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Speaker 1: up down Tyler Murray. That defender is in multiple pieces.

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Speaker 1: All that was nasty right there? Rights the latest news

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Speaker 1: and notes from the guys who cover the teams. Rilled

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Speaker 1: by Simmons. Isaiah Simmons is bawling. Bring it on, Bring

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Speaker 1: it on. Slam the ground by foot a baker like

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Speaker 1: a torpedo. He came flying into the backfield. I scared

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Speaker 1: of nobody. Here's Paul calvic I still love the stag.

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Speaker 1: Guys that Mahomes supposedly allegedly ran four hundred ninety seven

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Speaker 1: yards over the course of Super Bowl fifty five. Now

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Speaker 1: there are two reasons I bring that up off the top.

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Speaker 1: Here of Cardinals Underground brought to you by a Pacific

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Speaker 1: I'm done with caloder Guard hitting me with the data

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Speaker 1: and taking down a lot of my points, and or

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Speaker 1: Darren Urban using actual facts to a few other points

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Speaker 1: that I'm making Cardinals Underground, I kind of feel like,

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Speaker 1: and this will be the only time you ever hear

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Speaker 1: me say those words that I actually feel like I

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Speaker 1: have something in common with Patrick Mahomes, because over the

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Speaker 1: course of a typical Cardinals Underground I feel like I

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Speaker 1: run almost five hundred yards and have very little to

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Speaker 1: show for it by the time we're done, zero touchdowns,

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Speaker 1: you know, and just a lot of a lot of heartache,

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Speaker 1: or in the case of Patrick Mahomes, a lot of

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Speaker 1: turf toeache. All he got was surgery forty eight hours

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Speaker 1: later after running nearly five hundred yards and gotten the

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Speaker 1: dog beating out of him during the course of that

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Speaker 1: Super Bowl. First of all, consider the shape you're in, Paul.

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Speaker 1: I mean, to be able to run all that much,

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Speaker 1: I mean, worst case scenario, You're just staying in such

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Speaker 1: I'll avoid that question and just say when you're running

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Speaker 1: for your life. The adrenaline takes over and has nothing

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Speaker 1: to do with what sort of shape or cardio you

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Speaker 1: actually have in you. Oh, you're the one who correctly

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Speaker 1: pegged the Buccaneers to win the Super Bowl. So I'm

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Speaker 1: the one that's backstepping right now with my horrible Chiefs pick,

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Speaker 1: saying they had the better quarterback, they were gonna win.

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Speaker 1: Dead wrong, And I should have gone with you, because

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Speaker 1: Football Outsiders was really saying that the Buccaneers were better

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Speaker 1: dead right. I went against it. I went with my

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Speaker 1: gut and I was wrong. Once again proves that analytics

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Speaker 1: are king, and in this case, Paul was right. No,

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Speaker 1: you can't say that you went with me and then

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Speaker 1: cite the analytics. No, that's no, you went with the analytics. Well,

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Speaker 1: I didn't know it. I cited one stat. I don't

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Speaker 1: educate Ron Wolfley every Thursday night in the Big Red Rage.

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Speaker 1: I did cite one stat and it went like this

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Speaker 1: after this loss on Super Sunday. So that's what I

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Speaker 1: So but but I tell you, I hate to bust

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Speaker 1: it out this early in Cardinals Underground here, Kyle, but

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Speaker 1: tell me who was a better player on that field

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Speaker 1: than once here I'm out for blood. In the first

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Speaker 1: this is a kind of a crappy way to evaluate

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Speaker 1: well as Kyle mentioned, and he really did. Meanwhile, the

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Speaker 1: me of our earlier conversation. This season. When a team

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Speaker 1: when you're not doing the bubble screens and getting yards, Like,

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Speaker 1: what can a coach call that's gonna work. You can't

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Speaker 1: that was just a pure talent advantage, Like they could

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Speaker 1: I mean, you're talking about a Bucks defense that without

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Speaker 1: Vita Vamos. So the season was best in the league

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Speaker 1: it did become clear that the Buccaneers were probably a

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Speaker 1: You know this group think that has been pervasive here

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Speaker 1: and you have four pass rushers that you know is

431
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Speaker 1: going to beat this beat up offensive line, so you

432
00:22:15,200 --> 00:22:18,480
Speaker 1: can drop seven people into coverage. It wasn't just that

433
00:22:18,560 --> 00:22:20,480
Speaker 1: they had the two safeties high. And it wasn't just

434
00:22:20,600 --> 00:22:22,520
Speaker 1: that they were taken away the first read. They had

435
00:22:22,560 --> 00:22:25,840
Speaker 1: the maximum amount of guys back there in pass coverage

436
00:22:26,119 --> 00:22:28,360
Speaker 1: when he was throwing the ball, and you knew those

437
00:22:28,400 --> 00:22:31,320
Speaker 1: four guys up front were going to win. Sometimes that's

438
00:22:31,359 --> 00:22:33,359
Speaker 1: not going to happen. Whether I mean, you can try

439
00:22:33,400 --> 00:22:35,520
Speaker 1: and do that, let's say, flipping at the other side,

440
00:22:35,560 --> 00:22:39,080
Speaker 1: if you're going against Kyler Murray. But if DJ Humphreys

441
00:22:39,080 --> 00:22:41,399
Speaker 1: continues to play like he does and you get your

442
00:22:41,440 --> 00:22:44,720
Speaker 1: offensive line for the Cardinals to hold up, that's a

443
00:22:44,840 --> 00:22:50,000
Speaker 1: dangerous thing to do it that way because eventually it'll

444
00:22:50,000 --> 00:22:52,240
Speaker 1: break down on the defensive side. That just what you

445
00:22:52,400 --> 00:22:55,879
Speaker 1: saw in the Super Bowl, to me is the flip

446
00:22:56,000 --> 00:22:59,280
Speaker 1: side of a play breaking down when Kyler Murray gets

447
00:22:59,320 --> 00:23:01,480
Speaker 1: to run all over the place. It's the other way around,

448
00:23:01,600 --> 00:23:04,800
Speaker 1: where the breakdown comes on the offensive side because you

449
00:23:04,880 --> 00:23:07,879
Speaker 1: have no time. Then the other way, you know, sometimes

450
00:23:07,960 --> 00:23:10,240
Speaker 1: the offense when so I think, I think some of

451
00:23:10,320 --> 00:23:12,400
Speaker 1: this has to do again with a moment in time

452
00:23:12,480 --> 00:23:15,720
Speaker 1: and not necessarily something you can draw a direct straight line,

453
00:23:16,640 --> 00:23:19,400
Speaker 1: because otherwise everybody would just do it. Every time you'd

454
00:23:19,440 --> 00:23:22,320
Speaker 1: rush for you drop seven, you'd cover the first read

455
00:23:22,359 --> 00:23:25,680
Speaker 1: and we'd have no offense in this league. Well, anytime

456
00:23:25,760 --> 00:23:28,480
Speaker 1: you can rush for and drop seven, and then a

457
00:23:28,600 --> 00:23:31,280
Speaker 1: lot of times when you're employing zone coverages, which is

458
00:23:31,320 --> 00:23:34,000
Speaker 1: what a peer Todd Bowles was going with primarily, that

459
00:23:34,320 --> 00:23:37,240
Speaker 1: heightens the degree of difficulty for virtually any quarterback. We

460
00:23:37,359 --> 00:23:40,480
Speaker 1: know that. I mean Kurt Warner tweeted on game day

461
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Speaker 1: on Super Sunday that he loved it. I mean, he

462
00:23:42,440 --> 00:23:45,000
Speaker 1: was begging defensive coordinators to blitz him because he was

463
00:23:45,040 --> 00:23:48,359
Speaker 1: so confident he would find the liability, the hole in

464
00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:51,080
Speaker 1: the defense when they brought extra numbers. And we all

465
00:23:51,160 --> 00:23:53,639
Speaker 1: know when the Cardinals went up against some of their

466
00:23:53,680 --> 00:23:56,560
Speaker 1: fiercest opponents, including those forty nine or defenses that were

467
00:23:56,960 --> 00:23:59,560
Speaker 1: really rocking back in the day, sometimes they'd rush three

468
00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:02,800
Speaker 1: and drop eight, and that's how you beat Kurt Warner.

469
00:24:02,840 --> 00:24:05,600
Speaker 1: That's how Kurt had some of his worst games as

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Speaker 1: a Cardinals quarterback. So we did all that. What's interesting

471
00:24:09,640 --> 00:24:12,840
Speaker 1: as we get back to Ba is his ability now

472
00:24:12,920 --> 00:24:17,160
Speaker 1: to outsource everything. Darren. Remember remember early in his career

473
00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:21,040
Speaker 1: with the Cardinals, he would share how he almost he

474
00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:24,399
Speaker 1: almost was responsible for his own demise as a thirty

475
00:24:24,520 --> 00:24:27,240
Speaker 1: year old coach, head coach at Temple, who, by his

476
00:24:27,320 --> 00:24:30,840
Speaker 1: own admission, tried to do everything. He was the head coach,

477
00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:32,960
Speaker 1: he was the coordinator, he was the play caller, he

478
00:24:33,080 --> 00:24:35,800
Speaker 1: was a recruiting coordinator. He would handle all the equipment.

479
00:24:35,880 --> 00:24:37,480
Speaker 1: I mean, he did everything to the point where he

480
00:24:37,520 --> 00:24:40,600
Speaker 1: gave himself a heart attack. Now is there a head

481
00:24:40,640 --> 00:24:45,119
Speaker 1: coach who outsources more than Bruce arians And it's literally

482
00:24:45,240 --> 00:24:48,760
Speaker 1: just the CEO and ultimate decision maker. What's funny is

483
00:24:48,880 --> 00:24:52,520
Speaker 1: is he just said last week during the week of

484
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Speaker 1: the Super Bowl interviews, at one point he said that

485
00:24:58,240 --> 00:25:01,000
Speaker 1: the difference in Tampa has been and he's learned to delegate.

486
00:25:01,040 --> 00:25:03,280
Speaker 1: And one of the things he wishes he would have

487
00:25:03,320 --> 00:25:06,920
Speaker 1: done an Arizona moral was delegate. I mean, we remember this,

488
00:25:07,040 --> 00:25:08,919
Speaker 1: and this is why it's funny when you hear Cliff,

489
00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:11,720
Speaker 1: and Cliff and BA are in much different places in

490
00:25:11,760 --> 00:25:14,119
Speaker 1: their career. Don't get me wrong, but when you hear

491
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Speaker 1: Cliff say, if I had to give up play calling,

492
00:25:16,600 --> 00:25:20,320
Speaker 1: I'd retire. I mean b A was basically saying the

493
00:25:20,400 --> 00:25:22,280
Speaker 1: same thing when he was the coach of the Cardinals.

494
00:25:22,480 --> 00:25:25,879
Speaker 1: I mean, back in Temple, is qual was if I

495
00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:28,879
Speaker 1: find someone better I'll give up the play calling and

496
00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:31,280
Speaker 1: that's not gonna happen. And that's not gonna happen. And

497
00:25:31,440 --> 00:25:34,840
Speaker 1: yet when he got to Tampa, not only was he

498
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Speaker 1: willing to give up the play calling, but he basically

499
00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:40,000
Speaker 1: said he had to find somebody better, and he had.

500
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Speaker 1: He said last week there was a couple of assistants

501
00:25:42,920 --> 00:25:45,520
Speaker 1: that had they not been available, he insists, he would

502
00:25:45,600 --> 00:25:48,480
Speaker 1: not have taken the Tampa job. One was Harold Goodwin

503
00:25:48,800 --> 00:25:50,920
Speaker 1: and another one was Buyer Leftwich, and he wanted to

504
00:25:50,960 --> 00:25:54,000
Speaker 1: give Buyer and the play calling duties. And the fact

505
00:25:54,040 --> 00:25:55,960
Speaker 1: that he's willing to do all that, I think is

506
00:25:56,520 --> 00:25:59,760
Speaker 1: it's impressive. And I do think when you start talking

507
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Speaker 1: about BA and going back to Tampa and coming out

508
00:26:02,240 --> 00:26:04,440
Speaker 1: of retirement, and I know it's a sore subject with

509
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Speaker 1: a lot of fans, but I think that was part

510
00:26:07,119 --> 00:26:09,639
Speaker 1: of it, was the mind shift, and I'm assuming it

511
00:26:09,760 --> 00:26:12,440
Speaker 1: came about in that year off where he just was

512
00:26:12,520 --> 00:26:14,760
Speaker 1: more comfortable in his skin where he was willing to

513
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Speaker 1: do that. And obviously at work. Of course, it doesn't

514
00:26:18,160 --> 00:26:20,560
Speaker 1: hurt bringing in the best quarterback of all time to

515
00:26:20,680 --> 00:26:23,320
Speaker 1: play because all these things were in place last year

516
00:26:23,320 --> 00:26:25,800
Speaker 1: when they were under five hundred, So let's not get

517
00:26:25,840 --> 00:26:30,080
Speaker 1: too ahead of ourselves of you know that either well,

518
00:26:30,280 --> 00:26:33,200
Speaker 1: And like Kurt Warner and BA expounded upon this after

519
00:26:33,280 --> 00:26:35,600
Speaker 1: the game, when you have someone who's been there and

520
00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:38,720
Speaker 1: done that, meaning Bois Lombardi trophies, the rest of the

521
00:26:38,840 --> 00:26:40,840
Speaker 1: team buys in all of a sudden, the rest of

522
00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:42,679
Speaker 1: the team believes, the rest of the team knows they

523
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Speaker 1: have a guy who can take them all the way.

