1 00:00:05,680 --> 00:00:09,920 Speaker 1: This is Straight Fire with Jason McIntyre. 2 00:00:11,160 --> 00:00:12,360 Speaker 2: What is up straight Fire? 3 00:00:12,400 --> 00:00:12,640 Speaker 1: Fam? 4 00:00:12,840 --> 00:00:20,120 Speaker 3: It's me Jason McIntyre, Straight Fire for Thursday, August twenty ninth. 5 00:00:20,400 --> 00:00:23,680 Speaker 3: Fun little programming. Note, ladies and gentlemen, I will be 6 00:00:23,720 --> 00:00:28,040 Speaker 3: hosting The Herd today radio only. Yes, that would be 7 00:00:28,240 --> 00:00:32,080 Speaker 3: you know, five seventy in LA serious exam. I think 8 00:00:32,680 --> 00:00:36,280 Speaker 3: iheartstations all over the country. They offered, said, hey, do 9 00:00:36,280 --> 00:00:37,960 Speaker 3: you want to host the whole week? And I was like, listen, 10 00:00:38,000 --> 00:00:41,559 Speaker 3: I got the week off. I'll do a day and 11 00:00:41,600 --> 00:00:43,839 Speaker 3: instead of playing pickup basketball this morning, I will be 12 00:00:44,280 --> 00:00:46,920 Speaker 3: hosting The Herd, So it should be fun. There's no 13 00:00:47,000 --> 00:00:48,720 Speaker 3: TV element, so I can just do whatever the hell 14 00:00:48,760 --> 00:00:52,000 Speaker 3: I want. Psych People don't say psych anymore, but my 15 00:00:52,080 --> 00:00:53,840 Speaker 3: kids laugh when I say it because I'm so out 16 00:00:53,840 --> 00:00:58,720 Speaker 3: of touch. Nevertheless, Straight Fire is bringing some real good 17 00:00:58,720 --> 00:01:00,680 Speaker 3: stuff today, do you guys? I remember when we talked 18 00:01:00,680 --> 00:01:04,920 Speaker 3: about Deon Sanders kicking a reporter basically out of the 19 00:01:04,920 --> 00:01:07,080 Speaker 3: program and saying, you're not allowed to ask us any questions. 20 00:01:07,120 --> 00:01:08,559 Speaker 3: You're not allowed to talk to any of our players. 21 00:01:08,560 --> 00:01:11,399 Speaker 3: We're not answering questions from you. We got them on 22 00:01:11,400 --> 00:01:15,560 Speaker 3: the show. Sean Keeler's his name Denver Post. And it's 23 00:01:15,840 --> 00:01:18,720 Speaker 3: interesting because he's been around the block covering a lot 24 00:01:18,720 --> 00:01:20,880 Speaker 3: of teams and listen in Denver. It's been interesting. The 25 00:01:21,000 --> 00:01:24,800 Speaker 3: Avalanche one a Stanley Cup, he tells me, I guess 26 00:01:24,840 --> 00:01:27,800 Speaker 3: I might assume that's true. I don't follow hockey. Jokich 27 00:01:27,840 --> 00:01:31,200 Speaker 3: obviously won the title, and the Denver Broncos have been 28 00:01:31,200 --> 00:01:34,360 Speaker 3: a dumpster fire. And now you've got Deon Sanders swaggerer 29 00:01:34,440 --> 00:01:39,760 Speaker 3: in swaggering into town. Three amazing wins to start last season. 30 00:01:39,800 --> 00:01:42,600 Speaker 3: Everybody loves them, and then they lose a lot, and 31 00:01:42,640 --> 00:01:44,959 Speaker 3: they get blasted left and right, and it seems to 32 00:01:44,959 --> 00:01:48,840 Speaker 3: be a lot of drama following around Dion as if 33 00:01:48,880 --> 00:01:53,960 Speaker 3: you are, you know, basically a carnival barker, you are 34 00:01:54,080 --> 00:01:57,560 Speaker 3: inviting criticism left and right. And it's fine when you're winning. 35 00:01:57,560 --> 00:01:59,920 Speaker 3: You could talk your talk and taunt reporters and say 36 00:02:00,120 --> 00:02:01,000 Speaker 3: do you believe now? 37 00:02:01,200 --> 00:02:02,200 Speaker 2: Huh huh? 38 00:02:02,200 --> 00:02:04,960 Speaker 3: And what happens when you lose six of seven and 39 00:02:05,080 --> 00:02:08,359 Speaker 3: all of a sudden the season looks bleak? What happens then? 40 00:02:08,440 --> 00:02:10,440 Speaker 3: Can you're still going to talk? And Dion has chosen 41 00:02:10,440 --> 00:02:13,400 Speaker 3: to still run his mouth, which is fine. But the 42 00:02:13,440 --> 00:02:15,400 Speaker 3: consequences are gonna be you guys aren't gonna be great. 43 00:02:15,960 --> 00:02:18,160 Speaker 3: And so I think you're gonna really like this interview 44 00:02:18,200 --> 00:02:21,680 Speaker 3: with Sean Keeler. So far banger of a week with interviews, 45 00:02:22,080 --> 00:02:26,359 Speaker 3: did some fantasy. I think we got some other good 46 00:02:26,360 --> 00:02:28,320 Speaker 3: stuff coming later in the weekend. Obviously next week, the 47 00:02:28,320 --> 00:02:31,160 Speaker 3: beginning of the football season. It's gonna be joyous. I 48 00:02:31,200 --> 00:02:34,360 Speaker 3: can't wait. But for now, let's enjoy. Sean Keeler of 49 00:02:34,400 --> 00:02:37,360 Speaker 3: the Denver Post. 50 00:02:37,400 --> 00:02:40,000 Speaker 1: You know a guy, Jason likes to think he knows 51 00:02:40,200 --> 00:02:42,040 Speaker 1: everything when it comes to sports. 52 00:02:42,400 --> 00:02:44,639 Speaker 2: I know what sports fans want, but for. 53 00:02:44,600 --> 00:02:47,280 Speaker 1: Everything he doesn't, he knows the guy who does. 54 00:02:47,600 --> 00:02:50,480 Speaker 3: Let's just say I know a guy who knows the 55 00:02:50,520 --> 00:02:53,760 Speaker 3: guy who knows another guy. All right, let's welcome into 56 00:02:53,800 --> 00:02:55,920 Speaker 3: straight fire. A guy you know who's been in the 57 00:02:55,960 --> 00:02:59,480 Speaker 3: news lately just a little bit. He is public adamy 58 00:02:59,560 --> 00:03:01,519 Speaker 3: number one for Deon Sanders, who've never had him on 59 00:03:01,560 --> 00:03:04,440 Speaker 3: the podcast before. Sean Keeler, Denver Post, Seawan, how are 60 00:03:04,520 --> 00:03:04,799 Speaker 3: you man? 61 00:03:05,080 --> 00:03:07,680 Speaker 4: I'm great, Thank you for having me. I think it's 62 00:03:07,720 --> 00:03:09,880 Speaker 4: public enemy number three or four. There's got to be 63 00:03:09,919 --> 00:03:14,320 Speaker 4: people higher than me to be higher than me, right, now. 64 00:03:14,160 --> 00:03:16,800 Speaker 3: I did see the fine bomb stuff, but you know 65 00:03:16,880 --> 00:03:19,440 Speaker 3: that's just he. Deon's very combative. 66 00:03:19,520 --> 00:03:19,760 Speaker 4: Right now. 67 00:03:19,800 --> 00:03:21,160 Speaker 3: I can't wait to dig into this. So if you 68 00:03:21,160 --> 00:03:24,480 Speaker 3: guys missed the story, Sean kill has been writing about 69 00:03:24,520 --> 00:03:26,760 Speaker 3: sports in Denver for about five years. You know, covered 70 00:03:26,840 --> 00:03:31,040 Speaker 3: jokicch covered Sean Payton's arrival, the Avalanche may have won 71 00:03:31,080 --> 00:03:31,680 Speaker 3: at Stanley Cup. 72 00:03:31,720 --> 00:03:36,800 Speaker 2: I don't follow hockey. 