Speaker 1: Hi, everybody, Welcome to Packers Unscripted from Packers dot Com.
Speaker 1: I am Mike Spofford, sitting next to my trusted colleague
Speaker 1: West Hodcoits were coming to you here from our studios
Speaker 1: at lambeau Field West. The Packers are too. And Oh,
Speaker 1: as we sit here on Tuesday, two days after sixteen
Speaker 1: victory over the Minnesota Vikings, some things yet to review
Speaker 1: from that game, and as we promised on yesterday's show,
Speaker 1: we have to get to some of these controversies. But
Speaker 1: I want to start out with a couple of things
Speaker 1: from Matt Lafleur's Monday afternoon press conference in which he
Speaker 1: reviewed some of the key moments from the game, and
Speaker 1: one of those being something we didn't really touch on,
Speaker 1: and yesterday's show, which was that at first down that
Speaker 1: sealed the game, the play action bootleg to the left
Speaker 1: pass from Aaron Rodgers to Davante Adams. Now, these are
Speaker 1: two obviously all pro Pro Bowl caliber players executing a
Speaker 1: play in crunch time. But it's almost as though we
Speaker 1: took for granted the how easy they made it look
Speaker 1: on what was what Matt Lafleur explained, was an incredibly
Speaker 1: difficult play to execute. Because of the pressure from Anthony Barr.
Speaker 1: I believe it was who was right in uh, Aaron
Speaker 1: Rodgers face, he's rolling to his leap. I just, uh,
Speaker 1: you know, it was only a seven yard completion, but
Speaker 1: it might have been from an execution standpoint, the most
Speaker 1: impressive play of the game. And you take a chance, Mike,
Speaker 1: and when you're in a four minute offense, you take
Speaker 1: a chance every time you throw the football. I mean,
Speaker 1: you want to be able to keep the clock running
Speaker 1: no matter what's happening. And in that particular instance, I
Speaker 1: just thought it was such a well done play in
Speaker 1: that it was a high percentage throw, but yet what
Speaker 1: he had to do to be able to get out
Speaker 1: there and find his receiver, because I mean, how many
Speaker 1: times do we see it? Actually, you could even go
Speaker 1: back to the week before against Chicago where the Packers
Speaker 1: I believe, tried to throw it to MVS ended up
Speaker 1: falling down and completion clock stops. So for Rogers to
Speaker 1: come back in, you know, have the kind of sequencing
Speaker 1: that they did get the thirteen yard game from Aaron Jones.
Speaker 1: You get them thinking more and more. You had the
Speaker 1: four yard carry. Okay, now they're looking at the run
Speaker 1: now they're cued into the run. They want to stop
Speaker 1: the run. Well, then you pull the you know, the
Speaker 1: rug from underneath them and and find Davante Adams. I
Speaker 1: wrote about it in the game notes too. I mean,
Speaker 1: Adams was so consistent in this game. Three of the
Speaker 1: five third downs converted were courtesy of him. But then
Speaker 1: to make that catch it was second and six. It
Speaker 1: was only seven yards, but those are the type of
Speaker 1: plays you have to make if you're going to close
Speaker 1: out opponents, especially within the division. The Packers accomplished that,
Speaker 1: and I give Matt Lafleur a lot of credit for
Speaker 1: that call there too, because Eviosuly the conservative, the easy
Speaker 1: thing to do is to just run the ball, just
Speaker 1: try to get that next first down, make the Vikings
Speaker 1: use their time outs all that, not risk the incomplete pass.
Speaker 1: And he said, hey, I've got confidence in my guys
Speaker 1: out there. I'm gonna be aggressive when I have confidence
Speaker 1: in them. And yet he had confidence despite the fact
Speaker 1: that until that final drive, the Packers had had only
Speaker 1: four first downs in the second half, and when they
Speaker 1: called for a pass play in a similar second down
Speaker 1: situation late in the game in Chicago, it wasn't complete.
