1 00:00:03,400 --> 00:00:06,000 Speaker 1: One week to go. There is one week to go 2 00:00:06,040 --> 00:00:09,440 Speaker 1: before the first practice of training camp. Welcome Bird Gang. 3 00:00:09,560 --> 00:00:12,959 Speaker 1: On today's show, Danny Surrek joins me, the offseason is 4 00:00:13,119 --> 00:00:16,200 Speaker 1: just about over. In fact, this time next Wednesday, coaches, 5 00:00:16,360 --> 00:00:19,800 Speaker 1: players and fans all were returned to State Farm Stadium. 6 00:00:20,120 --> 00:00:23,160 Speaker 1: So what will the twenty twenty four Arizona Cardinals look like? 7 00:00:23,520 --> 00:00:25,840 Speaker 1: Time to dive in on the defensive side of the 8 00:00:25,840 --> 00:00:30,160 Speaker 1: wall storylines, position battles. Players were most excited to see. 9 00:00:30,400 --> 00:00:33,559 Speaker 1: It's Cardinals Cover two episode seven to seventy and it 10 00:00:33,600 --> 00:00:35,280 Speaker 1: starts now. 11 00:00:37,640 --> 00:00:39,640 Speaker 2: Welcome to Cardinals Cover two. 12 00:00:39,800 --> 00:00:44,239 Speaker 1: Pooda Baker, What Heart? What rent? This guy's unbelievable. 13 00:00:44,440 --> 00:00:48,760 Speaker 2: Cardinals Cover two is presented by Hyundai, proud partner of 14 00:00:48,800 --> 00:00:54,760 Speaker 2: the Arizona Cardinals, and by Arizona Cardinals Podcast Visit Azycardinals 15 00:00:54,840 --> 00:00:56,600 Speaker 2: dot Com slash podcast. 16 00:00:56,720 --> 00:00:59,160 Speaker 1: He said the ten half of five, he's it again, 17 00:00:59,480 --> 00:01:02,520 Speaker 1: so more hurry magic Wow. 18 00:01:02,720 --> 00:01:03,920 Speaker 2: Here's Craig trailer. 19 00:01:08,240 --> 00:01:10,680 Speaker 1: So welcome back, Danny. Although I need a preface this 20 00:01:10,760 --> 00:01:13,959 Speaker 1: because actually you've been back. I'm the one that's been gone. 21 00:01:14,080 --> 00:01:17,800 Speaker 1: But welcome back here to Cardinals Cover two. You've been missed. 22 00:01:18,120 --> 00:01:21,200 Speaker 3: Thank you, Welcome back from vacation. It's been Where are 23 00:01:21,240 --> 00:01:22,000 Speaker 3: your Mickey ears? 24 00:01:22,160 --> 00:01:26,000 Speaker 1: My Mickey ears? My Mickey ears were left in Anaheim? 25 00:01:26,680 --> 00:01:30,040 Speaker 1: One picture with Mickey ears, I believe. But yeah, three 26 00:01:30,120 --> 00:01:37,440 Speaker 1: days at Disneyland California Adventure in early July. Crowds, heats, 27 00:01:37,680 --> 00:01:39,920 Speaker 1: but still a lot of funny. It has been It 28 00:01:39,959 --> 00:01:42,760 Speaker 1: had been more than a decade since I had been 29 00:01:43,560 --> 00:01:44,240 Speaker 1: to Disneyland. 30 00:01:44,280 --> 00:01:46,280 Speaker 3: See, I've never been to Disneyland, and I haven't been 31 00:01:46,319 --> 00:01:49,320 Speaker 3: to disney World since I was probably five years old. 32 00:01:49,400 --> 00:01:51,840 Speaker 3: But I feel like what always intrigues me most when 33 00:01:51,840 --> 00:01:55,880 Speaker 3: I see stuff online is the food that people got. 34 00:01:56,320 --> 00:01:58,800 Speaker 3: What was the best thing you ate at Disneyland? Best 35 00:01:58,840 --> 00:02:01,040 Speaker 3: thing supposed to be really good. 36 00:02:01,160 --> 00:02:04,960 Speaker 1: A lot of different restaurants, restaurants either on site or 37 00:02:05,080 --> 00:02:06,160 Speaker 1: at one of the hotels. 38 00:02:06,400 --> 00:02:07,960 Speaker 3: Did you see what? Multiple days? 39 00:02:08,040 --> 00:02:11,600 Speaker 1: Multiple days? Yeah, you have to, based off of the 40 00:02:11,639 --> 00:02:14,959 Speaker 1: crowds and the weather. If you do everything in the morning, 41 00:02:15,040 --> 00:02:17,240 Speaker 1: take a break in the afternoon, come back at nights. 42 00:02:17,320 --> 00:02:18,840 Speaker 1: That's kind of what you have to do to make 43 00:02:18,880 --> 00:02:21,160 Speaker 1: sure you get into every single ride. And by the way, 44 00:02:21,200 --> 00:02:23,920 Speaker 1: as I do a free plug here for Disneyland, the 45 00:02:24,000 --> 00:02:28,320 Speaker 1: Disneyland app is a must for anyone who goes to 46 00:02:28,400 --> 00:02:38,560 Speaker 1: Disneyland because it gives wait times, entertainments, attractions, food choices. 47 00:02:39,520 --> 00:02:42,440 Speaker 1: But yeah, got some good food. Oh, nothing really stood out. 48 00:02:43,200 --> 00:02:45,520 Speaker 1: I like Italian food. So there was a pasta dish 49 00:02:45,560 --> 00:02:49,280 Speaker 1: the last night we were there. Good stuff, chicken pasta. Yeah, 50 00:02:49,400 --> 00:02:51,160 Speaker 1: nice drinks everything. 51 00:02:51,240 --> 00:02:51,640 Speaker 3: Yeah. 52 00:02:51,680 --> 00:02:55,760 Speaker 1: And as as opposed to what well Hernandez, I believe 53 00:02:55,800 --> 00:02:58,639 Speaker 1: it was said, it's not time off, it's time away. No, 54 00:02:58,639 --> 00:03:01,480 Speaker 1: no for me, for you, I think for us fans, 55 00:03:01,919 --> 00:03:03,040 Speaker 1: it's time off. 56 00:03:03,280 --> 00:03:05,880 Speaker 3: I'm probably more or less of something before I went 57 00:03:05,919 --> 00:03:08,360 Speaker 3: home for three weeks along the lines of like, don't 58 00:03:08,400 --> 00:03:11,960 Speaker 3: contact me, don't reach out if it's if it's an emergency, 59 00:03:12,080 --> 00:03:13,240 Speaker 3: complain to someone else. 60 00:03:14,400 --> 00:03:14,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, not me. 61 00:03:15,320 --> 00:03:17,760 Speaker 1: The six weeks between the end of mini camp and 62 00:03:17,800 --> 00:03:22,320 Speaker 1: the start of training camp. Yeah, it's it's it's time off. 63 00:03:22,520 --> 00:03:27,400 Speaker 1: It's we're not coaches, players, worrying about game film, worrying 64 00:03:27,440 --> 00:03:31,799 Speaker 1: about making sure we're ready, in shape. We always are 65 00:03:31,840 --> 00:03:33,799 Speaker 1: in shape and ready for training camp. By the way, 66 00:03:33,840 --> 00:03:36,760 Speaker 1: one week from today, as we speak here on this Wednesday, 67 00:03:37,120 --> 00:03:40,640 Speaker 1: the first practice at State Farm Stand now leave it. 68 00:03:40,680 --> 00:03:44,080 Speaker 1: First open practice is Thursday, the twenty fifth, but the 69 00:03:44,120 --> 00:03:48,200 Speaker 1: first official practice is Wednesday, it's closed to the public, 70 00:03:48,240 --> 00:03:50,840 Speaker 1: but we'll be able to watch the first twenty minutes 71 00:03:51,040 --> 00:03:53,560 Speaker 1: officially and then the entirety of the practice. But just 72 00:03:53,600 --> 00:03:56,240 Speaker 1: no different than OTA's and mini camp. But yeah, here 73 00:03:56,320 --> 00:03:57,800 Speaker 1: we are training camp underway. 74 00:03:57,880 --> 00:03:58,560 Speaker 3: Can't believe it? 75 00:03:59,000 --> 00:04:01,600 Speaker 1: So as we get ready for training game. By the way, 76 00:04:01,600 --> 00:04:03,920 Speaker 1: I need to reference that. Also make sure everyone knows 77 00:04:04,360 --> 00:04:07,760 Speaker 1: the nine open practices. Go to a Zcardinals dot com 78 00:04:07,840 --> 00:04:10,080 Speaker 1: for all the information as far as schedule when they 79 00:04:10,080 --> 00:04:13,520 Speaker 1: are and also you do need a digital ticket to 80 00:04:13,640 --> 00:04:16,840 Speaker 1: access the stadium. Parking is free. Ticket is free, but 81 00:04:16,880 --> 00:04:19,159 Speaker 1: they want to make sure that they know how many 82 00:04:19,240 --> 00:04:21,719 Speaker 1: people are showing up, so do do do Go to 83 00:04:21,760 --> 00:04:23,920 Speaker 1: Azcardinals dot com for all the information. 