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Speaker 1: Hey guys, our normally friends. Welcome back to normally the.

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Speaker 2: Show with normalish takes for when the news gets weird.

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Speaker 2: I am Mary Katherine Ham.

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Speaker 3: I'm Carol Marcowitz.

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Speaker 4: Hi Mary Catherine. How's it going.

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Speaker 1: It's pretty good.

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Speaker 2: I just did that thing that you, as a mom

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Speaker 2: will recognize, which is that I finally had lunch with

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Speaker 2: my friend who I had said I should have lunch

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Speaker 2: with for a very long time.

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Speaker 3: I didn't know anybody actually did that. I know we

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Speaker 3: talk about doing it, but that's impressive.

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Speaker 1: Wow.

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Speaker 2: I know none of our kids were sick. We managed

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Speaker 2: to make it out of the house at the same

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Speaker 2: time and voila huge lunch.

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Speaker 3: Wow. I feel like you should write it up to

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Speaker 3: let the rest of us know how it's done.

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Speaker 1: I'll just do a substack on that. How do you

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Speaker 1: have lunch with your friend?

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Speaker 4: I feel like it would go viral?

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Speaker 2: Actually, so maybe I should Okay tips for me on that.

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Speaker 1: I'll get on it.

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Speaker 4: I love it.

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Speaker 2: Well.

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Speaker 3: The big news in the media world is that MSNBC

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Speaker 3: has fired Joy Reid and actually conservative media as hard

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Speaker 3: as hit, because what are we going to do with

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Speaker 3: that Joy Reid to mock.

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Speaker 1: I know it is tough.

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Speaker 2: There will be so so many fewer clips for us.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, already, yeah, Mattl's already in there to fill

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Speaker 2: the gap though, because she with her twenty five million

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Speaker 2: dollar salary for doing several shows a week, was like,

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Speaker 2: you know, this is very disappointing. We shouldn't leave her,

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Speaker 2: we shouldn't let her walk out the door. I find

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Speaker 2: it unjustifiable. And then she alluded to it being racism

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Speaker 2: because she said she's one of the few hosts of

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Speaker 2: color missing entirely. The network is replacing her with two

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Speaker 2: African American hosts and a Hispanic woman.

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Speaker 3: Right, But if you point that out, then you're saying

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Speaker 3: that they're interchangeable.

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Speaker 4: So there's no there's no way to win this.

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Speaker 2: Calvin ball with the left. It's by the way, Michael Steele,

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Speaker 2: former head of the r n C, Simone Sanders, a

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Speaker 2: former Bernie Sanders spokeswoman, and Alicia Mennindez.

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Speaker 1: Right, that's cool.

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Speaker 3: Well, and then MSNBC is restructuring in general. It's not

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Speaker 3: just about joy. They also acted weekend shows hosted by

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Speaker 3: Amen Moe Yieldin, Jonathan kpe Haart, Katie Fang, and Jose

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Speaker 3: Diaz Blart and I have to admit I don't know

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Speaker 3: some of those names, and I would think that if

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Speaker 3: you have shows on television, I would know those names.

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Speaker 3: But it goes to the point that MSNBC has really

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Speaker 3: been struggling. Their numbers are down forty one percent twenty

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Speaker 3: twenty four, and Joy specifically had a fifty three percent

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Speaker 3: decline in post election viewership. She was racist and kind

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Speaker 3: of crazy, and for some reason, that's not selling anymore.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm look, I think a lot of people who

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Speaker 2: are on the losing end of this election want to

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Speaker 2: sort of cocoon. They want to not be on the

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Speaker 2: outrage roller coaster with Mattout and Joy Reid, and so

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Speaker 2: they are not tuning in. I also, I think there

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Speaker 2: might just be fewer of them who have an appetite

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Speaker 2: for that at this point. At this point, Republicans are

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Speaker 2: outnumbering self identified Democrats in this country, and more Democrats

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Speaker 2: watch Fox News then watch MSNBC and c in it

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Speaker 2: like the fashion is crazy.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's crazy. Every time I say it, I have

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Speaker 1: to check it because I'm like, is that right?

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Speaker 4: Is it still true? Yeah?

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Speaker 2: But I think they just came out with new numbers

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Speaker 2: recently that showed that certainly in the demo, which is

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Speaker 2: why smart Democrats go to Fox News to like talk

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Speaker 2: to those people.

