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Speaker 1: Monday June. I've got to say this, it felt pretty

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Speaker 1: the one. I basically, you know, played a lot of

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Speaker 1: to Steph Curry in Friday night's performance, I want to

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Speaker 1: Eric Snow, former NBA point guard. I guess um you

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Speaker 1: But from a dad's sports note, I played in maybe

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Speaker 1: skilled and very talented could struggle because of the aggressive

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Speaker 1: nature that you were allowed to play with us. Um.

425
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Speaker 1: It wasn't that he was a bad basketball player. Was

426
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Speaker 1: just that a guy that was stronger and less talented

427
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Speaker 1: could end up making him less effective, where whereas now

428
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Speaker 1: you have it's different those UM And I've always said,

429
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Speaker 1: I don't think that the guys now are more talented

430
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Speaker 1: than than when I play. I just think there's more

431
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Speaker 1: talented player, more skilled players. I don't think they're more

432
00:22:02,800 --> 00:22:06,199
Speaker 1: skilled than the top players that we had, UM, but

433
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Speaker 1: it's just more because of the you know, they're not

434
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Speaker 1: as ne're not allowed to play as aggressive with those big,

435
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Speaker 1: strong guys, like a guy like p J. Tucker was

436
00:22:16,040 --> 00:22:19,679
Speaker 1: way more p J Tuckers when I played UM, whereas

437
00:22:19,680 --> 00:22:21,920
Speaker 1: now he stands out but you can see he's still effective,

438
00:22:22,280 --> 00:22:24,920
Speaker 1: but he stands out because it's not a lot of them.

439
00:22:24,960 --> 00:22:27,040
Speaker 1: But when I played, it was almost two or three

440
00:22:27,080 --> 00:22:32,360
Speaker 1: on each team. UM. But that's just a style when

441
00:22:32,359 --> 00:22:34,880
Speaker 1: people were adapted. Just like everything else in life, people

442
00:22:34,960 --> 00:22:38,760
Speaker 1: adapting styles and things change and phones change that we

443
00:22:38,800 --> 00:22:41,400
Speaker 1: didn't even have cell phones when I graduated college. Now

444
00:22:41,440 --> 00:22:44,720
Speaker 1: look what they have. Yeah, it's funny you use p J. Tucker.

445
00:22:44,800 --> 00:22:47,080
Speaker 1: I like that example because when he came into the league,

446
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Speaker 1: I think out of Texas. You know, he was in

447
00:22:48,440 --> 00:22:51,440
Speaker 1: the NBA and it was it was evolving to where

448
00:22:51,560 --> 00:22:53,919
Speaker 1: like hey, man, we don't really do power forwards anymore.

449
00:22:53,960 --> 00:22:55,960
Speaker 1: And I think he had to go to China or

450
00:22:56,080 --> 00:22:59,200
Speaker 1: Japan somewhere internationally in Asia for like two or three

451
00:22:59,280 --> 00:23:01,880
Speaker 1: years and he changed his career and now he comes

452
00:23:01,920 --> 00:23:04,560
Speaker 1: back and here he is thriving at thirty five, and

453
00:23:04,600 --> 00:23:08,239
Speaker 1: it it just kind of shows the evolution of you know,

454
00:23:08,280 --> 00:23:11,199
Speaker 1: the power forward position. I mean, you know, you you

455
00:23:11,240 --> 00:23:14,800
Speaker 1: mentioned physical nature. The word dog also comes up a lot,

456
00:23:14,800 --> 00:23:18,119
Speaker 1: like Patrick Beverley's a dog and Marcus Smarts a dog. Defensively,

457
00:23:18,880 --> 00:23:20,800
Speaker 1: how many dogs are playing in in in the late

458
00:23:20,880 --> 00:23:23,159
Speaker 1: nineties early two thousands, Like everybody on the roster had

459
00:23:23,200 --> 00:23:25,120
Speaker 1: to be one, right, Yeah, yeah, I mean that's where

460
00:23:25,119 --> 00:23:29,200
Speaker 1: it was there. I mean, you had to be somewhat

461
00:23:29,200 --> 00:23:33,920
Speaker 1: aggressive because that was how you were successful because it

462
00:23:33,960 --> 00:23:38,600
Speaker 1: was it was necessary, and it was allowed. Um, So

463
00:23:39,400 --> 00:23:42,119
Speaker 1: you had to kind of be aggressive with those guys

464
00:23:42,119 --> 00:23:44,000
Speaker 1: that were really, really good. I mean, that's that's the

465
00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:48,760
Speaker 1: way teams kind of want. Um, you play against Kobe Bryant,

466
00:23:48,920 --> 00:23:51,240
Speaker 1: and you know, if you're not aggressive and he's aggressive,

467
00:23:51,280 --> 00:23:54,480
Speaker 1: and he's gonna really embarrassing. So you had to come,

468
00:23:54,800 --> 00:23:57,360
Speaker 1: you know, get an advantage. And that was a way

469
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Speaker 1: of getting an advantage UM to the best of your limit,

470
00:24:00,680 --> 00:24:02,800
Speaker 1: of pushing it, you know, to as much as you

471
00:24:02,840 --> 00:24:06,200
Speaker 1: could do without constantly following people are getting in foul trouble.

472
00:24:06,640 --> 00:24:11,720
Speaker 1: But it's I think that you know, Patrick, and and

473
00:24:11,960 --> 00:24:17,120
Speaker 1: and you know Marcus are playing, They're doing what they

474
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Speaker 1: do best. I just think that they kind of people

475
00:24:19,480 --> 00:24:22,720
Speaker 1: kind of throw that name out for them because it's

476
00:24:23,359 --> 00:24:25,640
Speaker 1: it's different now that it's not a lot of them,

477
00:24:25,680 --> 00:24:29,120
Speaker 1: whereas later, you know, earlier years that you have more

478
00:24:29,160 --> 00:24:31,800
Speaker 1: guys like that, whereas now it's being that it's not

479
00:24:31,880 --> 00:24:36,560
Speaker 1: as many they stand out. Yeah, I want to pivot

480
00:24:36,600 --> 00:24:39,159
Speaker 1: to Iverson real quick. He grew up a couple hours

481
00:24:39,160 --> 00:24:41,520
Speaker 1: south of where I was, and you know, there was

482
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Speaker 1: no internet when I was like in high school and stuff.

483
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Speaker 1: So this guy was you just read about him in

484
00:24:45,359 --> 00:24:48,080
Speaker 1: the newspaper just a legend. I am curious playing with him.