84 00:04:24,000 --> 00:04:26,240 Speaker 3: And if you ask Craig for an autograph, I'll give 85 00:04:26,240 --> 00:04:26,680 Speaker 3: you ten. 86 00:04:26,560 --> 00:04:31,200 Speaker 1: Bucks ow okay, And if you ask Danny for a selfie, 87 00:04:31,640 --> 00:04:36,040 Speaker 1: I'll give you eleven bucks. Actually you probably should charge 88 00:04:36,160 --> 00:04:39,520 Speaker 1: more than me. That's just my personal a pardon. I 89 00:04:39,560 --> 00:04:42,679 Speaker 1: believe your autograph your picture would be worth more than mine. 90 00:04:43,240 --> 00:04:46,159 Speaker 3: You know, someone had me sign something I think Red 91 00:04:46,160 --> 00:04:49,200 Speaker 3: and White practice last year or something, and I felt bad. 92 00:04:49,360 --> 00:04:51,679 Speaker 3: I said it was like, are you sure, Like I'm 93 00:04:51,720 --> 00:04:55,440 Speaker 3: definitely devaluing this mini football that you're having me sign 94 00:04:55,680 --> 00:04:58,400 Speaker 3: like yeah, yeah, okay, great, Like I appreciate it, but 95 00:04:59,279 --> 00:05:01,200 Speaker 3: I felt kind of bad. It was like me and 96 00:05:01,240 --> 00:05:02,440 Speaker 3: a bunch of players. 97 00:05:03,000 --> 00:05:07,120 Speaker 1: Danny Danny, Danny. Yeah. I was like, okay, right next 98 00:05:07,120 --> 00:05:09,560 Speaker 1: to that kind of Murray signature to. 99 00:05:09,560 --> 00:05:12,080 Speaker 3: Say, I try to say as far away from any 100 00:05:12,360 --> 00:05:14,360 Speaker 3: player's signature as possible. 101 00:05:14,920 --> 00:05:19,599 Speaker 1: This is sidetrack here. This was years ago, and I 102 00:05:19,680 --> 00:05:22,279 Speaker 1: don't remember where, but it was a group of kids 103 00:05:22,720 --> 00:05:27,080 Speaker 1: and you're with you know, athletes that you're either there 104 00:05:27,360 --> 00:05:29,960 Speaker 1: with them, covering them or whatever. And I did. I 105 00:05:29,960 --> 00:05:32,159 Speaker 1: do remember a kid asking for an autograph and I 106 00:05:32,160 --> 00:05:35,039 Speaker 1: was like I go, no, no, no, that the athletes, the 107 00:05:35,080 --> 00:05:37,880 Speaker 1: player they're over there. No, no no, because I guess 108 00:05:37,880 --> 00:05:40,159 Speaker 1: I had a logo the Cardinals or whatever it was, 109 00:05:40,200 --> 00:05:44,520 Speaker 1: and I was like, okay, just make sure nothing else 110 00:05:44,640 --> 00:05:47,479 Speaker 1: is on this photo, this piece of paper, or this ball, 111 00:05:47,560 --> 00:05:50,960 Speaker 1: because I just basically it's meaningless, right. 112 00:05:51,000 --> 00:05:54,000 Speaker 3: It's worthless, but if it makes them happy exactly. 113 00:05:54,080 --> 00:05:57,440 Speaker 1: So, training camp underway next week, and as we get 114 00:05:57,440 --> 00:06:01,080 Speaker 1: ourselves and everyone else ready for training, how about we 115 00:06:01,120 --> 00:06:04,640 Speaker 1: look ahead, specifically talking about the defense. We'll do offense 116 00:06:04,920 --> 00:06:09,560 Speaker 1: next week, But as far as top storyline, number one position, 117 00:06:09,680 --> 00:06:14,440 Speaker 1: battle position, group with the most intrigue player, most excited 118 00:06:14,440 --> 00:06:18,560 Speaker 1: to see returning player, most excited to see a newcomer, 119 00:06:18,960 --> 00:06:22,839 Speaker 1: and as far as top storyline, as far as the defense, 120 00:06:22,880 --> 00:06:25,839 Speaker 1: this can be big picture, it can be small picture. 121 00:06:25,839 --> 00:06:27,680 Speaker 1: And I think a lot of what we're gonna do here, Danny, 122 00:06:27,960 --> 00:06:31,040 Speaker 1: there's gonna be some overlap. But as far as for 123 00:06:31,120 --> 00:06:34,400 Speaker 1: you the number one storyline, for me, I went way 124 00:06:34,520 --> 00:06:37,680 Speaker 1: big picture, But for you, what is the number one 125 00:06:37,720 --> 00:06:41,000 Speaker 1: storyline that you are following? Not that it needs to 126 00:06:41,040 --> 00:06:42,800 Speaker 1: be answered, because I don't think we're gonna get any 127 00:06:42,800 --> 00:06:44,920 Speaker 1: answer until the season begins, but going. 128 00:06:44,760 --> 00:06:48,719 Speaker 3: Into camp, it sounds cliche and it might be too 129 00:06:48,760 --> 00:06:52,560 Speaker 3: broad for what you're asking of me. I feel like 130 00:06:52,600 --> 00:06:55,400 Speaker 3: a coach saying this, you really just have to get 131 00:06:55,480 --> 00:07:00,560 Speaker 3: better in all facets. The Cardinals ringed bottom tier across 132 00:07:00,640 --> 00:07:05,160 Speaker 3: the board in passing downs, rundowns, I mean, pretty much everything. 133 00:07:05,960 --> 00:07:09,920 Speaker 3: They've addressed a lot of those needs, so I'm looking 134 00:07:09,960 --> 00:07:13,360 Speaker 3: to see I don't know if I would say drastic improvements, 135 00:07:13,400 --> 00:07:16,680 Speaker 3: but I would expect this Cardinals defense to be at 136 00:07:16,840 --> 00:07:21,040 Speaker 3: least middle of the pack, which is pretty significant from 137 00:07:21,080 --> 00:07:24,320 Speaker 3: where they were last year. That was the first year 138 00:07:24,360 --> 00:07:27,560 Speaker 3: with this coaching staff and the front office having to 139 00:07:28,200 --> 00:07:30,440 Speaker 3: have more of a mix of the players. They wanted 140 00:07:30,960 --> 00:07:33,000 Speaker 3: keeping some of the players that were here that maybe 141 00:07:33,000 --> 00:07:36,280 Speaker 3: they wouldn't have kept, and they didn't keep a lot 142 00:07:36,320 --> 00:07:38,800 Speaker 3: of injury so there were a lot of factors and 143 00:07:40,160 --> 00:07:44,760 Speaker 3: I want to see, I guess, statistically improvements along this 144 00:07:44,840 --> 00:07:48,480 Speaker 3: defense when it comes to rushing guards allowed per game 145 00:07:48,720 --> 00:07:52,520 Speaker 3: and red zone defense, how many points they're allowing per game. 146 00:07:52,560 --> 00:07:56,640 Speaker 3: I mean, that's my broad picture of what I want 147 00:07:56,680 --> 00:07:58,640 Speaker 3: to see from the defense is I want to be 148 00:07:58,720 --> 00:08:01,840 Speaker 3: able to look at the disition groups and say, yes, 149 00:08:01,960 --> 00:08:05,960 Speaker 3: you can see tangible improvements from this time last year. 150 00:08:06,440 --> 00:08:08,960 Speaker 1: I took a similar approach and I just wrote down 151 00:08:09,080 --> 00:08:12,520 Speaker 1: what's the defense going to look like, and specifically as 152 00:08:12,560 --> 00:08:18,000 Speaker 1: far as how are players lined up three four four three? 153 00:08:18,560 --> 00:08:21,680 Speaker 1: Is it an even front to allow five defensive backs? 154 00:08:21,920 --> 00:08:25,680 Speaker 1: Remember the Cardinals a year ago played a lot of 155 00:08:25,720 --> 00:08:30,280 Speaker 1: three down linemen. In fact, according to sharpfootballanalysis dot Com, 156 00:08:30,320 --> 00:08:33,960 Speaker 1: they had the fifth highest rate of three man fronts. 157 00:08:34,480 --> 00:08:39,120 Speaker 1: But Jonathan Gannon and Nick Rales in Philadelphia used a 158 00:08:39,160 --> 00:08:42,840 Speaker 1: four to three front now based off of talent based 159 00:08:42,840 --> 00:08:46,400 Speaker 1: off of player availability. What kind of defense does Nick 160 00:08:46,520 --> 00:08:50,000 Speaker 1: Raalis want to run here with the Arizona Cardinals. Was 161 00:08:50,040 --> 00:08:52,920 Speaker 1: he forced to run what he did a year ago? 162 00:08:53,400 --> 00:08:55,320 Speaker 1: And now based off some of those upgrades that we 163 00:08:55,320 --> 00:08:59,079 Speaker 1: can talk about defensive line, outside linebacker and the secondary 164 00:08:59,640 --> 00:09:02,840 Speaker 1: doing now see the vision of Jonathan Gannon and Nick 165 00:09:02,920 --> 00:09:06,080 Speaker 1: Rowlis within this defense. Because I go back to what 166 00:09:06,200 --> 00:09:08,320 Speaker 1: Zavi and Collins said in the offseason, asked about the 167 00:09:08,360 --> 00:09:11,640 Speaker 1: defense and said, yeah, it was very vanilla a year ago, 168 00:09:12,080 --> 00:09:15,000 Speaker 1: and now it's a whole bunch of stuff coming into 169 00:09:15,120 --> 00:09:17,920 Speaker 1: this season. I think we get a better vision of 170 00:09:17,960 --> 00:09:22,840 Speaker 1: what this defense looks like with Gannon and Rawls because 171 00:09:23,640 --> 00:09:26,200 Speaker 1: year two, they've got the players that they want, the 172 00:09:26,200 --> 00:09:28,559 Speaker 1: players that they kept, and then players that they brought 173 00:09:28,600 --> 00:09:31,280 Speaker 1: in that they hope can upgrade all three levels. 