WEBVTT - How To Build A Revolution: Myanmar, Part Two

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<v Speaker 1>Like many people in Myanmar, the boys weren't usually.

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<v Speaker 2>Political before the protests, but what they saw in the

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<v Speaker 2>streets change them. This wasn't about a minor disagreement between

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<v Speaker 2>two parties. It was about fighting for the right to

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<v Speaker 2>live their life without a boot on their necks. The

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<v Speaker 2>twenty twenty one election had delivered victory to Angsan Suchi's

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<v Speaker 2>National League for Democracy and delivered a resounding vote of

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<v Speaker 2>no confidence in the political arm of the toppler door,

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<v Speaker 2>the nation's military. It's worth noting here that, yes, we

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<v Speaker 2>are compressing some complex things. The elections weren't perfect, and

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<v Speaker 2>people in areas that were largely non bermin tend not

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<v Speaker 2>to support the NLD. The NLD had failed to prevent

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<v Speaker 2>a genocide, but in the country that was well accustomed

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<v Speaker 2>to harsh military rule, there remained a better option than

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<v Speaker 2>a military which saw ruling as its right and it

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<v Speaker 2>sold just a separate from the citizens. So when the

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<v Speaker 2>military lost a record number of seats, everyone knew what

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<v Speaker 2>would happen next, The same thing that happened in nineteen

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<v Speaker 2>eighty eight, the same thing that always happened when the

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<v Speaker 2>people came a little too close to taking power from

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<v Speaker 2>their military.

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<v Speaker 3>So that happened on February first, twenty one, and first

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<v Speaker 3>few days we didn't know what to do. We I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>we knew the military was going to make it coop

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<v Speaker 3>because one the NLD won the election. That's why, that's

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<v Speaker 3>how it started, right and then, and the military is

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<v Speaker 3>saying that they you know, they cheated, they like, I

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<v Speaker 3>don't know how to say, they like fucked up the

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<v Speaker 3>votes and you know they make themselves win. It wasn't true.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, the military was not going to win at all.

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<v Speaker 3>Like it was because, like I said, there were changes.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, people saw those changes, and people were saying, yes,

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<v Speaker 3>if she had one more you know, like four more years,

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<v Speaker 3>five more years, she could make a real difference.

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<v Speaker 2>Those first few days of protest, everyone says felt hopeful,

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<v Speaker 2>just like our protagonists and Zor who he met in

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<v Speaker 2>the previous episode, thousands of young people ran into the

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<v Speaker 2>street and found solidarity in a simple politics. The fuck

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<v Speaker 2>that guy.

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<v Speaker 3>There were so many people, man, it's insane. So in

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<v Speaker 3>Yawadi there was I think two hundred thousand people that day.

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<v Speaker 2>The march's got bigger every day and it seemed like

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<v Speaker 2>nothing could stop them. Briefly, Western news organizations published stories,

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<v Speaker 2>and everyone hoped that the UN or the US or

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<v Speaker 2>the EU would show up and the Top Modo would

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<v Speaker 2>be dealt with once and for all.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I was trying to film, but then one of

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<v Speaker 3>the guys pointed a gun at me, and I.

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<v Speaker 4>Was like, but none of that happened. The story stopped.

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<v Speaker 4>The West never sent a single bullet or soldier, and

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<v Speaker 4>the Top Meda deployed thousands. Even after a year. All

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<v Speaker 4>the boys remember the first time they saw the force

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<v Speaker 4>of the state turned against them. Even before he got

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<v Speaker 4>out out of the border town of Malwadi, Andy saw

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<v Speaker 4>the Top Madow begin to fight back against the movement

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<v Speaker 4>that had grown up to oppose them. It's a story

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<v Speaker 4>we heard from everyone we spoke to. Once they began organizing,

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<v Speaker 4>the cops started trying to infiltrate their groups.

