WEBVTT - Draft Show: Let's Get Crazy 0:00:04.840 --> 0:00:07.360 The following. He's a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com 0:00:07.400 --> 0:00:17.239 and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. This is the Dallas 0:00:17.239 --> 0:00:22.239 Cowboys dot Com Draft Show, your war room for incenter 0:00:22.320 --> 0:00:28.360 news and draft analysis. I was running back from Florida 0:00:31.560 --> 0:00:34.519 for this matter. How many marketing views you do? This? 0:00:34.760 --> 0:00:36.720 This is the real you know, being able to grow 0:00:36.760 --> 0:00:39.360 up fast, you know, going to a smaller school, also 0:00:39.400 --> 0:00:40.920 being able to grow fast, having a sen at a 0:00:41.000 --> 0:00:43.280 young young age. So I think everything when you take 0:00:43.640 --> 0:00:45.479 you know, different things like I didn't put in the ball, 0:00:45.560 --> 0:00:47.040 You mix it up. That's what that's That's where all 0:00:47.080 --> 0:00:49.360 the hunger comes from. It's very special. You know, this 0:00:49.440 --> 0:00:51.080 is something I've always wanted to do ever since i 0:00:51.120 --> 0:00:53.479 was a kid. Um. I watched my dad play in 0:00:53.479 --> 0:00:55.240 the league for fourteen years, and I knew at a 0:00:55.320 --> 0:00:56.880 young age this is what I wanted to do in 0:00:56.920 --> 0:00:59.360 my life. And it's just a real feeling just to 0:00:59.400 --> 0:01:01.920 be here right now. So I'm just excited and I'm 0:01:02.080 --> 0:01:06.640 doing the process. So far, it's all business here in Indianapolis. 0:01:06.720 --> 0:01:11.360 Is the twenty twenty NFL Scouting Combine is rolling on, 0:01:11.480 --> 0:01:14.880 and so is the Dallas Cowboys dot Com Draft Show 0:01:14.959 --> 0:01:19.600 live from Radio row inside the Indiana Convention Center, Kyle 0:01:19.680 --> 0:01:23.560 Yeoman's Dave Hellman back again with the athletics Dane Brugler, 0:01:23.600 --> 0:01:26.280 and we came in with a couple of soundbites from 0:01:26.280 --> 0:01:29.720 the final media session. This is our final show of 0:01:29.760 --> 0:01:32.280 the week. It's a little bit bitter sweet, and it's 0:01:32.319 --> 0:01:34.360 more bitter, I feel like than sweet because it's been 0:01:34.560 --> 0:01:37.360 a great week of information. It's been a long week, 0:01:37.920 --> 0:01:39.959 a lot of hard work, a lot of grind, but man, 0:01:41.120 --> 0:01:42.880 it just kind of speaks to the fact that the 0:01:43.280 --> 0:01:46.720 NFL combine coming to a close as we speak, really 0:01:46.760 --> 0:01:48.640 over the next couple of days, and then it's that 0:01:48.720 --> 0:01:51.040 next step going forward to the draft. And we talked 0:01:51.080 --> 0:01:53.880 about all week how the schedule was different, and never 0:01:54.360 --> 0:01:56.520 never felt that way as much as it did last 0:01:56.600 --> 0:02:00.280 night being in the stadium last night watching these drills, 0:02:00.400 --> 0:02:03.720 and it's just like, gosh, that should be. This is different. 0:02:03.720 --> 0:02:05.520 It's ten o'clock at night, I'm here watching a forty 0:02:05.560 --> 0:02:09.119 yard dash when usually every year at ten o'clock you're 0:02:09.520 --> 0:02:11.960 you're out, you're mingling, you're doing different things, and so 0:02:12.040 --> 0:02:14.400 a little different this year. And tonight will be day 0:02:14.440 --> 0:02:17.959 two of the workouts. What offensive line running backs tonight 0:02:18.280 --> 0:02:20.520 and then we'll get into defense Saturday and Sunday night, 0:02:20.560 --> 0:02:25.000 so should be interesting. Which, yeah, Dane has ways about him, 0:02:25.200 --> 0:02:28.400 so he actually was watching the four yea. But gotta 0:02:28.400 --> 0:02:30.760 have ways. You gotta have ways in this industry. But 0:02:30.880 --> 0:02:33.920 it was weird because, like, you know, we y'all went 0:02:33.960 --> 0:02:36.480 to dinner. I stopped by to say hi to some 0:02:36.520 --> 0:02:40.200 friends nearby, and like the bars are all running the