524
00:26:45,160 --> 00:26:47,040
Speaker 1: And that was a big part of the Cardinals making

525
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Speaker 1: their Super Bowl run to Super Bowl forty three. Why

526
00:26:49,760 --> 00:26:52,040
Speaker 1: is it that some of the Cardinals fans I hear

527
00:26:52,080 --> 00:26:55,879
Speaker 1: that right, struggle with the notion that BA retired. Do

528
00:26:56,119 --> 00:26:58,679
Speaker 1: you get what what do you mean by that? Well?

529
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Speaker 1: I just I think there's a there's some fans that

530
00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:07,000
Speaker 1: are angry at him. There's there. It seems to phone too.

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Speaker 1: There's very few that seemed to be like, Okay, he retired,

532
00:27:10,560 --> 00:27:12,960
Speaker 1: glad he moved on to you know, it was too

533
00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:14,960
Speaker 1: bad he had to retire, but you know, we're glad

534
00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:17,000
Speaker 1: he moved on. There seems to be two camps the

535
00:27:17,320 --> 00:27:20,920
Speaker 1: camp that feel like Bruce Arians, for lack of a

536
00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:24,399
Speaker 1: better term, quit on the Cardinals and they're angry with him,

537
00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:28,480
Speaker 1: or there's an anger with the organization that they feel

538
00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:30,440
Speaker 1: like he got pushed out. And I just feel like

539
00:27:31,320 --> 00:27:33,560
Speaker 1: being there at the time, and you guys can disagree

540
00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:35,880
Speaker 1: with me if you want, I feel like that retirement

541
00:27:36,119 --> 00:27:39,000
Speaker 1: was exactly what he felt he needed to do at

542
00:27:39,040 --> 00:27:41,560
Speaker 1: the time. I'm not saying he necessarily wanted to walk

543
00:27:41,600 --> 00:27:43,640
Speaker 1: away from the game. I think in a lot of ways,

544
00:27:43,720 --> 00:27:45,639
Speaker 1: he got it in his own head that he needed

545
00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:49,080
Speaker 1: to because of his health, because his wife wanted to

546
00:27:49,119 --> 00:27:52,159
Speaker 1: go to the Forever Home. Um. Sure, part of it

547
00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:54,879
Speaker 1: could have been that, you know, I'm thinking, you know,

548
00:27:55,040 --> 00:27:57,280
Speaker 1: Carson Palmer might retire and I don't know if I

549
00:27:57,359 --> 00:27:58,800
Speaker 1: want to go through this again. I don't, you know,

550
00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:01,360
Speaker 1: that's that could be part of too. But I think

551
00:28:01,600 --> 00:28:05,439
Speaker 1: the retirement when it happened was organic, and it happened

552
00:28:05,480 --> 00:28:08,680
Speaker 1: exactly like everybody said. And I just don't think there's

553
00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:10,720
Speaker 1: a conspiracy theory, and it just feels like there's a

554
00:28:10,800 --> 00:28:16,159
Speaker 1: lot of conspiracy theories out there. I think personally, I

555
00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:19,680
Speaker 1: think of is a man who went off the field

556
00:28:19,760 --> 00:28:23,000
Speaker 1: on a stretcher in San Diego during training camp. Yeah,

557
00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:29,200
Speaker 1: so the health reasons were real, extremely real, and anybody

558
00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:31,360
Speaker 1: who was around him on a daily basis like we were.

559
00:28:31,720 --> 00:28:35,200
Speaker 1: You saw his health deteriorate. He needed to get away

560
00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:38,040
Speaker 1: from the daily grind, in my opinion from what I saw,

561
00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:42,440
Speaker 1: and hit the reset button. And then to your point, Darren,

562
00:28:42,520 --> 00:28:45,160
Speaker 1: when he did come back, he delegated even more. And

563
00:28:45,280 --> 00:28:47,080
Speaker 1: now a sixty eighties the oldest head coach to win

564
00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:49,560
Speaker 1: a Super Bowl ever. I just I bought that what

565
00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:51,960
Speaker 1: the problem with the CBS thing? And he finally admitted

566
00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:53,520
Speaker 1: it on the record, and we had heard this off

567
00:28:53,560 --> 00:28:55,800
Speaker 1: the record for a long time, was that what he

568
00:28:55,840 --> 00:28:58,160
Speaker 1: didn't realize when he took at the CBS gig was

569
00:28:58,240 --> 00:29:00,720
Speaker 1: that there was going to be more trapped then being

570
00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:03,280
Speaker 1: an NFL head coach because instead of having eight or

571
00:29:03,320 --> 00:29:05,600
Speaker 1: ten home games every year if you include the preseason,

572
00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:09,800
Speaker 1: guess what. Now you're on the road every single week.

573
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Speaker 1: And that's what happened. And you're on the road longer

574
00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:15,400
Speaker 1: than you would for a typical NFL road trip because

575
00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:17,720
Speaker 1: you're leaving on a Wednesday or Thursday, doing the prep,

576
00:29:17,800 --> 00:29:20,560
Speaker 1: coming in watching practice, talking to everyone on a Friday Saturday,

577
00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:23,000
Speaker 1: doing the game, flying out that night or the next morning.

578
00:29:23,240 --> 00:29:25,320
Speaker 1: You're only home two or three days during the week

579
00:29:25,360 --> 00:29:28,920
Speaker 1: if you're a big time TV network analyst, and it's

580
00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:31,840
Speaker 1: not the same sort of high as being an NFL

581
00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:35,000
Speaker 1: head coach. I mean, I still think broadcasting he put

582
00:29:35,080 --> 00:29:38,240
Speaker 1: in fewer hours than he did than a head coach,

583
00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:42,360
Speaker 1: but I still think the reward ratio wasn't there for him.

584
00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:45,480
Speaker 1: Maybe he enjoyed doing it, but there wasn't like universal

585
00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:47,840
Speaker 1: acclaim for the job he did. He didn't jump to

586
00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:51,000
Speaker 1: Tony Romo level where everybody thought he was amazing. He

587
00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:54,160
Speaker 1: was just kind of a broadcaster among a lot of broadcasters.

588
00:29:54,760 --> 00:29:59,120
Speaker 1: So going back to him ending in Arizona, I definitely

589
00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:02,360
Speaker 1: feel like it was a very natural endpoint to his

590
00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:06,560
Speaker 1: tenure with the Cardinals. Carson Palmer retired, the Cardinals were

591
00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:10,000
Speaker 1: moving into this new retooling phase, and it would have

592
00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:11,560
Speaker 1: been kind of weird if he was going to grow

593
00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:15,160
Speaker 1: again with them, knowing his age. So I just remember

594
00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:17,800
Speaker 1: his final press conference and he was tearing up. I mean,

595
00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:20,000
Speaker 1: it was real that he thought he was done forever.

596
00:30:20,520 --> 00:30:22,640
Speaker 1: And then you leave for a year and you've been

597
00:30:22,680 --> 00:30:25,520
Speaker 1: coaching your entire life. And we know so many coaches

598
00:30:25,560 --> 00:30:28,840
Speaker 1: that are dedicated fully to football where they don't have

599
00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:31,000
Speaker 1: a lot of other stuff, and he obviously has his

600
00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:33,760
Speaker 1: family and he has other things to do. But there's

601
00:30:33,840 --> 00:30:36,720
Speaker 1: that itch that only football scratches for so many of

602
00:30:36,800 --> 00:30:39,840
Speaker 1: these guys, and I think Bruce Arians realized that after

603
00:30:39,960 --> 00:30:42,360
Speaker 1: a year on the sideline, even though it looked like

604
00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:45,840
Speaker 1: a natural ending because of his age and his health problems,

605
00:30:46,160 --> 00:30:48,680
Speaker 1: he realized how much he loves being an NFL head

606
00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:51,440
Speaker 1: coach and it worked out where the Bucks needed somebody.

607
00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:54,360
Speaker 1: He had that relationship with Jason Light and he was

608
00:30:54,440 --> 00:30:57,000
Speaker 1: able to bring so many coaches, so I think he

609
00:30:57,600 --> 00:31:00,360
Speaker 1: in his mind, he legitimately thought he was done coaching

610
00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:03,080
Speaker 1: when he left the Cardinals, and I think it's natural

611
00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:05,720
Speaker 1: to have that itch, and some coaches can't get back

612
00:31:05,800 --> 00:31:08,440
Speaker 1: in when they when they retire or when they get fired.

613
00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:11,200
Speaker 1: Bruce Arians was able to have a vacancy he found

614
00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:13,320
Speaker 1: and it worked out great for him and the Bucks.

615
00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:16,320
Speaker 1: And now they asked him after he wins the Super

616
00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:19,040
Speaker 1: Bowl as a head coach for the first time, is

617
00:31:19,120 --> 00:31:22,800
Speaker 1: that it are you done now? And his answer quote, Hell, no,

618
00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:25,480
Speaker 1: I ain't going anywhere. I'm coming back to try to

619
00:31:25,520 --> 00:31:27,880
Speaker 1: get too and we'll see after that. That's what I

620
00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:31,040
Speaker 1: really miss about Ba is the personality and the quotes,

621
00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:34,160
Speaker 1: the stories that just write themselves based on you know.

622
00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:36,120
Speaker 1: Because they then asked him a little bit later if

623
00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:38,640
Speaker 1: he ever envisioned this happening in Bruce arians said, and

624
00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:41,640
Speaker 1: I quote, no, not really. I think I would have

625
00:31:41,720 --> 00:31:47,120
Speaker 1: been smoking something illegal to really imagine this quote. These days,

626
00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:48,760
Speaker 1: it depends on what state you're in. It's not that

627
00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:54,520
Speaker 1: illegal anymore. I enjoyed he did. He did a segment

628
00:31:54,760 --> 00:31:59,240
Speaker 1: with Jimmy Kimmel from his house, and he's, uh, and

629
00:31:59,360 --> 00:32:03,400
Speaker 1: Jimmy Kimmel asking him some off the beaten path questions. Obviously,

630
00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:06,880
Speaker 1: so they're talking about the party and and and obviously

631
00:32:08,080 --> 00:32:11,320
Speaker 1: and Paul, I'm assuming you remember the Cardinals party after

632
00:32:11,520 --> 00:32:15,160
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl. Most years when things are not COVID,

633
00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:18,480
Speaker 1: things aren't going on with COVID. You know, the party

634
00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:22,760
Speaker 1: is so big that both both teams plan a party

635
00:32:22,840 --> 00:32:25,080
Speaker 1: after the game. Both teams have a party after the

636
00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:28,640
Speaker 1: game because you have it's such a big deal that

637
00:32:28,760 --> 00:32:31,640
Speaker 1: you can't just whip that together, and it's so expensive.

638
00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:33,600
Speaker 1: You're not going to put one together and not have

639
00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:36,760
Speaker 1: it just because you don't win. So of course we

640
00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:40,800
Speaker 1: went and part took in a party that could have

641
00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:42,720
Speaker 1: been a little bit more fun and instead it was

642
00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:47,080
Speaker 1: more about drowning sorrows after the Cardinals lost back in

643
00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:49,920
Speaker 1: two thousand and nine, early part of two thousand and nine.

644
00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:52,320
Speaker 1: But but Bruce was talking about the party they had.

645
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Speaker 1: I guess it was the next day, the next night,

646
00:32:56,240 --> 00:33:00,560
Speaker 1: and they held it at an aquarium, and so he's

647
00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:02,560
Speaker 1: kind of talking about this and it was kind of funny.

648
00:33:02,800 --> 00:33:06,400
Speaker 1: And then at one point, um, you know, Jimmy Kimmel

649
00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:08,280
Speaker 1: was asking about, you know, what it was like there

650
00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:12,239
Speaker 1: because of COVID and everything, and and Bruce, who had

651
00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:15,960
Speaker 1: already held up while he's doing this interview, a glass

652
00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:19,880
Speaker 1: with ice and I'm sure a fine beverage that would

653
00:33:19,920 --> 00:33:27,040
Speaker 1: only be served in certain establishments. Um. He said. At

654
00:33:27,080 --> 00:33:29,840
Speaker 1: the party, they told him you needed to have your

655
00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:32,640
Speaker 1: mask on unless you were drinking goes. So Bruce said, so,

656
00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:38,320
Speaker 1: I didn't have my mask on all night. That's great.

657
00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:42,120
Speaker 1: He didn't even bring it. He's all, that's the requirement. Well,

658
00:33:42,280 --> 00:33:44,920
Speaker 1: you know, there won't be a moment when I'm not imbibing,

659
00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:50,480
Speaker 1: So right, that's yeah, that's Bruce arians right there. That's

660
00:33:50,560 --> 00:33:52,920
Speaker 1: a that's a that's a that's the cool uncle with

661
00:33:53,040 --> 00:33:55,080
Speaker 1: a drink in his hand. Yeah, that's that's the guy.

