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Thank you for all 15 00:00:48,080 --> 00:00:53,080 Speaker 1: you do. Greg Olsen, boy, he's getting good assignments. Seahawks 16 00:00:53,159 --> 00:00:56,800 Speaker 1: Rams this week. Maybe the game of the year Bears 17 00:00:56,920 --> 00:01:01,160 Speaker 1: Giants last week. So we got a lot to address. 18 00:01:03,000 --> 00:01:05,720 Speaker 1: Let's start. I want to do Bears Giants. I want 19 00:01:05,760 --> 00:01:07,959 Speaker 1: to get that out of the way. So you have 20 00:01:08,040 --> 00:01:12,080 Speaker 1: been an advocate for stop kicking field goals. This is 21 00:01:12,160 --> 00:01:16,280 Speaker 1: not the future and it's interesting in the Bears Giants game, 22 00:01:16,640 --> 00:01:19,800 Speaker 1: they had an opportunity to go for it. The new 23 00:01:19,880 --> 00:01:22,560 Speaker 1: York Giants did, and Brian Dabol elects now we're going 24 00:01:22,640 --> 00:01:25,200 Speaker 1: to go for three. And we've been talking about this, 25 00:01:25,280 --> 00:01:29,880 Speaker 1: the blue Tent stuff with Jackson Dart. That decision just 26 00:01:29,959 --> 00:01:32,319 Speaker 1: gut feeling when they got rid of him, because by 27 00:01:32,319 --> 00:01:34,399 Speaker 1: the way, they've had ten point leads on several teams. 28 00:01:34,400 --> 00:01:36,680 Speaker 1: But now without Scataboo, they can't kill the clock. They're 29 00:01:36,720 --> 00:01:39,440 Speaker 1: not really built now to get a lead and then 30 00:01:39,560 --> 00:01:42,440 Speaker 1: just bawl control it. They're not unless Jackson Dart runs, 31 00:01:42,760 --> 00:01:45,880 Speaker 1: and that's problematic because you get dinged up. Why do 32 00:01:45,959 --> 00:01:51,080 Speaker 1: you think in the end they moved off Dable, Yeah. 33 00:01:50,840 --> 00:01:54,440 Speaker 5: Because I think Dabel is a really good football coach. 34 00:01:54,520 --> 00:01:57,280 Speaker 5: I think Dabel is a really good quarterback developer. I mean, 35 00:01:57,320 --> 00:01:59,000 Speaker 5: you look what he did with Josh Allen, You look 36 00:01:59,040 --> 00:02:01,840 Speaker 5: what he did with you know, with what he's doing 37 00:02:01,880 --> 00:02:04,000 Speaker 5: with Jackson Dart. He obviously was the one who really 38 00:02:04,000 --> 00:02:07,400 Speaker 5: wanted Dirt in the first place. I think it really 39 00:02:07,440 --> 00:02:11,360 Speaker 5: just came down to the expert, you know, the powers 40 00:02:11,400 --> 00:02:14,680 Speaker 5: to be just determined. There's obviously a breakdown and our 41 00:02:14,760 --> 00:02:17,440 Speaker 5: inability to finish these games. I mean, to lose the 42 00:02:17,440 --> 00:02:20,520 Speaker 5: four games that they did with double digit leads, of course, 43 00:02:20,600 --> 00:02:24,760 Speaker 5: Denver being the biggest kind of head scratcher. I don't 44 00:02:24,760 --> 00:02:26,440 Speaker 5: think this had anything to do with they don't think 45 00:02:26,480 --> 00:02:28,600 Speaker 5: Dabel is a good offensive play caller, that he's not 46 00:02:28,639 --> 00:02:31,000 Speaker 5: a good quarterback developer, that he's not getting the best 47 00:02:31,000 --> 00:02:33,800 Speaker 5: out of Jackson Dart and you know, a supporting cast 48 00:02:33,800 --> 00:02:35,760 Speaker 5: that with scottaboo out and elite neighbors, you know, with 49 00:02:35,880 --> 00:02:39,640 Speaker 5: the group around him is not particularly dynamic and explosive. 50 00:02:40,160 --> 00:02:42,920 Speaker 5: They're still in the ability to get leads in the game. 51 00:02:43,000 --> 00:02:45,760 Speaker 5: I think they're looking at it as our decision making, 52 00:02:45,880 --> 00:02:49,280 Speaker 5: our game management, Our processes towards the end are just 53 00:02:49,360 --> 00:02:52,240 Speaker 5: obviously not where they need to be, and I think 54 00:02:52,320 --> 00:02:55,760 Speaker 5: if they were, they'd have maybe four more wins if 55 00:02:55,800 --> 00:02:58,280 Speaker 5: they're being greedy, but at least two or three. And 56 00:02:58,560 --> 00:03:02,840 Speaker 5: so I think it's more about overall management of games, 57 00:03:02,840 --> 00:03:06,079 Speaker 5: decision making, more of that than it is the pure 58 00:03:06,240 --> 00:03:11,000 Speaker 5: x's and o's the development of the quarterback. So I 59 00:03:11,040 --> 00:03:14,520 Speaker 5: think that was probably the final straw. And of course 60 00:03:14,560 --> 00:03:17,240 Speaker 5: the field goal was a big storyline. We covered it 61 00:03:17,760 --> 00:03:21,440 Speaker 5: at length. That's a larger story going on all across 62 00:03:21,480 --> 00:03:24,000 Speaker 5: the league. It kind of played itself out as in 63 00:03:24,040 --> 00:03:26,600 Speaker 5: a moment there in the fourth quarter of the Giants game, 64 00:03:26,720 --> 00:03:28,840 Speaker 5: kicking from goal to go. I would never kick a 65 00:03:28,840 --> 00:03:30,799 Speaker 5: field goal goal to go unless it was to literally 66 00:03:30,880 --> 00:03:33,920 Speaker 5: win the game. But that's a longer conversation with the 67 00:03:33,919 --> 00:03:37,720 Speaker 5: new kickoff rules and field position and strategy. But it's 68 00:03:37,760 --> 00:03:40,120 Speaker 5: hard to say it came down to one decision. I 69 00:03:40,160 --> 00:03:42,200 Speaker 5: think that was a factor in it. I really just 70 00:03:42,240 --> 00:03:45,040 Speaker 5: think it was the totality of the entire situation over 71 00:03:45,080 --> 00:03:47,200 Speaker 5: the last couple of years, they felt that there was 72 00:03:47,320 --> 00:03:51,000 Speaker 5: more wins that ended up being the case. 73 00:03:51,800 --> 00:03:55,200 Speaker 1: How do you explain Caleb Williams JJ McCarthy's good on script, 74 00:03:55,320 --> 00:03:59,120 Speaker 1: bad off it? Caleb actually has been great late over 75 00:03:59,120 --> 00:04:01,040 Speaker 1: the last several weeks. How do you explain that? What 76 00:04:01,080 --> 00:04:04,800 Speaker 1: did your eyes see? Why the struggles and then all 77 00:04:04,800 --> 00:04:06,560 Speaker 1: of a sudden in the fourth quarter he does a 78 00:04:06,640 --> 00:04:08,880 Speaker 1: bo Nicks, he does a Peyton Manning. He's like, Okay, 79 00:04:08,880 --> 00:04:11,040 Speaker 1: I'm just going to control the game. Every snap. 80 00:04:12,640 --> 00:04:14,640 Speaker 4: He was incredible. That is the bet. 81 00:04:14,680 --> 00:04:17,520 Speaker 5: Now, granted I haven't watched every snap of every moment 82 00:04:17,640 --> 00:04:18,680 Speaker 5: since he's come into the league. 83 00:04:18,760 --> 00:04:20,000 Speaker 4: Call it the last year and a half. 84 00:04:20,839 --> 00:04:25,320 Speaker 5: That was by far the best Caleb Williams performance in 85 00:04:25,360 --> 00:04:26,240 Speaker 5: his young career. 86 00:04:26,400 --> 00:04:28,440 Speaker 4: And you know, you can look at last year and. 87 00:04:28,839 --> 00:04:30,440 Speaker 5: You know there was a lot of chaos going on 88 00:04:30,520 --> 00:04:33,600 Speaker 5: and your coach is getting fired and offensive coordinator changes. 89 00:04:33,640 --> 00:04:36,000 Speaker 5: But if we just say, okay, this year is his 90 00:04:36,040 --> 00:04:38,680 Speaker 5: first year of stability, first year with Ben Johnson, this 91 00:04:38,760 --> 00:04:40,279 Speaker 5: is the Caleb we're going to evaluate. 92 00:04:40,920 --> 00:04:43,880 Speaker 4: It's not even close. I mean his ability they. 93 00:04:43,720 --> 00:04:47,560 Speaker 5: Were historically bad last year, Colin taking sacks, and part 94 00:04:47,600 --> 00:04:50,120 Speaker 5: of that is his willingness to playoff script and his 95 00:04:50,200 --> 00:04:52,640 Speaker 5: ability to extend plays and he brings a lot of 96 00:04:52,640 --> 00:04:55,760 Speaker 5: the pressure on himself. But this year, I mean the 97 00:04:55,839 --> 00:04:58,560 Speaker 5: Giants had him dead to rights ten times. They could 98 00:04:58,600 --> 00:05:01,400 Speaker 5: not get him on the ground. And then the piece 99 00:05:01,440 --> 00:05:04,000 Speaker 5: that came together for him, especially in the fourth quarters, 100 00:05:04,200 --> 00:05:05,799 Speaker 5: not only could they not get him on the ground, 101 00:05:06,320 --> 00:05:10,920 Speaker 5: his ability to drive the ball accurately in scramble drilled downfield. 