Speaker 1: It stopped the clock. The Bears did have an extra
Speaker 1: time out then when the Packers had to pump the
Speaker 1: ball back to them when they couldn't close it out
Speaker 1: on offense. So his confidence was there. He went, He
Speaker 1: had the courage of his convictions that the play action
Speaker 1: there was the right call and it got the Packers
Speaker 1: of victory. Yeah, and it's also trusting your quarterback in
Speaker 1: that instance too, to make sure that you get the
Speaker 1: playoff and you have it play out the way you
Speaker 1: wanted to, because that is that's a difficult front. It's
Speaker 1: not like you're doing play action at inst a unit
Speaker 1: that can't get home with, you know, a four man rush.
Speaker 1: The Vikings very well can do that, and they have
Speaker 1: a bunch of guys that played discipline and fundamentally sound football.
Speaker 1: That's how they've consistently been among the NFL's best every year.
Speaker 1: But Rogers made the correct play on it in Davante Adams,
Speaker 1: to his credit, knew exactly where the sticks were to
Speaker 1: be able to get the first down and keep that
Speaker 1: drive moving. It's really interesting because how often do you
Speaker 1: see it's not even just the NFL. You go to
Speaker 1: college football, all these different levels teams that struggle to
Speaker 1: execute the four minute offense, and you know, they end
Speaker 1: up giving the opposition a chance to get the ball
Speaker 1: back because the reality is, if you do have your
Speaker 1: time alt's left, you know, you know, you can take
Speaker 1: eight seconds off the clock if it doesn't go right.
Speaker 1: So from that perspective, I just thought that it was
Speaker 1: a perfect embodiment of what the Packers were good at
Speaker 1: in that game, and that Aaron Jones was their workhorse,
Speaker 1: bell cow back hundred sixteen rushing yards, Davante Adams at
Speaker 1: the hundred and six receiving yards, and the twenty five
Speaker 1: yard defensive pass reference penalty that he drew. That was
Speaker 1: the go to, the one to punch for Aaron Rodgers
Speaker 1: in that day. In that combination is what helped him
Speaker 1: seal the victory. Yeah. Well, the other thing that I
Speaker 1: thought was a really interesting nugget from La Fleur's press conferences.
Speaker 1: He talked about the decision that he made after the
Speaker 1: forty five yard touchdown pasted its Stefon Diggs for the Vikings.
Speaker 1: It's twenty one to sixteen, but Diggs gets flagged for
Speaker 1: unsportsmanlike conduct for removing his helmet on the field after
Speaker 1: the touchdown. Catch, so it's a fifteen yard penalty personal
Speaker 1: file packers have the choice of either applying that penalty
Speaker 1: on the p A T or on the ensuing kickoff. Now,
Speaker 1: nine times out of ten, you're going to take that
Speaker 1: on the kickoff, make them kick off from the twenty
Speaker 1: yard line, and you hope to get better field position
Speaker 1: and your next possession. But Matt Lafleur saw that after
Speaker 1: the touchdown, the Vikings were leaving their offensive personnel on
Speaker 1: the field, and he's like, oh, they want to go
Speaker 1: for two to get to one to eighteen, get within
Speaker 1: three points. In my opinion, maybe a little early to
Speaker 1: be playing, you know, those points scenario games, but it
Speaker 1: was a low scoring game. It had turned into a
Speaker 1: little bit of a defensive battle by that point, so
Speaker 1: I can understand the strategy. But because he saw that
Speaker 1: the Vikings were going to go for two, he elected
Speaker 1: to enforce the penalty on the p A T. Which essentially,
Speaker 1: then if the Vikings still wanted to go for two,
Speaker 1: they'd have to run that play from the seventeen yard
Speaker 1: line to get into the end zone. Instead, they just
Speaker 1: took the fifteen yards from the fifteen back to the thirty,
Speaker 1: made it a forty eight yard single extra point try
Speaker 1: with the kick, which then the Packers blocked. But regardless,
Speaker 1: even if the Packers don't block that, the decision to
Speaker 1: take the penalty where he did it prevented the Vikings
Speaker 1: from getting within a field goal even if they make
