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Speaker 2: Is Ramsey's job. I am q Ward And if you
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Speaker 1: We're still talking about some important stuff today's show. We're
Speaker 1: giving you some examples that give us some insight into
Speaker 1: conservative Christian white men in this country and a lot
Speaker 1: of the thinking that has caused that group to move
Speaker 1: a little bit further to the right, well a lot
Speaker 1: further to the right, and how the implications of their
Speaker 1: new agenda could affect you know, life in this country
Speaker 1: and who holds power, who has a voice, et cetera.
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Speaker 2: Share a few examples. There's a few people in this story,
Speaker 2: all of whom are do gooders.
Speaker 1: And this comes from ABC seven, and I'll share a statue.
Speaker 1: One of the most beloved characters in the Peanuts series
Speaker 1: has found a new home at a high school in
Speaker 1: Santa Rosa. Franklin, who was African American, was first introduced
Speaker 1: in nineteen sixty eight, towards the end of the Civil
Speaker 1: Rights struggle. It was a few days after Martin Luther
Speaker 1: King Junior's assassination, and a young teacher in the Los
Speaker 1: Angeles area was motivated to act.
Speaker 2: Quote. I cared deeply.
Speaker 1: It was after the assassination of MLKA and the frustration
Speaker 1: and the anger, said Harriet Glickman during an interview a
Speaker 1: few years ago. On April fifteenth, nineteen sixty eight, Glickman
Speaker 1: wrote a letter to of all people, Charles Schultz, the
Speaker 1: creator of the comic strip Nuts, asking him to include
Speaker 1: a black character.
Speaker 2: Quote.
Speaker 1: She says, I'm writing you because I want to do
Speaker 1: something about the vast sea of misunderstanding, fear, hate, and violence.
Speaker 1: It took some convincing, but two months later Charles Schultz
Speaker 1: wrote back quote dear missus Glickman, You'll be pleased to
Speaker 1: know that I have taken the first step in doing
Speaker 1: something unquote. Even before Franklin debuted, there was a lot
Speaker 1: of pushback the United Future Syndicate, United Feature Syndicate.
Speaker 2: Sorry.
Speaker 1: It was worried that some newspapers would protest. Schultz threatened
Speaker 1: to quit the syndicate and oh sorry, he threatened to quit,
Speaker 1: and the syndicate had to give in. While Franklin debuted
Speaker 1: on the beach, meeting Charles Brown with a beach ball,
Speaker 1: and later on they started the Armstrong Project, which is
Speaker 1: named after Franklin's last name, to promote the development of
Speaker 1: an illustrator's cartooning in the black community because representation was solo.
Speaker 1: So a lot of allies in that story. And I
Speaker 1: love that and I'm glad that I was able to
Speaker 1: share it back to Christian white men have another opportunity
Speaker 1: to say it, so I will say it. Conservative Christian
Speaker 1: white men are our brothers, and we.
Speaker 2: Will not.
Speaker 1: Be a platform that tries to create more divisiveness. That's
Speaker 1: easier said than done, because in order to talk about things,
Speaker 1: we have to kind of tell the truth. But our
Speaker 1: intention is to explain to our listeners what is going on,
Speaker 1: and we use examples that illustrate the practical application of
Speaker 1: the data or the interpretation of the data that we're
Speaker 1: seeing or that is being covered by again journalistic sources
Speaker 1: in the media space, journalistically credible sources in the media space.
Speaker 1: So for the first half of the show, we cited
Speaker 1: a couple of examples of people who are in prominent
Speaker 1: positions or have been given platforms that give you insight
Speaker 1: into kind of how that old school thinking, almost like
Speaker 1: eighteen seventeen hundred style of thinking has become more prominent
Speaker 1: and is becoming increasingly more prominent.
Speaker 2: You also don't have to draw back that far for examples. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that's fairly. That's a very good job of expressing that
Speaker 2: way of thought and trying to live out the ideology
Speaker 2: of those times. I'm glad you said that.
Speaker 1: But this next example, I think does take us back
Speaker 1: to the eighteen hundred seventeen hundreds. So I'm going to
Speaker 1: share forgive me, I'm going to do a lot of reading,
Speaker 1: and then we're going to go back and break it
Speaker 1: down for you. But I think that this gives you
Speaker 1: a lot more insight into just how far this cancerous
Speaker 1: type of thinking can go and how many different areas
Speaker 1: of society and how many different types of people it
Speaker 1: can affect. And this minister certainly leaned into this way
Speaker 1: of thinking.
