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Speaker 1: doing the process. So far, it's all business here in Indianapolis.

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Speaker 1: Is the twenty twenty NFL Scouting Combine is rolling on,

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Speaker 1: live from Radio row inside the Indiana Convention Center, Kyle

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Speaker 1: Yeoman's Dave Hellman back again with the athletics Dane Brugler,

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Speaker 1: and we came in with a couple of soundbites from

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Speaker 1: the final media session. This is our final show of

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Speaker 1: the week. It's a little bit bitter sweet, and it's

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Speaker 1: borrow from that. But the Golden Domer, Yeah, mister Claypool, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: bend and all that stuff, which is something that like

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Speaker 1: He I'm looking at it right now. He's down I

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Speaker 1: our dating guy. He was the best at six seven eight,

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Speaker 1: which is not far behind the pace of I'm looking

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Speaker 1: for you. After I got home last night, I looked

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Speaker 1: it up I got to my hotel room. The six

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Speaker 1: ever in the history of the combo. So that tells

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Speaker 1: And that's why I'm at where I'm like, Okay, four

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Speaker 1: eight four eight doesn't just jump off the page at you.

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Speaker 1: But give me the four eight with the great three cone,

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Speaker 1: and I'm more excited about that than the four five

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Speaker 1: that's kind of what happened with some of these guys yesterday.

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Speaker 1: And Albert Oh yesterday did not run the three cone

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Speaker 1: of tough to tell on that one. So maybe we'll

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Speaker 1: get to see that during his Zuri Pro Day. So

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Speaker 1: wide receivers, quarterbacks, tight ends, they are done. They're on

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Speaker 1: start their drills tonight. That starts at four o'clock Eastern,

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Speaker 1: three o'clock Central. But today the early morning session, we

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Speaker 1: Draft show, and no your hosts, David Hellman and Kyle

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Speaker 1: Yeoman's write it through that guys, thank you. Have I

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Speaker 1: met with them? No, I haven't. Um, I haven't met

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Speaker 1: I would fit well with them in that scheme. Um.

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Speaker 1: You know, I think I said, I'm a versatile guy,

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Speaker 1: I think I'll fit well in a lot of a

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Speaker 1: lot of schemes. To be honest with you, I don't

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Speaker 1: do well in. So UM, you know, I try to

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Speaker 1: make sure that I am able to fit in any

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Speaker 1: scheme that I am put in. So um, but I

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Speaker 1: think I fit well in this scheme. Dallas Cowboys Draft

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Speaker 1: show back here from Indianapolis and draft sweetheart Alabama safety

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Speaker 1: Xavier McKinney, saying he would fit well into the Cowboys system.

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Speaker 1: He said he'd fit well into any system, but he

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Speaker 1: We can we get him over here and ask him

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Speaker 1: what the Cowboys system is. That's a good question. If

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Speaker 1: I mean, if Rod Marinelli was still here, I would

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Speaker 1: have an idea. But I don't even know what Mike

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Speaker 1: Nolan's got in mind. So I'd love to hear what

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Speaker 1: he thinks that they would do with him. That's a

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Speaker 1: good point, which, to be fair, I think Xavier McKinney

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Speaker 1: can do just about anything you ask of him, at

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Speaker 1: least adequately. I still just top safety on the board. No, no, okay,

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Speaker 1: did you hear him? Someone asked him who the toughest

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Speaker 1: receiver he faced this year? He mentioned h Brian Edwards

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Speaker 1: from South Carolina. Then you're two LSU receivers, so they're nice, man,

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Speaker 1: which you know we were joking somebody on Twitter as

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Speaker 1: there's like, why how come nobody's talking about Jamar Chase

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Speaker 1: because he's going back to LSU because he's going to

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Speaker 1: be only nineteen purple and gold back in baton rouge

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Speaker 1: and Dave Hellman smiles ear to ear on the other

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Speaker 1: side of the table. Well, real quick, I know, I mean,

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Speaker 1: we're gonna do Twitter on the twenty, but I mean,

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Speaker 1: and we talked about the safeties and how you know

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Speaker 1: these are Grant Delpit LSU Xavier McKinney Alabama, both flawed

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Speaker 1: to a degree, both still probably first round picks. Very

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Speaker 1: quickly because you kind of blinked at me when you

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Speaker 1: said I didn't think McKinney was the best. Like, what

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Speaker 1: give me your breakdown of those two where they thank

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Speaker 1: there is that's that's great. Grant Delpa is not a

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Speaker 1: perfect prospect, but he is the best safety. And I know,

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Speaker 1: and I'm about need to be careful what I say

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Speaker 1: because all the hayte and slander, somebody's gonna tweet it.

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Speaker 1: Grant and Delpa is getting uh yeah, and I think

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Speaker 1: with h with Delpit coming into the area, so much

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Speaker 1: hype and um, you know, you see the range, you

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Speaker 1: see the cover awareness, and in today's NFL, that's what

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Speaker 1: matters more more than anything. But you still have to

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Speaker 1: be able to be reliable as a tackler. Um, and

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Speaker 1: he's just it doesn't help that he's not the biggest guy. UM.

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Speaker 1: You know that he it does seem like he makes

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Speaker 1: But I get why. I just struggle with him because

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Speaker 1: there's there's too many negative plays on his tape for

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Speaker 1: a guy that I'm gonna invest a first round pick in.

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Speaker 1: And honestly the same with the thing with Davier McKinney.

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Speaker 1: I don't love either of these guys. Wow, I mean

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Speaker 1: I think it's right. I posted actually on Twitter, um

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Speaker 1: receivers that he thought was the best they faced. I

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Speaker 1: posted an All twenty two clip of when they face

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Speaker 1: Alabama and South Carolina faced off and Brian Edwards just

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Speaker 1: got him turned around, created space and you know I

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Speaker 1: was able to do that. So with Davie McKinney. He's

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Speaker 1: a much better tackler downhill defender, But can you trust

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Speaker 1: him as a guy that's going to be in man coverage?

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Speaker 1: Can you trust him single high? You know he's there

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Speaker 1: are a few examples of him doing these things, but

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Speaker 1: against NFL level athletes, it's just a different animal. And

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Speaker 1: so I like these safeties. I don't love them, and

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Speaker 1: I think it's it's tough to figure out where what

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Speaker 1: I would say, and I know, like I said, Grant Delpits,

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Speaker 1: he's got his flaws. I trust more that you could

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Speaker 1: teach him to tackle with better technique and better effort.

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Speaker 1: It's fixable. It's fixable as opposed to like, if you

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Speaker 1: don't have it in coverage, I just don't think you

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Speaker 1: have it. Yeah. Sure, And Grant Delpit for two years

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Speaker 1: has displayed in ability uh to cover and to make

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Speaker 1: plays in coverage, which is what this defense in Dallas

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Speaker 1: has so sorely needed. Which is why I think he's

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Speaker 1: the more valuable of the two players. And I think

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Speaker 1: that's that's a that's a good argument, and said that

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Speaker 1: we don't have to get all into it. I said

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Speaker 1: on Wednesday, like, I don't think the Cowboys would draft

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Speaker 1: either one of them at seventeen. Yeah, not at not

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Speaker 1: at seventeen maybe oh yeah, yeah. I think there might

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Speaker 1: be a little bit too much of those scenarios and

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Speaker 1: those uh, those holes on the back end of the

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Speaker 1: defense that need to be filled before they take a

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Speaker 1: safety at seventeen. But with that being said, let's get

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Speaker 1: into Twitter on the twenty Twitter. Our first question here

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Speaker 1: as the Cowboys happy or sad if Tua goes at

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Speaker 1: number two and we avoid Chase Young, being that the

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Speaker 1: Redskins don't take happy, happy, very happy. So you the

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Speaker 1: generational pass rusher out of the division. Yes, but you

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Speaker 1: would rather face twa overall for however long and face

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Speaker 1: I get wow, I didn't even think about it. You

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Speaker 1: would have just like la, I mean, get all right,

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Speaker 1: if if if twas going to be healthy and you're

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Speaker 1: then probably just draft Chase Young. So there's a there's

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Speaker 1: a big if there though, no for sure, So it's

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Speaker 1: it's it's do you take the gamble. I'm not ready

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Speaker 1: to sit here in February of twenty twenty and say

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Speaker 1: that twas going to be a bus though. I mean, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I have concerns, but I'm not ready to say it's

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Speaker 1: not be surprised that come draft draft Day, would not

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Speaker 1: be surprised if either Justin Herbert or Jordan Love was

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Speaker 1: the second quarterback drafted. Would not be surprised at all.

