>quote unquote, well, let's just say, ever since they added

0:58:15.880 --> 0:58:18.480
<v Speaker 1>the extra week to the regular season and everything is

0:58:18.480 --> 0:58:21.120
<v Speaker 1>even more compressed with the super Bowl, there feels like

0:58:21.240 --> 0:58:25.120
<v Speaker 1>zero offseason, right. It feels like a like a fake name,

0:58:25.800 --> 0:58:35.080
<v Speaker 1>kind of like legal tampering, off season, legal tampering. Um.

0:58:35.520 --> 0:58:37.800
<v Speaker 1>As we start and we're journeying closer and closer to

0:58:37.880 --> 0:58:40.800
<v Speaker 1>free agency, you wrote a great article about Aaron Rodgers

0:58:40.800 --> 0:58:43.400
<v Speaker 1>and kind of his contract structure. Do you feel like

0:58:43.520 --> 0:58:45.520
<v Speaker 1>that is the first thing that we all need to

0:58:45.600 --> 0:58:48.280
<v Speaker 1>observe some movement on what is going to happen with

0:58:48.320 --> 0:58:51.000
<v Speaker 1>Aaron Rodgers before the rest of the NFL can really

0:58:51.000 --> 0:58:54.120
<v Speaker 1>start doing anything. Yeah. I think teams like maybe the

0:58:54.240 --> 0:58:57.960
<v Speaker 1>Jets are in a kind of weird and difficult spot because,

0:58:58.400 --> 0:59:00.400
<v Speaker 1>on the one hand, if they want to go all

0:59:00.440 --> 0:59:03.520
<v Speaker 1>in for Aaron Rodgers, they might have to wait a

0:59:03.560 --> 0:59:05.360
<v Speaker 1>little bit. We don't have any clarity on if that

0:59:05.400 --> 0:59:07.800
<v Speaker 1>decisions can be in five days or ten days or

0:59:07.840 --> 0:59:11.000
<v Speaker 1>twenty days. But then let's say they find out that

0:59:11.080 --> 0:59:12.480
<v Speaker 1>he doesn't want to come to the Jets, or he

0:59:12.480 --> 0:59:14.480
<v Speaker 1>wants to stay in Green Bay, or he wants to retire.

0:59:14.840 --> 0:59:16.800
<v Speaker 1>What if they've then missed out on the Derek Carrs

0:59:16.800 --> 0:59:19.000
<v Speaker 1>and the Jimmy Garoppolos. So they're kind of in a

0:59:19.040 --> 0:59:21.320
<v Speaker 1>tough spot where they could make a move for one

0:59:21.360 --> 0:59:24.320
<v Speaker 1>of those other guys and then regret it if they

0:59:24.440 --> 0:59:26.640
<v Speaker 1>later found out that Aaron Rodgers wants to be a Jet,

0:59:26.840 --> 0:59:28.800
<v Speaker 1>But they also don't want to come up empty handed.

0:59:29.080 --> 0:59:31.640
<v Speaker 1>So I think to answer your question is I think

0:59:31.680 --> 0:59:34.880
<v Speaker 1>the lack of certainty about when we will find out

0:59:34.920 --> 0:59:37.760
<v Speaker 1>about what Aaron Rodgers future is that's going to drive

0:59:37.800 --> 0:59:39.840
<v Speaker 1>a lot more questions than anything. Because if we had

0:59:39.840 --> 0:59:42.520
<v Speaker 1>a deadline, if we had a timeline for when all this,

0:59:42.640 --> 0:59:45.280
<v Speaker 1>I think we'd have answers. But the uncertainty must just

0:59:45.360 --> 0:59:47.800
<v Speaker 1>be driving these teams crazy. Have you made up with

0:59:47.840 --> 0:59:53.440
<v Speaker 1>Aaron Rodgers since COVID show? And for those who don't know, Andrew,

0:59:53.600 --> 0:59:59.480
<v Speaker 1>you really started the COVID toe controversy, didn't you declined

0:59:59.480 --> 1:00:02.720
<v Speaker 1>to comment? I don't think a reporter could do that.

