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Speaker 1: The volume. What is going on? Happy Holidays, Merry Christmas,

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Speaker 1: Happy Honka. Hopefully everyone's having a good day, a great week.

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Speaker 1: And what a year we've had, and what an NFL

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Speaker 1: season has been so far. I've had a blast. Lot

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Speaker 1: of football watching has been had. We put together a

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Speaker 1: little special bonus episode highlighting some of our favorite topics,

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Speaker 1: some of my favorite takes from our interview. We had

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Speaker 1: Jay Gruden on to Robert Solah getting fired. To the

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Speaker 1: surprise of it all, who would have ever thought, sitting

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Speaker 1: here a year ago, six months ago, hell, a month ago,

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Speaker 1: that Bill Belichick would be the head coach of North Carolina.

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Speaker 1: So it's all here, okay, very very excited to have

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Speaker 1: on the best athlete in the Gruden family, Jay Gruden,

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Speaker 1: Jay Live from Virginia. How you doing.

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Speaker 2: I'm doing good, doing good. I don't know. My brother

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Speaker 2: was a pretty good athlete there until right after high

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Speaker 2: school he stopped growing. I kept growing a little bit

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Speaker 2: to gout to be six foot, but he was a

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Speaker 2: damn good baseball player and football player for sure.

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Speaker 1: I was looking at your arena League Bio. I'm born

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Speaker 1: and raising Davis so right by Sacramento, and I saw

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Speaker 1: you had a quick stint there in the early nineties

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Speaker 1: before you became an arena league legend and rattled off

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Speaker 1: some MVPs and championships.

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Speaker 2: I gave it a shot with the Sacramento Surge, did

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Speaker 2: not work out, so I went played arena balls more fun.

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Speaker 1: Is arena league? Was it just the time? Obviously television

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Speaker 1: has changed the game, But like you would think that

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Speaker 1: that would kind of work. If it worked in the nineties,

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Speaker 1: happened there?

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Speaker 2: I think we just missed our window too early. It

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Speaker 2: was a great league when I was in a Players

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Speaker 2: we get them even before going to the CFL. I

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Speaker 2: The franchise tags went up to like sixteen seventeen million dollars.

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Speaker 2: The owners could never recoup that because they were guaranteed

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Speaker 2: as used as a developmental league, and neither one of

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Speaker 1: When I worked with the Eagles, Matt Naggi had just

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Speaker 1: remember watching him spin the ball. I'm like, I don't

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Speaker 1: of guys that could spin it. In twenty twenty four

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Speaker 1: with the Internet, obviously, Warner kind of made the transition,

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Speaker 1: But do you think there would have been more The

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Speaker 1: scouting staffs are way bigger now, would have been more

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Speaker 1: see the XFL, the USFL, I mean guys are getting

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Speaker 1: I think some of the ninety rosters too.

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Speaker 2: have got more opportunities to play where they don't get

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Speaker 2: great opportunity for skilled guys, especially wide receivers defensive backs,

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Speaker 2: That's why I hope the UFL works out, because there

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Speaker 1: How much time do you and your brother spend talking

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Speaker 2: now going on. But we we love talking football. It's

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Speaker 1: I was thinking, you know, your brother really came on

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Speaker 2: Well, Cincinnati's really the only quarterback I picked me and

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Speaker 2: I guess a third round draft pick in Kendall Fuller

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I wasn't happy about them. I loved Alex. I

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Speaker 2: loved coaching Kirk, but really Andy's the only one I

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Speaker 1: Well, I think there's a lot there by the time,

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Speaker 2: I think he looks the same. He's obviously he gained

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Speaker 2: And then Kirk started playing good. Once I announced him

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Speaker 2: fear of not throwing interceptions and all that stuff. He

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Speaker 1: On the Cousins situation on Monday night, you know, they

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Speaker 1: one pass away from being pretty close to midfield. And clearly,

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Speaker 1: you know, vic Fango, in my opinion, has been one

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Speaker 1: of the better defensive coordinators. I don't know for a

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Speaker 1: long time, but felt like they were pretty soft, you know,

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Speaker 1: and the safeties were way back, and those holes were

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Speaker 1: pretty easy for Kirk when they were not getting any

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Speaker 2: They ran our Nascar kindsted up with a spin and

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Speaker 2: I think it had to be done. You know, I

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Speaker 2: the problem that I had with Bryce. He'd love to

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Speaker 2: he's anticipating some throws, but he's taking sacks, he's missing throws,

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Speaker 1: So what happens now, does he just run the scout team,

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Speaker 1: Would you say they'd have to be right there with

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, but they you don't want You want them

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Speaker 2: They they're like another coach on the field. You want

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Speaker 2: And as a coach, you gotta you know, they'll help

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Speaker 1: I got this question recently and I thought it was

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Speaker 1: Are you ever writing down like so and so looks terrible.

