WEBVTT - 030924 Let’s Talk About White Christian Evangelical Men (Part 2) 0:00:00.120 --> 0:00:02.400 Keep on riding with us as we continue to broadcast 0:00:02.400 --> 0:00:04.800 the balance and defend the discourse from these hip hop 0:00:04.840 --> 0:00:06.960 weekly studios. Welcome back to Civic Cipher. I'm your host, 0:00:07.040 --> 0:00:07.880 Ramsey's job. 0:00:07.920 --> 0:00:10.240 Is Ramsey's job. I am q Ward And if you 0:00:10.280 --> 0:00:15.720 are just tuning in or hopefully you are still tuned 0:00:15.720 --> 0:00:19.479 into CIVI excitement, yeah, welcome, stick around. 0:00:19.560 --> 0:00:23.279 We're still talking about some important stuff today's show. We're 0:00:24.000 --> 0:00:28.000 giving you some examples that give us some insight into 0:00:28.720 --> 0:00:35.319 conservative Christian white men in this country and a lot 0:00:35.360 --> 0:00:39.560 of the thinking that has caused that group to move 0:00:39.960 --> 0:00:42.120 a little bit further to the right, well a lot 0:00:42.159 --> 0:00:46.080 further to the right, and how the implications of their 0:00:46.280 --> 0:00:52.720 new agenda could affect you know, life in this country 0:00:52.840 --> 0:00:55.960 and who holds power, who has a voice, et cetera. 0:00:56.120 --> 0:00:58.000 So a lot to talk about, but before we get there, 0:00:58.080 --> 0:01:01.560 let's discuss ba Ba, becoming a a Baba and today's Baba. 0:01:01.640 --> 0:01:03.560 Sponsored by Friends of the Movement. 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It was a few days after Martin Luther 0:01:41.080 --> 0:01:43.640 King Junior's assassination, and a young teacher in the Los 0:01:43.680 --> 0:01:45.840 Angeles area was motivated to act. 0:01:45.920 --> 0:01:46.919 Quote. I cared deeply. 0:01:46.959 --> 0:01:49.960 It was after the assassination of MLKA and the frustration 0:01:50.080 --> 0:01:53.400 and the anger, said Harriet Glickman during an interview a 0:01:53.400 --> 0:01:56.320 few years ago. On April fifteenth, nineteen sixty eight, Glickman 0:01:56.400 --> 0:01:58.720 wrote a letter to of all people, Charles Schultz, the 0:01:58.760 --> 0:02:01.880 creator of the comic strip Nuts, asking him to include 0:02:01.880 --> 0:02:02.680 a black character. 0:02:03.560 --> 0:02:03.920 Quote. 0:02:03.960 --> 0:02:05.960 She says, I'm writing you because I want to do 0:02:06.000 --> 0:02:09.359 something about the vast sea of misunderstanding, fear, hate, and violence. 0:02:10.400 --> 0:02:12.960 It took some convincing, but two months later Charles Schultz 0:02:13.200 --> 0:02:16.720 wrote back quote dear missus Glickman, You'll be pleased to 0:02:16.760 --> 0:02:18.680 know that I have taken the first step in doing 0:02:18.720 --> 0:02:22.480 something unquote. Even before Franklin debuted, there was a lot 0:02:22.520 --> 0:02:26.360 of pushback the United Future Syndicate, United Feature Syndicate. 0:02:26.400 --> 0:02:26.640 Sorry. 0:02:26.639 --> 0:02:30.800 It was worried that some newspapers would protest. Schultz threatened 0:02:30.840 --> 0:02:35.480 to quit the syndicate and oh sorry, he threatened to quit, 0:02:35.560 --> 0:02:38.320 and the syndicate had to give in. While Franklin debuted 0:02:38.520 --> 0:02:42.320 on the beach, meeting Charles Brown with a beach ball, 0:02:42.400 --> 0:02:47.160 and later on they started the Armstrong Project, which is 0:02:47.240 --> 0:02:50.040 named after Franklin's last name, to promote the development of 0:02:50.040 --> 0:02:54.120 an illustrator's cartooning in the black community because representation was solo. 0:02:54.240 --> 0:02:57.120 So a lot of allies in that story. And I 0:02:57.160 --> 0:02:59.320 love that and I'm glad that I was able to 0:02:59.360 --> 0:03:06.559 share it back to Christian white