1:00:02.880 --> 1:00:05.960
<v Speaker 1>But have you have you talked with him or anybody

1:00:06.080 --> 1:00:08.919
<v Speaker 1>with him since? Yeah? I mean you're writing about him again,

1:00:08.960 --> 1:00:12.200
<v Speaker 1>So I just wondered, Yeah, no, we talked afterwards. We

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<v Speaker 1>had a private conversation. Okay, good, Oh, that's it true.

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<v Speaker 1>So from your standpoint, what was that experience? Like, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>it's just a little bit of a media frenzy for

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<v Speaker 1>a moment, but then at the end of the day

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<v Speaker 1>it returns to talking about football and chess and chess.

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<v Speaker 1>So the Aaron Rodgers part is that really kind of

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<v Speaker 1>where this stuff starts. I feel like that whatever happens

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<v Speaker 1>with him and whatever happens with Lamar Jackson is where

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<v Speaker 1>the NFL offseason starts to fall out with the stories.

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<v Speaker 1>I completely agree. I mean, and you brought up Lamar.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, I think most betting people would say he

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<v Speaker 1>still ends up in Baltimore. But is that kind of

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<v Speaker 1>the biggest wild card because things with Aaron Rodgers seemed

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<v Speaker 1>to be trending in a direction. I think most people

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<v Speaker 1>seem to think that he will be playing football somewhere

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<v Speaker 1>else or won't at least be back in Green Bay

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<v Speaker 1>if he choose to retire. But the Lamar Jackson's story,

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<v Speaker 1>he's really clouded in mystery and the question of will

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<v Speaker 1>he get that type of guaranteed money that he wants

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<v Speaker 1>and that he's going to try to fight for, or

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<v Speaker 1>is there a team that's going to be willing to

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<v Speaker 1>offer him that money and also Baltimore an extraordinary sum

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<v Speaker 1>of picks. So let me follow up with this. There

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<v Speaker 1>are some who believe that the Deshaun Watson guaranteed contract

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<v Speaker 1>maybe the last one of its kinds. Certainly front offices

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<v Speaker 1>are hoping that that's the case. Where do you get

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<v Speaker 1>that vibe? Yeah, I think a lot of this needs

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<v Speaker 1>to come down to whether or not a quarterback is

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<v Speaker 1>essentially going to push the limits and get closer and

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<v Speaker 1>closer to free agency, because that's when you can start

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<v Speaker 1>making those demands and having the leverage to do it.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, Deshaun Watson wasn't a free agent, but he

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<v Speaker 1>was in this unique position where with everything that had

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<v Speaker 1>gone on, he had teams that were bidding on him

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<v Speaker 1>and was, essentially, in a weird way a free agent

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<v Speaker 1>because he can go siate contracts with multiple teams at

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<v Speaker 1>the same time and choose where. He approved a trade too,

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<v Speaker 1>so he was in a weird way even though he's traded,

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<v Speaker 1>he had to leverage during his contract negotiations. Of a

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<v Speaker 1>free agent and to a lesser scale. You saw when

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<v Speaker 1>Kirk Cousins got his guaranteed deal. That's also during free agency.

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<v Speaker 1>So the question with Lamar is if he really wants

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<v Speaker 1>that fully guaranteed deal for a huge sum of money,

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<v Speaker 1>there is a path there. It comes with some risk

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<v Speaker 1>of playing on a franchise tag for a year maybe two,

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<v Speaker 1>But and that ends up being one hundred million bucks

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<v Speaker 1>right there. That's not a bad pay day, not a

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<v Speaker 1>bad pay day. Do you think he's at a disadvantage

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<v Speaker 1>because he does not have representation and he is his

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<v Speaker 1>own guy. I think there's probably enough people around him.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, the Union is around, and none of these

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<v Speaker 1>players are really going in without guidance. And if that's

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<v Speaker 1>what he thinks, that's what's best for him. I mean, again,