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Speaker 1: But not out there do you think which Okay, Dan

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Speaker 1: Snyder's known been known to do some crazy stuff. I mean,

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Speaker 1: the word on the street is I mean that Dwayne

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Speaker 1: Haskins was a Dan Snyder absolutely. So it's hard for

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Speaker 1: a guy he wanted so badly last year after one year,

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Speaker 1: especially because the coaches didn't want him. So yeah, Snyder

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Speaker 1: kind of flex his muscles on that one. Maybe maybe

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Speaker 1: let's go get this other guy. I have to believe

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Speaker 1: that part of the coaching interview process was not so

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Speaker 1: what do you think about our quarterback situation? It was so,

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Speaker 1: how are you going to make Dwayne Haskins a good player.

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00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:26,920
Speaker 1: I would hope so so, But it wasn't even the

639
00:31:27,040 --> 00:31:30,560
Speaker 1: option of, you know, like that's how a healthy franchise

640
00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:33,000
Speaker 1: would do it. I think, well, no, I mean I

641
00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:36,040
Speaker 1: think I think a healthy franchise is probably gonna be

642
00:31:36,120 --> 00:31:39,240
Speaker 1: more along the lines of what about our quarterback situation

643
00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:42,800
Speaker 1: and not saying our quarterback is Dwayne Haskins, what are

644
00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:44,560
Speaker 1: we going to do with him? Like just because you

645
00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:48,040
Speaker 1: want you want to coach that wants to coach him,

646
00:31:48,120 --> 00:31:50,720
Speaker 1: not feels like they have to coach him. But it's

647
00:31:50,760 --> 00:31:53,840
Speaker 1: tough because, uh, you know, Haskins, we saw so little

648
00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:55,640
Speaker 1: of him, and the little that we did see was

649
00:31:55,720 --> 00:31:59,520
Speaker 1: not positive. But we cite example after example of guys

650
00:31:59,560 --> 00:32:02,480
Speaker 1: a struggle it as rookies. Um, I think with the Redskins,

651
00:32:02,600 --> 00:32:06,240
Speaker 1: you know, we'll see with Trent Williams coming back, we'll see. Yeah,

652
00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:09,560
Speaker 1: they've had a pretty promising wide receiver a group with

653
00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:13,080
Speaker 1: led by Terry McLaurin, So you know, well, we'll see.

654
00:32:13,080 --> 00:32:15,120
Speaker 1: I think hopefully I'd like to see Dwayne Haskins get

655
00:32:15,120 --> 00:32:18,400
Speaker 1: another year, especially with the new new coaching staff in there.

656
00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:21,040
Speaker 1: But with when you're sitting when you're picking number two overall,

657
00:32:21,080 --> 00:32:23,480
Speaker 1: you have to at least do your due diligence on

658
00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:25,600
Speaker 1: on the quarterbacks that could be available with do Well.

659
00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:28,520
Speaker 1: And it's also not unheard of to see a quarterback

660
00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:32,360
Speaker 1: selected in the first round by an organization back to

661
00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:34,320
Speaker 1: back years. I mean we saw it just most recently

662
00:32:34,360 --> 00:32:36,320
Speaker 1: with Josh Rosen. That was like the first time I

663
00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:38,720
Speaker 1: was gonna say it's not unheard of because it happened.

664
00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:43,520
Speaker 1: So but the modern NFL, I mean, right, it's a

665
00:32:43,560 --> 00:32:46,200
Speaker 1: lot of impatience out there, so you know, that's why

666
00:32:46,280 --> 00:32:49,280
Speaker 1: you can't completely rule it out. But because Haskins was

667
00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:53,160
Speaker 1: a Snyder pick, because he, like I said, flex his muscles,

668
00:32:53,360 --> 00:32:57,360
Speaker 1: over overruled the coaches and went that direction, I don't

669
00:32:57,400 --> 00:32:59,280
Speaker 1: think he's going to be ready to just move on

670
00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:03,000
Speaker 1: from that pick. So now it if if if a

671
00:33:03,120 --> 00:33:05,680
Speaker 1: quarterback has taken two overall, I bet a trade out

672
00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:08,400
Speaker 1: Washington traded out of that, traded out of it. I

673
00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:10,480
Speaker 1: don't think that's the worst idea I've ever heard, Like

674
00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:14,880
Speaker 1: I don't That roster, in my opinion, is not as

675
00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:17,600
Speaker 1: flat out awful as you would expect from a team

676
00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:20,000
Speaker 1: picking number two. Mike, You've got some talent on the

677
00:33:20,080 --> 00:33:23,480
Speaker 1: O line, You've got some talented pass like their front,

678
00:33:23,600 --> 00:33:26,720
Speaker 1: their defensive front is very impressive. They need defensive backs.

679
00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:29,440
Speaker 1: They could I mean, Terry McLaurin broke out, but they

680
00:33:29,520 --> 00:33:31,200
Speaker 1: you know, they could use some other skill players. But

681
00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:35,840
Speaker 1: I don't think that the Redskins are as atrociously untalented

682
00:33:35,840 --> 00:33:37,840
Speaker 1: as you would expect from a team picking number two.

683
00:33:38,080 --> 00:33:39,880
Speaker 1: Dane being a guy who's kind of kept up with

684
00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:42,840
Speaker 1: these organizations, is it out of the question to see

685
00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:45,960
Speaker 1: Miami maybe give up two of their three first round

686
00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:47,600
Speaker 1: picks and try and go up to two and make

687
00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:50,640
Speaker 1: sure that they do snag Ato. If they're convinced that

688
00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:52,240
Speaker 1: two is going to be healthy and gonna be there

689
00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:54,000
Speaker 1: a guy, then that's what you do. That's why you

690
00:33:54,560 --> 00:33:56,560
Speaker 1: you gather all these draft picks so you can be

691
00:33:56,760 --> 00:34:00,280
Speaker 1: aggressive and go get the right quarterback. It just we

692
00:34:00,440 --> 00:34:02,880
Speaker 1: just have no idea of I mean, so we could

693
00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:04,320
Speaker 1: see it, We just have no idea of knowing if

694
00:34:04,360 --> 00:34:07,440
Speaker 1: that's how Miami's going to feel, and we're not gonna

695
00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:09,879
Speaker 1: know until at least April ninth, when two was able

696
00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:12,359
Speaker 1: to do his personal pro day. We see him throw,

697
00:34:12,520 --> 00:34:15,040
Speaker 1: we see the body movements. Um, that's going to be

698
00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:18,080
Speaker 1: such a big part of the process for any team

699
00:34:18,360 --> 00:34:22,160
Speaker 1: that's considering UH to UH, and it's just the quarterbacks.

700
00:34:22,719 --> 00:34:25,200
Speaker 1: They drive the conversation every year and this year is

701
00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:28,640
Speaker 1: no different. And but there's we're not forcing the conversation

702
00:34:28,680 --> 00:34:31,520
Speaker 1: because there's a lot of intrigue at the top. Well

703
00:34:31,680 --> 00:34:34,880
Speaker 1: but maybe not the top because Joe Burrow, even I

704
00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:38,840
Speaker 1: know he didn't do anything um last night at dalen

705
00:34:38,880 --> 00:34:41,000
Speaker 1: Field drills, the running anything like that, but I tell

706
00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:43,719
Speaker 1: you what he I was watching him on the sideline.

707
00:34:43,960 --> 00:34:46,560
Speaker 1: He was one of the first guys up fist bumps,

708
00:34:46,840 --> 00:34:49,680
Speaker 1: high fives with all the receivers tight ends. He just

709
00:34:49,800 --> 00:34:52,480
Speaker 1: has his magnetism to him where it just goes guys.

