1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:04,680 Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is 2 00:00:04,760 --> 00:00:09,080 Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 3 00:00:09,200 --> 00:00:12,119 Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A 4 00:00:12,240 --> 00:00:24,960 Speaker 1: production of I Heart Radios How Stuff Works. Hello, Welcome 5 00:00:25,000 --> 00:00:27,440 Speaker 1: back to the show. My name is Matt. Noel is 6 00:00:27,520 --> 00:00:30,440 Speaker 1: not with us today they called me Ben. We are joined, 7 00:00:30,440 --> 00:00:33,800 Speaker 1: as always with our super producer Paul Mission Controlled Decade 8 00:00:33,840 --> 00:00:36,680 Speaker 1: and Spirit. Today we are joined with our returning super 9 00:00:36,720 --> 00:00:40,599 Speaker 1: producer Seth Johnson. So say hello to Seth. Let us 10 00:00:40,600 --> 00:00:44,720 Speaker 1: know if you think there is a particularly compelling moniker 11 00:00:45,040 --> 00:00:50,960 Speaker 1: or nickname or appellation for Seth. That's appellation A P 12 00:00:50,960 --> 00:00:54,200 Speaker 1: P E L L A T I O N, not 13 00:00:54,600 --> 00:00:57,959 Speaker 1: the Mountain Range. I think Seth, you just said your 14 00:00:58,000 --> 00:01:03,120 Speaker 1: favorite one was Seth Metal. In the meantime, you are you, 15 00:01:03,120 --> 00:01:06,440 Speaker 1: You are here, and that makes this stuff they don't 16 00:01:06,600 --> 00:01:10,839 Speaker 1: want you to know. Matt. I feel like it's been forever. Yeah, 17 00:01:11,000 --> 00:01:15,600 Speaker 1: You've You've been on an adventure. An adventures a way 18 00:01:15,640 --> 00:01:18,640 Speaker 1: to describe it. The last time I saw you, we 19 00:01:18,640 --> 00:01:23,080 Speaker 1: were in Los Angeles, that's correct. Yeah. Yeah, And by 20 00:01:23,120 --> 00:01:25,760 Speaker 1: the time this comes out, our episode with Mr Dan 21 00:01:25,800 --> 00:01:29,559 Speaker 1: Harmon will be out. But maybe that's something we should 22 00:01:29,560 --> 00:01:33,319 Speaker 1: discuss when all three of us are in the room. Sure. Yeah, 23 00:01:33,480 --> 00:01:39,319 Speaker 1: we took planes to our respective destinations, you and you 24 00:01:39,440 --> 00:01:43,120 Speaker 1: and NOL went to Atlanta, and I went to a 25 00:01:43,160 --> 00:01:46,280 Speaker 1: couple other places before coming back to Atlanta. And the 26 00:01:46,360 --> 00:01:49,240 Speaker 1: reality is that we are on the road and in 27 00:01:49,280 --> 00:01:52,720 Speaker 1: the air pretty often. And you know, many of our 28 00:01:52,800 --> 00:01:55,240 Speaker 1: fellow listeners tuning in today are part of the one 29 00:01:55,280 --> 00:02:00,080 Speaker 1: point seven million US residents on a plane, Like as 30 00:02:00,160 --> 00:02:02,400 Speaker 1: we speak, Yeah, there are a lot of us in 31 00:02:02,440 --> 00:02:04,960 Speaker 1: the air right now, flying these guys. Yeah, And let's 32 00:02:04,960 --> 00:02:09,720 Speaker 1: be honest. Planes are amazing, astonishing, even it's this incredible 33 00:02:09,720 --> 00:02:12,600 Speaker 1: thing that, for the majority of human civilization was a 34 00:02:12,639 --> 00:02:16,560 Speaker 1: wild fantasy, right, oh yeah. And and it's who is it? 35 00:02:16,680 --> 00:02:19,200 Speaker 1: I think it's Luis k who as a bit about 36 00:02:19,400 --> 00:02:23,320 Speaker 1: how amazing planes are. Maybe don't listen to it anymore. 37 00:02:23,360 --> 00:02:25,520 Speaker 1: I don't know where what the rules are, but you 38 00:02:25,560 --> 00:02:27,720 Speaker 1: can He's got a great bit on it. It exists. 39 00:02:28,360 --> 00:02:31,760 Speaker 1: But here's the thing. Sometimes traveling traveling by plane is 40 00:02:31,840 --> 00:02:35,000 Speaker 1: that amazing experience. But other times, I mean it's at 41 00:02:35,040 --> 00:02:38,240 Speaker 1: least a frustrating thing, or it can be. There are 42 00:02:38,240 --> 00:02:40,360 Speaker 1: a lot of pros and cons so if you are 43 00:02:40,360 --> 00:02:42,000 Speaker 1: going to get on a plane, you know for sure 44 00:02:42,040 --> 00:02:44,560 Speaker 1: you're gonna get to your destination a lot faster than 45 00:02:44,680 --> 00:02:48,160 Speaker 1: by any other means. Um. If it's across a large 46 00:02:48,160 --> 00:02:52,640 Speaker 1: body of water, then it's insanely faster than taking a boat. 47 00:02:52,919 --> 00:02:57,440 Speaker 1: If it's across land, it's significantly faster and taking a car. Um. 48 00:02:57,600 --> 00:03:00,240 Speaker 1: But that is, of course, if everything goes well. There 49 00:03:00,240 --> 00:03:03,919 Speaker 1: are some issues, Like we said, um, just getting through 50 00:03:03,919 --> 00:03:08,720 Speaker 1: security now at this point is a bother um. And 51 00:03:08,800 --> 00:03:11,640 Speaker 1: also you know, like we said, there are one point 52 00:03:11,639 --> 00:03:13,640 Speaker 1: seven million people who are going to be in the 53 00:03:13,680 --> 00:03:17,000 Speaker 1: air flying. They're also at airports hanging out, and it 54 00:03:17,000 --> 00:03:20,120 Speaker 1: gets really crowded. The planes themselves get really crowded. And 55 00:03:20,160 --> 00:03:22,680 Speaker 1: also you've got to deal with things like weather, because 56 00:03:23,360 --> 00:03:27,880 Speaker 1: let's face it, planes get delayed and sometimes even canceled 57 00:03:28,080 --> 00:03:33,720 Speaker 1: because of the way moisture acts in the air or 58 00:03:33,760 --> 00:03:39,040 Speaker 1: even lightning right as well, So we here and stuff 59 00:03:39,080 --> 00:03:40,920 Speaker 1: they don't want you to know, or no stranger to 60 00:03:40,960 --> 00:03:43,960 Speaker 1: being stuck in airports. Long time listeners will recall that 61 00:03:44,080 --> 00:03:49,200 Speaker 1: our our current record was somewhere around sixteen eighteen hours 62 00:03:49,240 --> 00:03:55,080 Speaker 1: in our own airport in Atlanta, Georgia. Let's also add 63 00:03:55,080 --> 00:03:58,680 Speaker 1: of course, the con that airplanes as they are designed 64 00:03:58,680 --> 00:04:02,320 Speaker 1: now are terrible for the environment. That's just true. It's 65 00:04:02,360 --> 00:04:06,680 Speaker 1: true that planes are often delayed, and while highly unlikely, 66 00:04:07,240 --> 00:04:11,680 Speaker 1: plane sometimes crash. Let's emphasize this. You are much safer 67 00:04:11,680 --> 00:04:14,080 Speaker 1: in an airplane than you will ever be in a car. 68 00:04:14,720 --> 00:04:18,279 Speaker 1: So anybody afraid of flying, just think about that while 69 00:04:18,279 --> 00:04:21,120 Speaker 1: you're driving on the interstate, unless you're just in a 70 00:04:21,200 --> 00:04:24,599 Speaker 1: car in well, yeah, I was gonna say in a garage, 71 00:04:24,680 --> 00:04:27,839 Speaker 1: but that can be unsafe too, right, if it's running 72 00:04:28,240 --> 00:04:32,120 Speaker 1: in the interstate. When you're driving, let's all be very 73 00:04:32,120 --> 00:04:35,360 Speaker 1: conscious of the fact that the only thing preventing other 74 00:04:35,440 --> 00:04:39,320 Speaker 1: people from careening into you is an honor system of 75 00:04:39,440 --> 00:04:43,159 Speaker 1: painted lines. In most cases, there's no physical barrier. A 76 00:04:43,200 --> 00:04:46,159 Speaker 1: plane is much safer, but a plane will still sometimes crash, 77 00:04:46,440 --> 00:04:49,400 Speaker 1: and every once in a while a plane will simply disappear. 78 00:04:49,800 --> 00:04:52,279 Speaker 1: In today's episode, we're exploring one of the most recent, 79 00:04:52,440 --> 00:04:57,560 Speaker 1: most famous examples of disappearing aircraft. Here's today's question, what 80 00:04:57,839 --> 00:05:02,880 Speaker 1: happened to Malaysia Airlines fly three seventy? Here are the facts. Okay, 81 00:05:02,920 --> 00:05:04,800 Speaker 1: so there are a lot of numbers in here that 82 00:05:04,800 --> 00:05:06,480 Speaker 1: we're gonna be going over. Some of them are much 83 00:05:06,520 --> 00:05:08,880 Speaker 1: more important than others. We'll kind of let you know 84 00:05:08,920 --> 00:05:12,880 Speaker 1: as we're going. So the flight in question, Malaysia Airlines 85 00:05:12,880 --> 00:05:16,679 Speaker 1: flight three seventy, was the plane at least a Bowing 86 00:05:16,839 --> 00:05:19,960 Speaker 1: seven seven seven now is a specific kind of seven 87 00:05:20,040 --> 00:05:24,159 Speaker 1: seven seven. It was a two h six e er. Now, 88 00:05:24,200 --> 00:05:27,080 Speaker 1: this just means that it was an extended range of versions, 89 00:05:27,120 --> 00:05:30,480 Speaker 1: so we can travel further than the regular Bowing seven 90 00:05:30,560 --> 00:05:34,800 Speaker 1: seven seven. Now, this particular model of UH seven seven 91 00:05:34,880 --> 00:05:38,520 Speaker 1: seven has been in the air have been flying commercially since. 92 00:05:40,200 --> 00:05:43,440 Speaker 1: And this model is it's huge. Its length is over 93 00:05:43,480 --> 00:05:47,680 Speaker 1: two hundred feet, and it's designed to accommodate upwards of 94 00:05:47,800 --> 00:05:51,200 Speaker 1: two hundred and sixty passengers, so two sixty plus. It 95 00:05:51,240 --> 00:05:55,880 Speaker 1: can be basically changed slightly how the how the seat 96 00:05:55,920 --> 00:05:58,760 Speaker 1: structure is to accommodate more people. Yeah, here's a little 97 00:05:58,800 --> 00:06:02,359 Speaker 1: conspiracy that will just we'll just add in add in 98 00:06:02,839 --> 00:06:06,760 Speaker 1: for free here on our free show and will confirm 99 00:06:06,800 --> 00:06:12,400 Speaker 1: this conspiracy to airline leg room is getting smaller with 100 00:06:12,560 --> 00:06:17,400 Speaker 1: each successive iteration because they can put more people on 101 00:06:17,400 --> 00:06:21,960 Speaker 1: the plane. Uh, and then there's still sell more tickets 102 00:06:22,000 --> 00:06:24,120 Speaker 1: than there are seats in the plane. There's a there's 103 00:06:24,160 --> 00:06:28,600 Speaker 1: a dark science to it. This particular plane in question, 104 00:06:28,839 --> 00:06:32,400 Speaker 1: the one that the Bowing seven seven seven to H 105 00:06:32,480 --> 00:06:36,359 Speaker 1: six e R that was flying on flight three seventy. 