174 00:09:31,559 --> 00:09:34,160 Speaker 3: And truthfully, I would still think that we're still a 175 00:09:34,240 --> 00:09:37,679 Speaker 3: year off from really seeing what they would want, and 176 00:09:37,720 --> 00:09:40,280 Speaker 3: that would if I go into more deep, more detail, 177 00:09:40,320 --> 00:09:42,280 Speaker 3: that would jump the gun on one of your questions 178 00:09:42,280 --> 00:09:44,559 Speaker 3: about a position group. So I'll leave it at that 179 00:09:44,720 --> 00:09:45,840 Speaker 3: until you asked me the next. 180 00:09:45,679 --> 00:09:51,120 Speaker 1: Okay, position battle to watch and it can be starting 181 00:09:51,240 --> 00:09:54,640 Speaker 1: job or a rotation piece, because when you really talk 182 00:09:54,640 --> 00:10:00,080 Speaker 1: about the defense, you're rotating every single player outside of 183 00:10:00,080 --> 00:10:02,920 Speaker 1: of Bludebaker doesn't come off the field. Jalen Thompson doesn't 184 00:10:02,920 --> 00:10:05,360 Speaker 1: come off the field. So there's not really a position, right, Yeah, 185 00:10:05,400 --> 00:10:07,920 Speaker 1: there's not a position battle for safety. There's not a 186 00:10:07,960 --> 00:10:10,640 Speaker 1: position battle to have that green dot as far as 187 00:10:10,640 --> 00:10:13,760 Speaker 1: the captain of the defense, but as far as a 188 00:10:13,800 --> 00:10:18,080 Speaker 1: position to pay attention to or hey, who's going to start. 189 00:10:18,640 --> 00:10:22,960 Speaker 3: At xpot the I mean, the low hanging fruit is 190 00:10:23,040 --> 00:10:26,520 Speaker 3: the cornerback position, and that to me is a true battle. 191 00:10:27,240 --> 00:10:30,520 Speaker 3: You bring in Sean Murphy Bunting as your veteran cornerback, 192 00:10:31,600 --> 00:10:35,080 Speaker 3: so I don't envision that being a spot that the 193 00:10:35,120 --> 00:10:37,720 Speaker 3: Cardinals would go and pay big money for a free 194 00:10:37,760 --> 00:10:42,200 Speaker 3: agent like a Stephan Gilmour Justin Simmons, I don't envision 195 00:10:42,240 --> 00:10:45,520 Speaker 3: that you brought in Sewan Murphy Bunting opposite of him is, 196 00:10:47,640 --> 00:10:51,520 Speaker 3: in my opinion, Starling Thomas's position to lose because he 197 00:10:51,640 --> 00:10:54,960 Speaker 3: earned that starting role last year. You've got a rookie 198 00:10:55,000 --> 00:10:57,560 Speaker 3: in Max Melton, though, who is likely to make a 199 00:10:57,600 --> 00:10:59,760 Speaker 3: push for that, and then after the two of them, 200 00:10:59,880 --> 00:11:03,440 Speaker 3: it is fair game. I'm pretty sure. On Cardinals Underground 201 00:11:03,480 --> 00:11:06,599 Speaker 3: earlier this week, Paul said there were a dozen cornerbacks 202 00:11:07,120 --> 00:11:09,800 Speaker 3: on the roster, so I would expect that to be 203 00:11:09,880 --> 00:11:14,599 Speaker 3: a very very heavy position to have some true competition 204 00:11:14,679 --> 00:11:18,120 Speaker 3: battles and seeing a lot of different pairings throughout camp 205 00:11:18,160 --> 00:11:21,400 Speaker 3: and what they like and don't like. And for someone 206 00:11:21,440 --> 00:11:25,560 Speaker 3: like Garrett Williams, who was playing more slot corner, how 207 00:11:25,600 --> 00:11:28,360 Speaker 3: do the pairings outside change if Williams is not on 208 00:11:28,440 --> 00:11:29,920 Speaker 3: the field. I think there's gonna be a lot of 209 00:11:29,960 --> 00:11:33,199 Speaker 3: moving parts. I don't envision Williams moving outside. Doesn't really 210 00:11:33,240 --> 00:11:36,160 Speaker 3: seem like that's what the vision is for him and 211 00:11:36,240 --> 00:11:41,440 Speaker 3: his skill set. And then in terms of rotation, to me, 212 00:11:41,480 --> 00:11:44,200 Speaker 3: it's not much of a competition we're expecting to see. 213 00:11:44,240 --> 00:11:46,439 Speaker 3: I am excited though, to see how it'll shake out 214 00:11:46,440 --> 00:11:49,800 Speaker 3: with your starting defensive line and there's just such a 215 00:11:49,880 --> 00:11:55,880 Speaker 3: heavy veteran presence and it's so much more formidable. I'm like, 216 00:11:55,960 --> 00:11:58,480 Speaker 3: they're a scary bunch in the best way possible. That's 217 00:11:58,480 --> 00:12:01,280 Speaker 3: what I want out of a defensive line. I don't 218 00:12:01,440 --> 00:12:04,920 Speaker 3: envision someone like a Darius Robinson as a rookie coming 219 00:12:05,000 --> 00:12:08,280 Speaker 3: and starting. I see that more as maybe third down 220 00:12:08,440 --> 00:12:10,080 Speaker 3: or kind of getting his feet wet and then as 221 00:12:10,160 --> 00:12:14,680 Speaker 3: season goes on, having a more significant role with the rotation. 222 00:12:15,400 --> 00:12:17,840 Speaker 3: But I'm curious to see if we're gonna what the 223 00:12:17,840 --> 00:12:20,760 Speaker 3: front it's going to look like your starters besides Justin 224 00:12:20,840 --> 00:12:24,120 Speaker 3: Jones of Balon Nichols, are you going to need? How 225 00:12:24,120 --> 00:12:26,480 Speaker 3: many more D linemen are you going to need? If 226 00:12:26,520 --> 00:12:28,440 Speaker 3: it's one, if it's two, who's that going to be? 227 00:12:28,559 --> 00:12:31,319 Speaker 3: How do your outside linebackers fit in with that? How 228 00:12:31,320 --> 00:12:33,480 Speaker 3: many line are you having Mac Wilson out there with 229 00:12:33,600 --> 00:12:36,920 Speaker 3: Kaiser White? So that's a lot of what your bigger 230 00:12:36,920 --> 00:12:40,000 Speaker 3: picture is is what is what's your base defense going 231 00:12:40,040 --> 00:12:42,000 Speaker 3: to look like? And that's more of an excitement with 232 00:12:42,040 --> 00:12:45,000 Speaker 3: the rotation with the D line. To me, the real 233 00:12:45,160 --> 00:12:48,120 Speaker 3: only competition battle you're going to see is with your cornerbacks. 234 00:12:48,240 --> 00:12:52,040 Speaker 1: I agree, because you have Sean Murphy bunting on one side. 235 00:12:52,480 --> 00:12:56,640 Speaker 1: Who's the guy opposite? And yes, Scarett Williams is listed 236 00:12:56,800 --> 00:12:59,920 Speaker 1: on the cornerback depth chart. We see him though can 237 00:13:00,000 --> 00:13:02,960 Speaker 1: assistantly work with the safety group. He's going to be 238 00:13:03,040 --> 00:13:05,040 Speaker 1: on the field. Just how much is he going to 239 00:13:05,040 --> 00:13:07,679 Speaker 1: be on the field? And I do believe that he's 240 00:13:07,720 --> 00:13:11,199 Speaker 1: going to be more of an inside slot corner. So 241 00:13:11,280 --> 00:13:15,280 Speaker 1: who's the other outside corner opposite Murphy Bunting. Is it 242 00:13:15,600 --> 00:13:18,600 Speaker 1: Starling Thomas who had seven starts a year ago? Keith 243 00:13:18,600 --> 00:13:21,839 Speaker 1: trou Clark also seven starts a year ago, but didn't 244 00:13:21,840 --> 00:13:24,720 Speaker 1: play a single defensive snap. The last four games of 245 00:13:24,800 --> 00:13:28,240 Speaker 1: last season also saw Devod Wilson get a start a 246 00:13:28,320 --> 00:13:32,880 Speaker 1: year ago. But then you add three draft picks, Max Melton, 247 00:13:33,200 --> 00:13:38,480 Speaker 1: Elijah Jones, Jaden Davis and Melton and Jones second and 248 00:13:38,600 --> 00:13:42,120 Speaker 1: third round picks, respectively. If you're a day two pick 249 00:13:42,559 --> 00:13:45,840 Speaker 1: on that second and third round, there's an expectation for 250 00:13:45,880 --> 00:13:48,959 Speaker 1: you to play, maybe not start right away, but you 251 00:13:49,120 --> 00:13:51,480 Speaker 1: will have if you've earned it, you will have a 252 00:13:51,559 --> 00:13:53,840 Speaker 1: uniform and you should be a part of that rotation. 