drills, 0:02:40.240 --> 0:02:41.960 Like all of the people that are here to cover 0:02:42.000 --> 0:02:44.519 the drills are like out getting drinks and food and 0:02:44.960 --> 0:02:47.400 looking up at the TV like, oh wow, yeah, that's 0:02:47.480 --> 0:02:49.760 that's going on right now. That's what we're here for. 0:02:50.880 --> 0:02:53.560 It was very bizarre because typically that's happening like around 0:02:53.600 --> 0:02:56.200 this time of day. Then you go out and let 0:02:56.240 --> 0:02:59.520 off some steam later, but like kind of multitasking between 0:03:00.080 --> 0:03:02.840 drinking the beer and watching the draft drills. It was. Yeah, 0:03:02.880 --> 0:03:05.160 it's a little surreal. And you tweeted out last night 0:03:05.440 --> 0:03:08.280 on your Twitter count at Helman DC you said you 0:03:08.320 --> 0:03:10.880 were watching the Titanic. That was it the first time 0:03:10.960 --> 0:03:14.520 the boat sinks? Yeah? Jack dies um did he have 0:03:14.520 --> 0:03:16.400 fit on the door? I thought you were talking about 0:03:16.800 --> 0:03:20.400 quintess Is forty times? Was that it did, so you 0:03:20.400 --> 0:03:22.839 were actually talking about the movie. So, okay, I'm out, 0:03:22.880 --> 0:03:24.880 I'm out, you know, I'm out getting some drinks and 0:03:25.040 --> 0:03:27.040 saying hi to some friends, grabbing some dinner, and then 0:03:27.120 --> 0:03:30.600 like literally I probably didn't leave the bar till ten thirty, 0:03:30.600 --> 0:03:32.239 but I walked back to my hotel is like, I'll 0:03:32.240 --> 0:03:34.120 watch the rest all you know, there's only like twenty 0:03:34.120 --> 0:03:36.360 minutes left. I'll watch the end in my room. And 0:03:36.520 --> 0:03:40.320 the hotel didn't get so like there was nothing I 0:03:40.360 --> 0:03:43.800 couldn't watch, so naturally, so I was like, well, Titanics on, 0:03:43.880 --> 0:03:45.960 so ill for that on? Wow? Wow? Well, I mean 0:03:46.000 --> 0:03:48.160 that's one way to spend your first night of It 0:03:48.200 --> 0:03:49.560 was a weird night, That's what I'm saying. It was 0:03:49.560 --> 0:03:50.920 a weird night. But I think I caught up in 0:03:50.960 --> 0:03:54.119 the morning. Oh absolutely. You can always find ways nowadays 0:03:54.160 --> 0:03:56.160 to get right back caught up, and we did and 0:03:56.280 --> 0:03:59.120 do D do so with those trills last night, there 0:03:59.120 --> 0:04:01.080 were some stand out and of course you're going to 0:04:01.120 --> 0:04:03.000 see some of that with the wide receiver group. The 0:04:03.080 --> 0:04:06.320 quarterbacks going last night as well tight ends a big 0:04:06.320 --> 0:04:08.240 part of that, but kind of on the back burner 0:04:08.280 --> 0:04:10.800 when it comes to the guys who stole the show 0:04:11.120 --> 0:04:13.760 going into it, Henry Runk's the third wide receiver round 0:04:13.760 --> 0:04:16.760 of Alabama. What was his forty time? And that was 0:04:16.800 --> 0:04:19.080 the headline, That was what we were all watching for. 0:04:19.960 --> 0:04:22.159 But there were a couple of guys that stood out, 0:04:22.200 --> 0:04:25.080 a Chase Claypool out of Notre Dame, Denzel Mims out 0:04:25.080 --> 0:04:26.719 of Baylor. But I want to ask you, guys before 0:04:26.720 --> 0:04:29.680 we get too far into it, what was last night's 0:04:29.920 --> 0:04:33.040 best storyline for you? For me, it was and I'm 0:04:33.040 --> 0:04:36.240 gonna steal your lsu to sorry, Oh it sounds better 0:04:36.279 --> 0:04:40.880 coming from you. Yeah. Justin Jefferson And I think I 0:04:40.960 --> 0:04:44.560 called him Jordan Jefferson about ten times, but Justin Jefferson, 0:04:45.040 --> 0:04:47.919 not his older brother. He to me he was the 0:04:47.920 --> 0:04:50.520 winner of the night. And you know, it's not like 0:04:50.600 --> 0:04:52.599 he's coming out of nowhere. I mean, he was already 0:04:52.720 --> 0:04:57.040 considered a possible first round pick, but going in I 0:04:57.080 --> 0:04:59.080 thought that he Look, this is a guy that