662
00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:58,720
Speaker 1: And now the whole nation has discovered that personality. So

663
00:33:59,480 --> 00:34:03,000
Speaker 1: that's good stuff. And you know what, there are very

664
00:34:03,040 --> 00:34:06,080
Speaker 1: few Cardinals left who actually played for Bruce Arians, but

665
00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:09,800
Speaker 1: one of them is Patrick Peterson. And now the question

666
00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:13,040
Speaker 1: is is Patrick Peterson going to be like the third

667
00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:16,440
Speaker 1: wave of Cardinals to maybe join Bruce Arians or goes

668
00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:19,120
Speaker 1: somewhere else. Kyle, what do we make of? Can I

669
00:34:19,200 --> 00:34:21,920
Speaker 1: even call this a report? What's come out in the

670
00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:27,280
Speaker 1: last few days that Patrick Peterson then actually dispelled decisively

671
00:34:27,719 --> 00:34:30,480
Speaker 1: during his podcast give us something speed on that. Yeah,

672
00:34:30,560 --> 00:34:33,640
Speaker 1: there's an anonymous source from I think it was a

673
00:34:33,719 --> 00:34:36,200
Speaker 1: blog or something. I don't even know the site, if

674
00:34:36,239 --> 00:34:39,560
Speaker 1: it was legitimate or not, saying that barring something unforeseen,

675
00:34:39,640 --> 00:34:42,280
Speaker 1: Patrick Peterson and the Cardinals were going to part ways.

676
00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:45,520
Speaker 1: And Patrick Peterson came out on his own podcast, which

677
00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:48,520
Speaker 1: it's nice when players have podcasts, because they addressed this

678
00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:52,400
Speaker 1: these sort of things, and Brian McFadden asked them if

679
00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:54,160
Speaker 1: there was any validity to it, and he said it

680
00:34:54,239 --> 00:34:57,040
Speaker 1: was just a dirty rumor. He hasn't even you know,

681
00:34:57,160 --> 00:35:00,640
Speaker 1: kind of exchanged offers with the Cardinals yet. The super

682
00:35:00,719 --> 00:35:03,560
Speaker 1: Bowl just ended. They're not there yet, so I think

683
00:35:03,600 --> 00:35:07,359
Speaker 1: we're still in that holding pattern where Patrick Peterson wants

684
00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:09,879
Speaker 1: to come back. And would it shocked me if they're

685
00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:13,239
Speaker 1: far apart in negotiations and he ultimately leaves. I mean,

686
00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:15,839
Speaker 1: that wouldn't shock me at all. But it also would

687
00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:18,799
Speaker 1: be realistic for him to come back because they're close

688
00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:21,960
Speaker 1: enough in terms where eventually they negotiate it and work

689
00:35:22,040 --> 00:35:24,960
Speaker 1: it out. So I think everybody's waiting to see what happens.

690
00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:28,400
Speaker 1: But there's there's no substitutive movement yet. I mean that

691
00:35:28,560 --> 00:35:31,600
Speaker 1: was a report that was debunked by Patrick Peterson himself.

692
00:35:31,719 --> 00:35:34,360
Speaker 1: So I think once we get closer to free agency

693
00:35:34,680 --> 00:35:38,120
Speaker 1: will have an idea. It's it's an interesting question for

694
00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:40,880
Speaker 1: Steve Kind because I think we can agree that Patrick

695
00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:43,759
Speaker 1: Peterson is not the all pro cornerback that he was

696
00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:46,759
Speaker 1: in his prime. But if you let him go, what

697
00:35:47,080 --> 00:35:49,359
Speaker 1: are you going to do with number one cornerback there's

698
00:35:49,400 --> 00:35:52,879
Speaker 1: no easy replacement on the roster, or is there somebody

699
00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:54,920
Speaker 1: else in free agency you like that you're willing to

700
00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:57,239
Speaker 1: give money to. Are you going to risk it in

701
00:35:57,360 --> 00:35:59,360
Speaker 1: the draft on a young guy, even if it's a

702
00:35:59,400 --> 00:36:01,880
Speaker 1: first round you don't know how those guys are going

703
00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:04,520
Speaker 1: to perform. So I think it's a big question mark

704
00:36:04,560 --> 00:36:08,040
Speaker 1: with Patrick Peterson and really both cornerback spots. I do

705
00:36:08,239 --> 00:36:11,839
Speaker 1: think that Patrick was smart to say what he did.

706
00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:14,480
Speaker 1: I'm not saying it's not true. I think it probably

707
00:36:14,600 --> 00:36:17,440
Speaker 1: is true. They haven't made anything. Because if you're Patrick Peterson,

708
00:36:17,520 --> 00:36:19,480
Speaker 1: a couple of things pop to mind when he said

709
00:36:19,520 --> 00:36:22,120
Speaker 1: all this. I think, one, you don't want to close

710
00:36:22,200 --> 00:36:24,560
Speaker 1: any of your avenues. You don't want to lose your leverage.

711
00:36:24,560 --> 00:36:26,920
Speaker 1: And the more teams that could be interested in, including

712
00:36:26,960 --> 00:36:30,160
Speaker 1: the Cardinals, the better for him. But I always kind

713
00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:33,160
Speaker 1: of felt like, I feel like this is a little

714
00:36:33,200 --> 00:36:37,600
Speaker 1: bit of a Calais Campbell situation, meaning the Cardinals have

715
00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:43,759
Speaker 1: a number in mind. Patrick probably doesn't think that that's

716
00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:46,080
Speaker 1: a high enough number, and I don't know if they've

717
00:36:46,200 --> 00:36:48,520
Speaker 1: actually throwing anything out there. Maybe they have, maybe they

718
00:36:48,600 --> 00:36:52,000
Speaker 1: have it. But I do think that Patrick probably knows

719
00:36:52,120 --> 00:36:54,920
Speaker 1: that there's a situation where he's gonna need to field

720
00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:57,440
Speaker 1: some offers to get a good sense of what his

721
00:36:57,520 --> 00:37:00,040
Speaker 1: market value is. I do think he'll go back to

722
00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:02,680
Speaker 1: the Cardinals and say, this is what my market value is.

723
00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:05,359
Speaker 1: You know this is the kind of stuff I want,

724
00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:07,040
Speaker 1: And at this point it's a little too early in

725
00:37:07,080 --> 00:37:12,239
Speaker 1: the process to really know, especially since the we still

726
00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:16,440
Speaker 1: don't have any concrete news yet on what the salary

727
00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:18,600
Speaker 1: cap is going to be. So I think that's a

728
00:37:18,640 --> 00:37:21,160
Speaker 1: big part of this, and I think a lot of players,

729
00:37:21,360 --> 00:37:24,480
Speaker 1: including Patrick, are probably going to have to wrap their

730
00:37:24,520 --> 00:37:27,000
Speaker 1: head around what the market's going to be like, not

731
00:37:27,200 --> 00:37:30,600
Speaker 1: just Patrick himself on what he's could earn now, but

732
00:37:30,719 --> 00:37:32,400
Speaker 1: just where the market is going to be for so

733
00:37:32,520 --> 00:37:37,600
Speaker 1: many people. And with all due respect to Patrick, they're

734
00:37:37,640 --> 00:37:41,960
Speaker 1: in a position where he's not going to be the

735
00:37:42,160 --> 00:37:45,640
Speaker 1: first cornerback off the board. Probably I saw a ProFootball

736
00:37:45,680 --> 00:37:48,560
Speaker 1: Focus had him was like the thirteenth best free agent

737
00:37:49,200 --> 00:37:52,120
Speaker 1: cornerback on the market. I don't believe that, especially when

738
00:37:52,120 --> 00:37:55,200
Speaker 1: they had Richard Sherman number two. I don't see how

739
00:37:55,280 --> 00:37:57,480
Speaker 1: that might figure out. I don't know if that was

740
00:37:57,520 --> 00:37:59,200
Speaker 1: based on their grades this year or whatever it was,

741
00:37:59,320 --> 00:38:02,400
Speaker 1: doesn't matter. Point being that, I think that he's going

742
00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:04,239
Speaker 1: to have to wrap his head around what he could

743
00:38:04,280 --> 00:38:06,839
Speaker 1: be out and I think ultimately he wants to keep

744
00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:09,279
Speaker 1: this door open because a I do think he would

745
00:38:09,320 --> 00:38:12,080
Speaker 1: like to remain in Arizona if he can and be

746
00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:14,880
Speaker 1: he wants to make sure that all his markets are

747
00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:17,120
Speaker 1: still available, and you certainly don't want to close any

748
00:38:17,160 --> 00:38:19,759
Speaker 1: doors now, And if they haven't really talked numbers, which

749
00:38:19,800 --> 00:38:21,600
Speaker 1: they probably haven't, because I think it is going to

750
00:38:21,640 --> 00:38:23,080
Speaker 1: have to get a lot closer, and I do think

751
00:38:23,120 --> 00:38:24,680
Speaker 1: there's going to have to be some things out there,

752
00:38:24,719 --> 00:38:29,280
Speaker 1: and but this whole thing is going to be super interesting.

753
00:38:29,320 --> 00:38:31,880
Speaker 1: And I do feel and you guys can argue with

754
00:38:32,040 --> 00:38:34,680
Speaker 1: me if you'd like, but does it not feel a

755
00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:40,239
Speaker 1: little bit like I just feel like, given everything we

756
00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:43,360
Speaker 1: heard when he wanted to be traded and kind of

757
00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:45,320
Speaker 1: some of the things that he said over the years,

758
00:38:46,160 --> 00:38:50,600
Speaker 1: I feel like Patrick has done a good job, especially

759
00:38:50,680 --> 00:38:53,320
Speaker 1: for this situation. But I feel like he's been a

760
00:38:53,360 --> 00:38:58,000
Speaker 1: lot more muted or low key about this contract than

761
00:38:58,040 --> 00:39:00,520
Speaker 1: I thought he would ever be. I thought he'd be

762
00:39:00,560 --> 00:39:03,800
Speaker 1: a lot more demonstrative about wanting a big deal, about

763
00:39:03,880 --> 00:39:06,960
Speaker 1: having earned a big deal, and I feel like he's

764
00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:08,880
Speaker 1: certainly not going back. I mean, if you listen to

765
00:39:08,960 --> 00:39:11,600
Speaker 1: everything he said on his podcast, he talked about what

766
00:39:11,719 --> 00:39:14,320
Speaker 1: his resume is. He thinks he deserves money, but I

767
00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:16,520
Speaker 1: don't feel like he's banging on the table for it,

768
00:39:16,640 --> 00:39:19,680
Speaker 1: like he kind of understands the situation he is now.

769
00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:22,080
Speaker 1: I could just be reading that wrong. Maybe his agent

770
00:39:22,200 --> 00:39:24,360
Speaker 1: is telling him, you need to slow play this a

771
00:39:24,440 --> 00:39:26,279
Speaker 1: little bit or don't do anything in the media, and

772
00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:29,320
Speaker 1: he's listening. But I just feel like I thought Patrick

773
00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:31,120
Speaker 1: was going to be a little bit more out there

774
00:39:31,200 --> 00:39:33,920
Speaker 1: in terms of being a little bit more upset that

775
00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:37,400
Speaker 1: he didn't have a contract offer out there maybe getting

776
00:39:37,400 --> 00:39:40,439
Speaker 1: the money he wants. And I think that ultimately could

777
00:39:40,440 --> 00:39:44,839
Speaker 1: serve him well if if the Cardinals and he still

778
00:39:44,960 --> 00:39:47,840
Speaker 1: have a chance to come together. That's in astute observation.

779
00:39:48,080 --> 00:39:49,800
Speaker 1: But do you think it's because he's been there and

780
00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:52,359
Speaker 1: done that with a supposed trade demand a few years

781
00:39:52,400 --> 00:39:55,200
Speaker 1: ago that obviously flew back on him in the wrong way,

782
00:39:55,880 --> 00:39:58,800
Speaker 1: ended up resulting in a lot of negative coverage and

783
00:39:59,320 --> 00:40:03,640
Speaker 1: fan react So perhaps he already touched that hot burner

784
00:40:03,840 --> 00:40:06,600
Speaker 1: and got stung, right, and he's not about to do

785
00:40:06,719 --> 00:40:11,240
Speaker 1: that again. And and if he's going to maintain relations

786
00:40:11,520 --> 00:40:15,600
Speaker 1: with the Cardinals front office and decision makers, less he

787
00:40:15,719 --> 00:40:18,680
Speaker 1: makes it public and he sort of demands like that,

788
00:40:19,040 --> 00:40:21,680
Speaker 1: than better the odds are they would be willing to

789
00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:25,480
Speaker 1: include him on future rosters. I would presume it makes

790
00:40:25,520 --> 00:40:29,240
Speaker 1: it easier if he's completely in and a team player

791
00:40:29,600 --> 00:40:32,000
Speaker 1: in that way. I do find it hard to believe

792
00:40:32,600 --> 00:40:34,600
Speaker 1: that there are that many cornerbacks that are going to

793
00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:37,440
Speaker 1: be on the market who actually would be more desirable

794
00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:40,200
Speaker 1: than Patrick Peterson. Now. I get it, he's not the

795
00:40:40,320 --> 00:40:42,400
Speaker 1: pro bowler, he's not the all pro type of corner

796
00:40:42,480 --> 00:40:45,000
Speaker 1: he was, But guess what, he's still the number one

797
00:40:45,040 --> 00:40:48,399
Speaker 1: corner on the Arizona Cardinal's roster. And if you're gonna

798
00:40:48,400 --> 00:40:51,640
Speaker 1: bring up Kalaias Campbell, well, Cardinals invested a first round

799
00:40:51,680 --> 00:40:55,360
Speaker 1: pick in Calais's replacement. His name was Robert Candici. That

800
00:40:55,520 --> 00:40:58,399
Speaker 1: didn't work out, And so I've been on board since

801
00:40:58,480 --> 00:41:02,879
Speaker 1: midseason that the Cardinals going round one cornerback, and I'm

802
00:41:02,920 --> 00:41:06,080
Speaker 1: still saying that. I still think, regardless of Patrick Peterson's situation,

803
00:41:06,440 --> 00:41:09,520
Speaker 1: they go corner at number sixteen overall, and then hopefully

804
00:41:09,520 --> 00:41:11,279
Speaker 1: they go linebacker in the second round and they move

805
00:41:11,320 --> 00:41:13,080
Speaker 1: on and they go maybe wide receiver in third round.

