WEBVTT - Wireless Electricity: When Can We Unplug Our TVs?

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome to Stuff you Should Know, a production of iHeartRadio.

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh and there's

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<v Speaker 1>Chuck and Jerry's here too, and we're just futzing around

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<v Speaker 1>having fun doing what we do. You're on Stuff you

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<v Speaker 1>Should Know that right tex Stuff Edition It is heads

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<v Speaker 1>off to John Strickland, who's still doing it all these.

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<v Speaker 2>Years, we're all still doing it.

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<v Speaker 1>I know they won't let us stop.

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<v Speaker 2>My god, we're still doing it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I think he's in year fifteen now.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh I was, Yeah, he was like shortly after us, right.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, right out on the heels. I can always

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<v Speaker 1>feel them breathing on our neck. It's really gross. He

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<v Speaker 1>has a very humid breath.

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<v Speaker 2>Gross.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, the reason you said this is Tech Stuff

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<v Speaker 1>Edition is because this is super tech. Ye, there's a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of technical stuff that we're going to dance around.

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<v Speaker 1>It's future facing m hm, and it's the kind of

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<v Speaker 1>thing that everybody hopes will hurry up and come but

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<v Speaker 1>probably doesn't know very much about. So here we go

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<v Speaker 1>tech stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>Ahoy, everyone except me.

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<v Speaker 1>You don't want this.

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<v Speaker 2>I know. The whole time I was reading it, I

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<v Speaker 2>was like, man, it just sounds like a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>work to just not have to plug in your phone.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it is a lot of word to just not

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<v Speaker 1>have to plug in your phone. But I mean, haven't

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<v Speaker 1>you ever like looked around your house and been like,

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<v Speaker 1>these wires are just so stupid, Like I hate having

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<v Speaker 1>chords and stuff you have to plug in. You have

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<v Speaker 1>to like put something where the outlet is or else

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<v Speaker 1>you have to use a drop cord. It's just it's

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<v Speaker 1>a it's a little more of a pain if you

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<v Speaker 1>stop and think about it, then it appears because we're

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<v Speaker 1>used to it. We've lived under the tyranny of courts

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<v Speaker 1>for so long. It's normal to us. But it's not normal, Chuck.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, so you're thinking of future where nothing in your

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<v Speaker 2>house is plugged in precisely? Oh no, sure, great, I.

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<v Speaker 1>Can't wait for that day. I cannot wait for that.

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<v Speaker 1>And not only that, there's a there's the The last

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<v Speaker 1>thing we're going to talk about is what I'm really

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<v Speaker 1>jazzed about.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh Okay, I don't want to spoil.

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<v Speaker 1>It, so don't don't don't bring it up. But everybody,

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<v Speaker 1>just stay with us through the end and you'll be rewarded.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And what we're talking about is wireless electricity, or

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<v Speaker 2>more appropriately, wireless power transfer. Because if you think about

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<v Speaker 2>your your cell phone that you can just sit on

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<v Speaker 2>a little pad and charge it wirelessly. That thing's plugged

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<v Speaker 2>into the wall. So what you're doing is you're transferring

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<v Speaker 2>power from one thing to another.

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<v Speaker 1>But imagine if that that charger, that pad that you

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<v Speaker 1>lay your phone on is your house or no, it

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<v Speaker 1>was like mounted on the ceiling of your of your room. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and when you walked into that room, immediately your phone

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<v Speaker 1>just started charging in your pocket. You turned your TV

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<v Speaker 1>on and it was going full blast, no problem. And

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<v Speaker 1>then you look behind it and you faint dead away

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<v Speaker 1>because it's not even plugged in, and you think there's

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<v Speaker 1>a ghost in your house or God is messing with you.

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<v Speaker 2>I just I don't think it. Jazz is me, like it,

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<v Speaker 2>Jazz is you.

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<v Speaker 1>That's fine.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not going to try to convince I've never looked

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<v Speaker 2>behind a TV on a wall to look for gable, so.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, well, then you haven't.

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<v Speaker 2>But we can talk about the history of it, right,

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<v Speaker 2>because this is not a new thing. People have been

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<v Speaker 2>trying to do this basically since there was electricity.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I would have traced it back to Tesla. Tesla

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<v Speaker 1>was very, famously, very interested in trying to figure out

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<v Speaker 1>how to create wireless electricity that he planned on sending

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<v Speaker 1>through the Earth from one end to the other, basically

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<v Speaker 1>a global wireless electrical network. Right. He didn't, as we'll see.

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<v Speaker 1>But what I didn't realize is it predates him even.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, before him, there was a German physicist name Heinrich Hertz,

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<v Speaker 2>who he was a guy who said, hey, manet, electromagnetic

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<v Speaker 2>waves are a thing. I can prove it. And he

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<v Speaker 2>was able to send energy in the form of radio

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<v Speaker 2>as between two antennas in the eighteen eighties, which predated

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<v Speaker 2>Tesla's little party trick that I think all of us

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<v Speaker 2>probably saw in science or not saw but read about

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<v Speaker 2>in science class, or saw on the prestige. Yeah, some

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<v Speaker 2>point where he's like, I'm going to make this light

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<v Speaker 2>bulb light up, Uncle Fester style, except I won't even

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<v Speaker 2>put it in my mouth.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, And it was a different light bulb. It was

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<v Speaker 1>the predecessor of the fluorescent light. So the gases, when

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<v Speaker 1>they came into the presence of a either a magnetic

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<v Speaker 1>field or electrical current, it would glow, it would light up.

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<v Speaker 1>But he did actually demonstrate this. He showed that you

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<v Speaker 1>can loved it, you can wirelessly power things. And yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>this is still the nineteenth century. There's a legend that

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of times is repeated as fact by a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of legitimate sources, but supposedly there's no actual evidence

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<v Speaker 1>of this happening. There's a legend that he lit up

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<v Speaker 1>a crop of light bulbs, like I think twenty five

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<v Speaker 1>miles away from his research station in Colorado, and that

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<v Speaker 1>would be like the far and away the longest transmission

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<v Speaker 1>of wireless power in history. No one's even come close

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<v Speaker 1>to that here in the twenty first century. So they

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<v Speaker 1>think that it probably didn't happen. But he was trying

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<v Speaker 1>to do that, but he didn't actually do it.

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<v Speaker 2>I have a question, sure, will you remember what's it

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<v Speaker 2>called when you say like a gaga lo geese or whatever?

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<v Speaker 2>We did that short stuff on it whatever? You just said,

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<v Speaker 2>a crop of light bulbs? Is that the term for

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of light bulbs?

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<v Speaker 1>I say, I say it is? Sure?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh okay, I thought that.

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<v Speaker 1>Was a pronoun. Was it a collective pronoun?

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know. But did you just make that up?

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<v Speaker 2>Or is that a thing?

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, it just came out of my mouth.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, do you like it? Sure? Sounds like you're growing

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<v Speaker 2>light bulbs out in the field or something.

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<v Speaker 1>By light bulbs. They'll say, you got a crop of

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<v Speaker 1>light bulbs here I can buy.

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<v Speaker 2>I love it. I mean that's probably a use for crop.

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<v Speaker 2>I just didn't know about.

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<v Speaker 1>I know, I will say, hey, man, clerk me a

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<v Speaker 1>crop of light bulbs.

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<v Speaker 2>So Tesla's got his party tricks happening. May or may

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<v Speaker 2>not have done this to a crop of light bulbs

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<v Speaker 2>over a greater distance. World War two rolls around, and

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<v Speaker 2>all of a sudden, we're using radar and we're learning

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<v Speaker 2>how to generate like more improved and more directional and

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<v Speaker 2>precise beams of microwaves and things like that. In nineteen

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<v Speaker 2>sixty four, and you can watch this video on YouTube.

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<v Speaker 2>It's kind of fun to watch a William Brown of

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<v Speaker 2>Raytheon kept up a little sort of I mean, it's

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<v Speaker 2>a helicopter, looks like it's made out of a rector

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<v Speaker 2>set maybe yeah, about sixty feet off the ground for

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<v Speaker 2>ten hours with no wires.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And they could have gone longer, but the novelty

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<v Speaker 1>wore off, so he just stopped after ten hours.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, He's like, all right, does everyone get it right?

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<v Speaker 1>Can we go home? Now?

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<v Speaker 2>Like? How many times in part to pass this hula

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<v Speaker 2>hoop over it? Right?

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<v Speaker 1>Right? So that that was a huge, huge accomplishment, And

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<v Speaker 1>I believe the same William Brown of Raytheon created another

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<v Speaker 1>record that stood until from nineteen seventy five until from

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<v Speaker 1>what I can tell, this past January, like a month ago.

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<v Speaker 1>In nineteen seventy five, NASA's Jet Propulsion Lab transmitted I

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<v Speaker 1>think thirty five kilowatts of power, and like fifty percent

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<v Speaker 1>of what they transmitted I think a quarter of a

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<v Speaker 1>mile away or something like that, was received and lit

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<v Speaker 1>up another crop of light bulbs. That's what people do,

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<v Speaker 1>They light up crops of light bulbs when they're demonstrating

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<v Speaker 1>what matters electrical.

