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Speaker 1: Is the twenty twenty NFL Scouting Combine is rolling on,
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Speaker 1: live from Radio row inside the Indiana Convention Center, Kyle
Speaker 1: Yeoman's Dave Hellman back again with the athletics Dane Brugler,
Speaker 1: and we came in with a couple of soundbites from
Speaker 1: the final media session. This is our final show of
Speaker 1: the week. It's a little bit bitter sweet, and it's
Speaker 1: more bitter, I feel like than sweet because it's been
Speaker 1: a great week of information. It's been a long week,
Speaker 1: a lot of hard work, a lot of grind, but man,
Speaker 1: it just kind of speaks to the fact that the
Speaker 1: NFL combine coming to a close as we speak, really
Speaker 1: over the next couple of days, and then it's that
Speaker 1: next step going forward to the draft. And we talked
Speaker 1: about all week how the schedule was different, and never
Speaker 1: never felt that way as much as it did last
Speaker 1: night being in the stadium last night watching these drills,
Speaker 1: and it's just like, gosh, that should be. This is different.
Speaker 1: It's ten o'clock at night, I'm here watching a forty
Speaker 1: yard dash when usually every year at ten o'clock you're
Speaker 1: you're out, you're mingling, you're doing different things, and so
Speaker 1: a little different this year. And tonight will be day
Speaker 1: two of the workouts. What offensive line running backs tonight
Speaker 1: and then we'll get into defense Saturday and Sunday night,
Speaker 1: so should be interesting. Which, yeah, Dane has ways about him,
Speaker 1: so he actually was watching the four yea. But gotta
Speaker 1: have ways. You gotta have ways in this industry. But
Speaker 1: it was weird because, like, you know, we y'all went
Speaker 1: to dinner. I stopped by to say hi to some
Speaker 1: friends nearby, and like the bars are all running the drills,
Speaker 1: Like all of the people that are here to cover
Speaker 1: the drills are like out getting drinks and food and
Speaker 1: looking up at the TV like, oh wow, yeah, that's
Speaker 1: that's going on right now. That's what we're here for.
Speaker 1: It was very bizarre because typically that's happening like around
Speaker 1: this time of day. Then you go out and let
Speaker 1: off some steam later, but like kind of multitasking between
Speaker 1: drinking the beer and watching the draft drills. It was. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's a little surreal. And you tweeted out last night
Speaker 1: on your Twitter count at Helman DC you said you
Speaker 1: were watching the Titanic. That was it the first time
Speaker 1: the boat sinks? Yeah? Jack dies um did he have
Speaker 1: fit on the door? I thought you were talking about
Speaker 1: quintess Is forty times? Was that it did, so you
Speaker 1: were actually talking about the movie. So, okay, I'm out,
Speaker 1: I'm out, you know, I'm out getting some drinks and
Speaker 1: saying hi to some friends, grabbing some dinner, and then
Speaker 1: like literally I probably didn't leave the bar till ten thirty,
Speaker 1: but I walked back to my hotel is like, I'll
Speaker 1: watch the rest all you know, there's only like twenty
Speaker 1: minutes left. I'll watch the end in my room. And
Speaker 1: the hotel didn't get so like there was nothing I
Speaker 1: couldn't watch, so naturally, so I was like, well, Titanics on,
Speaker 1: so ill for that on? Wow? Wow? Well, I mean
Speaker 1: that's one way to spend your first night of It
Speaker 1: was a weird night, That's what I'm saying. It was
Speaker 1: a weird night. But I think I caught up in
Speaker 1: the morning. Oh absolutely. You can always find ways nowadays
Speaker 1: to get right back caught up, and we did and
Speaker 1: do D do so with those trills last night, there
Speaker 1: were some stand out and of course you're going to
Speaker 1: see some of that with the wide receiver group. The
Speaker 1: quarterbacks going last night as well tight ends a big
Speaker 1: part of that, but kind of on the back burner
Speaker 1: when it comes to the guys who stole the show
Speaker 1: going into it, Henry Runk's the third wide receiver round
Speaker 1: of Alabama. What was his forty time? And that was
Speaker 1: the headline, That was what we were all watching for.
Speaker 1: But there were a couple of guys that stood out,
Speaker 1: a Chase Claypool out of Notre Dame, Denzel Mims out
Speaker 1: of Baylor. But I want to ask you, guys before
Speaker 1: we get too far into it, what was last night's
Speaker 1: best storyline for you? For me, it was and I'm
Speaker 1: gonna steal your lsu to sorry, Oh it sounds better
Speaker 1: coming from you. Yeah. Justin Jefferson And I think I
Speaker 1: called him Jordan Jefferson about ten times, but Justin Jefferson,
Speaker 1: not his older brother. He to me he was the
Speaker 1: winner of the night. And you know, it's not like
Speaker 1: he's coming out of nowhere. I mean, he was already
Speaker 1: considered a possible first round pick, but going in I
Speaker 1: thought that he Look, this is a guy that is
Speaker 1: not a true burn. He wins with savvy with it.
Speaker 1: As a seasoned route runner, he can win at the stem.
Speaker 1: He can create his own space, and that's what makes
Speaker 1: him such a dynamic player, not just necessarily running by
Speaker 1: guys and so I was thinking low four fives would
Speaker 1: be a great time for him. And he goes out
Speaker 1: and runs a four four three and the forty yard
Speaker 1: dash was moving. But it's not only that, it was
Speaker 1: the gauntlet. The gauntlet I mentioned this before, is my
Speaker 1: favorite drill the entire week. There's just no hiding. I mean,
Speaker 1: he's fast and furious. You're going this way, this way,
Speaker 1: this way, no drops. Jefferson was clean, efficient, He was
Speaker 1: outstanding in that drill. I thought to me, Jefferson was
Speaker 1: the big winner of the night just watching with my eyes,
Speaker 1: which I mean I completely agree. Yeah, like I said,
Speaker 1: it sounds worse coming from me. I mean, I've been
Speaker 1: watching the guy for two years. He's incredible. He's natural,
Speaker 1: amazing route runner, He's so smooth, like everything he does
Speaker 1: is so effortless. But even me, the worst ellas you, Homer,
Speaker 1: you've ever met, Like, I'm like, you know, top sixties
Speaker 1: a cool range for him. If he can get drafted
Speaker 1: between somewhere in forty and sixty, that would be great.
Speaker 1: And now experts like Dane are telling me he might
Speaker 1: be gone by pick twenty five, and I just I
Speaker 1: didn't see that coming. So good for him. Um, it
Speaker 1: was real quick. It's just the we talked about how
Speaker 1: the top tier of the receivers would be Judy, lamb
Speaker 1: Uh and Rugs and then take your pick right, and
Speaker 1: but then that second tier I think, I mean, I
Speaker 1: think you start with him, you know, I think really
Speaker 1: him at the top of that last I think there
Speaker 1: is a strong Chanaul Higgins, greg Or, I you. I mean,
Speaker 1: you can make cases for a lot of these guys.
Speaker 1: You can make a strong case for Jefferson. And then
Speaker 1: the case was on the field last night working out,
Speaker 1: which I think I said that at this top of
Speaker 1: the week is like somebody who were not really talking
Speaker 1: about will enter the conversation. And if you follow the draft,
Speaker 1: you know who Justin Jefferson is. But again nobody is talking.
Speaker 1: Nobody had him in that kind of little gaggle of
Speaker 1: receivers at the top. And now you're telling me he
Speaker 1: might be the fourth receiver off the board. That's amazing.
Speaker 1: And I think that's kind of goes to the intrigue
Speaker 1: around this wide receiver class because there are those top
Speaker 1: guys which all the eyes are gonna be on. They
Speaker 1: were last night, they will continue all the way up
Speaker 1: into the draft. Then you got that big group of
Speaker 1: receivers in the second tier, and that's really kind of
Speaker 1: the at least the quotations around its second tier. But
Speaker 1: they were all so close together that I think that's
Speaker 1: where you'll see the majority of the movement. Like a
Speaker 1: guy like Justin Jefferson and then a guy like Denzel
Speaker 1: Mims who's now getting thrusted into that conversation as well.
Speaker 1: I was gonna throw mems out there. I mean, he
Speaker 1: killed it. He was awesome in the forty, awesome in
Speaker 1: the three cone. Yeah, so athletic. Another Texas guy who
Speaker 1: I you know, um, Devin DuVernay. Yeah you're if you're
Speaker 1: back in Texas listening to this. Kat was happy last ye.
Speaker 1: I mean he was right behind if I've got my
Speaker 1: results right, he was right behind Henry Ruggs in terms
Speaker 1: of fastest forty right him, and he was top five. Yeah,
Speaker 1: oh you're right, so he was fifth. Yeah there, God,
Speaker 1: there are some burners out there. Yeah, I'll be honest
Speaker 1: with you, though, disappointed in Duverney with some of the
Speaker 1: catching stuff, the field work, fought the ball a little bit,
Speaker 1: but the agility stuff, the speed stuff, he was outstanding. Yeah.