485
00:24:48,080 --> 00:24:50,320
Speaker 1: Did you ever find yourself just kind of watching him

486
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Speaker 1: go to work offensively? Because he was one of the

487
00:24:52,960 --> 00:24:55,879
Speaker 1: most dynamic one on one players of his era. Well you,

488
00:24:56,520 --> 00:24:58,360
Speaker 1: I mean I when when we were playing, I never

489
00:24:58,400 --> 00:25:03,080
Speaker 1: really got caught up like just watching um because I

490
00:25:03,160 --> 00:25:05,160
Speaker 1: always had to be the one that was kind of

491
00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:08,600
Speaker 1: making sure the team was running and pulling guys back

492
00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:11,840
Speaker 1: defensively and making sure we're in our spots. So I

493
00:25:11,960 --> 00:25:14,000
Speaker 1: was just telling some one the other day about, you know,

494
00:25:14,200 --> 00:25:16,840
Speaker 1: the stepover on t look like I didn't. I didn't

495
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Speaker 1: even see that play until like the replays later, Like

496
00:25:20,240 --> 00:25:25,320
Speaker 1: I didn't even know that that appened. Um, So you're

497
00:25:25,400 --> 00:25:27,960
Speaker 1: you're in the game and no, not necessarily focusing on

498
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Speaker 1: him doing it, but I'm aware that you know, he's

499
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Speaker 1: he's effective and he hasn't he got it going because

500
00:25:34,040 --> 00:25:36,119
Speaker 1: I was the one that the majority of time was

501
00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:38,000
Speaker 1: trying to feed him the ball. So I'm aware of

502
00:25:38,040 --> 00:25:41,760
Speaker 1: when he has going and what he's doing. When you were,

503
00:25:42,440 --> 00:25:45,359
Speaker 1: you know, all defense, well with the Sixers, I'm assuming

504
00:25:45,400 --> 00:25:47,879
Speaker 1: you go to irish in in practice outside of defending

505
00:25:47,920 --> 00:25:49,560
Speaker 1: him in practice. Who was the toughest guy in the league.

506
00:25:49,600 --> 00:25:54,120
Speaker 1: He had to check back then, Um, because Jordan had

507
00:25:54,160 --> 00:26:02,440
Speaker 1: just retired. When Jordan was gone, probably Um be Bryant's Um,

508
00:26:02,560 --> 00:26:08,720
Speaker 1: Reggie Miller, Reggie Miller and Stefan Marberry. No, Vince Carter, Well,

509
00:26:08,760 --> 00:26:10,359
Speaker 1: he's a little bigger right now. I didn't say they

510
00:26:10,359 --> 00:26:14,320
Speaker 1: weren't tough. All of those guys, Vince Temc they were

511
00:26:14,359 --> 00:26:16,680
Speaker 1: all tough, Steve Francis, Like all those guys were tough.

512
00:26:17,040 --> 00:26:19,760
Speaker 1: You just said who who who I felt was the toughest. Right,

513
00:26:20,480 --> 00:26:23,119
Speaker 1: it's not much of a difference between those three and

514
00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:26,480
Speaker 1: some of the next three. Like it's it's very close. Interesting.

515
00:26:26,520 --> 00:26:29,320
Speaker 1: We've had some spirited Reggie Miller debates on this podcast

516
00:26:29,359 --> 00:26:32,080
Speaker 1: and whether or not he was kind of elevated from

517
00:26:32,119 --> 00:26:34,960
Speaker 1: a few high profile games against Jordan's and the Knicks.

518
00:26:35,080 --> 00:26:36,960
Speaker 1: I know his numbers are great, obviously Hall of Famer

519
00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:40,159
Speaker 1: and not trying to go at him, but like you know,

520
00:26:40,160 --> 00:26:42,359
Speaker 1: when you when you look at his career, like he

521
00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:44,560
Speaker 1: didn't make that many All Star games, he was never

522
00:26:44,600 --> 00:26:47,680
Speaker 1: really an All NBA guy. What made him so tough

523
00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:51,520
Speaker 1: to defend? Um, constant movement, same thing that makes Stuff

524
00:26:51,560 --> 00:26:55,520
Speaker 1: Curry so effective, being able to score and get shots

525
00:26:55,680 --> 00:26:59,520
Speaker 1: without dominating the basketball. So I'm a firm believer when

526
00:26:59,520 --> 00:27:02,880
Speaker 1: the guys on them from behind the defense, Um, they're

527
00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:05,120
Speaker 1: tough to defend because the help usually don't know where

528
00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:07,639
Speaker 1: they are. Um, he can come off screens and he

529
00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:10,159
Speaker 1: was six seven plus or whatever. He could catch and shoot.

530
00:27:10,520 --> 00:27:12,880
Speaker 1: And if if he's coming and he's turning the left shoulder,

531
00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:17,000
Speaker 1: you really can't impact the shot. Um. So it made

532
00:27:17,040 --> 00:27:18,880
Speaker 1: it tough from that standpoint. And then he was so

533
00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:22,159
Speaker 1: you know, if you were aggressive with him, he was

534
00:27:22,160 --> 00:27:24,400
Speaker 1: a floppy guy. And then but he would push you

535
00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:27,280
Speaker 1: and never get called for it. Um. He was just

536
00:27:27,520 --> 00:27:31,480
Speaker 1: very good, very clever, very slick. Um. And and when

537
00:27:31,480 --> 00:27:34,800
Speaker 1: he was coming off those screens, like I just had trouble. Um.

538
00:27:34,840 --> 00:27:37,159
Speaker 1: I mean, that was probably a guy that a I

539
00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:39,520
Speaker 1: did that was probably maybe the only guy that we

540
00:27:39,560 --> 00:27:42,000
Speaker 1: played against the AI did a better job defended than

541
00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:46,280
Speaker 1: than me, because a I didn't really he could come

542
00:27:46,320 --> 00:27:49,760
Speaker 1: off those screens because he was smaller, so he could

543
00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:52,560
Speaker 1: he could maneuver around those screens a little better than

544
00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:55,840
Speaker 1: I could. Um. But yeah, I defended Reggie. But that

545
00:27:55,720 --> 00:27:58,120
Speaker 1: was that was a tough one. I want to ask

546
00:27:58,160 --> 00:28:00,840
Speaker 1: about the six years. You obviously know the team very

547
00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:02,880
Speaker 1: very well, Joel and Bid one of the toughest guys

548
00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:05,359
Speaker 1: in the league to guard. They had a tough season

549
00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:07,800
Speaker 1: the way it ended, I know, and Beide was injured

550
00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:12,160
Speaker 1: the whole Ben Simmons fiasco, James Harden. Are the Sixers

551
00:28:12,160 --> 00:28:15,280
Speaker 1: at the crossroads here? Eric? Um? You know, given the whole,

552
00:28:15,680 --> 00:28:19,080
Speaker 1: you know, trust the process, Like I know the process

553
00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:21,879
Speaker 1: is ever evolving. But where do they go from here? Like?

554
00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:24,760
Speaker 1: Can they get better? He seems like it's improving. I

555
00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:27,120
Speaker 1: think they have to get better. I mean, I think

556
00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:29,720
Speaker 1: I want to give up James a year where they

557
00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:32,680
Speaker 1: have a training camp and they have a full season. Um,

558
00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:34,679
Speaker 1: but it's still pieces that they need to add. But

559
00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:36,720
Speaker 1: I think they're close. I mean, the Boston is in

560
00:28:36,760 --> 00:28:40,360
Speaker 1: the finals and UM ended up with the same record,

561
00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:44,840
Speaker 1: So um, it's not that far off, man. I think that.

562
00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:47,680
Speaker 1: But I do feel that the urgency has to be

563
00:28:47,800 --> 00:28:50,760
Speaker 1: high because I think that you gotta take advantage of

564
00:28:50,800 --> 00:28:54,600
Speaker 1: the years and the success that Joel was having. Right now,

565
00:28:55,640 --> 00:28:57,760
Speaker 1: what do you think Harden can still improve? I know

566
00:28:57,800 --> 00:29:01,200
Speaker 1: you you sound optimistic, but uh, this is not the

567
00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:03,520
Speaker 1: same guy he was three two or three years ago.