is 0:04:59.120 --> 0:05:02.560 not a true burn. He wins with savvy with it. 0:05:02.680 --> 0:05:05.720 As a seasoned route runner, he can win at the stem. 0:05:05.760 --> 0:05:07.480 He can create his own space, and that's what makes 0:05:07.560 --> 0:05:10.640 him such a dynamic player, not just necessarily running by 0:05:10.760 --> 0:05:13.960 guys and so I was thinking low four fives would 0:05:14.000 --> 0:05:15.760 be a great time for him. And he goes out 0:05:15.760 --> 0:05:17.640 and runs a four four three and the forty yard 0:05:17.720 --> 0:05:20.400 dash was moving. But it's not only that, it was 0:05:20.560 --> 0:05:22.680 the gauntlet. The gauntlet I mentioned this before, is my 0:05:22.720 --> 0:05:26.120 favorite drill the entire week. There's just no hiding. I mean, 0:05:26.160 --> 0:05:29.080 he's fast and furious. You're going this way, this way, 0:05:29.120 --> 0:05:34.120 this way, no drops. Jefferson was clean, efficient, He was 0:05:34.200 --> 0:05:38.040 outstanding in that drill. I thought to me, Jefferson was 0:05:38.120 --> 0:05:40.760 the big winner of the night just watching with my eyes, 0:05:40.960 --> 0:05:43.719 which I mean I completely agree. Yeah, like I said, 0:05:43.720 --> 0:05:45.440 it sounds worse coming from me. I mean, I've been 0:05:45.480 --> 0:05:47.840 watching the guy for two years. He's incredible. He's natural, 0:05:48.240 --> 0:05:51.400 amazing route runner, He's so smooth, like everything he does 0:05:51.520 --> 0:05:55.280 is so effortless. But even me, the worst ellas you, Homer, 0:05:55.320 --> 0:05:59.120 you've ever met, Like, I'm like, you know, top sixties 0:05:59.160 --> 0:06:02.080 a cool range for him. If he can get drafted 0:06:02.080 --> 0:06:04.640 between somewhere in forty and sixty, that would be great. 0:06:05.160 --> 0:06:08.160 And now experts like Dane are telling me he might 0:06:08.200 --> 0:06:10.719 be gone by pick twenty five, and I just I 0:06:10.760 --> 0:06:14.039 didn't see that coming. So good for him. Um, it 0:06:14.120 --> 0:06:16.200 was real quick. It's just the we talked about how 0:06:16.240 --> 0:06:19.239 the top tier of the receivers would be Judy, lamb 0:06:19.839 --> 0:06:22.920 Uh and Rugs and then take your pick right, and 0:06:22.920 --> 0:06:25.400 but then that second tier I think, I mean, I 0:06:25.400 --> 0:06:27.919 think you start with him, you know, I think really 0:06:28.800 --> 0:06:30.520 him at the top of that last I think there 0:06:30.600 --> 0:06:35.960 is a strong Chanaul Higgins, greg Or, I you. I mean, 0:06:35.960 --> 0:06:37.680 you can make cases for a lot of these guys. 0:06:38.279 --> 0:06:40.320 You can make a strong case for Jefferson. And then 0:06:40.320 --> 0:06:42.520 the case was on the field last night working out, 0:06:42.560 --> 0:06:44.919 which I think I said that at this top of 0:06:44.960 --> 0:06:47.839 the week is like somebody who were not really talking 0:06:47.880 --> 0:06:51.320 about will enter the conversation. And if you follow the draft, 0:06:51.360 --> 0:06:54.880 you know who Justin Jefferson is. But again nobody is talking. 0:06:54.920 --> 0:06:57.680 Nobody had him in that kind of little gaggle of 0:06:57.720 --> 0:06:59.760 receivers at the top. And now you're telling me he 0:06:59.839 --> 0:07:01.919 might be the fourth receiver off the board. That's amazing. 0:07:01.960 --> 0:07:03.920 And I think that's kind of goes to the intrigue 0:07:03.960 --> 0:07:06.520 around this wide receiver class because there are those top 0:07:06.560 --> 0:07:08.480 guys which all the eyes are gonna be on. They 0:07:08.480 --> 0:07:10.320 were last night, they will continue all the way up 0:07:10.320 --> 0:07:12.960 into the draft. Then you got that big group of 0:07:13.000 --> 0:07:16.040 receivers in the second tier, and that's really kind of 0:07:16.080 --> 0:07:19.280 the at least the quotations around its second tier. But 0:07:19.640 --> 0:07:22.160 they were all so close together that I think that's 0:07:22.160 --> 0:07:24.680 where you'll see