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Speaker 1: Okay, the story of the day, Robert Salah gets fired,

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Speaker 1: and I think before we dive deep in any angle here, objectively,

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Speaker 1: he was a really really bad head coach. Nice guy

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Speaker 1: people like him. Was a good coordinator for the forty

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Speaker 1: nine ers, but as a head coach of the New

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Speaker 1: York Jets, wins and losses speak for themselves. He's twenty

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Speaker 1: and thirty six, and when you watch him, you constantly

491
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Speaker 1: ask yourself, what is he doing now? I was thinking

492
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Speaker 1: about it this morning, that certain guys, younger coaches, get

493
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Speaker 1: their opportunity and become a CEO head coach. And we've

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Speaker 1: pushed back on it over the years. A lot of

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Speaker 1: you guys say you're so anti CEO coaches. Look at Tomlin,

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Speaker 1: look at John Harbaugh. Well yeah, look at them. They

497
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Speaker 1: went to stable, well run, winning organization. We have a

498
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Speaker 1: long history. If you become the head coach for the

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Speaker 1: Pittsburgh Steelers, which only three guys have done over the

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Speaker 1: last like sixty years, you're gonna win. What about the

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Speaker 1: Baltimore Ravens Well John Harbaugh turns out he comes from

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Speaker 1: football royalty when it comes to coaching, as Jack Harball

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Speaker 1: produced to elite coaches, and he got to go work

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Speaker 1: for I don't know, Ozzie Newsom he inherited a team

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Speaker 1: with Ed Reed ray lewis not a bad spot. Robert

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Speaker 1: Sala went to a place that at a first time

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Speaker 1: general manager, an owner who most people that have been

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Speaker 1: around him, that have worked around him, that just know

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Speaker 1: about the Jets thinks an awful owner in the National

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Speaker 1: Football League doesn't mean he doesn't have money, doesn't mean

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Speaker 1: that he want fund certain things, but in terms of

512
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Speaker 1: like clearly pretty impulsive and when you work for him,

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Speaker 1: more than likely you're not gonna win. Because I think

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Speaker 1: there's a pretty consistent theme in the NFL that Robert Sala,

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Speaker 1: if he was going to have success as a head coach,

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Speaker 1: he could not have overcome this situation. You cannot overcome

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Speaker 1: poor ownership. Stefanski tried and eventually had bit him in

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Speaker 1: the ass because now that contract really kicks in. Godspeed Kevin.

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Speaker 1: Now Robert, you know, did not even make it to

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Speaker 1: this Monday Night Football game. Don't totally blame him, like

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Speaker 1: this wasn't gonna work. It simply was never gonna work.

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Speaker 1: And I was thinking about the GM. The reason that

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Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers was on the team is because they had

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Speaker 1: the number two overall pick once upon a time, and

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Speaker 1: they've drafted over the last three or four years a

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Speaker 1: lot of really good players. They've been pretty good at personnel.

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Speaker 1: But they whiffed on Zach Wilson. Now, if you wanted

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Speaker 1: to argue, well, who else should they have picked? Trey Lance,

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Speaker 1: He's even worse than Zack Wilson, justin fields that wouldn't

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Speaker 1: have worked with the Jets. Mac Jones career backup. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: the options weren't good, but he's paid to know that

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Speaker 1: and he's paid to not screw that up. So yeah,

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Speaker 1: Robert Salah has been bad. But they are in this

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Speaker 1: situation because Joe Douglass essentially had to go to the

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Speaker 1: blackjack table with all the money he had and choose

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Speaker 1: to put it on black or red to save this situation.