102 00:05:10,920 --> 00:05:14,160 Speaker 5: I mean if his receivers they had six drops by 103 00:05:14,200 --> 00:05:15,920 Speaker 5: far the most of the year for them. I think 104 00:05:15,920 --> 00:05:18,560 Speaker 5: they only had seven coming into the game. Drops were 105 00:05:18,560 --> 00:05:21,680 Speaker 5: an issue. It was cold, it was windy, but it 106 00:05:21,760 --> 00:05:24,320 Speaker 5: had no impact on his ability to drive the ball 107 00:05:24,400 --> 00:05:27,800 Speaker 5: beyond time. Now, do you want to play off script football? 108 00:05:27,960 --> 00:05:31,440 Speaker 5: Is that sustainable over long periods of time. No, we 109 00:05:31,560 --> 00:05:34,080 Speaker 5: have seen that time and time again. There has to 110 00:05:34,120 --> 00:05:36,719 Speaker 5: be an element of there has to be an element 111 00:05:36,760 --> 00:05:39,120 Speaker 5: of rhythm, there has to be an element of timing. 112 00:05:39,400 --> 00:05:41,960 Speaker 5: And I think that's still the balance that Ben Johnson's 113 00:05:42,000 --> 00:05:44,760 Speaker 5: trying to bring out of Caleb. I think they'll when 114 00:05:44,800 --> 00:05:47,560 Speaker 5: things break down in today's NFL, which is going to 115 00:05:47,560 --> 00:05:50,120 Speaker 5: be often past. Protection is very difficult. The rushers are 116 00:05:50,200 --> 00:05:52,480 Speaker 5: very good. Scheme is good. You have to have a 117 00:05:52,560 --> 00:05:56,520 Speaker 5: quarterback that can make second, second level plays, meaning it's 118 00:05:56,520 --> 00:05:59,000 Speaker 5: not the initial read, it's not the initial timing. I 119 00:05:59,040 --> 00:06:01,479 Speaker 5: got a playoff script. He can do that as well 120 00:06:01,520 --> 00:06:04,200 Speaker 5: as anyone. As they continue to get him into more 121 00:06:04,240 --> 00:06:07,279 Speaker 5: of the on time rhythm component of Ben Johnson's drop 122 00:06:07,360 --> 00:06:11,480 Speaker 5: that game. If that continues to develop, That's what Chicago 123 00:06:11,560 --> 00:06:13,000 Speaker 5: thought they were drafting last year. 124 00:06:14,040 --> 00:06:17,800 Speaker 1: So I felt like watching Green Bay in Philadelphia, I 125 00:06:17,920 --> 00:06:21,600 Speaker 1: was watching kind of the same thing. Is that both 126 00:06:21,680 --> 00:06:24,400 Speaker 1: these quarterbacks when they had elite rushing games last year, 127 00:06:25,000 --> 00:06:29,440 Speaker 1: were really excellent, but they're not Mahomes or Lamar or Allen. 128 00:06:29,839 --> 00:06:32,159 Speaker 1: Is that if you take the running game away from both, 129 00:06:32,279 --> 00:06:35,760 Speaker 1: they're good, but you see the holes so I could 130 00:06:35,800 --> 00:06:39,720 Speaker 1: blame Laflor, I could blame the injuries, but Green Bay 131 00:06:39,839 --> 00:06:44,520 Speaker 1: to me, their inability to run the ball puts more pressure, 132 00:06:44,880 --> 00:06:47,680 Speaker 1: more throws on Jordan and I think he's a really 133 00:06:47,760 --> 00:06:50,800 Speaker 1: good quarterback. But in my life, Greg, there's been about 134 00:06:50,839 --> 00:06:54,679 Speaker 1: five quarterbacks that Joe Burrow can get to the super 135 00:06:54,680 --> 00:06:57,880 Speaker 1: Bowl with an atrocious old line that can win games 136 00:06:58,480 --> 00:07:01,279 Speaker 1: like Justin Herbert, without a run game or as tackles. 137 00:07:01,680 --> 00:07:04,760 Speaker 1: That's very unique. There's five or six guys on the planet, 138 00:07:05,040 --> 00:07:07,760 Speaker 1: and I think Hurts and Love are good, but the 139 00:07:07,839 --> 00:07:11,840 Speaker 1: run games for both have disappeared, and that means more 140 00:07:11,880 --> 00:07:14,440 Speaker 1: on them. That's my view, and that that's maybe not 141 00:07:14,520 --> 00:07:16,960 Speaker 1: what they are. I mean, I can't explain Green Bay's 142 00:07:16,960 --> 00:07:19,440 Speaker 1: offense outside of that. What do you see? 143 00:07:20,640 --> 00:07:23,240 Speaker 5: Yeah, I had the Green Bay game, so I saw 144 00:07:23,320 --> 00:07:25,200 Speaker 5: him two weeks ago in the home loss in Lambeau 145 00:07:25,600 --> 00:07:28,040 Speaker 5: to the Panthers, which yep, you know, they only scored 146 00:07:28,240 --> 00:07:30,840 Speaker 5: thirteen points. So they've scored twenty points in the last 147 00:07:30,920 --> 00:07:35,080 Speaker 5: two games. With going into the Panther game watching Jordan 148 00:07:35,160 --> 00:07:37,520 Speaker 5: Love this year, just the eye test and then diving 149 00:07:37,560 --> 00:07:40,360 Speaker 5: into some of the more metric driven analysis of just 150 00:07:40,400 --> 00:07:44,239 Speaker 5: evaluating quarterbacks, you know, looking past pass protection, looking past 151 00:07:44,640 --> 00:07:47,440 Speaker 5: opened routs, by scheme, like, there's a lot of ways 152 00:07:47,440 --> 00:07:50,400 Speaker 5: to really like determine how much of this is quarterback 153 00:07:50,440 --> 00:07:52,600 Speaker 5: driven and how much of this is scheme and environment 154 00:07:52,680 --> 00:07:56,920 Speaker 5: driven by all metrics, film and advanced study. Going into 155 00:07:56,920 --> 00:07:59,480 Speaker 5: that Panthers game, I thought, I thought Jordan Love was 156 00:07:59,520 --> 00:08:02,080 Speaker 5: a top five quarterback in the league this season through 157 00:08:02,160 --> 00:08:04,400 Speaker 5: at the time it was seven or eight games, I 158 00:08:04,400 --> 00:08:07,080 Speaker 5: thought he was playing as well as anybody. 159 00:08:06,640 --> 00:08:07,400 Speaker 4: Across the league. 160 00:08:07,400 --> 00:08:09,760 Speaker 5: And then what we've seen in the last two weeks 161 00:08:10,240 --> 00:08:12,720 Speaker 5: is you mentioned the run game, and I think there's 162 00:08:12,800 --> 00:08:15,400 Speaker 5: two There's two components to that conversation, right, there was 163 00:08:15,400 --> 00:08:18,480 Speaker 5: a lot to be discussed about run game value and importance. 164 00:08:19,560 --> 00:08:24,200 Speaker 5: Run game matters, right, It does matter if you are 165 00:08:24,400 --> 00:08:27,880 Speaker 5: Jonathan Taylor and Saquon Barkley last year where they're ripping 166 00:08:27,920 --> 00:08:31,160 Speaker 5: off these large, chunk, explosive plays and they're running for 167 00:08:31,200 --> 00:08:34,280 Speaker 5: fifty yard touchdowns and forty yard touchdowns. You think back 168 00:08:34,320 --> 00:08:37,080 Speaker 5: to Saquon and the playoffs last year through their Super 169 00:08:37,120 --> 00:08:39,880 Speaker 5: Bowl with victory, like, yes, the run game was so 170 00:08:40,000 --> 00:08:43,280 Speaker 5: valuable because those forty fifty yard touchdowns he's running for 171 00:08:43,640 --> 00:08:46,560 Speaker 5: are better than any pass play, but that is so 172 00:08:46,880 --> 00:08:49,560 Speaker 5: hard to rely on. Very few teams have a back 173 00:08:49,600 --> 00:08:52,120 Speaker 5: in a system that can generate those plays. 