1 00:00:00,880 --> 00:00:21,000 Speaker 1: Hi, everybody, Welcome to Packers Unscripted from Packers dot Com. 2 00:00:21,000 --> 00:00:24,439 Speaker 1: I am Mike Spofford, sitting next to my trusted colleague 3 00:00:24,480 --> 00:00:27,640 Speaker 1: West Hodcoits were coming to you here from our studios 4 00:00:27,680 --> 00:00:30,240 Speaker 1: at lambeau Field West. The Packers are too. And Oh, 5 00:00:30,520 --> 00:00:35,159 Speaker 1: as we sit here on Tuesday, two days after sixteen 6 00:00:35,240 --> 00:00:38,640 Speaker 1: victory over the Minnesota Vikings, some things yet to review 7 00:00:38,720 --> 00:00:41,720 Speaker 1: from that game, and as we promised on yesterday's show, 8 00:00:41,720 --> 00:00:44,839 Speaker 1: we have to get to some of these controversies. But 9 00:00:45,240 --> 00:00:47,360 Speaker 1: I want to start out with a couple of things 10 00:00:47,400 --> 00:00:51,720 Speaker 1: from Matt Lafleur's Monday afternoon press conference in which he 11 00:00:51,800 --> 00:00:54,920 Speaker 1: reviewed some of the key moments from the game, and 12 00:00:55,000 --> 00:00:57,640 Speaker 1: one of those being something we didn't really touch on, 13 00:00:57,720 --> 00:01:01,320 Speaker 1: and yesterday's show, which was that at first down that 14 00:01:01,440 --> 00:01:04,880 Speaker 1: sealed the game, the play action bootleg to the left 15 00:01:04,920 --> 00:01:08,320 Speaker 1: pass from Aaron Rodgers to Davante Adams. Now, these are 16 00:01:08,319 --> 00:01:13,200 Speaker 1: two obviously all pro Pro Bowl caliber players executing a 17 00:01:13,280 --> 00:01:16,600 Speaker 1: play in crunch time. But it's almost as though we 18 00:01:16,640 --> 00:01:20,520 Speaker 1: took for granted the how easy they made it look 19 00:01:20,760 --> 00:01:24,520 Speaker 1: on what was what Matt Lafleur explained, was an incredibly 20 00:01:24,520 --> 00:01:28,959 Speaker 1: difficult play to execute. Because of the pressure from Anthony Barr. 21 00:01:29,040 --> 00:01:32,199 Speaker 1: I believe it was who was right in uh, Aaron 22 00:01:32,280 --> 00:01:35,560 Speaker 1: Rodgers face, he's rolling to his leap. I just, uh, 23 00:01:35,840 --> 00:01:38,319 Speaker 1: you know, it was only a seven yard completion, but 24 00:01:38,400 --> 00:01:41,560 Speaker 1: it might have been from an execution standpoint, the most 25 00:01:41,560 --> 00:01:44,000 Speaker 1: impressive play of the game. And you take a chance, Mike, 26 00:01:44,160 --> 00:01:46,000 Speaker 1: and when you're in a four minute offense, you take 27 00:01:46,040 --> 00:01:48,680 Speaker 1: a chance every time you throw the football. I mean, 28 00:01:48,720 --> 00:01:51,040 Speaker 1: you want to be able to keep the clock running 29 00:01:51,200 --> 00:01:54,520 Speaker 1: no matter what's happening. And in that particular instance, I 30 00:01:54,560 --> 00:01:56,400 Speaker 1: just thought it was such a well done play in 31 00:01:56,440 --> 00:01:59,640 Speaker 1: that it was a high percentage throw, but yet what 32 00:01:59,800 --> 00:02:02,120 Speaker 1: he had to do to be able to get out 33 00:02:02,120 --> 00:02:04,920 Speaker 1: there and find his receiver, because I mean, how many 34 00:02:04,920 --> 00:02:06,320 Speaker 1: times do we see it? Actually, you could even go 35 00:02:06,360 --> 00:02:08,320 Speaker 1: back to the week before against Chicago where the Packers 36 00:02:08,360 --> 00:02:11,560 Speaker 1: I believe, tried to throw it to MVS ended up 37 00:02:11,639 --> 00:02:15,880 Speaker 1: falling down and completion clock stops. So for Rogers to 38 00:02:15,960 --> 00:02:18,600 Speaker 1: come back in, you know, have the kind of sequencing 39 00:02:18,639 --> 00:02:22,200 Speaker 1: that they did get the thirteen yard game from Aaron Jones. 40 00:02:22,560 --> 00:02:24,320 Speaker 1: You get them thinking more and more. You had the 41 00:02:24,360 --> 00:02:26,919 Speaker 1: four yard carry. Okay, now they're looking at the run 42 00:02:26,960 --> 00:02:29,040 Speaker 1: now they're cued into the run. They want to stop 43 00:02:29,040 --> 00:02:31,639 Speaker 1: the run. Well, then you pull the you know, the 44 00:02:31,720 --> 00:02:34,760 Speaker 1: rug from underneath them and and find Davante Adams. I 45 00:02:35,000 --> 00:02:37,239 Speaker 1: wrote about it in the game notes too. I mean, 46 00:02:37,600 --> 00:02:40,160 Speaker 1: Adams was so consistent in this game. Three of the 47 00:02:40,200 --> 00:02:43,679 Speaker 1: five third downs converted were courtesy of him. But then 48 00:02:43,960 --> 00:02:46,720 Speaker 1: to make that catch it was second and six. It 49 00:02:46,840 --> 00:02:49,960 Speaker 1: was only seven yards, but those are the type of 50 00:02:50,040 --> 00:02:51,880 Speaker 1: plays you have to make if you're going to close 51 00:02:51,880 --> 00:02:55,720 Speaker 1: out opponents, especially within the division. The Packers accomplished that, 52 00:02:55,919 --> 00:02:57,720 Speaker 1: and I give Matt Lafleur a lot of credit for 53 00:02:57,800 --> 00:03:01,919 Speaker 1: that call there too, because Eviosuly the conservative, the easy 54 00:03:01,960 --> 00:03:03,960 Speaker 1: thing to do is to just run the ball, just 55 00:03:04,040 --> 00:03:07,600 Speaker 1: try to get that next first down, make the Vikings 56 00:03:07,680 --> 00:03:10,520 Speaker 1: use their time outs all that, not risk the incomplete pass. 57 00:03:10,960 --> 00:03:13,239 Speaker 1: And he said, hey, I've got confidence in my guys 58 00:03:13,280 --> 00:03:15,799 Speaker 1: out there. I'm gonna be aggressive when I have confidence 59 00:03:15,840 --> 00:03:18,760 Speaker 1: in them. And yet he had confidence despite the fact 60 00:03:18,800 --> 00:03:21,280 Speaker 1: that until that final drive, the Packers had had only 61 00:03:21,320 --> 00:03:25,600 Speaker 1: four first downs in the second half, and when they 62 00:03:25,639 --> 00:03:28,520 Speaker 1: called for a pass play in a similar second down 63 00:03:28,600 --> 00:03:31,440 Speaker 1: situation late in the game in Chicago, it wasn't complete. 