710
00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:54,759
Speaker 1: And he's not a he's not a rut well we know,

711
00:34:55,120 --> 00:34:57,759
Speaker 1: look at the sparkle in them. I'm sorry, yeah, the

712
00:34:57,880 --> 00:35:04,000
Speaker 1: other day just pop Burrows here. He's not a raw,

713
00:35:04,080 --> 00:35:06,480
Speaker 1: raw guy. He's not a you know, a guy that's

714
00:35:06,520 --> 00:35:09,320
Speaker 1: gonna be overly vocal. But he just has a presence

715
00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:12,239
Speaker 1: to him that I think teammates really rally around, really

716
00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:15,319
Speaker 1: resonates with them. And that's something that really showed. Even

717
00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:18,400
Speaker 1: Burrow didn't do anything, um, you know, drill wise, but

718
00:35:18,520 --> 00:35:20,800
Speaker 1: I came away impressed, and if I was impressed by it,

719
00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:23,000
Speaker 1: I could promise you Scott's for paying attention as well.

720
00:35:24,120 --> 00:35:26,719
Speaker 1: And our next question Daniel Roberts, has to do with

721
00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:30,280
Speaker 1: last night as well. But he asked everyone or everybody

722
00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:34,160
Speaker 1: last year made a big stink about DK Metcalf's testing.

723
00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:37,480
Speaker 1: Why isn't anybody making a big deal about Jalen Ragers

724
00:35:37,520 --> 00:35:41,279
Speaker 1: just yet? I don't. I mean, was it think historically bad?

725
00:35:41,600 --> 00:35:44,000
Speaker 1: I mean you're gonna say kind of average, we're the

726
00:35:44,080 --> 00:35:46,440
Speaker 1: best way to Yeah, I mean I think it was

727
00:35:46,719 --> 00:35:50,759
Speaker 1: probably disappointing because people were expecting Jalen Ragor to run

728
00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:53,560
Speaker 1: like a four degree, to come out and set the

729
00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:56,160
Speaker 1: world on fight. If I'm not mistaken, Like his times

730
00:35:56,239 --> 00:35:58,719
Speaker 1: were all like within an acceptable range of what you

731
00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:01,160
Speaker 1: would want from a draftable wide receiver, right right. I

732
00:36:01,200 --> 00:36:03,600
Speaker 1: think just in our minds, it was so inflaced to

733
00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:06,480
Speaker 1: be freaky, yeah right, And that was a four four

734
00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:08,719
Speaker 1: seven in the forty last night. Yeah, and no, so

735
00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:12,480
Speaker 1: sub still really good. And this is the guy that

736
00:36:12,520 --> 00:36:14,720
Speaker 1: won a state championship in the long jump in high school,

737
00:36:14,760 --> 00:36:17,320
Speaker 1: so we knew the jumps were going to be really impressive,

738
00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:20,000
Speaker 1: and they were. He did not disappoint with the jumps,

739
00:36:20,440 --> 00:36:24,680
Speaker 1: that lower body explosiveness. Um, I was more like the

740
00:36:24,760 --> 00:36:26,520
Speaker 1: forty year Dash was a little disappointed. I wasn't more

741
00:36:26,560 --> 00:36:30,120
Speaker 1: concerned about the shuttles. We're not We're not great, and

742
00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:33,480
Speaker 1: that's something that you would a little surprised and you

743
00:36:33,520 --> 00:36:35,319
Speaker 1: expected him better right of him. He had a four

744
00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:38,160
Speaker 1: four six in the shuttle, Yeah, which is not a

745
00:36:38,280 --> 00:36:42,400
Speaker 1: great time. Umkondro was a seven three one Yeah. No,

746
00:36:42,560 --> 00:36:44,719
Speaker 1: I mean I would go as far as to say

747
00:36:44,840 --> 00:36:49,320
Speaker 1: he had a disappointing day. Yeah. But like basically, people

748
00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:52,000
Speaker 1: said last year that dk Metcalf was so stiff and

749
00:36:52,120 --> 00:36:54,920
Speaker 1: so athletic unathletic that he couldn't do anything except run

750
00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:56,959
Speaker 1: in a straight line. Yeah. I don't think we're saying

751
00:36:57,000 --> 00:36:58,800
Speaker 1: that about Jalen Raiders. I don't think so either, but

752
00:36:58,880 --> 00:37:02,800
Speaker 1: I do. I mean, you know, entering the combine, we

753
00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:04,719
Speaker 1: you know on the draft show before the show, and

754
00:37:04,760 --> 00:37:07,319
Speaker 1: I feel like the narrative was that Dane talked about

755
00:37:07,360 --> 00:37:10,080
Speaker 1: the trio of Lamb, Judy and Rugs. A lot of

756
00:37:10,120 --> 00:37:12,400
Speaker 1: people thought Jalen Ragor was in the conversation to be

757
00:37:12,440 --> 00:37:14,960
Speaker 1: the next best guy after that, And no, like we

758
00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:16,680
Speaker 1: said at the top of the show, nobody was talking

759
00:37:16,680 --> 00:37:19,480
Speaker 1: about Justin Jefferson. And that's what these drills do, is

760
00:37:19,520 --> 00:37:21,520
Speaker 1: they flip it because obviously one guy had a much

761
00:37:21,560 --> 00:37:23,759
Speaker 1: better night than the other. Yeah, And I you know,

762
00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:26,320
Speaker 1: I didn't think Ragor was a first round pick, but

763
00:37:27,120 --> 00:37:29,160
Speaker 1: I thought that, you know, he had a chance to

764
00:37:29,239 --> 00:37:31,120
Speaker 1: really help himself, and I don't think he did that.

765
00:37:31,200 --> 00:37:34,360
Speaker 1: And I don't think he's necessarily dropping. But in a

766
00:37:34,480 --> 00:37:37,160
Speaker 1: loaded class like this, like we've been talking about, it's

767
00:37:37,200 --> 00:37:41,000
Speaker 1: the littlest things that could really separate yourself. Kent Garrison

768
00:37:41,080 --> 00:37:44,360
Speaker 1: coming on by a former member of the Cowboys staff saying, Hi, oh,

769
00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:47,160
Speaker 1: here he comes here it is there's the cameo. That's

770
00:37:47,160 --> 00:37:51,320
Speaker 1: exactly how radio row goes. Next question comes from Connor,

771
00:37:51,400 --> 00:37:53,360
Speaker 1: and this is an intriguing one because we've talked about

772
00:37:53,400 --> 00:37:56,359
Speaker 1: this prospect before. Connor asked, where do you see Terrell

773
00:37:56,400 --> 00:37:58,880
Speaker 1: Burgess playing at the next level? Of course, out of

774
00:37:59,120 --> 00:38:01,440
Speaker 1: Utah and he little on the smaller side for a

775
00:38:01,520 --> 00:38:04,680
Speaker 1: safety prospect, but in my opinion, that's where he projects best.

776
00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:07,439
Speaker 1: Is he good enough as a cover guy to play

777
00:38:07,520 --> 00:38:10,200
Speaker 1: both spots, both nickel and safety. So I think he's

778
00:38:10,239 --> 00:38:12,719
Speaker 1: kind of the the in between. He's a nickel too,

779
00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:14,279
Speaker 1: you know, he's I don't I don't know that he

780
00:38:14,360 --> 00:38:17,200
Speaker 1: can do everything that you want to safety. I don't

781
00:38:17,200 --> 00:38:18,720
Speaker 1: know that you can do everything you want a corner,

782
00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:21,120
Speaker 1: But I think he can do everything you want a

783
00:38:21,239 --> 00:38:23,759
Speaker 1: nickel player, so you can play that inside position. He

784
00:38:23,960 --> 00:38:27,680
Speaker 1: understands relationships between multiple routes. He can read those combinations,

785
00:38:28,360 --> 00:38:30,719
Speaker 1: and he flips his hips. He can run, he can

786
00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:33,440
Speaker 1: find the football, he can locate. And the guy you

787
00:38:33,520 --> 00:38:36,200
Speaker 1: talked to his coaches about him, They rave about this

788
00:38:36,320 --> 00:38:39,840
Speaker 1: guy as smarts. How you know, the character impacts the

789
00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:42,359
Speaker 1: rest of the locker room. So he is a guy

790
00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:45,759
Speaker 1: that off the field, no no concerns team guy on

791
00:38:45,920 --> 00:38:49,000
Speaker 1: the field, not someone that's you know, he might be

792
00:38:49,040 --> 00:38:51,120
Speaker 1: a little scheme specific with how you use him in

793
00:38:51,160 --> 00:38:54,080
Speaker 1: the sub packages. But you know, we're talking about a

794
00:38:54,200 --> 00:38:57,279
Speaker 1: late third, early fourth rounder probably, So that's why there's

795
00:38:57,280 --> 00:38:59,879
Speaker 1: a discount sticker on him compared to being talked about

796
00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:01,839
Speaker 1: the first or second rounder. And we talked to him

797
00:39:02,200 --> 00:39:04,320
Speaker 1: earlier this morning and he also said, even though he

798
00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:09,040
Speaker 1: grew up in California, his family was full of diehard

799
00:39:09,400 --> 00:39:11,600
Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys fans. They would go to the games all

800
00:39:11,640 --> 00:39:13,720
Speaker 1: the time. They would find a way to go to Texas.