174 00:08:52,400 --> 00:08:53,120 Speaker 4: So all of a sudden you. 175 00:08:53,120 --> 00:08:55,240 Speaker 5: Start saying, Okay, what is the value of the run game. 176 00:08:55,679 --> 00:08:58,680 Speaker 5: We saw both teams last night really commit to staying 177 00:08:58,800 --> 00:09:01,560 Speaker 5: true to the run because the score allowed them. But 178 00:09:01,600 --> 00:09:03,520 Speaker 5: then you look up at the scoreboard and it's three 179 00:09:03,559 --> 00:09:05,320 Speaker 5: to nothing at the end of the first half. So 180 00:09:06,160 --> 00:09:08,439 Speaker 5: at the end of the day, in the regular season, 181 00:09:09,760 --> 00:09:14,720 Speaker 5: scoring points is directly tied to passing game and explosive 182 00:09:14,800 --> 00:09:17,520 Speaker 5: run game. If you don't do those two things, you 183 00:09:17,559 --> 00:09:19,280 Speaker 5: are not going to score. You might have good time 184 00:09:19,320 --> 00:09:22,080 Speaker 5: of possession, you might run for a lot of total 185 00:09:22,160 --> 00:09:25,679 Speaker 5: gross yards, you are not going to score points in 186 00:09:25,720 --> 00:09:29,120 Speaker 5: the regular season, which is an offensive driven time of year. Now, 187 00:09:29,160 --> 00:09:33,160 Speaker 5: postseason run games more valuable. Defense is more valuable because 188 00:09:33,160 --> 00:09:35,040 Speaker 5: we've gotten rid of all the bad teams. All the 189 00:09:35,040 --> 00:09:37,000 Speaker 5: bad teams are home sitting on the couch. It's now 190 00:09:37,120 --> 00:09:40,120 Speaker 5: just good versus good. It's not just what offenses can 191 00:09:40,160 --> 00:09:42,040 Speaker 5: throw and score a lot of points. There's more value 192 00:09:42,080 --> 00:09:44,280 Speaker 5: to it. So I think they've got to get back 193 00:09:44,320 --> 00:09:46,480 Speaker 5: to putting the ball in Jordan Love's hand on first 194 00:09:46,520 --> 00:09:49,199 Speaker 5: and second down, not being in second and eight, because 195 00:09:49,240 --> 00:09:51,800 Speaker 5: every first down is a run. Continue to push the 196 00:09:51,800 --> 00:09:55,120 Speaker 5: ball downfield, continue to give his guys chances like that 197 00:09:55,320 --> 00:09:58,960 Speaker 5: run game will get better the more aggressive they are 198 00:09:59,000 --> 00:10:01,640 Speaker 5: with their early down passing game. I think everyone always 199 00:10:01,640 --> 00:10:03,440 Speaker 5: wants to look at it the other way, like We're 200 00:10:03,480 --> 00:10:07,040 Speaker 5: gonna run them into run defenses. 201 00:10:06,920 --> 00:10:08,240 Speaker 4: And then I'm gonna throw the ball over. 202 00:10:08,120 --> 00:10:11,200 Speaker 5: Their head, when in reality, the more I fear your 203 00:10:11,280 --> 00:10:15,240 Speaker 5: passing game, the more favorable situations both personnel. You're gonna 204 00:10:15,240 --> 00:10:16,720 Speaker 5: play a lot of nickel against me, a lot of 205 00:10:16,760 --> 00:10:19,559 Speaker 5: little bodies on the field, I'll run at that and 206 00:10:19,679 --> 00:10:22,000 Speaker 5: light boxes all of a sudden, Now my passing game 207 00:10:22,600 --> 00:10:26,360 Speaker 5: leads to my run game getting better, and it's typically 208 00:10:26,400 --> 00:10:27,800 Speaker 5: not the other way around. 209 00:10:27,920 --> 00:10:28,640 Speaker 4: Most of the time. 210 00:10:30,240 --> 00:10:34,320 Speaker 1: Seahawks rams that is, that's an assignment that is gonna 211 00:10:34,360 --> 00:10:38,560 Speaker 1: be wild. Seattle has been a bit more reckless than 212 00:10:38,559 --> 00:10:42,720 Speaker 1: the Rams. Rams are young on defense, not on offense. 213 00:10:42,800 --> 00:10:47,960 Speaker 1: The Seahawks are young everywhere. Go to your youngest team, 214 00:10:48,200 --> 00:10:52,160 Speaker 1: Green Bay's young and they're inconsistent. Do you worry about 215 00:10:52,400 --> 00:10:54,880 Speaker 1: in the end with Seattle? Is you know you got 216 00:10:54,920 --> 00:10:58,760 Speaker 1: Stafford and you got heven steinright tackle, and you got Davonte. 217 00:10:59,200 --> 00:11:02,680 Speaker 1: There's a lot of beards. There's a lot of old 218 00:11:02,720 --> 00:11:06,360 Speaker 1: guys in this league. Seattle is kids in JSN, and 219 00:11:06,760 --> 00:11:10,040 Speaker 1: Darnold's still relatively young, and their best offensive lineman's a 220 00:11:10,160 --> 00:11:13,280 Speaker 1: rookie and their corners are young. How do you view 221 00:11:13,280 --> 00:11:15,800 Speaker 1: the game in Seattle's youth? Because I think Seattle is 222 00:11:15,920 --> 00:11:18,720 Speaker 1: stunning a lot of people. We all knew the Rams 223 00:11:18,720 --> 00:11:20,920 Speaker 1: would be fine. I don't think most people thought the 224 00:11:20,960 --> 00:11:23,360 Speaker 1: Seahawks could arguably the best be the best team in 225 00:11:23,400 --> 00:11:23,920 Speaker 1: the league. 226 00:11:25,360 --> 00:11:28,760 Speaker 5: Yeah, first off, we're beyond excited. We've been thinking about 227 00:11:28,760 --> 00:11:30,920 Speaker 5: this game since they gave us the matchup a week 228 00:11:31,000 --> 00:11:33,720 Speaker 5: or two ago. I think it's the best matchup of 229 00:11:33,800 --> 00:11:35,560 Speaker 5: the year. Now, how does the game play out and 230 00:11:35,600 --> 00:11:38,640 Speaker 5: how does it live up? Nobody knows, but I would 231 00:11:38,720 --> 00:11:41,280 Speaker 5: make the argument these are two of the top three 232 00:11:41,559 --> 00:11:44,199 Speaker 5: teams at worst. I could probably make a really strong 233 00:11:44,280 --> 00:11:47,520 Speaker 5: argument it's one in two in any particular order. I 234 00:11:47,559 --> 00:11:49,720 Speaker 5: think they're so good on both sides of the ball. 235 00:11:50,080 --> 00:11:53,240 Speaker 5: I think your point about Seattle's youth is real, But 236 00:11:54,080 --> 00:11:55,840 Speaker 5: on some of the best teams that I've been on, 237 00:11:55,960 --> 00:11:58,880 Speaker 5: there is kind of like a ignorance's glist to youth 238 00:11:58,920 --> 00:12:04,120 Speaker 5: where they're young, they're energetic, they're athletic, they're living, and 239 00:12:04,160 --> 00:12:06,680 Speaker 5: they're loving every moment of this. We're like, they almost 240 00:12:06,679 --> 00:12:09,760 Speaker 5: don't even realize how hard what they're doing is. They 241 00:12:09,760 --> 00:12:12,200 Speaker 5: don't realize how hard it is to win at this level. 242 00:12:12,240 --> 00:12:15,040 Speaker 5: Like all they know is success, All they know is 243 00:12:15,080 --> 00:12:17,880 Speaker 5: winning because they haven't been in the league long enough 244 00:12:17,920 --> 00:12:20,560 Speaker 5: to have those scars. There's a power to that, right, 245 00:12:20,600 --> 00:12:23,240 Speaker 5: there's a beauty to that where we don't have to 246 00:12:23,320 --> 00:12:25,280 Speaker 5: undo any of these bad habits, we don't need to 247 00:12:25,360 --> 00:12:27,360 Speaker 5: undo any of these bad moments because you played on 248 00:12:27,400 --> 00:12:30,840 Speaker 5: another bad team, you know, five years ago. So I 249 00:12:30,880 --> 00:12:33,680 Speaker 5: think they are young. I think they're extremely talented. They've 250 00:12:33,720 --> 00:12:36,760 Speaker 5: got a lot of star young players at multiple positions 251 00:12:36,760 --> 00:12:40,120 Speaker 5: on both sides of the field. And I give McDonald McDonald, 252 00:12:40,200 --> 00:12:43,800 Speaker 5: I give them a lot of credit. After one year 253 00:12:43,800 --> 00:12:46,319 Speaker 5: of being a head coach, he took a look at 254 00:12:46,320 --> 00:12:48,480 Speaker 5: his offense last year and said, you know what, this 255 00:12:48,640 --> 00:12:51,120 Speaker 5: is not where we want to be and Gino it 256 00:12:51,160 --> 00:12:53,880 Speaker 5: did not play bad by any stretch of the imagination, 257 00:12:54,120 --> 00:12:56,800 Speaker 5: and as an organization with which Schneider and then they said, 258 00:12:56,800 --> 00:12:59,640 Speaker 5: you know what we need to change of pace offensively. 