Speaker 1: Look out. It's only films to be buried with. Hello,
Speaker 1: and welcome to films to be buried with. My name
Speaker 1: is Brett Goldstein. I'm a comedian and actor, a writer, director,
Speaker 1: a cufflink maker, and I love films. As Maya Angelie
Speaker 1: once said, there is no greater agony than bearing an
Speaker 1: untold story inside. You. Imagine being the writer of the
Speaker 1: never ending story and not even getting a chance to
Speaker 1: start it. It's unthinkable, quite honestly, just torture, yes, Maya,
Speaker 1: that's a very good point. Every week I invite a
Speaker 1: special guest over. I tell them they've died. Then I
Speaker 1: get them to discuss their life through the films that
Speaker 1: meant the most of them. Previous guests include Barry Jenkins,
Speaker 1: Kevin Smith, Jamila Jamil and even Zed Rambles. But this
Speaker 1: week it's the award winning comedian, writer and actor mister
Speaker 1: Phil Nichol. Head over to the patroon at patreon dot
Speaker 1: com forward slash Brett Goldstein, where you'll get an extra
Speaker 1: twenty minutes with Phil. We talk about beginnings and endings,
Speaker 1: he tells a disgusting secret, and you get the whole
Speaker 1: episode uncut and as a video. Check it out over
Speaker 1: at patreon dot com forwards. Last, Brett Goldstein Ted Lasso
Speaker 1: season two is now available on Apple TV Plus so
Speaker 1: you can watch the whole show in one go. And
Speaker 1: also Soulmate season one is on Amazon Prime so you
Speaker 1: can watch them both. Yeah, why not live your lives?
Speaker 1: So Phil Nichol is a legend on the UK and
Speaker 1: world comedy scene. When I was starting out, he had
Speaker 1: just won the biggest prize in comedy in the UK,
Speaker 1: the Edinburgh Fringe Comedy Award, and he continues to be
Speaker 1: as prolific, original and hilarious as ever. As an actor,
Speaker 1: He's been in so much stuff, too much stuff to name,
Speaker 1: and most recently he appeared in the show Everybody's Talking
Speaker 1: About Jamie. We recorded this on Zoom a couple of
Speaker 1: days ago. It was so fun to hang out with
Speaker 1: him for a bit. I was really grateful for his
Speaker 1: time and I think you're going to love it. So
Speaker 1: that is it for now. I very much hope you
Speaker 1: enjoy episode one hundred and sixty eight of Films to
Speaker 1: Be Buried with Hello, and welcome to Films to be
Speaker 1: Very TWI it is me Brett Codstein, and I'm being
Speaker 1: interrupted today by a actor a musical star, a podcaster,
Speaker 1: a comedian and award winner, a legend of the UK
Speaker 1: and possibly the entire world's comedy circuit. A hero to
Speaker 1: us all. It's amazing to have him here. Please welcome
Speaker 1: to the show, the brilliant mister Phil Nicko. Thank you, Brett.
Speaker 1: That's how lovely. A legend to all. How are you?
Speaker 1: I'm good. I think that's kind of in the title.
Speaker 1: A legend sort of means to everybody. I guess you
Speaker 1: could be a legend to your family. You're a legend.
Speaker 1: People are often legends in their own lifetime. Some people
Speaker 1: are legends beyond their lifetime. I think you'll be one
Speaker 1: for many many years. You are a legend, have I Okay? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I think when I started comedy is when you won
Speaker 1: the greatest prize at Olive Comedy. Yes, they said it
Speaker 1: was the the Oscars of Comedy. I doubt that really,
Speaker 1: but it was the the it was the if Dot
Speaker 1: Comedy Award or with the Peria Award as Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And I was actually did an interview earlier today with
Speaker 1: the BBC and we were talking about you because I
Speaker 1: was telling him that I was doing a podcast with
Speaker 1: you and I was remembering a gig that we did
Speaker 1: at I think it was called Crack Comedy. It's in
Speaker 1: in in Putney under the under under the book about Yeah,
Speaker 1: And I think you it was quite early on in
Speaker 1: your career because I was thinking we were talking about
Speaker 1: your your most more recent success. I'm thinking I had
Speaker 1: been going for a very long time at that point,
Speaker 1: and you were a relative newcomer, and it's amazing to
Speaker 1: see that you've gone from that, because you remember that
Speaker 1: gig used to smell bad because the tourists backed up.
Speaker 1: I remember when what did that gig go well? I
Speaker 1: don't remember if that gig went well, but when I going,
Speaker 1: it went well for you, I don't know how. Okay,
Speaker 1: that's good, but it was. It was very much one
Speaker 1: of those you think you stand on there was no stage,
Speaker 1: you sort of stand on the floor in front of
Speaker 1: an audience. It was always a pretty good gig, though
Speaker 1: you're stood in piss. I remember it's sort of bry
Speaker 1: the toilets and you stood in piss. But I've never
Speaker 1: seen you have a bad gig film Nicol, and I
Speaker 1: will say this, You're You're almost impossible to follow. Whenever,
Speaker 1: if ever I have a gig and you're on before me.
Speaker 1: I'm always like, oh fuck. And but that walk about gig,
Speaker 1: I did it once with them Rob Deering, where he
Speaker 1: three minutes before the end. The audience was so horrible.
Speaker 1: There was such a dickhead in the audience that he
Speaker 1: was like, all right, we're not finishing the gig until
Speaker 1: you leave, and the person if I'm not leaving, And
Speaker 1: then there was like a whole standoff and the security
Speaker 1: came down and then security security took the audience inside
Speaker 1: because security were like, actually, you comics can be quite
Speaker 1: rude to people, and we were It's that's not right
Speaker 1: at all. That's what you want. Does you want the
Speaker 1: bouncer to come in? Well, this is what they do
Speaker 1: at the comedy store in London is those guys are
Speaker 1: so big and so calm, they just walk over and
Speaker 1: look at them and then tap them. And then most
Speaker 1: people just at that point realize it's a no win
Speaker 1: battle and leave. But if the bouncer takes the side
Speaker 1: of the audience, you're kind of screwed. Yeah. Man, Now listen,
Speaker 1: Phil Nickel, you have been as far as I understand
Speaker 1: you have been playing in the hit show. Everybody is
Speaker 1: talking about Jamie is that for quite some time you
Speaker 1: did you did? How long did you do it for?
Speaker 1: Please tell me? Well, I well, I started in like
Speaker 1: about four years ago, so I think it was two
Speaker 1: thousand and seventeen is when it started. And I was
Speaker 1: in the original West End production. So I'm I'm on
Speaker 1: like the the cast recording album buck a bucket list
Speaker 1: thing for Yeah, as someone that's never considered themselves a singer,
Speaker 1: it was pretty special. And and then I went back
Speaker 1: in again. I ducked out and I did a tour
Speaker 1: of a solo stand up show called You're Wrong, which
Speaker 1: which went all over the world. I went to like
Speaker 1: fifteen countries and did like one hundred and thirty shows,
Speaker 1: and then I went back into the West End and
Speaker 1: did Jamie again. And then they asked me to come
Speaker 1: back at the end of last year in the middle
Speaker 1: of the lockdown because Shane Ritchie was playing the character
Speaker 1: and he was going to be in on a celebrity
Speaker 1: get me out of here, and then he was stuck
Speaker 1: in the castle wherever it was in Wales. And I
Speaker 1: went and did all the rehearsals but only performed it twice.
Speaker 1: And then I went back in this year for the
Speaker 1: last ten weeks and it's just closed. It was just finished.
Speaker 1: So four times tell me this. I'm curious because you
Speaker 1: are a stand up comedian and you're used to going
Speaker 1: out every night and doing whatever you want. And everybody
Speaker 1: is talking about Jamie's an amazing show, and I bet
Speaker 1: it was a wild time. But did you ever think
Speaker 1: after a few weeks were like, I want to do
Speaker 1: other things, We frustrated by being stuck to a script?
Speaker 1: Or was it always a joy? I really enjoyed it.
