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Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, get this. We're coming probably to a city

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Speaker 2: That's right. We're gonna be in Medford, Massachusetts, Washington, DC,

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Speaker 2: on the fifth of September, and then Atlanta on the seventh.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to Stuff you Should Know, a production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 1: Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh and there's

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Speaker 1: Chuck and Jerry's here too, and we're just futzing around

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Speaker 1: having fun doing what we do. You're on Stuff you

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Speaker 1: Should Know that right tex Stuff Edition It is heads

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Speaker 1: off to John Strickland, who's still doing it all these.

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Speaker 2: Years, we're all still doing it.

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Speaker 1: I know they won't let us stop.

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Speaker 2: My god, we're still doing it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I think he's in year fifteen now.

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Speaker 2: Uh I was, Yeah, he was like shortly after us, right.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, right out on the heels. I can always

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Speaker 1: feel them breathing on our neck. It's really gross. He

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Speaker 2: Gross.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, the reason you said this is Tech Stuff

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Speaker 1: It's future facing m hm, and it's the kind of

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Speaker 1: tech stuff.

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Speaker 2: Ahoy, everyone except me.

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Speaker 1: You don't want this.

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Speaker 2: I know. The whole time I was reading it, I

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Speaker 2: was like, man, it just sounds like a lot of

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Speaker 2: work to just not have to plug in your phone.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it is a lot of word to just not

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Speaker 1: have to plug in your phone. But I mean, haven't

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Speaker 1: these wires are just so stupid, Like I hate having

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Speaker 1: a it's a little more of a pain if you

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Speaker 1: stop and think about it, then it appears because we're

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Speaker 1: used to it. We've lived under the tyranny of courts

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Speaker 1: for so long. It's normal to us. But it's not normal, Chuck.

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Speaker 2: Oh, so you're thinking of future where nothing in your

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Speaker 2: house is plugged in precisely? Oh no, sure, great, I.

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Speaker 1: Can't wait for that day. I cannot wait for that.

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Speaker 1: And not only that, there's a there's the The last

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Speaker 2: Uh Okay, I don't want to spoil.

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Speaker 1: It, so don't don't don't bring it up. But everybody,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And what we're talking about is wireless electricity, or

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Speaker 2: more appropriately, wireless power transfer. Because if you think about

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Speaker 1: But imagine if that that charger, that pad that you

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Speaker 2: So Tesla's got his party tricks happening. May or may

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Speaker 2: It's kind of fun to watch a William Brown of

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Speaker 2: Like? How many times in part to pass this hula

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Speaker 1: Right? So that that was a huge, huge accomplishment, And

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Speaker 1: In nineteen seventy five, NASA's Jet Propulsion Lab transmitted I

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Speaker 1: They light up crops of light bulbs when they're demonstrating

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Speaker 2: You know, how to really get their goat. It's just

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Speaker 1: Man, I would just start bleeding out of my ears.

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Speaker 2: So this can happen in a couple of ways, and

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Speaker 2: you walk in and everything's just like charging the second

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Speaker 2: U inner. But these days we have what's called nearfield

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Speaker 2: and what I like to call further afield, but farfield

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Speaker 2: two different ways those are happening, but those are examples

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Speaker 2: That little nubbin is only there to keep that thing upright.

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Speaker 2: It's not conducting electricity at all, is it?

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Speaker 1: As far as I know, No, because the whole thing's

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Speaker 1: fully sealed, so the electricity is going from plastic to

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Speaker 2: So it looks like a little like a charging stump.

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Speaker 1: we're talking about at this point is called wireless in duction.

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Speaker 1: In charging, it's the same kind of principle that you

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Speaker 2: Yeah. The only time I will do that is camping.

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Speaker 1: way to convert electricity to electromagnetic energy and then a

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00:23:11,040 --> 00:23:13,760
Speaker 1: way to convert it back on the other side, and

438
00:23:13,760 --> 00:23:16,120
Speaker 1: then you've just transmitted power from a distance.

439
00:23:16,200 --> 00:23:19,680
Speaker 2: That's what they're possible already, right, They just absolutely haven't

440
00:23:19,720 --> 00:23:23,440
Speaker 2: figured out a great consumer application because it's not efficient

441
00:23:23,560 --> 00:23:24,879
Speaker 2: or great jeap.

442
00:23:25,200 --> 00:23:27,800
Speaker 1: That's the problem. It's not cheap and it's inefficient. So

443
00:23:28,160 --> 00:23:32,120
Speaker 1: yes that I believe there are consumer products out there,

444
00:23:32,240 --> 00:23:34,720
Speaker 1: just a handful of them that you can spend a

445
00:23:34,840 --> 00:23:38,320
Speaker 1: lot of money on and be like, look, this thing's charging.

