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Speaker 1: If you haven't told everybody this is how you're doing

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Speaker 1: Please at the funeral, yes, yes.

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Speaker 1: It's a brand new episode. This is Laugh with Me,

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Speaker 1: Oh Oh, We've got a good one for you this week. Shit,

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Speaker 1: we're bringing the guest back. Episode seventy, season two, Laugh

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Speaker 1: the show, Pause the show, Johnny, Stop Johnny, pause the show.

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Speaker 1: I need folks, seriously to get their mind right. Go

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Speaker 1: watch the special, then come back and listen to the podcast. Okay,

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Speaker 1: own Laugh with Me Jake Live from Portland, the brand

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Speaker 1: So how do you feel like you and I both

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Speaker 1: we have we're on we have podcasts, right We're on

442
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Speaker 1: a podcast right now. But like a lot of like

443
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Speaker 1: the conversations or at least the belief of the conversations

444
00:20:54,119 --> 00:20:57,080
Speaker 1: that comics would have, you know, amongst each other outside

445
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Speaker 1: of shows or whatever. Is is that kind of like

446
00:21:00,560 --> 00:21:01,760
Speaker 1: today's podcast now?

447
00:21:04,400 --> 00:21:07,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess so, I mean it's pot I mean

448
00:21:08,440 --> 00:21:11,879
Speaker 2: everything is saturated now. Is the thing that's like podcasts

449
00:21:11,920 --> 00:21:15,440
Speaker 2: when they first started, where there's kind of new, inventive,

450
00:21:15,560 --> 00:21:19,520
Speaker 2: totally free. You know, you could talk for three hours,

451
00:21:19,560 --> 00:21:21,440
Speaker 2: you could talk for half an hour. There was no bud,

452
00:21:21,480 --> 00:21:25,919
Speaker 2: it was no limits. It was whatever you wanted to say, unmediated,

453
00:21:26,200 --> 00:21:26,879
Speaker 2: just to the people.

454
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Speaker 3: And it's like crazy, like it's like that's a great

455
00:21:28,720 --> 00:21:29,320
Speaker 3: thing to have.

456
00:21:30,200 --> 00:21:33,840
Speaker 2: But like podcasts, everybody has one now social media everyone,

457
00:21:33,880 --> 00:21:36,439
Speaker 2: so it's just like now you also are like just

458
00:21:36,840 --> 00:21:42,320
Speaker 2: having to there's so much stuff for people to see

459
00:21:42,359 --> 00:21:46,000
Speaker 2: that to even find you. That's why it is like

460
00:21:46,080 --> 00:21:48,840
Speaker 2: either you got to get I think in podcasting you

461
00:21:48,920 --> 00:21:51,679
Speaker 2: have to get really lucky. Let's say that you get

462
00:21:52,119 --> 00:21:55,280
Speaker 2: somebody finds you and they spread it or you know whatever, yep,

463
00:21:56,720 --> 00:21:59,480
Speaker 2: or it's just repetition, repetition, repetition, and you have to

464
00:21:59,560 --> 00:22:02,360
Speaker 2: make it your thing and you have to be promoting

465
00:22:02,400 --> 00:22:06,120
Speaker 2: it constantly. I mean, comics always have had to promote themselves,

466
00:22:06,119 --> 00:22:11,639
Speaker 2: but it really is like so much of the business

467
00:22:11,840 --> 00:22:14,480
Speaker 2: is promoting, promoting, promoting, promoting, Like.

468
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Speaker 3: It would be interesting to ask like ten comics, like.

469
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Speaker 2: Do if a pie chart of your time when you

470
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Speaker 2: spend doing like comedy stuff. How much is it writing,

471
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Speaker 2: how much is it performing? How much is it you know,

472
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Speaker 2: like what it?

473
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Speaker 3: Because? Dude, I mean, dude, so much.

474
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Speaker 2: Of my time is like I'm on my laptop looking

475
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Speaker 2: at Google Maps and looking at it Excel spreadsheet and

476
00:22:36,240 --> 00:22:38,320
Speaker 2: being like okay, like where can I go? Where can

477
00:22:38,359 --> 00:22:41,520
Speaker 2: I tour? And that stuff takes so much time, you know,

478
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Speaker 2: of just reaching out to people, figuring out who where

479
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Speaker 2: I can work, and then yeah, then doing my podcast,

480
00:22:49,359 --> 00:22:53,960
Speaker 2: doing other people's podcasts, like making clips, pushing those clips,

481
00:22:54,040 --> 00:22:59,800
Speaker 2: like so much of this is just advertising. Uh, it is, really,

482
00:23:00,000 --> 00:23:01,840
Speaker 2: it's crazy you don't think about that. I think when

483
00:23:01,880 --> 00:23:03,720
Speaker 2: you start, Like when I started, I was just like, oh,

484
00:23:04,040 --> 00:23:07,080
Speaker 2: it's jokes, and it's basically like write a joke, get

485
00:23:07,119 --> 00:23:09,840
Speaker 2: on stage, do the joke, repeat, and it's actually like

486
00:23:10,200 --> 00:23:12,199
Speaker 2: very little of that. When you start to make it

487
00:23:12,280 --> 00:23:15,000
Speaker 2: your career and your work, it's like, no, it's actually

488
00:23:15,040 --> 00:23:18,199
Speaker 2: like Monday Tuesday, I spend all day on the on

489
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Speaker 2: the computer basically if I'm like if I if I

490
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Speaker 2: don't have anything going on, I'm like Monday and Tuesday

491
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Speaker 2: might like send booking emails.

492
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Speaker 3: Figure out schedule. I mean, I have dates in.

493
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Speaker 2: April already, you know, and I'm like, and I'm worried

494
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Speaker 2: that they're not enough dates in April already.

495
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Speaker 3: You know. I'm just like, Oh, I don't have enough

496
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Speaker 3: work in spring. What summer going to look like? What's

497
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Speaker 3: next fall going to look like? You know? And it

498
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Speaker 3: kind of consumes everything about you.

499
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Speaker 2: You know, I'm always like writing little notes to myself like, oh,

500
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Speaker 2: you got to email this guy. I mean, it's a

501
00:23:47,240 --> 00:23:51,840
Speaker 2: constant upkeep, you know, in terms of that, and that's

502
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Speaker 2: not what you get into it for.

503
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Speaker 3: You don't get into it to be your own like

504
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Speaker 3: secretary basically.

505
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Speaker 1: Right, you're in for the jokes. You're in for the

506
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Speaker 1: that make people laugh. So like, how much of or

507
00:24:02,400 --> 00:24:05,080
Speaker 1: maybe not at all, But when you're looking at like

508
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Speaker 1: you said, Express Excel spreadsheets or whatever and maps and

509
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Speaker 1: looking at where to go? How much of that are

510
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Speaker 1: you looking at where people like listen to your podcasts

511
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Speaker 1: or maybe people who you have high penetration like on

512
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Speaker 1: your socials. Do you look at any of that and say, Okay,

513
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Speaker 1: maybe I have a market in Saint Louis that I

514
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Speaker 1: didn't know I had, you know, like for example.

515
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Speaker 2: I don't really because I still have such a small

516
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Speaker 2: following that like the idea like you can, like I

517
00:24:32,680 --> 00:24:35,040
Speaker 2: can look at my three majors, and it's always going

518
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Speaker 2: to be Portland probably like California in general, but probably

519
00:24:39,520 --> 00:24:42,040
Speaker 2: more like LA and then New York, like those are

520
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Speaker 2: the three. But that's just because of like where I've

521
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Speaker 2: I mean, Portland is where I live.

522
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Speaker 3: I live in New York, and then.

523
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Speaker 2: LA is probably just because of like comedy, Like just

524
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Speaker 2: it's such a huge market that people.

525
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Speaker 3: Who like comedy live there, you know.

526
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Speaker 2: But I don't have enough people to really like use

527
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Speaker 2: any of those like insights.

528
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Speaker 3: I do know people who do that religiously.

529
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Speaker 2: Like they have one hundred thousand followers, and they are

530
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Speaker 2: exactly like where they can sell tickets and that, dude.

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Speaker 3: That's a whole area that I am so out of.

532
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Speaker 2: Like, look, when you can go to a place, set

533
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Speaker 2: up a show, do the ticketing, run ads, all that

534
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Speaker 2: stuff is like.

535
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Speaker 3: So intimidating to me.

536
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Speaker 2: And I'm like dipping my toes into it because that's

537
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Speaker 2: kind of the next way that you have to hit But.

538
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Speaker 3: It is it's really impressive that people can do it.

539
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Speaker 3: But it's another.

540
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Speaker 2: Version of this like you're more doing like you're basically

541
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Speaker 2: like a businessman or you're like an advertising than comedy.

542
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Speaker 2: And I think there's this weird there's this weird like

543
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Speaker 2: someone explained it to me, like a long time ago,

544
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Speaker 2: where me and this comic we're in the back of

545
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Speaker 2: a club and we're watching this comic who was very unfunny,

546
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Speaker 2: and I think he's quit comedy since so you know,

547
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Speaker 2: there's no reason to name it, but he just wasn't

548
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Speaker 2: that funny ever, and he'd been doing it for a

549
00:25:54,040 --> 00:25:57,119
Speaker 2: long time, but he got so many gigs and he

550
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Speaker 2: knew all these people and he worked with by these people.

551
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Speaker 2: And I turn the guy next to us, like how

552
00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:03,919
Speaker 2: is he always working? And he goes, comedy is like

553
00:26:04,160 --> 00:26:08,720
Speaker 2: a spectrum of like funny on one side and like business.

554
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Speaker 3: On the other, and like you kind of need to

555
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Speaker 3: be in the middle.

556
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Speaker 2: And now some people are all funny and they have

557
00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:16,200
Speaker 2: nothing going on, like yep, they don't have their own

558
00:26:16,280 --> 00:26:18,400
Speaker 2: checking account, they don't know how to book a flight,

559
00:26:18,520 --> 00:26:21,159
Speaker 2: like they are just like so funny on stage, but

560
00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:22,959
Speaker 2: it's a mess. And then there's some people like this

561
00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:23,800
Speaker 2: guy where it's like.

562
00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:25,959
Speaker 3: Business, business, business, business business.

563
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Speaker 2: He knows all the emails, he knows how the network,

564
00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:29,399
Speaker 2: he knows where to be, when to be, go to

565
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Speaker 2: the parties, like shake the right hands, and that gets

566
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Speaker 2: into certain things that he probably stage wise doesn't really deserve.

567
00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:40,400
Speaker 2: You know, there are much funnier comedians. So you try

568
00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:42,919
Speaker 2: to be in that balance zone of like bringing the

569
00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:47,760
Speaker 2: fucking heat when it comes to the stage. But you

570
00:26:47,880 --> 00:26:49,800
Speaker 2: have to have your your ducts in a row. You

571
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Speaker 2: have to understand like again, like you have like you

572
00:26:53,760 --> 00:26:58,200
Speaker 2: have to know that, like, all right, well, who's right now?

573
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Speaker 2: It's December, so clubs are probably booking for like the

574
00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:04,080
Speaker 2: second half of the year right now.

575
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Speaker 3: They're probably mostly booked.

576
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Speaker 2: For the first five to six months starting in January.

577
00:27:10,520 --> 00:27:12,080
Speaker 3: So you've got to be hitting them up, be like.

578
00:27:13,359 --> 00:27:15,800
Speaker 2: What's the back end of twenty twenty five looks like?

579
00:27:15,880 --> 00:27:18,200
Speaker 2: And if you don't like think about those things, you

580
00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:21,600
Speaker 2: don't plan for it, you will be in some ways

581
00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:25,080
Speaker 2: like out of luck because there's just too many hungry

582
00:27:25,080 --> 00:27:27,760
Speaker 2: mouths to feed and people are asking, you know, people

583
00:27:27,760 --> 00:27:31,159
Speaker 2: are everybody is in some way fighting for a limited

584
00:27:31,160 --> 00:27:34,439
Speaker 2: amount of spots, you know, and so you have to

585
00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:39,639
Speaker 2: be one of these people who's like constantly checking this stuff,

586
00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:41,840
Speaker 2: and if you're not, like even if you're really funny,

587
00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:44,880
Speaker 2: if you're really funny, at some point, someone's gonna find you.

588
00:27:44,800 --> 00:27:47,040
Speaker 3: Probably and they'll be like, hey, man, I'll take care

589
00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:47,360
Speaker 3: of this.

590
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Speaker 2: But there's a lot of people really funny who just

591
00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:53,040
Speaker 2: they're not big on social media. They're really funny on stage,

592
00:27:53,160 --> 00:27:54,919
Speaker 2: but like maybe no one ever really saw them, and

593
00:27:54,920 --> 00:27:55,520
Speaker 2: then they're.

594
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Speaker 3: Just kind of like a stuck in their local scene

595
00:27:57,680 --> 00:27:58,520
Speaker 3: type of guy. You know.

596
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Speaker 1: Right, So you were in Portland for a long time,

597
00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:04,520
Speaker 1: then you said in twenty twenty two you left.

598
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I moved in June of twenty twenty two to

599
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Speaker 2: New York. Well, yes, but it took a while because

600
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Speaker 2: I was living in the van at the time, So

601
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Speaker 2: I basically I was renting a room in Portland, had

602
00:28:18,119 --> 00:28:19,960
Speaker 2: owned this van for a year, got in the.

