WEBVTT - QLS Classic: Joi 0:00:00.280 --> 0:00:03.680 Of course, Love Supreme is a production of iHeartRadio. This 0:00:03.720 --> 0:00:06.920 classic episode was produced by the team at Pandora. 0:00:08.520 --> 0:00:12.400 What Up, QLs fam, It's like yam and This QLs 0:00:12.400 --> 0:00:15.120 classic takes us back to a time when the whole 0:00:15.160 --> 0:00:18.759 crew went to Los Angeles did a few interviews. 0:00:18.760 --> 0:00:20.880 Oh, but this one right here is special. I'm talking 0:00:20.880 --> 0:00:21.640 about Joy. 0:00:22.079 --> 0:00:26.120 Yes, I'm taking you back to February fourteenth, twenty eighteen, 0:00:26.480 --> 0:00:29.560 where we sat down with Joy, singer, songwriter, producer. She 0:00:29.600 --> 0:00:32.920 talks about her debut album, how a Change, the direction 0:00:32.960 --> 0:00:37.520 of Madonna's Bedtime Stories, working with Fishbone and her spart 0:00:37.560 --> 0:00:40.480 in the Dungeon Family Treat, and so much more. 0:00:41.080 --> 0:00:41.760 Check this out. 0:00:52.760 --> 0:00:59.640 Supreme Suck Suck Supremo role called Suprema su su Supremo role, 0:01:00.560 --> 0:01:04.280 Supremack Supremo role called. 0:01:04.400 --> 0:01:09.640 Suprema Suck Supreme. I just got me feeling pressure. Yeah, 0:01:09.880 --> 0:01:15.320 I'm going insane. Yeah, No Joy, Frankie Beverly reference, Yeah, Sunshine. 0:01:16.400 --> 0:01:23.280 Supreme, Supremo road called Suprema Son Son, Suprema Road. 0:01:23.720 --> 0:01:27.520 Quants in the building. Yeah, y'all know what I'm about. Yeah, 0:01:27.640 --> 0:01:28.960 I made a record with Joy. 0:01:29.319 --> 0:01:39.600 Yeah, in my house, Suprema roll Call Supremack Supreme road call. 0:01:39.800 --> 0:01:43.880 My name is Sugar Boy. I'm your boy boy. I 0:01:44.080 --> 0:01:47.240 bring you joy boy, I bring you a joy. 0:01:47.440 --> 0:01:47.600 Yeah. 0:01:50.240 --> 0:01:57.600 Supreme dumb so Supreme Role still is here. Yeah, I'm 0:01:57.600 --> 0:02:00.560 trying to find a rhyme. Yeah, but I'm acid too, 0:02:00.720 --> 0:02:02.680 like yah, yeah, because I ran out of time. 0:02:04.280 --> 0:02:11.320 Supremo Something Supremo, roll call Supreme something Supreme roll. 0:02:13.160 --> 0:02:17.600 Yeah, and I'm a little nervous. Yeah, motherfucking joy my 0:02:17.720 --> 0:02:18.480 first rod girl. 0:02:18.360 --> 0:02:27.120 Crush Supremo, roll call, Supremo something Supremo roll. 0:02:27.639 --> 0:02:30.519 Sometimes they call me kitty yeah. Sometimes they call me 0:02:30.600 --> 0:02:34.440 pussy yeah. Sometimes they call me sugar Yeah. But today 0:02:34.480 --> 0:02:34.920 I'm gonna be. 0:02:34.960 --> 0:02:51.000 Joy Supremo, roll call, Supremo, Suppremeo, Role, Suprema something something Suppreme. 0:02:50.560 --> 0:02:51.480 My roll call. 0:02:55.000 --> 0:02:56.239 Wo Thank God that's. 0:02:58.639 --> 0:02:59.320 Free Styllar. 0:02:59.880 --> 0:03:01.000 I'm a little rusty on that. 0:03:01.280 --> 0:03:01.760 I'm awful. 0:03:02.160 --> 0:03:03.440 Yeah. You can tell it's been a minute. 0:03:04.200 --> 0:03:05.400 Black Dog. Everybody looking bad? 0:03:05.600 --> 0:03:10.720 Yeah, exactly. Yeah, Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to another episode 0:03:11.120 --> 0:03:14.000 of Quest Love Supreme. Uh, Quest Love and the House 0:03:14.040 --> 0:03:22.040 We got Teams Supreme. Hello, people going, man, I was 0:03:22.080 --> 0:03:23.400 about say have a New York I was like, no, 0:03:23.520 --> 0:03:26.040 that's totally wrong. I don't know, you know it's gonna air, 0:03:26.080 --> 0:03:28.200 but no, I'm good Man happy in La. 0:03:29.120 --> 0:03:31.560 Yeah, history monk, we have to say black history mon 0:03:31.639 --> 0:03:33.280 something I think maybe I don't know what might be 0:03:33.360 --> 0:03:35.240 Black history, might be March, who knows. 0:03:35.520 --> 0:03:37.520 And yeah, we we have to mention that we are 0:03:37.840 --> 0:03:43.840 broadcasting line from the illustrious uh Westlake Audio Recording Studios. 0:03:44.360 --> 0:03:48.560 Uh house. That the house that Michael Jaxon thriller money 0:03:48.600 --> 0:03:51.320 built this house. Yeah, we're actually if you if you've 0:03:51.360 --> 0:03:55.400 seen the Michael Jackson UH Bad twenty five documentary, we 0:03:55.520 --> 0:04:01.200 are literally in the spot where like him and. 0:04:01.320 --> 0:04:04.840 Stevie and Gary, they said that's where he wrote the 0:04:04.920 --> 0:04:06.160 piano was where Yeah. 0:04:06.040 --> 0:04:09.280 The piano, the girl's mind pianos behind us. I believe 0:04:09.320 --> 0:04:12.880 that Bruce would Dean built this. This uh kind of 0:04:13.280 --> 0:04:15.640 looks like a pyramid esque looking. 0:04:15.520 --> 0:04:16.920 Uh uh. 0:04:19.480 --> 0:04:26.560 You call what we're just you're engineers. It's a stage. Yeah, okay, well, 0:04:26.880 --> 0:04:30.200 I mean you gotta come up more colorful. It's a 0:04:30.320 --> 0:04:35.000 nice stage. That's it's sort of like a booth, but 0:04:35.240 --> 0:04:38.200 sort of. It's very unusual. Anyway, watch the Bad twenty 0:04:38.240 --> 0:04:41.040 five Incredible stage one of the best stages of h 0:04:41.960 --> 0:04:43.920 but it's kind of cool to be here because even 0:04:44.240 --> 0:04:46.760 well bad was recorded here. Young other things in the 0:04:46.960 --> 0:04:50.559 uh the Atlantis, Moore said, helm jagged little pill. Wow, 0:04:50.960 --> 0:04:54.039 what's done here? I'm I'm sure millions of a million 0:04:54.080 --> 0:04:56.760 of things. We have a special guest with us today. 0:04:58.000 --> 0:05:01.600 I will say that I could probably name three people 0:05:01.720 --> 0:05:10.160 in history that kind of face the the the burden 0:05:10.880 --> 0:05:17.200 of being way before their time from you know, Shuggio 0:05:17.320 --> 0:05:20.440 is just one of those people. Betty Davis is definitely 0:05:20.440 --> 0:05:23.240 one of those people. And I feel as though our 0:05:23.320 --> 0:05:28.640 guest today is definitely so ahead of her time because 0:05:28.680 --> 0:05:34.239 everything that she's ever done, other people have graciously walked 0:05:34.279 --> 0:05:38.480 through joint well I mean, you know, I mean unfortunately 0:05:38.520 --> 0:05:41.240 in life, some people have to pave the red carpet 0:05:41.920 --> 0:05:44.440 or part to see for other people to walk through 0:05:44.480 --> 0:05:49.760 effortlessly and sometimes never get the credit for it. Exactly. 0:05:49.880 --> 0:05:53.599 Somebody got inspired those bedtime stories exactly, so the greatest 0:05:53.640 --> 0:05:54.880 machete carry of all time. 0:05:54.960 --> 0:05:57.839 Ladies and gentlemen, please welcome to the show. Jorge Gilly. 0:06:02.120 --> 0:06:02.840 Good to be here with you. 0:06:03.279 --> 0:06:05.760 I'm really glad you're here. You know, we we've been 0:06:06.880 --> 0:06:10.960 for a long time, crossing paths and touring with each other. 0:06:11.080 --> 0:06:14.800 But this, this is the conversation I've been dying to 0:06:14.880 --> 0:06:19.360 have with you forever, because you know, I have so 0:06:19.480 --> 0:06:24.320 many questions about your the path and the trail that 0:06:24.440 --> 0:06:29.960 you blazed and and the after effects of it. 0:06:30.760 --> 0:06:32.240 Yeah, let's talk about it. 0:06:32.640 --> 0:06:37.039 Let's talk about I feel there's a. 0:06:37.040 --> 0:06:51.240 Police right, that's one of my favorite So where where? 0:06:51.400 --> 0:06:53.920 For our listeners that don't know where? Where are you? 0:06:54.000 --> 0:06:55.200 Where were you born? Where are you from? 0:06:55.400 --> 0:06:57.479 I was born in Nashville, Tennessee. 0:06:58.000 --> 0:07:01.120 Hey, Nashville, that is where it? Because I thought you 0:07:01.240 --> 0:07:04.440 were born. And I'm the king of assuming that our 0:07:04.520 --> 0:07:12.720 guests are born in certain places. But you're not born 0:07:12.760 --> 0:07:13.080 in Atlanta. 0:07:13.120 --> 0:07:14.120 Where did you think I was born? 0:07:14.640 --> 0:07:15.800 I thought you were born in Atlanta? 0:07:15.880 --> 0:07:18.480 Did you That's not a hard That's not bad though, 0:07:18.520 --> 0:07:20.840 a lot of people think because I spent so much 0:07:20.920 --> 0:07:21.400 time there. 0:07:21.680 --> 0:07:24.280 I guess Tennessee kitty, every Tennessee. 0:07:25.440 --> 0:07:28.200 You know. I was always Tennessee slim, all right? So 0:07:28.520 --> 0:07:31.240 you you wrapped yourself, wrapped myself, but I wrapped you 0:07:31.320 --> 0:07:34.800 know a time down also were born and raised that tense. 0:07:35.200 --> 0:07:38.320 You're born there? Okay? So what was what was your 0:07:38.440 --> 0:07:40.080 childhood music environment? 0:07:40.240 --> 0:07:52.560 Like well, I uh, I had a pretty intensive love 0:07:52.600 --> 0:07:57.680 affair with music early on. My mama had album she 0:07:57.760 --> 0:08:00.560 had a friend and worked at a as a DJ 0:08:00.760 --> 0:08:02.440 or something. My mom had a bunch of hustles when 0:08:02.480 --> 0:08:06.320 I was growing up to uh that made me feel 0:08:06.320 --> 0:08:09.960 like we were rich, even though we weren't. Hindsight looking back, 0:08:10.040 --> 0:08:13.320 we were absolutely not rich. But my mom worked hard, 0:08:13.480 --> 0:08:16.640 and I UH felt I had you know, things at 0:08:16.720 --> 0:08:19.640 my at my access. And so my mom uh had 0:08:19.680 --> 0:08:21.720 a DJ friend and had a bunch of albums and stuff, 0:08:21.720 --> 0:08:24.000 and I would go through those albums and listen to 'em. 0:08:24.080 --> 0:08:26.320 And when I was really really little and my parents 0:08:26.360 --> 0:08:30.200 were still together, Daddy listened to a lot of Johnny 0:08:30.200 --> 0:08:34.960 guitar watching and yes, and my daddy played UH pro 0:08:34.960 --> 0:08:37.599 a while when I was little. So we had a 0:08:37.640 --> 0:08:41.040 little w W you know, young your father was on 0:08:41.160 --> 0:08:46.839 the stillness right, he was, oh he's quarterbackfather too. W 0:08:46.960 --> 0:08:50.760 And my granddaddy was a very uh well respected uh 0:08:51.200 --> 0:08:55.199 college football coach. He was he's in there in the 0:08:55.240 --> 0:08:55.720 Hall of fame. 0:08:56.000 --> 0:08:58.800 Actually, when you were young, did you know that your 0:08:58.880 --> 0:09:01.120 dad was, did you know who he was? 0:09:01.280 --> 0:09:01.319 Like? 0:09:01.400 --> 0:09:02.719 Did you know y'all kind of had it good. 0:09:04.200 --> 0:09:09.160 Well, we had it good as you know, that's relative relative. 0:09:11.120 --> 0:09:13.480 I recognize. I knew that he was talented. I knew 0:09:13.520 --> 0:09:16.920 that people uh respected him a lot. I knew that 0:09:17.200 --> 0:09:18.400 he had done some great things. 0:09:18.880 --> 0:09:20.439 So he grew up in a football environment. 0:09:20.520 --> 0:09:23.480 I grew up in a football a heavy football environment, so. 0:09:23.559 --> 0:09:26.000 Like weekends were like holidays. 0:09:26.080 --> 0:09:30.079 And but my family is very woman heavy also. But 0:09:30.240 --> 0:09:34.920 the men in my family, a lot of them played football, 0:09:35.040 --> 0:09:39.719 worked in football, so it was just, you know, the 0:09:39.800 --> 0:09:42.959 women embraced it as well. But I didn't have to 0:09:43.120 --> 0:09:44.959 be all up in it if I didn't want to be. 0:09:45.080 --> 0:09:47.880 But it was deeply entrenched in the culture of me 0:09:48.040 --> 0:09:52.240 growing up, particularly HBCU football, because my grandfather was coach 0:09:52.320 --> 0:09:56.199 at Tennessee State, Okay, and my dad was you know, 0:09:56.400 --> 0:09:59.120 a star player at Tennessee State as well. So the 0:09:59.160 --> 0:10:04.520 Gilliam Yeah, the weight of the Gilliam name in Tennessee 0:10:04.559 --> 0:10:06.959 State was like a you know, it's a lot of weight. 0:10:07.320 --> 0:10:08.040 That meant something. 0:10:08.200 --> 0:10:11.120 Yeah, it meant something. Did after them, I went there 0:10:11.160 --> 0:10:13.560 for a hot second, for a high second, I went 0:10:13.600 --> 0:10:15.520 to Tennessee State a whole semester. 0:10:17.240 --> 0:10:23.920 Wow, you have a playing. 0:10:25.880 --> 0:10:27.640 And all of that is such a blur like I 0:10:27.720 --> 0:10:33.320 barely even remember, but I don't want to neglect quest 0:10:33.360 --> 0:10:35.040 asking me about the music, though, I don't want to 0:10:35.040 --> 0:10:37.480 neglect that part. It was a lot of P funk 0:10:37.800 --> 0:10:40.360 and a lot of LaBelle, and it was a M radio, 0:10:40.760 --> 0:10:43.880 which back then kind of mixed blue eyes so and 0:10:45.120 --> 0:10:51.839 uh and you know, uh root soul as well, and 0:10:52.040 --> 0:10:55.319 so that was constantly you know, playing it was it was. 0:10:55.440 --> 0:10:57.959 It was a constant diet of that. And my parents 0:10:58.000 --> 0:11:01.240 were young, and so my mom would take me to 0:11:01.320 --> 0:11:05.319 concerts with her. I saw The Mothership Land when I 0:11:05.480 --> 0:11:10.840 was six, and because Solid Bell performed at War Memorial Auditorium. 0:11:10.400 --> 0:11:14.559 When just because of your your musical openness and all 0:11:14.600 --> 0:11:17.520 the risks that you've taken and stuff, I was like, well, 0:11:18.880 --> 0:11:23.400 certainly in your your formative years you had to have 0:11:23.720 --> 0:11:25.640 adapted to this early. I mean there's some people that 0:11:25.840 --> 0:11:28.520 like either you know, for beat makers, you know, they'll 0:11:28.600 --> 0:11:32.040 start collecting records and then discover like their uncle's records 0:11:32.120 --> 0:11:35.160 or something like that. But you know, I always felt 0:11:35.240 --> 0:11:40.440 as though you might have gotten miss education super early. 0:11:40.760 --> 0:11:43.560 Are you where do you fall in the sibling line? 0:11:43.720 --> 0:11:43.920 Are you? 0:11:44.280 --> 0:11:44.920 I'm the oldest? 0:11:45.679 --> 0:11:48.480 Okay, then that's something weird because normally the youngest of 0:11:48.600 --> 0:11:53.000 the brood gets the trickle down, and I'm. 0:11:52.880 --> 0:11:56.800 The oldest on some like, I was mostly an only child. 0:11:58.400 --> 0:12:02.199 It's weird no cousins to lots of big cousins. 0:12:02.280 --> 0:12:06.360 But I just I was always a little bit you're 0:12:06.440 --> 0:12:09.280 just adventures, yeah, and a little bit different from my 0:12:09.440 --> 0:12:13.559 other the things that interest me, which is different than 0:12:13.800 --> 0:12:16.439 everybody else. Was kind of thinking about I don't know, 0:12:16.559 --> 0:12:19.079 future and getting married and things like that, and I 0:12:19.200 --> 0:12:23.240 was just thinking, how to, you know, just go deeper 0:12:23.280 --> 0:12:26.000 into the funk and expand my mind. 0:12:30.640 --> 0:12:34.840 Querious, I knew it. Okay, that's what she's five days 0:12:34.840 --> 0:12:43.440 from us. Yeah, but she was born like nineteen ninety. 0:12:47.000 --> 0:12:48.679 She was one where I came out. 0:12:54.080 --> 0:12:55.280 Yeah, okay, but. 0:12:57.080 --> 0:13:00.800 Yeah, we'll just know, we'll go with it. 0:13:01.720 --> 0:13:03.600 But yeah, I just was a little bit different from 0:13:03.600 --> 0:13:05.679 my cousins. But still not a not a not a 0:13:06.160 --> 0:13:09.720 not a secluded or introverted or weird old kid per se. 0:13:09.800 --> 0:13:16.559 But absolutely Yeah, but that developed a little more I 0:13:16.679 --> 0:13:19.719 think later. I was a little more risk taking. Like 0:13:19.760 --> 0:13:22.320 I remember smoking some cigarettes and ship at the house 0:13:22.440 --> 0:13:25.280 when I was little, like six years old. Like my 0:13:25.360 --> 0:13:27.280 cousin made me love some cigarettes there, like maybe I 0:13:27.360 --> 0:13:29.080 smoked them and I don't know how I ended up 0:13:29.720 --> 0:13:31.599 being able to even light it and do it, but 0:13:31.640 --> 0:13:33.560 I remember them like finding me and being like, let 0:13:33.600 --> 0:13:37.599 me tell your brother, smoke cloud coming out of my 0:13:37.679 --> 0:13:39.280 mouth when I'm like six and I was in trouble 0:13:39.440 --> 0:13:42.520 and even like with you know, just all of my 0:13:42.600 --> 0:13:46.640 interactions were a little different growing up. I had two 0:13:46.720 --> 0:13:51.640 boyfriends in kindergarten the same time. Yes, I mean, you 0:13:51.679 --> 0:13:53.520 know what I mean, and fine with it. Yeah, he was, 0:13:54.160 --> 0:13:56.920 you know what I mean. So there's that I just 0:13:57.040 --> 0:13:59.400 I don't know, I was just but I got in 0:13:59.480 --> 0:14:02.640 trouble for because we were you know kind of uh, 0:14:04.200 --> 0:14:06.199 I was just ahead of the curve. There was certain 0:14:06.320 --> 0:14:09.839 things that are like natural explorations for little people that 0:14:09.960 --> 0:14:12.920 all little people do, but I think my understanding of 0:14:13.040 --> 0:14:16.920 them as a little person was much keener. And I 0:14:17.000 --> 0:14:20.960 think because it was much keener I had, I recognized 0:14:21.000 --> 0:14:23.000 that it wasn't as keen for everybody else, and I 0:14:23.080 --> 0:14:24.880 think that kind of made me realize you might be 0:14:24.920 --> 0:14:28.640 a little different. So, you know, in any interaction, no 0:14:28.720 --> 0:14:30.520 matter what it was, you know, it was just a 0:14:30.600 --> 0:14:33.000 little bit here with it and everybody else might have 0:14:33.040 --> 0:14:34.320 been kind of like right there, so then I would 0:14:34.320 --> 0:14:35.840 try to kind of backpale and kind of be back 0:14:35.880 --> 0:14:39.000 there everybody else. But that didn't you know that only way? 0:14:39.800 --> 0:14:43.440 How did you express it? Like work? Did you have 0:14:44.000 --> 0:14:45.680 bands in high school or that sort of thing. 0:14:45.800 --> 0:14:47.880 I didn't do that, but I did sing in high school. 0:14:47.920 --> 0:14:50.080 So I was, you know, doing some challenge shows and 0:14:50.200 --> 0:14:54.720 won some challenge shows and was a dancer for like 0:14:54.840 --> 0:14:58.040 thirteen years to when your family know you could sing. 0:14:58.480 --> 0:15:01.640 When I was little little, probably like maybe four or five, 0:15:03.280 --> 0:15:06.440 my grandmother used to belong to a lady social group 0:15:06.520 --> 0:15:07.760 called the Beautiful Lily. 0:15:09.680 --> 0:15:10.920 That is so black and something. 0:15:15.360 --> 0:15:19.200 I just lovely ladies. They bring you know, it's popla. 