men have another opportunity 0:03:06.600 --> 0:03:11.239 to say it, so I will say it. Conservative Christian 0:03:11.480 --> 0:03:21.240 white men are our brothers, and we. 0:03:19.919 --> 0:03:20.320 Will not. 0:03:22.200 --> 0:03:32.960 Be a platform that tries to create more divisiveness. That's 0:03:33.000 --> 0:03:36.000 easier said than done, because in order to talk about things, 0:03:36.000 --> 0:03:38.120 we have to kind of tell the truth. But our 0:03:38.120 --> 0:03:46.600 intention is to explain to our listeners what is going on, 0:03:47.360 --> 0:03:53.120 and we use examples that illustrate the practical application of 0:03:53.160 --> 0:03:55.360 the data or the interpretation of the data that we're 0:03:55.400 --> 0:03:59.280 seeing or that is being covered by again journalistic sources 0:04:00.080 --> 0:04:05.000 in the media space, journalistically credible sources in the media space. 0:04:07.280 --> 0:04:09.440 So for the first half of the show, we cited 0:04:09.440 --> 0:04:12.000 a couple of examples of people who are in prominent 0:04:12.040 --> 0:04:15.520 positions or have been given platforms that give you insight 0:04:15.600 --> 0:04:20.800 into kind of how that old school thinking, almost like 0:04:20.920 --> 0:04:27.240 eighteen seventeen hundred style of thinking has become more prominent 0:04:27.240 --> 0:04:29.200 and is becoming increasingly more prominent. 0:04:29.279 --> 0:04:32.279 You also don't have to draw back that far for examples. Yeah, 0:04:32.320 --> 0:04:36.359 that's fairly. That's a very good job of expressing that 0:04:36.440 --> 0:04:40.080 way of thought and trying to live out the ideology 0:04:40.080 --> 0:04:41.640 of those times. I'm glad you said that. 0:04:42.560 --> 0:04:45.240 But this next example, I think does take us back 0:04:45.279 --> 0:04:49.440 to the eighteen hundred seventeen hundreds. So I'm going to 0:04:49.480 --> 0:04:51.599 share forgive me, I'm going to do a lot of reading, 0:04:51.640 --> 0:04:53.800 and then we're going to go back and break it 0:04:53.839 --> 0:04:57.800 down for you. But I think that this gives you 0:04:58.800 --> 0:05:05.560 a lot more insight into just how far this cancerous 0:05:05.720 --> 0:05:09.920 type of thinking can go and how many different areas 0:05:09.960 --> 0:05:12.599 of society and how many different types of people it 0:05:12.640 --> 0:05:18.279 can affect. And this minister certainly leaned into this way 0:05:18.320 --> 0:05:18.800 of thinking. 0:05:18.880 --> 0:05:20.839 And we also have another piece of video for you 0:05:20.880 --> 0:05:21.440 guys as well. 0:05:21.520 --> 0:05:24.960 Sure sure, actually, you know what, before we get into 0:05:24.960 --> 0:05:27.440 this reading, let's let's play that video. So this video 0:05:27.520 --> 0:05:31.520 comes from Adam Mockler, who's an interviewer on Instagram, and 0:05:31.560 --> 0:05:35.440 he's interviewed in the In the clip, he's interviewing some 0:05:35.440 --> 0:05:38.280 some Trump supporters. These are white men, and they let 0:05:38.320 --> 0:05:43.119 it be known exactly how they feel. And this isn't 0:05:43.240 --> 0:05:45.200 just something that we found in cherry picked. This is 0:05:45.240 --> 0:05:48.440 a bona fide viral video. This is not on the margins. 0:05:48.520 --> 0:05:51.600 Yeah, this is and this is this is really even 0:05:51.600 --> 0:05:53.760 considered this extreme right, This is this is. 0:05:53.760 --> 0:05:59.480 Almost exactly what a lot of these. 0:06:01.960 --> 0:06:04.480 What do I call them? 0:06:04.600 --> 0:06:09.839 It's kind of like political satire or like comedians that 0:06:10.440 --> 0:06:10.760 it was. 0:06:10.720 --> 0:06:13.119 Just satire, right, right, But there's a lot of people 0:06:13.120 --> 0:06:16.520 who do political satire and they do political jokes. 