1 00:00:02,920 --> 00:00:05,760 Speaker 1: What's it's way you put Angela Yee, I'm Angela Yee, 2 00:00:05,760 --> 00:00:09,039 Speaker 1: And Jazzmine from the Jasmine brand is here, Maino is here, 3 00:00:09,880 --> 00:00:13,040 Speaker 1: look at you doing interviews and Eric Bellinger is here. 4 00:00:13,400 --> 00:00:15,800 Speaker 2: Easy what Eric b in the building? 5 00:00:16,239 --> 00:00:19,720 Speaker 1: Well, thank you for joining us. I think I've only 6 00:00:19,720 --> 00:00:23,360 Speaker 1: had I've had you Wan lip service previously. I believe 7 00:00:23,360 --> 00:00:26,520 Speaker 1: the episode you were on was with Trouble also, right, Trouble. 8 00:00:26,840 --> 00:00:28,720 Speaker 1: He was there, Yeah, Trouble was there. That was a 9 00:00:28,720 --> 00:00:29,520 Speaker 1: wild episode. 10 00:00:30,000 --> 00:00:37,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, I was just listening when I see. 11 00:00:37,880 --> 00:00:39,600 Speaker 1: All right, Well let's get into it because you have 12 00:00:39,720 --> 00:00:42,599 Speaker 1: had really a pretty long career, and I'm sure you've 13 00:00:42,600 --> 00:00:45,160 Speaker 1: seen a lot of artists come and go. Yeah, during 14 00:00:45,200 --> 00:00:47,519 Speaker 1: the time that you first started, what year was like 15 00:00:47,600 --> 00:00:50,199 Speaker 1: the first single or song that you had out in 16 00:00:50,240 --> 00:00:53,440 Speaker 1: a group? In the group Chris was the group. 17 00:00:53,880 --> 00:00:56,480 Speaker 2: Man, that's like two thousand and three. 18 00:00:57,800 --> 00:01:00,600 Speaker 1: See, you can't get how did you come with that name? 19 00:01:00,800 --> 00:01:05,280 Speaker 3: The group was called a New ak and Ulick. 20 00:01:05,560 --> 00:01:06,800 Speaker 2: I never understood. 21 00:01:07,120 --> 00:01:09,000 Speaker 3: I ain't never understood. We were signed the epic, We 22 00:01:09,120 --> 00:01:12,399 Speaker 3: signed Max Goose and it was a vibe. It didn't 23 00:01:12,400 --> 00:01:13,080 Speaker 3: it didn't work out. 24 00:01:13,120 --> 00:01:15,080 Speaker 2: Beat you k broke up. It was tough for armby 25 00:01:15,120 --> 00:01:15,840 Speaker 2: groups at the time. 26 00:01:15,880 --> 00:01:21,080 Speaker 3: Wow, and yeah. After that, I just got into another group, 27 00:01:21,200 --> 00:01:23,080 Speaker 3: and I got into another group. I was like group 28 00:01:23,080 --> 00:01:25,280 Speaker 3: after group, and then twenty ten I was like, I 29 00:01:25,280 --> 00:01:26,480 Speaker 3: gotta just do me. 30 00:01:26,680 --> 00:01:29,959 Speaker 2: So twenty ten you was like, I'm going solo. That's it. 31 00:01:31,080 --> 00:01:32,319 Speaker 1: What are the other groups? 32 00:01:32,560 --> 00:01:33,280 Speaker 2: So you got O. 33 00:01:35,200 --> 00:01:39,200 Speaker 3: And then another one called Avenue Avenue Oe knew, but 34 00:01:39,240 --> 00:01:43,160 Speaker 3: none of the songs never really surface like that, you know. 35 00:01:43,280 --> 00:01:45,800 Speaker 3: It was just like working so long and trying to 36 00:01:45,800 --> 00:01:47,360 Speaker 3: get a deal, and it got a deal and it 37 00:01:47,400 --> 00:01:48,720 Speaker 3: got shelved, and it was just. 38 00:01:48,640 --> 00:01:50,640 Speaker 4: Like were you writing when you were in those groups? 39 00:01:51,240 --> 00:01:53,480 Speaker 2: I was writing. I was engineering for the groups. 40 00:01:53,880 --> 00:01:57,000 Speaker 3: People don't know the struggles of an artist, you know, 41 00:01:57,040 --> 00:02:01,200 Speaker 3: they seated the results of the journey. They don't understand 42 00:02:01,200 --> 00:02:03,600 Speaker 3: the journey. Like you just talked about a whole that's 43 00:02:03,640 --> 00:02:06,520 Speaker 3: like ten years before you even seven years before you 44 00:02:06,560 --> 00:02:10,600 Speaker 3: even went solo, of you going through it, deals, getting shelved, 45 00:02:10,919 --> 00:02:13,120 Speaker 3: you know, expectations, not living it out. 46 00:02:13,160 --> 00:02:13,760 Speaker 2: It's crazy. 47 00:02:13,880 --> 00:02:15,280 Speaker 1: Why did you always want to be in a group 48 00:02:15,320 --> 00:02:17,280 Speaker 1: when you first started. I think that was eas like 49 00:02:17,360 --> 00:02:19,120 Speaker 1: automatically saying let me just go solo. 50 00:02:19,280 --> 00:02:21,080 Speaker 3: I think it was easier like I grew up playing 51 00:02:21,080 --> 00:02:24,920 Speaker 3: football too, so that brotherhood was something like the you 52 00:02:24,919 --> 00:02:26,520 Speaker 3: know what I mean the vibe for me, so like 53 00:02:26,560 --> 00:02:28,959 Speaker 3: when I think group, it was the same energy and 54 00:02:29,040 --> 00:02:32,200 Speaker 3: we got harmonies, we got you know. And then once 55 00:02:32,240 --> 00:02:33,720 Speaker 3: I did it on my own, I was like, man, 56 00:02:33,760 --> 00:02:36,119 Speaker 3: this is night and day. But I liked it more 57 00:02:36,160 --> 00:02:39,160 Speaker 3: because I didn't have to depend on somebody else to 58 00:02:39,240 --> 00:02:41,240 Speaker 3: be one hundred percent for us all to be one 59 00:02:41,320 --> 00:02:42,400 Speaker 3: hundred percent, you know. 60 00:02:42,760 --> 00:02:45,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, because that going solo. So when you finally made 61 00:02:45,639 --> 00:02:48,519 Speaker 1: that leap, Yeah, okay, what made you say okay, forget 62 00:02:48,560 --> 00:02:50,440 Speaker 1: all this other stuff. I'd have been in three groups 63 00:02:50,440 --> 00:02:52,320 Speaker 1: when you finally said I'm gonna do it, What was 64 00:02:52,360 --> 00:02:54,280 Speaker 1: the reason why writing? 65 00:02:54,800 --> 00:02:57,920 Speaker 3: Like I had a passion to write songs for other artists. 66 00:02:57,919 --> 00:03:01,600 Speaker 3: A lot of my friends was getting on like huge artists, 67 00:03:01,600 --> 00:03:04,560 Speaker 3: and I was like and I couldn't go right because 68 00:03:04,560 --> 00:03:06,960 Speaker 3: of the group. It was like, then't want me to 69 00:03:07,200 --> 00:03:09,160 Speaker 3: go outside of it was like, nah, we gotta do 70 00:03:09,200 --> 00:03:10,119 Speaker 3: everything for us. 71 00:03:10,160 --> 00:03:12,640 Speaker 2: And after a while I started getting tired. 72 00:03:12,720 --> 00:03:15,880 Speaker 1: Like I'm doing all this like I feel you got. 73 00:03:15,720 --> 00:03:18,480 Speaker 2: Songs on songs, but it's saying it didn't feel right. 74 00:03:18,520 --> 00:03:20,400 Speaker 4: Who's the first big artist that you wrote for, and 75 00:03:20,400 --> 00:03:21,080 Speaker 4: how did you get that? 76 00:03:21,160 --> 00:03:25,640 Speaker 3: Look, Chris Brown, I got signed to Sony and no 77 00:03:25,800 --> 00:03:28,120 Speaker 3: Usher Usher, Usher was first. I did, let me see first, 78 00:03:28,120 --> 00:03:30,000 Speaker 3: and then everything else kind of trickled down because a 79 00:03:30,000 --> 00:03:31,160 Speaker 3: lot of the artists that I work with. 80 00:03:31,120 --> 00:03:33,160 Speaker 2: After that was signed the RCA as well. 81 00:03:33,480 --> 00:03:35,800 Speaker 3: So Mark Pitts was like, Okay, cool, he killed it 82 00:03:35,840 --> 00:03:38,240 Speaker 3: with Usher, Let's get him with Justin Bieber. Let's get 83 00:03:38,280 --> 00:03:41,240 Speaker 3: him with Chris Brown. And I was knocking him out. 84 00:03:41,280 --> 00:03:43,119 Speaker 3: I was, I was, I was hitting him every time. 85 00:03:43,600 --> 00:03:46,040 Speaker 1: And how was your publishing situation at that time in 86 00:03:46,080 --> 00:03:48,080 Speaker 1: writing and knowing how to charge? I know that was 87 00:03:48,120 --> 00:03:50,080 Speaker 1: a little bit of a that was terrible. 