Speaker 1: The script is really good. Is written by a guy
Speaker 1: called Tom McCrae who writes and lives in La or
Speaker 1: between la and London. Writes on a show called The Librarians. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's very brilliant. Yeah, yeah, he used to. He reminded
Speaker 1: me that he was the comedy programmer at Goldsmith's College
Speaker 1: years ago. To remember, Goldsmith's used to have those comedy
Speaker 1: stand up shows and he was he was the guy
Speaker 1: that programmed it. So he's gone from that being like
Speaker 1: the young you know, he used to look up to me,
Speaker 1: It used to. But the script, the script for everybody's
Speaker 1: talking about Jamie is really really funny. It's exceptionally funny.
Speaker 1: So you know it's not much different than doing your
Speaker 1: own script, and that you know where the laugh's going
Speaker 1: to come, and you know that they're guaranteed, and um,
Speaker 1: it was a lot of fun. It's a lot of
Speaker 1: fun doing something different. Not to mention it's about a
Speaker 1: forty minute to ride from my house so compared to Yeah,
Speaker 1: and no hotel rooms so I didn't have to go
Speaker 1: to Sheffield stay in the o Yo hotel. Great. Yeah, Phil, Yeah, Phil. Fuck,
Speaker 1: I've forgotten to tell you something. I've forgotten to tell
Speaker 1: you something. And I should have told you what I
Speaker 1: should have told you at the beginning, or an email.
Speaker 1: I could have tweeted you, I suppose but what no, no, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: I should have no. Just spit it out, spit it out.
Speaker 1: I'm an idiot. Fill I should have said. I should
Speaker 1: have said it right, Just get just spit it out. Mate.
Speaker 1: You've died. You are dead. So what you're You're dead?
Speaker 1: I'm I'm dead. You're dead dead? Well dead dead dead?
Speaker 1: How did you? How did you die? It was my
Speaker 1: own fault, Yeah, I don't well it was really yeah,
Speaker 1: well not on my behalf. I was playing I was
Speaker 1: playing Russian Roulette with a mate and I I have
Speaker 1: my my friends, just don't take me seriously. Ever, So
Speaker 1: we were holding guns at each other's heads, right right,
Speaker 1: and and an he went there's no bullets in here.
Speaker 1: I went, yeah, you're right. Then he pulled the trigger
Speaker 1: and blew the back of my head off. Yeah. So
Speaker 1: it's a resin roulette murder? Well is it? Is it murder?
Speaker 1: If I told him you pull the trigger? I mean,
Speaker 1: it's a great question and one one we'll be dealing
Speaker 1: with in court. The irony is right, there's that I
Speaker 1: didn't think he was going to pull the trigger because
Speaker 1: I didn't. And people, it's just the way I am.
Speaker 1: I'm kind of hard to read sometimes, and I think
Speaker 1: he just took me the wrong way. God, this is
Speaker 1: like what happened to Hamilton? Oh man, Yes it is.
Speaker 1: You did, like Hamilton real here right? Yeah. And there
Speaker 1: will be a musical about me in the near future,
Speaker 1: litten by Linn Miranda, and you could play me, you
Speaker 1: could play it would be it would be an on it.
Speaker 1: What what what do you worry about? Death? Nicol? You
Speaker 1: know what I when I was growing up well well
Speaker 1: I mean I was, I was raised in this quite
Speaker 1: a devout born again Christian family in the Brethren Assembly,
Speaker 1: so like like a like a mixture of between the
Speaker 1: Amish and Quakers and so and so. The afterlife and
Speaker 1: the idea of heaven and post life was always something
Speaker 1: that was really forefront in my upbringing and in my
Speaker 1: mind the fact it terrified me going to hell, which
Speaker 1: is kind of what they do. And then and then
Speaker 1: when I left, I sort of escaped from that to
Speaker 1: going to acting school when I was at seventeen or so,
Speaker 1: and I started looking into other world religions, you know.
Speaker 1: I started reading up on like Hinduism, and I thought
Speaker 1: I'll finish that in the next life. And then and
Speaker 1: then I and then I read some sort of reading
Speaker 1: about the Buddhists, and the Buddhists actually believe that you
Speaker 1: should contemplate your own death or death as a concept
Speaker 1: daily in order to alieve it yourself from the fear
Speaker 1: of it. And I don't know if I really believe
Speaker 1: in many of the tenets of any of the major religions,
Speaker 1: but that's always stuck with me as something that allows
Speaker 1: you not to be afraid of death is to to
Speaker 1: just accept that, to try and imagine what it would
Speaker 1: be like not being here it allows you to live
Speaker 1: in a kind of a in a kind of a
Speaker 1: reversed law, of reversed effort. So when you imagine what
Speaker 1: it's like to not be, do you imagine something else? So?
Speaker 1: Do you imagine nothingness? What do you think is in?
Speaker 1: Is there enough to life? Well? I don't believe in
Speaker 1: the afterlife and that it'll be the corporeal life it'll be.
Speaker 1: I once had I once had a hallucination at a
Speaker 1: festival that we were, that we were alive, that we
Speaker 1: return to our original consciousness, which is sort of an
Speaker 1: amalgam of all our consciousness to kid together. And in
Speaker 1: that in that hallstination, I was hearing this lovely music,
Speaker 1: this beautiful orchestral music that was being played, and I
Speaker 1: realized that I was actually in control of it and
Speaker 1: it was being it was being composed as I was
Speaker 1: thinking it. And then I realized it was me that
Speaker 1: was the thing, it was expressing it. And that is
Speaker 1: but as close to what I think it could possibly be.
Speaker 1: If that makes sense, Yeah, it does my sense this
Speaker 1: consciousness you so was it visual? Could you see a thing?
Speaker 1: Or was it a feeling? It was a feeling, It
Speaker 1: wasn't there was no physical sensation. It was just a
Speaker 1: feeling in the music. Was I was aware of other
Speaker 1: kind of other consciousnesses or creatures or the creatures is
Speaker 1: not the right word, because it was. It's more like
Speaker 1: like a large, large collection of thought and sounded music
Speaker 1: and light. So yeah, if you remember in Space Odyssey
Speaker 1: since it's a film podcast, in Space Odyssey when he
Speaker 1: when he travels, there's that one bit at the end
Speaker 1: where there's like where there's like a big like trippy
Speaker 1: psychedelic light and color and sound. But it was a
Speaker 1: it was a bit like that, maybe a bit like that.
Speaker 1: I love. Yeah, And since then we're like, oh, everything's
Speaker 1: all right. Well I came back. When I came back
Speaker 1: to conscious, this is I was actually lying on the
Speaker 1: grass kissing my girlfriend. Oh wow. So so maybe it
Speaker 1: was that that that's a fucking great kiss. It was
Speaker 1: all right, wasn't it. That's it? That is truly a
Speaker 1: transcendent kiss. It's one. It's one I'm not going to forget.
Speaker 1: It's a weird. It's a weird. It's I mean, it's
Speaker 1: not as I'm not as um cookie as as it
Speaker 1: makes up. Just just hallucinations happened, and that I kind
Speaker 1: of had this w was so wild. Yeah, really just yeah,
Speaker 1: I was just I was just really relaxed, I think,
Speaker 1: And I mean, you know, m David Lynch obviously the
Speaker 1: filmmaker is is I love him, Yeah, And so you know,
Speaker 1: he has the David Lynch Foundation, which studies trends and
Speaker 1: dental meditation, and he did it at festival. He was
Speaker 1: there doing a seminar talk and trying to sort of
Speaker 1: introduce people to his foundation, which on the surface you
Speaker 1: could think David Lynch so you have to you sort
Speaker 1: of trust him as a filmmaker and as an artist.
Speaker 1: But at the same time those sort of things sort
Speaker 1: of because of my background, kind of freaked me out
Speaker 1: a little because I think belonging to a large group
Speaker 1: like that feels a little cultish. However, the meditation techniques
Speaker 1: and the things that he was teaching people sort of
Speaker 1: led to a kind of I know, how you put it,
Speaker 1: a higher thought or I guess that's what people do
Speaker 1: when they meditate, right, they try and take themselves to
Speaker 1: outside their bodies and try and have those kind of
Speaker 1: those kind of things. So that's that's where that came from.
