1 00:00:00,520 --> 00:00:04,240 Speaker 1: This is Bloomberg Business of Sports. The cold heart truth 2 00:00:04,280 --> 00:00:07,880 Speaker 1: about the Olympic journey is not really been financially incentivize 3 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:10,480 Speaker 1: in the same way that many of the professional sports are. 4 00:00:10,760 --> 00:00:13,880 Speaker 1: This is a basketball involved dB A, will bolls our 5 00:00:14,000 --> 00:00:17,080 Speaker 1: licensing arm think for fifty All of those things will 6 00:00:17,160 --> 00:00:19,800 Speaker 1: make up what that looks like money in sports. It's 7 00:00:19,880 --> 00:00:22,160 Speaker 1: one of the reasons why I enjoyed you on money 8 00:00:22,160 --> 00:00:23,840 Speaker 1: that I countdown. Lets talk about some of the more 9 00:00:23,880 --> 00:00:27,360 Speaker 1: interesting aspects of business of sports. When you talk in sports, 10 00:00:27,440 --> 00:00:30,920 Speaker 1: discipline is the bridge from being good to ultimately being 11 00:00:31,040 --> 00:00:33,280 Speaker 1: great at whatever it is that you're trying to be 12 00:00:33,320 --> 00:00:36,840 Speaker 1: your accomplished as your profession. Bloomberg Business of Sports from 13 00:00:36,880 --> 00:00:42,000 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Radio. Welcome to the Bloomberg Business of Sports podcast, 14 00:00:42,040 --> 00:00:43,840 Speaker 1: where we explore the big money issues in the world 15 00:00:43,840 --> 00:00:47,320 Speaker 1: of sports. Michael Barr, I'm Scarlett So and I'm Bamian 16 00:00:47,360 --> 00:00:52,839 Speaker 1: Sasaur damiens back yet Lord and we all and we 17 00:00:52,960 --> 00:00:56,800 Speaker 1: have another guess justin wise, Thank you sir, because you 18 00:00:56,920 --> 00:01:00,600 Speaker 1: wrote something very special that we all need to hear about. 19 00:01:00,600 --> 00:01:04,360 Speaker 1: And this is about the Commanders. And you wrote about 20 00:01:04,760 --> 00:01:08,360 Speaker 1: ex Goldman Law chief age Dan Sneyder, owner of the 21 00:01:08,400 --> 00:01:11,960 Speaker 1: commanders and the quest to keep the NFL team. Can 22 00:01:12,000 --> 00:01:15,600 Speaker 1: you take us through that? What because this has really 23 00:01:15,640 --> 00:01:18,440 Speaker 1: become complicated. We got the House wants to have a 24 00:01:18,480 --> 00:01:22,360 Speaker 1: hearing on the team. Take us through what is going 25 00:01:22,440 --> 00:01:25,559 Speaker 1: on because there are a bunch of he said, she said, 26 00:01:25,720 --> 00:01:29,000 Speaker 1: on both sides. Yeah, and thank you very much for 27 00:01:29,080 --> 00:01:32,240 Speaker 1: having me. So, as you mentioned, there's a lot going 28 00:01:32,280 --> 00:01:34,760 Speaker 1: on in this and so my story was trying to 29 00:01:34,840 --> 00:01:38,280 Speaker 1: kind of unpack everything that is going on involving Dan 30 00:01:38,360 --> 00:01:41,240 Speaker 1: Schneider and the Washington football team. Now, a lot of 31 00:01:41,280 --> 00:01:45,240 Speaker 1: that dates back to the summer of when The Washington 32 00:01:45,280 --> 00:01:50,520 Speaker 1: Post began publishing some reports, including allegations from several former 33 00:01:50,520 --> 00:01:55,360 Speaker 1: employees about the organization and it's allegedly toxic work culture. UM. 34 00:01:55,440 --> 00:01:59,040 Speaker 1: That prompted an investigation that was eventually overseen by the 35 00:01:59,160 --> 00:02:03,680 Speaker 1: NFL UM and it ultimately ended with the league slapping 36 00:02:03,680 --> 00:02:06,720 Speaker 1: the team with a ten million dollar fine, required Snyder 37 00:02:06,760 --> 00:02:09,400 Speaker 1: to step back from day to day operations, but UM 38 00:02:09,520 --> 00:02:11,840 Speaker 1: the league did not release