446
00:23:39,080 --> 00:23:41,760
Speaker 1: It takes forty eight hours to get to five percent,

447
00:23:41,800 --> 00:23:46,119
Speaker 1: but it's charging wirelessly. That's where we're at right now.

448
00:23:46,440 --> 00:23:49,119
Speaker 1: But it is possible. People have figured it out. But

449
00:23:49,359 --> 00:23:52,479
Speaker 1: just like with that CHI protocol, with like the charging

450
00:23:52,560 --> 00:23:55,960
Speaker 1: pads that the industry is in the same place right

451
00:23:56,000 --> 00:24:01,640
Speaker 1: now with figuring out a a common protocol for everybody

452
00:24:01,680 --> 00:24:03,359
Speaker 1: to use now. So it's kind of the wild West

453
00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:05,960
Speaker 1: any they're trying to figure out the best way to

454
00:24:06,040 --> 00:24:08,639
Speaker 1: efficiently do it and also safely do it, as we'll see.

455
00:24:09,160 --> 00:24:12,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, in one application they can use it on today

456
00:24:12,400 --> 00:24:15,159
Speaker 2: that does make sense. And Livia dug this up and

457
00:24:15,320 --> 00:24:16,920
Speaker 2: helped out, and this one makes a lot of sense.

458
00:24:17,320 --> 00:24:24,359
Speaker 2: With RFID tags radio frequency identification tags, and you've probably

459
00:24:24,400 --> 00:24:27,320
Speaker 2: heard of these. There's all kinds of applications for these,

460
00:24:27,359 --> 00:24:31,720
Speaker 2: but one of the big applications is if you have

461
00:24:31,800 --> 00:24:34,639
Speaker 2: like a warehouse full of stuff, instead of having a

462
00:24:34,680 --> 00:24:37,720
Speaker 2: barcode on every single thing that you have to walk

463
00:24:37,840 --> 00:24:41,480
Speaker 2: up to with a bar code scanner like several inches

464
00:24:41,480 --> 00:24:44,680
Speaker 2: away or whatever, you can track your inventory more efficiently

465
00:24:44,720 --> 00:24:47,840
Speaker 2: because it can if you do it through RFID, you

466
00:24:47,880 --> 00:24:50,760
Speaker 2: can group things together, you can scan a bunch of

467
00:24:50,800 --> 00:24:53,879
Speaker 2: stuff at once, you can scan it from three, four

468
00:24:53,960 --> 00:24:55,919
Speaker 2: or five feet away, maybe you don't have to be

469
00:24:56,040 --> 00:24:59,720
Speaker 2: right there up on it. So using this technology to

470
00:24:59,800 --> 00:25:03,439
Speaker 2: have little RFID tags that don't require batteries is a

471
00:25:03,880 --> 00:25:05,000
Speaker 2: realistic application.

472
00:25:05,720 --> 00:25:07,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you just said a mouthful with that. They

473
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Speaker 1: don't require batteries, because that's a big reason why you

474
00:25:11,080 --> 00:25:14,879
Speaker 1: would want to use something like wireless power transfer is

475
00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:19,000
Speaker 1: with the little RFID tags, they have an antenna in them,

476
00:25:19,119 --> 00:25:22,000
Speaker 1: but they don't actually have any power. They're not internally powered.

477
00:25:22,200 --> 00:25:25,600
Speaker 1: But when that radio wave hits it, it carries just

478
00:25:25,720 --> 00:25:29,159
Speaker 1: enough energy to make contact with it, give it a

479
00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:34,119
Speaker 1: little juice. There's a modulator inside that takes that radio

480
00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:37,879
Speaker 1: wave and converts it back to shoot back out to

481
00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:41,840
Speaker 1: the scanner with a little with its number associated with it.

482
00:25:41,960 --> 00:25:44,840
Speaker 1: All without batteries. It just uses They figured out how

483
00:25:44,880 --> 00:25:47,879
Speaker 1: to use the energy in that electromagnetic wave in the

484
00:25:47,880 --> 00:25:52,639
Speaker 1: form of radio waves, and so we're already doing this again.

485
00:25:52,680 --> 00:25:55,639
Speaker 1: It's just really inefficient. But they're onto something with that

486
00:25:55,720 --> 00:25:57,960
Speaker 1: because you know, we've entered the Internet of Things. I

487
00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:00,680
Speaker 1: think we did a whole episode on that way. I'll

488
00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:02,280
Speaker 1: bet that needs so much updating.

489
00:26:02,520 --> 00:26:03,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, probably so.