Speaker 1: the extra Yeah. I thought it was an exceptional call
Speaker 1: by Matt Lafleur in that instance. And the other thing
Speaker 1: is too He's not going to say this, but I
Speaker 1: will say it. I mean, Dan Bailey had missed from
Speaker 1: forty seven yards earlier in that con Absolutely, yeah, you're
Speaker 1: putting back a kicker that, while historically accurate, only made
Speaker 1: of his kicks last year and already had missed one
Speaker 1: in the ball game. So everything screamed that was the
Speaker 1: right call. I also got to give credit to Mike
Speaker 1: Zimmer too for potentially trying to get a little savvy
Speaker 1: there and maybe going, you know, allowing his his offense
Speaker 1: to try to get the two point conversion because they
Speaker 1: just had the forty five yard touchdown. That could really
Speaker 1: be a backbreaker for the Packers if you come go
Speaker 1: back and you give up the forty five yard explosive
Speaker 1: and then you give up the two yard two point conversion. Instead,
Speaker 1: the momentum shifts back to Green Bay. I talked about
Speaker 1: it on yesterday's show with my conversation with Tony Brown.
Speaker 1: I mean, that was an opportunity for my Minnesota really
Speaker 1: to just grab everything and just kind of get everything
Speaker 1: moving in their way, you know, get the wind in
Speaker 1: their sales. And then as it turned out, and the
Speaker 1: packers kind of reduced the gusts a little bit and
Speaker 1: we're able to you know, mount the final stop that
Speaker 1: they needed to win that ball game. Well, certainly stefon
Speaker 1: Dig's emotions leading up to that moment and his his
Speaker 1: frustrations in essence leading up to that moment, because it
Speaker 1: turned out that was the only past he caught on
Speaker 1: the day, was the already five yard or for the touchdown.
Speaker 1: It got the best of him there, and it did
Speaker 1: cost the Vikings because that was that was a big penalty.
Speaker 1: But that leads me to what I want to talk
Speaker 1: about here as we get into some of these some
Speaker 1: of these gray areas, controversial calls, whatever you want to
Speaker 1: call them, And we'll start with what happened with Digs,
Speaker 1: which is what I think um was part of his
Speaker 1: frustration that had been building during the game the offensive
Speaker 1: past interference upon replay review that took away his short
Speaker 1: touchdown pass in the second quarter. Um first time, you know,
Speaker 1: it only took a couple of weeks. You knew what
Speaker 1: was going to happen. But the first time that the
Speaker 1: new rule of past interference being subject to review ends
Speaker 1: up taking away a touchdown because scoring plays are automatically reviewed,
Speaker 1: so once somebody gets in the end zone, they look
Speaker 1: at it. They're looking at everything, and they said in
Speaker 1: in the review command center in New York that Dalvin
Speaker 1: Cook was guilty of offensive past interference. Clear Darnelle Savage
Speaker 1: out of the way as Stefon Diggs caught the little
Speaker 1: pass on the crossing route. Vikings were not happy. I
Speaker 1: wouldn't expect them to be happy. But when you look
Speaker 1: at what happened on the film was I looked at
Speaker 1: it pretty closely yesterday for the first time. I didn't
Speaker 1: really see it all that closely on Sunday. But it's
Speaker 1: a legitimate call. It sort of reminds me a little
Speaker 1: bit about when you you know, like introduced an evasive
Speaker 1: species to a climate. This wasn't the reason why the
Speaker 1: NFL created this OPR review rule, but It's one of
Speaker 1: the sort of the byproducts of it is now these
Speaker 1: pick plays are going to be under greater scrutiny. It's
Speaker 1: an inevitable consequence of changing a rule, changing such a
Speaker 1: significant rule. Yeah, and I to be honest with you,
Speaker 1: I kind of like it. And I understand there was
Speaker 1: some pundits out there. I was watching some of the
Speaker 1: shows that hated this. But the thing I like about
Speaker 1: it is you could argue the pick play is the
Speaker 1: most difficult thing to officiate in the National Football League.