a written report on the 39 00:02:11,840 --> 00:02:15,399 Speaker 1: probe's findings, as it's done with other investigations, and Congress 40 00:02:15,480 --> 00:02:19,520 Speaker 1: Last Ball began its own investigation. Since then, the NFL 41 00:02:19,600 --> 00:02:23,400 Speaker 1: has began. Another investigation that began after another accusation of 42 00:02:23,520 --> 00:02:27,440 Speaker 1: sexual misconduct at this time against Dan Schneider specifically came 43 00:02:27,480 --> 00:02:31,520 Speaker 1: from the Congress's investigation, and since then we've had the 44 00:02:31,600 --> 00:02:34,240 Speaker 1: d C in Virginia attorney generals have announced that they're 45 00:02:34,360 --> 00:02:37,520 Speaker 1: doing investigations of their own. So my story was just 46 00:02:37,600 --> 00:02:41,079 Speaker 1: kind of trying to unpack all of this scrutiny that 47 00:02:41,160 --> 00:02:44,239 Speaker 1: Dan Schneider is facing and the lawyers he's he's tasking 48 00:02:44,240 --> 00:02:48,760 Speaker 1: with kind of defending him amid a lot of what 49 00:02:48,760 --> 00:02:51,080 Speaker 1: what you had alluded to earlier is a lot of 50 00:02:51,480 --> 00:02:55,000 Speaker 1: growing scrutiny, and the Congress now is trying to get 51 00:02:55,040 --> 00:02:58,600 Speaker 1: him to testify before the committee in a deposition. Okay, 52 00:02:58,600 --> 00:03:01,440 Speaker 1: I think I counted five to investigations in there, including 53 00:03:01,440 --> 00:03:03,280 Speaker 1: the one that led to the ten million dollar fine, 54 00:03:03,320 --> 00:03:07,320 Speaker 1: and for that uh seemed to be pending or will 55 00:03:07,360 --> 00:03:10,320 Speaker 1: soon take place. So the story in which you wrote 56 00:03:10,400 --> 00:03:14,360 Speaker 1: about Karen Patton Seymour, who was a key figure for 57 00:03:14,400 --> 00:03:17,360 Speaker 1: Goldman Sacks. She helped Goldman settle criminal investigations in the 58 00:03:17,400 --> 00:03:21,880 Speaker 1: one MDB scandal. She is now defending Dan Snyder. Is 59 00:03:21,919 --> 00:03:26,680 Speaker 1: that right against these House accusations. Yeah, that is correct. 60 00:03:26,720 --> 00:03:30,120 Speaker 1: Since February, she's been working as Stan Schneider on his 61 00:03:30,240 --> 00:03:33,440 Speaker 1: legal team. UM, she's been counseling him now. February is 62 00:03:33,480 --> 00:03:37,920 Speaker 1: also the same month that accusation of sexual misconduct against 63 00:03:38,120 --> 00:03:40,640 Speaker 1: Dan Schneider was made, and that prompted the NFL to 64 00:03:40,640 --> 00:03:43,680 Speaker 1: announce that it was going to conduct an independent investigation 65 00:03:43,720 --> 00:03:46,640 Speaker 1: of its own. My reporting suggests that she is counseling 66 00:03:46,680 --> 00:03:49,240 Speaker 1: him on all of the investigations, but she has also 67 00:03:49,640 --> 00:03:54,480 Speaker 1: primarily the She has been UM corresponding with the House 68 00:03:54,920 --> 00:03:58,560 Speaker 1: Committee on Oversight Reform in recent weeks and has been 69 00:03:58,600 --> 00:04:01,800 Speaker 1: going back and forth with them. UM. Most recently she 70 00:04:01,920 --> 00:04:03,760 Speaker 1: was going back and force with them on weather game 71 00:04:03,840 --> 00:04:08,240 Speaker 1: Schnyder would appear voluntarily in in UH hearing that occurred 72 00:04:08,360 --> 00:04:12,080 Speaker 1: in late June. He did not voluntarily appear, and that 73 00:04:12,160 --> 00:04:16,520 Speaker 1: has led to this new cycle. UM. But she has 74 00:04:16,560 --> 00:04:19,320 Speaker 1: been uh coordinating or back and force with the committee 75 00:04:19,360 --> 00:04:21,919 Speaker 1: right now, so justin you know, help me understand this. 76 00:04:22,000 --> 00:04:24,880 Speaker 1: You know. So