490
00:26:03,840 --> 00:26:06,880
Speaker 1: But all the little like sensors in your refrigerator, all

491
00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:13,120
Speaker 1: the little little gadgets, the thing that connects your refrigerator,

492
00:26:13,160 --> 00:26:15,880
Speaker 1: the to Wi Fi. Now all of these things are

493
00:26:15,880 --> 00:26:20,040
Speaker 1: like really tiny little components and the smaller the component.

494
00:26:20,520 --> 00:26:23,359
Speaker 1: The harder it is to put a decent battery in there,

495
00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:26,480
Speaker 1: and you also kind of want a rechargeable battery too,

496
00:26:27,400 --> 00:26:29,800
Speaker 1: but some of them don't have batteries. They still are

497
00:26:29,800 --> 00:26:31,600
Speaker 1: going to report that say like you're running it low

498
00:26:31,640 --> 00:26:35,680
Speaker 1: on ketchup or something like that. Wireless energy would be

499
00:26:35,760 --> 00:26:37,720
Speaker 1: able to do the same thing that we're doing with

500
00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:41,680
Speaker 1: RFID tags, but with the little sensors and chargers that

501
00:26:41,720 --> 00:26:44,760
Speaker 1: make up the Internet of things that make your home

502
00:26:44,800 --> 00:26:45,520
Speaker 1: a smart home.

503
00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:49,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, or to not have to have a follow up

504
00:26:49,600 --> 00:26:52,480
Speaker 2: surgeries to replace batteries in your pacemaker would be pretty.

505
00:26:52,240 --> 00:26:56,000
Speaker 1: Remarkable, Yeah, Because that's another like really big part of this,

506
00:26:56,080 --> 00:26:58,679
Speaker 1: in addition to like the whole g whiz aspect of

507
00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:01,280
Speaker 1: it and the no chords they which I'm really happy about.

508
00:27:02,040 --> 00:27:05,040
Speaker 1: The bigger point in the near term is that it

509
00:27:05,040 --> 00:27:08,800
Speaker 1: will do weigh with disposable batteries. All will have is

510
00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:11,639
Speaker 1: rechargeable batteries. If we have any batteries at all. Some

511
00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:13,679
Speaker 1: things won't need it, but things that do need a

512
00:27:13,720 --> 00:27:17,400
Speaker 1: battery to keep going without a power source, those will

513
00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:21,000
Speaker 1: be rechargeable and they'll be more easily replenished with wireless

514
00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:24,640
Speaker 1: power transmission. So you can say goodbye to buying batteries

515
00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:26,960
Speaker 1: at the store. They'll just be gone and the earth

516
00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:29,000
Speaker 1: will breathe a deep, deep, happy sigh.

517
00:27:29,640 --> 00:27:32,760
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well that is, and now we're getting into sort

518
00:27:32,760 --> 00:27:37,040
Speaker 2: of your utopia, which is these companies that are exploring

519
00:27:38,119 --> 00:27:41,720
Speaker 2: initially probably like a room system and then eventually a

520
00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:44,639
Speaker 2: whole home system to where what you described at the

521
00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:46,359
Speaker 2: beginning of the show would be possible, where you can

522
00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:49,360
Speaker 2: walk in your house the second you walk in, your

523
00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:52,760
Speaker 2: phone is charging in your pocket. If you have a

524
00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:56,280
Speaker 2: smart home and you have like powered blinds on your windows,

525
00:27:56,600 --> 00:27:59,080
Speaker 2: those are always charged. They're not plugged in. If you

526
00:27:59,160 --> 00:28:03,119
Speaker 2: have remote control for your TV and everything else in

527
00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:07,800
Speaker 2: your home, they actually have a tiny battery made by

528
00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:11,959
Speaker 2: the company. In this case, I mean, we can go

529
00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:13,800
Speaker 2: back and talk about Guru, but there's a company called

530
00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:17,960
Speaker 2: Oca inc Ossia, and they have a system called the

531
00:28:18,080 --> 00:28:22,399
Speaker 2: Kota system Ota, and that's the idea is you have

532
00:28:22,600 --> 00:28:25,639
Speaker 2: a unit in your house. It looks sort of like

533
00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:30,440
Speaker 2: a well it's a little smaller than a board game

534
00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:32,639
Speaker 2: and a little more square, and it's just a little

535
00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:38,720
Speaker 2: transmitting stand and it shoots power across the room. It

536
00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:44,200
Speaker 2: bounces it around and you have receivers that are attached

537
00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:47,120
Speaker 2: to your devices, like your receiver would be built into

538
00:28:47,120 --> 00:28:49,840
Speaker 2: your phone case in the case of a phone. Or

539
00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:53,520
Speaker 2: they're making what they're calling forever batteries, which is a

540
00:28:53,520 --> 00:28:56,200
Speaker 2: little double a battery that actually has a tiny receiver

541
00:28:56,320 --> 00:28:59,600
Speaker 2: in it, so that remote control battery will never die

542
00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:03,400
Speaker 2: and it essentially just makes any device in your house

543
00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:08,480
Speaker 2: compatible with this transmitter. The one thing I wondered about, though,

544
00:29:08,760 --> 00:29:12,080
Speaker 2: was like, well, when is duras El gonna buy them

545
00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:13,520
Speaker 2: out and just shut it down?

