1 00:00:00,320 --> 00:00:02,000 Speaker 1: Hi, check, Hello everybody. 2 00:00:02,080 --> 00:00:04,960 Speaker 2: Hi Jen hie. 3 00:00:05,960 --> 00:00:10,039 Speaker 1: Yeah, well you can ask me just about anything you 4 00:00:10,080 --> 00:00:12,480 Speaker 1: want relative to the music and the show. 5 00:00:12,800 --> 00:00:13,760 Speaker 2: Uh, certainly. 6 00:00:14,080 --> 00:00:18,520 Speaker 1: Uh, I'm happy to be thank you for inviting you today, 7 00:00:18,680 --> 00:00:22,480 Speaker 1: and and uh and talk about something that really is unfair, 8 00:00:22,840 --> 00:00:25,200 Speaker 1: and it's unfair to the people we care about the most, 9 00:00:25,239 --> 00:00:26,200 Speaker 1: which is our fans. 10 00:00:26,440 --> 00:00:28,440 Speaker 3: Well you I want to hear it. Yeah, tell tell 11 00:00:28,480 --> 00:00:29,520 Speaker 3: me everything I want to hear. 12 00:00:30,080 --> 00:00:34,640 Speaker 1: All right, Well, let me start with with one element 13 00:00:34,680 --> 00:00:35,520 Speaker 1: about the show. 14 00:00:35,560 --> 00:00:38,080 Speaker 2: And and I think you guys. 15 00:00:37,320 --> 00:00:41,519 Speaker 1: Certainly Tory and and and Jenny can corroborate this. Amy 16 00:00:41,720 --> 00:00:46,000 Speaker 1: is that the first five seasons that I was there, 17 00:00:46,159 --> 00:00:49,159 Speaker 1: I did basically five different television shows. 18 00:00:50,280 --> 00:00:53,200 Speaker 2: Wow. The first show was called The Walsh Family Show. 19 00:00:53,720 --> 00:00:58,800 Speaker 1: Yeah. Second show was called High School Hijinks as we 20 00:00:58,960 --> 00:01:01,880 Speaker 1: just threw ball in the era, did twenty nine episodes. 21 00:01:02,160 --> 00:01:06,279 Speaker 1: The third show was called Senior Year Yeah. The fourth 22 00:01:06,319 --> 00:01:12,479 Speaker 1: show was College Yeah. And the fifth show was Goodbye Brenda, 23 00:01:12,600 --> 00:01:13,880 Speaker 1: Hello Tiffany. 24 00:01:14,520 --> 00:01:14,959 Speaker 4: Wow. 25 00:01:15,040 --> 00:01:19,160 Speaker 1: There were five completely different television shows with the same 26 00:01:19,280 --> 00:01:27,600 Speaker 1: characters but with different vibes, yeah, goals, different budgets. And 27 00:01:27,600 --> 00:01:31,440 Speaker 1: that's where we should start. On season one and two, 28 00:01:34,319 --> 00:01:38,679 Speaker 1: we had the lowest license fee in network television being 29 00:01:40,400 --> 00:01:44,039 Speaker 1: working for the Fox Broadcasting Company, which really at that 30 00:01:44,080 --> 00:01:47,520 Speaker 1: point was a broadcasting service, not in network. Yeah, as 31 00:01:47,560 --> 00:01:52,080 Speaker 1: I used to tease Peter Chernan a lot, anytime we 32 00:01:52,120 --> 00:01:54,960 Speaker 1: asked you to pay for something, you became a broadcast service, 33 00:01:55,320 --> 00:01:59,280 Speaker 1: and anytime something controversial you were a network. You know, 34 00:02:00,360 --> 00:02:04,600 Speaker 1: you know. But we did not have enough money, and 35 00:02:04,640 --> 00:02:07,360 Speaker 1: you guys can remember, you know, some of the scenes 36 00:02:07,400 --> 00:02:10,560 Speaker 1: that we had. We had a lot of montages, and 37 00:02:10,600 --> 00:02:12,600 Speaker 1: we had long scenes. 38 00:02:12,480 --> 00:02:14,040 Speaker 2: With very few setups. 39 00:02:14,600 --> 00:02:18,640 Speaker 1: Unlike the movies that you've been in your TV that 40 00:02:18,680 --> 00:02:21,360 Speaker 1: had much more production value. We didn't have that. 41 00:02:21,880 --> 00:02:23,399 Speaker 3: So I had no idea. 42 00:02:23,600 --> 00:02:26,239 Speaker 5: We thought you guys just liked writing those putting those 43 00:02:26,280 --> 00:02:29,440 Speaker 5: in that it was a choice. 44 00:02:29,680 --> 00:02:32,600 Speaker 1: Your father would roll his eyes every time I would 45 00:02:32,639 --> 00:02:35,920 Speaker 1: say to him, Aaron form follows function, Man, if we 46 00:02:35,919 --> 00:02:37,880 Speaker 1: don't have any money, we got to do it this way, 47 00:02:38,040 --> 00:02:40,480 Speaker 1: and he would Yes, Amy. 48 00:02:40,639 --> 00:02:43,760 Speaker 3: Here's my question just so people can understand. So, like, 49 00:02:44,160 --> 00:02:48,679 Speaker 3: especially since we were talking about Aaron, so compared to Dynasty, 50 00:02:50,000 --> 00:02:54,840 Speaker 3: Love Boat, Fantasy Island was nine two one zero, like 51 00:02:54,840 --> 00:02:59,919 Speaker 3: like Peanuts, compared to those shows. 52 00:02:59,520 --> 00:03:01,639 Speaker 2: Half well from a budget. 53 00:03:02,120 --> 00:03:04,840 Speaker 1: Listen, we you know, for of all, I want to 54 00:03:05,760 --> 00:03:09,799 Speaker 1: acknowledge to your fans that listen to your podcast week 55 00:03:09,840 --> 00:03:12,560 Speaker 1: and week, this one's a little different than most of 56 00:03:12,600 --> 00:03:17,120 Speaker 1: them because the business it becomes dominant, and especially when 57 00:03:17,120 --> 00:03:21,320 Speaker 1: you're talking about music, but his music is not free. 58 00:03:21,520 --> 00:03:25,040 Speaker 1: But yes, I mean, you know they used to call 59 00:03:25,080 --> 00:03:28,119 Speaker 1: and I'm sure you mentioned on this show before ABC 60 00:03:28,400 --> 00:03:31,720 Speaker 1: stood for Aaron's broadcasting company in the years that I 61 00:03:31,760 --> 00:03:35,120 Speaker 1: started in the business in nineteen seventy seven, Yeah, and 62 00:03:35,600 --> 00:03:37,760 Speaker 1: moved it through to two thousand and seven. That was 63 00:03:37,840 --> 00:03:42,160 Speaker 1: my run of television. But you know, the. 64 00:03:42,160 --> 00:03:44,559 Speaker 2: Network business was a very flush. 65 00:03:44,320 --> 00:03:49,560 Speaker 1: Business, and Aaron, you know, was a very cost oriented producer. 66 00:03:49,640 --> 00:03:51,760 Speaker 2: He didn't like to waste. 67 00:03:51,480 --> 00:03:54,920 Speaker 1: Money, but at the same time, when he wanted to 68 00:03:54,960 --> 00:03:57,840 Speaker 1: spend it, there was really no holding him back on that. 69 00:04:00,120 --> 00:04:00,520 Speaker 4: Wow. 70 00:04:00,920 --> 00:04:06,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, someone, now. 71 00:04:06,400 --> 00:04:08,520 Speaker 3: This is super interesting. Okay, keep going. So you're you're 72 00:04:08,520 --> 00:04:10,000 Speaker 3: talking about so, you know. 73 00:04:10,120 --> 00:04:16,000 Speaker 1: Seas So the idea being that how would we have 74 00:04:16,279 --> 00:04:20,480 Speaker 1: a production that would appeal to our core audience, which 75 00:04:20,560 --> 00:04:23,560 Speaker 1: was teenagers, which was kind of a brand new thing. 76 00:04:24,160 --> 00:04:27,599 Speaker 1: I mean, Fox was experimenting with a lot of different things, 77 00:04:27,640 --> 00:04:29,680 Speaker 1: and if you look back to what Fox had its 78 00:04:29,720 --> 00:04:30,400 Speaker 1: first season. 79 00:04:30,839 --> 00:04:35,719 Speaker 2: It wasn't teenage kind of stuff. It was really some 80 00:04:35,920 --> 00:04:36,800 Speaker 2: high end talent. 81 00:04:36,920 --> 00:04:40,760 Speaker 1: George C. Scott, the famous actor. It was sitcom. James 82 00:04:40,800 --> 00:04:43,800 Speaker 1: Brooks was there doing Tracy Omen which led to The Simpsons. 83 00:04:43,960 --> 00:04:46,440 Speaker 3: Was twenty one Jump Street toward the beginning and twenty 84 00:04:46,480 --> 00:04:47,239 Speaker 3: one Jump Street. 85 00:04:47,400 --> 00:04:48,480 Speaker 2: Could you bring that up? 86 00:04:48,520 --> 00:04:51,279 Speaker 1: Because I was going to bring that one up because 87 00:04:51,520 --> 00:04:54,960 Speaker 1: twenty one Jump Street had a lot of pop music, 88 00:04:55,560 --> 00:04:58,200 Speaker 1: and that so much pop music that they actually put 89 00:04:58,240 --> 00:05:02,479 Speaker 1: the credits of what songs they were using on during 90 00:05:02,520 --> 00:05:03,279 Speaker 1: the end credits. 91 00:05:03,360 --> 00:05:05,159 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, that's sort of familiar to me. 92 00:05:05,839 --> 00:05:08,360 Speaker 5: Wait, can I ask that question? Like back back then, 93 00:05:08,480 --> 00:05:11,520 Speaker 5: what were budgets like, what was an appropriate budget for 94 00:05:11,600 --> 00:05:13,240 Speaker 5: a million dollar the shohow? 95 00:05:13,320 --> 00:05:19,360 Speaker 2: Yeah for whom? No, The budget that we proposed to make. 96 00:05:20,120 --> 00:05:24,760 Speaker 1: For the show was a was just over a million 97 00:05:24,839 --> 00:05:31,320 Speaker 1: dollars and that was rejected by uh Duke he By, 98 00:05:31,400 --> 00:05:33,320 Speaker 1: by the you know, the person who really would talk 99 00:05:33,320 --> 00:05:37,160 Speaker 1: about the mudget and that so our original license fee 100 00:05:37,680 --> 00:05:45,599 Speaker 1: from Fox was about seven hundred thousand dollars and and. 101 00:05:45,680 --> 00:05:47,640 Speaker 5: It was Ali mcbeil on then. 102 00:05:48,120 --> 00:05:53,160 Speaker 1: Later break Break My Heart. There were two great pilots 103 00:05:53,200 --> 00:05:56,280 Speaker 1: one year for Fox. One was written and produced by 104 00:05:56,320 --> 00:05:59,080 Speaker 1: David Kelly called Ally mcbeil and the other was written 105 00:05:59,080 --> 00:06:02,839 Speaker 1: produced by me called Soulmates and Alan McBeal one and Salmates. 106 00:06:03,040 --> 00:06:06,159 Speaker 1: He ever, did not get its ten year run. But anyway, 107 00:06:06,279 --> 00:06:07,600 Speaker 1: that's water under the bridge. 