568
00:29:03,560 --> 00:29:04,920
Speaker 1: He was like an m v P. Yeah, I mean,

569
00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:07,040
Speaker 1: but I think if Joe l is that guy, he

570
00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:09,680
Speaker 1: continues to approve that. I don't think James needs to

571
00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:12,080
Speaker 1: be the Houston guy. I just think that he needs to,

572
00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:15,520
Speaker 1: um be a guy that can stay just as effective

573
00:29:15,560 --> 00:29:19,760
Speaker 1: as he was and make those timely shots and timely plays.

574
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Speaker 1: I think that's what it's going to be. Can he

575
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Speaker 1: take over the fourth quarter? I don't think you need

576
00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:25,440
Speaker 1: to take over games, because that's what Joe ls for.

577
00:29:25,840 --> 00:29:27,600
Speaker 1: But I do think that there's times where in the

578
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Speaker 1: fourth quarters that he has to come out and he

579
00:29:30,080 --> 00:29:32,280
Speaker 1: has to dominate and be that guy that that can

580
00:29:32,320 --> 00:29:35,400
Speaker 1: somewhat be a closer at times. That's what I do

581
00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:38,960
Speaker 1: want that. That's a great point about taking over in

582
00:29:39,040 --> 00:29:42,520
Speaker 1: the fourth I just wonder though, you know, he had

583
00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:45,080
Speaker 1: played with Dwight Howard in Houston. Didn't that didn't work out?

584
00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:48,080
Speaker 1: He thrived with these rim running centers, like the Clint

585
00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:51,480
Speaker 1: Capella types, and then now he's playing with him beating

586
00:29:51,520 --> 00:29:53,680
Speaker 1: and he's older. Is this like, can you teach an

587
00:29:53,760 --> 00:29:56,720
Speaker 1: old dog new tricks? Like? Can you say to James

588
00:29:56,760 --> 00:29:59,600
Speaker 1: Harden at this point, Hey, James, we know what you

589
00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:02,240
Speaker 1: were dominant in Houston. You I think lad the league

590
00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:04,760
Speaker 1: in dribbles and average seconds with the ball in your hands.

591
00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:07,160
Speaker 1: Can you just not do that anymore? We've got other

592
00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:10,000
Speaker 1: guys like Maxie and Harris and Beid. Can you just

593
00:30:10,080 --> 00:30:12,160
Speaker 1: find your spots? Like? Is that something hard and can

594
00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:13,840
Speaker 1: learn to do at this age? Well? I think that

595
00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:16,640
Speaker 1: he can I think that, in my opinion, if Doc

596
00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:19,120
Speaker 1: can maybe keep him off the ball a little more,

597
00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:22,280
Speaker 1: maybe when at times that Maxie can be the primary

598
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Speaker 1: ball handler. I think that's the way you can look

599
00:30:24,600 --> 00:30:26,880
Speaker 1: at it. And at the same time, I think James,

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Speaker 1: if if there was one thing I wish that I

601
00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:32,400
Speaker 1: could change with him, is that he would take more

602
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Speaker 1: catching shoot shots, um. And I think that that will

603
00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:39,080
Speaker 1: kind of help because guys gonna still play James no

604
00:30:39,080 --> 00:30:41,240
Speaker 1: matter whether they're gonna still give him the attention, but

605
00:30:41,320 --> 00:30:44,280
Speaker 1: the catching shoot shots will um allow of guys to

606
00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:45,959
Speaker 1: play him differently. I think a lot of times can

607
00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:48,600
Speaker 1: pass those shots up and guys kind of played him

608
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Speaker 1: that way and they were able to stay in front

609
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Speaker 1: of him. So if he you know, I think if

610
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Speaker 1: that's maybe one of just what we can make And um,

611
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Speaker 1: if he's not a primary ball handler now he can

612
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Speaker 1: maybe a just and doing some of those things where

613
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Speaker 1: he don't feel like he has to be the ball

614
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Speaker 1: dominant guy. Yeah, I mean that sounds good in theory. Eric,

615
00:31:06,360 --> 00:31:08,680
Speaker 1: I just wonder if not the same player, but it

616
00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:11,520
Speaker 1: almost sounds like they're Kevin loving him, like hey, go

617
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Speaker 1: sit in the corner off the ball and catching shoot three. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean, I know, I don't. I don't think that

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Speaker 1: he'll you kept loving him because he's still going to

620
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Speaker 1: be the primary ball handler. I'm just saying I think

621
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Speaker 1: that there's times when MAXI should be the primary ball handle.

622
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Speaker 1: I think ultimately James is that guy. But if you're

623
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Speaker 1: saying but, but at the same time, we can't say

624
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Speaker 1: Joe Well is the number one option and then say

625
00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:37,479
Speaker 1: that James is going to dominate the ball. Eventually Joel

626
00:31:37,560 --> 00:31:39,440
Speaker 1: is going to have to have the basketball, which means

627
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Speaker 1: that he's going to be on the perimeter, catching and

628
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Speaker 1: shooting or catching and driving. So, um, that's what I'm

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Speaker 1: saying that that's the to me, that's the adjustment is that, um,

630
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Speaker 1: Joel is the true number one option. If James is

631
00:31:54,120 --> 00:31:56,680
Speaker 1: not the true number one option, how else can he

632
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Speaker 1: be effective other than coming down and trebling and making

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Speaker 1: you see a little of the Westbrook situation? Just a

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Speaker 1: little in Hardens in that Russ has always been ball

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Speaker 1: dominant point garden o'ksey used to have the ball and

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Speaker 1: then he gets to l A and he's like, he

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Speaker 1: doesn't have the ball. And I think he said one

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Speaker 1: of the like the fewest screens in the league last year,

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Speaker 1: or some absurd stat like off the ball. He just

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Speaker 1: doesn't know what to do without the ball in his hands.

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Speaker 1: I don't, I don't, I don't. I don't think it's

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Speaker 1: a Rust doesn't know how to do as much as

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Speaker 1: it is UM. He doesn't know how to be you know,

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Speaker 1: maybe how they use them. So is it up the rust?

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Speaker 1: What do you like? Rust doesn't know Like Rust knows

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Speaker 1: how to play basketball. It's just that you have a

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Speaker 1: ball dominant guy like you are, UM, And if you

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Speaker 1: move into the perimeter, Um, you came in some in

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Speaker 1: some ways you can't expect the same result. So I

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Speaker 1: think that UM, you know, it's confidence actually has to grow. UM.

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Speaker 1: But if he's if they're going to have him standing

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Speaker 1: out there and shooting threes, UM, get to the point

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Speaker 1: where whichever three is your best three, get to that

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Speaker 1: spot every time. I mean, I've seen guys do it.

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Speaker 1: If you're gonna shoot threes, maybe just you know, be

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Speaker 1: a corner three. But most point guards that aren't great shooters,

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Speaker 1: like myself, didn't really like even though it's closer, you

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Speaker 1: don't really like the view of being in the corner.

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Speaker 1: That's that's sort of a different shot, even though it's closer.