64 00:03:31,480 --> 00:03:33,960 Speaker 1: It stopped the clock. The Bears did have an extra 65 00:03:34,040 --> 00:03:36,440 Speaker 1: time out then when the Packers had to pump the 66 00:03:36,480 --> 00:03:39,040 Speaker 1: ball back to them when they couldn't close it out 67 00:03:39,120 --> 00:03:42,920 Speaker 1: on offense. So his confidence was there. He went, He 68 00:03:43,520 --> 00:03:46,240 Speaker 1: had the courage of his convictions that the play action 69 00:03:46,280 --> 00:03:48,640 Speaker 1: there was the right call and it got the Packers 70 00:03:48,640 --> 00:03:51,440 Speaker 1: of victory. Yeah, and it's also trusting your quarterback in 71 00:03:51,480 --> 00:03:53,840 Speaker 1: that instance too, to make sure that you get the 72 00:03:53,880 --> 00:03:55,800 Speaker 1: playoff and you have it play out the way you 73 00:03:55,840 --> 00:03:58,600 Speaker 1: wanted to, because that is that's a difficult front. It's 74 00:03:58,600 --> 00:04:00,840 Speaker 1: not like you're doing play action at inst a unit 75 00:04:00,920 --> 00:04:03,920 Speaker 1: that can't get home with, you know, a four man rush. 76 00:04:04,000 --> 00:04:05,720 Speaker 1: The Vikings very well can do that, and they have 77 00:04:05,760 --> 00:04:08,880 Speaker 1: a bunch of guys that played discipline and fundamentally sound football. 78 00:04:09,320 --> 00:04:12,640 Speaker 1: That's how they've consistently been among the NFL's best every year. 79 00:04:12,960 --> 00:04:16,599 Speaker 1: But Rogers made the correct play on it in Davante Adams, 80 00:04:16,640 --> 00:04:18,960 Speaker 1: to his credit, knew exactly where the sticks were to 81 00:04:19,000 --> 00:04:20,640 Speaker 1: be able to get the first down and keep that 82 00:04:20,720 --> 00:04:23,320 Speaker 1: drive moving. It's really interesting because how often do you 83 00:04:23,360 --> 00:04:24,839 Speaker 1: see it's not even just the NFL. You go to 84 00:04:24,880 --> 00:04:28,159 Speaker 1: college football, all these different levels teams that struggle to 85 00:04:28,200 --> 00:04:31,040 Speaker 1: execute the four minute offense, and you know, they end 86 00:04:31,080 --> 00:04:33,560 Speaker 1: up giving the opposition a chance to get the ball 87 00:04:33,600 --> 00:04:35,440 Speaker 1: back because the reality is, if you do have your 88 00:04:35,440 --> 00:04:38,560 Speaker 1: time alt's left, you know, you know, you can take 89 00:04:38,680 --> 00:04:41,279 Speaker 1: eight seconds off the clock if it doesn't go right. 90 00:04:41,480 --> 00:04:44,360 Speaker 1: So from that perspective, I just thought that it was 91 00:04:44,400 --> 00:04:47,320 Speaker 1: a perfect embodiment of what the Packers were good at 92 00:04:47,480 --> 00:04:50,839 Speaker 1: in that game, and that Aaron Jones was their workhorse, 93 00:04:51,040 --> 00:04:54,560 Speaker 1: bell cow back hundred sixteen rushing yards, Davante Adams at 94 00:04:54,560 --> 00:04:56,719 Speaker 1: the hundred and six receiving yards, and the twenty five 95 00:04:56,800 --> 00:05:00,440 Speaker 1: yard defensive pass reference penalty that he drew. That was 96 00:05:00,480 --> 00:05:02,800 Speaker 1: the go to, the one to punch for Aaron Rodgers 97 00:05:02,800 --> 00:05:04,760 Speaker 1: in that day. In that combination is what helped him 98 00:05:04,760 --> 00:05:07,080 Speaker 1: seal the victory. Yeah. Well, the other thing that I 99 00:05:07,240 --> 00:05:11,360 Speaker 1: thought was a really interesting nugget from La Fleur's press conferences. 100 00:05:11,400 --> 00:05:14,800 Speaker 1: He talked about the decision that he made after the 101 00:05:14,839 --> 00:05:18,680 Speaker 1: forty five yard touchdown pasted its Stefon Diggs for the Vikings. 102 00:05:18,760 --> 00:05:22,120 Speaker 1: It's twenty one to sixteen, but Diggs gets flagged for 103 00:05:22,200 --> 00:05:25,760 Speaker 1: unsportsmanlike conduct for removing his helmet on the field after 104 00:05:25,760 --> 00:05:28,600 Speaker 1: the touchdown. Catch, so it's a fifteen yard penalty personal 105 00:05:28,600 --> 00:05:32,919 Speaker 1: file packers have the choice of either applying that penalty 106 00:05:33,040 --> 00:05:36,599 Speaker 1: on the p A T or on the ensuing kickoff. Now, 107 00:05:36,720 --> 00:05:38,880 Speaker 1: nine times out of ten, you're going to take that 108 00:05:39,000 --> 00:05:41,400 Speaker 1: on the kickoff, make them kick off from the twenty 109 00:05:41,480 --> 00:05:43,520 Speaker 1: yard line, and you hope to get better field position 110 00:05:43,560 --> 00:05:47,480 Speaker 1: and your next possession. But Matt Lafleur saw that after 111 00:05:47,520 --> 00:05:50,560 Speaker 1: the touchdown, the Vikings were leaving their offensive personnel on 112 00:05:50,600 --> 00:05:53,160 Speaker 1: the field, and he's like, oh, they want to go 113 00:05:53,279 --> 00:05:56,320 Speaker 1: for two to get to one to eighteen, get within 114 00:05:56,440 --> 00:05:59,400 Speaker 1: three points. In my opinion, maybe a little early to 115 00:05:59,440 --> 00:06:01,920 Speaker 1: be playing, you know, those points scenario games, but it 116 00:06:01,960 --> 00:06:03,680 Speaker 1: was a low scoring game. It had turned into a 117 00:06:03,720 --> 00:06:05,640 Speaker 1: little bit of a defensive battle by that point, so 118 00:06:05,680 --> 00:06:09,120 Speaker 1: I can understand the strategy. But because he saw that 119 00:06:09,160 --> 00:06:12,520 Speaker 1: the Vikings were going to go for two, he elected 120 00:06:12,880 --> 00:06:16,919 Speaker 1: to enforce the penalty on the p A T. Which essentially, 121 00:06:16,960 --> 00:06:19,480 Speaker 1: then if the Vikings still wanted to go for two, 122 00:06:19,480 --> 00:06:21,520 Speaker 1: they'd have to run that play from the seventeen yard 123 00:06:21,560 --> 00:06:23,960 Speaker 1: line to get into the end zone. Instead, they just 124 00:06:24,040 --> 00:06:27,080 Speaker 1: took the fifteen yards from the fifteen back to the thirty, 125 00:06:27,120 --> 00:06:30,200 Speaker 1: made it a forty eight yard single extra point try 126 00:06:30,279 --> 00:06:33,800 Speaker 1: with the kick, which then the Packers blocked. But regardless, 127 00:06:33,800 --> 00:06:37,039 Speaker 1: even if the Packers don't block that, the decision to 128 00:06:37,120 --> 00:06:40,239 Speaker 1: take the penalty where he did it prevented the Vikings 129 00:06:40,240 --> 00:06:42,480 Speaker 1: from getting within a field