108 00:06:07,880 --> 00:06:10,280 Speaker 3: Wait, since we're going there. This is very interesting. So 109 00:06:10,600 --> 00:06:15,119 Speaker 3: if the network pays essentially like Spelling Productions, seven hundred 110 00:06:15,120 --> 00:06:17,680 Speaker 3: thousand dollars to make this show, do you have to 111 00:06:17,800 --> 00:06:20,400 Speaker 3: make it for five hundred thousand to have profit? 112 00:06:21,920 --> 00:06:25,560 Speaker 1: Oh? Well, the other amount that the Spelling company put 113 00:06:25,600 --> 00:06:27,720 Speaker 1: in I even think it was lower. I think it 114 00:06:27,760 --> 00:06:30,400 Speaker 1: was like Court, closer to five hundred thousand dollars. But 115 00:06:30,520 --> 00:06:33,320 Speaker 1: they were smart enough company and had a big enough 116 00:06:33,760 --> 00:06:37,240 Speaker 1: foreign sales that they added that money into it, and 117 00:06:37,279 --> 00:06:39,799 Speaker 1: that was about one hundred and fifty more. But we 118 00:06:39,800 --> 00:06:42,719 Speaker 1: were one hundred to one hundred and fifty to two 119 00:06:42,800 --> 00:06:47,960 Speaker 1: hundred thousand dollars less than any other television series. The 120 00:06:48,040 --> 00:06:51,000 Speaker 1: other thing that you have to remember from seasons one 121 00:06:51,040 --> 00:06:54,640 Speaker 1: and two, which I know Tory and Jenny most likely remember, 122 00:06:54,920 --> 00:06:56,880 Speaker 1: is that our crew was not a union crew. 123 00:06:56,920 --> 00:06:58,279 Speaker 2: It was a non union crew. 124 00:06:59,000 --> 00:07:04,120 Speaker 1: And that was a real gamble both on Fox Broadcasting 125 00:07:04,160 --> 00:07:09,440 Speaker 1: Company and Spelling being a willing participant in that to 126 00:07:09,480 --> 00:07:14,960 Speaker 1: go and try to effectively make a low budget television 127 00:07:15,200 --> 00:07:20,160 Speaker 1: and an effect break the Alliance for Television Studio Engineers 128 00:07:20,200 --> 00:07:21,920 Speaker 1: Flatsy the below the line. 129 00:07:22,480 --> 00:07:25,240 Speaker 2: That was the plan, and that is. 130 00:07:25,320 --> 00:07:28,520 Speaker 1: Really the only reason that I'm talking to you both 131 00:07:28,600 --> 00:07:30,280 Speaker 1: today so many years later. 132 00:07:30,800 --> 00:07:35,600 Speaker 2: Because Aaron could not and Duke, they were the Spelling production. 133 00:07:35,720 --> 00:07:40,200 Speaker 2: They had great relationships with unions, they did not put 134 00:07:40,240 --> 00:07:42,360 Speaker 2: their name on. They could not put their name on 135 00:07:42,400 --> 00:07:46,640 Speaker 2: the show. So instead they found a company to work 136 00:07:46,680 --> 00:07:51,240 Speaker 2: with propaganda of course, the CIA Company, and they worked 137 00:07:51,240 --> 00:07:54,880 Speaker 2: together and I and since Aaron couldn't put his name on, 138 00:07:55,120 --> 00:07:59,600 Speaker 2: he had to find someone who would here, and fortunately 139 00:07:59,640 --> 00:08:00,320 Speaker 2: he high me. 140 00:08:00,600 --> 00:08:03,520 Speaker 1: Why he hired me, by the way, is because of 141 00:08:03,640 --> 00:08:05,760 Speaker 1: I did a lot of movies for television. That's how 142 00:08:05,800 --> 00:08:08,240 Speaker 1: I really got by it. There were a new series 143 00:08:08,480 --> 00:08:12,840 Speaker 1: saying Elsewhere in Northern Exposure before I came to nine 144 00:08:12,880 --> 00:08:15,080 Speaker 1: o two and oh. But pretty much I wrote movies 145 00:08:15,080 --> 00:08:18,120 Speaker 1: for television. I wrote movies about women, I wrote movies 146 00:08:18,160 --> 00:08:24,200 Speaker 1: about kids. And you know, Tory, your dad. He's a 147 00:08:24,200 --> 00:08:28,200 Speaker 1: complex human being, but boy did he could he scrutinize 148 00:08:29,040 --> 00:08:32,200 Speaker 1: a problem and figure out where he would have to land. 149 00:08:32,800 --> 00:08:35,199 Speaker 1: You look, you know everybody. You go back to season 150 00:08:35,240 --> 00:08:37,320 Speaker 1: one and the older fans who remember that there was 151 00:08:37,600 --> 00:08:40,520 Speaker 1: Ferris Bueller's Day Off and French Prince of bel Air 152 00:08:40,559 --> 00:08:43,920 Speaker 1: and Parker Lewis Can't lose on the Fox Broadcasting Company, 153 00:08:44,000 --> 00:08:47,360 Speaker 1: which is a show that they loved as opposed to us. 154 00:08:47,400 --> 00:08:50,440 Speaker 1: They had to get used to and and uh and 155 00:08:50,480 --> 00:08:53,760 Speaker 1: there were others as were whole high from Disney, and 156 00:08:53,920 --> 00:08:58,400 Speaker 1: Aaron looked at that lineup and went, hey, I cannot compete. 157 00:08:58,400 --> 00:09:01,600 Speaker 1: They all want me to be MTV. I am not MTV. 158 00:09:01,720 --> 00:09:03,480 Speaker 1: I don't know how to be MTV. I know how 159 00:09:03,480 --> 00:09:06,760 Speaker 1: to be good television. And he had that in his 160 00:09:06,840 --> 00:09:09,880 Speaker 1: background with a show from the sixties called Mod Squad, 161 00:09:10,280 --> 00:09:12,520 Speaker 1: which was one of the few things I watched when 162 00:09:12,559 --> 00:09:16,120 Speaker 1: I was a teenager. It was Mod Squad, the Smothers 163 00:09:16,160 --> 00:09:18,960 Speaker 1: Brothers in Mission Impossible. Those were my show. 164 00:09:19,000 --> 00:09:22,600 Speaker 3: When you say Aaron's name wasn't on the show, Aaron's 165 00:09:22,640 --> 00:09:23,920 Speaker 3: name wasn't on the show. 166 00:09:24,280 --> 00:09:26,600 Speaker 1: For the first five seasons. Not as an executive producer. 167 00:09:26,720 --> 00:09:29,920 Speaker 1: I was the sole executive producer for two seasons. In 168 00:09:30,000 --> 00:09:33,480 Speaker 1: their season, he made a deal with Darren Starr to 169 00:09:33,520 --> 00:09:36,160 Speaker 1: get his name as an executive producer as well, but 170 00:09:36,360 --> 00:09:41,480 Speaker 1: it was front credits, not end credits. And I stayed 171 00:09:41,480 --> 00:09:43,520 Speaker 1: on the show for the two years of college. I 172 00:09:43,559 --> 00:09:46,520 Speaker 1: did one hundred and forty three hours of television in 173 00:09:47,440 --> 00:09:50,600 Speaker 1: five seasons. That's cramming six and a half years of 174 00:09:50,600 --> 00:09:54,120 Speaker 1: television into five seasons. Boy with the writers guild like 175 00:09:54,240 --> 00:09:56,480 Speaker 1: orders like that right now? Huh? 176 00:09:56,520 --> 00:09:59,600 Speaker 2: But we you know it was a very hard working. 177 00:09:59,280 --> 00:10:06,280 Speaker 1: Show, and and I knew about two thirds of the way, 178 00:10:06,480 --> 00:10:10,280 Speaker 1: half of the way through season five that and I 179 00:10:10,280 --> 00:10:12,880 Speaker 1: would tell this to Karen. You know this show is 180 00:10:12,920 --> 00:10:15,400 Speaker 1: really trying to kill me. Karen, I got even you 181 00:10:15,520 --> 00:10:17,559 Speaker 1: can't do this anymore. This is the best thing that's 182 00:10:17,600 --> 00:10:21,360 Speaker 1: happened to us creatively and financially. But I can't do it. 183 00:10:21,400 --> 00:10:23,720 Speaker 1: I can feel that. And I and just too hard work, 184 00:10:24,040 --> 00:10:27,480 Speaker 1: too small a staff, too many episodes. I leave the 185 00:10:27,520 --> 00:10:29,920 Speaker 1: show in May, and at forty three years old, I 186 00:10:29,960 --> 00:10:32,120 Speaker 1: have a heart attack in the first week of July. 187 00:10:32,559 --> 00:10:35,200 Speaker 3: Tory and Jenny, do you feel that way? I mean, 188 00:10:35,240 --> 00:10:37,120 Speaker 3: I know you love this show, right, but do you 189 00:10:37,120 --> 00:10:40,280 Speaker 3: feel like it worked you really hard? 190 00:10:40,400 --> 00:10:42,240 Speaker 1: Oh? 191 00:10:42,600 --> 00:10:45,760 Speaker 4: Yes, yes we did. We're both nodding our heads. Yes, 192 00:10:45,880 --> 00:10:48,640 Speaker 4: but we had nothing. It was gruel and we we 193 00:10:48,920 --> 00:10:50,440 Speaker 4: We've got to go home. At the end of the night, 194 00:10:50,480 --> 00:10:53,920 Speaker 4: you guys had to write. 195 00:10:53,360 --> 00:10:55,920 Speaker 5: Are you're talking about check? Like, Jen, do you remember 196 00:10:56,000 --> 00:10:58,520 Speaker 5: this about it being non union the first two seasons. 197 00:10:58,640 --> 00:11:01,200 Speaker 4: I remember the non union now he's bringing it up definitely, 198 00:11:01,240 --> 00:11:04,520 Speaker 4: because that was a big hubbub around when the show 199 00:11:04,520 --> 00:11:05,560 Speaker 4: decided to go union. 200 00:11:05,840 --> 00:11:08,840 Speaker 5: I can't remember my part. I remember the propaganda. I'm like, oh, 201 00:11:08,920 --> 00:11:10,679 Speaker 5: is that where that they came in? 202 00:11:12,200 --> 00:11:14,480 Speaker 2: Yes, And it was a very big thing. You guys. 203 00:11:14,679 --> 00:11:16,839 Speaker 1: You guys were waiting in the wings when they were 204 00:11:16,880 --> 00:11:23,040 Speaker 1: having their meeting and to vote, and you know, they 205 00:11:23,040 --> 00:11:26,160 Speaker 1: were having the conversation among themselves and the only people 206 00:11:26,200 --> 00:11:29,440 Speaker 1: in the room who weren't union were myself and and 207 00:11:29,480 --> 00:11:32,840 Speaker 1: Paul Wagner, who had just come on as the line 208 00:11:32,880 --> 00:11:42,080 Speaker 1: producer at that point, and we uh and you know uh, 209 00:11:42,120 --> 00:11:47,240 Speaker 1: and Shannon had actually taken the microphone and urged everybody 210 00:11:47,240 --> 00:11:49,600 Speaker 1: to go on strike, that they deserved more money that 211 00:11:49,679 --> 00:11:52,160 Speaker 1: they did in these hours were too long. But blah blah, 212 00:11:52,160 --> 00:11:54,880 Speaker 1: blah blah. And I got on the night and said, well, 213 00:11:55,000 --> 00:11:58,520 Speaker 1: you know, just realize that we are a terribly low 214 00:11:58,600 --> 00:12:01,319 Speaker 1: rated show. We've only had two three episodes airing by 215 00:12:01,320 --> 00:12:03,439 Speaker 1: that point, even though they were really good. 216 00:12:03,520 --> 00:12:06,400 Speaker 2: Hello, but we were low aired, so what did it matter? 