basically, the NFL conducts, uh, you know, 77 00:04:25,160 --> 00:04:28,680 Speaker 1: an investigation, UH, slaps Dan Snyder on the wrist with 78 00:04:28,720 --> 00:04:31,360 Speaker 1: a ten million dollar fine, you know, forces his wife 79 00:04:31,400 --> 00:04:34,359 Speaker 1: Tanya to take over day to day operations for the 80 00:04:34,360 --> 00:04:38,400 Speaker 1: Washington Commanders. Um, all these allegations against him, I mean, 81 00:04:38,440 --> 00:04:41,839 Speaker 1: doesn't that seem a little bit low? I mean? And why? 82 00:04:42,000 --> 00:04:45,000 Speaker 1: I mean, my goodness, the House conducted an independent panel 83 00:04:45,040 --> 00:04:48,760 Speaker 1: against Dan Snyder. What are they finding that the NFL hasn't? 84 00:04:48,760 --> 00:04:50,320 Speaker 1: I mean, as the NFL dropped the ball here? Is 85 00:04:50,400 --> 00:04:53,360 Speaker 1: Roger Goodell dropped the ball here? Um? Well, I think 86 00:04:53,480 --> 00:04:57,160 Speaker 1: the House investigation, and I think they've been very vocal 87 00:04:57,200 --> 00:05:01,080 Speaker 1: about this, is they wanted to have more transparency on 88 00:05:01,200 --> 00:05:04,040 Speaker 1: the whole thing. I think it's it's at least from 89 00:05:04,080 --> 00:05:07,400 Speaker 1: the sources that I've talked to, there's it's unclear if 90 00:05:07,440 --> 00:05:09,919 Speaker 1: the NFL dropped the ball because there needs to be 91 00:05:09,960 --> 00:05:13,279 Speaker 1: more disclosure. Is at least the feeling from the committee 92 00:05:13,279 --> 00:05:16,559 Speaker 1: and the feeling from lawyers representing some of these former 93 00:05:16,600 --> 00:05:20,280 Speaker 1: employees that there's just even lawyers who are operating, who 94 00:05:20,279 --> 00:05:22,840 Speaker 1: are just observing on the outside are saying it's really 95 00:05:22,880 --> 00:05:26,800 Speaker 1: just unclear right now because there's a need perhaps for 96 00:05:26,880 --> 00:05:30,640 Speaker 1: more disclosure and more understanding of what the initial investigation 97 00:05:30,800 --> 00:05:34,160 Speaker 1: from the NFL found. UM. In other cases in which 98 00:05:34,160 --> 00:05:38,080 Speaker 1: the NFL has conducted some of these investigations, they've released 99 00:05:38,080 --> 00:05:40,719 Speaker 1: a written report in this case, they did not, so 100 00:05:40,880 --> 00:05:43,320 Speaker 1: I think for Congress's sake, I think that was a 101 00:05:43,360 --> 00:05:46,640 Speaker 1: big reason for why they are being so transparent about 102 00:05:46,680 --> 00:05:50,240 Speaker 1: everything that's going on and wanting to scrutinize UH, the 103 00:05:50,279 --> 00:05:53,719 Speaker 1: team and the league further. The committee is is scrutinizing 104 00:05:53,760 --> 00:05:56,359 Speaker 1: the league as well, and if that should be noted um, 105 00:05:56,400 --> 00:05:59,560 Speaker 1: you know, highlighted to Karen Fatt and Seymour. I want 106 00:05:59,560 --> 00:06:02,880 Speaker 1: to verify this just the relationship about what she had 107 00:06:02,920 --> 00:06:07,159 Speaker 1: in the past. She's the same woman who helped convict 108 00:06:07,240 --> 00:06:11,479 Speaker 1: Martha Stewart back in two thousand four on stock trading 109 00:06:12,040 --> 00:06:15,760 Speaker 1: for the investigation involved in that. So if you had 110 00:06:15,800 --> 00:06:19,800 Speaker 1: the check A box, I would check complicated here. She 111 00:06:19,960 --> 00:06:22,760 Speaker 1: has a decorated career. She's also she was at Goldman 112 00:06:22,800 --> 00:06:27,400 Speaker 1: Sachs and was very integral in helping settle the UM. 113 00:06:27,560 --> 00:06:29,680 Speaker 1: She helped settle the probes to the bank's role in 114 00:06:29,960 --> 00:06:33,240 Speaker 1: the biggest form bribery case