goal even if they make 130 00:06:42,520 --> 00:06:44,920 Speaker 1: the extra Yeah. I thought it was an exceptional call 131 00:06:45,600 --> 00:06:47,640 Speaker 1: by Matt Lafleur in that instance. And the other thing 132 00:06:47,680 --> 00:06:49,120 Speaker 1: is too He's not going to say this, but I 133 00:06:49,160 --> 00:06:50,960 Speaker 1: will say it. I mean, Dan Bailey had missed from 134 00:06:50,960 --> 00:06:54,120 Speaker 1: forty seven yards earlier in that con Absolutely, yeah, you're 135 00:06:54,120 --> 00:06:58,159 Speaker 1: putting back a kicker that, while historically accurate, only made 136 00:06:58,920 --> 00:07:00,520 Speaker 1: of his kicks last year and already had missed one 137 00:07:00,520 --> 00:07:03,839 Speaker 1: in the ball game. So everything screamed that was the 138 00:07:03,960 --> 00:07:06,080 Speaker 1: right call. I also got to give credit to Mike 139 00:07:06,200 --> 00:07:08,760 Speaker 1: Zimmer too for potentially trying to get a little savvy 140 00:07:08,800 --> 00:07:11,680 Speaker 1: there and maybe going, you know, allowing his his offense 141 00:07:11,680 --> 00:07:14,120 Speaker 1: to try to get the two point conversion because they 142 00:07:14,200 --> 00:07:17,200 Speaker 1: just had the forty five yard touchdown. That could really 143 00:07:17,200 --> 00:07:19,720 Speaker 1: be a backbreaker for the Packers if you come go 144 00:07:19,760 --> 00:07:21,720 Speaker 1: back and you give up the forty five yard explosive 145 00:07:21,920 --> 00:07:25,720 Speaker 1: and then you give up the two yard two point conversion. Instead, 146 00:07:25,840 --> 00:07:28,080 Speaker 1: the momentum shifts back to Green Bay. I talked about 147 00:07:28,080 --> 00:07:30,320 Speaker 1: it on yesterday's show with my conversation with Tony Brown. 148 00:07:30,360 --> 00:07:34,360 Speaker 1: I mean, that was an opportunity for my Minnesota really 149 00:07:34,400 --> 00:07:37,600 Speaker 1: to just grab everything and just kind of get everything 150 00:07:37,640 --> 00:07:39,360 Speaker 1: moving in their way, you know, get the wind in 151 00:07:39,400 --> 00:07:41,920 Speaker 1: their sales. And then as it turned out, and the 152 00:07:41,920 --> 00:07:44,120 Speaker 1: packers kind of reduced the gusts a little bit and 153 00:07:44,520 --> 00:07:47,120 Speaker 1: we're able to you know, mount the final stop that 154 00:07:47,160 --> 00:07:49,840 Speaker 1: they needed to win that ball game. Well, certainly stefon 155 00:07:49,960 --> 00:07:53,680 Speaker 1: Dig's emotions leading up to that moment and his his 156 00:07:53,800 --> 00:07:57,240 Speaker 1: frustrations in essence leading up to that moment, because it 157 00:07:57,320 --> 00:07:59,200 Speaker 1: turned out that was the only past he caught on 158 00:07:59,240 --> 00:08:01,920 Speaker 1: the day, was the already five yard or for the touchdown. 159 00:08:02,120 --> 00:08:03,760 Speaker 1: It got the best of him there, and it did 160 00:08:03,800 --> 00:08:07,000 Speaker 1: cost the Vikings because that was that was a big penalty. 161 00:08:07,040 --> 00:08:08,640 Speaker 1: But that leads me to what I want to talk 162 00:08:08,680 --> 00:08:11,360 Speaker 1: about here as we get into some of these some 163 00:08:11,480 --> 00:08:14,200 Speaker 1: of these gray areas, controversial calls, whatever you want to 164 00:08:14,280 --> 00:08:16,640 Speaker 1: call them, And we'll start with what happened with Digs, 165 00:08:16,640 --> 00:08:19,320 Speaker 1: which is what I think um was part of his 166 00:08:19,440 --> 00:08:22,160 Speaker 1: frustration that had been building during the game the offensive 167 00:08:22,160 --> 00:08:26,440 Speaker 1: past interference upon replay review that took away his short 168 00:08:26,480 --> 00:08:31,800 Speaker 1: touchdown pass in the second quarter. Um first time, you know, 169 00:08:32,040 --> 00:08:33,679 Speaker 1: it only took a couple of weeks. You knew what 170 00:08:33,720 --> 00:08:36,280 Speaker 1: was going to happen. But the first time that the 171 00:08:36,320 --> 00:08:40,880 Speaker 1: new rule of past interference being subject to review ends 172 00:08:40,960 --> 00:08:45,679 Speaker 1: up taking away a touchdown because scoring plays are automatically reviewed, 173 00:08:45,760 --> 00:08:47,640 Speaker 1: so once somebody gets in the end zone, they look 174 00:08:47,679 --> 00:08:51,320 Speaker 1: at it. They're looking at everything, and they said in 175 00:08:51,320 --> 00:08:56,400 Speaker 1: in the review command center in New York that Dalvin 176 00:08:56,440 --> 00:09:00,959 Speaker 1: Cook was guilty of offensive past interference. Clear Darnelle Savage 177 00:09:01,000 --> 00:09:03,079 Speaker 1: out of the way as Stefon Diggs caught the little 178 00:09:03,080 --> 00:09:07,040 Speaker 1: pass on the crossing route. Vikings were not happy. I 179 00:09:07,040 --> 00:09:09,440 Speaker 1: wouldn't expect them to be happy. But when you look 180 00:09:09,440 --> 00:09:11,280 Speaker 1: at what happened on the film was I looked at 181 00:09:11,280 --> 00:09:13,600 Speaker 1: it pretty closely yesterday for the first time. I didn't 182 00:09:13,600 --> 00:09:16,160 Speaker 1: really see it all that closely on Sunday. But it's 183 00:09:16,160 --> 00:09:18,440 Speaker 1: a legitimate call. It sort of reminds me a little 184 00:09:18,480 --> 00:09:21,280 Speaker 1: bit about when you you know, like introduced an evasive 185 00:09:21,360 --> 00:09:24,400 Speaker 1: species to a climate. This wasn't the reason why the 186 00:09:24,520 --> 00:09:29,120 Speaker 1: NFL created this OPR review rule, but It's one of 187 00:09:29,160 --> 00:09:31,880 Speaker 1: the sort of the byproducts of it is now these 188 00:09:31,880 --> 00:09:34,120 Speaker 1: pick plays are going to be under greater scrutiny. It's 189 00:09:34,120 --> 00:09:37,760 Speaker 1: an inevitable consequence of changing a rule, changing such a 190 00:09:37,800 --> 00:09:40,520 Speaker 1: significant rule. Yeah, and I to be honest with you, 191 00:09:40,679 --> 00:09:42,800 Speaker 1: I kind of like it. And I understand there was 192 00:09:42,880 --> 00:09:44,640 Speaker 1: some pundits out there. I was watching some of the 193 00:09:44,640 --> 00:09:47,839 Speaker 1: shows that hated this. But the thing I like about 194 00:09:47,880 --> 00:09:50,360 Speaker 1: it is you could argue the pick play is the 195 00:09:50,400 --> 00:09:53,760 Speaker 1: most difficult thing to officiate in the National Football League. 