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<v Speaker 3>I think police and military started realizing that we are

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<v Speaker 3>that group too, So then they started trying to like

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<v Speaker 3>track down. So there was one night where two of

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<v Speaker 3>the guys almost got rested and then they run away

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<v Speaker 3>and then we're like, okay, they are kind of following us. Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>and so after a week, same thing happened. I was

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<v Speaker 3>living because I wasn't from Yawadi. They didn't know. I

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<v Speaker 3>was just a new face, so they didn't really know

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<v Speaker 3>where I live or you know, and I always like

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<v Speaker 3>take like two three taxi just to get to where

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<v Speaker 3>I was staying. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, but you like switching. No,

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<v Speaker 3>that was the same place, but it was out of town.

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<v Speaker 4>Three of his friends got arrested. They're still in jail.

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<v Speaker 4>Actually in jail is the best case scenario because the

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<v Speaker 4>top ma doal make a habit of executing captured activists.

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<v Speaker 4>The stakes were life and death at every moment, and

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<v Speaker 4>covering the movement on a daily basis took its toll

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<v Speaker 4>on Andy and his brothers too.

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<v Speaker 3>So my younger brother. They were in the capital CD

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<v Speaker 3>and that the first time the military killed someone, they

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<v Speaker 3>were there. They were in the same protest, so they

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<v Speaker 3>saw the whole thing, and you know, they were traumatized.

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<v Speaker 3>And so I thought the second time I went back in,

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<v Speaker 3>I thought, well, you know, like it's better to bring

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<v Speaker 3>them all together with me, like in the same place

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<v Speaker 3>and we do it together than all of us spread

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<v Speaker 3>out everywhere, you know. And like I say, my family's

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<v Speaker 3>military kind of on the military side. So they didn't

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<v Speaker 3>like that my brothers were going out to protest. So

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<v Speaker 3>then I was like, Okay, I'm going to bring you guys,

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<v Speaker 3>and yeah, so we did all we did the young

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<v Speaker 3>On protests together, six of us.

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<v Speaker 4>They came face to face with the potential cost of

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<v Speaker 4>their struggle and they were in.

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<v Speaker 3>When that happened. The couple memoir. And it's military city,

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<v Speaker 3>so it's very heavily controlled by the military. And the

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<v Speaker 3>first time they went out to protest, the military shoot people.

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<v Speaker 3>And he was, yeah, there was like these trucks with

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<v Speaker 3>the water pennants. So he got hit by one and

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<v Speaker 3>like he he wasn't viewing well, so they took him

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<v Speaker 3>to the ambulance. But then once he got in there,

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<v Speaker 3>there was a guy without his eyes because they shot

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<v Speaker 3>like bullets into him. He was fucking traumatized for that. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>I remember when Andy says Napier Daw is a military city,

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<v Speaker 4>he isn't just saying it's a city like Colleen, Texas

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<v Speaker 4>or San Diego. Napio Daw is a city created out

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<v Speaker 4>of nothing starting in two thousand and two to be

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<v Speaker 4>a capital for Meanmar. If you've seen it at all,

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<v Speaker 4>it's probably in a TV show that mocks the totalitarian

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<v Speaker 4>excess of building seven lane motorways in a city that

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<v Speaker 4>was until recently only populated by the people building it.

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<v Speaker 4>Top Gear played carfoot ball on the empty freeways, and

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<v Speaker 4>the TV showed dark Tourists also featured the city today.

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<v Speaker 4>It is a real city with a real population, but

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<v Speaker 4>everything about it was designed to reinforce authority. And yet

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<v Speaker 4>the boys and thousands of others took to the streets

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<v Speaker 4>here streets built to reinforce the power of the people.

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<v Speaker 4>They were fighting to demand that the military listened to them.

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<v Speaker 4>Andy shows us a picture of the man with his

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<v Speaker 4>eyes shot out. It looks how you think it would,

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<v Speaker 4>and it is worth noting that shooting people's eyes out

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<v Speaker 4>is a time honored international policing tactic. In twenty twenty,

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<v Speaker 4>US cop shot more than one hundred and fifteen people

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<v Speaker 4>in the face with less legal munitions. Thirty suffered permanent

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<v Speaker 4>damage to their eyes. But in Myanmar everything escalated several

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<v Speaker 4>levels higher than that. Shooting out eyes wasn't radical violence

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<v Speaker 4>for the Tautmadaw. They treated it more like stretching before

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<v Speaker 4>a run. In one protest, the boys saw some drunk

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<v Speaker 4>people tossing water bottles at the police. The police responded

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<v Speaker 4>with live gun fire on the polishkan fall.