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Speaker 1: That's what he attempted to do because the Zach Wilson,

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Speaker 1: the quarterback situation for the team blew up in his face,

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Speaker 1: and because of this weird situation of Aaron Rodgers and

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Speaker 1: the Packers him getting kind of butt hurt that they

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Speaker 1: brought in Jordan Love even though they paid him a

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Speaker 1: bunch of money, and I'm acting weird. And then he

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Speaker 1: finally wants a trade. It's like, yeah, he's available, but

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Speaker 1: So it was kind of getting weird. So you were

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Speaker 1: banking on Aaron Rodgers to essentially save your reputation and

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Speaker 1: And when you put whatever amount of money, if it's

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Speaker 1: you got nothing, and it turns out the risk with

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Speaker 1: this player given what you have surrounding him in terms

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Speaker 1: of Robert Salah, and then when you get Aaron Rodgers,

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Speaker 1: he forces you to hire a specific offensive coordinator. It's

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Speaker 1: always going to come up the opposite color. And this

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00:25:48,960 --> 00:25:52,000
Speaker 1: was attempting to put a band aid on a bullet hole.

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Speaker 1: And Aaron Rodgers at thirty nine forty years old, is

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Speaker 1: simply not good enough to cover this up. Think about

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Speaker 1: change teams, and he was a little older than Aaron. Now,

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Speaker 1: he got to go to Tampa, who you could argue

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Speaker 1: had not been well, they had not made the playoffs

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Speaker 1: in like a decade. But he did inherit some random

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Speaker 1: Tampa Bay coach. He got Bruce Arians, a guy who'd

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Speaker 1: proven to be pretty damn good. Well, Bruce is an

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Speaker 1: offensive guy, so what's pretty important for an offensive coordinator?

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Speaker 1: Just like Robert sala the opposite side of the ball,

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Speaker 1: he's a defensive coordinator, Hire someone because you're gonna have

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Speaker 1: nothing to do with that side of the ball. Who's

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Speaker 1: Bruce arians Boy, Todd Bowles. So when Tom Brady signed

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Speaker 1: that contract in Tampa Bay, obviously he was viewed as

582
00:26:45,680 --> 00:26:49,359
Speaker 1: the savior, just like Aaron Rodgers. But he was inheriting,

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Speaker 1: like the Jets, good players, but a really, really good

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Speaker 1: coaching staff. Aaron Rodgers did not. Aaron Rodgers inherited a

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Speaker 1: head coach in Robert Salad that you'd never say never,

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Speaker 1: But he's not going to be a head coach for

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Speaker 1: the foreseeable future. And no team, college or pro will

588
00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:12,880
Speaker 1: ever dream. And if they did wake up from that dream,

589
00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:15,800
Speaker 1: it would be considered a nightmare of making Nathaniel Hackett

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Speaker 1: their offensive coordinator. And this isn't personal, Like I don't

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Speaker 1: know the guy. Hell, I wanted to root for him,

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Speaker 1: bald guy UC Davis, like that's where he went to school,

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Speaker 1: It's where I grew up. But you just he's just terrible.

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Speaker 1: He is not good at his job. And that listen.

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Speaker 1: He's not alone. There are a lot of football coaches

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Speaker 1: in the NFL and in college who are stealing because

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00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:41,040
Speaker 1: these jobs pay so much money, and most of them

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Speaker 1: Hacket's probably making one point five two million dollars to

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Speaker 1: be the offensive coordinator with the New York Jets. It's

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00:27:58,000 --> 00:28:00,960
Speaker 1: like he's looking golful at his job. So in no

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00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:04,520
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Speaker 1: a position. But the one thing Nathaniel Hackett is going

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Speaker 1: for him is that the quarterback fights him. That's the reason.

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Speaker 1: That's his job security. So if in the next couple

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Speaker 1: of days he's gone, it's clear that the quarterback turned

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Speaker 1: on him, like the quarterback turned on Robert Solow. I

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Speaker 1: don't totally buy him. Robert Sala was completely over his head.

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Speaker 1: Every time Robert Solo went to the podium, he found

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Speaker 1: himself a foot in his mouth And listen, I talked

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Speaker 1: for a living. I enjoy coaches that will say some shit.

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00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:38,120
Speaker 1: It makes my job easier. But I also understand when

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Speaker 1: says nothing. What do they benefit from for saying things?

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Speaker 1: Belichick said it the other day, like, listen, we're obviously

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Speaker 1: thinking one thing, but in what world would it benefit me?

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Speaker 1: My team, my players, the coaching staff to go up

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Speaker 1: there and say it's a cadence issue, especially when you

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Speaker 1: know cadence is one of Aaron Rodgers bread and butter.

