Speaker 1: Of course, Love Supreme is a production of iHeartRadio. This
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Speaker 2: What Up, QLs fam, It's like yam and This QLs
Speaker 2: classic takes us back to a time when the whole
Speaker 2: crew went to Los Angeles did a few interviews.
Speaker 3: Oh, but this one right here is special. I'm talking
Speaker 3: about Joy.
Speaker 2: Yes, I'm taking you back to February fourteenth, twenty eighteen,
Speaker 2: where we sat down with Joy, singer, songwriter, producer. She
Speaker 2: talks about her debut album, how a Change, the direction
Speaker 2: of Madonna's Bedtime Stories, working with Fishbone and her spart
Speaker 2: in the Dungeon Family Treat, and so much more.
Speaker 3: Check this out.
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Speaker 1: Suprema Suck Supreme. I just got me feeling pressure. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm going insane. Yeah, No Joy, Frankie Beverly reference, Yeah, Sunshine.
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Speaker 5: Quants in the building. Yeah, y'all know what I'm about. Yeah,
Speaker 5: I made a record with Joy.
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Speaker 1: My name is Sugar Boy. I'm your boy boy. I
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I'm a little nervous. Yeah, motherfucking joy my
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Speaker 3: Sometimes they call me kitty yeah. Sometimes they call me
Speaker 3: pussy yeah. Sometimes they call me sugar Yeah. But today
Speaker 3: I'm gonna be.
Speaker 8: Joy Supremo, roll call, Supremo, Suppremeo, Role, Suprema something something Suppreme.
Speaker 3: My roll call.
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Speaker 3: Free Styllar.
Speaker 1: I'm a little rusty on that.
Speaker 3: I'm awful.
Speaker 1: Yeah. You can tell it's been a minute.
Speaker 3: Black Dog. Everybody looking bad?
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. Yeah, Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to another episode
Speaker 1: of Quest Love Supreme. Uh, Quest Love and the House
Speaker 1: We got Teams Supreme. Hello, people going, man, I was
Speaker 1: about say have a New York I was like, no,
Speaker 1: that's totally wrong. I don't know, you know it's gonna air,
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Speaker 5: Yeah, history monk, we have to say black history mon
Speaker 5: something I think maybe I don't know what might be
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Speaker 1: And yeah, we we have to mention that we are
Speaker 1: broadcasting line from the illustrious uh Westlake Audio Recording Studios.
Speaker 1: Uh house. That the house that Michael Jaxon thriller money
Speaker 1: built this house. Yeah, we're actually if you if you've
Speaker 1: seen the Michael Jackson UH Bad twenty five documentary, we
Speaker 1: are literally in the spot where like him and.
Speaker 2: Stevie and Gary, they said that's where he wrote the
Speaker 2: piano was where Yeah.
Speaker 1: The piano, the girl's mind pianos behind us. I believe
Speaker 1: that Bruce would Dean built this. This uh kind of
Speaker 1: looks like a pyramid esque looking.
Speaker 8: Uh uh.
Speaker 1: You call what we're just you're engineers. It's a stage. Yeah, okay, well,
Speaker 1: I mean you gotta come up more colorful. It's a
Speaker 1: nice stage. That's it's sort of like a booth, but
Speaker 1: sort of. It's very unusual. Anyway, watch the Bad twenty
Speaker 1: five Incredible stage one of the best stages of h
Speaker 1: but it's kind of cool to be here because even
Speaker 1: well bad was recorded here. Young other things in the
Speaker 1: uh the Atlantis, Moore said, helm jagged little pill. Wow,
Speaker 1: what's done here? I'm I'm sure millions of a million
Speaker 1: of things. We have a special guest with us today.
Speaker 1: I will say that I could probably name three people
Speaker 1: in history that kind of face the the the burden
Speaker 1: of being way before their time from you know, Shuggio
Speaker 1: is just one of those people. Betty Davis is definitely
Speaker 1: one of those people. And I feel as though our
Speaker 1: guest today is definitely so ahead of her time because
Speaker 1: everything that she's ever done, other people have graciously walked
Speaker 1: through joint well I mean, you know, I mean unfortunately
Speaker 1: in life, some people have to pave the red carpet
Speaker 1: or part to see for other people to walk through
Speaker 1: effortlessly and sometimes never get the credit for it. Exactly.
Speaker 5: Somebody got inspired those bedtime stories exactly, so the greatest
Speaker 5: machete carry of all time.
Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen, please welcome to the show. Jorge Gilly.
Speaker 3: Good to be here with you.
Speaker 1: I'm really glad you're here. You know, we we've been
Speaker 1: for a long time, crossing paths and touring with each other.
Speaker 1: But this, this is the conversation I've been dying to
Speaker 1: have with you forever, because you know, I have so
Speaker 1: many questions about your the path and the trail that
Speaker 1: you blazed and and the after effects of it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, let's talk about it.
Speaker 1: Let's talk about I feel there's a.
Speaker 9: Police right, that's one of my favorite So where where?
Speaker 1: For our listeners that don't know where? Where are you?
Speaker 1: Where were you born? Where are you from?
Speaker 3: I was born in Nashville, Tennessee.
Speaker 1: Hey, Nashville, that is where it? Because I thought you
Speaker 1: were born. And I'm the king of assuming that our
Speaker 1: guests are born in certain places. But you're not born
Speaker 1: in Atlanta.
Speaker 3: Where did you think I was born?
Speaker 1: I thought you were born in Atlanta?
Speaker 3: Did you That's not a hard That's not bad though,
Speaker 3: a lot of people think because I spent so much
Speaker 3: time there.
Speaker 1: I guess Tennessee kitty, every Tennessee.
Speaker 3: You know. I was always Tennessee slim, all right? So
Speaker 3: you you wrapped yourself, wrapped myself, but I wrapped you
Speaker 3: know a time down also were born and raised that tense.
Speaker 1: You're born there? Okay? So what was what was your
Speaker 1: childhood music environment?
Speaker 3: Like well, I uh, I had a pretty intensive love
Speaker 3: affair with music early on. My mama had album she
Speaker 3: had a friend and worked at a as a DJ
Speaker 3: or something. My mom had a bunch of hustles when
Speaker 3: I was growing up to uh that made me feel
Speaker 3: like we were rich, even though we weren't. Hindsight looking back,
Speaker 3: we were absolutely not rich. But my mom worked hard,
Speaker 3: and I UH felt I had you know, things at
Speaker 3: my at my access. And so my mom uh had
Speaker 3: a DJ friend and had a bunch of albums and stuff,
Speaker 3: and I would go through those albums and listen to 'em.
Speaker 3: And when I was really really little and my parents
Speaker 3: were still together, Daddy listened to a lot of Johnny
Speaker 3: guitar watching and yes, and my daddy played UH pro
Speaker 3: a while when I was little. So we had a
Speaker 3: little w W you know, young your father was on
Speaker 3: the stillness right, he was, oh he's quarterbackfather too. W
Speaker 3: And my granddaddy was a very uh well respected uh
Speaker 3: college football coach. He was he's in there in the
Speaker 3: Hall of fame.
Speaker 1: Actually, when you were young, did you know that your
Speaker 1: dad was, did you know who he was?
Speaker 3: Like?
Speaker 1: Did you know y'all kind of had it good.
Speaker 3: Well, we had it good as you know, that's relative relative.
Speaker 3: I recognize. I knew that he was talented. I knew
Speaker 3: that people uh respected him a lot. I knew that
Speaker 3: he had done some great things.
Speaker 1: So he grew up in a football environment.
Speaker 3: I grew up in a football a heavy football environment, so.
Speaker 1: Like weekends were like holidays.
Speaker 3: And but my family is very woman heavy also. But
Speaker 3: the men in my family, a lot of them played football,
Speaker 3: worked in football, so it was just, you know, the
Speaker 3: women embraced it as well. But I didn't have to
Speaker 3: be all up in it if I didn't want to be.
Speaker 3: But it was deeply entrenched in the culture of me
Speaker 3: growing up, particularly HBCU football, because my grandfather was coach
Speaker 3: at Tennessee State, Okay, and my dad was you know,
Speaker 3: a star player at Tennessee State as well. So the
Speaker 3: Gilliam Yeah, the weight of the Gilliam name in Tennessee
Speaker 3: State was like a you know, it's a lot of weight.
Speaker 1: That meant something.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it meant something. Did after them, I went there
Speaker 3: for a hot second, for a high second, I went
Speaker 3: to Tennessee State a whole semester.
Speaker 1: Wow, you have a playing.
Speaker 3: And all of that is such a blur like I
Speaker 3: barely even remember, but I don't want to neglect quest
Speaker 3: asking me about the music, though, I don't want to
Speaker 3: neglect that part. It was a lot of P funk
Speaker 3: and a lot of LaBelle, and it was a M radio,
Speaker 3: which back then kind of mixed blue eyes so and
Speaker 3: uh and you know, uh root soul as well, and
Speaker 3: so that was constantly you know, playing it was it was.
Speaker 3: It was a constant diet of that. And my parents
Speaker 3: were young, and so my mom would take me to
Speaker 3: concerts with her. I saw The Mothership Land when I
Speaker 3: was six, and because Solid Bell performed at War Memorial Auditorium.
Speaker 1: When just because of your your musical openness and all
Speaker 1: the risks that you've taken and stuff, I was like, well,
Speaker 1: certainly in your your formative years you had to have
Speaker 1: adapted to this early. I mean there's some people that
Speaker 1: like either you know, for beat makers, you know, they'll
Speaker 1: start collecting records and then discover like their uncle's records
Speaker 1: or something like that. But you know, I always felt
Speaker 1: as though you might have gotten miss education super early.
Speaker 1: Are you where do you fall in the sibling line?
Speaker 1: Are you?
Speaker 3: I'm the oldest?
Speaker 1: Okay, then that's something weird because normally the youngest of
Speaker 1: the brood gets the trickle down, and I'm.
Speaker 3: The oldest on some like, I was mostly an only child.
Speaker 1: It's weird no cousins to lots of big cousins.
Speaker 3: But I just I was always a little bit you're
Speaker 3: just adventures, yeah, and a little bit different from my
Speaker 3: other the things that interest me, which is different than
Speaker 3: everybody else. Was kind of thinking about I don't know,
Speaker 3: future and getting married and things like that, and I
Speaker 3: was just thinking, how to, you know, just go deeper
Speaker 3: into the funk and expand my mind.
Speaker 1: Querious, I knew it. Okay, that's what she's five days
Speaker 1: from us. Yeah, but she was born like nineteen ninety.
Speaker 1: She was one where I came out.
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, but.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll just know, we'll go with it.
Speaker 3: But yeah, I just was a little bit different from
Speaker 3: my cousins. But still not a not a not a
Speaker 3: not a secluded or introverted or weird old kid per se.
Speaker 3: But absolutely Yeah, but that developed a little more I
Speaker 3: think later. I was a little more risk taking. Like
Speaker 3: I remember smoking some cigarettes and ship at the house
Speaker 3: when I was little, like six years old. Like my
Speaker 3: cousin made me love some cigarettes there, like maybe I
Speaker 3: smoked them and I don't know how I ended up
Speaker 3: being able to even light it and do it, but
Speaker 3: I remember them like finding me and being like, let
Speaker 3: me tell your brother, smoke cloud coming out of my
Speaker 3: mouth when I'm like six and I was in trouble
Speaker 3: and even like with you know, just all of my
Speaker 3: interactions were a little different growing up. I had two
Speaker 3: boyfriends in kindergarten the same time. Yes, I mean, you
Speaker 3: know what I mean, and fine with it. Yeah, he was,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean. So there's that I just
Speaker 3: I don't know, I was just but I got in
Speaker 3: trouble for because we were you know kind of uh,
Speaker 3: I was just ahead of the curve. There was certain
Speaker 3: things that are like natural explorations for little people that
Speaker 3: all little people do, but I think my understanding of
Speaker 3: them as a little person was much keener. And I
Speaker 3: think because it was much keener I had, I recognized
Speaker 3: that it wasn't as keen for everybody else, and I
Speaker 3: think that kind of made me realize you might be
Speaker 3: a little different. So, you know, in any interaction, no
Speaker 3: matter what it was, you know, it was just a
Speaker 3: little bit here with it and everybody else might have
Speaker 3: been kind of like right there, so then I would
Speaker 3: try to kind of backpale and kind of be back
Speaker 3: there everybody else. But that didn't you know that only way?
Speaker 1: How did you express it? Like work? Did you have
Speaker 1: bands in high school or that sort of thing.
Speaker 3: I didn't do that, but I did sing in high school.
Speaker 3: So I was, you know, doing some challenge shows and
Speaker 3: won some challenge shows and was a dancer for like
Speaker 3: thirteen years to when your family know you could sing.
Speaker 3: When I was little little, probably like maybe four or five,
Speaker 3: my grandmother used to belong to a lady social group
Speaker 3: called the Beautiful Lily.
Speaker 1: That is so black and something.
Speaker 3: I just lovely ladies. They bring you know, it's popla.
Speaker 3: They bring a dish. They played Pikino and Vinga and
Speaker 3: uh and I remember singing you Light of My Life
Speaker 3: for them.
Speaker 1: Something. That song was number one for like one hundred weeks.
Speaker 1: Wait speaking which you Okay, if you ever get the chance,
Speaker 1: Jimmy cast A Bunch has Yeah, if you want to
Speaker 1: see if you can see Fante's eyebrows like just the gun,
Speaker 1: Jimmy cases that Jimmy cast Bunch has a one of
Speaker 1: the most jaw dropping versions of you light Up My Life.
Speaker 1: That's hilarious, like in a bad way, like it's it's,
Speaker 1: it's it's in a very good and terrible Brandy Watson
Speaker 1: with the saxophone too, because saxophone, saxophone. You gotta pet
Speaker 1: You Light on My Life by the Jimmy Cast a
Speaker 1: Bunch produced by Billy Davis Jr. I'm thinking that was
Speaker 1: That's what I was thinking.