0:15:19.400 --> 0:15:23.680 They bring a dish. They played Pikino and Vinga and 0:15:24.000 --> 0:15:26.000 uh and I remember singing you Light of My Life 0:15:26.480 --> 0:15:26.960 for them. 0:15:30.800 --> 0:15:34.480 Something. That song was number one for like one hundred weeks. 0:15:36.880 --> 0:15:40.360 Wait speaking which you Okay, if you ever get the chance, 0:15:41.120 --> 0:15:44.520 Jimmy cast A Bunch has Yeah, if you want to 0:15:44.560 --> 0:15:47.880 see if you can see Fante's eyebrows like just the gun, 0:15:48.000 --> 0:15:53.240 Jimmy cases that Jimmy cast Bunch has a one of 0:15:53.280 --> 0:15:56.920 the most jaw dropping versions of you light Up My Life. 0:15:57.240 --> 0:15:59.800 That's hilarious, like in a bad way, like it's it's, 0:16:00.800 --> 0:16:06.600 it's it's in a very good and terrible Brandy Watson 0:16:08.280 --> 0:16:13.320 with the saxophone too, because saxophone, saxophone. You gotta pet 0:16:13.400 --> 0:16:15.320 You Light on My Life by the Jimmy Cast a 0:16:15.400 --> 0:16:25.920 Bunch produced by Billy Davis Jr. I'm thinking that was 0:16:27.080 --> 0:16:27.640 That's what I was thinking. 0:16:28.160 --> 0:16:31.160 Dimension I sang you light Up My Life in third 0:16:31.240 --> 0:16:33.880 grade to to win this girl's heart, like I stood 0:16:33.960 --> 0:16:36.840 up and find everybody and sang that and and stole 0:16:36.880 --> 0:16:37.800 her away from the souther. 0:16:38.520 --> 0:16:43.160 It works, It really worked. Yet sound wait second or 0:16:43.200 --> 0:16:50.280 third grade something? Oh my god, forgive me okay, see you. 0:16:51.000 --> 0:16:55.840 That's the piano from I don't believe it. Just make no, 0:16:55.960 --> 0:16:56.640 that's true. That's the. 0:16:58.560 --> 0:16:58.840 Line. 0:16:58.880 --> 0:17:01.720 I don't believe it is from now And that's the 0:17:01.880 --> 0:17:06.680 never mind. That's the piano there is that damn quick 0:17:07.880 --> 0:17:11.320 quest love Supreme. Yeah you're a nerd? Yeah hell now 0:17:11.920 --> 0:17:13.320 get ready. Maybe I didn't warn you. 0:17:13.359 --> 0:17:16.960 About this before, no warning, but I figured it would 0:17:17.000 --> 0:17:19.080 have to be if it was y'all two together, because 0:17:19.080 --> 0:17:21.600 I'm familiar with your nerd and I'm familiar with quest nerds, 0:17:22.440 --> 0:17:25.480 and I figured this, Yeah, I think it was gonna be. 0:17:25.640 --> 0:17:30.240 We used the exelon you know, I sang in my 0:17:30.320 --> 0:17:37.280 life in third grade nerd know there's nerd geek and 0:17:40.119 --> 0:17:43.520 I love it. So you So you didn't have any bands. 0:17:43.320 --> 0:17:44.639 Or anything, so not bands. 0:17:44.720 --> 0:17:44.760 No. 0:17:44.920 --> 0:17:48.400 I worked with after winning the Talent show and because 0:17:48.440 --> 0:17:52.320 I was in tenth grade and I sung everything must change, 0:17:53.000 --> 0:17:55.879 oh of course, and then I also now here's a. 0:17:55.880 --> 0:17:57.840 Fun Apollo classic everything. 0:17:59.520 --> 0:18:04.919 With my The pianists that accompanied me was Gary Jenkins, 0:18:04.960 --> 0:18:07.240 who was a little g from Silk Yeah. 0:18:08.840 --> 0:18:09.760 Wow, and. 0:18:11.359 --> 0:18:16.200 He went to Tennessee set. He's an amazing piano player, 0:18:16.560 --> 0:18:20.640 like ridiculous, and he used to do all the funerals 0:18:20.680 --> 0:18:24.240 and wits and saying people's churches and you know, all 0:18:24.280 --> 0:18:26.439 of that stuff around Nashville because he's from Nashville too, 0:18:26.960 --> 0:18:29.320 and uh, and so he was my accompanyment and he 0:18:29.400 --> 0:18:33.240 and I do edit. Uh. We started off with Nobody 0:18:33.320 --> 0:18:36.840 Loves Me Like you Do, and then we segued into 0:18:37.400 --> 0:18:40.280 everything wow and I want to tell the show. But 0:18:40.320 --> 0:18:43.120 after that I started working with some producers in Nashville 0:18:43.160 --> 0:18:44.720 and got in the studio. So that was when first 0:18:44.760 --> 0:18:46.119 when I first went to the studio, I guess I 0:18:46.160 --> 0:18:46.879 was about sixteen. 0:18:48.000 --> 0:18:50.160 You know, I know that Nashville is in music city 0:18:50.240 --> 0:18:53.159 but also primarily known as a kind of a country 0:18:53.280 --> 0:18:56.400 country music. Yeah, but I know that songwriters down there 0:18:56.880 --> 0:19:01.440 is Is there any sort of at least when I 0:19:01.520 --> 0:19:05.120 say urban, I mean like to the to the sort 0:19:05.119 --> 0:19:08.720 of cosmic funk level that you're on and that you 0:19:08.800 --> 0:19:11.399 brought to the Atlantic community. Was there any of that 0:19:11.520 --> 0:19:13.040 sort of culture in Tennessee at all? 0:19:13.240 --> 0:19:16.960 Not really, But I also feel like Nashville was a 0:19:17.000 --> 0:19:20.800 place that was sort of ripe for getting whatever you 0:19:20.920 --> 0:19:23.639 wanted to get. There were things lots and lots of 0:19:24.680 --> 0:19:28.040 lots and lots of cultural diversity that came artistic cultural 0:19:28.080 --> 0:19:32.120 diversity that came through Nashville back then. So my mom, 0:19:32.320 --> 0:19:34.840 because I was, you know, a dancer and I enjoyed 0:19:34.920 --> 0:19:37.000 theater and I sang and stuff, my mom always had 0:19:37.080 --> 0:19:39.119 me very plugged into all the stuff that was happening 0:19:39.160 --> 0:19:41.760 in the city. So it's really more so a blend 0:19:42.000 --> 0:19:46.960 of all of what I was, you know, being exposed 0:19:46.960 --> 0:19:49.679 to at the time. Lots of theater, lots of dance, 0:19:49.840 --> 0:19:53.040 and lots of you know, music by my choosing by 0:19:53.119 --> 0:19:56.239 my own hand and whatever was on AM radio at 0:19:56.280 --> 0:19:59.360 the time. But in terms of a scene like you're 0:19:59.400 --> 0:20:02.040 talking about, no, that wasn't happening. 0:20:02.400 --> 0:20:04.359 What was it that got you into dance? How did 0:20:04.400 --> 0:20:06.080 you I just was. 0:20:06.640 --> 0:20:08.680 Always dancing and shit when I was little, and my 0:20:08.800 --> 0:20:12.200 mom put me in in la that's what mama's doing. 0:20:12.320 --> 0:20:12.800 Yeah, okay. 0:20:12.800 --> 0:20:14.520 And she also felt like I was a little clumsy 0:20:15.440 --> 0:20:18.280 when I was little, and when I was very small, 0:20:18.359 --> 0:20:20.560 she thought I was clumsy, and so she wanted me 0:20:20.640 --> 0:20:23.560 to be graceful, and so she put me in That's 0:20:23.640 --> 0:20:24.160 what she said. 0:20:24.280 --> 0:20:26.800 She didn't do the combo, the ballet, jazz tap, I 0:20:26.880 --> 0:20:27.119 did that. 0:20:27.280 --> 0:20:29.320 That came later, but the root of it, it started 0:20:29.359 --> 0:20:31.440 with ballet. The jazz and all that came once she 0:20:31.560 --> 0:20:34.080 really saw that I had taken to the dance, okay. 0:20:34.240 --> 0:20:37.000 And so probably in about maybe third grade, I started 0:20:37.080 --> 0:20:40.159 taking like modern and jazz and tap and all that. 0:20:40.359 --> 0:20:43.359 But from like little girl, like three years old to 0:20:43.520 --> 0:20:47.879 like sixteen, I was like ballet with some jazz and 0:20:47.960 --> 0:20:49.520 tap and stuff, you know, mixed in. 0:20:50.040 --> 0:20:52.400 So when did you leave Tennessee? 0:20:52.680 --> 0:20:57.399 I left Nashville, I guess technically I left when I 0:20:57.440 --> 0:21:00.520 went to Memphis State in eighty nine, but still kind 0:21:00.520 --> 0:21:02.200 of coming back and forth because I also went to 0:21:02.240 --> 0:21:04.760 Tennessee State, like I said, for a semester. I guess 0:21:04.840 --> 0:21:10.080 I was officially left Nashville probably in let's say ninety three. 0:21:10.480 --> 0:21:12.120 Officially ninety two, ninety three. 0:21:12.440 --> 0:21:17.399 Oh man, but wait that was the year year, now, Pendlum, 0:21:17.400 --> 0:21:18.240 I was ninety ninety four. 0:21:18.400 --> 0:21:21.600 Pen Bob came out. I think it dropped in ninety four, 0:21:21.720 --> 0:21:25.760 but in ninety three. I think that's how that worked. 0:21:25.800 --> 0:21:28.840 I was working on it in ninety three, Okay, So 0:21:28.920 --> 0:21:31.440 I moved to Atlanta like top of ninety three, and 0:21:31.560 --> 0:21:34.600 like by that summer I was working on Penmambot. 0:21:34.840 --> 0:21:38.480 Wow, So why, well, I want to go. Why what 0:21:38.720 --> 0:21:40.159 drew you to Atlanta? Why would you? 0:21:40.840 --> 0:21:41.000 Now? 0:21:41.520 --> 0:21:45.720 In ninety two, Dallas Austin came to Nashville, Okay, and 0:21:45.840 --> 0:21:50.600 he was working on at that time, Holland Placed Monsters. Yeah. Yeah, 0:21:50.840 --> 0:21:54.800 And so TLC was just like bubbling, like just going kaboom. 0:21:54.960 --> 0:21:56.760 ABC was doing their thing and stuff. And so I 0:21:56.880 --> 0:21:59.800 ended up meeting him at a studio there and we 0:22:00.200 --> 0:22:03.160 hit it off instantly. I told him I was a songwriter. 0:22:04.080 --> 0:22:07.399 I didn't say singer, cause I thought songwriter was just 0:22:07.560 --> 0:22:14.280 more I'm serious about my shit, right, and uh, and 0:22:14.359 --> 0:22:15.760 I played on some of my little songs on a 0:22:15.760 --> 0:22:17.959 little demo tape and shit, one of which was Narcisse 0:22:17.960 --> 0:22:22.800 Acuity Pie at the time, and some other stuff that 0:22:22.960 --> 0:22:24.800 was on there, and we just hit it off, and 0:22:24.960 --> 0:22:26.879 I knew that he was from Atlanta, and we stayed 0:22:26.920 --> 0:22:29.280 in touch, and he was like, I'm really gonna be 0:22:29.359 --> 0:22:30.800 hitting you up so we can do some stuff, and 0:22:30.840 --> 0:22:35.240 I was kind of like whatever, And and then I 0:22:35.400 --> 0:22:36.800 just knew that it was time for me to do 0:22:36.920 --> 0:22:39.800 something different and leave Nashville, cause I was just down there, 0:22:40.080 --> 0:22:43.560 kind of pilled a post, kind of hustling, feeling real 0:22:43.640 --> 0:22:46.800 out of place, having like all these you know, grandiose 0:22:46.960 --> 0:22:49.080 ideas and dreams for myself, but knew that they weren't 0:22:49.080 --> 0:22:54.159 gonna be realized and in Nashville. So I left and 0:22:54.240 --> 0:22:57.760 then my girlfriend went to Atlanta, and uh, I kind 0:22:57.800 --> 0:22:59.800 of went down there with nothing and just never came 0:23:00.840 --> 0:23:01.240 Where was. 0:23:01.200 --> 0:23:02.919 Your first place in Atlanta, I'm just curious. 0:23:03.119 --> 0:23:06.280 I lived in a place called Peachtree Hills. Well, that 0:23:06.359 --> 0:23:08.399 was the first place by myself. That was after I 0:23:08.400 --> 0:23:11.119 got a record deal. But me and the girlfriend that 0:23:11.160 --> 0:23:14.120 I moved down there with, and Martin Luther. I don't 0:23:14.119 --> 0:23:22.159 know if I lived there, of course. And that's the 0:23:22.200 --> 0:23:24.920 brother Trey rab And, who's my boyfriend at the time, 0:23:25.040 --> 0:23:26.960 and then two other sisters, seven of us, and we 0:23:27.080 --> 0:23:34.520 lived in this apartment on Beuvah Highway. Yeah, Highway club. 0:23:35.680 --> 0:23:42.880 You know what, wait, Highway strip club. 0:23:43.200 --> 0:23:44.280 They call it. 0:23:45.359 --> 0:23:53.200 It's a street that's called the truck stop, the street from. 0:23:53.119 --> 0:23:56.160 The stop though in l right the hell yeah. 0:23:56.560 --> 0:23:56.720 Yeah. 0:23:56.840 --> 0:23:59.359 Flame is definitely still open go club, of course, not 0:23:59.480 --> 0:24:02.360 it's a regular club, just regular at this point. 0:24:06.520 --> 0:24:08.399 It's Atlanta, honey, just step off the plane. 0:24:10.040 --> 0:24:12.360 But we all lived together, yeah, in Temple Hallmark. 0:24:12.480 --> 0:24:14.400 So wow, that's great. 0:24:14.520 --> 0:24:14.800 Seven. 0:24:15.040 --> 0:24:18.359 Yeah. That was at the top of ninety three. And 0:24:18.480 --> 0:24:24.040 so then I remember breaking up with the guy that 0:24:24.160 --> 0:24:27.959 I was loving so at that time and feeling so heartbroken, 0:24:28.640 --> 0:24:30.240 and I was just like, this is the worst thing 0:24:30.440 --> 0:24:33.560 could ever happen. I must be about to get a 0:24:33.600 --> 0:24:38.080 record deal, because if this is the worst, the best 0:24:38.160 --> 0:24:39.760 thing that could happen would be there. I would get 0:24:39.760 --> 0:24:42.840 a record deal. And probably about a month, probably about 0:24:42.840 --> 0:24:45.960 a month later, I got a call from Dallas and 0:24:46.160 --> 0:24:47.920 he asked me comes to the studio and he was like, 0:24:48.000 --> 0:24:52.000 come right with me whenever they played a few songs, 0:24:54.000 --> 0:24:57.080 one of which will be fine me and one of 0:24:57.160 --> 0:25:02.600 which would be Sunshine right. And I just wrote to 0:25:02.760 --> 0:25:06.840 him and of course I'm still there as a writer, 0:25:07.080 --> 0:25:11.159 not as a as an artist per se a singer. 0:25:11.280 --> 0:25:13.200 You know, I'm still just kind of wanting to do that. 0:25:14.200 --> 0:25:18.720 But then after we heard how the tune sounded, he 0:25:18.920 --> 0:25:21.359 was just like, don't you want to do this? And 0:25:21.600 --> 0:25:25.480 it's just kind of like, yeah, I guess I do. 0:25:25.840 --> 0:25:28.280 You know, we listened to Sunshine and Rain probably and 0:25:28.440 --> 0:25:32.119 I'm not exaggerating, we probably listened to that probably fifty 0:25:32.280 --> 0:25:36.720 times right to just over and over and over and 0:25:37.040 --> 0:25:40.000 over and over after it was done. And that's what 0:25:40.800 --> 0:25:42.800 kind of both let us know, like, yeah, we need 0:25:42.880 --> 0:25:45.879 to move forward on this. This is something kind of else. 0:25:50.960 --> 0:25:54.840 So was there was there any direct planning, because I 0:25:54.880 --> 0:25:58.480 mean there's really I mean, it's kind of up in 0:25:58.560 --> 0:26:02.840 the air on who who planted the flag first. But 0:26:04.240 --> 0:26:10.280 I mean, you definitely weren't under the current status quo 0:26:10.320 --> 0:26:16.119 of what music from Atlanta was supposed to be. I mean, 0:26:16.200 --> 0:26:19.000 you weren't in a tlc umbrella, nor were you under 0:26:19.040 --> 0:26:24.840 Brownstone or so. Yeah, And I felt like and I 0:26:24.880 --> 0:26:29.440 could tell when someone's like trying hard to be contrary, 0:26:29.680 --> 0:26:34.400 like you know, just you know, where everything is well 0:26:34.480 --> 0:26:37.920 thought out and well plotted to. But it didn't feel 0:26:37.960 --> 0:26:40.080 like that to me when I heard it. It was 0:26:40.160 --> 0:26:44.240 like I knew it was different, but I couldn't I 0:26:44.320 --> 0:26:47.200 couldn't quite call it. So, I mean, what was it 0:26:47.400 --> 0:26:48.040 just a planning? 0:26:48.200 --> 0:26:53.600 Like there wasn't any planning none. We just did it 0:26:54.160 --> 0:26:56.720 and we did it in about two months. 0:26:57.240 --> 0:27:02.400 Yeah. Yeah, so at the time Dallas called you the work, 0:27:02.720 --> 0:27:04.320 you hadn't signed the deal to. 0:27:06.880 --> 0:27:10.560 I signed the deal with through him, Okay, that came 0:27:10.600 --> 0:27:13.160 with him, Yeah, because I was signed to him as 0:27:13.200 --> 0:27:17.199 an artist under under actually under Limp, which was. 0:27:19.600 --> 0:27:22.840 Rowdy was through I mean he had Rowdy. 0:27:23.680 --> 0:27:26.680 Was on Arista though, and then Limp was on am I. 0:27:27.280 --> 0:27:33.720 It was me and Shades of Lingo, maybe one other somebody, 0:27:33.800 --> 0:27:36.440 maybe one other person, but one of the act. But yeah, 0:27:36.560 --> 0:27:38.480 we were the only ones that were at am I. 0:27:39.280 --> 0:27:41.240 But there was no plan like, there was no The 0:27:41.320 --> 0:27:46.639 only prerequisite that I had was I wanted live instruments. 0:27:48.000 --> 0:27:49.200 That was the only thing I came And I was 0:27:49.240 --> 0:27:52.240 like every you know, you're well known for you know, 0:27:52.400 --> 0:27:54.960 your beat, these R and B beats and stuff, But 0:27:55.520 --> 0:27:58.119 that's not what I do. That doesn't really resonate with me. 0:27:58.200 --> 0:28:00.639 It's cool, but for what I want to do, I 0:28:00.760 --> 0:28:03.000 need the ship to be live, and if it's not live, 0:28:03.080 --> 0:28:04.960 it needs to be freaked in some sort of way 0:28:05.640 --> 0:28:06.200 that it's something. 0:28:06.280 --> 0:28:11.120 He was like, Hell, yeah, well, I was gonna ask 0:28:11.280 --> 0:28:14.680 just the question I always had, how do y'all sell 0:28:14.800 --> 0:28:15.240 that record? 0:28:15.320 --> 0:28:15.359 Like? 0:28:15.400 --> 0:28:18.240 What was it like taking it to am I? Because 0:28:18.400 --> 0:28:20.560 even now, I mean twenty plus years. 0:28:20.400 --> 0:28:23.600 After this release, it sounds like nothing else, like it 0:28:23.720 --> 0:28:25.440 still is in the league of his own, So like, 0:28:25.560 --> 0:28:27.760 how do you sell that in ninety four? 0:28:28.240 --> 0:28:33.159 In ninety four impossibly? You know, you could go at 0:28:33.320 --> 0:28:37.320 the meetings that I had at the labels, everybody was like, Wow, 0:28:38.560 --> 0:28:41.160 shit is fucking great. How do we sell it? 0:28:41.560 --> 0:28:45.520 Gary Gary, Gary Harris. 0:28:46.720 --> 0:28:51.160 Gary Harris was I don't even remember. Damn, I don't 0:28:51.160 --> 0:28:55.880 even remember what department Gary worked then back then. Gary, 0:28:57.200 --> 0:28:59.160 But Gary wasn't Dave. Gossip was my an. 0:28:59.360 --> 0:29:08.360 I got got gossip demos? Yeah, because they've s mister 0:29:08.520 --> 0:29:10.760 mister Dave right, that's no, no, no, no, no, no, No, 0:29:11.000 --> 0:29:12.280 that's something that somebody different. 0:29:12.520 --> 0:29:15.680 Dave Gossip was my Dave. And at that time Dave 0:29:15.760 --> 0:29:19.280 had maybe maybe he done and from maybe like Zanella 0:29:19.360 --> 0:29:21.600 Ice or somebody at the time, and like a few 0:29:21.640 --> 0:29:24.520 other people, and he had and on some big projects 0:29:24.720 --> 0:29:26.360 Black Sheep, Black Sheep, he did. 0:29:26.560 --> 0:29:32.280 He signed Gossip signed the Roots to Mercury. 