801
00:39:13,840 --> 00:39:15,760
Speaker 1: So I mean that's another guy that you could potentially

802
00:39:15,840 --> 00:39:18,520
Speaker 1: look at as one of those former Cowboys fans that

803
00:39:19,640 --> 00:39:22,800
Speaker 1: could end up just filling a position of need in

804
00:39:22,920 --> 00:39:26,640
Speaker 1: their former fandom. Now moving on, this is another this

805
00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:29,960
Speaker 1: or that question and says, would you take Javon kin

806
00:39:30,040 --> 00:39:32,800
Speaker 1: Law out of South Carolina defensive tackle or one of

807
00:39:32,840 --> 00:39:36,080
Speaker 1: the top three receivers if they fell to seventeen? Those

808
00:39:36,120 --> 00:39:38,640
Speaker 1: top three receivers that he tweeted about, where Seedee Lamb

809
00:39:38,680 --> 00:39:41,520
Speaker 1: out of Oklahoma, Jerry Judy out of Alabama, and then

810
00:39:41,600 --> 00:39:44,840
Speaker 1: his teammate from college, Henry Ruggs the third. I'm driving

811
00:39:44,880 --> 00:39:47,840
Speaker 1: the flirty Burger train. You are even I wouldn't do that,

812
00:39:48,200 --> 00:39:51,680
Speaker 1: ye give me. I mean the second best defensive tackle

813
00:39:51,719 --> 00:39:53,680
Speaker 1: in the class, I mean Derek Browns, and you know

814
00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:55,759
Speaker 1: he's in his own category. He'll be long gone. But

815
00:39:56,840 --> 00:39:58,560
Speaker 1: Ken Law can do so much stuff. He can be

816
00:39:58,640 --> 00:40:03,360
Speaker 1: so disruptive. I think he's he's rare in general. But

817
00:40:03,480 --> 00:40:04,920
Speaker 1: then throw that in there with the fact that this

818
00:40:05,040 --> 00:40:07,800
Speaker 1: receiver class is absurd. Yep. Also, if you want to

819
00:40:07,800 --> 00:40:11,920
Speaker 1: get really Cowboys specific, there's so much smoke coming out

820
00:40:11,960 --> 00:40:15,200
Speaker 1: of Indie this week that I mean Randall Cobb's coming back. Yeah,

821
00:40:15,239 --> 00:40:17,399
Speaker 1: I'll be shocked if he doesn't, based on what we've heard.

822
00:40:17,520 --> 00:40:20,320
Speaker 1: So you know, we'll see what happens with a Marii Cooper.

823
00:40:20,440 --> 00:40:23,480
Speaker 1: But it seems reasonable that your top three receivers are

824
00:40:23,520 --> 00:40:27,360
Speaker 1: all back. You don't have any defensive tackles under contract.

825
00:40:27,440 --> 00:40:29,799
Speaker 1: Like the value there, I think it's really mismatched when

826
00:40:29,800 --> 00:40:31,799
Speaker 1: you consider that you could get a great receiver at

827
00:40:32,160 --> 00:40:35,160
Speaker 1: pick eighty, let alone pick seventeen. It's tough because I

828
00:40:35,200 --> 00:40:39,440
Speaker 1: think on my board I will have Lamb as a

829
00:40:39,600 --> 00:40:43,320
Speaker 1: higher graded player than kit in Law. But everything you

830
00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:45,200
Speaker 1: said I agree with, you know, in terms of it's

831
00:40:45,239 --> 00:40:49,080
Speaker 1: why best player available is a lie, very subjective. It's

832
00:40:49,080 --> 00:40:54,600
Speaker 1: a lie. It's their context is require didn't you're right

833
00:40:54,600 --> 00:40:56,240
Speaker 1: about you know you can wait in the receiver position.

834
00:40:56,320 --> 00:40:59,279
Speaker 1: I would have a hard freaking time moving away from

835
00:40:59,520 --> 00:41:03,600
Speaker 1: from um Cede Lamb. Oh Yeah, that would be agonizing,

836
00:41:03,760 --> 00:41:06,000
Speaker 1: That would be tough. But when you look at it

837
00:41:06,040 --> 00:41:08,560
Speaker 1: and say, you know everything you just said about defensive

838
00:41:08,600 --> 00:41:10,839
Speaker 1: tackle and how that's a bigger need, how you can

839
00:41:11,120 --> 00:41:12,840
Speaker 1: you really want a receiver? Okay, you can wait and

840
00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:15,960
Speaker 1: still get a pretty pretty talented wide out second third,

841
00:41:16,040 --> 00:41:19,279
Speaker 1: fourth round. Um, yeah, I mean I think I I'm

842
00:41:19,280 --> 00:41:24,799
Speaker 1: going to ride the fence here. Uh sorry, sorry, because yeah,

843
00:41:24,840 --> 00:41:28,759
Speaker 1: where's broad coward, coward? This is make a decision, coward.

844
00:41:28,800 --> 00:41:32,160
Speaker 1: It's February, it's not April. Uh not yet. So I

845
00:41:32,200 --> 00:41:34,759
Speaker 1: would LAMB is a better player, but I think i'd

846
00:41:34,760 --> 00:41:37,600
Speaker 1: probably lead more towards you. It reminds me, which this

847
00:41:37,800 --> 00:41:41,240
Speaker 1: is a terrible example, because Taco Charlton didn't even finish

848
00:41:41,280 --> 00:41:44,320
Speaker 1: his rookie contract. Ye, the reason they did it in

849
00:41:44,360 --> 00:41:45,960
Speaker 1: the first place. Yeah, I know they should have picked

850
00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:47,680
Speaker 1: t J. Watt, But the reason they did it is

851
00:41:48,440 --> 00:41:50,840
Speaker 1: we can we have to get the pass rusher that

852
00:41:50,920 --> 00:41:53,600
Speaker 1: can make an impact here and there will be dbs

853
00:41:53,760 --> 00:41:56,480
Speaker 1: down the line for us. Yeah. And they turned out

854
00:41:56,520 --> 00:41:58,560
Speaker 1: to be right about that to a degree. They picked

855
00:41:58,600 --> 00:42:01,239
Speaker 1: the wrong pass rusher. But that's strategy would sound you

856
00:42:01,320 --> 00:42:03,880
Speaker 1: know what I mean, That's fair, And so I just

857
00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:06,279
Speaker 1: feel way better about their odds of finding a good

858
00:42:06,320 --> 00:42:10,040
Speaker 1: receiver later than a defensive tackle who can actually make

859
00:42:10,080 --> 00:42:11,959
Speaker 1: an impact at least early. And I think I would

860
00:42:11,960 --> 00:42:14,880
Speaker 1: agree here as well, because would you agree with me

861
00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:17,520
Speaker 1: here that either one of those four guys. If you

862
00:42:17,680 --> 00:42:21,360
Speaker 1: had rugs Lamb, Judy or kin Law coming to Dallas

863
00:42:21,400 --> 00:42:23,360
Speaker 1: wearing the Navy blue blazer in the next couple of

864
00:42:23,400 --> 00:42:25,799
Speaker 1: days holding up a jersey in a press conference, would

865
00:42:25,840 --> 00:42:32,919
Speaker 1: you be happy, I'm sorry, Judy, ruggs Ki, Law or Lamb.