73 00:03:35,600 --> 00:03:38,920 Speaker 3: And then you've got the rise of Deon Sanders last, 74 00:03:39,600 --> 00:03:44,200 Speaker 3: and Sean is the guy who somehow you know, ticked 75 00:03:44,200 --> 00:03:46,200 Speaker 3: off Deon Sanders and d Off went off on him. 76 00:03:46,200 --> 00:03:49,880 Speaker 3: And then and then Colorado, which you know is afraid 77 00:03:49,920 --> 00:03:52,400 Speaker 3: of ticking off Deon, the cash col for the university. 78 00:03:52,760 --> 00:03:55,040 Speaker 3: I said, okay, okay, Sean, no no more questions. You're 79 00:03:55,080 --> 00:03:57,080 Speaker 3: not allowed to ask questions to any of the Colorado 80 00:03:57,080 --> 00:03:59,720 Speaker 3: players or coaches. So, first of all, I'm gonna ask 81 00:03:59,800 --> 00:04:02,520 Speaker 3: you this. Didn't any of this come as a surprise 82 00:04:02,720 --> 00:04:04,920 Speaker 3: to you that they're going to just shut you down 83 00:04:04,920 --> 00:04:06,920 Speaker 3: from answering asking questions. 84 00:04:08,080 --> 00:04:12,040 Speaker 4: No, given Deon's track record, you know, past this prologue, 85 00:04:12,520 --> 00:04:15,160 Speaker 4: and given what happened in Jackson and what happened with 86 00:04:15,200 --> 00:04:18,720 Speaker 4: his academies in Dallas. I always knew that was a possibility. 87 00:04:19,240 --> 00:04:24,599 Speaker 4: I think when it happened, the speed and the forums 88 00:04:24,680 --> 00:04:26,520 Speaker 4: in which it happened and how it happened is a 89 00:04:26,560 --> 00:04:31,560 Speaker 4: whole another weird story that surprised me a little bit, 90 00:04:31,600 --> 00:04:34,160 Speaker 4: but that he did happen again, as I've said it was, 91 00:04:34,320 --> 00:04:36,080 Speaker 4: it was disappointing, but it wasn't surprising. 92 00:04:36,440 --> 00:04:36,719 Speaker 2: Okay. 93 00:04:36,760 --> 00:04:41,920 Speaker 3: So for the regular listeners who are not aware of Jackson, 94 00:04:42,720 --> 00:04:43,440 Speaker 3: tell him about that. 95 00:04:43,520 --> 00:04:45,040 Speaker 2: I hell, I was unaware. 96 00:04:45,839 --> 00:04:48,320 Speaker 4: I think the crux of it came. I think was 97 00:04:48,360 --> 00:04:51,640 Speaker 4: it his first media day or his second? I want 98 00:04:51,640 --> 00:04:54,240 Speaker 4: to say it was because the pandemic screwed everything up 99 00:04:54,720 --> 00:04:56,840 Speaker 4: in twenty twenty, which is when he started. I think 100 00:04:56,880 --> 00:04:59,680 Speaker 4: they played a spring twenty one schedule that sounds right, 101 00:05:00,240 --> 00:05:03,000 Speaker 4: come down to Jackson State. But there was a media event. 102 00:05:03,120 --> 00:05:04,920 Speaker 4: I think the long and short of it is someone 103 00:05:05,000 --> 00:05:08,000 Speaker 4: from one of the papers got on there in a 104 00:05:08,080 --> 00:05:10,800 Speaker 4: zoom call and I think at Media day. Maybe it 105 00:05:10,839 --> 00:05:14,279 Speaker 4: was at Media Day. It said hey Dion, this blah 106 00:05:14,320 --> 00:05:17,600 Speaker 4: blah blah blah to frame a question, and he stopped 107 00:05:17,600 --> 00:05:19,680 Speaker 4: and went, you don't know me, don't call me that. 108 00:05:19,720 --> 00:05:23,599 Speaker 4: Do you call Nick Saban? Nick? Uh you're not gonna 109 00:05:23,640 --> 00:05:27,120 Speaker 4: call me dion, You're gonna call me coach, prime or coach, 110 00:05:27,160 --> 00:05:29,920 Speaker 4: and he made a thing of it then, and then 111 00:05:30,800 --> 00:05:33,040 Speaker 4: there was I don't know if it's the same reporter, 112 00:05:33,120 --> 00:05:35,960 Speaker 4: but then a news story came out of which a 113 00:05:36,040 --> 00:05:39,560 Speaker 4: player or recruit and you'd have to check the facts 114 00:05:39,560 --> 00:05:42,359 Speaker 4: off that, yep, that one had had been in trouble 115 00:05:42,360 --> 00:05:45,640 Speaker 4: with the law and was being investigated. And that might 116 00:05:45,680 --> 00:05:47,600 Speaker 4: have been the same reporter, because then he said, you're 117 00:05:47,960 --> 00:05:49,880 Speaker 4: you're not allowed to ask me or my players any 118 00:05:49,880 --> 00:05:52,720 Speaker 4: more questions ever. But you can still come to events, 119 00:05:53,240 --> 00:05:55,680 Speaker 4: you can still be credentialed, but I will not talk 120 00:05:55,720 --> 00:05:57,880 Speaker 4: to you. And this is my way to make sure 121 00:05:57,920 --> 00:06:02,400 Speaker 4: that I don't hear your voice. And I've joined that club. 122 00:06:02,520 --> 00:06:03,760 Speaker 4: And it's strange. 123 00:06:04,120 --> 00:06:07,400 Speaker 3: So here's my thing, Like, this is not new that 124 00:06:07,440 --> 00:06:10,360 Speaker 3: a coach or player is ticked off famously. You know, 125 00:06:10,400 --> 00:06:12,120 Speaker 3: you're a little younger, but I don't know if you 126 00:06:12,120 --> 00:06:14,880 Speaker 3: remember Michael Jordan or heard the story. Sports Illustrated did 127 00:06:14,960 --> 00:06:16,280 Speaker 3: kind of a hatchet job on him when he went 128 00:06:16,320 --> 00:06:20,440 Speaker 3: to baseball, and Michael Jordan just instantly banned Sports Illustrated. Nope, 129 00:06:20,480 --> 00:06:23,320 Speaker 3: not talking to you, No, questions nothing, just refused to. 130 00:06:23,680 --> 00:06:24,559 Speaker 2: Do anything with them. 131 00:06:24,640 --> 00:06:27,080 Speaker 3: And this was when Sports Illustrated mattered in the nineties. Oh, 132 00:06:27,120 --> 00:06:31,000 Speaker 3: I remember this well, and it's like we've seen this before, 133 00:06:31,520 --> 00:06:35,440 Speaker 3: but it just feels like in an era of social media, 134 00:06:35,720 --> 00:06:39,120 Speaker 3: and it feels like Dion's almost empowered. 135 00:06:39,320 --> 00:06:41,479 Speaker 2: I don't need you guys being hard on me. 136 00:06:41,600 --> 00:06:43,560 Speaker 3: I just if I want to go around you and 137 00:06:43,640 --> 00:06:46,159 Speaker 3: just put out my stuff on Instagram or Twitter or 138 00:06:46,160 --> 00:06:47,720 Speaker 3: whatever TikTok, I can do that. 139 00:06:48,120 --> 00:06:50,359 Speaker 2: I don't need you guys, So be nice to me 140 00:06:50,839 --> 00:06:52,560 Speaker 2: or f off. Do you get that vibe? 141 00:06:52,600 --> 00:06:58,640 Speaker 4: Oh, that you have well described the Colorado media ecosystem 142 00:06:58,640 --> 00:07:00,800 Speaker 4: without having been here. It is exactly that. 143 00:07:01,360 --> 00:07:01,480 Speaker 1: Uh. 144 00:07:01,640 --> 00:07:04,599 Speaker 4: There are no relationships and nor have there attempted to 145 00:07:04,640 --> 00:07:08,640 Speaker 4: be with local legacy media. Everybody is at a distance. 