Speaker 1: I would agree with you. It is virtually impossible to
Speaker 1: be able to keep your eyes, especially when offenses go
Speaker 1: spread where you've got two receivers on each side and
Speaker 1: they're doing their crossing patterns, and when an offense is
Speaker 1: close to the goal line where where both sides of
Speaker 1: the ball everything is compacted. There are so many bodies
Speaker 1: and you know it's it's not you're not in the
Speaker 1: middle of the field where it's already difficult to knowl Yeah.
Speaker 1: So in in you know, these are become so commonplace
Speaker 1: and in a bang, big environment, it's really been difficult
Speaker 1: for officials to call those plays in real time. Tremont Williams,
Speaker 1: I talked about this on yesterday show, but Tremont Williams
Speaker 1: said afterwards, you know, historically that's been something that just
Speaker 1: hasn't gotten called, and it's just been something where the
Speaker 1: defenses kind of has to bear its teeth and just
Speaker 1: move on because they know they're not going to get that. Well,
Speaker 1: this was a shift a little bit, and to be
Speaker 1: honest with you, I feel like this was There's been
Speaker 1: a lot We're gonna talk about a lot of controversies
Speaker 1: coming up here, but this is I think an actual
Speaker 1: positive that's come out of this review is that now
Speaker 1: it's allowing the eye in the sky to look at
Speaker 1: these plays as opposed to these referees having to make
Speaker 1: judgment calls in the instant a flick of a pass,
Speaker 1: a moment in time, uh, quick bat of the eye
Speaker 1: and you have to make a judgment call. I do
Speaker 1: actually like potentially what this could do in terms of
Speaker 1: making offenses reconsider, you know, running those type of plays,
Speaker 1: and potentially the ramifications of it. Because the other thing
Speaker 1: is too it backed up the Vikings ten yards and
Speaker 1: they weren't able to get anywhere near that goal line
Speaker 1: after that. Right, the call cost them four points because
Speaker 1: they ended up kicking a field goal there at the
Speaker 1: end towards the end of the first half, as opposed
Speaker 1: to getting a touch on. I'm with you. I I
Speaker 1: agree with everything you said, because they are extremely difficult
Speaker 1: to officiate, and it's always it's felt for years to me,
Speaker 1: whether I'm watching the Patriots and Tom Brady or even
Speaker 1: some of the things the Packers have done over the
Speaker 1: years with with Randall Cobb and and um James Jones
Speaker 1: and guys like that, running those rub routes and pick
Speaker 1: plays and stuff like that. It's just it's always felt
Speaker 1: like it's so unfair to the defense, frankly. And yes,
Speaker 1: there are rules. If it happens within one yard of
Speaker 1: the line of scrimmage and whatnot, it's legal. But i mean,
Speaker 1: come on, these these officials are having to, you know,
Speaker 1: watch these world class athletes with the with these very
Speaker 1: finite specific parameters on the rules. It's it's not easy.
Speaker 1: And yeah, if if this review of past interference stuff
Speaker 1: is going to UH is going to lead to some
Speaker 1: offensive past interference calls being made and helping out defenses
Speaker 1: in these tough spots, I have no problem with that.
Speaker 1: The thing that was that's been interesting to me is
Speaker 1: what I've heard from all of the pundits or whether
Speaker 1: you're looking at the media in Minnesota, everything that's coming
Speaker 1: out of there is like, well, this wasn't what the
Speaker 1: rules intended to do to take touchdowns off the board.