196 00:09:53,800 --> 00:09:57,280 Speaker 1: I would agree with you. It is virtually impossible to 197 00:09:57,320 --> 00:09:59,840 Speaker 1: be able to keep your eyes, especially when offenses go 198 00:10:00,080 --> 00:10:02,679 Speaker 1: spread where you've got two receivers on each side and 199 00:10:02,679 --> 00:10:05,360 Speaker 1: they're doing their crossing patterns, and when an offense is 200 00:10:05,400 --> 00:10:08,240 Speaker 1: close to the goal line where where both sides of 201 00:10:08,240 --> 00:10:11,040 Speaker 1: the ball everything is compacted. There are so many bodies 202 00:10:11,080 --> 00:10:13,400 Speaker 1: and you know it's it's not you're not in the 203 00:10:13,400 --> 00:10:15,960 Speaker 1: middle of the field where it's already difficult to knowl Yeah. 204 00:10:16,040 --> 00:10:19,000 Speaker 1: So in in you know, these are become so commonplace 205 00:10:19,040 --> 00:10:22,560 Speaker 1: and in a bang, big environment, it's really been difficult 206 00:10:22,600 --> 00:10:25,800 Speaker 1: for officials to call those plays in real time. Tremont Williams, 207 00:10:25,800 --> 00:10:28,120 Speaker 1: I talked about this on yesterday show, but Tremont Williams 208 00:10:28,120 --> 00:10:31,440 Speaker 1: said afterwards, you know, historically that's been something that just 209 00:10:31,480 --> 00:10:33,960 Speaker 1: hasn't gotten called, and it's just been something where the 210 00:10:34,000 --> 00:10:36,120 Speaker 1: defenses kind of has to bear its teeth and just 211 00:10:36,160 --> 00:10:38,760 Speaker 1: move on because they know they're not going to get that. Well, 212 00:10:38,800 --> 00:10:40,440 Speaker 1: this was a shift a little bit, and to be 213 00:10:40,480 --> 00:10:43,920 Speaker 1: honest with you, I feel like this was There's been 214 00:10:43,960 --> 00:10:45,760 Speaker 1: a lot We're gonna talk about a lot of controversies 215 00:10:45,760 --> 00:10:47,760 Speaker 1: coming up here, but this is I think an actual 216 00:10:47,840 --> 00:10:50,360 Speaker 1: positive that's come out of this review is that now 217 00:10:50,400 --> 00:10:52,360 Speaker 1: it's allowing the eye in the sky to look at 218 00:10:52,400 --> 00:10:54,920 Speaker 1: these plays as opposed to these referees having to make 219 00:10:55,000 --> 00:10:58,360 Speaker 1: judgment calls in the instant a flick of a pass, 220 00:10:58,840 --> 00:11:01,840 Speaker 1: a moment in time, uh, quick bat of the eye 221 00:11:02,160 --> 00:11:05,040 Speaker 1: and you have to make a judgment call. I do 222 00:11:05,120 --> 00:11:07,720 Speaker 1: actually like potentially what this could do in terms of 223 00:11:07,760 --> 00:11:11,440 Speaker 1: making offenses reconsider, you know, running those type of plays, 224 00:11:11,520 --> 00:11:14,120 Speaker 1: and potentially the ramifications of it. Because the other thing 225 00:11:14,200 --> 00:11:17,520 Speaker 1: is too it backed up the Vikings ten yards and 226 00:11:17,559 --> 00:11:19,600 Speaker 1: they weren't able to get anywhere near that goal line 227 00:11:19,600 --> 00:11:22,240 Speaker 1: after that. Right, the call cost them four points because 228 00:11:22,240 --> 00:11:24,040 Speaker 1: they ended up kicking a field goal there at the 229 00:11:24,120 --> 00:11:26,280 Speaker 1: end towards the end of the first half, as opposed 230 00:11:26,280 --> 00:11:28,000 Speaker 1: to getting a touch on. I'm with you. I I 231 00:11:28,040 --> 00:11:33,480 Speaker 1: agree with everything you said, because they are extremely difficult 232 00:11:33,520 --> 00:11:36,760 Speaker 1: to officiate, and it's always it's felt for years to me, 233 00:11:36,840 --> 00:11:40,640 Speaker 1: whether I'm watching the Patriots and Tom Brady or even 234 00:11:40,720 --> 00:11:42,480 Speaker 1: some of the things the Packers have done over the 235 00:11:42,559 --> 00:11:46,960 Speaker 1: years with with Randall Cobb and and um James Jones 236 00:11:47,000 --> 00:11:50,000 Speaker 1: and guys like that, running those rub routes and pick 237 00:11:50,040 --> 00:11:52,320 Speaker 1: plays and stuff like that. It's just it's always felt 238 00:11:52,360 --> 00:11:55,319 Speaker 1: like it's so unfair to the defense, frankly. And yes, 239 00:11:55,360 --> 00:11:57,360 Speaker 1: there are rules. If it happens within one yard of 240 00:11:57,400 --> 00:12:01,000 Speaker 1: the line of scrimmage and whatnot, it's legal. But i mean, 241 00:12:01,040 --> 00:12:03,720 Speaker 1: come on, these these officials are having to, you know, 242 00:12:03,720 --> 00:12:07,040 Speaker 1: watch these world class athletes with the with these very 243 00:12:07,160 --> 00:12:12,400 Speaker 1: finite specific parameters on the rules. It's it's not easy. 244 00:12:12,440 --> 00:12:16,160 Speaker 1: And yeah, if if this review of past interference stuff 245 00:12:16,240 --> 00:12:19,040 Speaker 1: is going to UH is going to lead to some 246 00:12:19,200 --> 00:12:23,120 Speaker 1: offensive past interference calls being made and helping out defenses 247 00:12:23,160 --> 00:12:25,880 Speaker 1: in these tough spots, I have no problem with that. 248 00:12:25,920 --> 00:12:27,920 Speaker 1: The thing that was that's been interesting to me is 249 00:12:28,080 --> 00:12:30,560 Speaker 1: what I've heard from all of the pundits or whether 250 00:12:30,600 --> 00:12:33,800 Speaker 1: you're looking at the media in Minnesota, everything that's coming 251 00:12:33,840 --> 00:12:35,679 Speaker 1: out of there is like, well, this wasn't what the 252 00:12:35,760 --> 00:12:38,280 Speaker 1: rules intended to do to take touchdowns off the board. 