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<v Speaker 2>Trans because they light up and everyone's like, ooh.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and actually I'm sorry. It was more than a

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<v Speaker 1>quarter mile. I think it was basically a slat mile.

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<v Speaker 1>It was like one point five to four kilometers.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so that's a really long way. And it stood

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<v Speaker 1>from nineteen seventy five till twenty twenty four, almost fifty years,

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<v Speaker 1>and then I believe the Korean Space Agency just broke

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<v Speaker 1>it by like three tenths of a kilometer. Really, it's

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<v Speaker 1>not like we've jumped by leaps and bounds. And almost

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<v Speaker 1>if I were William Brown would be like, really, you

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<v Speaker 1>could just wait until you could beat it by like

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<v Speaker 1>ten times that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's not very sports have been.

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<v Speaker 1>Like no, it's like if you made the world's biggest bagel, right,

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<v Speaker 1>and somebody made another world's biggest bagel by like ten

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<v Speaker 1>more pounds. What's the point Are we really just gonna

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<v Speaker 1>go back and forth year after year with a new

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<v Speaker 1>world's biggest bagel? No, you need to really like double

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<v Speaker 1>it up at least before you break somebody's record. It's

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<v Speaker 1>just common courtesy.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, how to really get their goat. It's just

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<v Speaker 2>drop one extra poppy seat on top o me has

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<v Speaker 2>more mats.

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<v Speaker 1>Man, I would just start bleeding out of my ears.

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<v Speaker 2>So this can happen in a couple of ways, and

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<v Speaker 2>who knows what the future holds. We are going to

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<v Speaker 2>get to that stuff like you were talking about, Like

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<v Speaker 2>you walk in and everything's just like charging the second

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<v Speaker 2>U inner. But these days we have what's called nearfield

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<v Speaker 2>and what I like to call further afield, but farfield

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<v Speaker 2>wireless transfer. When you think of nearfield, you're already doing that.

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<v Speaker 2>If you have an electric toothbrush, if you have a

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<v Speaker 2>modern smartphone that can wirelessly charge. We'll talk about the

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<v Speaker 2>two different ways those are happening, but those are examples

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<v Speaker 2>of nearfield. And I think a lot of people like

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<v Speaker 2>I was, are amazed to know that when you put

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<v Speaker 2>that little electric toothbrush on its stand. Unless I'm wrong,

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<v Speaker 2>That little nubbin is only there to keep that thing upright.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not conducting electricity at all, is it?

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<v Speaker 1>As far as I know, No, because the whole thing's

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<v Speaker 1>fully sealed, so the electricity is going from plastic to

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<v Speaker 1>plastic via waves.

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<v Speaker 2>So it looks like a little like a charging stump.

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<v Speaker 2>But you could just assume lay it down on top

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<v Speaker 2>of that thing, right.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. I think for an electric toothbrush, what

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<v Speaker 1>we're talking about at this point is called wireless in duction.

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<v Speaker 1>In charging, it's the same kind of principle that you

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<v Speaker 1>use for an induction cook top. Magnetic fields are generated

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<v Speaker 1>that create an electric current that's passed to another coil

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<v Speaker 1>on the other side that's received, and then that's attached

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<v Speaker 1>to a battery that gets recharged. Right, And I think

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<v Speaker 1>for something like a toothbrush, it has to be really precise,

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<v Speaker 1>so the coils have to basically line up as close

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<v Speaker 1>to one another as possible, but they don't have to

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<v Speaker 1>physically touch, which is why you can encase it in

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<v Speaker 1>plastic and seal it off and use it for an

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<v Speaker 1>application that's around water, like an electric toothbrush. But I

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<v Speaker 1>do think that has to be precise. I think you

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<v Speaker 1>can get a little more jiggy with it with the

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<v Speaker 1>resonant induction charging, where the coils are bigger or there's

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<v Speaker 1>more coils. But they also have I don't know how

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<v Speaker 1>they do this, but they make the frequencies that come

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<v Speaker 1>out of one coil and go into received by the

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<v Speaker 1>other perfectly in sync, so that the the coils are

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<v Speaker 1>basically tuned to one another. So you can actually keep

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<v Speaker 1>something a little further away and still get a charge

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<v Speaker 1>out of it.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so I was wrong, then that stump serves the

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<v Speaker 2>purpose of probably aligning it perfectly, probably, although it's not

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<v Speaker 2>actually you know, like a charging stump. You probably could

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<v Speaker 2>not just set your toothbrush down with a butt in

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<v Speaker 2>near that stump, you know what I'm saying.

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<v Speaker 1>No, but if you're talking about like your phone on

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<v Speaker 1>like a pad charger, you just kind of set it down. Sure,

0:12:31.320 --> 0:12:34.719
<v Speaker 1>Sure it'll still charge, even though it's not like perfectly

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<v Speaker 1>centered on the charger, depending on the type of charging station.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and I have seen those to be fairly hit

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<v Speaker 2>or miss through the years. Yes, the little charging pad

0:12:45.440 --> 0:12:48.520
<v Speaker 2>sometimes they work. Sometimes you've got to move your phone

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<v Speaker 2>around it and it makes more sense now than I

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<v Speaker 2>know how it works why you may have to move

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<v Speaker 2>your phone around. And it's also slower than like a

0:12:56.880 --> 0:12:59.200
<v Speaker 2>wall charge, which you know is one of the the

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<v Speaker 2>humps to get over that we'll get.

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<v Speaker 1>To it is, and they have basically gotten over that hump.

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<v Speaker 1>So for a while I didn't realize this, but Nokia

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<v Speaker 1>was the first to be like, hey, everybody, check out

0:13:10.000 --> 0:13:12.800
<v Speaker 1>our wireless charge. Well back in twenty twelve, I had

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<v Speaker 1>no idea. Yeah, and that set off like a whole

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<v Speaker 1>stampede where every phone company wanted to create a wireless

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<v Speaker 1>charging pad, right, and so everybody was coming up with

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<v Speaker 1>different protocols, different structures on how to make this happen,

0:13:27.120 --> 0:13:32.120
<v Speaker 1>and finally a group called the Wireless Power Consortium basically

0:13:32.120 --> 0:13:37.040
<v Speaker 1>emerged with their cheese standard key like the Chinese traditional

0:13:37.040 --> 0:13:40.280
<v Speaker 1>medicine concept of the life force that flows through.

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<v Speaker 2>Everything, Yeah, like gigong exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's also associated with this wireless power transfer to

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<v Speaker 1>where everybody builds it the exact same way. Right, So

0:13:52.760 --> 0:13:56.839
<v Speaker 1>that's pretty cool. But it wasn't like you had to

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<v Speaker 1>get it pretty much dead on to get a decent

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<v Speaker 1>charge out of it, like you said it was. It

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<v Speaker 1>transferred far less power, I think about five watts rather

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<v Speaker 1>than the standard fifteen eighteen or more that you get

0:14:09.800 --> 0:14:13.080
<v Speaker 1>from plugging your phone in. Yeah, so they came up

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<v Speaker 1>with G two point zero and you know the new

0:14:15.880 --> 0:14:19.200
<v Speaker 1>Apple Apple chargers that like snap onto the back of

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<v Speaker 1>your your phone with a magnet.

0:14:21.760 --> 0:14:25.600
<v Speaker 2>No, oh, really, do you have my iPhone? I do?

0:14:26.560 --> 0:14:27.440
<v Speaker 1>Is it fairly new?

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<v Speaker 2>Uh? Let me see what I usually get, like every

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<v Speaker 2>third or fourth version.

0:14:34.240 --> 0:14:35.960
<v Speaker 1>Okay, you may or may not have this. I don't know.

0:14:36.080 --> 0:14:38.120
<v Speaker 1>I couldn't even tell you what if you told me

0:14:38.160 --> 0:14:40.840
<v Speaker 1>the the which one it was, I'd be like, oh,

0:14:40.960 --> 0:14:42.600
<v Speaker 1>actually I don't know. So I don't know why you've

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<v Speaker 1>been asked to that. But the newer iPhones, yeah, that

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<v Speaker 1>should have it. I think that's what I have too. Yeah,

0:14:51.680 --> 0:14:54.560
<v Speaker 1>it is and it works. So there's a there's a

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<v Speaker 1>type of charge you can get called a mag safe charger.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, I got that.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, so then this you have what I'm talking about.