806
00:41:13,239 --> 00:41:16,360
Speaker 1: That's just me, but it is far from a guarantee.

807
00:41:16,440 --> 00:41:19,560
Speaker 1: And right now, the depth chart is so thin Kyle

808
00:41:20,520 --> 00:41:23,360
Speaker 1: that you wonder if he has more leverage than we

809
00:41:23,440 --> 00:41:27,160
Speaker 1: ever thought he did going into the assault season. Yeah,

810
00:41:27,239 --> 00:41:29,080
Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, I think there's definitely two

811
00:41:29,120 --> 00:41:32,080
Speaker 1: ways to look at it. You can use Klais Campbell

812
00:41:32,120 --> 00:41:35,360
Speaker 1: as a great comp a guy who got a pretty

813
00:41:35,400 --> 00:41:38,080
Speaker 1: sizeable contract from a different team and played well for

814
00:41:38,480 --> 00:41:41,239
Speaker 1: several years after the age of thirty. And the guy

815
00:41:41,320 --> 00:41:43,759
Speaker 1: that came to my mind on the opposite side as

816
00:41:43,840 --> 00:41:47,560
Speaker 1: Darnell Dockett, who the Cardinals let go to San Francisco.

817
00:41:48,239 --> 00:41:50,320
Speaker 1: I think he either got cut in the preseason or

818
00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:53,040
Speaker 1: barely played and then retired and the end of his

819
00:41:53,200 --> 00:41:56,000
Speaker 1: career came quickly. So there's there's a lot of different

820
00:41:56,040 --> 00:41:58,440
Speaker 1: things that can happen to players in their thirties, and

821
00:41:59,080 --> 00:42:01,080
Speaker 1: a cornerback is especially I mean, you've got to be

822
00:42:01,200 --> 00:42:03,880
Speaker 1: quick twitch, you've got to hang with all these physical,

823
00:42:04,040 --> 00:42:07,960
Speaker 1: freak wide receivers, and when that goes downhill, your physical

824
00:42:08,080 --> 00:42:11,279
Speaker 1: skills they can erode quickly. So the Cardinals really have

825
00:42:11,360 --> 00:42:14,560
Speaker 1: to determine if Patrick Peterson can still be that number

826
00:42:14,600 --> 00:42:16,879
Speaker 1: one corner and what you're going to pay him, because

827
00:42:16,880 --> 00:42:18,319
Speaker 1: the last thing you want to do is give him

828
00:42:18,800 --> 00:42:22,399
Speaker 1: ten million dollars a year and him slip even more

829
00:42:22,520 --> 00:42:25,440
Speaker 1: next season, and then you have two below average corners,

830
00:42:25,719 --> 00:42:27,880
Speaker 1: possibly depending on what you do on the other side,

831
00:42:27,880 --> 00:42:31,680
Speaker 1: because that's a recipe for disaster defensively. So I think

832
00:42:31,719 --> 00:42:35,200
Speaker 1: it's a very tricky evaluation and one they have to

833
00:42:35,360 --> 00:42:38,880
Speaker 1: nail because if you have a bad contract at corner

834
00:42:38,960 --> 00:42:40,759
Speaker 1: that's not easy to get out of. You have to

835
00:42:40,840 --> 00:42:44,080
Speaker 1: play him. But obviously if he doesn't hold up well

836
00:42:44,120 --> 00:42:46,400
Speaker 1: against wide receivers, you're gonna see it game in and

837
00:42:46,520 --> 00:42:48,520
Speaker 1: game out. And you just don't have a lot of

838
00:42:48,600 --> 00:42:51,120
Speaker 1: depth at cornerback because you pay the starters a lot

839
00:42:51,200 --> 00:42:53,560
Speaker 1: of money and then you kind of fill in behind

840
00:42:53,640 --> 00:42:55,560
Speaker 1: them and hope somebody can fill in for a game

841
00:42:55,680 --> 00:42:58,400
Speaker 1: or two if needed. But if your corners aren't strong,

842
00:42:58,520 --> 00:43:00,960
Speaker 1: you're kind of in trouble to pensively. So I think

843
00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:04,800
Speaker 1: a lot depends on the evaluation first and foremost, and

844
00:43:04,880 --> 00:43:08,040
Speaker 1: then what Patrick wants. But I do feel like he

845
00:43:08,440 --> 00:43:10,759
Speaker 1: I agree with Darren, like he realizes that he's not

846
00:43:10,960 --> 00:43:13,920
Speaker 1: twenty seven years old anymore in the prime, a guy

847
00:43:13,960 --> 00:43:16,400
Speaker 1: that's going to get a four year deal for fifteen

848
00:43:16,440 --> 00:43:19,080
Speaker 1: million sixteen million a year. I think he realizes what

849
00:43:19,280 --> 00:43:22,200
Speaker 1: his age is, that his skills have declined a little bit,

850
00:43:22,280 --> 00:43:24,239
Speaker 1: and he knows he's not going to get top of

851
00:43:24,320 --> 00:43:27,640
Speaker 1: the market money. Now, the question is can he get

852
00:43:27,719 --> 00:43:30,759
Speaker 1: second tier cornerback money, and if so, does that come

853
00:43:30,840 --> 00:43:35,120
Speaker 1: from the Cardinals. Quick aside on docket, I saw him

854
00:43:35,160 --> 00:43:37,200
Speaker 1: on Facebook the other day and he's still working out

855
00:43:37,239 --> 00:43:40,560
Speaker 1: in that Dude, he doesn't look quite as bulky as

856
00:43:40,640 --> 00:43:43,279
Speaker 1: he did as a defensive lineman. Maybe he's a linebacker now,

857
00:43:43,360 --> 00:43:45,120
Speaker 1: but oh my god, I would not want to like.

858
00:43:45,840 --> 00:43:47,400
Speaker 1: I mean, he still looks like he could throw on

859
00:43:47,440 --> 00:43:51,560
Speaker 1: the shoulder pads and crack some skulls. I always loved

860
00:43:51,640 --> 00:43:54,000
Speaker 1: Dave Pass's line about Doc. He looks like he's wearing

861
00:43:54,040 --> 00:43:57,120
Speaker 1: pads when he isn't wearing pads, especially his legs. He

862
00:43:57,200 --> 00:43:59,680
Speaker 1: looks like he's wearing thigh pads. It's just those legs

863
00:43:59,719 --> 00:44:04,680
Speaker 1: are enormous. And uh yeah, although Doc had the knee injury,

864
00:44:04,680 --> 00:44:07,160
Speaker 1: remember he went down in training, he did now and

865
00:44:07,239 --> 00:44:10,520
Speaker 1: that was that was a big part. And again that's

866
00:44:10,560 --> 00:44:13,680
Speaker 1: all true. But again he was frustrated because they wanted

867
00:44:13,760 --> 00:44:15,680
Speaker 1: him to take a pay cut and he didn't want

868
00:44:15,719 --> 00:44:18,040
Speaker 1: to do it. And then you start opening it up

869
00:44:18,080 --> 00:44:21,840
Speaker 1: and again winding this back to Patrick is you know,

870
00:44:22,120 --> 00:44:25,240
Speaker 1: Patrick's in a totally different situation. He's still a solid

871
00:44:25,320 --> 00:44:27,800
Speaker 1: cornerback in this league no matter what, So regardless of

872
00:44:27,880 --> 00:44:31,239
Speaker 1: the money somebody, he's going to be playing now. He

873
00:44:31,560 --> 00:44:34,520
Speaker 1: said in his podcast he'd like to play another six years.

874
00:44:35,200 --> 00:44:37,920
Speaker 1: We'll see if he's got another six years in him,

875
00:44:38,040 --> 00:44:41,920
Speaker 1: especially cornerback, that can be tough. Um. Maybe Jonathan Joseph

876
00:44:41,960 --> 00:44:43,880
Speaker 1: told him a couple of things that can give him

877
00:44:43,920 --> 00:44:46,879
Speaker 1: some hints on how to play that long. But but again,

878
00:44:47,000 --> 00:44:49,000
Speaker 1: you you you know, are you willing to if you

879
00:44:49,080 --> 00:44:51,480
Speaker 1: want to play six more years? Are you willing to

880
00:44:51,560 --> 00:44:54,320
Speaker 1: do it the last two or three or four h

881
00:44:54,600 --> 00:44:58,080
Speaker 1: for minimum salaries. You know what's remarkable with me is

882
00:44:58,200 --> 00:45:00,040
Speaker 1: there are two corners in the NFL this year that

883
00:45:00,120 --> 00:45:05,319
Speaker 1: shut down DK Metcalf, Jalen Ramsey and Patrick Peterson. Those

884
00:45:05,360 --> 00:45:07,760
Speaker 1: are the only guys who really shut down DK Metcalf

885
00:45:08,040 --> 00:45:11,400
Speaker 1: and I think when Pat gets frustrated, this is just

886
00:45:11,600 --> 00:45:15,520
Speaker 1: my own assessment, it's when it's scheme, when there's a

887
00:45:15,560 --> 00:45:17,480
Speaker 1: lot of zone, when he's not able to do what

888
00:45:17,560 --> 00:45:20,520
Speaker 1: I think he feels he does best one on one

889
00:45:21,040 --> 00:45:25,279
Speaker 1: mano imano travel and shadow that guy that number one

890
00:45:25,360 --> 00:45:28,680
Speaker 1: receiver that's when he's at his best, and I think

891
00:45:28,760 --> 00:45:32,080
Speaker 1: that's when he gets fired up and plays his best

892
00:45:32,200 --> 00:45:34,920
Speaker 1: is in those situations. I just don't know if it

893
00:45:35,040 --> 00:45:37,239
Speaker 1: isn't a bigger guy like a DK Metcalf, even though

894
00:45:37,239 --> 00:45:40,360
Speaker 1: even though he runs a ridiculous forty, he's just a

895
00:45:40,520 --> 00:45:43,920
Speaker 1: matchup liability against some of those quick twitch guys that

896
00:45:44,480 --> 00:45:47,560
Speaker 1: you'll see most of the weeks. Yeah, I don't know.

897
00:45:47,840 --> 00:45:50,239
Speaker 1: I don't know how realistic it is for him to

898
00:45:50,360 --> 00:45:53,080
Speaker 1: shadow number ones. I think it definitely depends on the

899
00:45:53,880 --> 00:45:57,000
Speaker 1: talent and kind of the traits of the opposing wide receiver.

900
00:45:57,440 --> 00:46:00,880
Speaker 1: He obviously loves doing it, he loves playing man coverage,

901
00:46:00,960 --> 00:46:05,160
Speaker 1: but it's because he's always been this unbelievable athlete that

902
00:46:05,600 --> 00:46:09,680
Speaker 1: can mirror the best runners and route runners and wide

903
00:46:09,680 --> 00:46:12,239
Speaker 1: receivers in the world. Like it's crazy the amount of

904
00:46:12,320 --> 00:46:15,919
Speaker 1: natural talent Patrick Peterson has. But once you're not able

905
00:46:15,960 --> 00:46:18,040
Speaker 1: to keep up in a foot race, then there's a

906
00:46:18,080 --> 00:46:20,200
Speaker 1: lot of issues at corner because you can't play the

907
00:46:20,280 --> 00:46:22,160
Speaker 1: press man as much. You have to back up and

908
00:46:22,239 --> 00:46:24,759
Speaker 1: give them a little cushion, and then the shorter routes

909
00:46:24,760 --> 00:46:27,600
Speaker 1: are easier. So I just feel like cornerback is such

910
00:46:27,640 --> 00:46:30,400
Speaker 1: a slippery slope where once you're not as athletic as

911
00:46:30,440 --> 00:46:32,680
Speaker 1: the other guy, it's a lot harder. Even if you

912
00:46:32,800 --> 00:46:36,960
Speaker 1: do have mental gains, you still need that physical kind

913
00:46:37,000 --> 00:46:40,280
Speaker 1: of threshold to surpass in order to be a good corner.