603
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Speaker 3: Van and like lived in the van from like the end.

604
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Speaker 2: Of June through July, August, September, and I think maybe

605
00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:28,719
Speaker 2: a little bit in October of that year, and then

606
00:28:28,760 --> 00:28:29,600
Speaker 2: I rented.

607
00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:35,040
Speaker 3: A spot in uh well actually even into up. So

608
00:28:35,160 --> 00:28:37,280
Speaker 3: like November seventh is the date I.

609
00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:39,640
Speaker 2: Officially counted moving to New York because that's when I

610
00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:41,760
Speaker 2: moved into my apartment in Astoria.

611
00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:46,040
Speaker 3: So there's a number of months traveling touring out of

612
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Speaker 3: this van.

613
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Speaker 1: So the van was that just like so it's like

614
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Speaker 1: a tour bus, I mean basically is that how you

615
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Speaker 1: treated it?

616
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Speaker 2: I mean it was a two thousand and two ford

617
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Speaker 2: E one fifty van. It was like, okay, white, it

618
00:29:00,280 --> 00:29:02,080
Speaker 2: was like a white plumbers van. It was like a

619
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Speaker 2: work van, you know, like every any handyman has this van.

620
00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:08,000
Speaker 2: So I couldn't stand up in it.

621
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Speaker 3: It was my buddy who was in like the van.

622
00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:14,680
Speaker 2: He was a Salem, Oregon comic and he was he

623
00:29:14,760 --> 00:29:16,920
Speaker 2: knew how to build out stuff, so he helped me.

624
00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:19,680
Speaker 2: Like he basically built me like a pretty like basic

625
00:29:19,760 --> 00:29:23,920
Speaker 2: but like functional interior where there was like a raised

626
00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:24,960
Speaker 2: bed and.

627
00:29:24,840 --> 00:29:27,880
Speaker 3: Some light storage and stuff. But yeah, I was you.

628
00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:33,000
Speaker 2: Know, it wasn't it wasn't like fancy in any way,

629
00:29:33,160 --> 00:29:36,120
Speaker 2: but it did you know, it allowed me. The only

630
00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:39,480
Speaker 2: reason I think, really I can even tour now is

631
00:29:39,480 --> 00:29:40,640
Speaker 2: because I spent.

632
00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:42,960
Speaker 3: You know, in twenty one.

633
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Speaker 2: I got this van because I made this documentary where

634
00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:49,000
Speaker 2: I crossed the country in this van with a cameraman

635
00:29:49,320 --> 00:29:50,840
Speaker 2: kind of documenting.

636
00:29:50,240 --> 00:29:53,400
Speaker 3: How comedy was coming back after COVID.

637
00:29:53,480 --> 00:29:55,320
Speaker 2: So it's it's on my YouTube channel if people want

638
00:29:55,360 --> 00:29:57,960
Speaker 2: to watch it, it's called back at It. So seventy minute,

639
00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:00,040
Speaker 2: seventy plus minute documentary where.

640
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Speaker 3: We leave from Portland end up in New York City.

641
00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:03,840
Speaker 3: We got all these little different.

642
00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:06,760
Speaker 2: Spots, we do street interviews, all this stuff shows me

643
00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:09,880
Speaker 2: like doing little spots that different. So I bought that

644
00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:13,560
Speaker 2: we did that for I did that for a couple

645
00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:17,360
Speaker 2: months and then just kind of let it be. And

646
00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:19,440
Speaker 2: then the next summer when I moved, I got into

647
00:30:19,480 --> 00:30:21,000
Speaker 2: it and I was like, well, instead of just like

648
00:30:21,120 --> 00:30:24,360
Speaker 2: driving across to New York in four days, like, let's

649
00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:27,280
Speaker 2: see more comedy stuff. So I was in Denver for

650
00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:29,880
Speaker 2: a month and did like a bunch of shows there

651
00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:32,760
Speaker 2: and it was kind of like crashing on my buddy's couch.

652
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Speaker 3: For a while.

653
00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:36,280
Speaker 2: And then it just allowed me to explore places that

654
00:30:36,280 --> 00:30:39,760
Speaker 2: I wouldn't have been able to because, like so many

655
00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:42,800
Speaker 2: when you're starting to tour, like it's not like the

656
00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:47,040
Speaker 2: venues that you're doing, the shows you're doing. There's no hotel, right,

657
00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:49,720
Speaker 2: there's no like you're making twenty bucks. You know, you're

658
00:30:49,760 --> 00:30:52,840
Speaker 2: not making much money at best. You're breaking even maybe

659
00:30:52,840 --> 00:30:54,760
Speaker 2: you maybe a couple gigs here, you make a couple

660
00:30:54,800 --> 00:30:56,400
Speaker 2: hundred bucks, but for the most part, like you're not

661
00:30:57,560 --> 00:31:00,800
Speaker 2: having my own basically hotel on wheels, like to bed

662
00:31:00,840 --> 00:31:02,360
Speaker 2: to sleep and every night allowed me to be like,

663
00:31:02,360 --> 00:31:04,840
Speaker 2: well cool, as long as I have gas to get there,

664
00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:08,320
Speaker 2: I can do the show and then sleep there.

665
00:31:08,800 --> 00:31:11,360
Speaker 3: And that like I made so many connections over the

666
00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:11,920
Speaker 3: last few.

667
00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:13,600
Speaker 2: Years doing the van stuff because I was just able

668
00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:17,120
Speaker 2: to do I mean, I've crossed the country like five times,

669
00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:20,000
Speaker 2: just like going to every little nook and cranny just

670
00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:22,240
Speaker 2: to be like, oh okay, And then you build that

671
00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:24,200
Speaker 2: network of connections and all of a sudden you can

672
00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:27,440
Speaker 2: be like, oh, I haven't been to wherever. I haven't

673
00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:30,480
Speaker 2: been to Cleveland in a year. Let me let's see

674
00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:33,080
Speaker 2: what's out in Cleveland, you know. And that that is

675
00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:37,959
Speaker 2: that totally built my ability to tour. Now where I

676
00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:39,720
Speaker 2: am based in New York, I don't live in the

677
00:31:39,760 --> 00:31:42,080
Speaker 2: van anymore. I can like fly to places, or I

678
00:31:42,120 --> 00:31:44,840
Speaker 2: can like maybe make a small run where I rent

679
00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:47,080
Speaker 2: a car but still make enough money to cover stuff.

680
00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:50,360
Speaker 2: So that that's like a whole that opened up a

681
00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:52,280
Speaker 2: whole different world that I probably.

682
00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:54,520
Speaker 3: Would not be in right now, so I have not

683
00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:55,200
Speaker 3: had the van.

684
00:31:55,400 --> 00:31:56,320
Speaker 1: Where's the van now?

685
00:31:57,120 --> 00:32:01,120
Speaker 2: The van it's currently parked in my parents riway in Minneapolis,

686
00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:04,680
Speaker 2: and I am getting ready to sell it this spring.

687
00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:08,680
Speaker 2: I think it's yeah, I mean, it's just you know,

688
00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:10,840
Speaker 2: I did it, and that was a fun phase of life.

689
00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:14,520
Speaker 2: But now I'm more into like trying to do these

690
00:32:14,520 --> 00:32:16,440
Speaker 2: things where like, you know, you want to elevate, you

691
00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:18,080
Speaker 2: want to go to a place where you can be like,

692
00:32:18,120 --> 00:32:19,560
Speaker 2: all right, well now I want to do a club

693
00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:21,760
Speaker 2: weekend where I can fly in a Thursday, fly out

694
00:32:21,760 --> 00:32:24,840
Speaker 2: on a Sunday, make enough money to justify everything, or

695
00:32:25,520 --> 00:32:26,360
Speaker 2: that type of stuff.

696
00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:29,320
Speaker 3: Like living in the van was cool, but it was hard.

697
00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:31,920
Speaker 2: You know, it's a hard life to fucking to be

698
00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:36,200
Speaker 2: in a van and like searching for bathrooms and showers

699
00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:38,080
Speaker 2: and like where you're gonna eat, and like where you're

700
00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:40,560
Speaker 2: gonna park, where you sleeping, what's the route, like what

701
00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:43,760
Speaker 2: neighborhood like all that is like once you when you

702
00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:45,720
Speaker 2: do it, you get used to it and you understand it.

703
00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:48,160
Speaker 2: But anytime you like get out of it, you're like grow.

704
00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:50,320
Speaker 3: I was living rough, you know.

705
00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:53,200
Speaker 2: I was like, it's so nice to have access to

706
00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:56,080
Speaker 2: your own bathroom and like, you know, if you just

707
00:32:56,120 --> 00:32:58,520
Speaker 2: like need a night where you're like, oh, I don't

708
00:32:58,520 --> 00:33:02,400
Speaker 2: want to be sleeping literally like basically on the street,

709
00:33:02,520 --> 00:33:04,640
Speaker 2: you know, like I can just I have my own

710
00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:07,320
Speaker 2: room now. Like it's so it's hard to like want

711
00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:09,640
Speaker 2: to go back to that. I could if something, if

712
00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:11,520
Speaker 2: something really fell off for me, I could.

713
00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:12,560
Speaker 3: I know how to do it.

714
00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:14,000
Speaker 2: But I don't want to go back to that.

715
00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:15,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, you don't want to go back to that? Yeah,

716
00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:19,840
Speaker 1: So why, uh what? I guess not so much why

717
00:33:19,920 --> 00:33:23,120
Speaker 1: I get. I guess kind of why New York is

718
00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:25,880
Speaker 1: the move? But what were you deciding at that point

719
00:33:25,880 --> 00:33:29,120
Speaker 1: You're in Portland, Like were you considering like a Chicago

720
00:33:29,480 --> 00:33:32,680
Speaker 1: or or even down south or was it just you know,

721
00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:34,840
Speaker 1: New York's a place to be, maybe you have connections

722
00:33:34,840 --> 00:33:35,920
Speaker 1: with friends or what have you?

723
00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:39,920
Speaker 3: New York to me, like I had been to New

724
00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:41,320
Speaker 3: York when I was thirteen.

725
00:33:42,120 --> 00:33:44,400
Speaker 2: My aunt took me as a bar miss President, and

726
00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:46,960
Speaker 2: so I really loved New York just as a person.

727
00:33:47,080 --> 00:33:49,840
Speaker 2: I had been a couple of times pre comedy, So

728
00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:52,120
Speaker 2: it was kind of like a light dream to just

729
00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:55,360
Speaker 2: live there, even well years and years before.

730
00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:58,000
Speaker 3: Knowing about comedy or doing comedy.

731
00:33:58,360 --> 00:34:01,440
Speaker 2: But then when I started doing comedy, I really.

732
00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:04,920
Speaker 3: Kind of was drawn to the New York comic you know.

733
00:34:05,080 --> 00:34:07,520
Speaker 3: I was I was. I was a Bill burfan.

734
00:34:07,760 --> 00:34:09,759
Speaker 2: He was like the guy who got me into doing it.

735
00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:12,160
Speaker 2: I was in a Tell fan. I was a Norton fan.

736
00:34:12,239 --> 00:34:16,120
Speaker 2: I was an opian Anthony Patrice like Louis, like all

737
00:34:16,160 --> 00:34:20,120
Speaker 2: those New York guys were the guys I like gravitated

738
00:34:20,160 --> 00:34:23,880
Speaker 2: to their comedy and their persona and their style. And obviously,

739
00:34:23,920 --> 00:34:26,440
Speaker 2: like there's really good comics in LA, but I always

740
00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:28,799
Speaker 2: just for me, I was like, New York is where

741
00:34:28,840 --> 00:34:32,640
Speaker 2: you go if you want to be a killer stand

742
00:34:32,719 --> 00:34:36,440
Speaker 2: up you know. Now, they're obviously comedy store guys who

743
00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:39,640
Speaker 2: are really good, but there is more of that Hollywood

744
00:34:39,680 --> 00:34:42,399
Speaker 2: influence in LA, where it's like, oh, you might kind

745
00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:44,440
Speaker 2: of be an actor, you might kind of be a whatever.

746
00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:47,400
Speaker 2: You come to New York and it's a gym to

747
00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:51,600
Speaker 2: get better at stand up, and you are around killers.

748
00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:54,520
Speaker 2: You're around people who you just be in an open

749
00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:56,440
Speaker 2: mic with and be like, damn, dude, this guy's writing

750
00:34:56,480 --> 00:34:58,759
Speaker 2: good stuff and he's just a nobody, you know, like

751
00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:00,000
Speaker 2: he doesn't he's he's.

752
00:34:59,880 --> 00:35:00,800
Speaker 3: Not not doing anything.

753
00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:03,840
Speaker 2: But so you're just around people who are really hungry.

754
00:35:04,360 --> 00:35:07,800
Speaker 2: The city makes them really hungry. It's a tough place

755
00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:11,080
Speaker 2: to live. So you're just kind of like, I just

756
00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:14,839
Speaker 2: think it all feeds into that mindset of like you

757
00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:18,399
Speaker 2: get really really really good here, you get tight, and

758
00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:23,000
Speaker 2: you're just subconsciously even I think you just know that

759
00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:26,719
Speaker 2: everybody here is working hard. Everybody here is here to

760
00:35:26,760 --> 00:35:31,560
Speaker 2: be a professional, and everybody here is sacrificing so much

761
00:35:31,719 --> 00:35:34,640
Speaker 2: personal comfort to live in a city like New York.