Speaker 2: And we also have another piece of video for you
Speaker 2: guys as well.
Speaker 1: Sure sure, actually, you know what, before we get into
Speaker 1: this reading, let's let's play that video. So this video
Speaker 1: comes from Adam Mockler, who's an interviewer on Instagram, and
Speaker 1: he's interviewed in the In the clip, he's interviewing some
Speaker 1: some Trump supporters. These are white men, and they let
Speaker 1: it be known exactly how they feel. And this isn't
Speaker 1: just something that we found in cherry picked. This is
Speaker 1: a bona fide viral video. This is not on the margins.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is and this is this is really even
Speaker 2: considered this extreme right, This is this is.
Speaker 1: Almost exactly what a lot of these.
Speaker 2: What do I call them?
Speaker 1: It's kind of like political satire or like comedians that
Speaker 1: it was.
Speaker 3: Just satire, right, right, But there's a lot of people
Speaker 3: who do political satire and they do political jokes.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, the commentary, and they go out on high light, yeah,
Speaker 2: to highlight the hypocrisy exactly.
Speaker 1: Okay, So he's one of these people that does this,
Speaker 1: and this video of his is particularly viral.
Speaker 2: And so though we meant the positions of those being
Speaker 2: interviewed being satire, No, no, no, those real people. Rather that
Speaker 2: be the case, I wish, but no, they're real people.
Speaker 2: So let's play the video.
Speaker 4: First, Yeah, or dash majorities of people, including women. The
Speaker 4: women didn't receive the rights of it until the nineteenth
Speaker 4: Amendment nine and.
Speaker 5: We fixed that. I don't think that was a good thing.
Speaker 5: You don't think so. I don't think it was a
Speaker 5: good thing. I believe the nineteenth Amendment.
Speaker 4: Yeah, every woman, every person, women, men, black, white, whatever,
Speaker 4: has equal dignity under the law and before God. That
Speaker 4: doesn't mean they have the same roles and should have
Speaker 4: the same influence in the society.
Speaker 5: Who should have it's in our society?
Speaker 6: Christian leaders, why Christian interest? Christian chose that he wants
Speaker 6: to be a day one dictator. Would you be okay
Speaker 6: with him extending that throughout the rest of his presidency?
Speaker 5: No, I don't think so. It's that you hate a
Speaker 5: democracy though.
Speaker 6: Yeah, we're a constitutional republic.
Speaker 5: We're a democratic republic. No we're not. You don't think so.
Speaker 6: No, we're a constitutional republic. These two things aren't mutually exclusive.
Speaker 6: If you have mechanisms that allow people to vote representatives
Speaker 6: and those representatives vote for you, that is a representative democracy,
Speaker 6: right yeah, sure, But it's also a constitutional republic, not
Speaker 6: mutually exclusive.
Speaker 5: This so we have two senators for each state.
Speaker 6: Well, those representatives are elected by the people, by us.
Speaker 6: We go out and we vote every November seventh or whatever,
Speaker 6: and we elect these people.
Speaker 2: Okay, So.
Speaker 1: First thing I want you to know is that you know,
Speaker 1: you can't see the gentleman in the video, but he's
Speaker 1: probably early to mid twenties visibly. So for people that
Speaker 1: feel like, oh oh, this old conservative Christian white men
Speaker 1: sort of thing as an old guy problem, it is not.
Speaker 1: It has not been since at least twenty sixteen. I
Speaker 1: would go back as far as two thousand and eight
Speaker 1: when Obama was elected that it really started to take root,
Speaker 1: because again, there's been a lot of fear that these
Speaker 1: people are going to lose power, and then who will
Speaker 1: they be? How does everyone feel about us? We've done
Speaker 1: all this harm. We've taken land from these people, we've
Speaker 1: taken lives from these people. If we're no longer in power,
Speaker 1: people might retality. These are real fears that these people
Speaker 1: live with, and so they hold on to this power
Speaker 1: as much as they can get. And a gentleman like that,
Speaker 1: who in two thousand and eight was probably I don't know,
Speaker 1: I can't do the math, but he was a child,
Speaker 1: I'm sure, has grown up in a world where that
Speaker 1: fear has taken center stage and it is particularly pronounced
Speaker 1: among again those white Christian men heterosexual women. So there's
Speaker 1: one example of a young man who and how he feels.