259 00:12:59,679 --> 00:13:02,120 Speaker 5: They go out and they get Kubiak from New Orleans, 260 00:13:02,160 --> 00:13:04,079 Speaker 5: who took the league by storm as a play caller 261 00:13:04,160 --> 00:13:07,040 Speaker 5: early the year, kind of fizzled when he lost Derek Carr. 262 00:13:07,400 --> 00:13:09,880 Speaker 5: They saw through that. They said, his vision of offense 263 00:13:10,000 --> 00:13:12,079 Speaker 5: is what we want to be here. We want to 264 00:13:12,080 --> 00:13:13,880 Speaker 5: be under center, we want to be play action, we 265 00:13:13,920 --> 00:13:16,319 Speaker 5: want to be explosive passing game. They get in a 266 00:13:16,360 --> 00:13:18,800 Speaker 5: lot of those big bodies. They put you in base 267 00:13:18,920 --> 00:13:21,920 Speaker 5: defense to throw the ball against you. It's a really 268 00:13:21,960 --> 00:13:26,000 Speaker 5: popular strategy that's becoming more, you know, kind of popular 269 00:13:26,040 --> 00:13:26,800 Speaker 5: throughout the league. 270 00:13:27,040 --> 00:13:27,400 Speaker 4: I love. 271 00:13:27,480 --> 00:13:29,960 Speaker 5: And then defensively, you know, with a defensive head coach, 272 00:13:29,960 --> 00:13:31,840 Speaker 5: they're always going to put their identity there. They're going 273 00:13:31,880 --> 00:13:35,440 Speaker 5: to play fast. Witherspoon's a stud, like at DeMarcus Lawrence. 274 00:13:35,600 --> 00:13:38,079 Speaker 5: What a great signing that we've seen him kill people 275 00:13:38,120 --> 00:13:42,120 Speaker 5: for years in Dallas. Like, it is a really fun 276 00:13:42,200 --> 00:13:44,120 Speaker 5: team to watch. They're good on both sides of the 277 00:13:44,120 --> 00:13:46,800 Speaker 5: ball and everything I just said, if you just swapped 278 00:13:46,800 --> 00:13:50,160 Speaker 5: out the Rams, maybe outside of some of the youth, 279 00:13:50,280 --> 00:13:54,040 Speaker 5: it's the exact same story. So yeah, it's it's in 280 00:13:54,040 --> 00:13:55,960 Speaker 5: my mind, it's the best matchup of the year with 281 00:13:56,040 --> 00:13:58,880 Speaker 5: two of the best three or four teams if we're 282 00:13:58,880 --> 00:14:01,120 Speaker 5: being conservative, in the entire league. 283 00:14:01,240 --> 00:14:03,839 Speaker 2: Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays 284 00:14:03,840 --> 00:14:07,400 Speaker 2: in Noone Eastern non am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio 285 00:14:07,720 --> 00:14:11,880 Speaker 2: FS one and the iHeartRadio app. Fox Sports Radio is 286 00:14:11,960 --> 00:14:14,760 Speaker 2: taking over YouTube and you can be a part of it. 287 00:14:15,640 --> 00:14:18,160 Speaker 2: Just go to YouTube and search Fox Sports Radio, hit 288 00:14:18,200 --> 00:14:21,880 Speaker 2: that subscribe button and smash that notification bill and catch 289 00:14:21,960 --> 00:14:24,480 Speaker 2: all the videos from your favorite shows. 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So when 298 00:14:48,520 --> 00:14:52,040 Speaker 1: you you had cam and again, Detroit wasn't talked about. 299 00:14:52,760 --> 00:14:54,840 Speaker 1: But as a tight end and as a guy who 300 00:14:54,920 --> 00:14:58,640 Speaker 1: really studies and thinks the game, did you know Stafford 301 00:14:58,720 --> 00:15:01,760 Speaker 1: was this good like he was losing? But were you down? 302 00:15:01,840 --> 00:15:03,800 Speaker 1: I don't know if you were Chicago, Carolina, cood been 303 00:15:03,880 --> 00:15:06,920 Speaker 1: both and you had Aaron Rodgers dominating the division, and 304 00:15:06,960 --> 00:15:09,280 Speaker 1: you had Brady and you had Manning and all these guys. 305 00:15:09,840 --> 00:15:13,080 Speaker 1: And there was that guy up in Detroit and he 306 00:15:13,160 --> 00:15:14,880 Speaker 1: was young and he was out of Georgia. Did you 307 00:15:14,960 --> 00:15:15,800 Speaker 1: ever think he'd be this? 308 00:15:18,720 --> 00:15:19,120 Speaker 4: I'll tell you. 309 00:15:19,080 --> 00:15:21,840 Speaker 5: You know what's so funny about the quarterback position, And 310 00:15:21,840 --> 00:15:24,240 Speaker 5: we still do it today. We do it all the 311 00:15:24,280 --> 00:15:27,440 Speaker 5: time on both ends of the spectrum. We assume quarterbacks 312 00:15:27,480 --> 00:15:30,840 Speaker 5: on bad teams are bad, and we assume that good 313 00:15:31,320 --> 00:15:34,920 Speaker 5: that quarterbacks on good teams are good. So we probably 314 00:15:35,000 --> 00:15:38,120 Speaker 5: give quarterbacks too much of the credit at times, and 315 00:15:38,160 --> 00:15:40,680 Speaker 5: we probably give them too much of the blame at 316 00:15:40,680 --> 00:15:44,360 Speaker 5: times when oftentimes, outside of the few extremes, it's probably 317 00:15:44,360 --> 00:15:48,840 Speaker 5: a combination of team environment, coaching, and player all thrown 318 00:15:48,840 --> 00:15:49,560 Speaker 5: into the pot. 319 00:15:49,400 --> 00:15:49,920 Speaker 4: And mixed up. 320 00:15:49,960 --> 00:15:51,520 Speaker 5: So, I mean, you look back at some of the 321 00:15:51,600 --> 00:15:54,480 Speaker 5: years he had with Calvin Johnson, and yes, they lost 322 00:15:54,520 --> 00:15:56,640 Speaker 5: a lot of games, and it was not you know, 323 00:15:56,840 --> 00:15:59,360 Speaker 5: it was not the Detroit Lions organization that we know 324 00:15:59,440 --> 00:16:00,200 Speaker 5: now under and. 325 00:16:00,160 --> 00:16:02,120 Speaker 4: Campbell it was. 326 00:16:02,320 --> 00:16:05,920 Speaker 5: He was always so talented, the armed what we'd see, 327 00:16:05,960 --> 00:16:08,000 Speaker 5: he put up big numbers. Now, granted a lot of 328 00:16:08,040 --> 00:16:11,120 Speaker 5: that was in playing from behind and chasing points, but 329 00:16:11,520 --> 00:16:16,040 Speaker 5: I think anybody who watched football probably could could do 330 00:16:16,080 --> 00:16:20,040 Speaker 5: a good job separating the outcome wins and losses and 331 00:16:20,160 --> 00:16:22,760 Speaker 5: watch Stafford play and say, I know chaos is ensuing 332 00:16:22,800 --> 00:16:23,280 Speaker 5: around him. 333 00:16:23,320 --> 00:16:24,440 Speaker 4: I know this is dysfunction. 334 00:16:24,640 --> 00:16:27,880 Speaker 5: I know there's coaching turnover and losses are out of 335 00:16:27,920 --> 00:16:30,840 Speaker 5: high like, but this dude can flat out play and 336 00:16:30,840 --> 00:16:32,920 Speaker 5: then obviously we know what's happened. He gets put with 337 00:16:33,880 --> 00:16:36,200 Speaker 5: arguably the best coach in the league. You know, mcveigh's 338 00:16:36,800 --> 00:16:39,520 Speaker 5: probably top. You know, he's one or two. I don't 339 00:16:39,560 --> 00:16:41,960 Speaker 5: know who you'd pick over him, and he gets put 340 00:16:42,000 --> 00:16:44,800 Speaker 5: into that environment. They have immediate success, of course, win 341 00:16:44,840 --> 00:16:47,600 Speaker 5: in the super Bowl, but then they experienced some lows. 342 00:16:47,680 --> 00:16:48,320 Speaker 4: He went back. 343 00:16:48,360 --> 00:16:51,160 Speaker 5: Now, where can the Rams figured out? What's his future? 