Speaker 1: See and That's kind of what we talked about previously
Speaker 1: when bringing up Davin DuVernay is on film it almost
Speaker 1: looks like he glides. He almost doesn't look like he's
Speaker 1: going one hundred percent. Now I'm not saying he's sandbags
Speaker 1: in the game, because I don't think that's necessarily the case,
Speaker 1: but we were kind of interested going into it to
Speaker 1: see what kind of speed and agility that he had,
Speaker 1: because that was one of the knocks on his film was, Hey,
Speaker 1: he doesn't necessarily look like he's running around people out there,
Speaker 1: and as a slot guy in the NFL, you kind
Speaker 1: of have to have some of that at some point
Speaker 1: to have that speed. While he came out and ran
Speaker 1: a really nice forty and looked good and the agility wise,
Speaker 1: that's why it was interesting that he did struggle catchwise though.
Speaker 1: That's a guy who really one of the best parts
Speaker 1: about his game in college was the fact he didn't
Speaker 1: have a whole lot of drops and he had those surehands, right.
Speaker 1: But if you watch the tape, it's you know, I
Speaker 1: think they used him as basically then extension or the
Speaker 1: run game. You know, a lot of screen and I
Speaker 1: think he tracks the ball well naturally, just over his shoulder.
Speaker 1: But there were a few times, uh you know, the
Speaker 1: corner stuff, but the back shoulder stuff where he struggled
Speaker 1: a little bit. We haded just his body and it's
Speaker 1: it's one workout. Um, you know, I think it's not
Speaker 1: like it's changing as great at all, but it was.
Speaker 1: It was kind of he was the opposite of like
Speaker 1: a quintest cephist who ran terribly ran in the four sevens,
Speaker 1: but you could see his basketball background with the way
Speaker 1: he would snatch the football and so a little different,
Speaker 1: you know, contrast with those two guys. I've got one
Speaker 1: that I want to throw your way, who he was
Speaker 1: definitely a winner last night, but I'm sure and this
Speaker 1: is a conversation that's happening on Twitter, so I'm gonna
Speaker 1: borrow from that. But the Golden Domer, Yeah, mister Claypool, Yeah,
Speaker 1: Chase Claypool six four two thirty eight, goes out last night,
Speaker 1: runs a four four two jumps forty one inches, just
Speaker 1: looks like an all around freak at two thirty eight.
Speaker 1: That's ridiculous, are we talking? I mean, is this guy
Speaker 1: the best tight end in the lass and we're just
Speaker 1: we don't realize that yet. I don't get why there's
Speaker 1: a tight end discussion. I mean, he's because it seems
Speaker 1: like he could do it. I mean, and again again,
Speaker 1: you got to readjust the conversation like, no, he's not
Speaker 1: he's not Martellis Bennett, like he's not gonna maul people
Speaker 1: in the run game. But why I put his hand
Speaker 1: on the ground and when you know, I mean I
Speaker 1: think he could be like a big slot. I think
Speaker 1: that'd be great. You know, I think he's a pass
Speaker 1: catcher first and foremost, and so I'm not going to
Speaker 1: put him in line or you know, I think he
Speaker 1: could play across the formation inside outside, And this is
Speaker 1: a case where the receiver tight end lines they're very
Speaker 1: blurred because you know, I could see it. I understand
Speaker 1: why someone would suggest that. But he'd be more of
Speaker 1: you know, the Evan Ingram, the you know, more of
Speaker 1: that slot guy more so than a traditional tight end
Speaker 1: with kind of how we associate these tight ends. And
Speaker 1: I think I would probably agree more with you, Dan,
Speaker 1: And I think last night proved that there really shouldn't
Speaker 1: be that much of a conversation when it comes to
Speaker 1: Claypool going to time it end. I mean, we've had
Speaker 1: that conversation before, whether it be on Twitter, and I
Speaker 1: don't know if we've talked about it actually on the
Speaker 1: show yet, but maybe off air talking about, hey, is
Speaker 1: this a guy that just fits more into that mold,
Speaker 1: could be more successful up on the line of scrimmage
Speaker 1: rather than out wide as a wide receiver. I think
Speaker 1: last night he kind of showed I should be a
Speaker 1: wide receiver a lot. When you see that two forty,
Speaker 1: that's that's what your your mind immediately understandably goes to. Well,
Speaker 1: say the same thing about Colin Johnson too, though, right,
Speaker 1: you know, is he outgrowing the position? And you know,
Speaker 1: I think but with that athletic profile, um, you know,
Speaker 1: I I'd rather keep him in the slot or outside,
Speaker 1: let him you know, match up with some of these uh,
Speaker 1: you know, undersized corners. And I think the big thing too,
Speaker 1: Chase Claypool and I wrote about this, there's there's gonna
Speaker 1: be a lot of special teams coaches banging on the
Speaker 1: table saying let's draft him because we want him on
Speaker 1: special teams. The toughness, the power, and that speed coming
Speaker 1: down on coverages. He had twenty five tackles at Notre
Speaker 1: Dame over his career. We know he can do it. Um.
Speaker 1: I think that definitely. And when you have such a
Speaker 1: stacked group of these guys and they're there, it's a
Speaker 1: little crowded. The more you can do, the more value
Speaker 1: that you offer. And so that's why a guy like
Speaker 1: Chase Claypool, at the very worst, I think you're talking
Speaker 1: about a fourth receiver special teams stand out, and at
Speaker 1: the at the best, you're talking about a guys stepping
Speaker 1: as a starter and be a featured weapon for you.
Speaker 1: Let's talk quarterbacks. Last night, we saw some of the
Speaker 1: quarterbacks throwing it around. Now the top names, of course,
Speaker 1: Ta and Joe Burrow not a part of it, but
Speaker 1: we saw Justin Herbert go out there and throw the
Speaker 1: football around, Jordan Love who caught some eyes as well.
Speaker 1: Jacob Eason, I thought had kind of a good night
Speaker 1: overall quarterback wise. But there's there's those guys out in
Speaker 1: this quarterback class that had a chance last night to
Speaker 1: show some speed and agility off but also show off
Speaker 1: the arms as well. Who stood out to you in
Speaker 1: the first night of drills. Eason, that ball just really
Speaker 1: think you hear it. It's just it cuts through the
Speaker 1: through the air like it's like it's nothing, it's it's crazy.
Speaker 1: But he was a little off at first. It took
Speaker 1: him a little while to settle in, and you could
Speaker 1: see that in some of the drills starts with Herbert
Speaker 1: and Love. Both of these guys, I don't think either
Speaker 1: of them did anything that would change your opinion based
Speaker 1: on twenty four hours ago. Forty eight hours ago. I
Speaker 1: thought both were outstanding and both should be in that
Speaker 1: type of setting. So it was not a surprise to
Speaker 1: see both those guys play performed well during the throwing portion.
Speaker 1: You know, I think that From it is the opposite
Speaker 1: of the Easton conversation. We mentioned this on last show,
Speaker 1: how going back to back and the stark difference in
Speaker 1: velocity and but at the same time, while there was
Speaker 1: a stark difference, From was a lot more accurate. He
Speaker 1: did a better job with the chemistry and the timing
Speaker 1: of the throws. He just the ball loses life. I
Speaker 1: thought Jalen Hurts, he performed well in the you know,
Speaker 1: in the forty yard dash and the agility stuff. But
Speaker 1: my biggest questions with Jalen Hurts, You're just not going
Speaker 1: to figure out. You're not gonna have those questions answered
Speaker 1: in a setting like that, and that's you know, anticipation,
Speaker 1: holding the ball too long, reading defenses. You know, it's
Speaker 1: great that Jalen Hurts did what he did, but my
Speaker 1: questions from tape are still kind of unanswered. Um, you know,
Speaker 1: he's not gonna be able to show that in a
Speaker 1: setting like the Combine. I agree with that, do you also?
Speaker 1: I think you could say something similar about a guy
Speaker 1: like Eson. Definitely in the sense that, like this type
Speaker 1: of stuff is designed to show off, you know, just
Speaker 1: how rare his arm talent is and stuff like that.
Speaker 1: Like his problem is decision making, seeing things, anticipating things,
Speaker 1: and so he can go out there and throw as
Speaker 1: beautiful ball as he wants to. It doesn't really make
Speaker 1: me think any more highly of him because I've seen
Speaker 1: some of the very very questionable things that he does
Speaker 1: during live action. Very very fair. He is a bigger
Speaker 1: slower emphasis on slower Stafford. I mean, that's just who
Speaker 1: he is. And but can he do enough to negotiate
Speaker 1: that pocket and under pressure make the reads and make
Speaker 1: the throws. Yeah, you're right, that's something that I don't
Speaker 1: think we were going to figure out until any Even
Speaker 1: if he this is where the debate gets about sitting
Speaker 1: a quarterback or playing him like, you know, you could
Speaker 1: sit him, but is he really going to gain the
Speaker 1: experience needed to learn that and become better in that area.
Speaker 1: And that's why a lot of people were telling him
Speaker 1: go back to school for your senior year because the
Speaker 1: NFL's you know, it's not a developmental league, it's it'll
Speaker 1: eat up, spitch out if you don't have this stuff. So, yeah,
Speaker 1: he Easton is a very very intriguing player who I'm
Speaker 1: gonna guess he goes in the second round just because
Speaker 1: the arm talent is so special. Yeah, but um yeah,
Speaker 1: there's a lot of you know, buyer beware with him.