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Speaker 4: Right, makes sense.

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Speaker 1: Because you got to.

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Speaker 2: I think we have a little montage of some of

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Speaker 2: Joy's best work, shall we hear ye?

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Speaker 5: Take a deep breath for just a moment and ponder,

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Speaker 5: big balls.

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Speaker 1: Can just be clear.

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Speaker 6: I got into Harvard only because of a fermative action.

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Speaker 1: It was, to put it.

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Speaker 6: Mildly, a celebration of the very thing the American right

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Speaker 6: has turned into its latest anti wokeness boogeyman, diversity, equity,

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Speaker 6: and inclusion. To any of you guys, I trust Uncle

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Speaker 6: Clarence and Amy Coney Barrett. In America and only in America,

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Speaker 6: you are literally rolling the dice every time you leave

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Speaker 6: your house. They are radicalizing those people, particularly when they're

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Speaker 6: radicalizing young people. That's how we talk about the way

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Speaker 6: is that any different.

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Speaker 4: Congress needs to get it done.

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Speaker 1: Got in another fucking war. I stopped using Twitter quite

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Speaker 1: a long time ago.

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Speaker 5: I don't tweet.

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Speaker 1: I don't want to give elon any content, but every

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Speaker 1: so often I.

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Speaker 6: Would check it just as an aggregate.

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Speaker 4: This is a.

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Speaker 2: Mess and not even a normal mess.

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Speaker 5: It's a fascistic mess. I have to say I did

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Speaker 5: not go out on July fourth and would not. The

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Speaker 5: idea of going to a mass gathering, a parade or

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Speaker 4: Yeah, craziness, We're the crazy ones.

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Speaker 2: She wore a purple MSNBC branded tracksuit on her last night, which,

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Speaker 2: like pois for creativity. Also odd to don the corporate

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Speaker 3: She always a crying video after the fact, talking about

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Speaker 3: all the issues that she thinks got her fired, which

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Speaker 3: I don't think it was the issues that I don't

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Speaker 3: think that it's because leftism exists. It's because she was

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Speaker 3: unable to be a good messenger for those issues. And again,

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Speaker 2: To well, And I will never forget that in twenty eighteen,

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Speaker 2: this is a vintage scandal. I love that someone uncovered

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Speaker 2: her two thousand and seven to two thousand and nine blogging.

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Speaker 2: It wasn't that hard to uncover. I mean, she put

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Speaker 2: it in public on something called the Read Report, so

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Speaker 2: It wasn't like it was under a mysterious name or anything.

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Speaker 2: But she at that time made some posts that were

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Speaker 2: homophobic about Charlie christ, the then Florida governor. She made

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Speaker 2: As you know, we see a pattern here. When this

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Speaker 1: Of said it was a hacked.

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Speaker 2: She was hacked somehow. That person had gone back to

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Speaker 2: two thousand and seven to two thousand and nine. I

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Speaker 2: was just saying, hackers, just say like I had. I

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Speaker 2: different now. I mean, no, among she said she was

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Speaker 4: They're still working on it. I think around the clock.

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Speaker 2: Cash is actually in charge of that investigation now. So

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Speaker 2: so that was sort of in twenty eighteen. I was like,

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Speaker 2: so this is just a These are the news people

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Speaker 2: I'm supposed to trust. Is the people who outright lie

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Speaker 2: to my face when they're caught in the same exact

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Speaker 2: stuff that they try to fish out about normal, regular

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Speaker 3: Yep, those people do get fired and they do lose

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Speaker 3: opportunities enjoy just got to go on and pretend it

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Speaker 3: to the bottom of some at some point. You're absolutely right.

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Speaker 3: That was a telling moment where it was like they

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Speaker 3: could do things that we cannot.

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Speaker 1: Yes in light of that.

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Speaker 2: By the way, this might make a decent segue to

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Speaker 2: our second part of our press segment, which is that

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Speaker 2: the White House is We've talked about them going after

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Speaker 2: the AP and saying, you know, you can't have your

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Speaker 1: Although I think.

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Speaker 2: This is petty, I also think it does potentially have

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Speaker 2: First Amendment implications because the name they're using is speech

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Speaker 2: and this is a government ento team making these rules. However,

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Speaker 2: a judge who the AP asked for immediate relief on this,

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Speaker 2: Judge Trevor McFadden, did not grant it. I'm a little

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Speaker 2: bit surprised by that. He says he didn't find he

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Speaker 2: but he said that case laws seemed to be against it.