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<v Speaker 5>Peoples are turned to the backside.

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<v Speaker 1>And they retreat. Yeah, very situation. Peoples are running.

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<v Speaker 6>They also some guys during rocks back to the police.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's when the police started shooting.

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<v Speaker 4>And he translated the next part for us.

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<v Speaker 3>He so he was in the protest and then they

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<v Speaker 3>started shooting and he ran away. And but he was

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<v Speaker 3>not in his neighborhood, in his area of the city.

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<v Speaker 3>He was somewhere else. So when they started running, he

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<v Speaker 3>didn't have anywhere to go. And then someone like accept

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<v Speaker 3>him at the house. They say coming, come in, and

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<v Speaker 3>he hid. But yeah, so yeah, he hit in the

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<v Speaker 3>for like two hours until they shooting stopped.

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<v Speaker 2>It wasn't until they got home that they realized the

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<v Speaker 2>police had killed someone. In the early days of what

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<v Speaker 2>became the Revolution, people formed tight bonds and made radical

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<v Speaker 2>commitments in the form of legal activity. While the top

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<v Speaker 2>model was still scrambling to counter the counter coup, everyone

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<v Speaker 2>felt the clamp down bite at a different time. It

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<v Speaker 2>took longer than average for the cops to find a

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<v Speaker 2>mirror and her card of revolutionaries, but eventually that day came.

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<v Speaker 2>It came as she and her friends were gathered in

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<v Speaker 2>a tea shop preparing for an action.

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<v Speaker 5>At that time on that day, they are trying to

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<v Speaker 5>protects in the Sanjan profniance. Yea, so before the protests

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<v Speaker 5>that they cattering the people at the tea shop. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 5>they sat in the table with her teams about including

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<v Speaker 5>her five people, but she had to go and give

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<v Speaker 5>the banner yeah to the other groups. So she's leaving

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<v Speaker 5>just about like this match. And then then the soldiers

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<v Speaker 5>came into the tea shop and then arrested her teammates.

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<v Speaker 5>She's lucky to escape, yeah, yeah, really narrow you know. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So did she leave immediately?

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, So that's how she came here because her teammates

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<v Speaker 5>know where she lives, her house and everything, so she

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<v Speaker 5>has no choice to stay in a youngle But then

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<v Speaker 5>she stay organizing her teams to the protests and the

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<v Speaker 5>younger from here? From here?

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<v Speaker 1>What did her parents think when she had to leave?

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<v Speaker 3>Right?

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<v Speaker 5>So her parents told her, uh, the survival, it is

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<v Speaker 5>the first so she can't do whatever she wants and

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<v Speaker 5>then but she have to be on her own, okay,

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<v Speaker 5>well yeah, and then they don't they agree, you know,

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<v Speaker 5>like if if she wants to leave, just leave. If

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<v Speaker 5>she s they want to do the you know, protesting

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<v Speaker 5>or whatever she wants, and they're not saying no to her.

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<v Speaker 1>But they're not supporting it. They're just sort of thing.

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<v Speaker 1>She's on her own.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, she's on her own. That that's how last night

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<v Speaker 5>I told you guys that she lost her inheritance, like

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<v Speaker 5>you know, she had to give up on everything.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, ever, in San Francisco, t K could see what

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<v Speaker 2>was happening through his scouts on the ground and soldiers

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<v Speaker 2>posts on Facebook. He started to amass a huge amount

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<v Speaker 2>of intel. He also knew where the underground groups and

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<v Speaker 2>what obedience movement centers were in the cities, and when

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<v Speaker 2>he saw the cops of the military coming for them,

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<v Speaker 2>he was able to give them a heads up.

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<v Speaker 5>So whenever we we have like uh, you know, uh

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<v Speaker 5>information about from the you know, some CDM soldiers, some

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<v Speaker 5>city and police, and then they give him the informations

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<v Speaker 5>a hat so we got the informations, so like, okay,

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<v Speaker 5>those guys are going to the you know, let's say, okay,

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<v Speaker 5>this place and then within one hour there so from

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<v Speaker 5>that place, whoever live in the underground teams move out yeah,

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<v Speaker 5>get yeah, so so so that kind of things. Uh

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<v Speaker 5>with with that, we save a lot of people too,

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<v Speaker 5>And then we got arrested people too, But we also

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<v Speaker 5>saved people.