217 00:12:07,120 --> 00:12:11,680 Speaker 1: And I said, if you vote to strike, I can't 218 00:12:11,720 --> 00:12:13,559 Speaker 1: guarantee you that we'll be working tomorrow. 219 00:12:14,800 --> 00:12:18,199 Speaker 2: And we won by one vote. Well, if one vote 220 00:12:18,200 --> 00:12:19,360 Speaker 2: did they come back to work. 221 00:12:19,880 --> 00:12:23,520 Speaker 1: You cut to season two and they decided to try 222 00:12:23,559 --> 00:12:26,800 Speaker 1: to go on strike again and go on it become 223 00:12:26,800 --> 00:12:32,440 Speaker 1: a union television show. And I remember Paul Wagner, my 224 00:12:32,559 --> 00:12:35,120 Speaker 1: dear friend and really my production partner and all of this, 225 00:12:35,960 --> 00:12:39,319 Speaker 1: saying to them, look, if you go union, that means 226 00:12:39,360 --> 00:12:42,040 Speaker 1: that we can hire anybody we want for any job. 227 00:12:42,600 --> 00:12:43,839 Speaker 2: We're not struck to that. 228 00:12:44,360 --> 00:12:48,600 Speaker 1: And they passed it by one. It passed by one, 229 00:12:49,360 --> 00:12:52,880 Speaker 1: and the next year that came back. Your friend, You 230 00:12:52,920 --> 00:12:55,120 Speaker 1: guys friends, remember that he was such a nice guy. 231 00:12:55,160 --> 00:12:59,320 Speaker 1: And I know is Eric Lopez Eric Lopezeah the golfer 232 00:12:59,440 --> 00:13:03,240 Speaker 1: and Jason he was if you remember from seasons two 233 00:13:03,280 --> 00:13:06,040 Speaker 1: to three, he was the only one who was brought back, 234 00:13:07,000 --> 00:13:09,400 Speaker 1: and I think it was because he was Jason's golf partner. 235 00:13:09,440 --> 00:13:13,760 Speaker 3: Tell you the truth, Okay. 236 00:13:13,040 --> 00:13:14,120 Speaker 2: He hung out with you guys. 237 00:13:14,240 --> 00:13:17,319 Speaker 3: Yeah, I have another question for you, Chuck, so well, 238 00:13:17,360 --> 00:13:21,360 Speaker 3: okay two actually too. So as shows go, and we're 239 00:13:21,360 --> 00:13:25,840 Speaker 3: talking season one ish before it blew up that summer, right, Sure, 240 00:13:25,880 --> 00:13:30,840 Speaker 3: were they Tory Jenny, the whole cast paid significantly lower 241 00:13:31,200 --> 00:13:35,400 Speaker 3: than say, twenty one Jump Street when they started, like, oh. 242 00:13:35,280 --> 00:13:36,360 Speaker 2: I'm sorry, I don't know that. 243 00:13:36,480 --> 00:13:39,560 Speaker 1: If they were paid being paid, they were being paid 244 00:13:39,720 --> 00:13:42,560 Speaker 1: lower than had the show been on ABC. 245 00:13:42,880 --> 00:13:45,360 Speaker 2: Okay, okay, yes, I can't. 246 00:13:45,200 --> 00:13:48,319 Speaker 1: Judge from the other, but I didn't know bringing since 247 00:13:48,360 --> 00:13:50,280 Speaker 1: you brought up Judge Street, and since I know the 248 00:13:50,320 --> 00:13:55,320 Speaker 1: focus on this is music that we that we knew 249 00:13:55,440 --> 00:13:57,680 Speaker 1: that if we that if we did some music and 250 00:13:57,720 --> 00:14:01,800 Speaker 1: we had the propaganda people, and let's understand something about propaganda. 251 00:14:01,960 --> 00:14:05,080 Speaker 1: They were the hippus people in town. They were doing 252 00:14:05,120 --> 00:14:08,720 Speaker 1: all the music videos for for Madonna. They had the 253 00:14:08,760 --> 00:14:14,120 Speaker 1: great director David Fincher under contract, they had Michael Bay 254 00:14:14,360 --> 00:14:18,240 Speaker 1: under contract. They were just they were and they had 255 00:14:18,360 --> 00:14:21,440 Speaker 1: and they were doing twin Peaks the production right, right, 256 00:14:21,880 --> 00:14:22,800 Speaker 1: so come on. 257 00:14:22,920 --> 00:14:24,800 Speaker 2: They were They were really something else. 258 00:14:25,240 --> 00:14:28,560 Speaker 1: And they had brought us some people to say, these 259 00:14:28,600 --> 00:14:31,040 Speaker 1: people know what the hip songs are and you can 260 00:14:31,160 --> 00:14:41,840 Speaker 1: license them and they'll be your your your company. 261 00:14:46,720 --> 00:14:49,080 Speaker 3: Before you start talking about this sixties episode that we 262 00:14:49,080 --> 00:14:51,080 Speaker 3: really want to talk about. Of the of you know, 263 00:14:51,080 --> 00:14:54,480 Speaker 3: how you describe like your your your time on the show, 264 00:14:55,280 --> 00:14:58,280 Speaker 3: how it was five different seasons. Do you have a 265 00:14:58,360 --> 00:15:03,000 Speaker 3: favorite of those? Of the different incarnations the Walsh family, 266 00:15:03,120 --> 00:15:07,160 Speaker 3: the high school years, senior year college, the Tiffany years, 267 00:15:07,600 --> 00:15:11,360 Speaker 3: Do you have a favorite? 268 00:15:11,600 --> 00:15:11,880 Speaker 1: Yeah? 269 00:15:11,920 --> 00:15:14,720 Speaker 2: Well, yeah, there was you know, uh, sure I do. 270 00:15:15,080 --> 00:15:17,240 Speaker 1: But I love that all my children. I love them all, 271 00:15:17,560 --> 00:15:19,880 Speaker 1: and I love things that you all did in them. 272 00:15:20,240 --> 00:15:22,920 Speaker 1: You know, it's it's you know, some episodes worked better 273 00:15:22,960 --> 00:15:26,000 Speaker 1: than others in this. But I again go back to this. 274 00:15:26,120 --> 00:15:29,720 Speaker 1: I was hired to do basically bring a movie of 275 00:15:29,760 --> 00:15:38,520 Speaker 1: the week sensibility exploring teen issues. Yeah and so, and 276 00:15:38,560 --> 00:15:42,160 Speaker 1: we were in for a big surprise when we turned 277 00:15:42,160 --> 00:15:44,640 Speaker 1: in when Darren Starr and I and our staff turned 278 00:15:44,680 --> 00:15:48,760 Speaker 1: in our first proposal for the first six episodes, and 279 00:15:48,840 --> 00:15:53,760 Speaker 1: they were all rejected, Wow, single one of them rejected 280 00:15:54,120 --> 00:15:57,640 Speaker 1: because they did not want a serialized television show. 281 00:15:57,960 --> 00:16:02,040 Speaker 2: They wanted individual episodees that each had a beginning, middle, 282 00:16:02,080 --> 00:16:05,240 Speaker 2: and end, which at that point was because it was 283 00:16:05,280 --> 00:16:10,600 Speaker 2: better for syndication, right, you know, the soaps and and 284 00:16:10,680 --> 00:16:13,040 Speaker 2: I'm sure this came from, you know, the experience that 285 00:16:13,240 --> 00:16:16,520 Speaker 2: your dad had with Dynasty and the others just didn't 286 00:16:16,560 --> 00:16:19,120 Speaker 2: play as well when it wasn't first run. And by 287 00:16:19,160 --> 00:16:21,640 Speaker 2: the way, that was what nine o two and zero 288 00:16:21,680 --> 00:16:24,000 Speaker 2: didn't play as well when it wasn't first run. So 289 00:16:24,120 --> 00:16:27,440 Speaker 2: because of that, Barry Diller said, let's bring them back 290 00:16:27,440 --> 00:16:28,080 Speaker 2: in the summer. 291 00:16:28,520 --> 00:16:31,080 Speaker 1: Let's do twenty eight episodes. Let's just do more and 292 00:16:31,120 --> 00:16:35,160 Speaker 1: more because the kids want to watch new material. They 293 00:16:35,200 --> 00:16:40,000 Speaker 1: didn't want to watch repeats, and so that was you. 294 00:16:39,920 --> 00:16:44,200 Speaker 3: Know, he still avoided my question there where he said 295 00:16:44,560 --> 00:16:48,680 Speaker 3: he can't pick, He can't pick, do you because I 296 00:16:48,720 --> 00:16:52,080 Speaker 3: would say, right now with the episodes were in, because 297 00:16:52,120 --> 00:16:56,400 Speaker 3: we're we just talked about divas. I mean this it 298 00:16:56,560 --> 00:17:00,640 Speaker 3: is thriving right now. Like I love season five, I 299 00:17:00,880 --> 00:17:03,400 Speaker 3: love it so yeah. So to me, this is like 300 00:17:03,640 --> 00:17:06,200 Speaker 3: season one was not my favorite, and it then it's 301 00:17:06,200 --> 00:17:08,919 Speaker 3: just gotten better and better. Do you did you feel 302 00:17:08,920 --> 00:17:11,840 Speaker 3: like it was because everyone was firing in all cylinders. 303 00:17:11,880 --> 00:17:15,760 Speaker 3: You guys just finally knew exactly what the show was like. 304 00:17:16,320 --> 00:17:17,400 Speaker 3: Can you pick. 305 00:17:18,600 --> 00:17:21,480 Speaker 1: My favorite season? The season three senior year by far? 306 00:17:21,840 --> 00:17:23,720 Speaker 2: Okay, this is a high school. 307 00:17:23,440 --> 00:17:27,800 Speaker 1: Series and that's how I perceive it, and I'm really 308 00:17:27,800 --> 00:17:30,520 Speaker 1: glad that you liked season stings. 