88 00:03:50,680 --> 00:03:55,880 Speaker 2: You gotta go through your your little horror stories low key, 89 00:03:55,920 --> 00:03:56,480 Speaker 2: you know what I mean. 90 00:03:56,560 --> 00:03:59,760 Speaker 3: Like I did a deal and it was the worst deal, 91 00:03:59,800 --> 00:04:02,040 Speaker 3: but I didn't have no placements. I did have no 92 00:04:02,200 --> 00:04:04,480 Speaker 3: songs out. They looked at it like we giving it, 93 00:04:04,840 --> 00:04:07,360 Speaker 3: taking a chance on you. So let's, you know, give 94 00:04:07,400 --> 00:04:10,080 Speaker 3: you this little deal. See what you do. Nine years later, 95 00:04:10,240 --> 00:04:13,520 Speaker 3: twenty nineteen and I finally completed the deal. 96 00:04:13,800 --> 00:04:16,360 Speaker 1: Wow, nine years, nine. 97 00:04:16,200 --> 00:04:18,000 Speaker 2: Years, And you got to understand. 98 00:04:18,040 --> 00:04:20,520 Speaker 3: I was getting placements after placements like a Gang of 99 00:04:21,200 --> 00:04:23,200 Speaker 3: but they was just like, oh, that don't count. Like 100 00:04:23,240 --> 00:04:26,760 Speaker 3: there was fining stipulations like the mdr C or it 101 00:04:26,800 --> 00:04:29,200 Speaker 3: has to be on a single not just on the 102 00:04:29,400 --> 00:04:30,480 Speaker 3: It was so many things. 103 00:04:30,279 --> 00:04:33,360 Speaker 1: In the in the put it out mixtapes. 104 00:04:32,880 --> 00:04:34,760 Speaker 3: And then yeah, if it's a mixtape, it don't count 105 00:04:34,800 --> 00:04:36,719 Speaker 3: as a real album. Like I did my part though, 106 00:04:36,800 --> 00:04:39,640 Speaker 3: like he cut the song, he dropped the song, yeah, 107 00:04:39,680 --> 00:04:40,719 Speaker 3: but it was on a mixtape. 108 00:04:40,760 --> 00:04:41,040 Speaker 2: I'm like. 109 00:04:41,320 --> 00:04:43,360 Speaker 3: It was just so many little things like that that 110 00:04:44,480 --> 00:04:47,280 Speaker 3: I was like, this is crazy because technically I had 111 00:04:47,800 --> 00:04:51,680 Speaker 3: finished recouping like in a year, so I was like 112 00:04:51,839 --> 00:04:54,560 Speaker 3: doing my my quota, but there was like, nah, the 113 00:04:54,640 --> 00:04:56,400 Speaker 3: percentage of the mdr C. 114 00:04:56,680 --> 00:04:57,359 Speaker 4: It's MDRC. 115 00:04:58,080 --> 00:05:01,320 Speaker 3: It's basically when you think about how many percentages, so 116 00:05:01,360 --> 00:05:03,960 Speaker 3: it's one hundred percent of a song, right, say for example, 117 00:05:03,960 --> 00:05:06,440 Speaker 3: I have four hundred percent MDRC is what they call it. 118 00:05:06,480 --> 00:05:09,480 Speaker 3: I had My deal was like one hundred percent four songs. 119 00:05:09,560 --> 00:05:13,960 Speaker 3: But when you break it down, the one song is 120 00:05:14,120 --> 00:05:17,720 Speaker 3: fifty percent producer, fifty percent artist I mean songwriter. So 121 00:05:17,760 --> 00:05:20,400 Speaker 3: now that four songs turns to eight songs. So now 122 00:05:20,480 --> 00:05:22,640 Speaker 3: out of that fifty percent, if there's three co writers, 123 00:05:24,360 --> 00:05:27,120 Speaker 3: you seventeen percent, you know what I mean. So now 124 00:05:27,160 --> 00:05:30,719 Speaker 3: it just keeps getting diluted and diluted once you start 125 00:05:30,920 --> 00:05:33,039 Speaker 3: looking at the fine print on the contract. 126 00:05:33,080 --> 00:05:34,960 Speaker 1: And sometimes when you work with bigger artists, they want 127 00:05:34,960 --> 00:05:38,080 Speaker 1: a bigger percentage too for not writing it right. 128 00:05:39,240 --> 00:05:41,400 Speaker 2: It write nothing. I'm trying to meet. 129 00:05:41,240 --> 00:05:43,720 Speaker 1: My quota right, But you'll be like, look I right 130 00:05:43,800 --> 00:05:46,640 Speaker 1: for this person, Yeah, and take a lower percentage because 131 00:05:46,640 --> 00:05:47,560 Speaker 1: that's a huge Look. 132 00:05:47,640 --> 00:05:48,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what I'm saying. 133 00:05:48,480 --> 00:05:50,599 Speaker 3: Because even with lower percentages, like the money that I 134 00:05:50,640 --> 00:05:54,680 Speaker 3: was great making from the songs, it was it was 135 00:05:54,760 --> 00:05:57,240 Speaker 3: like a lot to the point where they got their 136 00:05:57,480 --> 00:05:58,520 Speaker 3: money back from me. 137 00:05:58,640 --> 00:06:00,560 Speaker 2: So it was like I always had cooped, but it 138 00:06:00,600 --> 00:06:03,440 Speaker 2: was just that the percentage rule with the money. 139 00:06:03,440 --> 00:06:05,799 Speaker 3: But now you know that was that's an old fashioned 140 00:06:05,800 --> 00:06:07,360 Speaker 3: thing that deals don't do that no more. 141 00:06:07,360 --> 00:06:09,320 Speaker 2: It ain't no more M d r C. Most deals 142 00:06:09,400 --> 00:06:10,799 Speaker 2: is just straight recouped. 143 00:06:10,839 --> 00:06:13,040 Speaker 1: So what do you say to younger artists that are 144 00:06:13,120 --> 00:06:16,120 Speaker 1: watching our songwriters that are just getting started like how 145 00:06:16,160 --> 00:06:17,560 Speaker 1: you were, and you might feel like you got to 146 00:06:17,600 --> 00:06:19,479 Speaker 1: pay your dues. I don't have any placements. I don't 147 00:06:19,520 --> 00:06:22,159 Speaker 1: have this, And people do end up signing things because 148 00:06:22,160 --> 00:06:24,159 Speaker 1: they don't feel like they have leverage. What type of 149 00:06:24,160 --> 00:06:25,159 Speaker 1: advice would you give. 150 00:06:25,480 --> 00:06:27,719 Speaker 3: In the beginning, it's low key, like when you start off, 151 00:06:28,000 --> 00:06:30,520 Speaker 3: if you don't want to have a job and do music, 152 00:06:30,839 --> 00:06:33,280 Speaker 3: you lowkey you gotta take what you can because you 153 00:06:33,320 --> 00:06:35,760 Speaker 3: know what I mean, Like people don't really they don't 154 00:06:35,760 --> 00:06:38,000 Speaker 3: want to have no job, like especially now, I don't 155 00:06:38,040 --> 00:06:39,320 Speaker 3: know that's I don't know if it's just LA. 156 00:06:40,720 --> 00:06:42,640 Speaker 4: It's definitely because I live in l A for a while. 157 00:06:42,800 --> 00:06:44,479 Speaker 1: People ain't nobody regular. 158 00:06:45,400 --> 00:06:47,320 Speaker 4: But what are you doing in the middle of the day? 159 00:06:47,440 --> 00:06:51,400 Speaker 1: Are here's to everybody? 160 00:06:51,720 --> 00:06:52,840 Speaker 4: Why are you in the gym? 161 00:06:52,839 --> 00:06:55,160 Speaker 2: Like it's like eleven a m, no bread? You know 162 00:06:55,200 --> 00:06:58,880 Speaker 2: what I'm saying? Yeah, soho house partying? 163 00:06:59,279 --> 00:06:59,520 Speaker 3: You know? 164 00:06:59,800 --> 00:07:01,000 Speaker 2: And and I look at. 165 00:07:00,920 --> 00:07:05,000 Speaker 3: It like the people that that need to that, well, 166 00:07:05,240 --> 00:07:07,440 Speaker 3: people that want to just focus on music. Is like, 167 00:07:07,720 --> 00:07:10,680 Speaker 3: you're gonna end up getting some crazy, crazy deals offered 168 00:07:10,680 --> 00:07:14,080 Speaker 3: to you until you get your weight up, till you 169 00:07:14,080 --> 00:07:17,040 Speaker 3: build your leg. You've been in a game a long 170 00:07:17,120 --> 00:07:20,680 Speaker 3: time and you've been I listen to your music. You 171 00:07:20,400 --> 00:07:21,960 Speaker 3: you you you really consistent? 172 00:07:22,760 --> 00:07:25,000 Speaker 2: Do you feel like you underrated? Though? 173 00:07:26,160 --> 00:07:29,160 Speaker 3: I feel like I'm an independent artist. I feel like 174 00:07:29,200 --> 00:07:32,320 Speaker 3: it's a different energy. I don't think I'm underrated. I 175 00:07:32,360 --> 00:07:36,880 Speaker 3: just feel like it's maybe, I don't know, like underpromoted. 176 00:07:37,000 --> 00:07:39,280 Speaker 3: I don't know, like people don't know, Like people don't 177 00:07:39,320 --> 00:07:41,240 Speaker 3: know as much as you would see, Like you're not 178 00:07:41,280 --> 00:07:43,400 Speaker 3: gonna drive by a billboard and see everybod You're not 179 00:07:43,440 --> 00:07:46,320 Speaker 3: gonna drive by a bus bench just not because the 180 00:07:46,360 --> 00:07:49,200 Speaker 3: budgets that I'm doing it ain't. 181 00:07:48,960 --> 00:07:50,920 Speaker 1: That well, you know, what do you want that though? 