0:06:16.600 --> 0:06:19.159 Oh yeah, the commentary, and they go out on high light, yeah, 0:06:19.240 --> 0:06:21.160 to highlight the hypocrisy exactly. 0:06:21.240 --> 0:06:23.560 Okay, So he's one of these people that does this, 0:06:23.720 --> 0:06:27.200 and this video of his is particularly viral. 0:06:27.279 --> 0:06:29.240 And so though we meant the positions of those being 0:06:29.279 --> 0:06:32.640 interviewed being satire, No, no, no, those real people. Rather that 0:06:32.800 --> 0:06:34.520 be the case, I wish, but no, they're real people. 0:06:34.520 --> 0:06:35.400 So let's play the video. 0:06:35.279 --> 0:06:39.159 First, Yeah, or dash majorities of people, including women. The 0:06:39.200 --> 0:06:41.000 women didn't receive the rights of it until the nineteenth 0:06:41.000 --> 0:06:41.599 Amendment nine and. 0:06:41.600 --> 0:06:43.400 We fixed that. I don't think that was a good thing. 0:06:43.480 --> 0:06:45.479 You don't think so. I don't think it was a 0:06:45.480 --> 0:06:47.119 good thing. I believe the nineteenth Amendment. 0:06:47.240 --> 0:06:51.840 Yeah, every woman, every person, women, men, black, white, whatever, 0:06:52.160 --> 0:06:55.440 has equal dignity under the law and before God. That 0:06:55.480 --> 0:06:57.880 doesn't mean they have the same roles and should have 0:06:57.880 --> 0:06:59.280 the same influence in the society. 0:06:59.320 --> 0:07:01.039 Who should have it's in our society? 0:07:01.520 --> 0:07:05.760 Christian leaders, why Christian interest? Christian chose that he wants 0:07:05.760 --> 0:07:07.360 to be a day one dictator. Would you be okay 0:07:07.400 --> 0:07:09.400 with him extending that throughout the rest of his presidency? 0:07:09.800 --> 0:07:11.480 No, I don't think so. It's that you hate a 0:07:11.520 --> 0:07:12.200 democracy though. 0:07:12.400 --> 0:07:14.960 Yeah, we're a constitutional republic. 0:07:14.960 --> 0:07:18.280 We're a democratic republic. No we're not. You don't think so. 0:07:18.480 --> 0:07:21.560 No, we're a constitutional republic. These two things aren't mutually exclusive. 0:07:21.560 --> 0:07:24.360 If you have mechanisms that allow people to vote representatives 0:07:24.360 --> 0:07:27.240 and those representatives vote for you, that is a representative democracy, 0:07:27.320 --> 0:07:30.960 right yeah, sure, But it's also a constitutional republic, not 0:07:31.040 --> 0:07:31.760 mutually exclusive. 0:07:31.840 --> 0:07:33.680 This so we have two senators for each state. 0:07:33.720 --> 0:07:36.440 Well, those representatives are elected by the people, by us. 0:07:36.440 --> 0:07:39.160 We go out and we vote every November seventh or whatever, 0:07:39.240 --> 0:07:40.200 and we elect these people. 0:07:43.160 --> 0:07:44.000 Okay, So. 0:07:46.080 --> 0:07:48.240 First thing I want you to know is that you know, 0:07:48.280 --> 0:07:51.680 you can't see the gentleman in the video, but he's 0:07:51.920 --> 0:07:59.280 probably early to mid twenties visibly. So for people that 0:07:59.400 --> 0:08:03.680 feel like, oh oh, this old conservative Christian white men 0:08:03.840 --> 0:08:06.120 sort of thing as an old guy problem, it is not. 0:08:07.200 --> 0:08:11.240 It has not been since at least twenty sixteen. I 0:08:11.280 --> 0:08:13.520 would go back as far as two thousand and eight 0:08:13.560 --> 0:08:17.480 when Obama was elected that it really started to take root, 0:08:18.160 --> 0:08:20.600 because again, there's been a lot of fear that these 0:08:20.640 --> 0:08:22.920 people are going to lose power, and then who will 0:08:22.960 --> 0:08:26.760 they be? How does everyone feel about us? We've done 0:08:26.800 --> 0:08:29.440 all this harm. We've taken land from these