Speaker 5: Dimension I sang you light Up My Life in third
Speaker 5: grade to to win this girl's heart, like I stood
Speaker 5: up and find everybody and sang that and and stole
Speaker 5: her away from the souther.
Speaker 1: It works, It really worked. Yet sound wait second or
Speaker 1: third grade something? Oh my god, forgive me okay, see you.
Speaker 1: That's the piano from I don't believe it. Just make no,
Speaker 1: that's true. That's the.
Speaker 3: Line.
Speaker 1: I don't believe it is from now And that's the
Speaker 1: never mind. That's the piano there is that damn quick
Speaker 1: quest love Supreme. Yeah you're a nerd? Yeah hell now
Speaker 1: get ready. Maybe I didn't warn you.
Speaker 3: About this before, no warning, but I figured it would
Speaker 3: have to be if it was y'all two together, because
Speaker 3: I'm familiar with your nerd and I'm familiar with quest nerds,
Speaker 3: and I figured this, Yeah, I think it was gonna be.
Speaker 1: We used the exelon you know, I sang in my
Speaker 1: life in third grade nerd know there's nerd geek and
Speaker 1: I love it. So you So you didn't have any bands.
Speaker 3: Or anything, so not bands.
Speaker 7: No.
Speaker 3: I worked with after winning the Talent show and because
Speaker 3: I was in tenth grade and I sung everything must change,
Speaker 3: oh of course, and then I also now here's a.
Speaker 1: Fun Apollo classic everything.
Speaker 3: With my The pianists that accompanied me was Gary Jenkins,
Speaker 3: who was a little g from Silk Yeah.
Speaker 1: Wow, and.
Speaker 3: He went to Tennessee set. He's an amazing piano player,
Speaker 3: like ridiculous, and he used to do all the funerals
Speaker 3: and wits and saying people's churches and you know, all
Speaker 3: of that stuff around Nashville because he's from Nashville too,
Speaker 3: and uh, and so he was my accompanyment and he
Speaker 3: and I do edit. Uh. We started off with Nobody
Speaker 3: Loves Me Like you Do, and then we segued into
Speaker 3: everything wow and I want to tell the show. But
Speaker 3: after that I started working with some producers in Nashville
Speaker 3: and got in the studio. So that was when first
Speaker 3: when I first went to the studio, I guess I
Speaker 3: was about sixteen.
Speaker 1: You know, I know that Nashville is in music city
Speaker 1: but also primarily known as a kind of a country
Speaker 1: country music. Yeah, but I know that songwriters down there
Speaker 1: is Is there any sort of at least when I
Speaker 1: say urban, I mean like to the to the sort
Speaker 1: of cosmic funk level that you're on and that you
Speaker 1: brought to the Atlantic community. Was there any of that
Speaker 1: sort of culture in Tennessee at all?
Speaker 3: Not really, But I also feel like Nashville was a
Speaker 3: place that was sort of ripe for getting whatever you
Speaker 3: wanted to get. There were things lots and lots of
Speaker 3: lots and lots of cultural diversity that came artistic cultural
Speaker 3: diversity that came through Nashville back then. So my mom,
Speaker 3: because I was, you know, a dancer and I enjoyed
Speaker 3: theater and I sang and stuff, my mom always had
Speaker 3: me very plugged into all the stuff that was happening
Speaker 3: in the city. So it's really more so a blend
Speaker 3: of all of what I was, you know, being exposed
Speaker 3: to at the time. Lots of theater, lots of dance,
Speaker 3: and lots of you know, music by my choosing by
Speaker 3: my own hand and whatever was on AM radio at
Speaker 3: the time. But in terms of a scene like you're
Speaker 3: talking about, no, that wasn't happening.
Speaker 1: What was it that got you into dance? How did
Speaker 1: you I just was.
Speaker 3: Always dancing and shit when I was little, and my
Speaker 3: mom put me in in la that's what mama's doing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay.
Speaker 3: And she also felt like I was a little clumsy
Speaker 3: when I was little, and when I was very small,
Speaker 3: she thought I was clumsy, and so she wanted me
Speaker 3: to be graceful, and so she put me in That's
Speaker 3: what she said.
Speaker 2: She didn't do the combo, the ballet, jazz tap, I
Speaker 2: did that.
Speaker 3: That came later, but the root of it, it started
Speaker 3: with ballet. The jazz and all that came once she
Speaker 3: really saw that I had taken to the dance, okay.
Speaker 3: And so probably in about maybe third grade, I started
Speaker 3: taking like modern and jazz and tap and all that.
Speaker 3: But from like little girl, like three years old to
Speaker 3: like sixteen, I was like ballet with some jazz and
Speaker 3: tap and stuff, you know, mixed in.
Speaker 1: So when did you leave Tennessee?
Speaker 3: I left Nashville, I guess technically I left when I
Speaker 3: went to Memphis State in eighty nine, but still kind
Speaker 3: of coming back and forth because I also went to
Speaker 3: Tennessee State, like I said, for a semester. I guess
Speaker 3: I was officially left Nashville probably in let's say ninety three.
Speaker 3: Officially ninety two, ninety three.
Speaker 1: Oh man, but wait that was the year year, now, Pendlum,
Speaker 1: I was ninety ninety four.
Speaker 3: Pen Bob came out. I think it dropped in ninety four,
Speaker 3: but in ninety three. I think that's how that worked.
Speaker 3: I was working on it in ninety three, Okay, So
Speaker 3: I moved to Atlanta like top of ninety three, and
Speaker 3: like by that summer I was working on Penmambot.
Speaker 1: Wow, So why, well, I want to go. Why what
Speaker 1: drew you to Atlanta? Why would you?
Speaker 10: Now?
Speaker 3: In ninety two, Dallas Austin came to Nashville, Okay, and
Speaker 3: he was working on at that time, Holland Placed Monsters. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 3: And so TLC was just like bubbling, like just going kaboom.
Speaker 3: ABC was doing their thing and stuff. And so I
Speaker 3: ended up meeting him at a studio there and we
Speaker 3: hit it off instantly. I told him I was a songwriter.
Speaker 3: I didn't say singer, cause I thought songwriter was just
Speaker 3: more I'm serious about my shit, right, and uh, and
Speaker 3: I played on some of my little songs on a
Speaker 3: little demo tape and shit, one of which was Narcisse
Speaker 3: Acuity Pie at the time, and some other stuff that
Speaker 3: was on there, and we just hit it off, and
Speaker 3: I knew that he was from Atlanta, and we stayed
Speaker 3: in touch, and he was like, I'm really gonna be
Speaker 3: hitting you up so we can do some stuff, and
Speaker 3: I was kind of like whatever, And and then I
Speaker 3: just knew that it was time for me to do
Speaker 3: something different and leave Nashville, cause I was just down there,
Speaker 3: kind of pilled a post, kind of hustling, feeling real
Speaker 3: out of place, having like all these you know, grandiose
Speaker 3: ideas and dreams for myself, but knew that they weren't
Speaker 3: gonna be realized and in Nashville. So I left and
Speaker 3: then my girlfriend went to Atlanta, and uh, I kind
Speaker 3: of went down there with nothing and just never came
Speaker 3: Where was.
Speaker 2: Your first place in Atlanta, I'm just curious.
Speaker 3: I lived in a place called Peachtree Hills. Well, that
Speaker 3: was the first place by myself. That was after I
Speaker 3: got a record deal. But me and the girlfriend that
Speaker 3: I moved down there with, and Martin Luther. I don't
Speaker 3: know if I lived there, of course. And that's the
Speaker 3: brother Trey rab And, who's my boyfriend at the time,
Speaker 3: and then two other sisters, seven of us, and we
Speaker 3: lived in this apartment on Beuvah Highway. Yeah, Highway club.
Speaker 1: You know what, wait, Highway strip club.
Speaker 3: They call it.
Speaker 1: It's a street that's called the truck stop, the street from.
Speaker 3: The stop though in l right the hell yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Flame is definitely still open go club, of course, not
Speaker 3: it's a regular club, just regular at this point.
Speaker 2: It's Atlanta, honey, just step off the plane.
Speaker 3: But we all lived together, yeah, in Temple Hallmark.
Speaker 1: So wow, that's great.
Speaker 10: Seven.
Speaker 3: Yeah. That was at the top of ninety three. And
Speaker 3: so then I remember breaking up with the guy that
Speaker 3: I was loving so at that time and feeling so heartbroken,
Speaker 3: and I was just like, this is the worst thing
Speaker 3: could ever happen. I must be about to get a
Speaker 3: record deal, because if this is the worst, the best
Speaker 3: thing that could happen would be there. I would get
Speaker 3: a record deal. And probably about a month, probably about
Speaker 3: a month later, I got a call from Dallas and
Speaker 3: he asked me comes to the studio and he was like,
Speaker 3: come right with me whenever they played a few songs,
Speaker 3: one of which will be fine me and one of
Speaker 3: which would be Sunshine right. And I just wrote to
Speaker 3: him and of course I'm still there as a writer,
Speaker 3: not as a as an artist per se a singer.
Speaker 3: You know, I'm still just kind of wanting to do that.
Speaker 3: But then after we heard how the tune sounded, he
Speaker 3: was just like, don't you want to do this? And
Speaker 3: it's just kind of like, yeah, I guess I do.
Speaker 3: You know, we listened to Sunshine and Rain probably and
Speaker 3: I'm not exaggerating, we probably listened to that probably fifty
Speaker 3: times right to just over and over and over and
Speaker 3: over and over after it was done. And that's what
Speaker 3: kind of both let us know, like, yeah, we need
Speaker 3: to move forward on this. This is something kind of else.
Speaker 1: So was there was there any direct planning, because I
Speaker 1: mean there's really I mean, it's kind of up in
Speaker 1: the air on who who planted the flag first. But
Speaker 1: I mean, you definitely weren't under the current status quo
Speaker 1: of what music from Atlanta was supposed to be. I mean,
Speaker 1: you weren't in a tlc umbrella, nor were you under
Speaker 1: Brownstone or so. Yeah, And I felt like and I
Speaker 1: could tell when someone's like trying hard to be contrary,
Speaker 1: like you know, just you know, where everything is well
Speaker 1: thought out and well plotted to. But it didn't feel
Speaker 1: like that to me when I heard it. It was
Speaker 1: like I knew it was different, but I couldn't I
Speaker 1: couldn't quite call it. So, I mean, what was it
Speaker 1: just a planning?
Speaker 3: Like there wasn't any planning none. We just did it
Speaker 3: and we did it in about two months.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, so at the time Dallas called you the work,
Speaker 1: you hadn't signed the deal to.
Speaker 3: I signed the deal with through him, Okay, that came
Speaker 3: with him, Yeah, because I was signed to him as
Speaker 3: an artist under under actually under Limp, which was.
Speaker 1: Rowdy was through I mean he had Rowdy.
Speaker 3: Was on Arista though, and then Limp was on am I.
Speaker 3: It was me and Shades of Lingo, maybe one other somebody,
Speaker 3: maybe one other person, but one of the act. But yeah,
Speaker 3: we were the only ones that were at am I.
Speaker 3: But there was no plan like, there was no The
Speaker 3: only prerequisite that I had was I wanted live instruments.
Speaker 3: That was the only thing I came And I was
Speaker 3: like every you know, you're well known for you know,
Speaker 3: your beat, these R and B beats and stuff, But
Speaker 3: that's not what I do. That doesn't really resonate with me.
Speaker 3: It's cool, but for what I want to do, I
Speaker 3: need the ship to be live, and if it's not live,
Speaker 3: it needs to be freaked in some sort of way
Speaker 3: that it's something.
Speaker 5: He was like, Hell, yeah, well, I was gonna ask
Speaker 5: just the question I always had, how do y'all sell
Speaker 5: that record?
Speaker 3: Like?
Speaker 1: What was it like taking it to am I? Because
Speaker 1: even now, I mean twenty plus years.
Speaker 5: After this release, it sounds like nothing else, like it
Speaker 5: still is in the league of his own, So like,
Speaker 5: how do you sell that in ninety four?
Speaker 3: In ninety four impossibly? You know, you could go at
Speaker 3: the meetings that I had at the labels, everybody was like, Wow,
Speaker 3: shit is fucking great. How do we sell it?
Speaker 1: Gary Gary, Gary Harris.
Speaker 3: Gary Harris was I don't even remember. Damn, I don't
Speaker 3: even remember what department Gary worked then back then. Gary,
Speaker 3: But Gary wasn't Dave. Gossip was my an.
Speaker 5: I got got gossip demos? Yeah, because they've s mister
Speaker 5: mister Dave right, that's no, no, no, no, no, no, No,
Speaker 5: that's something that somebody different.
Speaker 3: Dave Gossip was my Dave. And at that time Dave
Speaker 3: had maybe maybe he done and from maybe like Zanella
Speaker 3: Ice or somebody at the time, and like a few
Speaker 3: other people, and he had and on some big projects
Speaker 3: Black Sheep, Black Sheep, he did.
Speaker 1: He signed Gossip signed the Roots to Mercury.
Speaker 3: I never knew.
Speaker 5: Oh wow, when I didn't know that, Yeah, and the
Speaker 5: contract had they misspelled all our names on the contract
Speaker 5: so made it nol and void in that seventy two
Speaker 5: hour period. That's I guess that they were making a
Speaker 5: new contract for us. Geffen came in the last minute,
Speaker 5: like and so we went to Geffen instead, And Dave
Speaker 5: Gossip never talked to me.