182 00:07:51,120 --> 00:07:53,120 Speaker 1: Like do you want to have people drive by and 183 00:07:53,120 --> 00:07:54,960 Speaker 1: see you on a billboard or do you like it? 184 00:07:56,360 --> 00:08:00,040 Speaker 2: It'll be cool, Yeah, it'll be cool coming out. I 185 00:08:00,080 --> 00:08:02,000 Speaker 2: don't see that big billboard. 186 00:08:02,680 --> 00:08:07,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, I would imagine you could get that type of situation. 187 00:08:07,520 --> 00:08:08,280 Speaker 1: That's why I'm asking. 188 00:08:08,480 --> 00:08:11,560 Speaker 2: I never tried. I never took more though, if. 189 00:08:11,400 --> 00:08:13,200 Speaker 1: That's what you would want, Like, what what made you 190 00:08:13,240 --> 00:08:16,720 Speaker 1: say I'm gonna I'm staying in this independent where you're 191 00:08:16,760 --> 00:08:19,920 Speaker 1: still going on tour, selling out shows, you can. You 192 00:08:19,920 --> 00:08:23,560 Speaker 1: have major artists on your albums and you're on theirs. 193 00:08:24,160 --> 00:08:26,840 Speaker 1: So what made what holds you back from even. 194 00:08:27,000 --> 00:08:28,920 Speaker 2: Doing all that? Well? I don't know. 195 00:08:28,960 --> 00:08:30,880 Speaker 3: I think I fell in love with the freedom, you know, 196 00:08:30,960 --> 00:08:33,920 Speaker 3: I fell in love with like it's like a partnership. 197 00:08:33,960 --> 00:08:36,280 Speaker 3: Impart does like a partnership to where they're like, whatever 198 00:08:36,280 --> 00:08:38,040 Speaker 3: you want to do, we're gonna support it, you know. 199 00:08:38,160 --> 00:08:41,439 Speaker 3: So the budgets just ain't as grand, you know what 200 00:08:41,480 --> 00:08:44,800 Speaker 3: I mean. But it's still like me feeding what I 201 00:08:44,920 --> 00:08:48,640 Speaker 3: need the necessities. Now I'm recouping faster. Now I'm getting 202 00:08:48,679 --> 00:08:51,679 Speaker 3: monthly payments. Like artists signed to majors they're not getting. 203 00:08:51,520 --> 00:08:53,240 Speaker 2: Right, and you're feeding your core. 204 00:08:53,720 --> 00:08:57,280 Speaker 3: The core base Corbett so you able to tour shows 205 00:08:57,320 --> 00:08:58,280 Speaker 3: is always sold out. 206 00:08:58,800 --> 00:09:01,320 Speaker 1: So some are just signed those major deals. I don't 207 00:09:01,320 --> 00:09:02,600 Speaker 1: never see no money from. 208 00:09:02,480 --> 00:09:05,080 Speaker 2: There ever, the actual label. 209 00:09:05,160 --> 00:09:07,080 Speaker 3: So now you think about it, I don drop thirty 210 00:09:07,080 --> 00:09:10,760 Speaker 3: seven albums, and now I got all these streams that 211 00:09:10,800 --> 00:09:13,600 Speaker 3: have accumulated over the years, and I own the masters. 212 00:09:13,640 --> 00:09:15,240 Speaker 3: So now I can say, hey, let's do a deal 213 00:09:15,280 --> 00:09:18,000 Speaker 3: where we sell a couple of albums now chipped off 214 00:09:18,000 --> 00:09:20,280 Speaker 3: with millions of dollars, and I'm buying cribs and I'm 215 00:09:20,280 --> 00:09:22,840 Speaker 3: doing all these things and I'm owning it all because 216 00:09:22,840 --> 00:09:24,760 Speaker 3: I own the music. Now you could think, okay, you 217 00:09:24,800 --> 00:09:27,800 Speaker 3: would be more famous maybe if you, you know, had 218 00:09:27,840 --> 00:09:31,160 Speaker 3: them pumping all this money into your music, into your 219 00:09:31,600 --> 00:09:35,960 Speaker 3: studio sessions and now you're huge, but you're not gonna 220 00:09:35,960 --> 00:09:39,079 Speaker 3: get in them famous but broke exactly. 221 00:09:39,960 --> 00:09:41,600 Speaker 1: They's just seeing you recently on TMZ. 222 00:09:42,120 --> 00:09:45,000 Speaker 2: I'm like, I was like, maybe they won't post it. 223 00:09:45,080 --> 00:09:51,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, right, Like okay, Like I know that people are 224 00:09:52,000 --> 00:09:55,000 Speaker 1: going to keep on asking you, chirst you're you know, 225 00:09:55,000 --> 00:09:57,240 Speaker 1: you're married to Meg, a good sister, and then everything 226 00:09:57,240 --> 00:09:59,040 Speaker 1: that's happening with her, I was like, I know everywhere 227 00:09:59,040 --> 00:10:00,600 Speaker 1: he goes now they're going to be like, so, what 228 00:10:00,640 --> 00:10:01,240 Speaker 1: do you think about? 229 00:10:01,280 --> 00:10:02,440 Speaker 2: It's crazy? 230 00:10:02,640 --> 00:10:04,960 Speaker 3: And I was like, at first, I was like that 231 00:10:05,120 --> 00:10:07,319 Speaker 3: was crazy, Like okay, I didn't think it would happened again. 232 00:10:07,360 --> 00:10:08,280 Speaker 2: And did it happen again again? 233 00:10:08,520 --> 00:10:09,080 Speaker 4: What's happening? 234 00:10:09,160 --> 00:10:11,000 Speaker 3: I was like, Oh, this is like the usher thing, 235 00:10:11,080 --> 00:10:13,360 Speaker 3: the tiny desk, and now everybody hit the note, bro 236 00:10:13,440 --> 00:10:13,920 Speaker 3: hit the note. 237 00:10:15,960 --> 00:10:19,080 Speaker 2: It's and it's what do you think you know? I'm like, 238 00:10:19,320 --> 00:10:22,920 Speaker 2: oh man, I'm just trying. I got the single right 239 00:10:22,960 --> 00:10:24,160 Speaker 2: now about that. 240 00:10:24,320 --> 00:10:25,320 Speaker 1: He's like, I'm not with them, and. 241 00:10:27,080 --> 00:10:29,840 Speaker 3: It's tough for me to even answer accurately, because it's right, 242 00:10:30,000 --> 00:10:30,920 Speaker 3: you don't even know. 243 00:10:31,640 --> 00:10:34,880 Speaker 1: You do be having Pillowton, you don't know, you know, 244 00:10:34,960 --> 00:10:37,080 Speaker 1: he don't be saying that you know what's he gonna 245 00:10:37,080 --> 00:10:42,439 Speaker 1: dotray the family if he would have dropped down on that, 246 00:10:42,520 --> 00:10:44,679 Speaker 1: and that's how you did. Just do Tiny Desk with 247 00:10:44,880 --> 00:10:47,920 Speaker 1: us shared that was a great, great Tiny Desk by 248 00:10:47,960 --> 00:10:51,440 Speaker 1: the way I share his show in Vegas. I feel 249 00:10:51,480 --> 00:10:55,760 Speaker 1: like that's probably been like the best residency for us. 250 00:10:57,320 --> 00:10:59,120 Speaker 1: You know, I'm going to say the beastline Dion, that's 251 00:10:59,160 --> 00:11:07,320 Speaker 1: not my necessarily ministry, it's not my vibe. But I've 252 00:11:07,360 --> 00:11:10,800 Speaker 1: never seen like and listen, people have done great residency, 253 00:11:10,800 --> 00:11:13,520 Speaker 1: but to the level that everyone's going to see Usher 254 00:11:13,720 --> 00:11:16,240 Speaker 1: razy has been crazy, like a movement. 255 00:11:16,000 --> 00:11:18,400 Speaker 3: Crazy it is. And I know you're doing Paris. I 256 00:11:18,440 --> 00:11:21,520 Speaker 3: wonder if it's gonna be like the same exact show. 257 00:11:21,360 --> 00:11:25,000 Speaker 4: How how did Tiny Desk benefit you? 258 00:11:25,000 --> 00:11:28,680 Speaker 3: You know, I was like I said independent, you know, 259 00:11:28,760 --> 00:11:30,079 Speaker 3: like like it's an underground thing. 260 00:11:30,080 --> 00:11:31,719 Speaker 2: When you think Eric Bellinger, if you know you. 261 00:11:31,720 --> 00:11:33,480 Speaker 1: Know, you know what I mean, it's not like number 262 00:11:33,520 --> 00:11:34,280 Speaker 1: one number one. 263 00:11:35,920 --> 00:11:36,640 Speaker 4: People know you too. 264 00:11:36,880 --> 00:11:39,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, the songs, thank you. The songs is just like 265 00:11:39,280 --> 00:11:42,240 Speaker 3: undeniable music. And it's never been about anything other than 266 00:11:42,400 --> 00:11:44,200 Speaker 3: the music with me. So now when you think like 267 00:11:45,280 --> 00:11:50,280 Speaker 3: Eric Bellinger, the underground hero, Usher calls now I'm on 268 00:11:50,320 --> 00:11:51,199 Speaker 3: the main stage. 269 00:11:51,240 --> 00:11:52,160 Speaker 2: Now I'm in the spotlight. 270 00:11:52,200 --> 00:11:54,440 Speaker 3: Now He's like, I want to introduce you to Eric Bellinger, 271 00:11:54,440 --> 00:11:55,520 Speaker 3: incredible singer. 