253 00:12:38,480 --> 00:12:40,640 Speaker 1: But you have a look at it. It's a penalty, 254 00:12:40,720 --> 00:12:42,520 Speaker 1: So what the hell is? So what what? What's the 255 00:12:42,760 --> 00:12:45,640 Speaker 1: I don't see what the problem with it is when 256 00:12:46,280 --> 00:12:49,200 Speaker 1: you look at the film and it was clearly offensive 257 00:12:49,200 --> 00:12:51,280 Speaker 1: past interference by the letter of the law. And let's 258 00:12:51,280 --> 00:12:53,440 Speaker 1: be honest too, Mike, there's a science to this, right, 259 00:12:53,480 --> 00:12:55,240 Speaker 1: I mean, you look at offensive line play. You know, 260 00:12:55,280 --> 00:12:57,760 Speaker 1: Everson Griffin was making that kind of tongue in cheek 261 00:12:57,800 --> 00:13:00,600 Speaker 1: joke about how David box Terry holds a line. I 262 00:13:00,640 --> 00:13:03,240 Speaker 1: remember hearing, you know, certain defensive linemen say that about 263 00:13:03,280 --> 00:13:05,839 Speaker 1: Josh Sitton. But there is an art to it and 264 00:13:06,000 --> 00:13:08,320 Speaker 1: doing it well. There's gonna be pick plays that are 265 00:13:08,320 --> 00:13:10,480 Speaker 1: gonna be very much in the gray area this year 266 00:13:10,480 --> 00:13:12,880 Speaker 1: that they're gonna have to make tough calls on. This 267 00:13:13,000 --> 00:13:16,760 Speaker 1: wasn't one of them. Delvin Cook did not do it 268 00:13:16,880 --> 00:13:18,640 Speaker 1: the way you need to do it in order to 269 00:13:18,640 --> 00:13:22,480 Speaker 1: avoid the penalty. It was a penalty. Yea, so it 270 00:13:22,640 --> 00:13:26,319 Speaker 1: is what it is. But I certainly I think considering 271 00:13:26,360 --> 00:13:28,719 Speaker 1: that the place started with the head of fish, I 272 00:13:28,760 --> 00:13:30,480 Speaker 1: think that was who was it, John Hesse or whoever 273 00:13:30,480 --> 00:13:32,760 Speaker 1: it was, Yeah, John Hussey. I believe we ended up 274 00:13:32,760 --> 00:13:34,360 Speaker 1: coming out and say, well, why are we stopping the game? 275 00:13:34,920 --> 00:13:37,600 Speaker 1: Mike was on a little too long, stopping the game 276 00:13:37,640 --> 00:13:40,480 Speaker 1: because you guys just missed a penalty. Yeah, Well, a 277 00:13:40,520 --> 00:13:42,600 Speaker 1: couple others I want to talk about here. We can 278 00:13:42,600 --> 00:13:45,920 Speaker 1: talk about him in tandem. The Adam Theeland catch the 279 00:13:45,960 --> 00:13:49,239 Speaker 1: thirty yard or that got the Vikings out to midfield 280 00:13:49,480 --> 00:13:52,760 Speaker 1: in I believe it was the third quarter, and then 281 00:13:52,840 --> 00:13:55,200 Speaker 1: Kevin King's interception in the corner of the end zone 282 00:13:55,200 --> 00:13:57,600 Speaker 1: in the fourth quarter. Both of these were really interesting 283 00:13:57,679 --> 00:14:03,679 Speaker 1: calls to me because we've seen various adjustments and permutations 284 00:14:03,760 --> 00:14:06,400 Speaker 1: to the catch rule, the Calvin Johnson rule, whatever you 285 00:14:06,440 --> 00:14:09,000 Speaker 1: want to call it, over the last few years, and 286 00:14:09,120 --> 00:14:15,000 Speaker 1: quite frankly, I think the most recent adjustment to those 287 00:14:15,520 --> 00:14:19,040 Speaker 1: to that rule is what allowed both of these plays 288 00:14:19,080 --> 00:14:21,520 Speaker 1: to stand, because if you rewind the clock five or 289 00:14:21,560 --> 00:14:25,680 Speaker 1: six years, I think both of those are incomplete passes. 290 00:14:25,720 --> 00:14:28,840 Speaker 1: What do you think? So it's funny They're completely different 291 00:14:29,000 --> 00:14:30,960 Speaker 1: in there on completely different sides of the ball in 292 00:14:31,040 --> 00:14:33,400 Speaker 1: terms of who is catching the past, but I think 293 00:14:33,400 --> 00:14:36,640 Speaker 1: they're eerily similar. And why I say that is the 294 00:14:36,720 --> 00:14:38,760 Speaker 1: new rule whatever you want to say it is, and 295 00:14:38,800 --> 00:14:40,320 Speaker 1: you could read it off to me right now and 296 00:14:40,320 --> 00:14:42,160 Speaker 1: I would not be able to honestly tell you what 297 00:14:42,240 --> 00:14:45,360 Speaker 1: the difference is in terms of nuance from the past rule. 298 00:14:45,920 --> 00:14:47,840 Speaker 1: But the one thing that I've taken away from the 299 00:14:47,920 --> 00:14:53,359 Speaker 1: last year and change in this new environment is basically 300 00:14:53,360 --> 00:14:57,160 Speaker 1: the alteration to this rule is you're gonna need clear 301 00:14:57,240 --> 00:15:00,800 Speaker 1: evidence to overturn whatever the original old judgment is of 302 00:15:00,840 --> 00:15:04,760 Speaker 1: the officials. That is what holds the most water. Now, 303 00:15:04,880 --> 00:15:09,520 Speaker 1: whatever that first initial reaction to it is is going 304 00:15:09,560 --> 00:15:11,640 Speaker 1: to be the call, and it's gonna stand. It's why 305 00:15:11,840 --> 00:15:15,560 Speaker 1: in Theeland's instance, I had no doubt from the beginning 306 00:15:15,560 --> 00:15:17,280 Speaker 1: that that play was going to stand. I'm not saying 307 00:15:17,280 --> 00:15:18,880 Speaker 1: it was a catch or not a catch, I don't know, 308 00:15:19,360 --> 00:15:20,800 Speaker 1: but I had no doubt that they were going to 309 00:15:20,920 --> 00:15:23,440 Speaker 1: rule that a catch, just based on what we've seen 310 00:15:23,480 --> 00:15:25,880 Speaker 1: over the past year. The King one is, as I 311 00:15:25,920 --> 00:15:28,360 Speaker 1: was explaining to you yesterday, I actually was a little 312 00:15:28,360 --> 00:15:30,720 Speaker 1: bit more on board with it being a catch slash 313 00:15:30,800 --> 00:15:34,920 Speaker 1: interception because he did it all in one one motion 314 00:15:35,520 --> 00:15:38,200 Speaker 1: where it was conceivable although the ball came out, it 315 00:15:38,240 --> 00:15:40,480 Speaker 1: was conceivable that he caught it and let the ball 316 00:15:40,520 --> 00:15:43,240 Speaker 1: go and then continue to celebration, which is exactly what 317 00:15:43,280 --> 00:15:46,560 Speaker 1: Calvin Johnson did when this whole thing started and his 318 00:15:46,800 --> 00:15:49,960 Speaker 1: was ruled incomplete in the end zone at Soldier Field, 319 00:15:50,000 --> 00:15:52,760 Speaker 1: and that's what opened this Pandora's box and it's led 320 00:15:52,800 --> 00:15:57,360 Speaker 1: to essentially a decade's worth of machinations over the rule 321 00:15:57,360 --> 00:15:59,360 Speaker 1: and everything like that. I agree with you. I think 322 00:15:59,400 --> 00:16:02,480 Speaker 1: what Kevin