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<v Speaker 2>Everyone we spoke to you told us the same story.

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<v Speaker 2>They went into the street thinking that if they made

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<v Speaker 2>enough noise, the world would listen, and that the US

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<v Speaker 2>or the EU or the UN would defend democracy and

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<v Speaker 2>evoke their responsibility to protect innocent people being gunned down

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<v Speaker 2>in the street, to quote from the online publication of

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<v Speaker 2>the Diplomat endorsed by all Member States of the United

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<v Speaker 2>Nations in two thousand and five. R two P Advance

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<v Speaker 2>is a potentially revolutionary idea that state sovereignty entails a

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<v Speaker 2>responsibility for a government to protect its population from massa

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<v Speaker 2>trusty crimes and human rights violations. When a nation fails

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<v Speaker 2>to exercise this responsibility, R two P grants the international

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<v Speaker 2>community the legal warrant to intervene. The doctrine authorizes the

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<v Speaker 2>use for a range of coercive tools, which military intervention

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<v Speaker 2>as a last resort. People in Myanmar thought that if

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<v Speaker 2>they were peaceful, civil and respectable, the government of the

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<v Speaker 2>world would do the right thing. The government of the world, however,

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<v Speaker 2>didn't give a fuck.

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<v Speaker 3>But yeah, so the protests are very very peaceful. You know.

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<v Speaker 3>It's when you go into the protest, it's very peaceful,

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<v Speaker 3>very organized, very it's they try to make it look

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<v Speaker 3>so clean, so nice, because I guess you know, no,

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<v Speaker 3>it was at the beginning they were trying to get

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<v Speaker 3>attention from the international community, and they were hoping that

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<v Speaker 3>someone will come in and say, you know, take down

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<v Speaker 3>the military and put our government back. Yeah, a lot

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<v Speaker 3>of people die, just like there was a saying like

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<v Speaker 3>to you, and you know, people were saying how many like,

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<v Speaker 3>how many dead people do you need for you to

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<v Speaker 3>take action? Right? And there are people saying I will

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<v Speaker 3>if you need one more, I'll be that person. I'll

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<v Speaker 3>just fucking die. I'll just get killed by the military

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<v Speaker 3>so that you will come in and fix it and

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<v Speaker 3>change this situation in the country.

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<v Speaker 1>Right.

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<v Speaker 2>Amiror felt the same. She even organized a protest five

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<v Speaker 2>hundred people displaying a map of the whole country on

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<v Speaker 2>the river in Yangon. She called it a suicide mission,

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<v Speaker 2>but she thought it would send a visible signal to

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<v Speaker 2>the world and it was worth risking her life to

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<v Speaker 2>make the statement.

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<v Speaker 3>I realized.

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<v Speaker 5>At the time. She she she didn't know anything about

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<v Speaker 5>the politics, so she believed in our two p because uh,

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<v Speaker 5>people are protesting peacefully, but the government take the ash

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<v Speaker 5>in so other countries not gonna wait and un see

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<v Speaker 5>and then they're gonna take the actions about that. That's

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<v Speaker 5>what she believed in. And then she she decided to

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<v Speaker 5>go protesting peacefully theater and.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, did she think that other countries, United States, whatever,

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<v Speaker 4>we're gonna come in and intervene.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, yeah, that that that's what she thought, Like you know,

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<v Speaker 5>when the wall see the government take the ashans and

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<v Speaker 5>the government are killing people, and if they if the

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<v Speaker 5>war knows, and then we can get a hab from

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<v Speaker 5>the from the other countries.

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<v Speaker 2>Where they did find support within other countries in Asia

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<v Speaker 2>fighting against dictatorship, they formed so called milk Tea. Aligns

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<v Speaker 2>drew on the example of Hong Kong to learn how

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<v Speaker 2>to stay in the streets where the government doesn't want

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<v Speaker 2>you there.