344 00:16:51,240 --> 00:16:52,760 Speaker 4: Is he going to go? Is they going to trade 345 00:16:52,840 --> 00:16:53,720 Speaker 4: him to somewhere else? 346 00:16:53,800 --> 00:16:56,640 Speaker 5: Is they going to retire like they went through some 347 00:16:56,800 --> 00:16:59,760 Speaker 5: down years following that Super Bowl, where I'm sure a 348 00:16:59,760 --> 00:17:02,960 Speaker 5: lot of that experience from Stafford paid dividends. You know, 349 00:17:03,000 --> 00:17:06,840 Speaker 5: he had been in that chaos before, and now obviously 350 00:17:06,840 --> 00:17:09,560 Speaker 5: they're riding it up. They've drafted incredibly well. They've got 351 00:17:09,640 --> 00:17:11,720 Speaker 5: really talented on the on the defensive side of the 352 00:17:11,760 --> 00:17:14,840 Speaker 5: ball through the draft. And Stafford at you know, thirty 353 00:17:14,840 --> 00:17:16,239 Speaker 5: eight years old or whatever he is. 354 00:17:16,320 --> 00:17:18,080 Speaker 4: I mean, he's. 355 00:17:17,760 --> 00:17:20,359 Speaker 5: Probably the MVP of the league. It's him and Drake 356 00:17:20,480 --> 00:17:24,920 Speaker 5: May if the season ended today. And pretty remarkable journey 357 00:17:24,960 --> 00:17:29,000 Speaker 5: for a guy whose talent leadership. Everybody do you know 358 00:17:29,080 --> 00:17:32,359 Speaker 5: that has played with Stafford, whether they won one game 359 00:17:32,720 --> 00:17:33,920 Speaker 5: or they won the Super Bowl. 360 00:17:34,240 --> 00:17:36,560 Speaker 4: Every teammate and coach loves him. 361 00:17:36,840 --> 00:17:39,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, they do. And he's a pro. He puts in 362 00:17:39,600 --> 00:17:41,840 Speaker 1: the time in the film room. I've seen specials on him. 363 00:17:41,840 --> 00:17:44,160 Speaker 1: He's a you know, he's a total pros pro. He's 364 00:17:44,160 --> 00:17:48,040 Speaker 1: a grinder. Greg Olsen, boy, I don't get jealous much. 365 00:17:48,040 --> 00:17:53,840 Speaker 1: Seahawks rams that that is a unbelievable matchup of just 366 00:17:53,960 --> 00:17:56,679 Speaker 1: two stacked rosters and go crush it. 367 00:17:56,760 --> 00:17:59,359 Speaker 4: Thanks man, appreciate you, good seeing you. 368 00:18:00,080 --> 00:18:02,440 Speaker 1: Right, Greg Golfen Jmak with the news. 369 00:18:04,119 --> 00:18:09,080 Speaker 6: Turns this is the Herd line news. How about them? 370 00:18:09,080 --> 00:18:12,840 Speaker 7: Baltimore Ravens made an appearance in the Herd Hierarchy this 371 00:18:12,880 --> 00:18:15,840 Speaker 7: week bit of a surprise too many. There are only 372 00:18:15,840 --> 00:18:18,480 Speaker 7: four and five, but when you start peeling off wins 373 00:18:18,480 --> 00:18:21,280 Speaker 7: as they have with Lamar three straight and they're just 374 00:18:21,400 --> 00:18:25,280 Speaker 7: one back of Pittsburgh and the AC North. Here's Lamar 375 00:18:25,400 --> 00:18:28,080 Speaker 7: talking about the team keeping that positive energy. 376 00:18:29,520 --> 00:18:33,800 Speaker 4: Do you feel this team has a herd aquaria? Yeah, well, 377 00:18:34,240 --> 00:18:35,879 Speaker 4: I know it's still a lot of them. All. I know, 378 00:18:35,920 --> 00:18:39,160 Speaker 4: you've got to stay a lot down. Cat taking place 379 00:18:39,200 --> 00:18:41,680 Speaker 4: and nothing like that. You know, we gotta stay down all. 380 00:18:43,200 --> 00:18:46,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, listen, they are still and maybe not 381 00:18:46,560 --> 00:18:49,120 Speaker 1: as much this week as the last two, but there 382 00:18:49,200 --> 00:18:53,000 Speaker 1: is there is something to be said, like in Miami 383 00:18:53,080 --> 00:18:55,240 Speaker 1: right now, Why are the Dolphins playing so well? Like 384 00:18:55,280 --> 00:18:57,760 Speaker 1: Mike McDaniel and his staff, No, we're fighting for our 385 00:18:57,840 --> 00:19:00,439 Speaker 1: jobs every Sunday. Well literally, our game play is being 386 00:19:00,480 --> 00:19:03,399 Speaker 1: judged by the guy upstairs. There was something about Baltimore 387 00:19:03,680 --> 00:19:05,800 Speaker 1: has to win all these games now, but the Steelers 388 00:19:05,800 --> 00:19:08,760 Speaker 1: losing to the Chargers that gives them now they're back 389 00:19:08,800 --> 00:19:11,119 Speaker 1: in it their favor to win that division. But the 390 00:19:11,200 --> 00:19:14,280 Speaker 1: last couple of weeks they had to win games, and 391 00:19:14,320 --> 00:19:16,960 Speaker 1: that Minnesota game was in doubt for three quarters. So 392 00:19:17,600 --> 00:19:19,840 Speaker 1: I think winning in Minnesota is tougher than you think. 393 00:19:19,920 --> 00:19:23,679 Speaker 1: And listen, when they're healthy, this is a great roster. 394 00:19:23,800 --> 00:19:25,720 Speaker 1: There's not a lot of great rosters in the league 395 00:19:25,760 --> 00:19:27,520 Speaker 1: when they're all healthy. This is one of them. 396 00:19:27,840 --> 00:19:30,800 Speaker 7: Yeah, if you remember that Minnesota game, I think they. 397 00:19:30,800 --> 00:19:32,240 Speaker 6: Fumbled two straight kickoffs. 398 00:19:32,560 --> 00:19:35,879 Speaker 7: One they lost when they were covered with Minnesota imploded. Yes, 399 00:19:36,200 --> 00:19:38,800 Speaker 7: the Ravens offense did not look great in the first half. 400 00:19:38,960 --> 00:19:40,320 Speaker 6: Here's the Ravens schedule. 401 00:19:40,880 --> 00:19:43,440 Speaker 7: We looked like geniuses telling you weeks ago better on 402 00:19:43,480 --> 00:19:45,359 Speaker 7: them to win the division. As you said, now, I 403 00:19:45,400 --> 00:19:48,320 Speaker 7: think they're almost minus three hundred. Listen, this Browns game 404 00:19:48,359 --> 00:19:50,679 Speaker 7: will not be easy. Cleveland's defense at home shows up. 405 00:19:50,720 --> 00:19:52,520 Speaker 1: But I mean, look at this. Look at the quarterbacks. 406 00:19:52,560 --> 00:19:56,639 Speaker 1: You're facing Dylan Gabriel justin fields. Now, that Week thirteen 407 00:19:56,760 --> 00:20:01,280 Speaker 1: game is interesting because Jay Glazer talked to Joe Burrow 408 00:20:01,320 --> 00:20:04,080 Speaker 1: and Burrows saying, hey, a couple of weeks hopefully, so 409 00:20:04,720 --> 00:20:07,720 Speaker 1: if he burrows back, that changes the calculus you wanted 410 00:20:07,720 --> 00:20:09,680 Speaker 1: to get if you're a Ravens fan. Won Jake Browning 411 00:20:10,200 --> 00:20:12,760 Speaker 1: h slash Joe Flacco game because that's a win. 412 00:20:14,000 --> 00:20:16,399 Speaker 6: But yeah, we'll see. I think the Ravens are good 413 00:20:16,440 --> 00:20:17,000 Speaker 6: in the division. 414 00:20:17,520 --> 00:20:19,879 Speaker 7: I did watch that offense, Colin, and I was a 415 00:20:19,880 --> 00:20:23,200 Speaker 7: little upset that they they didn't they made They really 416 00:20:23,240 --> 00:20:24,600 Speaker 7: struggled against Minnesota. 417 00:20:24,680 --> 00:20:26,200 Speaker 6: Yeah, in the first half. 418 00:20:26,200 --> 00:20:29,280 Speaker 7: And Derrick Henry remember that opener he had like a 419 00:20:29,280 --> 00:20:30,800 Speaker 7: buck seventy against Buffalo. 420 00:20:31,440 --> 00:20:34,239 Speaker 6: Has he had it any like dominant games since then? 421 00:20:34,880 --> 00:20:35,040 Speaker 4: No? 422 00:20:35,119 --> 00:20:38,920 Speaker 1: I mean, I listen, it's who's their number one receivers? 423 00:20:38,960 --> 00:20:43,440 Speaker 1: A Flowers, A Flowers. Yeah, I mean they I don't 424 00:20:43,520 --> 00:20:46,240 Speaker 1: think they got a lot of good players. I don't 425 00:20:46,280 --> 00:20:48,720 Speaker 1: think it's one of the more dynamic offenses. I also 426 00:20:48,760 --> 00:20:51,959 Speaker 1: think Lamar, as he's aged, wants to run less and 427 00:20:52,000 --> 00:20:54,600 Speaker 1: wants to throw more. And you know that's a little 428 00:20:54,600 --> 00:20:58,520 Speaker 1: bit of a secret sauce when he does run. So yeah, 429 00:20:58,560 --> 00:21:01,879 Speaker 1: I mean, I I like organizationally as much as anybody 430 00:21:01,960 --> 00:21:04,520 Speaker 1: on the top to bottom, owner to Lamar to roster. 431 00:21:04,640 --> 00:21:06,960 Speaker 1: It's it's a across the board for me. 432 00:21:07,440 --> 00:21:10,240 Speaker 7: All right, let's move on. Let's go to the Joe 433 00:21:10,240 --> 00:21:15,440 Speaker 7: Burrow situation. Very interesting, Colin. He returned to practice on Monday, 434 00:21:16,200 --> 00:21:18,879 Speaker 7: very surprising that the twenty one day window for. 435 00:21:18,920 --> 00:21:20,480 Speaker 6: Him to return from IR is open. 436 00:21:20,880 --> 00:21:24,320 Speaker 7: Burrow spoke to the media about it and his potential 437 00:21:24,320 --> 00:21:25,040 Speaker 7: target date. 438 00:21:26,320 --> 00:21:30,639 Speaker 3: The running, cutting, twitchy shortstops that we're gonna have to. 439 00:21:30,600 --> 00:21:33,520 Speaker 4: See over these next couple of weeks how it feels 440 00:21:33,560 --> 00:21:36,480 Speaker 4: and where that goes. Our division is wide open. There's 441 00:21:36,520 --> 00:21:40,720 Speaker 4: a lot of I think at Pittsburgh's five and four 442 00:21:40,760 --> 00:21:41,200 Speaker 4: at this point. 