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Speaker 1: So I just think he needs to kind of find

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Speaker 1: when he's off the ball, what's his best shot, which

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Speaker 1: location is best shot, and try to get to that point.

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Speaker 1: And at the same time, I think that maybe you know,

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Speaker 1: all the minutes that Lebron is off, he's one. So

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Speaker 1: that's that's another way to kind of make to making

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Speaker 1: sure he's kind of, um having as much of a

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Speaker 1: you know, primary ball handler with Lebron not in the game.

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Speaker 1: I think that's a way of kind of hopefully him

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Speaker 1: can do something like that. That's a way of kind

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Speaker 1: of giving him the ball and giving him getting him

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Speaker 1: a rhythm. I think if he gets a rhythm with

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Speaker 1: the ball, I think he'll make more shots. I love that,

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Speaker 1: but that probably means Russ is coming off the bench,

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Speaker 1: and that's something not necessarily I think. I think that,

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Speaker 1: you know, Russ has to make sacrifice, but I think

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Speaker 1: Lebron does too. Um, if if they wanted to make

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Speaker 1: it if they want to make it work. UM. So

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Speaker 1: you know, obviously Lebron wants the ball as well, so

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Speaker 1: I think Lebron would have to do a little more

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Speaker 1: off the ball as well if they wanted to work.

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Speaker 1: I think that you kind of give a little more, um,

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Speaker 1: because they're both great players and they both can make

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Speaker 1: it work. I just think that it has to be

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Speaker 1: a little fine balance. And I think how you give

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Speaker 1: you up the minutes and playing time, um, and trying

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Speaker 1: to split it up so they're not both primary ball

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Speaker 1: handlers end at the same time, and people have done

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Speaker 1: that before. You kind of split it up a little

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Speaker 1: more stacked minutes a little more, But I don't think

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Speaker 1: a guy has to move to the bench for that

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Speaker 1: to happen. All Right, We can wrap up Eric with

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Speaker 1: uh a talk about a topic that we obviously we love.

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Speaker 1: You know, if you do any TV radio podcast, you

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Speaker 1: love this topic. It's the Jordan Lebron one. And you're

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Speaker 1: one of those players who actually played against Jordan's in

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Speaker 1: I believe the nine finals with Seattle, and then you

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Speaker 1: played with Lebron right in the in the OH seven finals.

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Speaker 1: I get that correct, Yes, that is so you got

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Speaker 1: to see Jordan up close when you were young. What

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Speaker 1: do you anything that jumps out off the page that

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Speaker 1: you you know, tell the grandkids about. From the ninety

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Speaker 1: six finals Seattle, I think was down three oh then

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Speaker 1: they want to and end up losing four two. I mean,

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Speaker 1: and think about like when I played him Jay, he

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Speaker 1: was really good and so effective and that was the

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Speaker 1: back end of his career. Yeah, um, so I was

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Speaker 1: towards the end, and then Lebron I played with him

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Speaker 1: at the beginning of his career. So um. The one

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Speaker 1: thing I know about m is like when people would

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Speaker 1: say he's the best, see why. Um, when I played

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Speaker 1: with Lebron, we used to always say, young fella, that

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Speaker 1: has a chance. And all that meant was he has

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Speaker 1: the chance to be one of the best to ever play.

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Speaker 1: And you could see it instantly, Like because because they

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Speaker 1: have so many things that you can't really teach and

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Speaker 1: you can't learn either you got it or you don't.

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Speaker 1: So I don't really get into a debate of who's

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Speaker 1: the best between the two because there's so many great players. Um.

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Speaker 1: Dr j was my favorite player growing up. Made Johnson

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Speaker 1: is who you know, madam, especially being a Spartan and

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Speaker 1: playing my position, So I really don't get into, you know,

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Speaker 1: talking about who's who, because things are different. Things are,

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Speaker 1: you know, such a different situations. I just think that

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Speaker 1: if you if you got a table and you put

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Speaker 1: your grades out there, I think they're both gonna be

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Speaker 1: on there. I think the ways around it are. And again,

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Speaker 1: you played in the league in the nineties, and you know,

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Speaker 1: you played in the league when Lebron was coming up.

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Speaker 1: I think undeniably Lebron played in a much tougher era

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Speaker 1: given the international scope of basketball. Now you've got m

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Speaker 1: v p s and YO kids, Janice Luca don Chech.

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Speaker 1: Just putting up a historical stuff, I would say, and

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Speaker 1: there's a lot of evidence it supports it that the

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Speaker 1: NBA is deeper and stronger than it is now than

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Speaker 1: it was in the nineties. I mean, you can say that,

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Speaker 1: but I don't. I think that it's different because the

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Speaker 1: brand of basketball, Um, the molo possessions, people playing, the

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Speaker 1: way you had to play, and the reason why their

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Speaker 1: possessions were smaller because it was so hard to score,

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Speaker 1: so you had to make sure that you had to

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Speaker 1: get better shots and um. But I think that the

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Speaker 1: international game has helped. But but I do think that

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Speaker 1: it's it's a lot of players that played in the

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Speaker 1: nineties and played in the other areas that people don't

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Speaker 1: realize how good they were, because you you can't just

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Speaker 1: look at a statistic and say, well, a guy had

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Speaker 1: these stats and compare it to a guy who played

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Speaker 1: in the eighties and nineties and compare the stats with

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Speaker 1: the game being different. Um. I just think that there's

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Speaker 1: there's a lot of guys that were really, really good

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Speaker 1: that people don't kind of give the credit too for

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Speaker 1: being being theiss. I mean, you got a guy like Toss,

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Speaker 1: the guy out there just oh yeah, come on, he

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Speaker 1: was on the Olympic team. I know what he is,

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Speaker 1: but people you don't hear people talk about him. When

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Speaker 1: they say top two guards to ever play, his name

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Speaker 1: never comes up. Well, I guess probably the argument I

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Speaker 1: don't think he want to chip uh did he? Well,

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Speaker 1: that's right with Elijah one? Um or was it ninety

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Speaker 1: for one of those. I'm just saying, you look, you

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Speaker 1: look at his career from Houston to in the pros,

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Speaker 1: in college and then in the pros, and then people

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Speaker 1: will put the Wade and all these other guys ahead

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Speaker 1: of him, and I guarantee it. I don't even know

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Speaker 1: for certain, I guarantee you his numbers are very similar

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Speaker 1: to the White Bands. Interesting, I guarantee you they're very similar. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: So he was first team All NBA once, All NBA

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Speaker 1: twice on the second team. Yeah. Look, he had a

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Speaker 1: great career. He was an awesome player. But so you

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Speaker 1: think he's right there on are with the Dwayne Wade. Yeah. Interesting,

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Speaker 1: I had not even considered that. That's what I'm saying.

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Speaker 1: So I think this guy and and and the way

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Speaker 1: wait is incredible. But I think Clyd Drexel. That's what

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Speaker 1: I'm saying. I think there was guys that played that

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Speaker 1: people don't realize how good they were. Um. And and

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Speaker 1: because now you look at the numbers that these guys

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Speaker 1: are putting up like it's crazy. Um but the game

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Speaker 1: has allowed that the freedom of movement the game. I

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Speaker 1: think if a lot of those guys played with the

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Speaker 1: freedom of movement, you would have seen increased numbers as well. Um.