106 00:06:36,600 --> 00:06:39,560 Speaker 1: It had the serial number TO eight four two Z ROW. 107 00:06:39,600 --> 00:06:42,560 Speaker 1: It had the registration number nine M DASH m r O. 108 00:06:43,120 --> 00:06:46,400 Speaker 1: It was the four hundred and fourth Bowing seven seventy 109 00:06:46,480 --> 00:06:51,200 Speaker 1: seven produced. It was first flown on May two thousand two, 110 00:06:51,720 --> 00:06:55,480 Speaker 1: and then after that it was delivered to Malaysia Airlines 111 00:06:55,640 --> 00:06:58,960 Speaker 1: on May thirty one, two thousand two. And you know, 112 00:06:59,240 --> 00:07:02,000 Speaker 1: like we were talking out with the confirmed conspiracy to 113 00:07:02,120 --> 00:07:04,919 Speaker 1: rob you of leg room, this plane was configured to 114 00:07:04,960 --> 00:07:10,200 Speaker 1: fit two hundred and eighty two passengers. Yeah, so luckily 115 00:07:10,480 --> 00:07:12,600 Speaker 1: for the people who are stuck in those middle rows, 116 00:07:12,960 --> 00:07:16,200 Speaker 1: the plane was impacked to the gills. Right, yeah, Well, 117 00:07:16,240 --> 00:07:18,440 Speaker 1: let's go ahead and talk about that, just so most 118 00:07:18,480 --> 00:07:22,000 Speaker 1: people understand in the if you're thinking about maybe a 119 00:07:22,040 --> 00:07:23,920 Speaker 1: plane that you've been on before, if you have flown 120 00:07:23,960 --> 00:07:27,560 Speaker 1: in a plane Malaysia, this one, Malaysia Airlines Flight three 121 00:07:27,600 --> 00:07:31,880 Speaker 1: seventy had three seats in the center aisle. Then it 122 00:07:32,000 --> 00:07:34,440 Speaker 1: had two seats, you know, row a row of two 123 00:07:34,440 --> 00:07:36,000 Speaker 1: seats on the left and a row of two seats 124 00:07:36,000 --> 00:07:38,440 Speaker 1: on the right. If you were sitting economy, it was 125 00:07:39,200 --> 00:07:41,800 Speaker 1: much more spread out and sparse if you're sitting first 126 00:07:41,800 --> 00:07:45,080 Speaker 1: class or a business class. And during this flight there 127 00:07:45,080 --> 00:07:47,720 Speaker 1: were twelve crew members. There were two hundred and twenty 128 00:07:47,760 --> 00:07:51,040 Speaker 1: seven passengers. A hundred and fifty three of those passengers 129 00:07:51,040 --> 00:07:54,800 Speaker 1: were Chinese nationals, the majority thirty eight passengers were Malaysian, 130 00:07:55,160 --> 00:07:58,160 Speaker 1: and the rest were from a combination a mixtape of 131 00:07:58,240 --> 00:08:01,760 Speaker 1: twelve different countries. You will read different estimates of the 132 00:08:01,800 --> 00:08:05,160 Speaker 1: total number of people aboard, but more on that later. 133 00:08:05,800 --> 00:08:10,400 Speaker 1: The plane itself had had no major incidents in the past, 134 00:08:10,720 --> 00:08:14,320 Speaker 1: and routine maintenance inspections had been carried out, the most 135 00:08:14,360 --> 00:08:18,760 Speaker 1: recent one on February two thousand fourteen. They found no 136 00:08:18,920 --> 00:08:21,760 Speaker 1: significant issues, you know what I mean. So it's pretty good. 137 00:08:21,800 --> 00:08:26,080 Speaker 1: Twelve years of service almost with no major incidents. I 138 00:08:26,080 --> 00:08:27,920 Speaker 1: would take those odds if I was going to get 139 00:08:27,960 --> 00:08:30,320 Speaker 1: on that plane or be the captain of that plane. 140 00:08:30,560 --> 00:08:33,480 Speaker 1: So let's get to the day. Um On March eight, 141 00:08:35,200 --> 00:08:38,640 Speaker 1: so it departed from Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia, and it was 142 00:08:38,679 --> 00:08:42,560 Speaker 1: headed to Beijing, China. So and oh, so it's really 143 00:08:42,600 --> 00:08:44,400 Speaker 1: important to note here this is a red eye flight. 144 00:08:44,679 --> 00:08:47,920 Speaker 1: This was one of those early early morning you're gonna 145 00:08:47,920 --> 00:08:50,600 Speaker 1: fly basically through the night and probably sleep on the 146 00:08:50,600 --> 00:08:53,720 Speaker 1: plane if you're a passenger. The wheels were up at 147 00:08:53,760 --> 00:08:57,120 Speaker 1: twelve thirty five am the local time. And it should 148 00:08:57,120 --> 00:09:00,160 Speaker 1: also be noted that this is the same there. They're 149 00:09:00,200 --> 00:09:04,559 Speaker 1: essentially flying north east a little bit to Beijing from 150 00:09:04,640 --> 00:09:07,320 Speaker 1: Kuala Lumpur, so they're in the same time zone. So 151 00:09:07,360 --> 00:09:10,640 Speaker 1: when we were talking about times here, um, it's it's 152 00:09:10,640 --> 00:09:13,200 Speaker 1: going to be the same thing. So uh leaves at 153 00:09:13,200 --> 00:09:16,319 Speaker 1: twelve thirty five am. It's scheduled to arrive in Beijing 154 00:09:16,440 --> 00:09:20,319 Speaker 1: at six thirty five am. And this was a routine trip. 155 00:09:20,559 --> 00:09:23,800 Speaker 1: It's one of two daily flights the airline conducts along 156 00:09:23,840 --> 00:09:26,720 Speaker 1: this route. That's pretty common with a lot of airline 157 00:09:26,760 --> 00:09:31,240 Speaker 1: destinations because you can fly the plane from point A 158 00:09:31,320 --> 00:09:33,439 Speaker 1: to point B and then fly it from point B 159 00:09:33,520 --> 00:09:35,520 Speaker 1: to point A, so it ends up where it left 160 00:09:35,679 --> 00:09:38,800 Speaker 1: and has it still has its home. It's HQ, but 161 00:09:38,880 --> 00:09:42,400 Speaker 1: now you have two flights instead of one. This flight 162 00:09:42,559 --> 00:09:46,199 Speaker 1: takes about five hours and thirty four minutes. This consumes 163 00:09:47,679 --> 00:09:52,000 Speaker 1: ballpark of eighty two thousand pounds of jet fuel. Which 164 00:09:52,040 --> 00:09:57,280 Speaker 1: is normal and in another routine practice, the aircraft carries 165 00:09:57,360 --> 00:10:02,000 Speaker 1: one hundred and eight thousand, two hundred pounds of fuel, 166 00:10:02,480 --> 00:10:07,760 Speaker 1: including its reserves. This gives it an overall flight time endurance. 167 00:10:07,840 --> 00:10:10,480 Speaker 1: It can be in the air for seven hours and 168 00:10:10,600 --> 00:10:15,120 Speaker 1: thirty one minutes. This ensures that pilots can keep the 169 00:10:15,200 --> 00:10:19,160 Speaker 1: craft aloft in case they need to divert to another airport. 170 00:10:19,200 --> 00:10:22,160 Speaker 1: Think of it like a form of insurance, a margin 171 00:10:22,240 --> 00:10:27,320 Speaker 1: of error. Again, this is a pretty common thing. This 172 00:10:27,440 --> 00:10:30,160 Speaker 1: is not in any way unusual. We have to set 173 00:10:30,200 --> 00:10:34,120 Speaker 1: the facts out there. So we've established the following things 174 00:10:34,200 --> 00:10:37,839 Speaker 1: as being normal and routine, right, the routes, the passengers, 175 00:10:37,880 --> 00:10:40,160 Speaker 1: the amount of fuel they had, and so on. But 176 00:10:40,200 --> 00:10:43,720 Speaker 1: there was a very abnormal and tragic thing that happened 177 00:10:43,720 --> 00:10:47,080 Speaker 1: that made flight three seventy different from all the other 178 00:10:47,280 --> 00:10:51,120 Speaker 1: routine trips back and forth from Beijing and Malaysia, and 179 00:10:51,160 --> 00:10:56,840 Speaker 1: that was that this plane disappeared. What exactly happened. We'll 180 00:10:56,880 --> 00:11:05,480 Speaker 1: answer the question after a word from our sponsor. We're 181 00:11:05,520 --> 00:11:08,360 Speaker 1: back a little bit of a fake out mat unfortunately. 182 00:11:08,400 --> 00:11:12,960 Speaker 1: We will answer what we know about this question. Yes, 183 00:11:13,160 --> 00:11:18,320 Speaker 1: the the official numbers and such times, and what occurred 184 00:11:18,600 --> 00:11:22,200 Speaker 1: and again, it's it may be a little bit confusing 185 00:11:22,240 --> 00:11:23,520 Speaker 1: as we're going through this because there are a lot 186 00:11:23,520 --> 00:11:26,600 Speaker 1: of times and kind of numbers that are occurring here. 187 00:11:26,920 --> 00:11:29,360 Speaker 1: Just um, we'll try and keep you as focused as 188 00:11:29,360 --> 00:11:32,520 Speaker 1: possible as we're getting through this. But this stuff is important. 189 00:11:32,840 --> 00:11:36,480 Speaker 1: So you've probably been on a plane before, and you've 190 00:11:36,520 --> 00:11:39,800 Speaker 1: watched movies hopefully maybe okay, So if you've ever seen 191 00:11:39,960 --> 00:11:43,520 Speaker 1: a movie before where a pilot is involved, or you 192 00:11:43,520 --> 00:11:45,800 Speaker 1: get to spend time in a cockpit of a pilot, 193 00:11:45,920 --> 00:11:48,560 Speaker 1: or maybe you've ever flown a plane, or you have 194 00:11:48,640 --> 00:11:51,120 Speaker 1: any working knowledge of this, maybe you've just used Microsoft 195 00:11:51,240 --> 00:11:54,240 Speaker 1: Flight Simulator like like I have, so you know that 196 00:11:54,280 --> 00:11:58,960 Speaker 1: there's there are important transmissions that occur between air traffic 197 00:11:59,000 --> 00:12:02,600 Speaker 1: control and the person who is in control of a 198 00:12:02,679 --> 00:12:07,200 Speaker 1: flight and an aircraft flying vehicle in the sky. And uh, 199 00:12:07,320 --> 00:12:11,320 Speaker 1: A lot of this is actually transmissions that are done 200 00:12:11,320 --> 00:12:14,640 Speaker 1: by voice where to human beings are talking to each other. 201 00:12:14,920 --> 00:12:17,800 Speaker 1: But a lot of other really important stuff occurs just 202 00:12:18,000 --> 00:12:22,280 Speaker 1: through the systems within the airplane itself and the radar 203 00:12:22,640 --> 00:12:25,880 Speaker 1: that you know exists at air traffic control um at 204 00:12:25,960 --> 00:12:29,600 Speaker 1: varying places throughout the world. As a plane is flying 205 00:12:29,760 --> 00:12:33,560 Speaker 1: over certain areas, and there are these handoffs that occur 206 00:12:33,760 --> 00:12:38,320 Speaker 1: between the varying air traffic control systems. So let's say 207 00:12:38,520 --> 00:12:42,760 Speaker 1: in this case they're flying from Kuala Lumpour up to Beijing. 