Speaker 3: Well, Dave was good to me while I was there,
Speaker 3: but Dave was so I just remember. What I remember
Speaker 3: about Dave most is that the fact that Pendulum Vibe
Speaker 3: did not get his proper shot and its fair shape
Speaker 3: for how much he put into it, it really broke
Speaker 3: his motherfucking heart. It broke his heart to the point
Speaker 3: where he did step away music.
Speaker 1: Yeah wow, i'n't heard from after that.
Speaker 3: He was just like, I can't even like fuck all
Speaker 3: this shit you know, now, Gods has just been chilling living,
Speaker 3: you know, a cool civilian life as I call it,
Speaker 3: civilian life. You stepp away from this shit. And I
Speaker 3: love him to this day because he wrote really hard
Speaker 3: for him. We were just kind of all we didn't
Speaker 3: realize that there would be a machine to contend with.
Speaker 3: I know, I didn't. I just thought that I'm doing
Speaker 3: some shit. I recognized that ain't nobody doing what I'm doing?
Speaker 3: What could be so hard about selling it? Like, isn't it?
Speaker 3: What's what's the hard sale? If you put something in
Speaker 3: front of someone, if it's great and if they've not
Speaker 3: seen it before, won't they instantly be enamored with it
Speaker 3: and curious about it? And won't it Like ain't that
Speaker 3: how to fuck it go? And then I remember saying,
Speaker 3: you know, will put me on the road, Just put
Speaker 3: me on the road. I want to perform. Put me
Speaker 3: on the road. If you put me on the road,
Speaker 3: the people will come.
Speaker 1: They wouldn't do that, Ah, they wouldn't give you to
Speaker 1: a support.
Speaker 3: They wouldn't get me to support. They were like, no,
Speaker 3: we're going to really try to push it right, And
Speaker 3: here we are in nineteen ninety four, they're trying to
Speaker 3: push Sunshine in the fucking run up against Brownstone and
Speaker 3: come on, And I remember very clearly them saying to
Speaker 3: me too, if this was just a little bit more
Speaker 3: like what's the four one one?
Speaker 2: That's not about to ask you who were the contemporaries
Speaker 2: at the time marriage, So what's the fore woman was
Speaker 2: like super huge and everybody fucking love included let.
Speaker 1: That out, me, let me ask who. Because they always
Speaker 1: do this. It's usually like we're coming on a Monday
Speaker 1: and they'll be like, all right, sit on the couch, guys,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna play some remixes, just some ideas and see
Speaker 1: if you guys like it, and then it'll be like twelve.
Speaker 1: There's so many distortion and static remixes, like twelve of
Speaker 1: them that never made it to the light of day.
Speaker 1: So like, who were they trying to match you with? Like, oh,
Speaker 1: let Eric Satin remix your thing.
Speaker 3: Or well, because Dallas was there, they weren't really doing
Speaker 3: a lot of that. They were just kind of because
Speaker 3: he had the magic touch at that time, so they
Speaker 3: weren't really doing that. They were he was really trying
Speaker 3: to push it. From a standpoint of y'all gotta trust
Speaker 3: me on this like we got it, like I'm telling
Speaker 3: you this is you know, and they just weren't. They
Speaker 3: couldn't understand how to do it. And you know, it
Speaker 3: wasn't really about like cause it was several you know,
Speaker 3: rock bands that I was on the label with, all
Speaker 3: of them had to support, all of them was out
Speaker 3: on the road. They was just fucking getting started. I
Speaker 3: didn't understand why I couldn't hand on to a support
Speaker 3: and why I could go on the road. Why it
Speaker 3: wasn't important for me to build my fan base like that,
Speaker 3: And it just wasn't looked at for it wasn't looked
Speaker 3: at like that. By then, the death of the black
Speaker 3: Band had really kind of already you know, occurred, except
Speaker 3: for just these few concrete roses like your Condition and
Speaker 3: men Conditioned and Tony Tony Tony, Like the black Band
Speaker 3: had been reduced. It had been it was done. So
Speaker 3: the idea of that even at that time, and they
Speaker 3: were like, if you go out and you do shows
Speaker 3: with dad, and I was like, a dad, you ain't
Speaker 3: performing on no fucking dad. I mean a band, you know,
Speaker 3: my band that I have. But at that time too,
Speaker 3: I was rolling with a larger band and Dallas was
Speaker 3: on keys and Colin was on but that was later,
Speaker 3: that was after, but that was later. Like when Pendulum Vibe,
Speaker 3: it was like Dallas and Colin Wolf and it.
Speaker 1: Was that's crazy, like the job machine, but I got it.
Speaker 3: That's what Yeah, this is what I want to do,
Speaker 3: you know. And that's kind of been also that's been
Speaker 3: a lovely bright spot over the course of my career
Speaker 3: is that people do like to come and work with
Speaker 3: me when they want to make a departure from kind
Speaker 3: of what they're used to doing. Or they'll bring me
Speaker 3: in and be like I want you on what I
Speaker 3: do and I'm like, fine, you know I can do
Speaker 3: that too. But a lot of people will come and
Speaker 3: be like, I want to do some different shit, don't
Speaker 3: want to work with you.
Speaker 10: And I like that.
Speaker 3: I like to be I like to be that haven
Speaker 3: for people. I'm cool with that. But anyways, Doubts and
Speaker 3: them were in the band. It was about probably about
Speaker 3: eight of us at the time, and that just won't
Speaker 3: on work at three backgrounds things, they won't gonna pay
Speaker 3: all that shit. Yeah, at the time of us, because
Speaker 3: it just it had to be the fullness of the
Speaker 3: sound at that time, I hadn't tapped into my I
Speaker 3: hadn't tapped into being able to feel comfortable enough with
Speaker 3: something more stripped down. I figured that out by the
Speaker 3: second album. Once I started working on Me but Cleansing
Speaker 3: Syndrome with Fishbone, and even though it was a lot
Speaker 3: of them in the band, I had more. I was
Speaker 3: able to zero in more on rhythm section and what
Speaker 3: that meant. So I was able to zero in on
Speaker 3: that drum that bassed that guitar, and and and and
Speaker 3: get from that what I needed. And so for a
Speaker 3: number of years I saw all I toured with was
Speaker 3: just drums, bass, guitar, and it was just super fucking rocking,
Speaker 3: you know. And then that became more of a home
Speaker 3: place for me to the point where I really didn't
Speaker 3: want to too tough with nothing out side of that,
Speaker 3: you know, particular setup.
Speaker 1: What was ahead? Oh h, what was the transition? So
Speaker 1: after penzum Vi Drop and then you started working on
Speaker 1: Me but Clean, there's a stop in between again we
Speaker 1: got to ask about freedom. We didn't got to talk
Speaker 1: about the impact that pendulum vipad on a certain to
Speaker 1: get going to get the match, but I'm wanted to
Speaker 1: get freedom first and then get the match. Okay, So
Speaker 1: could you talk about the the Freedom project.
Speaker 3: Sure, Freedom came about from apparently uh uh the people
Speaker 3: from from Panther the film at the time. Uh, I
Speaker 3: guess maybe Polydor it was.
Speaker 1: It was probably back with.
Speaker 3: Polly Ground heard Freedom on the Whole Music when they
Speaker 3: were calling up to the studio to talk to Dallas.
Speaker 3: And when they heard it on the on the Whole music,
Speaker 3: this is what I was told she could be at.
Speaker 3: Sounds really great. It's a story. They heard it on
Speaker 3: the Whole Music and decided that they want that's what
Speaker 3: they wanted to use for the soundtrack. And then they
Speaker 3: had this idea that they would, you know, bring in
Speaker 3: every black female artist that was working in R and
Speaker 3: B at the time. It was the will It was
Speaker 3: like the female you will know, right and jeez, everybody
Speaker 3: was there. But when I got that call that's what
Speaker 3: they wanted to do, and that all those women were
Speaker 3: going to be on there, artists remember being like, oh,
Speaker 3: like this is incredible, you know, and then it was
Speaker 3: like breathing some more life into Pendulum vibe. It was
Speaker 3: like a good consolation for how heartbreaking it was, you know,
Speaker 3: for to have not done what I thought it was
Speaker 3: gonna do and for it to not have been accepted
Speaker 3: the way I really thought that it would be accepted
Speaker 3: and stuff, And so it it shed another light for
Speaker 3: me on kind of what it means to have like
Speaker 3: critical acclaim because I didn't really understand that concept at
Speaker 3: the time either. But doing that let me know. Because
Speaker 3: then people, the ladies, that was a really powerful experience
Speaker 3: because all those ladies you know that I met that day,
Speaker 3: I still have, you know, a tremendous amount of respect
Speaker 3: for you know, and they still have a tremendous amount
Speaker 3: of respect for me. And some of them have gone on,
Speaker 3: you know to as sind to you know, crazy commercial
Speaker 3: successful heights.
Speaker 2: But it's never been another moment like that since with
Speaker 2: a group of black female singers, I don't female.
Speaker 1: Do they have a title for it? Like like Black
Speaker 1: Men United? Was that?
Speaker 3: You won't know, right?
Speaker 1: What was the female version of it?
Speaker 3: You know what?
Speaker 1: It was?
Speaker 3: Various various artists.
Speaker 1: You'd be looking for Africa?
Speaker 3: Should that say various?
Speaker 5: And then so I remember you tell me so the
Speaker 5: sweet Honey in the Rock thing you got? Oh I didn't,
Speaker 5: I didn't even know. I thought it was your song.
Speaker 1: I didn't know.
Speaker 3: It was oh another heartbreak. So yeah, that was that.
Speaker 3: Blessed my little heart sister, just baby, just out there
Speaker 3: trying to sing something she ain't knowing nothing about, no
Speaker 3: logistics going on, and she just get right. So my
Speaker 3: album So Pendulum Vibe opened up with I'm Gonna Stand.
Speaker 3: I saw Sweet Honey. My mom took me to see
Speaker 3: Sweet Honey in the Rock at Fish Chapel when I
Speaker 3: was in seventh grade, and it changed my life. And
Speaker 3: I decided from that point professionally, when I would do music, whatever,
Speaker 3: whatever project I came out with, first Sweet Honey in
Speaker 3: the Rock, something by Sweet Honey in the Rock would
Speaker 3: be the first thing that I would have on my records.
Speaker 3: I would cover it in some way. So once I
Speaker 3: got once I you know, got the deal and started
Speaker 3: making a I was like, I'm gonna put I'm gonna
Speaker 3: stand on this record, and I had it cleared m
Speaker 3: I cleared it for Pendle. But again, hearing PolyGram, hearing
Speaker 3: the ship on the whole music, they're thinking they had
Speaker 3: no They're just thinking it's mine, right, so they weren't
Speaker 3: even using it initially. There ended up being so many
Speaker 3: women on the song that they didn't have enough room
Speaker 3: to do features for all the artists, and so that's
Speaker 3: how they decided, well, we're just gonna add that beginning
Speaker 3: part to the song. God, And how the fuck am
Speaker 3: I supposed to know if the people at PolyGram like
Speaker 3: got their paperwork shit together and got clearance from Sweet
Speaker 3: Honey in the Rock? What turns out they never got clearance.
Speaker 3: Nobody fucking got Clarence and Bernie's Johnson Riggans suit. But
Speaker 3: what does it have to do with you personally?
Speaker 1: Though?
Speaker 3: I was just because I was a writer, I'm named
Speaker 3: in the suit.
Speaker 1: So basically they took the interloew that was before freedom
Speaker 1: Right and.
Speaker 3: So so for the for the optic, for the video
Speaker 3: and for the other Because who ended up being on
Speaker 3: the beginning of that Vanessa Williams in Vogue maybe you know,
Speaker 3: it was like all these profiles you know at the
Speaker 3: time like super duper, but I ended up guesso, And
Speaker 3: man it hurt my fucking feelings and it was just
Speaker 3: so unfair. It's just like, how does that happen? How
Speaker 3: do I have to take the fucking hit for this ship?
Speaker 2: Like I had to do with that?
Speaker 1: I didn't, I didn't, you know, did you get a
Speaker 1: chance to talk to.
Speaker 3: Her, Miss Bernie. I did not, And she's a fantastic,
Speaker 3: awesome daughter to uh Toshi who's badass musician and uh
Speaker 3: huh Reagan that's doctor that's doctor Reagan's and I don't know,
Speaker 3: and I have a lot of mutual mutual sister friends,
Speaker 3: but even she I've never met in person. But I
Speaker 3: remember kind of trying to do a read to doctor
Speaker 3: Rigan back in the day and she was like, Oh.
Speaker 2: That's a family. Maybe he could bring y'all together.
Speaker 1: For twenty eighteen. Can you not throw me under the
Speaker 1: bus or my own show, please? She is the one
Speaker 1: that's the cousin. There's a cousin of mine in the group.
Speaker 1: I don't even know. I haven't met her either. Don't
Speaker 1: put that gun away, please, But.
Speaker 3: I just always figured that it would. You know, she
Speaker 3: got to know by now that the child didn't hand
Speaker 3: nothing to do with that ship. I know she knows,
Speaker 3: and I just, you know, I kind of charged it
Speaker 3: to the game. I was like, I know, I'll be
Speaker 3: able to meet doctor Riggan one day and it'll be
Speaker 3: all good.
Speaker 1: Wow, I'm sorry that happened. Yea up, since this is
Speaker 1: gonna be a lot of those stories. So let's just
Speaker 1: go for it. Get the clean next, all right?
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, I was just gonna how did Madonna find
Speaker 5: out about the Pendulum Vibe?
Speaker 3: Probably because.
Speaker 1: She was working with my guess this guy.
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, oh Siri that it could be.
Speaker 1: That guy is always her hearge of the street.
Speaker 3: It could be. And I'll say this too, I think
Speaker 3: any people of that particular ILK at that time knew
Speaker 3: who I was because the first person that reached out
Speaker 3: to me, that was fucking with me was Lenny Grab
Speaker 3: It makes sense, which is how Han Dallas ended up.