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Speaker 1: It's such a BP fastball to go, you know what,

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Speaker 1: We're gonna have to take a look at this. We'll

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Speaker 1: meet and talk about it the next couple of days

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Speaker 1: and work on into practice. We feel pretty comfortable that

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Speaker 1: we'll be able to get it figure out. And he

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Speaker 1: could have do he could do that all the time,

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Speaker 1: but he never chose to do that. He always would say, oh,

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Speaker 1: this is happening. And he always felt that he was

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Speaker 1: stepping in it. And why does that happen because a

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Speaker 1: guy is not ready for the job. And we have

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Speaker 1: all been put in position I would imagine in jobs

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Speaker 1: we weren't quite ready for. That's part of life. I mean,

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Speaker 1: like you're not middle management, you don't have a couple

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Speaker 1: of people answering to you, like the entire organization is

639
00:29:56,120 --> 00:29:59,200
Speaker 1: looking at you, and you are unprepared and you don't

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Speaker 1: know how to handle it. You got no shot, and

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00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:04,719
Speaker 1: you definitely got no shot when you're with an organization

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Speaker 1: as dysfunctional and as you know, losing and failure is

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00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:14,560
Speaker 1: now interwoven within the Jets. It's part of the culture.

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Speaker 1: Like they also play in New York, where there's some

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Speaker 1: there's some merit to what Billy Bean said a long

650
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Speaker 1: time ago, like baseball's kind of random. My shit doesn't

651
00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:35,560
Speaker 1: always work in the playoffs. Like I know this. I

652
00:30:35,560 --> 00:30:37,400
Speaker 1: watch the Yankees. They're in the fucking playoffs every year.

653
00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:39,840
Speaker 1: They're pretty good. They kind of know what they're doing.

654
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Speaker 1: Are they gonna beat the Royals who knows it's baseball?

655
00:30:43,080 --> 00:30:44,960
Speaker 1: Are they gonna win the next round against the Guardians?

656
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Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, does they have a couple

657
00:30:47,320 --> 00:30:51,040
Speaker 1: bad pitching outings, does judges back go cold for three weeks?

658
00:30:51,520 --> 00:30:54,040
Speaker 1: But I feel pretty comfortable as a whole the Yankees

659
00:30:54,040 --> 00:30:57,440
Speaker 1: are gonna be fine. I have zero faith that the

660
00:30:57,520 --> 00:31:02,760
Speaker 1: Jets are gonna be fine, Absolutely none, And like if

661
00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:05,320
Speaker 1: Olbrick gives them a little life, they'll probably lose against

662
00:31:05,320 --> 00:31:08,200
Speaker 1: the Bills. Who they hire, like who's coming in here?

663
00:31:08,560 --> 00:31:12,480
Speaker 1: You know? Will they hire William Belichick? He clearly despises

664
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Speaker 1: this organization. I don't think there's any amount of money

665
00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:17,880
Speaker 1: they could pay him to get him to accept this job.

666
00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:21,720
Speaker 1: But like this, ultimately, if we look at the last

667
00:31:21,760 --> 00:31:24,800
Speaker 1: couple of years from Zach Wilson to the trade with

668
00:31:25,560 --> 00:31:30,400
Speaker 1: the Packers, like this moment this morning, this is the Jets.

669
00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:35,480
Speaker 1: This is who this franchise is. They are much much

670
00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:40,200
Speaker 1: closer to the Raiders than they are the Ravens, the Chiefs,

671
00:31:40,280 --> 00:31:43,440
Speaker 1: or the Bills. I mean, let's just call a spade

672
00:31:43,520 --> 00:31:46,520
Speaker 1: or spade that their owner is just a more wealthy

673
00:31:47,040 --> 00:32:05,400
Speaker 1: East Coast version of the Raiders. Well well, well, Belichick

674
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Speaker 1: to North Carolina. I was thinking about I think about

675
00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:14,000
Speaker 1: this a lot, the importance, and I've benefited greatly from this,

676
00:32:14,840 --> 00:32:19,720
Speaker 1: the just when you say the word timing and timing

677
00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:22,920
Speaker 1: being on your side, It's benefited me personally, you know,

678
00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:26,760
Speaker 1: in a professional way greatly, and obviously some of the

679
00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:30,240
Speaker 1: great business stories in the history of America, from Steve

680
00:32:30,360 --> 00:32:33,880
Speaker 1: Jobs to Jeff Bezos to Elon. Timing has been a

681
00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:37,520
Speaker 1: huge part of their success. Like Tesla doesn't exist if

682
00:32:37,520 --> 00:32:40,440
Speaker 1: it's nineteen eighty, but he has the idea. The way

683
00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:43,959
Speaker 1: everything's worked, you know, I would say economically where some

684
00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:47,120
Speaker 1: of these states are moving, you know, in terms of