Speaker 1: And when I studied acting in many years ago in
Speaker 1: the eighties, and part of our training was to do
Speaker 1: meditation techniques, and we were studying Meisner and and Strasbourg
Speaker 1: and sort of the idea of doing sense memory and
Speaker 1: instant recall for as an acting technique. And part of
Speaker 1: it was to lie on your back, slow your breathing down,
Speaker 1: slow your pulse down, and concentrate on colors and they
Speaker 1: attacked them to memory so that you could recall them
Speaker 1: quickly if you had to do on stage, so if
Speaker 1: you had to cry, you could cry or And I
Speaker 1: never really I never really found that helpful for me personally,
Speaker 1: but because I'd done some of that meditation stuff there,
Speaker 1: I think that's where that moment came from. I love
Speaker 1: it absolutely. Do you do you? Do you? Do you
Speaker 1: actually like it? Or do I really know? I really
Speaker 1: really like it? And do you think I'm crazy? I
Speaker 1: don't think it was crazy too. You've talked about all
Speaker 1: my favorite things. I love the transcendental meditation, I love
Speaker 1: David Lynch, and I love kissing a girl and having
Speaker 1: discovering the universal consciousness. It was it felt like that
Speaker 1: I talked. I've got friends who kind of got into two.
Speaker 1: I'm smoking d MT and stuff. That's quite it's quite
Speaker 1: popular with comedians at the moment. You've done that, well
Speaker 1: many years ago, many many years ago. I'm not I'm
Speaker 1: actually very sober, and I'm an old man. I'm an
Speaker 1: old man. I'm an old man, Brett. But but but
Speaker 1: part of that experience is that you you leave your
Speaker 1: system and you go into this other kind of strange world.
Speaker 1: Terence McKenna talks about it in about the Chrysanthemum and
Speaker 1: that you actually get taken away by McKenny calls them
Speaker 1: mechanical elves. Do you know much about that, Terence McKenna. Everyone.
Speaker 1: That's the difference between having like a hallucination on something
Speaker 1: like LSD or or magic mushrooms something that is that
Speaker 1: it's everyone has their own experience and they see beatles
Speaker 1: on their arms or their rainbows or whatever. But with
Speaker 1: with DMT, everyone has the exact same hallucination or very
Speaker 1: similar people describe the same things even though they're not
Speaker 1: prompted when they come out of it. And that's These
Speaker 1: are these little creatures that go in your eyeballs and
Speaker 1: give you knowledge and laugh at you, and they're very welcoming,
Speaker 1: and Terence McKenna calls them mechanical elves you can go.
Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not making it up, and it's something,
Speaker 1: and it's something, but that I guess it's kind of
Speaker 1: in that realm. It exists in your head, and it's
Speaker 1: in the in the pennel gland, the gland that opens
Speaker 1: up when you pass away, So there is something mystical
Speaker 1: about it. I'm not really a spiritual person though, because
Speaker 1: I've come from this very religious family, I've kind of
Speaker 1: more of a realist. Really. Well, Phil Nickel, I got
Speaker 1: news for you, baby. There's a heaven. There's a heaven,
Speaker 1: and you're welcome in it. And in this heaven, Oh listen,
Speaker 1: everyone's a huge fan. They're delighted you're here. They're frankly delighted.
Speaker 1: You played breast and riulette very dangerously. In this heaven,
Speaker 1: it's filled with your favorite thing. What's your favorite thing?
Speaker 1: Blueberry pancakes. It's blue it's wool to wool blueberry pancakes,
Speaker 1: by which I mean the wolves are made of blueberry pancakes. Well,
Speaker 1: I love it. And the chair is there is there
Speaker 1: a Canadian bacon. Canadian bacon, and you can wow the floors,
Speaker 1: the place fucking stinct and are you a vegan? Vegan?
Speaker 1: I'm happy in your have it. Everyone's there, You're very
Speaker 1: They're very happy to see you, and they want to
Speaker 1: talk about your life. But weirdly, okay, they want to
Speaker 1: talk about your life through film because the film that's
Speaker 1: that's that's what I was thinking. What films are? Films
Speaker 1: are a reflection of life. So why would they do
Speaker 1: the bacon their blueberry pancakes. They want to talk about films,
Speaker 1: and the first thing they ask you is, what's the
Speaker 1: first film you remember seeing Phil Nicol? You know what?
Speaker 1: Just to caveat the discussion because one of the things
Speaker 1: that happened because of the way that I was raised
Speaker 1: in a very loving, very kind and wonderful family. I
Speaker 1: love my family, so don't I don't want to ticket
Speaker 1: it's the wrong way. And my mom and my dad
Speaker 1: are absolutely wonderful people would do anything for you, But
Speaker 1: they were a bit They didn't like things that were
Speaker 1: blasphemous or sacrilegious, and they didn't We didn't really get
Speaker 1: to watch much secular television, or listen to secular music,
Speaker 1: or watch secular films because we were being taught to
Speaker 1: sort of worship Jesus and followed follow We didn't want
Speaker 1: to be taken away from that. But there were some
Speaker 1: wholesome things that we were allowed to do, but go
Speaker 1: to the going to the pictures wasn't one of them.
Speaker 1: But I do remember that. My one of my first
Speaker 1: memories is my aunt Maizie in Glasgow when I was
Speaker 1: about four or five or six, before I moved to Canada,
Speaker 1: took us to see snow White in the Seven Dwarves
Speaker 1: in the cinema, So that would have been that would
Speaker 1: have been nineteen seventy seventy one. How old do you
Speaker 1: do you remember? I think I would have been about
Speaker 1: six years old. Maybe I've moved to Canada when I
Speaker 1: was four and then there were there for ten months,
Speaker 1: and then I moved back to Scotland when I was
Speaker 1: about five, and then when I was there for about
Speaker 1: two years, and then moved back to Canada again and
Speaker 1: finished my education there. So when you do you remember
Speaker 1: being like, holy fucking shit, what's this? Well, it was.
Speaker 1: It was a huge experience. I think that's why such
Speaker 1: a vivid memory because I'd never been in one of
Speaker 1: those things before, so it felt like I was doing
Speaker 1: something any large group of people I'd been around would
Speaker 1: have only been at the church. Yeah. Yeah, I went
Speaker 1: to church five times a week till I was fifteen
Speaker 1: years old. Wow, I know, and you know me, Yeah, explained,
Speaker 1: You've literally just given me the key to feel. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I was. Also I was also really small for my age.
Speaker 1: I was tiny little boy, and I had when i'm
Speaker 1: When I was, I come up to everyone my age,
Speaker 1: to come up to the shoulders. And when I moved
Speaker 1: to Canada, I skipped a grade because the British school
Speaker 1: system meant that I was. It was just a better
Speaker 1: school system, so I feel I was able to do
Speaker 1: all the tests and I skipped a grade up, so
Speaker 1: I was actually elbow height to everyone that I went
Speaker 1: to school with. And I also had a clinical stutter
Speaker 1: and a really bad lisp, so and a Scottish accent.
Speaker 1: And I had to wear I wore a school uniform,
Speaker 1: but in Canada do not wear school uniforms. And I
Speaker 1: wasn't allowed to wear denim because Denham was the devil's fabric.
Speaker 1: So it's fair to say that I got I got
Speaker 1: picked on a lot, like I had my head pushed
Speaker 1: in lockers and held up psyche garbage bins and all
Speaker 1: sorts yeah, but I'm cool now, Bret, you're sucking cold.
Speaker 1: You'd thank you, man, thank you. But you know, it's
Speaker 1: all as long as I'm in heaven. Yeah, you're listen,
Speaker 1: and everyone's like, this guy's the coolest guy. We've added it.
Speaker 1: What what what's the film that made you cry the most?
Speaker 1: I imagine you're a crier. I could be wrong. I
Speaker 1: am a crested man. I'm a cry I'm a crier.
Speaker 1: In fact, about four or five years ago, I had
Speaker 1: to research it because I found myself crying so much,
Speaker 1: like like daily. And I've done this from when I
Speaker 1: was whenever I can remember. I used to be horribly
Speaker 1: embarrassed about it. And then as I got involved in
Speaker 1: acting and stuff like that, I realized it's not a
Speaker 1: bad thing to be able to get pretty good cry. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's not bad, right, it's good trick. It's good trick.
Speaker 1: And but I used to cry so much. I cry
Speaker 1: so much. I actually believe that it's good for you
Speaker 1: and I and I've researched it, looked into some papers
Speaker 1: that have been done, and they believe that as men
Speaker 1: could become older, they cry more, and as women become
Speaker 1: older they cry less. They think it has something to
Speaker 1: do with childbirth and the pain of childbirth, which gives
Speaker 1: a woman a much deeper backstop than men, and that
Speaker 1: all and that men become more sentimental and more effeminate
Speaker 1: as their libido dies off, and that you actually may
Speaker 1: even be releasing toxins through your through your tear ducts.