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<v Speaker 1>he's putting himself in a position to possibly get a

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<v Speaker 1>massive pay day. Here, let's play a game. What do

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<v Speaker 1>you think happens with Lamar Jackson? I think them in

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<v Speaker 1>Baltimore fun way to work out a deal. It seemed

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<v Speaker 1>like a really big reset for the Ravens to have

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<v Speaker 1>found a really great quarterback. I mean it's easy to

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<v Speaker 1>forget that a few years ago, just how good that

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<v Speaker 1>Lamar Jackson season was when he was the NB. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>thirty six touchdowns, six interceptions for all everyone talks about

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<v Speaker 1>is running man. He was scoring through the air that

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<v Speaker 1>year and he is so good. And does Baltimore really

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<v Speaker 1>want to press the reset button again, even if it

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<v Speaker 1>would come with a massive haul of draft picks. So

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<v Speaker 1>I think probably for both sides, there's a good incentive

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<v Speaker 1>to get something done. What happens with Aaron Rodgers, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know where, but I think he's playing in twenty

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<v Speaker 1>twenty three. Maybe it's in New York with the Jets.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe there's a team that we aren't even really talking

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<v Speaker 1>about when Carolina Panthers or I'm just making up names here,

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<v Speaker 1>But we've been surprised before when teams have emerged from

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<v Speaker 1>the woodwork to be interested in, say hey, for a

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<v Speaker 1>year or two, we're in a roller dice with this

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<v Speaker 1>guy and see if we can open a Super Bowl window.

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<v Speaker 1>So it sounds like you're like us. We believe that

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<v Speaker 1>the story about the Pack is wanting to be done

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<v Speaker 1>with it is true. You agree. I just think there's

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of risk for them by bringing him back

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<v Speaker 1>in terms of if he retires the next year. That

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<v Speaker 1>sixty sem odd million cap hit that they'd have to

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<v Speaker 1>absorb is really tough, and so this has nothing to

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<v Speaker 1>do with that, like his abilities on the football field,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's kind of their long term future as a franchise.

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<v Speaker 1>This is also the off season when they have to

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<v Speaker 1>decide on Jordan Love's fifth year option, So there's just

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of big decisions that seem to be converging

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<v Speaker 1>at the same moment that at least my hunch would

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<v Speaker 1>be that he's somewhere else. Biggest offseason story for the

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<v Speaker 1>NFL that enterest the Wall Street Journals Andrew Beaton, I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>the movement of the quarterbacks is always one, and I

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<v Speaker 1>think that is trumped up this year. When you have

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<v Speaker 1>names like Lamar Jackson, names like Aaron Rodgers, I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>Aaron Rodgers one of the best quarterbacks of all time.

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<v Speaker 1>He could be playing somewhere else next year. That's kind

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<v Speaker 1>of crazy, right, And so that is really the biggest one.

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<v Speaker 1>But then also this is a kind of fascinating draft

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<v Speaker 1>where last year's draft, you look at the quarterbacks, those

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<v Speaker 1>they always steal the headlines. But last year's draft had

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<v Speaker 1>one quarterback taken in the first round, and there was

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<v Speaker 1>a chance some people thought there'd be none. And this

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<v Speaker 1>year's draft, how many were we looking at? Four? Maybe five? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>but there's a lack of consensus on them that I

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<v Speaker 1>think is gonna be really interesting in terms of, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>a few years from now, one of these teams in

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<v Speaker 1>the one to fifteen range is gonna look really smart,

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<v Speaker 1>and then some are gonna look pretty dumb. But nobody

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<v Speaker 1>right now seems to know exactly who's who. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>some people absolutely swear by Bryce Young. Other people think

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<v Speaker 1>his frame is a little slight to be a quarterback.

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<v Speaker 1>And so with all of these quarterbacks, you can run

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<v Speaker 1>through different scenarios where you can see them becoming superstars,

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<v Speaker 1>where you can see reasons why they might not succeed.