685
00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:50,640
Speaker 1: what they're pushing. It benefited him. He got huge tax

686
00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:53,520
Speaker 1: breaks from California to build this and start his company,

687
00:32:54,120 --> 00:32:59,959
Speaker 1: and it helped lead Tesla into just great, great, of

688
00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:03,880
Speaker 1: very fruitful time. Obviously, Jeff Bezos starts a company that

689
00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:08,400
Speaker 1: is selling books online. Well, part of the idea behind

690
00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:10,959
Speaker 1: that was he realized the brick and mortar was in trouble,

691
00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:13,720
Speaker 1: and then as time went he adapted his company and

692
00:33:13,760 --> 00:33:17,240
Speaker 1: now they sell everything. But it really wouldn't have worked

693
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Speaker 1: without I don't know, the Internet, which changed the game.

694
00:33:21,160 --> 00:33:24,600
Speaker 1: Think of Apple, Like you could argue the most important

695
00:33:24,600 --> 00:33:29,960
Speaker 1: invention of my lifetime, like the car, the wheel, fire lights,

696
00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:33,240
Speaker 1: all that shit was already invented by before I was born. Definitely,

697
00:33:33,240 --> 00:33:36,640
Speaker 1: the most impactful one has to be this phone, which

698
00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:39,200
Speaker 1: they clearly have a market share on. Right if you

699
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Speaker 1: sit down with one hundred people, I would say close to.

700
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Speaker 1: It's shocking when you don't see one of them having

701
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Speaker 1: an iPhone. Now, obviously it wouldn't be one hundred percent,

702
00:33:48,600 --> 00:33:52,200
Speaker 1: but I would guess if you just grabbed one hundred people,

703
00:33:52,280 --> 00:33:54,880
Speaker 1: that number is much closer to ninety than it is seventy,

704
00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:57,959
Speaker 1: and potentially closer to one hundred than it is eighty.

705
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Speaker 1: So I've benefited from that what I'm doing now. When

706
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Speaker 1: I got out of radio, if it would have been

707
00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:10,040
Speaker 1: nineteen ninety three, this would not have existed. I couldn't

708
00:34:10,040 --> 00:34:14,279
Speaker 1: have done a radio show, which are podcasts. Obviously that

709
00:34:14,440 --> 00:34:16,919
Speaker 1: is different, but in create a studio from my home,

710
00:34:17,400 --> 00:34:20,640
Speaker 1: it wouldn't have been possible, partly because the Internet didn't exist.

711
00:34:20,640 --> 00:34:22,360
Speaker 1: I wouldn't have been able to distribute it. You wouldn't

712
00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:24,479
Speaker 1: have been able to find me. I remember the first

713
00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:27,640
Speaker 1: time I heard who Chris Russo and Mike Francessa were,

714
00:34:28,080 --> 00:34:31,160
Speaker 1: and I started listening to them on the internet. Well

715
00:34:31,200 --> 00:34:33,200
Speaker 1: when I was a kid, when they were crushing it

716
00:34:33,239 --> 00:34:35,200
Speaker 1: in New York in the late nineties. I was a

717
00:34:35,200 --> 00:34:38,279
Speaker 1: sports radio junkie, but you didn't have access to people

718
00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:40,479
Speaker 1: outside of your market. You didn't even know who they were.

719
00:34:41,200 --> 00:34:43,680
Speaker 1: I remember the first time I ever saw Jim Rome's picture,

720
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Speaker 1: I'm like, that's what he looks like. Imagine now listening

721
00:34:48,239 --> 00:34:52,200
Speaker 1: to someone in an audio form and not knowing what

722
00:34:52,239 --> 00:34:55,280
Speaker 1: they look like. The access we have to a visual

723
00:34:55,320 --> 00:34:57,560
Speaker 1: of what a guy looks like is so easy. You

724
00:34:57,600 --> 00:35:00,480
Speaker 1: google them, you go to their Instagram account, basically pull

725
00:35:00,520 --> 00:35:03,399
Speaker 1: up their podcast to their picture. When I was a kid,

726
00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:04,680
Speaker 1: you listened to the radio, You had no clue what

727
00:35:04,680 --> 00:35:08,200
Speaker 1: anyone looked like in talk radio. Obviously musicians you did.