546
00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:16,520
Speaker 1: Oh? Man, I hope we don't run into something like that.

547
00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:21,160
Speaker 1: I mean, big battery is a major threat to democracy, true,

548
00:29:22,040 --> 00:29:25,120
Speaker 1: but I don't know. I think I don't know. I

549
00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:27,720
Speaker 1: think these other startups have some pretty good clout too.

550
00:29:28,280 --> 00:29:31,719
Speaker 2: Well, should we talk about Guru then, sure? Jumping back

551
00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:32,920
Speaker 2: a little, Guru.

552
00:29:32,600 --> 00:29:37,880
Speaker 1: Got together with Motorola and two years ago they debuted

553
00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:41,720
Speaker 1: basically a charger, an over the air charger, a wireless

554
00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:44,600
Speaker 1: power charger that was very similar in design. It seems

555
00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:49,400
Speaker 1: like to that Coda charger, and it can I think,

556
00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:53,200
Speaker 1: charge four phones at once up to ten feet away

557
00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:57,120
Speaker 1: with one hundred degree field of vision, which is pretty cool.

558
00:29:57,280 --> 00:29:59,800
Speaker 1: It's still not out to market. I think people are like, yeah,

559
00:29:59,800 --> 00:30:02,400
Speaker 1: but you guys didn't mention how efficient it is, like

560
00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:06,000
Speaker 1: how many watts does it transfer? And motoroles like stop

561
00:30:06,040 --> 00:30:08,360
Speaker 1: asking questions and they went back to the drawing board.

562
00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:12,240
Speaker 1: But the code of stuff seems like it's so close

563
00:30:12,280 --> 00:30:15,560
Speaker 1: it might actually already be available in some areas.

564
00:30:15,760 --> 00:30:17,920
Speaker 2: And didn't see it for sale yet, but I might

565
00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:18,320
Speaker 2: be wrong.

566
00:30:18,440 --> 00:30:22,840
Speaker 1: They are touting their wireless power security camera, the archos AR.

567
00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:25,840
Speaker 2: Now that's a good use, yeah for sure. Yeah, because

568
00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:29,000
Speaker 2: if you have a house where you didn't have like

569
00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:32,040
Speaker 2: you if you have security cameras whatever, you didn't have

570
00:30:32,040 --> 00:30:35,239
Speaker 2: them built in and wired initially, and you're just like, oh,

571
00:30:35,280 --> 00:30:39,400
Speaker 2: I want to get a Nest cameras or any other brand,

572
00:30:39,760 --> 00:30:41,960
Speaker 2: Like you got to plug those things in. Yeah, and

573
00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:44,880
Speaker 2: if they're outdoor cameras, you're either running wire to an

574
00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:48,000
Speaker 2: outdoor plug that someone could just unplug right or you're

575
00:30:48,040 --> 00:30:50,360
Speaker 2: drilling holes in your wall. So I think this is

576
00:30:50,360 --> 00:30:53,240
Speaker 2: a really realistic, like worthy application.

577
00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:55,960
Speaker 1: It's part of like my week to go around and

578
00:30:56,120 --> 00:30:59,960
Speaker 1: connect the charger, the outdoor charger to the outdoor cameras

579
00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:05,200
Speaker 1: and just top them off because they're not hardwired. So yeah,

580
00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:07,080
Speaker 1: I agree with you. I think it's a great application.

581
00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:09,320
Speaker 1: Now imagine that for your TV.

582
00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:15,880
Speaker 2: Although kind of make one complaint real quick about security cameras. Yeah,

583
00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:19,320
Speaker 2: they're great to have. They can help out with different

584
00:31:19,320 --> 00:31:21,440
Speaker 2: things and help out with neighbors. Hey I saw someone

585
00:31:21,480 --> 00:31:23,640
Speaker 2: and them like breaking into my car. Your neighbor has

586
00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:26,160
Speaker 2: a camera pointing, like we can all help. But in

587
00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:29,600
Speaker 2: my experience in Atlanta, with car break ins and house

588
00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:34,320
Speaker 2: break ins, I've had both, they don't help you catch anybody.

589
00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:38,360
Speaker 2: They don't help stop anyone. So it's almost more like, hey,

590
00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:42,280
Speaker 2: you want to watch some guys steal your stuff? Right, Yeah,

591
00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:46,560
Speaker 2: police can't really do much with them, and it certainly

592
00:31:46,560 --> 00:31:49,200
Speaker 2: doesn't keep anyone from doing anything. So I don't know

593
00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:51,960
Speaker 2: it's good for more than just like break in security.