0:29:32.400 --> 0:29:32.920 I never knew. 0:29:33.080 --> 0:29:36.040 Oh wow, when I didn't know that, Yeah, and the 0:29:36.160 --> 0:29:39.880 contract had they misspelled all our names on the contract 0:29:40.000 --> 0:29:42.520 so made it nol and void in that seventy two 0:29:42.600 --> 0:29:45.320 hour period. That's I guess that they were making a 0:29:45.400 --> 0:29:48.160 new contract for us. Geffen came in the last minute, 0:29:48.240 --> 0:29:52.880 like and so we went to Geffen instead, And Dave 0:29:53.040 --> 0:29:54.560 Gossip never talked to me. 0:29:56.920 --> 0:30:02.920 Well, Dave was good to me while I was there, 0:30:02.960 --> 0:30:06.160 but Dave was so I just remember. What I remember 0:30:06.520 --> 0:30:11.120 about Dave most is that the fact that Pendulum Vibe 0:30:11.280 --> 0:30:16.280 did not get his proper shot and its fair shape 0:30:16.360 --> 0:30:18.600 for how much he put into it, it really broke 0:30:19.640 --> 0:30:22.560 his motherfucking heart. It broke his heart to the point 0:30:22.600 --> 0:30:23.920 where he did step away music. 0:30:24.160 --> 0:30:26.360 Yeah wow, i'n't heard from after that. 0:30:27.160 --> 0:30:30.280 He was just like, I can't even like fuck all 0:30:30.320 --> 0:30:34.160 this shit you know, now, Gods has just been chilling living, 0:30:34.240 --> 0:30:36.880 you know, a cool civilian life as I call it, 0:30:37.400 --> 0:30:41.520 civilian life. You stepp away from this shit. And I 0:30:41.600 --> 0:30:44.200 love him to this day because he wrote really hard 0:30:44.240 --> 0:30:46.440 for him. We were just kind of all we didn't 0:30:46.440 --> 0:30:48.720 realize that there would be a machine to contend with. 0:30:49.000 --> 0:30:52.920 I know, I didn't. I just thought that I'm doing 0:30:52.960 --> 0:30:57.080 some shit. I recognized that ain't nobody doing what I'm doing? 0:30:58.880 --> 0:31:02.560 What could be so hard about selling it? Like, isn't it? 0:31:03.840 --> 0:31:05.800 What's what's the hard sale? If you put something in 0:31:05.800 --> 0:31:07.840 front of someone, if it's great and if they've not 0:31:07.960 --> 0:31:10.480 seen it before, won't they instantly be enamored with it 0:31:10.680 --> 0:31:13.000 and curious about it? And won't it Like ain't that 0:31:13.120 --> 0:31:16.240 how to fuck it go? And then I remember saying, 0:31:17.120 --> 0:31:19.600 you know, will put me on the road, Just put 0:31:19.640 --> 0:31:21.440 me on the road. I want to perform. Put me 0:31:21.520 --> 0:31:22.800 on the road. If you put me on the road, 0:31:22.880 --> 0:31:23.640 the people will come. 0:31:24.040 --> 0:31:26.440 They wouldn't do that, Ah, they wouldn't give you to 0:31:26.440 --> 0:31:26.760 a support. 0:31:26.760 --> 0:31:28.520 They wouldn't get me to support. They were like, no, 0:31:28.640 --> 0:31:30.280 we're going to really try to push it right, And 0:31:30.360 --> 0:31:32.080 here we are in nineteen ninety four, they're trying to 0:31:32.200 --> 0:31:35.720 push Sunshine in the fucking run up against Brownstone and 0:31:36.880 --> 0:31:40.240 come on, And I remember very clearly them saying to 0:31:40.320 --> 0:31:42.360 me too, if this was just a little bit more 0:31:42.520 --> 0:31:43.800 like what's the four one one? 0:31:44.040 --> 0:31:45.880 That's not about to ask you who were the contemporaries 0:31:45.920 --> 0:31:49.240 at the time marriage, So what's the fore woman was 0:31:49.280 --> 0:31:52.200 like super huge and everybody fucking love included let. 0:31:52.120 --> 0:31:55.360 That out, me, let me ask who. Because they always 0:31:55.440 --> 0:31:59.520 do this. It's usually like we're coming on a Monday 0:31:59.560 --> 0:32:01.240 and they'll be like, all right, sit on the couch, guys, 0:32:01.760 --> 0:32:03.920 I'm gonna play some remixes, just some ideas and see 0:32:03.920 --> 0:32:06.920 if you guys like it, and then it'll be like twelve. 0:32:07.000 --> 0:32:09.880 There's so many distortion and static remixes, like twelve of 0:32:09.920 --> 0:32:11.760 them that never made it to the light of day. 0:32:12.320 --> 0:32:15.280 So like, who were they trying to match you with? Like, oh, 0:32:15.400 --> 0:32:17.040 let Eric Satin remix your thing. 0:32:17.040 --> 0:32:21.160 Or well, because Dallas was there, they weren't really doing 0:32:21.440 --> 0:32:24.440 a lot of that. They were just kind of because 0:32:24.440 --> 0:32:26.080 he had the magic touch at that time, so they 0:32:26.080 --> 0:32:28.720 weren't really doing that. They were he was really trying 0:32:28.720 --> 0:32:30.640 to push it. From a standpoint of y'all gotta trust 0:32:30.720 --> 0:32:32.720 me on this like we got it, like I'm telling 0:32:32.800 --> 0:32:35.720 you this is you know, and they just weren't. They 0:32:35.760 --> 0:32:40.240 couldn't understand how to do it. And you know, it 0:32:40.400 --> 0:32:42.960 wasn't really about like cause it was several you know, 0:32:43.160 --> 0:32:45.040 rock bands that I was on the label with, all 0:32:45.080 --> 0:32:46.920 of them had to support, all of them was out 0:32:47.000 --> 0:32:49.720 on the road. They was just fucking getting started. I 0:32:49.760 --> 0:32:52.440 didn't understand why I couldn't hand on to a support 0:32:52.480 --> 0:32:53.960 and why I could go on the road. Why it 0:32:54.000 --> 0:32:56.560 wasn't important for me to build my fan base like that, 0:32:57.480 --> 0:33:01.920 And it just wasn't looked at for it wasn't looked 0:33:01.960 --> 0:33:03.920 at like that. By then, the death of the black 0:33:04.040 --> 0:33:07.640 Band had really kind of already you know, occurred, except 0:33:07.720 --> 0:33:12.120 for just these few concrete roses like your Condition and 0:33:12.280 --> 0:33:15.320 men Conditioned and Tony Tony Tony, Like the black Band 0:33:15.360 --> 0:33:19.400 had been reduced. It had been it was done. So 0:33:19.640 --> 0:33:21.800 the idea of that even at that time, and they 0:33:21.840 --> 0:33:23.400 were like, if you go out and you do shows 0:33:23.480 --> 0:33:27.520 with dad, and I was like, a dad, you ain't 0:33:27.560 --> 0:33:30.640 performing on no fucking dad. I mean a band, you know, 0:33:30.760 --> 0:33:33.080 my band that I have. But at that time too, 0:33:33.160 --> 0:33:37.040 I was rolling with a larger band and Dallas was 0:33:37.120 --> 0:33:40.120 on keys and Colin was on but that was later, 0:33:40.200 --> 0:33:44.320 that was after, but that was later. Like when Pendulum Vibe, 0:33:44.400 --> 0:33:47.000 it was like Dallas and Colin Wolf and it. 0:33:47.120 --> 0:33:59.920 Was that's crazy, like the job machine, but I got it. 0:34:00.000 --> 0:34:01.600 That's what Yeah, this is what I want to do, 0:34:01.920 --> 0:34:05.320 you know. And that's kind of been also that's been 0:34:06.440 --> 0:34:09.800 a lovely bright spot over the course of my career 0:34:09.880 --> 0:34:11.400 is that people do like to come and work with 0:34:11.480 --> 0:34:14.680 me when they want to make a departure from kind 0:34:14.719 --> 0:34:17.480 of what they're used to doing. Or they'll bring me 0:34:17.560 --> 0:34:18.960 in and be like I want you on what I 0:34:19.040 --> 0:34:21.000 do and I'm like, fine, you know I can do 0:34:21.120 --> 0:34:22.840 that too. But a lot of people will come and 0:34:22.920 --> 0:34:24.200 be like, I want to do some different shit, don't 0:34:24.200 --> 0:34:24.680 want to work with you. 0:34:25.880 --> 0:34:26.440 And I like that. 0:34:26.760 --> 0:34:29.040 I like to be I like to be that haven 0:34:29.280 --> 0:34:31.759 for people. I'm cool with that. But anyways, Doubts and 0:34:31.800 --> 0:34:34.439 them were in the band. It was about probably about 0:34:34.480 --> 0:34:36.200 eight of us at the time, and that just won't 0:34:36.239 --> 0:34:38.960 on work at three backgrounds things, they won't gonna pay 0:34:39.000 --> 0:34:43.440 all that shit. Yeah, at the time of us, because 0:34:43.440 --> 0:34:46.120 it just it had to be the fullness of the 0:34:46.239 --> 0:34:49.160 sound at that time, I hadn't tapped into my I 0:34:49.320 --> 0:34:53.160 hadn't tapped into being able to feel comfortable enough with 0:34:53.520 --> 0:34:56.800 something more stripped down. I figured that out by the 0:34:57.000 --> 0:35:01.640 second album. Once I started working on Me but Cleansing 0:35:01.719 --> 0:35:05.160 Syndrome with Fishbone, and even though it was a lot 0:35:05.239 --> 0:35:08.120 of them in the band, I had more. I was 0:35:08.200 --> 0:35:10.840 able to zero in more on rhythm section and what 0:35:11.000 --> 0:35:13.040 that meant. So I was able to zero in on 0:35:13.120 --> 0:35:15.600 that drum that bassed that guitar, and and and and 0:35:16.239 --> 0:35:19.000 get from that what I needed. And so for a 0:35:19.200 --> 0:35:21.360 number of years I saw all I toured with was 0:35:21.520 --> 0:35:27.120 just drums, bass, guitar, and it was just super fucking rocking, 0:35:27.840 --> 0:35:30.000 you know. And then that became more of a home 0:35:30.800 --> 0:35:33.120 place for me to the point where I really didn't 0:35:33.120 --> 0:35:35.480 want to too tough with nothing out side of that, 0:35:36.160 --> 0:35:37.440 you know, particular setup. 0:35:37.719 --> 0:35:41.719 What was ahead? Oh h, what was the transition? So 0:35:41.840 --> 0:35:44.880 after penzum Vi Drop and then you started working on 0:35:45.040 --> 0:35:48.600 Me but Clean, there's a stop in between again we 0:35:48.680 --> 0:35:52.319 got to ask about freedom. We didn't got to talk 0:35:52.360 --> 0:35:56.440 about the impact that pendulum vipad on a certain to 0:35:56.440 --> 0:35:58.360 get going to get the match, but I'm wanted to 0:35:58.440 --> 0:36:00.920 get freedom first and then get the match. Okay, So 0:36:01.480 --> 0:36:04.200 could you talk about the the Freedom project. 0:36:04.440 --> 0:36:15.160 Sure, Freedom came about from apparently uh uh the people 0:36:15.239 --> 0:36:20.360 from from Panther the film at the time. Uh, I 0:36:20.400 --> 0:36:22.400 guess maybe Polydor it was. 0:36:22.480 --> 0:36:26.200 It was probably back with. 0:36:29.560 --> 0:36:32.600 Polly Ground heard Freedom on the Whole Music when they 0:36:32.640 --> 0:36:34.760 were calling up to the studio to talk to Dallas. 0:36:37.200 --> 0:36:41.279 And when they heard it on the on the Whole music, 0:36:41.400 --> 0:36:43.640 this is what I was told she could be at. 0:36:47.320 --> 0:36:49.840 Sounds really great. It's a story. They heard it on 0:36:50.040 --> 0:36:53.520 the Whole Music and decided that they want that's what 0:36:53.600 --> 0:36:58.400 they wanted to use for the soundtrack. And then they 0:36:58.440 --> 0:37:03.600 had this idea that they would, you know, bring in 0:37:04.160 --> 0:37:11.000 every black female artist that was working in R and 0:37:11.120 --> 0:37:14.200 B at the time. It was the will It was 0:37:14.320 --> 0:37:19.400 like the female you will know, right and jeez, everybody 0:37:19.600 --> 0:37:25.239 was there. But when I got that call that's what 0:37:25.280 --> 0:37:26.960 they wanted to do, and that all those women were 0:37:27.040 --> 0:37:29.239 going to be on there, artists remember being like, oh, 0:37:30.320 --> 0:37:32.640 like this is incredible, you know, and then it was 0:37:32.719 --> 0:37:37.440 like breathing some more life into Pendulum vibe. It was 0:37:37.560 --> 0:37:45.440 like a good consolation for how heartbreaking it was, you know, 0:37:45.560 --> 0:37:47.320 for to have not done what I thought it was 0:37:47.400 --> 0:37:49.719 gonna do and for it to not have been accepted 0:37:49.800 --> 0:37:52.320 the way I really thought that it would be accepted 0:37:52.400 --> 0:37:55.880 and stuff, And so it it shed another light for 0:37:56.040 --> 0:37:58.160 me on kind of what it means to have like 0:37:58.239 --> 0:38:02.600 critical acclaim because I didn't really understand that concept at 0:38:02.640 --> 0:38:06.360 the time either. But doing that let me know. Because 0:38:06.400 --> 0:38:12.920 then people, the ladies, that was a really powerful experience 0:38:13.000 --> 0:38:16.239 because all those ladies you know that I met that day, 0:38:16.840 --> 0:38:20.880 I still have, you know, a tremendous amount of respect 0:38:22.200 --> 0:38:24.600 for you know, and they still have a tremendous amount 0:38:24.640 --> 0:38:26.279 of respect for me. And some of them have gone on, 0:38:26.480 --> 0:38:29.440 you know to as sind to you know, crazy commercial 0:38:29.480 --> 0:38:30.320 successful heights. 0:38:30.360 --> 0:38:32.520 But it's never been another moment like that since with 0:38:32.640 --> 0:38:34.680 a group of black female singers, I don't female. 0:38:34.880 --> 0:38:37.879 Do they have a title for it? Like like Black 0:38:37.960 --> 0:38:38.759 Men United? Was that? 0:38:38.800 --> 0:38:39.799 You won't know, right? 0:38:40.280 --> 0:38:41.960 What was the female version of it? 0:38:42.560 --> 0:38:42.840 You know what? 0:38:42.960 --> 0:38:43.239 It was? 0:38:43.719 --> 0:38:45.600 Various various artists. 0:38:49.200 --> 0:38:52.080 You'd be looking for Africa? 0:38:53.160 --> 0:38:54.600 Should that say various? 0:38:55.480 --> 0:38:57.279 And then so I remember you tell me so the 0:38:57.320 --> 0:39:00.920 sweet Honey in the Rock thing you got? Oh I didn't, 0:39:00.920 --> 0:39:02.560 I didn't even know. I thought it was your song. 0:39:02.600 --> 0:39:03.000 I didn't know. 0:39:03.080 --> 0:39:08.000 It was oh another heartbreak. So yeah, that was that. 0:39:08.239 --> 0:39:11.080 Blessed my little heart sister, just baby, just out there 0:39:11.120 --> 0:39:13.200 trying to sing something she ain't knowing nothing about, no 0:39:13.320 --> 0:39:18.440 logistics going on, and she just get right. So my 0:39:18.600 --> 0:39:22.160 album So Pendulum Vibe opened up with I'm Gonna Stand. 0:39:22.960 --> 0:39:24.920 I saw Sweet Honey. My mom took me to see 0:39:24.920 --> 0:39:27.440 Sweet Honey in the Rock at Fish Chapel when I 0:39:27.560 --> 0:39:31.400 was in seventh grade, and it changed my life. And 0:39:33.920 --> 0:39:37.600 I decided from that point professionally, when I would do music, whatever, 0:39:38.080 --> 0:39:40.600 whatever project I came out with, first Sweet Honey in 0:39:40.640 --> 0:39:42.719 the Rock, something by Sweet Honey in the Rock would 0:39:42.719 --> 0:39:45.000 be the first thing that I would have on my records. 0:39:45.000 --> 0:39:47.200 I would cover it in some way. So once I 0:39:47.320 --> 0:39:51.240 got once I you know, got the deal and started 0:39:51.239 --> 0:39:54.479 making a I was like, I'm gonna put I'm gonna 0:39:54.560 --> 0:39:58.640 stand on this record, and I had it cleared m 0:39:58.719 --> 0:40:06.080 I cleared it for Pendle. But again, hearing PolyGram, hearing 0:40:06.160 --> 0:40:10.359 the ship on the whole music, they're thinking they had 0:40:10.520 --> 0:40:14.960 no They're just thinking it's mine, right, so they weren't 0:40:15.000 --> 0:40:18.239 even using it initially. There ended up being so many 0:40:18.400 --> 0:40:21.439 women on the song that they didn't have enough room 0:40:21.680 --> 0:40:26.759 to do features for all the artists, and so that's 0:40:26.800 --> 0:40:29.320 how they decided, well, we're just gonna add that beginning 0:40:29.440 --> 0:40:33.839 part to the song. God, And how the fuck am 0:40:33.840 --> 0:40:36.200 I supposed to know if the people at PolyGram like 0:40:36.440 --> 0:40:39.760 got their paperwork shit together and got clearance from Sweet 0:40:39.800 --> 0:40:41.840 Honey in the Rock? What turns out they never got clearance. 0:40:41.960 --> 0:40:45.080 Nobody fucking got Clarence and Bernie's Johnson Riggans suit. But 0:40:45.160 --> 0:40:46.680 what does it have to do with you personally? 0:40:46.760 --> 0:40:46.920 Though? 0:40:47.040 --> 0:40:50.319 I was just because I was a writer, I'm named 0:40:50.360 --> 0:40:50.799 in the suit. 0:40:51.920 --> 0:40:55.240 So basically they took the interloew that was before freedom 0:40:55.560 --> 0:40:55.880 Right and. 0:40:58.080 --> 0:41:00.239 So so for the for the optic, for the video 0:41:00.440 --> 0:41:02.680 and for the other Because who ended up being on 0:41:02.760 --> 0:41:09.360 the beginning of that Vanessa Williams in Vogue maybe you know, 0:41:09.480 --> 0:41:13.759 it was like all these profiles you know at the 0:41:13.840 --> 0:41:18.680 time like super duper, but I ended up guesso, And 0:41:20.520 --> 0:41:24.160 man it hurt my fucking feelings and it was just 0:41:24.280 --> 0:41:26.440 so unfair. It's just like, how does that happen? How 0:41:26.520 --> 0:41:28.959 do I have to take the fucking hit for this ship? 0:41:29.200 --> 0:41:30.960 Like I had to do with that? 0:41:31.360 --> 0:41:34.640 I didn't, I didn't, you know, did you get a 0:41:34.719 --> 0:41:35.360 chance to talk to. 0:41:35.440 --> 0:41:40.800 Her, Miss Bernie. I did not, And she's a fantastic, 0:41:40.920 --> 0:41:46.440 awesome daughter to uh Toshi who's badass musician and uh 0:41:46.520 --> 0:41:55.759 huh Reagan that's doctor that's doctor Reagan's and I don't know, 0:41:56.280 --> 0:42:00.520 and I have a lot of mutual mutual sister friends, 0:42:02.040 --> 0:42:05.040 but even she I've never met in person. But I 0:42:05.120 --> 0:42:07.480 remember kind of trying to do a read to doctor 0:42:07.560 --> 0:42:12.000 Rigan back in the day and she was like, Oh. 0:42:11.920 --> 0:42:14.319 That's a family. Maybe he could bring y'all together. 0:42:18.120 --> 0:42:20.800 For twenty eighteen. Can you not throw me under the 0:42:20.880 --> 0:42:24.600 bus or my own show, please? She is the one 0:42:24.680 --> 0:42:27.799 that's the cousin. There's a cousin of mine in the group. 0:42:27.840 --> 0:42:32.040 I don't even know. I haven't met her either. Don't 0:42:32.160 --> 0:42:42.520 put that gun away, please, But. 0:42:42.600 --> 0:42:45.120 I just always figured that it would. You know, she 0:42:45.320 --> 0:42:47.399 got to know by now that the child didn't hand 0:42:47.400 --> 0:42:49.120 nothing to do with that ship. I know she knows, 0:42:49.160 --> 0:42:50.560 and I just, you know, I kind of charged it 0:42:50.600 --> 0:42:51.920 to the game. I was like, I know, I'll be 0:42:51.960 --> 0:42:53.880 able to meet doctor Riggan one day and it'll be 0:42:54.000 --> 0:42:54.480 all good. 0:42:55.719 --> 0:43:07.200 Wow, I'm sorry that happened. Yea up, since this is 0:43:07.239 --> 0:43:08.800 gonna be a lot of those stories. So let's just 0:43:08.880 --> 0:43:11.000 go for it. Get the clean next, all right? 0:43:12.520 --> 0:43:15.239 Oh yeah, I was just gonna how did Madonna find 0:43:15.280 --> 0:43:16.680 out about the Pendulum Vibe? 0:43:21.600 --> 0:43:25.080 Probably because. 0:43:26.719 --> 0:43:29.080 She was working with my guess this guy. 0:43:29.520 --> 0:43:31.800 I'm sorry, oh Siri that it could be. 0:43:31.880 --> 0:43:33.560 That guy is always her hearge of the street. 