the majority of the movement. Like a 0:07:24.720 --> 0:07:28.320 guy like Justin Jefferson and then a guy like Denzel 0:07:28.400 --> 0:07:31.400 Mims who's now getting thrusted into that conversation as well. 0:07:31.440 --> 0:07:33.520 I was gonna throw mems out there. I mean, he 0:07:33.600 --> 0:07:36.040 killed it. He was awesome in the forty, awesome in 0:07:36.080 --> 0:07:39.520 the three cone. Yeah, so athletic. Another Texas guy who 0:07:39.560 --> 0:07:42.320 I you know, um, Devin DuVernay. Yeah you're if you're 0:07:42.360 --> 0:07:45.360 back in Texas listening to this. Kat was happy last ye. 0:07:45.560 --> 0:07:48.240 I mean he was right behind if I've got my 0:07:48.560 --> 0:07:51.040 results right, he was right behind Henry Ruggs in terms 0:07:51.040 --> 0:07:54.000 of fastest forty right him, and he was top five. Yeah, 0:07:54.160 --> 0:07:56.000 oh you're right, so he was fifth. Yeah there, God, 0:07:56.000 --> 0:07:58.600 there are some burners out there. Yeah, I'll be honest 0:07:58.600 --> 0:08:02.320 with you, though, disappointed in Duverney with some of the 0:08:02.360 --> 0:08:05.720 catching stuff, the field work, fought the ball a little bit, 0:08:05.960 --> 0:08:09.080 but the agility stuff, the speed stuff, he was outstanding. Yeah. 0:08:09.120 --> 0:08:11.080 See and That's kind of what we talked about previously 0:08:11.120 --> 0:08:14.160 when bringing up Davin DuVernay is on film it almost 0:08:14.200 --> 0:08:17.320 looks like he glides. He almost doesn't look like he's 0:08:17.440 --> 0:08:21.320 going one hundred percent. Now I'm not saying he's sandbags 0:08:21.320 --> 0:08:23.440 in the game, because I don't think that's necessarily the case, 0:08:23.480 --> 0:08:25.760 but we were kind of interested going into it to 0:08:25.800 --> 0:08:27.960 see what kind of speed and agility that he had, 0:08:28.000 --> 0:08:30.520 because that was one of the knocks on his film was, Hey, 0:08:30.520 --> 0:08:33.280 he doesn't necessarily look like he's running around people out there, 0:08:33.480 --> 0:08:35.240 and as a slot guy in the NFL, you kind 0:08:35.240 --> 0:08:37.199 of have to have some of that at some point 0:08:37.559 --> 0:08:39.360 to have that speed. While he came out and ran 0:08:39.960 --> 0:08:42.319 a really nice forty and looked good and the agility wise, 0:08:42.360 --> 0:08:45.280 that's why it was interesting that he did struggle catchwise though. 0:08:45.559 --> 0:08:48.520 That's a guy who really one of the best parts 0:08:48.559 --> 0:08:50.800 about his game in college was the fact he didn't 0:08:50.840 --> 0:08:52.920 have a whole lot of drops and he had those surehands, right. 0:08:53.320 --> 0:08:55.760 But if you watch the tape, it's you know, I 0:08:55.800 --> 0:08:58.040 think they used him as basically then extension or the 0:08:58.120 --> 0:09:01.080 run game. You know, a lot of screen and I 0:09:01.120 --> 0:09:04.120 think he tracks the ball well naturally, just over his shoulder. 0:09:04.320 --> 0:09:06.000 But there were a few times, uh you know, the 0:09:06.000 --> 0:09:08.959 corner stuff, but the back shoulder stuff where he struggled 0:09:09.000 --> 0:09:11.280 a little bit. We haded just his body and it's 0:09:11.400 --> 0:09:14.200 it's one workout. Um, you know, I think it's not 0:09:14.320 --> 0:09:17.440 like it's changing as great at all, but it was. 0:09:17.520 --> 0:09:19.000 It was kind of he was the opposite of like 0:09:19.000 --> 0:09:22.559 a quintest cephist who ran terribly ran in the four sevens, 0:09:22.559 --> 0:09:24.560 but you could see his basketball background with the way 0:09:24.559 --> 0:09:27.199 he would snatch the football and so a little different, 0:09:27.280 --> 0:09:29.959 you know, contrast with those two guys. I've got one 0:09:30.000 --> 0:09:31.760 that I want to throw your way, who he was 0:09:31.800 --> 0:09:35.160 definitely a winner last night, but I'm sure and this 0:09:35.200 --> 0:09:37.280 is a conversation that's happening on Twitter, so I'm gonna 0:09:37.280 --> 0:09:42.760 borrow from that. But the Golden Domer, Yeah, mister Claypool, Yeah, 0:09:42.840 --> 0:09:47.480 Chase Claypool six four two thirty eight, goes out last night, 0:09:47.800 --> 0:09:52.640 runs a four four two jumps forty one inches, just 0:09:52.679 --> 0:09:55.280 looks like an all around freak at two thirty eight. 