in US enforcement history. So 115 00:06:33,560 --> 00:06:36,520 Speaker 1: she played a very big part in that as the 116 00:06:36,600 --> 00:06:39,760 Speaker 1: legal chief of Goldman at the time UM, which ended 117 00:06:39,800 --> 00:06:43,480 Speaker 1: with the bank of green penalties that put its overall 118 00:06:43,520 --> 00:06:46,960 Speaker 1: TABIN and more than five billion dollars. So she obviously 119 00:06:47,279 --> 00:06:50,880 Speaker 1: played a very big part in a very big case 120 00:06:51,120 --> 00:06:53,479 Speaker 1: here in the US the last few years. Yeah, and 121 00:06:53,560 --> 00:06:57,080 Speaker 1: this case is promising to be just as complicated and complex. 122 00:06:57,920 --> 00:07:01,320 Speaker 1: Help me understand something here, justin what does the NFL 123 00:07:01,400 --> 00:07:03,680 Speaker 1: want out of this or what? What what is its 124 00:07:03,720 --> 00:07:08,200 Speaker 1: goal here? With Goodell launching another investigation? And I asked 125 00:07:08,200 --> 00:07:11,880 Speaker 1: this because Dan Schneider was the majority owner, but he 126 00:07:11,960 --> 00:07:16,160 Speaker 1: had three minority owners in the team as recently as 127 00:07:16,400 --> 00:07:20,960 Speaker 1: two years ago before they all ended up selling because 128 00:07:20,960 --> 00:07:24,400 Speaker 1: they just wanted to, I guess, get out of the team. Um, 129 00:07:24,440 --> 00:07:27,960 Speaker 1: all the public fighting was taking a toll. Robert Rothman, 130 00:07:28,160 --> 00:07:31,320 Speaker 1: Dwight shar and Fred Smith of fed X, of course, 131 00:07:31,880 --> 00:07:35,560 Speaker 1: were minority owners UM with about a stake, and the 132 00:07:35,680 --> 00:07:39,120 Speaker 1: NFL approved the transfer of those steaks or the sale 133 00:07:39,120 --> 00:07:41,440 Speaker 1: of those stakes to Dansheider and his family, so that 134 00:07:41,480 --> 00:07:43,720 Speaker 1: they now own a hundred percent of the team. What 135 00:07:43,800 --> 00:07:45,840 Speaker 1: does the NFL want? Does it want Dan Schneider to 136 00:07:45,920 --> 00:07:48,000 Speaker 1: keep the team or does it want Dan Shire to 137 00:07:48,080 --> 00:07:50,600 Speaker 1: be forced to sell the team? Well, so Roger Goodell 138 00:07:50,960 --> 00:07:54,000 Speaker 1: testified and the hearing I referenced earlier in which Dan 139 00:07:54,040 --> 00:07:57,960 Speaker 1: Sneider did not testify, and he explicitly stated that he 140 00:07:58,360 --> 00:08:01,920 Speaker 1: believed that Dan Schneider and the team that the penalties 141 00:08:01,920 --> 00:08:04,800 Speaker 1: that were enforced were proper. He said that they were 142 00:08:04,880 --> 00:08:08,600 Speaker 1: unprecedented for what penalties the team faced, and he believed 143 00:08:08,600 --> 00:08:11,960 Speaker 1: that it was a proper punishment. UM. I think Congress 144 00:08:12,000 --> 00:08:14,600 Speaker 1: and its investigation, and some of the investigations that are 145 00:08:14,760 --> 00:08:18,520 Speaker 1: ongoing by the other attorney's general are looking into whether 146 00:08:19,200 --> 00:08:21,840 Speaker 1: it is proper. At the end of the day, the 147 00:08:21,960 --> 00:08:25,920 Speaker 1: NFL's owners um or top officers who appear on an 148 00:08:26,040 --> 00:08:29,600 Speaker 1: executive committee in the NFL, would have the most authority 149 00:08:30,080 --> 00:08:33,120 Speaker 1: over ban Shier's ownership of the team or whether something 150 00:08:33,280 --> 00:08:36,440 Speaker 1: you know that consequential would take place. Roger Goodell has 151 00:08:36,559 --> 00:08:38,920 Speaker 1: reminded the committee last month that he does not have 152 00:08:39,040 --> 00:08:42,079 Speaker 1: the unional unilateral power in that regard. But I think 153 00:08:42,200 --> 00:08:46,800 Speaker 1: these investigations ongoing now suggest that other that Congress and 154 00:08:46,840 --> 00:08:50,000 Speaker 1: perhaps the state attorney general want to scrutinize whether that 155 00:08:50,080 --> 00:08:53,400 Speaker 1: punishment was proper. Justin let's play a what if scenario. 