208 00:12:43,160 --> 00:12:46,240 Speaker 1: There are several places they're going to go over Vietnam, right, 209 00:12:46,559 --> 00:12:49,640 Speaker 1: so as they're going into Vietnam, they have to then 210 00:12:49,679 --> 00:12:53,559 Speaker 1: begin communicating rather than the Kuala Lumpoor Air Traffic Control 211 00:12:53,600 --> 00:12:57,120 Speaker 1: to then begin communicating with the Vietnam Air Traffic Control 212 00:12:57,240 --> 00:13:02,040 Speaker 1: or whichever local air traffic controllers are there. So just 213 00:13:02,160 --> 00:13:05,959 Speaker 1: keep that in mind as we're going through here. Communications 214 00:13:06,040 --> 00:13:09,839 Speaker 1: are key. So the last automated transmission that came from 215 00:13:09,920 --> 00:13:12,880 Speaker 1: the plane that was sent out to air traffic controllers 216 00:13:13,360 --> 00:13:17,960 Speaker 1: UM was this automated position report and it's something that 217 00:13:18,120 --> 00:13:20,760 Speaker 1: was sent through a CARS a C a r S, 218 00:13:20,800 --> 00:13:24,679 Speaker 1: the Aircraft Communications Addressing and Reporting system, And this occurred 219 00:13:24,760 --> 00:13:28,760 Speaker 1: at one oh six Malaysian time, So that came that's 220 00:13:28,800 --> 00:13:32,400 Speaker 1: what thirty thirty five wheels up to one oh six. 221 00:13:32,920 --> 00:13:37,280 Speaker 1: That's where that signal went out. And this signal, this message, 222 00:13:37,320 --> 00:13:41,440 Speaker 1: this transmission does not contain multiple plot twist or anything. 223 00:13:41,440 --> 00:13:44,720 Speaker 1: It's sort of the meta data of the flight. How 224 00:13:45,280 --> 00:13:48,280 Speaker 1: much gas do we have left, Where are we? Is 225 00:13:48,320 --> 00:13:50,800 Speaker 1: it where we're supposed to be. And the answers to 226 00:13:50,840 --> 00:13:53,679 Speaker 1: all these questions at the time where yes, we have 227 00:13:54,640 --> 00:13:58,040 Speaker 1: UH nineties six thousand, six hundred pounds of gas, We're 228 00:13:58,200 --> 00:14:00,600 Speaker 1: we're ready to go. We're doing in the right thing. 229 00:14:01,320 --> 00:14:05,000 Speaker 1: The final verbal signal to air traffic control occurs just 230 00:14:05,320 --> 00:14:09,080 Speaker 1: a bit after it's a one nineteen in the morning. 231 00:14:09,559 --> 00:14:14,200 Speaker 1: Captain Zahari Ahmed Shah acknowledges the transition from the Kuala 232 00:14:14,280 --> 00:14:18,760 Speaker 1: Lumpur radar to the ho Cheatment Area Controls Center. And 233 00:14:18,840 --> 00:14:22,240 Speaker 1: that's just as you said earlier, Matt. Let's think of 234 00:14:22,280 --> 00:14:25,800 Speaker 1: it kind of like in an audio radar version of 235 00:14:25,840 --> 00:14:30,360 Speaker 1: a handshake or a pass off, so that despite no 236 00:14:30,440 --> 00:14:35,280 Speaker 1: longer being in Malaysia's airspace, the plane is still under 237 00:14:35,320 --> 00:14:38,760 Speaker 1: the watchful eye of some sort of authority. Yeah, and 238 00:14:38,840 --> 00:14:41,600 Speaker 1: that's gonna come. It's going to be important later on 239 00:14:41,680 --> 00:14:44,600 Speaker 1: in the story because there's a very specific thing you 240 00:14:44,640 --> 00:14:49,360 Speaker 1: have to do within the airplane to change your transponder too. 241 00:14:49,360 --> 00:14:52,760 Speaker 1: Then it's called squawk to UH to then change that 242 00:14:53,000 --> 00:14:57,720 Speaker 1: to send out to the new air traffic controllers. Just 243 00:14:57,880 --> 00:15:01,000 Speaker 1: so the crew was expected to signal a traffic control 244 00:15:01,160 --> 00:15:04,280 Speaker 1: in Ho Chi Minh City as the aircraft passed into 245 00:15:04,480 --> 00:15:08,680 Speaker 1: Vietnamese airspace, and that was Vietnamese airspace was just north 246 00:15:08,720 --> 00:15:14,480 Speaker 1: of the point where contact was lost. Interesting part about 247 00:15:14,520 --> 00:15:18,840 Speaker 1: that last verbal signal, we have the We have the 248 00:15:18,960 --> 00:15:24,400 Speaker 1: quote of what they said. The controller Kuala Lumpur Center 249 00:15:24,680 --> 00:15:28,360 Speaker 1: Radio Malaysian three seven zero contact Ho Chi Minh one 250 00:15:28,440 --> 00:15:32,720 Speaker 1: to zero decimal nine. Goodnight. The captain Zahari answers goodnight 251 00:15:33,080 --> 00:15:36,640 Speaker 1: Malaysia three seven zero. But he doesn't read back the 252 00:15:36,680 --> 00:15:40,200 Speaker 1: frequency the way he should have according to protocol. Otherwise 253 00:15:40,360 --> 00:15:43,520 Speaker 1: that transmission is normal. He didn't say anything, you know, 254 00:15:43,600 --> 00:15:46,840 Speaker 1: like the elder gods rise, the stars arrived, the rivers 255 00:15:46,920 --> 00:15:49,320 Speaker 1: run red with blood. He just said what he was 256 00:15:49,360 --> 00:15:53,680 Speaker 1: supposed to say. And when we get into the pinging 257 00:15:53,760 --> 00:15:56,960 Speaker 1: the science of the radar here, we just have to 258 00:15:57,040 --> 00:16:01,120 Speaker 1: understand a few basic things. Radar rely on just simple 259 00:16:01,440 --> 00:16:07,040 Speaker 1: raw pains thing thing thing off different objects in the sky, 260 00:16:07,120 --> 00:16:11,720 Speaker 1: but air traffic control systems use what's known as secondary radar. 261 00:16:11,800 --> 00:16:16,400 Speaker 1: Secondary radar needs a transponder signal that is transmitted by 262 00:16:16,480 --> 00:16:21,560 Speaker 1: each airplane and contains more information than the primary radar does. 263 00:16:21,880 --> 00:16:25,479 Speaker 1: Secondary radar comes from the plane has the airplane's identity 264 00:16:25,800 --> 00:16:30,600 Speaker 1: and altitude. A few seconds after MH three seventy crosses 265 00:16:30,640 --> 00:16:36,360 Speaker 1: into Vietnamese airspace, the symbol showing its transponder at secondary 266 00:16:36,440 --> 00:16:41,520 Speaker 1: radar stuff drops from the screens. It disappears at least 267 00:16:41,560 --> 00:16:44,720 Speaker 1: as far as Malaysian Air Traffic Control can see, and 268 00:16:44,760 --> 00:16:49,760 Speaker 1: then in their sorry in their primary radar disappears from 269 00:16:49,840 --> 00:16:53,320 Speaker 1: Lasian air Traffic Control. Thirty seven seconds later, the whole 270 00:16:53,320 --> 00:16:57,720 Speaker 1: thing disappears from secondary radar, and that's that time occurs 271 00:16:58,040 --> 00:17:02,880 Speaker 1: sets around thirty nine minutes after takeoff. And that's really 272 00:17:02,960 --> 00:17:07,600 Speaker 1: weird because that would possibly signal that someone within the 273 00:17:07,640 --> 00:17:12,520 Speaker 1: aircraft in the cockpit turned their transponder to stand by, 274 00:17:13,000 --> 00:17:15,960 Speaker 1: which is like, I'm trying to imagine what an equivalent 275 00:17:16,040 --> 00:17:19,040 Speaker 1: of that would be. It's like a Bluetooth. Imagine a 276 00:17:19,040 --> 00:17:22,920 Speaker 1: Bluetooth um machine that you've got somewhere in your house 277 00:17:23,359 --> 00:17:26,160 Speaker 1: and it's connected up let's say to your phone, right, 278 00:17:26,520 --> 00:17:29,040 Speaker 1: You've got Let's say it's a Google Home speaker in 279 00:17:29,080 --> 00:17:32,399 Speaker 1: your phone. The phone is the airplane and the Google 280 00:17:32,400 --> 00:17:35,520 Speaker 1: Home is the air traffic controller, and they're connected via 281 00:17:35,600 --> 00:17:38,920 Speaker 1: this Bluetooth signal because both are sending out signals, right, 282 00:17:39,440 --> 00:17:42,600 Speaker 1: and they're talking to each other. Um. In this scenario, 283 00:17:43,040 --> 00:17:47,040 Speaker 1: it appears that somebody just turned the bluetooth off on 284 00:17:47,160 --> 00:17:50,639 Speaker 1: that phone or the airplane to where Now that Google 285 00:17:50,680 --> 00:17:53,520 Speaker 1: Home is still searching for that thing, but it can't 286 00:17:53,520 --> 00:17:58,359 Speaker 1: find it because it's the phone is no longer transmitting. Yeah, exactly. 287 00:17:58,760 --> 00:18:03,600 Speaker 1: The people in the Vietnamese control center, they know that 288 00:18:04,280 --> 00:18:07,920 Speaker 1: MH three seventies crossed in the airspace. They've seen it disappear, 289 00:18:08,480 --> 00:18:12,520 Speaker 1: and they tried to contact the aircraft various means to 290 00:18:12,600 --> 00:18:16,520 Speaker 1: no avail. The captain of another aircraft attempted to contact 291 00:18:16,520 --> 00:18:20,359 Speaker 1: the crew a little bit after one thirty using the 292 00:18:20,440 --> 00:18:25,200 Speaker 1: International Air Distress or i a D frequency, and he 293 00:18:25,359 --> 00:18:29,160 Speaker 1: was trying to reach them to relay what air traffic 294 00:18:29,160 --> 00:18:33,200 Speaker 1: control in Vietnam was saying, which was basically, what happened 295 00:18:33,200 --> 00:18:37,600 Speaker 1: to you? Call us check in. And the captain of 296 00:18:37,680 --> 00:18:41,680 Speaker 1: this other aircraft says that he was able to establish communication, 297 00:18:42,000 --> 00:18:46,520 Speaker 1: but he only heard mumbling and static, which would make 298 00:18:46,560 --> 00:18:58,840 Speaker 1: for a very creepy sound cue and that right there 299 00:18:58,960 --> 00:19:02,720 Speaker 1: could get into you something that may have occurred on 300 00:19:02,800 --> 00:19:05,600 Speaker 1: that plane. Just the just keep that in your mind, 301 00:19:05,960 --> 00:19:10,040 Speaker 1: mumbling and static and calls me to Flight three seventies 302 00:19:10,040 --> 00:19:14,240 Speaker 1: cockpit at two thirty nine AM and seven thirteen AM 303 00:19:14,320 --> 00:19:18,760 Speaker 1: as this search is continuing and reaching fever pitch. They 304 00:19:18,800 --> 00:19:22,760 Speaker 1: went unanswered, but they were acknowledged by the aircraft's on 305 00:19:22,800 --> 00:19:27,800 Speaker 1: board satellite data unit. So something acknowledged that received it. 306 00:19:27,840 --> 00:19:30,760 Speaker 1: But it was an automated acknowledgement. It was a machine. 307 00:19:30,960 --> 00:19:33,159 Speaker 1: But it is at least good to know because again, 308 00:19:33,640 --> 00:19:36,080 Speaker 1: if we're we're following our timeline here, we're still around 309 00:19:36,119 --> 00:19:39,760 Speaker 1: one thirty right when we're talking about this other airplane 310 00:19:39,800 --> 00:19:42,600 Speaker 1: that was attempting to contact. But if we're jumping to 311 00:19:43,080 --> 00:19:46,400 Speaker 1: you know, the plane was supposed to be in Beijing 312 00:19:46,480 --> 00:19:49,840 Speaker 1: at six thirty am, right, and it's the same it's 313 00:19:49,880 --> 00:19:53,720 Speaker 1: the same time zone. So if they're pining at seven thirteen, 314 00:19:54,000 --> 00:19:57,600 Speaker 1: they're attempting to establish communication again and something on that 315 00:19:57,640 --> 00:20:02,280 Speaker 1: plane is still responding, that means it's it's functioning somewhere. Yes. 316 00:20:02,400 --> 00:20:07,280 Speaker 1: Exactly around the time that Flight three seventy disappears from 317 00:20:07,359 --> 00:20:13,720 Speaker 1: radar and its transponders stops pinging, military radar shows Flight 318 00:20:13,800 --> 00:20:18,879 Speaker 1: three seventy turning right, but then beginning a left turn 319 00:20:19,359 --> 00:20:23,879 Speaker 1: to some southwesterly direction. From one thirty in the morning 320 00:20:24,080 --> 00:20:27,800 Speaker 1: until one thirty five in the morning. Military radars shows 321 00:20:27,840 --> 00:20:31,679 Speaker 1: flight three seventy at thirty five thousand, seven hundred feet, so, 322 00:20:31,760 --> 00:20:35,640 Speaker 1: despite becoming unresponsive, the bird is still in the air. 323 00:20:36,119 --> 00:20:39,800 Speaker 1: The last satellite contact with the plane occurs much later 324 00:20:40,119 --> 00:20:43,040 Speaker 1: at eight nineteen am, which is believed to be the 325 00:20:43,200 --> 00:20:46,000 Speaker 1: time around the time when the plane ran out of 326 00:20:46,040 --> 00:20:51,159 Speaker 1: fuel somewhere over the Southern Indian Ocean, and from that 327 00:20:51,200 --> 00:20:57,240 Speaker 1: point on, as far as we know, the plane largely disappeared. 