0:09:55.360 --> 0:09:58.760 That's ridiculous, are we talking? I mean, is this guy 0:09:59.040 --> 0:10:00.760 the best tight end in the lass and we're just 0:10:01.040 --> 0:10:03.800 we don't realize that yet. I don't get why there's 0:10:03.840 --> 0:10:07.000 a tight end discussion. I mean, he's because it seems 0:10:07.040 --> 0:10:09.560 like he could do it. I mean, and again again, 0:10:09.840 --> 0:10:12.560 you got to readjust the conversation like, no, he's not 0:10:13.320 --> 0:10:16.040 he's not Martellis Bennett, like he's not gonna maul people 0:10:16.040 --> 0:10:18.120 in the run game. But why I put his hand 0:10:18.160 --> 0:10:20.240 on the ground and when you know, I mean I 0:10:20.240 --> 0:10:21.840 think he could be like a big slot. I think 0:10:21.880 --> 0:10:23.560 that'd be great. You know, I think he's a pass 0:10:23.600 --> 0:10:26.120 catcher first and foremost, and so I'm not going to 0:10:26.160 --> 0:10:28.120 put him in line or you know, I think he 0:10:28.120 --> 0:10:32.680 could play across the formation inside outside, And this is 0:10:32.679 --> 0:10:35.880 a case where the receiver tight end lines they're very 0:10:35.960 --> 0:10:39.000 blurred because you know, I could see it. I understand 0:10:39.080 --> 0:10:41.280 why someone would suggest that. But he'd be more of 0:10:42.320 --> 0:10:44.560 you know, the Evan Ingram, the you know, more of 0:10:44.600 --> 0:10:48.200 that slot guy more so than a traditional tight end 0:10:48.240 --> 0:10:51.160 with kind of how we associate these tight ends. And 0:10:51.240 --> 0:10:53.360 I think I would probably agree more with you, Dan, 0:10:53.440 --> 0:10:56.400 And I think last night proved that there really shouldn't 0:10:56.440 --> 0:10:58.480 be that much of a conversation when it comes to 0:10:58.920 --> 0:11:01.319 Claypool going to time it end. I mean, we've had 0:11:01.320 --> 0:11:03.959 that conversation before, whether it be on Twitter, and I 0:11:03.960 --> 0:11:05.520 don't know if we've talked about it actually on the 0:11:05.559 --> 0:11:07.960 show yet, but maybe off air talking about, hey, is 0:11:07.960 --> 0:11:10.080 this a guy that just fits more into that mold, 0:11:10.360 --> 0:11:13.360 could be more successful up on the line of scrimmage 0:11:13.440 --> 0:11:17.080 rather than out wide as a wide receiver. I think 0:11:17.160 --> 0:11:19.000 last night he kind of showed I should be a 0:11:19.040 --> 0:11:21.439 wide receiver a lot. When you see that two forty, 0:11:21.600 --> 0:11:25.160 that's that's what your your mind immediately understandably goes to. Well, 0:11:25.280 --> 0:11:27.439 say the same thing about Colin Johnson too, though, right, 0:11:28.000 --> 0:11:31.000 you know, is he outgrowing the position? And you know, 0:11:31.040 --> 0:11:34.720 I think but with that athletic profile, um, you know, 0:11:34.840 --> 0:11:39.040 I I'd rather keep him in the slot or outside, 0:11:39.160 --> 0:11:42.400 let him you know, match up with some of these uh, 0:11:42.480 --> 0:11:44.920 you know, undersized corners. And I think the big thing too, 0:11:45.200 --> 0:11:47.800 Chase Claypool and I wrote about this, there's there's gonna 0:11:47.800 --> 0:11:50.240 be a lot of special teams coaches banging on the 0:11:50.280 --> 0:11:52.760 table saying let's draft him because we want him on 0:11:52.800 --> 0:11:56.559 special teams. The toughness, the power, and that speed coming 0:11:56.559 --> 0:11:59.040 down on coverages. He had twenty five tackles at Notre 0:11:59.080 --> 0:12:01.600 Dame over his career. We know he can do it. Um. 0:12:01.960 --> 0:12:05.319 I think that definitely. And when you have such a 0:12:05.360 --> 0:12:07.680 stacked