253 00:13:54,400 --> 00:13:57,040 Speaker 1: Do we see that second cornerback spot more of a 254 00:13:57,160 --> 00:14:01,000 Speaker 1: rotation depending on down distance and what's going on with 255 00:14:01,040 --> 00:14:04,760 Speaker 1: that particular opponent, or does someone step up and say no, 256 00:14:05,360 --> 00:14:09,440 Speaker 1: it's mine my job to lose. And is that someone 257 00:14:09,440 --> 00:14:11,320 Speaker 1: who was here a year ago or is it someone 258 00:14:11,400 --> 00:14:11,880 Speaker 1: brand new? 259 00:14:12,320 --> 00:14:14,600 Speaker 3: And that's what's interesting is how many times do we 260 00:14:14,679 --> 00:14:16,400 Speaker 3: see a player on either side of the ball that 261 00:14:16,480 --> 00:14:20,000 Speaker 3: stands out at training camp crag and starts on the 262 00:14:20,000 --> 00:14:22,560 Speaker 3: practice squad or doesn't see a lot of playing time. 263 00:14:22,560 --> 00:14:25,680 Speaker 3: There's so much that's going to be going on that 264 00:14:25,760 --> 00:14:28,640 Speaker 3: we are not going to see or even at least 265 00:14:28,720 --> 00:14:31,000 Speaker 3: understand what the expectation is for that player, for that 266 00:14:31,040 --> 00:14:33,520 Speaker 3: position group from the coaching staff. So I am excited 267 00:14:34,000 --> 00:14:36,280 Speaker 3: to see that group, especially knowing the wide receivers they're 268 00:14:36,320 --> 00:14:38,560 Speaker 3: going to be getting reps against every day and having 269 00:14:38,680 --> 00:14:41,360 Speaker 3: Kyler Murray out there throwing to those receivers. I think 270 00:14:41,360 --> 00:14:43,520 Speaker 3: it's really the position battle is really going to be 271 00:14:43,600 --> 00:14:45,640 Speaker 3: elevated in a fun way to see this year. 272 00:14:45,720 --> 00:14:48,480 Speaker 1: And then what happens during practice versus what we see 273 00:14:48,600 --> 00:14:51,840 Speaker 1: during preseason games versus what we see during maybe week 274 00:14:51,880 --> 00:14:54,160 Speaker 1: one in week two, And is there a shift because 275 00:14:54,640 --> 00:14:58,080 Speaker 1: the level of competition amps up from practice to preseason 276 00:14:58,120 --> 00:15:01,120 Speaker 1: to regular season and out of the you've got Josh 277 00:15:01,120 --> 00:15:04,160 Speaker 1: Allen week one, how do you handle that on the road? 278 00:15:04,560 --> 00:15:06,520 Speaker 1: And as an adjustment needed to be made as far 279 00:15:06,560 --> 00:15:10,440 Speaker 1: as who's that other guy opposite Sean Murphy bunting. So again, 280 00:15:10,480 --> 00:15:13,640 Speaker 1: I think we're so far in agreement here on what 281 00:15:13,760 --> 00:15:15,800 Speaker 1: we're hoping to see or what we would like to 282 00:15:15,840 --> 00:15:18,880 Speaker 1: see respect with respects to the defense. Now the other 283 00:15:19,120 --> 00:15:23,600 Speaker 1: category position group with the most intrigue, and I think 284 00:15:23,680 --> 00:15:25,160 Speaker 1: we're without. 285 00:15:25,840 --> 00:15:27,480 Speaker 3: I don't think we're gonna have the same one, Okay. 286 00:15:27,520 --> 00:15:28,960 Speaker 1: I think I was gonna try to read your mind 287 00:15:29,000 --> 00:15:32,120 Speaker 1: and position group overall that we would have an agreement. 288 00:15:32,440 --> 00:15:34,240 Speaker 3: Why don't you say what you think I'm gonna say? 289 00:15:34,560 --> 00:15:35,200 Speaker 1: Outside line? 290 00:15:35,440 --> 00:15:38,720 Speaker 3: Oh wow, look at that, no rust whatsoever for us, 291 00:15:38,760 --> 00:15:42,160 Speaker 3: Craig obviously what I was mentioning, there is intrigue with 292 00:15:42,200 --> 00:15:47,240 Speaker 3: the defensive linement for a different reason from your pass rushers. 293 00:15:49,040 --> 00:15:53,400 Speaker 3: That was the one position group that really was not touched. 294 00:15:53,880 --> 00:15:57,800 Speaker 3: He drafted Xavier Thomas and that was it to a 295 00:15:57,800 --> 00:16:00,160 Speaker 3: certain extent. I do think the staff likes but what 296 00:16:00,360 --> 00:16:04,000 Speaker 3: they have in the players that are returning and having 297 00:16:04,080 --> 00:16:07,760 Speaker 3: expectations for them and goals and standards that they feel 298 00:16:07,760 --> 00:16:10,280 Speaker 3: can be met. I think it's going to be eyes 299 00:16:10,440 --> 00:16:15,320 Speaker 3: on your outside linebackers all year because you have draft 300 00:16:15,320 --> 00:16:19,560 Speaker 3: picks that you are going to be developing in your secondary. 301 00:16:20,000 --> 00:16:23,800 Speaker 3: You paid not an insane amount, right, it wasn't a lot, 302 00:16:23,880 --> 00:16:26,200 Speaker 3: but you signed a lot of your free agents for 303 00:16:26,280 --> 00:16:28,960 Speaker 3: two or three year deals, which tells me, okay, you 304 00:16:29,000 --> 00:16:33,040 Speaker 3: want to have some sort of anchor there. So to me, 305 00:16:33,480 --> 00:16:36,760 Speaker 3: outside linebacker, I mean calling it right now, before this 306 00:16:36,800 --> 00:16:39,320 Speaker 3: season even starts, that's probably going to be one of 307 00:16:39,320 --> 00:16:41,800 Speaker 3: the top positions that's going to be looked at next offseason. 308 00:16:41,880 --> 00:16:43,640 Speaker 3: So I feel like it's going to be that room 309 00:16:43,680 --> 00:16:47,880 Speaker 3: against themselves in terms of, you know, we're we're moving 310 00:16:48,000 --> 00:16:50,800 Speaker 3: as a team, and as a defense, you need to 311 00:16:50,840 --> 00:16:53,080 Speaker 3: show us that you can do it. I do think 312 00:16:53,120 --> 00:16:55,760 Speaker 3: that this front office and coaching staff has put that 313 00:16:55,800 --> 00:16:59,120 Speaker 3: position group in a spot to be more successful this 314 00:16:59,240 --> 00:17:03,040 Speaker 3: year with addressing the other needs on the defense of 315 00:17:03,120 --> 00:17:07,320 Speaker 3: having a more stout defensive line to be more formidable 316 00:17:07,359 --> 00:17:10,360 Speaker 3: and stopping the run, and then really focusing in your 317 00:17:10,400 --> 00:17:12,879 Speaker 3: secondary and forcing your quarterback to hang on to the 318 00:17:12,880 --> 00:17:15,280 Speaker 3: ball a little more. So I do think that there 319 00:17:15,320 --> 00:17:19,560 Speaker 3: are opportunities to see this outside linebackers group really flourish, 320 00:17:20,080 --> 00:17:22,440 Speaker 3: especially a player like b j o Jalari, who's going 321 00:17:22,440 --> 00:17:24,960 Speaker 3: into year two but his first full off season because 322 00:17:25,000 --> 00:17:27,640 Speaker 3: he was rehabbing last year. That's a name that has 323 00:17:27,640 --> 00:17:30,760 Speaker 3: been brought up multiple times throughout the offseason by players 324 00:17:30,760 --> 00:17:33,040 Speaker 3: and coaches of somebody to keep an eye out for 325 00:17:33,080 --> 00:17:35,160 Speaker 3: who's put on a little bit of weight and gotten 326 00:17:35,160 --> 