728
00:35:08,920 --> 00:35:12,359
Speaker 1: And timing has changed the world right when it comes

729
00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:15,839
Speaker 1: to Internet and the businesses associated with the Internet. Well,

730
00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:18,960
Speaker 1: when you look at North Carolina like they benefited a

731
00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:21,600
Speaker 1: lot from they're one of the only jobs open right

732
00:35:21,600 --> 00:35:24,960
Speaker 1: now that has a lot of money behind them. And

733
00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:29,600
Speaker 1: Bill Belichick clearly was looking ahead and realizing, I'm probably

734
00:35:29,640 --> 00:35:32,239
Speaker 1: not going to get an NFL job, or it's not

735
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Speaker 1: worth the risk of I might only have one or

736
00:35:34,760 --> 00:35:38,080
Speaker 1: two interviews and there's no guarantee. Im So the old

737
00:35:38,120 --> 00:35:40,160
Speaker 1: adage of bird in the hand is better than two

738
00:35:40,200 --> 00:35:43,279
Speaker 1: in the bush, and he jumped at it. But there

739
00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:46,960
Speaker 1: is no disputing that North Carolina historically is not a

740
00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:50,400
Speaker 1: great college football job. It's not bad. It's had its moments.

741
00:35:50,840 --> 00:35:54,440
Speaker 1: But when you think of top I don't know forty

742
00:35:54,600 --> 00:35:56,799
Speaker 1: college football jobs, I don't even think you would Listen,

743
00:35:56,800 --> 00:36:00,399
Speaker 1: North Carolina. Now the world has changed with nil. There

744
00:36:00,480 --> 00:36:03,280
Speaker 1: is a giant elephant in the room with a massive

745
00:36:03,360 --> 00:36:09,000
Speaker 1: job potentially opening Ryan Day after he lost to Michigan. Listen,

746
00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:11,440
Speaker 1: there were already some question marks. Regardless of what the

747
00:36:11,480 --> 00:36:13,880
Speaker 1: media wanted to tell you. Once he lost that game,

748
00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:17,120
Speaker 1: no one surrounded with that program, alumni, booster or people

749
00:36:17,120 --> 00:36:20,680
Speaker 1: working as chancellors, board of directors or athletic directors could

750
00:36:20,680 --> 00:36:23,600
Speaker 1: look at the guy the same. They just can't. He's

751
00:36:23,640 --> 00:36:26,080
Speaker 1: got a game here in about eight nine days at

752
00:36:26,120 --> 00:36:30,000
Speaker 1: home against Tennessee. If he loses that game, you can't

753
00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:32,520
Speaker 1: convince me that they wouldn't rather have Bill Belichick than

754
00:36:32,560 --> 00:36:35,120
Speaker 1: Ryan Day coaching. Though, here's the problem. You can't fire

755
00:36:35,200 --> 00:36:37,400
Speaker 1: Ryan Day today because you still have this game. But

756
00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:39,080
Speaker 1: there is a very very good chance that if he

757
00:36:39,160 --> 00:36:42,080
Speaker 1: loses that game, you're like, we would have easily fired

758
00:36:42,160 --> 00:36:45,480
Speaker 1: him for Bill Belichick. Now, we'll see as the information

759
00:36:45,600 --> 00:36:48,160
Speaker 1: comes out. Was a huge sticking point for Bill making

760
00:36:48,160 --> 00:36:49,719
Speaker 1: his son the coach in waiting. I don't have this

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00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:52,719
Speaker 1: information at the time I'm recording this. But even if

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00:36:52,719 --> 00:36:55,719
Speaker 1: they wouldn't, you can't convince me if Bill goes because

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00:36:55,719 --> 00:36:58,440
Speaker 1: he's willing to take a college job. Obviously he literally

764
00:36:58,560 --> 00:37:01,520
Speaker 1: just did. He's cool with it. He's all in that

765
00:37:01,600 --> 00:37:04,360
Speaker 1: he wouldn't have taken Ohio State, and Ohio State people

766
00:37:04,360 --> 00:37:07,279
Speaker 1: wouldn't want him over Ryan Day. Because what is the

767
00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:09,560
Speaker 1: big question mark right now with Ohio State. It's not money,

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00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:12,319
Speaker 1: It's not a nil. I just read a report that

769
00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:15,040
Speaker 1: North Carolina. One of their sales pitches the bill was

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Speaker 1: we'll go from four to five million nil. We'll get

771
00:37:17,600 --> 00:37:20,160
Speaker 1: that bad boy up to twenty. Ohio State paid twenty

772
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Speaker 1: this year. Without blinking an eye, I saw the print

773
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Speaker 1: out of the highest paid coaches assistant coaches this year

774
00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:27,640
Speaker 1: in college football.