309 00:17:30,520 --> 00:17:34,160 Speaker 2: In season four, the fact is is that. 310 00:17:35,680 --> 00:17:41,680 Speaker 1: We were blown away by the divas, the the three 311 00:17:42,040 --> 00:17:46,399 Speaker 1: the three episode arc of it. It was and and 312 00:17:46,600 --> 00:17:49,119 Speaker 1: you know, I'm sitting here talking and because I consider 313 00:17:49,200 --> 00:17:51,280 Speaker 1: Jenny a friend, I can say, okay, here we do 314 00:17:51,440 --> 00:17:53,959 Speaker 1: we put Jenny now that he says, look what you 315 00:17:54,000 --> 00:17:57,000 Speaker 1: did to Kelly Taylor, especially after I left. 316 00:17:57,000 --> 00:18:01,480 Speaker 2: They made her go through this. 317 00:18:01,040 --> 00:18:01,719 Speaker 3: He left me. 318 00:18:02,359 --> 00:18:03,080 Speaker 5: They did, I did. 319 00:18:03,200 --> 00:18:05,080 Speaker 2: They did not Charlie. Charlie didn't do that. 320 00:18:05,160 --> 00:18:08,280 Speaker 1: They did. But but the fact of the matter is 321 00:18:08,280 --> 00:18:11,600 Speaker 1: is that when we wrote, uh, you know, okay, Kelly 322 00:18:11,640 --> 00:18:14,360 Speaker 1: Taylor is going to go on and be the lead of. 323 00:18:16,040 --> 00:18:19,240 Speaker 2: A Tennessee Williams play, I didn't know if you could 324 00:18:19,320 --> 00:18:19,720 Speaker 2: do that. 325 00:18:19,800 --> 00:18:23,160 Speaker 1: Jenny. I didn't come You didn't come to my mouth, Jenny, 326 00:18:23,320 --> 00:18:25,679 Speaker 1: would you like to do Tennessee Waives? I didn't function 327 00:18:25,720 --> 00:18:28,440 Speaker 1: that way because we're gonna do it. Well, it'll work, 328 00:18:28,480 --> 00:18:31,920 Speaker 1: we'll cut around. But the the great performances by you, 329 00:18:32,160 --> 00:18:34,800 Speaker 1: Shannon and Tracy Middendorf, I agree, I mean. 330 00:18:34,680 --> 00:18:35,960 Speaker 2: They were they were some of the things. 331 00:18:36,000 --> 00:18:39,800 Speaker 1: And by the way, when I and people who know 332 00:18:40,040 --> 00:18:43,280 Speaker 1: that the podcast that I do with Pete we often 333 00:18:43,359 --> 00:18:44,240 Speaker 1: talk about that. 334 00:18:44,760 --> 00:18:50,639 Speaker 2: We were just astounded that h Shannon found her in 335 00:18:50,760 --> 00:18:55,440 Speaker 2: season four, found her Sea legs. Yes, and she. 336 00:18:55,600 --> 00:18:59,800 Speaker 1: Found it starting with the Time has Come Today and 337 00:18:59,840 --> 00:19:05,240 Speaker 1: then through Divas and then through the end she she reconnected. 338 00:19:04,680 --> 00:19:07,359 Speaker 2: With the character that she had. 339 00:19:09,640 --> 00:19:12,640 Speaker 1: It was so ambivalent about, Yeah, you know, how can 340 00:19:12,680 --> 00:19:14,520 Speaker 1: you play the part Brenda when you know that there's 341 00:19:14,520 --> 00:19:16,480 Speaker 1: a bunch of people out there for whatever reason saying 342 00:19:16,520 --> 00:19:18,119 Speaker 1: I hate Brenda and you're Brenda? 343 00:19:18,400 --> 00:19:21,280 Speaker 3: Is that I hate Kelly? And Jenny played it. 344 00:19:21,320 --> 00:19:24,200 Speaker 1: No, not like, not like, not like. It wasn't organized 345 00:19:24,240 --> 00:19:26,960 Speaker 1: in the same way. That was a that was a thing, 346 00:19:27,000 --> 00:19:30,960 Speaker 1: and it was double and we had this argument. I 347 00:19:30,960 --> 00:19:35,560 Speaker 1: think Tory certainly remember this, Jenny, you might but A 348 00:19:35,640 --> 00:19:41,200 Speaker 1: Current Affair was on every night and at seven o'clock 349 00:19:41,640 --> 00:19:43,560 Speaker 1: we come on at eight other shows that come on 350 00:19:43,600 --> 00:19:47,640 Speaker 1: in eight hosted by Bill Riley, and Bill Riley went 351 00:19:47,720 --> 00:19:51,199 Speaker 1: after Shannon every week every week whatever he could he 352 00:19:51,240 --> 00:19:53,840 Speaker 1: would And it was the only time I ever called 353 00:19:53,840 --> 00:19:56,840 Speaker 1: the President and said, back off, what are you doing? 354 00:19:57,320 --> 00:19:58,160 Speaker 2: You have this guy? 355 00:19:58,240 --> 00:20:00,480 Speaker 1: And then and then the other one was great about 356 00:20:00,480 --> 00:20:02,800 Speaker 1: season one. You know season one that one of the 357 00:20:02,800 --> 00:20:05,600 Speaker 1: reasons Amy that you liked season four so much more 358 00:20:05,680 --> 00:20:09,239 Speaker 1: than number one one. I had to battle, I had 359 00:20:09,240 --> 00:20:12,080 Speaker 1: to have conversations with censors. I had We were talking 360 00:20:12,080 --> 00:20:14,959 Speaker 1: about high school kids, and that was what, you know, 361 00:20:15,040 --> 00:20:17,320 Speaker 1: the focus was, so what they would say, what they 362 00:20:17,320 --> 00:20:21,679 Speaker 1: would do was was it was really was you know, 363 00:20:21,760 --> 00:20:26,760 Speaker 1: really part of the uh gestalt of it. But but I, 364 00:20:26,920 --> 00:20:31,160 Speaker 1: you know, I loved the senior year because I thought 365 00:20:31,200 --> 00:20:36,399 Speaker 1: that that really had the it was Season two was 366 00:20:36,400 --> 00:20:39,640 Speaker 1: the hardest season for me of the five because it 367 00:20:39,680 --> 00:20:43,480 Speaker 1: wasn't in real time. You know, it's you know, when 368 00:20:43,480 --> 00:20:46,479 Speaker 1: you're in high school, you know, you're most kids are 369 00:20:46,520 --> 00:20:49,280 Speaker 1: talking about when they get to you, what was my 370 00:20:49,480 --> 00:20:52,239 Speaker 1: SAT score? What college are going to? Where am I? This? 371 00:20:52,359 --> 00:20:55,600 Speaker 1: And this? And and that was uh and we started 372 00:20:55,600 --> 00:20:59,639 Speaker 1: that out and and I and I personally, just because 373 00:20:59,640 --> 00:21:03,399 Speaker 1: of my nature of writing movies for television, I particularly 374 00:21:03,680 --> 00:21:07,919 Speaker 1: liked episodes that were not serialized movies having an end. 375 00:21:07,920 --> 00:21:11,760 Speaker 3: So so interesting. I mean, I love the serial. I 376 00:21:11,760 --> 00:21:14,280 Speaker 3: could talk to you all day because this is so fascinating. 377 00:21:14,480 --> 00:21:16,120 Speaker 3: I love the serial aspect of the show. 378 00:21:16,200 --> 00:21:21,240 Speaker 2: Well, let you talk to iHeartRadio. Let's just talk about. 379 00:21:20,080 --> 00:21:24,720 Speaker 3: But I Jenny and Ian and I had a fascinating 380 00:21:24,800 --> 00:21:28,639 Speaker 3: conversation in the last week or whatever about that episode 381 00:21:28,720 --> 00:21:33,800 Speaker 3: when he outs Mike Ryan and just how even though 382 00:21:33,840 --> 00:21:38,560 Speaker 3: it's dated a little bit, it still feels so current 383 00:21:38,600 --> 00:21:42,720 Speaker 3: and the issues and addressing abortion with with Andrea, and 384 00:21:42,760 --> 00:21:45,680 Speaker 3: it's just like, you guys were so ahead of your 385 00:21:45,760 --> 00:21:49,040 Speaker 3: time in leaning into these. 386 00:21:49,119 --> 00:21:51,480 Speaker 1: You know what's numbers number one in that And it's 387 00:21:51,520 --> 00:21:53,520 Speaker 1: really crazy because I didn't know, you know, I didn't 388 00:21:53,520 --> 00:21:56,320 Speaker 1: watch most I put these episodes on, I watched them 389 00:21:56,320 --> 00:21:58,679 Speaker 1: every night when they were on live, and then I 390 00:21:58,720 --> 00:22:01,359 Speaker 1: put them away, and so I didn't really watch a 391 00:22:01,359 --> 00:22:03,119 Speaker 1: lot of the episodes for a lot of years. 392 00:22:03,119 --> 00:22:05,399 Speaker 2: And then you know, started getting back to it. 393 00:22:05,480 --> 00:22:10,480 Speaker 1: But our second episode, which was a female centric episode, 394 00:22:12,000 --> 00:22:13,639 Speaker 1: and it was because that's what we had to do. 395 00:22:13,680 --> 00:22:17,120 Speaker 1: Then season one one for Brandon, one for Brenda, one 396 00:22:17,160 --> 00:22:20,240 Speaker 1: for Brandon, one for Brenda, one for Brandon, oops one 397 00:22:20,280 --> 00:22:25,119 Speaker 1: for Kelly, which was perfect mom, and that changed it 398 00:22:25,200 --> 00:22:28,000 Speaker 1: all up, believe me. And then and really the only 399 00:22:28,480 --> 00:22:31,560 Speaker 1: two she had that one. And then of course Dylan 400 00:22:31,640 --> 00:22:35,440 Speaker 1: got his breakthrough with Isn't It Romantic? The Ages episode, 401 00:22:35,840 --> 00:22:39,560 Speaker 1: and Tory Yours came along a little later, but still 402 00:22:39,560 --> 00:22:43,439 Speaker 1: in season one with the SAT and the idea of 403 00:22:43,480 --> 00:22:48,320 Speaker 1: your of a learning disability, the fact that a show 404 00:22:48,480 --> 00:22:50,720 Speaker 1: is you know, so the show could be dated. Right. Third, 405 00:22:50,760 --> 00:22:53,600 Speaker 1: we're talking about these shows that we made thirty years ago, 406 00:22:53,640 --> 00:22:55,520 Speaker 1: and that's going to be really part of my argument 407 00:22:55,560 --> 00:22:57,560 Speaker 1: about why the music has to be restored. 408 00:22:57,920 --> 00:23:03,560 Speaker 2: But nonetheless, the second episode we did was Every Dream 409 00:23:03,640 --> 00:23:08,199 Speaker 2: Has Its Price Tag and it was about shoplifting and 410 00:23:08,359 --> 00:23:13,480 Speaker 2: in there you will hair dialogue spoken just perfectly natural 411 00:23:13,600 --> 00:23:17,919 Speaker 2: and in the time about white privilege. That to me 412 00:23:18,280 --> 00:23:19,760 Speaker 2: was how do we know to do that? 413 00:23:19,840 --> 00:23:22,280 Speaker 1: Well? The writer was into that, she wrote it, and 414 00:23:22,400 --> 00:23:23,760 Speaker 1: Amy's p's and so it was. 415 00:23:24,200 --> 00:23:26,720 Speaker 2: It was that. But we had all of these issues 416 00:23:26,760 --> 00:23:30,520 Speaker 2: and Aaron. Aaron thrived on it. He loved this part 417 00:23:30,560 --> 00:23:33,000 Speaker 2: of the show. He wanted this, It was his, it 418 00:23:33,040 --> 00:23:33,640 Speaker 2: was his vision. 