272 00:11:55,320 --> 00:11:58,080 Speaker 2: Songwriter, brother. I want him to do his thing, you know. 273 00:11:58,200 --> 00:12:02,440 Speaker 3: So that literally hit like a reset button and made 274 00:12:02,440 --> 00:12:05,480 Speaker 3: the people that being supporting me have something to champion 275 00:12:05,559 --> 00:12:08,120 Speaker 3: and then the people that were just finding out about me. 276 00:12:09,720 --> 00:12:13,480 Speaker 3: It's a good space for that discovery point is always 277 00:12:13,520 --> 00:12:15,600 Speaker 3: important for an artist, you know, like where did you 278 00:12:15,640 --> 00:12:16,600 Speaker 3: first find this artist? 279 00:12:16,640 --> 00:12:17,720 Speaker 2: Where did you first hear them? 280 00:12:17,960 --> 00:12:19,720 Speaker 3: And so for me to be right there with us 281 00:12:19,760 --> 00:12:21,960 Speaker 3: or it's like it's like a co sign that's they 282 00:12:22,000 --> 00:12:22,760 Speaker 3: don't get no higher. 283 00:12:22,800 --> 00:12:23,559 Speaker 2: It was organic. 284 00:12:24,400 --> 00:12:26,520 Speaker 1: And then you also have the collab album with hip 285 00:12:26,559 --> 00:12:27,840 Speaker 1: Maker that's out right now. 286 00:12:28,400 --> 00:12:30,640 Speaker 3: That joint is a vibe man. Shout out to Hitmaker. 287 00:12:31,360 --> 00:12:36,800 Speaker 3: This is part two of our series were working online three? Yeah, 288 00:12:36,880 --> 00:12:40,160 Speaker 3: so like a trilogy. Yeah, I do you know that? 289 00:12:40,160 --> 00:12:40,559 Speaker 2: That's all. 290 00:12:40,640 --> 00:12:44,720 Speaker 3: It's like, okay, come with another whole theme or just 291 00:12:44,760 --> 00:12:47,280 Speaker 3: continue the energy. You know, we ain't got to overthink 292 00:12:47,320 --> 00:12:49,880 Speaker 3: it or overdo it. The people love it. It ain't broke, 293 00:12:49,920 --> 00:12:50,520 Speaker 3: don't fix it. 294 00:12:50,600 --> 00:12:51,320 Speaker 2: Let's keep going. 295 00:12:51,720 --> 00:12:53,599 Speaker 1: And how do you like working with other songwriters like 296 00:12:53,640 --> 00:12:56,640 Speaker 1: money Long did the remixes for Obsession. By the way, 297 00:12:56,720 --> 00:12:59,439 Speaker 1: love money Long, and even just seeing how she came 298 00:12:59,480 --> 00:13:01,280 Speaker 1: into it, like as a songwriter, people knew her for 299 00:13:01,320 --> 00:13:02,560 Speaker 1: that and then she changed her name. 300 00:13:02,679 --> 00:13:06,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's I knew her before a songwriter. We was, 301 00:13:06,720 --> 00:13:08,960 Speaker 3: you know, in sessions a lot of times writing together. 302 00:13:09,080 --> 00:13:11,880 Speaker 3: So when she switched it up came with the Hours 303 00:13:11,920 --> 00:13:14,719 Speaker 3: and Hours money Long, I was like, oh, because some. 304 00:13:14,640 --> 00:13:16,960 Speaker 1: People didn't realize that was the same person right first. 305 00:13:16,960 --> 00:13:19,360 Speaker 1: They're like, wait a minute, that's money Long. They thought 306 00:13:19,440 --> 00:13:20,640 Speaker 1: she was a brand new. 307 00:13:20,960 --> 00:13:23,560 Speaker 4: I only I never knew her before. I knew her 308 00:13:23,600 --> 00:13:25,600 Speaker 4: from money Long. I didn't. I wasn't familiar. 309 00:13:25,679 --> 00:13:27,800 Speaker 2: Okay, yeah hours and Hours man. 310 00:13:27,880 --> 00:13:29,959 Speaker 3: So yeah, right when she dropped it, I hit her like, yo, 311 00:13:30,720 --> 00:13:31,680 Speaker 3: you're going crazy. 312 00:13:31,760 --> 00:13:33,200 Speaker 2: She was like, I had to switch it up. I 313 00:13:33,200 --> 00:13:34,079 Speaker 2: had to get in the gym. 314 00:13:34,600 --> 00:13:36,640 Speaker 3: And right then in that first convo, I was like, Yo, 315 00:13:36,720 --> 00:13:40,559 Speaker 3: we gotta do one. And when I got Obsession, I 316 00:13:40,640 --> 00:13:42,240 Speaker 3: knew that I was the one because it just it 317 00:13:42,400 --> 00:13:45,760 Speaker 3: just felt like what I got out of Hours and Hours, 318 00:13:45,760 --> 00:13:47,640 Speaker 3: and I just wanted one of those for myself, just 319 00:13:47,679 --> 00:13:50,840 Speaker 3: to have. You need a solid R and B song 320 00:13:51,040 --> 00:13:53,680 Speaker 3: as an R and B singer, and that's my that's 321 00:13:53,720 --> 00:13:55,800 Speaker 3: my calling card. Now if anybody say what song trying 322 00:13:55,800 --> 00:13:58,560 Speaker 3: to play? I would say obsession. Yeah, It's just it 323 00:13:58,600 --> 00:13:59,840 Speaker 3: puts me in a lane on my own. 324 00:14:00,280 --> 00:14:03,000 Speaker 1: We were having a conversation the other day about posting 325 00:14:03,040 --> 00:14:05,960 Speaker 1: your significant other on social media. There was like a 326 00:14:06,000 --> 00:14:08,880 Speaker 1: study that's like people who post all the time are 327 00:14:08,920 --> 00:14:11,720 Speaker 1: trying to get validation. It was like something that said, 328 00:14:11,720 --> 00:14:14,839 Speaker 1: those are the people who usually aren't, you know, as happy, 329 00:14:15,040 --> 00:14:16,960 Speaker 1: and you know clearly you've been in a relationship for 330 00:14:16,960 --> 00:14:19,000 Speaker 1: a long time. You guys are It seems like we 331 00:14:19,080 --> 00:14:21,760 Speaker 1: never know in Hollywood, but it seems like you guys 332 00:14:21,800 --> 00:14:24,200 Speaker 1: are good and stay. But when did you get to 333 00:14:24,240 --> 00:14:26,240 Speaker 1: the point where you were like, okay, now the world 334 00:14:26,240 --> 00:14:26,560 Speaker 1: can know. 335 00:14:27,960 --> 00:14:31,360 Speaker 3: So we have been dating a while, we have been 336 00:14:32,040 --> 00:14:34,800 Speaker 3: doing all that, and somebody else actually posted us first, 337 00:14:35,120 --> 00:14:37,960 Speaker 3: and I was like, oh, you just go. It was 338 00:14:38,000 --> 00:14:39,960 Speaker 3: like a congratulations joint, you know what I mean, Like 339 00:14:40,000 --> 00:14:41,680 Speaker 3: congratulations y'all are having a baby. 340 00:14:41,680 --> 00:14:44,280 Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, you know they did not. That's okay. 341 00:14:44,400 --> 00:14:47,280 Speaker 2: No, I advited you to the baby shower. This is 342 00:14:47,320 --> 00:14:48,320 Speaker 2: all family. 343 00:14:49,680 --> 00:14:53,440 Speaker 1: Because especially announcing a baby, ya, I didn't. People didn't 344 00:14:53,440 --> 00:14:55,960 Speaker 1: even know you guys, you and Mamayah were dating until 345 00:14:56,360 --> 00:14:57,200 Speaker 1: she was pregnant. 346 00:14:57,600 --> 00:14:59,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, no, no, no, I don't know if they knew. 347 00:14:59,560 --> 00:15:02,280 Speaker 3: I don't know if it was announced, because we don't 348 00:15:02,280 --> 00:15:05,480 Speaker 3: be announcing, like we don't be like like how you 349 00:15:05,520 --> 00:15:07,720 Speaker 3: said when people post, we that's not our thing. 350 00:15:08,240 --> 00:15:11,680 Speaker 2: We're not against it. We're just not like look at us, 351 00:15:11,720 --> 00:15:12,840 Speaker 2: look at us, look at us. 352 00:15:13,200 --> 00:15:16,360 Speaker 3: And I think that's why it's just organic, and I 353 00:15:16,360 --> 00:15:17,080 Speaker 3: think that's better. 354 00:15:17,800 --> 00:15:19,240 Speaker 2: You don't have nothing, has a. 355 00:15:19,160 --> 00:15:21,240 Speaker 4: Different reason for not posting, but I think you have 356 00:15:21,440 --> 00:15:28,720 Speaker 4: more from the same place. 357 00:15:30,880 --> 00:15:32,640 Speaker 1: I got it. 358 00:15:33,080 --> 00:15:35,040 Speaker 3: It's the same thing because at the end of the day, 359 00:15:35,320 --> 00:15:37,120 Speaker 3: we're not seeking validation. 360 00:15:36,880 --> 00:15:39,560 Speaker 1: Like he doesn't. 361 00:15:40,640 --> 00:15:45,520 Speaker 3: Some people be on there trying to like get cloud exactly, 362 00:15:45,600 --> 00:15:47,920 Speaker 3: you know, like really be like get something like yo, 363 00:15:47,960 --> 00:15:49,800 Speaker 3: I'm dating this person. I'm dating this person, and you 364 00:15:49,840 --> 00:15:52,640 Speaker 3: sleep your way to the top, right, But ours is 365 00:15:52,800 --> 00:15:56,560 Speaker 3: really like this is just my partner for real, Like 366 00:15:57,240 --> 00:15:59,960 Speaker 3: if somebody catches us on camera, if we go somewhere, 367 00:16:01,160 --> 00:16:03,360 Speaker 3: we might post it, but it's never for y'all. 368 00:16:03,600 --> 00:16:06,440 Speaker 1: Right, And then you also posted on social media you 369 00:16:06,440 --> 00:16:09,640 Speaker 1: said this chase the vision, not the money. 