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<v Speaker 3>But then one happens in our country, it's like, oh fuck,

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<v Speaker 3>where does it happen before? And then we went back

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<v Speaker 3>straight with Hong Kong and there was it's not just us,

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<v Speaker 3>like there was so much infographics and like you know,

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<v Speaker 3>how to be in the protest, how to do certain things.

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<v Speaker 3>It depending on the situation. So we had a lot

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<v Speaker 3>of information. We were yeah, we were looking through and

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<v Speaker 3>I think that these are the same thing that like

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<v Speaker 3>people in Hong Kong used, I think.

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<v Speaker 2>But Hong Kong didn't have snipers shooting kids in the

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<v Speaker 2>head or cops furrowing rifles blindly into crowds.

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<v Speaker 3>But then later on, like by the time we got

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<v Speaker 3>to young and people were sitting down, they were little protests.

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<v Speaker 3>What the military does is they were coming and they

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<v Speaker 3>would just start shooting everyone. There was no there's no negotiation,

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<v Speaker 3>there was no hey, guys, can you move? And then

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<v Speaker 3>you know, any any of that stuff. They would coming

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<v Speaker 3>and they they would treat this as a battlefield. And

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<v Speaker 3>it didn't take a while. It didn't well, it did

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<v Speaker 3>take a while. I think it took about like a

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<v Speaker 3>month and a half for us to finally say, fuck

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<v Speaker 3>the peaceful protests, Fuck the international community, they're not coming.

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<v Speaker 3>If they were to come, they would have come a

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<v Speaker 3>long time ago, you know. And we started fighting back.

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<v Speaker 3>But when we say we fight back, it's like molotolf cocktails, slingshots.

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<v Speaker 2>Doctor Wonder knew exactly when and how place he would

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<v Speaker 2>spend his days triarging people who would survive from those

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<v Speaker 2>who might not make it. Soon, the worst nightmares of

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<v Speaker 2>his medical team are coming true. The police began seizing

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<v Speaker 2>his colleagues the alleged crime of saving lives.

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<v Speaker 6>I remember before the Meli police amilyfi man and totally

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<v Speaker 6>totally impluded our hospital one day. I think at the

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<v Speaker 6>midda of their may Okay, they totally interluded our horse

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<v Speaker 6>there because they have far, they have hearts. Our city

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<v Speaker 6>and doctors are doing operations at that hospital because we

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<v Speaker 6>have no no, no another place like that traumassetter. We

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<v Speaker 6>we could give uh good treatment for that traumatic patient

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<v Speaker 6>because we have to.

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<v Speaker 3>Take a risk.

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<v Speaker 6>So we're gonna take a rest soon. One of our

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<v Speaker 6>concenters was arrested at that emergency unit. Wow, okay, because

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<v Speaker 6>he took he took also his rais. But if he

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<v Speaker 6>wasn't here, his junior can can't handle that situation.

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<v Speaker 3>You know.

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<v Speaker 6>You know, so many tense handress injury injury patients on

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<v Speaker 6>that day mostly are can short patient. You know, Samma

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<v Speaker 6>open a doomen open limes. Okay, so we have so

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<v Speaker 6>many prices.

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<v Speaker 1>On that Now things only got worse m yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. There was a pregnant woman who got shot and

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<v Speaker 3>obviously with the kids better and she died because she

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<v Speaker 3>accepted like twenty protesters in her house and when they came,

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<v Speaker 3>they shot her death. And she wasn't like five weeks

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<v Speaker 3>or it's it's you can see that she was pregnant.

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<v Speaker 3>The military, you straight up real bullets, like they don't

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<v Speaker 3>give a shit, They don't give a shit that the

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<v Speaker 3>way the military controlled people is fear right, So then

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<v Speaker 3>they want people to see that if you go against me,

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<v Speaker 3>you'll die horribly, and they shoot hat. We saw so

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<v Speaker 3>many faces with holes, you know, so many people with

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<v Speaker 3>holes in their face. It was fucked up, and it

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<v Speaker 3>was scary because every time you go out, you're saying,

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<v Speaker 3>that could be me, that could be my brothers, that

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<v Speaker 3>could be you know.