914
00:46:40,360 --> 00:46:42,600
Speaker 1: And I still think Patrick is there. I think we're

915
00:46:42,680 --> 00:46:46,520
Speaker 1: so spoiled by him being unbelievable against Julio Jones and

916
00:46:46,640 --> 00:46:49,759
Speaker 1: Calvin Johnson, like he would shut down DeAndre Hopkins for

917
00:46:49,880 --> 00:46:52,239
Speaker 1: a game and we would just shrug, like, looking back,

918
00:46:52,360 --> 00:46:54,799
Speaker 1: that's amazing that he did all that stuff. And now

919
00:46:54,880 --> 00:46:57,480
Speaker 1: he wins some and loses some and people are mad

920
00:46:57,560 --> 00:47:00,560
Speaker 1: when he loses. And it's not an indict on him

921
00:47:00,600 --> 00:47:03,080
Speaker 1: because that's where he's add in his career. But I

922
00:47:03,160 --> 00:47:05,600
Speaker 1: think it's a reality. And now we just have to

923
00:47:05,880 --> 00:47:08,359
Speaker 1: figure out what he's going to be in twenty twenty one,

924
00:47:08,440 --> 00:47:10,520
Speaker 1: because as good as he's been in the past, it

925
00:47:10,600 --> 00:47:13,400
Speaker 1: doesn't matter anymore. Obviously. All that matters is how he

926
00:47:13,440 --> 00:47:17,160
Speaker 1: plays moving forward. Yeah, you know, we look and Jim Mhunda,

927
00:47:17,320 --> 00:47:20,120
Speaker 1: producer points something out. You know, this is a guy who,

928
00:47:20,480 --> 00:47:22,279
Speaker 1: let's face it, earlier in the year, how many times

929
00:47:22,360 --> 00:47:26,640
Speaker 1: did he kind of more or less complain. You know,

930
00:47:27,000 --> 00:47:30,040
Speaker 1: I think Patrick would agree with that assessment about how

931
00:47:30,160 --> 00:47:32,520
Speaker 1: teams wouldn't just go out of straight, that they use

932
00:47:32,640 --> 00:47:34,920
Speaker 1: the crossers and the picks to take him out. And

933
00:47:34,960 --> 00:47:36,400
Speaker 1: then at the end of the year he brought up

934
00:47:36,440 --> 00:47:39,960
Speaker 1: that subject again, but rather than complain a lot about it,

935
00:47:40,040 --> 00:47:42,960
Speaker 1: it was more about, I've got to get better at

936
00:47:43,080 --> 00:47:46,320
Speaker 1: covering those Now. I don't know how you do that

937
00:47:46,520 --> 00:47:50,160
Speaker 1: necessarily when maybe your speed isn't there. And it's funny

938
00:47:50,800 --> 00:47:52,960
Speaker 1: listening to some of these guys acknowledge some of that.

939
00:47:53,160 --> 00:47:56,399
Speaker 1: A little bit more is I think it's a big deal.

940
00:47:56,520 --> 00:47:58,040
Speaker 1: I think it's a big deal to listen to it.

941
00:47:58,120 --> 00:48:01,440
Speaker 1: I mean, I listened to Tyron Matthew last week and

942
00:48:01,560 --> 00:48:04,360
Speaker 1: when I was asking him and people were asking him about,

943
00:48:04,680 --> 00:48:07,520
Speaker 1: you know, his career, and I asked them about Arizona

944
00:48:07,600 --> 00:48:12,120
Speaker 1: and stuff, and you know, I think Tyran is still

945
00:48:12,280 --> 00:48:15,560
Speaker 1: a little a lot upset probably that the way things

946
00:48:15,600 --> 00:48:17,880
Speaker 1: went down in Arizona. But at the same time he

947
00:48:17,960 --> 00:48:20,920
Speaker 1: acknowledges that he had had two knee injuries and teams

948
00:48:20,920 --> 00:48:23,520
Speaker 1: were scared off from him. And he even emits now,

949
00:48:23,600 --> 00:48:26,760
Speaker 1: as you get older and you can't run as fast

950
00:48:26,920 --> 00:48:28,600
Speaker 1: or jump as high you have to get better in

951
00:48:28,640 --> 00:48:32,120
Speaker 1: the mental game, and to hear somebody like him admit

952
00:48:32,280 --> 00:48:36,800
Speaker 1: that his skills aren't physically what they once were. To

953
00:48:36,960 --> 00:48:40,960
Speaker 1: hear Patrick acknowledge it, however, perhaps slight or in a

954
00:48:41,040 --> 00:48:44,200
Speaker 1: different way, that the physical skills aren't one thing what

955
00:48:44,360 --> 00:48:47,200
Speaker 1: they once were, I mean to me, that's a giant

956
00:48:47,280 --> 00:48:50,760
Speaker 1: deal for a professional athlete. That's hard for those guys

957
00:48:50,840 --> 00:48:54,640
Speaker 1: to do, so I do give them credit when they

958
00:48:54,719 --> 00:48:57,799
Speaker 1: are willing to put it out there publicly. I think

959
00:48:57,840 --> 00:49:01,000
Speaker 1: a sobering moment for Pat last season is when Buddha

960
00:49:01,040 --> 00:49:04,800
Speaker 1: Baker and his words got hawked like DK Metcalf, because

961
00:49:04,840 --> 00:49:08,040
Speaker 1: you know who else got blasted by on that full

962
00:49:08,120 --> 00:49:12,000
Speaker 1: length of the field run was Patrick Peterson. DK Metcalf

963
00:49:12,400 --> 00:49:15,719
Speaker 1: flew right by Pat P, and Pat P sort of,

964
00:49:15,960 --> 00:49:18,319
Speaker 1: you know, in Gallow's humor after the game, said yeah,

965
00:49:18,360 --> 00:49:21,080
Speaker 1: I didn't have those young fresh legs to keep up

966
00:49:21,120 --> 00:49:23,279
Speaker 1: with that guy. And so I think there was a

967
00:49:23,360 --> 00:49:26,640
Speaker 1: slow realization during the course of the season you de Greekow, Yeah,

968
00:49:26,680 --> 00:49:29,239
Speaker 1: And I think, like Darren said, it's it's nice that

969
00:49:29,400 --> 00:49:32,000
Speaker 1: Patrick acknowledged it, because that surprised me a little bit,

970
00:49:32,160 --> 00:49:35,480
Speaker 1: knowing his personality where He's always kind of said he's

971
00:49:35,520 --> 00:49:38,680
Speaker 1: Superman and he's not affected by anything, and he feels

972
00:49:38,760 --> 00:49:40,600
Speaker 1: like he's at the top of his game. So for

973
00:49:40,719 --> 00:49:44,520
Speaker 1: him to kind of acknowledge that reality was impressive to me.

974
00:49:44,640 --> 00:49:46,400
Speaker 1: And I think when you bring up a guy like

975
00:49:46,480 --> 00:49:50,439
Speaker 1: Tyr Matthew, I think his position just works so much better,

976
00:49:50,560 --> 00:49:54,120
Speaker 1: where if he has a little physical decline, Tyr Matthew's

977
00:49:54,200 --> 00:49:57,959
Speaker 1: game has built so much on mental awareness and knowing

978
00:49:58,000 --> 00:50:01,560
Speaker 1: how to jump into lane and knowing where the quarterback

979
00:50:01,640 --> 00:50:03,080
Speaker 1: is going to go with the ball because he's kind

980
00:50:03,080 --> 00:50:07,120
Speaker 1: of this free floating center field safety where Patrick Peterson

981
00:50:07,160 --> 00:50:10,480
Speaker 1: a lot of times, I'm Monoamano against your best receiver.

982
00:50:10,920 --> 00:50:13,040
Speaker 1: I've got no safety help and I just have to

983
00:50:13,360 --> 00:50:15,560
Speaker 1: hold up and run down the field as fast as

984
00:50:15,640 --> 00:50:18,000
Speaker 1: I can. I just think it's a different type of position,

985
00:50:18,400 --> 00:50:21,240
Speaker 1: and that's why I think if Patrick Peterson can continue

986
00:50:21,280 --> 00:50:23,839
Speaker 1: to do it in these next couple of years, that's

987
00:50:23,880 --> 00:50:26,239
Speaker 1: going to be as impressive to me as what he

988
00:50:26,400 --> 00:50:30,200
Speaker 1: was doing earlier in his career, because the physical skills

989
00:50:30,280 --> 00:50:32,120
Speaker 1: might not be there anymore, but if he can know

990
00:50:32,320 --> 00:50:36,799
Speaker 1: what's coming and stay on wide receivers consistently, that that's

991
00:50:36,800 --> 00:50:39,279
Speaker 1: a testament to what he's done mentally to get to

992
00:50:39,400 --> 00:50:41,680
Speaker 1: that point in his career. One and just to kind

993
00:50:41,719 --> 00:50:44,719
Speaker 1: of wrap a ball on this overall, and it were

994
00:50:44,920 --> 00:50:47,680
Speaker 1: talking about in this case Patrick Peterson, but this, this

995
00:50:47,840 --> 00:50:51,400
Speaker 1: works for everybody. And I've heard Michael Bidwell talk about this,

996
00:50:51,640 --> 00:50:54,360
Speaker 1: I've heard Steve Kai mentioned this. This is not a secret.

997
00:50:55,280 --> 00:50:59,359
Speaker 1: You know, teams when they give out contracts, contract extensions,

998
00:51:00,040 --> 00:51:02,680
Speaker 1: that's for what you they think you can be or

999
00:51:02,800 --> 00:51:07,240
Speaker 1: still be. And players oftentimes want to get a contract

1000
00:51:07,320 --> 00:51:10,280
Speaker 1: that's based on what they've accomplished, and those are completely

1001
00:51:10,440 --> 00:51:14,640
Speaker 1: at odds, you know, for what he has done. I

1002
00:51:14,800 --> 00:51:17,120
Speaker 1: understand why Patrick feels like he should get paid a

1003
00:51:17,200 --> 00:51:19,200
Speaker 1: certain amount, or a player feels he should get a

1004
00:51:19,239 --> 00:51:23,160
Speaker 1: certain amount. Teams are looking this completely forward thinking, So

1005
00:51:24,040 --> 00:51:26,239
Speaker 1: it does. It's ultimately going to come down to as

1006
00:51:26,320 --> 00:51:28,680
Speaker 1: we all kind of know what the Cardinals feel like

1007
00:51:28,800 --> 00:51:31,480
Speaker 1: he can be and whether they can be a happy

1008
00:51:31,560 --> 00:51:34,279
Speaker 1: medium when it comes to talking to Patrick Peterson. Well,

1009
00:51:34,360 --> 00:51:36,200
Speaker 1: real quick, if we had zoom out on the Cardinals

1010
00:51:36,320 --> 00:51:38,880
Speaker 1: defense here on Cardinals Underground, brought to you by Pacific

1011
00:51:38,960 --> 00:51:42,440
Speaker 1: Office Automation prop partner of the Arizona Cardinals, Darren should

1012
00:51:42,440 --> 00:51:44,520
Speaker 1: we get ready for a lot of change on that

1013
00:51:44,640 --> 00:51:47,319
Speaker 1: side of the ball. There could be easily two new

1014
00:51:47,520 --> 00:51:52,960
Speaker 1: outside corners. If Marcus Golden and Hassan Reddick go elsewhere,

1015
00:51:53,320 --> 00:51:55,920
Speaker 1: there's gonna be another edge rusher along with Devon Kannard

1016
00:51:55,960 --> 00:52:00,960
Speaker 1: opposite Chandler Jones. I'm presuming Devondre Campbell will not be back.

1017
00:52:01,120 --> 00:52:04,360
Speaker 1: Isaiah Simmons will be a full time starter. Corey Peters,

1018
00:52:04,800 --> 00:52:08,560
Speaker 1: what's his future now? Coming off the ACL? I mean

1019
00:52:08,640 --> 00:52:10,759
Speaker 1: a stalwart on that defensive line. What do you do

1020
00:52:10,920 --> 00:52:14,239
Speaker 1: about that defensive line? Jordan Phillips obviously dealt with a

1021
00:52:14,320 --> 00:52:17,239
Speaker 1: lot of injury, didn't but fill expectations there. Should we

1022
00:52:17,280 --> 00:52:20,359
Speaker 1: get ready for a more change but perhaps we initially anticipated?

1023
00:52:21,000 --> 00:52:23,160
Speaker 1: I think it's a fascinating question. I think there were

1024
00:52:23,239 --> 00:52:25,919
Speaker 1: times when the defense played very well. There was times

1025
00:52:25,920 --> 00:52:28,680
Speaker 1: when the defense needed to play better. Injuries played a factor.

1026
00:52:30,080 --> 00:52:32,400
Speaker 1: But I think there's a lot of unknowns with what

1027
00:52:32,560 --> 00:52:34,040
Speaker 1: this defense is going to look like. I think you

1028
00:52:34,080 --> 00:52:36,040
Speaker 1: know who the safeties are going to be. I think

1029
00:52:36,040 --> 00:52:39,360
Speaker 1: it's gonna be Buddha and Jayalen Thompson and Year. But

1030
00:52:39,600 --> 00:52:41,960
Speaker 1: the rest of it, Isaiah Simmons is going to be

1031
00:52:41,960 --> 00:52:44,560
Speaker 1: one of your inside linebackers. Beyond that, I don't know

1032
00:52:44,600 --> 00:52:47,160
Speaker 1: if there's a lot locked up. I mean, you think

1033
00:52:47,320 --> 00:52:49,320
Speaker 1: Chandler Jones is going to come back just fine. And

1034
00:52:49,400 --> 00:52:51,080
Speaker 1: I think Chandler Jones is going to come back just

1035
00:52:51,200 --> 00:52:54,120
Speaker 1: fine off that injury, but this deep in his career,

1036
00:52:54,360 --> 00:52:57,360
Speaker 1: there's always that little bit of nervousness. Okay, is Chandler

1037
00:52:57,440 --> 00:52:59,680
Speaker 1: Jones is gonna be able to reach what he already

1038
00:53:00,000 --> 00:53:03,960
Speaker 1: I've been And can Jordan Phillips fulfill that friege and contracting?