0:43:34.239 --> 0:43:36.960 It could be. And I'll say this too, I think 0:43:37.640 --> 0:43:41.439 any people of that particular ILK at that time knew 0:43:41.480 --> 0:43:43.640 who I was because the first person that reached out 0:43:43.680 --> 0:43:46.239 to me, that was fucking with me was Lenny Grab 0:43:46.400 --> 0:43:50.520 It makes sense, which is how Han Dallas ended up. 0:43:51.520 --> 0:43:55.320 Ah okay, But but Lenny reached out like, you know, 0:43:55.480 --> 0:43:58.279 who is this? What is the sunshine in the rain? 0:43:58.400 --> 0:44:03.080 Who is this girl? I want to meet her? I 0:44:03.160 --> 0:44:05.759 want to meet her, you know, And he called the 0:44:05.840 --> 0:44:09.440 record label, found me, invited me like out with he 0:44:09.800 --> 0:44:11.920 and his friends, and I just remember being like, well, fuck, 0:44:13.200 --> 0:44:13.680 what's y'all? 0:44:14.000 --> 0:44:16.799 Kind of label meets you're up? 0:44:17.040 --> 0:44:22.520 Virgin virgin big old umbrella back then is kind of Yeah, 0:44:22.520 --> 0:44:24.720 it wasn't too hard, not too much of a stretch, 0:44:24.800 --> 0:44:27.560 but you know, it's just a little old meat and 0:44:28.840 --> 0:44:33.800 then a gravitz, you know. And that was fun and 0:44:33.880 --> 0:44:36.440 it was great to be like acknowledged and great to 0:44:36.560 --> 0:44:45.200 be you know, uh you know acknowledged, you know, scene 0:44:45.440 --> 0:44:48.359 for my craft, and I think through him, I think 0:44:49.120 --> 0:44:52.520 he kind of let a lot of people know, yeah, 0:44:52.800 --> 0:44:55.239 about what was what was happening at that time, and 0:44:55.440 --> 0:44:59.320 then Madonna would end up reaching out for Dallas to 0:44:59.440 --> 0:45:02.719 produce bad time stories. 0:45:03.320 --> 0:45:13.400 Oh damn, I want to know. 0:45:13.760 --> 0:45:18.360 Damn No, I'm just saying now it makes sense because 0:45:18.400 --> 0:45:22.960 even with I'm Not Sorry Human Nature, I was like, yo, 0:45:23.160 --> 0:45:24.360 that's I feel. 0:45:24.239 --> 0:45:30.960 Like she definitely, you know, heard the album and definitely 0:45:31.040 --> 0:45:32.959 loved it, and they definitely had to go back into 0:45:32.960 --> 0:45:33.960 a little restructuring. 0:45:37.880 --> 0:45:41.719 But she ended up helping you out. Though it wasn't 0:45:41.760 --> 0:45:42.399 like beef an. 0:45:43.719 --> 0:45:46.240 Now that motherfucker that made a phone called Steven Mozil 0:45:46.280 --> 0:45:56.000 and I've got the Calvin Klein campaign. I'm not she 0:45:56.160 --> 0:45:59.920 was cold. I never had any issues. She was actually fair, 0:46:00.160 --> 0:46:03.520 very cool, Like you know the times that she. 0:46:03.600 --> 0:46:06.239 Actually mentioned one day, like doing a show together, because 0:46:06.840 --> 0:46:09.479 the thing is interesting because it's like, yes, that's great, 0:46:09.719 --> 0:46:10.960 you're modeling, not singing. 0:46:16.280 --> 0:46:22.040 We're also a Maverick associate. I just remember that myself, So. 0:46:22.480 --> 0:46:25.719 Okay, cool, We're not. 0:46:25.760 --> 0:46:26.799 Trying to throw salt on the game. 0:46:27.480 --> 0:46:29.880 I just know that was real. That was Madonna. I 0:46:29.960 --> 0:46:31.640 see your game. I picked it just. 0:46:31.760 --> 0:46:34.960 They often retweet our shows out appreciate it. 0:46:36.520 --> 0:46:38.320 Singing out there, so if you love them. But no, 0:46:38.520 --> 0:46:40.600 she didn't reach out on any tip like that. I 0:46:40.640 --> 0:46:44.799 don't know that anybody ever reached out, you. 0:46:44.840 --> 0:46:48.360 Know what, not that we could afford to do anything 0:46:48.400 --> 0:46:52.359 with you at the time, but definitely Gary was saying that, uh, 0:46:52.800 --> 0:46:55.960 you were someone that we should work with. I mean 0:46:56.080 --> 0:47:00.880 just at the time, I'll say, before we realized what 0:47:01.120 --> 0:47:04.120 had to happen. And also you two found your own 0:47:04.200 --> 0:47:07.480 family tree with the Dungeon family, like when you're alone, 0:47:08.719 --> 0:47:11.320 I realized that you need a group of people. You 0:47:11.520 --> 0:47:15.160 basically need five to seven people that do what you 0:47:15.320 --> 0:47:18.840 do and be in a community. So well, I mean 0:47:18.880 --> 0:47:21.880 I guess that's what you were basically going with Fishbone 0:47:22.080 --> 0:47:23.120 with the problem. Yeah. 0:47:23.120 --> 0:47:28.120 I did more so with them, I think than than Yeah, 0:47:28.680 --> 0:47:32.279 like did I definitely did that with them. And I 0:47:32.360 --> 0:47:35.920 would collaborate with DF you know, and I would go 0:47:36.080 --> 0:47:39.640 on the road with them, not as joy though not 0:47:39.800 --> 0:47:42.279 as an untry. I would go you know, as music 0:47:42.360 --> 0:47:45.880 director or go as singing backs or go as you know, 0:47:46.000 --> 0:47:48.040 doing things of that nature. When Goodie first went out 0:47:50.000 --> 0:47:52.160 a little bit later on, I would do that music 0:47:52.200 --> 0:47:54.160 direction and stuff for them because Lo and I just 0:47:54.280 --> 0:47:57.480 had kind of a we knew it each other, like right, 0:47:57.560 --> 0:48:01.400 and I could, you know, get the shit together and 0:48:01.520 --> 0:48:04.640 make sure everything was good for them. But not as 0:48:04.840 --> 0:48:07.440 a joy entity. No, always in a in a more 0:48:07.440 --> 0:48:15.160 of a supporting kind of grow you know, which is fine, 0:48:15.600 --> 0:48:17.400 you know which is whatever, because I would still do 0:48:17.480 --> 0:48:19.040 my own shit, you know, whenever I would do my 0:48:19.080 --> 0:48:19.480 own shit. 0:48:24.040 --> 0:48:28.640 So I gotta ask in the most diplomatic way possible. Yes, 0:48:29.640 --> 0:48:31.480 because we have a lot of mutual people in common. 0:48:31.680 --> 0:48:34.600 Yes we do, but you but you and I also 0:48:34.800 --> 0:48:37.359 have a lot of experiences in common. And I'll say 0:48:37.360 --> 0:48:41.920 that even with whatever my weird journey is in music, 0:48:42.040 --> 0:48:45.319 I always still felt like the bride's maid and never 0:48:45.400 --> 0:48:48.560 the bride. And there is no feeling like the feeling 0:48:49.600 --> 0:48:53.839 of you thinking, Okay, this is gonna be the moment, 0:48:53.880 --> 0:48:56.000 that's gonna be the always in January like this is 0:48:56.040 --> 0:48:58.080 gonna be okay, this is the year we're gonna get together. 0:48:58.560 --> 0:48:59.280 And then. 0:49:01.800 --> 0:49:05.759 Yeah, you You're like all right, cool, cool, next year, 0:49:06.040 --> 0:49:12.360 just keep working, but how I would like to know. 0:49:12.520 --> 0:49:15.680 And again I'm not I've never on this used the 0:49:15.760 --> 0:49:20.160 show as a gotcha journalism or that sort of thing. 0:49:20.640 --> 0:49:23.640 But you are literally one of the people of my 0:49:23.760 --> 0:49:29.640 contemporaries that I could possibly think has had the same 0:49:29.840 --> 0:49:35.160 sort of tortoise in the hair journey. Sure, So what 0:49:35.520 --> 0:49:38.640 is that feeling with once the year start to develop 0:49:40.040 --> 0:49:44.560 and suddenly people are open to alternative ways of seeing 0:49:44.719 --> 0:49:47.120 R and B and I'll say your name with Erica 0:49:47.239 --> 0:49:53.239 and everything and you not getting your turn, like, how 0:49:53.320 --> 0:49:58.160 do you well? I've sad tears over many of Rolling 0:49:58.200 --> 0:50:03.640 Stone cover. I've had panic attacks. Sure, I've thrown many 0:50:03.680 --> 0:50:06.960 a coffee mug at you know, I get it, So Steve, 0:50:09.440 --> 0:50:12.239 damn that mix. Yeah. 0:50:12.360 --> 0:50:18.160 So here's the thing. One thing I've been pretty blessed 0:50:18.200 --> 0:50:21.120 with is the ability, like I like when we in 0:50:21.200 --> 0:50:23.680 the beginning of this interview, when I told you from 0:50:23.800 --> 0:50:28.399 very little i've known, my shit ain't like everybody else's shit. 0:50:29.280 --> 0:50:32.879 So the journey is not like everybody else's so if 0:50:33.320 --> 0:50:37.120 and I mean, and I really really realized that early on. 0:50:37.760 --> 0:50:42.160 So I and another thing that I don't do, and 0:50:42.200 --> 0:50:44.200 which is probably why I've been able to keep a 0:50:44.239 --> 0:50:46.759 lout of my zen and my sanity and check is 0:50:46.800 --> 0:50:48.560 that I don't do a lot of I'm not a 0:50:48.760 --> 0:50:55.120 I'm not a comparer. I don't compare myself to other people. 0:50:55.400 --> 0:50:57.600 I don't compare what I have going on in my 0:50:57.719 --> 0:50:59.759 life or what they have going on in their life. 0:51:00.239 --> 0:51:02.239 Just don't do it. And this is from the jump 0:51:02.360 --> 0:51:04.080 of your life. This is from my life. This is 0:51:04.120 --> 0:51:05.520 not me as an artist, This is me as a 0:51:05.719 --> 0:51:06.160 human being. 0:51:06.239 --> 0:51:08.120 Because when we started this conversation, you said something to 0:51:08.160 --> 0:51:09.960 me that was very ill for somebody that was your age. 0:51:10.000 --> 0:51:11.960 You said that when old boy broke up with you, 0:51:12.160 --> 0:51:13.680 it was one of the saddest parts of your life. 0:51:13.719 --> 0:51:15.440 But you knew that you were about to get a 0:51:15.440 --> 0:51:15.799 record deal. 0:51:15.800 --> 0:51:18.080 It was already clear on what balance what checks a 0:51:18.120 --> 0:51:18.560 lot of people. 0:51:18.600 --> 0:51:21.480 It takes some books, some spiritual learning, some things, you know, 0:51:22.000 --> 0:51:23.560 to really realize that moment. 0:51:23.800 --> 0:51:27.920 No no, no book has taught me my Nothing has 0:51:27.960 --> 0:51:30.440 taught me better than my experience and my living and 0:51:30.520 --> 0:51:33.480 my making it through. For what keeps you saying and balanced, 0:51:33.520 --> 0:51:35.520 Because what keeps me saying in balance is that I'm 0:51:35.560 --> 0:51:39.719 still hearing. I know I got shit to do. That's 0:51:39.760 --> 0:51:43.480 what keeps me saying ballence, that's I believe you know 0:51:43.520 --> 0:51:46.239 what it is, quess here it is in a nutshell genuinely. 0:51:46.760 --> 0:51:50.719 I believe my best work is in front of me, genuinely. 0:51:52.160 --> 0:51:54.120 So if I didn't believe that, then I could be 0:51:54.239 --> 0:51:55.840 mad and I could be like, well, fuck so and 0:51:55.960 --> 0:51:57.960 so and so and so got dawn had my goddamn 0:51:58.000 --> 0:52:01.279 shoes on at one time, and so goddamn had this, 0:52:01.440 --> 0:52:03.000 and so and so sound like me on that and 0:52:03.080 --> 0:52:05.080 that bitch, No, she got damn sample that doesn't even 0:52:05.080 --> 0:52:09.360 know he got down there. No, my contemporary my peers 0:52:09.440 --> 0:52:12.120 get mad like that about certain shit, and I have 0:52:12.200 --> 0:52:13.840 to calm them there, like why y'all, I mean, but 0:52:13.960 --> 0:52:15.920 why are y'all so hell being on comparing me to 0:52:16.040 --> 0:52:19.000 the next motherfucker? Why are you so hell bent on that? 0:52:19.320 --> 0:52:22.920 It's not because they're projecting the projecting and it's not 0:52:23.040 --> 0:52:23.480 what it is. 0:52:23.760 --> 0:52:30.000 I'm with it. If I did not believe that my 0:52:30.120 --> 0:52:35.560 best work and my my finest, finest self was not 0:52:35.680 --> 0:52:37.200 in front of me. If I didn't believe that, then 0:52:37.239 --> 0:52:43.120 I wouldn't be fucking doing it. And it's literally that simple. 0:52:43.400 --> 0:52:46.160 It don't mean the shit don't hurt or don't you know, 0:52:46.239 --> 0:52:48.120 it doesn't mean that I'm not affected by those things. 0:52:48.160 --> 0:52:52.040 It just means that I'm rooted in something that anchors 0:52:52.120 --> 0:52:54.480 me outside of all the external noise. 0:52:56.480 --> 0:52:58.160 How fast did it take you to realize that? 0:52:58.760 --> 0:52:59.040 For me? 0:52:59.600 --> 0:53:05.200 Like, I'll be honest with you last year, I'm really 0:53:05.480 --> 0:53:08.520 truly not lying to you. I'm not lying to you, 0:53:08.880 --> 0:53:11.279 and I'm not I'm not even saying to the point 0:53:11.280 --> 0:53:13.040 where it's like, oh, I had to watch all my 0:53:13.120 --> 0:53:17.000 contemporaries fall or break breakup or that sort of thing. 0:53:17.920 --> 0:53:21.960 But you know, even though like I still don't know 0:53:23.040 --> 0:53:25.560 where this place is where, it's like, Okay, I get 0:53:25.600 --> 0:53:27.759 to write books and teach class and do a radio show. 0:53:28.800 --> 0:53:33.080 But I definitely feel like I knew that my biggest 0:53:33.120 --> 0:53:36.080 fear starting in nineteen ninety two was whether or not 0:53:36.200 --> 0:53:39.480 I'd still be here in nineteen ninety nine. That was 0:53:39.560 --> 0:53:42.319 like some super future shit. And I'm not even talking 0:53:42.360 --> 0:53:45.040 about like two thousand and five or twenty fifteen or 0:53:45.080 --> 0:53:46.359 even twenty twenty five. 0:53:47.200 --> 0:53:52.240 But you know, I know four years is a rap career, 0:53:52.480 --> 0:53:55.279 Like I mean, that's it's is like high school, like 0:53:55.400 --> 0:53:57.360 literally you got four years to get your money and 0:53:57.400 --> 0:53:58.480 then after that it's kind of like. 0:53:59.040 --> 0:54:01.600 You know, I think I came to the conclusion that 0:54:01.840 --> 0:54:05.360 if Tarika and I really got what we wish for, 0:54:07.160 --> 0:54:09.000 you know along the way, you know whatever, like the 0:54:09.280 --> 0:54:13.520 Bentley or whatever, right, we would have been assholes and dead. 0:54:13.680 --> 0:54:14.399 I would have been dead. 0:54:14.800 --> 0:54:16.360 Yeah, we would have been assholes. 0:54:17.320 --> 0:54:20.000 Like inside with way way too free, way too well. 0:54:20.040 --> 0:54:23.120 I would do because I'm a creature of desire, I 0:54:23.200 --> 0:54:25.960 do what the funk I want to do, so and 0:54:26.120 --> 0:54:29.279 because I'm that way, I would have just ain't what 0:54:29.320 --> 0:54:31.719 the rigie he says that I couldn't have Yeah, I 0:54:31.719 --> 0:54:33.280 couldn't have had it like that it had. 0:54:34.080 --> 0:54:37.320 Like one hundred million units. But you know he was 0:54:37.360 --> 0:54:39.160 saying like he was saying like the question is like, 0:54:39.200 --> 0:54:41.560 you know, can you survive your success? That's the thing, 0:54:41.760 --> 0:54:43.839 Like you can whatever because whatever it is you're into, 0:54:43.880 --> 0:54:46.480 if it's girls, if it's dope, if it's whatever, you're 0:54:46.480 --> 0:54:48.520 gonna get all of that that's dope, all the dope, 0:54:48.600 --> 0:54:51.319 all the holes, all the cars, whatever it is into. 0:54:51.760 --> 0:54:54.560 So with success, the question becomes can you survive it? 0:54:55.360 --> 0:54:57.880 And if you get it too early? You know, that's 0:54:57.920 --> 0:54:58.840 why allow of people. 0:54:58.640 --> 0:55:02.200 Don't nothin I I agree, I would have. I definitely did. 0:55:03.360 --> 0:55:07.160 The road had to be temper I just I really 0:55:07.239 --> 0:55:11.120 look at it because now where I am in my 0:55:11.200 --> 0:55:16.239 life now, you know, shit, some people be looking at 0:55:16.280 --> 0:55:20.960 me like a damn shaman at this point, you know 0:55:21.040 --> 0:55:25.880 what I'm saying. And my friends who uh you know, 0:55:26.160 --> 0:55:29.200 do have to be under the lights, you know all 0:55:29.280 --> 0:55:33.960 the time, you know, can find you know, some comfort 0:55:34.040 --> 0:55:36.920 and being able to come and sit with me or 0:55:37.000 --> 0:55:41.840 talk to me and to to to get grounded, you know, 0:55:42.000 --> 0:55:44.320 and where they are, and and to have and to 0:55:45.200 --> 0:55:47.520 to to gain some clarity about where they are. So 0:55:47.680 --> 0:55:49.560 kind of what ended up happening as a result of 0:55:49.640 --> 0:55:52.680 all these experiences and me having to process and digest 0:55:53.440 --> 0:55:56.240 all these different things that have happened to me in career, 0:55:56.520 --> 0:55:59.800 things I've seen, whatever's really turned me into an a 0:56:00.840 --> 0:56:08.279 one fucking therapist without the doctorate, but a one like 0:56:08.840 --> 0:56:12.319 a fucking one like really really, I was about to say, 0:56:13.960 --> 0:56:16.360 please you did not want to share that info? Please 0:56:16.440 --> 0:56:20.520 do And and that's the kind of book where I could, 0:56:20.880 --> 0:56:22.600 But you can't touch everybody. 0:56:23.560 --> 0:56:25.960 It's a different audio. 0:56:26.360 --> 0:56:26.919 I need something. 0:56:27.440 --> 0:56:29.799 I need something for the everyday man, because that which 0:56:29.840 --> 0:56:31.720 you that's some Yeah, it's major. 0:56:31.880 --> 0:56:34.439 It's like metal, human and ship. You're talking. Yeah, it's 0:56:34.560 --> 0:56:38.560 just and that's and those are things that I'm you know, 0:56:39.400 --> 0:56:44.560 those are journeys I have to to to get suited 0:56:44.680 --> 0:56:48.040 up for with being able to put things into books 0:56:48.160 --> 0:56:50.279 and do things like that. Because my mom, I'm so like, 0:56:50.880 --> 0:56:53.160 just come see me. Yeah, come see me and sit 0:56:53.200 --> 0:56:57.000 on my like you know what I'm saying, like a book, 0:56:57.320 --> 0:56:57.920 a seminar. 0:56:58.719 --> 0:57:00.359 Okay, I was thinking about everybody else, but I'll come 0:57:00.360 --> 0:57:03.960 over your house everybody else. 0:57:03.960 --> 0:57:06.520 I'm just like we're sending to your house. 0:57:09.360 --> 0:57:10.919 About the Tears was about a month. 0:57:11.920 --> 0:57:13.919 Yeah, because we're about to finish album for this week. 0:57:15.400 --> 0:57:16.720 You got the off you're about to. 0:57:16.720 --> 0:57:21.000 Go, will take it camp quite you know, I'm you know, 0:57:21.160 --> 0:57:27.200 cos bring my medicine with me to bring will have 0:57:27.360 --> 0:57:30.200 my own medicine. You may bring your medicine, share medicine. 0:57:31.840 --> 0:57:37.160 I supposed to share prescriptions that I just want to 0:57:37.160 --> 0:57:42.400 do some drugs. I want to be joy. Yes, Okay, 0:57:42.680 --> 0:57:47.840 So the tenure for the Turies sweet badass song the 0:57:48.200 --> 0:57:50.920 fish moone period? Did I pronounced that right? 0:57:51.400 --> 0:57:54.800 The tenure is that what you're saying, said Jim Cheery, 0:57:59.480 --> 0:58:04.040 Sorry to Tree like, no, not not Mary Poppins. That 0:58:04.200 --> 0:58:11.000 you think the mythic man, the flow man was quote 0:58:11.040 --> 0:58:15.880 Mary Poppins, Jim Jim three, Mary Poppins. 