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Speaker 1: But that I do think these guys now are incredible.

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Speaker 1: And I just and I know for a fact those

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Speaker 1: guys that that played before we're incredible too. Uh Oh,

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Speaker 1: I forgot the defense is probably one that separates. Wait

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Speaker 1: a little bit. He was All Defense three times. Drexler

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Speaker 1: never was the vote. Look, I had one. I had

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Speaker 1: more votes than AI for All Defensive team one time.

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Speaker 1: I should tell you about the voting to all the

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Speaker 1: Oh well, I used to laugh about it because he

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Speaker 1: used to always get more votes than me on All Defense.

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Speaker 1: So I don't put much of weight into All Defense.

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Speaker 1: That okay. That leads to a good question, Eric, So

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Speaker 1: what how do you what? What do you put weight in? No,

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Speaker 1: I'm saying I don't put much vote into me, much

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Speaker 1: weight into the voting for the All defensive team. It

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Speaker 1: can be spotty, okay, because, for instance, a guy like

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Speaker 1: Isaiah Thomas, I don't think he's ever had like a

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Speaker 1: top three m v P vote the point guard from

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Speaker 1: the Pistons. And meanwhile Steph Curry with two m vps

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Speaker 1: are unanimous, the only unanimous MVP. But you've got to

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Speaker 1: also consider a lot of people didn't like I said,

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Speaker 1: But Michael George didn't like him when you heard what

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Speaker 1: he said. Yeah, that's I'm saying. But that stuff matters.

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Speaker 1: That matters when you get into voting. That's why you know,

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Speaker 1: guys don't make all Star teams and on other stuff

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Speaker 1: and all like it. People have personal vindennas, and that's

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Speaker 1: if you think that doesn't matter and you're kid yourself. No, No,

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Speaker 1: that's a good that's a good point. Um. Back to

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Speaker 1: Lebron Jordan. The other thing that I've kind of said

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Speaker 1: that I think is the best way to sum up

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Speaker 1: Lebron and Jordan's I would rather have Lebron for the

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Speaker 1: first forty seven minutes, and I would have Jordan for

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Speaker 1: the final minute because he was super clutch. But Lebron

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Speaker 1: made everyone else better, great rebounder because of his size,

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Speaker 1: great passer, and you know Jordan in the final minute

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Speaker 1: is gonna lock you down and score the game. Something

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Speaker 1: you can get with her now. I mean some people

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Speaker 1: could say, well, I'd rather have Jordan before because you

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Speaker 1: wouldn't have to worry about the last minute. You look

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Speaker 1: at it. I guess you could say that if you wanted. So, So,

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Speaker 1: what's the best seven in the finals. It's slightly weaker, era,

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Speaker 1: I mean, that's your first opinion, That's what I'm saying. Said,

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Speaker 1: it's slightly weaker. Slightly weaker. How like, well, what would

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Speaker 1: would you agree with me that the league is deeper

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Speaker 1: now like in the nineties, remember like you know, Magic

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Speaker 1: played Jordan's first Let me let me give you an example.

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Speaker 1: So Go to State. When Go to State won their championships,

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Speaker 1: what team did you look out and be like fIF team? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: so when when they made their they made their run.

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Speaker 1: What late teen did you say that team has a

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Speaker 1: chance to beat Golden State? Uh? Well, in fifteen, I

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Speaker 1: think they just steam. And I'm just saying in any

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Speaker 1: in any year that they went to the finals, what

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Speaker 1: year did you come in and say, I think they'll

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Speaker 1: be Golden State? No, nobody else. Um, I'm trying to

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Speaker 1: hold on one second. Seventy three win team was favored,

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Speaker 1: The team with Durant was favored. Although Lebron and Kyrie,

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Speaker 1: that team was historically great, that Calvs team all day,

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Speaker 1: But you didn't did you look at them and say,

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Speaker 1: I think they can beat Go to State. I'm a

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Speaker 1: Curry guy, so I don't think they're ever That's what

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Speaker 1: I'm saying. So, but you're saying the arrow is so tough.

847
00:42:37,440 --> 00:42:38,840
Speaker 1: But you can't sit up here and say it was

848
00:42:38,840 --> 00:42:42,160
Speaker 1: the multiple teams that were expecting to win. Well, the

849
00:42:42,160 --> 00:42:45,160
Speaker 1: the super team era obviously much tougher than the non

850
00:42:45,200 --> 00:42:47,920
Speaker 1: super team Arrow. Right, but you said the Arrow has

851
00:42:47,960 --> 00:42:50,400
Speaker 1: so many tough teams, had way tougher teams. That's what

852
00:42:50,480 --> 00:42:55,040
Speaker 1: you said. Yeah, but where the super team era? Well yeah,

853
00:42:55,040 --> 00:42:59,399
Speaker 1: but I'm just saying Lebron's heat. Yeah, but you're you're

854
00:42:59,400 --> 00:43:02,160
Speaker 1: going from Ye, it's a year I'm talking about in

855
00:43:02,239 --> 00:43:06,920
Speaker 1: a particular season, right, Well, the Warriors also built a

856
00:43:06,920 --> 00:43:10,000
Speaker 1: super team to take down the super team well of Love,

857
00:43:10,600 --> 00:43:13,600
Speaker 1: Lebron and Kyra. So so that's all I'm saying is

858
00:43:13,640 --> 00:43:17,640
Speaker 1: when like when the Bulls were had their run, then

859
00:43:17,880 --> 00:43:21,040
Speaker 1: Spurs had their run, Lakers had their run, Pistons had

860
00:43:21,040 --> 00:43:23,839
Speaker 1: their run, Lakers had their run, Boston had their run.

861
00:43:24,239 --> 00:43:28,480
Speaker 1: That's the same thing. That's no, that's a good point.

862
00:43:28,640 --> 00:43:30,600
Speaker 1: We're not talked about this. So the Lakers were great

863
00:43:30,600 --> 00:43:32,560
Speaker 1: in the eighties and by the nineties they were toast.

864
00:43:32,760 --> 00:43:35,600
Speaker 1: Magic retired early. The Pistons went to three straight finals

865
00:43:35,920 --> 00:43:38,880
Speaker 1: and that team broke basically broke down. Isaiah retired like

866
00:43:38,880 --> 00:43:42,640
Speaker 1: two years later. So you know, Jordans really got destroyed

867
00:43:42,680 --> 00:43:44,719
Speaker 1: by the Pistons in the playoffs until he finally beat

868
00:43:44,719 --> 00:43:47,080
Speaker 1: them the last time. I don't think he ever knocked

869
00:43:47,080 --> 00:43:49,480
Speaker 1: off the Celtics and Bird in the playoffs and they

870
00:43:49,520 --> 00:43:51,520
Speaker 1: only beat Magic once. You know, they beat a lot

871
00:43:51,520 --> 00:43:53,520
Speaker 1: of like Nicks, who I love the Knicks growing up,

872
00:43:53,520 --> 00:43:55,719
Speaker 1: and they ripped my heart out several times. And you

873
00:43:55,760 --> 00:43:58,960
Speaker 1: could argue, you know, Jordan didn't really defeat any great

874
00:43:59,040 --> 00:44:01,760
Speaker 1: teams en route to the finals. I mean, your Sonics