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<v Speaker 1>And I would love to look back on this draft

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<v Speaker 1>in a few years and see who's right and who's wrong.

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<v Speaker 1>As a journalist, how tempting is it for you? It

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<v Speaker 1>seems like you always find a little of a different angle,

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<v Speaker 1>you a little something different to approach a story, and

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<v Speaker 1>it makes you a very fascinating person to read. How

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<v Speaker 1>tempting is it though, to just kind of take the

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<v Speaker 1>low hanging fruit and be like top five quarterbacks in

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<v Speaker 1>the draft, or how we do this? Yeah, yeah, like

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<v Speaker 1>what we do every day. But really, there are so

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<v Speaker 1>many of what seems like redundancies just because everybody is

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<v Speaker 1>covering the same few stories, but you always find the

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<v Speaker 1>different angle. How do you do that? And how do

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<v Speaker 1>you resist just being like, man, I could do this

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<v Speaker 1>story in ten minutes. Well, I think my editor would

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<v Speaker 1>laugh at me if I tried to do the first

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<v Speaker 1>five quarterbacks, because he knows I'm nowhere near good enough

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<v Speaker 1>scout to pretend to do that. But what I'd say

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<v Speaker 1>is like, even all those stories are useful. I'm a

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<v Speaker 1>voracious reader, and I learned about the draft by reading

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<v Speaker 1>the You know, there's hundreds of media here. You learn

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<v Speaker 1>by reading all these people's insights to the people who

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<v Speaker 1>watch the tape for over and over and over again.

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<v Speaker 1>So even though those lists often can seem like redundancies,

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<v Speaker 1>you can still learn a lot by reading the people

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<v Speaker 1>who you think are smart and think about trusting. And

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<v Speaker 1>for me, I know I'm not good enough to evaluate

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<v Speaker 1>Will Levis first, Anthony Richardson's arm, so I have to

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<v Speaker 1>find something different. I tell you, anytime you put out

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<v Speaker 1>something new, I read it and I can't say that

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<v Speaker 1>about a lot of people. You write about a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of stuff I know nothing about. In many cases I

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<v Speaker 1>have no interest in, and I come away from it

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<v Speaker 1>being interested. So thank you for what you do, Andrew

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<v Speaker 1>beaton Wall Street Journal. It's just it's it's a great read.

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<v Speaker 1>Every time you've put something out. Thank you so much

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<v Speaker 1>for taking time with us on the OTPA. I absolutely

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<v Speaker 1>love it. Thank you so much for having it. Fun guy,

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<v Speaker 1>fun guy to get to up. One of the reasons

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<v Speaker 1>I love to combine is you're like, why would you

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<v Speaker 1>throw that on on the OTP from the combine, And

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<v Speaker 1>it's because everybody's here. Everybody is here, Mike, and that

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<v Speaker 1>is so fascinating to get all of those I meause

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<v Speaker 1>everybody see it's not just coaches in general managers that

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<v Speaker 1>are involved now in the world of the National Football League.

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<v Speaker 1>There is a whole ecosystem that works around this because

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<v Speaker 1>it's a it's a great game, but it's a massive business.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a massive business with a lot of tentacles to it,

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<v Speaker 1>and everybody that's involved even like this, Yes they're here,

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<v Speaker 1>they're here because this is the this is the epicenter

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<v Speaker 1>of what's going on. Right now in the National Football League.

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<v Speaker 1>That's why Indy fought to keep the combine. Absolutely it

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<v Speaker 1>is because it draws so many people from so many

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<v Speaker 1>different places all to one concentrated area where they can

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<v Speaker 1>all interact and intermingle. I mean, Andrew was even saying

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<v Speaker 1>that he comes to Indianapolis just to listen and observe.