Speaker 1: He had the highest velocity on the straight line speed
Speaker 1: throw last night. Correct, he was second. He was sixty two,
Speaker 1: and then Nate Stanley from Iowa had sixty three. I
Speaker 1: know we were we were right around that that top
Speaker 1: mark in terms of that, right, Does it make a
Speaker 1: difference when you look at those two guys, if we're
Speaker 1: comparing From and Easton and kind of looking at those
Speaker 1: two back back to back, does it make a difference.
Speaker 1: The fact that From has had a significant amount of
Speaker 1: more starts and experience at the college level where than
Speaker 1: Easton during his time starting. Yeah, it's almost it was
Speaker 1: a vast difference in terms of the amount of starts
Speaker 1: and the record that has had between the two. And
Speaker 1: I think you know that both these guys they're not
Speaker 1: gonna be for everybody. Um, you know, from you need
Speaker 1: more of a West Coast offense that's going to emphasize
Speaker 1: timing and rhythm and quick throws, and he needs talent
Speaker 1: around him to be successful. There's no question where Easton's
Speaker 1: more of the traditional prototype, but he doesn't have a
Speaker 1: lot of that experience. He played as a freshman and
Speaker 1: then missing two years and played this past year. Washington
Speaker 1: did some nice things got better throughout the year as
Speaker 1: he kind of got a little more seasoned with everything,
Speaker 1: but he's still the development's not there, and so where
Speaker 1: is he mentally in his development? And is there room
Speaker 1: to grow? That's the big thing that's the toughest part
Speaker 1: about quarterbacks. From He's probably close to his ceiling in
Speaker 1: terms of what he's going to be, but Easton's a
Speaker 1: little more tougher to figure out how close is east
Speaker 1: into a ceiling? I mean, is he kind of just
Speaker 1: he is who he is, or is he really going
Speaker 1: to develop. And that's you know, Joe Burrow, perfect example,
Speaker 1: who who thought he had as much of a room
Speaker 1: to grow as he did. You know, I mean they
Speaker 1: were calling Burrow a day three pick. Yeah, I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't know anybody that had a no top or
Speaker 1: day one or day two pick on Joe Burrow. I
Speaker 1: mean talking because that's I spend my summer's trading information
Speaker 1: with teams, with agents, with scouts, everybody, and um, not
Speaker 1: one person the highest grade I heard on on Burrow
Speaker 1: with a fourth round grade. Wow. So I mean that
Speaker 1: that's just and that's a rare case. You know, we're
Speaker 1: not gonna get that every year. And but it's really
Speaker 1: speaks to the fact that the quarterback position remains the
Speaker 1: toughest position to evaluate. So quarterbacks, tight ends or quarterbacks
Speaker 1: wide receivers. Let's talk about those tight ends. We had
Speaker 1: one last night, Chase Claypool. Not Chase Claypool, No know
Speaker 1: that in there? Yeah? How about how about some other
Speaker 1: guys Albert Oh last night running a four four nine
Speaker 1: or two? Uh? Okay, Albert Oh, Adam Surrey, Aine's gonna
Speaker 1: know uku Way Bunan that that's good, pretty good, pretty good.
Speaker 1: I googled it, so kua buonam or what would you
Speaker 1: say it as m Alberto? Yeah, you're not gonna say it.
Speaker 1: But he goes out runs a four four nine And
Speaker 1: it was one of the quicker times we've seen as
Speaker 1: a tight end over the past couple of years or
Speaker 1: really all time honestly in the combine and UH showed
Speaker 1: off some of the skills out there as well. But
Speaker 1: what did you guys think from the tight end position?
Speaker 1: Have you you looked at Alberto coming in right? I
Speaker 1: have not seen something of Alberto. I only know that,
Speaker 1: like his production dropped off pretty heavily because Missouri's disaster,
Speaker 1: well and even since his ruture freshman year, because that's
Speaker 1: when you really UM kind of put himself on the radar.
Speaker 1: I think it's like a double digit touchdown catches that
Speaker 1: UH and really kind of said, hey, I'm the guy
Speaker 1: you need to know. In the last two years, he
Speaker 1: was kind of a little disappointing. UM, but he doesn't play.
Speaker 1: And I think I mentioned this last show, the ninety
Speaker 1: ten rule. You know, should meet expectations, they're probably gonna
Speaker 1: be about ten percent that surprised you. And he's part
Speaker 1: of that ten percent with a four four nine because
Speaker 1: he doesn't play that fast. Now sometimes on the you know,
Speaker 1: on the vertical stuff, you know, he can stretch the
Speaker 1: seam a little bit when he can just run, But
Speaker 1: when you ask him to, uh, you know, make cuts
Speaker 1: and in and out of his breaks, that's where you
Speaker 1: just don't see a lot of urgency. Needs to be
Speaker 1: a little more loose with his athleticism. Um, when it
Speaker 1: comes to the route running and can he do that maybe, Um,
Speaker 1: but there's no question of four four nine. Youre gonna
Speaker 1: run a sub four five at the tight end position,
Speaker 1: it's going to help you. I thought he was a
Speaker 1: probably a borderline talk one hundred guy. Um, good chance
Speaker 1: he gets into that late portion of the third round.
Speaker 1: But with those types of times, that's really going to
Speaker 1: help him go on day two. Dave, any thoughts on
Speaker 1: the tight ends last night? I'm a big believer that
Speaker 1: you know, we talk about like how useful is a forty?
Speaker 1: Really that literally just watching on true just watching on TV,
Speaker 1: I saw Alberto's forty and I was like, Wow, that's
Speaker 1: really impressive. And I was like do I care? Do
Speaker 1: I care that much? At best straight line speed? Right?
Speaker 1: But I am a big believer, and I think this
Speaker 1: is true. If I had to pick one drill where
Speaker 1: I'm just like, show me that and I'll tell you
Speaker 1: how I feel about the guy would probably be three cone. Absolutely,
Speaker 1: that's just across the board or is that specifically? You know,
Speaker 1: you like, if we're talking running backs and receivers, I
Speaker 1: care a little bit more about the forty. I care
Speaker 1: a little bit more about the vertical, but just in
Speaker 1: terms of change of direction and speed and balance and
Speaker 1: bend and all that stuff, which is something that like
Speaker 1: every football player needs. That drill is going to expose
Speaker 1: whether you have it or not. And that's why. The
Speaker 1: one thing that jumped out to me was that Cole
Speaker 1: Comet did not do very well in the three cone drill.
Speaker 1: He I'm looking at it right now. He's down I
Speaker 1: mean seven four four, which is the rough second worst
Speaker 1: time of the day. Wow. And it is the opposite
Speaker 1: for Troutman. Yeah, which and number one sorry Adam Troutman,
Speaker 1: our dating guy. He was the best at six seven eight,
Speaker 1: which is not far behind the pace of I'm looking
Speaker 1: out on the site right here. Dennis Pitto was a
Speaker 1: six seven two. Like, that's really good. Here's the stat
Speaker 1: for you. After I got home last night, I looked
Speaker 1: it up I got to my hotel room. The six
Speaker 1: seven eight in the three cone is the sixth best
Speaker 1: time at the three cone drill for a tight end
Speaker 1: ever in the history of the combo. So that tells
Speaker 1: you right there how impressive that is. But meanwhile, he
Speaker 1: ran a four eight ozh in the forty so the
Speaker 1: straight line stuff wasn't exactly there. But see doesn't that
Speaker 1: And that's why I'm at where I'm like, Okay, four
Speaker 1: eight four eight doesn't just jump off the page at you.
Speaker 1: But give me the four eight with the great three cone,
Speaker 1: and I'm more excited about that than the four five
Speaker 1: hundred times out of it, especially with the tight ends receivers,
Speaker 1: where you know it's not just go routes. You know
Speaker 1: you're gonna have to churn change directions if if you're
Speaker 1: a stiff athlete, the three cone will expose you. And
Speaker 1: that's kind of what happened with some of these guys yesterday.
Speaker 1: And Albert Oh yesterday did not run the three cone
Speaker 1: drill after he had the four four nine, So kind
Speaker 1: of tough to tell on that one. So maybe we'll
Speaker 1: get to see that during his Zuri Pro Day. So
Speaker 1: wide receivers, quarterbacks, tight ends, they are done. They're on
Speaker 1: their way back home. Offensive linemen and running backs will
Speaker 1: start their drills tonight. That starts at four o'clock Eastern,
Speaker 1: three o'clock Central. But today the early morning session, we
Speaker 1: heard a lot from the secondary guys, corners, safeties, a
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Speaker 1: September twenty nineteen, This is the Dallas Cowboys dot Com
Speaker 1: Draft show, and no your hosts, David Hellman and Kyle
Speaker 1: Yeoman's write it through that guys, thank you. Have I
Speaker 1: met with them? No, I haven't. Um, I haven't met
Speaker 1: with them yet. UM, and I'm not uh I think, UM,
Speaker 1: I would fit well with them in that scheme. Um.