group of these guys and they're there, it's a 0:12:07.679 --> 0:12:11.000 little crowded. The more you can do, the more value 0:12:11.040 --> 0:12:12.600 that you offer. And so that's why a guy like 0:12:12.720 --> 0:12:15.440 Chase Claypool, at the very worst, I think you're talking 0:12:15.480 --> 0:12:19.400 about a fourth receiver special teams stand out, and at 0:12:19.440 --> 0:12:21.360 the at the best, you're talking about a guys stepping 0:12:21.400 --> 0:12:23.120 as a starter and be a featured weapon for you. 0:12:23.480 --> 0:12:26.000 Let's talk quarterbacks. Last night, we saw some of the 0:12:26.040 --> 0:12:28.840 quarterbacks throwing it around. Now the top names, of course, 0:12:28.920 --> 0:12:32.200 Ta and Joe Burrow not a part of it, but 0:12:32.240 --> 0:12:34.520 we saw Justin Herbert go out there and throw the 0:12:34.520 --> 0:12:37.320 football around, Jordan Love who caught some eyes as well. 0:12:37.960 --> 0:12:40.199 Jacob Eason, I thought had kind of a good night 0:12:40.280 --> 0:12:43.920 overall quarterback wise. But there's there's those guys out in 0:12:43.960 --> 0:12:46.520 this quarterback class that had a chance last night to 0:12:46.679 --> 0:12:50.000 show some speed and agility off but also show off 0:12:50.040 --> 0:12:52.000 the arms as well. Who stood out to you in 0:12:52.040 --> 0:12:55.880 the first night of drills. Eason, that ball just really 0:12:56.000 --> 0:12:58.560 think you hear it. It's just it cuts through the 0:12:58.800 --> 0:13:01.040 through the air like it's like it's nothing, it's it's crazy. 0:13:01.640 --> 0:13:03.079 But he was a little off at first. It took 0:13:03.120 --> 0:13:04.920 him a little while to settle in, and you could 0:13:04.920 --> 0:13:07.880 see that in some of the drills starts with Herbert 0:13:07.920 --> 0:13:10.320 and Love. Both of these guys, I don't think either 0:13:10.400 --> 0:13:13.120 of them did anything that would change your opinion based 0:13:13.160 --> 0:13:15.520 on twenty four hours ago. Forty eight hours ago. I 0:13:15.520 --> 0:13:17.560 thought both were outstanding and both should be in that 0:13:17.600 --> 0:13:20.160 type of setting. So it was not a surprise to 0:13:20.160 --> 0:13:24.800 see both those guys play performed well during the throwing portion. 0:13:26.480 --> 0:13:28.840 You know, I think that From it is the opposite 0:13:28.880 --> 0:13:31.640 of the Easton conversation. We mentioned this on last show, 0:13:32.080 --> 0:13:34.360 how going back to back and the stark difference in 0:13:34.520 --> 0:13:37.480 velocity and but at the same time, while there was 0:13:37.520 --> 0:13:40.280 a stark difference, From was a lot more accurate. He 0:13:40.320 --> 0:13:42.040 did a better job with the chemistry and the timing 0:13:42.120 --> 0:13:45.160 of the throws. He just the ball loses life. I 0:13:45.160 --> 0:13:48.120 thought Jalen Hurts, he performed well in the you know, 0:13:48.320 --> 0:13:50.800 in the forty yard dash and the agility stuff. But 0:13:50.880 --> 0:13:53.040 my biggest questions with Jalen Hurts, You're just not going 0:13:53.080 --> 0:13:55.120 to figure out. You're not gonna have those questions answered 0:13:55.200 --> 0:13:57.559 in a setting like that, and that's you know, anticipation, 0:13:57.720 --> 0:14:00.400 holding the ball too long, reading defenses. You know, it's 0:14:00.440 --> 0:14:03.000 great that Jalen Hurts did what he did, but my 0:14:03.160 --> 0:14:06.440 questions from tape are still kind of unanswered. Um, you know, 0:14:06.640 --> 0:14:07.760 he's not gonna be able to show that in a 0:14:07.840 --> 0:14:11.280 setting like the Combine. I agree with that, do you also? 0:14:11.520 --> 0:14:13.640 I think you could say something similar about a guy 0:14:13.679 --> 0:14:17.440 like Eson. Definitely in the sense that, like this type 0:14:17.440 --> 0:14:20.480 of stuff is designed to show off, you know, just 0:14:20.560 --> 0:14:22.480 how rare his arm talent is and stuff like that. 0:14:22.640 --> 0:14:26.920 Like his