Speaker 1: But you have a look at it. It's a penalty,
Speaker 1: So what the hell is? So what what? What's the
Speaker 1: I don't see what the problem with it is when
Speaker 1: you look at the film and it was clearly offensive
Speaker 1: past interference by the letter of the law. And let's
Speaker 1: be honest too, Mike, there's a science to this, right,
Speaker 1: I mean, you look at offensive line play. You know,
Speaker 1: Everson Griffin was making that kind of tongue in cheek
Speaker 1: joke about how David box Terry holds a line. I
Speaker 1: remember hearing, you know, certain defensive linemen say that about
Speaker 1: Josh Sitton. But there is an art to it and
Speaker 1: doing it well. There's gonna be pick plays that are
Speaker 1: gonna be very much in the gray area this year
Speaker 1: that they're gonna have to make tough calls on. This
Speaker 1: wasn't one of them. Delvin Cook did not do it
Speaker 1: the way you need to do it in order to
Speaker 1: avoid the penalty. It was a penalty. Yea, so it
Speaker 1: is what it is. But I certainly I think considering
Speaker 1: that the place started with the head of fish, I
Speaker 1: think that was who was it, John Hesse or whoever
Speaker 1: it was, Yeah, John Hussey. I believe we ended up
Speaker 1: coming out and say, well, why are we stopping the game?
Speaker 1: Mike was on a little too long, stopping the game
Speaker 1: because you guys just missed a penalty. Yeah, Well, a
Speaker 1: couple others I want to talk about here. We can
Speaker 1: talk about him in tandem. The Adam Theeland catch the
Speaker 1: thirty yard or that got the Vikings out to midfield
Speaker 1: in I believe it was the third quarter, and then
Speaker 1: Kevin King's interception in the corner of the end zone
Speaker 1: in the fourth quarter. Both of these were really interesting
Speaker 1: calls to me because we've seen various adjustments and permutations
Speaker 1: to the catch rule, the Calvin Johnson rule, whatever you
Speaker 1: want to call it, over the last few years, and
Speaker 1: quite frankly, I think the most recent adjustment to those
Speaker 1: to that rule is what allowed both of these plays
Speaker 1: to stand, because if you rewind the clock five or
Speaker 1: six years, I think both of those are incomplete passes.
Speaker 1: What do you think? So it's funny They're completely different
Speaker 1: in there on completely different sides of the ball in
Speaker 1: terms of who is catching the past, but I think
Speaker 1: they're eerily similar. And why I say that is the
Speaker 1: new rule whatever you want to say it is, and
Speaker 1: you could read it off to me right now and
Speaker 1: I would not be able to honestly tell you what
Speaker 1: the difference is in terms of nuance from the past rule.
Speaker 1: But the one thing that I've taken away from the
Speaker 1: last year and change in this new environment is basically
Speaker 1: the alteration to this rule is you're gonna need clear
Speaker 1: evidence to overturn whatever the original old judgment is of
Speaker 1: the officials. That is what holds the most water. Now,
Speaker 1: whatever that first initial reaction to it is is going
Speaker 1: to be the call, and it's gonna stand. It's why
Speaker 1: in Theeland's instance, I had no doubt from the beginning
Speaker 1: that that play was going to stand. I'm not saying
Speaker 1: it was a catch or not a catch, I don't know,
Speaker 1: but I had no doubt that they were going to
Speaker 1: rule that a catch, just based on what we've seen
Speaker 1: over the past year. The King one is, as I
Speaker 1: was explaining to you yesterday, I actually was a little
Speaker 1: bit more on board with it being a catch slash
Speaker 1: interception because he did it all in one one motion
Speaker 1: where it was conceivable although the ball came out, it
Speaker 1: was conceivable that he caught it and let the ball
Speaker 1: go and then continue to celebration, which is exactly what
Speaker 1: Calvin Johnson did when this whole thing started and his
Speaker 1: was ruled incomplete in the end zone at Soldier Field,
Speaker 1: and that's what opened this Pandora's box and it's led
Speaker 1: to essentially a decade's worth of machinations over the rule
Speaker 1: and everything like that. I agree with you. I think
Speaker 1: what Kevin did was all in one motion and it
Speaker 1: was very, very similar to the original Calvin Johnson play
Speaker 1: that was ruled incomplete. The one benefit that King had
Speaker 1: is there was a lot of bodies around where the
Speaker 1: Calvin Johnson won. It was just so much isolated on
Speaker 1: him at that exact moment because well he was Kelvin