594
00:31:52,040 --> 00:31:53,400
Speaker 2: I think there are a lot of if you have

595
00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:56,160
Speaker 2: dogs and you're like, want to see what your dog's doing,

596
00:31:56,280 --> 00:31:59,800
Speaker 2: is eating the wrong thing or throwing up or you know,

597
00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:03,000
Speaker 2: it's beneficial for a lot of different reasons, but catching

598
00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:05,640
Speaker 2: a bad guy at my experience, security cameras don't really

599
00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:06,080
Speaker 2: help with that.

600
00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:09,960
Speaker 1: No, you're likelier to have some weird footage from your

601
00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:13,200
Speaker 1: camera end up on the national news or America's funniest.

602
00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:15,200
Speaker 2: Toying exactly catch a UFO or something.

603
00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:19,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, you are likelier to catch a UFO

604
00:32:19,520 --> 00:32:22,320
Speaker 1: than somebody stealing packages off of your porch with your

605
00:32:22,360 --> 00:32:23,400
Speaker 1: security camera.

606
00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:26,800
Speaker 2: Sort of. The real deal here is like one day

607
00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:28,760
Speaker 2: when they can come up with a system where it's

608
00:32:28,800 --> 00:32:34,240
Speaker 2: built into Amtrak and subways and airports, so all of

609
00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:38,480
Speaker 2: these sort of heavily used public spaces are just charging

610
00:32:38,520 --> 00:32:39,360
Speaker 2: everyone's everything.

611
00:32:39,840 --> 00:32:46,120
Speaker 1: Yes, And the problems are the same with the wireless

612
00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:50,640
Speaker 1: phone charging just across the board. Anytime we're talking about

613
00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:55,160
Speaker 1: wireless power transfer, it's the inefficiency is what's the big

614
00:32:55,200 --> 00:33:00,120
Speaker 1: stumbling block right now. Yeah, the further you get away

615
00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:06,640
Speaker 1: from the charger, Yeah, the less power the receiver is getting.

616
00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:11,680
Speaker 1: The most i've seen, I think that ar Chose security

617
00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:17,880
Speaker 1: camera gets like less than a wt thirty feet away

618
00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:20,320
Speaker 1: at its maximum distance, which is still I mean thirty

619
00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:21,320
Speaker 1: feet is a decent.

620
00:33:21,160 --> 00:33:22,480
Speaker 2: Decent Is that enough to power it?

621
00:33:23,800 --> 00:33:26,800
Speaker 1: I think as long as it had you probably would

622
00:33:26,800 --> 00:33:29,560
Speaker 1: have to charge it first, plug in when you first

623
00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:32,640
Speaker 1: get it, and then if it had continuous contact it

624
00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:34,080
Speaker 1: was constantly receiving it.

625
00:33:34,520 --> 00:33:34,840
Speaker 2: I don't know.

626
00:33:35,320 --> 00:33:37,120
Speaker 1: I would hope that they would design it so that

627
00:33:37,160 --> 00:33:40,360
Speaker 1: it uses less energy than that can get it its

628
00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:42,640
Speaker 1: maximum distance. I don't know, but that could be a

629
00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:45,200
Speaker 1: challenge right now. That's the kind of inefficiency problems that

630
00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:49,720
Speaker 1: it's running into. I think typically when you try to

631
00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:54,880
Speaker 1: transmit electricity through an electromagnetic beam, you get about twenty

632
00:33:54,920 --> 00:33:58,480
Speaker 1: percent on the other end of what you sent out.

633
00:33:59,240 --> 00:34:03,080
Speaker 1: And that's even a step backwards from what the Jet

634
00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:06,800
Speaker 1: Propulsion Lab did. They got forty nine percent across a mile.

635
00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:09,759
Speaker 1: So I guess they just didn't tell anybody how to

636
00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:12,440
Speaker 1: do what they did, because we're still catching up to

637
00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:16,160
Speaker 1: what they did in nineteen seventy five. But so even

638
00:34:16,160 --> 00:34:19,040
Speaker 1: if you're like, okay, we're getting twenty percent of the

639
00:34:19,080 --> 00:34:23,080
Speaker 1: electricity that we are generating converting to an electromagnetic wave,

640
00:34:23,600 --> 00:34:26,879
Speaker 1: transmitting to another receiver, and then converting back to electricity,

641
00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:30,440
Speaker 1: we're losing eighty percent of that. That is ridiculously inefficient.