1039
00:53:04,160 --> 00:53:06,760
Speaker 1: What about rookies like Lucky Foe two and Rochard Lawrence?

1040
00:53:07,000 --> 00:53:09,799
Speaker 1: Can they give you more than they already gave you? Better? Hope?

1041
00:53:09,840 --> 00:53:12,279
Speaker 1: So because you need them. And I think what this

1042
00:53:12,440 --> 00:53:14,560
Speaker 1: defense is going to look like, I think is again

1043
00:53:14,680 --> 00:53:17,759
Speaker 1: a fascinating question. So I don't really I don't really

1044
00:53:17,760 --> 00:53:19,839
Speaker 1: think there's gonna be too much change. I could see

1045
00:53:20,920 --> 00:53:24,880
Speaker 1: at least one corner maybe both swapped out, but a

1046
00:53:24,960 --> 00:53:27,200
Speaker 1: lot of the other positions. I think what you have

1047
00:53:27,400 --> 00:53:29,560
Speaker 1: on the roster now or what you had at the

1048
00:53:29,640 --> 00:53:30,880
Speaker 1: end of the season, I think it's going to be

1049
00:53:30,920 --> 00:53:35,000
Speaker 1: pretty similar, especially if that front seven comes back next

1050
00:53:35,080 --> 00:53:37,759
Speaker 1: year with every single guy starting that was on the

1051
00:53:37,840 --> 00:53:41,399
Speaker 1: roster last season. That wouldn't surprise me at all. As

1052
00:53:41,440 --> 00:53:44,839
Speaker 1: son Reddick, though, isn't there always that one team after

1053
00:53:45,000 --> 00:53:47,640
Speaker 1: a pass rusher the almighty we got to get to

1054
00:53:47,719 --> 00:53:50,360
Speaker 1: the quarterback. Look what just happened in the Super Bowl

1055
00:53:50,760 --> 00:53:53,680
Speaker 1: where Patrick Mahomes was pressured on twenty nine a fifty

1056
00:53:53,719 --> 00:53:56,200
Speaker 1: six pass attempts. Guess what his son Reddicks in line

1057
00:53:56,200 --> 00:53:59,800
Speaker 1: for Olivier burning money even though the salary cap is

1058
00:54:00,040 --> 00:54:02,640
Speaker 1: as I've obviously been reduced. That doesn't scare you at all, Kyle.

1059
00:54:02,680 --> 00:54:05,360
Speaker 1: It scares the dog out of me. I think he

1060
00:54:05,440 --> 00:54:08,879
Speaker 1: plays the type of position that you're willing to pay,

1061
00:54:09,400 --> 00:54:11,560
Speaker 1: and he's the age that you're willing to pay. So

1062
00:54:11,920 --> 00:54:14,440
Speaker 1: unless the Cardinals feel like it might have just been

1063
00:54:14,480 --> 00:54:16,400
Speaker 1: a one year wonder type thing, I think if they

1064
00:54:16,520 --> 00:54:20,319
Speaker 1: believe in Hassan Reddick's ability, I don't think I would

1065
00:54:20,360 --> 00:54:22,880
Speaker 1: be that worried about forking over some money. If you

1066
00:54:23,160 --> 00:54:26,319
Speaker 1: transition tag him or give him some sort of thing

1067
00:54:26,440 --> 00:54:28,160
Speaker 1: for a short deal, if you think he's going to

1068
00:54:28,200 --> 00:54:31,040
Speaker 1: get this huge offer in free agency, or if you

1069
00:54:31,160 --> 00:54:33,160
Speaker 1: like him enough, give him a long term deal and

1070
00:54:33,840 --> 00:54:36,200
Speaker 1: be willing to ride it out the next three years

1071
00:54:36,200 --> 00:54:38,920
Speaker 1: with Hassan Reddick because from what I saw, I thought

1072
00:54:38,960 --> 00:54:41,880
Speaker 1: he was a perfect fit at that strong side linebacker

1073
00:54:42,040 --> 00:54:44,520
Speaker 1: and I would be excited to pair him with Chandler

1074
00:54:44,640 --> 00:54:47,719
Speaker 1: Jones and bring this different type of pass rush on

1075
00:54:47,800 --> 00:54:51,160
Speaker 1: each side, but pretty effective pass rush. So I think

1076
00:54:51,200 --> 00:54:54,680
Speaker 1: the Cardinals have more salary cap room than most teams,

1077
00:54:54,760 --> 00:54:57,040
Speaker 1: and they're going to be able to resign the guys

1078
00:54:57,080 --> 00:54:59,680
Speaker 1: that they really want to keep. And I'm not a

1079
00:54:59,719 --> 00:55:01,839
Speaker 1: talent evaluator, so I don't know how they feel about

1080
00:55:01,840 --> 00:55:05,000
Speaker 1: Hassan Reddick, but if they love Hassan Reddick, I wouldn't

1081
00:55:05,040 --> 00:55:07,800
Speaker 1: be surprised if they gave him a solid offer like

1082
00:55:07,920 --> 00:55:11,120
Speaker 1: they did with DJ Humphreys last year, and another premium

1083
00:55:11,160 --> 00:55:13,839
Speaker 1: position where this guy's the right age at the right

1084
00:55:13,880 --> 00:55:19,319
Speaker 1: position and we're willing to give him a sizeable contract. Well, look,

1085
00:55:19,400 --> 00:55:22,720
Speaker 1: there's a lot of unknowns. We don't know what training

1086
00:55:22,760 --> 00:55:24,320
Speaker 1: camp is going to look like. Well, there'll be a

1087
00:55:24,400 --> 00:55:27,160
Speaker 1: traditional training camp, we still don't know due to the pandemic,

1088
00:55:27,280 --> 00:55:30,320
Speaker 1: But is it going to be an entirely virtual off season?

1089
00:55:30,680 --> 00:55:32,919
Speaker 1: I know that's what Roger Goodell was talking about leading

1090
00:55:33,000 --> 00:55:35,160
Speaker 1: up to the Super Bowl. Do we know if there's

1091
00:55:35,160 --> 00:55:39,200
Speaker 1: gonna be preseason games. Interestingly, Darren, he mentioned that they

1092
00:55:39,239 --> 00:55:43,839
Speaker 1: are planning on international games, so perhaps the Cardinals would

1093
00:55:43,960 --> 00:55:47,200
Speaker 1: resume that Mexico City trip that was on the schedule

1094
00:55:47,280 --> 00:55:51,600
Speaker 1: twenty twenty. Otherwise, you know, for all the doubters when

1095
00:55:51,760 --> 00:55:54,480
Speaker 1: the two and twenty season started, I mean, think about it.

1096
00:55:54,600 --> 00:55:57,600
Speaker 1: You go back to the beginning of the NFL season

1097
00:55:57,920 --> 00:56:00,480
Speaker 1: and how many critics were out there and come on,

1098
00:56:00,680 --> 00:56:04,520
Speaker 1: you're gonna play a full season of full contact football

1099
00:56:04,680 --> 00:56:07,880
Speaker 1: without a bubbles that'll never work. And they played all

1100
00:56:07,920 --> 00:56:09,560
Speaker 1: two hundred and fifty six games that got in the

1101
00:56:09,600 --> 00:56:13,000
Speaker 1: Super Bowls. So it was interesting, you know, as to

1102
00:56:13,080 --> 00:56:14,920
Speaker 1: where we might be tracking in this off season. But

1103
00:56:15,040 --> 00:56:17,400
Speaker 1: we do know the combine is most definitely going to

1104
00:56:17,480 --> 00:56:20,279
Speaker 1: look different, right, Yeah, the combine is not going to

1105
00:56:20,360 --> 00:56:24,839
Speaker 1: exist in its regular form. They're gonna try and make

1106
00:56:24,960 --> 00:56:30,719
Speaker 1: some of the medical things happen where these players are

1107
00:56:30,880 --> 00:56:32,480
Speaker 1: so teams will have to go to them. There's going

1108
00:56:32,520 --> 00:56:35,440
Speaker 1: to be a lot more emphasis on pro days. It's

1109
00:56:35,480 --> 00:56:37,839
Speaker 1: gonna be a very interesting draft process, and I'm sure

1110
00:56:37,880 --> 00:56:43,000
Speaker 1: we'll get into it more in future podcast. But how

1111
00:56:43,080 --> 00:56:48,480
Speaker 1: this all goes down, how much it impacts the process overall,

1112
00:56:48,560 --> 00:56:53,680
Speaker 1: I'm I'm fascinated by I feel very confident in saying, however, gentlemen,

1113
00:56:53,840 --> 00:56:56,600
Speaker 1: that there will still be guys that are picked that

1114
00:56:56,719 --> 00:56:58,759
Speaker 1: turn out to be really good, and there will still

1115
00:56:58,800 --> 00:57:01,200
Speaker 1: be guys that pick that turned out to be bus

1116
00:57:01,760 --> 00:57:04,279
Speaker 1: and we will be sitting here next year and people

1117
00:57:04,320 --> 00:57:06,720
Speaker 1: will want gms fired and all this stuff. It's funny.

1118
00:57:07,280 --> 00:57:09,840
Speaker 1: We hear all the time about, you know, fans upset

1119
00:57:09,920 --> 00:57:11,800
Speaker 1: with Steve Kim and how the draft has gone, and

1120
00:57:11,880 --> 00:57:14,400
Speaker 1: I get where they're coming from. But I mean, I

1121
00:57:14,680 --> 00:57:18,400
Speaker 1: I saw some Chiefs fans, especially right after the game,

1122
00:57:18,800 --> 00:57:25,120
Speaker 1: absolutely trashing Brett Veach the Chiefs GM. And it doesn't

1123
00:57:25,160 --> 00:57:28,560
Speaker 1: matter if you again, you go around the league. Except

1124
00:57:28,640 --> 00:57:32,080
Speaker 1: for maybe Jason Ltte, who's way up there right now

1125
00:57:32,600 --> 00:57:35,480
Speaker 1: because he won a Super Bowl, I'm thinking most teams

1126
00:57:35,600 --> 00:57:39,440
Speaker 1: are having some issues with their GM slash coach because

1127
00:57:39,560 --> 00:57:43,280
Speaker 1: that's how this works. There are thirty one GMS who

1128
00:57:43,280 --> 00:57:45,640
Speaker 1: are bums. That's the way it works. At the end

1129
00:57:45,680 --> 00:57:49,640
Speaker 1: of the season. We know all about that. And look,

1130
00:57:50,360 --> 00:57:52,840
Speaker 1: we said this going into the draft, and actually Steve

1131
00:57:52,920 --> 00:57:55,960
Speaker 1: Kim said it after the draft last year. Being forced

1132
00:57:56,000 --> 00:57:59,320
Speaker 1: to rely more on the tape than ever isn't necessarily

1133
00:57:59,360 --> 00:58:04,880
Speaker 1: a bad thing, just evaluating game tape and game film

1134
00:58:05,360 --> 00:58:08,920
Speaker 1: and not being as influenced perhaps by the three cone

1135
00:58:09,320 --> 00:58:14,240
Speaker 1: and the vertical and even the almighty fifteen minute interview

1136
00:58:14,360 --> 00:58:17,720
Speaker 1: where every response is rehearsed with your agent. Guess what

1137
00:58:18,360 --> 00:58:21,240
Speaker 1: comes down to one thing, can he play? And the

1138
00:58:21,360 --> 00:58:23,080
Speaker 1: best way to tell whether he can play or not

1139
00:58:23,720 --> 00:58:27,000
Speaker 1: is on the game film. So if that's the one

1140
00:58:27,160 --> 00:58:29,320
Speaker 1: measure you're going to use more than any other more

1141
00:58:29,400 --> 00:58:31,880
Speaker 1: than any other year, because I mean they had most

1142
00:58:31,920 --> 00:58:35,640
Speaker 1: of their preparation already right, already prepared. It was already

1143
00:58:35,680 --> 00:58:38,720
Speaker 1: done before the pandemic hit in full force in March

1144
00:58:38,840 --> 00:58:41,280
Speaker 1: last year. Well, you know what, I don't know. Maybe

1145
00:58:41,320 --> 00:58:45,000
Speaker 1: that reduces the odds of missing on guys. Yeah, I

1146
00:58:45,120 --> 00:58:47,800
Speaker 1: mean I think it's gonna be like Darren said, there's

1147
00:58:47,840 --> 00:58:49,800
Speaker 1: gonna be hits, there's gonna be misses. I don't know

1148
00:58:49,880 --> 00:58:53,640
Speaker 1: if if this type of setup is gonna drastically change

1149
00:58:53,640 --> 00:58:55,440
Speaker 1: a lot of things. I think you're right, Paul, like

1150
00:58:55,920 --> 00:58:58,880
Speaker 1: you're not gonna have as many testing numbers to look

1151
00:58:58,920 --> 00:59:02,200
Speaker 1: at or watch guys up close. I still think the

1152
00:59:02,240 --> 00:59:04,720
Speaker 1: forty yard dash is important. I mean, if a guy

1153
00:59:05,080 --> 00:59:09,040
Speaker 1: plays well, but he runs a four seven five as

1154
00:59:09,120 --> 00:59:11,360
Speaker 1: like a tight end you compared to a four or

1155
00:59:11,400 --> 00:59:14,520
Speaker 1: five guy like that matters or your favorite position. An

1156
00:59:14,520 --> 00:59:17,240
Speaker 1: inside linebacker Devin White was a top five pick and

1157
00:59:17,360 --> 00:59:20,560
Speaker 1: he had elite measurables to go with his production. So

1158
00:59:20,640 --> 00:59:22,520
Speaker 1: I think I think it's a balance and I think

1159
00:59:22,560 --> 00:59:25,320
Speaker 1: you have to have both. But it will be interesting

1160
00:59:25,400 --> 00:59:28,160
Speaker 1: as we look maybe five years from now, what these

1161
00:59:28,200 --> 00:59:31,640
Speaker 1: two draft classes look like and if there were anything

1162
00:59:31,760 --> 00:59:34,880
Speaker 1: we can take from them, Because you're right, it's completely different,

1163
00:59:34,960 --> 00:59:38,280
Speaker 1: and definitely this year more so than last. Like you said,

1164
00:59:38,320 --> 00:59:40,640
Speaker 1: they did all the in person scouting last year and

1165
00:59:40,960 --> 00:59:44,240
Speaker 1: saw mostly everything. We even had the combine this year.