Speaker 3: Ah okay, But but Lenny reached out like, you know,
Speaker 3: who is this? What is the sunshine in the rain?
Speaker 3: Who is this girl? I want to meet her? I
Speaker 3: want to meet her, you know, And he called the
Speaker 3: record label, found me, invited me like out with he
Speaker 3: and his friends, and I just remember being like, well, fuck,
Speaker 3: what's y'all?
Speaker 1: Kind of label meets you're up?
Speaker 3: Virgin virgin big old umbrella back then is kind of Yeah,
Speaker 3: it wasn't too hard, not too much of a stretch,
Speaker 3: but you know, it's just a little old meat and
Speaker 3: then a gravitz, you know. And that was fun and
Speaker 3: it was great to be like acknowledged and great to
Speaker 3: be you know, uh you know acknowledged, you know, scene
Speaker 3: for my craft, and I think through him, I think
Speaker 3: he kind of let a lot of people know, yeah,
Speaker 3: about what was what was happening at that time, and
Speaker 3: then Madonna would end up reaching out for Dallas to
Speaker 3: produce bad time stories.
Speaker 10: Oh damn, I want to know.
Speaker 1: Damn No, I'm just saying now it makes sense because
Speaker 1: even with I'm Not Sorry Human Nature, I was like, yo,
Speaker 1: that's I feel.
Speaker 3: Like she definitely, you know, heard the album and definitely
Speaker 3: loved it, and they definitely had to go back into
Speaker 3: a little restructuring.
Speaker 1: But she ended up helping you out. Though it wasn't
Speaker 1: like beef an.
Speaker 3: Now that motherfucker that made a phone called Steven Mozil
Speaker 3: and I've got the Calvin Klein campaign. I'm not she
Speaker 3: was cold. I never had any issues. She was actually fair,
Speaker 3: very cool, Like you know the times that she.
Speaker 2: Actually mentioned one day, like doing a show together, because
Speaker 2: the thing is interesting because it's like, yes, that's great,
Speaker 2: you're modeling, not singing.
Speaker 1: We're also a Maverick associate. I just remember that myself, So.
Speaker 9: Okay, cool, We're not.
Speaker 1: Trying to throw salt on the game.
Speaker 3: I just know that was real. That was Madonna. I
Speaker 3: see your game. I picked it just.
Speaker 1: They often retweet our shows out appreciate it.
Speaker 3: Singing out there, so if you love them. But no,
Speaker 3: she didn't reach out on any tip like that. I
Speaker 3: don't know that anybody ever reached out, you.
Speaker 1: Know what, not that we could afford to do anything
Speaker 1: with you at the time, but definitely Gary was saying that, uh,
Speaker 1: you were someone that we should work with. I mean
Speaker 1: just at the time, I'll say, before we realized what
Speaker 1: had to happen. And also you two found your own
Speaker 1: family tree with the Dungeon family, like when you're alone,
Speaker 1: I realized that you need a group of people. You
Speaker 1: basically need five to seven people that do what you
Speaker 1: do and be in a community. So well, I mean
Speaker 1: I guess that's what you were basically going with Fishbone
Speaker 1: with the problem. Yeah.
Speaker 3: I did more so with them, I think than than Yeah,
Speaker 3: like did I definitely did that with them. And I
Speaker 3: would collaborate with DF you know, and I would go
Speaker 3: on the road with them, not as joy though not
Speaker 3: as an untry. I would go you know, as music
Speaker 3: director or go as singing backs or go as you know,
Speaker 3: doing things of that nature. When Goodie first went out
Speaker 3: a little bit later on, I would do that music
Speaker 3: direction and stuff for them because Lo and I just
Speaker 3: had kind of a we knew it each other, like right,
Speaker 3: and I could, you know, get the shit together and
Speaker 3: make sure everything was good for them. But not as
Speaker 3: a joy entity. No, always in a in a more
Speaker 3: of a supporting kind of grow you know, which is fine,
Speaker 3: you know which is whatever, because I would still do
Speaker 3: my own shit, you know, whenever I would do my
Speaker 3: own shit.
Speaker 1: So I gotta ask in the most diplomatic way possible. Yes,
Speaker 1: because we have a lot of mutual people in common.
Speaker 1: Yes we do, but you but you and I also
Speaker 1: have a lot of experiences in common. And I'll say
Speaker 1: that even with whatever my weird journey is in music,
Speaker 1: I always still felt like the bride's maid and never
Speaker 1: the bride. And there is no feeling like the feeling
Speaker 1: of you thinking, Okay, this is gonna be the moment,
Speaker 1: that's gonna be the always in January like this is
Speaker 1: gonna be okay, this is the year we're gonna get together.
Speaker 3: And then.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you You're like all right, cool, cool, next year,
Speaker 1: just keep working, but how I would like to know.
Speaker 1: And again I'm not I've never on this used the
Speaker 1: show as a gotcha journalism or that sort of thing.
Speaker 1: But you are literally one of the people of my
Speaker 1: contemporaries that I could possibly think has had the same
Speaker 1: sort of tortoise in the hair journey. Sure, So what
Speaker 1: is that feeling with once the year start to develop
Speaker 1: and suddenly people are open to alternative ways of seeing
Speaker 1: R and B and I'll say your name with Erica
Speaker 1: and everything and you not getting your turn, like, how
Speaker 1: do you well? I've sad tears over many of Rolling
Speaker 1: Stone cover. I've had panic attacks. Sure, I've thrown many
Speaker 1: a coffee mug at you know, I get it, So Steve,
Speaker 1: damn that mix. Yeah.
Speaker 3: So here's the thing. One thing I've been pretty blessed
Speaker 3: with is the ability, like I like when we in
Speaker 3: the beginning of this interview, when I told you from
Speaker 3: very little i've known, my shit ain't like everybody else's shit.
Speaker 3: So the journey is not like everybody else's so if
Speaker 3: and I mean, and I really really realized that early on.
Speaker 3: So I and another thing that I don't do, and
Speaker 3: which is probably why I've been able to keep a
Speaker 3: lout of my zen and my sanity and check is
Speaker 3: that I don't do a lot of I'm not a
Speaker 3: I'm not a comparer. I don't compare myself to other people.
Speaker 3: I don't compare what I have going on in my
Speaker 3: life or what they have going on in their life.
Speaker 3: Just don't do it. And this is from the jump
Speaker 3: of your life. This is from my life. This is
Speaker 3: not me as an artist, This is me as a
Speaker 3: human being.
Speaker 2: Because when we started this conversation, you said something to
Speaker 2: me that was very ill for somebody that was your age.
Speaker 2: You said that when old boy broke up with you,
Speaker 2: it was one of the saddest parts of your life.
Speaker 2: But you knew that you were about to get a
Speaker 2: record deal.
Speaker 3: It was already clear on what balance what checks a
Speaker 3: lot of people.
Speaker 2: It takes some books, some spiritual learning, some things, you know,
Speaker 2: to really realize that moment.
Speaker 3: No no, no book has taught me my Nothing has
Speaker 3: taught me better than my experience and my living and
Speaker 3: my making it through. For what keeps you saying and balanced,
Speaker 3: Because what keeps me saying in balance is that I'm
Speaker 3: still hearing. I know I got shit to do. That's
Speaker 3: what keeps me saying ballence, that's I believe you know
Speaker 3: what it is, quess here it is in a nutshell genuinely.
Speaker 3: I believe my best work is in front of me, genuinely.
Speaker 3: So if I didn't believe that, then I could be
Speaker 3: mad and I could be like, well, fuck so and
Speaker 3: so and so and so got dawn had my goddamn
Speaker 3: shoes on at one time, and so goddamn had this,
Speaker 3: and so and so sound like me on that and
Speaker 3: that bitch, No, she got damn sample that doesn't even
Speaker 3: know he got down there. No, my contemporary my peers
Speaker 3: get mad like that about certain shit, and I have
Speaker 3: to calm them there, like why y'all, I mean, but
Speaker 3: why are y'all so hell being on comparing me to
Speaker 3: the next motherfucker? Why are you so hell bent on that?
Speaker 1: It's not because they're projecting the projecting and it's not
Speaker 1: what it is.
Speaker 3: I'm with it. If I did not believe that my
Speaker 3: best work and my my finest, finest self was not
Speaker 3: in front of me. If I didn't believe that, then
Speaker 3: I wouldn't be fucking doing it. And it's literally that simple.
Speaker 3: It don't mean the shit don't hurt or don't you know,
Speaker 3: it doesn't mean that I'm not affected by those things.
Speaker 3: It just means that I'm rooted in something that anchors
Speaker 3: me outside of all the external noise.
Speaker 1: How fast did it take you to realize that?
Speaker 6: For me?
Speaker 1: Like, I'll be honest with you last year, I'm really
Speaker 1: truly not lying to you. I'm not lying to you,
Speaker 1: and I'm not I'm not even saying to the point
Speaker 1: where it's like, oh, I had to watch all my
Speaker 1: contemporaries fall or break breakup or that sort of thing.
Speaker 1: But you know, even though like I still don't know
Speaker 1: where this place is where, it's like, Okay, I get
Speaker 1: to write books and teach class and do a radio show.
Speaker 1: But I definitely feel like I knew that my biggest
Speaker 1: fear starting in nineteen ninety two was whether or not
Speaker 1: I'd still be here in nineteen ninety nine. That was
Speaker 1: like some super future shit. And I'm not even talking
Speaker 1: about like two thousand and five or twenty fifteen or
Speaker 1: even twenty twenty five.
Speaker 5: But you know, I know four years is a rap career,
Speaker 5: Like I mean, that's it's is like high school, like
Speaker 5: literally you got four years to get your money and
Speaker 5: then after that it's kind of like.
Speaker 1: You know, I think I came to the conclusion that
Speaker 1: if Tarika and I really got what we wish for,
Speaker 1: you know along the way, you know whatever, like the
Speaker 1: Bentley or whatever, right, we would have been assholes and dead.
Speaker 3: I would have been dead.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we would have been assholes.
Speaker 3: Like inside with way way too free, way too well.
Speaker 3: I would do because I'm a creature of desire, I
Speaker 3: do what the funk I want to do, so and
Speaker 3: because I'm that way, I would have just ain't what
Speaker 3: the rigie he says that I couldn't have Yeah, I
Speaker 3: couldn't have had it like that it had.
Speaker 1: Like one hundred million units. But you know he was
Speaker 1: saying like he was saying like the question is like,
Speaker 1: you know, can you survive your success? That's the thing,
Speaker 1: Like you can whatever because whatever it is you're into,
Speaker 1: if it's girls, if it's dope, if it's whatever, you're
Speaker 1: gonna get all of that that's dope, all the dope,
Speaker 1: all the holes, all the cars, whatever it is into.
Speaker 5: So with success, the question becomes can you survive it?
Speaker 5: And if you get it too early? You know, that's
Speaker 5: why allow of people.
Speaker 3: Don't nothin I I agree, I would have. I definitely did.
Speaker 3: The road had to be temper I just I really
Speaker 3: look at it because now where I am in my
Speaker 3: life now, you know, shit, some people be looking at
Speaker 3: me like a damn shaman at this point, you know
Speaker 3: what I'm saying. And my friends who uh you know,
Speaker 3: do have to be under the lights, you know all
Speaker 3: the time, you know, can find you know, some comfort
Speaker 3: and being able to come and sit with me or
Speaker 3: talk to me and to to to get grounded, you know,
Speaker 3: and where they are, and and to have and to
Speaker 3: to to gain some clarity about where they are. So
Speaker 3: kind of what ended up happening as a result of
Speaker 3: all these experiences and me having to process and digest
Speaker 3: all these different things that have happened to me in career,
Speaker 3: things I've seen, whatever's really turned me into an a
Speaker 3: one fucking therapist without the doctorate, but a one like
Speaker 3: a fucking one like really really, I was about to say,
Speaker 3: please you did not want to share that info? Please
Speaker 3: do And and that's the kind of book where I could,
Speaker 3: But you can't touch everybody.
Speaker 1: It's a different audio.
Speaker 3: I need something.
Speaker 2: I need something for the everyday man, because that which
Speaker 2: you that's some Yeah, it's major.
Speaker 3: It's like metal, human and ship. You're talking. Yeah, it's
Speaker 3: just and that's and those are things that I'm you know,
Speaker 3: those are journeys I have to to to get suited
Speaker 3: up for with being able to put things into books
Speaker 3: and do things like that. Because my mom, I'm so like,
Speaker 3: just come see me. Yeah, come see me and sit
Speaker 3: on my like you know what I'm saying, like a book,
Speaker 3: a seminar.
Speaker 2: Okay, I was thinking about everybody else, but I'll come
Speaker 2: over your house everybody else.
Speaker 1: I'm just like we're sending to your house.
Speaker 3: About the Tears was about a month.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because we're about to finish album for this week.
Speaker 1: You got the off you're about to.
Speaker 3: Go, will take it camp quite you know, I'm you know,
Speaker 3: cos bring my medicine with me to bring will have
Speaker 3: my own medicine. You may bring your medicine, share medicine.
Speaker 1: I supposed to share prescriptions that I just want to
Speaker 1: do some drugs. I want to be joy. Yes, Okay,
Speaker 1: So the tenure for the Turies sweet badass song the
Speaker 1: fish moone period? Did I pronounced that right?
Speaker 5: The tenure is that what you're saying, said Jim Cheery,
Speaker 5: Sorry to Tree like, no, not not Mary Poppins. That
Speaker 5: you think the mythic man, the flow man was quote
Speaker 5: Mary Poppins, Jim Jim three, Mary Poppins.
Speaker 3: You never seen Mary?
Speaker 1: You were never but I knew that.
Speaker 3: But you're really gonna love.