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<v Speaker 1>It snaps into place, so like magnet, it holds the

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<v Speaker 1>phone in place, right, Yeah, I got one of those

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<v Speaker 1>in my car. Okay, So what that's doing is it's

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<v Speaker 1>holding the coil to the coil, so that in addition

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<v Speaker 1>to them being powerful and tuned to the same frequency,

0:15:17.400 --> 0:15:21.120
<v Speaker 1>they're also precisely interlocked, so the transfer of power is

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<v Speaker 1>way more efficient. And now they're reaching like power transfer

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<v Speaker 1>like fifteen, eighteen, twenty watts, just like you would have

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<v Speaker 1>with a traditional like pluging cord.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and you know what, I'm not much of a

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<v Speaker 2>what do you call it? Buzz marketer, but I have

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<v Speaker 2>to say the car charger from Spiegel is what I like.

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<v Speaker 2>The catalog I don't know, it's SPI E G E L.

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<v Speaker 2>Is that spelled to save? Yeah, spell the same. I

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<v Speaker 2>mean their charger. It's fifty bucks and it works flawlessly,

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<v Speaker 2>and it looks good.

0:16:01.560 --> 0:16:04.359
<v Speaker 1>And it just says a pompadour.

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<v Speaker 2>Well it sticks on, you know, but the little stick

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<v Speaker 2>on base is smaller than other ones I've seen, so

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<v Speaker 2>if you know, sometimes your car you can't get it

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<v Speaker 2>in like a great place or whatever. But anyway, I

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<v Speaker 2>think it works great, and so I do actually use

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<v Speaker 2>this technology very nice.

0:16:18.520 --> 0:16:20.760
<v Speaker 1>Okay, so make safe so you have that. But the

0:16:20.840 --> 0:16:23.800
<v Speaker 1>thing is is we've actually kind of gone backwards in

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<v Speaker 1>that sense where you're getting more power transfer again wirelessly,

0:16:27.360 --> 0:16:30.640
<v Speaker 1>like you're not plugging your phone into anything. It's laying

0:16:30.680 --> 0:16:32.880
<v Speaker 1>on something that is connected to a power source, but

0:16:32.920 --> 0:16:36.560
<v Speaker 1>your phone's not plugged in, so it is wireless power transfer.

0:16:37.160 --> 0:16:41.160
<v Speaker 1>But rather than making it easier to just toss your

0:16:41.200 --> 0:16:43.680
<v Speaker 1>phone onto a pad or a table or something like

0:16:43.720 --> 0:16:46.000
<v Speaker 1>that and it immediately starts charging, it has to be

0:16:46.040 --> 0:16:49.040
<v Speaker 1>more precise. Hence the magnets. Sure, we want to be

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<v Speaker 1>going in the opposite direction to where your phone doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>even really have to be anywhere near that charging pad

0:16:53.840 --> 0:16:57.800
<v Speaker 1>to get a charge, and that's where people are moving toward.

0:16:58.760 --> 0:17:01.680
<v Speaker 1>But the cool thing about the sheet two point zero

0:17:02.080 --> 0:17:05.480
<v Speaker 1>is that this protocol is it's spreading out so that

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<v Speaker 1>if you had, say like an Android phone and iPhone,

0:17:09.520 --> 0:17:11.800
<v Speaker 1>you would be able to use the same charger for both,

0:17:11.800 --> 0:17:14.440
<v Speaker 1>which is brand new. That's a new thing, and that's

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<v Speaker 1>a really great way for the industry to be going

0:17:16.520 --> 0:17:19.440
<v Speaker 1>because it cuts out on packaging, cuts out a manufacturing,

0:17:19.480 --> 0:17:22.320
<v Speaker 1>it cuts down on all sorts of stuff it costs.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's a good direction to be going in.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and divided houses can come together once again exactly

0:17:29.800 --> 0:17:32.399
<v Speaker 2>this kind of charging. There is a future application that

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<v Speaker 2>might be kind of cool. If you drive an electric

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<v Speaker 2>car to where you pull in your garage and you

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<v Speaker 2>just pull over charging Matt much like your telephone basically

0:17:43.320 --> 0:17:47.760
<v Speaker 2>to where you wouldn't have to plug it in or whatever. Again,

0:17:47.840 --> 0:17:49.919
<v Speaker 2>for me, it's like it's no trouble to plug something in,

0:17:49.960 --> 0:17:52.080
<v Speaker 2>so it's not that big of a deal. But I

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<v Speaker 2>imagine these little conveniences are a big deal to a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of people for sure.

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<v Speaker 1>I think the one that I'm really excited about is

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<v Speaker 1>like that plus application, which is putting those kind of

0:18:06.119 --> 0:18:11.520
<v Speaker 1>coils that transmit electricity wirelessly to a receiver coil in

0:18:11.560 --> 0:18:16.240
<v Speaker 1>your car in asphalt, so when you're driving on the highway,

0:18:16.359 --> 0:18:19.080
<v Speaker 1>your car is actually charging. That would do it. That

0:18:19.119 --> 0:18:22.480
<v Speaker 1>would do it for gas engine cars people, you would

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<v Speaker 1>have to just be a total jerk to have like

0:18:24.560 --> 0:18:28.359
<v Speaker 1>an internal combustion engine after that point, because that's the

0:18:28.359 --> 0:18:31.280
<v Speaker 1>big problem with it. Like do you remember that stupid

0:18:31.320 --> 0:18:34.240
<v Speaker 1>electric car that I rented in Seattle and drove to

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<v Speaker 1>Portland and I had to sit for forty five minutes

0:18:36.960 --> 0:18:39.840
<v Speaker 1>in this little town doing nothing but waiting for the

0:18:40.040 --> 0:18:43.080
<v Speaker 1>stupid rental car to charge. That is no way to live.

0:18:43.440 --> 0:18:45.280
<v Speaker 1>But if I had just been able to drive down

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<v Speaker 1>what is that five? The five, and that what they

0:18:48.119 --> 0:18:48.439
<v Speaker 1>call it.

0:18:48.920 --> 0:18:50.200
<v Speaker 2>I think that's a California think.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, well, if I had just been able to drive

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<v Speaker 1>down I five and my car's charging the whole time, perfect,

0:18:56.640 --> 0:18:59.920
<v Speaker 1>there's no reason for any any fossil fuel car all.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, is the idea there that every road in America

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<v Speaker 2>has is redone with charging capabilities underneath it.

0:19:09.440 --> 0:19:14.000
<v Speaker 1>What I would guess is they would you would probably

0:19:14.119 --> 0:19:17.760
<v Speaker 1>just need to do one lane.

0:19:16.600 --> 0:19:19.359
<v Speaker 2>And then and then maybe only on expressways or something.

0:19:19.640 --> 0:19:23.800
<v Speaker 1>Right, So one lane on an expressway and you like,

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<v Speaker 1>if your car has over some amount of charge, like

0:19:27.359 --> 0:19:30.359
<v Speaker 1>the Cultural Folk Way would be, you don't go on

0:19:30.400 --> 0:19:32.680
<v Speaker 1>that lane. You leave it open for people who really.

0:19:32.520 --> 0:19:35.680
<v Speaker 2>Need to charge the car. That'll go over well exactly

0:19:35.760 --> 0:19:39.240
<v Speaker 2>in the United States. That'll that'll become the uh look

0:19:39.280 --> 0:19:40.199
<v Speaker 2>at that jerk lane.

0:19:40.400 --> 0:19:43.639
<v Speaker 1>Exactly. Yeah, it'll be like the new driving slow in

0:19:43.680 --> 0:19:44.560
<v Speaker 1>the fast lane thing.

0:19:45.920 --> 0:19:48.080
<v Speaker 2>I look forward to that day. I'm gonna be old

0:19:48.119 --> 0:19:50.399
<v Speaker 2>and feeble and I just you can send me updates

0:19:50.400 --> 0:19:51.760
<v Speaker 2>on how things are going from the road.

0:19:52.040 --> 0:19:54.440
<v Speaker 1>But that's but that's all. But you just need one

0:19:54.520 --> 0:19:56.399
<v Speaker 1>lane like that on a stretch of highway, and I

0:19:56.440 --> 0:19:59.120
<v Speaker 1>think that would do it, at least at first, all right,

0:19:59.800 --> 0:20:03.000
<v Speaker 1>I we get this done like tomorrow, all.

0:20:02.960 --> 0:20:05.359
<v Speaker 2>Right, But in the meantime we should take a break, okay,

0:20:05.400 --> 0:20:07.880
<v Speaker 2>because we're gonna have to buy some tools. Okay, all right,

0:20:07.880 --> 0:20:35.080
<v Speaker 2>we'll be right back. All right, So we're back. Josh's boy.

0:20:35.359 --> 0:20:38.479
<v Speaker 2>Look at the smile on your face thinking about driving

0:20:38.880 --> 0:20:40.919
<v Speaker 2>untold miles without having to stop.

0:20:41.160 --> 0:20:43.000
<v Speaker 1>I mean, it's just going to change everything.

0:20:43.440 --> 0:20:45.720
<v Speaker 2>Peeing in a gatorade bottle. You're not stopping for.

0:20:45.760 --> 0:20:47.120
<v Speaker 1>Nothing, No, no way.

0:20:48.320 --> 0:20:51.239
<v Speaker 2>Just think of the cannonball run I have.