328 00:20:57,840 --> 00:21:01,680 Speaker 1: So what happened we'll tell you after a word from 329 00:21:01,680 --> 00:21:11,960 Speaker 1: our sponsors. Here's where it gets crazy. In the days, weeks, months, 330 00:21:12,240 --> 00:21:15,800 Speaker 1: years following the disappearance of the flight, numerous theories have 331 00:21:15,880 --> 00:21:18,719 Speaker 1: cropped up. There are a ton of them out there, folks, 332 00:21:18,720 --> 00:21:21,639 Speaker 1: and they range from the fanciful to what I have 333 00:21:21,800 --> 00:21:26,040 Speaker 1: to admit is the disturbingly plausible. Uh Matt, Which which 334 00:21:26,040 --> 00:21:28,000 Speaker 1: way do you want to go with this? Let's start 335 00:21:28,040 --> 00:21:30,480 Speaker 1: with some of the most plausible stuff that's out there, 336 00:21:30,800 --> 00:21:34,400 Speaker 1: because there there have been some some I think well 337 00:21:34,480 --> 00:21:40,120 Speaker 1: reasoned arguments as to what have possibly occurred. However, now 338 00:21:40,160 --> 00:21:42,679 Speaker 1: that we know a little more information, specifically what we 339 00:21:42,720 --> 00:21:46,639 Speaker 1: mentioned right before, the break the military radar info that 340 00:21:46,840 --> 00:21:49,520 Speaker 1: was held back for quite a time there by the 341 00:21:49,560 --> 00:21:53,600 Speaker 1: Malaysian authorities. We we do know that that weird left 342 00:21:53,640 --> 00:21:57,520 Speaker 1: hand turn occurred, or at least that they went off course. 343 00:21:57,880 --> 00:22:01,760 Speaker 1: Right we talked about that northeast direction heading up to 344 00:22:01,800 --> 00:22:05,199 Speaker 1: Beijing where it should have been, and it didn't do that. 345 00:22:05,320 --> 00:22:08,360 Speaker 1: It turned around, went back over Malaysia and then over 346 00:22:08,400 --> 00:22:11,879 Speaker 1: the tip of Indonesia there and then took a left turn. Somehow, 347 00:22:12,320 --> 00:22:17,120 Speaker 1: that's what we know. So taking all that into account, 348 00:22:17,160 --> 00:22:19,560 Speaker 1: it changes things, and it makes some of these most 349 00:22:19,680 --> 00:22:24,080 Speaker 1: plausible explanations a little different. So let's let's get into 350 00:22:24,080 --> 00:22:27,240 Speaker 1: the one of the most plausible, the idea that somehow 351 00:22:27,680 --> 00:22:32,480 Speaker 1: the people responsible for flying this plane either lost consciousness 352 00:22:32,760 --> 00:22:36,879 Speaker 1: or we're experiencing something called hypoxia. And hypoxia is just 353 00:22:36,920 --> 00:22:40,160 Speaker 1: a fancy way of saying a lack of oxygen specifically 354 00:22:40,200 --> 00:22:43,280 Speaker 1: to the brain, and then what happens. It describes what 355 00:22:43,359 --> 00:22:47,040 Speaker 1: happens in the brain um because of that lack of oxygen, 356 00:22:47,440 --> 00:22:52,160 Speaker 1: and this generally occurs on aircraft when there's a decompression 357 00:22:52,200 --> 00:22:55,080 Speaker 1: of the cabin right. Um, just quickly to go over 358 00:22:55,119 --> 00:22:56,919 Speaker 1: this bend, maybe you could probably you could probably explain 359 00:22:56,920 --> 00:23:00,080 Speaker 1: this a little better than I. But the thinning of 360 00:23:00,119 --> 00:23:03,480 Speaker 1: air as you go higher and higher in altitude is 361 00:23:03,520 --> 00:23:07,639 Speaker 1: a real issue because humans, human bodies need a certain 362 00:23:07,640 --> 00:23:11,920 Speaker 1: density of oxygen in air to be able to breathe correctly. 363 00:23:12,480 --> 00:23:15,399 Speaker 1: And when you're flying in a plane, UH, if you 364 00:23:15,440 --> 00:23:19,240 Speaker 1: were just at that altitude, like thirty five thousand feet 365 00:23:19,280 --> 00:23:24,080 Speaker 1: in the air without um a pressurized cabin, you wouldn't 366 00:23:24,080 --> 00:23:26,000 Speaker 1: be able to breathe. It would only take a few 367 00:23:26,040 --> 00:23:30,840 Speaker 1: seconds before you would begin to experience hypoxia, uh, not 368 00:23:30,920 --> 00:23:33,119 Speaker 1: be able to think correctly, and then pass out. In 369 00:23:33,160 --> 00:23:37,040 Speaker 1: a plane, it's pressurized, and it's generally pressurized to a 370 00:23:37,080 --> 00:23:39,840 Speaker 1: round ten thousand feet or the equivalent of about ten 371 00:23:39,880 --> 00:23:42,119 Speaker 1: thousand feet in the air, So the air you're breathing 372 00:23:42,160 --> 00:23:46,280 Speaker 1: inside the cabin is uh they call it ten thousand feet. 373 00:23:46,760 --> 00:23:49,400 Speaker 1: Generally it's the equivalent of that. In this case, if 374 00:23:49,400 --> 00:23:53,480 Speaker 1: the cabin was depressurized, then the crew would have been 375 00:23:53,520 --> 00:23:56,520 Speaker 1: experiencing hypoxia, they would have been disoriented, they wouldn't have 376 00:23:56,560 --> 00:23:59,800 Speaker 1: been able to make good decisions, or at least decisions 377 00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:02,960 Speaker 1: were based on their training. And if that happened, it 378 00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:08,560 Speaker 1: could lead down this cascading pathway of bad decisions and 379 00:24:08,600 --> 00:24:11,680 Speaker 1: then tragedy. But here's the thing. Even if the crew 380 00:24:12,320 --> 00:24:17,080 Speaker 1: was unresponsive because the cabin depressurized, they experienced hypoxia, they 381 00:24:17,119 --> 00:24:21,040 Speaker 1: passed out, even the autopilot that exists on these Boeing 382 00:24:21,080 --> 00:24:24,679 Speaker 1: seven seven seven planes would have kicked in and they 383 00:24:24,720 --> 00:24:30,440 Speaker 1: would have at least stayed on that path northeast towards Beijing. Yeah, 384 00:24:30,440 --> 00:24:35,400 Speaker 1: the autopilot would stay on until the engine literally ran 385 00:24:35,560 --> 00:24:38,120 Speaker 1: out of fuel and experience the flame out, at which 386 00:24:38,119 --> 00:24:41,879 Speaker 1: point the autopilot would disengage and the aircraft would crash 387 00:24:42,160 --> 00:24:46,719 Speaker 1: very soon thereafter. However, this doesn't explain why the planes 388 00:24:46,800 --> 00:24:50,320 Speaker 1: seemed to turn around after becoming unresponsive, which I think 389 00:24:50,320 --> 00:24:52,880 Speaker 1: you mentioned at the top before we even started going 390 00:24:52,920 --> 00:24:57,240 Speaker 1: into theories. Autopilot won't do that. An autopilot program would 391 00:24:57,280 --> 00:25:03,480 Speaker 1: not do that. Hypoxia is known to cause confusion and disorientation, 392 00:25:03,680 --> 00:25:07,920 Speaker 1: which can lead to abnormal erratic behavior, and the question 393 00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:10,399 Speaker 1: here is could that have played a role. Could the 394 00:25:10,720 --> 00:25:15,720 Speaker 1: gradual decompression of the cabin occurred such that people didn't 395 00:25:15,760 --> 00:25:19,760 Speaker 1: maybe instantly pass out, but the captain or someone piloting 396 00:25:19,760 --> 00:25:24,639 Speaker 1: the aircraft was confused and freaking out and then tried 397 00:25:24,720 --> 00:25:26,840 Speaker 1: at the last minute to do what they saw as 398 00:25:26,840 --> 00:25:31,800 Speaker 1: a course correct. That's the question. Australian Transport Safety Bureau 399 00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:36,280 Speaker 1: doesn't one confirmed this. They're very careful with the way 400 00:25:36,320 --> 00:25:38,440 Speaker 1: they build their case. If you read the report, they're 401 00:25:38,520 --> 00:25:45,160 Speaker 1: essentially saying the evidence indicates this is the most plausible explanation, 402 00:25:45,560 --> 00:25:48,600 Speaker 1: but there are other ones out there. What if this was, 403 00:25:49,080 --> 00:25:51,359 Speaker 1: you know, this is a tense term for some people, 404 00:25:51,720 --> 00:25:55,280 Speaker 1: an inside job. What if the plane was hijacked by 405 00:25:55,320 --> 00:25:59,800 Speaker 1: a member of the crew, possibly in a suicide attempt. 406 00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:04,120 Speaker 1: Rational Wiki has a great approach to this. They they 407 00:26:04,160 --> 00:26:08,359 Speaker 1: summarize the following facts about the pilot we mentioned earlier 408 00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:12,280 Speaker 1: as a Harry ahmade shop. Shaw was reported by his 409 00:26:12,359 --> 00:26:15,359 Speaker 1: coworkers and friends to be going through a period of 410 00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:20,159 Speaker 1: quote emotional distress due to his marriage falling apart. A 411 00:26:20,280 --> 00:26:24,520 Speaker 1: later police investigation, they did a background check on everyone 412 00:26:24,560 --> 00:26:28,119 Speaker 1: on the plane and in these of course these background checks, 413 00:26:28,160 --> 00:26:32,160 Speaker 1: the police investigation of Zahari found that he had been 414 00:26:32,200 --> 00:26:37,000 Speaker 1: acting in an erratic manner in the last few days 415 00:26:37,640 --> 00:26:42,080 Speaker 1: leading up to this flight. Specifically, he had made absolutely 416 00:26:42,080 --> 00:26:46,399 Speaker 1: no plans after March eight. That's where his calendar ended. 