642
00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:33,200
Speaker 1: And people in the industry, which is basically just nothing

643
00:34:33,239 --> 00:34:37,560
Speaker 1: but startups and venture capitalists right now are saying, well, well, yes,

644
00:34:37,719 --> 00:34:41,000
Speaker 1: that's true, that's ridiculously inefficient. But we're talking about replacing

645
00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:44,640
Speaker 1: batteries right here, and the cost of the electricity that

646
00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:48,880
Speaker 1: is wasted is like five thousand times less than the

647
00:34:48,920 --> 00:34:52,080
Speaker 1: cost of a double a disposable battery. So really, if

648
00:34:52,080 --> 00:34:55,120
Speaker 1: you look at it in terms like that, it's we're

649
00:34:55,160 --> 00:34:57,960
Speaker 1: not that far off from it being cost effective if

650
00:34:58,000 --> 00:34:59,640
Speaker 1: we can use it to replace batteries.

651
00:35:01,160 --> 00:35:04,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, And one of the cool pieces of or cool

652
00:35:04,400 --> 00:35:06,560
Speaker 2: parts of this tech is let's say you have a

653
00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:10,200
Speaker 2: room that's set up to charge everything in there. It's

654
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Speaker 2: apparently with this OSA system, it is it's bouncing all

655
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Speaker 2: over the room, pinging like one hundred times a second.

656
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Speaker 2: So it's not like if you turn your back, it's

657
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Speaker 2: not shooting waves through your body and we'll get to

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Speaker 2: safety here after the break. But regardless of that, it

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Speaker 2: bounces around you. If you have your phone up to

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Speaker 2: your head, it will bounce around your head off the

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Speaker 2: back wall to hit the back of that phone.

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Speaker 1: Oh really, the OSA system does.

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Speaker 2: That, Yeah, supposedly, and only delivers power like if something

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Speaker 2: needs it, so it's not constantly on and supposedly we'll

665
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Speaker 2: prioritize whatever's in the room that needs juice the.

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Speaker 1: Most smart Yeah, because just like RFI D tags that

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Speaker 1: chargers constantly surveying the stuff in the room that has

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Speaker 1: right a coder receiver attached to it and saying like,

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Speaker 1: where are you at, what's your levels? You need some

670
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Speaker 1: you need some juice. I got some for you. They're like, no,

671
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Speaker 1: not right now. I'm good, okay, but I'm here if

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Speaker 1: you need it kind of thing. Yeah, So I didn't

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Speaker 1: know that it actually went around people, though, which is

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Speaker 1: a big deal, because that's a genuine concern at this point.

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Speaker 1: If you're beaming electricity throughout a home, if you're creating

676
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Speaker 1: an electrical field that's just indiscriminately moving everywhere in a room,

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Speaker 1: it's going to come in contact with things that are conductive. So,

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Speaker 1: like someone one issue I've seen raised is the idea

679
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Speaker 1: that you're just yeah, your pots and pants are going

680
00:36:37,960 --> 00:36:39,960
Speaker 1: to get super hot just sitting in the drawer in

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Speaker 1: your kitchen. Yeah, if you're using microwaves, if the microwave

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Speaker 1: is powerful enough it can cook you from the inside out,

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Speaker 1: that doesn't seem to be a threat. I mean, the

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Speaker 1: people who are designing these things are like well aware

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Speaker 1: of the dangers of microwaves cooking human beings. So the

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Speaker 1: stuff they're they're like deliberately setting these things at levels

687
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Speaker 1: that wouldn't be able to do that, but it just

688
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Speaker 1: kind of goes to show like that's the stage that

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Speaker 1: where i'd is like, that's still technically possible with what

690
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Speaker 1: we're doing. Laser beams can still shoot you in the eye.

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Speaker 1: They could still burn your skin.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, those are the ones that don't hang around the room.

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Speaker 2: If it's laser base, then you have to have a

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Speaker 2: direct line.

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Speaker 1: Yes, and supposedly if you get in between the laser

696
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Speaker 1: and the receiver, it just automatically turns off. But you know,

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Speaker 1: there's still that moment that singes your hair.

698
00:37:28,719 --> 00:37:31,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, or you could have the high tech mirrored system

699
00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:35,200
Speaker 2: like any bank security in the movies, or I'm sorry,

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Speaker 2: museum security. Probably, Oh yeah, like that, like shooting the

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Speaker 2: lasers all around grid.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure, that's awesome.

703
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Speaker 2: And then before you know it, Catherine Zada Jones is

704
00:37:43,320 --> 00:37:44,840
Speaker 2: slinking underneath one of those things.

705
00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:46,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you're like, what are you doing in my kitchen?

706
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Speaker 2: You're too old to be slinking around like that lady.

707
00:37:51,320 --> 00:37:52,320
Speaker 2: You know, pull a muscle.