0:58:16.240 --> 0:58:16.880 You never seen Mary? 0:58:17.040 --> 0:58:19.240 You were never but I knew that. 0:58:19.520 --> 0:58:21.160 But you're really gonna love. 0:58:21.120 --> 0:58:26.440 It, planning on watching in the next Nigga, who watched 0:58:26.480 --> 0:58:27.160 all the Friends? 0:58:27.800 --> 0:58:28.840 You better watched Mary Popps. 0:58:29.160 --> 0:58:30.960 I had nothing to do. I was in Malloy alone. 0:58:31.080 --> 0:58:33.400 You could have watched Mary Poppins to watch Friends, and 0:58:35.000 --> 0:58:37.840 the randomness it would have been over sooner, the randomness 0:58:37.880 --> 0:58:39.880 of it. You're gonna check it out one time late night. 0:58:39.960 --> 0:58:42.400 You totally are, like, I watched. 0:58:42.560 --> 0:58:45.800 I will watch Mary Poppins. Thank you anyway, pronounce this 0:58:45.880 --> 0:58:46.560 fishbone al. 0:58:48.040 --> 0:58:48.160 As. 0:58:49.040 --> 0:58:51.080 Y'all just looked at me like you don't know what 0:58:51.240 --> 0:58:51.560 this is? 0:58:52.000 --> 0:58:54.320 No, No, I was just I thought you were saying 0:58:54.440 --> 0:58:57.680 Jimmy cheery, because Jimmy Cheery sauce is like the sau steak. 0:59:00.000 --> 0:59:11.439 About. I was like, so we we actually not many 0:59:11.440 --> 0:59:16.600 people well not many people know. I think one third 0:59:16.680 --> 0:59:20.600 of our third album, Philadelph Half Life, we recorded at 0:59:20.720 --> 0:59:28.680 dark Yeah, and I was gonna say, how did how 0:59:28.720 --> 0:59:30.080 did you guys? Pull? 0:59:30.600 --> 0:59:33.440 Uh? Uh? 0:59:34.400 --> 0:59:37.760 I'm about to say Norwood Angelo Angelo away from that 0:59:38.080 --> 0:59:44.960 goddamn Thurman miss Sherman. Well, he practiced that ship like 0:59:45.280 --> 0:59:47.480 seven hours a day, he did, and that. 0:59:47.600 --> 0:59:50.480 It was newly discovered for him at the time. And 0:59:50.560 --> 0:59:53.640 it's still a part like once it came and never left. 0:59:53.680 --> 0:59:56.080 Now that's still a part of the Fishbone show. But he's, 0:59:56.160 --> 0:59:58.520 you know, masterful with that now. 0:59:58.920 --> 1:00:02.560 Back in ninety seven, he wouldn't answer questions. 1:00:02.320 --> 1:00:03.040 Like he. 1:00:08.160 --> 1:00:08.600 Loved it. 1:00:08.800 --> 1:00:10.200 He loved it so deep and hard. 1:00:11.760 --> 1:00:17.640 So just being in that chaotic environment, what was that like? 1:00:18.000 --> 1:00:18.520 Wonderful? 1:00:19.000 --> 1:00:20.600 Oh okay, you embraced that. 1:00:20.720 --> 1:00:21.360 I embraced it. 1:00:22.400 --> 1:00:23.040 I'm not good at. 1:00:23.040 --> 1:00:25.080 Chaos my kind of freedom. And see I am. I 1:00:25.120 --> 1:00:26.080 don't do well with order. 1:00:28.600 --> 1:00:37.240 Broke up after three weeks. I'm disciplined follow the rules. 1:00:38.120 --> 1:00:39.160 You with me. 1:00:41.640 --> 1:00:44.280 So much that I'm not following the rules. I just 1:00:44.440 --> 1:00:47.240 recognized that the rules. You know what I'm I'm not 1:00:47.320 --> 1:00:50.000 going to yield so easily to someone else's control. And 1:00:50.080 --> 1:00:52.800 I'm not going to be rambunctious or fucked up about it, 1:00:53.120 --> 1:00:57.720 but I will if I want to get found, I'm 1:00:57.720 --> 1:00:59.320 gonna have to make some ulse. I can't be here. 1:01:00.560 --> 1:01:01.040 It's like that. 1:01:06.000 --> 1:01:10.840 Come a second, talk to me. 1:01:10.960 --> 1:01:14.400 But I'm also super respectful and super nurturing of other 1:01:14.520 --> 1:01:18.240 people's ways and how other people are. So I have 1:01:18.360 --> 1:01:20.240 a lot My mama is. You know, she got a 1:01:20.240 --> 1:01:22.560 little animal thing, a little bit with her. You know, 1:01:22.640 --> 1:01:24.880 my auntie, you got a little aiming where they real neat, 1:01:25.000 --> 1:01:30.400 real orderly. And I appreciate that deeply. It's just not me. 1:01:30.760 --> 1:01:32.680 So I can do it for a time, I just 1:01:32.760 --> 1:01:35.880 can't exist in it. How many beatings you get before 1:01:35.880 --> 1:01:41.120 they were just like about to say, all I heard 1:01:41.200 --> 1:01:46.520 was yeah, a lot growing up, and just after a 1:01:46.560 --> 1:01:49.400 point they were just like, y'all, this is just how 1:01:49.440 --> 1:01:53.320 she gonna be. But that time period with them was 1:01:54.400 --> 1:01:59.040 really wonderful. I had met Angelo. He was doing a 1:01:59.120 --> 1:02:03.280 Doctor Mad Vibe thing in Atlanta, and I went to it, 1:02:04.600 --> 1:02:06.160 and I was so excited because of course I'm a 1:02:06.240 --> 1:02:09.280 fan from uh, you know, from. 1:02:09.320 --> 1:02:11.320 From from their southern California. 1:02:11.400 --> 1:02:15.560 Then yes, and and I remember seeing them on soul training. 1:02:15.560 --> 1:02:20.640 I remember them performing Freddy's Dead and every day Sunshine training. 1:02:20.720 --> 1:02:24.640 It was fucking killer. And so I met Angelo there 1:02:24.720 --> 1:02:29.200 and he was super funny and insane and awesome and wonderful, 1:02:29.640 --> 1:02:31.400 and he was like, man, we just lost our deal 1:02:31.560 --> 1:02:36.360 with who they was at Sony or c Sony at 1:02:36.400 --> 1:02:38.080 the time, because the last time and they didn't think 1:02:38.120 --> 1:02:43.600 maybe give a monkey a brain, which is a great thing. 1:02:44.720 --> 1:02:46.480 And he was like, so Fisherman doesn't have a deal. 1:02:46.560 --> 1:02:49.560 And I was like, what, how does fish have a deal? 1:02:49.680 --> 1:02:54.760 And I said, you were the bridge to Dallas. 1:02:55.000 --> 1:03:01.440 Yes. Wow, So I said, y'all gonna have a fucking 1:03:01.480 --> 1:03:04.720 record deal. Y'all gonna do that ship here in Atlanta. 1:03:05.160 --> 1:03:08.760 He was like, I was like, we're going to we 1:03:08.840 --> 1:03:11.400 want to study it. So I took Angeloa to meet Dallas, 1:03:12.880 --> 1:03:16.000 and of course Dallas was like, fucking fishbone dude, like 1:03:17.280 --> 1:03:20.880 you're going you being cool because he's a quiet, kind 1:03:20.920 --> 1:03:23.120 of reserved cat back then, still kind of his but 1:03:23.440 --> 1:03:25.280 he was real kind of quiet a shot back then, 1:03:26.440 --> 1:03:29.560 but he was freaking out on the inside and uh. 1:03:30.400 --> 1:03:32.800 And they started a dialogue about it, and he made 1:03:32.880 --> 1:03:35.640 that he pushed that ship through pretty quick because once 1:03:35.680 --> 1:03:37.360 he found out he could really do it, he was 1:03:37.440 --> 1:03:40.280 just like, you know, so exetraally pushed that forward and 1:03:40.360 --> 1:03:42.960 the guys ended up spending a tremendous amount of time 1:03:43.120 --> 1:03:47.800 in Atlanta over the next year. So here's Fishbone said 1:03:48.160 --> 1:03:55.000 in Atlanta like during like ninety yeah, at the dungeon, 1:03:55.040 --> 1:03:57.120 and you know they meet U GK. Because I mean 1:03:57.160 --> 1:04:00.800 PIMC shouts him out on on Roden dirty at the end, 1:04:00.840 --> 1:04:02.959 he shouts out Fishbone because he spent I mean, because 1:04:02.960 --> 1:04:05.200 you know they were we were very good friends, you 1:04:05.280 --> 1:04:09.280 know at the time, blending pimple like our family getting 1:04:09.320 --> 1:04:13.000 out we're married, and and they ended up just spending 1:04:13.000 --> 1:04:14.600 a lot of time with them too, because they were 1:04:14.600 --> 1:04:17.200 just a ron. So here it's like UGK, it's Fishbone, 1:04:17.360 --> 1:04:22.200 it's cass Is Goodie, it's you know me. It's like 1:04:22.400 --> 1:04:22.800 it was just. 1:04:22.880 --> 1:04:26.120 This, you know, back down, describe what working with Dallas 1:04:26.280 --> 1:04:30.480 is like, because i mean, again, you know, what was 1:04:30.520 --> 1:04:32.200 his first joint, mister dj would. 1:04:34.720 --> 1:04:37.400 Yeah, so I mean he was a child, you know, 1:04:37.520 --> 1:04:38.760 he was in high school age. 1:04:39.000 --> 1:04:42.440 Yeah. But to have that range of being a new 1:04:42.560 --> 1:04:46.120 Jack proprietory TLC and just going to the new soul 1:04:46.240 --> 1:04:48.280 like sort of swimming to that and then to go 1:04:48.560 --> 1:04:53.560 all over the place, how was he able to because 1:04:53.600 --> 1:04:55.840 he's churning out the hits for everybody at this point, 1:04:56.360 --> 1:04:59.120 how is he able to devote time to you to 1:04:59.280 --> 1:05:04.160 them to TLC to Madonna to like just keep all 1:05:04.240 --> 1:05:04.360 of this. 1:05:04.800 --> 1:05:05.520 It was a lot. 1:05:05.840 --> 1:05:08.200 I can't remember it being a lot for him. 1:05:09.320 --> 1:05:09.920 Was it a lot for you? 1:05:10.000 --> 1:05:10.160 Though? 1:05:10.160 --> 1:05:12.320 I mean in terms of like, hello, are you picking up? 1:05:12.800 --> 1:05:16.880 No, it wasn't that way for me only because like 1:05:17.000 --> 1:05:20.040 that's not like the same age, same exact age, and 1:05:20.560 --> 1:05:23.120 how things were structured with us back then. It was 1:05:23.160 --> 1:05:26.240 a little more family dynamicish, so it was a little 1:05:26.320 --> 1:05:28.640 more like that's my part, and if his mama's cooking 1:05:28.720 --> 1:05:30.439 on Sunday, I'm going over to the house, like which 1:05:30.440 --> 1:05:32.200 he would have everybody come over with his mama's house 1:05:32.240 --> 1:05:34.440 on Sunday. But like they would do these regular occurrences. 1:05:34.480 --> 1:05:36.840 If he said a student he's working, I'm going by 1:05:36.880 --> 1:05:38.640 the studio, he gonna hit me, I'm at the studio. 1:05:38.920 --> 1:05:42.600 I didn't. Necessarily, I didn't have problems with accessibility with him. 1:05:42.640 --> 1:05:46.439 No one did. He wasn't an inaccessible person at the time. 1:05:46.640 --> 1:05:50.000 If you were working with him, he could get ghosts 1:05:50.320 --> 1:05:53.840 like you know, the best of whoever. But but I 1:05:53.920 --> 1:05:57.560 didn't have that problem, and I didn't see him thinking 1:05:57.640 --> 1:05:59.840 back that shit, han't you just call out all that shit? 1:06:00.160 --> 1:06:02.200 I was like, damn, he was young as fuck back then, 1:06:02.240 --> 1:06:04.280 and he was doing all that shit like I hadn't 1:06:04.280 --> 1:06:06.640 even thought about it like that, and so I guess 1:06:06.680 --> 1:06:08.640 he handled it, you know, as best he could and 1:06:08.720 --> 1:06:11.440 did a pretty decent, like a job of it because 1:06:11.480 --> 1:06:14.240 he was working on I mean, but cleansing Syndrome. We 1:06:14.320 --> 1:06:15.800 were working on that at the same time. They were 1:06:15.880 --> 1:06:19.400 doing Chim Jim was at the same time, and then 1:06:21.760 --> 1:06:23.920 whatever else he was doing. Because at that point too, 1:06:24.000 --> 1:06:26.880 you know, everybody's calling you for these individual tracks and 1:06:27.280 --> 1:06:29.360 you know, you got to work on remixes and you're 1:06:29.400 --> 1:06:34.200 doing all kind of shit everybody. I didn't have any 1:06:34.400 --> 1:06:37.600 accessibility problems with him. He was great to work with. 1:06:37.920 --> 1:06:43.160 He was adventurous, he was rooted and soul and funk. 1:06:43.280 --> 1:06:46.080 He was, you know, a James Brown student, you know, 1:06:46.160 --> 1:06:49.320 an old soul student, a pfunk student. So we had 1:06:49.360 --> 1:06:51.400 a lot in common. He was just doing this R 1:06:51.480 --> 1:06:53.840 and B. You know, he had gone heavy into this 1:06:54.080 --> 1:06:58.480 new urban R and B sound, but his roots were 1:06:58.600 --> 1:07:02.800 in the shit that I fucked with. So it it 1:07:02.960 --> 1:07:05.200 was always, you know, a pleasure, very easy you know 1:07:05.320 --> 1:07:11.439 to work with. It was that was that or yes, 1:07:11.720 --> 1:07:14.880 it was supposed to be a me, but cleansing is 1:07:14.960 --> 1:07:21.000 like my black albums never commercially released. 1:07:21.680 --> 1:07:22.280 What happened? 1:07:23.400 --> 1:07:27.320 So em I fault bout two weeks before Amimba was 1:07:27.360 --> 1:07:28.280 supposed to come out. 1:07:29.680 --> 1:07:33.360 Em I folded, and the label prior to that, they 1:07:33.400 --> 1:07:35.000 were with it. They were like, we're gonna put it out. 1:07:35.040 --> 1:07:36.400 We're gonna put it out, okay. 1:07:36.200 --> 1:07:37.640 Cool, And then the label folded. 1:07:37.960 --> 1:07:40.400 So then it was like, did they have the video 1:07:40.400 --> 1:07:41.480 out for Ghetto Superstar and. 1:07:41.560 --> 1:07:45.800 The video for Ghetto Superstar had just dropped. Oh no, 1:07:46.160 --> 1:07:48.640 it hadn't come out yet. Because here's what ended up happening. 1:07:48.800 --> 1:07:51.400 Once em I folded, Dallas hurried up and got another 1:07:51.480 --> 1:07:55.200 situation together with this other cat. I can't even remember. 1:07:55.760 --> 1:07:57.960 Maybe V not V two. I don't want to get 1:07:58.000 --> 1:07:58.440 that wrong. 1:07:59.640 --> 1:07:59.800 Was it? 1:08:00.600 --> 1:08:02.000 No, I know you're talking about because he put out 1:08:02.080 --> 1:08:05.240 was that the young Sad and Blue Wow put that. 1:08:07.200 --> 1:08:08.840 Free World? Yeah? 1:08:09.200 --> 1:08:09.680 Free World? 1:08:10.000 --> 1:08:13.160 Was I had that single in college? 1:08:19.160 --> 1:08:24.240 Oh wow, when I'm so tired on there? Does it happen? 1:08:24.640 --> 1:08:26.120 I don't think that's on there, but it's the one 1:08:26.160 --> 1:08:28.600 with the pink cover. Yeah, yeah, maybe it. 1:08:28.560 --> 1:08:33.760 Doesn't because I'm so tired. Was a lot of people 1:08:33.800 --> 1:08:35.559 that have that because that wasn't on like the big, 1:08:35.760 --> 1:08:38.920 the more widely distributed sam when people have the one 1:08:38.920 --> 1:08:39.519 when I'm so tired. 1:08:40.680 --> 1:08:42.120 It was like the college sampler. 1:08:44.800 --> 1:08:46.639 Free World. So he ended up cooking up a little 1:08:46.680 --> 1:08:50.240 deal real quick, put that together, got some money behind ship, 1:08:50.320 --> 1:08:54.000 and then we shot the video for Ghetto Superstar, and 1:08:54.080 --> 1:08:59.519 then Ghetto Superstar was really take off. It was doing well. 1:08:59.560 --> 1:09:01.479 It had been like kind of pulled into that whole 1:09:01.600 --> 1:09:04.479 MTV regular play list when they would do little R 1:09:04.520 --> 1:09:08.559 and B Ship back then and whatever. And then Free 1:09:08.600 --> 1:09:14.320 World folded. Yeah, Jesus, and then I was just like, 1:09:14.840 --> 1:09:22.320 there's a roote on my life. There's a fucking curse 1:09:22.400 --> 1:09:25.960 on me. There has to be. This is some bullshit. No, no, no, 1:09:26.120 --> 1:09:28.760 you were my journey, because that's not the way you said. 1:09:28.800 --> 1:09:30.439 Again I said you were like, this is my journey though, 1:09:30.439 --> 1:09:33.080 because but you know, even on our journey we got 1:09:33.200 --> 1:09:34.120 to take me sometimes. 1:09:34.200 --> 1:09:40.320 Okay, one thing, Yeah, where did you have your daughter? 1:09:41.200 --> 1:09:44.160 And that's what I was leading up to. I had 1:09:44.640 --> 1:09:48.120 just had keep Sire that keeps I was born in 1:09:48.200 --> 1:09:53.200 ninety six. Okay, so the first iteration of amba cleansing 1:09:53.240 --> 1:09:56.920 syndrome began before Keeping was born. And second iteration because 1:09:56.920 --> 1:09:58.280 I went back and added you. 1:09:58.360 --> 1:10:02.120 Turn me on. Wait a minute, you just said that 1:10:02.479 --> 1:10:05.600 she's always going to be you to me. 1:10:08.000 --> 1:10:12.160 Twenty one, Yeah, grown marbling, she's going to be two forever. 1:10:12.439 --> 1:10:12.760 I know. 1:10:13.400 --> 1:10:16.120 I remember working at Clark Atlanta Radio and you're walking 1:10:16.200 --> 1:10:17.200 in with a baby. 1:10:17.439 --> 1:10:19.120 That is I feel. I mean, I was going in 1:10:19.200 --> 1:10:20.120 the nineties, so it was weird. 1:10:23.160 --> 1:10:24.000 You're only. 1:10:25.640 --> 1:10:26.559 A couple of years old. 1:10:27.040 --> 1:10:33.559 Edit. Oh but yeah, keeps twenty one should be twenty 1:10:33.600 --> 1:10:34.519 two in June. 1:10:35.439 --> 1:10:36.920 But so yeah. 1:10:37.400 --> 1:10:39.360 Then I went back in and I added you turned 1:10:39.400 --> 1:10:41.760 me on La Bell cover time the Smile, went back 1:10:41.800 --> 1:10:45.320 in and did something with Colin Wolf, and then I 1:10:45.560 --> 1:10:49.040 added Ghettle Superstar. Gettle Superstar came letter of something I 1:10:49.200 --> 1:10:51.479 added to me but cleansing for them to be just on. 1:10:51.680 --> 1:10:57.080 We don't have that one radio one, so wh're making 1:10:57.120 --> 1:11:00.280 it added that one and there's one I'm missing. I'm 1:11:00.400 --> 1:11:03.560 sorry I forget, but yeah, so it was too It 1:11:03.680 --> 1:11:09.680 was before keep Beat, before and after keeping Uh thank 1:11:09.760 --> 1:11:20.559 you Danne Line does by that. Yeah, yeah, I'm sorry. 1:11:21.680 --> 1:11:25.120 So the two you know, it was before keeping after 1:11:25.200 --> 1:11:28.280 Keeping Me, But Cleinsington drums took a while to come out. 1:11:28.320 --> 1:11:30.439 I started working on it in ninety five and then 1:11:30.520 --> 1:11:34.559 it actually came out in uh ninety seven, well, didn't 1:11:34.680 --> 1:11:36.599 actually come out. Was finished with it in ninety seven. 1:11:36.680 --> 1:11:38.960 As it was about to be released, everything all the 1:11:39.040 --> 1:11:42.760 plugs got pulled. So I just after that, That's really 1:11:42.800 --> 1:11:44.880 what made me kind of go deeper into being more 1:11:45.000 --> 1:11:47.439 of the wind beneath other people's wings because it was 1:11:47.479 --> 1:11:50.000 a little too I didn't know how much I had 1:11:50.120 --> 1:11:52.519 left in me to get kicked in my kicked in 1:11:52.600 --> 1:11:56.360 my chest like that, A shotgun blasted in my chest like. 1:11:56.439 --> 1:11:59.439 That, another Ghetto Super started coming out. 1:12:02.120 --> 1:12:04.240 I was I'm trying to get it out of my 1:12:04.320 --> 1:12:06.240 head because every time I hear the title, the other 1:12:06.320 --> 1:12:07.800 one comes in my head, and I'm trying to get 1:12:07.840 --> 1:12:08.200 it out. 1:12:08.880 --> 1:12:10.800 What I tell you, I don't like this motherfucking ask 1:12:10.880 --> 1:12:11.320 to this day. 1:12:13.840 --> 1:12:18.840 I'm sorry, oh problem. I'm hugging you right now. Okay, 1:12:18.960 --> 1:12:21.519 I'm hugging I remember thinking like, is this how y'all 1:12:21.600 --> 1:12:22.000 gonna do it? 1:12:22.080 --> 1:12:24.759 It's just gonna be the black Like it's just gonna 1:12:24.840 --> 1:12:25.720 it's gonna be like this. 1:12:26.640 --> 1:12:26.920 Hide it. 1:12:29.160 --> 1:12:32.160 Were just gone. And I remember, and it was always 1:12:32.200 --> 1:12:37.240 these situations, whether it was just enough, what you're doing 1:12:37.479 --> 1:12:40.120 is legal for it to be okay, and you can't 1:12:41.640 --> 1:12:45.080 soon nobody here. It's only the moral like you just 1:12:45.479 --> 1:12:47.479 doubt what you're gonna do. You only have that, but 1:12:47.600 --> 1:12:49.439 you don't have like a legal leg to stand on 1:12:49.600 --> 1:12:57.320 and ship, so you just gotta be like shrug. Wait, 1:12:57.360 --> 1:12:58.320 but we talked about keeping. 