419 00:23:33,760 --> 00:23:37,640 Speaker 1: So when we finally connected after with the Gulf War 420 00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:41,840 Speaker 1: and our shows came back and all of a sudden 421 00:23:41,840 --> 00:23:44,800 Speaker 1: we were getting seven hundred and fifty thousand viewers more 422 00:23:44,880 --> 00:23:47,920 Speaker 1: a night, he was so he was thrilled with it. 423 00:23:48,240 --> 00:23:51,320 Speaker 1: And I really loved the first year and the second 424 00:23:51,400 --> 00:23:53,800 Speaker 1: year because that's when I really got the chance to 425 00:23:53,840 --> 00:23:58,240 Speaker 1: work with your dad, Torri. After that, he got so busy. 426 00:23:58,680 --> 00:24:03,119 Speaker 1: He wanted so many you know, he's your father, you 427 00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:05,080 Speaker 1: know the man so much better than I did. 428 00:24:05,160 --> 00:24:08,600 Speaker 2: But what motivated him? What he wanted? And I just 429 00:24:08,640 --> 00:24:09,960 Speaker 2: lost my access to him. 430 00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:13,800 Speaker 1: I mean, when it were the only show that was there, 431 00:24:14,240 --> 00:24:15,840 Speaker 1: he and I were on the same floor in the 432 00:24:15,880 --> 00:24:16,439 Speaker 1: same building. 433 00:24:16,480 --> 00:24:20,240 Speaker 2: I'd walk down, we'd hang out, we talk about the things. 434 00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:24,320 Speaker 1: I remember very clearly when he said to me, you 435 00:24:24,359 --> 00:24:28,159 Speaker 1: know with Donna, you know that Donna should be a virgin, 436 00:24:28,359 --> 00:24:30,920 Speaker 1: And it was like, yes, absolutely she should. 437 00:24:31,000 --> 00:24:32,639 Speaker 5: There was so that was his idea. 438 00:24:33,520 --> 00:24:36,080 Speaker 2: That was that your idea or hear his idea? 439 00:24:36,320 --> 00:24:39,720 Speaker 5: Not fine, I never knew where I always suspected and 440 00:24:39,760 --> 00:24:41,960 Speaker 5: people say like he kept his daughter a virgin? But 441 00:24:42,119 --> 00:24:43,399 Speaker 5: was it literally his idea? 442 00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:44,960 Speaker 2: Oh? Absolutely? 443 00:24:45,040 --> 00:24:47,800 Speaker 1: And by the way, the entire first writing staff just went, yeah, 444 00:24:47,840 --> 00:24:49,720 Speaker 1: that's that's I think. I think it was the second 445 00:24:49,800 --> 00:24:52,520 Speaker 1: rise that was the Wasserman's and I we just went, yo, yeah, 446 00:24:52,560 --> 00:24:55,160 Speaker 1: that that makes perfect sense because we were able now 447 00:24:55,240 --> 00:24:58,040 Speaker 1: to differentiate yourself. And when I loved about it. I 448 00:24:58,080 --> 00:25:03,879 Speaker 1: watched an episode U yesterday, the one where not my 449 00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:07,000 Speaker 1: favorite in season one, but surprisingly holds up well where 450 00:25:07,040 --> 00:25:10,840 Speaker 1: an old boyfriend comes back into Cindy's. 451 00:25:10,520 --> 00:25:15,800 Speaker 6: Like, oh yeah, that's a good one, and yes one, 452 00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:19,720 Speaker 6: and and and you know, and seeing that and seeing 453 00:25:19,760 --> 00:25:22,760 Speaker 6: you know, you you you would be dressed, you know, 454 00:25:22,920 --> 00:25:28,320 Speaker 6: provocatively stylishly, but you know, a girl and so but 455 00:25:28,400 --> 00:25:31,520 Speaker 6: it didn't matter because certainly, if you were, for whatever 456 00:25:31,560 --> 00:25:35,920 Speaker 6: reason a virgin at that point, you could dress like that, 457 00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:39,520 Speaker 6: you just you know, would blend in, but not actually 458 00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:41,720 Speaker 6: be doing the deed as it were. 459 00:25:42,119 --> 00:25:45,719 Speaker 1: So, you know, it was so I you know, I 460 00:25:45,720 --> 00:25:48,440 Speaker 1: really did miss that aspect of it. And I think 461 00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:51,600 Speaker 1: that part of the problems that we had with our 462 00:25:51,720 --> 00:25:54,120 Speaker 1: music and losing our music in the way we did, 463 00:25:54,359 --> 00:25:56,240 Speaker 1: had to do with the fact of how much was 464 00:25:56,280 --> 00:25:59,560 Speaker 1: on the company's plate at that point, how much time 465 00:25:59,640 --> 00:26:02,119 Speaker 1: had a lot, and that neither. 466 00:26:03,640 --> 00:26:06,800 Speaker 2: Darren or I were around to make a case. 467 00:26:08,080 --> 00:26:12,640 Speaker 4: Whose idea was it to do a sixty slashback show mine. 468 00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:15,120 Speaker 3: That's why you don't like that. I didn't like it. 469 00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:17,080 Speaker 4: Wasn't just you that didn't like it. None of us 470 00:26:17,080 --> 00:26:18,560 Speaker 4: are really crazy about that episode. 471 00:26:18,600 --> 00:26:21,320 Speaker 1: Well, I'm gonna go more to the quick on this Amy, 472 00:26:21,560 --> 00:26:23,639 Speaker 1: And this is not a criticism of the three of 473 00:26:23,680 --> 00:26:27,760 Speaker 1: you or anyone iHeartRadio or anybody else's names are up 474 00:26:27,760 --> 00:26:30,880 Speaker 1: here in this. You're not watching the television show I made, 475 00:26:32,119 --> 00:26:33,960 Speaker 1: right right, you didn't watch it. 476 00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:35,240 Speaker 2: Here's what songs. 477 00:26:35,320 --> 00:26:38,080 Speaker 1: Let me just go through something. Here's what songs you 478 00:26:38,119 --> 00:26:41,199 Speaker 1: didn't hear on this episode that you didn't like. 479 00:26:43,040 --> 00:26:45,440 Speaker 2: Monday, Monday, Monday by the mom. 480 00:26:45,320 --> 00:26:49,720 Speaker 1: And I'm talking about about now we're talking about the soundtrack. 481 00:26:49,440 --> 00:26:51,440 Speaker 3: And were these in the original airing? 482 00:26:52,440 --> 00:26:54,320 Speaker 2: Yes, these were the original airing. 483 00:26:54,440 --> 00:26:57,719 Speaker 1: This was the second most music that we had in 484 00:26:57,760 --> 00:27:00,400 Speaker 1: the entire five years I did the show. The only 485 00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:05,440 Speaker 1: show that had more music license was Commencement and that 486 00:27:05,560 --> 00:27:08,520 Speaker 1: in season three our graduation, and that was a two 487 00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:10,680 Speaker 1: hour episode was and that was That's. 488 00:27:10,560 --> 00:27:14,280 Speaker 3: An amazing, brilliant, perfection episode. 489 00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:15,400 Speaker 1: I'm glad you think. 490 00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:17,600 Speaker 3: So sorry, I still don't like this one. 491 00:27:18,520 --> 00:27:21,239 Speaker 1: Well, I still don't think. I'm gonna send you. I'm 492 00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:24,000 Speaker 1: gonna have Pete send you the episode and you can 493 00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:24,280 Speaker 1: hear it. 494 00:27:26,280 --> 00:27:28,560 Speaker 3: But keep keep explaining the music, because I I'll still 495 00:27:28,560 --> 00:27:30,719 Speaker 3: give my argument why I don't love it, But go 496 00:27:31,640 --> 00:27:35,439 Speaker 3: I'm sorry, So, I'm sorry, I'm freaking out. This is 497 00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:38,200 Speaker 3: such a fascinating This is like should be a pullege 498 00:27:38,280 --> 00:27:40,560 Speaker 3: class to me, like you are passionate about it. 499 00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:43,600 Speaker 1: I taught. I taught in college, so I know those classes. 500 00:27:44,040 --> 00:27:47,080 Speaker 3: I took classes like this, and I would if I 501 00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:50,040 Speaker 3: could have taken this class or take it now, Oh 502 00:27:50,160 --> 00:27:52,479 Speaker 3: my god, I would go back to school for this class. 503 00:27:53,560 --> 00:27:56,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, but but Berkeley wouldn't carry it. 504 00:27:56,640 --> 00:28:01,640 Speaker 1: They would tell you have to go to u. C. L. A. Amy. Anyway, Woodstock. 505 00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:05,960 Speaker 1: It opened with Joni Mitchell singing Woodstock, Mama's and Papa's 506 00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:09,439 Speaker 1: doing Monday Money on the jukebox. These boots are making 507 00:28:09,480 --> 00:28:13,560 Speaker 1: for walking by Nancy Sinatra, which was the song. There 508 00:28:13,560 --> 00:28:16,239 Speaker 1: were two songs in the sixties that had to do 509 00:28:16,320 --> 00:28:18,919 Speaker 1: with the soldiers, and that was one of them, and 510 00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:23,960 Speaker 1: the other was I Ain't No Fortunate Son or ad 511 00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:27,480 Speaker 1: Moon Rising was also any guy who was served in Vietnam, 512 00:28:27,480 --> 00:28:31,080 Speaker 1: here's that song, and yeah, back in the Fields. So anyway, 513 00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:33,880 Speaker 1: we had for what it's worth with the Buffalo Springfield 514 00:28:34,160 --> 00:28:39,640 Speaker 1: on the radio. We had the coolest song that really 515 00:28:39,680 --> 00:28:42,760 Speaker 1: catches the sixties. For your audience, to write this one down. 516 00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:46,640 Speaker 1: It's called reach It Out in the Darkness, and it's 517 00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:49,840 Speaker 1: I think it's so groovy now that people have finally 518 00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:54,040 Speaker 1: getting together. That was the number one teeny bopper sixties 519 00:28:54,040 --> 00:28:57,920 Speaker 1: song of the time, Everybody get together by the Love 520 00:28:58,320 --> 00:29:03,400 Speaker 1: Young Bloods. You know chance time has come today, which 521 00:29:03,480 --> 00:29:06,480 Speaker 1: was the psychedelic song, and many people probably took their 522 00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:12,000 Speaker 1: not Charlie, but many people probably took their psychedelic trips 523 00:29:12,360 --> 00:29:15,840 Speaker 1: on that. I was not a partake in psychedelics, by 524 00:29:15,880 --> 00:29:17,000 Speaker 1: the way, because I was fit. 525 00:29:17,120 --> 00:29:19,880 Speaker 2: I was fearful that I would lose my mind, so 526 00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:20,800 Speaker 2: I never did that. 527 00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:23,960 Speaker 3: Same don't same, same little, same over it. 528 00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:28,200 Speaker 1: We had where you loved like Keaven by Donovan. We 529 00:29:28,280 --> 00:29:32,960 Speaker 1: had all we are saying is give piece a chance 530 00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:34,800 Speaker 1: by John and Yoko God. 531 00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:37,400 Speaker 3: That was all this is expensive music. 