156 00:08:53,480 --> 00:08:57,040 Speaker 1: What if? UM, you know these probes reveals something far 157 00:08:57,080 --> 00:08:59,760 Speaker 1: more alarming. I'm not going to go all Jeff Epstein, 158 00:08:59,880 --> 00:09:01,760 Speaker 1: I you, but let's say there was something really deep 159 00:09:01,800 --> 00:09:04,800 Speaker 1: and seated going on here. You know, at that point, 160 00:09:04,840 --> 00:09:07,560 Speaker 1: you know what happens? You know, can they take the 161 00:09:07,600 --> 00:09:10,480 Speaker 1: football team away from dance center? How does that work? Like? 162 00:09:10,840 --> 00:09:14,040 Speaker 1: What how does that work? You know? From a process standpoint. Yeah, 163 00:09:14,120 --> 00:09:16,960 Speaker 1: from from a process standpoint, it would um, like I said, 164 00:09:17,000 --> 00:09:20,960 Speaker 1: it would go to the owners or the top officers 165 00:09:21,000 --> 00:09:24,800 Speaker 1: of the league's who sit on the league executive committee. Um. 166 00:09:25,080 --> 00:09:29,200 Speaker 1: There's Actually the NFL by laws were released in federal 167 00:09:29,240 --> 00:09:32,480 Speaker 1: court recently, so it kind of gave us a peek 168 00:09:32,640 --> 00:09:36,720 Speaker 1: into into the actual stipulations of what would what would 169 00:09:36,760 --> 00:09:40,280 Speaker 1: take place for you know, say, they were, like you said, 170 00:09:40,400 --> 00:09:44,240 Speaker 1: more alarming the revelations that came from these investigations, and 171 00:09:44,360 --> 00:09:48,120 Speaker 1: the owners finally said they had enough. Three fourths of 172 00:09:48,120 --> 00:09:50,800 Speaker 1: the owners would need to vote um or need to 173 00:09:50,840 --> 00:09:55,600 Speaker 1: support a removal. The commissioner himself also could recommend that 174 00:09:55,720 --> 00:09:59,319 Speaker 1: the league's executive committee take action that would also demand 175 00:09:59,320 --> 00:10:02,360 Speaker 1: a three fourths. And from you know, the lawyers that 176 00:10:02,400 --> 00:10:05,000 Speaker 1: I've talked to and the people that have worked or 177 00:10:05,040 --> 00:10:09,360 Speaker 1: at least observed the league and kind of um sports law. 178 00:10:09,559 --> 00:10:14,560 Speaker 1: From that standpoint, Uh, every indication I've got is that exactly. 179 00:10:14,720 --> 00:10:18,079 Speaker 1: The stakes are very high right now that Dan Sneyder 180 00:10:18,640 --> 00:10:22,800 Speaker 1: is in you know, the promobial hot seat, UM in 181 00:10:23,200 --> 00:10:27,040 Speaker 1: relating to these investigations, because uh, if more comes out, 182 00:10:27,160 --> 00:10:29,520 Speaker 1: the owners very well could it could reach a tipping 183 00:10:29,559 --> 00:10:33,160 Speaker 1: point and compel them to act. Well, again, we're back 184 00:10:33,200 --> 00:10:36,160 Speaker 1: to and I'm I'm playing old newsman here? Am I 185 00:10:36,240 --> 00:10:39,439 Speaker 1: talking about anybody else who was with the commanders? I'm 186 00:10:39,480 --> 00:10:44,840 Speaker 1: talking about Dan Snyder himself because he's denying everything. Uh, 187 00:10:44,880 --> 00:10:48,719 Speaker 1: he says, I didn't do anything wrong. So now what 188 00:10:48,720 --> 00:10:51,880 Speaker 1: do you do because you have to have some proof 189 00:10:52,440 --> 00:10:56,640 Speaker 1: about what happened if you are going to accuse Dan 190 00:10:56,720 --> 00:11:00,840 Speaker 1: Snyder of the allegations. Of course, the big one that 191 00:11:00,840 --> 00:11:04,000 Speaker 1: that's the flashy one is the house investigation. So we 192 00:11:04,080 --> 00:11:07,040 Speaker 1: all see that and then Snyder didn't show up, and 193 00:11:07,120 --> 00:11:09,960 Speaker 1: that's that's not a good look if you're Dan Snyder. 