370 00:16:10,160 --> 00:16:11,000 Speaker 2: Following you. 371 00:16:11,080 --> 00:16:13,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I agree with that totally, but at some point, 372 00:16:14,520 --> 00:16:16,040 Speaker 1: you know, you do have to be like all right 373 00:16:16,080 --> 00:16:21,760 Speaker 1: now I need my bag. Have you ever done anything that, like, say, 374 00:16:21,800 --> 00:16:23,800 Speaker 1: worked with the artist that was really kind of like 375 00:16:24,000 --> 00:16:27,320 Speaker 1: maybe I don't love them, but the bag is there? 376 00:16:27,400 --> 00:16:40,200 Speaker 5: Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, all the bags do it. 377 00:16:40,400 --> 00:16:43,640 Speaker 1: What's the biggest check that you've gotten for a song? 378 00:16:43,680 --> 00:16:43,760 Speaker 2: Like? 379 00:16:43,800 --> 00:16:45,440 Speaker 1: What song would you say has brought you the most 380 00:16:45,520 --> 00:16:48,960 Speaker 1: money long term? Like overall overall? Would you say this 381 00:16:49,120 --> 00:16:51,200 Speaker 1: is like like I know, I remember, and if you ain't, 382 00:16:51,240 --> 00:16:53,000 Speaker 1: James M two May and Juicy was a song for 383 00:16:53,080 --> 00:16:55,320 Speaker 1: him that kept you know, put his son through college, 384 00:16:55,360 --> 00:16:56,840 Speaker 1: the kids through college and everything. 385 00:16:57,000 --> 00:17:01,080 Speaker 3: No, maybe goat my song go for me like that's 386 00:17:01,120 --> 00:17:02,400 Speaker 3: like my that's my biggest song. 387 00:17:02,480 --> 00:17:03,479 Speaker 2: And that song. 388 00:17:04,440 --> 00:17:08,400 Speaker 3: Definitely like got me a crass that one song. That's 389 00:17:08,560 --> 00:17:11,040 Speaker 3: song song Like have you heard this. 390 00:17:11,000 --> 00:17:12,399 Speaker 4: Is like of course I have. 391 00:17:13,920 --> 00:17:17,080 Speaker 3: I didn't know that Yeah yeah, And I think, uh, 392 00:17:17,200 --> 00:17:19,000 Speaker 3: it's tough to scale how. 393 00:17:18,960 --> 00:17:20,720 Speaker 2: Much you made from one song like that, you know 394 00:17:20,760 --> 00:17:21,120 Speaker 2: what I mean? 395 00:17:21,160 --> 00:17:24,600 Speaker 3: Like when you write a gang of songs, the company 396 00:17:25,000 --> 00:17:27,320 Speaker 3: being my ass cap whoever you with, they sending you 397 00:17:27,359 --> 00:17:30,760 Speaker 3: a check that has like all the income, from all. 398 00:17:30,680 --> 00:17:34,880 Speaker 1: The everything, and you have so many Yeah, but it's 399 00:17:34,880 --> 00:17:36,200 Speaker 1: always but it's from your own. 400 00:17:36,080 --> 00:17:38,600 Speaker 2: Song, not from oh no no that I mean from 401 00:17:38,640 --> 00:17:42,720 Speaker 2: my own song. That's when it's easier to judge. But 402 00:17:42,920 --> 00:17:44,480 Speaker 2: like other songs, it's tough. 403 00:17:44,600 --> 00:17:46,800 Speaker 4: Do you ever want to keep stuff that you write? 404 00:17:47,200 --> 00:17:47,879 Speaker 2: I have wanted to. 405 00:17:49,080 --> 00:17:50,800 Speaker 4: Is there any song that you regret giving away? Like 406 00:17:50,800 --> 00:17:51,560 Speaker 4: you wanted to keep it? 407 00:17:52,480 --> 00:17:53,720 Speaker 2: Not regret, not regret. 408 00:17:53,920 --> 00:17:56,959 Speaker 3: But it is songs that I reached out, like, hey, 409 00:17:57,000 --> 00:17:58,679 Speaker 3: what's up with love more? Are y'all gonna use that? 410 00:17:58,760 --> 00:18:01,440 Speaker 3: And it was like, yeah, we just got Nigma. Never 411 00:18:01,480 --> 00:18:06,000 Speaker 3: mind that, but like I have asked for that one before. 412 00:18:06,960 --> 00:18:09,000 Speaker 2: Let me see, I really like that one. 413 00:18:09,000 --> 00:18:11,840 Speaker 3: But it was like my first time actually going to 414 00:18:11,880 --> 00:18:14,240 Speaker 3: a studio like writing for Usher, and I was like, 415 00:18:15,000 --> 00:18:17,439 Speaker 3: I was like, man, I want this, you know. I 416 00:18:17,480 --> 00:18:21,760 Speaker 3: think after hearing him cut it and hearing his vocals, 417 00:18:22,359 --> 00:18:25,080 Speaker 3: that birthed something new inside of me to where it 418 00:18:25,160 --> 00:18:26,760 Speaker 3: was like, all right, I want to keep doing that, 419 00:18:26,800 --> 00:18:28,600 Speaker 3: you know what I mean? And if you know, I 420 00:18:28,720 --> 00:18:30,480 Speaker 3: run out of bars. I don't need to be in 421 00:18:30,480 --> 00:18:31,840 Speaker 3: the room. I don't deserve it. 422 00:18:31,880 --> 00:18:33,600 Speaker 1: Does it ever bother you when you write a song 423 00:18:33,680 --> 00:18:35,359 Speaker 1: a certain way and then somebody does it and you 424 00:18:35,400 --> 00:18:37,440 Speaker 1: let it. That's not how I envisioned. 425 00:18:37,280 --> 00:18:39,840 Speaker 3: That'd be happening to you. So you don't like that, nah, 426 00:18:39,880 --> 00:18:42,280 Speaker 3: because my cadence is cadencing. You know what I'm saying. 427 00:18:43,840 --> 00:18:50,879 Speaker 5: You can't help and I already know, like, yeah, it 428 00:18:51,040 --> 00:18:53,600 Speaker 5: might be on, even when it's all from projecting louder. 429 00:18:54,600 --> 00:18:57,040 Speaker 3: So it's like all right, when I think of you know, 430 00:18:57,160 --> 00:19:00,560 Speaker 3: other people doing the song, it's like, man, you seen five. 431 00:19:00,440 --> 00:19:04,800 Speaker 2: Harvey's was like JT, that's my music. It's that moment. 432 00:19:04,920 --> 00:19:08,040 Speaker 3: But you know, I still have to know, like, man, 433 00:19:08,040 --> 00:19:11,159 Speaker 3: this is it's them, right, you know, can't get the 434 00:19:11,200 --> 00:19:11,879 Speaker 3: demo artists. 435 00:19:12,320 --> 00:19:14,679 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's their own interpretation of it. But for some 436 00:19:14,720 --> 00:19:18,479 Speaker 1: people that were songwriters first, what made them want to 437 00:19:18,760 --> 00:19:20,720 Speaker 1: become an artist is the fact that they hated giving 438 00:19:20,800 --> 00:19:21,639 Speaker 1: their songs to people. 439 00:19:21,680 --> 00:19:23,040 Speaker 2: And then oh somebody said that. 440 00:19:23,160 --> 00:19:25,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, I had somebody tell me that before. 441 00:19:25,160 --> 00:19:27,360 Speaker 3: That makes sense, Yeah, that makes sense because I did 442 00:19:27,400 --> 00:19:29,800 Speaker 3: take a long break and that's when I did go 443 00:19:30,240 --> 00:19:32,399 Speaker 3: and drive by, like when I focused on me and 444 00:19:32,440 --> 00:19:34,920 Speaker 3: I really was like, all right, I got a chill 445 00:19:35,000 --> 00:19:39,479 Speaker 3: from writing because they not appreciating these songs I'm giving them. 446 00:19:39,480 --> 00:19:41,680 Speaker 3: It's just a good look and cut it post. It 447 00:19:41,680 --> 00:19:43,520 Speaker 3: ain't no tag, it ain't no good looking eat, it 448 00:19:43,520 --> 00:19:46,159 Speaker 3: ain't none of that. So I'm like, nah, I just 449 00:19:46,200 --> 00:19:49,200 Speaker 3: do this myself. Boom two Gold Records, one album out 450 00:19:49,240 --> 00:19:50,840 Speaker 3: the bat as soon as I did it, as soon 451 00:19:50,840 --> 00:19:51,720 Speaker 3: as I focused on me. 452 00:19:51,800 --> 00:19:54,040 Speaker 1: Really, and then you have the song that with fab 453 00:19:54,080 --> 00:19:57,879 Speaker 1: and Corde on it. Curious. Let me ask you this 454 00:19:58,200 --> 00:20:02,240 Speaker 1: because you've been like, where do you get your inspiration from? 455 00:20:02,280 --> 00:20:04,400 Speaker 1: Because there's so much going on in the world right 456 00:20:04,680 --> 00:20:08,800 Speaker 1: and your own experiences are not necessarily what's reflected in 457 00:20:08,840 --> 00:20:11,879 Speaker 1: some of these songs. Well, let's hope not right now. 458 00:20:12,720 --> 00:20:16,760 Speaker 3: I mean like on my albums, more so collab albums. 