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00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:29,680
Speaker 3: Two of them won.

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Speaker 1: Ohio State staff Chip Kelly makes two million dollars and

777
00:37:32,640 --> 00:37:34,759
Speaker 1: their defensive coordinator makes about two and a half, so

778
00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:37,919
Speaker 1: as two coordinators make NFL coordinator money. And they also

779
00:37:37,960 --> 00:37:40,279
Speaker 1: have a wide receiver coach who's the recruiting coordinator making

780
00:37:40,360 --> 00:37:42,920
Speaker 1: well over a million. So in terms of staff budget,

781
00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:46,520
Speaker 1: in terms of nil, and in terms of prominence standing

782
00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:50,080
Speaker 1: everything surrounded with it, Ohio State has it all part

783
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Speaker 1: of taking the North Carolina job is Bill, There's gonna

784
00:37:52,680 --> 00:37:54,239
Speaker 1: be some effort. Bill's going to have to put in

785
00:37:54,280 --> 00:37:56,400
Speaker 1: to get the top players. Even with nil and you

786
00:37:56,440 --> 00:37:58,239
Speaker 1: can sign the biggest checks, but it's still gonna take

787
00:37:58,239 --> 00:38:01,279
Speaker 1: some time. Ohio State recruits itself. That has never been

788
00:38:01,320 --> 00:38:03,440
Speaker 1: an issue my entire life. They've always got the best players.

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00:38:04,080 --> 00:38:06,160
Speaker 1: You give them, Bill Belichick, because the question mark with

790
00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:10,240
Speaker 1: the program has been toughness, physicality. Where do they wilt

791
00:38:10,640 --> 00:38:13,200
Speaker 1: when they play Michigan? Why because they're just not as tough.

792
00:38:13,840 --> 00:38:16,239
Speaker 1: It's not in their souls, not in their ethos. What

793
00:38:16,280 --> 00:38:18,760
Speaker 1: do you say when you think Bill Belichick, you think defense?

794
00:38:19,480 --> 00:38:24,520
Speaker 1: That is truly his baby, building a program of tough guys. Honestly,

795
00:38:24,560 --> 00:38:27,880
Speaker 1: when you think his offense, same thing. Tom Brady an

796
00:38:27,920 --> 00:38:33,440
Speaker 1: underrated intangible, he asked, tough motherfucker, Julian Edelman, Logan Mankins,

797
00:38:33,520 --> 00:38:36,439
Speaker 1: Rob Gronkowski, all the guys they had in the early

798
00:38:36,520 --> 00:38:41,840
Speaker 1: the iteration in the early two thousands, tough guys North Carolina.

799
00:38:41,840 --> 00:38:44,000
Speaker 1: I don't know how good he's gonna be, Like, I

800
00:38:44,040 --> 00:38:46,840
Speaker 1: think their team's gonna be, you know, above five hundred

801
00:38:46,920 --> 00:38:48,840
Speaker 1: next year. But I'm not predicting they're making the playoffs

802
00:38:48,920 --> 00:38:50,879
Speaker 1: or anything. I think in the next couple of years

803
00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:53,040
Speaker 1: they are going to be something to be reckoned with.

804
00:38:53,800 --> 00:38:56,200
Speaker 1: But if you put him at Ohio State next year, like,

805
00:38:56,280 --> 00:39:00,760
Speaker 1: what is honestly Bill's biggest advantage. He's smarter at foot everybody.

806
00:39:01,560 --> 00:39:04,520
Speaker 1: Maybe Andy Reid's probably the one guy now who's elevated

807
00:39:04,560 --> 00:39:07,359
Speaker 1: to his level, but Bill's ex's no's ability at every

808
00:39:07,360 --> 00:39:11,000
Speaker 1: position is better than everybody. When you watch Ryan Day,

809
00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:13,200
Speaker 1: it's like, well, he's a pretty good passing game guy,

810
00:39:13,600 --> 00:39:15,520
Speaker 1: but the rest of the team defense little hit or

811
00:39:15,520 --> 00:39:18,840
Speaker 1: miss toughness, definitely hit her miss, and it's like the

812
00:39:18,920 --> 00:39:21,920
Speaker 1: running game since urban Meyer left has just not been

813
00:39:21,960 --> 00:39:25,840
Speaker 1: the same, and it's not because of players. So I

814
00:39:25,960 --> 00:39:28,000
Speaker 1: wonder if Ohio State and listen, there's nothing they could do.