Speaker 1: It, planning on watching in the next Nigga, who watched
Speaker 1: all the Friends?
Speaker 3: You better watched Mary Popps.
Speaker 1: I had nothing to do. I was in Malloy alone.
Speaker 7: You could have watched Mary Poppins to watch Friends, and
Speaker 7: the randomness it would have been over sooner, the randomness
Speaker 7: of it. You're gonna check it out one time late night.
Speaker 7: You totally are, like, I watched.
Speaker 1: I will watch Mary Poppins. Thank you anyway, pronounce this
Speaker 1: fishbone al.
Speaker 2: As.
Speaker 1: Y'all just looked at me like you don't know what
Speaker 1: this is?
Speaker 5: No, No, I was just I thought you were saying
Speaker 5: Jimmy cheery, because Jimmy Cheery sauce is like the sau steak.
Speaker 1: About. I was like, so we we actually not many
Speaker 1: people well not many people know. I think one third
Speaker 1: of our third album, Philadelph Half Life, we recorded at
Speaker 1: dark Yeah, and I was gonna say, how did how
Speaker 1: did you guys? Pull?
Speaker 10: Uh? Uh?
Speaker 1: I'm about to say Norwood Angelo Angelo away from that
Speaker 1: goddamn Thurman miss Sherman. Well, he practiced that ship like
Speaker 1: seven hours a day, he did, and that.
Speaker 3: It was newly discovered for him at the time. And
Speaker 3: it's still a part like once it came and never left.
Speaker 3: Now that's still a part of the Fishbone show. But he's,
Speaker 3: you know, masterful with that now.
Speaker 1: Back in ninety seven, he wouldn't answer questions.
Speaker 3: Like he.
Speaker 10: Loved it.
Speaker 3: He loved it so deep and hard.
Speaker 1: So just being in that chaotic environment, what was that like?
Speaker 3: Wonderful?
Speaker 1: Oh okay, you embraced that.
Speaker 3: I embraced it.
Speaker 1: I'm not good at.
Speaker 3: Chaos my kind of freedom. And see I am. I
Speaker 3: don't do well with order.
Speaker 1: Broke up after three weeks. I'm disciplined follow the rules.
Speaker 1: You with me.
Speaker 3: So much that I'm not following the rules. I just
Speaker 3: recognized that the rules. You know what I'm I'm not
Speaker 3: going to yield so easily to someone else's control. And
Speaker 3: I'm not going to be rambunctious or fucked up about it,
Speaker 3: but I will if I want to get found, I'm
Speaker 3: gonna have to make some ulse. I can't be here.
Speaker 3: It's like that.
Speaker 1: Come a second, talk to me.
Speaker 3: But I'm also super respectful and super nurturing of other
Speaker 3: people's ways and how other people are. So I have
Speaker 3: a lot My mama is. You know, she got a
Speaker 3: little animal thing, a little bit with her. You know,
Speaker 3: my auntie, you got a little aiming where they real neat,
Speaker 3: real orderly. And I appreciate that deeply. It's just not me.
Speaker 3: So I can do it for a time, I just
Speaker 3: can't exist in it. How many beatings you get before
Speaker 3: they were just like about to say, all I heard
Speaker 3: was yeah, a lot growing up, and just after a
Speaker 3: point they were just like, y'all, this is just how
Speaker 3: she gonna be. But that time period with them was
Speaker 3: really wonderful. I had met Angelo. He was doing a
Speaker 3: Doctor Mad Vibe thing in Atlanta, and I went to it,
Speaker 3: and I was so excited because of course I'm a
Speaker 3: fan from uh, you know, from.
Speaker 1: From from their southern California.
Speaker 3: Then yes, and and I remember seeing them on soul training.
Speaker 3: I remember them performing Freddy's Dead and every day Sunshine training.
Speaker 3: It was fucking killer. And so I met Angelo there
Speaker 3: and he was super funny and insane and awesome and wonderful,
Speaker 3: and he was like, man, we just lost our deal
Speaker 3: with who they was at Sony or c Sony at
Speaker 3: the time, because the last time and they didn't think
Speaker 3: maybe give a monkey a brain, which is a great thing.
Speaker 3: And he was like, so Fisherman doesn't have a deal.
Speaker 3: And I was like, what, how does fish have a deal?
Speaker 1: And I said, you were the bridge to Dallas.
Speaker 3: Yes. Wow, So I said, y'all gonna have a fucking
Speaker 3: record deal. Y'all gonna do that ship here in Atlanta.
Speaker 3: He was like, I was like, we're going to we
Speaker 3: want to study it. So I took Angeloa to meet Dallas,
Speaker 3: and of course Dallas was like, fucking fishbone dude, like
Speaker 3: you're going you being cool because he's a quiet, kind
Speaker 3: of reserved cat back then, still kind of his but
Speaker 3: he was real kind of quiet a shot back then,
Speaker 3: but he was freaking out on the inside and uh.
Speaker 3: And they started a dialogue about it, and he made
Speaker 3: that he pushed that ship through pretty quick because once
Speaker 3: he found out he could really do it, he was
Speaker 3: just like, you know, so exetraally pushed that forward and
Speaker 3: the guys ended up spending a tremendous amount of time
Speaker 3: in Atlanta over the next year. So here's Fishbone said
Speaker 3: in Atlanta like during like ninety yeah, at the dungeon,
Speaker 3: and you know they meet U GK. Because I mean
Speaker 3: PIMC shouts him out on on Roden dirty at the end,
Speaker 3: he shouts out Fishbone because he spent I mean, because
Speaker 3: you know they were we were very good friends, you
Speaker 3: know at the time, blending pimple like our family getting
Speaker 3: out we're married, and and they ended up just spending
Speaker 3: a lot of time with them too, because they were
Speaker 3: just a ron. So here it's like UGK, it's Fishbone,
Speaker 3: it's cass Is Goodie, it's you know me. It's like
Speaker 3: it was just.
Speaker 1: This, you know, back down, describe what working with Dallas
Speaker 1: is like, because i mean, again, you know, what was
Speaker 1: his first joint, mister dj would.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I mean he was a child, you know,
Speaker 3: he was in high school age.
Speaker 1: Yeah. But to have that range of being a new
Speaker 1: Jack proprietory TLC and just going to the new soul
Speaker 1: like sort of swimming to that and then to go
Speaker 1: all over the place, how was he able to because
Speaker 1: he's churning out the hits for everybody at this point,
Speaker 1: how is he able to devote time to you to
Speaker 1: them to TLC to Madonna to like just keep all
Speaker 1: of this.
Speaker 5: It was a lot.
Speaker 3: I can't remember it being a lot for him.
Speaker 1: Was it a lot for you?
Speaker 3: Though?
Speaker 1: I mean in terms of like, hello, are you picking up?
Speaker 3: No, it wasn't that way for me only because like
Speaker 3: that's not like the same age, same exact age, and
Speaker 3: how things were structured with us back then. It was
Speaker 3: a little more family dynamicish, so it was a little
Speaker 3: more like that's my part, and if his mama's cooking
Speaker 3: on Sunday, I'm going over to the house, like which
Speaker 3: he would have everybody come over with his mama's house
Speaker 3: on Sunday. But like they would do these regular occurrences.
Speaker 3: If he said a student he's working, I'm going by
Speaker 3: the studio, he gonna hit me, I'm at the studio.
Speaker 3: I didn't. Necessarily, I didn't have problems with accessibility with him.
Speaker 3: No one did. He wasn't an inaccessible person at the time.
Speaker 3: If you were working with him, he could get ghosts
Speaker 3: like you know, the best of whoever. But but I
Speaker 3: didn't have that problem, and I didn't see him thinking
Speaker 3: back that shit, han't you just call out all that shit?
Speaker 3: I was like, damn, he was young as fuck back then,
Speaker 3: and he was doing all that shit like I hadn't
Speaker 3: even thought about it like that, and so I guess
Speaker 3: he handled it, you know, as best he could and
Speaker 3: did a pretty decent, like a job of it because
Speaker 3: he was working on I mean, but cleansing Syndrome. We
Speaker 3: were working on that at the same time. They were
Speaker 3: doing Chim Jim was at the same time, and then
Speaker 3: whatever else he was doing. Because at that point too,
Speaker 3: you know, everybody's calling you for these individual tracks and
Speaker 3: you know, you got to work on remixes and you're
Speaker 3: doing all kind of shit everybody. I didn't have any
Speaker 3: accessibility problems with him. He was great to work with.
Speaker 3: He was adventurous, he was rooted and soul and funk.
Speaker 3: He was, you know, a James Brown student, you know,
Speaker 3: an old soul student, a pfunk student. So we had
Speaker 3: a lot in common. He was just doing this R
Speaker 3: and B. You know, he had gone heavy into this
Speaker 3: new urban R and B sound, but his roots were
Speaker 3: in the shit that I fucked with. So it it
Speaker 3: was always, you know, a pleasure, very easy you know
Speaker 3: to work with. It was that was that or yes,
Speaker 3: it was supposed to be a me, but cleansing is
Speaker 3: like my black albums never commercially released.
Speaker 1: What happened?
Speaker 3: So em I fault bout two weeks before Amimba was
Speaker 3: supposed to come out.
Speaker 1: Em I folded, and the label prior to that, they
Speaker 1: were with it. They were like, we're gonna put it out.
Speaker 1: We're gonna put it out, okay.
Speaker 3: Cool, And then the label folded.
Speaker 1: So then it was like, did they have the video
Speaker 1: out for Ghetto Superstar and.
Speaker 3: The video for Ghetto Superstar had just dropped. Oh no,
Speaker 3: it hadn't come out yet. Because here's what ended up happening.
Speaker 3: Once em I folded, Dallas hurried up and got another
Speaker 3: situation together with this other cat. I can't even remember.
Speaker 3: Maybe V not V two. I don't want to get
Speaker 3: that wrong.
Speaker 1: Was it?
Speaker 5: No, I know you're talking about because he put out
Speaker 5: was that the young Sad and Blue Wow put that.
Speaker 1: Free World? Yeah?
Speaker 3: Free World?
Speaker 1: Was I had that single in college?
Speaker 3: Oh wow, when I'm so tired on there? Does it happen?
Speaker 1: I don't think that's on there, but it's the one
Speaker 1: with the pink cover. Yeah, yeah, maybe it.
Speaker 3: Doesn't because I'm so tired. Was a lot of people
Speaker 3: that have that because that wasn't on like the big,
Speaker 3: the more widely distributed sam when people have the one
Speaker 3: when I'm so tired.
Speaker 1: It was like the college sampler.
Speaker 3: Free World. So he ended up cooking up a little
Speaker 3: deal real quick, put that together, got some money behind ship,
Speaker 3: and then we shot the video for Ghetto Superstar, and
Speaker 3: then Ghetto Superstar was really take off. It was doing well.
Speaker 3: It had been like kind of pulled into that whole
Speaker 3: MTV regular play list when they would do little R
Speaker 3: and B Ship back then and whatever. And then Free
Speaker 3: World folded. Yeah, Jesus, and then I was just like,
Speaker 3: there's a roote on my life. There's a fucking curse
Speaker 3: on me. There has to be. This is some bullshit. No, no, no,
Speaker 3: you were my journey, because that's not the way you said.
Speaker 3: Again I said you were like, this is my journey though,
Speaker 3: because but you know, even on our journey we got
Speaker 3: to take me sometimes.
Speaker 1: Okay, one thing, Yeah, where did you have your daughter?
Speaker 3: And that's what I was leading up to. I had
Speaker 3: just had keep Sire that keeps I was born in
Speaker 3: ninety six. Okay, so the first iteration of amba cleansing
Speaker 3: syndrome began before Keeping was born. And second iteration because
Speaker 3: I went back and added you.
Speaker 1: Turn me on. Wait a minute, you just said that
Speaker 1: she's always going to be you to me.
Speaker 3: Twenty one, Yeah, grown marbling, she's going to be two forever.
Speaker 3: I know.
Speaker 2: I remember working at Clark Atlanta Radio and you're walking
Speaker 2: in with a baby.
Speaker 3: That is I feel. I mean, I was going in
Speaker 3: the nineties, so it was weird.
Speaker 1: You're only.
Speaker 2: A couple of years old.
Speaker 3: Edit. Oh but yeah, keeps twenty one should be twenty
Speaker 3: two in June.
Speaker 1: But so yeah.
Speaker 3: Then I went back in and I added you turned
Speaker 3: me on La Bell cover time the Smile, went back
Speaker 3: in and did something with Colin Wolf, and then I
Speaker 3: added Ghettle Superstar. Gettle Superstar came letter of something I
Speaker 3: added to me but cleansing for them to be just on.
Speaker 3: We don't have that one radio one, so wh're making
Speaker 3: it added that one and there's one I'm missing. I'm
Speaker 3: sorry I forget, but yeah, so it was too It
Speaker 3: was before keep Beat, before and after keeping Uh thank
Speaker 3: you Danne Line does by that. Yeah, yeah, I'm sorry.
Speaker 3: So the two you know, it was before keeping after
Speaker 3: Keeping Me, But Cleinsington drums took a while to come out.
Speaker 3: I started working on it in ninety five and then
Speaker 3: it actually came out in uh ninety seven, well, didn't
Speaker 3: actually come out. Was finished with it in ninety seven.
Speaker 3: As it was about to be released, everything all the
Speaker 3: plugs got pulled. So I just after that, That's really
Speaker 3: what made me kind of go deeper into being more
Speaker 3: of the wind beneath other people's wings because it was
Speaker 3: a little too I didn't know how much I had
Speaker 3: left in me to get kicked in my kicked in
Speaker 3: my chest like that, A shotgun blasted in my chest like.
Speaker 1: That, another Ghetto Super started coming out.