146 00:07:09,920 --> 00:07:13,520 Speaker 4: Everyone is at the whims of whatever his. You know, 147 00:07:13,600 --> 00:07:18,480 Speaker 4: somebody comes into town with two camera crews and an 148 00:07:18,520 --> 00:07:23,240 Speaker 4: Amazon crew with them and then has paid access to 149 00:07:23,360 --> 00:07:27,360 Speaker 4: one of the fan media sites. That's here. You're there 150 00:07:27,360 --> 00:07:29,520 Speaker 4: there circle as I called it. Bill Bill Rodan of 151 00:07:29,560 --> 00:07:32,800 Speaker 4: the uh Landscaped and I talked about this last year 152 00:07:32,840 --> 00:07:35,440 Speaker 4: because he traveled and everyone came out to Colorado and 153 00:07:35,480 --> 00:07:37,720 Speaker 4: he traveled with all the road trips, and I don't 154 00:07:37,720 --> 00:07:41,080 Speaker 4: presume to have a sousand south thousand of their perspective 155 00:07:41,080 --> 00:07:43,520 Speaker 4: of the talent of of William Roaden. But I said, 156 00:07:43,520 --> 00:07:46,800 Speaker 4: there's circles here, and we're kind of on this outside 157 00:07:46,840 --> 00:07:49,720 Speaker 4: donut looking in and you get to the inner circle, 158 00:07:50,080 --> 00:07:52,560 Speaker 4: you've either got to be in the trust, you got 159 00:07:52,560 --> 00:07:54,560 Speaker 4: to be in the family, or you got to pay. 160 00:07:55,160 --> 00:07:57,520 Speaker 4: And no one in the legacy media here is going 161 00:07:57,600 --> 00:08:00,000 Speaker 4: to do that. We're just we're just kind of squeak 162 00:08:00,200 --> 00:08:05,440 Speaker 4: down from this. So it also, unfortunately, what bugs me 163 00:08:05,720 --> 00:08:09,800 Speaker 4: most just speaking inside baseball, what's frustrating, and it's frustrating 164 00:08:09,880 --> 00:08:12,600 Speaker 4: some of the beat guys here who've been at covering 165 00:08:12,640 --> 00:08:17,040 Speaker 4: Colorado way longer than I have, is that the access 166 00:08:17,040 --> 00:08:21,080 Speaker 4: to players and assistant coaches, not to Deone Sanders, not 167 00:08:21,160 --> 00:08:23,960 Speaker 4: to Shooter or Sanders, not to Shiloh, not to Travis Hunter, 168 00:08:24,200 --> 00:08:28,520 Speaker 4: not to Jordan Seeden, not to the celebrities, just to whomever. 169 00:08:28,720 --> 00:08:32,240 Speaker 4: We can't request people, We can't request coaches. It is 170 00:08:32,280 --> 00:08:34,960 Speaker 4: on a we will serve you what you get and 171 00:08:35,000 --> 00:08:37,520 Speaker 4: that's all you get and you're done and then when 172 00:08:37,559 --> 00:08:40,800 Speaker 4: this so keep in mind that's the baseline for air 173 00:08:40,880 --> 00:08:46,760 Speaker 4: quote cooperative, air quote friendly media. And then when this happens, 174 00:08:47,160 --> 00:08:49,640 Speaker 4: I kind of laughed. I said, if they're gonna keep 175 00:08:49,679 --> 00:08:52,319 Speaker 4: pushing and make this case, how can you take away 176 00:08:52,320 --> 00:08:56,280 Speaker 4: what little I already have? If that makes sense, It's like, no, no, 177 00:08:56,320 --> 00:08:58,600 Speaker 4: that's like, be my agent. I can't. I can't give 178 00:08:58,640 --> 00:09:01,600 Speaker 4: you three percent of nothing. What's three percent of nothing? 179 00:09:01,640 --> 00:09:06,079 Speaker 4: It's still nothing. So it's a different setup here. And yes, 180 00:09:06,600 --> 00:09:10,200 Speaker 4: you nailed it everything from day one, and there's stories 181 00:09:10,200 --> 00:09:12,080 Speaker 4: about day one that I can tell you that we'll 182 00:09:12,240 --> 00:09:14,640 Speaker 4: come out later. I'm not going to get into that now. 183 00:09:14,960 --> 00:09:17,559 Speaker 4: And because it's hard to talk about this and not 184 00:09:17,679 --> 00:09:21,360 Speaker 4: sound a petty or B whiney. Well he won't talk 185 00:09:21,400 --> 00:09:24,880 Speaker 4: to you. You don't like him. Well, no, A, he 186 00:09:25,000 --> 00:09:27,120 Speaker 4: won't talk to me, true B. But that doesn't mean 187 00:09:27,120 --> 00:09:29,559 Speaker 4: I don't like him. It just means it makes us 188 00:09:29,640 --> 00:09:32,640 Speaker 4: doing the very basics of our job a lot harder. 189 00:09:32,880 --> 00:09:37,080 Speaker 4: But that doesn't factor into this whole conversation. I'm just 190 00:09:37,120 --> 00:09:41,760 Speaker 4: giving you background as to why you'll see people who 191 00:09:41,800 --> 00:09:44,880 Speaker 4: are either what's been fascinating too to your point, not 192 00:09:44,920 --> 00:09:47,680 Speaker 4: only is it we're going around you, I mean they've 193 00:09:47,679 --> 00:09:49,959 Speaker 4: had a strategy. This is what he did in Jackson, 194 00:09:50,200 --> 00:09:51,839 Speaker 4: It's what we do in Dallas. Is what we do. 195 00:09:52,160 --> 00:09:54,000 Speaker 4: Not only is it okay, We're going to go around 196 00:09:54,040 --> 00:09:57,679 Speaker 4: the local legacy media one two. We are going to 197 00:09:57,720 --> 00:10:00,959 Speaker 4: make the legacy media make a decision. Okay. And you'll 198 00:10:00,960 --> 00:10:04,920 Speaker 4: appreciate this. Inside baseball, you are with me. You are 199 00:10:04,920 --> 00:10:11,320 Speaker 4: supportive of what I'm doing. Wholeheart is bullhowk or you 200 00:10:11,360 --> 00:10:13,920 Speaker 4: are automatically against me. Yeah, and you cannot help me 201 00:10:13,960 --> 00:10:17,480 Speaker 4: in any way. When I deal in shades, I'm human, 202 00:10:17,559 --> 00:10:20,880 Speaker 4: You're human. We're all human. We deal in shades of gray. 203 00:10:21,520 --> 00:10:24,480 Speaker 4: And as I've said to people who know how, I've 204 00:10:24,520 --> 00:10:27,640 Speaker 4: covered stuff that SeeU pre Prime and Lord Willing after, 205 00:10:28,760 --> 00:10:32,920 Speaker 4: I'm the same guy. I'm not rooting against Dion Sanders. 206 00:10:33,120 --> 00:10:36,960 Speaker 4: I'm not rooting for him to fail. I'm not rooting 207 00:10:37,360 --> 00:10:40,560 Speaker 4: for this to be a disaster or whatever words you want. 208 00:10:41,200 --> 00:10:44,960 Speaker 4: But here's the thing. I'm also not rooting for you. 209 00:10:45,640 --> 00:10:49,079 Speaker 4: I'm just there to cover you. And because right it's 210 00:10:49,120 --> 00:10:51,880 Speaker 4: not my job, and because there are media who will 211 00:10:51,920 --> 00:10:56,439 Speaker 4: just say, you know what, I love this, you are great. 