problem is decision making, seeing things, anticipating things, 0:14:27.280 --> 0:14:30.720 and so he can go out there and throw as 0:14:30.920 --> 0:14:33.400 beautiful ball as he wants to. It doesn't really make 0:14:33.440 --> 0:14:35.720 me think any more highly of him because I've seen 0:14:35.800 --> 0:14:39.000 some of the very very questionable things that he does 0:14:39.120 --> 0:14:41.920 during live action. Very very fair. He is a bigger 0:14:42.440 --> 0:14:46.040 slower emphasis on slower Stafford. I mean, that's just who 0:14:46.040 --> 0:14:49.240 he is. And but can he do enough to negotiate 0:14:49.320 --> 0:14:52.480 that pocket and under pressure make the reads and make 0:14:52.480 --> 0:14:54.800 the throws. Yeah, you're right, that's something that I don't 0:14:54.840 --> 0:14:57.080 think we were going to figure out until any Even 0:14:57.120 --> 0:15:00.400 if he this is where the debate gets about sitting 0:15:00.400 --> 0:15:02.720 a quarterback or playing him like, you know, you could 0:15:02.720 --> 0:15:04.640 sit him, but is he really going to gain the 0:15:04.680 --> 0:15:08.040 experience needed to learn that and become better in that area. 0:15:08.080 --> 0:15:09.840 And that's why a lot of people were telling him 0:15:09.880 --> 0:15:12.600 go back to school for your senior year because the 0:15:12.720 --> 0:15:15.480 NFL's you know, it's not a developmental league, it's it'll 0:15:15.560 --> 0:15:18.880 eat up, spitch out if you don't have this stuff. So, yeah, 0:15:18.880 --> 0:15:23.080 he Easton is a very very intriguing player who I'm 0:15:23.160 --> 0:15:25.440 gonna guess he goes in the second round just because 0:15:25.480 --> 0:15:28.880 the arm talent is so special. Yeah, but um yeah, 0:15:28.960 --> 0:15:31.480 there's a lot of you know, buyer beware with him. 0:15:31.560 --> 0:15:34.800 He had the highest velocity on the straight line speed 0:15:34.840 --> 0:15:38.120 throw last night. Correct, he was second. He was sixty two, 0:15:38.280 --> 0:15:41.000 and then Nate Stanley from Iowa had sixty three. I 0:15:41.080 --> 0:15:43.160 know we were we were right around that that top 0:15:43.240 --> 0:15:45.360 mark in terms of that, right, Does it make a 0:15:45.400 --> 0:15:47.520 difference when you look at those two guys, if we're 0:15:47.560 --> 0:15:50.960 comparing From and Easton and kind of looking at those 0:15:51.000 --> 0:15:53.720 two back back to back, does it make a difference. 0:15:53.720 --> 0:15:57.400 The fact that From has had a significant amount of 0:15:57.440 --> 0:16:00.320 more starts and experience at the college level where than 0:16:00.720 --> 0:16:04.400 Easton during his time starting. Yeah, it's almost it was 0:16:04.560 --> 0:16:07.040 a vast difference in terms of the amount of starts 0:16:07.040 --> 0:16:09.320 and the record that has had between the two. And 0:16:09.360 --> 0:16:11.520 I think you know that both these guys they're not 0:16:11.520 --> 0:16:14.360 gonna be for everybody. Um, you know, from you need 0:16:14.440 --> 0:16:17.320 more of a West Coast offense that's going to emphasize 0:16:17.640 --> 0:16:20.800 timing and rhythm and quick throws, and he needs talent 0:16:20.840 --> 0:16:23.680 around him to be successful. There's no question where Easton's 0:16:23.720 --> 0:16:27.400 more of the traditional prototype, but he doesn't have a 0:16:27.400 --> 0:16:29.280 lot of that experience. He played as a freshman and 0:16:29.280 --> 0:16:32.080 then missing two years and played this past year. Washington 0:16:32.160 --> 0:16:34.440 did some nice things got better throughout the year as 0:16:34.440 --> 0:16:37.400 he kind of got a little more seasoned with everything, 0:16:37.440 --> 0:16:41.280 but he's still the development's not there, and so where 0:16:41.360 --> 0:16:43.600 is he mentally in his development? And is there room 0:16:43.640 --> 0:16:45.720 to grow? That's the big thing that's the toughest part 0:16:45.720 --> 0:16:49.080 about quarterbacks. From He's probably close to his ceiling