Speaker 1: Johnson and basically beat everybody to the end zone. But
Speaker 1: you know, the thing is, again, as I just sort
Speaker 1: of illustrated alluded to when you had the Dez Bryant play,
Speaker 1: it just always seemed to be during that era of
Speaker 1: this call, it was always okay the officials are looking
Speaker 1: at these plays and they are just trying to find
Speaker 1: anything to overturn it as it now. It's looking at
Speaker 1: it and being like, Okay, we need to see something
Speaker 1: that makes us overturn it. I just think that that's
Speaker 1: the it's just the perspective that's changed, and it's allowed
Speaker 1: more of these plays to go there insummation. There are
Speaker 1: plays last year I can think of that I had
Speaker 1: more of an issue with standing than either one of
Speaker 1: those two. I would agree with you. My my initiative
Speaker 1: Washington last year I thought was agreed. I can't remember. Yeah,
Speaker 1: My initial reaction on the feeling one is just that
Speaker 1: because the whole time it seemed that that he was
Speaker 1: juggling the ball, and then just before he hit the
Speaker 1: ground it seemed that, yes, then he the ball was secure,
Speaker 1: and then you saw the nose of the ball hit
Speaker 1: the ground as he fell, and to me, like you
Speaker 1: slow that down frame by frame, it's like, yeah, it
Speaker 1: looks like he has it, But when you look at
Speaker 1: how much he was juggling it along the way, and
Speaker 1: then you're going to you're going to say that in
Speaker 1: really what amounts to maybe fifteen hundreds of a second,
Speaker 1: he had that before. The nose of the ball touched
Speaker 1: clearly touched the ground. To me, like the you know,
Speaker 1: the you know, the fifty guys in a bar rule,
Speaker 1: so to speak. If I'm one of those fifty guys
Speaker 1: in a bar, I'm saying the ground helped him catch it.
Speaker 1: Even though the ball didn't move. It felt to me
Speaker 1: like the ball helped him. The ground helped him catch
Speaker 1: the ball. Obviously, the way the rule is written now,
Speaker 1: as you said, they're they're looking for something clear and
Speaker 1: is to change a catch if it's been ruled a
Speaker 1: catch on the field. And in both of those instances
Speaker 1: that we're talking about, they were ruled a catch and
Speaker 1: an interception and they didn't see they didn't see anything
Speaker 1: that was like, you know, oh my gosh, no, that
Speaker 1: wasn't correct, So we're going to change it. Yeah, for
Speaker 1: whatever you know they made of this whole thing of
Speaker 1: New York reviewing these things, the weight of the call
Speaker 1: still seems to be on the original official The one
Speaker 1: thing I will say that if I have any issue
Speaker 1: with the way that this has been ruled or officiated
Speaker 1: over the past year, it's that it's kind of turning
Speaker 1: into a game of craps to me, where it's like, Okay,
Speaker 1: well we know that this is what it's going to be,
Speaker 1: but every once in a while and someone's going to
Speaker 1: roll a seven and it's and you're gonna end up
Speaker 1: having a thing overturned or changed. But it doesn't. But
Speaker 1: I don't think that particular instance has any bearing on
Speaker 1: any other ones. So I guess I'm trying to say
Speaker 1: is my biggest issue is it seems like they're taking
Speaker 1: everything in isolated event as opposed to trying to have
Speaker 1: some sort of common thread among all of them. If
Speaker 1: I had any issue with it at this point. Well,
Speaker 1: the other one that I want to talk about before
Speaker 1: we go, it wasn't in the Packers game, but it
Speaker 1: was in the Bears Broncos game. And actually it was
Speaker 1: a couple of things on the Bears final drive, one
Speaker 1: being the roughing the passer call on Bradley Chubb which
Speaker 1: gave the Bears the initial fifteen yards of that drive
Speaker 1: where they end up kicking the game winning field goal,
Speaker 1: and then the leaving one second on the clock after
Speaker 1: the catch on fourth down, the Bears get the first down,
Speaker 1: but it looks like the clock has hit zero. The
Speaker 1: officials put a second back on saying that a time
Speaker 1: out was called in time and then the Broncos end
Speaker 1: up losing, the Broncos being the Packers next opponent here
Speaker 1: coming up at Lambeau Field. The Broncos end up losing
Speaker 1: on the last second field goal to go to oh
Speaker 1: and two, and the Bears are one on one. I'll
Speaker 1: be honest with you, West the roughing the passer one.