459 00:20:17,080 --> 00:20:20,000 Speaker 3: That's when I can kind of just get away with 460 00:20:20,240 --> 00:20:22,520 Speaker 3: being the narrator, you know what I mean. Like hit 461 00:20:22,600 --> 00:20:25,480 Speaker 3: Maker and Me is like it's different songs than you 462 00:20:25,600 --> 00:20:26,879 Speaker 3: just have an album. 463 00:20:27,040 --> 00:20:29,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like, YO, say this all right, say this 464 00:20:29,720 --> 00:20:30,360 Speaker 2: all right. 465 00:20:30,240 --> 00:20:32,600 Speaker 3: Instead of it's like it's intentional with me because it's 466 00:20:32,640 --> 00:20:35,440 Speaker 3: like this is your album, you know what I mean, 467 00:20:35,480 --> 00:20:37,639 Speaker 3: Like what you're doing, what you're talking about, and why 468 00:20:37,840 --> 00:20:38,840 Speaker 3: are you talking about that? 469 00:20:39,160 --> 00:20:41,840 Speaker 1: How did you and hit makeup become so cool. 470 00:20:42,119 --> 00:20:49,200 Speaker 3: Because we started off working building catalog, just writing literally 471 00:20:49,200 --> 00:20:51,360 Speaker 3: for other people. We wasn't really trying to make one 472 00:20:51,440 --> 00:20:53,359 Speaker 3: hundred bit easy line, one line too. And when we 473 00:20:53,359 --> 00:20:56,680 Speaker 3: first started working, it was just like I love the studio. 474 00:20:57,680 --> 00:21:00,160 Speaker 3: Nobody loved a studio as much as me, and he'll 475 00:21:00,160 --> 00:21:03,040 Speaker 3: got me hit making like oh, you love to live 476 00:21:03,080 --> 00:21:05,639 Speaker 3: in the studio too, So we just got in there 477 00:21:05,680 --> 00:21:08,040 Speaker 3: and it was like ten songs, twenty songs, thirty songs, 478 00:21:08,080 --> 00:21:10,640 Speaker 3: forty songs, and it was finally like, hey, bro, let's 479 00:21:11,119 --> 00:21:13,080 Speaker 3: just drop an album instead of trying to pitch these 480 00:21:13,080 --> 00:21:15,719 Speaker 3: songs and like, hey, I got this song for you. 481 00:21:15,800 --> 00:21:16,240 Speaker 2: What's up. 482 00:21:16,320 --> 00:21:20,199 Speaker 3: It's like, man, stop chasing you know, artists and just 483 00:21:20,280 --> 00:21:21,640 Speaker 3: dropping yourself. 484 00:21:21,320 --> 00:21:24,320 Speaker 2: You know. And then once once we did it, it was. 485 00:21:24,359 --> 00:21:25,600 Speaker 1: Just like oh feels good. 486 00:21:25,720 --> 00:21:28,040 Speaker 2: Yeah that was a vibe and super different. 487 00:21:28,119 --> 00:21:31,840 Speaker 3: Like you said, the song's definitely like La maya no, like, yeah, 488 00:21:31,840 --> 00:21:33,480 Speaker 3: this is the is not about. 489 00:21:33,880 --> 00:21:38,120 Speaker 2: Who you know what I mean? 490 00:21:38,240 --> 00:21:39,840 Speaker 1: And I saw you said that you you're going to 491 00:21:39,920 --> 00:21:40,879 Speaker 1: be doing more acting. 492 00:21:41,320 --> 00:21:42,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, gonna be acting. 493 00:21:43,000 --> 00:21:47,560 Speaker 3: I got some stuff coming out with BT, shooting another movie. 494 00:21:47,920 --> 00:21:52,520 Speaker 1: You're buying bet, Yeah, beat me to it. 495 00:21:54,240 --> 00:21:58,360 Speaker 2: Yeah. So, yeah, no, I'm gonna be on the show soon. 496 00:21:58,400 --> 00:21:59,280 Speaker 2: It's called Sacrifice. 497 00:21:59,280 --> 00:22:02,760 Speaker 1: And how was that for you? That experience? 498 00:22:04,040 --> 00:22:08,840 Speaker 3: It was super different, you know, super different. I enjoyed it. 499 00:22:09,720 --> 00:22:11,439 Speaker 3: It was a whole lot of like they say that 500 00:22:11,520 --> 00:22:13,240 Speaker 3: hurb and waite. I think the most hurry up and 501 00:22:13,280 --> 00:22:17,000 Speaker 3: wait is in acting. Yeah, not music, because you know, 502 00:22:17,080 --> 00:22:18,960 Speaker 3: you get there and then you do that line. 503 00:22:19,040 --> 00:22:20,920 Speaker 2: I was like, yo, we only got two. 504 00:22:20,800 --> 00:22:24,480 Speaker 3: Lines, right, you waited two days just to get those 505 00:22:24,520 --> 00:22:26,280 Speaker 3: two lines off, two lines. 506 00:22:26,040 --> 00:22:30,119 Speaker 1: Off from different and then you got to be in 507 00:22:30,160 --> 00:22:32,879 Speaker 1: the next scene because you're in the background, I know. 508 00:22:32,920 --> 00:22:37,840 Speaker 3: I know talking Yah that show before, right, a TV 509 00:22:37,880 --> 00:22:43,440 Speaker 3: show wife? Yeah around, Yeah, it's called Platinum Life. I 510 00:22:43,480 --> 00:22:45,920 Speaker 3: don't even know it was called Platinum Life. 511 00:22:47,640 --> 00:22:49,320 Speaker 4: How that experience for you guys? 512 00:22:49,800 --> 00:22:50,399 Speaker 2: It was cool. 513 00:22:50,440 --> 00:22:51,919 Speaker 3: It was it was one of the things that was 514 00:22:51,960 --> 00:22:56,600 Speaker 3: like our first time and it was dope. We enjoyed it. 515 00:22:57,040 --> 00:22:59,240 Speaker 3: You know, we would have we would have did it again, 516 00:22:59,400 --> 00:23:01,560 Speaker 3: you know if they have another season, but they didn't. 517 00:23:01,760 --> 00:23:03,119 Speaker 2: But it was fun. 518 00:23:03,320 --> 00:23:06,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, what do you do outside of because clearly you 519 00:23:06,320 --> 00:23:08,399 Speaker 1: love being in the studio, But outside of all that, 520 00:23:08,520 --> 00:23:11,119 Speaker 1: what does Eric Balinger do in life? That's like this 521 00:23:11,240 --> 00:23:13,439 Speaker 1: is how I like the golf. 522 00:23:14,160 --> 00:23:17,840 Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, I like the golf calimated viral. 523 00:23:17,880 --> 00:23:19,280 Speaker 2: But I've been golfing is high school? 524 00:23:19,520 --> 00:23:20,360 Speaker 1: Isn't that crazy? 525 00:23:21,160 --> 00:23:21,720 Speaker 2: So you're good? 526 00:23:21,920 --> 00:23:24,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, I just I just golf for the first time 527 00:23:24,720 --> 00:23:25,200 Speaker 3: last year. 528 00:23:25,880 --> 00:23:29,440 Speaker 2: Spent the whole day golfing. Nice. You have yeah, have fun. 529 00:23:29,480 --> 00:23:31,680 Speaker 1: He needs to meditate, that's why, because people say that's 530 00:23:31,680 --> 00:23:32,480 Speaker 1: good for meditation. 531 00:23:32,560 --> 00:23:35,000 Speaker 2: It is why need alice? Wow, why do I need 532 00:23:35,040 --> 00:23:35,439 Speaker 2: medic You. 533 00:23:35,440 --> 00:23:36,560 Speaker 1: Need to do it right now. I relax. 534 00:23:40,720 --> 00:23:51,360 Speaker 3: I'm getting bullied crazy, chill out. Nobody nobody saw that 535 00:23:51,840 --> 00:23:53,520 Speaker 3: down since high school? 536 00:23:53,560 --> 00:23:56,160 Speaker 1: So why And you're from Compton, right, so you were 537 00:23:56,240 --> 00:23:56,720 Speaker 1: golfing and. 538 00:23:58,240 --> 00:23:59,000 Speaker 2: So so I. 539 00:23:59,040 --> 00:24:01,840 Speaker 3: Lived in Compton, but I went to school thirty minutes away. 540 00:24:01,880 --> 00:24:04,879 Speaker 3: So every day I was like commuting to Norwalk Santa 541 00:24:04,880 --> 00:24:08,400 Speaker 3: Fe Springs, which is like East East in LA off. 542 00:24:08,240 --> 00:24:09,640 Speaker 2: The one on five freeway. 543 00:24:09,800 --> 00:24:13,040 Speaker 3: And I basically was playing for the school. 544 00:24:13,080 --> 00:24:13,920 Speaker 2: The school had a team. 545 00:24:14,040 --> 00:24:15,680 Speaker 1: Oh wow, that's done. 546 00:24:16,840 --> 00:24:19,160 Speaker 2: So nice that not everybody. 547 00:24:19,320 --> 00:24:22,080 Speaker 1: I feel like a lot of people are going to 548 00:24:22,119 --> 00:24:23,119 Speaker 1: the golf trend. 