875
00:44:01,760 --> 00:44:04,360
Speaker 1: team was good, and some would say maybe the second

876
00:44:04,360 --> 00:44:06,279
Speaker 1: best after the Jazz, because Jordan was favorite in the

877
00:44:06,280 --> 00:44:08,840
Speaker 1: finals I think all six years. So so that's what

878
00:44:08,840 --> 00:44:11,800
Speaker 1: I'm saying. So you you think Barkeley and Phoenix wasn't good,

879
00:44:12,120 --> 00:44:17,960
Speaker 1: Barley was good. M V p um. Yeah, the Jazz,

880
00:44:18,000 --> 00:44:20,839
Speaker 1: I mean, if you underrate the Jazz, that's that's how

881
00:44:20,880 --> 00:44:22,839
Speaker 1: I know you. If you don't think the Jazz were good,

882
00:44:22,840 --> 00:44:26,120
Speaker 1: then that's they were good. But they were never uh

883
00:44:26,360 --> 00:44:28,000
Speaker 1: they were I don't think they were ever favorites to

884
00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:31,040
Speaker 1: win the championship at any point. That's that's you. You've

885
00:44:31,040 --> 00:44:33,520
Speaker 1: proved the up point. They weren't favorite. The Bulls are favorite,

886
00:44:33,719 --> 00:44:35,960
Speaker 1: just like Go to State was favorite, just like the

887
00:44:36,040 --> 00:44:39,680
Speaker 1: Lakers favorite the Spurs. So I'm just saying, like, who

888
00:44:39,719 --> 00:44:42,799
Speaker 1: do you got? It's all the same eras like each era,

889
00:44:43,239 --> 00:44:45,080
Speaker 1: they had the top team in the top one of

890
00:44:45,080 --> 00:44:48,040
Speaker 1: the top teams that were favorite. But to say that

891
00:44:49,000 --> 00:44:51,440
Speaker 1: like that era was different when you even like in

892
00:44:51,480 --> 00:44:55,200
Speaker 1: the eighties before me, you had the Celtics and the

893
00:44:55,280 --> 00:44:59,399
Speaker 1: Lakers win in championship. So that's two teams right there,

894
00:44:59,400 --> 00:45:03,200
Speaker 1: like Bird got three, Magic got five. Yeah, they I

895
00:45:03,200 --> 00:45:05,319
Speaker 1: mean they dominated the AA. That's the whole that's the

896
00:45:05,360 --> 00:45:08,279
Speaker 1: whole era. Nobody else. Yeah, So I'm just saying, so,

897
00:45:08,360 --> 00:45:11,080
Speaker 1: how can you know the teams, Like, I just want

898
00:45:11,080 --> 00:45:13,280
Speaker 1: to understand how you can just say teams are tougher.

899
00:45:13,320 --> 00:45:16,640
Speaker 1: I just think it's it's hard to win a championship.

900
00:45:16,880 --> 00:45:20,200
Speaker 1: It is very hard hard. I mean, Kawhi Leonard goes

901
00:45:20,239 --> 00:45:23,600
Speaker 1: to the Raptors. You know, would you say k d

902
00:45:23,800 --> 00:45:26,360
Speaker 1: gets injured, played like what fifteen minutes in the series

903
00:45:26,440 --> 00:45:29,200
Speaker 1: or something, Clay goes down in Game six, Like, Raptors

904
00:45:29,200 --> 00:45:31,440
Speaker 1: have a championship. But does anybody really think they were

905
00:45:31,440 --> 00:45:34,239
Speaker 1: the better team than the Warriors that year? I think

906
00:45:34,280 --> 00:45:36,440
Speaker 1: if the best, Yeah, I believe that. I mean I

907
00:45:36,440 --> 00:45:39,080
Speaker 1: don't think anybody doesn't believe that go to stay healthy

908
00:45:39,480 --> 00:45:42,400
Speaker 1: was the better team. Um, but Toronto still want it.

909
00:45:42,960 --> 00:45:46,080
Speaker 1: And then you know last year, the Bucks, like, you know,

910
00:45:46,239 --> 00:45:48,120
Speaker 1: where where do they go down? Are they a super

911
00:45:48,160 --> 00:45:51,120
Speaker 1: team with Holiday and Middleton who were not drafted by

912
00:45:51,120 --> 00:45:55,040
Speaker 1: the team championship just like the Pistons. I mean, I

913
00:45:55,040 --> 00:45:58,279
Speaker 1: wouldn't necessarily call them, you know, a super team. I don't.

914
00:45:58,280 --> 00:46:00,080
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't get into the super team. But

915
00:46:00,080 --> 00:46:02,319
Speaker 1: if a team wins the championship, they're a championship team.

916
00:46:02,360 --> 00:46:04,839
Speaker 1: That's what they are. It doesn't really matter what they're

917
00:46:04,840 --> 00:46:07,279
Speaker 1: a super team. They are a championship team. They've proven it,

918
00:46:07,520 --> 00:46:09,279
Speaker 1: they've wanted and they got it done, so that's what

919
00:46:09,320 --> 00:46:12,600
Speaker 1: they are. I mean, Isaiah Thomas went to three straight finals,

920
00:46:12,640 --> 00:46:15,680
Speaker 1: like Janice one finals appearance, you know, like he's still young,

921
00:46:15,760 --> 00:46:17,600
Speaker 1: He's got a long way to go. But I don't

922
00:46:17,600 --> 00:46:19,719
Speaker 1: know that this Bucks team last year was as good

923
00:46:19,719 --> 00:46:21,319
Speaker 1: as like the Pistons, do you I mean they went

924
00:46:21,360 --> 00:46:23,840
Speaker 1: back to back. No, I'm not saying that they're as

925
00:46:23,880 --> 00:46:26,400
Speaker 1: good as anybody, but I'm just saying, like the Pistons

926
00:46:26,880 --> 00:46:29,239
Speaker 1: had that run, but they got one championship. So if

927
00:46:29,239 --> 00:46:32,160
Speaker 1: they didn't win that one, will we say there wouldn't

928
00:46:32,200 --> 00:46:35,120
Speaker 1: make him any worse. They were really good and they wanted.

929
00:46:35,280 --> 00:46:36,719
Speaker 1: I thought I thought they had gone back to back,

930
00:46:36,760 --> 00:46:38,200
Speaker 1: I would have to call they didn't go to the

931
00:46:38,200 --> 00:46:40,520
Speaker 1: finals back to that, but they wanted once they want

932
00:46:40,560 --> 00:46:44,200
Speaker 1: and then they lost in that cheer. For some reason,

933
00:46:44,239 --> 00:46:47,799
Speaker 1: I thought they, Oh, you're thinking of the Pistons. Okay,

934
00:46:47,840 --> 00:46:51,719
Speaker 1: I was thinking not not not yeah, no, no no, no,

935
00:46:51,920 --> 00:46:53,600
Speaker 1: Well I'm in agreement with you that that Pistons he

936
00:46:53,800 --> 00:46:57,279
Speaker 1: was not great. Um what about the Spurs dynasty? I

937
00:46:57,320 --> 00:47:00,600
Speaker 1: think five championship trips in like fifteen year or something

938
00:47:00,680 --> 00:47:07,440
Speaker 1: like that. Is that? Wow? Very fortuitous for Popovitch to