417 00:26:46,960 --> 00:26:49,159 Speaker 1: And it sounds crazy at first to say, Wait, a 418 00:26:49,280 --> 00:26:54,439 Speaker 1: pilot hijacked their own plane to commit suicide or something 419 00:26:54,520 --> 00:26:59,200 Speaker 1: like that. Weirdly enough, that's not as uncommon as any 420 00:26:59,240 --> 00:27:02,000 Speaker 1: of us would probably like to believe. It certainly happened 421 00:27:02,040 --> 00:27:05,680 Speaker 1: a few times that I can think of in the past. Um, 422 00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:11,200 Speaker 1: it's a it's a weird thing to imagine somebody deciding 423 00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:17,680 Speaker 1: to take their own life along with two hundred plus others. Um, 424 00:27:17,920 --> 00:27:21,000 Speaker 1: it's it's hard to imagine. Well, but it's but it's not, 425 00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:25,119 Speaker 1: it's not implausible. Yeah, Unfortunately, that's something we know because 426 00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:28,640 Speaker 1: what the show has taught us about the human experience 427 00:27:29,080 --> 00:27:32,080 Speaker 1: is that humans are very very selfish and very very 428 00:27:32,119 --> 00:27:39,200 Speaker 1: talented at rationalizing. They're horrible base traits, right, So we 429 00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:41,920 Speaker 1: we know that it's we know it's not uncommon. There's 430 00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:45,760 Speaker 1: another example, German Wings flight nine five to five that's 431 00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:50,240 Speaker 1: a similar thing. We also know that the same technology 432 00:27:50,280 --> 00:27:54,760 Speaker 1: that prevents outside hijackers from successfully taking a plane is 433 00:27:54,800 --> 00:27:59,080 Speaker 1: the same technology that helps inside hijackers carry off something 434 00:27:59,160 --> 00:28:02,919 Speaker 1: like this cockpit door of this Bowing seven seven seven 435 00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:07,720 Speaker 1: had anti hijacking technology on it, making it once the 436 00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:11,960 Speaker 1: doors locked nearly impossible, virtually impossible for crew members or 437 00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:16,600 Speaker 1: passengers to break in and stop him. Also, the police 438 00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:22,800 Speaker 1: investigation turned up some weird stuff at his homemade flight simulator. Right. Oh, yeah, 439 00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:25,959 Speaker 1: he had this really impressive flight simulator set up at 440 00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:28,800 Speaker 1: his house. You know, for me, when I was playing it, 441 00:28:28,800 --> 00:28:31,480 Speaker 1: it was just on my home computer at a mouse 442 00:28:31,480 --> 00:28:34,880 Speaker 1: and a keyboard, and I thought, I was it was awesome. 443 00:28:35,520 --> 00:28:38,160 Speaker 1: But for him, he actually had a lot of the controls, 444 00:28:38,160 --> 00:28:40,920 Speaker 1: a lot of the actual devices that you would need 445 00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:45,240 Speaker 1: to manipulate on a plane to make it function. And uh, 446 00:28:45,320 --> 00:28:50,720 Speaker 1: what they found there was very strange. Apparently when they 447 00:28:50,800 --> 00:28:53,080 Speaker 1: when they actually pulled stuff up, all they really found 448 00:28:53,120 --> 00:28:59,640 Speaker 1: were um coordinates of basically like take off and landing. Right, So, 449 00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:03,920 Speaker 1: there were several coordinates that were out in the Indian 450 00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:07,240 Speaker 1: Ocean where it's thought within the area that it's thought 451 00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:11,720 Speaker 1: that perhaps this plane crashed. Did we talk about that already, 452 00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:16,440 Speaker 1: Like we honestly don't know at all where this plane 453 00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:20,880 Speaker 1: crashed somewhere in the Indian Ocean. Yeah, there's literally a 454 00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:25,600 Speaker 1: giant ocean and a huge number of plot points basically 455 00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:29,240 Speaker 1: where this plane could have crashed. Um, it's insane, but 456 00:29:29,640 --> 00:29:34,160 Speaker 1: several of the the coordinates on its flight simulator were 457 00:29:34,280 --> 00:29:37,520 Speaker 1: within that area, just in the ocean, and you generally 458 00:29:37,560 --> 00:29:41,800 Speaker 1: don't plot points like that when you're flying a simulator, right, Yeah, 459 00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:45,920 Speaker 1: According to New York Magazine, the FBI, the US FBI 460 00:29:46,280 --> 00:29:49,160 Speaker 1: was able to recover six deleted data points that have 461 00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:53,600 Speaker 1: been stored in his simulator program in the weeks before 462 00:29:53,680 --> 00:29:57,360 Speaker 1: three seventy disappeared. And what's interesting about that that article, 463 00:29:57,440 --> 00:30:02,400 Speaker 1: which is through their intelligence or um brand or imprint, 464 00:30:02,800 --> 00:30:07,680 Speaker 1: is that you can see the path here with the 465 00:30:07,720 --> 00:30:12,200 Speaker 1: simulated flight Sahari took in red and then the projected 466 00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:17,320 Speaker 1: flight path of the actual plane in yellow. They don't 467 00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:21,800 Speaker 1: line up, but the direction is more or less exactly 468 00:30:21,840 --> 00:30:26,160 Speaker 1: the same. So this flight simulator stuff is not proof 469 00:30:26,280 --> 00:30:31,040 Speaker 1: positive that Zahari himself took over the plane and purposely 470 00:30:31,080 --> 00:30:34,400 Speaker 1: crashed it or crashed in an attempt to get somewhere. Well, yeah, 471 00:30:34,440 --> 00:30:37,680 Speaker 1: because there's no you can't prove intent or anything like 472 00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:40,480 Speaker 1: that with his what he was doing on his flight simulator. 473 00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:43,600 Speaker 1: There's no way he may have just been wanting to 474 00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:46,959 Speaker 1: fly out towards Antarctica that day because he was bored 475 00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:50,960 Speaker 1: on his flight simulator. Seriously, he may have just been 476 00:30:51,160 --> 00:30:54,400 Speaker 1: and called me crazy here called me maybe there's two 477 00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:57,920 Speaker 1: tinfoil hat for everybody. Uh, because he's a pilot, he 478 00:30:58,040 --> 00:31:01,480 Speaker 1: might have just been practicing flying planes. I mean, maybe 479 00:31:01,560 --> 00:31:06,200 Speaker 1: maybe I'm the fringe theorists in this case. Here's here's 480 00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:10,000 Speaker 1: the problem. A report in two thousand eighteen claimed to 481 00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:15,160 Speaker 1: rule out suicide based on an analysis of the cruise backgrounds, 482 00:31:15,360 --> 00:31:19,720 Speaker 1: including the pilot and then personalities, and analysis of voice recordings. 483 00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:22,560 Speaker 1: This report claimed the pilot wasn't the culprit, but it 484 00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:25,719 Speaker 1: did not rule out interference by a third party. And 485 00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:27,400 Speaker 1: we do have to we we have a couple of 486 00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:30,840 Speaker 1: things we have to mention about those reports in general, 487 00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:34,320 Speaker 1: which is that the Malaysian government and a couple of 488 00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:38,000 Speaker 1: other governments scrambled to cover up and suppress things in 489 00:31:38,080 --> 00:31:41,760 Speaker 1: the initial uh, in the initial early days of the investigation, 490 00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:46,960 Speaker 1: partially because they did not want to They did not 491 00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:50,760 Speaker 1: want to have bad PR. Ultimately, and I don't mean 492 00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:53,680 Speaker 1: to sound reductive calling it that, but they didn't want 493 00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:56,080 Speaker 1: to have bad PR. They also did not want to 494 00:31:56,080 --> 00:32:01,400 Speaker 1: reveal their military capabilities, because if you allow military tech 495 00:32:01,480 --> 00:32:04,760 Speaker 1: to enter into a civilian or commercial search like this, 496 00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:10,560 Speaker 1: you're essentially giving away information to other adjacent countries and 497 00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:15,000 Speaker 1: state actors, and Vietnam will say, oh, you you can, 498 00:32:15,320 --> 00:32:18,680 Speaker 1: you can see that, but that's an our airspace. And 499 00:32:18,680 --> 00:32:21,680 Speaker 1: then of course China will say, oh, so that's how 500 00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:25,720 Speaker 1: far your radar goes d lightful. Thanks for the info, bro. 501 00:32:26,720 --> 00:32:30,920 Speaker 1: But the this, this other report argues that, well, it 502 00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:33,800 Speaker 1: doesn't argue it does not rule out interference by a 503 00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:37,920 Speaker 1: third party. And this idea of hijacking by an external 504 00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:41,240 Speaker 1: party is the most commonly cited explanation. It's the one 505 00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:44,840 Speaker 1: you saw in most mainstream US media. The problem is 506 00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:48,120 