people, we've 0:08:29.480 --> 0:08:32.959 taken lives from these people. If we're no longer in power, 0:08:33.320 --> 0:08:35.880 people might retality. These are real fears that these people 0:08:35.880 --> 0:08:37.920 live with, and so they hold on to this power 0:08:38.040 --> 0:08:41.319 as much as they can get. And a gentleman like that, 0:08:41.920 --> 0:08:45.319 who in two thousand and eight was probably I don't know, 0:08:45.520 --> 0:08:47.199 I can't do the math, but he was a child, 0:08:47.200 --> 0:08:54.360 I'm sure, has grown up in a world where that 0:08:54.480 --> 0:08:58.319 fear has taken center stage and it is particularly pronounced 0:08:58.800 --> 0:09:07.679 among again those white Christian men heterosexual women. So there's 0:09:07.760 --> 0:09:11.120 one example of a young man who and how he feels. 0:09:11.400 --> 0:09:14.440 Right now, we're going to go to another example. This 0:09:14.480 --> 0:09:16.880 is a much older man because obviously they're on the 0:09:17.400 --> 0:09:20.560 menu too when it comes to this. So I'm going 0:09:20.640 --> 0:09:25.560 to share a bit from your web. But a prominent 0:09:25.600 --> 0:09:29.440 megachurch pastor has asserted that Reverend Martin Luther King Junior 0:09:29.679 --> 0:09:34.800 was quote not a Christian at all. Jacob MacArthur, an 0:09:34.880 --> 0:09:38.600 eighty five year old white male pastor of Grace Community 0:09:38.679 --> 0:09:43.160 Church in Sun Valley, California, made the claim during a 0:09:43.200 --> 0:09:47.320 sermon last month. LGBTQ Nation reports. In his remarks, he 0:09:47.360 --> 0:09:50.440 criticized a group of evangelical pastors known as Together for 0:09:50.520 --> 0:09:54.559 the Gospel tf org for honoring King several years ago. 0:09:55.000 --> 0:10:00.720 Right wing Watch reported quote, teforg bought into the receptiveness 0:10:00.880 --> 0:10:03.280 of the woke movement and the racial baiting that was 0:10:03.320 --> 0:10:05.800 going on a couple of years ago, and it literally 0:10:05.840 --> 0:10:09.160 put them out of existence. MacArthur said, goes on to 0:10:09.200 --> 0:10:11.600 say the strange irony was a year later they did 0:10:11.640 --> 0:10:13.960 the same thing for Martin Luther King, who was not 0:10:14.000 --> 0:10:17.880 a Christian at all, whose life was immoral. He goes 0:10:17.920 --> 0:10:20.680 on to say, I'm not saying King didn't do some 0:10:20.880 --> 0:10:25.600 social good, and I've always been glad he was a pacifist, 0:10:26.240 --> 0:10:28.599 or he could have started a real revolution. 0:10:29.840 --> 0:10:32.079 What a slap in the face there, anyway, if only 0:10:32.160 --> 0:10:36.400 he had started a real revolution, right, he's still talking. 0:10:36.440 --> 0:10:39.360 So, but you don't honor a non believer who misrepresents 0:10:39.400 --> 0:10:41.080 Christ in everything about the Gospel. 0:10:41.120 --> 0:10:41.440 Okay. 0:10:42.960 --> 0:10:44.480 I want to make sure that we're calling him by 0:10:44.840 --> 0:10:49.240 his full name, Reverend doctor Martin Luther King, Junior. And 0:10:49.720 --> 0:10:51.400 I want to make sure that people know that his 0:10:52.160 --> 0:10:58.960 doctorate was in theology. So bear that in mind as 0:10:58.960 --> 0:11:04.480 I continue to read per LGBTQ Nation. MacArthur previously said, quote, 0:11:04.520 --> 0:11:08.240 the Bible is abundantly clear slavery is the heart of 0:11:08.240 --> 0:11:11.520 what it means to be a true Christian, and Christianity 0:11:11.600 --> 0:11:16.200 does not free slaves. Christianity does not give equal social rights. 