866
00:42:32,960 --> 00:42:36,319
Speaker 1: Would you be ecstatic about any of those four guys? Yes,

867
00:42:36,440 --> 00:42:39,480
Speaker 1: you pick no matter what, at least at the moment.

868
00:42:39,560 --> 00:42:41,680
Speaker 1: Whenever we come to draft time, that's what it looks like.

869
00:42:41,800 --> 00:42:43,640
Speaker 1: It looks like those are four guys that are going

870
00:42:43,680 --> 00:42:45,879
Speaker 1: to make an im media impact for your football team.

871
00:42:45,960 --> 00:42:49,200
Speaker 1: So I think you have a little bit of confidence,

872
00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:51,960
Speaker 1: you have a little bit of peace knowing that you're

873
00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:54,080
Speaker 1: going to get a guy if if this is the

874
00:42:54,160 --> 00:42:57,359
Speaker 1: scenario that works out and you have a decision to make,

875
00:42:57,520 --> 00:43:00,279
Speaker 1: And honestly, another thing that's really encouraging is that there's

876
00:43:00,280 --> 00:43:02,600
Speaker 1: a chance that one of those four guys is there

877
00:43:02,920 --> 00:43:05,960
Speaker 1: at seventeen based on the offensive tackles and the quarterbacks

878
00:43:06,200 --> 00:43:09,320
Speaker 1: that could go earlier. I will say this, the fans

879
00:43:09,400 --> 00:43:12,319
Speaker 1: never forget the fans never forget who you passed on. Uh,

880
00:43:12,719 --> 00:43:14,600
Speaker 1: you know, whether it's a you know, T. J. Watt

881
00:43:14,680 --> 00:43:18,320
Speaker 1: or whoever. They will not forget um. So you know,

882
00:43:18,560 --> 00:43:21,799
Speaker 1: it's not like that you need to create any any

883
00:43:21,880 --> 00:43:24,399
Speaker 1: pressure that they are don't already feel. But it would

884
00:43:24,400 --> 00:43:26,040
Speaker 1: be tucked to pass on one of those guys and

885
00:43:26,120 --> 00:43:29,520
Speaker 1: take the other. That's one of the intricacies of the

886
00:43:29,600 --> 00:43:32,640
Speaker 1: draft that makes it so so fun. One more question

887
00:43:32,960 --> 00:43:35,960
Speaker 1: here for Twitter on the twenty Jeremy says, who was

888
00:43:36,040 --> 00:43:39,000
Speaker 1: the bell of the interview circuit throughout the course of

889
00:43:39,040 --> 00:43:46,000
Speaker 1: the week and any particularly negative interviewees. The thing about that,

890
00:43:46,239 --> 00:43:48,200
Speaker 1: like you're talking about with us or with the team

891
00:43:48,320 --> 00:43:52,239
Speaker 1: with all of it teams, okay, let's do with media, Yeah,

892
00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:53,800
Speaker 1: stay with us? Okay, Yeah, I was gonna say, we

893
00:43:53,840 --> 00:43:57,080
Speaker 1: don't know and trust what's coming out of it. Out

894
00:43:57,120 --> 00:43:59,960
Speaker 1: of the team thirty seven parking tickets for Ross Blacklaw

895
00:44:00,239 --> 00:44:01,799
Speaker 1: is one of the few fun ones that I've heard.

896
00:44:01,880 --> 00:44:05,239
Speaker 1: But out of the media, didn't anyone really stick out

897
00:44:05,239 --> 00:44:07,680
Speaker 1: to you as being a couple years ago in to

898
00:44:07,840 --> 00:44:10,560
Speaker 1: New Callaway to me was just it was so bad,

899
00:44:10,960 --> 00:44:14,120
Speaker 1: like he was so nervous and he was not comfortable,

900
00:44:14,360 --> 00:44:16,520
Speaker 1: and it was it was a rough thing to go

901
00:44:16,680 --> 00:44:18,640
Speaker 1: through and to the point where I was felt sorry

902
00:44:18,680 --> 00:44:20,960
Speaker 1: for him, like just this is not going well, and

903
00:44:21,320 --> 00:44:23,239
Speaker 1: I don't think there was anything like that, at least

904
00:44:23,520 --> 00:44:25,759
Speaker 1: not that I was a part of yes year. I

905
00:44:25,880 --> 00:44:28,960
Speaker 1: have to be totally transparent, like with my duties as

906
00:44:29,000 --> 00:44:31,480
Speaker 1: a beat writer and chasing the Jones family around like

907
00:44:32,080 --> 00:44:34,400
Speaker 1: I didn't. I wasn't at as many interviews as the

908
00:44:34,440 --> 00:44:38,200
Speaker 1: two of y'all. M Nobody really jumped out to me

909
00:44:38,280 --> 00:44:42,560
Speaker 1: as just like a terrible interview. I think someone keep

910
00:44:42,600 --> 00:44:48,320
Speaker 1: it to today. This morning, Jeff Okuda was dude and

911
00:44:49,000 --> 00:44:50,680
Speaker 1: what you would expect from a corner you know. He

912
00:44:51,200 --> 00:44:53,919
Speaker 1: I thought was really fascinating when a couple of times

913
00:44:53,960 --> 00:44:55,560
Speaker 1: when someone asked him, like, you know, how do you

914
00:44:55,800 --> 00:44:58,920
Speaker 1: clean up your sloppy plays? And he's like, I had

915
00:44:59,040 --> 00:45:02,200
Speaker 1: zero pass interference penalties, had zero defensive holding penalties, Like

916
00:45:02,680 --> 00:45:04,040
Speaker 1: you need to go back to the tape and watch

917
00:45:04,640 --> 00:45:07,000
Speaker 1: explain to me these sloppy plays. And then later he

918
00:45:07,520 --> 00:45:09,440
Speaker 1: someone asked about, you know, as he pay attention to

919
00:45:09,960 --> 00:45:11,960
Speaker 1: teams that are picking on top of the draft, he

920
00:45:12,200 --> 00:45:14,719
Speaker 1: literally rattled off, Okay, well you know this is the

921
00:45:14,800 --> 00:45:17,880
Speaker 1: Redskins depth chart at cornerback. You know, they just got

922
00:45:17,960 --> 00:45:20,480
Speaker 1: rid of Josh Norman, they're negotiating with Dunbar that he

923
00:45:20,560 --> 00:45:22,359
Speaker 1: went through the top five. Every team in the top five,

924
00:45:22,600 --> 00:45:24,400
Speaker 1: he knew their depth chart in and out at the

925
00:45:24,480 --> 00:45:27,160
Speaker 1: cornerback position. This is a guy does his homework. He's

926
00:45:27,200 --> 00:45:30,759
Speaker 1: paying attention, very very bright individual. We're gonna go We're

927
00:45:30,760 --> 00:45:33,239
Speaker 1: gonna go deeper into Jeffrey Okuda here in a little bit.

928
00:45:33,360 --> 00:45:35,080
Speaker 1: I will say, so, I don't mean to you know,

929
00:45:35,360 --> 00:45:39,160
Speaker 1: we're not talking to Antonio Callaway or Robert Kimdici from

930
00:45:39,200 --> 00:45:41,160
Speaker 1: a few years ago. That was brutal. That was bad.

931
00:45:41,560 --> 00:45:45,600
Speaker 1: Um who you got, who you got Tua, not in

932
00:45:45,719 --> 00:45:47,799
Speaker 1: the sense that he was like, I mean, he's fine.