1166
00:59:44,320 --> 00:59:46,960
Speaker 1: It's it's been really weird. I don't I haven't talked

1167
00:59:47,000 --> 00:59:49,480
Speaker 1: to any scouts yet. I'm interested to see what their

1168
00:59:49,640 --> 00:59:52,360
Speaker 1: year was like. But certainly it's gonna be a lot

1169
00:59:52,440 --> 00:59:54,080
Speaker 1: of tape, and even the tape is going to be

1170
00:59:54,160 --> 00:59:57,919
Speaker 1: limited because of all the cancelations and those teams didn't

1171
00:59:57,960 --> 01:00:00,800
Speaker 1: practice a lot. It's gonna be a harder evaluation. But

1172
01:00:01,400 --> 01:00:03,160
Speaker 1: I kind of agree with what Darren was staying. It's

1173
01:00:03,160 --> 01:00:05,760
Speaker 1: still a big crapshoot in the draft, like it might

1174
01:00:05,800 --> 01:00:08,320
Speaker 1: be a good thing to stockpile second and third round

1175
01:00:08,360 --> 01:00:11,840
Speaker 1: picks this year, because maybe guys will just be available

1176
01:00:11,920 --> 01:00:14,160
Speaker 1: and they'll hit there that might have been first rounders

1177
01:00:14,200 --> 01:00:16,360
Speaker 1: in a different draft. We'll kind of see how it

1178
01:00:16,400 --> 01:00:18,160
Speaker 1: plays out in a couple of years. You know. In

1179
01:00:18,200 --> 01:00:20,040
Speaker 1: the middle of your answer, my ears perked up. It

1180
01:00:20,160 --> 01:00:23,120
Speaker 1: reminded me of this tweet from Ryan Clark, ESPN analysts,

1181
01:00:23,200 --> 01:00:26,120
Speaker 1: former Super Bowl champion and I quote you guys fill

1182
01:00:26,160 --> 01:00:30,000
Speaker 1: in the blank. If I'm challenged to a fight, I

1183
01:00:30,120 --> 01:00:33,280
Speaker 1: am asking blank to come with me. I need that

1184
01:00:33,480 --> 01:00:38,920
Speaker 1: type of energy. End tweet on Super Sunday. Which player

1185
01:00:39,000 --> 01:00:44,760
Speaker 1: do you think he tweeted about? Devin White is exactly

1186
01:00:44,880 --> 01:00:49,880
Speaker 1: the guy. What has Paulie Prognostication been saying here for

1187
01:00:50,000 --> 01:00:52,880
Speaker 1: a while, Find the guy with that kind of energy, because, oh,

1188
01:00:53,280 --> 01:00:56,360
Speaker 1: I don't know. Even Kyler Murray recently said for the

1189
01:00:56,480 --> 01:00:59,280
Speaker 1: record that you didn't quite know what team was coming

1190
01:00:59,320 --> 01:01:02,280
Speaker 1: out of the tunnel week to week for the Arizona Cardinals.

1191
01:01:02,360 --> 01:01:05,400
Speaker 1: So once again, if you can somehow quantify that energy

1192
01:01:05,560 --> 01:01:07,960
Speaker 1: and that intensity, Cole and I know we're at odds here,

1193
01:01:08,040 --> 01:01:10,440
Speaker 1: and I don't want to end this addition of Cardinals

1194
01:01:10,520 --> 01:01:13,160
Speaker 1: underground having it out on that front. But you can't

1195
01:01:13,200 --> 01:01:15,280
Speaker 1: tell me that Devin White wasn't the catalyst at least

1196
01:01:15,280 --> 01:01:16,880
Speaker 1: through the playoffs. I saw none of the Tampa Bay

1197
01:01:16,880 --> 01:01:19,600
Speaker 1: Buccaneers regular season games, but in the playoffs he was

1198
01:01:19,640 --> 01:01:24,720
Speaker 1: the guy. Before we do end this edition of Cardinals Underground,

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01:01:24,720 --> 01:01:28,320
Speaker 1: Paul I did want to, you know, bring up the

1200
01:01:29,200 --> 01:01:32,560
Speaker 1: untimely death of a friend of ours, Pedro Gomez, of

1201
01:01:32,800 --> 01:01:41,480
Speaker 1: a ESPN and formerly the Arizona Republic, who was unfortunately

1202
01:01:41,560 --> 01:01:45,280
Speaker 1: passed away suddenly on Super Bowl Sunday. And it's just

1203
01:01:45,520 --> 01:01:48,800
Speaker 1: it's it's been a very interesting time, to be honest.

1204
01:01:49,320 --> 01:01:51,160
Speaker 1: I know there's a lot of people hurting out there

1205
01:01:51,200 --> 01:01:54,240
Speaker 1: because there's been a lot of people unfortunately dying in

1206
01:01:54,320 --> 01:01:56,439
Speaker 1: the world and in the United States over the last

1207
01:01:56,520 --> 01:02:00,960
Speaker 1: year because of COVID. So unfortunately he's you know, this

1208
01:02:01,120 --> 01:02:04,240
Speaker 1: isn't a unique story. This wasn't COVID is not what

1209
01:02:04,400 --> 01:02:07,400
Speaker 1: got Pedro, but just with everything going on, Mike Kennedy,

1210
01:02:08,120 --> 01:02:13,200
Speaker 1: the local lawyer who shared the first two Super Bowl

1211
01:02:13,240 --> 01:02:15,520
Speaker 1: committees of Super Bowl as I came to Arizona, he

1212
01:02:15,600 --> 01:02:19,600
Speaker 1: passed away from cancer. Even ken summers working at the

1213
01:02:19,640 --> 01:02:23,400
Speaker 1: Arizona Republic. He's Okay, thank God, but he's about to

1214
01:02:23,480 --> 01:02:26,200
Speaker 1: go through triple bypass surgery and I'm worried about my friend.

1215
01:02:26,240 --> 01:02:29,600
Speaker 1: And then to hear the note news of Pedro Gomez,

1216
01:02:30,920 --> 01:02:34,480
Speaker 1: you know, dying. It's just he wasn't He was fifty

1217
01:02:34,520 --> 01:02:38,000
Speaker 1: eight years old. I'm not quite fifty eight, but I'm

1218
01:02:38,040 --> 01:02:42,280
Speaker 1: within shouting distance, and it's it's just it's a difficult

1219
01:02:42,360 --> 01:02:47,480
Speaker 1: time to realize you lose somebody like that. I think

1220
01:02:47,520 --> 01:02:50,480
Speaker 1: we can all confirm, perhaps what people have read and

1221
01:02:50,680 --> 01:02:55,200
Speaker 1: seen from others around the sports world, just what a kind,

1222
01:02:56,040 --> 01:02:59,720
Speaker 1: generous person Pedro Gomez was, and that was none of

1223
01:02:59,800 --> 01:03:02,240
Speaker 1: that as an exaggeration. I think we can all attest

1224
01:03:02,320 --> 01:03:05,680
Speaker 1: to that. I've known I knew Pedro since the d

1225
01:03:05,800 --> 01:03:08,800
Speaker 1: Back's first spring training, hanging out with him in Tucson

1226
01:03:09,960 --> 01:03:12,480
Speaker 1: a year ago or so, the last before the pandemic,

1227
01:03:12,520 --> 01:03:15,400
Speaker 1: the last big Cardinals press comments. We're sitting there waiting

1228
01:03:15,440 --> 01:03:17,120
Speaker 1: for things to start, and I was in the row

1229
01:03:17,160 --> 01:03:19,680
Speaker 1: behind him. We were chopping it up about baseball dads.

1230
01:03:19,760 --> 01:03:22,600
Speaker 1: His son Rio as a minor league pitcher. My son's

1231
01:03:22,640 --> 01:03:24,920
Speaker 1: playing youth baseball, and he's telling me what's to come

1232
01:03:25,080 --> 01:03:27,840
Speaker 1: in the next ten years and we're sharing the crazy

1233
01:03:27,920 --> 01:03:30,960
Speaker 1: baseball dad stories where everyone thinks their kid's going pro. No,

1234
01:03:31,280 --> 01:03:34,040
Speaker 1: your kid's not going pro. Although Pedro's son was the

1235
01:03:34,160 --> 01:03:39,040
Speaker 1: exception and just just the funny stories and to see

1236
01:03:39,120 --> 01:03:43,360
Speaker 1: that on Super Sunday was just beyond a jolt. And

1237
01:03:44,760 --> 01:03:47,160
Speaker 1: Kyle I know that he was just so respected on

1238
01:03:47,240 --> 01:03:50,280
Speaker 1: the media side as well. I mean, he was multimedia

1239
01:03:50,360 --> 01:03:52,640
Speaker 1: before that was even a term. To be a beat writer,

1240
01:03:52,960 --> 01:03:55,600
Speaker 1: to be renowned, award winning, to be a calumnist, and

1241
01:03:55,720 --> 01:03:59,160
Speaker 1: then to be an excellent on camera ESPN reporter. He

1242
01:03:59,280 --> 01:04:02,080
Speaker 1: covered all fat it's in our business. Yeah, you're right.

1243
01:04:02,120 --> 01:04:04,280
Speaker 1: He was really one of the first guys to make

1244
01:04:04,400 --> 01:04:07,680
Speaker 1: that leap that I knew of from the Phoenix area.

1245
01:04:07,880 --> 01:04:10,920
Speaker 1: And you know, some newspaper guys when they get on

1246
01:04:11,040 --> 01:04:15,600
Speaker 1: TV sometimes that's a nice little boost to your ego

1247
01:04:15,800 --> 01:04:19,520
Speaker 1: and you walk around like you're pretty important. And Pedro

1248
01:04:19,680 --> 01:04:22,400
Speaker 1: really never gave off that vibe. I didn't know him

1249
01:04:22,480 --> 01:04:24,600
Speaker 1: very well, but he was always very warm to me

1250
01:04:24,800 --> 01:04:28,000
Speaker 1: and just acted like you were his friend, even though

1251
01:04:28,120 --> 01:04:30,120
Speaker 1: i'dn'tly talk to him a couple of times. You know,

1252
01:04:30,160 --> 01:04:33,640
Speaker 1: he's just a very sweet person. And it was a

1253
01:04:33,720 --> 01:04:36,480
Speaker 1: shock his age and you know, we've seen him on

1254
01:04:36,520 --> 01:04:39,840
Speaker 1: press conferences this year, just kind of always interacting with him,

1255
01:04:39,880 --> 01:04:42,800
Speaker 1: and to have him, you know, die so suddenly is

1256
01:04:42,880 --> 01:04:47,200
Speaker 1: just a crushing blow. And definitely thinking about his family.

1257
01:04:47,280 --> 01:04:50,200
Speaker 1: I can't imagine what they're going through when you know

1258
01:04:50,280 --> 01:04:52,880
Speaker 1: he's there and then something like this happened. So I

1259
01:04:53,040 --> 01:04:56,520
Speaker 1: appreciate what he did for everybody in the media. Always

1260
01:04:56,960 --> 01:04:59,640
Speaker 1: being nice to everybody and and treating everybody well. I

1261
01:04:59,720 --> 01:05:03,600
Speaker 1: think says a lot about somebody when you're in competition

1262
01:05:03,720 --> 01:05:05,760
Speaker 1: and you're trying to break the story and do this

1263
01:05:05,920 --> 01:05:08,360
Speaker 1: and do that, and he never let that get in

1264
01:05:08,440 --> 01:05:10,280
Speaker 1: the way of being a nice person, and that means

1265
01:05:10,280 --> 01:05:12,880
Speaker 1: a lot to me. I got a couple of quick stories,

1266
01:05:12,920 --> 01:05:17,280
Speaker 1: and I'll make him brief, but so the first one

1267
01:05:17,960 --> 01:05:20,920
Speaker 1: always brings a smile to my face. Obviously, Pedro's background

1268
01:05:21,040 --> 01:05:24,200
Speaker 1: was in baseball mostly, and he covered baseball for a

1269
01:05:24,280 --> 01:05:28,440
Speaker 1: long time before he ended up becoming a columnist at

1270
01:05:28,440 --> 01:05:32,120
Speaker 1: the Arizona Public And when he was a columnist there,

1271
01:05:32,680 --> 01:05:36,000
Speaker 1: he made a road trip, a Cardinals road trip. I

1272
01:05:36,040 --> 01:05:39,520
Speaker 1: believe we're in Chicago, and it had to be weird

1273
01:05:39,560 --> 01:05:41,920
Speaker 1: for him because the Diamondbacks were in the playoffs at

1274
01:05:41,960 --> 01:05:45,720
Speaker 1: the time, I believe, and so it was a playoff game.