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Speaker 1: So what else is there?

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Speaker 2: Well, we should take a break probably, oh yeah, yeah,

710
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Speaker 2: and then we'll come back and bush up with the

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Speaker 2: serious future right after this.

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Speaker 1: All right, Chuck, So we're talking about future applications that like,

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Speaker 1: this is the real whiz bang stuff that I'm just

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Speaker 1: really jazzed about because we're approaching that dream that Tesla

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Speaker 1: had of fulfilling that dream of basically creating a world

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Speaker 1: where everything's just getting wireless power all the time.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. So there's a group called the Persistent Optical. This

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00:38:55,360 --> 00:38:58,440
Speaker 2: is a plan the Persistent and we love our acronyms.

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Speaker 2: Is one of the best assistant optical wireless energy relay.

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Speaker 2: What does that spell?

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Speaker 1: Power? What have you got power?

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Speaker 2: It's a great one. I love it when it perfectly

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Speaker 2: aligns like that. And that was proposed by the US

724
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Speaker 2: Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency, which we all know is DARPA.

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Speaker 2: And this is a situation where they could beam electricity

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Speaker 2: from a web of aircraft flying above onto the ground

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Speaker 2: into let's say, either you know Libya's aid a conflict zone,

728
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Speaker 2: but maybe a disaster zone where there's no power on

729
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Speaker 2: the ground anymore and people are dying. Potentially a web

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Speaker 2: of aircraft above could shoot this stuff down to the ground.

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Speaker 1: Yes, but it does have immediate military applications because just

732
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Speaker 1: like how you know, people were saying, like, wait a minute,

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Speaker 1: we have twenty percent efficiency of the electricity where we're

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Speaker 1: transmitting here. Yeah, the same thing is running into this

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Speaker 1: problem too, Like there's a loss of efficiency. But even

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Speaker 1: if there's a massive loss of efficiency, it's still more

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Speaker 1: efficient than literally flying in tanks of oil and gasoline. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: into a conflicts owner disaster area, filling up generators and

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Speaker 1: then plugging into those. It'd be still much more efficient

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Speaker 1: than that. And because it'd be more efficient, because it

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Speaker 1: would just give such a ridiculous advantage on the battlefield.

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Speaker 1: This is probably coming down the pike.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but like you said, they have a leg up

744
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Speaker 2: because it's so inefficient. The alternative that we've been using

745
00:40:44,520 --> 00:40:47,320
Speaker 2: is that it doesn't have to be as efficient as

746
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Speaker 2: like a home version that we're talking about for people

747
00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:52,960
Speaker 2: to get on board, because that's one of the problems

748
00:40:53,080 --> 00:40:57,439
Speaker 2: is people aren't gonna start buying this stuff up. Even

749
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Speaker 2: that cool system we were talking about out for like

750
00:41:01,040 --> 00:41:03,800
Speaker 2: one room, you'd have to be a really you have

751
00:41:03,880 --> 00:41:05,800
Speaker 2: to have a lot of money and be a super

752
00:41:05,840 --> 00:41:09,000
Speaker 2: into early tech adoption to just kind of show it

753
00:41:09,040 --> 00:41:13,160
Speaker 2: off to friends. At this point, to make it mass marketed,

754
00:41:13,200 --> 00:41:17,280
Speaker 2: they have to make it so everybody sees the benefit

755
00:41:17,320 --> 00:41:21,279
Speaker 2: and can afford it, and that's not the case with

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Speaker 2: these potential military applications.

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Speaker 1: No, but it's sad but true that the military research

758
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Speaker 1: and development has trickled down to a lot of really

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Speaker 1: important consumer items for short years too. And this could

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Speaker 1: be the same exact thing.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, there's another There's a group in New Zealand called

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Speaker 1: EMROD and they are basically creating line of sight towers

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Speaker 1: to where that just beams from one to the other,

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Speaker 1: basically like those bonfire towers and Lord of the Rings. Yeah,

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00:41:51,440 --> 00:41:53,720
Speaker 1: it's just the same thing, but rather than like line

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00:41:53,719 --> 00:41:57,879
Speaker 1: of sight, you're transmitting electromagnetic waves carrying energy, and then

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Speaker 1: at the other end, or probably at each of one

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Speaker 1: of these transmitters, you're able to convert it to usable

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Speaker 1: electricity and then you know, power up a disaster area,

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Speaker 1: a rural area, whatever area you want to.

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Speaker 2: I don't remember that from Lord of the Rings. Is

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00:42:11,560 --> 00:42:14,239
Speaker 2: it just a signal over long distance? Yeah, like that,

774
00:42:14,320 --> 00:42:15,480
Speaker 2: like a bit visually signal.