Speaker 1: You know, I think I said, I'm a versatile guy,
Speaker 1: so I can do a lot of different things. So
Speaker 1: I think I'll fit well in a lot of a
Speaker 1: lot of schemes. To be honest with you, I don't
Speaker 1: think there's a scheme that I wouldn't be well and
Speaker 1: do well in. So UM, you know, I try to
Speaker 1: make sure that I am able to fit in any
Speaker 1: scheme that I am put in. So um, but I
Speaker 1: think I fit well in this scheme. Dallas Cowboys Draft
Speaker 1: show back here from Indianapolis and draft sweetheart Alabama safety
Speaker 1: Xavier McKinney, saying he would fit well into the Cowboys system.
Speaker 1: He said he'd fit well into any system, but he
Speaker 1: specifically said the Dallas Cowboys system overall. Get some excitement going, right, man?
Speaker 1: We can we get him over here and ask him
Speaker 1: what the Cowboys system is. That's a good question. If
Speaker 1: I mean, if Rod Marinelli was still here, I would
Speaker 1: have an idea. But I don't even know what Mike
Speaker 1: Nolan's got in mind. So I'd love to hear what
Speaker 1: he thinks that they would do with him. That's a
Speaker 1: good point, which, to be fair, I think Xavier McKinney
Speaker 1: can do just about anything you ask of him, at
Speaker 1: least adequately. I still just top safety on the board. No, no, okay,
Speaker 1: did you hear him? Someone asked him who the toughest
Speaker 1: receiver he faced this year? He mentioned h Brian Edwards
Speaker 1: from South Carolina. Then you're two LSU receivers, so they're nice, man,
Speaker 1: which you know we were joking somebody on Twitter as
Speaker 1: there's like, why how come nobody's talking about Jamar Chase
Speaker 1: because he's going back to LSU because he's going to
Speaker 1: be only nineteen purple and gold back in baton rouge
Speaker 1: and Dave Hellman smiles ear to ear on the other
Speaker 1: side of the table. Well, real quick, I know, I mean,
Speaker 1: we're gonna do Twitter on the twenty, but I mean,
Speaker 1: and we talked about the safeties and how you know
Speaker 1: these are Grant Delpit LSU Xavier McKinney Alabama, both flawed
Speaker 1: to a degree, both still probably first round picks. Very
Speaker 1: quickly because you kind of blinked at me when you
Speaker 1: said I didn't think McKinney was the best. Like, what
Speaker 1: give me your breakdown of those two where they thank
Speaker 1: for you. I didn't know you, Kyle Dugger that much
Speaker 1: there is that's that's great. Grant Delpa is not a
Speaker 1: perfect prospect, but he is the best safety. And I know,
Speaker 1: and I'm about need to be careful what I say
Speaker 1: because all the hayte and slander, somebody's gonna tweet it.
Speaker 1: Grant and Delpa is getting uh yeah, and I think
Speaker 1: with h with Delpit coming into the area, so much
Speaker 1: hype and um, you know, you see the range, you
Speaker 1: see the cover awareness, and in today's NFL, that's what
Speaker 1: matters more more than anything. But you still have to
Speaker 1: be able to be reliable as a tackler. Um, and
Speaker 1: he's just it doesn't help that he's not the biggest guy. UM.
Speaker 1: You know that he it does seem like he makes
Speaker 1: a few key decisions that maybe he doesn't go all
Speaker 1: in and goes for the tackle. I think technique is off. Um,
Speaker 1: But I get why. I just struggle with him because
Speaker 1: there's there's too many negative plays on his tape for
Speaker 1: a guy that I'm gonna invest a first round pick in.
Speaker 1: And honestly the same with the thing with Davier McKinney.
Speaker 1: I don't love either of these guys. Wow, I mean
Speaker 1: I think it's right. I posted actually on Twitter, um
Speaker 1: after Javier McKinney said Brian Edwards as one of the
Speaker 1: receivers that he thought was the best they faced. I
Speaker 1: posted an All twenty two clip of when they face
Speaker 1: Alabama and South Carolina faced off and Brian Edwards just
Speaker 1: got him turned around, created space and you know I
Speaker 1: was able to do that. So with Davie McKinney. He's
Speaker 1: a much better tackler downhill defender, But can you trust
Speaker 1: him as a guy that's going to be in man coverage?
Speaker 1: Can you trust him single high? You know he's there
Speaker 1: are a few examples of him doing these things, but
Speaker 1: against NFL level athletes, it's just a different animal. And
Speaker 1: so I like these safeties. I don't love them, and
Speaker 1: I think it's it's tough to figure out where what
Speaker 1: is the proper value for these guys, which I so
Speaker 1: I would say, and I know, like I said, Grant Delpits,
Speaker 1: he's got his flaws. I trust more that you could
Speaker 1: teach him to tackle with better technique and better effort.
Speaker 1: It's fixable. It's fixable as opposed to like, if you
Speaker 1: don't have it in coverage, I just don't think you
Speaker 1: have it. Yeah. Sure, And Grant Delpit for two years
Speaker 1: has displayed in ability uh to cover and to make
Speaker 1: plays in coverage, which is what this defense in Dallas
Speaker 1: has so sorely needed. Which is why I think he's
Speaker 1: the more valuable of the two players. And I think
Speaker 1: that's that's a that's a good argument, and said that
Speaker 1: we don't have to get all into it. I said
Speaker 1: on Wednesday, like, I don't think the Cowboys would draft
Speaker 1: either one of them at seventeen. Yeah, not at not
Speaker 1: at seventeen maybe oh yeah, yeah. I think there might
Speaker 1: be a little bit too much of those scenarios and
Speaker 1: those uh, those holes on the back end of the
Speaker 1: defense that need to be filled before they take a
Speaker 1: safety at seventeen. But with that being said, let's get
Speaker 1: into Twitter on the twenty Twitter. Our first question here
Speaker 1: on Twitter on the twenty comes from Clayton and he says,
Speaker 1: as the Cowboys happy or sad if Tua goes at
Speaker 1: number two and we avoid Chase Young, being that the
Speaker 1: Redskins don't take happy, happy, very happy. So you the
Speaker 1: generational pass rusher out of the division. Yes, but you
Speaker 1: would rather face twa overall for however long and face
Speaker 1: I get wow, I didn't even think about it. You
Speaker 1: would have just like la, I mean, get all right,
Speaker 1: if if if twas going to be healthy and you're
Speaker 1: gonna be getting ten to twelve years of two of
Speaker 1: then probably just draft Chase Young. So there's a there's
Speaker 1: a big if there though, no for sure, So it's
Speaker 1: it's it's do you take the gamble. I'm not ready
Speaker 1: to sit here in February of twenty twenty and say
Speaker 1: that twas going to be a bus though. I mean, yeah,
Speaker 1: I have concerns, but I'm not ready to say it's
Speaker 1: not as health concerns. I will say this, I would
Speaker 1: not be surprised that come draft draft Day, would not
Speaker 1: be surprised if either Justin Herbert or Jordan Love was
Speaker 1: the second quarterback drafted. Would not be surprised at all.
Speaker 1: But not out there do you think which Okay, Dan
Speaker 1: Snyder's known been known to do some crazy stuff. I mean,
Speaker 1: the word on the street is I mean that Dwayne
Speaker 1: Haskins was a Dan Snyder absolutely. So it's hard for
Speaker 1: me to believe that Dan Snyder would give up on
Speaker 1: a guy he wanted so badly last year after one year,
Speaker 1: especially because the coaches didn't want him. So yeah, Snyder
Speaker 1: kind of flex his muscles on that one. Maybe maybe
Speaker 1: this new staff is the same when they're like, all right, fine,
Speaker 1: let's go get this other guy. I have to believe
Speaker 1: that part of the coaching interview process was not so
Speaker 1: what do you think about our quarterback situation? It was so,
Speaker 1: how are you going to make Dwayne Haskins a good player.
Speaker 1: I would hope so so, But it wasn't even the
Speaker 1: option of, you know, like that's how a healthy franchise
Speaker 1: would do it. I think, well, no, I mean I
Speaker 1: think I think a healthy franchise is probably gonna be
Speaker 1: more along the lines of what about our quarterback situation
Speaker 1: and not saying our quarterback is Dwayne Haskins, what are
Speaker 1: we going to do with him? Like just because you
Speaker 1: want you want to coach that wants to coach him,
Speaker 1: not feels like they have to coach him. But it's
Speaker 1: tough because, uh, you know, Haskins, we saw so little
Speaker 1: of him, and the little that we did see was
Speaker 1: not positive. But we cite example after example of guys
Speaker 1: a struggle it as rookies. Um, I think with the Redskins,
Speaker 1: you know, we'll see with Trent Williams coming back, we'll see. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they've had a pretty promising wide receiver a group with
Speaker 1: led by Terry McLaurin, So you know, well, we'll see.
Speaker 1: I think hopefully I'd like to see Dwayne Haskins get
Speaker 1: another year, especially with the new new coaching staff in there.
Speaker 1: But with when you're sitting when you're picking number two overall,
Speaker 1: you have to at least do your due diligence on
Speaker 1: on the quarterbacks that could be available with do Well.