549 00:24:23,640 --> 00:24:28,159 Speaker 2: Everybody's talking golf now. Yeah, it's fun, it's fun. 550 00:24:28,080 --> 00:24:29,480 Speaker 1: And a lot of deals get done, they say on 551 00:24:29,520 --> 00:24:31,440 Speaker 1: the golf course. That's why it's important. 552 00:24:31,240 --> 00:24:33,800 Speaker 3: They do they do because most of the time you well, 553 00:24:33,880 --> 00:24:35,560 Speaker 3: now I don't know, you know what I mean, Like 554 00:24:35,640 --> 00:24:36,640 Speaker 3: everybody's golfing. 555 00:24:36,680 --> 00:24:39,080 Speaker 2: But at first that's where all of the upsk like 556 00:24:39,080 --> 00:24:40,840 Speaker 2: that's real, that's what they're doing. But now it's it's 557 00:24:40,880 --> 00:24:42,080 Speaker 2: a lot more herb man, it's not. 558 00:24:42,160 --> 00:24:44,600 Speaker 3: So that's cool though, Yeah, I just don't know if 559 00:24:44,640 --> 00:24:45,720 Speaker 3: the same deals get made. 560 00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:48,679 Speaker 1: Maybe do you have to dress a certain way to go? 561 00:24:48,960 --> 00:24:49,360 Speaker 2: Yeah? 562 00:24:49,400 --> 00:24:53,239 Speaker 1: Okay, you could do whatever, Like do you have can 563 00:24:53,280 --> 00:24:54,840 Speaker 1: you wear like a T shirts and sweatpants? 564 00:24:54,920 --> 00:24:55,400 Speaker 2: Nah? 565 00:24:56,000 --> 00:24:57,879 Speaker 3: I mean you can go to top golf and do 566 00:24:57,920 --> 00:25:00,719 Speaker 3: all that if you go out. It's just it's courses 567 00:25:00,760 --> 00:25:02,040 Speaker 3: that you can't if you don't have a collar. 568 00:25:02,080 --> 00:25:02,880 Speaker 2: They're sitting you home. 569 00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:05,040 Speaker 1: Oh wow, private school? 570 00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:05,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, for real? 571 00:25:06,560 --> 00:25:07,840 Speaker 1: What do you think you would be doing if you 572 00:25:07,880 --> 00:25:08,720 Speaker 1: weren't doing music? 573 00:25:08,920 --> 00:25:09,360 Speaker 2: Football? 574 00:25:09,840 --> 00:25:10,879 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that's to. 575 00:25:10,880 --> 00:25:11,880 Speaker 2: Play football for show. 576 00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:14,520 Speaker 3: Like I don't know now I would have played, probably too, 577 00:25:14,920 --> 00:25:17,480 Speaker 3: you know, too old now to be playing. 578 00:25:17,480 --> 00:25:19,879 Speaker 2: But I feel like that it was the three a's 579 00:25:19,880 --> 00:25:20,320 Speaker 2: that I want to be. 580 00:25:20,400 --> 00:25:23,240 Speaker 3: When I was young, it was a it was an artist, 581 00:25:23,960 --> 00:25:29,680 Speaker 3: it was an astronaut, an architect. 582 00:25:28,600 --> 00:25:29,440 Speaker 2: Was like that was a thing. 583 00:25:29,600 --> 00:25:30,920 Speaker 3: So it was like they would have been the other 584 00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:37,480 Speaker 3: things that still to ashl. 585 00:25:35,119 --> 00:25:36,200 Speaker 2: Not go up in space. 586 00:25:36,359 --> 00:25:39,600 Speaker 3: Just don't not the submarines just now we ain't going. 587 00:25:39,720 --> 00:25:42,080 Speaker 3: I've just seen the Simpsons prediction today. 588 00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:44,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, I saw that Simpsons fans are saying that like 589 00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:46,600 Speaker 1: seventeen years ago or something. 590 00:25:46,600 --> 00:25:50,280 Speaker 3: However, they dig down in the submarine, submarine, got lost 591 00:25:50,840 --> 00:25:53,640 Speaker 3: looking for the bowl, ran out of oxygen, the whole 592 00:25:53,680 --> 00:25:54,199 Speaker 3: things on there. 593 00:25:55,600 --> 00:26:00,439 Speaker 1: That's like twenty thing the Simpsons predicted because they've had 594 00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:04,119 Speaker 1: their like the longest running show ever so this but they. 595 00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:09,040 Speaker 3: Hit everything, like everything everything. 596 00:26:09,600 --> 00:26:10,320 Speaker 2: Some things are gonna. 597 00:26:11,320 --> 00:26:13,200 Speaker 1: Previously, in an interview, you said your mom wanted you 598 00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:16,040 Speaker 1: to do gospel music. So is that something that you 599 00:26:16,040 --> 00:26:18,040 Speaker 1: would consider ever trying to do. 600 00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:19,320 Speaker 2: I would. 601 00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:22,480 Speaker 3: I would for sure. I always follow my heart. You know, 602 00:26:23,160 --> 00:26:25,639 Speaker 3: they still support me. I grew up in church, singing 603 00:26:25,680 --> 00:26:27,880 Speaker 3: in church, so it's natural. You know, when you in church, 604 00:26:28,560 --> 00:26:30,679 Speaker 3: we want you to use that voice for you know, 605 00:26:30,800 --> 00:26:33,800 Speaker 3: like that's that's always what it was. And then when 606 00:26:33,840 --> 00:26:36,399 Speaker 3: I first started singing R and B the church for 607 00:26:36,520 --> 00:26:39,720 Speaker 3: show has something to say to me music, Oh my god, 608 00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:40,360 Speaker 3: I didn't like it. 609 00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:42,960 Speaker 2: Nah, it didn't like you doing it. They condemned me, 610 00:26:43,040 --> 00:26:47,800 Speaker 2: they they they rebuked it really was was it? 611 00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:49,320 Speaker 4: What kind of denomination was it? 612 00:26:50,800 --> 00:26:53,200 Speaker 3: I think it was just normal Christian, Like this one 613 00:26:53,240 --> 00:26:55,159 Speaker 3: was just Christian. But I went there since like I 614 00:26:55,200 --> 00:26:57,000 Speaker 3: was a baby, you know, I was born into the church. 615 00:26:57,359 --> 00:26:59,480 Speaker 3: They knew you, so to them, it's like this is 616 00:26:59,560 --> 00:27:04,240 Speaker 3: our little baby, so like eighteen Yeah, they said gyrating 617 00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:06,639 Speaker 3: on stage one time when I was on. When I 618 00:27:06,680 --> 00:27:09,359 Speaker 3: was it was like, you ain't gonna be gyrating like gyrated. 619 00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:12,560 Speaker 2: Then I had my show, right and right, I have 620 00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:17,720 Speaker 2: my bro I'm like, oh, we're definitely this is wild. 621 00:27:18,440 --> 00:27:22,440 Speaker 1: They caught it. But then after a while it's. 622 00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:24,440 Speaker 2: Like that after that's our guy. 623 00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:27,320 Speaker 1: Come back to the church, you know, like yeah, you know. 624 00:27:27,320 --> 00:27:29,280 Speaker 2: You gotta put in a big off. 625 00:27:31,080 --> 00:27:32,600 Speaker 1: And you're in the middle of a tour right now 626 00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:34,640 Speaker 1: to right Georges finished finished. 627 00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:35,720 Speaker 2: Sort just finished. 628 00:27:35,720 --> 00:27:38,760 Speaker 3: Some more days left coming up, like the second leg Energy, 629 00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:39,880 Speaker 3: so we haven't started that yet. 630 00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:42,000 Speaker 2: But we knocked out thirty three cities. 631 00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:44,800 Speaker 1: Yes, how to Go Everywhere? 632 00:27:44,800 --> 00:27:46,840 Speaker 2: Great, great great. I had Trevor Jackson with me. 633 00:27:48,680 --> 00:27:51,560 Speaker 1: He was in to fly yeah, no, no, no, the 634 00:27:51,600 --> 00:27:54,240 Speaker 1: one where he was like pledging. Did you see that one? 635 00:27:54,800 --> 00:27:57,080 Speaker 4: It was it was like a beat was a beating movie. 