Speaker 1: So I've always found the real real release in crying.
Speaker 1: So you crying is getting rid of toxic masculinity. We
Speaker 1: were crying it out. Well, oh yeah, I never thought
Speaker 1: of it like that, but yeah, but you know when
Speaker 1: you see old guys like I lived in little Italy
Speaker 1: in Toronto, and you see the old guys used to
Speaker 1: sit in the morning with their little coffees, their expressos
Speaker 1: and that little cup of whatever it is. It's not uzo,
Speaker 1: but the Italian version where they and they and they,
Speaker 1: you can see them sentimentally. You see an old men
Speaker 1: in pubs here in the Legion pubs where you just
Speaker 1: see men crying every so often because they just got
Speaker 1: reminiscing and I think maybe get topped up with emotion.
Speaker 1: I don't know, Brett, but when I was a teenager,
Speaker 1: there was a film that I remember this being the
Speaker 1: most moving film at the time, and I haven't seen
Speaker 1: it since, so it's probably it may be trashy, but
Speaker 1: it was a Steve Guttenberg film called Something for Joey
Speaker 1: and Something What's that. I'm just so excited that you've
Speaker 1: said that it has never come up on here. Do
Speaker 1: you know Something for Joey? Steve believe it is, but
Speaker 1: go and tell you, yeah, well, it's based on I'm
Speaker 1: going I just because I made it. I made a
Speaker 1: note of it because I want to make sure that
Speaker 1: I get it. I get this absolutely right. Something for
Speaker 1: Joey is a true story. It's a docu drama. It's
Speaker 1: like a documentary, not a documented a docu drama about
Speaker 1: a Heisman college play called John Cappelletti and his younger
Speaker 1: brother Joey, who had leukemia. And when this football player,
Speaker 1: stay played by Steve Guttenberg, goes to wins the Heisman Trophy,
Speaker 1: which is like the college trophy for quarterbacking, he said
Speaker 1: he was doing it for his little brother Joey, who
Speaker 1: was at that point having a downturn because it was leukemia.
Speaker 1: And then you find out the end that that Joey
Speaker 1: as indeed passed away in that and that this footballer,
Speaker 1: John Cappelletti did something for Joey and I remember as
Speaker 1: a young boy, I might have been eleven or twelve
Speaker 1: or thirteen when it came out. I remember finding it
Speaker 1: really hard to get over and knowing that it was true.
Speaker 1: It made me maybe crying, crying cry. So my mom
Speaker 1: had to help me and explain to me why other
Speaker 1: kids die. So what did he say? Well, I mean,
Speaker 1: remember it's through the optics of Christianity. So it was
Speaker 1: that that everything happens for a reason. It's a test
Speaker 1: for you, and that good you'd take good things away,
Speaker 1: and good things can come from bad things, and not
Speaker 1: all good things end up good. So and you know,
Speaker 1: So I went on to try and I got into
Speaker 1: high school football. I wanted to win that trophy Brett,
Speaker 1: but I'm four foot five at that point, I didn't
Speaker 1: hit puberties. I was nineteen. I was the smallest kid
Speaker 1: at school. There's a small, crying, stuttering Scottish kid that
Speaker 1: wasn't what Yes, is the film that scared you the most?
Speaker 1: Do you like being scared? Yeah? I do. Actually, I
Speaker 1: think the scary movies that I like are more the
Speaker 1: ones that are kind of make you uncomfortable. I like,
Speaker 1: remember remember when I started so what got sneaking out
Speaker 1: to watch movies when I was fifteen and sixteen, and
Speaker 1: I'd set sneak around with my friend Barry Davis, who
Speaker 1: when he was sixteen bott a lot and then we
Speaker 1: were free to go wherever we want. We would go
Speaker 1: and see He's He went to film school and he
Speaker 1: is now an executive producer at the CBC, the Canadian
Speaker 1: Broadcasting Corporation. He does documentary films and stuff like that.
Speaker 1: But he because of him, I didn't really go and
Speaker 1: see like Porky's and like nineteen eighties films like that,
Speaker 1: and you know, the original Ghostbusters didn't see it. We
Speaker 1: went to see really weird stuff like Bill for psyth movies,
Speaker 1: and we went to see like Kiss. There's a movie
Speaker 1: called Kiss that I was going to talk about was
Speaker 1: Molly Parker, which is a Canadian indie film about a
Speaker 1: girl who gets a job in an embalming book Dead
Speaker 1: Bodies and becomes a necrophiliac and her boyfriend, who's a
Speaker 1: studying psychology, gets involved in her psychology and falls in
Speaker 1: love with her. Anyway, I won't spoil the movie for you,
Speaker 1: but but that But the movie that scared me the most,
Speaker 1: the one that the one affects me the most is
Speaker 1: Old Boy. It's a Korean it's a Korean suspense and
Speaker 1: it's about a guy who goes out drinking with his
Speaker 1: daughter on her birthday and she gets kidnapped and he
Speaker 1: ends up in a police please sell drunk and they
Speaker 1: think it's him and then he wakes up and he's
Speaker 1: suddenly in a hotel room with no walls or windows,
Speaker 1: and he I think it takes them quite a while
Speaker 1: to punch his way out of it and try to
Speaker 1: figure out who has done this thing. Yeah, it's a
Speaker 1: great film. It's it's a there's a scene. Can I
Speaker 1: talk about the movie spoilers now? And if you have
Speaker 1: not seen A Boy, then please skip ahead one minute
Speaker 1: now you know now you know what don't Let's just
Speaker 1: just trust me, trust me if you I've seen that
Speaker 1: movie many times because I just it just gets it's
Speaker 1: it's just unbearable and it's it's unbearable. And I don't
Speaker 1: know if that's scary, but it's just unbearable. Yeah. Did
Speaker 1: you find that? Yeah? Is like holy shit. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: a really it's a really good film. Good yeah, so
Speaker 1: I think I like those ones. But the thing that
Speaker 1: I remember being scared again as a kid. One of
Speaker 1: the wholesome movies I remember my mum letting us watch
Speaker 1: was The Wizard of Oz, which isn't really a scary movie.
Speaker 1: Isn't really a scary movie unless you're a little cry
Speaker 1: baby like me. But I was really young when I
Speaker 1: saw it, and I and I got nightmares. You know
Speaker 1: when the tornado hits and the teacher's riding her bike
Speaker 1: and then the teacher turns into the wicked Witch of
Speaker 1: the West. Yeah, that's that when the cows are spinning round,
Speaker 1: which is an amazing, amazing film effect for that day. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that that terrified me as a kid and my mother,
Speaker 1: and I remember my mother was reminded me of me
Speaker 1: screaming and crying in the middle of the night, my
Speaker 1: mom coming in to console me because of that moment
Speaker 1: where the teacher on the bicycle turns into the witch
Speaker 1: on the broom. That's the scariest film moment I've ever
Speaker 1: I've ever had. I mean, I pray you never see
Speaker 1: returned to us. The secret is when it scariest films
Speaker 1: you'll ever see, is it? It makes wayzard of always
Speaker 1: look like a kids film. Let's put it that way, right,
Speaker 1: What is the film that most people don't like? It
Speaker 1: is not critically acclaimed, but you love it and you
Speaker 1: don't care what anyone says. It's a really hard one.
Speaker 1: I like films because I think when you're told not
Speaker 1: that you're not allowed to watch them, then you you
Speaker 1: then sort of love seeing. Yeah, and I love indie films,
Speaker 1: and I love I don't really like big blockbusters generally.
Speaker 1: I always go like, you know, I like I like
Speaker 1: the Dogma films, and I like Large one Treer, and
Speaker 1: I like all sorts of weird little stuff. But there's
Speaker 1: a film. There's a film actor called Dan Haggarty who
Speaker 1: was Grizzly Adams, right, great Canadian actor, and he did
Speaker 1: a film called Elves, which is a horror movie. Said
Speaker 1: at Christmas time, do you know Elves? I don't know Elves?
Speaker 1: Their like they said, Dan Haggarty. It's a terrible, terrible
Speaker 1: film which I love and could watch again and again.