Speaker 1: there's no terror group that has taken responsibility, or no 507 00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:51,480 Speaker 1: terrorists who said we did this. It's us. There's a 508 00:32:51,520 --> 00:32:56,560 Speaker 1: weird open letter from some group purporting to be from China, 509 00:32:57,280 --> 00:32:59,800 Speaker 1: like a terror group from China, but it was it 510 00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:04,240 Speaker 1: was ruled to be likely not actual, and background checks 511 00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:08,120 Speaker 1: and all the passengers have come up relatively clean, except 512 00:33:08,160 --> 00:33:12,120 Speaker 1: for some scuttle but about two Iranian passengers flying on 513 00:33:12,520 --> 00:33:15,719 Speaker 1: fake German passports. I want to say, there's still no 514 00:33:15,840 --> 00:33:20,480 Speaker 1: known motive for the disappearance. Fire has also been advanced 515 00:33:20,520 --> 00:33:24,800 Speaker 1: as a possibility. That's true. Fire has happened in the past, 516 00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:28,560 Speaker 1: but until we actually find the majority of the wreckage, 517 00:33:28,600 --> 00:33:31,880 Speaker 1: there's no way to know it. They're less plausible. Things 518 00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:37,920 Speaker 1: have been advanced. There's always an alarmist call citing jahad ist. Uh, 519 00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:41,240 Speaker 1: there's the possibility of a cyber attack. Yeah, and that 520 00:33:41,280 --> 00:33:44,560 Speaker 1: has to do with the planes autopilot system, because after 521 00:33:44,680 --> 00:33:47,600 Speaker 1: nine eleven, as another way to try and prevent some 522 00:33:47,680 --> 00:33:53,440 Speaker 1: kind of hijacking, Boeing installed this specific countermeasure within the 523 00:33:53,920 --> 00:33:57,600 Speaker 1: the autopilot so that air traffic controllers could take over 524 00:33:57,680 --> 00:34:01,720 Speaker 1: basically in remote control we fly that plane. And in 525 00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:05,840 Speaker 1: two thousand seven Boeing had said they had installed what 526 00:34:05,880 --> 00:34:10,440 Speaker 1: they call the uninterruptible auto pilot. So the theories that 527 00:34:10,560 --> 00:34:14,560 Speaker 1: hijackers on the plane around the ground hijacked this autopilot 528 00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:17,520 Speaker 1: program and tampered with it, sort of the way that 529 00:34:17,640 --> 00:34:22,080 Speaker 1: US intelligence agencies have been accused of tampering with remote 530 00:34:22,120 --> 00:34:27,960 Speaker 1: driving capabilities of newer vehicles. And as a tech writer 531 00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:31,880 Speaker 1: named Jeff Wise who said, maybe the hijackers access the 532 00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:35,839 Speaker 1: systems through the floor the first class compartment being able 533 00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:39,719 Speaker 1: to spoof satellite data to mislead searchers, And then he 534 00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:43,960 Speaker 1: said maybe they flew the plane north to Kazakhstan. But 535 00:34:44,120 --> 00:34:48,360 Speaker 1: this doesn't This doesn't explain nor account for dozens of 536 00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:51,840 Speaker 1: other problems. One thing I think is interesting that is 537 00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:57,280 Speaker 1: probably not true. There's a Delta Airlines captain named Field McConnell, 538 00:34:57,680 --> 00:35:00,520 Speaker 1: his real first name is Field, and he said that 539 00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:03,920 Speaker 1: there was corporate espionage a play that flight three seventy 540 00:35:04,239 --> 00:35:07,760 Speaker 1: was captured because some of the passengers on the plane 541 00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:12,440 Speaker 1: were Chinese employees of an Austin based semiconductor manufacturer named 542 00:35:12,520 --> 00:35:14,680 Speaker 1: free Scale. And this is something that some of us 543 00:35:14,719 --> 00:35:18,680 Speaker 1: have her reading into three seventy. Captain McConnell claimed that 544 00:35:18,719 --> 00:35:22,360 Speaker 1: the painting equipment on flight three seventy were secret devices 545 00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:27,480 Speaker 1: produced by Freescale that gave the plane stealth capabilities. So 546 00:35:27,719 --> 00:35:31,200 Speaker 1: he's saying like it it didn't wreck, it was captured. 547 00:35:31,680 --> 00:35:37,719 Speaker 1: The corporate espionage angle is pretty fascinating, you know. Initially 548 00:35:37,760 --> 00:35:40,520 Speaker 1: when they came out, I I thought I didn't know 549 00:35:40,520 --> 00:35:43,720 Speaker 1: whether there was sand to it, But but I thought, okay, 550 00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:48,200 Speaker 1: well these are this is a collection of people who 551 00:35:48,280 --> 00:35:52,440 Speaker 1: work in the same rarefied air right, so they would 552 00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:58,279 Speaker 1: be potentially high value subject matter experts to someone. But 553 00:35:58,360 --> 00:36:00,360 Speaker 1: does that make them a high value to market, and 554 00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:04,440 Speaker 1: that's what I couldn't get past. They're easier ways to 555 00:36:04,640 --> 00:36:08,960 Speaker 1: disappear people, certainly, but the concentration of a lot of 556 00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:14,040 Speaker 1: those people is if we were gaming it out, that 557 00:36:14,080 --> 00:36:19,080 Speaker 1: would be very helpful. Yeah, and the other there's another 558 00:36:19,160 --> 00:36:22,239 Speaker 1: part here, which is that the plane doesn't have to 559 00:36:22,360 --> 00:36:27,279 Speaker 1: have high value targets quote unquote aboard for it to 560 00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:30,080 Speaker 1: just be shot down. And a lot of people said 561 00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:32,319 Speaker 1: it was shot down. It was very popular with the 562 00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:36,320 Speaker 1: right wing contingents here in the United States. It the 563 00:36:36,520 --> 00:36:41,200 Speaker 1: theory is not super complex, just says a government somewhere, 564 00:36:41,360 --> 00:36:45,560 Speaker 1: possibly Malaysia, possibly the US, possibly China shot plane down. 565 00:36:46,080 --> 00:36:49,080 Speaker 1: So there are a lot of reasons there. Some of 566 00:36:49,120 --> 00:36:52,120 Speaker 1: it was just because the plane ended up in airspace 567 00:36:52,280 --> 00:36:56,040 Speaker 1: that was controlled, specifically over Ukraine. That was the thought 568 00:36:56,239 --> 00:36:58,880 Speaker 1: at least, and that it was shot down because it 569 00:36:58,960 --> 00:37:03,239 Speaker 1: was perceived as a threat um in controlled airspace. There's 570 00:37:03,239 --> 00:37:06,560 Speaker 1: some other stuff in there about um oh, I did 571 00:37:06,760 --> 00:37:08,440 Speaker 1: I forgot to even mention this. Do we talk about 572 00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:13,960 Speaker 1: North Korea and that possible connection that proposed, Yeah, there, 573 00:37:14,160 --> 00:37:17,719 Speaker 1: it's not possible there. Well, I can't say that. It 574 00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:20,839 Speaker 1: doesn't make much sense to me. Personally, the idea that 575 00:37:20,960 --> 00:37:26,400 Speaker 1: for some reason it was flown to North Korea on purpose. Yeah, 576 00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:29,920 Speaker 1: that's a that's a reddit theory, right. The only strong 577 00:37:30,120 --> 00:37:34,360 Speaker 1: support I saw for that theory or the argument for it, 578 00:37:34,480 --> 00:37:39,000 Speaker 1: was there was enough fuel on the plane to make 579 00:37:39,040 --> 00:37:42,040 Speaker 1: it to Peel and Gang. It would have been in range. Done. 580 00:37:42,200 --> 00:37:45,880 Speaker 1: That's it. Of course he went to North Korea. Yeah, 581 00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:48,279 Speaker 1: that's That's one of those things that gets advanced is 582 00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:51,080 Speaker 1: sort of a you know, I'm just asking questions, and 583 00:37:51,120 --> 00:37:54,400 Speaker 1: there's nothing wrong with asking questions kind of thing. Like 584 00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:56,239 Speaker 1: that guy who was like, hey, maybe it was a 585 00:37:56,360 --> 00:38:01,480 Speaker 1: black hole. Oh you mean Don Lemon from CNN. Yeah, 586 00:38:01,520 --> 00:38:05,319 Speaker 1: it's true. Don Lemon over at CNN asked whether a 587 00:38:05,560 --> 00:38:08,800 Speaker 1: minueture black hole could have caused the wreck. The answer 588 00:38:08,840 --> 00:38:14,399 Speaker 1: is probably not, Don, probably not. But also this hid 589 00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:19,759 Speaker 1: behind that that that rhetorical device of just asking questions. 