Speaker 1: And it's not just because of what happened with Clay
Speaker 1: Matthews last year, but that one bothers me more than
Speaker 1: the one second thing at the end, because because to me,
Speaker 1: you know, there's a whole bunch of bodies around there
Speaker 1: in the pocket. And they called Bradley chubbed for the
Speaker 1: whole Dodi Wait things supposedly that like how he landed
Speaker 1: on Trubisky when he took him down. I mean, I
Speaker 1: just you know, thirty seconds left in the fourth quarter,
Speaker 1: you can't call that. Daniel Hunter made a tremendous play
Speaker 1: in the game against Green Bay on his sack of
Speaker 1: Rogers where he went high on him and he landed
Speaker 1: with his full body weight on him. The only difference
Speaker 1: was Rodgers didn't get the ball out of his hands.
Speaker 1: If he did, I'm guessing there probably would have been
Speaker 1: a penalty in this instance. The reason I really didn't
Speaker 1: like this is because you know, to me, it looked
Speaker 1: like Chubb made a really good football play, and you
Speaker 1: have Trubisky, because Chubb's rush was behind him and not
Speaker 1: in front of him, is able to get the football
Speaker 1: out At what point? I always go back to this,
Speaker 1: and I don't mean to keep bringing this up, I
Speaker 1: think every single time we discuss it, But it's Mike
Speaker 1: Kevin Green. You can't control an accident. Rule. You have
Speaker 1: Bradley Chubb moving with so much inertia towards the target.
Speaker 1: Once the target throws the football, he can't stop himself
Speaker 1: in more, especially if he's trying to get that quarterback
Speaker 1: a strip, sack, whatever down to the ground. You can't
Speaker 1: control an accident. I just the one issue I've had
Speaker 1: with the way that this has been officiated over the
Speaker 1: last year emphasis or no emphasis is they just have
Speaker 1: not been able to find the difference between the black
Speaker 1: and the white. There's this gray area in there that
Speaker 1: they keep wanting to put towards one side or the other.