Speaker 1: Dan Haggarty plays a drunken, washed up cop detective who
Speaker 1: who's lost his job because he's a drunkard. And he
Speaker 1: is also this he's a superstore, Santa Claus, who's a drunk,
Speaker 1: and these kids, these kids get locked in the shop
Speaker 1: there they're they're a shoplifting get locked in the shop
Speaker 1: after the shop closes. And the girls, one of the
Speaker 1: girls in the group, her father is a Nazi scientist
Speaker 1: who's escaped from Nazi Germany and he's created these Nazi
Speaker 1: elves that he are going to impregnate the girl to
Speaker 1: see if they can create a master race. And Dan Haggardy,
Speaker 1: Santa Claus, the washed up cop, saves the day. Well
Speaker 1: does he or does he? Spoiler alert good, it's pretty good.
Speaker 1: I love it. I love it. I don't think I
Speaker 1: don't think it rates on anyone's radar, but I love it.
Speaker 1: Good shout, I'm putting on the list. Okay, what's a
Speaker 1: film that you used to love but you've watched recently
Speaker 1: and you've gone now, I don't like this anymore, for
Speaker 1: whatever reason that may be. It was Dangerous Liaison with
Speaker 1: John Malkovich. I loved Dangerous dasas why not now? Well
Speaker 1: I watched it again? Yeah, go ahead, I thought, I remember,
Speaker 1: I remember because that was one of the movies that
Speaker 1: Barry and I and as Lado would drive downtown. We
Speaker 1: went to watch Dangerous Lyas and we loved John Malkovich.
Speaker 1: And it's got Uma Thurman in it, and she, I mean,
Speaker 1: at that time, we were just young guys would adorned
Speaker 1: Uma Thurman and Glenn Close is a phenomenal actress. And
Speaker 1: I remember it being really great. I remember it being
Speaker 1: really but then you go back and you realize it's
Speaker 1: just very eighties. It was because I remember that was
Speaker 1: that was around the time of Armadeus from Falco and
Speaker 1: Armadeus with them what's his name, tom Holz, tom Holtz,
Speaker 1: so that that even powdered Wiggs even came back in
Speaker 1: slightly for a moment there. I think in the New
Speaker 1: Romantic period, did you ever have one a powdered wigging,
Speaker 1: I would sue you. I might get one now. I
Speaker 1: think I think it would see me. Actually, I think
Speaker 1: it would because you've got that kind of dark beard,
Speaker 1: and I think it s you've got a white powdered wig.
Speaker 1: So anyway, I watched it. I watched it again, Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I remembered watching it. I loved John Malkovich's performance.
Speaker 1: He's so lovely and slimy and snaky, but he's not
Speaker 1: it's not his fault. It really it's kind of a
Speaker 1: game between Glenn Close plays a game and loses. But
Speaker 1: it's just very eighties and there's a bit of there's
Speaker 1: a few sex scenes in it and a bit of
Speaker 1: a bit of nudity. And I now, I think, oh,
Speaker 1: that's why I liked it. I think that's why I
Speaker 1: liked it so much, because because I was like, I
Speaker 1: was like, ah, I repressed, repressed Scottish teenager with a lisp.
Speaker 1: This is the best film ever made, exactly right, Okay, No,
Speaker 1: because no, no, but because it because it looked like
Speaker 1: an art house it was. It's an art house film.
Speaker 1: It's got nudity and they're wearing wigs. It must be good, exactly.
Speaker 1: It's period nudity. So I was. I was into Shakespeare
Speaker 1: and all sort of like reading poetry and stuff. At
Speaker 1: one point I was reading like Korean poetry and thought
Speaker 1: that maybe I'd been reincarnated from a Korean prince anyway,
Speaker 1: as a whole other story, and I thought during Terestlys,
Speaker 1: I was so romantic. But I watched it recently and
Speaker 1: it's actually it's a little bit offensive, interesting, interesting earth. Okay,
Speaker 1: what is the film that means the most to you.
Speaker 1: Not necessarily the film is any good, but because the
Speaker 1: experience you had around seeing the film that will always
Speaker 1: make it special to you. Well, this is this is
Speaker 1: an easy one. It's what women want. Go on. It
Speaker 1: was Mel Gibson Helen Hunt won an actress. So I
Speaker 1: went home to Canada. My parents live in Canada. It
Speaker 1: was New Year's Eve. I'd gone out and done some
Speaker 1: gigs and then on Year's Day, I was living in
Speaker 1: a house with a bunch of comedians and we have
Speaker 1: a party called the Survivor's Party, and it's basically for
Speaker 1: comedians who have done a gig the night before. You
Speaker 1: can show up there at noon and the party continues
Speaker 1: and it's sort of like the end of the year,
Speaker 1: like we don't get a Christmas party because we're all working.
Speaker 1: So I had come straight from that party to the
Speaker 1: airport and then got home and I had broken up
Speaker 1: with my partner and went home to my mom and dad,
Speaker 1: and my mom and dad are still lovely, lovely to
Speaker 1: see them, but I needed to get out of the
Speaker 1: flat and go and see a movie. So I went
Speaker 1: to see the only movie that was on at ten
Speaker 1: o'clock and I actually went to the mall. So if
Speaker 1: my mom watches this, she'll be angry at me. But
Speaker 1: I was. I used to smoke cigarettes and she didn't
Speaker 1: know that. She may now know anyway, she may now
Speaker 1: my dad may. My dad will definitely listen to this
Speaker 1: podcasts and find out. And it was a disgusting habit.
Speaker 1: So I went over to the mall and I used
Speaker 1: to smoke behind the bins with the teenagers who are
Speaker 1: looking at me like, who's this weirdo? And then at
Speaker 1: ten o'clock, the only movie that was on was What
Speaker 1: Women Want. Now, if you've not seen What Women Want,
Speaker 1: it's about a guy who can read women's minds, and
Speaker 1: it's so hard on Mel, poor Mel Gibson and Helen Hunt.
Speaker 1: What an actress. So I was actually sitting in there
Speaker 1: was there was There was only three other good people
Speaker 1: in the cinema, and it was three young kids who
Speaker 1: were from like who lived near me, sitting the road
Speaker 1: just behind me, and they're just taking the pits. They
Speaker 1: just come there for the same reason I just to
Speaker 1: get out. But I wasn't really caring. I didn't really
Speaker 1: care about them. But they've scene where Helen Hunt, where
Speaker 1: Mel's gone and that flat is empty, and you can
Speaker 1: Helen Hunt has got all over, furniture has moved, and
Speaker 1: it's over. And I broke down, and I'll tell you
Speaker 1: all what a great actress she is. I knew that
Speaker 1: it was a set. I knew that it wasn't a
Speaker 1: real up flat. I knew that you could see on
Speaker 1: the floor there was no like the marks on the floor,
Speaker 1: that furniture, I mean, that wasn't there because it was
Speaker 1: a shit set. I knew all that. But Helen Hunt
Speaker 1: is such a good actress. She was so believable. She
Speaker 1: puts her hand against the door frame and she's crying,
Speaker 1: and I'm crying. Helen Hunt is amazing, I believe. I
Speaker 1: knew this was on the Warner Brothers Law. I've been there.
Speaker 1: I knew workstil, I knew Sonia. It was rain in
Speaker 1: the background. It's raining, pouring with rain. I knew that
Speaker 1: was fake rain. But even then, Helen Hunt is so
Speaker 1: good that I broke down and I started crying, and
Speaker 1: I'm bawling into my hands after like on a calm down,
Speaker 1: And all I hear is these two kids gone, look
Speaker 1: at him. Look him. He's crying. He's crying and I
Speaker 1: was like so upset with myself because I was crying
Speaker 1: because Helen Hunt is such a good actress. Yeah, Helen
Speaker 1: Hunt was in a movie called Quarterback Princess. Have you
Speaker 1: ever seen that Princess? Oh, come on, you're not a
Speaker 1: Helen Hunt. Helen Hunt was in a movie called Quarterback
Speaker 1: Princess where she plays a girl and the opening scene
Speaker 1: is her throwing a can of coke across the school
Speaker 1: the school cafeteria, and she catchy. She throws it and
Speaker 1: then someone throws back. She catches it. She's got the
Speaker 1: best arm in the school. But the coach is a
Speaker 1: guy from Texas who won't not get a little group
Speaker 1: play on our team. And Helen Hunt's dad, I don't
Speaker 1: forget who plays her dad, but it's someone really good
Speaker 1: like Jeff Dangels is on you gotta She's gotta play
Speaker 1: so Quarterback Princess. She ends up well. I don't want
Speaker 1: to spoil it for anyone that wants to watch Quarterback Princess,
Speaker 1: but she's such a good actress. I believe she threw
Speaker 1: that football. Helen Hunt is a great football player. She's
Speaker 1: the quarterback and then act she's the greatest laback we
Speaker 1: have exactly and when she throws the winning pass anyway,
Speaker 1: I won't want to spoil it for you, but Helen
Speaker 1: Hunt Quarterback Princess check it out. I just want that side.