Speaker 2: I was I'm trying to get it out of my
Speaker 2: head because every time I hear the title, the other
Speaker 2: one comes in my head, and I'm trying to get
Speaker 2: it out.
Speaker 3: What I tell you, I don't like this motherfucking ask
Speaker 3: to this day.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, oh problem. I'm hugging you right now. Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm hugging I remember thinking like, is this how y'all
Speaker 1: gonna do it?
Speaker 3: It's just gonna be the black Like it's just gonna
Speaker 3: it's gonna be like this.
Speaker 1: Hide it.
Speaker 3: Were just gone. And I remember, and it was always
Speaker 3: these situations, whether it was just enough, what you're doing
Speaker 3: is legal for it to be okay, and you can't
Speaker 3: soon nobody here. It's only the moral like you just
Speaker 3: doubt what you're gonna do. You only have that, but
Speaker 3: you don't have like a legal leg to stand on
Speaker 3: and ship, so you just gotta be like shrug. Wait,
Speaker 3: but we talked about keeping.
Speaker 2: We didn't talk about her debut you before she was
Speaker 2: even born, and how that I felt like that was
Speaker 2: the whole history making moment on screen Indiangelo's video.
Speaker 3: Yes, well that was that was she was in She
Speaker 3: was in there, okay, because I was about to say
Speaker 3: I thought that was face in China, but China was
Speaker 3: a little thing. But I was pregnant.
Speaker 11: Yeah.
Speaker 3: With the bikini sheer moment, it was a moment.
Speaker 2: Were you did you have questions like was the bikini?
Speaker 2: Did you say I'm going to do it, but I
Speaker 2: must be in my bikini?
Speaker 3: No, I came. I just came dressed to the video.
Speaker 3: That was just her regular It was a summer day. No,
Speaker 3: it was you're gonna be they want you video.
Speaker 1: And I was, and I'm gonna shut ship down.
Speaker 3: And I'm on bikini with this ship dressing him and
Speaker 3: this and.
Speaker 1: What video was and I bet you nobody can plain.
Speaker 3: And that was and that was the day I met Erica.
Speaker 1: Really wow because she was in the video in the.
Speaker 3: Video the first drop, that was her first little Wow.
Speaker 3: That's crazy, first seeing you know, first seeing her on
Speaker 3: the screen. And that was my first time meeting her,
Speaker 3: and my first time meeting Faith that day too. And
Speaker 3: Faith was pregnant with little little c J at the time.
Speaker 2: That's crazy because then the dim in between what was
Speaker 2: the video? It was it Erica's video where you were
Speaker 2: in the car.
Speaker 3: I just have a visual of I haven't been in
Speaker 3: any easy no, you know what, who are you thinking?
Speaker 1: No, you're thinking of Lucy Lucy bro I wasn't think
Speaker 1: couldn't be because you're in don mess with my man, right, I.
Speaker 3: Am not in the mess with because I'm in without
Speaker 3: you and you those because you know my I came
Speaker 3: in at the telling very just to finish up awar
Speaker 3: season and the tour.
Speaker 1: That was it. What was transition. I feel like you're
Speaker 1: just then fix it.
Speaker 3: I'm fix it. Yeah, it's like a fix It's like
Speaker 3: some fixer ship. It really is fix it with no
Speaker 3: drama like deliver and low key you don't end up
Speaker 3: in flow. Seriously, Yeah, we.
Speaker 1: Have heard about that wisdom. Where's her jingle? I'm sorry? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I'm sorry. That was your first brilliant moment
Speaker 1: of comedy on the show.
Speaker 3: Only took almost two years. That was pretty phone call
Speaker 3: at the eleventh hour, you know that was I would
Speaker 3: have you had to say no, I've had to say
Speaker 3: to a to a lot of things.
Speaker 1: Who did you say no, I can't do the project
Speaker 1: right now? Or I'm good?
Speaker 10: You know what?
Speaker 1: Like your weirdest offer, my weirdest offer, girls, that would
Speaker 1: have been hilarious.
Speaker 3: That's my weirdest offer. Child, I don't even know. I
Speaker 3: can't even.
Speaker 1: So much.
Speaker 3: Damn shit my brain, I don't know. I don't know.
Speaker 3: You could ask me this probably in two hours, and
Speaker 3: I'd be like child, it was that one. But right,
Speaker 3: I can't think of what my weirdest one would be.
Speaker 1: But I have to say.
Speaker 3: The stuff that the universe will shoot at me, the
Speaker 3: universe that it'll be tough, fucked up, kind of hard
Speaker 3: kind of lessons and stuff. But it's not it ain't
Speaker 3: nothing that I can't you know, stand by, And it
Speaker 3: ain't nothing that I can't be like well, you know,
Speaker 3: I'm always proud of the work. So anything that I've done,
Speaker 3: I'm still proud of the work, you know, my involvement in.
Speaker 3: But I can't really I can't think right now of
Speaker 3: what the what I've turned down where I was like,
Speaker 3: probably because once I turned something down, I'm through with
Speaker 3: that and I don't think about that no more. I don't.
Speaker 3: I don't store that no. Well, but working with you know,
Speaker 3: getting a call from Ray it was cool because I
Speaker 3: was just like, you know, I'll be on the lips
Speaker 3: of my name, will be on the lips of some
Speaker 3: you know, some folks in the demographic that otherwise absolutely
Speaker 3: wouldn't know who I was. So and he's the homie.
Speaker 1: And were you shot that like oh okay or is
Speaker 1: it like whatever? Like I mean, are you I don't
Speaker 1: mean in a jaded centema, I mean, but is it
Speaker 1: just like yeah.
Speaker 3: Okay, it's a job. It was a job like I
Speaker 3: looked at it like a job that I can do
Speaker 3: for now, Like that's what it looked like, like this
Speaker 3: is a good temporary gig and I'm gonna do it.
Speaker 1: We'd playing them back because I also forgot that we
Speaker 1: toured uh uh during the goodie my period. Yeah. And
Speaker 1: also so it's like.
Speaker 3: I was pregnant then too, where you have to sort
Speaker 3: of not or you kind of have to.
Speaker 1: Is it weird laying in the cut and being a
Speaker 1: team member.
Speaker 3: I've been doing it for so long now, like you
Speaker 3: have to remember after me, but cleansing syndrome that really
Speaker 3: started me to being to scale back. I wasn't so
Speaker 3: in pursuit of the spotlight and I just wanted to work,
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying. So once I just got
Speaker 3: to that point, I was just like, I just want
Speaker 3: to work and I'm not so you know whatever. And
Speaker 3: I think for other people it's far more weird than
Speaker 3: it is because people have these these notions of me
Speaker 3: and what they think I am and how they think
Speaker 3: I am and all this type of ship and so
Speaker 3: then when they meet.
Speaker 1: Me they like that. Yeah. I think people of like
Speaker 1: what fame being a successful musician.
Speaker 3: Musician is like you.
Speaker 1: Can be a success and nobody know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Like, and that's why I'm you know, I don't
Speaker 3: give a fuck about that. Other part of fame is
Speaker 3: not even controllable enough for me to want it, you know,
Speaker 3: like it doesn't offer freedom. I'm too. I I I
Speaker 3: live and die by my freedom, and fame doesn't offer
Speaker 3: a tremendous amount of freedom. It has perks, but it
Speaker 3: doesn't it's enslaving.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's the exact opposite. Yeah, freedom, it is.
Speaker 3: And so I don't. I ain't never been tillated by
Speaker 3: that particular part. I've only felt the I know that
Speaker 3: when you do good art, the fame tends to come
Speaker 3: with it. So if I had to endure the fame
Speaker 3: to produce the good art, then I would do it.
Speaker 3: But that part of it so so me kind of
Speaker 3: stepping back and being like, well, I just do work
Speaker 3: with other people. That was a that wasn't a hard
Speaker 3: decision to make. That was like, A I want to work.
Speaker 3: B I just say, mean, I'm tired of all that
Speaker 3: other part of ship anyway, and I'm just who the
Speaker 3: fuck I am, and I'm just gonna fucking be that
Speaker 3: and do that and raise my child.
Speaker 5: And yeah, if you were famous, I think me and
Speaker 5: you couldn't have been sitting outside the Dennis or whatever chilling.
Speaker 1: That moment.
Speaker 3: It would have been something totally different exactly. And see,
Speaker 3: I I I have to be able to sit outside
Speaker 3: of Dennis with my folks sometimes, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 3: like I have to be able to do that in
Speaker 3: this life? You miss who you miss Denny's. No, No,
Speaker 3: not at all. It just happened.
Speaker 2: No, I was just saying in those moments because he's
Speaker 2: so it's opposite in that way, like what you're talking about, like.
Speaker 1: That outside of my illustrious apartment about twelve Ace is up.
Speaker 5: You got that fancy Denny's, the only, the only Denny's
Speaker 5: in Manhattan. So I'm very familiar.
Speaker 3: It was a metaphor for life.
Speaker 1: I know. But then I love radio on Perade sometimes anyway,
Speaker 1: So yeah, maybe like twice a week I'm at that
Speaker 1: Denny's connected. Yeah.
Speaker 3: And the other thing too, I have to say, is
Speaker 3: that famous my kind of fame or how I'm famous?
Speaker 3: You know my way I'm famous. It's it's different because
Speaker 3: people I don't. I don't deal with a lot of
Speaker 3: foolishness and ridiculousness to other people, Like people fuck with
Speaker 3: me because.
Speaker 1: They fucked with me, not because other people fuck with you.
Speaker 3: People to fuck with me, robbing you exactly, you know,
Speaker 3: And so I don't have like a fickle anybody that
Speaker 3: was my you know that came along as a supporter
Speaker 3: of what I do from Pendulum. By they still here.
Speaker 3: You know, I ain't lost. No, ain't nobody like I
Speaker 3: don't fuck with Joyan no moo she wet or she
Speaker 3: don't do whatever. I didn't like that other album and shit,
Speaker 3: But no, everybody still supports me, stays down, goes though
Speaker 3: with me, and believes in my ability to continue to
Speaker 3: produce good work.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I remember.
Speaker 5: I mean when we did the record together for those
Speaker 5: albums in twenty fifteen, I was just still getting in
Speaker 5: my head.
Speaker 1: I was telling my well, now wife, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. I was like, Joy is on the way
Speaker 1: to the house, Like you understand, Joy about to be
Speaker 1: in my house. She's like, what what you mean?
Speaker 5: I'm like, Yo, you understand I met her when I
Speaker 5: was fucking fourteen and now in my house, Like so
Speaker 5: just to see that come full circle, like to meet
Speaker 5: you when we were at Yeah, you were doing an
Speaker 5: in store. I think I like skipped school to come
Speaker 5: see you promote Pendulum Vibe.
Speaker 1: It was her and Jay Row Damn it was coming
Speaker 1: to Weird come. It was both.
Speaker 5: It was both and uh and gangster. Yeah yeah, and
Speaker 5: yeah they came to the store and I was there
Speaker 5: and we saw we were there. We were there to
Speaker 5: see Jay Row and we didn't even know that she
Speaker 5: was coming.
Speaker 1: It was just you know, Jay was like I would
Speaker 1: go see j Row. So then she showed up tall
Speaker 1: with like the orange hair.
Speaker 3: It was like, who is that?
Speaker 5: And so they gave us the Sunshine and the Rain tape.
Speaker 5: It was just the single that was the It was
Speaker 5: like the yellow like orange.
Speaker 3: It was yellow.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was the yellow tape. Were just like, all right,
Speaker 1: what is this? Like all right, well I check it.
Speaker 5: Out and we took it home and it had the
Speaker 5: same It had the song on one side of it
Speaker 5: and the instrument on the other and we used to
Speaker 5: freestyle issue.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Yo, that was it. I was like, we used
Speaker 1: to yeah that instrumental man.
Speaker 3: That's what the guys from you said when I met them.
Speaker 3: We were sitting in the dungeon freestyling this y. When
Speaker 3: I came into the studio, they were like.
Speaker 7: That's the Shining Girl went ship wow.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah.
Speaker 5: So yeah, that was to go from there to actually
Speaker 5: be able to sit and co write and produce a
Speaker 5: record with Joy and that was a great experience.
Speaker 1: I thank you. She enjoy sat on like in my crib,
Speaker 1: Like we was just in my crib and bang. That
Speaker 1: so dope.
Speaker 2: Since we're talking about experiences and recording, I just because
Speaker 2: in my mind you were part of the Equimini like
Speaker 2: recording era, right, were you a part.
Speaker 1: Of the No you came in Aliens.
Speaker 2: No, you came in at Aliens. I was like, yeah,
Speaker 2: because I feel like at some point we would hear
Speaker 2: you in the background.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I am on the album before, I guess I'm
Speaker 3: saying before that. I guess that is what I was saying.
Speaker 3: You asked me specifically about a cuemina.
Speaker 1: Is that what you have?
Speaker 2: I'm asking about that just that time period in Atlanta
Speaker 2: and that feeling. Yeah, I was there, Yeah, and its
Speaker 2: like from an outsider, it just looked like another world
Speaker 2: of heaven, I guess based on the players in that
Speaker 2: whole situation. And I was just curious from your perspective, again,
Speaker 2: that's that's perception.
Speaker 3: But what was it really like? Like during that time
Speaker 3: in Atlanta? Amongst from there was a renaissance happening. That's
Speaker 3: what I'm saying. You know, at that time we.
Speaker 1: Lived for the romantic perception of it. It was delicious,
Speaker 1: like was it like magical time and I went on deep.
Speaker 3: I mean, at times it could be there was some
Speaker 3: magical moment.
Speaker 1: Okay, you have to tell the story.
Speaker 5: The reason why you said you have to tell the
Speaker 5: story and do the impression of Rico singing you may
Speaker 5: die please.
Speaker 1: You don't remember telling you this, but dude, oh god,
Speaker 1: she was.