194 00:11:10,520 --> 00:11:14,520 Speaker 1: But again, Snyder and his legal team say he didn't 195 00:11:14,559 --> 00:11:18,640 Speaker 1: do anything. That's that's right, And UM, I think it's yeah, 196 00:11:18,800 --> 00:11:23,240 Speaker 1: like you mentioned, it's kind of to be determined. It's unclear, Uh, 197 00:11:23,520 --> 00:11:27,440 Speaker 1: the timeline on these investigations. I think right now the 198 00:11:27,480 --> 00:11:32,160 Speaker 1: next step is when UM and still if Dan Snyder 199 00:11:32,280 --> 00:11:38,360 Speaker 1: appears before the committee. There's UH since UM at least 200 00:11:38,400 --> 00:11:42,320 Speaker 1: as of yesterday UM when we published the story, the 201 00:11:42,320 --> 00:11:45,080 Speaker 1: Committee and Dan Schnyder's legal team we're still trying to 202 00:11:45,120 --> 00:11:50,360 Speaker 1: work out him accepting service of the subpoena and UM 203 00:11:50,400 --> 00:11:52,720 Speaker 1: finding a date for him to appear for a deposition. 204 00:11:53,120 --> 00:11:55,240 Speaker 1: So until we get to that point, I think it's 205 00:11:55,280 --> 00:11:58,800 Speaker 1: unclear how much I'll even be released from that deposition too. 206 00:11:58,960 --> 00:12:02,160 Speaker 1: That should be noted UM. But I think, as you mentioned, 207 00:12:02,240 --> 00:12:04,920 Speaker 1: there's still a lot of clarity that needs to needs 208 00:12:04,920 --> 00:12:07,839 Speaker 1: to be unearthed. I'm curious, is there anyone in this 209 00:12:07,880 --> 00:12:11,440 Speaker 1: House committee that supports Dan Cider or is on his 210 00:12:11,559 --> 00:12:15,760 Speaker 1: side or is it pretty much bipartisan in terms of 211 00:12:15,800 --> 00:12:19,200 Speaker 1: the need to look into what's going on and the 212 00:12:19,679 --> 00:12:22,560 Speaker 1: I don't want to say suspicion, but the concerned with 213 00:12:22,600 --> 00:12:25,160 Speaker 1: what's been happening inside this club. Yeah. I think there's 214 00:12:25,200 --> 00:12:29,120 Speaker 1: been indications from some members on the Republicans on the 215 00:12:29,120 --> 00:12:32,520 Speaker 1: committee who have who have questioned the UM the need 216 00:12:32,600 --> 00:12:36,800 Speaker 1: for this investigation UM and have UH what indicates that 217 00:12:37,000 --> 00:12:39,559 Speaker 1: they were voicing some support for how the NFL has 218 00:12:39,600 --> 00:12:42,680 Speaker 1: responded in that regard. I I do think it's it's 219 00:12:42,679 --> 00:12:46,320 Speaker 1: fair to say that, um, there are some at least 220 00:12:46,400 --> 00:12:49,840 Speaker 1: one Republican the ranking member who um who was voicing 221 00:12:49,840 --> 00:12:53,400 Speaker 1: a speculation about the need for this investigation. Yeah, I 222 00:12:53,440 --> 00:12:55,880 Speaker 1: think it's it would be fair to say that it's 223 00:12:55,880 --> 00:12:58,800 Speaker 1: not just complete, full on, full fledged support for what 224 00:12:59,000 --> 00:13:02,959 Speaker 1: the committee's majority is pushing. You know, I maybe you 225 00:13:03,000 --> 00:13:04,760 Speaker 1: may not have an answer to this, but I'm just curious, 226 00:13:04,800 --> 00:13:08,280 Speaker 1: you know, in the circles you're speaking with justin you know, 227 00:13:08,360 --> 00:13:11,800 Speaker 1: what is the perception of of Dan Snyder amongst his peers, 228 00:13:12,000 --> 00:13:14,360 Speaker 1: you know, amongst other owners within the NFL. I mean, 229 00:13:15,080 --> 00:13:18,839 Speaker 