212 00:10:56,600 --> 00:10:59,240 Speaker 4: I am so grateful you're here. And that stuff gets 213 00:10:59,280 --> 00:11:01,319 Speaker 4: said out loud. Did you just stand up and go 214 00:11:01,480 --> 00:11:03,440 Speaker 4: You've been in news conferences you stand up and go 215 00:11:03,800 --> 00:11:08,400 Speaker 4: what what are we? What are we doing? Where you 216 00:11:08,480 --> 00:11:11,959 Speaker 4: just shake your head. And so then when you question anything, 217 00:11:12,640 --> 00:11:17,080 Speaker 4: it is a presumption of evil intent, of impure intent, 218 00:11:17,760 --> 00:11:22,560 Speaker 4: of malicious intent when you're just doing your job. Again, 219 00:11:22,679 --> 00:11:26,120 Speaker 4: it's it's Tommy Lee Jones line from The Fugitive, right, 220 00:11:26,120 --> 00:11:27,000 Speaker 4: the movie The Fugitive. 221 00:11:27,040 --> 00:11:28,600 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, well he's got him in the tunnel, got. 222 00:11:28,520 --> 00:11:30,120 Speaker 4: Him, got him in the tunnel by the waterfa I just 223 00:11:30,120 --> 00:11:35,800 Speaker 4: says I didn't kill my wife. I don't care. I'm 224 00:11:35,880 --> 00:11:39,559 Speaker 4: sure you didn't. I have to ask this, I have 225 00:11:39,679 --> 00:11:43,439 Speaker 4: to do this. Yeah, and I you know, it's it's 226 00:11:43,480 --> 00:11:45,240 Speaker 4: gotten to this point, which is just kind of surreal 227 00:11:45,280 --> 00:11:45,520 Speaker 4: to me. 228 00:11:46,160 --> 00:11:49,040 Speaker 1: Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in 229 00:11:49,080 --> 00:11:52,439 Speaker 1: the nation. Catch all of our shows at Foxsports Radio 230 00:11:52,559 --> 00:11:56,680 Speaker 1: dot com and within the iHeartRadio app. Search FSR to 231 00:11:56,800 --> 00:11:57,439 Speaker 1: listen live. 232 00:11:58,080 --> 00:11:59,920 Speaker 2: So it's interesting that you bring that you were used 233 00:11:59,920 --> 00:12:00,200 Speaker 2: to old. 234 00:12:00,200 --> 00:12:02,680 Speaker 3: My next question, which was, I'm sure there are a 235 00:12:02,679 --> 00:12:05,280 Speaker 3: bunch of you know, twenty five, thirty thirty five year 236 00:12:05,320 --> 00:12:07,120 Speaker 3: old guys out here who cares that you don't have 237 00:12:07,160 --> 00:12:09,720 Speaker 3: accent why are you, Well, that's kind of not how 238 00:12:09,760 --> 00:12:13,880 Speaker 3: journalism works. Now, that's a totally different story. You know, 239 00:12:13,960 --> 00:12:16,400 Speaker 3: journalism has changed, and it's going to continue to change. 240 00:12:16,480 --> 00:12:20,920 Speaker 3: But for instance, this story popped today Sean Colorado accused 241 00:12:20,960 --> 00:12:24,719 Speaker 3: Oregon of hacking its practice film after Oregon destroyed the 242 00:12:24,800 --> 00:12:26,440 Speaker 3: number forty two sixth Oh yeah, I was there. 243 00:12:26,880 --> 00:12:29,120 Speaker 2: And then of course they say, okay, where's the evidence, 244 00:12:29,160 --> 00:12:31,080 Speaker 2: and they're like, oh uh, we don't have any. 245 00:12:32,000 --> 00:12:34,840 Speaker 3: And it's like, at what point is this like Dion 246 00:12:34,960 --> 00:12:36,319 Speaker 3: just gonna be able to shave whatever the hell he 247 00:12:36,360 --> 00:12:39,959 Speaker 3: wants and it's irrelevant, it doesn't matter because he's I 248 00:12:39,960 --> 00:12:41,440 Speaker 3: don't want to call him a fraud or a phony 249 00:12:41,960 --> 00:12:44,160 Speaker 3: as a coach I think is that. 250 00:12:44,120 --> 00:12:46,280 Speaker 4: Okay, don't call him what I've called him. 251 00:12:46,880 --> 00:12:49,600 Speaker 3: Yes, I will not do that, but I like I 252 00:12:49,760 --> 00:12:51,839 Speaker 3: you know, listen, I've been interviewing folks for I don't 253 00:12:51,880 --> 00:12:55,480 Speaker 3: know twenty something years. Dion is the only one in 254 00:12:55,520 --> 00:12:58,199 Speaker 3: an interview who hung up the phone on me after 255 00:12:58,240 --> 00:12:59,040 Speaker 3: like the fourth question. 256 00:12:59,559 --> 00:13:01,040 Speaker 2: He just literally hung up and that was it and 257 00:13:01,040 --> 00:13:04,360 Speaker 2: he wouldn't talk anymore. Okay, And I get it. He 258 00:13:04,559 --> 00:13:06,560 Speaker 2: is Deon Sanders. He's from the top of the world 259 00:13:06,559 --> 00:13:06,800 Speaker 2: in the. 260 00:13:06,800 --> 00:13:10,320 Speaker 4: NFL athlete in American history. 261 00:13:10,760 --> 00:13:13,240 Speaker 3: But I'll say this, Nick Saban's a freaking icon. How 262 00:13:13,240 --> 00:13:15,160 Speaker 3: many reporters did he ban from asking questions? 263 00:13:15,160 --> 00:13:18,760 Speaker 4: Shun? Yeah, it's you have to try not to go 264 00:13:18,840 --> 00:13:23,480 Speaker 4: down that road you get dragged. I call it WrestleMania, 265 00:13:23,559 --> 00:13:25,760 Speaker 4: like that moment with me in that news conference, because 266 00:13:25,760 --> 00:13:27,560 Speaker 4: that was my experience with that where I knew it 267 00:13:27,559 --> 00:13:30,160 Speaker 4: was coming. I had it, I wrote it, I had 268 00:13:30,200 --> 00:13:32,840 Speaker 4: it coming. He was going to be upset about what 269 00:13:32,880 --> 00:13:36,680 Speaker 4: he perceived was personal about what he perceived was name calling, 270 00:13:37,120 --> 00:13:39,320 Speaker 4: at which I have insisted and continue to do so 271 00:13:39,360 --> 00:13:41,880 Speaker 4: and mean from the bottom of my heart, is strictly 272 00:13:42,000 --> 00:13:46,320 Speaker 4: a football critique and a football question. He said, no, 273 00:13:46,520 --> 00:13:49,440 Speaker 4: this is personal to me. Here we go, but I'm 274 00:13:49,480 --> 00:13:51,920 Speaker 4: not going to engage in that in front of the 275 00:13:51,960 --> 00:13:55,840 Speaker 4: cameras for the pleasure of their content. They are here 276 00:13:55,880 --> 00:14:03,600 Speaker 4: at Colorado to win, I think. But they are here 277 00:14:03,640 --> 00:14:06,960 Speaker 4: at Colorado also, And this is not a criticism, This 278 00:14:07,040 --> 00:14:11,360 Speaker 4: is a fact to create content for a media company, 279 00:14:11,640 --> 00:14:14,160 Speaker 4: for a media outlet, that is not to make money, 280 00:14:14,160 --> 00:14:17,360 Speaker 4: that is not pertaining to the university at all. I 281 00:14:17,400 --> 00:14:20,880 Speaker 4: have also written, and you can google this that this 282 00:14:21,000 --> 00:14:23,760 Speaker 4: is this first sixteen months or even I wrote this 283 00:14:23,840 --> 00:14:26,680 Speaker 4: right after the season ended. You can look it up 284 00:14:26,720 --> 00:14:30,520 Speaker 4: Denverpost dot com. This has been a fantastic marketing and 285 00:14:30,560 --> 00:14:35,040 Speaker 4: financial will the University of Colorado. This has been brilliant. 