did was all in one motion and it 323 00:16:02,520 --> 00:16:06,680 Speaker 1: was very, very similar to the original Calvin Johnson play 324 00:16:06,720 --> 00:16:09,240 Speaker 1: that was ruled incomplete. The one benefit that King had 325 00:16:09,320 --> 00:16:11,200 Speaker 1: is there was a lot of bodies around where the 326 00:16:11,240 --> 00:16:13,640 Speaker 1: Calvin Johnson won. It was just so much isolated on 327 00:16:13,760 --> 00:16:16,200 Speaker 1: him at that exact moment because well he was Kelvin 328 00:16:16,280 --> 00:16:19,160 Speaker 1: Johnson and basically beat everybody to the end zone. But 329 00:16:19,880 --> 00:16:22,720 Speaker 1: you know, the thing is, again, as I just sort 330 00:16:22,760 --> 00:16:26,480 Speaker 1: of illustrated alluded to when you had the Dez Bryant play, 331 00:16:26,520 --> 00:16:28,600 Speaker 1: it just always seemed to be during that era of 332 00:16:28,640 --> 00:16:31,880 Speaker 1: this call, it was always okay the officials are looking 333 00:16:31,920 --> 00:16:33,800 Speaker 1: at these plays and they are just trying to find 334 00:16:33,840 --> 00:16:37,200 Speaker 1: anything to overturn it as it now. It's looking at 335 00:16:37,240 --> 00:16:39,560 Speaker 1: it and being like, Okay, we need to see something 336 00:16:40,080 --> 00:16:43,080 Speaker 1: that makes us overturn it. I just think that that's 337 00:16:43,160 --> 00:16:46,880 Speaker 1: the it's just the perspective that's changed, and it's allowed 338 00:16:46,880 --> 00:16:50,480 Speaker 1: more of these plays to go there insummation. There are 339 00:16:50,520 --> 00:16:52,400 Speaker 1: plays last year I can think of that I had 340 00:16:52,440 --> 00:16:55,640 Speaker 1: more of an issue with standing than either one of 341 00:16:55,640 --> 00:16:57,960 Speaker 1: those two. I would agree with you. My my initiative 342 00:16:58,400 --> 00:17:01,040 Speaker 1: Washington last year I thought was agreed. I can't remember. Yeah, 343 00:17:01,040 --> 00:17:03,480 Speaker 1: My initial reaction on the feeling one is just that 344 00:17:03,600 --> 00:17:07,439 Speaker 1: because the whole time it seemed that that he was 345 00:17:07,560 --> 00:17:11,320 Speaker 1: juggling the ball, and then just before he hit the 346 00:17:11,359 --> 00:17:15,680 Speaker 1: ground it seemed that, yes, then he the ball was secure, 347 00:17:15,800 --> 00:17:17,520 Speaker 1: and then you saw the nose of the ball hit 348 00:17:17,560 --> 00:17:20,119 Speaker 1: the ground as he fell, and to me, like you 349 00:17:20,160 --> 00:17:22,240 Speaker 1: slow that down frame by frame, it's like, yeah, it 350 00:17:22,280 --> 00:17:24,480 Speaker 1: looks like he has it, But when you look at 351 00:17:24,520 --> 00:17:27,119 Speaker 1: how much he was juggling it along the way, and 352 00:17:27,160 --> 00:17:29,439 Speaker 1: then you're going to you're going to say that in 353 00:17:29,880 --> 00:17:33,199 Speaker 1: really what amounts to maybe fifteen hundreds of a second, 354 00:17:33,400 --> 00:17:36,200 Speaker 1: he had that before. The nose of the ball touched 355 00:17:36,320 --> 00:17:39,800 Speaker 1: clearly touched the ground. To me, like the you know, 356 00:17:39,880 --> 00:17:42,000 Speaker 1: the you know, the fifty guys in a bar rule, 357 00:17:42,119 --> 00:17:44,240 Speaker 1: so to speak. If I'm one of those fifty guys 358 00:17:44,240 --> 00:17:46,439 Speaker 1: in a bar, I'm saying the ground helped him catch it. 359 00:17:46,600 --> 00:17:49,439 Speaker 1: Even though the ball didn't move. It felt to me 360 00:17:49,560 --> 00:17:52,080 Speaker 1: like the ball helped him. The ground helped him catch 361 00:17:52,119 --> 00:17:54,520 Speaker 1: the ball. Obviously, the way the rule is written now, 362 00:17:54,600 --> 00:17:59,560 Speaker 1: as you said, they're they're looking for something clear and 363 00:18:00,200 --> 00:18:02,960 Speaker 1: is to change a catch if it's been ruled a 364 00:18:03,040 --> 00:18:05,240 Speaker 1: catch on the field. And in both of those instances 365 00:18:05,240 --> 00:18:07,720 Speaker 1: that we're talking about, they were ruled a catch and 366 00:18:07,800 --> 00:18:11,040 Speaker 1: an interception and they didn't see they didn't see anything 367 00:18:11,119 --> 00:18:13,720 Speaker 1: that was like, you know, oh my gosh, no, that 368 00:18:14,040 --> 00:18:16,080 Speaker 1: wasn't correct, So we're going to change it. Yeah, for 369 00:18:16,119 --> 00:18:18,159 Speaker 1: whatever you know they made of this whole thing of 370 00:18:18,200 --> 00:18:20,360 Speaker 1: New York reviewing these things, the weight of the call 371 00:18:20,480 --> 00:18:23,040 Speaker 1: still seems to be on the original official The one 372 00:18:23,119 --> 00:18:25,480 Speaker 1: thing I will say that if I have any issue 373 00:18:25,480 --> 00:18:27,639 Speaker 1: with the way that this has been ruled or officiated 374 00:18:27,680 --> 00:18:30,280 Speaker 1: over the past year, it's that it's kind of turning 375 00:18:30,280 --> 00:18:32,919 Speaker 1: into a game of craps to me, where it's like, Okay, 376 00:18:32,920 --> 00:18:35,040 Speaker 1: well we know that this is what it's going to be, 377 00:18:35,320 --> 00:18:37,119 Speaker 1: but every once in a while and someone's going to 378 00:18:37,240 --> 00:18:39,560 Speaker 1: roll a seven and it's and you're gonna end up 379 00:18:39,600 --> 00:18:42,280 Speaker 1: having a thing overturned or changed. But it doesn't. But 380 00:18:42,320 --> 00:18:46,280 Speaker 1: I don't think that particular instance has any bearing on 381 00:18:46,320 --> 00:18:48,160 Speaker 1: any other ones. So I guess I'm trying to say 382 00:18:48,240 --> 00:18:50,000 Speaker 1: is my biggest issue is it seems like they're taking 383 00:18:50,040 --> 00:18:54,000 Speaker 1: everything in isolated event as opposed to trying to have 384 00:18:54,400 --> 00:18:57,480 Speaker 1: some sort of common thread among all of them. If 385 00:18:57,520 --> 00:18:59,560 Speaker 1: I had any issue with it at this point. Well, 386 00:18:59,600 --> 00:19:01,879 Speaker 1: the other one that I want to talk about before 387 00:19:01,920 --> 00:19:03,960 Speaker 1: we go, it wasn't in the Packers game, but it 388 00:19:04,040 --> 