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<v Speaker 2>Very quickly the revolution organized itself, not with hierarchies, officers,

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<v Speaker 2>or vanguard parties. The people who'd existed in those roles

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<v Speaker 2>had already been arrested or fled, so instead the revolution

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<v Speaker 2>started with people giving whatever they could to the struggle

0:19:09.160 --> 0:19:12.680
<v Speaker 2>and taking whatever they needed to get by the revolutionaries

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<v Speaker 2>we interviewed all initially thought that the struggle would be

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<v Speaker 2>sure that the world would come to their aid. But

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<v Speaker 2>even when it became clear that this was not the case,

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<v Speaker 2>they continued to fight under the logic it's better to

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<v Speaker 2>die than live with a boote on your neck.

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<v Speaker 3>They took all the leaders from the opposition side, so

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<v Speaker 3>there was no one to tell us what to do.

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<v Speaker 3>There was no instructions, right, so there was like two

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<v Speaker 3>days of Okay, what the fuck do we do? You know?

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<v Speaker 3>And then people started protesting, but small, like very small,

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<v Speaker 3>and then I think after like five days then there

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<v Speaker 3>was like two hundred thousand people everywhere. Like no that

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<v Speaker 3>I remember the first day we arrived. I mean, we

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<v Speaker 3>haven't seen each other but since COVID started, so it

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<v Speaker 3>was like, ah, well there, you know, back again and together.

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<v Speaker 3>And then yeah, it was fun for like one night

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<v Speaker 3>and then we're all hanging out and trying to plan

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<v Speaker 3>what we're going to do the next day. So basically

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<v Speaker 3>we kind of planned that, like each of us have

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<v Speaker 3>a role, and our plan was to go out and

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<v Speaker 3>kind of be like a media crew. Right, so we're filming,

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<v Speaker 3>we're writing news, we're posting on the internet so that

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<v Speaker 3>everywhere else people can see it. So yeah, two of

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<v Speaker 3>us are like the camera people, and then this too.

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<v Speaker 3>They look out for the roads and streets, like because

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<v Speaker 3>these places. We've never been right Dane in these areas,

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<v Speaker 3>So whenever we go to a protest, we'll sit down

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<v Speaker 3>or we'll walk around and take photos while these twos

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<v Speaker 3>goes around and look for the fastest escapes, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>if the military come in, what will be the best

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<v Speaker 3>way to go, you know, you know, escape. And then

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<v Speaker 3>him and another one they kind of look after us.

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<v Speaker 3>They look at the news to see what's happening around us,

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<v Speaker 3>so that if there's a posts on Facebook saying oh

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<v Speaker 3>or some military truck heading towards you, we kind of

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<v Speaker 3>be prepared, you know. But yeah, I was. Yeah, So

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<v Speaker 3>we had a lot of energy at that time. It

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<v Speaker 3>was like a contant. We were going out and you

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<v Speaker 3>can see like always following me, Like that's me and him,

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<v Speaker 3>and he's always following me everywhere I go, so that

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<v Speaker 3>if something happening and he's grabbed me.

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<v Speaker 4>While the boys and Andy were reporting, Amira found her

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<v Speaker 4>calling on the front lines. It's almost impossible to stress

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<v Speaker 4>how incredible she is. Before we recorded, she casually dropped

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<v Speaker 4>into conversation that she also trained in knife fighting. Sometimes

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<v Speaker 4>we met her at a shooting range near my sot

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<v Speaker 4>and blasted a few paper targets together with a twelve

0:21:43.800 --> 0:21:46.480
<v Speaker 4>gage shotgun we'd been using for a bit of target practice.

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<v Speaker 4>When it jammed, and it always jammed, she cleared the

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<v Speaker 4>chamber and got it back into action with a practiced

0:21:51.920 --> 0:21:55.800
<v Speaker 4>efficiency that any formally trained soldier would have recognized. In

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<v Speaker 4>the revolution, it didn't take long for her to find

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<v Speaker 4>her way to the front lines, and she's got the

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<v Speaker 4>scars to prove it, including some from hucking a tear

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<v Speaker 4>gas grenade bare handed back at the cops. Others adopted

0:22:07.000 --> 0:22:09.399
<v Speaker 4>roles too. Some picked up shields and took on the

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<v Speaker 4>police toe to toe. Other supported protesters with medical aid

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<v Speaker 4>and food and water.