532 00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:39,800 Speaker 1: And then we had the last thing, one of the 533 00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:41,160 Speaker 1: most beautiful songs. 534 00:29:41,760 --> 00:29:42,720 Speaker 2: It's a Dylan song. 535 00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:46,040 Speaker 1: We had it by Richie Havens saying the times they 536 00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:49,480 Speaker 1: are changing, which is when Brenda drives and meets the woman. 537 00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:52,920 Speaker 2: Who wrote had the Diary. That's by Richie Havens. You 538 00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:56,400 Speaker 2: didn't hear one of those songs, so it's pretty. 539 00:29:56,120 --> 00:30:01,760 Speaker 1: Hard for you to get see where the music supported 540 00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:04,640 Speaker 1: the dramaturgy and the two connected. 541 00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:08,600 Speaker 2: And we're very much and this happens you know. 542 00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:13,040 Speaker 1: The stuff that that CBS puts out there and people 543 00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:15,480 Speaker 1: watch is a lesser product. 544 00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:16,400 Speaker 3: It's not the. 545 00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:21,520 Speaker 1: Show that that I made with your father and I 546 00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:25,480 Speaker 1: and I made that argument to David's staff at CBS. 547 00:30:25,560 --> 00:30:28,400 Speaker 1: I made that argument to the National Academy of Television. 548 00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:32,000 Speaker 1: I made that ad argument again and again and again 549 00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:37,040 Speaker 1: to episodes by people by CBS. And the response, and 550 00:30:37,080 --> 00:30:42,040 Speaker 1: this one is really going to infuriate you, especially you, Jenny, 551 00:30:42,680 --> 00:30:46,240 Speaker 1: is when I really finally I had a good agent, 552 00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:49,320 Speaker 1: you know who I didn't for long years, but an 553 00:30:49,320 --> 00:30:51,640 Speaker 1: old agent of mine became a very powerful agent. 554 00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:53,920 Speaker 2: And and and and. 555 00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:56,360 Speaker 1: When I said I wanted to talk to somebody at 556 00:30:56,400 --> 00:30:59,840 Speaker 1: CBS on the distribution side because they keep saying no 557 00:31:00,520 --> 00:31:02,960 Speaker 1: to these reasonable proposals. 558 00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:05,040 Speaker 2: And I talked to a guy. 559 00:31:05,080 --> 00:31:07,160 Speaker 1: I'm gonna let his name out of it, but he's 560 00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:11,320 Speaker 1: the man who claims that he told Paramount to buy 561 00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:15,200 Speaker 1: Spelling Entertainment. And he's the man who told me when 562 00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:17,680 Speaker 1: I talked about all this music and all this stuff 563 00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:20,520 Speaker 1: and that how our loyal fans are, etc. Etc. 564 00:31:21,240 --> 00:31:23,040 Speaker 2: He said, yeah, but it's too bad none of your 565 00:31:24,080 --> 00:31:28,720 Speaker 2: stars really are big. And one week. 566 00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:32,720 Speaker 1: Later, Luke Perry died, oh one week later from that 567 00:31:32,840 --> 00:31:38,520 Speaker 1: conversation where the whole world stops to remember our brother in. 568 00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:44,240 Speaker 7: Arms, our friend, our lover, our the soul of this 569 00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:48,760 Speaker 7: television show and this is and that doesn't jive with 570 00:31:48,800 --> 00:31:52,920 Speaker 7: the corporate mentality on looking at an issue. 571 00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:55,320 Speaker 1: That is a money issue. And I kept trying to 572 00:31:55,360 --> 00:31:58,840 Speaker 1: go back to them and say, let's just take twenty 573 00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:02,080 Speaker 1: shows from Heis School. Let's just take twelve shows from 574 00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:06,080 Speaker 1: high school. Because what it mattered of those three seasons, 575 00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:10,160 Speaker 1: just pick them so that the audience can understand. 576 00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:11,760 Speaker 2: What was about this show. 577 00:32:11,840 --> 00:32:15,160 Speaker 1: You watched the original episodes of this show with the 578 00:32:15,280 --> 00:32:18,840 Speaker 1: nineties in order not thrown out the way that they 579 00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:23,000 Speaker 1: do and decide not to show them, and you realized 580 00:32:23,280 --> 00:32:27,000 Speaker 1: that you are watching a documentary about what life was 581 00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:29,280 Speaker 1: like in the nineties. Yeah, that's what mattered to me. 582 00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:32,160 Speaker 1: You know when I went into television, when I went 583 00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:35,440 Speaker 1: and excuse me, first news and then television. I did 584 00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:38,479 Speaker 1: that instead of becoming a history professor, which is what 585 00:32:38,520 --> 00:32:41,280 Speaker 1: I wanted to be part of me and was actually 586 00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:44,720 Speaker 1: accepted the University of Texas to do that program and 587 00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:48,440 Speaker 1: be part of that. And so here we we create 588 00:32:48,520 --> 00:32:52,440 Speaker 1: this show that is a direct reflection of the nineties, 589 00:32:53,320 --> 00:32:56,160 Speaker 1: and there's nobody to see it. There's no way to 590 00:32:56,240 --> 00:33:01,440 Speaker 1: see it because CBS won't take twenty episodisodes, fourteen episodes. 591 00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:04,600 Speaker 1: I don't care many episodes and donate them to UCLA 592 00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:08,040 Speaker 1: or Wisconsin and let our fans know that. 593 00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:09,720 Speaker 2: It's going to be there. So what's going to happen. 594 00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:14,000 Speaker 1: I've got all the ones I've got, and the my 595 00:33:14,560 --> 00:33:18,440 Speaker 1: heirs will be instructed when they read my will just 596 00:33:18,560 --> 00:33:20,360 Speaker 1: let them all put them all on on the internet. 597 00:33:33,240 --> 00:33:38,400 Speaker 3: So in Layman's terms, like just kindergarten explanation, the reason 598 00:33:38,560 --> 00:33:41,280 Speaker 3: so the first airing it had all that music and 599 00:33:41,320 --> 00:33:43,960 Speaker 3: then the reason it doesn't now is just purely because 600 00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:46,640 Speaker 3: it would be too expensive to continue to license the 601 00:33:46,760 --> 00:33:49,840 Speaker 3: music in those episodes like what's the kindergarten? 602 00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:53,720 Speaker 1: That was well, that was okay. That is a good question. 