286 00:14:35,240 --> 00:14:38,000 Speaker 4: Let me tell you what. SeeU is a place where 287 00:14:38,080 --> 00:14:41,200 Speaker 4: every sports illustrated cover they are going to put an 288 00:14:41,280 --> 00:14:44,640 Speaker 4: embossed and it still means something, and where old people 289 00:14:44,720 --> 00:14:48,520 Speaker 4: talk about remember this, and hey remember the nineties, Hey 290 00:14:48,520 --> 00:14:51,880 Speaker 4: remember the eighties. So we have a better appreciation of this. 291 00:14:52,320 --> 00:14:54,360 Speaker 4: But I can only imagine there's been and this is 292 00:14:54,360 --> 00:14:56,560 Speaker 4: staying off the top of my head, there can have 293 00:14:56,600 --> 00:15:00,280 Speaker 4: been more than a half dozen Colorado SI covers right 294 00:15:00,520 --> 00:15:05,480 Speaker 4: where that was a Badge of Honor Cordell Stewart, right, 295 00:15:06,000 --> 00:15:08,280 Speaker 4: you know, all that stuff and with that and and 296 00:15:08,280 --> 00:15:11,000 Speaker 4: and it's SALINESSI and and and God Rest his soul 297 00:15:11,080 --> 00:15:13,040 Speaker 4: and all all of that stuff. But Don McCartney and 298 00:15:13,040 --> 00:15:15,440 Speaker 4: all that era and even back to maybe Wizard White. 299 00:15:16,160 --> 00:15:18,560 Speaker 4: You know, I'm sure there's a you know, maybe there's 300 00:15:18,560 --> 00:15:21,160 Speaker 4: a John Stearns cover in there somewhere from the seventies. 301 00:15:21,440 --> 00:15:23,640 Speaker 4: Bad dude Sterns and by a nice guy, God rest 302 00:15:23,680 --> 00:15:26,200 Speaker 4: his soul too. He passed away. I believe last year 303 00:15:26,200 --> 00:15:28,400 Speaker 4: got to meet him, super guy. So there there's But 304 00:15:28,480 --> 00:15:31,000 Speaker 4: aren't that many, right, This isn't like Bama, This isn't 305 00:15:31,040 --> 00:15:34,600 Speaker 4: like Michael Jordan's user example. There's probably only a half dozen. 306 00:15:35,080 --> 00:15:37,960 Speaker 4: And Dion Sanders is now one of them that is 307 00:15:38,000 --> 00:15:40,600 Speaker 4: going to stay up and see you long after you 308 00:15:40,680 --> 00:15:42,720 Speaker 4: and I are gone. That is going to be on 309 00:15:42,760 --> 00:15:47,640 Speaker 4: display and a part of this era, and that means 310 00:15:47,680 --> 00:15:49,640 Speaker 4: something to them. And back to why this was a 311 00:15:49,680 --> 00:15:52,880 Speaker 4: marketing win that as much as we kind of shook 312 00:15:52,920 --> 00:15:55,120 Speaker 4: our heads, and I'm sure I know I did. And 313 00:15:55,240 --> 00:15:57,520 Speaker 4: I was at the party and I talked to Pat forty, 314 00:15:58,200 --> 00:16:03,000 Speaker 4: longtime comrade Ny about this Bat's there for the presentation 315 00:16:03,480 --> 00:16:06,040 Speaker 4: when they had the the SI cover, we had the 316 00:16:06,040 --> 00:16:09,080 Speaker 4: the gold carpet affair which was set up like the 317 00:16:09,120 --> 00:16:13,920 Speaker 4: Emmys and the Oscars, and and he walked by all 318 00:16:13,960 --> 00:16:16,480 Speaker 4: the print media, didn't answer any park questions, nothing, which 319 00:16:16,520 --> 00:16:19,080 Speaker 4: didn't shock me. But Cordel Stewart did. He was great, 320 00:16:19,160 --> 00:16:22,520 Speaker 4: and that's fine. So it wasn't anything wasn't a total loss. 321 00:16:22,520 --> 00:16:25,360 Speaker 4: So Pat forty was there and I'm like, boy, you 322 00:16:25,760 --> 00:16:28,520 Speaker 4: guys put a foreign a coach on the cover of 323 00:16:28,640 --> 00:16:33,400 Speaker 4: SIS your Sportsman of the Year and Pat, I will 324 00:16:33,520 --> 00:16:35,600 Speaker 4: you know, Pat was Pat was doing what we all do, 325 00:16:35,800 --> 00:16:37,600 Speaker 4: was acting under order, so to speak. And he's a 326 00:16:37,600 --> 00:16:39,880 Speaker 4: good man. And so we had a good laugh about 327 00:16:39,880 --> 00:16:43,200 Speaker 4: that because it is something well you'll just shake your head, 328 00:16:43,240 --> 00:16:46,320 Speaker 4: but that is it certainly gives you an idea of 329 00:16:46,360 --> 00:16:50,000 Speaker 4: the power of prime regardless of results. That just me 330 00:16:50,240 --> 00:16:52,800 Speaker 4: being here and this is whilst why we are and 331 00:16:52,840 --> 00:16:55,600 Speaker 4: you and I are having this discussion. Look, how important 332 00:16:55,640 --> 00:16:57,680 Speaker 4: is it for y'all? You could say, me being here 333 00:16:57,680 --> 00:16:59,840 Speaker 4: you see that SI cover I was four and eight, 334 00:17:00,080 --> 00:17:02,160 Speaker 4: What it's going to happen when I'm seven and five? 335 00:17:02,480 --> 00:17:06,520 Speaker 4: You'll be naming streets after me? And they will. And 336 00:17:06,640 --> 00:17:09,080 Speaker 4: but but my point would be, let's get there and 337 00:17:09,400 --> 00:17:12,520 Speaker 4: then I'll get on board with that. We get there flying, 338 00:17:12,600 --> 00:17:14,000 Speaker 4: then we get on the street. 339 00:17:14,160 --> 00:17:16,920 Speaker 2: Let me ask, did did they ever offer? 340 00:17:17,000 --> 00:17:19,399 Speaker 3: You know, the new coach comes into town and I 341 00:17:19,440 --> 00:17:21,879 Speaker 3: think usually the protocol is, hey, I'll meet with a 342 00:17:21,960 --> 00:17:22,680 Speaker 3: large group. 343 00:17:22,440 --> 00:17:23,959 Speaker 2: That I'll meet with a smaller group that I'll meet 344 00:17:24,000 --> 00:17:25,119 Speaker 2: with individual. Did that happen? 345 00:17:25,920 --> 00:17:26,320 Speaker 4: It did? 346 00:17:26,760 --> 00:17:28,600 Speaker 2: Oh? So, how did it go? One on one with Dion? 347 00:17:28,680 --> 00:17:29,040 Speaker 1: Back then? 348 00:17:29,119 --> 00:17:30,679 Speaker 4: Oh, it didn't go one on one. None of us 349 00:17:30,680 --> 00:17:31,320 Speaker 4: got one on ones. 350 00:17:31,440 --> 00:17:34,160 Speaker 2: Oh so what was the smallest group you got? 351 00:17:34,440 --> 00:17:36,040 Speaker 4: Uh? Ten or eleven of us? 352 00:17:36,680 --> 00:17:39,520 Speaker 2: So that's not personal. You can't get down south. So 353 00:17:39,600 --> 00:17:41,480 Speaker 2: have you ever spoke to him one on one, like 354 00:17:41,520 --> 00:17:42,880 Speaker 2: on the phone and anywhere? 355 00:17:43,160 --> 00:17:48,000 Speaker 4: No, ask if I've asked? Have you asked many times? Yeah? 356 00:17:48,040 --> 00:17:49,520 Speaker 2: Obviously, So it's weird. 