0:11:16.679 --> 0:11:20.240 Jesus did not propound equal rights, and he did not 0:11:20.480 --> 0:11:24.280 upset the social order. Rather, they all affirmed that with 0:11:24.480 --> 0:11:27.360 great fear of God and great respect, you are to 0:11:27.400 --> 0:11:30.880 be submissive to your masters. Whether they're good and gentle, 0:11:31.080 --> 0:11:35.240 or whether they are unreasonable, you are to submit. MacArthur 0:11:35.320 --> 0:11:39.480 also takes an anti LGBTQ plus stance, claiming gay people 0:11:39.559 --> 0:11:44.040 don't really exist. No one is gay. People cannot commit 0:11:44.120 --> 0:11:48.440 a or sorry, people commit adultery, people commit sins of homosexuality. 0:11:48.720 --> 0:11:51.360 They lie, they steal, they cheat, He said, according to 0:11:51.400 --> 0:11:55.480 the friendly atheist quote, that's like saying, you know, I 0:11:55.600 --> 0:11:58.160 keep robbing banks, but I'm a robber. I'm a bank robber. 0:11:58.160 --> 0:12:00.000 What am I going to do? I'm a bank robber. 0:12:00.600 --> 0:12:03.040 That is not an excuse for what you do. MacArthur added, 0:12:03.280 --> 0:12:05.600 there are certain kinds of impulses that lead people in 0:12:05.600 --> 0:12:09.319 that direction, yes, but I think one of the really 0:12:09.440 --> 0:12:12.839 deadly aspects of this is to let people define themselves 0:12:12.880 --> 0:12:16.880 as gay. Okay, so thank you for bearing with me 0:12:17.800 --> 0:12:25.280 for that reading. So here we have someone who is 0:12:27.360 --> 0:12:33.200 talking about doctor Martin Zu King, someone who is suggesting 0:12:33.280 --> 0:12:36.960 that there should be a hierarchy in society and that 0:12:37.240 --> 0:12:39.760 there is a biblical basis for people to adhere to 0:12:39.800 --> 0:12:45.440 this hierarchy. Professing to speak for Jesus. Jesus never said this, 0:12:45.480 --> 0:12:48.840 blah blah blah. As if that meant Jesus not saying 0:12:48.840 --> 0:12:50.400 something was him saying something. 0:12:50.640 --> 0:12:54.120 Does that make sense? Yeah, The absence of him saying 0:12:54.440 --> 0:12:57.840 that we shouldn't do this is him saying that they should. Right, exactly, 0:12:57.840 --> 0:12:58.440 thank you for cure. 0:12:59.200 --> 0:13:01.440 You're so much better, saying so thank you for that, 0:13:01.559 --> 0:13:04.760 all right, And then of course he goes on to 0:13:06.200 --> 0:13:10.440 attack lgbt Q I A plus brothers and sisters. And 0:13:10.480 --> 0:13:13.440 so we'll start there, okay, because we can talk all 0:13:13.520 --> 0:13:16.800 day about slave stuff and doctor King, but let's start. 0:13:16.600 --> 0:13:22.000 Where where we are right now. 0:13:24.080 --> 0:13:31.640 First thing is that there is indeed a scientific, factual, 0:13:32.240 --> 0:13:38.160 objective basis for homosexuality. A quote that I like to 0:13:38.240 --> 0:13:43.280 use a lot is that homosexuality is found in I 0:13:43.280 --> 0:13:46.040 forget the exact number, but it has been observed in 0:13:46.600 --> 0:13:51.280 hundreds of species. Right, homophobia has only been observed in 0:13:51.280 --> 0:13:56.200 one species. Indeed, there was the other day and I 0:13:56.240 --> 0:13:59.000 put it on my story. I believe it was an 0:13:59.080 --> 0:14:03.640 NBC that reported that they that the scientific community first 0:14:03.760 --> 0:14:09.880 encountered hump back whales mating habits. Right, they got a 0:14:09.880 --> 0:14:11.880 photograph of the mating and video and all that sort 0:14:11.880 --> 0:14:13.400 of stuff, right, And. 0:14:13.400 --> 0:14:15.680 The twist was that both of the whales were male. 0:14:16.920 --> 0:14:18.920 And when I shared it on my story, I put 0:14:19.080 --> 0:14:20.240 bust on the bottom. 0:14:20.520 --> 0:14:25.080 That was funny, It's hilarious. But again I think that 0:14:25.160 --> 0:14:25.800 makes the point. 