00:17:40,280 Speaker 3: a little stronger. So I do expect to see growth 327 00:17:40,280 --> 00:17:44,159 Speaker 3: from that room and to see more productivity. But that 328 00:17:44,320 --> 00:17:47,160 Speaker 3: is an intriguing group to me because it's very clear 329 00:17:47,200 --> 00:17:49,919 Speaker 3: that was the one spot really not focused on the 330 00:17:49,960 --> 00:17:53,320 Speaker 3: defense in terms of big free agency signings. You didn't 331 00:17:53,320 --> 00:17:55,600 Speaker 3: pick up zab and Collins fifth year option. It just 332 00:17:56,119 --> 00:17:59,679 Speaker 3: it feels like a prove it year for that entire room. 333 00:18:00,119 --> 00:18:05,119 Speaker 1: Defensively, it was the one position group and area of 334 00:18:05,480 --> 00:18:08,560 Speaker 1: need to be addressed going into the offseason. How do 335 00:18:08,600 --> 00:18:11,240 Speaker 1: you develop? How do you get more pressure on the 336 00:18:11,280 --> 00:18:14,720 Speaker 1: opposing quarterback? You were darned near the bottom as far 337 00:18:14,800 --> 00:18:18,640 Speaker 1: as sacks by your defense. Now, sacks don't always tell 338 00:18:18,640 --> 00:18:21,720 Speaker 1: the story, but how many times did that quarterback just 339 00:18:21,760 --> 00:18:23,639 Speaker 1: have so much time in the pocket there was hardly 340 00:18:24,080 --> 00:18:28,280 Speaker 1: any pressure. So we all put outside linebacker edge rusher 341 00:18:28,400 --> 00:18:30,400 Speaker 1: top of the list. As far as to be addressed, 342 00:18:31,160 --> 00:18:35,840 Speaker 1: wasn't addressed in free agency. Was addressed day three though 343 00:18:36,400 --> 00:18:39,480 Speaker 1: in the draft with Xavier Thomas. But other than that, 344 00:18:40,280 --> 00:18:44,640 Speaker 1: everyone is back and is it year two for Xavi 345 00:18:44,720 --> 00:18:48,680 Speaker 1: and Collins second full year as an outside linebacker? Is 346 00:18:48,720 --> 00:18:52,040 Speaker 1: it year two for bj Jolari? Is it Dennis Gardeck 347 00:18:52,080 --> 00:18:56,440 Speaker 1: becoming more comfortable. But like what you said, they couldn't 348 00:18:56,480 --> 00:19:01,000 Speaker 1: afford or chose not to upgrade every single position groups. 349 00:19:01,040 --> 00:19:05,439 Speaker 1: All Right, who's available this year versus the coming years? 350 00:19:05,720 --> 00:19:09,679 Speaker 1: What does the draft look like. Let's focus on defensive line, 351 00:19:09,840 --> 00:19:12,880 Speaker 1: let's focus on secondary, and if you prove those two 352 00:19:12,960 --> 00:19:15,720 Speaker 1: position groups, then all of a sudden, you would hope 353 00:19:15,920 --> 00:19:19,560 Speaker 1: you would think make the connection that, okay, we should 354 00:19:19,600 --> 00:19:22,800 Speaker 1: be able to get home better because the interior, the 355 00:19:22,840 --> 00:19:25,639 Speaker 1: pressure up the middle is better and the coverage and 356 00:19:25,720 --> 00:19:29,280 Speaker 1: the secondary has improved, forcing that quarterback to hang onto 357 00:19:29,320 --> 00:19:32,800 Speaker 1: the ball, allowing as Zeven Collins, Bjo Jalari or whomever 358 00:19:33,040 --> 00:19:34,040 Speaker 1: to get to the quarterback. 359 00:19:34,160 --> 00:19:37,560 Speaker 3: I like that philosophy of strengthening this team and the 360 00:19:37,600 --> 00:19:41,439 Speaker 3: trickle down effect. What good is having, you know, a 361 00:19:41,480 --> 00:19:45,399 Speaker 3: blue trip outside linebacker if the quarterback is able to 362 00:19:45,480 --> 00:19:47,480 Speaker 3: get the ball out on point two seconds because you 363 00:19:47,480 --> 00:19:50,480 Speaker 3: don't have any tight coverage and they've got your opposing 364 00:19:50,520 --> 00:19:52,679 Speaker 3: quarterback's got a wide open receiver, right, or they can 365 00:19:52,760 --> 00:19:55,320 Speaker 3: just run the ball down your throats, right. So I 366 00:19:55,600 --> 00:19:59,119 Speaker 3: like the approach of really strengthening your front and your 367 00:19:59,160 --> 00:20:01,560 Speaker 3: back end of your defense and let's see what these 368 00:20:01,760 --> 00:20:03,760 Speaker 3: outside linebackers can pull off this year. 369 00:20:03,880 --> 00:20:05,840 Speaker 1: It is a position group that I think is going 370 00:20:05,880 --> 00:20:10,640 Speaker 1: to be on notice, whether publicly or privately, because if 371 00:20:10,640 --> 00:20:12,800 Speaker 1: you're not cutting it, then that's a room that I 372 00:20:12,800 --> 00:20:16,520 Speaker 1: could see movement. Whether it's significant or not, who knows, 373 00:20:17,160 --> 00:20:19,679 Speaker 1: But that's something to pay attention to as far as 374 00:20:19,720 --> 00:20:22,919 Speaker 1: outside linebacker. Okay, I'm actually feeling pretty good about our 375 00:20:23,000 --> 00:20:25,840 Speaker 1: conversation here, Danny. It's been a few weeks and here 376 00:20:25,840 --> 00:20:28,320 Speaker 1: we are like lockstep right out of the gate. 377 00:20:28,359 --> 00:20:31,680 Speaker 3: Here. There's no vacation, no time off, yes, just time away, right, 378 00:20:31,800 --> 00:20:32,359 Speaker 3: time away. 379 00:20:32,480 --> 00:20:35,440 Speaker 1: To use Will Hernandez's quote, all right, players were most 380 00:20:35,480 --> 00:20:39,040 Speaker 1: excited to see newcomer and returner. Who do you want 381 00:20:39,040 --> 00:20:42,280 Speaker 1: to Which way do you want to start with? Returning player? 382 00:20:42,280 --> 00:20:42,920 Speaker 1: A newcomer? 383 00:20:44,040 --> 00:20:49,080 Speaker 3: Oh I don't know. Why don't you go first? Okay? 384 00:20:49,680 --> 00:20:53,840 Speaker 1: How about and this kind of piggybacks off our most 385 00:20:53,840 --> 00:20:59,120 Speaker 1: recent conversation returning player. I'm most interested to see one. Well, 386 00:20:59,119 --> 00:21:02,359 Speaker 1: we already mentioned him by name. One, he's wearing a 387 00:21:02,400 --> 00:21:06,680 Speaker 1: new number. Two, he's put on weight, b jo Joli. 388 00:21:07,520 --> 00:21:12,080 Speaker 1: Is this the year first full offseason? Is this year 389 00:21:12,080 --> 00:21:16,360 Speaker 1: where he takes that proverbial year one to year two 390 00:21:16,920 --> 00:21:20,560 Speaker 1: jump by everything that we've heard. Dennis Gardak just the 391 00:21:20,600 --> 00:21:22,720 Speaker 1: other day, I think he's going to be a really 392 00:21:22,760 --> 00:21:26,240 Speaker 1: special player now we just need to see it. Because 393 00:21:26,240 --> 00:21:29,840 Speaker 1: he was drafted very high, had four and a half sacks, 394 00:21:30,119 --> 00:21:34,879 Speaker 1: four sacks a year ago. Can you double that? And 395 00:21:34,920 --> 00:21:37,240 Speaker 1: if you don't double it, can do we hear his 396 00:21:37,359 --> 00:21:39,800 Speaker 1: name called by Dave Passion Ron Wolfley on a more 397 00:21:39,840 --> 00:21:43,320 Speaker 1: consistent basis, and not just getting into the backfield, but 398 00:21:43,359 --> 00:21:46,520 Speaker 1: also something that Gannon and Nick Rolis both talked about, 399 00:21:46,960 --> 00:21:50,000 Speaker 1: can he be a three down linebacker as far as 400 00:21:50,600 --> 00:21:54,399 Speaker 1: helping in that run defense, which was certainly needed a 401 00:21:54,520 --> 00:21:57,080 Speaker 1: year ago and you hope is improved this season. 402 00:21:57,680 --> 00:21:59,840 Speaker 3: I'm just gonna say honorable mentioned to Buddha Baker because 403 00:21:59,840 --> 00:22:02,400 Speaker 3: that's he's just always assumed. At this point. I feel 404 00:22:02,400 --> 00:22:04,439 Speaker 3: like we did that a lot leading up to like 405 00:22:04,560 --> 00:22:06,679 Speaker 3: draft talk and stuff. If like, it's not that he 406 00:22:06,720 --> 00:22:10,240 Speaker 3: gets forgotten, it it's just he's he's cemented as a 407 00:22:10,480 --> 00:22:12,159 Speaker 3: Buddha Baker is always whatever. 