1275
01:05:45,760 --> 01:05:49,360
Speaker 1: So it was on TV. But we're in Chicago and

1276
01:05:50,480 --> 01:05:53,080
Speaker 1: we're finishing up. And the way it used to work

1277
01:05:53,440 --> 01:05:55,560
Speaker 1: back in the day would I spent a lot of

1278
01:05:55,600 --> 01:06:00,000
Speaker 1: time with Kent, the aforementioned Kent summers, and we usually

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01:06:00,000 --> 01:06:02,600
Speaker 1: we go out to dinner after our work was done

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01:06:02,800 --> 01:06:05,160
Speaker 1: after a road game, because obviously we flew back, not

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01:06:05,360 --> 01:06:07,560
Speaker 1: with the team like we do now, but we were

1282
01:06:07,600 --> 01:06:10,320
Speaker 1: on our own and we'd spend the night Sunday night. Well,

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01:06:10,880 --> 01:06:13,080
Speaker 1: I was done with my work, Pedro was done writing

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01:06:13,120 --> 01:06:16,200
Speaker 1: his Call for the Republic, Kent was just finishing up,

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01:06:16,240 --> 01:06:18,840
Speaker 1: so we had a few minutes. So Pedro and I

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01:06:18,960 --> 01:06:21,439
Speaker 1: were kind of chatting. And then in the Diaonbacks game

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01:06:21,480 --> 01:06:28,080
Speaker 1: against somebody was on TV and I knew Pedro's baseball background.

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01:06:28,160 --> 01:06:32,439
Speaker 1: I thought he was a baseball guru, and uh, we're

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01:06:32,480 --> 01:06:34,680
Speaker 1: watching his shilling his pitching, I believe it was shilling,

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01:06:35,240 --> 01:06:39,080
Speaker 1: and we're watching this thing and Pedro was like, Okay,

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01:06:39,800 --> 01:06:42,240
Speaker 1: he goes, he goes, he's got him set up here

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01:06:42,280 --> 01:06:44,320
Speaker 1: on this account. He goes, He's gonna throw a slider,

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01:06:45,520 --> 01:06:48,040
Speaker 1: you know, down and away slider. Down in a way

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01:06:48,760 --> 01:06:50,640
Speaker 1: and I'm like, wow, that's that's pretty good. He goes, well,

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01:06:51,000 --> 01:06:52,480
Speaker 1: you just you have to kind of know how he's

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01:06:52,480 --> 01:06:54,720
Speaker 1: said the thing this, this is gonna be a fastball

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01:06:54,840 --> 01:06:57,600
Speaker 1: up and in, fastball up and in. And he did

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01:06:57,680 --> 01:06:59,640
Speaker 1: this for a few more pitches. Oh, this one's gonna be,

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01:07:00,040 --> 01:07:02,240
Speaker 1: you know, a curveball in the dirt, curveball in the dirt.

1300
01:07:02,280 --> 01:07:06,280
Speaker 1: And I'm thinking, holy crap, this guy knows baseball so

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01:07:06,560 --> 01:07:09,920
Speaker 1: well that he knows exactly what's coming. What that f

1302
01:07:10,080 --> 01:07:12,960
Speaker 1: am I watching here and just and I think I

1303
01:07:13,080 --> 01:07:16,520
Speaker 1: said something like you are unbelievable. He couldn't hold it anymore,

1304
01:07:16,560 --> 01:07:20,400
Speaker 1: and he starts laughing, and we were kind of, you know,

1305
01:07:20,680 --> 01:07:23,080
Speaker 1: facing each other, and then the TV was up above us,

1306
01:07:23,400 --> 01:07:25,520
Speaker 1: and he kind of like gave me like this nod

1307
01:07:25,600 --> 01:07:29,240
Speaker 1: of his head and I look over my shoulder where

1308
01:07:29,320 --> 01:07:31,520
Speaker 1: he could see where I my back would had been

1309
01:07:31,560 --> 01:07:34,000
Speaker 1: to it. And then the next booth over was the

1310
01:07:34,120 --> 01:07:39,480
Speaker 1: telecast that was like ten seconds ahead. He made me

1311
01:07:39,640 --> 01:07:42,640
Speaker 1: believe for like a minute that he could connect every

1312
01:07:42,760 --> 01:07:45,840
Speaker 1: pitch and he just he just had the best time

1313
01:07:45,880 --> 01:07:48,600
Speaker 1: with that. And then my other story was really the

1314
01:07:48,680 --> 01:07:50,160
Speaker 1: last time I got to spend a lot of time

1315
01:07:50,200 --> 01:07:51,840
Speaker 1: with him. As Kyle mentioned, he comes out to a

1316
01:07:51,880 --> 01:07:55,400
Speaker 1: lot of press conferences. But the last time the Cardinals

1317
01:07:55,440 --> 01:07:58,480
Speaker 1: played a preseason we were in Minnesota in twenty nineteen,

1318
01:07:59,400 --> 01:08:02,080
Speaker 1: and there's an ful of us, Mark Dalton, Chris Melvin,

1319
01:08:02,120 --> 01:08:04,480
Speaker 1: and Mike helm from the Media relations group and myself.

1320
01:08:04,960 --> 01:08:07,520
Speaker 1: We often in the preseason, if we get a chance

1321
01:08:07,560 --> 01:08:10,200
Speaker 1: and if it lines up right, we'll go to a

1322
01:08:10,360 --> 01:08:12,760
Speaker 1: Major League Baseball game the night before a preseason game,

1323
01:08:12,760 --> 01:08:16,200
Speaker 1: because oftentimes there's a game there and it's August, so

1324
01:08:16,320 --> 01:08:19,479
Speaker 1: it's perfect baseball time and we'll go and hopefully get

1325
01:08:19,560 --> 01:08:23,080
Speaker 1: some tickets. And Pedro was there to cover Kyler's game

1326
01:08:23,120 --> 01:08:25,400
Speaker 1: against the Vikings and to do a story on the Twins,

1327
01:08:25,439 --> 01:08:28,639
Speaker 1: who were about to set a record for home runs

1328
01:08:28,680 --> 01:08:31,120
Speaker 1: in a season as a team, so he could kind

1329
01:08:31,120 --> 01:08:33,240
Speaker 1: of double debt for ESPN. And we met him out

1330
01:08:33,280 --> 01:08:36,720
Speaker 1: there and we just got to hang out with him

1331
01:08:36,800 --> 01:08:39,920
Speaker 1: for the game, and he took us around and me

1332
01:08:40,000 --> 01:08:44,040
Speaker 1: and melv are both we originally from Detroit, Michigan, and

1333
01:08:44,160 --> 01:08:46,760
Speaker 1: they were playing the Tigers that night, and you know,

1334
01:08:46,880 --> 01:08:50,920
Speaker 1: me and Chris Melvin obviously we knew of Jack Morris.

1335
01:08:51,040 --> 01:08:53,759
Speaker 1: He was somebody, and he's the color guy for the Tigers.

1336
01:08:53,800 --> 01:08:57,599
Speaker 1: So Pedro's like bringing us over to like meet Jack Morris,

1337
01:08:57,680 --> 01:08:59,280
Speaker 1: which for me, you know, I mean that's a guy

1338
01:08:59,320 --> 01:09:03,160
Speaker 1: who when I was like ten, eleven, twelve years old,

1339
01:09:03,240 --> 01:09:05,000
Speaker 1: and now I'm getting to meet Jack Morris, I thought

1340
01:09:05,040 --> 01:09:07,559
Speaker 1: that was really cool. On Pedro was like he would

1341
01:09:07,600 --> 01:09:09,760
Speaker 1: do things like that, but it wasn't like, hey, look

1342
01:09:09,800 --> 01:09:12,559
Speaker 1: at me on Pedro. I mean, people were noticing him

1343
01:09:12,600 --> 01:09:15,519
Speaker 1: in the stands. Obviously he's freaking Pedro Gomez of ESPN,

1344
01:09:15,880 --> 01:09:18,440
Speaker 1: and he was like, hey, you know, you know, he's

1345
01:09:19,040 --> 01:09:22,439
Speaker 1: super nice and he would like engage them, but also

1346
01:09:22,479 --> 01:09:25,160
Speaker 1: at the same time be a little bit embarrassed because

1347
01:09:25,280 --> 01:09:27,799
Speaker 1: he wasn't that guy, because he was just Pedro Gomez

1348
01:09:27,960 --> 01:09:30,840
Speaker 1: hanging out with some of his buddies at a baseball game.

1349
01:09:31,520 --> 01:09:34,400
Speaker 1: His patience was legendary. And I'll give you a quick

1350
01:09:34,520 --> 01:09:37,400
Speaker 1: story as a spring training when Barry Bonds was Barry

1351
01:09:37,560 --> 01:09:39,599
Speaker 1: Bonds and he was in the news for the wrong

1352
01:09:39,680 --> 01:09:42,280
Speaker 1: reasons and he was home run king and there was

1353
01:09:42,320 --> 01:09:44,920
Speaker 1: still all the fallout and Pedro was still following him

1354
01:09:44,920 --> 01:09:46,760
Speaker 1: on a daily basis. And then we were over at

1355
01:09:46,800 --> 01:09:49,840
Speaker 1: Scottsdale and he had come out of the game early.

1356
01:09:50,080 --> 01:09:52,120
Speaker 1: Of course he wouldn't meet the media till after the game.

1357
01:09:52,200 --> 01:09:53,960
Speaker 1: So I'm soon as when I was doing TV, me

1358
01:09:54,040 --> 01:09:57,599
Speaker 1: and and the photographer for the station, and we're waiting.

1359
01:09:57,720 --> 01:09:59,160
Speaker 1: So now we got to wait till the nine eies

1360
01:09:59,160 --> 01:10:02,400
Speaker 1: are done. We wait. Barry comes over at the end

1361
01:10:02,439 --> 01:10:05,160
Speaker 1: of the game. Hey, guys, I gotta get some treatment.

1362
01:10:05,200 --> 01:10:07,560
Speaker 1: I'll be right back. Oh he wasn't right back. It

1363
01:10:07,680 --> 01:10:10,120
Speaker 1: was a good thirty to forty minutes. I'm on the

1364
01:10:10,200 --> 01:10:12,400
Speaker 1: phone to the station. Hey, can we got out of here? No, no,

1365
01:10:12,720 --> 01:10:15,840
Speaker 1: Barry's the story. It's the lead. You're staying. Comes back

1366
01:10:15,880 --> 01:10:20,719
Speaker 1: after thirty to forty minutes we're all waiting and says, hey, guys,

1367
01:10:21,439 --> 01:10:24,160
Speaker 1: I gotta work out, grabs his weightlifting gloves out of

1368
01:10:24,200 --> 01:10:29,000
Speaker 1: his locker, walks away, the grumbling from the baseball beat writers.

1369
01:10:29,120 --> 01:10:33,880
Speaker 1: Okay was considerable, turns around, looks at us, says, guys,

1370
01:10:34,160 --> 01:10:37,519
Speaker 1: patience is a virtue. He continues into the weight room,

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01:10:37,840 --> 01:10:40,479
Speaker 1: this tiny weight room spring training style. We can see

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01:10:40,600 --> 01:10:44,559
Speaker 1: him thirty feet away on the bench press. Comes back again,

1373
01:10:45,360 --> 01:10:49,800
Speaker 1: puts it away. I got a shower. We waited more

1374
01:10:49,880 --> 01:10:53,080
Speaker 1: than three hours for when he came out of the

1375
01:10:53,200 --> 01:10:55,800
Speaker 1: game to when he met us, I was at least

1376
01:10:55,880 --> 01:10:57,840
Speaker 1: an hour and a half to almost two hours after

1377
01:10:57,960 --> 01:11:00,320
Speaker 1: the game, making us wait. And by the time we

1378
01:11:00,400 --> 01:11:02,519
Speaker 1: were done, it was the two main beat writers for

1379
01:11:02,600 --> 01:11:05,720
Speaker 1: the Giants, Pedro and ESPN and yours truly because at

1380
01:11:05,800 --> 01:11:09,000
Speaker 1: that point I'm like, Barry's not beating me and I stopped.

1381
01:11:09,960 --> 01:11:12,799
Speaker 1: And whereas the three of us were I rate, Pedro

1382
01:11:13,000 --> 01:11:15,120
Speaker 1: was completely calm the whole time, saying, well, this is

1383
01:11:15,160 --> 01:11:17,599
Speaker 1: the way it works in a baseball clubhouse, Kalbci getting

1384
01:11:17,640 --> 01:11:20,160
Speaker 1: used to it, or go back to here I am

1385
01:11:20,200 --> 01:11:22,400
Speaker 1: in football, because that's the way that's where I am.

1386
01:11:23,160 --> 01:11:28,160
Speaker 1: Oh boy. So we obviously salute the memory and the

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01:11:28,280 --> 01:11:33,439
Speaker 1: friend that was Pedro Gomez and what a legacy not

1388
01:11:33,600 --> 01:11:35,800
Speaker 1: only in the business, but making all of us proud

1389
01:11:35,920 --> 01:11:40,960
Speaker 1: here in Arizona for more than two decades. Rest in peace, Pedro.

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01:11:41,320 --> 01:11:43,639
Speaker 1: That'll do it for this edition A Cardinals Underground