Speaker 1: And it's also not unheard of to see a quarterback
Speaker 1: selected in the first round by an organization back to
Speaker 1: back years. I mean we saw it just most recently
Speaker 1: with Josh Rosen. That was like the first time I
Speaker 1: was gonna say it's not unheard of because it happened.
Speaker 1: So but the modern NFL, I mean, right, it's a
Speaker 1: lot of impatience out there, so you know, that's why
Speaker 1: you can't completely rule it out. But because Haskins was
Speaker 1: a Snyder pick, because he, like I said, flex his muscles,
Speaker 1: over overruled the coaches and went that direction, I don't
Speaker 1: think he's going to be ready to just move on
Speaker 1: from that pick. So now it if if if a
Speaker 1: quarterback has taken two overall, I bet a trade out
Speaker 1: Washington traded out of that, traded out of it. I
Speaker 1: don't think that's the worst idea I've ever heard, Like
Speaker 1: I don't That roster, in my opinion, is not as
Speaker 1: flat out awful as you would expect from a team
Speaker 1: picking number two. Mike, You've got some talent on the
Speaker 1: O line, You've got some talented pass like their front,
Speaker 1: their defensive front is very impressive. They need defensive backs.
Speaker 1: They could I mean, Terry McLaurin broke out, but they
Speaker 1: you know, they could use some other skill players. But
Speaker 1: I don't think that the Redskins are as atrociously untalented
Speaker 1: as you would expect from a team picking number two.
Speaker 1: Dane being a guy who's kind of kept up with
Speaker 1: these organizations, is it out of the question to see
Speaker 1: Miami maybe give up two of their three first round
Speaker 1: picks and try and go up to two and make
Speaker 1: sure that they do snag Ato. If they're convinced that
Speaker 1: two is going to be healthy and gonna be there
Speaker 1: a guy, then that's what you do. That's why you
Speaker 1: you gather all these draft picks so you can be
Speaker 1: aggressive and go get the right quarterback. It just we
Speaker 1: just have no idea of I mean, so we could
Speaker 1: see it, We just have no idea of knowing if
Speaker 1: that's how Miami's going to feel, and we're not gonna
Speaker 1: know until at least April ninth, when two was able
Speaker 1: to do his personal pro day. We see him throw,
Speaker 1: we see the body movements. Um, that's going to be
Speaker 1: such a big part of the process for any team
Speaker 1: that's considering UH to UH, and it's just the quarterbacks.
Speaker 1: They drive the conversation every year and this year is
Speaker 1: no different. And but there's we're not forcing the conversation
Speaker 1: because there's a lot of intrigue at the top. Well
Speaker 1: but maybe not the top because Joe Burrow, even I
Speaker 1: know he didn't do anything um last night at dalen
Speaker 1: Field drills, the running anything like that, but I tell
Speaker 1: you what he I was watching him on the sideline.
Speaker 1: He was one of the first guys up fist bumps,
Speaker 1: high fives with all the receivers tight ends. He just
Speaker 1: has his magnetism to him where it just goes guys.
Speaker 1: And he's not a he's not a rut well we know,
Speaker 1: look at the sparkle in them. I'm sorry, yeah, the
Speaker 1: other day just pop Burrows here. He's not a raw,
Speaker 1: raw guy. He's not a you know, a guy that's
Speaker 1: gonna be overly vocal. But he just has a presence
Speaker 1: to him that I think teammates really rally around, really
Speaker 1: resonates with them. And that's something that really showed. Even
Speaker 1: Burrow didn't do anything, um, you know, drill wise, but
Speaker 1: I came away impressed, and if I was impressed by it,
Speaker 1: I could promise you Scott's for paying attention as well.
Speaker 1: And our next question Daniel Roberts, has to do with
Speaker 1: last night as well. But he asked everyone or everybody
Speaker 1: last year made a big stink about DK Metcalf's testing.
Speaker 1: Why isn't anybody making a big deal about Jalen Ragers
Speaker 1: just yet? I don't. I mean, was it think historically bad?
Speaker 1: I mean you're gonna say kind of average, we're the
Speaker 1: best way to Yeah, I mean I think it was
Speaker 1: probably disappointing because people were expecting Jalen Ragor to run
Speaker 1: like a four degree, to come out and set the
Speaker 1: world on fight. If I'm not mistaken, Like his times
Speaker 1: were all like within an acceptable range of what you
Speaker 1: would want from a draftable wide receiver, right right. I
Speaker 1: think just in our minds, it was so inflaced to
Speaker 1: be freaky, yeah right, And that was a four four
Speaker 1: seven in the forty last night. Yeah, and no, so
Speaker 1: sub still really good. And this is the guy that
Speaker 1: won a state championship in the long jump in high school,
Speaker 1: so we knew the jumps were going to be really impressive,
Speaker 1: and they were. He did not disappoint with the jumps,
Speaker 1: that lower body explosiveness. Um, I was more like the
Speaker 1: forty year Dash was a little disappointed. I wasn't more
Speaker 1: concerned about the shuttles. We're not We're not great, and
Speaker 1: that's something that you would a little surprised and you
Speaker 1: expected him better right of him. He had a four
Speaker 1: four six in the shuttle, Yeah, which is not a
Speaker 1: great time. Umkondro was a seven three one Yeah. No,
Speaker 1: I mean I would go as far as to say
Speaker 1: he had a disappointing day. Yeah. But like basically, people
Speaker 1: said last year that dk Metcalf was so stiff and
Speaker 1: so athletic unathletic that he couldn't do anything except run
Speaker 1: in a straight line. Yeah. I don't think we're saying
Speaker 1: that about Jalen Raiders. I don't think so either, but
Speaker 1: I do. I mean, you know, entering the combine, we
Speaker 1: you know on the draft show before the show, and
Speaker 1: I feel like the narrative was that Dane talked about
Speaker 1: the trio of Lamb, Judy and Rugs. A lot of
Speaker 1: people thought Jalen Ragor was in the conversation to be
Speaker 1: the next best guy after that, And no, like we
Speaker 1: said at the top of the show, nobody was talking
Speaker 1: about Justin Jefferson. And that's what these drills do, is
Speaker 1: they flip it because obviously one guy had a much
Speaker 1: better night than the other. Yeah, And I you know,
Speaker 1: I didn't think Ragor was a first round pick, but
Speaker 1: I thought that, you know, he had a chance to
Speaker 1: really help himself, and I don't think he did that.
Speaker 1: And I don't think he's necessarily dropping. But in a
Speaker 1: loaded class like this, like we've been talking about, it's
Speaker 1: the littlest things that could really separate yourself. Kent Garrison
Speaker 1: coming on by a former member of the Cowboys staff saying, Hi, oh,
Speaker 1: here he comes here it is there's the cameo. That's
Speaker 1: exactly how radio row goes. Next question comes from Connor,
Speaker 1: and this is an intriguing one because we've talked about
Speaker 1: this prospect before. Connor asked, where do you see Terrell
Speaker 1: Burgess playing at the next level? Of course, out of
Speaker 1: Utah and he little on the smaller side for a
Speaker 1: safety prospect, but in my opinion, that's where he projects best.
Speaker 1: Is he good enough as a cover guy to play
Speaker 1: both spots, both nickel and safety. So I think he's
Speaker 1: kind of the the in between. He's a nickel too,
Speaker 1: you know, he's I don't I don't know that he
Speaker 1: can do everything that you want to safety. I don't
Speaker 1: know that you can do everything you want a corner,
Speaker 1: But I think he can do everything you want a
Speaker 1: nickel player, so you can play that inside position. He
Speaker 1: understands relationships between multiple routes. He can read those combinations,
Speaker 1: and he flips his hips. He can run, he can
Speaker 1: find the football, he can locate. And the guy you
Speaker 1: talked to his coaches about him, They rave about this
Speaker 1: guy as smarts. How you know, the character impacts the
Speaker 1: rest of the locker room. So he is a guy
Speaker 1: that off the field, no no concerns team guy on
Speaker 1: the field, not someone that's you know, he might be
Speaker 1: a little scheme specific with how you use him in
Speaker 1: the sub packages. But you know, we're talking about a
Speaker 1: late third, early fourth rounder probably, So that's why there's
Speaker 1: a discount sticker on him compared to being talked about
Speaker 1: the first or second rounder. And we talked to him
Speaker 1: earlier this morning and he also said, even though he
Speaker 1: grew up in California, his family was full of diehard
Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys fans. They would go to the games all
Speaker 1: the time. They would find a way to go to Texas.