762
00:35:34,719 --> 00:35:37,440
Speaker 2: I mean, it is a hard place to live. Sometimes,

763
00:35:38,120 --> 00:35:41,719
Speaker 2: it's expensive, it's loud to be here and still want

764
00:35:41,719 --> 00:35:44,480
Speaker 2: to do comedy where the gigs are rough, the audiences

765
00:35:44,520 --> 00:35:47,319
Speaker 2: are tough sometimes when.

766
00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:49,359
Speaker 3: You're not working the cellar or some of the main clubs.

767
00:35:49,040 --> 00:35:51,160
Speaker 2: And you're doing these rough bar shows or these kind

768
00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:53,120
Speaker 2: of bar shows, or maybe there's a handful of people

769
00:35:53,120 --> 00:35:55,480
Speaker 2: who care, don't care, like that is going to make

770
00:35:55,480 --> 00:35:56,440
Speaker 2: you better, you know.

771
00:35:56,680 --> 00:35:59,640
Speaker 1: So like in Omaha, you know, each night, almost every

772
00:35:59,719 --> 00:36:03,080
Speaker 1: night there's at least one mic sometimes too. Okay, yeah,

773
00:36:03,120 --> 00:36:04,600
Speaker 1: and if I want to get on the list, I'm

774
00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:08,880
Speaker 1: on the list in New York, Like is it is?

775
00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:11,520
Speaker 1: It like a grind during the afternoon early in the

776
00:36:11,600 --> 00:36:13,160
Speaker 1: day to try to get on that list to make

777
00:36:13,160 --> 00:36:15,799
Speaker 1: sure you can get spots at night or how's that work.

778
00:36:16,680 --> 00:36:18,920
Speaker 2: There are enough mics that you if you want to

779
00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:20,880
Speaker 2: do a couple of mics every day, you can easily

780
00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:22,520
Speaker 2: get on the list. I mean, you just got to

781
00:36:22,600 --> 00:36:24,799
Speaker 2: know how to do it. But so there's never like

782
00:36:24,880 --> 00:36:26,600
Speaker 2: a shortage of like mic time.

783
00:36:26,640 --> 00:36:29,160
Speaker 3: But the thing is, like the mics here are brutal.

784
00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:30,560
Speaker 3: It's comics only.

785
00:36:31,120 --> 00:36:32,520
Speaker 2: I mean, when I was in Portland, Man, we had

786
00:36:32,560 --> 00:36:35,759
Speaker 2: audiences at mics sometimes. You know. They were every Tuesday

787
00:36:36,280 --> 00:36:38,799
Speaker 2: at Helium Comedy Club, my home club and where I

788
00:36:38,840 --> 00:36:41,840
Speaker 2: recorded the special. You would do an open mic and

789
00:36:41,840 --> 00:36:43,799
Speaker 2: there would be one hundred and twenty people there, you know,

790
00:36:44,080 --> 00:36:45,520
Speaker 2: like you could get a tape. You could get a

791
00:36:45,520 --> 00:36:47,200
Speaker 2: tape out of that, like you could get a five

792
00:36:47,239 --> 00:36:50,040
Speaker 2: minute tape. And as a guy who worked the club,

793
00:36:50,040 --> 00:36:52,040
Speaker 2: like if you were a host or a future passed

794
00:36:52,040 --> 00:36:55,040
Speaker 2: at the club, you got a guaranteed spot every Tuesday.

795
00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:57,800
Speaker 2: So it's like you could always be working on new stuff,

796
00:36:58,080 --> 00:37:01,799
Speaker 2: but you had a real live audience that does not

797
00:37:01,960 --> 00:37:04,719
Speaker 2: exist here, like you are doing it for thirty other

798
00:37:05,520 --> 00:37:07,600
Speaker 2: comics almost all guys.

799
00:37:07,600 --> 00:37:08,920
Speaker 3: A lot of the time, some of these mics you

800
00:37:08,920 --> 00:37:11,040
Speaker 3: go to, there's not a woman around.

801
00:37:11,480 --> 00:37:15,000
Speaker 2: So it's like a lot of disinterested men on their phones.

802
00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:19,280
Speaker 2: It's tough, you know, like it is a tough place.

803
00:37:19,520 --> 00:37:22,719
Speaker 2: And I usually the way I do it is I

804
00:37:22,719 --> 00:37:24,600
Speaker 2: try to go to one mic a day and then

805
00:37:24,840 --> 00:37:25,359
Speaker 2: a lot of.

806
00:37:25,320 --> 00:37:28,640
Speaker 3: New York is especially for you know, me who's new.

807
00:37:28,719 --> 00:37:31,640
Speaker 3: And I moved here with very few real connections.

808
00:37:31,680 --> 00:37:31,840
Speaker 2: You know.

809
00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:33,600
Speaker 3: I knew a few people. I knew a handful of

810
00:37:33,600 --> 00:37:34,520
Speaker 3: people who.

811
00:37:34,480 --> 00:37:36,120
Speaker 2: Could help me out here or there. But I really

812
00:37:36,120 --> 00:37:38,880
Speaker 2: did not come with anything in the bag. Like I

813
00:37:38,920 --> 00:37:42,120
Speaker 2: didn't come knowing that I was going to get spots

814
00:37:42,160 --> 00:37:44,480
Speaker 2: the day I landed, like some people do when they.

815
00:37:44,320 --> 00:37:47,120
Speaker 3: Have a whole community here, yep, like.

816
00:37:47,080 --> 00:37:49,600
Speaker 2: The Chicago guys, you know, like the guys who moved

817
00:37:49,600 --> 00:37:50,839
Speaker 2: from Chicago to New York.

818
00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:51,799
Speaker 3: That's like a pipeline.

819
00:37:51,800 --> 00:37:54,080
Speaker 2: So these new Chicago guys come in and they just

820
00:37:54,120 --> 00:37:57,440
Speaker 2: have a group of guys who have been here for years.

821
00:37:57,320 --> 00:37:58,719
Speaker 3: And they're all right, we'll get you on this show.

822
00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:00,360
Speaker 3: We'll kind of introduce you to these people.

823
00:38:00,400 --> 00:38:02,640
Speaker 2: And I kind of had to truly start from like

824
00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:05,680
Speaker 2: ground zero, like I was, I did not know really

825
00:38:05,680 --> 00:38:07,120
Speaker 2: anybody who was going to be able to help me

826
00:38:07,120 --> 00:38:07,600
Speaker 2: in that way.

827
00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:10,480
Speaker 3: So but a lot of it is networking.

828
00:38:10,560 --> 00:38:12,400
Speaker 2: A lot of it is going to shows you're not on,

829
00:38:13,560 --> 00:38:15,840
Speaker 2: meeting the producer, shaking hands.

830
00:38:15,480 --> 00:38:18,160
Speaker 3: Hanging out, hanging out late.

831
00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:21,520
Speaker 2: You know, if there's comics hanging out at a bar,

832
00:38:22,080 --> 00:38:22,719
Speaker 2: especially if.

833
00:38:22,600 --> 00:38:23,919
Speaker 3: You're new, you should be there.

834
00:38:24,040 --> 00:38:26,680
Speaker 2: You should be up there and you should be around them,

835
00:38:26,680 --> 00:38:28,400
Speaker 2: and you should be a good time. And like, we

836
00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:31,040
Speaker 2: didn't need to do that in Portland because like kind

837
00:38:31,040 --> 00:38:33,520
Speaker 2: of like omaha, like no one was not going to

838
00:38:33,560 --> 00:38:35,440
Speaker 2: get on a list in Portland, you know, Like it

839
00:38:35,560 --> 00:38:38,399
Speaker 2: was just like and like if you didn't do the show,

840
00:38:38,560 --> 00:38:40,640
Speaker 2: the bar show this week, you were probably booked on

841
00:38:40,680 --> 00:38:42,879
Speaker 2: it the next week. So it was never like oh

842
00:38:42,920 --> 00:38:45,960
Speaker 2: I need to showface. I need to make sure that

843
00:38:46,040 --> 00:38:49,800
Speaker 2: they know who I am. It's like everybody knew everybody.

844
00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:51,759
Speaker 2: You could do comedy in Portland for two weeks and

845
00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:53,280
Speaker 2: people be like, oh, yeah, this guy does.

846
00:38:53,160 --> 00:38:54,839
Speaker 3: Comedy now I guess you know, And that's it.

847
00:38:55,560 --> 00:38:58,399
Speaker 2: So New York, though, it's like you meet new people

848
00:38:58,400 --> 00:39:00,919
Speaker 2: every day here and it's just like, oh this guy,

849
00:39:00,960 --> 00:39:01,480
Speaker 2: he's great.

850
00:39:01,520 --> 00:39:02,880
Speaker 3: I never knew about him.

851
00:39:03,160 --> 00:39:06,520
Speaker 2: This lady, she's funny. I gotta be aware of her now.

852
00:39:06,560 --> 00:39:10,120
Speaker 2: I mean, it's constantly meeting people and then like making

853
00:39:10,120 --> 00:39:13,160
Speaker 2: sure those people you met remember you because you see

854
00:39:13,160 --> 00:39:16,560
Speaker 2: them more than once every six months. So I'm out

855
00:39:16,760 --> 00:39:20,440
Speaker 2: every night almost in some capacity. If it's Mike go

856
00:39:20,480 --> 00:39:22,040
Speaker 2: to a show, or if I'm doing a show, then

857
00:39:22,040 --> 00:39:24,200
Speaker 2: maybe I try to go to another show or oh hey,

858
00:39:24,200 --> 00:39:28,280
Speaker 2: where people hanging tonight. Like it's a very social scene

859
00:39:28,320 --> 00:39:31,600
Speaker 2: when you're starting, because a lot of it is like

860
00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:33,920
Speaker 2: they have to remember your face. They just have to

861
00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:35,520
Speaker 2: be like, oh, yeah, that guy Jake, we should get

862
00:39:35,560 --> 00:39:38,200
Speaker 2: him on the show sometimes because he came out he

863
00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:41,279
Speaker 2: was fun to talk to, well, like whatever. Like so

864
00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:43,959
Speaker 2: much of it is that, and you just don't really

865
00:39:43,960 --> 00:39:46,040
Speaker 2: get that. I don't think in any other scene really,

866
00:39:46,080 --> 00:39:48,239
Speaker 2: because even the comics I talk to in LA, they're

867
00:39:48,280 --> 00:39:51,960
Speaker 2: like the driving that's required in LA, Like they're not

868
00:39:52,200 --> 00:39:54,399
Speaker 2: spot hopping, they're not going to three places a night.

869
00:39:54,400 --> 00:39:55,600
Speaker 3: But in New York it's all the subway.

870
00:39:55,640 --> 00:39:56,880
Speaker 2: No one has a car here, so you're just like,

871
00:39:56,920 --> 00:39:58,680
Speaker 2: all right, well I'm gonna do this, Mike get seven.

872
00:39:58,760 --> 00:40:00,600
Speaker 2: This show starts today thirty I'll be there and then

873
00:40:00,600 --> 00:40:01,960
Speaker 2: there's a late show that I'm going to go to,

874
00:40:02,200 --> 00:40:04,520
Speaker 2: or I know there's this birthday hang that I'm gonna

875
00:40:04,520 --> 00:40:06,400
Speaker 2: be at, and I'll be there for a couple hours,

876
00:40:06,400 --> 00:40:09,040
Speaker 2: and then maybe me and three other comics will break off,

877
00:40:09,040 --> 00:40:10,880
Speaker 2: we'll get some pizza, and then I'll be home at

878
00:40:10,880 --> 00:40:12,520
Speaker 2: two and we started over the next day.

879
00:40:12,640 --> 00:40:16,840
Speaker 3: So it's a whole It's a job. I mean, it

880
00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:19,560
Speaker 3: is a job. Yeah, it's a lifestyle.

881
00:40:19,640 --> 00:40:20,560
Speaker 2: Man. It's weird.

882
00:40:20,640 --> 00:40:21,440
Speaker 3: It's very weird.

883
00:40:21,680 --> 00:40:23,960
Speaker 1: So do you do you enjoy I mean, obviously the

884
00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:26,560
Speaker 1: social and all that and it's exciting, but do you

885
00:40:26,719 --> 00:40:30,400
Speaker 1: enjoy the competitive part of it?

886
00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:32,600
Speaker 3: It's weird. I like I go back and forth on.

887
00:40:32,600 --> 00:40:35,000
Speaker 2: Like how competitive I am. Like there's certain times where

888
00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:37,160
Speaker 2: I'm like, all right, you need to like step up

889
00:40:37,200 --> 00:40:37,920
Speaker 2: and like smash.

890
00:40:38,040 --> 00:40:40,839
Speaker 3: But I don't think about it as a competition as

891
00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:45,120
Speaker 3: much as maybe I even should, because you start to

892
00:40:45,200 --> 00:40:47,719
Speaker 3: just realize, like over time.

893
00:40:47,600 --> 00:40:51,160
Speaker 2: Like everybody kind of has their lane, everybody kind of

894
00:40:51,200 --> 00:40:52,080
Speaker 2: has their style.

895
00:40:53,239 --> 00:40:56,400
Speaker 3: It's more an internal competition with yourself, I think, is

896
00:40:56,440 --> 00:40:58,319
Speaker 3: where I kind of land on it. Now. It's like,

897
00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:02,440
Speaker 3: what is the standard I'm holding myself?