0:14:25.840 --> 0:14:29.560 You know that homophobia is only found in one species, right, 0:14:30.360 --> 0:14:31.040 And the. 0:14:31.040 --> 0:14:34.480 Fact is very interesting that it's classified a phobia, right, 0:14:34.840 --> 0:14:38.280 because it's it's more hate than fear. And we you 0:14:38.320 --> 0:14:40.200 and I go back and forth about this on this 0:14:40.320 --> 0:14:46.040 show a lot. We we create like this escape hatch 0:14:46.840 --> 0:14:50.280 by calling hate fear because then it lets people and 0:14:50.360 --> 0:14:52.640 almost they're scared of us. 0:14:52.760 --> 0:14:53.360 They don't. 0:14:53.800 --> 0:14:57.640 They're scared of home of homosexuality. And it's not fear, 0:14:57.720 --> 0:15:01.280 it's hate, it's othering. It's this group of people does 0:15:01.360 --> 0:15:04.880 not And here we go again, think love or pray 0:15:05.400 --> 0:15:08.920 the way that I do, so it's wrong and instead 0:15:08.920 --> 0:15:11.280 of me looking like a bad person, I'll pretend that 0:15:11.320 --> 0:15:13.240 I'm afraid of this and the harm that it could 0:15:13.280 --> 0:15:15.600 do to me, even though it has nothing to do 0:15:15.680 --> 0:15:18.960 with you. Yeah, there's no aspect of your life that's 0:15:19.000 --> 0:15:24.000 affected by the life of someone who loves, thinks, prays, sings, dances, 0:15:24.080 --> 0:15:26.320 or worships different than the way that you do it, 0:15:26.680 --> 0:15:33.480 as long as they don't try to force you to 0:15:33.520 --> 0:15:36.240 do it like they do it. And again, there is 0:15:36.280 --> 0:15:39.480 a group of people historically that does exactly that. Yeah, 0:15:39.600 --> 0:15:41.440 you have to think, love and pray the way that 0:15:41.480 --> 0:15:45.160 I do, or you're damned by God because I said so. 0:15:45.760 --> 0:15:50.320 And I think that that's what this John MacArthur individual 0:15:50.480 --> 0:15:54.160 is doing. Again, he's a pastor of a megachurch in California, 0:15:54.200 --> 0:15:55.080 ball places. 0:15:56.560 --> 0:15:57.520 But again, it gives you. 0:15:57.480 --> 0:16:03.400 Some insight into that white Christian nationalist way of thinking. Okay, 0:16:04.240 --> 0:16:06.080 so first thing I do want to say again is 0:16:06.120 --> 0:16:11.720 that a bank robber identifying as just a bank robber, 0:16:11.760 --> 0:16:12.280 that's what I do. 0:16:12.360 --> 0:16:13.080 I rob banks. 0:16:14.360 --> 0:16:18.280 There is that that is a false equivalency there that 0:16:18.400 --> 0:16:19.480 might sound. 0:16:19.320 --> 0:16:22.359 It's intentional false equipment. R right, it's the lowest intellectual 0:16:22.440 --> 0:16:25.040 denominator that he could use to stir up a group 0:16:25.040 --> 0:16:27.360 of people that already feel how they work. Yeah, right, 0:16:27.400 --> 0:16:30.720 so they could feel more morally centered and not like 0:16:30.840 --> 0:16:33.400 bad people for believing what they believe. If he gives 0:16:33.440 --> 0:16:36.160 that type of example that they can point to and say, Okay, yes, yeah, 0:16:36.200 --> 0:16:38.080 that's the same. That's like saying I'm a bank robber 0:16:38.120 --> 0:16:39.560 and blah blah blah. No, it's not the same. 0:16:39.680 --> 0:16:42.560 Again, there is a scientific basis for anyone who cares 0:16:42.960 --> 0:16:45.840 to do any research on this. And I would not 0:16:46.000 --> 0:16:50.240 profess to speak for my LGBTQ I A plus brothers 0:16:50.240 --> 0:16:55.040 and sisters, but on this space, in this moment, I 0:16:55.080 --> 0:16:57.320 want to make sure that that was at least addressed. 0:16:57.440 --> 0:16:59.800 Okay, so let's go back a little further. 0:17:01.160 --> 0:17:04.320 Where he's talking about slavery and really kind of like 0:17:04.359 --> 0:17:10.600 the stratification of people in a society or whatever. This 0:17:10.680 --> 0:17:15.960 is literally how people would interpret the Bible in the 0:17:16.040 --> 0:17:18.000 seventeen hundreds, sixteen hundreds. 