Speaker 1: So I mean that's another guy that you could potentially
Speaker 1: look at as one of those former Cowboys fans that
Speaker 1: could end up just filling a position of need in
Speaker 1: their former fandom. Now moving on, this is another this
Speaker 1: or that question and says, would you take Javon kin
Speaker 1: Law out of South Carolina defensive tackle or one of
Speaker 1: the top three receivers if they fell to seventeen? Those
Speaker 1: top three receivers that he tweeted about, where Seedee Lamb
Speaker 1: out of Oklahoma, Jerry Judy out of Alabama, and then
Speaker 1: his teammate from college, Henry Ruggs the third. I'm driving
Speaker 1: the flirty Burger train. You are even I wouldn't do that,
Speaker 1: ye give me. I mean the second best defensive tackle
Speaker 1: in the class, I mean Derek Browns, and you know
Speaker 1: he's in his own category. He'll be long gone. But
Speaker 1: Ken Law can do so much stuff. He can be
Speaker 1: so disruptive. I think he's he's rare in general. But
Speaker 1: then throw that in there with the fact that this
Speaker 1: receiver class is absurd. Yep. Also, if you want to
Speaker 1: get really Cowboys specific, there's so much smoke coming out
Speaker 1: of Indie this week that I mean Randall Cobb's coming back. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'll be shocked if he doesn't, based on what we've heard.
Speaker 1: So you know, we'll see what happens with a Marii Cooper.
Speaker 1: But it seems reasonable that your top three receivers are
Speaker 1: all back. You don't have any defensive tackles under contract.
Speaker 1: Like the value there, I think it's really mismatched when
Speaker 1: you consider that you could get a great receiver at
Speaker 1: pick eighty, let alone pick seventeen. It's tough because I
Speaker 1: think on my board I will have Lamb as a
Speaker 1: higher graded player than kit in Law. But everything you
Speaker 1: said I agree with, you know, in terms of it's
Speaker 1: why best player available is a lie, very subjective. It's
Speaker 1: a lie. It's their context is require didn't you're right
Speaker 1: about you know you can wait in the receiver position.
Speaker 1: I would have a hard freaking time moving away from
Speaker 1: from um Cede Lamb. Oh Yeah, that would be agonizing,
Speaker 1: That would be tough. But when you look at it
Speaker 1: and say, you know everything you just said about defensive
Speaker 1: tackle and how that's a bigger need, how you can
Speaker 1: you really want a receiver? Okay, you can wait and
Speaker 1: still get a pretty pretty talented wide out second third,
Speaker 1: fourth round. Um, yeah, I mean I think I I'm
Speaker 1: going to ride the fence here. Uh sorry, sorry, because yeah,
Speaker 1: where's broad coward, coward? This is make a decision, coward.
Speaker 1: It's February, it's not April. Uh not yet. So I
Speaker 1: would LAMB is a better player, but I think i'd
Speaker 1: probably lead more towards you. It reminds me, which this
Speaker 1: is a terrible example, because Taco Charlton didn't even finish
Speaker 1: his rookie contract. Ye, the reason they did it in
Speaker 1: the first place. Yeah, I know they should have picked
Speaker 1: t J. Watt, But the reason they did it is
Speaker 1: we can we have to get the pass rusher that
Speaker 1: can make an impact here and there will be dbs
Speaker 1: down the line for us. Yeah. And they turned out
Speaker 1: to be right about that to a degree. They picked
Speaker 1: the wrong pass rusher. But that's strategy would sound you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, That's fair, And so I just
Speaker 1: feel way better about their odds of finding a good
Speaker 1: receiver later than a defensive tackle who can actually make
Speaker 1: an impact at least early. And I think I would
Speaker 1: agree here as well, because would you agree with me
Speaker 1: here that either one of those four guys. If you
Speaker 1: had rugs Lamb, Judy or kin Law coming to Dallas
Speaker 1: wearing the Navy blue blazer in the next couple of
Speaker 1: days holding up a jersey in a press conference, would
Speaker 1: you be happy, I'm sorry, Judy, ruggs Ki, Law or Lamb.
Speaker 1: Would you be ecstatic about any of those four guys? Yes,
Speaker 1: you pick no matter what, at least at the moment.
Speaker 1: Whenever we come to draft time, that's what it looks like.
Speaker 1: It looks like those are four guys that are going
Speaker 1: to make an im media impact for your football team.
Speaker 1: So I think you have a little bit of confidence,
Speaker 1: you have a little bit of peace knowing that you're
Speaker 1: going to get a guy if if this is the
Speaker 1: scenario that works out and you have a decision to make,
Speaker 1: And honestly, another thing that's really encouraging is that there's
Speaker 1: a chance that one of those four guys is there
Speaker 1: at seventeen based on the offensive tackles and the quarterbacks
Speaker 1: that could go earlier. I will say this, the fans
Speaker 1: never forget the fans never forget who you passed on. Uh,
Speaker 1: you know, whether it's a you know, T. J. Watt
Speaker 1: or whoever. They will not forget um. So you know,
Speaker 1: it's not like that you need to create any any
Speaker 1: pressure that they are don't already feel. But it would
Speaker 1: be tucked to pass on one of those guys and
Speaker 1: take the other. That's one of the intricacies of the
Speaker 1: draft that makes it so so fun. One more question
Speaker 1: here for Twitter on the twenty Jeremy says, who was
Speaker 1: the bell of the interview circuit throughout the course of
Speaker 1: the week and any particularly negative interviewees. The thing about that,
Speaker 1: like you're talking about with us or with the team
Speaker 1: with all of it teams, okay, let's do with media, Yeah,
Speaker 1: stay with us? Okay, Yeah, I was gonna say, we
Speaker 1: don't know and trust what's coming out of it. Out
Speaker 1: of the team thirty seven parking tickets for Ross Blacklaw
Speaker 1: is one of the few fun ones that I've heard.
Speaker 1: But out of the media, didn't anyone really stick out
Speaker 1: to you as being a couple years ago in to
Speaker 1: New Callaway to me was just it was so bad,
Speaker 1: like he was so nervous and he was not comfortable,
Speaker 1: and it was it was a rough thing to go
Speaker 1: through and to the point where I was felt sorry
Speaker 1: for him, like just this is not going well, and
Speaker 1: I don't think there was anything like that, at least
Speaker 1: not that I was a part of yes year. I
Speaker 1: have to be totally transparent, like with my duties as
Speaker 1: a beat writer and chasing the Jones family around like
Speaker 1: I didn't. I wasn't at as many interviews as the
Speaker 1: two of y'all. M Nobody really jumped out to me
Speaker 1: as just like a terrible interview. I think someone keep
Speaker 1: it to today. This morning, Jeff Okuda was dude and
Speaker 1: what you would expect from a corner you know. He
Speaker 1: I thought was really fascinating when a couple of times
Speaker 1: when someone asked him, like, you know, how do you
Speaker 1: clean up your sloppy plays? And he's like, I had
Speaker 1: zero pass interference penalties, had zero defensive holding penalties, Like
Speaker 1: you need to go back to the tape and watch
Speaker 1: explain to me these sloppy plays. And then later he
Speaker 1: someone asked about, you know, as he pay attention to
Speaker 1: teams that are picking on top of the draft, he
Speaker 1: literally rattled off, Okay, well you know this is the
Speaker 1: Redskins depth chart at cornerback. You know, they just got
Speaker 1: rid of Josh Norman, they're negotiating with Dunbar that he
Speaker 1: went through the top five. Every team in the top five,
Speaker 1: he knew their depth chart in and out at the
Speaker 1: cornerback position. This is a guy does his homework. He's
Speaker 1: paying attention, very very bright individual. We're gonna go We're
Speaker 1: gonna go deeper into Jeffrey Okuda here in a little bit.
Speaker 1: I will say, so, I don't mean to you know,
Speaker 1: we're not talking to Antonio Callaway or Robert Kimdici from
Speaker 1: a few years ago. That was brutal. That was bad.
Speaker 1: Um who you got, who you got Tua, not in
Speaker 1: the sense that he was like, I mean, he's fine.
Speaker 1: He seems like a super nice guy, very like mature
Speaker 1: and polite. But I was just bored and underwhelmed. Uh
Speaker 1: And it felt like it felt a little phony, for
Speaker 1: lack of a better word for me. Like a example
Speaker 1: is he's like, you know, I don't think you know,
Speaker 1: the story goes if you don't know that his dad
Speaker 1: just turned him into a lefty basics right, and you know,
Speaker 1: he just had him start throwing with a left hand
Speaker 1: with his left hand early on in life. And he said,
Speaker 1: and he's like, you know, I don't I don't think
Speaker 1: i'd be here. I don't think I'd be here if
Speaker 1: he hadn't done that. And somebody immediately was like why,
Speaker 1: Like how do you know? And he's like, what is
Speaker 1: it about being left handed that makes you so confident?
Speaker 1: And he's like he's like, well, I don't know, Like
Speaker 1: I've never thrown with my right hand. It's like, well, yeah,
Speaker 1: but you're obviously talent enough to have gotten here, like
Speaker 1: it stands to reason you could have done it. And
Speaker 1: somebody else was like, well, what's so different about playing
Speaker 1: left hand? And he was like, I don't know. The
Speaker 1: ball spinds a different way. And I was just like
Speaker 1: you and somebody else somebody was like, what's your greatest strength?