898
00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:06,799
Speaker 2: To you know, it's like because if you get lazy,

899
00:41:06,880 --> 00:41:11,040
Speaker 2: you're fucked. I mean, you're just there's too many good

900
00:41:11,080 --> 00:41:13,200
Speaker 2: people who want this just as bad or more than

901
00:41:13,239 --> 00:41:15,280
Speaker 2: you do that if you start to let yourself slip

902
00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:17,920
Speaker 2: and every scene has this guy or this person like

903
00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:20,560
Speaker 2: they have the Oh they were funny, but they kind

904
00:41:20,600 --> 00:41:23,720
Speaker 2: of got lazy and no one really pushed them because

905
00:41:23,719 --> 00:41:25,799
Speaker 2: they kept getting booked and you can kind of see like, oh,

906
00:41:25,840 --> 00:41:28,480
Speaker 2: they kind of keep doing the same material everything, and

907
00:41:28,520 --> 00:41:29,600
Speaker 2: like all of a sudden.

908
00:41:29,280 --> 00:41:30,680
Speaker 3: It's like you're getting passed.

909
00:41:30,800 --> 00:41:35,319
Speaker 2: So I think it's more about internally, like can you

910
00:41:35,400 --> 00:41:38,960
Speaker 2: keep that fire going? Can you keep the standard that

911
00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:43,319
Speaker 2: you're should have for yourself met or exceeding that, and

912
00:41:43,360 --> 00:41:45,480
Speaker 2: then be honest with yourself. Are you doing as well

913
00:41:45,480 --> 00:41:48,280
Speaker 2: as you think you're doing? Are you writing new stuff

914
00:41:48,280 --> 00:41:48,840
Speaker 2: that's good?

915
00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:49,440
Speaker 3: Are you.

916
00:41:50,880 --> 00:41:53,440
Speaker 2: Man? It's not just on stage, it's like are you

917
00:41:53,440 --> 00:41:55,480
Speaker 2: you know, are you going out enough? Are you taking

918
00:41:55,520 --> 00:41:57,400
Speaker 2: maybe one too many nights off a week where you're

919
00:41:57,440 --> 00:42:01,040
Speaker 2: not really part of the scene. Are you sending enough emails?

920
00:42:01,080 --> 00:42:03,360
Speaker 2: Like there's there's a standard for everything you do in

921
00:42:03,400 --> 00:42:03,880
Speaker 2: the business.

922
00:42:03,880 --> 00:42:06,440
Speaker 3: It's not just on stage. It is all that other stuff.

923
00:42:06,800 --> 00:42:09,319
Speaker 1: So you talked about how much like you you just

924
00:42:09,360 --> 00:42:11,880
Speaker 1: brought up like you know, oh, it does a lot

925
00:42:11,920 --> 00:42:14,200
Speaker 1: of the same material. I mean, do you hear those

926
00:42:14,239 --> 00:42:18,080
Speaker 1: notes like from like bookers and producers of shows.

927
00:42:19,080 --> 00:42:19,560
Speaker 3: I don't know.

928
00:42:19,640 --> 00:42:22,680
Speaker 2: I mean it's I don't hear a lot of those notes.

929
00:42:22,880 --> 00:42:26,239
Speaker 2: Like I mean, I'm sure if I was starting to ask, like, hey,

930
00:42:26,320 --> 00:42:29,320
Speaker 2: like what do you look for? But like I think

931
00:42:29,800 --> 00:42:34,120
Speaker 2: more just like you get those comments from other comics

932
00:42:34,200 --> 00:42:36,840
Speaker 2: where like you see so and so they're kind of

933
00:42:36,880 --> 00:42:40,360
Speaker 2: doing the same like you just kind of there's a comics.

934
00:42:40,360 --> 00:42:40,920
Speaker 3: You're a comic.

935
00:42:41,000 --> 00:42:44,520
Speaker 2: We're gossipy little you know, we we we talk a

936
00:42:44,600 --> 00:42:46,680
Speaker 2: lot of shit. There's a lot of water cooler talking.

937
00:42:46,760 --> 00:42:50,520
Speaker 2: So people are kind of always keeping tabs on what

938
00:42:50,719 --> 00:42:52,960
Speaker 2: you're doing, not even in a like a weird way,

939
00:42:53,040 --> 00:42:54,960
Speaker 2: just like, oh, I'm watching your set. What is this?

940
00:42:55,000 --> 00:42:56,080
Speaker 3: Oh I hadn't seen that one.

941
00:42:56,440 --> 00:42:58,520
Speaker 2: But you start to notice pretty quickly, like how come

942
00:42:58,680 --> 00:43:00,759
Speaker 2: every time I see this person, they're doing the same

943
00:43:00,800 --> 00:43:02,719
Speaker 2: set I saw them do six months ago or a

944
00:43:02,840 --> 00:43:06,160
Speaker 2: year ago. You know, like that's just becomes evident and

945
00:43:06,239 --> 00:43:08,280
Speaker 2: obvious quickly. Yeah.

946
00:43:08,960 --> 00:43:12,520
Speaker 1: Well, one of the themes I caught from your from

947
00:43:12,560 --> 00:43:18,600
Speaker 1: your special was death? Is that something that that you

948
00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:21,239
Speaker 1: I don't know, I guess drive a lot of inspiration

949
00:43:21,400 --> 00:43:23,799
Speaker 1: from when you're writing, or it just happened to be

950
00:43:24,080 --> 00:43:26,200
Speaker 1: in this thirty minute you were bringing up death.

951
00:43:27,719 --> 00:43:31,080
Speaker 3: I think it was. Honestly, it's like when you're putting

952
00:43:31,920 --> 00:43:34,560
Speaker 3: because it obviously it wasn't like a theme about death,

953
00:43:34,640 --> 00:43:36,640
Speaker 3: so it just kind of the jokes.

954
00:43:36,400 --> 00:43:39,560
Speaker 2: Kind of had. I am dark, I am on the

955
00:43:39,640 --> 00:43:43,759
Speaker 2: darker side, and I'm not like dark is even a

956
00:43:43,760 --> 00:43:45,799
Speaker 2: weird word because it is dark, but it's not like

957
00:43:45,880 --> 00:43:49,080
Speaker 2: I don't and maybe maybe as an outsider you could say,

958
00:43:49,239 --> 00:43:51,400
Speaker 2: but like there's a difference between like dark and like

959
00:43:51,440 --> 00:43:53,800
Speaker 2: I don't think a lot of my stuff is like it's.

960
00:43:53,600 --> 00:43:54,840
Speaker 3: Not like Jesselnik edgy.

961
00:43:54,880 --> 00:43:57,840
Speaker 2: It's like, yeah, it's not like it's not it doesn't

962
00:43:57,840 --> 00:43:59,640
Speaker 2: have that, but it is a darker themed.

963
00:44:00,280 --> 00:44:00,799
Speaker 3: I'll tell you this.

964
00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:02,680
Speaker 2: It was a lot dirtier than I really thought it

965
00:44:02,719 --> 00:44:04,600
Speaker 2: was going to be. It's a lot of sex stuff too,

966
00:44:04,640 --> 00:44:06,759
Speaker 2: and I was like watched, when I watched the whole thing,

967
00:44:06,800 --> 00:44:09,880
Speaker 2: I was like, man, like, but you just you you

968
00:44:10,200 --> 00:44:13,280
Speaker 2: you know, you write one joke and you don't necessarily.

969
00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:15,000
Speaker 3: Think about like, oh, but then this, this, and then

970
00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:15,279
Speaker 3: all of a.

971
00:44:15,239 --> 00:44:16,960
Speaker 2: Sudden you do them all together and you're like, damn,

972
00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:19,680
Speaker 2: this is like a darker set.

973
00:44:20,000 --> 00:44:22,120
Speaker 3: And I've had other people say that, you know, I

974
00:44:22,560 --> 00:44:24,239
Speaker 3: didn't agree with a guy and he's like, man, you

975
00:44:24,320 --> 00:44:26,640
Speaker 3: really you're you.

976
00:44:26,680 --> 00:44:29,600
Speaker 2: Come out the gate abrasive, you know, you just you

977
00:44:29,760 --> 00:44:31,759
Speaker 2: kind of just you just And he wasn't saying to

978
00:44:31,760 --> 00:44:32,120
Speaker 2: the bad way.

979
00:44:32,120 --> 00:44:33,319
Speaker 3: He's like, you just kind of go for it.

980
00:44:33,360 --> 00:44:36,520
Speaker 2: You're not really like bringing people to a certain point

981
00:44:36,560 --> 00:44:38,640
Speaker 2: and then being like all right, now here's where we

982
00:44:38,680 --> 00:44:40,360
Speaker 2: get to this stuff. It's like, no, right off the

983
00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:42,680
Speaker 2: guy and I just I think that's how I've been

984
00:44:42,760 --> 00:44:45,840
Speaker 2: for a while. And you know, that's probably my natural inclination,

985
00:44:46,000 --> 00:44:48,040
Speaker 2: just as the person is probably a little darker and

986
00:44:48,040 --> 00:44:51,200
Speaker 2: a little misanthropic, so that probably is going to come

987
00:44:51,239 --> 00:44:51,920
Speaker 2: out and what.

988
00:44:51,840 --> 00:44:53,640
Speaker 3: You write and who you are on stage.

989
00:44:53,719 --> 00:44:57,719
Speaker 2: But it's interesting to like think about it as a

990
00:44:57,719 --> 00:45:00,520
Speaker 2: body of work rather than just individual joke, you know,

991
00:45:00,840 --> 00:45:04,000
Speaker 2: like because when it does you people start to go oh,

992
00:45:04,120 --> 00:45:05,759
Speaker 2: Like when I watched it the first thing, when me

993
00:45:05,760 --> 00:45:07,279
Speaker 2: and the editor watching us, like, dude, I did not

994
00:45:07,400 --> 00:45:09,239
Speaker 2: know it was this filthy, you know, but then you

995
00:45:09,280 --> 00:45:10,120
Speaker 2: put it together and.

996
00:45:10,080 --> 00:45:12,400
Speaker 3: You're like, oh God, and then you're like, am I

997
00:45:12,440 --> 00:45:12,920
Speaker 3: this way?

998
00:45:12,960 --> 00:45:14,920
Speaker 2: Like is this po people perceive me if I've been

999
00:45:14,960 --> 00:45:16,799
Speaker 2: this way this whole time and I've just seen it, like,

1000
00:45:16,840 --> 00:45:20,839
Speaker 2: it's very It's weird to watch something you do every

1001
00:45:20,960 --> 00:45:22,680
Speaker 2: night when it's kind of like, well, Okay, this is

1002
00:45:22,680 --> 00:45:24,799
Speaker 2: what we're going to actually present to people. Because so

1003
00:45:24,800 --> 00:45:27,000
Speaker 2: many of our sets, so many of our sets only

1004
00:45:27,080 --> 00:45:29,960
Speaker 2: get seen by that audience live, they don't get recorded.

1005
00:45:30,400 --> 00:45:32,680
Speaker 2: But now, like you know, we're recording. This's like twenty

1006
00:45:32,680 --> 00:45:35,279
Speaker 2: two thousand people have watched this thing, you know. Ye

1007
00:45:35,560 --> 00:45:37,520
Speaker 2: that's a lot of people to be like, all right,

1008
00:45:37,560 --> 00:45:39,680
Speaker 2: this guy's this is what he talks about.

1009
00:45:39,719 --> 00:45:41,920
Speaker 3: You know, it's kind of strange.

1010
00:45:42,400 --> 00:45:45,680
Speaker 1: One of the things I will tell you I popped

1011
00:45:45,920 --> 00:45:50,200
Speaker 1: when you mentioned OJ Simpson because I'm a huge OJ

1012
00:45:50,360 --> 00:45:53,799
Speaker 1: Simpson fan. And that may be a man, I'm a fan.

1013
00:45:53,840 --> 00:45:58,320
Speaker 1: I'll tell you why. Okay, God, damn, I'm a fan.

1014
00:45:58,600 --> 00:46:01,880
Speaker 1: I grew up up, you know, I was a teenager

1015
00:46:01,920 --> 00:46:04,440
Speaker 1: or whatever. When during the trial, right, I knew him

1016
00:46:04,440 --> 00:46:08,359
Speaker 1: as football, I knew him as the actor, I knew

1017
00:46:08,400 --> 00:46:10,880
Speaker 1: him as the broadcaster, and then the trial happens, and

1018
00:46:10,920 --> 00:46:13,920
Speaker 1: it happened over the summer, and it just it. I

1019
00:46:14,080 --> 00:46:16,840
Speaker 1: was just like fascinated with this trial. It was what

1020
00:46:16,840 --> 00:46:20,400
Speaker 1: everybody was talking about. And then so I needed everything.

1021
00:46:20,400 --> 00:46:22,000
Speaker 1: I wanted to read books about it. I wanted to

1022
00:46:22,000 --> 00:46:25,040
Speaker 1: watch every every day this trial. I of course I

1023
00:46:25,080 --> 00:46:30,319
Speaker 1: wanted everything. Well, then as years went by, like he

1024
00:46:30,560 --> 00:46:33,000
Speaker 1: somehow and I know he was kind of early to

1025
00:46:33,120 --> 00:46:37,399
Speaker 1: cancel culture, but he defied it. He was a Hall

1026
00:46:37,440 --> 00:46:43,319
Speaker 1: of Fame NFL player, a Heisman Trophy winner that not

1027
00:46:43,560 --> 00:46:47,120
Speaker 1: only you know, had all the legal trouble. But then

1028
00:46:47,160 --> 00:46:50,560
Speaker 1: when all that happened, it's not like they kicked him out.