636 00:27:57,840 --> 00:27:59,320 Speaker 2: I gotta check it out on Netflix. 637 00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:02,840 Speaker 1: Really yeah, he was pledging. Oh man, he was never mind. 638 00:28:04,040 --> 00:28:04,720 Speaker 1: All right, so go ahead? 639 00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:07,240 Speaker 2: Who else you got? Go Gomorrow? 640 00:28:07,800 --> 00:28:13,520 Speaker 3: She Dope, Nick Lavelle upstairs and Asia Pierson. 641 00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:15,199 Speaker 1: You know what else I saw you that you did 642 00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:17,159 Speaker 1: that was really dope? Is looking for an artist to 643 00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:19,359 Speaker 1: open for you. You know what kind of opportunity that 644 00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:23,959 Speaker 1: is locally for an artist to be like to And 645 00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:26,160 Speaker 1: that's also a great way to connect with a certain 646 00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:28,399 Speaker 1: city when you get somebody that's like dope that's local 647 00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:30,640 Speaker 1: to come out and give them a chance like that. 648 00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:32,560 Speaker 2: That's exactly what we was thinking. Man. I was like, 649 00:28:32,560 --> 00:28:34,359 Speaker 2: all right, what should we do? Who should we have open? 650 00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:37,359 Speaker 3: And then my guy Mike was like, let's just have 651 00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:39,880 Speaker 3: one of their artists open. So when we did that, 652 00:28:39,920 --> 00:28:42,800 Speaker 3: it's like I've been getting dms and now it's crazy 653 00:28:42,800 --> 00:28:44,920 Speaker 3: because I just tried to do that and give somebody 654 00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:48,400 Speaker 3: else a chance, and now so many people are finding. 655 00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:50,520 Speaker 2: Out about the Hawaii show like that. I didn't. 656 00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:54,360 Speaker 3: I'm like, oh, this is like a promo thing, low key, 657 00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:57,200 Speaker 3: like a marketing thing. To wait to the point where 658 00:28:57,880 --> 00:29:00,840 Speaker 3: now everybody is hearing about the show and having an 659 00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:01,960 Speaker 3: opportunity to open that. 660 00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:05,080 Speaker 2: That word is getting around even more than I had 661 00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:06,560 Speaker 2: a show because it's about them. 662 00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:07,520 Speaker 1: So that's a big deal. 663 00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:09,560 Speaker 2: This actually worked out like you could make. 664 00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:13,360 Speaker 1: That into a show. Just yeah, an idea like you can. 665 00:29:13,280 --> 00:29:15,480 Speaker 2: Get the deck pip in, we might have that. You 666 00:29:15,600 --> 00:29:16,680 Speaker 2: always got a good ideas. 667 00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:19,400 Speaker 1: Thank you, man, I appreciate it. We gotta play golf 668 00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:20,240 Speaker 1: and come up with some more. 669 00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:23,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, the deals is getting done with us on the course. 670 00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:25,800 Speaker 2: We gotta hit mini golf. It don't matter. Let's do it. 671 00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:26,040 Speaker 4: Well. 672 00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:27,880 Speaker 1: Thank you so much. I really do appreciate you for 673 00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:31,120 Speaker 1: coming through. I know, and he already committed before the 674 00:29:31,120 --> 00:29:32,760 Speaker 1: show started. You and Lamia are going to come do 675 00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:33,800 Speaker 1: lip service as a couple. 676 00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:35,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, gotta be fun. 677 00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:39,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, he's unaware of this arrangement, but we're gonna make 678 00:29:39,480 --> 00:29:40,080 Speaker 1: it happen. 679 00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:40,960 Speaker 2: We're gonna make it happen. 680 00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:42,600 Speaker 1: He's gonna tell it all, he said, he said. 681 00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:44,480 Speaker 2: We gotta because think about it. 682 00:29:44,520 --> 00:29:47,000 Speaker 3: When you buy yourself and your significant other is a 683 00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:48,760 Speaker 3: way you know you can go, but when they. 684 00:29:48,760 --> 00:29:51,000 Speaker 1: There, you can go crazy. 685 00:29:51,800 --> 00:29:52,240 Speaker 2: We can. 686 00:29:56,520 --> 00:29:59,080 Speaker 1: Well, you guys made sure y'all download that one hundred 687 00:29:59,160 --> 00:29:59,920 Speaker 1: hit easy lines. 688 00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:00,600 Speaker 2: That's right. 689 00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:01,800 Speaker 1: You know, people be like, go to the store and 690 00:30:01,840 --> 00:30:04,360 Speaker 1: buy and no one says that anymore. Stream it and 691 00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:07,160 Speaker 1: you have another album like a solo coming. 692 00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:09,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure working on my album now as we speak, 693 00:30:10,040 --> 00:30:13,680 Speaker 3: new music, and I'm challenging it. I'm pushing it, you know, 694 00:30:13,840 --> 00:30:15,960 Speaker 3: as a person that just drops all the time. 695 00:30:16,800 --> 00:30:17,960 Speaker 2: The only competition at this. 696 00:30:17,920 --> 00:30:19,880 Speaker 3: Point is myself, for real, So I'm trying to make 697 00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:21,480 Speaker 3: sure I've beaten my concepts. 698 00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:23,560 Speaker 2: I'm beating my melodies, I'm beating. 699 00:30:23,280 --> 00:30:27,520 Speaker 3: Everything because it's not about nothing else, about nobody else 700 00:30:27,560 --> 00:30:29,760 Speaker 3: with me. It's just my journey and I'm dedicated to 701 00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:33,120 Speaker 3: the journey as well as the destination. 702 00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:35,120 Speaker 1: But we appreciate your consistency. 703 00:30:35,280 --> 00:30:36,800 Speaker 3: Thank you man, Thank you for having me. And thanks 704 00:30:36,840 --> 00:30:39,240 Speaker 3: for the love Angela for real, thank you for the love. 705 00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:42,400 Speaker 3: It's always love, you know. Being from La West Coast, 706 00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:45,640 Speaker 3: long way from home, I always feel right at home. 707 00:30:45,800 --> 00:30:46,320 Speaker 2: Thank y'all. 708 00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:48,360 Speaker 1: I feel like you worldwide, so you good. 709 00:30:48,760 --> 00:30:52,640 Speaker 2: I like that, like worldwide