933
00:45:47,880 --> 00:45:51,440
Speaker 1: He seems like a super nice guy, very like mature

934
00:45:51,520 --> 00:45:55,600
Speaker 1: and polite. But I was just bored and underwhelmed. Uh

935
00:45:55,800 --> 00:45:58,480
Speaker 1: And it felt like it felt a little phony, for

936
00:45:58,600 --> 00:46:00,520
Speaker 1: lack of a better word for me. Like a example

937
00:46:00,640 --> 00:46:02,360
Speaker 1: is he's like, you know, I don't think you know,

938
00:46:02,600 --> 00:46:04,799
Speaker 1: the story goes if you don't know that his dad

939
00:46:04,960 --> 00:46:07,920
Speaker 1: just turned him into a lefty basics right, and you know,

940
00:46:07,960 --> 00:46:09,759
Speaker 1: he just had him start throwing with a left hand

941
00:46:09,840 --> 00:46:12,480
Speaker 1: with his left hand early on in life. And he said,

942
00:46:12,600 --> 00:46:13,799
Speaker 1: and he's like, you know, I don't I don't think

943
00:46:13,800 --> 00:46:15,960
Speaker 1: i'd be here. I don't think I'd be here if

944
00:46:15,960 --> 00:46:18,560
Speaker 1: he hadn't done that. And somebody immediately was like why,

945
00:46:19,120 --> 00:46:21,640
Speaker 1: Like how do you know? And he's like, what is

946
00:46:21,640 --> 00:46:24,560
Speaker 1: it about being left handed that makes you so confident?

947
00:46:24,880 --> 00:46:27,560
Speaker 1: And he's like he's like, well, I don't know, Like

948
00:46:27,640 --> 00:46:29,560
Speaker 1: I've never thrown with my right hand. It's like, well, yeah,

949
00:46:29,640 --> 00:46:31,960
Speaker 1: but you're obviously talent enough to have gotten here, like

950
00:46:32,040 --> 00:46:33,840
Speaker 1: it stands to reason you could have done it. And

951
00:46:33,960 --> 00:46:36,120
Speaker 1: somebody else was like, well, what's so different about playing

952
00:46:36,160 --> 00:46:38,440
Speaker 1: left hand? And he was like, I don't know. The

953
00:46:38,520 --> 00:46:40,200
Speaker 1: ball spinds a different way. And I was just like

954
00:46:40,400 --> 00:46:43,440
Speaker 1: you and somebody else somebody was like, what's your greatest strength?

955
00:46:43,520 --> 00:46:44,840
Speaker 1: What do you need to work on? The mode? He

956
00:46:44,960 --> 00:46:47,040
Speaker 1: was just like, I don't like talking about myself, Like

957
00:46:47,120 --> 00:46:49,239
Speaker 1: I'm I'm embarrassed, I'm shy. You guys are making me

958
00:46:49,280 --> 00:46:50,839
Speaker 1: talk about myself. I was like, guess what, bro, that's

959
00:46:50,920 --> 00:46:53,960
Speaker 1: the point of this whole thing. Give me something, tell

960
00:46:54,040 --> 00:46:57,160
Speaker 1: me something interesting, because it just sounds like it was

961
00:46:57,320 --> 00:46:59,400
Speaker 1: very It just felt very phony to me. I was like,

962
00:46:59,480 --> 00:47:01,160
Speaker 1: give me a little more context, give me a little

963
00:47:01,160 --> 00:47:04,680
Speaker 1: more detail. He came off very tired and very like

964
00:47:05,120 --> 00:47:08,080
Speaker 1: he was in the hospital for fourteen hours. I think

965
00:47:08,120 --> 00:47:10,040
Speaker 1: that is the contact I'm trying to get at, Like,

966
00:47:10,080 --> 00:47:11,839
Speaker 1: I think that played a part, Like he just came

967
00:47:11,880 --> 00:47:14,359
Speaker 1: off like he was it was not the right frame

968
00:47:14,400 --> 00:47:15,719
Speaker 1: of mind for him to be doing that at that

969
00:47:15,840 --> 00:47:18,080
Speaker 1: point in time. That's fair. That's a really good point,

970
00:47:18,280 --> 00:47:20,279
Speaker 1: so you know, but I agree it was not an

971
00:47:20,320 --> 00:47:23,600
Speaker 1: impressive interview, and just hopefully for his sake, the team

972
00:47:23,640 --> 00:47:25,680
Speaker 1: interviews go better than what do you did with the media.

973
00:47:25,840 --> 00:47:28,960
Speaker 1: I thought there were some really good interviews, particularly today.

974
00:47:29,080 --> 00:47:32,000
Speaker 1: I mean CJ. Henderson was awesome, Noah Igbinogamy, who we

975
00:47:32,080 --> 00:47:33,800
Speaker 1: heard a little bit of earlier, the same thing with

976
00:47:33,880 --> 00:47:37,160
Speaker 1: Antoine Winfield Junior and in Minnesota, he had an awesome

977
00:47:37,200 --> 00:47:42,240
Speaker 1: press conference. There weren't like a whole big ton of people. McKey.

978
00:47:42,360 --> 00:47:44,000
Speaker 1: At the same time, I saw your tweet that he

979
00:47:44,040 --> 00:47:46,319
Speaker 1: said he wants to return punts, and I was like, yeah,

980
00:47:46,719 --> 00:47:49,480
Speaker 1: let's get him. Get him here. He had a wonderful interview,

981
00:47:49,520 --> 00:47:51,239
Speaker 1: and it was because of the fact that he kind

982
00:47:51,280 --> 00:47:54,040
Speaker 1: of went into his dad and the way he looks

983
00:47:54,120 --> 00:47:55,880
Speaker 1: up to his father, who of course had a fourteen

984
00:47:56,000 --> 00:47:59,120
Speaker 1: year playing career in the NFL. So that was really intriguing.

985
00:47:59,320 --> 00:48:01,560
Speaker 1: One guy that I didn't necessarily like as much, and

986
00:48:01,640 --> 00:48:06,319
Speaker 1: this one might make some Jeff cavanall guys unhappy. Jeff

987
00:48:06,320 --> 00:48:08,920
Speaker 1: Gladney was kind of man man. He's kind of man

988
00:48:09,040 --> 00:48:10,839
Speaker 1: up on the podium to day, so that was kind

989
00:48:10,880 --> 00:48:14,320
Speaker 1: of one disappointing thing. Overall. I thought he was okay,

990
00:48:14,440 --> 00:48:16,360
Speaker 1: but just compared to some of the other guys. I mean,

991
00:48:16,440 --> 00:48:18,960
Speaker 1: Terrell Burgess out of Utah was great. Yeah, there are

992
00:48:18,960 --> 00:48:21,960
Speaker 1: a lot of really good podium guys over the course

993
00:48:22,000 --> 00:48:23,400
Speaker 1: of the week, but today I think might have been

994
00:48:23,440 --> 00:48:25,680
Speaker 1: the best day in terms of some of the more

995
00:48:25,800 --> 00:48:28,680
Speaker 1: likable guys. You gotta have swagger to play defensive back,

996
00:48:28,760 --> 00:48:31,640
Speaker 1: so it's not surprised that they would be good interviews.

997
00:48:31,760 --> 00:48:34,239
Speaker 1: And one guy who has plenty of swagger and is

998
00:48:34,480 --> 00:48:38,120
Speaker 1: a plenty of the center of conversation, Jeffrey Okuda. We

999
00:48:38,160 --> 00:48:41,960
Speaker 1: already just talked about him, the cornerback out of Ohio State.

1000
00:48:42,000 --> 00:48:44,560
Speaker 1: When we come back, we're gonna talk about Okuda, who

1001
00:48:44,640 --> 00:48:47,120
Speaker 1: apparently grew up a Cowboys fan. We'll talk about that,

1002
00:48:47,520 --> 00:48:50,040
Speaker 1: maybe what it'll take if the Cowboys want to try

1003
00:48:50,080 --> 00:48:53,040
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Speaker 1: dot Com Draft show, Dave Helmet, Dame Broukler, cow Yeoman's

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Speaker 1: with you. Coming back into the segment, Jeffrey Oku to

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Speaker 1: cornerback of Ohio State. We were just talking about him

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Speaker 1: a little bit. Said, grew up at cow Boys family.

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Speaker 1: He knows what it would mean to where the star

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Speaker 1: on the side of the helmet. So, guys, here's here's

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Speaker 1: the conversation. Got about twelve minutes. Here we're gonna get

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Speaker 1: deep into this. So I see you're you're grinning over there.

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Speaker 1: Jeff Okuda pretty much the I guess unanimous number one

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Speaker 1: corner in the entire draft. Agree, agree, yep? Okay, what

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Speaker 1: would it take for the Dallas Cowboys to go up

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Speaker 1: and get Jeff Okuda? And how we how we're going

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Speaker 1: to start this conversation. There's a lot at stake here

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Speaker 1: because there's multiple picks. You're most likely gonna have to

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Speaker 1: what go up to three for the purposes of this,

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Speaker 1: I mean between three and five? Okay, between three and five.