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00:42:15,600 --> 00:42:18,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, from like mountaintop to mountain top. They had like

776
00:42:18,040 --> 00:42:20,360
Speaker 1: a bomb fire and then at anybody else noticed it

777
00:42:20,400 --> 00:42:22,120
Speaker 1: and they let their bombfire and it was like a

778
00:42:22,920 --> 00:42:26,319
Speaker 1: transmission of information. That's what we're talking about in much

779
00:42:26,360 --> 00:42:28,960
Speaker 1: the same way that Wi Fi transmits information. We're talking

780
00:42:28,960 --> 00:42:32,680
Speaker 1: about the same exact thing, using the same essentially kind

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00:42:32,719 --> 00:42:39,440
Speaker 1: of electromagnetic spectrum, but instead to transmit energy rather than information.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely, Like people don't freak out over a Wi

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00:42:43,640 --> 00:42:45,880
Speaker 2: Fi being being through their house and it's essentially the

784
00:42:45,880 --> 00:42:46,279
Speaker 2: same thing.

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Speaker 1: Some people do, like Chuck McGill from Wood.

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Speaker 2: No, no, no, I haven't seen that, but I know there

787
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Speaker 2: are people.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So there's a really exciting application with that New

789
00:42:57,040 --> 00:43:03,440
Speaker 1: Zealand structure where to tower. Yeah, the emrod one is

790
00:43:04,440 --> 00:43:08,520
Speaker 1: they could you could transfer wind energy from remote places

791
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Speaker 1: to an urban area that really needs that electricity, all

792
00:43:14,680 --> 00:43:17,720
Speaker 1: those renewables. So it's like the fatal flaws like you

793
00:43:17,440 --> 00:43:19,960
Speaker 1: they they're too far away from the grid. Nope, not

794
00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:23,880
Speaker 1: any longer. You can transmit it wirelessly through New Zealand

795
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Speaker 1: at least.

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Speaker 2: Well talking about being too far away, too far away.

797
00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:31,920
Speaker 2: The think about being an outer space and having a

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00:43:31,960 --> 00:43:36,960
Speaker 2: web of satellites outfitted with these huge solar panels far

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Speaker 2: above the Earth that could transmit energy down as microwaves.

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Speaker 2: That is not out of the realm of possibility. In fact,

801
00:43:45,560 --> 00:43:48,879
Speaker 2: it's even been done just last year in twenty twenty three,

802
00:43:49,880 --> 00:43:54,560
Speaker 2: cal Tech, Yes, Caltech Space Power Project, they sent a

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Speaker 2: detectable amount of energy from a satellite to Earth.

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00:43:58,440 --> 00:43:58,760
Speaker 1: Wow.

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00:43:59,680 --> 00:44:01,480
Speaker 2: You know, I don't think they were charging a car

806
00:44:01,560 --> 00:44:04,160
Speaker 2: or anything like that, but they showed that it's possible.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and get this, Chuck, I mean, aside from the

808
00:44:06,400 --> 00:44:11,920
Speaker 1: infrastructure costs involved, that's free energy. You're just taking solar

809
00:44:12,040 --> 00:44:14,359
Speaker 1: energy and transmitting it, even if it's just a little

810
00:44:14,360 --> 00:44:17,160
Speaker 1: bit and there's a massive loss of efficiency. You're not

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Speaker 1: burning coal to get that. You're just you just built

812
00:44:20,600 --> 00:44:23,279
Speaker 1: a satellite that's harvesting it out and outer space, which

813
00:44:23,320 --> 00:44:24,560
Speaker 1: is a huge advantage, you know.

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00:44:25,440 --> 00:44:25,840
Speaker 2: Totally.

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00:44:26,880 --> 00:44:30,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's like the first step toward a Dyson sphere. Really,

816
00:44:30,200 --> 00:44:33,480
Speaker 1: if you think about it, I love it. That's the

817
00:44:33,480 --> 00:44:34,840
Speaker 1: one I was jazz the most.

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Speaker 2: About the satellite one.

819
00:44:37,400 --> 00:44:40,879
Speaker 1: Yes, harvesting solar injury in space and transmitting it as

820
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Speaker 1: a usable power down on Earth. That is jazz worthy

821
00:44:45,880 --> 00:44:46,320
Speaker 1: for sure.

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Speaker 2: Totally.

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Speaker 1: You got anything else?

824
00:44:49,120 --> 00:44:49,959
Speaker 2: I got nothing else?

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Speaker 1: All right, Well, Chuck has nothing else. Neither do I.

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Speaker 1: We'll just have to sit and wait and see what

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Speaker 1: the future holds. And while we do that, let's say

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Speaker 1: It's time for listener now.

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Speaker 1: Well, thanks a lot for that. Mark. Good to hear

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