1029
00:46:50,600 --> 00:46:53,000
Speaker 1: They were just like, well, we could separate football, like

1030
00:46:53,040 --> 00:46:56,520
Speaker 1: we could, we could separate kind of life from what

1031
00:46:56,680 --> 00:46:59,120
Speaker 1: happened here. I mean, he was still a great football player.

1032
00:46:59,239 --> 00:47:03,480
Speaker 1: We're still gonna celebrate him. Sure, how did that happen?

1033
00:47:03,560 --> 00:47:06,680
Speaker 1: Like that's to me, I'm still fascinated by how that

1034
00:47:06,760 --> 00:47:09,279
Speaker 1: man and even when he you know, he got through

1035
00:47:09,440 --> 00:47:12,080
Speaker 1: the all of the the stuff that ended up putting

1036
00:47:12,160 --> 00:47:14,200
Speaker 1: him in prison. Then he gets released from prison and

1037
00:47:14,280 --> 00:47:17,080
Speaker 1: he's got he's on Twitter, he's talking fantasy football. I

1038
00:47:17,120 --> 00:47:20,640
Speaker 1: mean I follow I followed all of you videos.

1039
00:47:21,080 --> 00:47:23,719
Speaker 2: He was one of the funniest guys on Twitter and

1040
00:47:24,120 --> 00:47:27,640
Speaker 2: like in this weird way because it was like it

1041
00:47:27,719 --> 00:47:30,120
Speaker 2: was such a surreal moment because I follow him on

1042
00:47:30,120 --> 00:47:32,280
Speaker 2: Twitter because yeah, he would just get he'd be giving

1043
00:47:32,920 --> 00:47:35,400
Speaker 2: his takes on everything. He was talking about politics, he

1044
00:47:35,480 --> 00:47:38,160
Speaker 2: was talking about football, he's talking about golf, and you're just.

1045
00:47:38,080 --> 00:47:40,800
Speaker 3: Like, this man murdered two people.

1046
00:47:40,960 --> 00:47:43,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, and he's just there and it's like we but

1047
00:47:43,800 --> 00:47:47,160
Speaker 2: it's like very surreal that we're just like, but now

1048
00:47:47,160 --> 00:47:49,879
Speaker 2: he's just this friendly old guy and we just kind

1049
00:47:49,880 --> 00:47:51,959
Speaker 2: of all know this about him. But he got off

1050
00:47:52,000 --> 00:47:53,799
Speaker 2: even though he shouldn't have gone off, but here he is,

1051
00:47:53,840 --> 00:47:55,680
Speaker 2: and he's just got a Twitter account.

1052
00:47:55,280 --> 00:47:57,040
Speaker 3: And yeah, he's the weird guy.

1053
00:47:57,120 --> 00:48:00,759
Speaker 2: Honestly. Dude, the OJ thing, it's so funny. I've had so.

1054
00:48:00,760 --> 00:48:02,560
Speaker 3: Many people would be like, dude, that OJ bit.

1055
00:48:02,680 --> 00:48:03,440
Speaker 2: It's like I.

1056
00:48:03,360 --> 00:48:04,400
Speaker 3: Said that in the moment.

1057
00:48:04,480 --> 00:48:08,000
Speaker 2: That was not I didn't write that was that was

1058
00:48:08,040 --> 00:48:10,640
Speaker 2: literally like he had died a few days before or

1059
00:48:10,680 --> 00:48:14,359
Speaker 2: maybe a few weeks before, and I said it in

1060
00:48:14,360 --> 00:48:16,840
Speaker 2: the moment and it just hit right and I just

1061
00:48:16,920 --> 00:48:19,960
Speaker 2: was like, all right, it's going in the special, like that's.

1062
00:48:19,760 --> 00:48:22,239
Speaker 3: Not not a written bit. It just would you know.

1063
00:48:22,320 --> 00:48:24,200
Speaker 2: I said the thing about the OJ and then I

1064
00:48:24,280 --> 00:48:26,480
Speaker 2: was like, he died must have been within a week,

1065
00:48:26,560 --> 00:48:28,840
Speaker 2: so it was like very fresh on top of people's memory,

1066
00:48:29,440 --> 00:48:31,239
Speaker 2: and so you know, then I say the rest in

1067
00:48:31,280 --> 00:48:33,360
Speaker 2: peace thing, and then it's just like then it turns

1068
00:48:33,400 --> 00:48:35,600
Speaker 2: into this like, oh what if he is in heaven?

1069
00:48:35,640 --> 00:48:37,600
Speaker 2: You know, you just kind of build this thing immediately,

1070
00:48:37,640 --> 00:48:40,560
Speaker 2: like in the moment, and then it was I felt

1071
00:48:40,560 --> 00:48:42,719
Speaker 2: like tight enough that I was like, all right, let's

1072
00:48:42,760 --> 00:48:44,520
Speaker 2: just leave it in Like that was a fun little moment,

1073
00:48:44,600 --> 00:48:44,919
Speaker 2: you know.

1074
00:48:45,000 --> 00:48:47,320
Speaker 1: Dude, the in Nicole line at the end of Those

1075
00:48:47,640 --> 00:48:49,880
Speaker 1: Like You that was off the dome.

1076
00:48:50,440 --> 00:48:51,279
Speaker 3: All off the dome.

1077
00:48:51,480 --> 00:48:54,959
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I was dying, like.

1078
00:48:55,120 --> 00:48:56,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's so funny. A number.

1079
00:48:56,640 --> 00:48:58,279
Speaker 2: It's like it's not a number of people be like

1080
00:48:58,280 --> 00:49:01,279
Speaker 2: that's my favorite bit. I'm just like, man, I got

1081
00:49:01,280 --> 00:49:05,680
Speaker 2: it write better, I guess man. I mean, people are

1082
00:49:05,719 --> 00:49:08,600
Speaker 2: loving the stuff that I took zero thought about, and

1083
00:49:08,640 --> 00:49:11,080
Speaker 2: then the stuff I've written for years that was good too.

1084
00:49:11,120 --> 00:49:12,880
Speaker 3: But yeah, we love the call stuff.

1085
00:49:13,239 --> 00:49:14,160
Speaker 1: That's so funny.

1086
00:49:14,360 --> 00:49:14,520
Speaker 3: You know.

1087
00:49:14,719 --> 00:49:16,400
Speaker 1: One of the notes that I had about the special

1088
00:49:16,440 --> 00:49:18,239
Speaker 1: because I'm just like, well, I'm talking to you I'm

1089
00:49:18,239 --> 00:49:20,400
Speaker 1: gonna make notes, and I'm like, you're a hell of

1090
00:49:20,440 --> 00:49:24,359
Speaker 1: a writer, like just thank you the little clips, like

1091
00:49:24,400 --> 00:49:26,040
Speaker 1: just the and I'm sure some in some of it,

1092
00:49:26,239 --> 00:49:28,600
Speaker 1: like you just said, comes just in the moment, But

1093
00:49:28,680 --> 00:49:32,640
Speaker 1: holy cal you're writing, like I'm gonna go. I've been

1094
00:49:32,920 --> 00:49:35,919
Speaker 1: I've watched A special a number of times already because

1095
00:49:35,960 --> 00:49:38,920
Speaker 1: I'm just like, I'm like inspired by the writing and

1096
00:49:38,960 --> 00:49:41,080
Speaker 1: I'm like, this is fantastic, But holy Col, I'm even

1097
00:49:41,120 --> 00:49:43,880
Speaker 1: more excited that that was off the cuff there in

1098
00:49:43,920 --> 00:49:44,920
Speaker 1: the moment. That's awesome.

1099
00:49:45,040 --> 00:49:45,799
Speaker 3: I appreciate it.

1100
00:49:45,920 --> 00:49:48,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it's I don't know how you you

1101
00:49:48,680 --> 00:49:51,000
Speaker 2: know how you kind of think about stand up, but

1102
00:49:51,120 --> 00:49:54,520
Speaker 2: it's like or who your influences are. But you know,

1103
00:49:54,760 --> 00:49:58,520
Speaker 2: like I think the most like magical stand up is

1104
00:49:58,600 --> 00:50:00,799
Speaker 2: when there's this like it was like a really big

1105
00:50:00,840 --> 00:50:05,040
Speaker 2: Patrisse O'Neil fan. Yeah, and uh, you know, his Elephant

1106
00:50:05,040 --> 00:50:06,920
Speaker 2: in the Room special I really do think is one

1107
00:50:06,960 --> 00:50:10,120
Speaker 2: of like the defining specials of stand up because he

1108
00:50:10,239 --> 00:50:13,560
Speaker 2: really his jokes are so tight. The stuff he wrote

1109
00:50:13,680 --> 00:50:14,080
Speaker 2: is so.

1110
00:50:14,239 --> 00:50:16,799
Speaker 3: Good and so tight, and he has such a clear.

1111
00:50:17,239 --> 00:50:19,799
Speaker 2: Point of view and it's like a point of view

1112
00:50:19,840 --> 00:50:23,080
Speaker 2: that if you heard it just a guy saying this

1113
00:50:23,160 --> 00:50:25,520
Speaker 2: in a bar, you'd be like, this is a despicable guy,

1114
00:50:25,680 --> 00:50:28,879
Speaker 2: Like he's not really a good guy. Well, and he's

1115
00:50:29,040 --> 00:50:30,959
Speaker 2: you know, he has a lot of opinions about women

1116
00:50:31,000 --> 00:50:32,759
Speaker 2: that you probably be like, oh man, this is kind

1117
00:50:32,800 --> 00:50:34,960
Speaker 2: of wild that he say this, But in the context

1118
00:50:35,000 --> 00:50:38,560
Speaker 2: of comedy, he just nails it. It's so funny that

1119
00:50:38,600 --> 00:50:40,959
Speaker 2: he's making women laugh about it, like you just he's

1120
00:50:41,000 --> 00:50:42,160
Speaker 2: crushing in that special.

1121
00:50:42,560 --> 00:50:44,840
Speaker 3: But he has a lot of like crowd worky stuff

1122
00:50:44,920 --> 00:50:46,920
Speaker 3: or he like which took you know.

1123
00:50:46,880 --> 00:50:48,680
Speaker 2: It takes a lot of balls, especially back in the

1124
00:50:48,760 --> 00:50:52,760
Speaker 2: day because like you know, he he shot that special.

1125
00:50:52,840 --> 00:50:56,279
Speaker 2: This is like before like this era where any Joe

1126
00:50:56,280 --> 00:50:58,200
Speaker 2: blow can just get a camera, Like this is a

1127
00:50:58,800 --> 00:51:00,919
Speaker 2: I don't know if it was a comedy I forget.

1128
00:51:00,960 --> 00:51:02,880
Speaker 2: I think it was Comedy Central, but like that's like

1129
00:51:03,440 --> 00:51:06,120
Speaker 2: a big production, you know, And so to take a

1130
00:51:06,200 --> 00:51:08,640
Speaker 2: risk where he's like, I'm going to talk to this

1131
00:51:08,640 --> 00:51:11,640
Speaker 2: this interracial couple up front during a special, Like what

1132
00:51:11,680 --> 00:51:14,200
Speaker 2: if it goes bad? And like now they hate the

1133
00:51:14,480 --> 00:51:16,480
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying, Like there's so many risks,

1134
00:51:16,800 --> 00:51:18,960
Speaker 2: but he just didn't care, and I just really and

1135
00:51:19,000 --> 00:51:22,520
Speaker 2: I really always respected the blend that he was able

1136
00:51:22,600 --> 00:51:24,840
Speaker 2: to talk to the crowd and it wasn't bad. I mean,

1137
00:51:25,120 --> 00:51:27,760
Speaker 2: crowd work is a whole topic these days, but yeah,

1138
00:51:28,000 --> 00:51:30,560
Speaker 2: good crowd work is still very, very funny, and I

1139
00:51:30,560 --> 00:51:32,839
Speaker 2: think it really does have a place in comedy and

1140
00:51:32,960 --> 00:51:35,000
Speaker 2: I like doing it when it's good. I think now

1141
00:51:35,040 --> 00:51:37,719
Speaker 2: it's just an overused tool and I think it's kind

1142
00:51:37,760 --> 00:51:40,400
Speaker 2: of become this thing where it's like I don't want

1143
00:51:40,440 --> 00:51:42,120
Speaker 2: to burn jokes, so I'll do a crowd thing. But

1144
00:51:42,239 --> 00:51:44,560
Speaker 2: half these guys are just asking the same questions and

1145
00:51:44,600 --> 00:51:47,680
Speaker 2: they don't really understand how to develop a relationship with

1146
00:51:47,760 --> 00:51:49,560
Speaker 2: the audience where they can get away with some of

1147
00:51:49,600 --> 00:51:55,080
Speaker 2: the stuff. It's just very interview, Like it's just like name, occupation, dating,

1148
00:51:55,160 --> 00:51:57,399
Speaker 2: and it's like, sure, those are questions that you might

1149
00:51:57,440 --> 00:51:59,319
Speaker 2: even have to ask to get a basis, but like,

1150
00:51:59,680 --> 00:52:01,799
Speaker 2: where this is the depth? Where's the unique thing that

1151
00:52:01,840 --> 00:52:02,799
Speaker 2: you're going to pull out of.