Speaker 1: That will be the advert for this episode and the
Speaker 1: advert for Quarterback Princess. Why not. What is the film
Speaker 1: that you must relate to its most relate to? Well,
Speaker 1: you know what, that's a tough one really. One of
Speaker 1: the movies that meant a lot to me growing up
Speaker 1: was a movie called Comfort and Joy, which is a
Speaker 1: Bill Forsyth movie, and I know we saw it because
Speaker 1: it's set in Cumbernauld and that's where I was born.
Speaker 1: I was born in Cumbernauld, Scotland. And the school in
Speaker 1: Gregory's Girl, which is also Bill Forsyth movie, they go
Speaker 1: to abron Hill High School or abron Hill School, and
Speaker 1: that's where my brothers were at school when we left
Speaker 1: for Canada. So there's something very comfortable about it. And
Speaker 1: it was I was a teenager and I was madly
Speaker 1: in love with Claire Grogan. So I remember. If you
Speaker 1: know the movie Comfort and Joy, it's m Bill Patterson
Speaker 1: plays Dicky Bird, who's a DJ who's broken up with
Speaker 1: broken hearted and the and these ice cream. It's an
Speaker 1: ice cream truck war. It's based on there was an
Speaker 1: ice truck ice cream war in Scotland the two Italian families,
Speaker 1: and that's what the movie is about. And I just
Speaker 1: remember not being able to take my eyes off the
Speaker 1: screen because waiting for Claire Grogan to come back on screen.
Speaker 1: I've since met her. I met her in Edinburgh. She's awesome.
Speaker 1: She's as awesome as you think she is. She's just great.
Speaker 1: And that and that was it, really and that's I mean,
Speaker 1: does that work. Yeah, that's exactly right. That is the
Speaker 1: correct answer. That's the correct answer. Thank you, thank you,
Speaker 1: you got it right. I mean I was you'd say, confidentially. Yeah.
Speaker 1: The other one that I really liked, which doesn't have
Speaker 1: then do with me, is is the semi autobiographical movie
Speaker 1: Pecker by John Waters, which is an amazingly funny film
Speaker 1: that the grandmother who speaks through a nun puppet anyway,
Speaker 1: but it's all based on based on his real life
Speaker 1: as but instead of being a filmmaker, he's a little
Speaker 1: boy that takes photographs and ends up going to New
Speaker 1: York with an exhibition and it's about as about a
Speaker 1: little boy that had this drive to go and do stuff,
Speaker 1: and I related to it, not because I'm anything like
Speaker 1: as nearly as talented brilliant as John Waters, but that
Speaker 1: when I was seven, I was one of those acting kids.
Speaker 1: I really was determined to become an actor, and I
Speaker 1: left home when I was seven to go and do it.
Speaker 1: And so that would be the one his family hit
Speaker 1: John John Waters family seems nuts, like the whole, Like
Speaker 1: he said, I've read an interviews that he's like, it's
Speaker 1: not as far off as people think. People think it's
Speaker 1: some flight of fancies. It take you're a lot closer
Speaker 1: to reality. Yeah, which would explain him, Which would explain him.
Speaker 1: Probably great movie. I love that movie, right, movie? I
Speaker 1: love him? Yea? What is Oh, Phil, I'm messy? Mean
Speaker 1: You've got a good answer to this one. What's the
Speaker 1: sexiest film you've ever seen? Well? The sexiest film? I was?
Speaker 1: I mean, do you mean it depends what you mean
Speaker 1: by sexy? I mean there's sexy is in that's like
Speaker 1: sharp and sexy, or there's sexy you mean like physically sexy.
Speaker 1: What did you mean like horniest film? Or did you
Speaker 1: mean like what's the sexiest film? Like, Oh, that's sexy.
Speaker 1: That's good. Which one? Which one? Do you mean? Absolutely interpretation?
Speaker 1: I mean, okay, well I mean that case. What's the
Speaker 1: film You're like, fucking yeah, Well it goes back obviously.
Speaker 1: This is me being an eighties kid growing up, and
Speaker 1: I remember Nine and a half Weeks being one that
Speaker 1: made you go like kind of awakening me going wow,
Speaker 1: that's like, that's pretty. It's it's not really erotica, is it,
Speaker 1: but it gets pretty. It's pretty raunch. It's a sex fan. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Mickey Rourke did a few of those, didn't He did
Speaker 1: another one about the Angel what's it called? Um that
Speaker 1: Angel Hart That's that's got some sexy scenes in it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but compared compared compared to movies now though those seems
Speaker 1: those scenes seem really tame. But nine and a half
Speaker 1: Weeks I remember Kim Bastor just being like whoa wow, Wow,
Speaker 1: that was amazing. And Something Something What I was a
Speaker 1: huge I was a huge fan of Michelle Me Melly
Speaker 1: Griffith when she was young, when she was young. And
Speaker 1: Something Wild is an amazing movie at Jonathan Demi movie,
Speaker 1: and and it's got Rayleod it in it, and and
Speaker 1: Jeff's actually I'm just maybe that's where I've said that
Speaker 1: maybe maybe Jeff to End isn't in Quarterback Princess. If
Speaker 1: you go to a look at Quarterback Princess looking for
Speaker 1: Jeff Daniels, he's not in it, don't blame me. Just
Speaker 1: realize you should be watching Something Wild? And yeah, was
Speaker 1: it Something Wild? A great movie? Though? Yeah, I have
Speaker 1: to say I was a fan of Jonathan Demi and
Speaker 1: I where is it? Jonathan dem What would you say, Demi?
Speaker 1: I just there's the amount of stuff you put out,
Speaker 1: all different, all interesting, all all very I don't know
Speaker 1: what the word is, esoteric, all very stylish and and
Speaker 1: and sexy and something Wild Something Wild was pretty sexy,
Speaker 1: and the other one that was sexy like that was
Speaker 1: the one with oh never mind. Okay, I do think,
Speaker 1: yeah that I think those I think that would be
Speaker 1: it for me. Nine and a half weeks. Okay. There's
Speaker 1: a subcategory to this question. Phil Nicole traveling bone is worrying.
Speaker 1: Why don't what's the film you found a rousing that
Speaker 1: you weren't sure? You shit, there's not. This doesn't mean
Speaker 1: I found I found it hard to answer this. I
Speaker 1: meant she kissed before and I think that's why it
Speaker 1: was in my mind. I thought, I thought, Molly Parker.
Speaker 1: There's a scene in that movie where her boyfriend is
Speaker 1: watching her make love to a corpse, and the camera
Speaker 1: pans up to her in ecstasy, and there's a flash
Speaker 1: of light and it's quite it's it's because there's something
Speaker 1: it's wrong, right, it's very wrong. I'd say it's. Yeah,
Speaker 1: woman having sex with the corps. Would would would very
Speaker 1: much fit the bill to this answer. Yeah. So, so
Speaker 1: there's a scene in the movie because you have you
Speaker 1: have to understand what the film is is. It's this
Speaker 1: guy's in love with this in love with this woman's psychology,
Speaker 1: but as because he's trying to figure it out. He's
Speaker 1: trying to she doesn't love him. He's in love with her,
Speaker 1: and he's trying to figure out how to get her
Speaker 1: to fall in love with him. So he starts watching her.
Speaker 1: And then there's a scene in the mortuary where she's
Speaker 1: with an embombed body, and it's it's just shot in
Speaker 1: a really erotic fashion, and I remember thinking, holy shit,
Speaker 1: this is wrong, like, this is wrong. I should not
Speaker 1: be feeling these feelings. You can't, but you know, it's
Speaker 1: a movie. So it wasn't real. You really got the
Speaker 1: answer right as well, there's two answers you've got exactly right.