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Speaker 2: that just because this is from the White House or

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Speaker 2: received special media access to the president, does not mean

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Speaker 2: that such access is constitutionally compelled in perpetuity. Again, I

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Speaker 2: who I will nonetheless stick up for.

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Speaker 3: There was also do it for you.

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Speaker 1: No, they definitely wouldn't.

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Speaker 2: Ye. Another development in this area is that and this

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Speaker 2: But Caroline Levitt from the podium said today or made

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Speaker 2: some reference to the fact that the White House Correspondents Association,

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Speaker 2: which generally creates the pool that goes to events, that

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Speaker 3: Why was there a separate organization deciding which media outlets

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Speaker 3: get access to the president.

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Speaker 1: Well, so I don't think they'll get to decide.

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Speaker 2: I think the White House Correspondence associations still would have

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Speaker 2: what to say to get favor with the White House

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Speaker 2: to get access to these events. Now, there is a

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Speaker 2: version of this that happens all the time in Washington

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Speaker 2: with the Biden administration. Say what they want and you

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Speaker 2: get access to their officials. This is access journalism. Happens

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Speaker 2: all the time as usual. The Trump administration is making

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Speaker 2: this much more explicit. And I don't like this one either,

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Speaker 2: But again, nobody's going to stick up for these rights.

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Speaker 3: Cool, right, what was the last four years about? What

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Speaker 3: was Biden's little Oh it's on which orders to call on?

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Speaker 3: And they already knew what he was going to be

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Speaker 4: It's going to.

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Speaker 3: Be very hard for them to say, oh no, now

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Speaker 3: we have to have kind of a range of voices

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Speaker 3: here what he buys it anymore.

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Speaker 1: Again, the public doesn't care.

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Speaker 2: I think if they can keep that pool actually diverse, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: that's good. I do worry that the messages get in

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Speaker 2: line or else you don't get access. Now, amazingly, a

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Speaker 2: press corps will suddenly find its backbone and not get

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Speaker 2: in line for a Republican administration.

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Speaker 1: By administration like whatever you need, whatever you need, man.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, just call us, just just call on me.

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Speaker 1: Do you need me to read this specific question? Do

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Speaker 1: you do you need me to give you the answer

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'll do quite the same, you know.

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Speaker 4: To fire people. That's how we know him.

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Speaker 2: many hundreds of pages that are keeping people from doing business,

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Speaker 2: from building things. Some studies suggest that the CEQ has

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Speaker 2: found that it's regulations cause projects to be in court

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Speaker 2: for four point five years and require many hundreds of

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Speaker 2: pages of environmental impact statement to just even hit the ground, right,

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Speaker 2: And so it's not just the regulations, it's then the

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Speaker 1: The federal government usually.

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Speaker 2: Wins and like things, they can end up being built.

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Speaker 1: But like, it's.

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Speaker 2: Crazy the amount that we put up with here that

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Speaker 2: people don't know exists. That is part of rising, raising

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Speaker 2: the cost of everything we do, and I think on

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Speaker 2: energy and on general business. These are the executive orders

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Speaker 2: that might actually change the reality on the ground, that

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Speaker 3: So they're not sexy, but they are actually useful.

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Speaker 4: That's nice.

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Speaker 3: I like, that's exactly what I want from the government. Actually,

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Speaker 3: less sexy, more useful.

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Speaker 6: I know.

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Speaker 1: Right, See, this is the thing we shouldn't be distracted.

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Speaker 4: Right, Let's stop focusing on the shiny items. Mary Catherine Oh.

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Speaker 2: And by the way, as usual, you won't be surprised

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Speaker 2: to hear this. This is Reason magazine reporting. If I

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Speaker 2: did not say that, but the government, when it's convenient,

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Speaker 2: we'll just waive all of these regulations, which shows you that, like,

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Speaker 2: maybe they're not as vital as they have suggested to us.

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Speaker 2: The Obama administration fast tracked the NEPA process for more

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Speaker 2: than one hundred and seventy nine thousand stimulus Package projects

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Speaker 2: because they wanted them built.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so environmental regulations out the window.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, let's situational.

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Speaker 3: Right, let's get more of those tossed and.

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Speaker 4: Get to work.

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Speaker 2: I like that.

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Speaker 1: That's one way to cut Thank you for.

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