815
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Speaker 1: It's just kind of bad timing. They were a week

816
00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:32,440
Speaker 1: away of why wouldn't they immediately call this guy? Can

817
00:39:32,480 --> 00:39:35,000
Speaker 1: we fire Ryan Day and hire this guy? The problem is,

818
00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:38,320
Speaker 1: as of December eleventh, it would be difficult to fire

819
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Speaker 1: Ryan Day, And I think timing wasn't on their side

820
00:39:41,800 --> 00:39:45,279
Speaker 1: because I wonder if this was a little different that

821
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Speaker 1: you know, if Bill was willing, and there's some pressure

822
00:39:48,320 --> 00:39:50,440
Speaker 1: on Bill to take this job because recruiting the transfer

823
00:39:50,520 --> 00:39:53,719
Speaker 1: portals open. If he was a week away, then he

824
00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:56,239
Speaker 1: could be the head coach at Ohio State. And even

825
00:39:56,280 --> 00:39:58,600
Speaker 1: if they wouldn't acquiesce to your son's the coach and

826
00:39:58,680 --> 00:40:01,640
Speaker 1: waiting well Bill went a national championship, they'd probably let

827
00:40:01,719 --> 00:40:03,080
Speaker 1: him do whatever he wants. You want to make Steve

828
00:40:03,120 --> 00:40:05,120
Speaker 1: the next coach. They literally just did it with Urban Meyer.

829
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Speaker 1: Ryan Day had never done a shit. He'd been a

830
00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:11,480
Speaker 1: position coach coordinator kinda you know, before he got to

831
00:40:11,520 --> 00:40:13,680
Speaker 1: Ohio State a couple of years with Urban boom, he's

832
00:40:13,680 --> 00:40:17,480
Speaker 1: the head coach. So if Belichick were to win a

833
00:40:17,520 --> 00:40:21,000
Speaker 1: title with is what Urban did, they'd be cool with

834
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Speaker 1: letting him hand it off. They literally just did it,

835
00:40:23,120 --> 00:40:25,839
Speaker 1: and for their standards, they wish it was a little better.

836
00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:29,520
Speaker 1: Still not bad, but I wonder if you're an Ohio

837
00:40:29,520 --> 00:40:33,759
Speaker 1: State fan, you go, God, couldn't we just ahead Belichick?

838
00:40:34,520 --> 00:40:36,040
Speaker 1: If I told you right now, if you're an Ohio

839
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Speaker 1: State fan, would you fire Ryan Day today? Even going

840
00:40:39,719 --> 00:40:42,839
Speaker 1: into this playoffs to hire Belichick even if it meant

841
00:40:42,880 --> 00:40:46,200
Speaker 1: losing to Tennessee. Of course, you wouldn't because the reality

842
00:40:46,239 --> 00:40:48,680
Speaker 1: is you might lose that game anyway, and then you'll

843
00:40:48,719 --> 00:40:51,520
Speaker 1: probably be stuck with the guy for another year. And

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Speaker 1: if I also told Michigan, or definitely, if I told

845
00:40:54,800 --> 00:40:58,160
Speaker 1: Michigan Charon Moore, the ad and everyone associated with that program.

846
00:40:58,400 --> 00:41:00,719
Speaker 1: If I told Penn State and James Frank, if I

847
00:41:00,760 --> 00:41:03,280
Speaker 1: told Oregon, if I told Alabama, if I told Georgia,

848
00:41:03,760 --> 00:41:05,400
Speaker 1: would you rather play Ryan Day or would you rather

849
00:41:05,400 --> 00:41:08,960
Speaker 1: play Bill Belichick? Would it take them a second or

850
00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:14,240
Speaker 1: two seconds to answer that question? So massive day for UNC.

851
00:41:15,160 --> 00:41:16,880
Speaker 1: And if I was an Oho State fan, I'd be like,

852
00:41:17,360 --> 00:41:21,080
Speaker 1: so Pelichick's cool with coming to college, Like he's actually

853
00:41:21,080 --> 00:41:23,719
Speaker 1: doing the jump and we're stuck with Ryan Day and

854
00:41:23,800 --> 00:41:27,320
Speaker 1: Chip Kelly and we might lose it home in a

855
00:41:27,360 --> 00:41:30,799
Speaker 1: week to Tennessee. After Michigan just beat us, when their

856
00:41:30,840 --> 00:41:34,400
Speaker 1: quarterback through for sixty yards, it's gotta suck. Talk to

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00:41:34,400 --> 00:41:39,640
Speaker 1: you guys soon. The volume