408 00:22:12,200 --> 00:22:14,800 Speaker 1: The question is that you take him for granted, but 409 00:22:14,840 --> 00:22:17,720 Speaker 1: I think sometimes we do because it's just well, it's 410 00:22:17,760 --> 00:22:19,399 Speaker 1: booted and he'll be there. 411 00:22:19,640 --> 00:22:22,480 Speaker 3: Yes, and when he's there, he's giving two hundred percent. 412 00:22:23,680 --> 00:22:28,200 Speaker 3: I'm going to go with linebacker Kaizer White. I'm excited 413 00:22:28,359 --> 00:22:33,440 Speaker 3: for for Kaizer to make his return. He ended the 414 00:22:33,480 --> 00:22:35,879 Speaker 3: back half of the year hurt. You could see the 415 00:22:35,960 --> 00:22:39,199 Speaker 3: drop off just the defense as a whole, how it 416 00:22:39,320 --> 00:22:42,359 Speaker 3: was conducting itself, the communication, the pace in which they 417 00:22:42,359 --> 00:22:45,240 Speaker 3: were moving. I know he's very excited to be back 418 00:22:45,280 --> 00:22:48,320 Speaker 3: and physically feeling good with that bicep that he tore 419 00:22:48,359 --> 00:22:51,520 Speaker 3: in Houston. So I'm excited for Kaizier to be back 420 00:22:51,560 --> 00:22:53,879 Speaker 3: here and be healthy and be back on the field 421 00:22:53,880 --> 00:22:55,200 Speaker 3: with that green dot calm the defense. 422 00:22:55,440 --> 00:22:58,840 Speaker 1: If I remember correctly, in our end of season awards 423 00:22:59,000 --> 00:23:02,040 Speaker 1: when we talked here on Cardinals Cover two presented by Hyundai, 424 00:23:02,080 --> 00:23:04,879 Speaker 1: proud partner of the Arizona Cardinals, as far as Newcomer 425 00:23:05,000 --> 00:23:08,359 Speaker 1: of the Year, we were once again in agreement that 426 00:23:08,440 --> 00:23:12,000 Speaker 1: it was Kaizer White, did we because I remember that 427 00:23:12,640 --> 00:23:13,720 Speaker 1: I remember. 428 00:23:13,520 --> 00:23:16,119 Speaker 3: Very Yeah, you have a good memory. 429 00:23:16,160 --> 00:23:20,320 Speaker 1: But you're leading tackler despite missing the last six games 430 00:23:20,400 --> 00:23:24,560 Speaker 1: of the regular season. That's how important Kaizer was to 431 00:23:24,600 --> 00:23:27,960 Speaker 1: that defense. And you don't know it until it's gone. 432 00:23:28,280 --> 00:23:30,800 Speaker 1: And when he was gone, it wasn't until the end 433 00:23:30,800 --> 00:23:32,560 Speaker 1: of the season when Agan and said, oh yeah, we 434 00:23:32,720 --> 00:23:34,840 Speaker 1: definitely miss it. No one would admit to it during 435 00:23:34,840 --> 00:23:37,720 Speaker 1: the season, but after the season, oh yeah, we need 436 00:23:37,800 --> 00:23:39,119 Speaker 1: Kaizier on the football field. 437 00:23:39,200 --> 00:23:42,440 Speaker 3: And what two four of those total tackles he had 438 00:23:42,480 --> 00:23:44,719 Speaker 3: with a torn bicep because to him, he thought it 439 00:23:44,760 --> 00:23:47,000 Speaker 3: was a cramp and then realized, oh man, this is 440 00:23:47,040 --> 00:23:50,280 Speaker 3: not what my arm should be feeling like crazy mentality, 441 00:23:50,520 --> 00:23:51,840 Speaker 3: I'm give me more of it. 442 00:23:51,920 --> 00:23:55,840 Speaker 1: I'm very impressed by Kaizer White because he wasn't a 443 00:23:55,960 --> 00:24:00,520 Speaker 1: household name on that Eagles defense, but he come here 444 00:24:00,800 --> 00:24:06,120 Speaker 1: and is the quarterback of the defense as far as 445 00:24:06,359 --> 00:24:09,280 Speaker 1: wearing that green dock making sure everyone is aligned. Yeah, 446 00:24:09,280 --> 00:24:13,360 Speaker 1: Buddha Baker's in the backfield in that secondary, but everything 447 00:24:13,440 --> 00:24:16,920 Speaker 1: starts with Kaisier getting that call from the sideline, relaying 448 00:24:16,960 --> 00:24:19,639 Speaker 1: it to everyone else, and then I'm in agreement with 449 00:24:19,680 --> 00:24:23,359 Speaker 1: you having seen him on the sideline and just forcing 450 00:24:23,440 --> 00:24:25,760 Speaker 1: him to be a spectator. I think he's gonna come 451 00:24:25,760 --> 00:24:29,080 Speaker 1: out of the gates like Gangbusters and really not prove 452 00:24:29,200 --> 00:24:32,359 Speaker 1: anything to anyone, but just say hey, I'm back and 453 00:24:32,400 --> 00:24:34,200 Speaker 1: I'm playing the full seventeen games. 454 00:24:34,320 --> 00:24:36,440 Speaker 3: Like Week one in Washington last year. 455 00:24:37,520 --> 00:24:40,160 Speaker 1: Message since although what was it he was asked about 456 00:24:40,160 --> 00:24:41,800 Speaker 1: at this offseason. I go, no, that's just how I 457 00:24:41,840 --> 00:24:44,639 Speaker 1: play now. There was there was There was a message 458 00:24:44,840 --> 00:24:47,280 Speaker 1: to Sam Howell and the rest of the National Football 459 00:24:47,359 --> 00:24:50,400 Speaker 1: League that now we're gonna we're gonna come, We're gonna 460 00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:52,440 Speaker 1: play hard, we're gonna play physical. 461 00:24:52,520 --> 00:24:55,320 Speaker 3: Referee, Yes, got the message, and. 462 00:24:55,160 --> 00:24:58,040 Speaker 1: It's okay, it's a fifteen yard penalty, but I'm okay 463 00:24:58,080 --> 00:24:58,360 Speaker 1: with that. 464 00:24:59,480 --> 00:25:01,720 Speaker 3: But his name noticing, Yeah, all. 465 00:25:01,680 --> 00:25:05,080 Speaker 1: Right, so that's returning player. How about newcomer? And this 466 00:25:05,119 --> 00:25:09,679 Speaker 1: could be free agent, right draft pick someone else, someone 467 00:25:09,760 --> 00:25:13,320 Speaker 1: completely off the radar. Hmmm. 468 00:25:16,920 --> 00:25:20,840 Speaker 3: I would probably say, like Justin Jones has just been 469 00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:26,199 Speaker 3: really intriguing to me, being able to especially being so 470 00:25:26,320 --> 00:25:29,960 Speaker 3: up close and personal with where the d lineman practice 471 00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:32,960 Speaker 3: out here on the field and where the media stands, 472 00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:37,600 Speaker 3: which is literally right there. Just the energy and the 473 00:25:37,680 --> 00:25:40,720 Speaker 3: knowledge that he's bringing, especially paired with Balone Nichols, and 474 00:25:40,760 --> 00:25:43,200 Speaker 3: they have a long history together going back to what 475 00:25:43,320 --> 00:25:45,560 Speaker 3: they were going through the draft process together, and to 476 00:25:45,560 --> 00:25:49,280 Speaker 3: bring the two of them in just nasty. I mean, 477 00:25:49,320 --> 00:25:51,960 Speaker 3: you can tell that they want to go out there 478 00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:54,320 Speaker 3: and they want to beat some people up and I 479 00:25:54,440 --> 00:25:58,960 Speaker 3: think they're really going to add things that we're missing 480 00:25:59,119 --> 00:26:01,240 Speaker 3: when it comes to being able to stop the run 481 00:26:01,359 --> 00:26:05,040 Speaker 3: and set the tone up front for this defense. So 482 00:26:05,119 --> 00:26:08,399 Speaker 3: I'm excited to see Justin Jones in action and have 483 00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:11,160 Speaker 3: some pads on and rough a couple guys up. 484 00:26:11,440 --> 00:26:13,760 Speaker 1: I can't wait for the first miked up segment with 485 00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:16,439 Speaker 1: Justin Jones, and hopefully he agrees to be miked up, 486 00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:18,919 Speaker 1: because I do think he seems to be one of 487 00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:23,639 Speaker 1: those guys again, very limited time around him, well spoken, 488 00:26:24,119 --> 00:26:27,720 Speaker 1: but calm and the media setting, But what happens when 489 00:26:27,720 --> 00:26:30,000 Speaker 1: he's on that football field and then having his good 490 00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:32,760 Speaker 1: friend below Nichols right next to him, the two of them, 491 00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:36,840 Speaker 1: how well do they mesh together? Good friends off the field, 492 00:26:37,119 --> 00:26:40,240 Speaker 1: how much of a force can they be as teammates. 