443 00:21:41,240 --> 00:21:44,320 Speaker 3: We played them this week, so you know, everything is 444 00:21:44,320 --> 00:21:45,720 Speaker 3: still there in front of us. 445 00:21:49,040 --> 00:21:51,520 Speaker 1: They'll they'll, they'll be a very interesting spoiler. 446 00:21:52,760 --> 00:21:54,800 Speaker 6: Can they speak in a wild card nown. 447 00:21:55,119 --> 00:21:59,360 Speaker 1: No, but they can ruin Pittsburgh season. You know, if 448 00:21:59,359 --> 00:22:02,760 Speaker 1: they can knock out Pittsburgh. 449 00:22:03,359 --> 00:22:07,320 Speaker 7: Wow, where are you on that Bengals Bengals Steelers game 450 00:22:07,359 --> 00:22:10,919 Speaker 7: this week? Because you know, I almost want to make 451 00:22:10,920 --> 00:22:13,840 Speaker 7: a case for the Bengals coming off the buy rested, 452 00:22:13,920 --> 00:22:17,080 Speaker 7: but I just I don't trust that defense at all. 453 00:22:17,160 --> 00:22:18,720 Speaker 6: It's arguably the worst in the league. 454 00:22:20,040 --> 00:22:27,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, I very interesting. I don't know. I think I 455 00:22:27,560 --> 00:22:32,000 Speaker 1: think if Burrow comes back and see week of twelve, thirteen, fourteen, fait. 456 00:22:32,040 --> 00:22:34,960 Speaker 1: I mean they got tough games to Baltimore, Buffalo, New England. 457 00:22:35,600 --> 00:22:37,480 Speaker 1: So he's not gonna play. I guess he's not gonna 458 00:22:37,480 --> 00:22:38,840 Speaker 1: play against Pittsburgh. 459 00:22:38,880 --> 00:22:41,440 Speaker 7: Okay, so he's not gonna play against the Patriots. Which 460 00:22:41,480 --> 00:22:45,199 Speaker 7: is a big wins. Yeah, I don't think they get in. 461 00:22:45,440 --> 00:22:47,679 Speaker 7: I think their schedule is too tough. I think if 462 00:22:47,680 --> 00:22:49,760 Speaker 7: he was coming back this weekend, I'd give him a shot. 463 00:22:50,760 --> 00:22:52,080 Speaker 1: But yeah, I don't. 464 00:22:52,240 --> 00:22:54,119 Speaker 7: You don't want to force him back. Man, come on, 465 00:22:54,200 --> 00:22:57,159 Speaker 7: this guy's had enough injuries. Play for next year. I 466 00:22:57,200 --> 00:22:58,879 Speaker 7: think they got a lot of tinkering to do with 467 00:22:58,880 --> 00:23:00,359 Speaker 7: that roster. I don't know if I trust the front 468 00:23:00,359 --> 00:23:01,600 Speaker 7: offense with the head coach. 469 00:23:02,200 --> 00:23:02,760 Speaker 1: Oh, I don't. 470 00:23:03,280 --> 00:23:03,960 Speaker 4: Yeah. 471 00:23:04,000 --> 00:23:07,200 Speaker 7: My final story, Colin, Oh boy, this is a big one. 472 00:23:07,240 --> 00:23:10,600 Speaker 7: You love ratings. Well, how about the NBA. We're two 473 00:23:10,720 --> 00:23:11,840 Speaker 7: or three weeks into the season. 474 00:23:12,160 --> 00:23:13,040 Speaker 6: The league is. 475 00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:17,160 Speaker 7: Reporting a ninety two percent increase in viewership year over 476 00:23:17,240 --> 00:23:21,119 Speaker 7: year for nationally televised games. The league adds that national 477 00:23:21,119 --> 00:23:26,480 Speaker 7: games are averaging the most viewers in fifteen years. 478 00:23:26,600 --> 00:23:28,280 Speaker 6: I'm kind of floored by this now. 479 00:23:28,320 --> 00:23:30,000 Speaker 7: Some of it is, you know, you turn you want 480 00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:31,360 Speaker 7: to turn on an NBA game, and you're like, wait, 481 00:23:31,359 --> 00:23:34,000 Speaker 7: where is it? TNT, ESPN, Amazon Prime. There are so 482 00:23:34,040 --> 00:23:37,760 Speaker 7: many places to find these games, Peacock, I don't know 483 00:23:37,840 --> 00:23:39,800 Speaker 7: your thoughts. Are you watching more NBA? 484 00:23:40,359 --> 00:23:40,560 Speaker 5: You know? 485 00:23:41,840 --> 00:23:47,560 Speaker 1: I My NBA viewership really starts Christmas, Christmas, Okay, I'll 486 00:23:47,720 --> 00:23:49,760 Speaker 1: like I watch a ton of highlights like it when 487 00:23:49,800 --> 00:23:52,439 Speaker 1: I'm in the morning. When I get up, I do 488 00:23:52,480 --> 00:23:54,640 Speaker 1: about three about forty five minutes of reading and then 489 00:23:54,640 --> 00:23:58,240 Speaker 1: I all go to YouTube's and watch highlights. That's a 490 00:23:58,280 --> 00:24:00,879 Speaker 1: lot of what I do. Early in season. I'll watch, 491 00:24:01,040 --> 00:24:03,760 Speaker 1: you know, if if there's something on TV in a 492 00:24:03,840 --> 00:24:06,520 Speaker 1: late afternoon now that I'm in the Central time zone. 493 00:24:07,080 --> 00:24:10,600 Speaker 1: But I also think early in the NBA season, nobody 494 00:24:10,640 --> 00:24:13,000 Speaker 1: plays defense. Look at the field goal percentages by some 495 00:24:13,040 --> 00:24:15,840 Speaker 1: of these players. Nobody was just so good well that 496 00:24:15,960 --> 00:24:20,199 Speaker 1: nobody plays They played defense after the trade deadline, you know, 497 00:24:20,320 --> 00:24:24,879 Speaker 1: then the game gets officiated differently late season playoffs. But 498 00:24:25,320 --> 00:24:28,480 Speaker 1: right now it's a well ymca ball, a lot of 499 00:24:28,520 --> 00:24:29,119 Speaker 1: open jumper. 500 00:24:29,280 --> 00:24:32,000 Speaker 7: It's interesting because OKC is the best team in the 501 00:24:32,040 --> 00:24:36,040 Speaker 7: league by record. I don't find them visually appealing. Obviously 502 00:24:36,080 --> 00:24:37,639 Speaker 7: they're very good. But I got a buddy who's like 503 00:24:37,720 --> 00:24:41,200 Speaker 7: every day sending me this stuff about Shake Gildes. Alexander 504 00:24:41,480 --> 00:24:44,160 Speaker 7: just went eighty two games and scored over twenty points 505 00:24:44,160 --> 00:24:46,520 Speaker 7: in each of them. You know, and people are really 506 00:24:46,560 --> 00:24:50,000 Speaker 7: excited about OKAC. Are they appointment viewing for you? 507 00:24:50,240 --> 00:24:51,359 Speaker 6: Yet No. 508 00:24:51,400 --> 00:24:54,320 Speaker 1: I mean I again, I think you know, I watched 509 00:24:54,359 --> 00:24:58,399 Speaker 1: them a ton last year. I think Wemby probably helps 510 00:24:59,280 --> 00:25:03,119 Speaker 1: when it's in. I don't have an answer why the 511 00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:05,280 Speaker 1: ratings are up ninety two percent. Is it because they're 512 00:25:05,320 --> 00:25:08,560 Speaker 1: on more network television instead of just cable? And my 513 00:25:08,880 --> 00:25:13,359 Speaker 1: guess is I'm guessing here that now they're on NBC network, 514 00:25:13,640 --> 00:25:17,200 Speaker 1: not just ESPN cable, and that's the ratings growth. It's 515 00:25:17,240 --> 00:25:20,920 Speaker 1: not that the country is suddenly fascinated with Oka. See 516 00:25:21,040 --> 00:25:22,000 Speaker 1: that would be my guess. 517 00:25:22,040 --> 00:25:23,000 Speaker 6: No, Yeah, it could be. 518 00:25:23,160 --> 00:25:25,119 Speaker 7: Listen, there's a lot of other stuff going on in 519 00:25:25,119 --> 00:25:27,359 Speaker 7: this country and people are looking for an escape from that, 520 00:25:27,920 --> 00:25:30,639 Speaker 7: and you know, they're like, hey, where's basketball? I need 521 00:25:30,680 --> 00:25:33,320 Speaker 7: to see anything except you know what I'm talking about. 