590 00:38:20,520 --> 00:38:25,240 Speaker 1: By framing a preposterous claim as though it is a question, 591 00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:29,879 Speaker 1: we put the burden of proof on the person that 592 00:38:29,960 --> 00:38:34,680 Speaker 1: we're arguing at. Right now, we no longer have to 593 00:38:34,760 --> 00:38:40,400 Speaker 1: prove that we think the Queen of England is a 594 00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:44,160 Speaker 1: half hybrid alien who just has a real interest in 595 00:38:44,280 --> 00:38:48,040 Speaker 1: like screwing humans over for some reason. Now we just say, 596 00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:51,640 Speaker 1: I'm just asking the question, what if the Queen of 597 00:38:51,640 --> 00:38:57,000 Speaker 1: England is like half alien reptilian, half human hybrid and 598 00:38:57,080 --> 00:39:01,120 Speaker 1: just generally hates people. I'm just asked, Kate. Yeah, in 599 00:39:01,160 --> 00:39:04,000 Speaker 1: this case, don Lemon, I think worded it as preposterous, like, 600 00:39:04,160 --> 00:39:07,160 Speaker 1: is it preposterous to think that maybe a black hole 601 00:39:07,239 --> 00:39:10,040 Speaker 1: opened up and sucked in that plane and then closed 602 00:39:10,040 --> 00:39:12,160 Speaker 1: and then nobody saw the plane again, but nobody saw 603 00:39:12,160 --> 00:39:14,400 Speaker 1: the black hole again. It was just a quick little 604 00:39:15,040 --> 00:39:18,959 Speaker 1: I'm just asking, They're just just tell me if that's crazy, 605 00:39:19,040 --> 00:39:22,359 Speaker 1: and then that's that's very much related to the other 606 00:39:22,440 --> 00:39:28,080 Speaker 1: idea aliens. There was a poll on CNN's website that 607 00:39:28,160 --> 00:39:31,319 Speaker 1: I think has been deleted now, and according to that pole, 608 00:39:31,480 --> 00:39:35,759 Speaker 1: nine percent of the people responding answered that it was 609 00:39:35,960 --> 00:39:39,359 Speaker 1: quote very likely or quote somewhat likely, the flight three 610 00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:42,799 Speaker 1: seventy was abducted by aliens, time travelers, or beans from 611 00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:47,040 Speaker 1: another dimension. There is no scientific basis for that. That's 612 00:39:47,080 --> 00:39:50,840 Speaker 1: a self reporting poll, yes, and that's just the idea 613 00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:55,120 Speaker 1: that maybe the concept that nine of the people in 614 00:39:55,120 --> 00:39:59,520 Speaker 1: that particular poll believed that somehow aliens were involved, right, 615 00:39:59,719 --> 00:40:04,040 Speaker 1: It wasn't any specific there's no specifics to that pole. 616 00:40:04,080 --> 00:40:08,080 Speaker 1: It wasn't like they were Was the plane itself transported 617 00:40:08,120 --> 00:40:13,440 Speaker 1: onto another larger alien vessel. Did as extraterrestrials board the 618 00:40:13,480 --> 00:40:17,480 Speaker 1: plane and then take it to North Korea? Um? Sorry, 619 00:40:17,600 --> 00:40:20,960 Speaker 1: that's poking fun a little bit um, but you know 620 00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:24,360 Speaker 1: it's not to be pokeponed. Here is the fact that 621 00:40:25,360 --> 00:40:28,040 Speaker 1: hundreds of people went missing on that plane, including the 622 00:40:28,040 --> 00:40:31,000 Speaker 1: pilot and the first captain, and all of the crew 623 00:40:31,160 --> 00:40:33,080 Speaker 1: and all of the family members that were on there. 624 00:40:33,560 --> 00:40:39,000 Speaker 1: So these kinds of conspiracy theories again while I'm while 625 00:40:39,040 --> 00:40:41,640 Speaker 1: I'm making fun of it a little bit personally, that 626 00:40:41,880 --> 00:40:44,840 Speaker 1: is not to discount the tragedy that has occurred here. Yes, 627 00:40:45,080 --> 00:40:49,680 Speaker 1: and well said, there are other theories at play here, 628 00:40:49,840 --> 00:40:53,040 Speaker 1: the idea that the plane was abducted by the US 629 00:40:53,160 --> 00:40:58,520 Speaker 1: and taken to the toll of di Ago Garcia, or 630 00:40:59,680 --> 00:41:02,560 Speaker 1: that it was taken to some other place. There are 631 00:41:02,560 --> 00:41:10,600 Speaker 1: different genres of MG three seventy theories, conspiracy theories. But 632 00:41:10,800 --> 00:41:15,640 Speaker 1: we do know that some experts have claimed to have 633 00:41:15,800 --> 00:41:18,680 Speaker 1: found parts of the wreckage. Do you hear about this? 634 00:41:20,480 --> 00:41:23,840 Speaker 1: Several pieces have washed up on the shores of small 635 00:41:23,920 --> 00:41:30,759 Speaker 1: islands out there within the Indian Ocean. UM. Pieces that 636 00:41:30,840 --> 00:41:32,880 Speaker 1: are definitely you can you can link up the serial 637 00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:37,240 Speaker 1: numbers within these pieces. It's not the fuselage, it's the 638 00:41:37,239 --> 00:41:40,320 Speaker 1: there's a wing flap in Tanzania. Yeah, that's one of 639 00:41:40,360 --> 00:41:42,600 Speaker 1: the things like that. Um, you can actually match it 640 00:41:42,680 --> 00:41:44,920 Speaker 1: up and say, yes, this came from this specific model 641 00:41:45,040 --> 00:41:48,360 Speaker 1: and serial number, and there was a playing wing fragment 642 00:41:48,520 --> 00:41:54,520 Speaker 1: in Martius Mauritius. Yeah. There's a great, great article from 643 00:41:54,560 --> 00:41:58,560 Speaker 1: the Atlantic called What Really Happened to Malaysia's Missing Airplane 644 00:41:59,480 --> 00:42:05,759 Speaker 1: that is written by William lang Wish or Languish. That's 645 00:42:05,800 --> 00:42:10,120 Speaker 1: pretty recent it's July. Yeah, and within there he does 646 00:42:10,640 --> 00:42:14,319 Speaker 1: William does a great job of outlining there's a particular 647 00:42:14,440 --> 00:42:16,520 Speaker 1: man that I cannot recall his name right now, but 648 00:42:16,600 --> 00:42:20,520 Speaker 1: Gibson gives it is Gibson Lane Gibson. He's the essentially 649 00:42:20,840 --> 00:42:26,600 Speaker 1: self made Malaysia three Malaysia Airlines three seventy hunter. I 650 00:42:26,600 --> 00:42:30,560 Speaker 1: mean really, he's he's been looking for uh pieces of 651 00:42:30,920 --> 00:42:34,400 Speaker 1: debris that have washed up on shores across the world, 652 00:42:34,560 --> 00:42:37,280 Speaker 1: on all over, all over, and he's also put feelers 653 00:42:37,280 --> 00:42:39,799 Speaker 1: out to a lot of these smaller islands where you know, 654 00:42:39,920 --> 00:42:43,360 Speaker 1: stuff just happens to wash ashore and then they notify him. Yeah. 655 00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:46,319 Speaker 1: To continue with the examples, there was a I had 656 00:42:46,360 --> 00:42:49,840 Speaker 1: not I am not an aviation expert. I do not 657 00:42:49,960 --> 00:42:53,920 Speaker 1: know what a flap perone is or a flat perone 658 00:42:53,920 --> 00:42:57,239 Speaker 1: what There was one found in Reunion Island or on 659 00:42:57,400 --> 00:43:02,000 Speaker 1: Reunion Island. That would make a total of at least 660 00:43:02,040 --> 00:43:06,200 Speaker 1: three three confirmed pieces. But then there are other things 661 00:43:06,239 --> 00:43:09,600 Speaker 1: have been found that are almost certainly from the missing 662 00:43:09,680 --> 00:43:13,600 Speaker 1: jetliner Madagascar. There was a cabin interior panel found in 663 00:43:13,760 --> 00:43:19,240 Speaker 1: June and engine Cowean in South Africa, another interior panel 664 00:43:19,400 --> 00:43:26,359 Speaker 1: on Rodriguez Island, horizontal stabilizers on Mozambique, flaptrack firing on Mozambique. 665 00:43:26,400 --> 00:43:29,160 Speaker 1: There the stuff is out there, it's being found. One 666 00:43:29,320 --> 00:43:33,240 Speaker 1: interesting conspiracy theory I heard about Gibson, which I hope 667 00:43:33,320 --> 00:43:37,359 Speaker 1: was not proposed in a in a serious air, was 668 00:43:37,480 --> 00:43:41,120 Speaker 1: that he had access to much more wreckage but was 669 00:43:41,280 --> 00:43:47,000 Speaker 1: doling it out slowly to to for his reputation. And uh, 670 00:43:47,160 --> 00:43:49,879 Speaker 1: Mr Gibson, if you're listening, I do not believe that's 671 00:43:49,920 --> 00:43:52,120 Speaker 1: the case. And I think people are doing that. We're 672 00:43:52,160 --> 00:43:57,440 Speaker 1: hopefully being satirical or trying to be edge Lord's online. Yeah, 673 00:43:57,920 --> 00:44:01,520 Speaker 1: I would agree, at least for the writing from that article, 674 00:44:01,560 --> 00:44:04,960 Speaker 1: it appears that his actions have been well intentioned, like 675 00:44:05,040 --> 00:44:09,239 Speaker 1: going to memorials to meet with with family members of 676 00:44:09,400 --> 00:44:13,280 Speaker 1: victims and going, you know, traveling all over the world 677 00:44:13,280 --> 00:44:15,840 Speaker 1: with people. In particular, there was a young woman whose 678 00:44:15,920 --> 00:44:19,240 Speaker 1: mother I believe uh was lost in that in that flight. 679 00:44:19,719 --> 00:44:22,800 Speaker 1: It's an interesting thing because as they're finding these pieces 680 00:44:22,800 --> 00:44:26,880 Speaker 1: of wreckage that wash up on shores dotted across the 681 00:44:26,920 --> 00:44:30,160 Speaker 1: area there, the whole point is, or at least Gibson 682 00:44:30,280 --> 00:44:32,480 Speaker 1: and some of the other people involved, they're trying to 683 00:44:32,640 --> 00:44:37,360 Speaker 1: trace back through ocean currents where that piece of wreckage 684 00:44:37,400 --> 00:44:41,560 Speaker 1: may have originated, right, because if it was sixteen you know, however, 685 00:44:41,600 --> 00:44:45,600 Speaker 1: many months after the wreckage was found, from the day 686 00:44:45,640 --> 00:44:48,439 Speaker 1: that they know the plane went missing, you can kind 687 00:44:48,480 --> 00:44:51,960 Speaker 1: of trace, you know, just through the records of ocean 688 00:44:52,040 --> 00:44:56,120 Speaker 1: currents what possibly was the route, right, And then if 689 00:44:56,160 --> 00:44:58,840 Speaker 1: you find that route, then maybe you can find the 690 00:44:58,880 --> 00:45:00,960 Speaker 1: origins of where it actually went down, and you can 691 00:45:01,040 --> 00:45:05,160 Speaker 1: find the rest of the plane. And then the end 692 00:45:05,239 --> 00:45:07,320 Speaker 1: goal for that would be to find the black boxes 693 00:45:07,360 --> 00:45:10,120 Speaker 1: so you can actually hear what occurred inside that cockpit. 694 00:45:10,400 --> 00:45:15,920 Speaker 1: And it's interesting said, because that would be my my 695 00:45:16,040 --> 00:45:20,360 Speaker 1: summation to the importance of finding the Black Box. However, 696 00:45:20,440 --> 00:45:25,200 Speaker 1: that's not what the author from the Atlantic ends up proposing. 697 00:45:26,160 --> 00:45:29,600 Speaker 1: Because now we're you know, we're several years past the event. 698 00:45:30,160 --> 00:45:33,360 Speaker 1: People in Australia have done all the research they could. 