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Speaker 1: So three is where earliest because we're assuming Joe Burrow

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Speaker 1: would go one to Cincinnati, Chase Young would be taken

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Speaker 1: segment second by insert name here or to or somebody.

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Speaker 1: What would it take to get up the three from seventeen?

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Speaker 1: I think we have to say to A or Chase

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Speaker 1: Young two because if he doesn't go then yeah, then

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Speaker 1: you're talking about Yeah, that's a good point. Okay, so

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Speaker 1: let's try it. Let's try purposes here, trying to get

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Speaker 1: to three with the Detroit Lions, who just don't seem

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Speaker 1: to want to take anybody with that number three overall

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Speaker 1: point um an act of God that's what it would take.

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Speaker 1: I mean, wow, let's lay it out where it would

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Speaker 1: take seventeen. Obviously that's people it would it would take

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Speaker 1: pick seventeen. So we did do it. We did the

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Speaker 1: math on this when we decided we wanted to talk

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Speaker 1: about it, Yes, and bring out the chart. Trade charts

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Speaker 1: aren't universal, but the Cowboys pick is worth roughly nine

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Speaker 1: hundred and fifty points. Detroit's pick at number three is

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Speaker 1: worth roughly twenty two hundred. That's a that's a twelve

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Speaker 1: hundred and fifty point difference, just for reference, because there's

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Speaker 1: always somebody that's like, throw in your four or five

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Speaker 1: and six, and you'll get like, no, that that doesn't

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Speaker 1: that premium premium picks or what moved the needle on trades? Yes,

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Speaker 1: and so what we say, it's a twelve hundred and

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Speaker 1: fifty point difference. Yes, the Cowboys second round pick is

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Speaker 1: only worth three hundred ninety. Okay, their third round pick

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Speaker 1: is worth one hundred and eighty. So you're only halfway

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Speaker 1: there throwing in both of those two and three. Which

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Speaker 1: the point is you're not getting that done without giving

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Speaker 1: up next year's first round pick, just not doing it.

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Speaker 1: H And then you're probably throwing a sweetener in on

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Speaker 1: top of it. To Dane's point, you try to give

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Speaker 1: up next year's one and this year's three. Okay, realistic,

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Speaker 1: Like if it's me, I'm holding you up for your

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Speaker 1: number two as well. Okay, you're talking next year's one,

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Speaker 1: this year's one, and this year's two. Just for reference,

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Speaker 1: how how valuable is next year's one? Well on the

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Speaker 1: on the trade chart, Well that's it's next year's picks

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Speaker 1: are always worth a little bit less, right, Okay, So

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Speaker 1: it and and that's the thing is how it works

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Speaker 1: because it's it's a guess. Again, there's no there's no

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Speaker 1: way to assign a value to it because the Cowboys

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Speaker 1: could pick one or thirty two. There's no way to know.

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Speaker 1: So it's worth a little bit less. But you just

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Speaker 1: have to you're just throwing it in there. Okay, does it?

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Speaker 1: Does it have a value number though on it at all? Okay?

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Speaker 1: I mean they don't know. I didn't know if they

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Speaker 1: they had it. Kind of just throwing there as a

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Speaker 1: bart you're saying, wherever it is. And that's that's what

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Speaker 1: makes it so scary, is Yeah, it could be a

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Speaker 1: top five pick. It could be you know, you could

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Speaker 1: win the Super Bowl. Who the hell knows is what

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Speaker 1: makes the trick. And that's the thing is, yeah, exactly.

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Speaker 1: The Cowboys are in a position where if they made

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Speaker 1: the playoffs next year, would it surprise anybody? Really shouldn't.

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Speaker 1: I mean, they're a capable team. But if they were

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Speaker 1: picking eighth overall, would that necessarily be surprising either? I mean,

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Speaker 1: that's possible factor in injuries in everything else. Top ten

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Speaker 1: I think would surprise me? It would? It would that

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Speaker 1: gets hurt weak two. You know, like I'm just saying,

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Speaker 1: then we've got Anthony Gordon to back that. I'll stop

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Speaker 1: it in the game of football, right, you know, So

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Speaker 1: nothing should would surprise that. That goes into the thinking

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Speaker 1: because I'll tell you this, if if it happens like that,

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Speaker 1: the Cowboys will not be the only team making calls

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Speaker 1: to go up to number three. So that's but it's

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Speaker 1: more competition for the Cowboys. So that almost guarantees that

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Speaker 1: the one in three is probably not gonna be enough

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Speaker 1: one and to two. And hey, the Lions might not

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Speaker 1: even do that because they're looking at this draft saying

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Speaker 1: we want to come away with Okuda or Derek Brown

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Speaker 1: or Zaia Simmons, one of these dudes on defense. To

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Speaker 1: make us a better team, we go seventeen. That's just

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Speaker 1: not going to do it for us, even if we

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Speaker 1: are gaining a one in a two next year for

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Speaker 1: a team that might be in the playoffs, which so

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Speaker 1: you're talking about a pick in the twenties next year.

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Speaker 1: How appealing is that? So that's the thing too, is

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Speaker 1: the chart helps you get an idea, right, But it's

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Speaker 1: up to the team, it really is. The Lions could

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Speaker 1: say we want your entire draft and next year's one,

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Speaker 1: or we're not doing it, like they could ask for

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Speaker 1: whatever the hell they want. You're the one that wants

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Speaker 1: to pick. So I just don't think it's realistic. And

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Speaker 1: on top of that, I think the world of Jeff

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Speaker 1: Okuda it's not worth it at that position. Like, what's

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Speaker 1: the debate we're having right now about, you know, should

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Speaker 1: the Cowboys be as ready to move on from Byron

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Speaker 1: Jones as they are? Well, where'd they find him? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: pick pick twenty seven, Yeah and so and again, and

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Speaker 1: why are they so comfortable conceivably letting him go, which

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Speaker 1: it sounds like they will do because as good as

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Speaker 1: he is, their belief at least is that he does

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Speaker 1: not impact the game enough to be worth it. And

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Speaker 1: I tend to agree sticking with the at least compared

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Speaker 1: to the guys that they have to sign. And that's

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Speaker 1: also on that and that's that is the thing for

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Speaker 1: the Dallas Cowboys in the era that they are currently in.

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Speaker 1: They have so many good, expensive players that they are

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Speaker 1: that are taking up so much at the top of

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Speaker 1: their salary cap. The only way to offset it and

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Speaker 1: hope to be successful is to have draft picks and

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Speaker 1: hit on them and replenish the middle of your roster

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Speaker 1: with affordable talent. And you can't do that if you're

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Speaker 1: trading away picks to acquire one player. That's just my opinion. No,

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Speaker 1: I think as well said, and I think we also

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Speaker 1: have to factor in what is the gap how this

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Speaker 1: team views between Okuda and say, like a CJ. Henderson,

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Speaker 1: Sure you know a CJ. If you can get CJ. Henderson,

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Speaker 1: say at seventeen, is it really would you rather have

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Speaker 1: Jeff A Kuda or would you rather have CJ. Henderson?

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Speaker 1: Plus whoever you're taking the first round next year, who

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Speaker 1: have you taken a second round next year? I mean

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Speaker 1: it's a quantity quality debate. But I start to lean

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Speaker 1: more towards the three guys than I would just have one.

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Speaker 1: And like, like we said, it's just it's not against Okuda,

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Speaker 1: it's not against you know, we think he's an outstanding player.

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Speaker 1: But I don't know, I lean more towards Dave. It's

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Speaker 1: a very similar conversation than that kind of what we

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Speaker 1: had earlier in the week. Maybe not we had, but

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Speaker 1: what Cowboys Nation had whenever two. I was talking about

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Speaker 1: being a fan of the Cowboys. Oh what would it

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Speaker 1: take to go up and get a two attack about

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Speaker 1: a little out of Alabama. But at the same time,

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Speaker 1: this guy actually fills a position of need. So would

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Speaker 1: a one in three intrigue you? But I'm not gonna

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Speaker 1: I'm not just gonna say Jeffrey Akuta. Here we said,

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Speaker 1: let's get to three. Let's say Chase Young. Somehow it

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Speaker 1: gets to three. Would you do it for a Chase Young? Though?