Speaker 1: What is objectively, objectively it might not be your favorite,
Speaker 1: but what is objectively the greatest film of all time?
Speaker 1: I would say Blade Runner for a variety of reasons,
Speaker 1: because it was ahead of its time. It came out,
Speaker 1: it was up against the Star Wars films, which are okay,
Speaker 1: I'm not a Star Wars fan, sorry everybody, but they're okay.
Speaker 1: They are obviously magnificent works of brilliance and whatever. But
Speaker 1: I thought Blade Runner was a much more. It was
Speaker 1: about something very real, and we're actually seeing it's coming
Speaker 1: things like that. We can we're coming closer to the
Speaker 1: fruition of having that actual things happening, where there's replicants
Speaker 1: and cyborgs and those things. I think we can actually
Speaker 1: see that it might those things might actually occur, even
Speaker 1: though it was said in twenty nineteen, but the opening,
Speaker 1: but I saw the director's cut which doesn't have them
Speaker 1: have the voiceover, and it's an amazing film. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: an amazing film. It's just gorgeous. It's gorgeous, the Van
Speaker 1: Gaalus music, it's just I had like Timeless, because it's
Speaker 1: really hard to write futuristic music that still remains futuristic.
Speaker 1: Even now, it still sounds futuristic. The only other one
Speaker 1: that did that was Clockwork Orange, where they You've got
Speaker 1: an a great, incredible soundtrack because they try to imagine
Speaker 1: what pop music would be like in the future and
Speaker 1: it's just mental. Yeah, so yeah, very good. As what's
Speaker 1: the film you could or have? What's the most over
Speaker 1: and over again? Well, I would have to say Spinal Tap,
Speaker 1: just because scene after scene it's a classic. There's not
Speaker 1: a bad there's not a bad scene in it. Kick
Speaker 1: my ass, you know, kick this guy's at Kick this
Speaker 1: guy's ass because there's no one at the record store.
Speaker 1: It's just so good. And I went to see you
Speaker 1: with Barry again. I went. I went with my friend Barry,
Speaker 1: Barry Dams, and we went into the cinema. There's no one.
Speaker 1: This is I live out in the suburbs where people
Speaker 1: have no clue. And we walked up and we said,
Speaker 1: the guy like it in back in the days when
Speaker 1: people that worked in cinemas had to wear suits and
Speaker 1: bow ties, and we went, what's this movie likement? I
Speaker 1: don't know, it's not very good, and we were like,
Speaker 1: we supposed to be really funny. He went, no, it's
Speaker 1: really dry. One was there looking this is not dry.
Speaker 1: I think he thought it was an actual documentary. Paul Shaeffer.
Speaker 1: Paul Shaffer, Yeah, the other, the other, the other one,
Speaker 1: that the other one that I watched back to back
Speaker 1: because I couldn't believe it was real. I couldn't believe
Speaker 1: i'd watched it. Um Kerry Marks and I we around
Speaker 1: Christmas time. He's Jewish and I don't worship the baby
Speaker 1: Jesus so much. And my family are in Canada. We
Speaker 1: used to have yule tidans and pretend we were Pagans
Speaker 1: for about seven days and we so we'd watch we'd
Speaker 1: only choose films that were that were anti Christ or
Speaker 1: not or not about Jesus at all. And the only
Speaker 1: one that ever cut us out was Ben Her which
Speaker 1: actually has Jesus in it, which we were disgusted with it.
Speaker 1: But we watched the French film Cab called Man Bites Dog,
Speaker 1: Man Bites Dog, that is unbelievable, and we were we
Speaker 1: were wasted. We'd been up like quite like it was
Speaker 1: quite like the last film in the Night and we
Speaker 1: just got closer and closer to the television because we
Speaker 1: couldn't believe we were drinking and we were like stunned.
Speaker 1: And the and the way it ends, it's just like
Speaker 1: it's not satisfying in any way. It's totally disturbing, it's
Speaker 1: completely and it's funny, yah, and it's it's really really funny.
Speaker 1: You think I shouldn't be laughing at us, but it's
Speaker 1: just so well done. It's and I could watch I
Speaker 1: could watch that again and again and again. We watched it.
Speaker 1: We put we finished it and put it on immediately
Speaker 1: and watched it again twice twice in a row. That's
Speaker 1: how good it was. It was amazing. Wow. What is now?
Speaker 1: We don't like to be negative, phil, so we'll do
Speaker 1: it fairly. Now, of course, what's the worst film you've
Speaker 1: ever seen? Well, as I said, I've never made a film.
Speaker 1: I've tried to make a few short films, So I
Speaker 1: would hate to criticize anyone's effort to make a film.
Speaker 1: But if someone is lauded filmmaker and then makes something
Speaker 1: you think is a bit duff, then I think it's
Speaker 1: fair enough to criticize it, right, Is that fair enough? Right?
Speaker 1: So whatever you want Tenant, Christopher Nolan's Tenant. It just
Speaker 1: it's just rubbish. It's just rubbist. It's absolute rubbish. What
Speaker 1: the fun? A waste of time and effort. Okay, so sorry,
Speaker 1: and I think I'm just really of Christopher Nolan will
Speaker 1: never have a film. I just I didn't. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. I love his films. I just wouldn't expect
Speaker 1: it so much. And I was sitting there going, oh,
Speaker 1: come on. Other people said it was Mother, they hated Mother.
Speaker 1: I thought Mother was brilliant. I thought Mother because I
Speaker 1: thought Mother was so again disturbing. It physically made you ill.
Speaker 1: And a racer Head did that. David David Lynch actually
Speaker 1: used one of you probably know this because you're the
Speaker 1: film buff used sound. The sound that David Lynch used
Speaker 1: in Eraserhead was made purposely to make you feel uncomfortable,
Speaker 1: like so it gets under your skin. And Mother did
Speaker 1: that of that, whereas Tenant just made me want to leave,
Speaker 1: but I stayed because I'd paid money. I nearly left
Speaker 1: the cinema. Why would you leave a cinema watching just
Speaker 1: go Come on, that's not a Russian accent anyway. What
Speaker 1: is the film you're you're a comedian, you're an award,
Speaker 1: You're you're technically the best comedian. What is the film
Speaker 1: that made you laugh themse Well, I love Christopher Guest
Speaker 1: and that group of guys. Yes, and I loved and
Speaker 1: I loved there are all those films are good, mighty
Speaker 1: win Best in Show. But I Waiting for Goffman was
Speaker 1: the one that got me because I'm a theater kid,
Speaker 1: i am dram theater was something was just really I
Speaker 1: just know the world and I know the characters, and
Speaker 1: I just found I just found it's also very important,
Speaker 1: self important and that and they just love They just
Speaker 1: nail that so beautifully. But the other but I think
Speaker 1: that's a film that I enjoyed the most as a comedy.
Speaker 1: But the one that probably made me laugh out loud
Speaker 1: is of Martin Scorsisi film called After Hours. Yeah, I know,
Speaker 1: Griffin done, Griffin done, roseannar Cat. It's just it's just
Speaker 1: brilliant and the way it resolves brilliant, just funny. It's
Speaker 1: just there's again, there's not a bad scene in it.
Speaker 1: It's just really really funny film. And I can watch
Speaker 1: that again and again. So it's very you After Hours,
Speaker 1: Is it that yeah, so yeah, I think your show
Speaker 1: is it like after hours? Are they well? I guess
Speaker 1: like often like a wild ride, you know a word
Speaker 1: sort of experience of chasing a thing and oh they're
Speaker 1: mad people you meet and experiences you have, you know what.
Speaker 1: I've never put that together, and I wonder if it's
Speaker 1: not had a direct effect on my own storytelling that
Speaker 1: because I got to meet Griffin Done. I went to
Speaker 1: UM I was in New York doing a play with
Speaker 1: the dawnmar and I was in name dropping, but I
Speaker 1: was but I got it was London. It was a
Speaker 1: New York, New York fashion Week, and I was with
Speaker 1: Simon Morley from the Popetary of the Penis, who lived
Speaker 1: out in Connecticut. We're friends and he's friends with Griffin Dunne,
Speaker 1: and we went to a party, like a big fashion
Speaker 1: party with like Madonna and all these people there, and
Speaker 1: we were like Griffin Done. I was in a T
Speaker 1: shirt and jeans and jean shorts and everyone else is
Speaker 1: done up to the nines, and Griffin Dune was like
Speaker 1: in just like a like a shirt you'd wear a
Speaker 1: bank and some jeans and some loafers and people were
Speaker 1: coming up to something looking at him. Like looking at
Speaker 1: us like, why are you guys here and not realizing
Speaker 1: he's probably he's probably one of the most famous people
Speaker 1: in the room, right and and and then we were
Speaker 1: upstairs on a back. Maybe I shouldn't tell this story.