522 00:25:34,320 --> 00:25:34,600 Speaker 4: I don't know. 523 00:25:35,040 --> 00:25:36,920 Speaker 6: Ninety two percent is a significant number. 524 00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:41,720 Speaker 1: I think that. I think that's got to be NBC's editions. Yeah, 525 00:25:41,720 --> 00:25:43,800 Speaker 1: I mean, you got more network TV games and less 526 00:25:43,840 --> 00:25:48,560 Speaker 1: cable that ninety two percent. Think about this, if baseball 527 00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:51,760 Speaker 1: rose ninety two percent, Baseball put in a pitch claw 528 00:25:52,040 --> 00:25:54,680 Speaker 1: and they went up nine to ten percent, and that's 529 00:25:54,840 --> 00:25:59,200 Speaker 1: growth in a year. Ninety two percent is not just players. 530 00:25:59,520 --> 00:26:02,760 Speaker 1: If any goes up ninety two percent. It's a platform issue. 531 00:26:03,119 --> 00:26:05,440 Speaker 1: It's a win of the broadcasts on the air. It's 532 00:26:05,480 --> 00:26:11,920 Speaker 1: not player related. It's like an out an outlier is WNBA. Yeah, 533 00:26:12,040 --> 00:26:16,919 Speaker 1: Caitlin Clark was generationally fascinating Tiger Woods with golf up 534 00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:21,440 Speaker 1: ninety two. Wendy No, I don't think he's Tiger Caitlin. 535 00:26:21,760 --> 00:26:24,200 Speaker 1: I don't think that's the draw. I don't. 536 00:26:24,440 --> 00:26:28,680 Speaker 7: Hey, do you see Wenby last night against uh threes 537 00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:34,320 Speaker 7: Chicago Bull thirty eight points eighteen boards, six of nine. 538 00:26:34,119 --> 00:26:36,560 Speaker 1: From deep Would you do? Yahould you do some digging 539 00:26:36,600 --> 00:26:39,920 Speaker 1: on this? I bet it's NBC airing more games. I'm 540 00:26:39,960 --> 00:26:43,359 Speaker 1: on the case, all right, Detective Jmack with the news. 541 00:26:44,160 --> 00:26:47,080 Speaker 2: Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by The 542 00:26:47,160 --> 00:26:48,320 Speaker 2: Herd Line. 543 00:26:48,119 --> 00:26:51,639 Speaker 1: News greg Olsen, Nick Wright heard hierarchy good stuff today 544 00:26:51,640 --> 00:26:52,480 Speaker 1: live in Chicago. 545 00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:58,600 Speaker 2: Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays 546 00:26:58,600 --> 00:27:00,400 Speaker 2: and noon Easter nine am us. 547 00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:05,679 Speaker 7: Back Fox Sports proudly salutes our nation's veterans. That is 548 00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:08,880 Speaker 7: why we are making Camo our Cause this Veteran's Day 549 00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:13,000 Speaker 7: in support of the Honor US Vets campaign. To donate 550 00:27:13,080 --> 00:27:16,920 Speaker 7: and learn how you can help end veteran homelessness, visit 551 00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:21,000 Speaker 7: go dot Fox slash us Vets. 552 00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:22,000 Speaker 4: Yeah. 553 00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:24,640 Speaker 1: I didn't have the Bills in my top ten herd 554 00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:27,080 Speaker 1: hierarchy because I just don't know what they are outside 555 00:27:27,119 --> 00:27:32,320 Speaker 1: of having a really really good quarterback. You know, we 556 00:27:32,440 --> 00:27:35,399 Speaker 1: tend to think that you just fire bad coaches. I 557 00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:38,040 Speaker 1: think Brian Dable is a good coach I can remember. 558 00:27:38,560 --> 00:27:42,000 Speaker 1: I've always said Sean McDermott in Buffalo reminds me of 559 00:27:42,119 --> 00:27:45,760 Speaker 1: Chuck Knox. Now Ram fans will remember him. Seahawk fans 560 00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:49,399 Speaker 1: will remember him. He couldn't win in the postseason, but 561 00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:54,160 Speaker 1: he always stabilized the organization. He was a winning coach, toughness, 562 00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:59,120 Speaker 1: run game, Chuck Knox. I think Marty Schottenheimer, the late 563 00:27:59,160 --> 00:28:04,520 Speaker 1: Marty Schottenheimer criticized, like Chuck Knox, not great in the postseason, 564 00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:08,480 Speaker 1: but would stabilize, add toughness to your organization. So Chuck 565 00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:12,440 Speaker 1: Knox and Marty Schottenneimer excellent coaches, but weren't as good 566 00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:15,879 Speaker 1: in the postseason. They were a little restrictive, little regressive, 567 00:28:16,280 --> 00:28:21,960 Speaker 1: not very creative guys that Sean McDermott and so Nick 568 00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:24,920 Speaker 1: Wright talked about this earlier. With Brian Dabele being fired 569 00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:28,879 Speaker 1: Dabel is more creative. Is it just time like a 570 00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:31,240 Speaker 1: Schottenheimer or a Chuck Knox that you can like him 571 00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:34,439 Speaker 1: and respect him? And McDermott would get a head coaching 572 00:28:34,520 --> 00:28:38,360 Speaker 1: job in a New York minute, But maybe in Buffalo 573 00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:40,680 Speaker 1: it's time to experiment with a new coach. 574 00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:45,640 Speaker 8: Brian Dabel maybe got a little unlucky on certain spots 575 00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:49,160 Speaker 8: his record. He deserved to be fired. But can I 576 00:28:49,280 --> 00:28:52,760 Speaker 8: paint a scenario for you? Because who loves Brian Dabele, 577 00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:57,480 Speaker 8: Josh Allen? Who's some people feel like, you know, missus 578 00:28:57,480 --> 00:29:00,640 Speaker 8: Brian Dabele, Josh Allen, they have. 579 00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:02,080 Speaker 4: To move off McDermott. 580 00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:06,440 Speaker 8: Is it crazy the idea that Josh Allen might say, hey, 581 00:29:07,360 --> 00:29:09,800 Speaker 8: let Brian Dable be my head coach here. 582 00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:13,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not crazy at all. And you know it's 583 00:29:13,840 --> 00:29:18,200 Speaker 1: just their Andy Reid got fired and was good. It 584 00:29:18,280 --> 00:29:24,080 Speaker 1: wasn't like things had gone overboard. So I think sometimes 585 00:29:24,080 --> 00:29:26,320 Speaker 1: a new voice. Ian O'Connor is a great writer. He 586 00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:29,320 Speaker 1: suggested the Giants should hire Mike Tomlin, who's never had 587 00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:32,480 Speaker 1: a losing second season in Pittsburgh. But the defense is old, 588 00:29:32,600 --> 00:29:35,960 Speaker 1: it's expensive, they don't have a quarterback, and I would argue, Well, 589 00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:39,160 Speaker 1: New York's got their quarterback and they've got their left tackle, 590 00:29:39,720 --> 00:29:43,080 Speaker 1: and what they need is a head coach that brings, 591 00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:48,520 Speaker 1: you know, some legitimacy, not another coordinator. So Mike Kafka 592 00:29:49,280 --> 00:29:51,840 Speaker 1: played in the league for six years, smart guy from Northwestern. 