603 00:33:53,800 --> 00:33:57,000 Speaker 1: That is the question why did they do this? And 604 00:33:57,040 --> 00:33:59,920 Speaker 1: one of the reasons that they did it the cup 605 00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:01,840 Speaker 1: I don't want to get into some of them because 606 00:34:01,880 --> 00:34:05,200 Speaker 1: I just don't in this form. I'll tell the four 607 00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:07,680 Speaker 1: of you that when we're not being recorded, if you 608 00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:10,160 Speaker 1: don't mind, if you understand, I want to protect people's 609 00:34:10,160 --> 00:34:11,399 Speaker 1: feelings and things like that. 610 00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:17,279 Speaker 5: But the fact don't protect our feelings. We're fine, not us. 611 00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:21,120 Speaker 2: We have pretty much. Yes, I understand at a certain point. 612 00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:27,880 Speaker 1: But the television had always gone. It was interesting, you 613 00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:31,960 Speaker 1: know what, what really bothers me about the television industry. 614 00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:39,760 Speaker 1: And I compare this to music and film. In music, 615 00:34:40,760 --> 00:34:43,600 Speaker 1: working with the federal government and the Library of Congress, 616 00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:49,160 Speaker 1: they have all the great tunes that they add thirty 617 00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:52,279 Speaker 1: pieces of music to it, and they say, these are 618 00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:54,800 Speaker 1: the great songs that were written in the twentieth century. 619 00:34:55,560 --> 00:34:58,080 Speaker 1: They do the same thing with film. Hello, the American 620 00:34:58,080 --> 00:35:02,600 Speaker 1: Film Institute. Television doesn't do this. Television is about the 621 00:35:02,760 --> 00:35:07,239 Speaker 1: quick hit were popular, We're hot, We're making money. God 622 00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:11,840 Speaker 1: bless the world. And so when they get to a 623 00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:15,760 Speaker 1: point when the business starts to change, people get real worried. 624 00:35:16,920 --> 00:35:22,840 Speaker 1: In the late eighties, right before Fox started. Fox started 625 00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:28,040 Speaker 1: in nineteen eighty nine, and they started because they knew 626 00:35:28,120 --> 00:35:31,879 Speaker 1: that network television was in decline. They could see there 627 00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:34,719 Speaker 1: was a way there that what had been for all 628 00:35:34,760 --> 00:35:37,680 Speaker 1: of those years wasn't going to be happening in the 629 00:35:37,719 --> 00:35:40,719 Speaker 1: same way, well the same at the end of the nineties, 630 00:35:41,800 --> 00:35:45,239 Speaker 1: what we had was HBO in showtime, and that's where 631 00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:46,680 Speaker 1: the heat was. The heat was not. 632 00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:49,880 Speaker 2: On network anymore, and the networks didn't how are we 633 00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:51,320 Speaker 2: going to do our stuff? 634 00:35:51,360 --> 00:35:55,160 Speaker 1: What are we going to do? And so what happened 635 00:35:55,239 --> 00:36:01,960 Speaker 1: also during this period in the late nineties, sir, Oh yeah, 636 00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:02,319 Speaker 1: And what. 637 00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:04,279 Speaker 2: Napster did was take away a. 638 00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:10,480 Speaker 1: Huge profit zone from the recording industry, and they decided 639 00:36:10,520 --> 00:36:12,280 Speaker 1: that the way they were going to get it back 640 00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:14,680 Speaker 1: was to. 641 00:36:16,600 --> 00:36:18,160 Speaker 2: Charge much more. 642 00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:19,200 Speaker 1: To the television people. 643 00:36:19,560 --> 00:36:22,920 Speaker 2: Oh really, And and that's what happened. 644 00:36:22,560 --> 00:36:26,960 Speaker 1: You know, interestingly enough, as you know, and I the 645 00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:29,000 Speaker 1: only the show that I did after nine o two 646 00:36:29,040 --> 00:36:29,759 Speaker 1: and zero was I. 647 00:36:29,680 --> 00:36:31,760 Speaker 2: Did Dawson's Creek for one season. 648 00:36:32,600 --> 00:36:36,800 Speaker 1: And I was not really very much of a creative 649 00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:40,560 Speaker 1: producer on that one, all things being twothful, But I 650 00:36:40,719 --> 00:36:43,880 Speaker 1: was a bit used to the business stuff that I 651 00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:47,440 Speaker 1: had learned, and I had worked with the president of 652 00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:52,799 Speaker 1: Warners who basically said, we're not going to pay that 653 00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:54,480 Speaker 1: much for our music anymore. 654 00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:57,520 Speaker 2: We're paying way too much. Why should we pay so much? 655 00:36:57,800 --> 00:37:01,640 Speaker 1: If we're giving them an opportunity to. 656 00:37:01,600 --> 00:37:03,799 Speaker 2: Get the promotion, why should we do that? 657 00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:06,960 Speaker 1: And that was Bob Daily, and that's who had I 658 00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:09,680 Speaker 1: felt I worked for even though I was Sony. 659 00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:11,759 Speaker 3: I mean, there's some sense that makes sense, there's some 660 00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:12,960 Speaker 3: that makes sense. 661 00:37:13,560 --> 00:37:17,920 Speaker 1: Absolutely, But the thing was is that you were paying 662 00:37:18,440 --> 00:37:20,840 Speaker 1: no matter what you were paying for, you were paying 663 00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:24,120 Speaker 1: for a song you wanted, a song you went after. 664 00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:29,160 Speaker 1: And there was something about what gets me a little bit, 665 00:37:29,920 --> 00:37:33,040 Speaker 1: and what I think the Spelling Company is complicit in 666 00:37:33,080 --> 00:37:36,759 Speaker 1: this one area is that those first people from Propaganda 667 00:37:37,200 --> 00:37:41,880 Speaker 1: only bought our music for two airings, got it because 668 00:37:41,920 --> 00:37:45,080 Speaker 1: nobody believed the show was gonna last, so then he 669 00:37:45,120 --> 00:37:45,920 Speaker 1: did two errings. 670 00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:47,799 Speaker 3: So is that the difference between like a show like 671 00:37:47,840 --> 00:37:51,720 Speaker 3: Grey's Anatomy that has so much amazing music is because 672 00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:54,960 Speaker 3: they're licensing it in perpetuity or something from. 673 00:37:54,840 --> 00:37:57,960 Speaker 1: The retting correct amy And then what happened after that 674 00:37:58,040 --> 00:38:03,520 Speaker 1: instead of Spelling when Kenny Miller, who who was really 675 00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:06,520 Speaker 1: uh was so important to me while I was making 676 00:38:06,560 --> 00:38:08,360 Speaker 1: the show, he was as I was as close to 677 00:38:08,440 --> 00:38:11,560 Speaker 1: Kenny as I was to Paul, And yet after I 678 00:38:11,719 --> 00:38:15,040 Speaker 1: left the show, it was Kenny who supervised stripping all 679 00:38:15,080 --> 00:38:19,640 Speaker 1: the music away. Really yeah, and he worked for the company. 680 00:38:19,680 --> 00:38:21,799 Speaker 1: He had to do what the company told them to do, 681 00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:24,560 Speaker 1: but he never told me that was going on or 682 00:38:24,600 --> 00:38:25,480 Speaker 1: that it was be doing. 683 00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:30,959 Speaker 2: But but be that as it may. The the music. 684 00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:36,080 Speaker 1: It's itself that that was there were you know, we 685 00:38:35,640 --> 00:38:39,160 Speaker 1: were songs that we had made a deal with, we 686 00:38:39,200 --> 00:38:43,640 Speaker 1: had when it was acceptable to the seller. So you 687 00:38:43,640 --> 00:38:45,840 Speaker 1: know some of the songs, for instance, some of the 688 00:38:45,880 --> 00:38:51,560 Speaker 1: songs when you think of Season two, Losing My Religion, Arim, 689 00:38:52,040 --> 00:38:57,160 Speaker 1: Other Side of Summer, Elvis Costello, Rick and Gage, Chris Isaac, 690 00:38:57,680 --> 00:38:59,279 Speaker 1: Happy Shiny People. 691 00:38:59,040 --> 00:39:00,560 Speaker 3: Are huge songs. 692 00:39:00,719 --> 00:39:01,760 Speaker 2: Friends in Low. 693 00:39:01,560 --> 00:39:05,319 Speaker 1: Places, Garth Brooks, My God, and then moving forward, Damn, 694 00:39:05,360 --> 00:39:08,920 Speaker 1: I wish I was your lover? Why Kathy Dennis from 695 00:39:09,200 --> 00:39:13,279 Speaker 1: prom That Night, Blood is Thicker Than Water and and 696 00:39:13,320 --> 00:39:16,080 Speaker 1: Me and Mourray from Color Me Bad. So those were 697 00:39:16,200 --> 00:39:19,120 Speaker 1: songs that were were we paid for. 698 00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:20,879 Speaker 2: We did it. I came. 699 00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:24,680 Speaker 1: When I came to CBS, I thought, okay, let's just 700 00:39:24,760 --> 00:39:26,600 Speaker 1: double the price of it and they'll do that. 701 00:39:27,680 --> 00:39:30,480 Speaker 2: But they did. They wouldn't. So the idea of saying 702 00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:31,440 Speaker 2: to all. 703 00:39:31,320 --> 00:39:34,359 Speaker 1: Two hundred and ninety eight episodes, forget about it, right, 704 00:39:34,520 --> 00:39:38,520 Speaker 1: That's when I picked working with Darren Martin, Sarah. 