1152
00:52:02,800 --> 00:52:05,000
Speaker 3: This person that nobody else is going to fight figure

1153
00:52:05,000 --> 00:52:06,640
Speaker 3: out or find out or how are you going to go?

1154
00:52:07,239 --> 00:52:08,560
Speaker 2: But all I have to say is like he was

1155
00:52:08,600 --> 00:52:11,239
Speaker 2: really able and and Hotel is like this too. You

1156
00:52:11,320 --> 00:52:13,520
Speaker 2: ever seen a tell Live he can talk to the crowd,

1157
00:52:14,120 --> 00:52:15,880
Speaker 2: he can do a riff, and then he can go

1158
00:52:16,000 --> 00:52:19,160
Speaker 2: back into a joke, and it's so seamless because a

1159
00:52:19,200 --> 00:52:21,000
Speaker 2: lot of times you'll see a guy do crowd work

1160
00:52:21,040 --> 00:52:24,040
Speaker 2: and it's hard to go back into a written thought

1161
00:52:24,320 --> 00:52:27,919
Speaker 2: because it's like so obvious that, oh wait, now we're

1162
00:52:27,920 --> 00:52:29,719
Speaker 2: back to the stuff you said one hundred times and

1163
00:52:29,719 --> 00:52:32,360
Speaker 2: we just had so much fun doing the loose stuff.

1164
00:52:33,000 --> 00:52:36,120
Speaker 2: So those guys were true masters are you know, Dave

1165
00:52:36,200 --> 00:52:39,839
Speaker 2: obviously still still touring, and I mean truly David tel

1166
00:52:40,680 --> 00:52:42,520
Speaker 2: one of a few comics when I go see where

1167
00:52:42,560 --> 00:52:45,040
Speaker 2: I laughed like an audience member who doesn't do comedy,

1168
00:52:45,080 --> 00:52:48,239
Speaker 2: like he's that good where I'm just like crying and

1169
00:52:48,239 --> 00:52:50,839
Speaker 2: and you know, you watch stand up I've watched how

1170
00:52:50,880 --> 00:52:53,080
Speaker 2: many thousands of hours have I watched a stand up

1171
00:52:53,120 --> 00:52:55,200
Speaker 2: comedy now in my life? You know, the tricks are

1172
00:52:55,239 --> 00:52:59,080
Speaker 2: all exposed, you know what's happening. But man, I tell dude,

1173
00:52:59,080 --> 00:53:02,239
Speaker 2: he's just so good good that I really, I mean,

1174
00:53:02,719 --> 00:53:04,360
Speaker 2: any chance I get to see him, I'm just like,

1175
00:53:04,520 --> 00:53:06,480
Speaker 2: I just get to like enjoy comedy and I don't

1176
00:53:06,520 --> 00:53:09,880
Speaker 2: have to worry about how I'm breaking it down and

1177
00:53:09,920 --> 00:53:11,879
Speaker 2: how I'm analyzing, I just get to enjoy it.

1178
00:53:11,840 --> 00:53:14,359
Speaker 3: As the thing that you know, we all love.

1179
00:53:14,480 --> 00:53:17,399
Speaker 2: So that is my ideal comic is like a guy

1180
00:53:17,400 --> 00:53:20,320
Speaker 2: who kind of has that holy triangle of like killer material,

1181
00:53:20,920 --> 00:53:23,880
Speaker 2: killer ability to riff if something weird happens in the moment,

1182
00:53:23,920 --> 00:53:25,000
Speaker 2: and like killer crowd work.

1183
00:53:25,080 --> 00:53:27,479
Speaker 3: If you have those three like who's touching you?

1184
00:53:27,520 --> 00:53:31,719
Speaker 2: Like who's who's no One, You're unbeatable because any situation.

1185
00:53:32,520 --> 00:53:35,319
Speaker 2: And you ever talk to any comic who works the

1186
00:53:35,400 --> 00:53:38,480
Speaker 2: Seller and is seen a Tell over the years, you know,

1187
00:53:38,680 --> 00:53:41,319
Speaker 2: he goes up last most nights. He's like the late

1188
00:53:41,440 --> 00:53:43,319
Speaker 2: he's like the closing spot of the late show. He's

1189
00:53:43,320 --> 00:53:45,400
Speaker 2: so he's going up at like one or one point thirty,

1190
00:53:45,480 --> 00:53:48,200
Speaker 2: sometimes two in the morning maybe, And you know, I

1191
00:53:48,239 --> 00:53:50,120
Speaker 2: hear all these comics like, oh man, I was there

1192
00:53:50,160 --> 00:53:52,520
Speaker 2: with a tell one night, and you know, you get

1193
00:53:52,560 --> 00:53:54,520
Speaker 2: off stage, you go, oh they're rough, and he goes

1194
00:53:54,880 --> 00:53:57,960
Speaker 2: all right, and he just goes out there the crowd

1195
00:53:57,960 --> 00:53:59,480
Speaker 2: that was quote unquote rough.

1196
00:53:59,320 --> 00:54:00,480
Speaker 3: He justolates.

1197
00:54:00,560 --> 00:54:03,960
Speaker 2: He immediately he immediately finds the thing that they heed,

1198
00:54:04,560 --> 00:54:06,600
Speaker 2: you know, and every comic of the Seller has a

1199
00:54:06,680 --> 00:54:08,719
Speaker 2: tell story like that. I'm like, oh man, everybody had

1200
00:54:08,719 --> 00:54:10,359
Speaker 2: a rough set and a tel came in and within

1201
00:54:10,400 --> 00:54:13,000
Speaker 2: two seconds he was there. He had him howling, And

1202
00:54:13,040 --> 00:54:15,560
Speaker 2: it's like that's generational talent.

1203
00:54:15,680 --> 00:54:18,120
Speaker 3: Not everybody's going to get there, but like that's the goal.

1204
00:54:18,280 --> 00:54:18,600
Speaker 2: I think.

1205
00:54:18,600 --> 00:54:20,680
Speaker 3: It's like would you want to model yourself after?

1206
00:54:20,840 --> 00:54:24,640
Speaker 2: Like truly, anything that happens on stage, I'm equipped to

1207
00:54:24,640 --> 00:54:27,680
Speaker 2: handle it. If it's a tight crowd who only wants jokes,

1208
00:54:27,680 --> 00:54:29,160
Speaker 2: they don't want to be talked to, you got a

1209
00:54:29,280 --> 00:54:31,840
Speaker 2: killer hour. If it's a crowd that's like they're not

1210
00:54:31,840 --> 00:54:33,680
Speaker 2: really paying attention to drug, you can talk to him.

1211
00:54:33,680 --> 00:54:34,520
Speaker 3: You keep bringing them back.

1212
00:54:34,880 --> 00:54:37,200
Speaker 2: If it's a loose crowd that wants something more like

1213
00:54:37,480 --> 00:54:41,280
Speaker 2: artsy or like flowy, you get like more of the Rory.

1214
00:54:40,960 --> 00:54:42,440
Speaker 3: Sam talent kind of stuff.

1215
00:54:42,560 --> 00:54:45,440
Speaker 2: Like if you can combine all that, it's just like

1216
00:54:45,600 --> 00:54:47,680
Speaker 2: it's like in baseball, you're like a five tool player,

1217
00:54:47,760 --> 00:54:50,000
Speaker 2: Like you got it all, you got speed, power, you

1218
00:54:50,040 --> 00:54:51,799
Speaker 2: got up the whole batting average, home runs.

1219
00:54:51,880 --> 00:54:53,279
Speaker 3: So that type of.

1220
00:54:53,239 --> 00:54:58,799
Speaker 2: Thing is how I look at like how how am

1221
00:54:58,800 --> 00:55:00,000
Speaker 2: I developing those areas?

1222
00:55:00,239 --> 00:55:00,319
Speaker 3: Is?

1223
00:55:00,360 --> 00:55:03,920
Speaker 2: You know? And it's like always pushing yourself to get

1224
00:55:04,560 --> 00:55:07,000
Speaker 2: is can the writing can always be stronger? The riffing

1225
00:55:07,040 --> 00:55:10,200
Speaker 2: can always be stronger, you can always be less fear

1226
00:55:10,239 --> 00:55:12,640
Speaker 2: based on stage. Like I'm really getting into the whole

1227
00:55:12,719 --> 00:55:16,400
Speaker 2: Rory philosophy of like going up with nothing and just

1228
00:55:16,440 --> 00:55:19,560
Speaker 2: being like okay with silence and just being like learning

1229
00:55:19,600 --> 00:55:22,279
Speaker 2: to just crush. I mean, I don't know. I just

1230
00:55:22,320 --> 00:55:24,560
Speaker 2: saw Rory at the ten thousand Last Festival. He did

1231
00:55:24,600 --> 00:55:27,239
Speaker 2: like an hour and ten minutes completely improvised, and with

1232
00:55:27,320 --> 00:55:30,040
Speaker 2: that he had a piano backer, so you just had

1233
00:55:30,040 --> 00:55:32,800
Speaker 2: this guy playing like light piano standing ovation.

1234
00:55:32,960 --> 00:55:35,040
Speaker 3: I mean, the guy he basically.

1235
00:55:34,760 --> 00:55:37,560
Speaker 2: Did a whole one man play almost it wasn't even

1236
00:55:37,600 --> 00:55:40,560
Speaker 2: really stand up. It's like he's doing this whole scene

1237
00:55:40,560 --> 00:55:44,120
Speaker 2: work talking to the audience that's going into the crowd

1238
00:55:44,120 --> 00:55:45,840
Speaker 2: because it was like a theater in the round.

1239
00:55:45,640 --> 00:55:47,319
Speaker 3: So you could like go up the stairs, and I

1240
00:55:47,320 --> 00:55:48,560
Speaker 3: mean it was crazy.

1241
00:55:48,680 --> 00:55:52,799
Speaker 2: And it's like that's this under the same umbrella as

1242
00:55:53,239 --> 00:55:56,759
Speaker 2: a guy like as Steven Wright. You know, like this

1243
00:55:56,840 --> 00:55:59,800
Speaker 2: is the same technically the same art form, but completely different.

1244
00:56:00,520 --> 00:56:02,640
Speaker 1: You know, not not anybody can do that, Like you

1245
00:56:02,640 --> 00:56:04,920
Speaker 1: can't teach that. You just have to you have it

1246
00:56:05,080 --> 00:56:07,799
Speaker 1: or you work really really freaking hard at it.

1247
00:56:08,239 --> 00:56:10,600
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah, but there's just so many things to.

1248
00:56:10,640 --> 00:56:13,359
Speaker 2: Always be aware of and like how can you get

1249
00:56:13,360 --> 00:56:14,880
Speaker 2: better at all these facets?

1250
00:56:14,920 --> 00:56:15,120
Speaker 3: You know?

1251
00:56:15,200 --> 00:56:17,320
Speaker 2: And that that that's that's why it is a life's

1252
00:56:17,360 --> 00:56:20,400
Speaker 2: pursuit if you really make it your career. It's just

1253
00:56:20,560 --> 00:56:23,279
Speaker 2: like you just keep going to the gym every day,

1254
00:56:23,320 --> 00:56:27,560
Speaker 2: you know, you just keep you keep, just like you

1255
00:56:27,560 --> 00:56:30,279
Speaker 2: don't even notice it until like a year later you're like, wow,

1256
00:56:30,320 --> 00:56:31,919
Speaker 2: I'm so much better than I was a year ago.

1257
00:56:31,960 --> 00:56:33,520
Speaker 3: It's like, well, I showed up every day and I

1258
00:56:33,560 --> 00:56:34,080
Speaker 3: did the work.

1259
00:56:34,239 --> 00:56:37,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, towards the end of your special, you had just

1260
00:56:37,239 --> 00:56:39,839
Speaker 1: an incredible crowd work moment.

1261
00:56:40,360 --> 00:56:43,640
Speaker 3: That, yeah, that was so wild, so.

1262
00:56:43,560 --> 00:56:46,399
Speaker 1: That that couldn't have been I mean obviously you did

1263
00:56:46,440 --> 00:56:48,880
Speaker 1: you expect to have a crowd moment that you thought

1264
00:56:48,920 --> 00:56:51,440
Speaker 1: you could maybe add into the special or it was

1265
00:56:51,520 --> 00:56:53,200
Speaker 1: just it happened and you're like, this is gold.

1266
00:56:54,080 --> 00:56:54,360
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1267
00:56:54,480 --> 00:56:56,080
Speaker 2: It just was like one of those ones where I

1268
00:56:56,080 --> 00:56:59,720
Speaker 2: felt like it was kind of like it was weird

1269
00:56:59,800 --> 00:57:03,800
Speaker 2: enough and cool enough that I felt it was okay

1270
00:57:03,840 --> 00:57:05,880
Speaker 2: to put in the special because I think I had

1271
00:57:05,880 --> 00:57:08,759
Speaker 2: had like maybe one or two like crowd work moments

1272
00:57:09,200 --> 00:57:11,040
Speaker 2: because I did whatever, Like I did five shows with

1273
00:57:11,120 --> 00:57:12,280
Speaker 2: Nick and I headlined.

1274
00:57:11,920 --> 00:57:13,680
Speaker 3: My own show, So six shows in a weekend.