493 00:26:40,800 --> 00:26:43,199 Speaker 1: I do think we'll see a lot of rotation on 494 00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:45,280 Speaker 1: that defensive line, but more times than I think you're 495 00:26:45,280 --> 00:26:48,800 Speaker 1: gonna see Justin Jones and Nichols on that field for 496 00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:53,000 Speaker 1: the majority of snaps, maybe more so than we're used to. Again, 497 00:26:53,040 --> 00:26:56,080 Speaker 1: it's only been one year with Nick Rollis's defensive coordinator, 498 00:26:56,119 --> 00:27:00,000 Speaker 1: but you paid both of them a lot of money. 499 00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:01,440 Speaker 1: Need to be on the football. 500 00:27:01,080 --> 00:27:03,880 Speaker 3: Field agreed, all right, it was hard. I mean still 501 00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:05,760 Speaker 3: m I Z for Darius Robinson. Is that your pick? 502 00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:07,800 Speaker 1: It is not? 503 00:27:08,119 --> 00:27:14,159 Speaker 3: Ah, okay Mac Wilson, although I guess I need I 504 00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:15,840 Speaker 3: need to say that again Mac Wilson Senior. 505 00:27:16,800 --> 00:27:21,720 Speaker 1: And the reason is because I just I wonder where 506 00:27:21,760 --> 00:27:25,040 Speaker 1: he's going to line up, because when he was first 507 00:27:25,080 --> 00:27:27,400 Speaker 1: signed is like, Okay, now he's paired with Kaizer White. 508 00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:30,800 Speaker 1: You get your second inside linebacker. There you go. But 509 00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:33,600 Speaker 1: then you do more research and you hear from him, 510 00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:37,000 Speaker 1: You hear from his teammates and his coaches, and you 511 00:27:37,119 --> 00:27:40,960 Speaker 1: keep hearing that word versatility, and then you see what 512 00:27:41,040 --> 00:27:43,159 Speaker 1: he did a year ago, late last season with the 513 00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:46,080 Speaker 1: New England Patriots and the ability to get to the 514 00:27:46,160 --> 00:27:49,600 Speaker 1: quarterback three and a half sacks, a career high for him. 515 00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:53,320 Speaker 1: Do we see him, Yes, he's lined up next to Kayzer, 516 00:27:54,280 --> 00:27:57,840 Speaker 1: but is he moving forward or is he moving back 517 00:27:57,960 --> 00:28:01,359 Speaker 1: or staying put? I think you might see Mac in 518 00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:04,760 Speaker 1: a number of different spots on the football field and 519 00:28:04,840 --> 00:28:07,480 Speaker 1: kind of be that jack of all trades kind of 520 00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:12,440 Speaker 1: player wherever he is needed for that particular play, he's 521 00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:15,159 Speaker 1: going to be around. Because I do think he'll be 522 00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:18,000 Speaker 1: on the football field now could be at the expense 523 00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:22,359 Speaker 1: of another outside linebacker or another dB or another defensive lineman. 524 00:28:23,119 --> 00:28:27,240 Speaker 1: But I'm intrigued and curious on how much how much 525 00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:31,200 Speaker 1: he plays. But where we see mac Wilson on the football. 526 00:28:30,840 --> 00:28:34,199 Speaker 3: Field, Yeah, that's a good one, very versatile. He had 527 00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:37,080 Speaker 3: told me in that first interview after signing here that 528 00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:40,920 Speaker 3: he just considers himself a football player when talking about 529 00:28:41,360 --> 00:28:43,440 Speaker 3: where he wants to play, where he feels comfortable, He's like, 530 00:28:43,480 --> 00:28:45,320 Speaker 3: I'll play anywhere. I'm just football player. 531 00:28:45,360 --> 00:28:48,040 Speaker 1: And he's been given an opportunity here that I don't 532 00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:50,640 Speaker 1: know if he had in New England only one start 533 00:28:50,760 --> 00:28:53,760 Speaker 1: last season. He's going to start a handful of games, 534 00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:56,200 Speaker 1: maybe more than just a handful of games. Again, when 535 00:28:56,200 --> 00:28:58,720 Speaker 1: he says starting, it's just the first nap of the game. 536 00:28:59,240 --> 00:29:01,920 Speaker 1: So if the offense is first and goal at the one, 537 00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:06,920 Speaker 1: maybe you don't see Buddha Baker or Max Wilson on 538 00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:09,080 Speaker 1: the football field. But and then you look at like, 539 00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:11,200 Speaker 1: oh he missed his start. Well, okay, let's it's the 540 00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:14,680 Speaker 1: first snap of the game. Go to snap count. How 541 00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:17,680 Speaker 1: many times is mac Wilson up in the eighty percent, 542 00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:21,400 Speaker 1: ninety one hundred percent? Can he reach that Kaizer White, 543 00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:24,840 Speaker 1: Buddha Baker, Jalen Thompson status. I don't know, but that's 544 00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:28,120 Speaker 1: one player that you saw enough of him late last 545 00:29:28,120 --> 00:29:32,200 Speaker 1: season and you hear from Patriots fans they did not 546 00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:36,400 Speaker 1: want him to leave, and it was Max's decision to 547 00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:42,280 Speaker 1: come to the Cardinals. So again it's it's early, but 548 00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:45,880 Speaker 1: here we are, Danny. It's it's a week out and 549 00:29:45,920 --> 00:29:48,120 Speaker 1: then it goes by very quick because before you know, 550 00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:50,600 Speaker 1: it's gonna be week one and I can be asking 551 00:29:50,600 --> 00:29:52,000 Speaker 1: you about the weather in Buffalo. 