357 00:17:49,920 --> 00:17:53,880 Speaker 3: I'm assuming the same people that are running Colorado were 358 00:17:53,880 --> 00:17:56,720 Speaker 3: there before Dion correct, Yes, largely, okay. 359 00:17:56,520 --> 00:17:59,080 Speaker 4: Yeah, largely, yeah, you could be honest. 360 00:17:59,119 --> 00:18:00,760 Speaker 2: Are some of them behind the scenes being. 361 00:18:00,640 --> 00:18:02,600 Speaker 3: Like, hey man, I'm sorry, this is just how this 362 00:18:02,680 --> 00:18:04,679 Speaker 3: guy is. Are you getting any of that. I'm not 363 00:18:04,720 --> 00:18:06,520 Speaker 3: asking you the name names obviously. 364 00:18:06,800 --> 00:18:08,240 Speaker 4: It just yes. 365 00:18:08,920 --> 00:18:10,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, And that's tough. 366 00:18:10,200 --> 00:18:13,240 Speaker 3: And guess what, as soon as Dion's leaves town, which 367 00:18:13,240 --> 00:18:14,919 Speaker 3: could be this year, they're not going to fire him. 368 00:18:14,960 --> 00:18:15,320 Speaker 2: We know that. 369 00:18:16,640 --> 00:18:20,320 Speaker 3: Whether it goes to the NFL or whatever. My guess 370 00:18:20,359 --> 00:18:21,679 Speaker 3: is they'll come back and be like, hey man, I'm 371 00:18:21,720 --> 00:18:23,320 Speaker 3: really sorry. Let me make it up to you with 372 00:18:23,640 --> 00:18:26,200 Speaker 3: here's an exclusive with our best ball, one of those das. 373 00:18:26,440 --> 00:18:29,000 Speaker 4: I don't know, I don't know, but the reality you've 374 00:18:29,080 --> 00:18:33,680 Speaker 4: you've you've got your finger on the pulse. This is 375 00:18:33,840 --> 00:18:34,400 Speaker 4: largely house. 376 00:18:34,480 --> 00:18:35,120 Speaker 2: It's just not a. 377 00:18:35,040 --> 00:18:36,960 Speaker 3: Way to This is just not a way to treat people. 378 00:18:36,960 --> 00:18:39,480 Speaker 3: And I get it, Like, what is Dion owe you do? 379 00:18:39,600 --> 00:18:40,920 Speaker 3: I doesn't know you anything. 380 00:18:41,040 --> 00:18:43,400 Speaker 2: Except that's kind of comes with the job, Sean, doesn't it. 381 00:18:43,560 --> 00:18:47,400 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's and that's fine. Yeah, I mean, look, if 382 00:18:47,400 --> 00:18:49,360 Speaker 4: you auditioned out, you better be able to take it. Yes, 383 00:18:50,080 --> 00:18:52,240 Speaker 4: And I show up there and I show up in 384 00:18:52,320 --> 00:18:55,720 Speaker 4: news conferences because I'm not going to hide from anybody. 385 00:18:56,160 --> 00:18:58,840 Speaker 4: You know, I got called, I got called a lot 386 00:18:58,840 --> 00:19:02,240 Speaker 4: of things. I got I gotta called a coward from 387 00:19:02,240 --> 00:19:08,320 Speaker 4: that exchange two weeks ago. Again, oh online, no one 388 00:19:08,359 --> 00:19:12,000 Speaker 4: knowing in person? Yeah, are you kidding me? No person 389 00:19:12,400 --> 00:19:14,760 Speaker 4: says anything to me. They all you know, it's all 390 00:19:14,760 --> 00:19:18,679 Speaker 4: it's all mean girls. And with an off of the side, no, no, 391 00:19:18,760 --> 00:19:20,919 Speaker 4: it says to my face, Hey, you're you're a coward 392 00:19:20,920 --> 00:19:23,840 Speaker 4: for not answering this question. I'd be happy to answer 393 00:19:23,840 --> 00:19:26,680 Speaker 4: this question. But the answer at that moment is because 394 00:19:26,720 --> 00:19:28,920 Speaker 4: I'm the columnist at the largest newspaper in the state 395 00:19:28,960 --> 00:19:31,680 Speaker 4: and you're a foreign a football coach. That's why I'm there, 396 00:19:31,720 --> 00:19:33,840 Speaker 4: and that's why I am how I am, So, how 397 00:19:33,880 --> 00:19:36,000 Speaker 4: do you think that would have gone? How do you 398 00:19:36,040 --> 00:19:38,040 Speaker 4: think that exchange would have gone right there at that 399 00:19:38,160 --> 00:19:41,760 Speaker 4: moment in front of sixty five people at media Days. 400 00:19:42,160 --> 00:19:43,600 Speaker 2: That's a great question. I don't know. 401 00:19:43,640 --> 00:19:46,000 Speaker 4: I mean, you know what, it's a different kind of viral, 402 00:19:46,240 --> 00:19:49,719 Speaker 4: and I don't think it's one that my bosses would appreciate. Yeah, 403 00:19:49,760 --> 00:19:54,400 Speaker 4: and so I I'm helping on staying on the high 404 00:19:54,440 --> 00:19:56,800 Speaker 4: road and doing my job. Let's out there on that. 405 00:19:57,000 --> 00:19:58,199 Speaker 2: Okay, let's let that was the. 406 00:19:58,240 --> 00:20:00,000 Speaker 4: Moment where I did, but then I had to be 407 00:20:00,359 --> 00:20:02,720 Speaker 4: you know now, I'm I tell my kid, don't look 408 00:20:02,760 --> 00:20:04,639 Speaker 4: me up on YouTube or do because you're gonna laugh 409 00:20:04,680 --> 00:20:05,760 Speaker 4: because it's pretty funny. 410 00:20:05,960 --> 00:20:08,800 Speaker 3: So A let's start here. A. Are you still attempting 411 00:20:08,840 --> 00:20:11,000 Speaker 3: to ask questions at the press conferences? 412 00:20:11,359 --> 00:20:13,800 Speaker 4: Yes, but now it's microphone handed only and I won't 413 00:20:13,800 --> 00:20:16,879 Speaker 4: get the mic. That sucks. 414 00:20:17,840 --> 00:20:20,080 Speaker 3: Next, so let let's say that I'm so, I'm just 415 00:20:20,080 --> 00:20:22,199 Speaker 3: guessing they're opening with a cupcake roast beef Tech this 416 00:20:22,280 --> 00:20:23,760 Speaker 3: weekend and they win bad. 417 00:20:23,880 --> 00:20:26,520 Speaker 4: Well, it's North Dakota State on thirst. 418 00:20:27,880 --> 00:20:30,440 Speaker 2: They're not actually they're not awful. 419 00:20:30,200 --> 00:20:33,119 Speaker 4: Dad, No, and that's not cupcake Tech. That is not 420 00:20:33,800 --> 00:20:38,040 Speaker 4: that is, that's opposite cupcake tech. In fact, grab your popcorn, 421 00:20:38,080 --> 00:20:41,720 Speaker 4: because I think CEU wins, but it may be late, like, well, 422 00:20:41,720 --> 00:20:44,120 Speaker 4: here's those specials right at the. 423 00:20:44,160 --> 00:20:45,200 Speaker 2: End, Sewan. 424 00:20:45,280 --> 00:20:47,200 Speaker 3: If they don't win that game and they play Nebraska, 425 00:20:47,280 --> 00:20:50,040 Speaker 3: Nebraska's on the company, Colorado State. 426 00:20:50,040 --> 00:20:51,560 Speaker 2: I haven't done any us, John, how are. 427 00:20:51,480 --> 00:20:54,880 Speaker 4: They They're better, They're better there where you left him, 428 00:20:55,000 --> 00:20:55,760 Speaker 4: And they're not. 429 00:20:55,880 --> 00:20:58,400 Speaker 3: Like last year Colorado snook up on TCU. They stuck 430 00:20:58,480 --> 00:20:59,480 Speaker 3: up on several teams earlier. 