0:20:51.359 --> 0:20:53.960
<v Speaker 1>I'm just gonna take this opportunity, all right, But yes,

0:20:54.000 --> 0:20:57.520
<v Speaker 1>the cannonball run would work really well with that. Yeah,

0:20:57.960 --> 0:21:00.560
<v Speaker 1>if you I see this enough that I feel like

0:21:00.600 --> 0:21:03.000
<v Speaker 1>this is worth mentioning. If you ever find yourself in

0:21:03.040 --> 0:21:05.480
<v Speaker 1>an emergency situation where you have to pee into a

0:21:05.560 --> 0:21:08.720
<v Speaker 1>water bottle or a mountain dew bottle or something like that,

0:21:08.720 --> 0:21:11.199
<v Speaker 1>that's fine, that's fine. Like that is a thing you

0:21:11.200 --> 0:21:13.959
<v Speaker 1>have to do sometimes. I never have, but people do it,

0:21:14.000 --> 0:21:16.399
<v Speaker 1>and I get it. But you don't leave that on

0:21:16.480 --> 0:21:18.720
<v Speaker 1>the side of the road for somebody else to pick up.

0:21:19.240 --> 0:21:21.879
<v Speaker 1>That is yours to hang on to until you're able

0:21:21.920 --> 0:21:25.560
<v Speaker 1>to dispose of it. In the trash where it belongs. Yeah,

0:21:25.640 --> 0:21:28.840
<v Speaker 1>put the cap on, get it out of your way,

0:21:28.920 --> 0:21:30.600
<v Speaker 1>make sure it doesn't spill or anything like that. But

0:21:30.680 --> 0:21:33.840
<v Speaker 1>you do not set that outside of your car until

0:21:33.840 --> 0:21:37.040
<v Speaker 1>it goes into the trash. That is, it's tied for

0:21:37.280 --> 0:21:41.320
<v Speaker 1>first with throwing your dental floss stick down on the

0:21:41.320 --> 0:21:42.920
<v Speaker 1>ground for someone else to pick up.

0:21:43.320 --> 0:21:46.800
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. The only time I will do that is camping.

0:21:47.480 --> 0:21:50.560
<v Speaker 2>If it's rainy or really really cold, then I'm in

0:21:50.640 --> 0:21:54.640
<v Speaker 2>my tent. I will have the forethought to bring an

0:21:54.720 --> 0:21:57.359
<v Speaker 2>appropriate bottle smart so I can just get out of

0:21:57.359 --> 0:22:00.360
<v Speaker 2>my sleeping bag and you know, and ppe in the bottle.

0:22:00.480 --> 0:22:02.160
<v Speaker 1>A big wide mouth bottle, Am I right?

0:22:04.359 --> 0:22:06.960
<v Speaker 2>And then I just leave it there in the woods.

0:22:07.840 --> 0:22:11.960
<v Speaker 1>No, no, of course not okay, okay, I was shocked.

0:22:12.119 --> 0:22:15.160
<v Speaker 2>All right. So we're back and we're getting started now

0:22:15.280 --> 0:22:21.040
<v Speaker 2>on far field wireless transfer. Because your phone on your nightstand,

0:22:21.119 --> 0:22:24.880
<v Speaker 2>that's great. Driving over a mat in your garage would

0:22:24.920 --> 0:22:28.280
<v Speaker 2>be amazing, But you really are cooking with gas, as

0:22:28.320 --> 0:22:31.439
<v Speaker 2>they say, ironically, not with gas. If you can start

0:22:31.640 --> 0:22:36.200
<v Speaker 2>figuring out how to do this over longer and longer frequencies,

0:22:36.640 --> 0:22:39.760
<v Speaker 2>and they are figuring that stuff out by ways of

0:22:39.840 --> 0:22:44.560
<v Speaker 2>electromagnetic waves or which you know, what you do is

0:22:44.560 --> 0:22:47.760
<v Speaker 2>you send it out as an electromagnetic wave, it transmits

0:22:47.800 --> 0:22:49.840
<v Speaker 2>it as a beam, then it converts it to power

0:22:50.040 --> 0:22:51.480
<v Speaker 2>or through laser beams.

0:22:52.440 --> 0:22:57.320
<v Speaker 1>Yes, so you can do laser you can do millimeter waves,

0:22:57.359 --> 0:23:00.360
<v Speaker 1>you can do I think microwaves is are the big

0:23:00.400 --> 0:23:04.600
<v Speaker 1>ones because they'll I mean they'll they're electromagnetic waves, so

0:23:04.640 --> 0:23:07.359
<v Speaker 1>they're an energy carrier and all you need is a

0:23:07.359 --> 0:23:11.040
<v Speaker 1>way to convert electricity to electromagnetic energy and then a

0:23:11.040 --> 0:23:13.760
<v Speaker 1>way to convert it back on the other side, and

0:23:13.760 --> 0:23:16.120
<v Speaker 1>then you've just transmitted power from a distance.

0:23:16.200 --> 0:23:19.680
<v Speaker 2>That's what they're possible already, right, They just absolutely haven't

0:23:19.720 --> 0:23:23.440
<v Speaker 2>figured out a great consumer application because it's not efficient

0:23:23.560 --> 0:23:24.879
<v Speaker 2>or great jeap.

0:23:25.200 --> 0:23:27.800
<v Speaker 1>That's the problem. It's not cheap and it's inefficient. So

0:23:28.160 --> 0:23:32.120
<v Speaker 1>yes that I believe there are consumer products out there,

0:23:32.240 --> 0:23:34.720
<v Speaker 1>just a handful of them that you can spend a

0:23:34.840 --> 0:23:38.320
<v Speaker 1>lot of money on and be like, look, this thing's charging.

0:23:39.080 --> 0:23:41.760
<v Speaker 1>It takes forty eight hours to get to five percent,

0:23:41.800 --> 0:23:46.119
<v Speaker 1>but it's charging wirelessly. That's where we're at right now.

0:23:46.440 --> 0:23:49.119
<v Speaker 1>But it is possible. People have figured it out. But

0:23:49.359 --> 0:23:52.479
<v Speaker 1>just like with that CHI protocol, with like the charging

0:23:52.560 --> 0:23:55.960
<v Speaker 1>pads that the industry is in the same place right

0:23:56.000 --> 0:24:01.640
<v Speaker 1>now with figuring out a a common protocol for everybody

0:24:01.680 --> 0:24:03.359
<v Speaker 1>to use now. So it's kind of the wild West

0:24:03.400 --> 0:24:05.960
<v Speaker 1>any they're trying to figure out the best way to

0:24:06.040 --> 0:24:08.639
<v Speaker 1>efficiently do it and also safely do it, as we'll see.

0:24:09.160 --> 0:24:12.399
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, in one application they can use it on today

0:24:12.400 --> 0:24:15.159
<v Speaker 2>that does make sense. And Livia dug this up and

0:24:15.320 --> 0:24:16.920
<v Speaker 2>helped out, and this one makes a lot of sense.

0:24:17.320 --> 0:24:24.359
<v Speaker 2>With RFID tags radio frequency identification tags, and you've probably

0:24:24.400 --> 0:24:27.320
<v Speaker 2>heard of these. There's all kinds of applications for these,

0:24:27.359 --> 0:24:31.720
<v Speaker 2>but one of the big applications is if you have

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<v Speaker 2>like a warehouse full of stuff, instead of having a

0:24:34.680 --> 0:24:37.720
<v Speaker 2>barcode on every single thing that you have to walk

0:24:37.840 --> 0:24:41.480
<v Speaker 2>up to with a bar code scanner like several inches

0:24:41.480 --> 0:24:44.680
<v Speaker 2>away or whatever, you can track your inventory more efficiently

0:24:44.720 --> 0:24:47.840
<v Speaker 2>because it can if you do it through RFID, you

0:24:47.880 --> 0:24:50.760
<v Speaker 2>can group things together, you can scan a bunch of

0:24:50.800 --> 0:24:53.879
<v Speaker 2>stuff at once, you can scan it from three, four

0:24:53.960 --> 0:24:55.919
<v Speaker 2>or five feet away, maybe you don't have to be

0:24:56.040 --> 0:24:59.720
<v Speaker 2>right there up on it. So using this technology to

0:24:59.800 --> 0:25:03.439
<v Speaker 2>have little RFID tags that don't require batteries is a

0:25:03.880 --> 0:25:05.000
<v Speaker 2>realistic application.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and you just said a mouthful with that. They

0:25:07.840 --> 0:25:11.040
<v Speaker 1>don't require batteries, because that's a big reason why you

0:25:11.080 --> 0:25:14.879
<v Speaker 1>would want to use something like wireless power transfer is

0:25:15.600 --> 0:25:19.000
<v Speaker 1>with the little RFID tags, they have an antenna in them,

0:25:19.119 --> 0:25:22.000
<v Speaker 1>but they don't actually have any power. They're not internally powered.