Speaker 1: It's not that way. Chubb's play was not a penalty,
Speaker 1: and I'm guessing when the NFL ends up announcing their
Speaker 1: fines later this week, he's not going to be fine
Speaker 1: for that for that play. So it's just it was
Speaker 1: really disheartening from that perspective. The time out was interesting
Speaker 1: to me because I wrote this an inbox and I
Speaker 1: don't know if you agree with him or not, but
Speaker 1: I guess the way that you should do it is
Speaker 1: if as soon as that ball leaves Mitchell Robinski's hands,
Speaker 1: to have somebody whether it's a coach or a player,
Speaker 1: immediately just signaling time out the entire time to make
Speaker 1: sure that you get the call. Um. It was a
Speaker 1: really it was a bang bang play. You know. The
Speaker 1: reason I say this is because I think the game's over,
Speaker 1: but because it's two thousand nineteen, you know, they gave
Speaker 1: him the opportunity. And hey, credit to Eddie Pinero. I mean,
Speaker 1: what a phenomenal catch or a phenomenal kick to to
Speaker 1: win that ballgame. I mean, the Bears did what they
Speaker 1: needed to do. It's just unfortunate that had happened the
Speaker 1: way it did for the Broncos. Yeah, I think one
Speaker 1: last thing on the roughing the pastor just to reiterate
Speaker 1: a little bit of what you said. I think there
Speaker 1: needs to be some distinction between a football play and
Speaker 1: egregious content. And that's what I was saying. They can't
Speaker 1: figure it out what the difference is. I mean, they've
Speaker 1: they've altered the stuff with the catch rule to include
Speaker 1: a football move. Maybe some of these other rules need
Speaker 1: to have a language of like a football play if
Speaker 1: it just looks like a football play. And the one
Speaker 1: thing I really wish officials would do in this particular,
Speaker 1: and since there's a lot of times where you've gotta
Speaker 1: get that flag in there right away and you gotta
Speaker 1: figure it out. But if a guy gets thrown out
Speaker 1: of the sidelines, if he goes, if he's whipped out
Speaker 1: of the sidelines, there's always like a pause for a
Speaker 1: second or two and then the flag comes out for
Speaker 1: whatever reason. Any time a quarterback is touched like that,
Speaker 1: that yellow flag is out there, it's it's it's take
Speaker 1: a breath for a second. The play is over. He's
Speaker 1: not any more danger. And just think about what you saw.
Speaker 1: See how the quarterback reacted to it. Is he in pain?
Speaker 1: Was it? Was it blatant? But no, I mean immediately
Speaker 1: the first thing, the reaction is get that handkerchief out
Speaker 1: on the field. That's unfortunate. YEA, one last thing, I
Speaker 1: know we have to go. Marv's bart going to be
Speaker 1: barking in my ear in a second here. But I
Speaker 1: was asked an insider inbox if a play like the
Speaker 1: Bradley Chubb play at the end of the fourth quarter
Speaker 1: that obviously influenced the outcome of a game, is that
Speaker 1: going to lead to those being subject to review like
Speaker 1: the past interference. My initial answer is no, because the
Speaker 1: only reason we are where we are with past interference
Speaker 1: is because it happened in the NFC Championship game and
Speaker 1: determined which team went to the Super Bowl. So I
Speaker 1: don't think we're to that point with roughing the pastor
Speaker 1: where it's going to start to fall under the replay rule.
Speaker 1: But if that's thirty seconds left in a playoff game,
Speaker 1: we're having a different discussion, I think absolutely. And the
Speaker 1: one thing I really wish they would do is actually
Speaker 1: get together as a group and talk about it and
Speaker 1: potentially pick up the flag. They did it with Ty
Speaker 1: Summers last weekend. He had that hit along the sidelines
Speaker 1: and they decided, you know what, he was running it
Speaker 1: wasn't a flag that he was tiptoeing trying to stay
Speaker 1: on bounds and and got laid out and got laid out. Fine,
Speaker 1: that's cool, let's pick up the flag. They need to
Speaker 1: start considering that more. Get your officials together, make a
Speaker 1: because there's three four guys looking at the backfield in
Speaker 1: that instance. I just think that it needs to be
Speaker 1: on the refs right now. But you know that if
Speaker 1: Chad Beebe had been a quarterback, they never would have
Speaker 1: picked up that flag. Absolutely not, absolutely not. That's you're
Speaker 1: exactly right. I mean, that would have been an entirely
Speaker 1: different situation. All right, Well, thanks for indulging me today
Speaker 1: in all of these all of these issues, but we
Speaker 1: do have to call it a wrap on this edition
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