1275
00:57:14,200 --> 00:57:15,839
Speaker 2: You know you're gonna talk to the crowd a little

1276
00:57:15,840 --> 00:57:18,640
Speaker 2: bit here and there, and you know, I'm I'm a

1277
00:57:18,640 --> 00:57:21,760
Speaker 2: little looser on stage, so I knew like generally all

1278
00:57:21,840 --> 00:57:23,840
Speaker 2: the jokes I wanted to get to, but I might

1279
00:57:23,840 --> 00:57:24,520
Speaker 2: have switched.

1280
00:57:24,280 --> 00:57:27,120
Speaker 3: The order every other night or like you know, like

1281
00:57:27,160 --> 00:57:29,200
Speaker 3: the dig just shows are. Each show is different, you know,

1282
00:57:29,320 --> 00:57:30,560
Speaker 3: like you never really know, and so.

1283
00:57:32,200 --> 00:57:34,480
Speaker 2: I'm okay just doing like all right, I saw this

1284
00:57:34,520 --> 00:57:37,120
Speaker 2: guy with the suit, like I wanted to talk to him.

1285
00:57:37,560 --> 00:57:40,200
Speaker 2: I didn't even really honestly think mostly about the cameras,

1286
00:57:40,200 --> 00:57:41,960
Speaker 2: Like I was like every time, I was like, let's

1287
00:57:42,000 --> 00:57:42,919
Speaker 2: just put on the best show.

1288
00:57:43,240 --> 00:57:44,200
Speaker 3: Let me give like the.

1289
00:57:44,160 --> 00:57:46,520
Speaker 2: Best half an hour and that will lead to a

1290
00:57:46,560 --> 00:57:49,480
Speaker 2: good special. So that happened, and then when we were

1291
00:57:49,600 --> 00:57:51,439
Speaker 2: editing it, I was like, I don't know, this is good,

1292
00:57:51,480 --> 00:57:52,640
Speaker 2: Like this is a fun moment.

1293
00:57:52,720 --> 00:57:54,760
Speaker 3: It doesn't feel dated. I don't. I think if you

1294
00:57:54,840 --> 00:57:56,440
Speaker 3: watched it in the year, you wouldn't be like, oh,

1295
00:57:56,480 --> 00:57:57,000
Speaker 3: that's weird.

1296
00:57:57,080 --> 00:58:00,840
Speaker 2: Like it just happened and it was very organic and like,

1297
00:58:00,880 --> 00:58:03,040
Speaker 2: you know, dude, people after the show were like, that

1298
00:58:03,200 --> 00:58:06,320
Speaker 2: was my favorite part of the show, like they all

1299
00:58:06,480 --> 00:58:08,800
Speaker 2: if we have real people during the show coming up

1300
00:58:08,840 --> 00:58:11,080
Speaker 2: to you like that was so funny, or like after

1301
00:58:11,680 --> 00:58:14,120
Speaker 2: I posted an Instagram post later that wee could be like,

1302
00:58:14,160 --> 00:58:16,440
Speaker 2: oh thanks for letting me shoot it, and like so

1303
00:58:16,600 --> 00:58:18,960
Speaker 2: many people are like, dude, the Suit Guy thing, I

1304
00:58:19,040 --> 00:58:20,240
Speaker 2: was at the Suit Guy show.

1305
00:58:20,360 --> 00:58:22,600
Speaker 3: You got to put that in. So it's like I

1306
00:58:22,600 --> 00:58:24,880
Speaker 3: had enough positive response just from.

1307
00:58:24,680 --> 00:58:26,480
Speaker 2: The show and after that I was like, all right,

1308
00:58:26,520 --> 00:58:28,680
Speaker 2: people liked it. This is something to put it in there.

1309
00:58:28,760 --> 00:58:34,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, so oh yeah, yeah it was special, that's for sure. Yeah,

1310
00:58:34,760 --> 00:58:39,640
Speaker 1: well the special live from Portland. It's on YouTube.

1311
00:58:39,720 --> 00:58:40,720
Speaker 2: Are you do your work?

1312
00:58:40,720 --> 00:58:42,760
Speaker 1: Are you working on the next or do you just

1313
00:58:42,880 --> 00:58:45,080
Speaker 1: kind of like I need to really push this and

1314
00:58:45,160 --> 00:58:47,880
Speaker 1: just kind of see where we go or what I mean.

1315
00:58:47,880 --> 00:58:49,960
Speaker 2: I'm definitely you know now that it's out there, you

1316
00:58:49,960 --> 00:58:52,720
Speaker 2: know you do and every you know, always hitting people up.

1317
00:58:52,760 --> 00:58:54,520
Speaker 2: Can I do a pod or can we get this

1318
00:58:54,720 --> 00:58:56,480
Speaker 2: out somewhere an interview or whatever?

1319
00:58:56,520 --> 00:58:57,240
Speaker 3: But yeah, I mean.

1320
00:58:57,160 --> 00:59:02,840
Speaker 2: Obviously, uh, it's really I actually did not expect to

1321
00:59:02,880 --> 00:59:08,120
Speaker 2: be this happy to be done with a set of jokes, like, because.

1322
00:59:07,880 --> 00:59:10,120
Speaker 3: You know, I've been doing comedy when I recorded you know.

1323
00:59:10,120 --> 00:59:11,000
Speaker 3: I mean I'm coming up.

1324
00:59:10,960 --> 00:59:12,920
Speaker 2: To twelve years in comedy, which is you know, that's

1325
00:59:12,920 --> 00:59:14,520
Speaker 2: a lot. I mean, it's not like when you hear

1326
00:59:14,680 --> 00:59:16,560
Speaker 2: guys who've been doing it thirty five years whatever, But

1327
00:59:16,640 --> 00:59:19,920
Speaker 2: you know, I've spent twelve almost twelve years in my

1328
00:59:19,960 --> 00:59:21,240
Speaker 2: life pursuing the same thing.

1329
00:59:21,280 --> 00:59:24,240
Speaker 3: And like until you put something down for people to see,

1330
00:59:24,240 --> 00:59:24,520
Speaker 3: like you.

1331
00:59:24,440 --> 00:59:28,440
Speaker 2: Can always draw from older jokes, you know, yep, and

1332
00:59:28,520 --> 00:59:32,440
Speaker 2: like obviously my first five years, five first, you.

1333
00:59:32,400 --> 00:59:33,600
Speaker 3: Know, six seven years.

1334
00:59:33,640 --> 00:59:36,640
Speaker 2: Really I don't I can't even remember a lot of

1335
00:59:36,640 --> 00:59:38,560
Speaker 2: those jokes, you know, Like I have so many jokes

1336
00:59:38,560 --> 00:59:40,120
Speaker 2: that I wrote and did that I you know, you

1337
00:59:40,200 --> 00:59:41,959
Speaker 2: just kind of lose them the time because you write

1338
00:59:41,960 --> 00:59:44,240
Speaker 2: better jokes and you well, once you actually say like

1339
00:59:44,320 --> 00:59:46,400
Speaker 2: this is a piece of work that I'm going to record,

1340
00:59:46,440 --> 00:59:49,600
Speaker 2: and they're out there, like I was so happy to

1341
00:59:49,640 --> 00:59:51,840
Speaker 2: be like, oh man, the like there is pressure to

1342
00:59:51,880 --> 00:59:54,840
Speaker 2: write new jokes, but there also is a relief of pressure.

1343
00:59:54,600 --> 00:59:56,240
Speaker 3: Like I don't have to say these. I don't have

1344
00:59:56,280 --> 00:59:57,400
Speaker 3: to feel burdened to like.

1345
00:59:58,240 --> 01:00:01,760
Speaker 2: Because I toured this these that set hard, you know,

1346
01:00:01,840 --> 01:00:03,560
Speaker 2: like I knew I was recording in April, so like

1347
01:00:03,640 --> 01:00:07,480
Speaker 2: I was on the road a lot in February and March,

1348
01:00:07,600 --> 01:00:10,240
Speaker 2: like really trying to get it as tight as possible,

1349
01:00:10,320 --> 01:00:13,800
Speaker 2: so headlines, a lot of rooms, a lot of clubs,

1350
01:00:13,840 --> 01:00:15,160
Speaker 2: and just like you know, you want to work it

1351
01:00:15,160 --> 01:00:16,880
Speaker 2: as much you can. So by the time I was done,

1352
01:00:16,880 --> 01:00:18,400
Speaker 2: I was like, dude, I'm so glad I don't have

1353
01:00:18,440 --> 01:00:19,400
Speaker 2: to do this and it.

1354
01:00:19,400 --> 01:00:21,600
Speaker 3: You know, yeah, I was out of the van by

1355
01:00:21,600 --> 01:00:22,000
Speaker 3: that point.

1356
01:00:22,000 --> 01:00:24,040
Speaker 2: It wasn't even really like you know, like I was

1357
01:00:24,120 --> 01:00:24,760
Speaker 2: kind of done with.

1358
01:00:24,720 --> 01:00:25,680
Speaker 3: That chapter of my life.

1359
01:00:25,720 --> 01:00:28,000
Speaker 2: So it felt like that part felt good to kind

1360
01:00:28,000 --> 01:00:30,040
Speaker 2: of wrap up and be like, yeah, that's this is it,

1361
01:00:31,000 --> 01:00:35,400
Speaker 2: and yeah, now there is that challenge of like, let's write.

1362
01:00:36,120 --> 01:00:38,120
Speaker 2: I think the goal for me is like I want

1363
01:00:38,120 --> 01:00:40,480
Speaker 2: to look back at this the one I just dropped,

1364
01:00:40,520 --> 01:00:42,200
Speaker 2: and then what let's say I drop one in two

1365
01:00:42,240 --> 01:00:42,640
Speaker 2: or three.

1366
01:00:42,520 --> 01:00:44,680
Speaker 3: Years, be like, look at how much better this stuff?

1367
01:00:44,720 --> 01:00:46,960
Speaker 3: Like you want you want growth.

1368
01:00:47,040 --> 01:00:48,920
Speaker 2: The worst thing you can ever see from a comic

1369
01:00:49,080 --> 01:00:51,760
Speaker 2: is like, oh man, like and this happens a lot

1370
01:00:51,800 --> 01:00:52,920
Speaker 2: more with famous comics.

1371
01:00:52,960 --> 01:00:54,600
Speaker 3: So I don't think I'm in.

1372
01:00:54,560 --> 01:00:59,240
Speaker 2: That boat by any means. So it's like I still

1373
01:00:59,280 --> 01:01:00,800
Speaker 2: have a lot of that hunger because I'm kind of

1374
01:01:00,840 --> 01:01:03,000
Speaker 2: living on the edge. But you know, you see guys

1375
01:01:03,040 --> 01:01:06,440
Speaker 2: who get money, they get fame, and the comedy suffers

1376
01:01:06,440 --> 01:01:09,800
Speaker 2: because now maybe they're acting more or they're doing more podcasting.

1377
01:01:10,280 --> 01:01:14,320
Speaker 2: That's like you know, big time money making podcasting. So

1378
01:01:14,400 --> 01:01:18,080
Speaker 2: you just don't get the same level of like killer

1379
01:01:18,320 --> 01:01:21,360
Speaker 2: stuff because their their mind is elsewhere. Are they got

1380
01:01:21,360 --> 01:01:24,680
Speaker 2: a family and they're like, dude, I'm I'm doing well

1381
01:01:24,720 --> 01:01:28,400
Speaker 2: and I don't need to really bring the heat, Like

1382
01:01:29,760 --> 01:01:31,400
Speaker 2: you don't have that fear of like, dude, if I

1383
01:01:31,400 --> 01:01:33,440
Speaker 2: don't crush as hard as the Ken, no one's gonna

1384
01:01:33,800 --> 01:01:34,120
Speaker 2: help me.

1385
01:01:34,160 --> 01:01:35,240
Speaker 3: Know, it's gonna give me anything.

1386
01:01:35,360 --> 01:01:37,800
Speaker 2: So once you've made it, it's like bands, you know,

1387
01:01:37,920 --> 01:01:41,600
Speaker 2: like how many bands keep everybody has a favorite band, Like, yeah,

1388
01:01:41,600 --> 01:01:43,240
Speaker 2: they peeked after their earlier stuff.

1389
01:01:43,240 --> 01:01:45,600
Speaker 1: And then I was just thinking the same thing. I'm

1390
01:01:45,640 --> 01:01:48,760
Speaker 1: like bands that like hate playing their hit songs, got it?

1391
01:01:48,840 --> 01:01:50,760
Speaker 1: I just yeah, I'll go get a beer then, like

1392
01:01:50,800 --> 01:01:52,560
Speaker 1: I came here to see it, to hear it, like

1393
01:01:52,600 --> 01:01:54,880
Speaker 1: I want to feel it and make it.

1394
01:01:54,800 --> 01:01:58,000
Speaker 2: Care of this, yeah, and so you want I think

1395
01:01:58,040 --> 01:02:03,160
Speaker 2: from the goal is like always like, let's this the

1396
01:02:03,200 --> 01:02:05,680
Speaker 2: next thing I do. Should should really blow this one

1397
01:02:05,680 --> 01:02:07,400
Speaker 2: out of the water. This is the hope, you know,

1398
01:02:07,760 --> 01:02:09,720
Speaker 2: that's the goal that you're shooting for. Is like, man,

1399
01:02:09,760 --> 01:02:13,080
Speaker 2: when this is stuff, the new stuff is ready, it's

1400
01:02:13,080 --> 01:02:16,600
Speaker 2: gonna really be like you. You want the people who've

1401
01:02:16,640 --> 01:02:18,200
Speaker 2: been following in your career to be like, oh wow,

1402
01:02:18,320 --> 01:02:24,640
Speaker 2: Jacob made a big jump from from twenty from the

1403
01:02:24,760 --> 01:02:25,600
Speaker 2: one a few years ago.