0:25:22.200 --> 0:25:25.600
<v Speaker 1>But when that radio wave hits it, it carries just

0:25:25.720 --> 0:25:29.159
<v Speaker 1>enough energy to make contact with it, give it a

0:25:29.160 --> 0:25:34.119
<v Speaker 1>little juice. There's a modulator inside that takes that radio

0:25:34.160 --> 0:25:37.879
<v Speaker 1>wave and converts it back to shoot back out to

0:25:38.000 --> 0:25:41.840
<v Speaker 1>the scanner with a little with its number associated with it.

0:25:41.960 --> 0:25:44.840
<v Speaker 1>All without batteries. It just uses They figured out how

0:25:44.880 --> 0:25:47.879
<v Speaker 1>to use the energy in that electromagnetic wave in the

0:25:47.880 --> 0:25:52.639
<v Speaker 1>form of radio waves, and so we're already doing this again.

0:25:52.680 --> 0:25:55.639
<v Speaker 1>It's just really inefficient. But they're onto something with that

0:25:55.720 --> 0:25:57.960
<v Speaker 1>because you know, we've entered the Internet of Things. I

0:25:58.000 --> 0:26:00.680
<v Speaker 1>think we did a whole episode on that way. I'll

0:26:00.680 --> 0:26:02.280
<v Speaker 1>bet that needs so much updating.

0:26:02.520 --> 0:26:03.480
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, probably so.

0:26:03.840 --> 0:26:06.880
<v Speaker 1>But all the little like sensors in your refrigerator, all

0:26:07.000 --> 0:26:13.120
<v Speaker 1>the little little gadgets, the thing that connects your refrigerator,

0:26:13.160 --> 0:26:15.880
<v Speaker 1>the to Wi Fi. Now all of these things are

0:26:15.880 --> 0:26:20.040
<v Speaker 1>like really tiny little components and the smaller the component.

0:26:20.520 --> 0:26:23.359
<v Speaker 1>The harder it is to put a decent battery in there,

0:26:23.960 --> 0:26:26.480
<v Speaker 1>and you also kind of want a rechargeable battery too,

0:26:27.400 --> 0:26:29.800
<v Speaker 1>but some of them don't have batteries. They still are

0:26:29.800 --> 0:26:31.600
<v Speaker 1>going to report that say like you're running it low

0:26:31.640 --> 0:26:35.680
<v Speaker 1>on ketchup or something like that. Wireless energy would be

0:26:35.760 --> 0:26:37.720
<v Speaker 1>able to do the same thing that we're doing with

0:26:37.920 --> 0:26:41.680
<v Speaker 1>RFID tags, but with the little sensors and chargers that

0:26:41.720 --> 0:26:44.760
<v Speaker 1>make up the Internet of things that make your home

0:26:44.800 --> 0:26:45.520
<v Speaker 1>a smart home.

0:26:46.000 --> 0:26:49.560
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, or to not have to have a follow up

0:26:49.600 --> 0:26:52.480
<v Speaker 2>surgeries to replace batteries in your pacemaker would be pretty.

0:26:52.240 --> 0:26:56.000
<v Speaker 1>Remarkable, Yeah, Because that's another like really big part of this,

0:26:56.080 --> 0:26:58.679
<v Speaker 1>in addition to like the whole g whiz aspect of

0:26:58.720 --> 0:27:01.280
<v Speaker 1>it and the no chords they which I'm really happy about.

0:27:02.040 --> 0:27:05.040
<v Speaker 1>The bigger point in the near term is that it

0:27:05.040 --> 0:27:08.800
<v Speaker 1>will do weigh with disposable batteries. All will have is

0:27:08.880 --> 0:27:11.639
<v Speaker 1>rechargeable batteries. If we have any batteries at all. Some

0:27:11.680 --> 0:27:13.679
<v Speaker 1>things won't need it, but things that do need a

0:27:13.720 --> 0:27:17.400
<v Speaker 1>battery to keep going without a power source, those will

0:27:17.400 --> 0:27:21.000
<v Speaker 1>be rechargeable and they'll be more easily replenished with wireless

0:27:21.000 --> 0:27:24.640
<v Speaker 1>power transmission. So you can say goodbye to buying batteries

0:27:24.640 --> 0:27:26.960
<v Speaker 1>at the store. They'll just be gone and the earth

0:27:27.000 --> 0:27:29.000
<v Speaker 1>will breathe a deep, deep, happy sigh.

0:27:29.640 --> 0:27:32.760
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Well that is, and now we're getting into sort

0:27:32.760 --> 0:27:37.040
<v Speaker 2>of your utopia, which is these companies that are exploring

0:27:38.119 --> 0:27:41.720
<v Speaker 2>initially probably like a room system and then eventually a

0:27:41.720 --> 0:27:44.639
<v Speaker 2>whole home system to where what you described at the

0:27:44.640 --> 0:27:46.359
<v Speaker 2>beginning of the show would be possible, where you can

0:27:46.440 --> 0:27:49.360
<v Speaker 2>walk in your house the second you walk in, your

0:27:49.520 --> 0:27:52.760
<v Speaker 2>phone is charging in your pocket. If you have a

0:27:52.800 --> 0:27:56.280
<v Speaker 2>smart home and you have like powered blinds on your windows,

0:27:56.600 --> 0:27:59.080
<v Speaker 2>those are always charged. They're not plugged in. If you

0:27:59.160 --> 0:28:03.119
<v Speaker 2>have remote control for your TV and everything else in

0:28:03.160 --> 0:28:07.800
<v Speaker 2>your home, they actually have a tiny battery made by

0:28:07.880 --> 0:28:11.959
<v Speaker 2>the company. In this case, I mean, we can go

0:28:11.960 --> 0:28:13.800
<v Speaker 2>back and talk about Guru, but there's a company called

0:28:13.800 --> 0:28:17.960
<v Speaker 2>Oca inc Ossia, and they have a system called the

0:28:18.080 --> 0:28:22.399
<v Speaker 2>Kota system Ota, and that's the idea is you have

0:28:22.600 --> 0:28:25.639
<v Speaker 2>a unit in your house. It looks sort of like

0:28:25.680 --> 0:28:30.440
<v Speaker 2>a well it's a little smaller than a board game

0:28:30.440 --> 0:28:32.639
<v Speaker 2>and a little more square, and it's just a little

0:28:32.880 --> 0:28:38.720
<v Speaker 2>transmitting stand and it shoots power across the room. It

0:28:38.880 --> 0:28:44.200
<v Speaker 2>bounces it around and you have receivers that are attached

0:28:44.200 --> 0:28:47.120
<v Speaker 2>to your devices, like your receiver would be built into

0:28:47.120 --> 0:28:49.840
<v Speaker 2>your phone case in the case of a phone. Or

0:28:50.320 --> 0:28:53.520
<v Speaker 2>they're making what they're calling forever batteries, which is a

0:28:53.520 --> 0:28:56.200
<v Speaker 2>little double a battery that actually has a tiny receiver

0:28:56.320 --> 0:28:59.600
<v Speaker 2>in it, so that remote control battery will never die

0:29:00.160 --> 0:29:03.400
<v Speaker 2>and it essentially just makes any device in your house

0:29:04.080 --> 0:29:08.480
<v Speaker 2>compatible with this transmitter. The one thing I wondered about, though,

0:29:08.760 --> 0:29:12.080
<v Speaker 2>was like, well, when is duras El gonna buy them

0:29:12.120 --> 0:29:13.520
<v Speaker 2>out and just shut it down?

0:29:14.200 --> 0:29:16.520
<v Speaker 1>Oh? Man, I hope we don't run into something like that.

0:29:17.240 --> 0:29:21.160
<v Speaker 1>I mean, big battery is a major threat to democracy, true,

0:29:22.040 --> 0:29:25.120
<v Speaker 1>but I don't know. I think I don't know. I

0:29:25.160 --> 0:29:27.720
<v Speaker 1>think these other startups have some pretty good clout too.

0:29:28.280 --> 0:29:31.719
<v Speaker 2>Well, should we talk about Guru then, sure? Jumping back

0:29:31.760 --> 0:29:32.920
<v Speaker 2>a little, Guru.

0:29:32.600 --> 0:29:37.880
<v Speaker 1>Got together with Motorola and two years ago they debuted

0:29:38.680 --> 0:29:41.720
<v Speaker 1>basically a charger, an over the air charger, a wireless

0:29:41.720 --> 0:29:44.600
<v Speaker 1>power charger that was very similar in design. It seems

0:29:44.640 --> 0:29:49.400
<v Speaker 1>like to that Coda charger, and it can I think,

0:29:49.720 --> 0:29:53.200
<v Speaker 1>charge four phones at once up to ten feet away

0:29:53.240 --> 0:29:57.120
<v Speaker 1>with one hundred degree field of vision, which is pretty cool.