0:17:18.119 --> 0:17:20.840 This is literally how people interpret the Bible in twenty 0:17:20.920 --> 0:17:23.040 twenty four. And even now we can see where this 0:17:23.720 --> 0:17:25.840 when this story happened. Yeah, yeah, so you can see 0:17:25.840 --> 0:17:28.080 how they We don't have to go back in time 0:17:28.800 --> 0:17:31.360 so you can find people that think, thank you, thank 0:17:31.400 --> 0:17:33.280 you and represent this ideology. 0:17:33.680 --> 0:17:39.120 So this regression in the way of thinking about other 0:17:39.160 --> 0:17:46.000 people in society, and this almost placing. 0:17:45.600 --> 0:17:47.760 People above and below other people. 0:17:49.000 --> 0:17:53.520 That is not consistent with what the country was founded on, 0:17:54.400 --> 0:17:57.760 which is probably why the country was established with the 0:17:57.800 --> 0:18:01.840 separation of church and state. But nor is it consistent 0:18:02.000 --> 0:18:09.320 with indeed the natural state of human human beings, the 0:18:09.400 --> 0:18:11.359 natural offering of human beings. One of the things that 0:18:11.400 --> 0:18:15.800 we say on this show often is that talent, intelligence, gifts, 0:18:15.920 --> 0:18:22.240 skills are evenly distributed throughout populations. Opportunities are not. In 0:18:22.280 --> 0:18:24.199 other words, you're going to find people who are just 0:18:24.240 --> 0:18:26.720 as capable, people are just as brilliant, people are just 0:18:26.760 --> 0:18:30.600 as talented, and all colors and all you know, tribes, 0:18:30.640 --> 0:18:32.120 and you know what I mean. This is just kind 0:18:32.119 --> 0:18:35.440 of a thing that happens with a large enough population, 0:18:37.280 --> 0:18:41.840 and if you notice tendencies that suggest otherwise, there are 0:18:41.880 --> 0:18:46.200 probably external factors to that population that are creating those. 0:18:47.600 --> 0:18:50.879 Tendencies. And it is intellectually dishonest at this point to 0:18:50.920 --> 0:18:53.760 not acknowledge the last part, right, those who kind of 0:18:53.760 --> 0:18:55.600 go out of their way to pretend that that's not 0:18:55.760 --> 0:18:58.359 the case. You know, there's you know, a gentleman the 0:18:58.400 --> 0:19:04.240 other day saying that all of the great moves forward 0:19:04.520 --> 0:19:09.040 throughout history have been because of European white man. Straight 0:19:09.119 --> 0:19:11.600 faced he said, wow to Roland Martin of all, yeah, yeah, 0:19:11.600 --> 0:19:15.560 I saw that. Yeah, I mean even that in of itself, 0:19:15.560 --> 0:19:17.320 and he was using that as a way to kind 0:19:17.320 --> 0:19:22.200 of dismiss slavery as some evil, as some necessary evil, 0:19:22.640 --> 0:19:25.720 which I don't think he understood made it worse. Right, 0:19:25.800 --> 0:19:28.080 if you were arguing that that was necessary and had 0:19:28.119 --> 0:19:31.639 to happen, it's still awful. But if that's what you 0:19:31.720 --> 0:19:34.159 really thought, you'd be a less evil person. If you 0:19:34.200 --> 0:19:36.000 didn't think it was necessary at all, you just felt 0:19:36.000 --> 0:19:38.200 like doing it, that makes you worst off, sir. You 0:19:38.240 --> 0:19:41.880 don't look better. And what you're trying to say does 0:19:41.920 --> 0:19:44.040 not elevate the group of people that you're trying to 0:19:44.080 --> 0:19:46.880 elevate the way that you think. Sure, so they're intellectually 0:19:46.920 --> 0:19:50.280 dishonest on purpose to try to elevate themselves, but it 0:19:50.280 --> 0:19:52.959 makes them morally corrupt, which they don't take into account 0:19:52.960 --> 0:19:54.360 when they're saying these things out loud. 0:19:54.440 --> 0:20:01.880 Well, now you're understanding why this prominence of again, this 0:20:02.520 --> 0:20:08.159 way of thinking that's found so often among white evangelical 0:20:09.320 --> 0:20:15.800 conservative men in this country is it's not well founded. 