Speaker 1: What do you need to work on? The mode? He
Speaker 1: was just like, I don't like talking about myself, Like
Speaker 1: I'm I'm embarrassed, I'm shy. You guys are making me
Speaker 1: talk about myself. I was like, guess what, bro, that's
Speaker 1: the point of this whole thing. Give me something, tell
Speaker 1: me something interesting, because it just sounds like it was
Speaker 1: very It just felt very phony to me. I was like,
Speaker 1: give me a little more context, give me a little
Speaker 1: more detail. He came off very tired and very like
Speaker 1: he was in the hospital for fourteen hours. I think
Speaker 1: that is the contact I'm trying to get at, Like,
Speaker 1: I think that played a part, Like he just came
Speaker 1: off like he was it was not the right frame
Speaker 1: of mind for him to be doing that at that
Speaker 1: point in time. That's fair. That's a really good point,
Speaker 1: so you know, but I agree it was not an
Speaker 1: impressive interview, and just hopefully for his sake, the team
Speaker 1: interviews go better than what do you did with the media.
Speaker 1: I thought there were some really good interviews, particularly today.
Speaker 1: I mean CJ. Henderson was awesome, Noah Igbinogamy, who we
Speaker 1: heard a little bit of earlier, the same thing with
Speaker 1: Antoine Winfield Junior and in Minnesota, he had an awesome
Speaker 1: press conference. There weren't like a whole big ton of people. McKey.
Speaker 1: At the same time, I saw your tweet that he
Speaker 1: said he wants to return punts, and I was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: let's get him. Get him here. He had a wonderful interview,
Speaker 1: and it was because of the fact that he kind
Speaker 1: of went into his dad and the way he looks
Speaker 1: up to his father, who of course had a fourteen
Speaker 1: year playing career in the NFL. So that was really intriguing.
Speaker 1: One guy that I didn't necessarily like as much, and
Speaker 1: this one might make some Jeff cavanall guys unhappy. Jeff
Speaker 1: Gladney was kind of man man. He's kind of man
Speaker 1: up on the podium to day, so that was kind
Speaker 1: of one disappointing thing. Overall. I thought he was okay,
Speaker 1: but just compared to some of the other guys. I mean,
Speaker 1: Terrell Burgess out of Utah was great. Yeah, there are
Speaker 1: a lot of really good podium guys over the course
Speaker 1: of the week, but today I think might have been
Speaker 1: the best day in terms of some of the more
Speaker 1: likable guys. You gotta have swagger to play defensive back,
Speaker 1: so it's not surprised that they would be good interviews.
Speaker 1: And one guy who has plenty of swagger and is
Speaker 1: a plenty of the center of conversation, Jeffrey Okuda. We
Speaker 1: already just talked about him, the cornerback out of Ohio State.
Speaker 1: When we come back, we're gonna talk about Okuda, who
Speaker 1: apparently grew up a Cowboys fan. We'll talk about that,
Speaker 1: maybe what it'll take if the Cowboys want to try
Speaker 1: and phil a position with need with Okuda when we
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Speaker 1: with you. Coming back into the segment, Jeffrey Oku to
Speaker 1: cornerback of Ohio State. We were just talking about him
Speaker 1: a little bit. Said, grew up at cow Boys family.
Speaker 1: He knows what it would mean to where the star
Speaker 1: on the side of the helmet. So, guys, here's here's
Speaker 1: the conversation. Got about twelve minutes. Here we're gonna get
Speaker 1: deep into this. So I see you're you're grinning over there.
Speaker 1: Jeff Okuda pretty much the I guess unanimous number one
Speaker 1: corner in the entire draft. Agree, agree, yep? Okay, what
Speaker 1: would it take for the Dallas Cowboys to go up
Speaker 1: and get Jeff Okuda? And how we how we're going
Speaker 1: to start this conversation. There's a lot at stake here
Speaker 1: because there's multiple picks. You're most likely gonna have to
Speaker 1: what go up to three for the purposes of this,
Speaker 1: I mean between three and five? Okay, between three and five.
Speaker 1: So three is where earliest because we're assuming Joe Burrow
Speaker 1: would go one to Cincinnati, Chase Young would be taken
Speaker 1: segment second by insert name here or to or somebody.
Speaker 1: What would it take to get up the three from seventeen?
Speaker 1: I think we have to say to A or Chase
Speaker 1: Young two because if he doesn't go then yeah, then
Speaker 1: you're talking about Yeah, that's a good point. Okay, so
Speaker 1: let's try it. Let's try purposes here, trying to get
Speaker 1: to three with the Detroit Lions, who just don't seem
Speaker 1: to want to take anybody with that number three overall
Speaker 1: point um an act of God that's what it would take.
Speaker 1: I mean, wow, let's lay it out where it would
Speaker 1: take seventeen. Obviously that's people it would it would take
Speaker 1: pick seventeen. So we did do it. We did the
Speaker 1: math on this when we decided we wanted to talk
Speaker 1: about it, Yes, and bring out the chart. Trade charts
Speaker 1: aren't universal, but the Cowboys pick is worth roughly nine
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty points. Detroit's pick at number three is
Speaker 1: worth roughly twenty two hundred. That's a that's a twelve
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty point difference, just for reference, because there's
Speaker 1: always somebody that's like, throw in your four or five
Speaker 1: and six, and you'll get like, no, that that doesn't
Speaker 1: that premium premium picks or what moved the needle on trades? Yes,
Speaker 1: and so what we say, it's a twelve hundred and
Speaker 1: fifty point difference. Yes, the Cowboys second round pick is
Speaker 1: only worth three hundred ninety. Okay, their third round pick
Speaker 1: is worth one hundred and eighty. So you're only halfway
Speaker 1: there throwing in both of those two and three. Which
Speaker 1: the point is you're not getting that done without giving
Speaker 1: up next year's first round pick, just not doing it.
Speaker 1: H And then you're probably throwing a sweetener in on
Speaker 1: top of it. To Dane's point, you try to give
Speaker 1: up next year's one and this year's three. Okay, realistic,
Speaker 1: Like if it's me, I'm holding you up for your
Speaker 1: number two as well. Okay, you're talking next year's one,
Speaker 1: this year's one, and this year's two. Just for reference,
Speaker 1: how how valuable is next year's one? Well on the
Speaker 1: on the trade chart, Well that's it's next year's picks
Speaker 1: are always worth a little bit less, right, Okay, So
Speaker 1: it and and that's the thing is how it works
Speaker 1: because it's it's a guess. Again, there's no there's no
Speaker 1: way to assign a value to it because the Cowboys
Speaker 1: could pick one or thirty two. There's no way to know.
Speaker 1: So it's worth a little bit less. But you just
Speaker 1: have to you're just throwing it in there. Okay, does it?
Speaker 1: Does it have a value number though on it at all? Okay?
Speaker 1: I mean they don't know. I didn't know if they
Speaker 1: they had it. Kind of just throwing there as a
Speaker 1: bart you're saying, wherever it is. And that's that's what
Speaker 1: makes it so scary, is Yeah, it could be a
Speaker 1: top five pick. It could be you know, you could
Speaker 1: win the Super Bowl. Who the hell knows is what
Speaker 1: makes the trick. And that's the thing is, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1: The Cowboys are in a position where if they made
Speaker 1: the playoffs next year, would it surprise anybody? Really shouldn't.
Speaker 1: I mean, they're a capable team. But if they were
Speaker 1: picking eighth overall, would that necessarily be surprising either? I mean,
Speaker 1: that's possible factor in injuries in everything else. Top ten
Speaker 1: I think would surprise me? It would? It would that
Speaker 1: gets hurt weak two. You know, like I'm just saying,
Speaker 1: then we've got Anthony Gordon to back that. I'll stop
Speaker 1: it in the game of football, right, you know, So
Speaker 1: nothing should would surprise that. That goes into the thinking
Speaker 1: because I'll tell you this, if if it happens like that,
Speaker 1: the Cowboys will not be the only team making calls
Speaker 1: to go up to number three. So that's but it's
Speaker 1: more competition for the Cowboys. So that almost guarantees that
Speaker 1: the one in three is probably not gonna be enough
Speaker 1: one and to two. And hey, the Lions might not
Speaker 1: even do that because they're looking at this draft saying
Speaker 1: we want to come away with Okuda or Derek Brown
Speaker 1: or Zaia Simmons, one of these dudes on defense. To
Speaker 1: make us a better team, we go seventeen. That's just
Speaker 1: not going to do it for us, even if we
Speaker 1: are gaining a one in a two next year for
Speaker 1: a team that might be in the playoffs, which so
Speaker 1: you're talking about a pick in the twenties next year.
Speaker 1: How appealing is that? So that's the thing too, is
Speaker 1: the chart helps you get an idea, right, But it's
Speaker 1: up to the team, it really is. The Lions could
Speaker 1: say we want your entire draft and next year's one,
Speaker 1: or we're not doing it, like they could ask for
Speaker 1: whatever the hell they want. You're the one that wants
Speaker 1: to pick. So I just don't think it's realistic. And
Speaker 1: on top of that, I think the world of Jeff
Speaker 1: Okuda it's not worth it at that position. Like, what's
Speaker 1: the debate we're having right now about, you know, should
Speaker 1: the Cowboys be as ready to move on from Byron
Speaker 1: Jones as they are? Well, where'd they find him? Yeah,
Speaker 1: pick pick twenty seven, Yeah and so and again, and
Speaker 1: why are they so comfortable conceivably letting him go, which
Speaker 1: it sounds like they will do because as good as
Speaker 1: he is, their belief at least is that he does
Speaker 1: not impact the game enough to be worth it. And
Speaker 1: I tend to agree sticking with the at least compared
Speaker 1: to the guys that they have to sign. And that's
Speaker 1: also on that and that's that is the thing for
Speaker 1: the Dallas Cowboys in the era that they are currently in.