Speaker 1: Right now, we're going to go to another example. This
Speaker 1: is a much older man because obviously they're on the
Speaker 1: menu too when it comes to this. So I'm going
Speaker 1: to share a bit from your web. But a prominent
Speaker 1: megachurch pastor has asserted that Reverend Martin Luther King Junior
Speaker 1: was quote not a Christian at all. Jacob MacArthur, an
Speaker 1: eighty five year old white male pastor of Grace Community
Speaker 1: Church in Sun Valley, California, made the claim during a
Speaker 1: sermon last month. LGBTQ Nation reports. In his remarks, he
Speaker 1: criticized a group of evangelical pastors known as Together for
Speaker 1: the Gospel tf org for honoring King several years ago.
Speaker 1: Right wing Watch reported quote, teforg bought into the receptiveness
Speaker 1: of the woke movement and the racial baiting that was
Speaker 1: going on a couple of years ago, and it literally
Speaker 1: put them out of existence. MacArthur said, goes on to
Speaker 1: say the strange irony was a year later they did
Speaker 1: the same thing for Martin Luther King, who was not
Speaker 1: a Christian at all, whose life was immoral. He goes
Speaker 1: on to say, I'm not saying King didn't do some
Speaker 1: social good, and I've always been glad he was a pacifist,
Speaker 1: or he could have started a real revolution.
Speaker 2: What a slap in the face there, anyway, if only
Speaker 2: he had started a real revolution, right, he's still talking.
Speaker 1: So, but you don't honor a non believer who misrepresents
Speaker 1: Christ in everything about the Gospel.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 1: I want to make sure that we're calling him by
Speaker 1: his full name, Reverend doctor Martin Luther King, Junior. And
Speaker 1: I want to make sure that people know that his
Speaker 1: doctorate was in theology. So bear that in mind as
Speaker 1: I continue to read per LGBTQ Nation. MacArthur previously said, quote,
Speaker 1: the Bible is abundantly clear slavery is the heart of
Speaker 1: what it means to be a true Christian, and Christianity
Speaker 1: does not free slaves. Christianity does not give equal social rights.
Speaker 1: Jesus did not propound equal rights, and he did not
Speaker 1: upset the social order. Rather, they all affirmed that with
Speaker 1: great fear of God and great respect, you are to
Speaker 1: be submissive to your masters. Whether they're good and gentle,
Speaker 1: or whether they are unreasonable, you are to submit. MacArthur
Speaker 1: also takes an anti LGBTQ plus stance, claiming gay people
Speaker 1: don't really exist. No one is gay. People cannot commit
Speaker 1: a or sorry, people commit adultery, people commit sins of homosexuality.
Speaker 1: They lie, they steal, they cheat, He said, according to
Speaker 1: the friendly atheist quote, that's like saying, you know, I
Speaker 1: keep robbing banks, but I'm a robber. I'm a bank robber.
Speaker 1: What am I going to do? I'm a bank robber.
Speaker 1: That is not an excuse for what you do. MacArthur added,
Speaker 1: there are certain kinds of impulses that lead people in
Speaker 1: that direction, yes, but I think one of the really
Speaker 1: deadly aspects of this is to let people define themselves
Speaker 1: as gay. Okay, so thank you for bearing with me
Speaker 1: for that reading. So here we have someone who is
Speaker 1: talking about doctor Martin Zu King, someone who is suggesting
Speaker 1: that there should be a hierarchy in society and that
Speaker 1: there is a biblical basis for people to adhere to
Speaker 1: this hierarchy. Professing to speak for Jesus. Jesus never said this,
Speaker 1: blah blah blah. As if that meant Jesus not saying
Speaker 1: something was him saying something.
Speaker 2: Does that make sense? Yeah, The absence of him saying
Speaker 2: that we shouldn't do this is him saying that they should. Right, exactly,
Speaker 2: thank you for cure.
Speaker 1: You're so much better, saying so thank you for that,
Speaker 1: all right, And then of course he goes on to
Speaker 1: attack lgbt Q I A plus brothers and sisters. And
Speaker 1: so we'll start there, okay, because we can talk all
Speaker 1: day about slave stuff and doctor King, but let's start.
Speaker 2: Where where we are right now.