0:29:57.280 --> 0:29:59.800
<v Speaker 1>It's still not out to market. I think people are like, yeah,

0:29:59.800 --> 0:30:02.400
<v Speaker 1>but you guys didn't mention how efficient it is, like

0:30:02.440 --> 0:30:06.000
<v Speaker 1>how many watts does it transfer? And motoroles like stop

0:30:06.040 --> 0:30:08.360
<v Speaker 1>asking questions and they went back to the drawing board.

0:30:08.960 --> 0:30:12.240
<v Speaker 1>But the code of stuff seems like it's so close

0:30:12.280 --> 0:30:15.560
<v Speaker 1>it might actually already be available in some areas.

0:30:15.760 --> 0:30:17.920
<v Speaker 2>And didn't see it for sale yet, but I might

0:30:17.960 --> 0:30:18.320
<v Speaker 2>be wrong.

0:30:18.440 --> 0:30:22.840
<v Speaker 1>They are touting their wireless power security camera, the archos AR.

0:30:22.960 --> 0:30:25.840
<v Speaker 2>Now that's a good use, yeah for sure. Yeah, because

0:30:25.920 --> 0:30:29.000
<v Speaker 2>if you have a house where you didn't have like

0:30:29.680 --> 0:30:32.040
<v Speaker 2>you if you have security cameras whatever, you didn't have

0:30:32.040 --> 0:30:35.239
<v Speaker 2>them built in and wired initially, and you're just like, oh,

0:30:35.280 --> 0:30:39.400
<v Speaker 2>I want to get a Nest cameras or any other brand,

0:30:39.760 --> 0:30:41.960
<v Speaker 2>Like you got to plug those things in. Yeah, and

0:30:42.000 --> 0:30:44.880
<v Speaker 2>if they're outdoor cameras, you're either running wire to an

0:30:44.880 --> 0:30:48.000
<v Speaker 2>outdoor plug that someone could just unplug right or you're

0:30:48.040 --> 0:30:50.360
<v Speaker 2>drilling holes in your wall. So I think this is

0:30:50.360 --> 0:30:53.240
<v Speaker 2>a really realistic, like worthy application.

0:30:53.560 --> 0:30:55.960
<v Speaker 1>It's part of like my week to go around and

0:30:56.120 --> 0:30:59.960
<v Speaker 1>connect the charger, the outdoor charger to the outdoor cameras

0:31:00.720 --> 0:31:05.200
<v Speaker 1>and just top them off because they're not hardwired. So yeah,

0:31:05.240 --> 0:31:07.080
<v Speaker 1>I agree with you. I think it's a great application.

0:31:07.360 --> 0:31:09.320
<v Speaker 1>Now imagine that for your TV.

0:31:12.240 --> 0:31:15.880
<v Speaker 2>Although kind of make one complaint real quick about security cameras. Yeah,

0:31:16.440 --> 0:31:19.320
<v Speaker 2>they're great to have. They can help out with different

0:31:19.320 --> 0:31:21.440
<v Speaker 2>things and help out with neighbors. Hey I saw someone

0:31:21.480 --> 0:31:23.640
<v Speaker 2>and them like breaking into my car. Your neighbor has

0:31:23.640 --> 0:31:26.160
<v Speaker 2>a camera pointing, like we can all help. But in

0:31:26.200 --> 0:31:29.600
<v Speaker 2>my experience in Atlanta, with car break ins and house

0:31:29.640 --> 0:31:34.320
<v Speaker 2>break ins, I've had both, they don't help you catch anybody.

0:31:34.600 --> 0:31:38.360
<v Speaker 2>They don't help stop anyone. So it's almost more like, hey,

0:31:38.400 --> 0:31:42.280
<v Speaker 2>you want to watch some guys steal your stuff? Right, Yeah,

0:31:42.480 --> 0:31:46.560
<v Speaker 2>police can't really do much with them, and it certainly

0:31:46.560 --> 0:31:49.200
<v Speaker 2>doesn't keep anyone from doing anything. So I don't know

0:31:49.240 --> 0:31:51.960
<v Speaker 2>it's good for more than just like break in security.

0:31:52.040 --> 0:31:53.400
<v Speaker 2>I think there are a lot of if you have

0:31:53.480 --> 0:31:56.160
<v Speaker 2>dogs and you're like, want to see what your dog's doing,

0:31:56.280 --> 0:31:59.800
<v Speaker 2>is eating the wrong thing or throwing up or you know,

0:32:00.040 --> 0:32:03.000
<v Speaker 2>it's beneficial for a lot of different reasons, but catching

0:32:03.000 --> 0:32:05.640
<v Speaker 2>a bad guy at my experience, security cameras don't really

0:32:05.680 --> 0:32:06.080
<v Speaker 2>help with that.

0:32:06.360 --> 0:32:09.960
<v Speaker 1>No, you're likelier to have some weird footage from your

0:32:10.000 --> 0:32:13.200
<v Speaker 1>camera end up on the national news or America's funniest.

0:32:12.800 --> 0:32:15.200
<v Speaker 2>Toying exactly catch a UFO or something.

0:32:15.440 --> 0:32:19.400
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, yeah, you are likelier to catch a UFO

0:32:19.520 --> 0:32:22.320
<v Speaker 1>than somebody stealing packages off of your porch with your

0:32:22.360 --> 0:32:23.400
<v Speaker 1>security camera.

0:32:24.720 --> 0:32:26.800
<v Speaker 2>Sort of. The real deal here is like one day

0:32:26.800 --> 0:32:28.760
<v Speaker 2>when they can come up with a system where it's

0:32:28.800 --> 0:32:34.240
<v Speaker 2>built into Amtrak and subways and airports, so all of

0:32:34.280 --> 0:32:38.480
<v Speaker 2>these sort of heavily used public spaces are just charging

0:32:38.520 --> 0:32:39.360
<v Speaker 2>everyone's everything.

0:32:39.840 --> 0:32:46.120
<v Speaker 1>Yes, And the problems are the same with the wireless

0:32:46.480 --> 0:32:50.640
<v Speaker 1>phone charging just across the board. Anytime we're talking about

0:32:50.640 --> 0:32:55.160
<v Speaker 1>wireless power transfer, it's the inefficiency is what's the big

0:32:55.200 --> 0:33:00.120
<v Speaker 1>stumbling block right now. Yeah, the further you get away

0:33:00.120 --> 0:33:06.640
<v Speaker 1>from the charger, Yeah, the less power the receiver is getting.

0:33:07.040 --> 0:33:11.680
<v Speaker 1>The most i've seen, I think that ar Chose security

0:33:11.720 --> 0:33:17.880
<v Speaker 1>camera gets like less than a wt thirty feet away

0:33:17.960 --> 0:33:20.320
<v Speaker 1>at its maximum distance, which is still I mean thirty

0:33:20.320 --> 0:33:21.320
<v Speaker 1>feet is a decent.

0:33:21.160 --> 0:33:22.480
<v Speaker 2>Decent Is that enough to power it?

0:33:23.800 --> 0:33:26.800
<v Speaker 1>I think as long as it had you probably would

0:33:26.800 --> 0:33:29.560
<v Speaker 1>have to charge it first, plug in when you first

0:33:29.560 --> 0:33:32.640
<v Speaker 1>get it, and then if it had continuous contact it

0:33:32.680 --> 0:33:34.080
<v Speaker 1>was constantly receiving it.

0:33:34.520 --> 0:33:34.840
<v Speaker 2>I don't know.

0:33:35.320 --> 0:33:37.120
<v Speaker 1>I would hope that they would design it so that

0:33:37.160 --> 0:33:40.360
<v Speaker 1>it uses less energy than that can get it its

0:33:40.400 --> 0:33:42.640
<v Speaker 1>maximum distance. I don't know, but that could be a

0:33:42.720 --> 0:33:45.200
<v Speaker 1>challenge right now. That's the kind of inefficiency problems that

0:33:45.200 --> 0:33:49.720
<v Speaker 1>it's running into. I think typically when you try to

0:33:49.800 --> 0:33:54.880
<v Speaker 1>transmit electricity through an electromagnetic beam, you get about twenty

0:33:54.920 --> 0:33:58.480
<v Speaker 1>percent on the other end of what you sent out.

0:33:59.240 --> 0:34:03.080
<v Speaker 1>And that's even a step backwards from what the Jet

0:34:03.160 --> 0:34:06.800
<v Speaker 1>Propulsion Lab did. They got forty nine percent across a mile.

0:34:07.400 --> 0:34:09.759
<v Speaker 1>So I guess they just didn't tell anybody how to

0:34:09.800 --> 0:34:12.440
<v Speaker 1>do what they did, because we're still catching up to

0:34:12.480 --> 0:34:16.160
<v Speaker 1>what they did in nineteen seventy five. But so even

0:34:16.160 --> 0:34:19.040
<v Speaker 1>if you're like, okay, we're getting twenty percent of the

0:34:19.080 --> 0:34:23.080
<v Speaker 1>electricity that we are generating converting to an electromagnetic wave,

0:34:23.600 --> 0:34:26.879
<v Speaker 1>transmitting to another receiver, and then converting back to electricity,

0:34:26.960 --> 0:34:30.440
<v Speaker 1>we're losing eighty percent of that. That is ridiculously inefficient.