Speaker 1: They have so many good, expensive players that they are
Speaker 1: that are taking up so much at the top of
Speaker 1: their salary cap. The only way to offset it and
Speaker 1: hope to be successful is to have draft picks and
Speaker 1: hit on them and replenish the middle of your roster
Speaker 1: with affordable talent. And you can't do that if you're
Speaker 1: trading away picks to acquire one player. That's just my opinion. No,
Speaker 1: I think as well said, and I think we also
Speaker 1: have to factor in what is the gap how this
Speaker 1: team views between Okuda and say, like a CJ. Henderson,
Speaker 1: Sure you know a CJ. If you can get CJ. Henderson,
Speaker 1: say at seventeen, is it really would you rather have
Speaker 1: Jeff A Kuda or would you rather have CJ. Henderson?
Speaker 1: Plus whoever you're taking the first round next year, who
Speaker 1: have you taken a second round next year? I mean
Speaker 1: it's a quantity quality debate. But I start to lean
Speaker 1: more towards the three guys than I would just have one.
Speaker 1: And like, like we said, it's just it's not against Okuda,
Speaker 1: it's not against you know, we think he's an outstanding player.
Speaker 1: But I don't know, I lean more towards Dave. It's
Speaker 1: a very similar conversation than that kind of what we
Speaker 1: had earlier in the week. Maybe not we had, but
Speaker 1: what Cowboys Nation had whenever two. I was talking about
Speaker 1: being a fan of the Cowboys. Oh what would it
Speaker 1: take to go up and get a two attack about
Speaker 1: a little out of Alabama. But at the same time,
Speaker 1: this guy actually fills a position of need. So would
Speaker 1: a one in three intrigue you? But I'm not gonna
Speaker 1: I'm not just gonna say Jeffrey Akuta. Here we said,
Speaker 1: let's get to three. Let's say Chase Young. Somehow it
Speaker 1: gets to three. Would you do it for a Chase Young? Though?
Speaker 1: That would be different because I'm a little I would
Speaker 1: do more inclined. Inclined doing a heartbeat? Okay, he would
Speaker 1: do it in a well, how are you giving up
Speaker 1: in a heartbeat? Are you just saying name your price? Um? Well, no,
Speaker 1: not name your price, but I mean I would give
Speaker 1: a seventeen seventeen next year's one, and then I try
Speaker 1: to give up next year's three or this year's three.
Speaker 1: I try to get it done. They say, you're absolutely
Speaker 1: off your rocker day. Yes, it wouldn't happen. We know
Speaker 1: how good this guy. What about how about this year?
Speaker 1: Next year's one and a two? Yeah, And I don't
Speaker 1: even think that would get it done, because I think so.
Speaker 1: I think the Lions would be crazy to not take
Speaker 1: him at that pick. And the other thing, too, is
Speaker 1: the competition. If Chase Young is still available at three,
Speaker 1: there are gonna be some just crazy offers being thrown
Speaker 1: because people have short memories in the NFL. They saw
Speaker 1: what Nick Bosa did this past year for the forty
Speaker 1: nine Ers as a rookie. And you know, obviously the
Speaker 1: forty nine ers defensive line is stacked and that allowed
Speaker 1: Bosa to have a lot of one on one opportunities
Speaker 1: and all that. But Chase Young has the ability to
Speaker 1: be better than Nick Bosa when we look back at
Speaker 1: this draft. And so if you can add a talent
Speaker 1: like that, you don't pass it by. You go and
Speaker 1: be aggressive and go make it happen. I really think
Speaker 1: I'm only down to do a deal like that for
Speaker 1: a quarterback. I really am out of any position because
Speaker 1: it's the only thing that gives you that much value
Speaker 1: back because it's the most important position in the game.
Speaker 1: He touches the ball every snap. And if I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, we've seen it. You know Houston and Kansas
Speaker 1: City went and got quarterbacks. The Rams and the Eagles
Speaker 1: got golf and wins the same way. Knowing what we
Speaker 1: know now about Nick Bosa. You wouldn't have done that
Speaker 1: for Nick Bosa. I don't think so. See, I would
Speaker 1: like you just you just contradicted yourself though, because the
Speaker 1: Niners are reloaded, like and that's not a knock on Bosa, no,
Speaker 1: but he's got so much. He's got Eric Armstead, he's
Speaker 1: got DeForrest Buckner, he's got Richard Sherman and those guys
Speaker 1: in the secondary helping him like he was the cherry
Speaker 1: on top of what was already a pretty talented defense.
Speaker 1: As he is not the foundational stone of that defense
Speaker 1: and is just doing it. I think a better point is,
Speaker 1: you know, Miles Garrett's been good, and he had a
Speaker 1: good rookie season, but he wasn't Nick Bosa right off
Speaker 1: the back because he didn't have the help right and well,
Speaker 1: and that's part of it. Also part of it is
Speaker 1: he just hasn't necessarily developed some of his go to moves,
Speaker 1: and you know he needs to develop more. But he's
Speaker 1: even he's impacting the quarterback. I understand your point completely
Speaker 1: because you are you are right about in terms of
Speaker 1: touching the football and impacting the game, and um, I
Speaker 1: just I think we can and I'm I love draft picks,
Speaker 1: but the chance to go get a difference maker like that,
Speaker 1: I will say, if the Cowboys pick up a couple
Speaker 1: of free age and defensive tackles and then do that
Speaker 1: deal and you've got Chase Young and DeMarcus Lawrence on
Speaker 1: the same line, you're gonna win a lot of football games, Yes,
Speaker 1: you are. That that will impact out that secondary issue too.
Speaker 1: You're also not going to have a lot of draft
Speaker 1: picks to replenish the middle of your roster, which exactly,
Speaker 1: I mean that's the other day. It's a risk. There's
Speaker 1: no question this is a top heavy team. Yeah, just
Speaker 1: it just is. To their top eight players are about
Speaker 1: as good as anybody in the league could ask to
Speaker 1: be and then their other forty five are you know,
Speaker 1: they have their moments and they can be. You know
Speaker 1: they they were, they looked really good the year before
Speaker 1: in twenty nineteen. The middle of your roster didn't step up.
Speaker 1: And that's a big part of the reason why they
Speaker 1: were a five hundred team. So Akuda, no Chase Young,
Speaker 1: it's a big fat maybe it's a it's a no
Speaker 1: regardless for me. For me because I need the picks.
Speaker 1: Joe Burrow falls to three, I can't sign Dak go.
Speaker 1: I mean yes or no? If you get hit nuts, Dave,
Speaker 1: what do you what do you want me to say
Speaker 1: that I don't put Joe Burrow on the like and
Speaker 1: that's Joe Burrow on this team would be great, but
Speaker 1: at what cost? Yeah, and a cost. You're just gonna
Speaker 1: let Dak Prescott walk away for nothing because like the
Speaker 1: people who think you're trading and trade them for pick three,
Speaker 1: Fortune favors the bold. I mean that's my line. I'm
Speaker 1: actually the one that says that I'm trying to get picks. Guys.
Speaker 1: All right, you know what, I'll take picks. I'll take
Speaker 1: the LSU guy, I know you hate him, I'll take
Speaker 1: them we'll do we'll do it. Let's let's sell the farm. Yes,
Speaker 1: everybody all in for for Joe Burrow. I'm I'm sold.
Speaker 1: I'm trading back. I'm trading back from seventeen. I can't
Speaker 1: trade back from seventeen and still get Calevan Jason can.
Speaker 1: I probably not. I'm not realistic. It's probably not happen.
Speaker 1: I'm trading back from seventeen, getting a corners and picking
Speaker 1: three or two, you know, two or three times on No,
Speaker 1: three times on day three, day two, extra second. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's so fun. That's how you fix the roster. I'll
Speaker 1: take Burrow. Yeah, okay, I'll take Burrow. Well, we started
Speaker 1: the week year, so this second one. Don't do this
Speaker 1: saying let's get nuts, let's get wild. Let's start looking
Speaker 1: at how things could really shape out. At somebody who
Speaker 1: loves at somebody who loves the draft. I would love
Speaker 1: to see that happen. I mean, not somebody, I mean Burrow.
Speaker 1: Burrow's not gonna fall to three, but I mean, but
Speaker 1: you know, the thought, just as a thought exercise, like
Speaker 1: to uh, how he would wind up on the Cowboys
Speaker 1: and what it would look like. It's fast, nat yeah,
Speaker 1: but so unrealistic. It's my job to work in reality.
Speaker 1: Thank you. Yeah, and so I just I just don't
Speaker 1: see it. That's how it goes. But it's okay. Well,
Speaker 1: one thing that's unrealistic is how good Dane Brugler is
Speaker 1: it as John, And thank you so much for joining.
Speaker 1: Thank you guys for having me man. It really has
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