939
00:47:07,440 --> 00:47:09,360
Speaker 1: get Tim Duncan. But all right, Eric, we've kept your

940
00:47:09,360 --> 00:47:11,200
Speaker 1: way too long. We we had a I know you

941
00:47:11,200 --> 00:47:13,960
Speaker 1: had a heart out, but hey, man, I love chopping

942
00:47:14,000 --> 00:47:15,680
Speaker 1: up the NBA. If you're ever in l A, you

943
00:47:15,719 --> 00:47:17,400
Speaker 1: know we should we should, uh get you out to

944
00:47:17,520 --> 00:47:19,600
Speaker 1: FS one and come on. It's a lot of fun

945
00:47:20,000 --> 00:47:22,080
Speaker 1: and uh, you know, congrats on a great career, especially

946
00:47:22,120 --> 00:47:24,560
Speaker 1: in Michigan state as well. Definitely appreciate it. Thank you,

947
00:47:24,600 --> 00:47:29,200
Speaker 1: all right, man, have a great one. The only thing

948
00:47:29,280 --> 00:47:33,080
Speaker 1: better than sitting on your couch watching the game. He's

949
00:47:33,200 --> 00:47:36,680
Speaker 1: making money while you do it. Here's your best bat

950
00:47:38,560 --> 00:47:42,000
Speaker 1: good stuff from Eric snow former all defensive player shared

951
00:47:42,040 --> 00:47:46,560
Speaker 1: a backcourt with Allen Iverson and I mentioned to a

952
00:47:46,600 --> 00:47:50,919
Speaker 1: couple of Philly fans that I know who lived near me, Um, oh, hey, guys,

953
00:47:50,960 --> 00:47:52,480
Speaker 1: I got Eric Snow coming up on the box and

954
00:47:52,520 --> 00:47:57,759
Speaker 1: they're like, oh, Eric Snow, yeah, a solid player. And instantly,

955
00:47:58,360 --> 00:48:02,120
Speaker 1: instantly I asked them what is Eric snowan today's NBA?

956
00:48:03,239 --> 00:48:06,920
Speaker 1: And they go, whoa, He wasn't really a shooter, just

957
00:48:06,960 --> 00:48:11,440
Speaker 1: a defensive kind of guy. Is he Patrick Beverley? Could he?

958
00:48:11,480 --> 00:48:15,680
Speaker 1: Could he be a Patrick Beverlely type player? Um? What

959
00:48:15,680 --> 00:48:17,440
Speaker 1: what is he? Is he a starting point guard? Is

960
00:48:17,440 --> 00:48:21,759
Speaker 1: he a backup like a Tony Allen type defender? I

961
00:48:21,760 --> 00:48:23,680
Speaker 1: don't know what he is. But Eric Snow had a

962
00:48:23,680 --> 00:48:27,359
Speaker 1: long and productive career in the NBA, and the whole

963
00:48:27,440 --> 00:48:30,160
Speaker 1: like what is he? Is tough because it's like, well,

964
00:48:30,640 --> 00:48:32,840
Speaker 1: if he was transplanted to now he would have to shoot.

965
00:48:32,840 --> 00:48:34,520
Speaker 1: They didn't want him shooting, as he said on the pot.

966
00:48:34,520 --> 00:48:37,319
Speaker 1: And the guy made fifty one million UM according to

967
00:48:37,600 --> 00:48:42,239
Speaker 1: Basketball Reference. Obviously at taxes and agent and stuff and um.

968
00:48:42,360 --> 00:48:45,960
Speaker 1: But that's just a big, big picture view on him.

969
00:48:46,040 --> 00:48:49,839
Speaker 1: He made His biggest paycheck was his two thousand nine

970
00:48:49,880 --> 00:48:55,600
Speaker 1: with the Calves when yeah, well his last season was

971
00:48:55,640 --> 00:48:57,440
Speaker 1: two thousand seven, two thousand eight. But you know how

972
00:48:57,440 --> 00:48:59,600
Speaker 1: the salary cap works. You can make money even when

973
00:48:59,600 --> 00:49:02,960
Speaker 1: you're not playing because contracts are guaranteed at any rate.

974
00:49:03,280 --> 00:49:05,280
Speaker 1: Let's get to the best bets for tonight, and folks,

975
00:49:06,120 --> 00:49:08,239
Speaker 1: Warriors are favored by three and a half. This is

976
00:49:08,280 --> 00:49:11,319
Speaker 1: a tough read. I would as everybody's already reminded you.

977
00:49:11,560 --> 00:49:15,680
Speaker 1: Surely Boston has not lost back to back games in

978
00:49:15,680 --> 00:49:21,319
Speaker 1: the playoffs. Did the Warriors figure anything out in Game four?

979
00:49:21,440 --> 00:49:27,480
Speaker 1: Or did Steph Curry just go volcanic in TD Bank

980
00:49:27,680 --> 00:49:30,719
Speaker 1: or TV Garden or whatever it's called. That's a tough one.

981
00:49:30,760 --> 00:49:32,680
Speaker 1: This is a very tough one to bet. I went

982
00:49:32,760 --> 00:49:34,640
Speaker 1: three and o with the bets that I gave out

983
00:49:34,640 --> 00:49:38,319
Speaker 1: on Fox FO Game four Game five is a tough one.

984
00:49:38,920 --> 00:49:42,319
Speaker 1: I would like to bet the under. But again, the

985
00:49:42,480 --> 00:49:45,799
Speaker 1: zigzag theory says, well, Boston's last time they scored eighty

986
00:49:45,800 --> 00:49:48,080
Speaker 1: eight points in Game two, what do they do in

987
00:49:48,280 --> 00:49:50,600
Speaker 1: bouncing back at home? They were awesome. Well, now they're

988
00:49:50,600 --> 00:49:53,279
Speaker 1: going on the road, Jay, And this is where I

989
00:49:53,360 --> 00:49:56,399
Speaker 1: do think there's an edge for the Warriors. It used

990
00:49:56,440 --> 00:49:59,160
Speaker 1: to be too three two right, the format for the

991
00:49:59,200 --> 00:50:04,759
Speaker 1: finals now to to the travel is going to catch

992
00:50:04,880 --> 00:50:07,520
Speaker 1: up to some people. The Warriors are used to this,

993
00:50:07,560 --> 00:50:09,439
Speaker 1: they've been, They've been in the finals of to Ton.

994
00:50:10,520 --> 00:50:13,360
Speaker 1: Are they gonna be worn down? I personally don't think so.

995
00:50:13,480 --> 00:50:15,319
Speaker 1: I do think the travel will impact a guy like

996
00:50:16,480 --> 00:50:20,279
Speaker 1: Eric will I'm not Eric Williams um Al Horford, the

997
00:50:20,320 --> 00:50:23,880
Speaker 1: big guy who's now thirty six years old. And really

998
00:50:23,920 --> 00:50:27,640
Speaker 1: have we heard from Al Horford since that Game one eruption? Like?