1404
01:02:25,680 --> 01:02:28,280
Speaker 3: So that would be my that would be my goal.

1405
01:02:28,360 --> 01:02:30,360
Speaker 2: And so yeah, now it's just slowly, you know, right

1406
01:02:30,400 --> 01:02:32,800
Speaker 2: and performing every day, just trying to get up as

1407
01:02:32,840 --> 01:02:36,240
Speaker 2: much as possible, and you know, see where we're at.

1408
01:02:36,560 --> 01:02:41,560
Speaker 1: So the Hardman Soft Boy tour you're on currently, is

1409
01:02:41,600 --> 01:02:45,080
Speaker 1: that that's separate than what you're then you're yeah, solo

1410
01:02:45,120 --> 01:02:45,960
Speaker 1: stand up then.

1411
01:02:46,640 --> 01:02:50,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I have like obviously my own solo stuff

1412
01:02:50,240 --> 01:02:52,439
Speaker 3: that I tour with, and then the hard Man Soft

1413
01:02:52,480 --> 01:02:53,520
Speaker 3: Boy is a.

1414
01:02:55,400 --> 01:02:58,520
Speaker 2: It's a live comedy show and my buddy and Hunter

1415
01:02:58,560 --> 01:02:59,440
Speaker 2: and I do that together.

1416
01:02:59,480 --> 01:03:00,640
Speaker 3: We also have a podcasts or.

1417
01:03:00,720 --> 01:03:03,120
Speaker 2: The same name, which we may we may or may

1418
01:03:03,120 --> 01:03:05,800
Speaker 2: not be changing branding a little bit just to kind

1419
01:03:05,800 --> 01:03:08,440
Speaker 2: of there's some confusion because when you have a podcast

1420
01:03:08,480 --> 01:03:09,960
Speaker 2: and then you also go on tour, people think it's

1421
01:03:09,960 --> 01:03:11,080
Speaker 2: a live podcast, but.

1422
01:03:11,000 --> 01:03:13,800
Speaker 3: It's it's not it's a completely different show. But the

1423
01:03:13,840 --> 01:03:16,919
Speaker 3: show is it's very it's a riff heavy.

1424
01:03:17,240 --> 01:03:21,440
Speaker 2: Show where we have four local comics and we do

1425
01:03:21,520 --> 01:03:26,080
Speaker 2: this thing where audience submit anonymous kind of like drug sex,

1426
01:03:26,160 --> 01:03:28,640
Speaker 2: rock and roll party stories, anything that they want to

1427
01:03:28,640 --> 01:03:30,000
Speaker 2: feel shared, and it's all anonymous.

1428
01:03:30,000 --> 01:03:32,560
Speaker 3: We gather those before the show and then we.

1429
01:03:32,520 --> 01:03:34,400
Speaker 2: Have a comic do like a tight five minute set,

1430
01:03:34,480 --> 01:03:36,880
Speaker 2: and then either Hunter and I comes up with them

1431
01:03:36,920 --> 01:03:39,000
Speaker 2: and we riff on the story. So it's very loose.

1432
01:03:39,080 --> 01:03:41,120
Speaker 2: The audience gets into it. It's a lot of fun.

1433
01:03:41,760 --> 01:03:44,560
Speaker 2: But we have a number of shows coming up in

1434
01:03:44,600 --> 01:03:47,800
Speaker 2: the next month. We have won this Saturday in Brooklyn

1435
01:03:47,840 --> 01:03:50,200
Speaker 2: at the Bushell Comedy Club, but then we're in Minneapolis,

1436
01:03:50,240 --> 01:03:52,520
Speaker 2: we're in Poor Collins or in Denver.

1437
01:03:52,680 --> 01:03:54,680
Speaker 3: And so it's kind of like another thing to have

1438
01:03:54,800 --> 01:03:55,760
Speaker 3: to tour on, you know.

1439
01:03:55,880 --> 01:03:57,560
Speaker 2: It's like kind of takes the pressure off of you,

1440
01:03:57,680 --> 01:04:00,560
Speaker 2: especially when I'm like building new material to not you know,

1441
01:04:00,640 --> 01:04:03,160
Speaker 2: it's like I just burned all this material.

1442
01:04:03,200 --> 01:04:05,400
Speaker 3: I don't have like a new hour hour, you know.

1443
01:04:05,520 --> 01:04:07,840
Speaker 2: So it's kind of like I have some old stuff

1444
01:04:07,880 --> 01:04:09,320
Speaker 2: that I can do and I have some you know,

1445
01:04:09,440 --> 01:04:12,200
Speaker 2: looser stuff that will get me across the finish line.

1446
01:04:12,240 --> 01:04:14,480
Speaker 2: But it is kind of nice to be like, oh,

1447
01:04:14,520 --> 01:04:16,600
Speaker 2: I have this whole other thing that I can do

1448
01:04:16,640 --> 01:04:18,840
Speaker 2: with my friend, and it's like a new way for

1449
01:04:18,840 --> 01:04:21,200
Speaker 2: people to discover you. And it really is like a

1450
01:04:21,320 --> 01:04:25,040
Speaker 2: very crowd participation show, so a crowd like we really

1451
01:04:25,040 --> 01:04:26,919
Speaker 2: get a lot of positive feedback on that show because

1452
01:04:26,920 --> 01:04:28,880
Speaker 2: everybody's like a part of the show and it's very

1453
01:04:28,880 --> 01:04:29,480
Speaker 2: fun for them.

1454
01:04:29,520 --> 01:04:30,920
Speaker 3: So we're trying to do that.

1455
01:04:31,000 --> 01:04:32,960
Speaker 2: It's just a you know, again, it's all this like

1456
01:04:33,040 --> 01:04:35,600
Speaker 2: business stuff of like now I have to make clips

1457
01:04:35,600 --> 01:04:37,520
Speaker 2: for that. Now I have to you know, it's like

1458
01:04:37,960 --> 01:04:40,240
Speaker 2: it's like trying to start a second career like.

1459
01:04:40,240 --> 01:04:43,160
Speaker 3: While you're also building a first one. So that that

1460
01:04:43,320 --> 01:04:47,360
Speaker 3: is a little bit of like of a challenge.

1461
01:04:47,360 --> 01:04:49,800
Speaker 2: But it is fun because you know, Hunter and I've

1462
01:04:49,840 --> 01:04:52,480
Speaker 2: been working together for years and it is a very.

1463
01:04:52,320 --> 01:04:54,080
Speaker 3: Fun show to be a part of.

1464
01:04:54,160 --> 01:04:57,120
Speaker 2: And I think if we get a big enough following,

1465
01:04:57,160 --> 01:04:58,960
Speaker 2: it could be something that people really.

1466
01:05:00,280 --> 01:05:02,360
Speaker 3: Want to come out and check out on their own

1467
01:05:02,400 --> 01:05:04,040
Speaker 3: and then you know, hopefully.

1468
01:05:05,560 --> 01:05:08,320
Speaker 2: Hopefully they also go, oh, next time you're in town solo,

1469
01:05:09,200 --> 01:05:10,560
Speaker 2: I'll see yourself stuff.

1470
01:05:10,760 --> 01:05:11,680
Speaker 3: Yeah exactly.

1471
01:05:11,880 --> 01:05:14,120
Speaker 1: So yeah, and it's great like you just said, I

1472
01:05:14,160 --> 01:05:18,320
Speaker 1: think it's perfect, Like the formula of you you're touring solo,

1473
01:05:18,680 --> 01:05:21,320
Speaker 1: you put out the special and then you give yourself

1474
01:05:21,320 --> 01:05:23,080
Speaker 1: a breather to work on stuff and you do this,

1475
01:05:23,600 --> 01:05:25,680
Speaker 1: you know, you do the two man show, the live show,

1476
01:05:25,720 --> 01:05:30,040
Speaker 1: and it's perfect breather for it. So what like so

1477
01:05:30,160 --> 01:05:32,120
Speaker 1: next year you said, you're already booking out, Like, is

1478
01:05:32,120 --> 01:05:34,480
Speaker 1: there anything you want to promote, anything you want to announce,

1479
01:05:34,600 --> 01:05:37,560
Speaker 1: like anything, I guess date wise or is it just

1480
01:05:37,640 --> 01:05:40,040
Speaker 1: kind of like we're waiting till next year?

1481
01:05:40,760 --> 01:05:42,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I definitely have some dates.

1482
01:05:44,200 --> 01:05:47,600
Speaker 2: February tenth through the fifteenth, I'm at the Comedy Cave

1483
01:05:47,680 --> 01:05:54,520
Speaker 2: in Calgary. I will be headlining Comics Sense in Boulder

1484
01:05:54,720 --> 01:06:00,400
Speaker 2: February twenty eighth. In March first, I will be lightning

1485
01:06:00,520 --> 01:06:04,320
Speaker 2: Sissyphist Brewing in Minneapolis March twenty first, March twenty second,

1486
01:06:05,640 --> 01:06:09,240
Speaker 2: potentially some Philly dates in late March, and then a

1487
01:06:09,280 --> 01:06:13,040
Speaker 2: few odd like one nighters in like late April and

1488
01:06:13,160 --> 01:06:14,920
Speaker 2: like Virginia and Upstate New York.

1489
01:06:16,320 --> 01:06:18,400
Speaker 3: But yeah, the calendar is always changing.

1490
01:06:18,480 --> 01:06:21,440
Speaker 2: And you know, if people follow me, like my websites,

1491
01:06:21,480 --> 01:06:24,680
Speaker 2: Thecomedianjake dot com and a link tree is also in

1492
01:06:24,760 --> 01:06:27,960
Speaker 2: all my social media bios at the Comedian Jake and

1493
01:06:28,000 --> 01:06:30,480
Speaker 2: all those so very easy to find where I'm at.

1494
01:06:30,560 --> 01:06:32,920
Speaker 3: But I'm always adding shows and then you know, I'm

1495
01:06:32,960 --> 01:06:34,120
Speaker 3: just when I'm.

1496
01:06:33,960 --> 01:06:36,640
Speaker 2: In New York. I'm doing just as many shows as

1497
01:06:36,640 --> 01:06:40,880
Speaker 2: I can in New York. And yeah, and if people

1498
01:06:40,920 --> 01:06:43,880
Speaker 2: ever want, I'm always open, you know, I'm always out

1499
01:06:43,920 --> 01:06:44,880
Speaker 2: down to do weird stuff.

1500
01:06:44,880 --> 01:06:46,520
Speaker 3: So if anybody's ever like, oh, maybe a.

1501
01:06:46,480 --> 01:06:49,320
Speaker 2: Private show or maybe you know, we got I've performed

1502
01:06:49,320 --> 01:06:53,760
Speaker 2: at these van gatherings before. I've done a wedding. I

1503
01:06:53,800 --> 01:06:55,640
Speaker 2: haven't done a funeral yet. I'm waiting to do my

1504
01:06:55,680 --> 01:06:59,160
Speaker 2: first funeral. But I've done weddings, I've done backyards and

1505
01:06:59,280 --> 01:07:03,480
Speaker 2: basements of a rooftops, I've done I've done the gamut, you.

1506
01:07:03,400 --> 01:07:06,960
Speaker 3: Know, So I'm open to all all offers.

1507
01:07:08,080 --> 01:07:11,160
Speaker 2: But yeah, it's you know, that's when you're at this stage,

1508
01:07:11,160 --> 01:07:14,760
Speaker 2: it's all just self self financed and self and just hoping,

1509
01:07:14,960 --> 01:07:18,160
Speaker 2: hoping to kind of get month by month, year by year,

1510
01:07:18,200 --> 01:07:19,720
Speaker 2: and then hopefully you look back and all right, we

1511
01:07:20,040 --> 01:07:20,800
Speaker 2: build something here.

1512
01:07:20,920 --> 01:07:23,720
Speaker 1: You know, Well, my family that's listening. If I die soon,

1513
01:07:23,800 --> 01:07:25,880
Speaker 1: book book Jake, please at the funeral.

1514
01:07:26,040 --> 01:07:28,360
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, yes, yeah, I would love to do your

1515
01:07:28,360 --> 01:07:31,240
Speaker 2: funeral if if it ends tragically, Young.

1516
01:07:34,240 --> 01:07:34,959
Speaker 3: Well Man.

1517
01:07:35,040 --> 01:07:37,560
Speaker 1: Thanks, I can't say thank you enough for coming on

1518
01:07:37,600 --> 01:07:41,920
Speaker 1: the show and uh we're gonna promote the crap out

1519
01:07:41,960 --> 01:07:44,040
Speaker 1: of life from Portland. I can promise you that.

1520
01:07:44,080 --> 01:07:45,560
Speaker 3: Thank you so much. Yeah, i'd a great I loved

1521
01:07:45,680 --> 01:07:47,440
Speaker 3: I love talking you know, talking shops.

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Speaker 2: So I mean it's like every comic gets addicted this stuff,

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Speaker 2: so it's very fun to uh have.

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Speaker 3: An opporune to do it.

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Speaker 2: I appreciate I appreciate you having me youngsty Dott