431 00:20:59,760 --> 00:21:02,800 Speaker 4: Yep. And that look the thing about last year. And 432 00:21:02,840 --> 00:21:05,120 Speaker 4: it's easier to say this in hindsight, although I said 433 00:21:05,160 --> 00:21:08,080 Speaker 4: this then I said it to Stuart Mandel went up 434 00:21:08,119 --> 00:21:11,360 Speaker 4: with me in the press uh press elevator at TCU, 435 00:21:11,359 --> 00:21:13,800 Speaker 4: and he looked at me, and I've known Stue a 436 00:21:13,840 --> 00:21:17,280 Speaker 4: long times, good man, Stu. Stu Stull looked at me 437 00:21:17,320 --> 00:21:19,760 Speaker 4: and he goes, in his very ste way, how's this 438 00:21:19,840 --> 00:21:23,720 Speaker 4: gonna go? And I'm like, they could win by four 439 00:21:23,880 --> 00:21:26,959 Speaker 4: They I just shrugged. They could lose by seventeen. I 440 00:21:27,000 --> 00:21:30,120 Speaker 4: have no idea. And that's the fun and the charm 441 00:21:30,160 --> 00:21:33,439 Speaker 4: of this. This would have to be the least clue 442 00:21:33,600 --> 00:21:36,440 Speaker 4: any of us ever had going into a new coach, 443 00:21:36,520 --> 00:21:40,639 Speaker 4: new program. Whatever nobody had, including TCU, nobody had an 444 00:21:40,680 --> 00:21:42,960 Speaker 4: idea what this was going to be. And it was fast, 445 00:21:43,000 --> 00:21:46,800 Speaker 4: furious and fun and you got a historic win and 446 00:21:46,840 --> 00:21:49,520 Speaker 4: you know, put your marker down, and then people got 447 00:21:49,520 --> 00:21:53,560 Speaker 4: tape and then people got filmed, and then people got 448 00:21:53,680 --> 00:22:00,880 Speaker 4: hurt and what happened. But tell apart. But now they 449 00:22:00,920 --> 00:22:04,760 Speaker 4: could smoke NDSU by twenty up their stay. That would 450 00:22:04,800 --> 00:22:08,840 Speaker 4: be surprising. The most surprising would be an NDSU route. 451 00:22:08,840 --> 00:22:13,200 Speaker 4: That's doesn't seem likely. An NDSU upset that's what they do. 452 00:22:13,440 --> 00:22:16,720 Speaker 4: I mean that that could happen. A narrow see you win, 453 00:22:16,960 --> 00:22:19,879 Speaker 4: I think is more likely because their talent is real. 454 00:22:20,440 --> 00:22:23,720 Speaker 4: Shad Or Sanders is an NFL quarterback, Travis Hunter is 455 00:22:23,760 --> 00:22:30,000 Speaker 4: a generational talent, you know. And again this is Dion's 456 00:22:30,080 --> 00:22:33,520 Speaker 4: number four, number one enemy saying this. These are super 457 00:22:33,600 --> 00:22:38,480 Speaker 4: talented guys, these are players, these are dudes. You respect 458 00:22:38,560 --> 00:22:43,800 Speaker 4: the skills and you respect the game. So there's also 459 00:22:43,840 --> 00:22:46,240 Speaker 4: a possibility that they smoke the bison and put a 460 00:22:46,240 --> 00:22:49,680 Speaker 4: stamp down and say not in this house, not this year. 461 00:22:50,080 --> 00:22:53,359 Speaker 4: It's different, And so we're kind of curious. We're not 462 00:22:53,400 --> 00:22:55,400 Speaker 4: as clueless as we were a year ago. I mean, 463 00:22:55,680 --> 00:22:59,240 Speaker 4: I'm I'm sure, I am, but because we know what 464 00:22:59,280 --> 00:23:02,560 Speaker 4: that talent looks like. But how that jails when you've 465 00:23:02,640 --> 00:23:05,680 Speaker 4: still boy, they do keep them. It's a great TV show. 466 00:23:05,720 --> 00:23:10,119 Speaker 4: Man Deon Sanders is a fabulous TV show. Half the 467 00:23:10,200 --> 00:23:13,800 Speaker 4: cast is different, half the coaching staff is different, all 468 00:23:13,880 --> 00:23:16,560 Speaker 4: the offensive line is different, and that makes you want 469 00:23:16,560 --> 00:23:19,800 Speaker 4: to watch, because how is this gonna go? He knows 470 00:23:19,880 --> 00:23:24,080 Speaker 4: how to bring you back, and by god, nobody does 471 00:23:24,200 --> 00:23:26,480 Speaker 4: that better than he does. And he's got all of 472 00:23:26,560 --> 00:23:29,000 Speaker 4: us intrigued, and he's gonna have the country intrigued too, 473 00:23:29,040 --> 00:23:33,160 Speaker 4: for as long as they're relevant, because at some point, again, 474 00:23:33,920 --> 00:23:37,960 Speaker 4: it's about the scoreboard, what judges. This era was just 475 00:23:37,960 --> 00:23:39,760 Speaker 4: gonna make a lot of money a the Coffers, and 476 00:23:39,800 --> 00:23:44,280 Speaker 4: it's gonna be a big win two financially. Two Ultimately 477 00:23:44,280 --> 00:23:47,480 Speaker 4: do you win? Did you reinvent the game? Did you 478 00:23:47,560 --> 00:23:52,399 Speaker 4: reinvent recruiting? Did you reinvent program building? Did you prove 479 00:23:52,480 --> 00:23:57,080 Speaker 4: that something historically in American sports that had been baked 480 00:23:57,480 --> 00:23:59,480 Speaker 4: and had been made more like a turkey or whatever 481 00:23:59,520 --> 00:24:03,160 Speaker 4: analogy you want, could be microwaved, that it could be 482 00:24:03,600 --> 00:24:07,520 Speaker 4: rushed and done and taste great and work. If he's 483 00:24:07,560 --> 00:24:09,919 Speaker 4: eight and four, nine to three, ten and two, I'll 484 00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:12,919 Speaker 4: write that column and say I'm sorry, man, I was wrong. 485 00:24:13,440 --> 00:24:16,399 Speaker 4: You were right, you can do this, and you were 486 00:24:16,440 --> 00:24:19,399 Speaker 4: the singular power that did this. But we got to 487 00:24:19,440 --> 00:24:21,840 Speaker 4: see it. And if we do more power to him. 488 00:24:21,920 --> 00:24:23,960 Speaker 2: What was he yelling at? Was it Ed Murder last year? 489 00:24:24,520 --> 00:24:27,119 Speaker 4: Edwards in front of me. We couldn't hear him that 490 00:24:27,280 --> 00:24:30,919 Speaker 4: it was. They were moving weight and moving equipment behind 491 00:24:31,000 --> 00:24:34,400 Speaker 4: us in a hallway at Amon Carter and so I'm 492 00:24:34,440 --> 00:24:38,439 Speaker 4: behind Ed and he's yelling at my direction and I 493 00:24:38,560 --> 00:24:41,200 Speaker 4: kind of here believe, believe, and we had to get 494 00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:42,920 Speaker 4: the tape out later and. 495 00:24:42,920 --> 00:24:44,360 Speaker 2: To go, oh, that was good. 496 00:24:44,440 --> 00:24:47,679 Speaker 4: So the reason all of us are stunned in hindsight 497 00:24:48,080 --> 00:24:50,520 Speaker 4: is none of us can hear what Deon Sanders is saying. 