in 0:16:49.200 --> 0:16:51.920 terms of what he's going to be, but Easton's a 0:16:51.920 --> 0:16:54.400 little more tougher to figure out how close is east 0:16:54.440 --> 0:16:56.160 into a ceiling? I mean, is he kind of just 0:16:56.240 --> 0:16:58.640 he is who he is, or is he really going 0:16:58.680 --> 0:17:01.440 to develop. And that's you know, Joe Burrow, perfect example, 0:17:01.520 --> 0:17:04.760 who who thought he had as much of a room 0:17:04.800 --> 0:17:06.800 to grow as he did. You know, I mean they 0:17:06.800 --> 0:17:09.760 were calling Burrow a day three pick. Yeah, I don't. 0:17:09.960 --> 0:17:12.560 I don't know anybody that had a no top or 0:17:12.680 --> 0:17:14.720 day one or day two pick on Joe Burrow. I 0:17:14.720 --> 0:17:18.360 mean talking because that's I spend my summer's trading information 0:17:18.400 --> 0:17:22.640 with teams, with agents, with scouts, everybody, and um, not 0:17:22.800 --> 0:17:25.240 one person the highest grade I heard on on Burrow 0:17:25.280 --> 0:17:27.359 with a fourth round grade. Wow. So I mean that 0:17:27.359 --> 0:17:30.200 that's just and that's a rare case. You know, we're 0:17:30.200 --> 0:17:32.960 not gonna get that every year. And but it's really 0:17:32.960 --> 0:17:36.320 speaks to the fact that the quarterback position remains the 0:17:36.440 --> 0:17:41.840 toughest position to evaluate. So quarterbacks, tight ends or quarterbacks 0:17:41.840 --> 0:17:44.080 wide receivers. Let's talk about those tight ends. We had 0:17:44.119 --> 0:17:48.439 one last night, Chase Claypool. Not Chase Claypool, No know 0:17:48.520 --> 0:17:50.200 that in there? Yeah? How about how about some other 0:17:50.200 --> 0:17:53.399 guys Albert Oh last night running a four four nine 0:17:54.160 --> 0:17:58.160 or two? Uh? Okay, Albert Oh, Adam Surrey, Aine's gonna 0:17:58.160 --> 0:18:01.680 know uku Way Bunan that that's good, pretty good, pretty good. 0:18:01.680 --> 0:18:05.040 I googled it, so kua buonam or what would you 0:18:05.080 --> 0:18:09.040 say it as m Alberto? Yeah, you're not gonna say it. 0:18:10.160 --> 0:18:12.080 But he goes out runs a four four nine And 0:18:12.119 --> 0:18:14.240 it was one of the quicker times we've seen as 0:18:14.240 --> 0:18:17.720 a tight end over the past couple of years or 0:18:17.800 --> 0:18:21.119 really all time honestly in the combine and UH showed 0:18:21.119 --> 0:18:23.000 off some of the skills out there as well. But 0:18:23.040 --> 0:18:24.919 what did you guys think from the tight end position? 0:18:26.000 --> 0:18:28.080 Have you you looked at Alberto coming in right? I 0:18:28.480 --> 0:18:30.640 have not seen something of Alberto. I only know that, 0:18:30.720 --> 0:18:35.840 like his production dropped off pretty heavily because Missouri's disaster, 0:18:35.920 --> 0:18:38.199 well and even since his ruture freshman year, because that's 0:18:38.200 --> 0:18:41.080 when you really UM kind of put himself on the radar. 0:18:41.240 --> 0:18:44.000 I think it's like a double digit touchdown catches that 0:18:44.119 --> 0:18:46.840 UH and really kind of said, hey, I'm the guy 0:18:46.840 --> 0:18:48.879 you need to know. In the last two years, he 0:18:49.000 --> 0:18:52.560 was kind of a little disappointing. UM, but he doesn't play. 0:18:52.640 --> 0:18:55.280 And I think I mentioned this last show, the ninety 0:18:55.320 --> 0:19:00.200 ten rule. You know, should meet expectations, they're probably gonna 0:19:00.200 --> 0:19:02.880 be about ten percent that surprised you. And he's part 0:19:02.920 --> 0:19:04.840 of that ten percent with a four four nine because 0:19:04.840 --> 0:19:07.280 he doesn't play that fast. Now sometimes on the you know, 0:19:07.280 --> 0:19:09.159 on the vertical stuff, you know, he can stretch the 0:19:09.200 --> 0:19:12.280 seam a little bit when he can just run, But 0:19:12.359 --> 0:19:15.080 when you ask him to, uh, you know, make cuts 0:19:15.160 --> 0:19:16.840 and in and out of his breaks, that's where you 0:19:16.880 --> 0:19:19.560