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<v Speaker 1>That's mostly what he's doing. And there are a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of different journalists who are able to be here and

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<v Speaker 1>do that because everybody is orbiting around each other in

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<v Speaker 1>one I mean matter of a couple blocks. Everybody is

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<v Speaker 1>right in the same space, and there's so much information

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<v Speaker 1>that you're able to take in in this space. Other

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<v Speaker 1>cities wouldn't be able to provide what Indianapolis provides well Geographically,

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<v Speaker 1>that's why this has worked for so long. With the

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<v Speaker 1>exception of the West Coast teams, majority of the National

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<v Speaker 1>Football League is right very near to here. It's a

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<v Speaker 1>central location for I mean think about the Tennessee Titans

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<v Speaker 1>are just down the road, the Indianapolis Colds are right

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<v Speaker 1>here in the backyard. But all the East Coast teams

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<v Speaker 1>it's not that far to get to Indianapolis. Well, and

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<v Speaker 1>coach Mac almost a quarter of the teams are no

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<v Speaker 1>longer sending their coaching staffs to the combine. And it's

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<v Speaker 1>an interesting development, it really is. And I think two

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<v Speaker 1>things lynt to that, Mike. First of all, coaching staffs

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<v Speaker 1>are turning over at a faster rate than they ever have.

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<v Speaker 1>So this time of year, when you've got a new

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<v Speaker 1>staff as a coaching staff, it's vital to start pulling together.

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<v Speaker 1>Once you get people hired, Hey, what are we gonna do.

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<v Speaker 1>What's our basic plan, what's our basic playbook? Look like?

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<v Speaker 1>What's our And this is vital time right now. The

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<v Speaker 1>scouting process of this and the medical process of this

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<v Speaker 1>is what the genesis of this was. That those people,

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<v Speaker 1>those people are all here every those people are all here,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, doing that. But I can understand especially new

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<v Speaker 1>coaching staffs or staffs that have had a pretty good turnover.

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<v Speaker 1>And here's the other thing. The technology now, before when

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<v Speaker 1>I first started doing this, if you didn't come here

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<v Speaker 1>to see it, it might be a week or two

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<v Speaker 1>or maybe longer before you ever got this. This information

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<v Speaker 1>now is like bam button, it's back to you and

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<v Speaker 1>you've got everything that you want. And especially then the workouts, bam,

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<v Speaker 1>it's right back to you. So I think a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of things have lent themselves to that, and I think

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<v Speaker 1>more and more you will see some coaching staffs maybe

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<v Speaker 1>have some people come in that are involved in a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of evaluations, but not everybody. And because it used

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<v Speaker 1>to be everybody, and then some teams are choosing, as

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<v Speaker 1>you said, not to do it now. All right, so

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<v Speaker 1>want to tweet them, if you don't mess around, with

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<v Speaker 1>the Internet. I don't know. Hit me on Twitter at

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<v Speaker 1>Titans Amy, am I E. I'll get them that way too.

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<v Speaker 1>And why are we imploring for this? Listen? Think about

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<v Speaker 1>this ot people. How cool would it be to have

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<v Speaker 1>your OTP Q answered on an OTP not just in

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<v Speaker 1>a regular mail bags sitting I would have on Tennessee

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<v Speaker 1>Titans dot Com from Jim Wyatt sitting here in Indianapolis.

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<v Speaker 1>There it is making it happen. There is the valid

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<v Speaker 1>there it is okay. So at Titans Amy, that's a

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<v Speaker 1>m I E. At Titans Amy. Rhet Brian's Twitter is

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<v Speaker 1>at Rhett b Tennessee And for that matter, we'll just

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<v Speaker 1>throw at Jim White's Twitter at j Wyatt Sports. So

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<v Speaker 1>follow them on Twitter. We've got a lot more coming up,

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<v Speaker 1>more interviews, more discussion, more from Indianapolis. On Thursday. That's

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<v Speaker 1>the fourth day of the combined group. So we'll be

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<v Speaker 1>back to bar for Coach Mack, for Rett Brian for

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<v Speaker 1>Amy Wells. I'm Mike Keith. Thank you for listening to

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<v Speaker 1>the O T. Pete. Welcome to the big show where

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<v Speaker 1>the license go. Everybody knows it's our house fighting thoughts

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