0:20:16.160 --> 0:20:20.280 It's not based in objective truths. It is not intellectual 0:20:20.480 --> 0:20:20.880 at all. 0:20:21.920 --> 0:20:22.439 It is. 0:20:24.240 --> 0:20:33.960 Intellectually dishonest. It is immoral, and it is very widely 0:20:34.080 --> 0:20:37.639 shared in terms of a way of thinking in these circles. 0:20:37.840 --> 0:20:42.720 And these people are politically engaged very much so absolutely 0:20:42.760 --> 0:20:43.960 the projectaries. 0:20:44.000 --> 0:20:46.800 They're voting locally, and they're they will not miss an 0:20:46.840 --> 0:20:49.960 opportunity to I wish I had I wish. 0:20:49.800 --> 0:20:51.720 I had the data in front of me right now, 0:20:51.760 --> 0:20:57.200 because you're you're not wrong, Q. The I have the data. 0:20:57.240 --> 0:20:59.720 It's it's semi phone somewhere. But it says something like 0:21:00.040 --> 0:21:04.160 white men make up I don't know, thirty some percent 0:21:04.160 --> 0:21:06.239 of the country something like that. I don't know if 0:21:06.240 --> 0:21:07.800 this is the right number, so don't hold me to 0:21:07.840 --> 0:21:08.720 it the numbers. 0:21:08.680 --> 0:21:09.160 I'm the same. 0:21:09.440 --> 0:21:11.360 But then it goes on to say that white men 0:21:11.400 --> 0:21:13.560 make up so let's say, if they make up thirty 0:21:13.560 --> 0:21:14.520 percent of the country, which. 0:21:14.320 --> 0:21:15.000 Again I don't know. 0:21:15.880 --> 0:21:18.000 It goes on to say that white men make up 0:21:18.160 --> 0:21:21.560 sixty percent of elected officials, sixty eight percent of police, 0:21:21.760 --> 0:21:25.880 you know, fifty five percent of judges. 0:21:25.960 --> 0:21:29.480 But not about the semantics. It's just disproportionate, right, absolutely, 0:21:29.480 --> 0:21:31.080 in the favor of that same group of people, right 0:21:31.119 --> 0:21:32.920 so if the numbers are wrong, forgive us right. 0:21:33.280 --> 0:21:37.960 And so when you start to realize and understand that, 0:21:38.359 --> 0:21:40.720 and you recognize and respect that there's a lot of 0:21:41.160 --> 0:21:46.159 this thinking that is prominent among this group. It's not 0:21:46.280 --> 0:21:49.720 universal among this group, but it's prominent, then you recognize that, Okay, 0:21:49.760 --> 0:21:51.480 this is something we need to pay attention to. These 0:21:51.480 --> 0:21:54.320 aren't just fringe groups. These are powerful people. They have platforms, 0:21:54.359 --> 0:21:57.199 they have stages, and they're affecting other people's way of thinking. 0:21:57.280 --> 0:22:01.119 So we'll leave that one right there. We never have 0:22:01.240 --> 0:22:03.560 enough time, never have enough time. We moved through that 0:22:03.600 --> 0:22:05.840 way too quick, but you know that's the way it goes, right. 0:22:05.840 --> 0:22:07.440 We got an hour, so we try to give you 0:22:07.480 --> 0:22:07.920 what we got. 0:22:08.760 --> 0:22:09.360 So I'd like to. 0:22:09.280 --> 0:22:11.359 Thank you once again for tuning in the Civic Cipher. 0:22:11.359 --> 0:22:13.880 I had been your host Ramsy's job. He is Ramsey's jaw. 0:22:13.960 --> 0:22:16.439 I am q ward and we want to thank you 0:22:16.440 --> 0:22:19.080 guys for continuing to rock with us. Please follow us, 0:22:19.359 --> 0:22:23.080 like comments, support share at Civic Cipher on everything. 0:22:23.280 --> 0:22:29.840 Yeah, TikTok, TikTok. I'm getting on TikTok. 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