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Speaker 1: That would be different because I'm a little I would

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Speaker 1: do more inclined. Inclined doing a heartbeat? Okay, he would

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Speaker 1: do it in a well, how are you giving up

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Speaker 1: in a heartbeat? Are you just saying name your price? Um? Well, no,

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Speaker 1: not name your price, but I mean I would give

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Speaker 1: a seventeen seventeen next year's one, and then I try

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Speaker 1: to give up next year's three or this year's three.

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Speaker 1: I try to get it done. They say, you're absolutely

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Speaker 1: off your rocker day. Yes, it wouldn't happen. We know

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Speaker 1: how good this guy. What about how about this year?

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Speaker 1: Next year's one and a two? Yeah, And I don't

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Speaker 1: even think that would get it done, because I think so.

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Speaker 1: I think the Lions would be crazy to not take

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Speaker 1: him at that pick. And the other thing, too, is

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Speaker 1: the competition. If Chase Young is still available at three,

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Speaker 1: there are gonna be some just crazy offers being thrown

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Speaker 1: because people have short memories in the NFL. They saw

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Speaker 1: what Nick Bosa did this past year for the forty

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Speaker 1: nine Ers as a rookie. And you know, obviously the

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Speaker 1: forty nine ers defensive line is stacked and that allowed

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Speaker 1: Bosa to have a lot of one on one opportunities

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Speaker 1: and all that. But Chase Young has the ability to

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Speaker 1: be better than Nick Bosa when we look back at

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Speaker 1: this draft. And so if you can add a talent

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Speaker 1: like that, you don't pass it by. You go and

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Speaker 1: be aggressive and go make it happen. I really think

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Speaker 1: I'm only down to do a deal like that for

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Speaker 1: a quarterback. I really am out of any position because

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Speaker 1: it's the only thing that gives you that much value

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Speaker 1: back because it's the most important position in the game.

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Speaker 1: He touches the ball every snap. And if I mean,

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Speaker 1: you know, we've seen it. You know Houston and Kansas

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Speaker 1: City went and got quarterbacks. The Rams and the Eagles

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Speaker 1: got golf and wins the same way. Knowing what we

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Speaker 1: know now about Nick Bosa. You wouldn't have done that

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Speaker 1: for Nick Bosa. I don't think so. See, I would

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Speaker 1: like you just you just contradicted yourself though, because the

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Speaker 1: Niners are reloaded, like and that's not a knock on Bosa, no,

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Speaker 1: but he's got so much. He's got Eric Armstead, he's

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Speaker 1: got DeForrest Buckner, he's got Richard Sherman and those guys

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Speaker 1: in the secondary helping him like he was the cherry

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Speaker 1: on top of what was already a pretty talented defense.

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Speaker 1: As he is not the foundational stone of that defense

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Speaker 1: and is just doing it. I think a better point is,

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Speaker 1: you know, Miles Garrett's been good, and he had a

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Speaker 1: good rookie season, but he wasn't Nick Bosa right off

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Speaker 1: the back because he didn't have the help right and well,

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Speaker 1: and that's part of it. Also part of it is

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Speaker 1: he just hasn't necessarily developed some of his go to moves,

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Speaker 1: and you know he needs to develop more. But he's

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Speaker 1: even he's impacting the quarterback. I understand your point completely

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Speaker 1: because you are you are right about in terms of

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Speaker 1: touching the football and impacting the game, and um, I

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Speaker 1: just I think we can and I'm I love draft picks,

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Speaker 1: but the chance to go get a difference maker like that,

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Speaker 1: I will say, if the Cowboys pick up a couple

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Speaker 1: of free age and defensive tackles and then do that

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Speaker 1: deal and you've got Chase Young and DeMarcus Lawrence on

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Speaker 1: the same line, you're gonna win a lot of football games, Yes,

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Speaker 1: you are. That that will impact out that secondary issue too.

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Speaker 1: You're also not going to have a lot of draft

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Speaker 1: picks to replenish the middle of your roster, which exactly,

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Speaker 1: I mean that's the other day. It's a risk. There's

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Speaker 1: no question this is a top heavy team. Yeah, just

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Speaker 1: it just is. To their top eight players are about

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Speaker 1: as good as anybody in the league could ask to

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Speaker 1: be and then their other forty five are you know,

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Speaker 1: they have their moments and they can be. You know

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Speaker 1: they they were, they looked really good the year before

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Speaker 1: in twenty nineteen. The middle of your roster didn't step up.

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Speaker 1: And that's a big part of the reason why they

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Speaker 1: were a five hundred team. So Akuda, no Chase Young,

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Speaker 1: it's a big fat maybe it's a it's a no

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Speaker 1: regardless for me. For me because I need the picks.

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Speaker 1: Joe Burrow falls to three, I can't sign Dak go.

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Speaker 1: I mean yes or no? If you get hit nuts, Dave,

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Speaker 1: what do you what do you want me to say

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Speaker 1: that I don't put Joe Burrow on the like and

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Speaker 1: that's Joe Burrow on this team would be great, but

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Speaker 1: at what cost? Yeah, and a cost. You're just gonna

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Speaker 1: let Dak Prescott walk away for nothing because like the

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Speaker 1: people who think you're trading and trade them for pick three,

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Speaker 1: Fortune favors the bold. I mean that's my line. I'm

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Speaker 1: actually the one that says that I'm trying to get picks. Guys.

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Speaker 1: All right, you know what, I'll take picks. I'll take

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Speaker 1: the LSU guy, I know you hate him, I'll take

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Speaker 1: them we'll do we'll do it. Let's let's sell the farm. Yes,

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Speaker 1: everybody all in for for Joe Burrow. I'm I'm sold.

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Speaker 1: I'm trading back. I'm trading back from seventeen. I can't

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Speaker 1: trade back from seventeen and still get Calevan Jason can.

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Speaker 1: I probably not. I'm not realistic. It's probably not happen.

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Speaker 1: I'm trading back from seventeen, getting a corners and picking

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Speaker 1: three or two, you know, two or three times on No,

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Speaker 1: three times on day three, day two, extra second. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's so fun. That's how you fix the roster. I'll

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Speaker 1: take Burrow. Yeah, okay, I'll take Burrow. Well, we started

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Speaker 1: the week year, so this second one. Don't do this

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Speaker 1: saying let's get nuts, let's get wild. Let's start looking

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Speaker 1: at how things could really shape out. At somebody who

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Speaker 1: loves at somebody who loves the draft. I would love

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Speaker 1: to see that happen. I mean, not somebody, I mean Burrow.

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Speaker 1: Burrow's not gonna fall to three, but I mean, but

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Speaker 1: you know, the thought, just as a thought exercise, like

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Speaker 1: to uh, how he would wind up on the Cowboys

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Speaker 1: and what it would look like. It's fast, nat yeah,

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Speaker 1: but so unrealistic. It's my job to work in reality.

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Speaker 1: Thank you. Yeah, and so I just I just don't

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Speaker 1: see it. That's how it goes. But it's okay. Well,

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Speaker 1: one thing that's unrealistic is how good Dane Brugler is

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Speaker 1: it as John, And thank you so much for joining.

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Speaker 1: Thank you guys for having me man. It really has

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Speaker 1: been a pleasure, and that is gonna do it here

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Speaker 1: from Indianapolis. Now. Our coverage is not done just yet.

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Speaker 1: We're still gonna be sticking around. Follow Dave Hellman at

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Speaker 1: Hellman DC on Twitter, Dane's at DP Brugler on Twitter

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Speaker 1: as well. I'm at Kyle underscore Yeomans and we will

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Speaker 1: still be around. We'll still be here in Indie. But

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Speaker 1: this is the final show here from Radio Row. So

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Speaker 1: for everybody involved in these broadcasts back at the studio

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Speaker 1: at the Star, for Alex and Aaron and Nick here

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Speaker 1: in Indianapolis, I'm Kyle saying so long until next week.

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Speaker 1: We'll see you next Thursday, out eleven. This has been

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