0:34:30.840 --> 0:34:33.200
<v Speaker 1>And people in the industry, which is basically just nothing

0:34:33.239 --> 0:34:37.560
<v Speaker 1>but startups and venture capitalists right now are saying, well, well, yes,

0:34:37.719 --> 0:34:41.000
<v Speaker 1>that's true, that's ridiculously inefficient. But we're talking about replacing

0:34:41.040 --> 0:34:44.640
<v Speaker 1>batteries right here, and the cost of the electricity that

0:34:44.800 --> 0:34:48.880
<v Speaker 1>is wasted is like five thousand times less than the

0:34:48.920 --> 0:34:52.080
<v Speaker 1>cost of a double a disposable battery. So really, if

0:34:52.080 --> 0:34:55.120
<v Speaker 1>you look at it in terms like that, it's we're

0:34:55.160 --> 0:34:57.960
<v Speaker 1>not that far off from it being cost effective if

0:34:58.000 --> 0:34:59.640
<v Speaker 1>we can use it to replace batteries.

0:35:01.160 --> 0:35:04.399
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And one of the cool pieces of or cool

0:35:04.400 --> 0:35:06.560
<v Speaker 2>parts of this tech is let's say you have a

0:35:06.640 --> 0:35:10.200
<v Speaker 2>room that's set up to charge everything in there. It's

0:35:10.760 --> 0:35:13.960
<v Speaker 2>apparently with this OSA system, it is it's bouncing all

0:35:13.960 --> 0:35:16.440
<v Speaker 2>over the room, pinging like one hundred times a second.

0:35:17.080 --> 0:35:19.200
<v Speaker 2>So it's not like if you turn your back, it's

0:35:19.239 --> 0:35:22.000
<v Speaker 2>not shooting waves through your body and we'll get to

0:35:22.040 --> 0:35:26.080
<v Speaker 2>safety here after the break. But regardless of that, it

0:35:26.200 --> 0:35:28.319
<v Speaker 2>bounces around you. If you have your phone up to

0:35:28.360 --> 0:35:31.120
<v Speaker 2>your head, it will bounce around your head off the

0:35:31.160 --> 0:35:33.400
<v Speaker 2>back wall to hit the back of that phone.

0:35:34.760 --> 0:35:36.600
<v Speaker 1>Oh really, the OSA system does.

0:35:36.440 --> 0:35:40.720
<v Speaker 2>That, Yeah, supposedly, and only delivers power like if something

0:35:40.760 --> 0:35:44.319
<v Speaker 2>needs it, so it's not constantly on and supposedly we'll

0:35:44.360 --> 0:35:47.959
<v Speaker 2>prioritize whatever's in the room that needs juice the.

0:35:47.880 --> 0:35:52.000
<v Speaker 1>Most smart Yeah, because just like RFI D tags that

0:35:52.200 --> 0:35:56.920
<v Speaker 1>chargers constantly surveying the stuff in the room that has

0:35:57.040 --> 0:36:00.680
<v Speaker 1>right a coder receiver attached to it and saying like,

0:36:00.840 --> 0:36:02.640
<v Speaker 1>where are you at, what's your levels? You need some

0:36:02.760 --> 0:36:05.279
<v Speaker 1>you need some juice. I got some for you. They're like, no,

0:36:05.280 --> 0:36:07.080
<v Speaker 1>not right now. I'm good, okay, but I'm here if

0:36:07.120 --> 0:36:10.040
<v Speaker 1>you need it kind of thing. Yeah, So I didn't

0:36:10.040 --> 0:36:12.600
<v Speaker 1>know that it actually went around people, though, which is

0:36:12.640 --> 0:36:16.680
<v Speaker 1>a big deal, because that's a genuine concern at this point.

0:36:17.000 --> 0:36:22.240
<v Speaker 1>If you're beaming electricity throughout a home, if you're creating

0:36:22.280 --> 0:36:27.800
<v Speaker 1>an electrical field that's just indiscriminately moving everywhere in a room,

0:36:27.960 --> 0:36:30.880
<v Speaker 1>it's going to come in contact with things that are conductive. So,

0:36:31.000 --> 0:36:35.320
<v Speaker 1>like someone one issue I've seen raised is the idea

0:36:35.360 --> 0:36:37.880
<v Speaker 1>that you're just yeah, your pots and pants are going

0:36:37.960 --> 0:36:39.960
<v Speaker 1>to get super hot just sitting in the drawer in

0:36:39.960 --> 0:36:45.160
<v Speaker 1>your kitchen. Yeah, if you're using microwaves, if the microwave

0:36:45.200 --> 0:36:48.360
<v Speaker 1>is powerful enough it can cook you from the inside out,

0:36:48.520 --> 0:36:50.120
<v Speaker 1>that doesn't seem to be a threat. I mean, the

0:36:50.160 --> 0:36:53.080
<v Speaker 1>people who are designing these things are like well aware

0:36:53.120 --> 0:36:56.200
<v Speaker 1>of the dangers of microwaves cooking human beings. So the

0:36:56.239 --> 0:36:59.640
<v Speaker 1>stuff they're they're like deliberately setting these things at levels

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<v Speaker 1>that wouldn't be able to do that, but it just

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<v Speaker 1>kind of goes to show like that's the stage that

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<v Speaker 1>where i'd is like, that's still technically possible with what

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<v Speaker 1>we're doing. Laser beams can still shoot you in the eye.

0:37:11.760 --> 0:37:13.000
<v Speaker 1>They could still burn your skin.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, those are the ones that don't hang around the room.

0:37:15.440 --> 0:37:17.400
<v Speaker 2>If it's laser base, then you have to have a

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<v Speaker 2>direct line.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, and supposedly if you get in between the laser

0:37:21.400 --> 0:37:25.880
<v Speaker 1>and the receiver, it just automatically turns off. But you know,

0:37:26.000 --> 0:37:27.839
<v Speaker 1>there's still that moment that singes your hair.

0:37:28.719 --> 0:37:31.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, or you could have the high tech mirrored system

0:37:32.000 --> 0:37:35.200
<v Speaker 2>like any bank security in the movies, or I'm sorry,

0:37:35.280 --> 0:37:38.600
<v Speaker 2>museum security. Probably, Oh yeah, like that, like shooting the

0:37:38.640 --> 0:37:39.760
<v Speaker 2>lasers all around grid.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, for sure, that's awesome.

0:37:41.560 --> 0:37:43.319
<v Speaker 2>And then before you know it, Catherine Zada Jones is

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<v Speaker 2>slinking underneath one of those things.

0:37:44.960 --> 0:37:46.880
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and you're like, what are you doing in my kitchen?

0:37:48.960 --> 0:37:50.880
<v Speaker 2>You're too old to be slinking around like that lady.

0:37:51.320 --> 0:37:52.320
<v Speaker 2>You know, pull a muscle.

0:37:53.760 --> 0:37:55.399
<v Speaker 1>So what else is there?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, we should take a break probably, oh yeah, yeah,

0:37:58.200 --> 0:38:01.480
<v Speaker 2>and then we'll come back and bush up with the

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<v Speaker 2>serious future right after this.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, Chuck, So we're talking about future applications that like,

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<v Speaker 1>this is the real whiz bang stuff that I'm just

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<v Speaker 1>really jazzed about because we're approaching that dream that Tesla

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<v Speaker 1>had of fulfilling that dream of basically creating a world

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<v Speaker 1>where everything's just getting wireless power all the time.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. So there's a group called the Persistent Optical. This

0:38:55.360 --> 0:38:58.440
<v Speaker 2>is a plan the Persistent and we love our acronyms.

0:38:58.440 --> 0:39:02.960
<v Speaker 2>Is one of the best assistant optical wireless energy relay.

0:39:03.239 --> 0:39:04.080
<v Speaker 2>What does that spell?

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<v Speaker 1>Power? What have you got power?

0:39:10.000 --> 0:39:12.040
<v Speaker 2>It's a great one. I love it when it perfectly

0:39:12.080 --> 0:39:15.120
<v Speaker 2>aligns like that. And that was proposed by the US

0:39:15.160 --> 0:39:20.000
<v Speaker 2>Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency, which we all know is DARPA.