1:12:58.360 --> 1:13:01.000 We didn't talk about her debut you before she was 1:13:01.080 --> 1:13:03.080 even born, and how that I felt like that was 1:13:03.080 --> 1:13:06.840 the whole history making moment on screen Indiangelo's video. 1:13:06.960 --> 1:13:11.240 Yes, well that was that was she was in She 1:13:11.360 --> 1:13:13.040 was in there, okay, because I was about to say 1:13:13.040 --> 1:13:15.960 I thought that was face in China, but China was 1:13:16.000 --> 1:13:17.320 a little thing. But I was pregnant. 1:13:17.400 --> 1:13:17.559 Yeah. 1:13:20.720 --> 1:13:23.680 With the bikini sheer moment, it was a moment. 1:13:23.920 --> 1:13:27.639 Were you did you have questions like was the bikini? 1:13:28.000 --> 1:13:29.240 Did you say I'm going to do it, but I 1:13:29.320 --> 1:13:30.280 must be in my bikini? 1:13:30.439 --> 1:13:33.400 No, I came. I just came dressed to the video. 1:13:33.520 --> 1:13:35.960 That was just her regular It was a summer day. No, 1:13:36.280 --> 1:13:38.919 it was you're gonna be they want you video. 1:13:38.800 --> 1:13:40.400 And I was, and I'm gonna shut ship down. 1:13:40.720 --> 1:13:44.240 And I'm on bikini with this ship dressing him and 1:13:44.400 --> 1:13:44.680 this and. 1:13:44.720 --> 1:13:49.280 What video was and I bet you nobody can plain. 1:13:50.080 --> 1:13:52.960 And that was and that was the day I met Erica. 1:13:53.439 --> 1:13:56.000 Really wow because she was in the video in the. 1:13:56.040 --> 1:14:00.960 Video the first drop, that was her first little Wow. 1:14:01.040 --> 1:14:03.920 That's crazy, first seeing you know, first seeing her on 1:14:04.040 --> 1:14:06.559 the screen. And that was my first time meeting her, 1:14:06.640 --> 1:14:09.240 and my first time meeting Faith that day too. And 1:14:09.320 --> 1:14:12.920 Faith was pregnant with little little c J at the time. 1:14:13.439 --> 1:14:15.280 That's crazy because then the dim in between what was 1:14:15.320 --> 1:14:17.760 the video? It was it Erica's video where you were 1:14:17.840 --> 1:14:18.240 in the car. 1:14:18.439 --> 1:14:20.880 I just have a visual of I haven't been in 1:14:20.960 --> 1:14:24.120 any easy no, you know what, who are you thinking? 1:14:25.040 --> 1:14:29.519 No, you're thinking of Lucy Lucy bro I wasn't think 1:14:29.600 --> 1:14:32.640 couldn't be because you're in don mess with my man, right, I. 1:14:32.680 --> 1:14:35.799 Am not in the mess with because I'm in without 1:14:35.920 --> 1:14:40.720 you and you those because you know my I came 1:14:40.760 --> 1:14:44.400 in at the telling very just to finish up awar 1:14:44.560 --> 1:14:45.479 season and the tour. 1:14:46.560 --> 1:14:50.880 That was it. What was transition. I feel like you're 1:14:51.040 --> 1:14:55.680 just then fix it. 1:14:56.439 --> 1:14:58.720 I'm fix it. Yeah, it's like a fix It's like 1:14:58.840 --> 1:15:01.720 some fixer ship. It really is fix it with no 1:15:01.840 --> 1:15:05.400 drama like deliver and low key you don't end up 1:15:05.400 --> 1:15:11.320 in flow. Seriously, Yeah, we. 1:15:11.400 --> 1:15:20.559 Have heard about that wisdom. Where's her jingle? I'm sorry? Yeah, 1:15:20.640 --> 1:15:24.519 I'm sorry, I'm sorry. That was your first brilliant moment 1:15:24.600 --> 1:15:25.800 of comedy on the show. 1:15:27.320 --> 1:15:34.200 Only took almost two years. That was pretty phone call 1:15:34.280 --> 1:15:37.200 at the eleventh hour, you know that was I would 1:15:37.280 --> 1:15:39.639 have you had to say no, I've had to say 1:15:39.880 --> 1:15:42.320 to a to a lot of things. 1:15:43.160 --> 1:15:45.880 Who did you say no, I can't do the project 1:15:46.000 --> 1:15:47.439 right now? Or I'm good? 1:15:48.040 --> 1:15:48.400 You know what? 1:15:48.760 --> 1:15:55.160 Like your weirdest offer, my weirdest offer, girls, that would 1:15:55.160 --> 1:15:55.919 have been hilarious. 1:15:56.000 --> 1:16:02.400 That's my weirdest offer. Child, I don't even know. I 1:16:02.479 --> 1:16:03.200 can't even. 1:16:04.560 --> 1:16:04.840 So much. 1:16:04.920 --> 1:16:09.280 Damn shit my brain, I don't know. I don't know. 1:16:09.600 --> 1:16:11.439 You could ask me this probably in two hours, and 1:16:11.439 --> 1:16:15.240 I'd be like child, it was that one. But right, 1:16:15.840 --> 1:16:18.960 I can't think of what my weirdest one would be. 1:16:19.280 --> 1:16:20.320 But I have to say. 1:16:23.720 --> 1:16:28.000 The stuff that the universe will shoot at me, the 1:16:28.120 --> 1:16:31.719 universe that it'll be tough, fucked up, kind of hard 1:16:32.000 --> 1:16:37.439 kind of lessons and stuff. But it's not it ain't 1:16:37.520 --> 1:16:40.920 nothing that I can't you know, stand by, And it 1:16:40.960 --> 1:16:42.640 ain't nothing that I can't be like well, you know, 1:16:42.760 --> 1:16:46.000 I'm always proud of the work. So anything that I've done, 1:16:46.240 --> 1:16:49.560 I'm still proud of the work, you know, my involvement in. 1:16:49.680 --> 1:16:51.400 But I can't really I can't think right now of 1:16:51.520 --> 1:16:53.640 what the what I've turned down where I was like, 1:16:54.000 --> 1:16:56.120 probably because once I turned something down, I'm through with 1:16:56.160 --> 1:16:58.320 that and I don't think about that no more. I don't. 1:16:58.479 --> 1:17:03.800 I don't store that no. Well, but working with you know, 1:17:04.120 --> 1:17:06.360 getting a call from Ray it was cool because I 1:17:06.479 --> 1:17:08.439 was just like, you know, I'll be on the lips 1:17:08.560 --> 1:17:10.439 of my name, will be on the lips of some 1:17:10.680 --> 1:17:13.720 you know, some folks in the demographic that otherwise absolutely 1:17:13.760 --> 1:17:17.200 wouldn't know who I was. So and he's the homie. 1:17:17.920 --> 1:17:22.400 And were you shot that like oh okay or is 1:17:22.479 --> 1:17:26.280 it like whatever? Like I mean, are you I don't 1:17:26.280 --> 1:17:29.760 mean in a jaded centema, I mean, but is it 1:17:29.960 --> 1:17:30.839 just like yeah. 1:17:30.960 --> 1:17:33.880 Okay, it's a job. It was a job like I 1:17:33.920 --> 1:17:35.479 looked at it like a job that I can do 1:17:36.560 --> 1:17:38.720 for now, Like that's what it looked like, like this 1:17:38.880 --> 1:17:41.560 is a good temporary gig and I'm gonna do it. 1:17:42.520 --> 1:17:45.120 We'd playing them back because I also forgot that we 1:17:45.240 --> 1:17:50.680 toured uh uh during the goodie my period. Yeah. And 1:17:50.800 --> 1:17:51.960 also so it's like. 1:17:52.160 --> 1:17:54.439 I was pregnant then too, where you have to sort 1:17:54.479 --> 1:17:56.760 of not or you kind of have to. 1:17:57.240 --> 1:17:59.080 Is it weird laying in the cut and being a 1:17:59.160 --> 1:17:59.639 team member. 1:17:59.840 --> 1:18:01.560 I've been doing it for so long now, like you 1:18:01.680 --> 1:18:04.479 have to remember after me, but cleansing syndrome that really 1:18:04.640 --> 1:18:11.880 started me to being to scale back. I wasn't so 1:18:12.120 --> 1:18:15.519 in pursuit of the spotlight and I just wanted to work, 1:18:17.160 --> 1:18:19.000 you know what I'm saying. So once I just got 1:18:19.040 --> 1:18:20.519 to that point, I was just like, I just want 1:18:20.520 --> 1:18:23.240 to work and I'm not so you know whatever. And 1:18:23.960 --> 1:18:26.160 I think for other people it's far more weird than 1:18:26.200 --> 1:18:29.320 it is because people have these these notions of me 1:18:30.600 --> 1:18:32.680 and what they think I am and how they think 1:18:32.760 --> 1:18:34.960 I am and all this type of ship and so 1:18:35.080 --> 1:18:35.960 then when they meet. 1:18:35.840 --> 1:18:40.680 Me they like that. Yeah. I think people of like 1:18:40.960 --> 1:18:44.479 what fame being a successful musician. 1:18:44.720 --> 1:18:46.160 Musician is like you. 1:18:46.200 --> 1:18:48.000 Can be a success and nobody know. 1:18:49.560 --> 1:18:54.040 Yeah, Like, and that's why I'm you know, I don't 1:18:54.080 --> 1:18:56.960 give a fuck about that. Other part of fame is 1:18:57.040 --> 1:19:00.680 not even controllable enough for me to want it, you know, 1:19:00.800 --> 1:19:04.000 like it doesn't offer freedom. I'm too. I I I 1:19:05.280 --> 1:19:08.800 live and die by my freedom, and fame doesn't offer 1:19:08.920 --> 1:19:12.519 a tremendous amount of freedom. It has perks, but it 1:19:12.640 --> 1:19:13.919 doesn't it's enslaving. 1:19:14.120 --> 1:19:16.479 Yeah, it's the exact opposite. Yeah, freedom, it is. 1:19:16.680 --> 1:19:18.559 And so I don't. I ain't never been tillated by 1:19:18.880 --> 1:19:23.360 that particular part. I've only felt the I know that 1:19:23.400 --> 1:19:25.680 when you do good art, the fame tends to come 1:19:25.800 --> 1:19:28.439 with it. So if I had to endure the fame 1:19:29.439 --> 1:19:31.280 to produce the good art, then I would do it. 1:19:31.600 --> 1:19:34.280 But that part of it so so me kind of 1:19:34.320 --> 1:19:36.240 stepping back and being like, well, I just do work 1:19:36.240 --> 1:19:38.240 with other people. That was a that wasn't a hard 1:19:38.320 --> 1:19:41.120 decision to make. That was like, A I want to work. 1:19:41.680 --> 1:19:44.320 B I just say, mean, I'm tired of all that 1:19:44.439 --> 1:19:46.680 other part of ship anyway, and I'm just who the 1:19:46.720 --> 1:19:48.439 fuck I am, and I'm just gonna fucking be that 1:19:48.600 --> 1:19:50.000 and do that and raise my child. 1:19:50.280 --> 1:19:52.519 And yeah, if you were famous, I think me and 1:19:52.600 --> 1:19:56.040 you couldn't have been sitting outside the Dennis or whatever chilling. 1:19:58.320 --> 1:19:58.719 That moment. 1:19:58.760 --> 1:20:00.880 It would have been something totally different exactly. And see, 1:20:00.920 --> 1:20:04.719 I I I have to be able to sit outside 1:20:04.760 --> 1:20:07.599 of Dennis with my folks sometimes, you know what I'm saying, 1:20:07.640 --> 1:20:08.960 like I have to be able to do that in 1:20:09.080 --> 1:20:13.640 this life? You miss who you miss Denny's. No, No, 1:20:13.840 --> 1:20:15.120 not at all. It just happened. 1:20:16.240 --> 1:20:19.040 No, I was just saying in those moments because he's 1:20:19.040 --> 1:20:22.880 so it's opposite in that way, like what you're talking about, like. 1:20:22.920 --> 1:20:27.640 That outside of my illustrious apartment about twelve Ace is up. 1:20:27.840 --> 1:20:30.799 You got that fancy Denny's, the only, the only Denny's 1:20:30.840 --> 1:20:32.960 in Manhattan. So I'm very familiar. 1:20:33.160 --> 1:20:35.000 It was a metaphor for life. 1:20:35.160 --> 1:20:38.519 I know. But then I love radio on Perade sometimes anyway, 1:20:41.080 --> 1:20:43.240 So yeah, maybe like twice a week I'm at that 1:20:43.360 --> 1:20:44.920 Denny's connected. Yeah. 1:20:45.479 --> 1:20:47.439 And the other thing too, I have to say, is 1:20:47.600 --> 1:20:51.839 that famous my kind of fame or how I'm famous? 1:20:52.200 --> 1:20:57.960 You know my way I'm famous. It's it's different because 1:20:58.160 --> 1:21:00.240 people I don't. I don't deal with a lot of 1:21:00.439 --> 1:21:03.760 foolishness and ridiculousness to other people, Like people fuck with 1:21:03.920 --> 1:21:04.479 me because. 1:21:04.280 --> 1:21:07.280 They fucked with me, not because other people fuck with you. 1:21:08.040 --> 1:21:11.040 People to fuck with me, robbing you exactly, you know, 1:21:11.160 --> 1:21:14.640 And so I don't have like a fickle anybody that 1:21:14.800 --> 1:21:17.759 was my you know that came along as a supporter 1:21:18.160 --> 1:21:20.400 of what I do from Pendulum. By they still here. 1:21:21.640 --> 1:21:23.800 You know, I ain't lost. No, ain't nobody like I 1:21:23.840 --> 1:21:26.640 don't fuck with Joyan no moo she wet or she 1:21:26.800 --> 1:21:29.240 don't do whatever. I didn't like that other album and shit, 1:21:29.280 --> 1:21:35.559 But no, everybody still supports me, stays down, goes though 1:21:35.640 --> 1:21:39.240 with me, and believes in my ability to continue to 1:21:39.360 --> 1:21:40.639 produce good work. 1:21:41.120 --> 1:21:42.439 Yeah. I remember. 1:21:42.600 --> 1:21:45.200 I mean when we did the record together for those 1:21:45.320 --> 1:21:48.080 albums in twenty fifteen, I was just still getting in 1:21:48.160 --> 1:21:48.400 my head. 1:21:48.439 --> 1:21:51.240 I was telling my well, now wife, you know what 1:21:51.280 --> 1:21:53.639 I'm saying. I was like, Joy is on the way 1:21:53.760 --> 1:21:56.800 to the house, Like you understand, Joy about to be 1:21:56.920 --> 1:21:59.479 in my house. She's like, what what you mean? 1:21:59.479 --> 1:22:00.960 I'm like, Yo, you understand I met her when I 1:22:01.000 --> 1:22:03.680 was fucking fourteen and now in my house, Like so 1:22:04.160 --> 1:22:06.400 just to see that come full circle, like to meet 1:22:06.479 --> 1:22:09.080 you when we were at Yeah, you were doing an 1:22:09.120 --> 1:22:11.559 in store. I think I like skipped school to come 1:22:11.640 --> 1:22:13.280 see you promote Pendulum Vibe. 1:22:13.439 --> 1:22:17.960 It was her and Jay Row Damn it was coming 1:22:18.000 --> 1:22:20.439 to Weird come. It was both. 1:22:21.280 --> 1:22:27.760 It was both and uh and gangster. Yeah yeah, and 1:22:27.880 --> 1:22:29.880 yeah they came to the store and I was there 1:22:29.960 --> 1:22:31.680 and we saw we were there. We were there to 1:22:31.720 --> 1:22:33.439 see Jay Row and we didn't even know that she 1:22:33.640 --> 1:22:33.960 was coming. 1:22:34.040 --> 1:22:36.120 It was just you know, Jay was like I would 1:22:36.120 --> 1:22:39.240 go see j Row. So then she showed up tall 1:22:39.360 --> 1:22:40.320 with like the orange hair. 1:22:40.360 --> 1:22:41.360 It was like, who is that? 1:22:41.520 --> 1:22:46.280 And so they gave us the Sunshine and the Rain tape. 1:22:46.400 --> 1:22:48.800 It was just the single that was the It was 1:22:48.880 --> 1:22:51.160 like the yellow like orange. 1:22:51.520 --> 1:22:52.040 It was yellow. 1:22:52.280 --> 1:22:54.800 Yeah, it was the yellow tape. Were just like, all right, 1:22:54.840 --> 1:22:56.400 what is this? Like all right, well I check it. 1:22:56.400 --> 1:22:58.519 Out and we took it home and it had the 1:22:58.600 --> 1:22:59.960 same It had the song on one side of it 1:23:00.080 --> 1:23:01.640 and the instrument on the other and we used to 1:23:01.640 --> 1:23:02.479 freestyle issue. 1:23:04.200 --> 1:23:07.720 Yeah, Yo, that was it. I was like, we used 1:23:07.760 --> 1:23:09.479 to yeah that instrumental man. 1:23:10.360 --> 1:23:12.920 That's what the guys from you said when I met them. 1:23:13.000 --> 1:23:15.840 We were sitting in the dungeon freestyling this y. When 1:23:15.840 --> 1:23:17.080 I came into the studio, they were like. 1:23:17.120 --> 1:23:21.160 That's the Shining Girl went ship wow. 1:23:23.040 --> 1:23:24.160 Yeah yeah. 1:23:24.640 --> 1:23:26.639 So yeah, that was to go from there to actually 1:23:26.640 --> 1:23:28.720 be able to sit and co write and produce a 1:23:28.760 --> 1:23:30.839 record with Joy and that was a great experience. 1:23:31.000 --> 1:23:34.519 I thank you. She enjoy sat on like in my crib, 1:23:34.640 --> 1:23:38.320 Like we was just in my crib and bang. That 1:23:40.080 --> 1:23:40.439 so dope. 1:23:40.920 --> 1:23:43.679 Since we're talking about experiences and recording, I just because 1:23:43.800 --> 1:23:45.920 in my mind you were part of the Equimini like 1:23:46.120 --> 1:23:48.280 recording era, right, were you a part. 1:23:48.120 --> 1:23:50.520 Of the No you came in Aliens. 1:23:50.720 --> 1:23:54.800 No, you came in at Aliens. I was like, yeah, 1:23:55.200 --> 1:23:56.880 because I feel like at some point we would hear 1:23:56.920 --> 1:23:58.160 you in the background. 1:23:59.760 --> 1:24:02.479 Yeah, I am on the album before, I guess I'm 1:24:02.520 --> 1:24:04.720 saying before that. I guess that is what I was saying. 1:24:05.439 --> 1:24:07.479 You asked me specifically about a cuemina. 1:24:07.640 --> 1:24:08.040 Is that what you have? 1:24:08.160 --> 1:24:10.759 I'm asking about that just that time period in Atlanta 1:24:11.880 --> 1:24:14.800 and that feeling. Yeah, I was there, Yeah, and its 1:24:15.040 --> 1:24:18.200 like from an outsider, it just looked like another world 1:24:18.280 --> 1:24:21.240 of heaven, I guess based on the players in that 1:24:21.400 --> 1:24:24.599 whole situation. And I was just curious from your perspective, again, 1:24:24.640 --> 1:24:25.559 that's that's perception. 1:24:26.360 --> 1:24:29.160 But what was it really like? Like during that time 1:24:29.240 --> 1:24:35.439 in Atlanta? Amongst from there was a renaissance happening. That's 1:24:35.479 --> 1:24:38.519 what I'm saying. You know, at that time we. 1:24:39.479 --> 1:24:45.919 Lived for the romantic perception of it. It was delicious, 1:24:45.960 --> 1:24:53.439 like was it like magical time and I went on deep. 1:24:53.920 --> 1:24:56.040 I mean, at times it could be there was some 1:24:56.200 --> 1:24:56.880 magical moment. 1:24:57.320 --> 1:24:58.880 Okay, you have to tell the story. 1:24:59.479 --> 1:25:01.320 The reason why you said you have to tell the 1:25:01.360 --> 1:25:04.559 story and do the impression of Rico singing you may 1:25:04.680 --> 1:25:06.120 die please. 1:25:07.840 --> 1:25:11.160 You don't remember telling you this, but dude, oh god, 1:25:11.320 --> 1:25:11.600 she was. 1:25:11.880 --> 1:25:15.360 She was very, very elevated. But it was the story 1:25:15.439 --> 1:25:18.599 of how Rico had an idea for you may die. 1:25:20.520 --> 1:25:25.120 Organized Away can have amazing ideas about melodies, but ric 1:25:25.160 --> 1:25:33.840 Away cannot see at all, like not at all, and 1:25:33.960 --> 1:25:34.960 so he was trying to. 1:25:37.479 --> 1:25:38.519 Yeah, it was so perfect. 