699 00:45:34,239 --> 00:45:37,759 Speaker 1: The government of China is censoring news that might The 700 00:45:37,800 --> 00:45:40,920 Speaker 1: government China just wants to move on, right. The government 701 00:45:40,920 --> 00:45:44,600 Speaker 1: of Malaysia wishes, of course this has never happened. They 702 00:45:44,600 --> 00:45:50,560 Speaker 1: wanted to go away, and while people are still finding pieces, 703 00:45:50,600 --> 00:45:53,600 Speaker 1: and Gibson being one of the main sources of those pieces, 704 00:45:54,080 --> 00:45:56,520 Speaker 1: you would think that the government of Malaysia would be 705 00:45:56,560 --> 00:46:00,600 Speaker 1: more happy about it, right, But unfortunately that does not 706 00:46:00,719 --> 00:46:04,480 Speaker 1: seem to be the case. They want to walk away 707 00:46:04,560 --> 00:46:07,040 Speaker 1: from this because it made them look bad. It made 708 00:46:07,080 --> 00:46:10,120 Speaker 1: them look a little incompetent. They weren't following protocol. They 709 00:46:10,120 --> 00:46:14,360 Speaker 1: were doing cover ups pretty much immediately. And so to 710 00:46:14,680 --> 00:46:17,759 Speaker 1: the to the Atlantic author, I guess the best way 711 00:46:17,760 --> 00:46:19,680 Speaker 1: to sum it up is to take an excerpt from 712 00:46:20,480 --> 00:46:26,440 Speaker 1: their their earlier piece in July nineteen. They say, quote, 713 00:46:26,480 --> 00:46:29,120 Speaker 1: the important answers probably don't lie in the ocean, but 714 00:46:29,200 --> 00:46:32,200 Speaker 1: on land in Malaysia. That should be the focus moving forward, 715 00:46:32,280 --> 00:46:35,319 Speaker 1: unless they are as incompetent as the Air Force and 716 00:46:35,400 --> 00:46:38,920 Speaker 1: air traffic Control the Malaysian police. No more than they 717 00:46:38,920 --> 00:46:41,399 Speaker 1: have dared to say. The riddle may not be deep. 718 00:46:41,680 --> 00:46:44,879 Speaker 1: That is the frustration here. The answers may well lie 719 00:46:45,000 --> 00:46:47,720 Speaker 1: close at hand, but they are more difficult to retrieve 720 00:46:47,760 --> 00:46:51,400 Speaker 1: than any black box. If Blaine Gibson wants a real adventure, 721 00:46:51,680 --> 00:46:54,960 Speaker 1: he might spend a year poking around Kuala Lumpur. I 722 00:46:55,000 --> 00:46:58,040 Speaker 1: don't know, what do you think of that, matt Um. 723 00:46:58,480 --> 00:47:00,319 Speaker 1: It's weird to put it on Blaine gibbs in like 724 00:47:00,400 --> 00:47:03,319 Speaker 1: that because I think what he's doing is separate from 725 00:47:03,360 --> 00:47:06,600 Speaker 1: what the writer is talking about. Um. The writer is 726 00:47:06,640 --> 00:47:13,040 Speaker 1: talking about corruption, right, and an investigation into that corruption. Um. 727 00:47:13,400 --> 00:47:16,880 Speaker 1: What Blaine is doing is literally trying to find pieces 728 00:47:16,920 --> 00:47:19,319 Speaker 1: and then trace back, working with Australia in a couple 729 00:47:19,360 --> 00:47:23,080 Speaker 1: of other places to trace back, um, the to the 730 00:47:23,120 --> 00:47:26,160 Speaker 1: originating point to find that black box. So I don't know, 731 00:47:26,400 --> 00:47:28,400 Speaker 1: to make inequialency out of those, I don't know. It 732 00:47:28,440 --> 00:47:31,320 Speaker 1: doesn't make sense to me. No, No, that's what I'm saying. 733 00:47:32,040 --> 00:47:34,120 Speaker 1: It doesn't. It doesn't make sense to me, but I 734 00:47:34,160 --> 00:47:36,200 Speaker 1: see what the author is saying, and in the same 735 00:47:36,280 --> 00:47:40,520 Speaker 1: right that the way it was obtuscated by the Malaysian 736 00:47:40,520 --> 00:47:44,800 Speaker 1: military and some of those you know groups, at least initially, 737 00:47:45,040 --> 00:47:46,719 Speaker 1: it does lead you down the path of they know 738 00:47:46,840 --> 00:47:49,800 Speaker 1: something more than they're saying, because they certainly did before 739 00:47:49,800 --> 00:47:52,879 Speaker 1: it was leaked. And now the question is did they 740 00:47:52,920 --> 00:47:56,000 Speaker 1: reveal all the stuff they knew at the time or 741 00:47:56,120 --> 00:48:00,279 Speaker 1: are they for some reason holding back information And if so, 742 00:48:00,880 --> 00:48:05,640 Speaker 1: what is that information? Why? What is the motivation? Goes 743 00:48:05,680 --> 00:48:09,920 Speaker 1: down to information and motivation, and this is close to 744 00:48:10,000 --> 00:48:14,080 Speaker 1: where today's episode ends. We do not have all the answers. 745 00:48:14,200 --> 00:48:17,200 Speaker 1: There are pages and pages written about the event, but 746 00:48:17,719 --> 00:48:22,880 Speaker 1: what we can conclude is that it does clearly seem 747 00:48:23,000 --> 00:48:28,160 Speaker 1: to have wrecked many of the survivors. The relatives, the 748 00:48:28,200 --> 00:48:32,000 Speaker 1: family members and loved ones with people who most likely 749 00:48:32,080 --> 00:48:37,719 Speaker 1: died on this plane would of course be joyous for 750 00:48:37,880 --> 00:48:41,680 Speaker 1: the closure of discovering the bodies, giving them a proper burial, 751 00:48:41,719 --> 00:48:46,399 Speaker 1: and so on. But the ocean is vast and at 752 00:48:46,440 --> 00:48:52,640 Speaker 1: this time, while we can speculate about the circumstances of 753 00:48:53,040 --> 00:49:00,239 Speaker 1: these people's unfortunate deaths, we can not pinpoint where where 754 00:49:00,280 --> 00:49:02,520 Speaker 1: the bulk of the plane is now, or even if 755 00:49:02,520 --> 00:49:06,719 Speaker 1: the plane exists in one largely coherent piece. But I 756 00:49:06,760 --> 00:49:09,840 Speaker 1: don't know, man. It feels like if it did crash 757 00:49:09,920 --> 00:49:12,560 Speaker 1: into the ocean, you know, going as fast as it 758 00:49:12,800 --> 00:49:16,440 Speaker 1: generally would, it would be pretty difficult to to find 759 00:49:16,560 --> 00:49:19,520 Speaker 1: a couple of big pieces of that plane. But it 760 00:49:19,560 --> 00:49:21,400 Speaker 1: doesn't make sense because it seems like there will be 761 00:49:21,440 --> 00:49:23,960 Speaker 1: more things in pieces floating on the surface than were 762 00:49:23,960 --> 00:49:28,480 Speaker 1: ever recovered. Um. Yeah. Also, the ocean is awash with 763 00:49:28,680 --> 00:49:34,160 Speaker 1: trash and huge. It's very difficult. It's very our species 764 00:49:34,200 --> 00:49:37,719 Speaker 1: is very good at losing things. It's very difficult to 765 00:49:37,960 --> 00:49:42,800 Speaker 1: find missing planes. I know that seems counterintuitive because planes 766 00:49:42,800 --> 00:49:46,640 Speaker 1: are big, right, but the ocean is bigger, um, And 767 00:49:47,040 --> 00:49:51,520 Speaker 1: we lose planes way more often than I would like 768 00:49:51,600 --> 00:49:57,200 Speaker 1: to believe. And this leads us to something that you 769 00:49:57,239 --> 00:50:00,959 Speaker 1: have been thinking of off air, right, Acum's razor. Yes, 770 00:50:01,040 --> 00:50:06,160 Speaker 1: there's an article that's written by Christine Negroni and she 771 00:50:06,160 --> 00:50:08,840 Speaker 1: she basically just puts forth the idea that if we 772 00:50:08,840 --> 00:50:12,759 Speaker 1: do take Ockham's razor into account, here, the combination of 773 00:50:13,239 --> 00:50:16,719 Speaker 1: a transponder that ended up somehow in standby mode, a 774 00:50:16,840 --> 00:50:20,120 Speaker 1: depressurized cabin that disoriented the people who were meant to 775 00:50:20,120 --> 00:50:24,000 Speaker 1: be flying that plane, and then an inexperienced first officer 776 00:50:25,080 --> 00:50:28,640 Speaker 1: who didn't know exactly what to do to then gain 777 00:50:28,680 --> 00:50:33,000 Speaker 1: control of the plane. Because in her mind, at least 778 00:50:33,040 --> 00:50:36,480 Speaker 1: to the facts that she has the idea that the 779 00:50:36,840 --> 00:50:40,160 Speaker 1: very very experienced pilot that was supposed to be piloting 780 00:50:40,200 --> 00:50:43,160 Speaker 1: the plane was in the bathroom for some reason, um 781 00:50:43,160 --> 00:50:46,600 Speaker 1: in the main cabin or in the business class cabin 782 00:50:47,360 --> 00:50:52,440 Speaker 1: when the cabin depressurized so that he could not get 783 00:50:52,640 --> 00:50:55,480 Speaker 1: back to where he needed to be the to fly 784 00:50:55,600 --> 00:50:59,040 Speaker 1: the plane, and the inexperienced guy was at the helm 785 00:50:59,160 --> 00:51:02,440 Speaker 1: um that's at least what she believes, and that's what 786 00:51:02,560 --> 00:51:06,000 Speaker 1: led to the old ultimately to the weird stuff that 787 00:51:06,040 --> 00:51:10,799 Speaker 1: happened on the flight and then the crash. But that 788 00:51:10,920 --> 00:51:15,960 Speaker 1: scenario does not account for that strange left turn, well, 789 00:51:15,960 --> 00:51:18,160 Speaker 1: I mean, the whole turning around of the plane from 790 00:51:18,200 --> 00:51:21,359 Speaker 1: their heading towards Beijing two then taking that big left 791 00:51:21,360 --> 00:51:26,360 Speaker 1: turn towards Antarctica, the manual southwestern term which was essentially 792 00:51:26,360 --> 00:51:29,840 Speaker 1: a one eight because somebody did that. Yet someone had 793 00:51:29,960 --> 00:51:34,520 Speaker 1: to do that, and that's that's where we leave it today. 794 00:51:34,760 --> 00:51:38,000 Speaker 1: The problem with the most plausible theories is that they 795 00:51:38,200 --> 00:51:42,880 Speaker 1: do not explain that turn, And the problem with things 796 00:51:42,920 --> 00:51:46,880 Speaker 1: that explain that turn is that they are primarily oriented 797 00:51:46,880 --> 00:51:50,239 Speaker 1: towards explaining that term oriented is probably not the best 798 00:51:50,280 --> 00:51:53,279 Speaker 1: word to use there. However, we do know that the 799 00:51:53,320 --> 00:51:56,560 Speaker 1: at least pieces of the plane have been separated from 800 00:51:56,600 --> 00:52:00,719 Speaker 1: the plane entire and we want to hear rob you. 801 00:52:00,880 --> 00:52:03,680 Speaker 1: I will say, just by personal opinion here, I think 802 00:52:03,840 --> 00:52:07,120 Speaker 1: was the captain, but that's just based on this stuff 803 00:52:07,120 --> 00:52:10,480 Speaker 1: I've read. Yeah, I would say a lot of the sources, 804 00:52:10,480 --> 00:52:13,280 Speaker 1: at least that we've been looking through for this, appear 805 00:52:13,360 --> 00:52:15,799 Speaker 1: to aim that in that direction. And we want to 806 00:52:15,880 --> 00:52:19,320 Speaker 1: hear from you. Do you believe that Captain Zahara Ahmad 807 00:52:19,400 --> 00:52:24,440 Speaker 1: Shaw committed suicide, taking a plane full of more than 808 00:52:24,520 --> 00:52:28,920 Speaker 1: two people along with him in the process. 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