Speaker 1: First thing is that there is indeed a scientific, factual,
Speaker 1: objective basis for homosexuality. A quote that I like to
Speaker 1: use a lot is that homosexuality is found in I
Speaker 1: forget the exact number, but it has been observed in
Speaker 1: hundreds of species. Right, homophobia has only been observed in
Speaker 1: one species. Indeed, there was the other day and I
Speaker 1: put it on my story. I believe it was an
Speaker 1: NBC that reported that they that the scientific community first
Speaker 1: encountered hump back whales mating habits. Right, they got a
Speaker 1: photograph of the mating and video and all that sort
Speaker 1: of stuff, right, And.
Speaker 2: The twist was that both of the whales were male.
Speaker 1: And when I shared it on my story, I put
Speaker 1: bust on the bottom.
Speaker 2: That was funny, It's hilarious. But again I think that
Speaker 2: makes the point.
Speaker 1: You know that homophobia is only found in one species, right,
Speaker 1: And the.
Speaker 2: Fact is very interesting that it's classified a phobia, right,
Speaker 2: because it's it's more hate than fear. And we you
Speaker 2: and I go back and forth about this on this
Speaker 2: show a lot. We we create like this escape hatch
Speaker 2: by calling hate fear because then it lets people and
Speaker 2: almost they're scared of us.
Speaker 1: They don't.
Speaker 2: They're scared of home of homosexuality. And it's not fear,
Speaker 2: it's hate, it's othering. It's this group of people does
Speaker 2: not And here we go again, think love or pray
Speaker 2: the way that I do, so it's wrong and instead
Speaker 2: of me looking like a bad person, I'll pretend that
Speaker 2: I'm afraid of this and the harm that it could
Speaker 2: do to me, even though it has nothing to do
Speaker 2: with you. Yeah, there's no aspect of your life that's
Speaker 2: affected by the life of someone who loves, thinks, prays, sings, dances,
Speaker 2: or worships different than the way that you do it,
Speaker 2: as long as they don't try to force you to
Speaker 2: do it like they do it. And again, there is
Speaker 2: a group of people historically that does exactly that. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you have to think, love and pray the way that
Speaker 2: I do, or you're damned by God because I said so.
Speaker 1: And I think that that's what this John MacArthur individual
Speaker 1: is doing. Again, he's a pastor of a megachurch in California,
Speaker 1: ball places.
Speaker 2: But again, it gives you.
Speaker 1: Some insight into that white Christian nationalist way of thinking. Okay,
Speaker 1: so first thing I do want to say again is
Speaker 1: that a bank robber identifying as just a bank robber,
Speaker 1: that's what I do.
Speaker 2: I rob banks.
Speaker 1: There is that that is a false equivalency there that
Speaker 1: might sound.
Speaker 2: It's intentional false equipment. R right, it's the lowest intellectual
Speaker 2: denominator that he could use to stir up a group
Speaker 2: of people that already feel how they work. Yeah, right,
Speaker 2: so they could feel more morally centered and not like
Speaker 2: bad people for believing what they believe. If he gives
Speaker 2: that type of example that they can point to and say, Okay, yes, yeah,
Speaker 2: that's the same. That's like saying I'm a bank robber
Speaker 2: and blah blah blah. No, it's not the same.
Speaker 1: Again, there is a scientific basis for anyone who cares
Speaker 1: to do any research on this. And I would not
Speaker 1: profess to speak for my LGBTQ I A plus brothers
Speaker 1: and sisters, but on this space, in this moment, I
Speaker 1: want to make sure that that was at least addressed.
Speaker 2: Okay, so let's go back a little further.
Speaker 1: Where he's talking about slavery and really kind of like
Speaker 1: the stratification of people in a society or whatever. This
Speaker 1: is literally how people would interpret the Bible in the
Speaker 1: seventeen hundreds, sixteen hundreds.
Speaker 2: This is literally how people interpret the Bible in twenty
Speaker 2: twenty four. And even now we can see where this
Speaker 2: when this story happened. Yeah, yeah, so you can see
Speaker 2: how they We don't have to go back in time
Speaker 2: so you can find people that think, thank you, thank
Speaker 2: you and represent this ideology.
Speaker 1: So this regression in the way of thinking about other
Speaker 1: people in society, and this almost placing.
Speaker 2: People above and below other people.