999
00:50:27,760 --> 00:50:31,920
Speaker 1: What has he done? Answer? Pretty much nothing? Remember in

1000
00:50:31,960 --> 00:50:35,160
Speaker 1: Game one he had like a career game when absolutely

1001
00:50:35,200 --> 00:50:38,480
Speaker 1: bonkers from three, like literally a career game, and he

1002
00:50:38,520 --> 00:50:41,080
Speaker 1: hasn't really done anything since. Now. They did have the

1003
00:50:41,120 --> 00:50:44,839
Speaker 1: extra day arrest. I get that, but since since then,

1004
00:50:45,680 --> 00:50:47,400
Speaker 1: Al Horford has not really been a factor. Do you

1005
00:50:47,520 --> 00:50:51,400
Speaker 1: do you bet against Al Horford here to to not

1006
00:50:51,480 --> 00:50:53,040
Speaker 1: have a good game. I mean, I'm looking at his

1007
00:50:53,080 --> 00:50:57,800
Speaker 1: game log. Al Horford twenty six points in the opener,

1008
00:50:58,280 --> 00:51:04,759
Speaker 1: last three games combined twenty one, Like, I think you've

1009
00:51:04,760 --> 00:51:07,760
Speaker 1: gotta take a hard look again. Six threes in the opener,

1010
00:51:09,200 --> 00:51:13,960
Speaker 1: three in the next three games. He's just I don't know, Guys,

1011
00:51:14,320 --> 00:51:17,439
Speaker 1: you could argue as Horford goes the Celtics go because

1012
00:51:17,440 --> 00:51:20,080
Speaker 1: you need that like third fourth score. Game three, he

1013
00:51:20,120 --> 00:51:23,520
Speaker 1: had eleven, eight and six, a solid game. Again, not

1014
00:51:23,719 --> 00:51:26,399
Speaker 1: they didn't need a ton because Jalen Brown went went

1015
00:51:26,400 --> 00:51:29,320
Speaker 1: bonkers and market Smart had a good game and Tatum.

1016
00:51:29,360 --> 00:51:32,520
Speaker 1: But if the Warriors have figured out anything, and if

1017
00:51:32,600 --> 00:51:38,719
Speaker 1: Robert Williams isn't there, I think I think maybe the

1018
00:51:38,760 --> 00:51:41,800
Speaker 1: Warriors take this one. I mean again, my problem in

1019
00:51:41,840 --> 00:51:46,759
Speaker 1: the series is I go ahead versus Heart And you

1020
00:51:46,800 --> 00:51:49,600
Speaker 1: guys know I'm a Curry fan. I like the Warriors.

1021
00:51:50,000 --> 00:51:52,839
Speaker 1: I don't like anything Boston. I do like Tatum, but

1022
00:51:52,880 --> 00:51:55,680
Speaker 1: I don't root for Boston. So I am openly rooting

1023
00:51:55,680 --> 00:52:00,839
Speaker 1: for Golden State to win. I mean, yeah, I can't

1024
00:52:00,880 --> 00:52:03,319
Speaker 1: bet the Celtics here, but I don't know if I

1025
00:52:03,320 --> 00:52:05,920
Speaker 1: can bet Golden States. So then it's like, all right, Jay, well,

1026
00:52:05,920 --> 00:52:08,160
Speaker 1: where can you find an edge? I'm gonna go back

1027
00:52:08,160 --> 00:52:11,880
Speaker 1: to this. I like the Jordan's Pool numbers. Take a

1028
00:52:11,880 --> 00:52:15,200
Speaker 1: look at Jordan pool overs. Three pointers he cleared at

1029
00:52:15,280 --> 00:52:18,239
Speaker 1: last game. He is a heat check guy. They're gonna

1030
00:52:18,239 --> 00:52:20,600
Speaker 1: give him the green light because Gary Payton can't can't.

1031
00:52:20,640 --> 00:52:23,800
Speaker 1: He has no offense for you. Peyton is not a scorer.

1032
00:52:24,200 --> 00:52:27,440
Speaker 1: He's a really, really strong defender. But if Curry is

1033
00:52:27,440 --> 00:52:30,560
Speaker 1: not having a good game, and trust me, Boston is

1034
00:52:30,600 --> 00:52:33,359
Speaker 1: going to change things up on Curry. I mean they

1035
00:52:33,360 --> 00:52:37,320
Speaker 1: have to. There's I mean I would look at overs

1036
00:52:37,400 --> 00:52:39,919
Speaker 1: for either Wiggins or Clay. This could be a Clay

1037
00:52:39,960 --> 00:52:43,960
Speaker 1: game because if if like, what are Boston's options, Like,

1038
00:52:44,040 --> 00:52:46,359
Speaker 1: they can't one guy is not gonna stop Curry. They're

1039
00:52:46,360 --> 00:52:48,000
Speaker 1: doing the same pick and roll high pick and roll

1040
00:52:48,360 --> 00:52:50,960
Speaker 1: with Horford Williams. So what is the move You're gonna

1041
00:52:51,000 --> 00:52:53,680
Speaker 1: have to trap Curry? Well, what does that mean? Someone's

1042
00:52:53,680 --> 00:52:56,879
Speaker 1: gonna be open? It ain't gonna be Draymond Green. It's

1043
00:52:56,880 --> 00:52:59,439
Speaker 1: probably gonna be Wiggins or Clay. They know that they're

1044
00:52:59,440 --> 00:53:03,040
Speaker 1: gonna get up on Well, which of those two guys

1045
00:53:03,040 --> 00:53:07,680
Speaker 1: do you like? And as this continues, I think Jordan's

1046
00:53:07,680 --> 00:53:11,280
Speaker 1: Pool will get minutes. Now. Pool played twenty one minutes

1047
00:53:11,440 --> 00:53:16,200
Speaker 1: in Game four, took thirteen shots. Okay, the guy is

1048
00:53:16,239 --> 00:53:19,240
Speaker 1: gonna get his shots. That's what he does. He's awesome

1049
00:53:19,239 --> 00:53:22,239
Speaker 1: attacking the room, he's great in transition. His minutes have

1050
00:53:22,280 --> 00:53:28,080
Speaker 1: gone and he's taken ten and a half shots per

1051
00:53:28,120 --> 00:53:31,479
Speaker 1: game in barely twenty three minutes, the guy's gonna get

1052
00:53:31,560 --> 00:53:35,080
Speaker 1: his I think Jordan Pool bets are safe, and remember

1053
00:53:35,080 --> 00:53:36,879
Speaker 1: he's a great free throw shooter. Late in the game,

1054
00:53:36,920 --> 00:53:40,200
Speaker 1: he will be on the court um to to ice

1055
00:53:40,280 --> 00:53:42,360
Speaker 1: the game. I know defensively he can be a liability,

1056
00:53:42,360 --> 00:53:45,520
Speaker 1: but again, he played his fewest minutes in the series

1057
00:53:45,880 --> 00:53:50,200
Speaker 1: and took seven threes and thirteen shots. That ain't changing,

1058
00:53:50,320 --> 00:53:52,120
Speaker 1: especially at home where he's gonna play better. So I,

1059
00:53:52,160 --> 00:53:55,640
Speaker 1: like George, I would look at Jordan Pool, Clay and Wiggins.

1060
00:53:56,000 --> 00:53:58,120
Speaker 1: No official bets good check out my I G and

1061
00:53:58,160 --> 00:54:01,759
Speaker 1: Twitter for for the official ones. I'm hoping Game five

1062
00:54:01,840 --> 00:54:03,280
Speaker 1: is a classic. We'll talk to you tomorrow.