Speaker 5: She was very, very elevated. But it was the story
Speaker 5: of how Rico had an idea for you may die.
Speaker 3: Organized Away can have amazing ideas about melodies, but ric
Speaker 3: Away cannot see at all, like not at all, and
Speaker 3: so he was trying to.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was so perfect.
Speaker 3: He was trying to, you know, convey how he wanted
Speaker 3: the melody to go. And I feel like he was
Speaker 3: this guy because you know, you can't be sure that's
Speaker 3: how you say. And that was actually Peaches that particular part.
Speaker 3: But as we're you know, Peace's not kind of coming
Speaker 3: up with how we you know go and floated it
Speaker 3: and went.
Speaker 11: And so y'all should do a life you can be
Speaker 11: sure a lot to get Hi, you may learn to.
Speaker 3: You God, you may die or some ship like that,
Speaker 3: and he did, but just completely out of tune. But
Speaker 3: you know what, he kind of means because you can
Speaker 3: and you know what the music is doing, and so
Speaker 3: you like actual week won't he kind of wants it
Speaker 3: like that. So then we end up, you know, pulling,
Speaker 3: get a couple of more lyrics out, and then Peaches
Speaker 3: puts a thing on it and I put the you
Speaker 3: know the backs and can you tell the babies the significance.
Speaker 2: I mean, I was in college when I used to
Speaker 2: see you girls performing and I'm just amazing. But tell
Speaker 2: people the significance of Peaches to the movement the music.
Speaker 3: Well. Wild Peach is a funk rock band from Dallas, Texas,
Speaker 3: comprised of Myrna Screechy, Peach Brown, and David wild Brown.
Speaker 3: Peaches passed in two thousand and seven. Yeah, it's been
Speaker 3: overtemed almost eleven uh Peaches in Atlanta And it was
Speaker 3: interesting because I met Peaches around the same time that
Speaker 3: I met Fishbone.
Speaker 1: Through the.
Speaker 3: Rock lockdown scene, because it was a people don't know
Speaker 3: that Atlanta had a cool ass black rock scene happening
Speaker 3: in the early nineties. There were lots of different bands,
Speaker 3: Naked Truth and Wild Peach and w Liinsteine and follow
Speaker 3: for Now and uh Moby's Trip and Love Joy and
Speaker 3: it was a lot of bands. And because what I
Speaker 3: did live, even though I was classified as R and B,
Speaker 3: what I did live translated as something more like funk rock.
Speaker 3: So I ended up meeting Peaches and becoming really good
Speaker 3: friends with her, and she was just like this.
Speaker 1: She is.
Speaker 3: She was just this incredible performer, incredible writer, incredible vocalist.
Speaker 3: And it happened to be that we bought out really
Speaker 3: good shitting each other and and we worked really well together.
Speaker 3: So we started just lacing you know, people's backs land
Speaker 3: in particular with the guys and the DF because I
Speaker 3: ended up introducing them to introducing Dave and and and
Speaker 3: Peaches to Toda.
Speaker 1: Really yeah, wow, I don't know, yeah, m hm.
Speaker 3: I am the bridge, but yeah, you know, And so
Speaker 3: that's how they ended up linking up. And from the
Speaker 3: initial you know, like it started off with Peacha singing
Speaker 3: backgrounds was with me and with a couple other sisters
Speaker 3: that were kind of interchange out.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 3: Later on Kesa Jackson will come in and she would
Speaker 3: end up being a staple there as well. Later, but
Speaker 3: it was Peach not in the beginning, and that blend
Speaker 3: and that was vocal just all that ship was killed
Speaker 3: but Peaches was you know, on the ground level from
Speaker 3: the building of things, and I bought her with me,
Speaker 3: and once she was you know, got in there, and
Speaker 3: then they were able to check out, you know, the
Speaker 3: band for the themselves and stuff. Then everybody just you know,
Speaker 3: they started loving them too. But they had already been
Speaker 3: doing their Wild Peach thing on the scene in Atlanta,
Speaker 3: and they had had like a major record deal with
Speaker 3: something that didn't you know, one of those things where
Speaker 3: they damn sure didn't know.
Speaker 1: What to do. Damn show didn't anything locally.
Speaker 3: They didn't, but they would do shows and they have
Speaker 3: these incredible ass songs that people still and I think
Speaker 3: Wild is gonna do a full release of a I
Speaker 3: think he's working on something pretty special, I think for
Speaker 3: her and for them, because the the what they brought
Speaker 3: to the table freed all of us up. Because they
Speaker 3: were also a little bit older than us, so they
Speaker 3: had just mold you know, the most seasoning on the
Speaker 3: thing too. But Peachers was a fantastic writer, a fantastic vocalist,
Speaker 3: killer fucking vocal stylist, and unlike you know, anything before
Speaker 3: or since. Yeah, absolutely, she's my sister and I fucking
Speaker 3: miss her. Every day.
Speaker 1: You mentioned something earlier, and I know that a really
Speaker 1: big influence on your life. Uh as far as your
Speaker 1: your your music was Betty Davis, could you talk about
Speaker 1: her influence on you? And have you ever gotten to
Speaker 1: meet her and have it one on one? And you
Speaker 1: never got to meet her? No, she's still Yeah, they're there.
Speaker 1: I mean there's still talks of her life, her bio
Speaker 1: in the movie whatever. But but she's very yeah, extremely reclusive.
Speaker 1: She's sort of like giving notes to the producers of
Speaker 1: the movie, like not in front of them and that
Speaker 1: sort of thing. I think she just wants to remain
Speaker 1: a mystery. But have you made attempts to try to
Speaker 1: or is that one of the heroes that you don't
Speaker 1: I don't ever want to meet my heroes, you know what.
Speaker 3: I don't give a shit about that about the meeting
Speaker 3: of heroes and things like that.
Speaker 1: So you would never like to have to sit down
Speaker 1: with her, and just I would.
Speaker 3: And that's what I'm saying. I don't care. I don't
Speaker 3: have any like, oh my god, that's my hero and
Speaker 3: then you meet them in the point now, because I
Speaker 3: know people with life is fucking crazy. It takes people
Speaker 3: down through that any goddamn thing could happen. Like for
Speaker 3: what I've created about you in my mind, that doesn't
Speaker 3: necessarily mean that that's how you're gonna be in. That's fine.
Speaker 3: I ain't gonna hold it against you. I ain't got
Speaker 3: shit to do with how bad ass that shit was
Speaker 3: that you created and influence it out of me. So
Speaker 3: but yeah, I haven't talked to her. I would love
Speaker 3: to one day when the time is right, but I
Speaker 3: would never want to push that. I wouldn't want none
Speaker 3: of that. I would only wants be able to do
Speaker 3: that if that's something she wanted to do, because I
Speaker 3: know people have tried to get and I like, don't, don't,
Speaker 3: don't do that. Just need to know I'm out here
Speaker 3: and at our rifle.
Speaker 1: Quick quick backdrop for our listeners that don't know Betty
Speaker 1: Davis uh ex wife of Miles Davis. Pretty much. I
Speaker 1: guess you could say it was basically yeah, and and
Speaker 1: sort of what you've been describing as you building the
Speaker 1: Atlanta scene.
Speaker 3: I mean, she she was a connector.
Speaker 1: She was a connector. Yeah, she was extremely important. And
Speaker 1: the funk direction that slide took with theirs a ride
Speaker 1: going on. Actually there's a tattoo on her ass that
Speaker 1: literally says that this ass invented fusion. So yeah, she was.
Speaker 1: She was very key to Miles's bitches brew development and
Speaker 1: on the corner and also with Herbie doing his funk
Speaker 1: stuff with the head Hunters and Chameleons.
Speaker 3: So how many wives did Miles have? I'm just I'm
Speaker 3: trying to place her for She's not one that you
Speaker 3: probably would have seen because people really only talk. It's
Speaker 3: mostly Cicily Tyson that people talk about that he was
Speaker 3: married to, and then maybe the one other who was Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: but people don't really talk about because.
Speaker 1: It was so quick, but she had she had a
Speaker 1: singing career. Kind of weird speaking of the sly thing
Speaker 1: Slide would be so notoriously late to these studio sessions
Speaker 1: that yeah, that basically the Family Stone be chilling like
Speaker 1: this during like the ride going on seventy one period
Speaker 1: that she just come around the studio and sli be
Speaker 1: going for days and missing. And that's basically how the
Speaker 1: Family Stone became her because Greg Erica produced the first album, right, yeah,
Speaker 1: exactly what I mean. But it's Jerry and Cynthia and
Speaker 1: and Freddie Stone. Yeah, yeah, pretty much.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, but but you but I didn't know that
Speaker 3: particular piece. So it's because Slo would be so late
Speaker 3: and shit out to and the baby coming out, and
Speaker 3: she just ended up getting tight with everybody and they
Speaker 3: just stopped playing for her too.
Speaker 1: He'd be going for three four weeks, Mayde be sitting,
Speaker 1: so they was like, all right, let's work on her
Speaker 1: own shit. So that's how that initial album came to be.
Speaker 1: But yeah, like, why did you gravitate towards Did you
Speaker 1: feel the need to like maybe take the time that
Speaker 1: she had?
Speaker 3: And I didn't feel that until I found out about her,
Speaker 3: and I found out about her later in my life.
Speaker 3: I was already grown once I found out about her.
Speaker 3: I found out about her when I was working on
Speaker 3: Amba cleansing syndrome.
Speaker 1: Oh man, that makes sense.
Speaker 3: And Fishbone introduced me to her up but specifically Norwood
Speaker 3: Fish and jb Okay, and they were just like, cause,
Speaker 3: you know, we had been jamming together and doing shit together,
Speaker 3: on the road together and doing all that stuff, and
Speaker 3: it was just like, have you are you familiar with
Speaker 3: Betty Davis? Have you heard that? I was like the actress,
Speaker 3: you know, right, like Kim Curs. They're like no, Miles
Speaker 3: Davis's sex wife, and I was just like no, and
Speaker 3: they were like, hold up. And then they had because
Speaker 3: at that time everybody still had like, you know, cosette
Speaker 3: rare cassettes and ship that they would like keep put on.
Speaker 3: They went back there and pulled out focus sets of
Speaker 3: her ship and the first ship they played for me
Speaker 3: was if I Met Look Good God. And the first
Speaker 3: time I heard I member, I.
Speaker 1: Was just like.
Speaker 3: Mother a Like seriously, it was like a right, like
Speaker 3: some missing link type shit because the only person I
Speaker 3: had really felt connected to like that from when I
Speaker 3: was really little was like Mannie Riperton's voice used to
Speaker 3: do me like that, it resonated, it had a thing
Speaker 3: with me. And then I had a very in depth
Speaker 3: relationship with Sad as a teenager musically, and so there
Speaker 3: were just these things that you know, like there were
Speaker 3: certain but there was always something missing. There was nothing
Speaker 3: outside of like LaBelle and Funkadelic that spoke to like
Speaker 3: the go to all parts of me, but I didn't
Speaker 3: really And I love Tina Turner as well in a
Speaker 3: hardcore way for sure, but I didn't have I didn't
Speaker 3: There was still something missing in terms I hadn't seen
Speaker 3: that other part of myself in anybody else. And when
Speaker 3: I heard that part of myself and anybody else, and
Speaker 3: so when they let me hear that, I was just like, okay,
Speaker 3: So for all the new Beatty Davis people, because now
Speaker 3: I'm in it. I'm in her. You got me. I
Speaker 3: wasn't familiar. Give us a cheesy what's the album that
Speaker 3: you think?
Speaker 2: Like?
Speaker 3: Can you start with the first one. I'll just start
Speaker 3: the title Dave crank it up.
Speaker 1: I start from just three, yeah, four, So.
Speaker 3: I see Nasty Gown. I just want to go to
Speaker 3: it because it's just that's okay. But as start with
Speaker 3: the first, start with the first one, start with that one,
Speaker 3: and then go to the last.
Speaker 1: Albe was she started dating Addicted to Love Robert Palmer?
Speaker 1: Robert Farmer?
Speaker 3: Really that makes sense?
Speaker 1: Yeah, like yeah, oh, she was dating Robert Palmer?
Speaker 3: Like what a minute, But you said addicted to love?
Speaker 1: Well, that's why I was thinking of Robert Palmer. But yes,
Speaker 1: she started dating him, uh seventy eight, seventy nine, and
Speaker 1: he got her a deal on island and they made
Speaker 1: a record and then never released it. A sucker like
Speaker 1: me like went to Bleaker Bob's put a few Benjamins
Speaker 1: on it on the acid Tate. Oh wow, re released
Speaker 1: like two years later.
Speaker 3: I like, originally yeah, but that expanded me and opened
Speaker 3: me up in another kind of way, and I just
Speaker 3: felt instantly like and I saw so much of my
Speaker 3: self in her and in her journey, and I just
Speaker 3: you know, it changed me. It's one of those, you know,
Speaker 3: one of those moments in your life.
Speaker 1: Do you have any aspirations or hopes to at least
Speaker 1: be a part of her biopic or the telling of
Speaker 1: her story or Oh I would love to.
Speaker 3: I would absolutely love to. I would absolutely I would
Speaker 3: like somebody to do the ship before I get to
Speaker 3: go down.
Speaker 1: I have one more question, because I know we got
Speaker 1: a wraps in, but what it seems so obvious to me,
Speaker 1: Why have you not made a complete full album with
Speaker 1: organized noise or would that have been too obvious? Well
Speaker 1: not obvious, like you know, I mean, were you comfort
Speaker 1: with Dallas? You know, like you work well with Dallas?
Speaker 1: And has there ever been a thing like why don't
Speaker 1: you produce your work well.
Speaker 3: With whoever I'm working with, whoever want to work Has
Speaker 3: the conversation ever come up I'm working about them doing
Speaker 3: a whole album.