00:19:06,359 Speaker 1: was in the Bears Broncos game. And actually it was 389 00:19:06,400 --> 00:19:09,240 Speaker 1: a couple of things on the Bears final drive, one 390 00:19:09,320 --> 00:19:12,440 Speaker 1: being the roughing the passer call on Bradley Chubb which 391 00:19:12,720 --> 00:19:16,040 Speaker 1: gave the Bears the initial fifteen yards of that drive 392 00:19:16,080 --> 00:19:18,080 Speaker 1: where they end up kicking the game winning field goal, 393 00:19:18,440 --> 00:19:21,280 Speaker 1: and then the leaving one second on the clock after 394 00:19:21,320 --> 00:19:24,000 Speaker 1: the catch on fourth down, the Bears get the first down, 395 00:19:24,040 --> 00:19:27,399 Speaker 1: but it looks like the clock has hit zero. The 396 00:19:27,440 --> 00:19:30,119 Speaker 1: officials put a second back on saying that a time 397 00:19:30,119 --> 00:19:32,520 Speaker 1: out was called in time and then the Broncos end 398 00:19:32,600 --> 00:19:35,280 Speaker 1: up losing, the Broncos being the Packers next opponent here 399 00:19:35,760 --> 00:19:38,160 Speaker 1: coming up at Lambeau Field. The Broncos end up losing 400 00:19:38,160 --> 00:19:39,879 Speaker 1: on the last second field goal to go to oh 401 00:19:39,960 --> 00:19:42,360 Speaker 1: and two, and the Bears are one on one. I'll 402 00:19:42,359 --> 00:19:44,520 Speaker 1: be honest with you, West the roughing the passer one. 403 00:19:44,760 --> 00:19:46,600 Speaker 1: And it's not just because of what happened with Clay 404 00:19:46,680 --> 00:19:49,800 Speaker 1: Matthews last year, but that one bothers me more than 405 00:19:49,840 --> 00:19:53,199 Speaker 1: the one second thing at the end, because because to me, 406 00:19:53,960 --> 00:19:56,280 Speaker 1: you know, there's a whole bunch of bodies around there 407 00:19:56,280 --> 00:19:59,399 Speaker 1: in the pocket. And they called Bradley chubbed for the 408 00:19:59,440 --> 00:20:02,840 Speaker 1: whole Dodi Wait things supposedly that like how he landed 409 00:20:03,160 --> 00:20:07,159 Speaker 1: on Trubisky when he took him down. I mean, I 410 00:20:07,280 --> 00:20:09,639 Speaker 1: just you know, thirty seconds left in the fourth quarter, 411 00:20:09,720 --> 00:20:13,000 Speaker 1: you can't call that. Daniel Hunter made a tremendous play 412 00:20:13,040 --> 00:20:15,240 Speaker 1: in the game against Green Bay on his sack of 413 00:20:15,400 --> 00:20:17,600 Speaker 1: Rogers where he went high on him and he landed 414 00:20:17,600 --> 00:20:20,040 Speaker 1: with his full body weight on him. The only difference 415 00:20:20,040 --> 00:20:21,760 Speaker 1: was Rodgers didn't get the ball out of his hands. 416 00:20:21,840 --> 00:20:23,919 Speaker 1: If he did, I'm guessing there probably would have been 417 00:20:23,920 --> 00:20:27,359 Speaker 1: a penalty in this instance. The reason I really didn't 418 00:20:27,359 --> 00:20:30,639 Speaker 1: like this is because you know, to me, it looked 419 00:20:30,640 --> 00:20:33,879 Speaker 1: like Chubb made a really good football play, and you 420 00:20:33,920 --> 00:20:37,600 Speaker 1: have Trubisky, because Chubb's rush was behind him and not 421 00:20:37,680 --> 00:20:39,800 Speaker 1: in front of him, is able to get the football 422 00:20:39,840 --> 00:20:42,679 Speaker 1: out At what point? I always go back to this, 423 00:20:42,920 --> 00:20:45,199 Speaker 1: and I don't mean to keep bringing this up, I 424 00:20:45,200 --> 00:20:47,160 Speaker 1: think every single time we discuss it, But it's Mike 425 00:20:47,240 --> 00:20:51,200 Speaker 1: Kevin Green. You can't control an accident. Rule. You have 426 00:20:51,600 --> 00:20:54,880 Speaker 1: Bradley Chubb moving with so much inertia towards the target. 427 00:20:55,520 --> 00:20:59,800 Speaker 1: Once the target throws the football, he can't stop himself 428 00:20:59,840 --> 00:21:02,840 Speaker 1: in more, especially if he's trying to get that quarterback 429 00:21:02,880 --> 00:21:05,879 Speaker 1: a strip, sack, whatever down to the ground. You can't 430 00:21:05,880 --> 00:21:09,120 Speaker 1: control an accident. I just the one issue I've had 431 00:21:09,160 --> 00:21:10,840 Speaker 1: with the way that this has been officiated over the 432 00:21:10,920 --> 00:21:14,920 Speaker 1: last year emphasis or no emphasis is they just have 433 00:21:15,000 --> 00:21:18,040 Speaker 1: not been able to find the difference between the black 434 00:21:18,160 --> 00:21:20,600 Speaker 1: and the white. There's this gray area in there that 435 00:21:20,640 --> 00:21:23,400 Speaker 1: they keep wanting to put towards one side or the other. 436 00:21:23,960 --> 00:21:27,560 Speaker 1: It's not that way. Chubb's play was not a penalty, 437 00:21:27,600 --> 00:21:29,920 Speaker 1: and I'm guessing when the NFL ends up announcing their 438 00:21:29,920 --> 00:21:32,399 Speaker 1: fines later this week, he's not going to be fine 439 00:21:32,480 --> 00:21:35,720 Speaker 1: for that for that play. So it's just it was 440 00:21:35,760 --> 00:21:39,360 Speaker 1: really disheartening from that perspective. The time out was interesting 441 00:21:39,359 --> 00:21:40,920 Speaker 1: to me because I wrote this an inbox and I 442 00:21:40,920 --> 00:21:42,439 Speaker 1: don't know if you agree with him or not, but 443 00:21:43,160 --> 00:21:45,080 Speaker 1: I guess the way that you should do it is 444 00:21:45,119 --> 00:21:47,760 Speaker 1: if as soon as that ball leaves Mitchell Robinski's hands, 445 00:21:48,000 --> 00:21:50,200 Speaker 1: to have somebody whether it's a coach or a player, 446 00:21:50,280 --> 00:21:54,120 Speaker 1: immediately just signaling time out the entire time to make 447 00:21:54,119 --> 00:21:57,040 Speaker 1: sure that you get the call. Um. It was a 448 00:21:57,080 --> 00:21:59,679 Speaker 1: really it was a bang bang play. You know. The 449 00:21:59,720 --> 00:22:03,200 Speaker 1: reason I say this is because I think the game's over, 450 00:22:03,760 --> 00:22:07,040 Speaker 1: but because it's two thousand nineteen, you know, they gave 451 00:22:07,119 --> 00:22:10,200 Speaker 1: him the opportunity. And hey, credit to Eddie Pinero. I mean, 452 00:22:10,240 --> 00:22:13,720 Speaker 1: what a phenomenal catch or a phenomenal kick to to 