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<v Speaker 3>So you can see the shield two, three, four or five, yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>to make it. And then you can see that they

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<v Speaker 3>have these wet like plastic bags to like wash people's

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<v Speaker 3>faces when they're two gas or like two killed the

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<v Speaker 3>smokes with wet towels too, and then there's someone always

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<v Speaker 3>water in it like you see here. Yeah, And this

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<v Speaker 3>is all from the neighborhood like they provided to us.

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<v Speaker 4>They built barricades and even developed a system of communications

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<v Speaker 4>for when things were getting violent. This allowed folks who

0:22:49.560 --> 0:22:52.040
<v Speaker 4>were not comfortable to get away, or at least that

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<v Speaker 4>was the goal.

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<v Speaker 3>So the white flag means like we have this place,

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<v Speaker 3>like this is our but then the black flag means

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<v Speaker 3>will fuck you up back, like if you've done so

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<v Speaker 3>much that we're going to fuck you up. You know,

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<v Speaker 3>I have a video of it when it changed from

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<v Speaker 3>white to black.

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<v Speaker 4>Their tactics improved over time. When one group got kettled,

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<v Speaker 4>another group would pop up nearby and draw soldiers away.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, so and then there was one time when

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<v Speaker 3>one one part of the city was under attacked by

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<v Speaker 3>the military. A lot of protesters were trapped in there,

0:23:31.080 --> 0:23:34.320
<v Speaker 3>and so we decided to go out. So every other

0:23:34.440 --> 0:23:37.320
<v Speaker 3>parts of the city came out at nighttime to protest,

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<v Speaker 3>so that they soldiers have.

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<v Speaker 4>To kind of Yeah, a mirror too, came face to

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<v Speaker 4>face with state violence.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, she wants to take the ashen bag because they

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<v Speaker 5>are all protesting peacefully and at the time she wants

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<v Speaker 5>to have a super power.

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<v Speaker 1>M M, yeah, maybe she does. Uh, what what did

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<v Speaker 1>she what did she decide to do? What did they

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<v Speaker 1>do at that time?

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<v Speaker 5>And then she feels like she's going to the act

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<v Speaker 5>and then she will keep moving and then she will

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<v Speaker 5>participate in every role that she can, and then she

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<v Speaker 5>would do as much as she can. That's that's what

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<v Speaker 5>she decided to.

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<v Speaker 1>We saw that.

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<v Speaker 2>Picture of her in front of the car and it

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<v Speaker 2>was Bernie, we're half in there. Were they throwing molotov cocktails?

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 5>Okay, so like smoke bombs and then something like that,

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<v Speaker 5>and then she's trying to throw them back the picture.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah yeah, yeah, so she picked it up and then

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<v Speaker 5>she told them back.

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<v Speaker 1>You hurt your hand, Yeah, you have a scar?

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<v Speaker 3>Fuck?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh wow yeah yeah.

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<v Speaker 5>Then she got hit by the smoke bone like a twice.

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<v Speaker 5>And then at that time she lost everything. She lost

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<v Speaker 5>her pats, she lost her phones, and someone have her

0:25:08.440 --> 0:25:10.800
<v Speaker 5>to hold and took her back.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, that's how she escaped.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow, they helped you to know who helped you? Was

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<v Speaker 1>it a friend or just a stranger?

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<v Speaker 5>Her friensis with her and I when the tear guls

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<v Speaker 5>hit down and then the other strangers had them and

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<v Speaker 5>she got hit by the tear guls and then she

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<v Speaker 5>almost faded and a black out.

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<v Speaker 2>Our doctor who goes by Wonder faced a difficult choice

0:25:38.600 --> 0:25:41.920
<v Speaker 2>returning to the hospital meant risking arrest. The military could

0:25:41.920 --> 0:25:44.760
<v Speaker 2>come in at any time to arrest injured protesters and

0:25:44.840 --> 0:25:48.200
<v Speaker 2>the doctors helping them, but not going back the letting

0:25:48.240 --> 0:25:53.200
<v Speaker 2>his comrades die, state violence increased. He decided he needed

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<v Speaker 2>to help.