593 00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:55,800 Speaker 1: Does he have the presence to go up against the 594 00:29:55,840 --> 00:29:58,920 Speaker 1: top coaches in the league. I said this earlier to 595 00:29:59,040 --> 00:30:02,480 Speaker 1: j Mac, and I'll stand by this point. If you're 596 00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:06,680 Speaker 1: Mike Tomlin and you have Aaron Rodgers and you want 597 00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:08,960 Speaker 1: to win super Bowls, you're Mike Tomlin. That's your standard. 598 00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:12,840 Speaker 1: You have to get through Mahomes, who's got a great coach, 599 00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:22,000 Speaker 1: Josh Allen, Herbert Lamar, Joe Burrow, pretty good group in 600 00:30:22,040 --> 00:30:25,520 Speaker 1: the NFC. Mike Tomlin goes to the Giants. I have 601 00:30:25,560 --> 00:30:29,600 Speaker 1: to go through Jared Goff, Jalen Hurts, Dak Prescott, Stafford's 602 00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:33,120 Speaker 1: not going to be around much longer, Baker Mayfield. I mean, 603 00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:37,240 Speaker 1: you start looking around to win super Bowls, you have 604 00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:40,760 Speaker 1: to get to them. It's much harder to get to 605 00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:43,560 Speaker 1: a super Bowl in the AFC. That doesn't mean the 606 00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:45,840 Speaker 1: best team. I mean the two best teams in the 607 00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:48,360 Speaker 1: league today could be the Rams, and the Seahawks. But 608 00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:51,720 Speaker 1: Stafford's not playing much longer. He's thirty seven, I think. 609 00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:55,600 Speaker 1: And then you know, I would rather face Darnold as 610 00:30:55,640 --> 00:30:57,840 Speaker 1: much as I love him, than Alan Mahomes or Lamar. 611 00:30:58,600 --> 00:31:02,120 Speaker 1: So you know, I see Mike Tomlin sitting down with 612 00:31:02,120 --> 00:31:04,920 Speaker 1: his agents and be like, well, I don't have a 613 00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:08,360 Speaker 1: quarterback for the future. The defense is old and expensive. 614 00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:11,400 Speaker 1: You know you can't. I guess trade TJ. Watt. He's 615 00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:15,160 Speaker 1: so beloved. Everybody in Pittsburgh's got his jersey. That's why 616 00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:16,960 Speaker 1: people move. I mean, I've moved three or four times 617 00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:18,600 Speaker 1: in my career. That's the kind of stuff you think about, 618 00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:21,120 Speaker 1: like what's my future? Who's my go to? I mean, 619 00:31:21,240 --> 00:31:24,960 Speaker 1: is this place ascending? Is this place dying? You're asking yourself. 620 00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:28,080 Speaker 1: Anytime anybody that listens to this show you ever moved, 621 00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:29,880 Speaker 1: You get out the yellow pad and you start writing 622 00:31:29,920 --> 00:31:32,160 Speaker 1: things down. It is easier to get the Super Bowls 623 00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:36,400 Speaker 1: in the NFC. I think there are more good teams 624 00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:40,120 Speaker 1: in the NFC. There's far more elite, all time great 625 00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:43,960 Speaker 1: quarterbacks in the AFC, and they're all in their prime. 626 00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:50,480 Speaker 1: Josh Allen Prime, Mahomes Prime, Herbert Prime, Lamar Prime, they're 627 00:31:50,520 --> 00:31:54,640 Speaker 1: all in their prime. Stafford's not goff. You don't fear 628 00:31:54,680 --> 00:31:59,920 Speaker 1: always very good. I can see it. I mean again, 629 00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:02,760 Speaker 1: a lot of the quarterbacks in the NFC, like Caleb Williams, 630 00:32:02,800 --> 00:32:04,800 Speaker 1: You're like, boy, he could be something. He's not there yet. 631 00:32:05,640 --> 00:32:08,080 Speaker 1: So I could see that Ian O'Connor column today. I 632 00:32:08,080 --> 00:32:10,440 Speaker 1: could see Mike Tomlin at the end of the season 633 00:32:10,520 --> 00:32:12,600 Speaker 1: they go nine and eight. You know, it's the Steelers. 634 00:32:12,600 --> 00:32:15,880 Speaker 1: Their gps always get them to five hundred or above. 635 00:32:16,320 --> 00:32:18,480 Speaker 1: But I could, you know, I could see nine and 636 00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:21,320 Speaker 1: eight probably where they finish. You look at their schedule, 637 00:32:21,360 --> 00:32:24,479 Speaker 1: don't have to face Burrow, I guess. So you know 638 00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:27,200 Speaker 1: it's certainly don't you think Jay mamckott certainly. 639 00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:30,840 Speaker 7: Worth It's not bad. Again, I mentioned this yesterday, Colin. 640 00:32:31,280 --> 00:32:34,640 Speaker 7: So are we sure the Giants job is better than 641 00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:38,520 Speaker 7: the Tennessee Titans job cam Ward versus Jackson Dart and 642 00:32:38,800 --> 00:32:42,800 Speaker 7: unequivocally the worst division in football probably the last five 643 00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:46,120 Speaker 7: years running. I just don't know that it's a slam 644 00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:48,080 Speaker 7: dunk that the Giants is a great job. The Eagles 645 00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:51,040 Speaker 7: are the best run team in the NFC. Jalen Hurts, 646 00:32:51,080 --> 00:32:53,160 Speaker 7: as you said, in his prime I don't know. You 647 00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:55,240 Speaker 7: seem to think Dallas is kind of sort of close 648 00:32:55,280 --> 00:32:58,360 Speaker 7: to something. And Jaden Daniels, I know he's hurt now 649 00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:01,000 Speaker 7: he's a stud. I don't know that the Giants job 650 00:33:01,040 --> 00:33:03,600 Speaker 7: is great. Yes, I'm a Jets fan, I'm a Giants hater. 651 00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:07,440 Speaker 6: I just don't know. There's too many question marks. 652 00:33:07,560 --> 00:33:10,360 Speaker 1: Well, a job is as great as your quarterback and coach. 653 00:33:10,560 --> 00:33:12,320 Speaker 1: I mean, your job is as great as your quarterback. 654 00:33:12,440 --> 00:33:16,000 Speaker 1: The Chargers was a good job. That's why Harbaugh took it. 655 00:33:16,040 --> 00:33:19,080 Speaker 7: Okay, in the division, Jalen Hurts, Jayden Daniels, Jackson, Dark, 656 00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:19,840 Speaker 7: Dak Prescott. 657 00:33:19,920 --> 00:33:21,800 Speaker 6: Who's the fourth best quarterback in that division? 658 00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:29,960 Speaker 1: I'd have to say who, Well, I think Dak's probably 659 00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:36,720 Speaker 1: the best, and then I'll just stop right there.