1:25:39.560 --> 1:25:45.840 He was trying to, you know, convey how he wanted 1:25:45.920 --> 1:25:51.160 the melody to go. And I feel like he was 1:25:51.240 --> 1:25:54.720 this guy because you know, you can't be sure that's 1:25:54.760 --> 1:26:01.000 how you say. And that was actually Peaches that particular part. 1:26:02.280 --> 1:26:04.080 But as we're you know, Peace's not kind of coming 1:26:04.160 --> 1:26:06.519 up with how we you know go and floated it 1:26:06.560 --> 1:26:06.920 and went. 1:26:06.880 --> 1:26:12.840 And so y'all should do a life you can be 1:26:13.200 --> 1:26:19.519 sure a lot to get Hi, you may learn to. 1:26:19.680 --> 1:26:25.200 You God, you may die or some ship like that, 1:26:26.120 --> 1:26:30.240 and he did, but just completely out of tune. But 1:26:30.920 --> 1:26:32.880 you know what, he kind of means because you can 1:26:33.200 --> 1:26:34.760 and you know what the music is doing, and so 1:26:34.840 --> 1:26:41.560 you like actual week won't he kind of wants it 1:26:41.720 --> 1:26:45.200 like that. So then we end up, you know, pulling, 1:26:45.680 --> 1:26:48.479 get a couple of more lyrics out, and then Peaches 1:26:48.520 --> 1:26:50.280 puts a thing on it and I put the you 1:26:50.400 --> 1:26:55.760 know the backs and can you tell the babies the significance. 1:26:55.760 --> 1:26:56.840 I mean, I was in college when I used to 1:26:56.840 --> 1:26:59.640 see you girls performing and I'm just amazing. But tell 1:26:59.720 --> 1:27:03.360 people the significance of Peaches to the movement the music. 1:27:05.680 --> 1:27:14.479 Well. Wild Peach is a funk rock band from Dallas, Texas, 1:27:15.800 --> 1:27:22.759 comprised of Myrna Screechy, Peach Brown, and David wild Brown. 1:27:23.880 --> 1:27:29.439 Peaches passed in two thousand and seven. Yeah, it's been 1:27:29.520 --> 1:27:37.080 overtemed almost eleven uh Peaches in Atlanta And it was 1:27:37.160 --> 1:27:39.160 interesting because I met Peaches around the same time that 1:27:39.240 --> 1:27:40.640 I met Fishbone. 1:27:42.439 --> 1:27:43.360 Through the. 1:27:44.960 --> 1:27:48.160 Rock lockdown scene, because it was a people don't know 1:27:48.240 --> 1:27:51.120 that Atlanta had a cool ass black rock scene happening 1:27:51.920 --> 1:27:55.479 in the early nineties. There were lots of different bands, 1:27:57.080 --> 1:28:01.639 Naked Truth and Wild Peach and w Liinsteine and follow 1:28:01.720 --> 1:28:06.320 for Now and uh Moby's Trip and Love Joy and 1:28:06.439 --> 1:28:07.920 it was a lot of bands. And because what I 1:28:08.040 --> 1:28:11.000 did live, even though I was classified as R and B, 1:28:11.880 --> 1:28:15.280 what I did live translated as something more like funk rock. 1:28:16.080 --> 1:28:19.120 So I ended up meeting Peaches and becoming really good 1:28:19.160 --> 1:28:22.000 friends with her, and she was just like this. 1:28:25.640 --> 1:28:25.880 She is. 1:28:26.040 --> 1:28:32.680 She was just this incredible performer, incredible writer, incredible vocalist. 1:28:35.880 --> 1:28:39.040 And it happened to be that we bought out really 1:28:39.080 --> 1:28:44.479 good shitting each other and and we worked really well together. 1:28:44.600 --> 1:28:48.200 So we started just lacing you know, people's backs land 1:28:48.240 --> 1:28:50.439 in particular with the guys and the DF because I 1:28:50.520 --> 1:28:54.519 ended up introducing them to introducing Dave and and and 1:28:54.920 --> 1:28:56.479 Peaches to Toda. 1:28:56.840 --> 1:29:01.479 Really yeah, wow, I don't know, yeah, m hm. 1:29:02.000 --> 1:29:12.280 I am the bridge, but yeah, you know, And so 1:29:12.880 --> 1:29:17.280 that's how they ended up linking up. And from the 1:29:17.439 --> 1:29:20.040 initial you know, like it started off with Peacha singing 1:29:20.120 --> 1:29:26.320 backgrounds was with me and with a couple other sisters 1:29:26.320 --> 1:29:27.559 that were kind of interchange out. 1:29:28.360 --> 1:29:28.479 Uh. 1:29:29.479 --> 1:29:32.360 Later on Kesa Jackson will come in and she would 1:29:32.439 --> 1:29:37.360 end up being a staple there as well. Later, but 1:29:37.479 --> 1:29:43.639 it was Peach not in the beginning, and that blend 1:29:43.800 --> 1:29:45.880 and that was vocal just all that ship was killed 1:29:45.960 --> 1:29:50.400 but Peaches was you know, on the ground level from 1:29:50.439 --> 1:29:54.600 the building of things, and I bought her with me, 1:29:54.840 --> 1:29:56.960 and once she was you know, got in there, and 1:29:57.000 --> 1:29:59.320 then they were able to check out, you know, the 1:29:59.439 --> 1:30:02.160 band for the themselves and stuff. Then everybody just you know, 1:30:02.400 --> 1:30:04.400 they started loving them too. But they had already been 1:30:04.520 --> 1:30:08.839 doing their Wild Peach thing on the scene in Atlanta, 1:30:08.880 --> 1:30:10.560 and they had had like a major record deal with 1:30:10.640 --> 1:30:12.639 something that didn't you know, one of those things where 1:30:13.200 --> 1:30:14.160 they damn sure didn't know. 1:30:14.160 --> 1:30:20.479 What to do. Damn show didn't anything locally. 1:30:20.479 --> 1:30:25.240 They didn't, but they would do shows and they have 1:30:25.520 --> 1:30:27.840 these incredible ass songs that people still and I think 1:30:27.920 --> 1:30:31.680 Wild is gonna do a full release of a I 1:30:31.720 --> 1:30:34.040 think he's working on something pretty special, I think for 1:30:34.120 --> 1:30:37.840 her and for them, because the the what they brought 1:30:37.880 --> 1:30:42.360 to the table freed all of us up. Because they 1:30:42.400 --> 1:30:46.080 were also a little bit older than us, so they 1:30:46.200 --> 1:30:50.240 had just mold you know, the most seasoning on the 1:30:50.320 --> 1:30:58.799 thing too. But Peachers was a fantastic writer, a fantastic vocalist, 1:31:00.640 --> 1:31:08.599 killer fucking vocal stylist, and unlike you know, anything before 1:31:08.920 --> 1:31:14.320 or since. Yeah, absolutely, she's my sister and I fucking 1:31:14.400 --> 1:31:15.400 miss her. Every day. 1:31:16.040 --> 1:31:22.599 You mentioned something earlier, and I know that a really 1:31:22.640 --> 1:31:27.880 big influence on your life. Uh as far as your 1:31:28.000 --> 1:31:33.160 your your music was Betty Davis, could you talk about 1:31:33.800 --> 1:31:35.800 her influence on you? And have you ever gotten to 1:31:35.880 --> 1:31:37.960 meet her and have it one on one? And you 1:31:38.160 --> 1:31:45.200 never got to meet her? No, she's still Yeah, they're there. 1:31:45.479 --> 1:31:52.320 I mean there's still talks of her life, her bio 1:31:52.520 --> 1:31:59.720 in the movie whatever. But but she's very yeah, extremely reclusive. 1:32:00.800 --> 1:32:03.280 She's sort of like giving notes to the producers of 1:32:03.320 --> 1:32:05.920 the movie, like not in front of them and that 1:32:06.080 --> 1:32:07.920 sort of thing. I think she just wants to remain 1:32:07.960 --> 1:32:11.680 a mystery. But have you made attempts to try to 1:32:13.360 --> 1:32:15.040 or is that one of the heroes that you don't 1:32:15.080 --> 1:32:17.160 I don't ever want to meet my heroes, you know what. 1:32:17.280 --> 1:32:19.840 I don't give a shit about that about the meeting 1:32:19.880 --> 1:32:21.479 of heroes and things like that. 1:32:21.680 --> 1:32:23.280 So you would never like to have to sit down 1:32:23.320 --> 1:32:24.320 with her, and just I would. 1:32:24.520 --> 1:32:26.000 And that's what I'm saying. I don't care. I don't 1:32:26.040 --> 1:32:28.040 have any like, oh my god, that's my hero and 1:32:28.080 --> 1:32:30.400 then you meet them in the point now, because I 1:32:30.520 --> 1:32:32.719 know people with life is fucking crazy. It takes people 1:32:32.800 --> 1:32:35.720 down through that any goddamn thing could happen. Like for 1:32:35.840 --> 1:32:38.360 what I've created about you in my mind, that doesn't 1:32:38.360 --> 1:32:40.519 necessarily mean that that's how you're gonna be in. That's fine. 1:32:40.640 --> 1:32:42.200 I ain't gonna hold it against you. I ain't got 1:32:42.240 --> 1:32:43.920 shit to do with how bad ass that shit was 1:32:43.960 --> 1:32:46.000 that you created and influence it out of me. So 1:32:47.600 --> 1:32:49.200 but yeah, I haven't talked to her. I would love 1:32:49.320 --> 1:32:50.680 to one day when the time is right, but I 1:32:50.680 --> 1:32:53.559 would never want to push that. I wouldn't want none 1:32:53.600 --> 1:32:55.080 of that. I would only wants be able to do 1:32:55.160 --> 1:32:56.640 that if that's something she wanted to do, because I 1:32:56.680 --> 1:33:00.880 know people have tried to get and I like, don't, don't, 1:33:00.960 --> 1:33:02.760 don't do that. Just need to know I'm out here 1:33:02.760 --> 1:33:03.559 and at our rifle. 1:33:03.920 --> 1:33:07.080 Quick quick backdrop for our listeners that don't know Betty 1:33:07.160 --> 1:33:12.519 Davis uh ex wife of Miles Davis. Pretty much. I 1:33:13.040 --> 1:33:17.320 guess you could say it was basically yeah, and and 1:33:17.720 --> 1:33:20.880 sort of what you've been describing as you building the 1:33:20.920 --> 1:33:21.599 Atlanta scene. 1:33:21.640 --> 1:33:23.160 I mean, she she was a connector. 1:33:23.320 --> 1:33:27.400 She was a connector. Yeah, she was extremely important. And 1:33:28.000 --> 1:33:30.280 the funk direction that slide took with theirs a ride 1:33:30.320 --> 1:33:36.000 going on. Actually there's a tattoo on her ass that 1:33:36.120 --> 1:33:42.040 literally says that this ass invented fusion. So yeah, she was. 1:33:42.160 --> 1:33:47.400 She was very key to Miles's bitches brew development and 1:33:47.560 --> 1:33:52.760 on the corner and also with Herbie doing his funk 1:33:52.800 --> 1:33:55.720 stuff with the head Hunters and Chameleons. 1:33:55.760 --> 1:33:57.760 So how many wives did Miles have? I'm just I'm 1:33:57.760 --> 1:34:01.080 trying to place her for She's not one that you 1:34:01.200 --> 1:34:05.320 probably would have seen because people really only talk. It's 1:34:05.360 --> 1:34:07.840 mostly Cicily Tyson that people talk about that he was 1:34:07.920 --> 1:34:11.760 married to, and then maybe the one other who was Yeah, yeah, 1:34:12.400 --> 1:34:14.439 but people don't really talk about because. 1:34:13.960 --> 1:34:15.960 It was so quick, but she had she had a 1:34:16.040 --> 1:34:20.400 singing career. Kind of weird speaking of the sly thing 1:34:20.560 --> 1:34:24.000 Slide would be so notoriously late to these studio sessions 1:34:24.040 --> 1:34:29.360 that yeah, that basically the Family Stone be chilling like 1:34:29.479 --> 1:34:32.160 this during like the ride going on seventy one period 1:34:32.960 --> 1:34:36.320 that she just come around the studio and sli be 1:34:36.439 --> 1:34:39.800 going for days and missing. And that's basically how the 1:34:39.920 --> 1:34:43.599 Family Stone became her because Greg Erica produced the first album, right, yeah, 1:34:43.960 --> 1:34:47.240 exactly what I mean. But it's Jerry and Cynthia and 1:34:47.560 --> 1:34:52.360 and Freddie Stone. Yeah, yeah, pretty much. 1:34:53.520 --> 1:34:57.439 Yeah, yeah, but but you but I didn't know that 1:34:57.560 --> 1:34:59.400 particular piece. So it's because Slo would be so late 1:34:59.400 --> 1:35:00.760 and shit out to and the baby coming out, and 1:35:00.840 --> 1:35:02.400 she just ended up getting tight with everybody and they 1:35:02.439 --> 1:35:03.840 just stopped playing for her too. 1:35:04.000 --> 1:35:07.559 He'd be going for three four weeks, Mayde be sitting, 1:35:07.640 --> 1:35:08.920 so they was like, all right, let's work on her 1:35:08.960 --> 1:35:12.439 own shit. So that's how that initial album came to be. 1:35:13.120 --> 1:35:16.720 But yeah, like, why did you gravitate towards Did you 1:35:16.760 --> 1:35:19.240 feel the need to like maybe take the time that 1:35:20.760 --> 1:35:21.240 she had? 1:35:21.360 --> 1:35:26.280 And I didn't feel that until I found out about her, 1:35:26.800 --> 1:35:29.240 and I found out about her later in my life. 1:35:29.240 --> 1:35:31.800 I was already grown once I found out about her. 1:35:33.880 --> 1:35:35.800 I found out about her when I was working on 1:35:36.280 --> 1:35:37.639 Amba cleansing syndrome. 1:35:38.360 --> 1:35:39.479 Oh man, that makes sense. 1:35:40.280 --> 1:35:45.959 And Fishbone introduced me to her up but specifically Norwood 1:35:46.080 --> 1:35:51.840 Fish and jb Okay, and they were just like, cause, 1:35:51.880 --> 1:35:53.880 you know, we had been jamming together and doing shit together, 1:35:54.200 --> 1:35:55.760 on the road together and doing all that stuff, and 1:35:56.560 --> 1:35:58.560 it was just like, have you are you familiar with 1:35:58.640 --> 1:36:01.840 Betty Davis? Have you heard that? I was like the actress, 1:36:02.160 --> 1:36:09.360 you know, right, like Kim Curs. They're like no, Miles 1:36:09.479 --> 1:36:12.360 Davis's sex wife, and I was just like no, and 1:36:12.439 --> 1:36:15.719 they were like, hold up. And then they had because 1:36:15.720 --> 1:36:17.839 at that time everybody still had like, you know, cosette 1:36:18.040 --> 1:36:20.360 rare cassettes and ship that they would like keep put on. 1:36:21.120 --> 1:36:24.040 They went back there and pulled out focus sets of 1:36:24.400 --> 1:36:27.080 her ship and the first ship they played for me 1:36:27.360 --> 1:36:29.840 was if I Met Look Good God. And the first 1:36:29.920 --> 1:36:31.000 time I heard I member, I. 1:36:31.120 --> 1:36:31.600 Was just like. 1:36:33.479 --> 1:36:38.880 Mother a Like seriously, it was like a right, like 1:36:39.040 --> 1:36:41.800 some missing link type shit because the only person I 1:36:41.880 --> 1:36:44.080 had really felt connected to like that from when I 1:36:44.240 --> 1:36:46.560 was really little was like Mannie Riperton's voice used to 1:36:46.640 --> 1:36:48.680 do me like that, it resonated, it had a thing 1:36:48.800 --> 1:36:51.120 with me. And then I had a very in depth 1:36:51.160 --> 1:36:55.640 relationship with Sad as a teenager musically, and so there 1:36:55.680 --> 1:36:58.280 were just these things that you know, like there were 1:36:58.840 --> 1:37:01.120 certain but there was always something missing. There was nothing 1:37:01.600 --> 1:37:04.800 outside of like LaBelle and Funkadelic that spoke to like 1:37:05.000 --> 1:37:08.360 the go to all parts of me, but I didn't 1:37:08.439 --> 1:37:11.519 really And I love Tina Turner as well in a 1:37:11.600 --> 1:37:17.639 hardcore way for sure, but I didn't have I didn't 1:37:18.120 --> 1:37:20.920 There was still something missing in terms I hadn't seen 1:37:21.040 --> 1:37:25.200 that other part of myself in anybody else. And when 1:37:25.240 --> 1:37:27.760 I heard that part of myself and anybody else, and 1:37:27.800 --> 1:37:31.559 so when they let me hear that, I was just like, okay, 1:37:31.600 --> 1:37:34.400 So for all the new Beatty Davis people, because now 1:37:34.400 --> 1:37:35.880 I'm in it. I'm in her. You got me. I 1:37:36.600 --> 1:37:39.519 wasn't familiar. Give us a cheesy what's the album that 1:37:39.600 --> 1:37:39.880 you think? 1:37:40.000 --> 1:37:40.040 Like? 1:37:40.120 --> 1:37:41.679 Can you start with the first one. I'll just start 1:37:41.720 --> 1:37:43.479 the title Dave crank it up. 1:37:43.479 --> 1:37:47.920 I start from just three, yeah, four, So. 1:37:48.320 --> 1:37:49.800 I see Nasty Gown. I just want to go to 1:37:49.920 --> 1:37:54.479 it because it's just that's okay. But as start with 1:37:54.520 --> 1:37:56.960 the first, start with the first one, start with that one, 1:37:57.040 --> 1:37:58.720 and then go to the last. 1:37:58.800 --> 1:38:03.439 Albe was she started dating Addicted to Love Robert Palmer? 1:38:03.520 --> 1:38:04.120 Robert Farmer? 1:38:04.280 --> 1:38:05.519 Really that makes sense? 1:38:05.600 --> 1:38:08.400 Yeah, like yeah, oh, she was dating Robert Palmer? 1:38:08.479 --> 1:38:10.200 Like what a minute, But you said addicted to love? 1:38:10.600 --> 1:38:13.160 Well, that's why I was thinking of Robert Palmer. But yes, 1:38:13.320 --> 1:38:17.360 she started dating him, uh seventy eight, seventy nine, and 1:38:17.760 --> 1:38:20.400 he got her a deal on island and they made 1:38:20.439 --> 1:38:24.960 a record and then never released it. A sucker like 1:38:25.120 --> 1:38:31.440 me like went to Bleaker Bob's put a few Benjamins 1:38:31.520 --> 1:38:35.280 on it on the acid Tate. Oh wow, re released 1:38:35.320 --> 1:38:35.960 like two years later. 1:38:35.960 --> 1:38:45.599 I like, originally yeah, but that expanded me and opened 1:38:45.640 --> 1:38:47.280 me up in another kind of way, and I just 1:38:47.400 --> 1:38:50.920 felt instantly like and I saw so much of my 1:38:51.880 --> 1:38:57.519 self in her and in her journey, and I just 1:38:58.320 --> 1:39:01.000 you know, it changed me. It's one of those, you know, 1:39:01.560 --> 1:39:02.800 one of those moments in your life. 1:39:03.439 --> 1:39:05.880 Do you have any aspirations or hopes to at least 1:39:07.320 --> 1:39:10.200 be a part of her biopic or the telling of 1:39:10.280 --> 1:39:11.720 her story or Oh I would love to. 1:39:12.320 --> 1:39:16.679 I would absolutely love to. I would absolutely I would 1:39:16.760 --> 1:39:18.120 like somebody to do the ship before I get to 1:39:18.240 --> 1:39:18.599 go down. 1:39:28.000 --> 1:39:30.000 I have one more question, because I know we got 1:39:30.040 --> 1:39:33.120 a wraps in, but what it seems so obvious to me, 1:39:33.439 --> 1:39:37.560 Why have you not made a complete full album with 1:39:38.640 --> 1:39:43.840 organized noise or would that have been too obvious? Well 1:39:43.920 --> 1:39:47.960 not obvious, like you know, I mean, were you comfort 1:39:48.120 --> 1:39:51.360 with Dallas? You know, like you work well with Dallas? 1:39:51.479 --> 1:39:54.240 And has there ever been a thing like why don't 1:39:54.240 --> 1:39:56.320 you produce your work well. 1:39:56.200 --> 1:40:00.280 With whoever I'm working with, whoever want to work Has 1:40:00.320 --> 1:40:03.280 the conversation ever come up I'm working about them doing 1:40:03.360 --> 1:40:04.160 a whole album. 1:40:04.800 --> 1:40:05.320 They did. 1:40:05.960 --> 1:40:09.200 They did quite a few, you know, they did, but 1:40:09.360 --> 1:40:11.880 not an entire album. But not an entire album. No, 1:40:12.120 --> 1:40:18.679 I've not done an entire album with anybody since Pendlam Black. 