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<v Speaker 6>They killed so many graceful protesters on that day. I

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<v Speaker 6>think roundabout nearly round one hundred or more might be

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<v Speaker 6>more than that we see, yes on that day, you know,

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<v Speaker 6>or because we have already we have already started say

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<v Speaker 6>the discoveredient movement on that on that time, because we

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<v Speaker 6>didn't go the hospital there that was ruined by that

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<v Speaker 6>genres Okay, okay, so we dere outside the hospital, you know.

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<v Speaker 6>We we managed temporary camp like that because for emergency

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<v Speaker 6>injury patients at that time I was involved one of

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<v Speaker 6>the campsite. Yeah, because but actually we can't deal yea

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<v Speaker 6>some of the injury pe that may need for emergency

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<v Speaker 6>operation like that bullet go through, Yeah, go to break

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<v Speaker 6>the bones and open moon. So but we have to

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<v Speaker 6>take the ricks because we have to operate that patient.

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<v Speaker 6>We go to hospital trauma emergency department. We did our operation.

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<v Speaker 6>I remember at that night, one of the pasions was

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<v Speaker 6>shot down by police and they chased, they followed that patient.

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<v Speaker 6>We kept that pasion in our hospital in our war

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<v Speaker 6>We emergency, we did emergency operation on that at that night,

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<v Speaker 6>on that night, and we emergently moved him out on

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<v Speaker 6>that night because we can't keep him on that hospital

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<v Speaker 6>because uh, soon he just left our hospital. The police

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<v Speaker 6>just came and such for him. But this is one

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<v Speaker 6>of our streams. It was, uh, they just quite there again,

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<v Speaker 6>where is that guy?

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<v Speaker 2>TK got on telegram? Lots of people couldn't be on

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<v Speaker 2>the ground fighting, but they still wanted to be part

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<v Speaker 2>of the struggle. He developed good connections with people on

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<v Speaker 2>the ground, but first that was just him desperately try

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<v Speaker 2>and stay informed. But soon he realized he was well

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<v Speaker 2>placed to be doing the informing. With internet access cutoff

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<v Speaker 2>VPNs flowing down, only someone outside the country with blazing

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<v Speaker 2>fast Bay Area WiFi could collate all the info coming in.

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<v Speaker 2>I turn it into useful, actionable advice for protesters on

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<v Speaker 2>the ground.

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<v Speaker 5>At that time, we know nothing about it. No one's

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<v Speaker 5>no one's teaching us what to do.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so we have to do it, do it, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>like we we we met.

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<v Speaker 5>We like I said, we have a seventy people. So

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<v Speaker 5>we have a meeting every day, every night, so we

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<v Speaker 5>try to you know, brainstorming what we're gonna do. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 5>and then so we made we make in the plants

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<v Speaker 5>and now we make in like, Okay, we're gonna get

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<v Speaker 5>the informations from you know, every single details that we

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<v Speaker 5>can get, and that that's we're gonna share to the people.

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<v Speaker 5>That's what we're gonna share to the unaground team, send

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<v Speaker 5>other people.

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<v Speaker 2>Within a few weeks, it had become clear that a

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<v Speaker 2>diverse range of people, tactics, and tools are going to

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<v Speaker 2>be needed in the fight for.

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<v Speaker 1>Freedom in Meanma.

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<v Speaker 2>Next time we'll talk about how that fight took shape

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<v Speaker 2>and tell you what it's like today.

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<v Speaker 1>Hi everyone, it's James here.

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<v Speaker 2>I just wanted to note that lots of the words

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<v Speaker 2>in the script are Burmese or Karen or Thai, and

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<v Speaker 2>we've made every effort to make sure that we pronounce

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<v Speaker 2>them correctly. But we sure we've obviously made some mistakes

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<v Speaker 2>along the way. That's not out of a lack of

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<v Speaker 2>respect or out of a lack of rerecording on my part,

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<v Speaker 2>but we did want to note that where we've made

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<v Speaker 2>a mistake, we're very sorry for doing so.

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