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<v Speaker 2>And this is a situation where they could beam electricity

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<v Speaker 2>from a web of aircraft flying above onto the ground

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<v Speaker 2>into let's say, either you know Libya's aid a conflict zone,

0:39:36.520 --> 0:39:41.640
<v Speaker 2>but maybe a disaster zone where there's no power on

0:39:41.680 --> 0:39:44.560
<v Speaker 2>the ground anymore and people are dying. Potentially a web

0:39:44.600 --> 0:39:48.520
<v Speaker 2>of aircraft above could shoot this stuff down to the ground.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, but it does have immediate military applications because just

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<v Speaker 1>like how you know, people were saying, like, wait a minute,

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<v Speaker 1>we have twenty percent efficiency of the electricity where we're

0:40:00.360 --> 0:40:06.239
<v Speaker 1>transmitting here. Yeah, the same thing is running into this

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<v Speaker 1>problem too, Like there's a loss of efficiency. But even

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<v Speaker 1>if there's a massive loss of efficiency, it's still more

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<v Speaker 1>efficient than literally flying in tanks of oil and gasoline. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>into a conflicts owner disaster area, filling up generators and

0:40:21.920 --> 0:40:25.800
<v Speaker 1>then plugging into those. It'd be still much more efficient

0:40:25.880 --> 0:40:28.680
<v Speaker 1>than that. And because it'd be more efficient, because it

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<v Speaker 1>would just give such a ridiculous advantage on the battlefield.

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<v Speaker 1>This is probably coming down the pike.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but like you said, they have a leg up

0:40:40.960 --> 0:40:44.319
<v Speaker 2>because it's so inefficient. The alternative that we've been using

0:40:44.520 --> 0:40:47.320
<v Speaker 2>is that it doesn't have to be as efficient as

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<v Speaker 2>like a home version that we're talking about for people

0:40:51.000 --> 0:40:52.960
<v Speaker 2>to get on board, because that's one of the problems

0:40:53.080 --> 0:40:57.439
<v Speaker 2>is people aren't gonna start buying this stuff up. Even

0:40:57.440 --> 0:41:00.960
<v Speaker 2>that cool system we were talking about out for like

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<v Speaker 2>one room, you'd have to be a really you have

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<v Speaker 2>to have a lot of money and be a super

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<v Speaker 2>into early tech adoption to just kind of show it

0:41:09.040 --> 0:41:13.160
<v Speaker 2>off to friends. At this point, to make it mass marketed,

0:41:13.200 --> 0:41:17.280
<v Speaker 2>they have to make it so everybody sees the benefit

0:41:17.320 --> 0:41:21.279
<v Speaker 2>and can afford it, and that's not the case with

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<v Speaker 2>these potential military applications.

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<v Speaker 1>No, but it's sad but true that the military research

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<v Speaker 1>and development has trickled down to a lot of really

0:41:30.440 --> 0:41:33.200
<v Speaker 1>important consumer items for short years too. And this could

0:41:33.239 --> 0:41:34.399
<v Speaker 1>be the same exact thing.

0:41:34.880 --> 0:41:35.320
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Absolutely, there's another There's a group in New Zealand called

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<v Speaker 1>EMROD and they are basically creating line of sight towers

0:41:44.880 --> 0:41:47.080
<v Speaker 1>to where that just beams from one to the other,

0:41:47.160 --> 0:41:51.239
<v Speaker 1>basically like those bonfire towers and Lord of the Rings. Yeah,

0:41:51.440 --> 0:41:53.720
<v Speaker 1>it's just the same thing, but rather than like line

0:41:53.719 --> 0:41:57.879
<v Speaker 1>of sight, you're transmitting electromagnetic waves carrying energy, and then

0:41:57.920 --> 0:42:00.520
<v Speaker 1>at the other end, or probably at each of one

0:42:00.560 --> 0:42:03.360
<v Speaker 1>of these transmitters, you're able to convert it to usable

0:42:03.400 --> 0:42:06.600
<v Speaker 1>electricity and then you know, power up a disaster area,

0:42:06.680 --> 0:42:09.279
<v Speaker 1>a rural area, whatever area you want to.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't remember that from Lord of the Rings. Is

0:42:11.560 --> 0:42:14.239
<v Speaker 2>it just a signal over long distance? Yeah, like that,

0:42:14.320 --> 0:42:15.480
<v Speaker 2>like a bit visually signal.

0:42:15.600 --> 0:42:18.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, from like mountaintop to mountain top. They had like

0:42:18.040 --> 0:42:20.360
<v Speaker 1>a bomb fire and then at anybody else noticed it

0:42:20.400 --> 0:42:22.120
<v Speaker 1>and they let their bombfire and it was like a

0:42:22.920 --> 0:42:26.319
<v Speaker 1>transmission of information. That's what we're talking about in much

0:42:26.360 --> 0:42:28.960
<v Speaker 1>the same way that Wi Fi transmits information. We're talking

0:42:28.960 --> 0:42:32.680
<v Speaker 1>about the same exact thing, using the same essentially kind

0:42:32.719 --> 0:42:39.440
<v Speaker 1>of electromagnetic spectrum, but instead to transmit energy rather than information.

0:42:40.000 --> 0:42:43.640
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Absolutely, Like people don't freak out over a Wi

0:42:43.640 --> 0:42:45.880
<v Speaker 2>Fi being being through their house and it's essentially the

0:42:45.880 --> 0:42:46.279
<v Speaker 2>same thing.

0:42:46.440 --> 0:42:50.080
<v Speaker 1>Some people do, like Chuck McGill from Wood.

0:42:50.320 --> 0:42:52.319
<v Speaker 2>No, no, no, I haven't seen that, but I know there

0:42:52.360 --> 0:42:52.960
<v Speaker 2>are people.

0:42:53.120 --> 0:42:56.960
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So there's a really exciting application with that New

0:42:57.040 --> 0:43:03.440
<v Speaker 1>Zealand structure where to tower. Yeah, the emrod one is

0:43:04.440 --> 0:43:08.520
<v Speaker 1>they could you could transfer wind energy from remote places

0:43:09.520 --> 0:43:14.640
<v Speaker 1>to an urban area that really needs that electricity, all

0:43:14.680 --> 0:43:17.720
<v Speaker 1>those renewables. So it's like the fatal flaws like you

0:43:17.440 --> 0:43:19.960
<v Speaker 1>they they're too far away from the grid. Nope, not

0:43:20.000 --> 0:43:23.880
<v Speaker 1>any longer. You can transmit it wirelessly through New Zealand

0:43:23.880 --> 0:43:24.360
<v Speaker 1>at least.

0:43:24.960 --> 0:43:27.800
<v Speaker 2>Well talking about being too far away, too far away.

0:43:28.000 --> 0:43:31.920
<v Speaker 2>The think about being an outer space and having a

0:43:31.960 --> 0:43:36.960
<v Speaker 2>web of satellites outfitted with these huge solar panels far

0:43:37.000 --> 0:43:40.919
<v Speaker 2>above the Earth that could transmit energy down as microwaves.

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<v Speaker 2>That is not out of the realm of possibility. In fact,

0:43:45.560 --> 0:43:48.879
<v Speaker 2>it's even been done just last year in twenty twenty three,

0:43:49.880 --> 0:43:54.560
<v Speaker 2>cal Tech, Yes, Caltech Space Power Project, they sent a

0:43:54.600 --> 0:43:58.240
<v Speaker 2>detectable amount of energy from a satellite to Earth.

0:43:58.440 --> 0:43:58.760
<v Speaker 1>Wow.

0:43:59.680 --> 0:44:01.480
<v Speaker 2>You know, I don't think they were charging a car

0:44:01.560 --> 0:44:04.160
<v Speaker 2>or anything like that, but they showed that it's possible.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and get this, Chuck, I mean, aside from the

0:44:06.400 --> 0:44:11.920
<v Speaker 1>infrastructure costs involved, that's free energy. You're just taking solar

0:44:12.040 --> 0:44:14.359
<v Speaker 1>energy and transmitting it, even if it's just a little

0:44:14.360 --> 0:44:17.160
<v Speaker 1>bit and there's a massive loss of efficiency. You're not

0:44:17.280 --> 0:44:20.600
<v Speaker 1>burning coal to get that. You're just you just built

0:44:20.600 --> 0:44:23.279
<v Speaker 1>a satellite that's harvesting it out and outer space, which

0:44:23.320 --> 0:44:24.560
<v Speaker 1>is a huge advantage, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>Totally.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's like the first step toward a Dyson sphere. Really,

0:44:30.200 --> 0:44:33.480
<v Speaker 1>if you think about it, I love it. That's the

0:44:33.480 --> 0:44:34.840
<v Speaker 1>one I was jazz the most.

0:44:34.600 --> 0:44:36.800
<v Speaker 2>About the satellite one.

0:44:37.400 --> 0:44:40.879
<v Speaker 1>Yes, harvesting solar injury in space and transmitting it as

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<v Speaker 1>a usable power down on Earth. That is jazz worthy

0:44:45.880 --> 0:44:46.320
<v Speaker 1>for sure.

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<v Speaker 2>Totally.

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<v Speaker 1>You got anything else?

0:44:49.120 --> 0:44:49.959
<v Speaker 2>I got nothing else?

0:44:50.200 --> 0:44:52.600
<v Speaker 1>All right, Well, Chuck has nothing else. Neither do I.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll just have to sit and wait and see what

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<v Speaker 1>the future holds. And while we do that, let's say

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