453 00:22:13,800 --> 00:22:15,760 Speaker 1: win that ballgame. I mean, the Bears did what they 454 00:22:15,760 --> 00:22:18,000 Speaker 1: needed to do. It's just unfortunate that had happened the 455 00:22:18,000 --> 00:22:19,719 Speaker 1: way it did for the Broncos. Yeah, I think one 456 00:22:19,800 --> 00:22:22,240 Speaker 1: last thing on the roughing the pastor just to reiterate 457 00:22:22,280 --> 00:22:24,080 Speaker 1: a little bit of what you said. I think there 458 00:22:24,080 --> 00:22:28,040 Speaker 1: needs to be some distinction between a football play and 459 00:22:28,240 --> 00:22:31,680 Speaker 1: egregious content. And that's what I was saying. They can't 460 00:22:31,720 --> 00:22:33,840 Speaker 1: figure it out what the difference is. I mean, they've 461 00:22:33,880 --> 00:22:36,439 Speaker 1: they've altered the stuff with the catch rule to include 462 00:22:36,440 --> 00:22:39,520 Speaker 1: a football move. Maybe some of these other rules need 463 00:22:39,600 --> 00:22:41,919 Speaker 1: to have a language of like a football play if 464 00:22:41,960 --> 00:22:45,680 Speaker 1: it just looks like a football play. And the one 465 00:22:45,720 --> 00:22:48,480 Speaker 1: thing I really wish officials would do in this particular, 466 00:22:48,480 --> 00:22:49,800 Speaker 1: and since there's a lot of times where you've gotta 467 00:22:49,800 --> 00:22:51,280 Speaker 1: get that flag in there right away and you gotta 468 00:22:51,280 --> 00:22:53,400 Speaker 1: figure it out. But if a guy gets thrown out 469 00:22:53,400 --> 00:22:55,280 Speaker 1: of the sidelines, if he goes, if he's whipped out 470 00:22:55,320 --> 00:22:57,800 Speaker 1: of the sidelines, there's always like a pause for a 471 00:22:57,840 --> 00:23:00,520 Speaker 1: second or two and then the flag comes out for 472 00:23:00,600 --> 00:23:03,879 Speaker 1: whatever reason. Any time a quarterback is touched like that, 473 00:23:03,880 --> 00:23:06,840 Speaker 1: that yellow flag is out there, it's it's it's take 474 00:23:06,880 --> 00:23:09,680 Speaker 1: a breath for a second. The play is over. He's 475 00:23:09,720 --> 00:23:12,360 Speaker 1: not any more danger. And just think about what you saw. 476 00:23:12,440 --> 00:23:15,000 Speaker 1: See how the quarterback reacted to it. Is he in pain? 477 00:23:15,560 --> 00:23:18,680 Speaker 1: Was it? Was it blatant? But no, I mean immediately 478 00:23:18,720 --> 00:23:21,360 Speaker 1: the first thing, the reaction is get that handkerchief out 479 00:23:21,359 --> 00:23:24,280 Speaker 1: on the field. That's unfortunate. YEA, one last thing, I 480 00:23:24,320 --> 00:23:26,320 Speaker 1: know we have to go. Marv's bart going to be 481 00:23:26,359 --> 00:23:28,399 Speaker 1: barking in my ear in a second here. But I 482 00:23:28,480 --> 00:23:30,600 Speaker 1: was asked an insider inbox if a play like the 483 00:23:30,600 --> 00:23:33,040 Speaker 1: Bradley Chubb play at the end of the fourth quarter 484 00:23:33,200 --> 00:23:36,280 Speaker 1: that obviously influenced the outcome of a game, is that 485 00:23:36,320 --> 00:23:39,520 Speaker 1: going to lead to those being subject to review like 486 00:23:39,600 --> 00:23:43,520 Speaker 1: the past interference. My initial answer is no, because the 487 00:23:43,560 --> 00:23:46,399 Speaker 1: only reason we are where we are with past interference 488 00:23:46,440 --> 00:23:49,560 Speaker 1: is because it happened in the NFC Championship game and 489 00:23:49,640 --> 00:23:52,399 Speaker 1: determined which team went to the Super Bowl. So I 490 00:23:52,440 --> 00:23:54,679 Speaker 1: don't think we're to that point with roughing the pastor 491 00:23:54,680 --> 00:23:56,920 Speaker 1: where it's going to start to fall under the replay rule. 492 00:23:57,320 --> 00:24:00,280 Speaker 1: But if that's thirty seconds left in a playoff game, 493 00:24:00,440 --> 00:24:03,199 Speaker 1: we're having a different discussion, I think absolutely. And the 494 00:24:03,280 --> 00:24:05,960 Speaker 1: one thing I really wish they would do is actually 495 00:24:05,960 --> 00:24:08,520 Speaker 1: get together as a group and talk about it and 496 00:24:08,560 --> 00:24:11,680 Speaker 1: potentially pick up the flag. They did it with Ty 497 00:24:11,800 --> 00:24:14,720 Speaker 1: Summers last weekend. He had that hit along the sidelines 498 00:24:14,720 --> 00:24:17,239 Speaker 1: and they decided, you know what, he was running it 499 00:24:17,359 --> 00:24:19,760 Speaker 1: wasn't a flag that he was tiptoeing trying to stay 500 00:24:19,800 --> 00:24:23,080 Speaker 1: on bounds and and got laid out and got laid out. Fine, 501 00:24:23,320 --> 00:24:25,919 Speaker 1: that's cool, let's pick up the flag. They need to 502 00:24:25,920 --> 00:24:29,320 Speaker 1: start considering that more. Get your officials together, make a 503 00:24:29,640 --> 00:24:32,280 Speaker 1: because there's three four guys looking at the backfield in 504 00:24:32,280 --> 00:24:35,199 Speaker 1: that instance. I just think that it needs to be 505 00:24:35,240 --> 00:24:37,159 Speaker 1: on the refs right now. But you know that if 506 00:24:37,280 --> 00:24:39,399 Speaker 1: Chad Beebe had been a quarterback, they never would have 507 00:24:39,440 --> 00:24:42,840 Speaker 1: picked up that flag. Absolutely not, absolutely not. That's you're 508 00:24:42,880 --> 00:24:45,280 Speaker 1: exactly right. I mean, that would have been an entirely 509 00:24:45,320 --> 00:24:48,159 Speaker 1: different situation. All right, Well, thanks for indulging me today 510 00:24:48,480 --> 00:24:50,639 Speaker 1: in all of these all of these issues, but we 511 00:24:50,680 --> 00:24:52,439 Speaker 1: do have to call it a wrap on this edition 512 00:24:52,760 --> 00:24:55,840 Speaker 1: of Packers Unscripted. Be sure to follow all of our 513 00:24:55,840 --> 00:24:59,199 Speaker 1: coverage of the team on Packers dot com, Subscribed to us, 514 00:24:59,280 --> 00:25:03,399 Speaker 1: like us on iTunes and other podcast services if you please. 515 00:25:03,640 --> 00:25:06,120 Speaker 1: On Twitter, He's at west Hot I'm at Mike Spofford 516 00:25:06,119 --> 00:25:08,920 Speaker 1: at Packers for the team account. 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