705 00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:42,200 Speaker 8: Page Hall Uh, you know some of our real real 706 00:39:42,520 --> 00:39:45,920 Speaker 8: super friends and fans who may be listening as we 707 00:39:45,960 --> 00:39:49,919 Speaker 8: speak to help me select what episodes to use. 708 00:39:50,680 --> 00:39:53,880 Speaker 1: And these were the ones that I just wanted preserved, 709 00:39:54,200 --> 00:39:58,280 Speaker 1: some of which had good music to it too. For instance, 710 00:39:58,520 --> 00:40:00,880 Speaker 1: if you were going to do a music cent trick episode, 711 00:40:00,960 --> 00:40:03,040 Speaker 1: you have to do Fame is where you find it 712 00:40:03,160 --> 00:40:08,200 Speaker 1: because there's Brenda Laverne nice doing that. You know, it's 713 00:40:08,239 --> 00:40:10,880 Speaker 1: my party and whatever else was being done, all the 714 00:40:10,920 --> 00:40:13,839 Speaker 1: fun stuff that was there. But the episodes that we 715 00:40:13,920 --> 00:40:16,440 Speaker 1: looked at, the twenty two episodes we asked them to 716 00:40:16,440 --> 00:40:22,759 Speaker 1: put away was the first time Darren, And do you 717 00:40:22,760 --> 00:40:24,560 Speaker 1: need me to describe what the episodes were? 718 00:40:24,640 --> 00:40:24,759 Speaker 6: Well? 719 00:40:24,800 --> 00:40:26,640 Speaker 3: Wait, so here's what I have to tell you. I 720 00:40:26,680 --> 00:40:29,640 Speaker 3: screwed up because I've been asking so many questions that 721 00:40:29,640 --> 00:40:32,200 Speaker 3: we ran out of time. So can we have you 722 00:40:32,320 --> 00:40:34,640 Speaker 3: back again in a couple of weeks to continue this 723 00:40:34,760 --> 00:40:36,520 Speaker 3: conversation because we. 724 00:40:36,480 --> 00:40:38,280 Speaker 2: Have Yeah, but I probably won't be as nice. 725 00:40:38,880 --> 00:40:41,080 Speaker 3: That's okay, that's okay, you can that's okay. You're in 726 00:40:41,080 --> 00:40:43,719 Speaker 3: a good mood today, so can we continue. We're going 727 00:40:43,760 --> 00:40:45,200 Speaker 3: to do a part two of this because it is 728 00:40:45,239 --> 00:40:47,080 Speaker 3: so fascinating. Can we get me back? 729 00:40:47,400 --> 00:40:48,680 Speaker 1: And it is very. 730 00:40:48,680 --> 00:40:51,120 Speaker 2: Different for your audience, So I appreciate your patience. 731 00:40:51,640 --> 00:40:53,359 Speaker 3: No, I love it, and I do want to get 732 00:40:53,360 --> 00:40:55,640 Speaker 3: into I do want to get into I think the 733 00:40:55,719 --> 00:40:59,920 Speaker 3: music would have improved the sixties episode. I started to. 734 00:41:00,280 --> 00:41:00,919 Speaker 4: Yes, for sure. 735 00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:02,640 Speaker 5: I have a question, Amy. I don't even know if 736 00:41:02,640 --> 00:41:04,720 Speaker 5: you can remember, but when you watched it the first 737 00:41:04,760 --> 00:41:07,200 Speaker 5: time through, do you remember liking this episode when I 738 00:41:07,200 --> 00:41:09,279 Speaker 5: had the original music back here? 739 00:41:09,800 --> 00:41:14,360 Speaker 3: The episode is like. 740 00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:15,440 Speaker 5: See, this one stands out so much to me. But 741 00:41:15,520 --> 00:41:17,319 Speaker 5: it's because of the wardrobe. I think that we got 742 00:41:17,320 --> 00:41:19,440 Speaker 5: to wear it, so that's how I remember it originally. 743 00:41:20,920 --> 00:41:23,280 Speaker 4: And the music. I mean, the reason that we're talking 744 00:41:23,280 --> 00:41:25,440 Speaker 4: about any of this is because the music is just 745 00:41:25,520 --> 00:41:31,400 Speaker 4: as as important to the storytelling as any of the 746 00:41:31,480 --> 00:41:32,319 Speaker 4: other elements of it. 747 00:41:32,360 --> 00:41:35,200 Speaker 1: And we needed it, and we did it, and we 748 00:41:35,280 --> 00:41:37,800 Speaker 1: put it together and we out it. What you're saying 749 00:41:37,840 --> 00:41:41,960 Speaker 1: to the fans, I didn't. When I come back, I 750 00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:45,319 Speaker 1: will read you what our fans wrote about what they 751 00:41:45,360 --> 00:41:47,160 Speaker 1: write about not having the music there. 752 00:41:47,239 --> 00:41:49,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, if we get a lot of comments. 753 00:41:48,880 --> 00:41:52,280 Speaker 1: Because this is about the fans, and if we and 754 00:41:52,320 --> 00:41:56,200 Speaker 1: by the way, it's about one other thing too, uh minor. 755 00:41:56,280 --> 00:41:58,239 Speaker 1: This is very minor. And I know you got to go, 756 00:41:58,400 --> 00:42:01,040 Speaker 1: but this is this is this. I would like my 757 00:42:01,160 --> 00:42:04,600 Speaker 1: grandchildren to profit from the hard work that I made. 758 00:42:04,719 --> 00:42:07,439 Speaker 1: I am a proper participant on this show. That's why 759 00:42:07,480 --> 00:42:09,840 Speaker 1: I could be retired and live in Venice Beach and 760 00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:12,879 Speaker 1: I God bless. 761 00:42:12,600 --> 00:42:13,360 Speaker 2: The giving tree. 762 00:42:13,440 --> 00:42:17,640 Speaker 1: Yes, I for all you know, as I remember the 763 00:42:17,719 --> 00:42:22,280 Speaker 1: day that mister Spelling when he decided that the Bachman 764 00:42:22,400 --> 00:42:22,879 Speaker 1: is head of. 765 00:42:24,680 --> 00:42:27,520 Speaker 2: Business affairs, kept running in and saying to him. 766 00:42:27,760 --> 00:42:30,359 Speaker 1: Charge, Aaron, are you sure you want to pay him 767 00:42:30,400 --> 00:42:32,160 Speaker 1: this amount? If you pay him this, this is for 768 00:42:32,239 --> 00:42:34,360 Speaker 1: the rest of his life. And your dad did you 769 00:42:34,480 --> 00:42:36,600 Speaker 1: quote your dad on this story? He said, I like 770 00:42:36,640 --> 00:42:37,560 Speaker 1: his wife and kids. 771 00:42:37,719 --> 00:42:40,960 Speaker 3: Ah. I get it, though, if you create something, it's 772 00:42:41,000 --> 00:42:43,759 Speaker 3: like taking a book and changing the middle pages. 773 00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:46,880 Speaker 2: It's just a really fundamental lack of disrespect. And they 774 00:42:46,920 --> 00:42:49,600 Speaker 2: didn't make the show. Yeah, I guess come Out did 775 00:42:49,600 --> 00:42:52,200 Speaker 2: the same thing to Happy Days. They did it too. 776 00:42:52,680 --> 00:42:56,040 Speaker 4: I mean, beyond the profit sharing of it all, which 777 00:42:56,800 --> 00:42:59,960 Speaker 4: it strikes it a little trigger in me, I'm gonna 778 00:43:00,160 --> 00:43:03,560 Speaker 4: move past that, and I'm going to say it's really 779 00:43:03,600 --> 00:43:06,960 Speaker 4: about preserving an iconic show. 780 00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:11,520 Speaker 1: That said just take a sliver of it, start with this, 781 00:43:11,640 --> 00:43:14,279 Speaker 1: see how it does, and beg them to become the 782 00:43:14,320 --> 00:43:19,640 Speaker 1: industry leaders. And if anybody knows the book Unscripted by 783 00:43:19,760 --> 00:43:20,200 Speaker 1: James B. 784 00:43:20,440 --> 00:43:22,440 Speaker 2: Stewart, you should read it. 785 00:43:22,440 --> 00:43:24,480 Speaker 1: It's about some of the Redstone and less Moonfest and 786 00:43:24,520 --> 00:43:25,839 Speaker 1: you understand where the money went. 787 00:43:27,160 --> 00:43:29,600 Speaker 3: Well, we're going to continue this for sure. I'll email 788 00:43:29,640 --> 00:43:31,080 Speaker 3: you and we'll have you back in two weeks because 789 00:43:31,080 --> 00:43:33,440 Speaker 3: I want to talk more about this. It's really interesting. 790 00:43:33,600 --> 00:43:37,399 Speaker 4: Well, I just like you are so knowledgeable. We miss 791 00:43:37,520 --> 00:43:39,480 Speaker 4: this sort of voice on our show because our show 792 00:43:39,520 --> 00:43:42,319 Speaker 4: is not really This isn't the temperature of our show usually, 793 00:43:42,360 --> 00:43:45,600 Speaker 4: and you understand that we're we have a lot more 794 00:43:45,640 --> 00:43:50,120 Speaker 4: fun with it. To all the details, but to each 795 00:43:50,160 --> 00:43:52,600 Speaker 4: their own, but we we really appreciate when you come 796 00:43:52,640 --> 00:43:55,879 Speaker 4: on and you give us this insight and all the 797 00:43:56,000 --> 00:43:57,879 Speaker 4: real And I like. 798 00:43:57,880 --> 00:44:00,879 Speaker 1: Coming on because I get to be with both of you. Yes, 799 00:44:01,680 --> 00:44:03,160 Speaker 1: these too, I spend a lot of time with. 800 00:44:03,400 --> 00:44:05,760 Speaker 4: It's always the best to see you, always the best 801 00:44:05,840 --> 00:44:06,160 Speaker 4: I have. 802 00:44:06,560 --> 00:44:08,560 Speaker 3: I have a load more questions. Thank you for I 803 00:44:08,640 --> 00:44:09,080 Speaker 3: know me too. 804 00:44:10,280 --> 00:44:11,440 Speaker 4: Love you, Love to Karen. 805 00:44:11,560 --> 00:44:12,319 Speaker 5: We'll talk to you soon. 806 00:44:12,400 --> 00:44:16,480 Speaker 1: We'll see you then, Bye bye bye bye