Speaker 1: That is not consistent with what the country was founded on,
Speaker 1: which is probably why the country was established with the
Speaker 1: separation of church and state. But nor is it consistent
Speaker 1: with indeed the natural state of human human beings, the
Speaker 1: natural offering of human beings. One of the things that
Speaker 1: we say on this show often is that talent, intelligence, gifts,
Speaker 1: skills are evenly distributed throughout populations. Opportunities are not. In
Speaker 1: other words, you're going to find people who are just
Speaker 1: as capable, people are just as brilliant, people are just
Speaker 1: as talented, and all colors and all you know, tribes,
Speaker 1: and you know what I mean. This is just kind
Speaker 1: of a thing that happens with a large enough population,
Speaker 1: and if you notice tendencies that suggest otherwise, there are
Speaker 1: probably external factors to that population that are creating those.
Speaker 2: Tendencies. And it is intellectually dishonest at this point to
Speaker 2: not acknowledge the last part, right, those who kind of
Speaker 2: go out of their way to pretend that that's not
Speaker 2: the case. You know, there's you know, a gentleman the
Speaker 2: other day saying that all of the great moves forward
Speaker 2: throughout history have been because of European white man. Straight
Speaker 2: faced he said, wow to Roland Martin of all, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: I saw that. Yeah, I mean even that in of itself,
Speaker 2: and he was using that as a way to kind
Speaker 2: of dismiss slavery as some evil, as some necessary evil,
Speaker 2: which I don't think he understood made it worse. Right,
Speaker 2: if you were arguing that that was necessary and had
Speaker 2: to happen, it's still awful. But if that's what you
Speaker 2: really thought, you'd be a less evil person. If you
Speaker 2: didn't think it was necessary at all, you just felt
Speaker 2: like doing it, that makes you worst off, sir. You
Speaker 2: don't look better. And what you're trying to say does
Speaker 2: not elevate the group of people that you're trying to
Speaker 2: elevate the way that you think. Sure, so they're intellectually
Speaker 2: dishonest on purpose to try to elevate themselves, but it
Speaker 2: makes them morally corrupt, which they don't take into account
Speaker 2: when they're saying these things out loud.
Speaker 1: Well, now you're understanding why this prominence of again, this
Speaker 1: way of thinking that's found so often among white evangelical
Speaker 1: conservative men in this country is it's not well founded.
Speaker 1: It's not based in objective truths. It is not intellectual
Speaker 1: at all.
Speaker 2: It is.
Speaker 1: Intellectually dishonest. It is immoral, and it is very widely
Speaker 1: shared in terms of a way of thinking in these circles.
Speaker 1: And these people are politically engaged very much so absolutely
Speaker 1: the projectaries.
Speaker 2: They're voting locally, and they're they will not miss an
Speaker 2: opportunity to I wish I had I wish.
Speaker 1: I had the data in front of me right now,
Speaker 1: because you're you're not wrong, Q. The I have the data.
Speaker 1: It's it's semi phone somewhere. But it says something like
Speaker 1: white men make up I don't know, thirty some percent
Speaker 1: of the country something like that. I don't know if
Speaker 1: this is the right number, so don't hold me to
Speaker 1: it the numbers.
Speaker 5: I'm the same.
Speaker 1: But then it goes on to say that white men
Speaker 1: make up so let's say, if they make up thirty
Speaker 1: percent of the country, which.
Speaker 2: Again I don't know.
Speaker 1: It goes on to say that white men make up
Speaker 1: sixty percent of elected officials, sixty eight percent of police,
Speaker 1: you know, fifty five percent of judges.
Speaker 2: But not about the semantics. It's just disproportionate, right, absolutely,
Speaker 2: in the favor of that same group of people, right
Speaker 2: so if the numbers are wrong, forgive us right.
Speaker 1: And so when you start to realize and understand that,
Speaker 1: and you recognize and respect that there's a lot of
Speaker 1: this thinking that is prominent among this group. It's not
Speaker 1: universal among this group, but it's prominent, then you recognize that, Okay,
Speaker 1: this is something we need to pay attention to. These
Speaker 1: aren't just fringe groups. These are powerful people. They have platforms,
Speaker 1: they have stages, and they're affecting other people's way of thinking.
Speaker 3: So we'll leave that one right there. We never have
Speaker 3: enough time, never have enough time. We moved through that
Speaker 3: way too quick, but you know that's the way it goes, right.
Speaker 3: We got an hour, so we try to give you
Speaker 3: what we got.
Speaker 2: So I'd like to.
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