Speaker 1: I'll tell you the story and then you can tell
Speaker 1: me whether or not you should keep it in. Okay,
Speaker 1: should I tell you the story? We basically there was
Speaker 1: one bath, one toilet, and when we both had the
Speaker 1: same experience. When we went to the toilet, you had
Speaker 1: to chew up. And in the queue, they'd all be
Speaker 1: talking all fashioniss talking each other funny hats and cookie
Speaker 1: glasses and big fact want funny mustaches and knee lent
Speaker 1: boots and weird. Well, this like fashion stuff and I'm
Speaker 1: in like T shirt and sneakers. So I just didn't
Speaker 1: want to go to the bathroom anymore. I didn't want
Speaker 1: to up for the toilet neither, and we we I
Speaker 1: was telling him that, and he went, I just had
Speaker 1: the same experience. And then about an hour or two later,
Speaker 1: he's like, oh, I'm kind of go to the bathroom again.
Speaker 1: I went. Anyway, We're just like it was like it's
Speaker 1: like a swimming pool, like someone someone loved the Solon's house.
Speaker 1: He was like, just come over here and there was
Speaker 1: like just a like that flower bed anyway, you don't
Speaker 1: need to know. I think. I think that's a pretty
Speaker 1: pretty big scoop. Weird. The thing is we'd been taking
Speaker 1: grief all people all night, just feeling like we're not.
Speaker 1: No one wants us. Who were We're ruining the this
Speaker 1: stuff for them by being two morons in in street
Speaker 1: clothes when they're when they're trying to have a fashion party.
Speaker 1: So we weed in their plant part American part. I
Speaker 1: respect that. Yeah, yeah, thank I love your Griffin. I
Speaker 1: love your Griffin. I love you Griffin. Yeah, all right,
Speaker 1: great and also really really awesome guy. So I saw
Speaker 1: after ours when I was with Barry Davis in My
Speaker 1: Big all my film years, meeting him was like I
Speaker 1: just couldn't believe. I felt like I was meeting one
Speaker 1: of the most famous people I've ever met in my life.
Speaker 1: He's so great. I love, love, loved him in American
Speaker 1: Wealth in London, I think, yes, he's everything. He's done
Speaker 1: everything he's done and and he gives me hope as
Speaker 1: well as as an actor that you don't have to
Speaker 1: be the big Starry most famous actor. You can do
Speaker 1: really good work and just be in lots of things
Speaker 1: and be and and have some respect. So yeah, and
Speaker 1: he's a great director as well. Absolutely, Phil Nicol. Yes,
Speaker 1: you have been beyond a delight. You've been more joy
Speaker 1: than could ever have been expected of it. However, when
Speaker 1: you were playing Russian Roulette with your friend, and you,
Speaker 1: much like Hamilton, were being a gentleman, and you said,
Speaker 1: let's play Russian Roulette, but you didn't think we were
Speaker 1: really gonna play Russian Roulette, and your friend thought, well,
Speaker 1: there's no bullets in here, are there? And your friend
Speaker 1: said to you, there's no bullets in here, are there?
Speaker 1: And you, being a bloody comedian, went no, of course,
Speaker 1: not even though you knew there were, because you thought
Speaker 1: we're both on the same bege here we both get jokes.
Speaker 1: And he pulled the trigger and shot you in a
Speaker 1: fucking head. Yea. And not only did it when he
Speaker 1: saw that happen, the worst thing is he then started dancing,
Speaker 1: and I was like, whoa man, what he actually got?
Speaker 1: He got the bit of my skull on his heel
Speaker 1: and spun on it. Yeah, I was walking past. I've
Speaker 1: got a car with me. You know what I'm like,
Speaker 1: And I hear this bang, I'm like, what's going on
Speaker 1: in there? Where's Phil? And I walk in there's your
Speaker 1: mate dancing around with your skull, and I'm like, what
Speaker 1: has happened in here? And he goes. He told me
Speaker 1: I said there weren't bullets in there. He said it wasn't.
Speaker 1: No one's gonna convict me in the court of Laura.
Speaker 1: I said, well, if he said there were no bullets in,
Speaker 1: you're absolutely innocent. But I do have to say, dancing
Speaker 1: around with bits of his skull isn't going to help
Speaker 1: your case. I get the bits of you that I can,
Speaker 1: I'll put you in the coffin. There's blood everywhere, there's
Speaker 1: there's bits of scut I'm having to grab stuff off
Speaker 1: your mate. He's still holding onto bits of you anyway.
Speaker 1: Stuff you're all in the coffin. But there's more of
Speaker 1: you than I was expecting. Right, there's so much stuff
Speaker 1: you in. And the thing is, it's full. This coffin
Speaker 1: is rammed full to the brim. There's really only enough
Speaker 1: for it. There's no room in it's there's enough room
Speaker 1: for me to slip one DVD into the side take
Speaker 1: across to the other side. And on the other side,
Speaker 1: it's movie night every night, and one night it's your
Speaker 1: movie night. What film are you showing everyone in Heaven
Speaker 1: when it's your movie night, Phil Nichol, heaven can wait?
Speaker 1: Right movie? Great movie, great movie. Just I think they'd
Speaker 1: get David tickled by it, and you know, late to it.
Speaker 1: Great movie, great movie, and no one is put to heaven.
Speaker 1: That is an excellent artswer. Thank you, Bret. Phil Nichol,
Speaker 1: you are a joy. Is there anything you would like
Speaker 1: to tell people to look out for or to listen
Speaker 1: to or to watch While I'm working on my very
Speaker 1: own podcast called Songs and the Key of Laugh. It's
Speaker 1: on the It's a celebration of comedy songs and musical comedians.
Speaker 1: It's it's out on the first one comes out October sixth.
Speaker 1: So this maybe after that is with Nick helm we're
Speaker 1: interviewing we do. We talk about comedy songs and some
Speaker 1: of to the show with this podcast, what comedy songs
Speaker 1: mean to each other, mean to us, songs that have
Speaker 1: affected us, how they are a bit ubiquitous. And then
Speaker 1: we interview some of the best purveyors in the world.
Speaker 1: So we've got Tim Mention coming up and Jess Robinson
Speaker 1: and I've gotten to hopefully the mighty Boosh and slightly concords,
Speaker 1: but I haven't. I haven't really asked them yet, but
Speaker 1: now they know. Yeah, exactly. That's very cool man, that's cool. Well,
Speaker 1: I look forward to it. Thank you for a wonderful time,
Speaker 1: and I hope thank you very much. Fret a good day.
Speaker 1: Love to you. Enjoy your films. Enjoy your films. Quarterback Princess,
Speaker 1: go watch it, Yes, do it today? Quarterback Princess. What what?
Speaker 1: What a laugh? So that was episode one hundred and
Speaker 1: sixty eight. Head over to patreon dot com forwards the
Speaker 1: last Brett Gold scene for the extra twenty minutes of chat,
Speaker 1: secrets and videos with Phil. Go to Apple Podcast. Give
Speaker 1: us a five star rating. I'm right about the film
Speaker 1: that means the most to you and why it means such.
Speaker 1: Thank you very much. It's a lovely thing to read.
Speaker 1: Helps numbers always makes us all cry. Thank you so
Speaker 1: much to Feel for doing the show, Thank you all
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Speaker 1: the Distraction Pieces Network. Thanks to Buddy Piece for producing it.
Speaker 1: Thanks to a Cars for hosting it, thanks to Adam
Speaker 1: Richardson for the graphics and least a Lading for the photography.
Speaker 1: Come and join me next week where I've got a
Speaker 1: very special guest that she'll not be told here. You'll
Speaker 1: have to tune in. So that is it for now.
Speaker 1: In the meantime, have a lovely week and please be
Speaker 1: excellent to each other across