Speaker 1: They did.
Speaker 3: They did quite a few, you know, they did, but
Speaker 3: not an entire album. But not an entire album. No,
Speaker 3: I've not done an entire album with anybody since Pendlam Black.
Speaker 1: But I do feel that.
Speaker 3: I've worked with different producers on different ships.
Speaker 1: I would have loved to heard their production, and I
Speaker 1: just feel as though, because they did it so well
Speaker 1: with Cast and they did it so well with Goodie
Speaker 1: Mob and stuff.
Speaker 3: It was talk of doing it several times. It just
Speaker 3: didn't happen. It just didn't happen. But that was always talk.
Speaker 1: It was.
Speaker 3: It was talk of a full Joy album. It was
Speaker 3: talk of pil Trick Gangster Click album. It was talk of,
Speaker 3: you know, a full Heroin album, which was me, Peaches
Speaker 3: and Stephanie at the time. It was talks of a well, uh,
Speaker 3: you know, it's been lots of talks. It's just it
Speaker 3: just wasn't something that came to where do.
Speaker 1: Things stand now, just as far as where things are
Speaker 1: with the family, like it's just completely separate. This person's here,
Speaker 1: this person there, this person's up there, this person's down there.
Speaker 3: I mean, then you know, I'm in any situation, I'm
Speaker 3: in it. I'm always the lone wolf. Even if I'm
Speaker 3: family affiliated, I'm still the lone wolf. You know wherever
Speaker 3: I am so, Uh, everybody's good. I don't see everybody.
Speaker 3: I'm out here, you know, everybody else is in Atlanta.
Speaker 3: But everything is fine with the you know, like, people
Speaker 3: are still cool, people still work together, people still talk
Speaker 3: people each other.
Speaker 1: You played me some Sleepy stuff.
Speaker 11: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I don't know when sleep is gonna put his uh
Speaker 3: stuff out, but I think he is gonna do it
Speaker 3: fucking soon. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Oh man, you have to tell us about being a
Speaker 1: bang bang girl.
Speaker 3: Oh what a bang bang girl? Uh? So the cool
Speaker 3: thing that has happened, as like I said, the behind
Speaker 3: the scenes shit is cool. I'm fine with it. Since
Speaker 3: I've been living in LA, one of my cool hustles
Speaker 3: has been, you know, doing vocals for some for a
Speaker 3: lot of pop music, and in particular working with Max Martin.
Speaker 3: I received a call from uh name, who's the homie
Speaker 3: that I grew up with in Nashville who asked me
Speaker 3: to put together three ladies, uh some LaBelle esque type
Speaker 3: vocals h And I said okay, And I made a
Speaker 3: couple of phone calls to some ladies who I knew
Speaker 3: I could sing well with and they were available at
Speaker 3: the time, and we went to a session. We were
Speaker 3: only supposed to do one song for Max Martin and
Speaker 3: it was for something we were working on for Ariana
Speaker 3: Grande when we got there and it turned out to
Speaker 3: be Bang Bang, and so we did that one and
Speaker 3: we ended up doing like four more Jesse j and
Speaker 3: Ariana Grana. So wait a minute, she's singing vocal, so
Speaker 3: we did vocal. I did back back in vocals. So
Speaker 3: I've just been for the last few years. I've had
Speaker 3: some some pretty consistent work doing backs with Max Martin
Speaker 3: with other producers. Are you are you cool with Saya Garrett?
Speaker 3: Y'all have some similar parallel situations. I know Sayda's husband Eric,
Speaker 3: because I know Erica because she was married used to
Speaker 3: be married to my friend KP years ago. Uh huh.
Speaker 3: But I've never met Miss Saida and she's the ship,
Speaker 3: but I've never met her and she's the fucking bond. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and I respect all of her ship and just she's
Speaker 3: just the ship that's like Jesus ship. And maybe I
Speaker 3: have met her once but it was just very in passing.
Speaker 3: It wasn't anything too in depth. But yeah, the bang
Speaker 3: Bang grew Me and tar Stans and and uh uh
Speaker 3: in donbiight ye. So the three of us have been
Speaker 3: doing for the past few years and it's been it's
Speaker 3: been really cool. We haven't done anything in a bit,
Speaker 3: but so happy that y'all are like working and killing it. Yes,
Speaker 3: but we did. We've done a lot and it led
Speaker 3: to other work. So it's like with us doing that
Speaker 3: for him and with that going so well, then it
Speaker 3: was like other people that were reaching out with ship
Speaker 3: those girls and we just end them calling ourselves a
Speaker 3: bang girls because that was the first thing that we
Speaker 3: sung on together, and because Max was calling us statute
Speaker 3: and bragging that he didn't want nobody but the Bank
Speaker 3: Bank girls.
Speaker 1: Thought you were talking.
Speaker 2: Wait though, that's like a whole supergroup, joy hold one.
Speaker 3: Well it is, But you know, girl, we're just gonna
Speaker 3: work checks, dude, I mean check us out individually.
Speaker 1: That's the check you're talking about, joy A. Sorry, final questions.
Speaker 5: The Ray Ray intro, Yeah, that's that's what you have
Speaker 5: been a part of, like two of the greatest intro
Speaker 5: albums intro to albums ever and Ray Ray Thank.
Speaker 3: You, Ray left Me Alone. He was working on that project.
Speaker 3: He just left me in the studio.
Speaker 1: Whatever, dude, can.
Speaker 3: You write me something?
Speaker 1: I was like, and what I said was, I love that.
Speaker 3: I was like, I'm gonna write you. I'm gonna write
Speaker 3: your intro song. I'm gonna write your intro some theme music.
Speaker 3: That's what I said. Like I got me. I was like,
Speaker 3: I'm gonna give you something. It'll be your version. It's like, okay.
Speaker 3: So he left me in then and I wrote to
Speaker 3: making Mighty in l A.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but that's right right.
Speaker 3: We almost had a Joynte duet. Everybody else.
Speaker 1: You can kiss my entire black he is.
Speaker 3: But yeah, that was one I love. That's one of
Speaker 3: my favorite things I've done. It was very funny making it.
Speaker 9: It was and he loved it.
Speaker 3: So I was glad that, you know, glad I was
Speaker 3: able to Was that given?
Speaker 1: Was that after before y'all did I'm So Famous? After
Speaker 1: that was after okay all right? Yeah, that was after
Speaker 1: I thank you that. But I want to infess it
Speaker 1: to the world. Thank you, thank you, I love I'm
Speaker 1: so famous.
Speaker 3: Thank you, Slam the Bombers.
Speaker 1: Yeah, dance Yesterday's dance Yesterday. That's my favorite one.
Speaker 3: Thank you, Thank you.
Speaker 1: Is there a new albumm Yes when when when we sing?
Speaker 3: It was January twenty first, Jerry twenty field. I'm sorry
Speaker 3: my birthday birthday.
Speaker 1: So it's already out now, all right, Yes.
Speaker 2: That's what I'm here.
Speaker 3: It's already yeahend to you. What the album is called, sir,
Speaker 3: Rebecca Holy Love?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Why you changed your Twitter name? I was like,
Speaker 1: must be a new album?
Speaker 3: Is that?
Speaker 1: Is that like a fierce type thing or is there
Speaker 1: a story behind that?
Speaker 3: Well, you know, I'm Tennessee slim. It's just another alias
Speaker 3: Rebecca Savage, Immortal and Righteous Rebecca Holy Love. Us about
Speaker 3: Rebecca Rebecca is the you know, a woman fully realized
Speaker 3: stepping into her Christ's heads face and fully realizing the
Speaker 3: wrong you know, the the not too much difference, uh
Speaker 3: what really almost well, the duality of things. That's what
Speaker 3: she She's a woman who realizes the duality of things.
Speaker 3: And she's forgiving and uh accepting, and she's peaceful and
Speaker 3: she uh resists the confinements of constructs and she'll get
Speaker 3: I mean she could also you know, help you bury
Speaker 3: the body. But she can also she can also you know,
Speaker 3: be your ball and sooth you. She can do that too.
Speaker 3: Thank you.
Speaker 1: Ship Okay, I was hoping to get in there. I
Speaker 1: was like, damn independent, absolutely fantastic.
Speaker 3: M hm mm hmm. We and the fan and got
Speaker 3: a cool little team. We're just gonna keep We're gonna
Speaker 3: take it one step at the time and just keep
Speaker 3: pushing that joker. You're going tour with Forward. I am
Speaker 3: going to to it. I need a booking agent. That's
Speaker 3: what I'm looking for now. I need somebody to book
Speaker 3: these shows.
Speaker 1: All right, from your now to the ears of the
Speaker 1: hardest work. Listening to a podcast that should be Questo Supreme,
Speaker 1: God's favorite podcast. Yes, that's it.
Speaker 3: But I'm excited, and uh, I'm excited about the work
Speaker 3: I produced. H hands on, I produced, I say four
Speaker 3: and I work with brook the Low. Yeah, I mean god, damn,
Speaker 3: y'all didn't respond like that.
Speaker 1: We didn't expect to hear Brooks and Christmas.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 5: We were literally just talking about this before you got here,
Speaker 5: about how like you know, artists, I mean not to
Speaker 5: say they got drafted, well yeah, gotted, and also just
Speaker 5: how like artists that are you know, of the older generation,
Speaker 5: how they need to work with like the new Jacks
Speaker 5: that grew up listening to them, you know, what I'm saying,
Speaker 5: like they need that and you don't.
Speaker 1: You don't really see too much of that now, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean.
Speaker 3: I mean just like half and half. He's one of them,
Speaker 3: and then he's not. You were not that young. He's
Speaker 3: not forty either, But they're the they're the ogs of
Speaker 3: the younger badasses that now exactly they were around to
Speaker 3: see it. They weren't the younger and they're trailblazers and
Speaker 3: kick ass fucking originals, you know. But I'm excited. Brooke
Speaker 3: did an amazing James fantastic.
Speaker 1: Observation on note, this is the first time in all
Speaker 1: these episodes that I've seen Bill get genuinely excited about
Speaker 1: music coming out, Like you awakened something in him that
Speaker 1: has been dead for so long.
Speaker 3: Excited.
Speaker 1: Wow, because he hates everything.
Speaker 3: I mean, I'm and I'm I'm pleased with the album
Speaker 3: is you know, it's fucking bumped. I can't wait for
Speaker 3: the show. It's bumping. It's bass heavy, it's mostly up Temple,
Speaker 3: Ship Jam, mid Temple and up Temple, and it's a
Speaker 3: couple of you know, slow ones. On book is a
Speaker 3: drum smith and a and a and a hardcore techner
Speaker 3: yes he is.
Speaker 5: And for those of those listening that don't know who
Speaker 5: Brook is, he produced Miguel's a Door, right, Yes he did, and.
Speaker 1: I think well he was. It was part of the
Speaker 1: Grammy performance at least.
Speaker 3: But he did.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he produced a gouble of the US.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but but yeah, he's just a ridiculous tunes smith.
Speaker 3: And and it really helped me get my drums together.
Speaker 3: I'm fine with my beats be five, but I needed
Speaker 3: help getting them like chunky, like the sonics of them,
Speaker 3: getting them wide and full.
Speaker 1: He really helped me, saying you take long tedious trump
Speaker 1: sells on stage, just joking anyway, just playing anyway, Joey,
Speaker 1: we thank you. This is this is like our first
Speaker 1: world cover. I feel like I know you now it
Speaker 1: is our first.
Speaker 3: Well, no, this is, I said. Remember we had a
Speaker 3: really great conversation at Dark when I let you listen
Speaker 3: to Star.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, you can talk about that record at all.
Speaker 1: We didn't need to start kitting that was that was
Speaker 1: record you and rafter he know he did. Tennessee, he
Speaker 1: was exactly producer. That's one of my favorite one.
Speaker 3: He said. Well, Tennessee, sim is the bond, he says,
Speaker 3: and this is out of his mouth. He says, I
Speaker 3: didn't produce that record. I just played bass on a
Speaker 3: couple of songs, That's.
Speaker 9: What he said.
Speaker 10: That's nice.
Speaker 3: And he says, you produced that record, and I did.
Speaker 3: And I am like that with all of my projects.
Speaker 3: But I choose wisely on who I choose to work
Speaker 3: with because they bring out the best in me and
Speaker 3: I them. So I appreciate Ray for that. But yeah,
Speaker 3: Tennse simm was one of my favorite. Now that was half.
Speaker 3: Some of it was Dallas, some of it was Organized Noise,
Speaker 3: some of it was Raphael and this other cat. I
Speaker 3: can't even remember that brother's name right now, Andre something fuck,
Speaker 3: I don't remember. But those were the people that worked
Speaker 3: on Star Kitty. So I was already out from under
Speaker 3: Dallas at that.
Speaker 1: Time, and.
Speaker 3: I'm glad to be here. I'm glad I was here.
Speaker 3: It was fun.
Speaker 1: Thank you. Well, you're awesome too.
Speaker 3: Thank you, and I appreciate it. We think the look amazing.
Speaker 3: I can't see you here, so I just want everybody.
Speaker 1: To know we'll get all the looks.
Speaker 3: Andre Betts, Andre Betts, thank you, and brother and b
Speaker 3: T T T and human Nature. I'm like, wait and
Speaker 3: Bets he did get.
Speaker 1: On okay on the album Yeah we got him Andre
Speaker 1: Betts all right well, or be half of the team
Speaker 1: Supreme fan take a little uh boss Billy and our
Speaker 1: guests Joy, Thank you very much. Thank you for the
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Speaker 2: Thank you Coco, because we are bringing out the year
Speaker 2: with a female engineer.
Speaker 3: Bam.
Speaker 1: All right, y'all, or when we have a Team Supreme.
Speaker 1: This is Quest Love Man. We'll see you on the
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