552 00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:55,880 Speaker 3: I mean, we've looked out. I mean last year I 553 00:29:55,960 --> 00:29:58,360 Speaker 3: was nervous because we had a lot of November December 554 00:29:58,400 --> 00:30:02,680 Speaker 3: games and cold weather places did not have roofs. Buffalo 555 00:30:02,800 --> 00:30:05,400 Speaker 3: and green because green Bay technically October. It is right 556 00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:06,800 Speaker 3: because we go to Buffalo and then we have three 557 00:30:06,800 --> 00:30:09,840 Speaker 3: home games. Yes, right, but that's not bad for Green 558 00:30:09,880 --> 00:30:12,600 Speaker 3: Bay or Buffalo. And then Miami. The fact that Miami's 559 00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:17,800 Speaker 3: not not in September is incredible news. Hope I don't 560 00:30:17,800 --> 00:30:18,960 Speaker 3: have I don't have. I hope. I don't have a 561 00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:20,080 Speaker 3: lot of complaints about the weather. 562 00:30:20,320 --> 00:30:23,000 Speaker 1: It should be good. It's like scan the schedule, and again, 563 00:30:23,040 --> 00:30:24,640 Speaker 1: you never know what you're gonna get out of Seattle. 564 00:30:24,680 --> 00:30:27,040 Speaker 1: But that's you know, that's that's all. That's a division team, 565 00:30:27,120 --> 00:30:30,360 Speaker 1: so you can't really control that. But yeah, the Buffalo trip, 566 00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:32,400 Speaker 1: the Green Bay trip, the Miami trip. 567 00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:33,200 Speaker 3: Minnesota's inside. 568 00:30:33,360 --> 00:30:37,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, not bad Carolina, potentially. I don't know. 569 00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:38,880 Speaker 3: A nice job on your mail bag filling in for 570 00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:41,760 Speaker 3: Darren Urburann. He decided to take time away, time away. 571 00:30:42,440 --> 00:30:45,000 Speaker 1: Now did you get time off or time away? I mean, 572 00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:47,880 Speaker 1: I think Darren's moving. Darren guarantee he was time away. 573 00:30:48,120 --> 00:30:52,320 Speaker 3: He was actually pretty good though, not being on his 574 00:30:52,520 --> 00:30:53,960 Speaker 3: phone or a couple. 575 00:30:53,800 --> 00:30:55,160 Speaker 1: Of messages from him. 576 00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:58,280 Speaker 3: Those I got some email from Darren and I responded, 577 00:30:58,320 --> 00:31:01,360 Speaker 3: I said, respectfully, stop up emailing me, you are out 578 00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:04,160 Speaker 3: of the country. He did not respond to that, so 579 00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:06,920 Speaker 3: I hope he. I hope that one didn't push his 580 00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:07,479 Speaker 3: buttons too much. 581 00:31:07,520 --> 00:31:11,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, the mailbag is different. It's fun. You and I 582 00:31:11,040 --> 00:31:13,479 Speaker 1: and Zach Gershman also kind of getting a hand in 583 00:31:13,520 --> 00:31:15,200 Speaker 1: that to give Darren a little bit of a break. 584 00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:18,840 Speaker 1: And uh, I don't know if we're as opinionated or 585 00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:21,400 Speaker 1: as sassy as Darren is on some of his responses, 586 00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:24,600 Speaker 1: but every now and then someone will push our button 587 00:31:24,600 --> 00:31:26,000 Speaker 1: and you get a response. 588 00:31:25,600 --> 00:31:29,760 Speaker 3: And okay, So if you're listening and you asked a question, thanks, Yes. 589 00:31:30,320 --> 00:31:32,240 Speaker 1: If you missed any of them, just go to asycardinals 590 00:31:32,280 --> 00:31:34,880 Speaker 1: dot com. All the mail bags are right there and 591 00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:36,240 Speaker 1: best news. 592 00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:39,680 Speaker 3: Cover two's not going anywhere during training camp, No, because 593 00:31:39,680 --> 00:31:40,960 Speaker 3: why would we? Of course not. 594 00:31:41,240 --> 00:31:43,960 Speaker 1: In fact, we might even ramp up some of the 595 00:31:44,680 --> 00:31:48,640 Speaker 1: frequency depending on what's going on that particular day. First 596 00:31:48,680 --> 00:31:52,040 Speaker 1: padded practice, I believe is a second week. We are 597 00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:55,000 Speaker 1: out at State Farms Datium because they get five or 598 00:31:55,040 --> 00:31:56,840 Speaker 1: six days ramp up period and then you can put 599 00:31:56,880 --> 00:31:58,800 Speaker 1: the pads on. That's always exciting. 600 00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:01,480 Speaker 3: You're the only person who is happy that training camp 601 00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:03,600 Speaker 3: is a state from stadium because you're the only person 602 00:32:03,640 --> 00:32:09,120 Speaker 3: who lives within a twenty minute yes distance of the stadium. 603 00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:11,520 Speaker 1: It was one year when the Cardinals had the Hall 604 00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:13,680 Speaker 1: of Fame game and they were in training camp for 605 00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:14,479 Speaker 1: five weeks. 606 00:32:14,840 --> 00:32:17,600 Speaker 3: I'm sure that was amazing for you, no one else, no. 607 00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:20,640 Speaker 1: One else, but best for me. All Right, Well, it's 608 00:32:20,880 --> 00:32:23,920 Speaker 1: it's good again. I'm glad we're that the time off 609 00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:26,800 Speaker 1: that we had didn't affect the chemistry of the fact 610 00:32:26,840 --> 00:32:28,120 Speaker 1: that we see things pretty much. 611 00:32:29,320 --> 00:32:31,840 Speaker 3: I die or the A team. Craig, it's true. 612 00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:34,600 Speaker 1: By the way, you can clip that part and make 613 00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:36,720 Speaker 1: sure that that gets into the right. 614 00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:41,680 Speaker 3: Oh man, I'm hoping I had a clean off season 615 00:32:41,760 --> 00:32:47,400 Speaker 3: in terms of bites for Cody and Omo to clip. 616 00:32:49,320 --> 00:32:51,040 Speaker 3: But he's got a really big smile on the side 617 00:32:51,040 --> 00:32:53,000 Speaker 3: of the glass, so I'm thinking maybe my off season 618 00:32:53,040 --> 00:32:54,520 Speaker 3: was not as clean as I think it is. 619 00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:59,800 Speaker 1: First preseason game August tenth against NFL Kickoff show will 620 00:32:59,800 --> 00:33:03,400 Speaker 1: be a lot of fun. And on that note, we'll 621 00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:05,720 Speaker 1: put a lid on this edition of Cardinals Cover two, 622 00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:09,360 Speaker 1: presented by Hyundai, probably partner of the Arizona Cardinals. As always, 623 00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:13,320 Speaker 1: special thanks the aforementioned Cody Fincher, our associate producer, and 624 00:33:13,360 --> 00:33:16,720 Speaker 1: of course cannot forget our executive producer, Jim Omahundro or 625 00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:20,120 Speaker 1: Danny Sirek. I'm Craig Riolu. Next stop training Camp. We'll 626 00:33:20,120 --> 00:33:22,480 Speaker 1: talk to you next time here on Cardinals Cover two.