1: has anyone you know voiced anything regarding this topic or 230 00:13:18,840 --> 00:13:21,000 Speaker 1: are they just hiding under their desks here or or 231 00:13:21,080 --> 00:13:22,640 Speaker 1: more to the point, you know, in the past. You know, 232 00:13:22,720 --> 00:13:25,440 Speaker 1: Dan Snyder is a high profile character. You know what 233 00:13:25,440 --> 00:13:27,640 Speaker 1: what's the consensus, what's the thought? I mean, is he 234 00:13:27,720 --> 00:13:29,880 Speaker 1: a good owner? Is he a good person? I mean, 235 00:13:29,920 --> 00:13:31,520 Speaker 1: I know it's hard for you to answer that, but 236 00:13:31,800 --> 00:13:34,120 Speaker 1: I'm just curious if you have a sense of of 237 00:13:34,160 --> 00:13:37,000 Speaker 1: sentiment there. Yeah, it's a great question, and I think 238 00:13:37,120 --> 00:13:40,000 Speaker 1: I I do not have UM a window into into 239 00:13:40,040 --> 00:13:42,080 Speaker 1: some of the owners and what they're thinking. That would 240 00:13:42,120 --> 00:13:45,719 Speaker 1: be great to have, especially UM given how there has 241 00:13:45,760 --> 00:13:49,120 Speaker 1: They have obviously not voiced a lot UM relating to 242 00:13:49,160 --> 00:13:52,520 Speaker 1: these investigations. They've kept a low profile. But one of 243 00:13:52,520 --> 00:13:56,000 Speaker 1: the people that I did speak with, who has followed 244 00:13:56,000 --> 00:14:00,000 Speaker 1: the league very well UM in terms of representing clients 245 00:14:00,040 --> 00:14:02,439 Speaker 1: in that in this atmosphere, has seemed to say that 246 00:14:03,000 --> 00:14:06,440 Speaker 1: if you just look at things related to the power 247 00:14:06,520 --> 00:14:09,120 Speaker 1: authority you might have had in the league, Dan Schneider 248 00:14:09,240 --> 00:14:12,640 Speaker 1: doesn't have the same power among other owners that he 249 00:14:12,720 --> 00:14:17,240 Speaker 1: had maybe ten twenty years ago. But that is UM, 250 00:14:17,280 --> 00:14:21,760 Speaker 1: that is fair, and as all these investigations are coming 251 00:14:21,840 --> 00:14:26,360 Speaker 1: and he's facing all this increasing scrutiny, it's worth asking 252 00:14:26,720 --> 00:14:29,440 Speaker 1: what the owners are thinking and whether this is, you know, 253 00:14:29,880 --> 00:14:33,920 Speaker 1: damaging the league's reputation so much that they're getting frustrated. 254 00:14:34,320 --> 00:14:36,840 Speaker 1: I do not have a window into that. I have 255 00:14:37,000 --> 00:14:39,680 Speaker 1: not been able to UM speak with any owners or 256 00:14:40,320 --> 00:14:44,480 Speaker 1: any top officers who could offer some additional UM insight 257 00:14:44,560 --> 00:14:46,920 Speaker 1: on that question. But that is something that I that 258 00:14:47,000 --> 00:14:50,920 Speaker 1: I had heard as far as the thinking among observers 259 00:14:50,920 --> 00:14:55,240 Speaker 1: of the league. Justin wise, an excellent article about Dan Snyder. 260 00:14:56,040 --> 00:14:59,640 Speaker 1: As we say in the business, stay tuned because there's 261 00:14:59,640 --> 00:15:02,360 Speaker 1: going to be more chapters involved in this. Am I 262 00:15:02,400 --> 00:15:06,960 Speaker 1: wrong in counting at least four or five investigations? Yeah, 263 00:15:07,280 --> 00:15:10,760 Speaker 1: that's what That's what I'm saying that. Yeah, the high 264 00:15:10,800 --> 00:15:14,360 Speaker 1: profile one, as I was saying earlier, is the house one. 265 00:15:14,840 --> 00:15:18,920 Speaker 1: But there's there's a lot of undercurrent going on with 266 00:15:18,960 --> 00:15:20,680 Speaker 1: all of this, and we're going to see how this 267 00:15:20,720 --> 00:15:23,920 Speaker 1: plays out. Justin Wise, you are the man. 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