1:40:19.320 --> 1:40:20.920 But I do feel that. 1:40:23.080 --> 1:40:25.920 I've worked with different producers on different ships. 1:40:26.520 --> 1:40:31.320 I would have loved to heard their production, and I 1:40:31.439 --> 1:40:34.880 just feel as though, because they did it so well 1:40:34.960 --> 1:40:37.160 with Cast and they did it so well with Goodie 1:40:37.200 --> 1:40:38.080 Mob and stuff. 1:40:37.880 --> 1:40:41.240 It was talk of doing it several times. It just 1:40:41.320 --> 1:40:47.920 didn't happen. It just didn't happen. But that was always talk. 1:40:48.000 --> 1:40:48.200 It was. 1:40:48.479 --> 1:40:50.240 It was talk of a full Joy album. It was 1:40:50.280 --> 1:40:53.400 talk of pil Trick Gangster Click album. It was talk of, 1:40:54.280 --> 1:40:57.439 you know, a full Heroin album, which was me, Peaches 1:40:57.439 --> 1:41:00.960 and Stephanie at the time. It was talks of a well, uh, 1:41:01.280 --> 1:41:03.120 you know, it's been lots of talks. It's just it 1:41:03.240 --> 1:41:06.800 just wasn't something that came to where do. 1:41:06.880 --> 1:41:11.120 Things stand now, just as far as where things are 1:41:11.240 --> 1:41:15.000 with the family, like it's just completely separate. This person's here, 1:41:15.080 --> 1:41:17.640 this person there, this person's up there, this person's down there. 1:41:18.520 --> 1:41:25.479 I mean, then you know, I'm in any situation, I'm 1:41:25.520 --> 1:41:29.160 in it. I'm always the lone wolf. Even if I'm 1:41:29.960 --> 1:41:33.599 family affiliated, I'm still the lone wolf. You know wherever 1:41:33.720 --> 1:41:38.200 I am so, Uh, everybody's good. I don't see everybody. 1:41:38.240 --> 1:41:41.000 I'm out here, you know, everybody else is in Atlanta. 1:41:42.800 --> 1:41:46.519 But everything is fine with the you know, like, people 1:41:46.560 --> 1:41:49.160 are still cool, people still work together, people still talk 1:41:49.240 --> 1:41:50.840 people each other. 1:41:51.880 --> 1:41:53.080 You played me some Sleepy stuff. 1:41:54.479 --> 1:41:54.679 Yeah. 1:41:54.760 --> 1:41:57.120 I don't know when sleep is gonna put his uh 1:41:57.600 --> 1:42:00.160 stuff out, but I think he is gonna do it 1:42:00.400 --> 1:42:02.920 fucking soon. Yeah. 1:42:03.160 --> 1:42:06.360 Oh man, you have to tell us about being a 1:42:06.439 --> 1:42:07.160 bang bang girl. 1:42:07.880 --> 1:42:15.920 Oh what a bang bang girl? Uh? So the cool 1:42:16.160 --> 1:42:19.920 thing that has happened, as like I said, the behind 1:42:19.960 --> 1:42:24.599 the scenes shit is cool. I'm fine with it. Since 1:42:24.640 --> 1:42:27.160 I've been living in LA, one of my cool hustles 1:42:27.160 --> 1:42:31.200 has been, you know, doing vocals for some for a 1:42:31.320 --> 1:42:35.840 lot of pop music, and in particular working with Max Martin. 1:42:37.720 --> 1:42:44.559 I received a call from uh name, who's the homie 1:42:44.600 --> 1:42:46.400 that I grew up with in Nashville who asked me 1:42:46.479 --> 1:42:51.639 to put together three ladies, uh some LaBelle esque type 1:42:52.000 --> 1:42:56.800 vocals h And I said okay, And I made a 1:42:56.840 --> 1:42:59.280 couple of phone calls to some ladies who I knew 1:42:59.320 --> 1:43:02.040 I could sing well with and they were available at 1:43:02.080 --> 1:43:05.240 the time, and we went to a session. We were 1:43:05.280 --> 1:43:08.720 only supposed to do one song for Max Martin and 1:43:08.840 --> 1:43:10.719 it was for something we were working on for Ariana 1:43:10.760 --> 1:43:14.240 Grande when we got there and it turned out to 1:43:14.520 --> 1:43:19.920 be Bang Bang, and so we did that one and 1:43:20.880 --> 1:43:26.160 we ended up doing like four more Jesse j and 1:43:26.200 --> 1:43:33.800 Ariana Grana. So wait a minute, she's singing vocal, so 1:43:33.880 --> 1:43:36.720 we did vocal. I did back back in vocals. So 1:43:36.800 --> 1:43:39.040 I've just been for the last few years. I've had 1:43:39.120 --> 1:43:42.960 some some pretty consistent work doing backs with Max Martin 1:43:43.120 --> 1:43:47.559 with other producers. Are you are you cool with Saya Garrett? 1:43:47.600 --> 1:43:55.360 Y'all have some similar parallel situations. I know Sayda's husband Eric, 1:43:55.920 --> 1:43:59.000 because I know Erica because she was married used to 1:43:59.040 --> 1:44:04.920 be married to my friend KP years ago. Uh huh. 1:44:05.240 --> 1:44:07.200 But I've never met Miss Saida and she's the ship, 1:44:07.439 --> 1:44:14.439 but I've never met her and she's the fucking bond. Yeah, 1:44:14.560 --> 1:44:17.439 and I respect all of her ship and just she's 1:44:17.640 --> 1:44:21.360 just the ship that's like Jesus ship. And maybe I 1:44:21.439 --> 1:44:23.679 have met her once but it was just very in passing. 1:44:23.760 --> 1:44:25.840 It wasn't anything too in depth. But yeah, the bang 1:44:25.920 --> 1:44:30.559 Bang grew Me and tar Stans and and uh uh 1:44:31.160 --> 1:44:40.720 in donbiight ye. So the three of us have been 1:44:40.760 --> 1:44:42.639 doing for the past few years and it's been it's 1:44:42.680 --> 1:44:44.880 been really cool. We haven't done anything in a bit, 1:44:45.080 --> 1:44:48.200 but so happy that y'all are like working and killing it. Yes, 1:44:48.520 --> 1:44:50.320 but we did. We've done a lot and it led 1:44:50.400 --> 1:44:52.439 to other work. So it's like with us doing that 1:44:52.600 --> 1:44:54.439 for him and with that going so well, then it 1:44:54.520 --> 1:44:56.160 was like other people that were reaching out with ship 1:44:56.400 --> 1:44:59.720 those girls and we just end them calling ourselves a 1:44:59.760 --> 1:45:01.439 bang girls because that was the first thing that we 1:45:01.560 --> 1:45:04.160 sung on together, and because Max was calling us statute 1:45:04.600 --> 1:45:07.000 and bragging that he didn't want nobody but the Bank 1:45:07.080 --> 1:45:07.559 Bank girls. 1:45:09.360 --> 1:45:10.800 Thought you were talking. 1:45:12.720 --> 1:45:15.679 Wait though, that's like a whole supergroup, joy hold one. 1:45:16.120 --> 1:45:19.679 Well it is, But you know, girl, we're just gonna 1:45:19.720 --> 1:45:25.120 work checks, dude, I mean check us out individually. 1:45:25.720 --> 1:45:37.240 That's the check you're talking about, joy A. Sorry, final questions. 1:45:38.520 --> 1:45:43.600 The Ray Ray intro, Yeah, that's that's what you have 1:45:43.720 --> 1:45:45.599 been a part of, like two of the greatest intro 1:45:45.800 --> 1:45:50.400 albums intro to albums ever and Ray Ray Thank. 1:45:50.240 --> 1:45:53.439 You, Ray left Me Alone. He was working on that project. 1:45:53.479 --> 1:45:55.080 He just left me in the studio. 1:45:55.680 --> 1:45:56.880 Whatever, dude, can. 1:45:56.760 --> 1:45:57.519 You write me something? 1:45:57.560 --> 1:46:00.479 I was like, and what I said was, I love that. 1:46:01.120 --> 1:46:03.080 I was like, I'm gonna write you. I'm gonna write 1:46:03.120 --> 1:46:06.280 your intro song. I'm gonna write your intro some theme music. 1:46:06.400 --> 1:46:08.960 That's what I said. Like I got me. I was like, 1:46:08.960 --> 1:46:11.400 I'm gonna give you something. It'll be your version. It's like, okay. 1:46:11.600 --> 1:46:13.160 So he left me in then and I wrote to 1:46:17.320 --> 1:46:19.120 making Mighty in l A. 1:46:20.560 --> 1:46:28.400 Yeah, but that's right right. 1:46:30.400 --> 1:46:35.679 We almost had a Joynte duet. Everybody else. 1:46:39.400 --> 1:46:51.040 You can kiss my entire black he is. 1:46:53.320 --> 1:46:55.040 But yeah, that was one I love. That's one of 1:46:55.120 --> 1:46:58.200 my favorite things I've done. It was very funny making it. 1:46:58.479 --> 1:46:59.560 It was and he loved it. 1:46:59.680 --> 1:47:02.560 So I was glad that, you know, glad I was 1:47:02.640 --> 1:47:03.840 able to Was that given? 1:47:04.600 --> 1:47:07.840 Was that after before y'all did I'm So Famous? After 1:47:08.000 --> 1:47:10.160 that was after okay all right? Yeah, that was after 1:47:10.280 --> 1:47:12.040 I thank you that. But I want to infess it 1:47:12.120 --> 1:47:14.280 to the world. Thank you, thank you, I love I'm 1:47:14.320 --> 1:47:14.799 so famous. 1:47:14.920 --> 1:47:17.240 Thank you, Slam the Bombers. 1:47:17.560 --> 1:47:20.439 Yeah, dance Yesterday's dance Yesterday. That's my favorite one. 1:47:20.560 --> 1:47:22.080 Thank you, Thank you. 1:47:22.400 --> 1:47:26.479 Is there a new albumm Yes when when when we sing? 1:47:26.479 --> 1:47:29.760 It was January twenty first, Jerry twenty field. I'm sorry 1:47:29.800 --> 1:47:31.240 my birthday birthday. 1:47:31.960 --> 1:47:34.519 So it's already out now, all right, Yes. 1:47:34.479 --> 1:47:35.040 That's what I'm here. 1:47:35.640 --> 1:47:40.680 It's already yeahend to you. What the album is called, sir, 1:47:40.800 --> 1:47:41.800 Rebecca Holy Love? 1:47:42.880 --> 1:47:45.519 Yeah? Why you changed your Twitter name? I was like, 1:47:45.840 --> 1:47:46.599 must be a new album? 1:47:47.960 --> 1:47:48.080 Is that? 1:47:48.320 --> 1:47:50.040 Is that like a fierce type thing or is there 1:47:50.080 --> 1:47:50.760 a story behind that? 1:47:50.960 --> 1:47:56.599 Well, you know, I'm Tennessee slim. It's just another alias 1:47:57.160 --> 1:48:02.639 Rebecca Savage, Immortal and Righteous Rebecca Holy Love. Us about 1:48:02.680 --> 1:48:09.160 Rebecca Rebecca is the you know, a woman fully realized 1:48:09.200 --> 1:48:15.920 stepping into her Christ's heads face and fully realizing the 1:48:16.600 --> 1:48:21.760 wrong you know, the the not too much difference, uh 1:48:23.560 --> 1:48:26.160 what really almost well, the duality of things. That's what 1:48:26.240 --> 1:48:28.519 she She's a woman who realizes the duality of things. 1:48:28.600 --> 1:48:34.439 And she's forgiving and uh accepting, and she's peaceful and 1:48:34.640 --> 1:48:42.280 she uh resists the confinements of constructs and she'll get 1:48:42.360 --> 1:48:44.760 I mean she could also you know, help you bury 1:48:44.840 --> 1:48:49.840 the body. But she can also she can also you know, 1:48:50.120 --> 1:48:54.559 be your ball and sooth you. She can do that too. 1:48:56.280 --> 1:48:56.560 Thank you. 1:49:00.520 --> 1:49:02.640 Ship Okay, I was hoping to get in there. I 1:49:02.720 --> 1:49:05.879 was like, damn independent, absolutely fantastic. 1:49:06.080 --> 1:49:09.559 M hm mm hmm. We and the fan and got 1:49:09.600 --> 1:49:12.840 a cool little team. We're just gonna keep We're gonna 1:49:12.840 --> 1:49:14.240 take it one step at the time and just keep 1:49:14.320 --> 1:49:17.160 pushing that joker. You're going tour with Forward. I am 1:49:17.240 --> 1:49:18.840 going to to it. I need a booking agent. That's 1:49:18.880 --> 1:49:20.920 what I'm looking for now. I need somebody to book 1:49:21.000 --> 1:49:22.280 these shows. 1:49:22.560 --> 1:49:25.920 All right, from your now to the ears of the 1:49:26.080 --> 1:49:35.200 hardest work. Listening to a podcast that should be Questo Supreme, 1:49:35.400 --> 1:49:38.880 God's favorite podcast. Yes, that's it. 1:49:39.360 --> 1:49:42.400 But I'm excited, and uh, I'm excited about the work 1:49:42.439 --> 1:49:46.920 I produced. H hands on, I produced, I say four 1:49:48.200 --> 1:50:02.760 and I work with brook the Low. Yeah, I mean god, damn, 1:50:02.840 --> 1:50:03.880 y'all didn't respond like that. 1:50:07.439 --> 1:50:10.920 We didn't expect to hear Brooks and Christmas. 1:50:12.360 --> 1:50:12.559 Yeah. 1:50:12.920 --> 1:50:15.720 We were literally just talking about this before you got here, 1:50:15.760 --> 1:50:19.040 about how like you know, artists, I mean not to 1:50:19.040 --> 1:50:22.640 say they got drafted, well yeah, gotted, and also just 1:50:22.720 --> 1:50:26.080 how like artists that are you know, of the older generation, 1:50:26.680 --> 1:50:29.120 how they need to work with like the new Jacks 1:50:29.160 --> 1:50:31.599 that grew up listening to them, you know, what I'm saying, 1:50:31.680 --> 1:50:32.920 like they need that and you don't. 1:50:33.160 --> 1:50:34.760 You don't really see too much of that now, you 1:50:34.840 --> 1:50:35.240 know what I mean. 1:50:35.320 --> 1:50:37.960 I mean just like half and half. He's one of them, 1:50:38.040 --> 1:50:41.679 and then he's not. You were not that young. He's 1:50:41.720 --> 1:50:45.400 not forty either, But they're the they're the ogs of 1:50:45.520 --> 1:50:48.960 the younger badasses that now exactly they were around to 1:50:49.080 --> 1:50:53.680 see it. They weren't the younger and they're trailblazers and 1:50:53.920 --> 1:50:58.000 kick ass fucking originals, you know. But I'm excited. Brooke 1:50:58.040 --> 1:51:00.880 did an amazing James fantastic. 1:51:01.360 --> 1:51:05.040 Observation on note, this is the first time in all 1:51:05.120 --> 1:51:11.080 these episodes that I've seen Bill get genuinely excited about 1:51:11.320 --> 1:51:14.600 music coming out, Like you awakened something in him that 1:51:14.840 --> 1:51:17.160 has been dead for so long. 1:51:18.120 --> 1:51:18.519 Excited. 1:51:19.439 --> 1:51:22.639 Wow, because he hates everything. 1:51:22.720 --> 1:51:24.960 I mean, I'm and I'm I'm pleased with the album 1:51:25.080 --> 1:51:26.720 is you know, it's fucking bumped. I can't wait for 1:51:26.800 --> 1:51:30.320 the show. It's bumping. It's bass heavy, it's mostly up Temple, 1:51:31.000 --> 1:51:33.640 Ship Jam, mid Temple and up Temple, and it's a 1:51:33.720 --> 1:51:37.400 couple of you know, slow ones. On book is a 1:51:37.520 --> 1:51:41.040 drum smith and a and a and a hardcore techner 1:51:41.320 --> 1:51:41.920 yes he is. 1:51:42.160 --> 1:51:44.120 And for those of those listening that don't know who 1:51:44.200 --> 1:51:47.240 Brook is, he produced Miguel's a Door, right, Yes he did, and. 1:51:49.160 --> 1:51:50.600 I think well he was. It was part of the 1:51:50.600 --> 1:51:52.879 Grammy performance at least. 1:51:52.920 --> 1:51:53.439 But he did. 1:51:53.800 --> 1:51:57.400 Yeah, he produced a gouble of the US. 1:51:59.200 --> 1:52:02.759 Yeah, but but yeah, he's just a ridiculous tunes smith. 1:52:03.800 --> 1:52:07.160 And and it really helped me get my drums together. 1:52:09.080 --> 1:52:12.360 I'm fine with my beats be five, but I needed 1:52:12.439 --> 1:52:14.800 help getting them like chunky, like the sonics of them, 1:52:14.800 --> 1:52:16.040 getting them wide and full. 1:52:16.960 --> 1:52:20.880 He really helped me, saying you take long tedious trump 1:52:20.920 --> 1:52:29.840 sells on stage, just joking anyway, just playing anyway, Joey, 1:52:30.360 --> 1:52:32.840 we thank you. This is this is like our first 1:52:32.880 --> 1:52:34.720 world cover. I feel like I know you now it 1:52:34.880 --> 1:52:36.360 is our first. 1:52:38.000 --> 1:52:39.519 Well, no, this is, I said. Remember we had a 1:52:39.640 --> 1:52:42.960 really great conversation at Dark when I let you listen 1:52:43.120 --> 1:52:44.439 to Star. 1:52:45.360 --> 1:52:48.280 Yes, yes, you can talk about that record at all. 1:52:48.560 --> 1:52:50.920 We didn't need to start kitting that was that was 1:52:51.000 --> 1:52:56.360 record you and rafter he know he did. Tennessee, he 1:52:56.800 --> 1:52:59.599 was exactly producer. That's one of my favorite one. 1:52:59.640 --> 1:53:02.439 He said. Well, Tennessee, sim is the bond, he says, 1:53:02.840 --> 1:53:04.519 and this is out of his mouth. He says, I 1:53:04.560 --> 1:53:06.760 didn't produce that record. I just played bass on a 1:53:06.800 --> 1:53:10.240 couple of songs, That's. 1:53:09.160 --> 1:53:09.679 What he said. 1:53:09.720 --> 1:53:10.160 That's nice. 1:53:10.160 --> 1:53:12.280 And he says, you produced that record, and I did. 1:53:12.400 --> 1:53:15.280 And I am like that with all of my projects. 1:53:15.400 --> 1:53:19.880 But I choose wisely on who I choose to work 1:53:19.920 --> 1:53:22.439 with because they bring out the best in me and 1:53:22.560 --> 1:53:24.479 I them. So I appreciate Ray for that. But yeah, 1:53:24.479 --> 1:53:27.519 Tennse simm was one of my favorite. Now that was half. 1:53:28.240 --> 1:53:30.599 Some of it was Dallas, some of it was Organized Noise, 1:53:30.680 --> 1:53:34.560 some of it was Raphael and this other cat. I 1:53:34.640 --> 1:53:39.439 can't even remember that brother's name right now, Andre something fuck, 1:53:40.160 --> 1:53:42.920 I don't remember. But those were the people that worked 1:53:42.960 --> 1:53:46.320 on Star Kitty. So I was already out from under 1:53:46.400 --> 1:53:47.040 Dallas at that. 1:53:47.160 --> 1:53:47.640 Time, and. 1:53:50.240 --> 1:53:52.080 I'm glad to be here. I'm glad I was here. 1:53:52.120 --> 1:53:52.599 It was fun. 1:53:53.920 --> 1:53:57.200 Thank you. Well, you're awesome too. 1:53:57.240 --> 1:54:00.919 Thank you, and I appreciate it. We think the look amazing. 1:54:01.040 --> 1:54:02.920 I can't see you here, so I just want everybody. 1:54:02.640 --> 1:54:04.280 To know we'll get all the looks. 1:54:04.320 --> 1:54:09.040 Andre Betts, Andre Betts, thank you, and brother and b 1:54:09.240 --> 1:54:14.519 T T T and human Nature. I'm like, wait and 1:54:14.800 --> 1:54:15.679 Bets he did get. 1:54:15.560 --> 1:54:18.639 On okay on the album Yeah we got him Andre 1:54:18.760 --> 1:54:21.760 Betts all right well, or be half of the team 1:54:21.840 --> 1:54:28.760 Supreme fan take a little uh boss Billy and our 1:54:28.880 --> 1:54:31.320 guests Joy, Thank you very much. Thank you for the 1:54:31.400 --> 1:54:35.280 confooks at west Lake Audio. This is an awesome experience. 1:54:35.360 --> 1:54:38.200 Shout out the bubbles. Shout out the bubbles. Yeah, bubbles, 1:54:38.280 --> 1:54:40.280 room up there, bubble looking down over us. 1:54:41.400 --> 1:54:43.600 Thank you Coco, because we are bringing out the year 1:54:43.600 --> 1:54:44.760 with a female engineer. 1:54:44.920 --> 1:54:45.160 Bam. 1:54:52.040 --> 1:54:58.440 All right, y'all, or when we have a Team Supreme. 1:54:58.520 --> 1:55:00.560 This is Quest Love Man. We'll see you on the 1:55:00.600 --> 1:55:12.720 next go round. Thank you very much. Quest Love Supreme 1:55:12.840 --> 1:55:16.640 is a production of iHeartRadio. This classic episode was produced 1:55:16.640 --> 1:55:23.480 by the team at Pandora. For more podcasts from iHeartRadio, 1:55:23.640 --> 1:55:27.360 visit the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen 1:55:27.400 --> 1:55:28.320 to your favorite shows.