498 00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:53,560 Speaker 4: Like other than the first row. If you were two 499 00:24:53,640 --> 00:24:55,760 Speaker 4: rows back, you're like, what what? 500 00:24:55,760 --> 00:24:55,840 Speaker 3: What? 501 00:24:56,080 --> 00:24:59,720 Speaker 4: Wait? Who is okay? Like it was one of it 502 00:24:59,840 --> 00:25:02,879 Speaker 4: just to be Monty Python sometimes and you'd have to 503 00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:04,000 Speaker 4: just say okay fine. 504 00:25:04,440 --> 00:25:07,320 Speaker 1: Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in 505 00:25:07,359 --> 00:25:10,720 Speaker 1: the nation. Catch all of our shows at foxsports radio 506 00:25:10,880 --> 00:25:14,960 Speaker 1: dot com and within the iHeartRadio app search FSR to 507 00:25:15,080 --> 00:25:15,720 Speaker 1: listen live. 508 00:25:16,480 --> 00:25:19,280 Speaker 2: That's part of the problem with what Dion's doing. 509 00:25:19,359 --> 00:25:23,600 Speaker 3: Like, when it's working and rolling awesome, everybody's excited, the 510 00:25:23,680 --> 00:25:27,320 Speaker 3: ratings are up, you're winning, everybody's it's just awesome. And 511 00:25:27,320 --> 00:25:30,159 Speaker 3: then when it goes south, you can't still pretend like 512 00:25:30,200 --> 00:25:32,800 Speaker 3: it's awesome. Like I almost feel like there's a little 513 00:25:32,800 --> 00:25:36,800 Speaker 3: carnival barker action going on here, Elon Musk type behavior 514 00:25:37,080 --> 00:25:40,879 Speaker 3: a certain political candidate whatever. But but no, no, it 515 00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:43,920 Speaker 3: seems like that's the new model. You're either with us 516 00:25:44,119 --> 00:25:46,160 Speaker 3: or you're against us. And you know what, when things 517 00:25:46,200 --> 00:25:47,920 Speaker 3: are running great, you're gonna know about it, because I'm 518 00:25:47,920 --> 00:25:49,960 Speaker 3: gonna tell you and think when things are not running great, 519 00:25:50,200 --> 00:25:52,600 Speaker 3: they're still running great. Ignore that that's fake news. That's 520 00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:55,280 Speaker 3: not that it doesn't matter, you know, And it's just like, 521 00:25:56,280 --> 00:25:56,880 Speaker 3: how far do. 522 00:25:56,880 --> 00:25:57,520 Speaker 2: You take this? 523 00:25:59,520 --> 00:26:02,000 Speaker 4: I think if you're four and eight again, more questions, 524 00:26:02,040 --> 00:26:04,280 Speaker 4: they're gonna get asked, I mean, and now I don't 525 00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:07,800 Speaker 4: think they will be so again I tell everybody, I 526 00:26:07,840 --> 00:26:10,200 Speaker 4: don't think they're gonna be bad. It would be hard 527 00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:13,520 Speaker 4: to have that much talent and not be five and seven, 528 00:26:13,600 --> 00:26:17,440 Speaker 4: six and six, seven and five. But I think more 529 00:26:17,520 --> 00:26:20,760 Speaker 4: people with a lot more gravitas than me are going 530 00:26:20,840 --> 00:26:23,000 Speaker 4: to ask those questions. But I don't know those questions 531 00:26:23,040 --> 00:26:28,680 Speaker 4: are gonna come internally, because do you Colorado Boulder jumped 532 00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:32,200 Speaker 4: in this. They I think they're gonna ride this out 533 00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:34,040 Speaker 4: for as long it's a money trink, as long as 534 00:26:34,080 --> 00:26:36,360 Speaker 4: they want to stay on it, and they have clearly, 535 00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:40,080 Speaker 4: certainly through this latest interaction with me, said that this 536 00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:43,800 Speaker 4: matters more than any journalistic or personal principles we have 537 00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:47,040 Speaker 4: as an institution. And that's a choice they made. Yeah. 538 00:26:47,160 --> 00:26:49,600 Speaker 4: I don't respect it or agree with it, but they 539 00:26:49,640 --> 00:26:52,520 Speaker 4: are entitled to it. But they have to answer for 540 00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:54,439 Speaker 4: their works as much as I have to answer to mine. 541 00:26:54,720 --> 00:26:56,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, do we want to make money hand over fist 542 00:26:56,760 --> 00:26:59,040 Speaker 3: or do we care about what the local newspaper thinks? No, 543 00:26:59,040 --> 00:27:01,040 Speaker 3: no disrespect to anybody. I mean no, they probably don't 544 00:27:01,040 --> 00:27:03,160 Speaker 3: care what the ESPN, Fox, anybody thinks. By the way, 545 00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:06,240 Speaker 3: I looked at the schedule, Sean, they opened their first 546 00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:09,160 Speaker 3: games with an ESPN YEP, second games on NBC, YEP, 547 00:27:09,320 --> 00:27:10,480 Speaker 3: third games on CBS. 548 00:27:10,560 --> 00:27:12,360 Speaker 2: And that's not like CBS Sports Net. 549 00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:15,720 Speaker 3: That's the big CBAS, that's the big NBC, and these 550 00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:18,439 Speaker 3: are against Colorado State and Nebraska. It's like, oh, okay, 551 00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:21,760 Speaker 3: so the media is aware of what's happening, You're gonna 552 00:27:21,760 --> 00:27:23,840 Speaker 3: have a lot of eyeballs. Listen, Deonz either gonna's sink 553 00:27:23,880 --> 00:27:26,120 Speaker 3: or swim baby. Right, he's kind of made his bed. 554 00:27:26,359 --> 00:27:29,720 Speaker 3: I will wrap up with this, what percentage chance whether 555 00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:31,880 Speaker 3: they go six and six four at eight, eight and four? 556 00:27:32,320 --> 00:27:34,520 Speaker 3: Is Dion back next year with his son gone, with 557 00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:37,879 Speaker 3: Travis Hunter gone? Because at that point, I mean, you 558 00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:40,560 Speaker 3: can talk a big game about recruiting, but you know 559 00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:42,959 Speaker 3: you ain't winning with freshmen, you know. 560 00:27:43,280 --> 00:27:44,479 Speaker 2: So I'm just curious. 561 00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:46,760 Speaker 3: Do you think he stays in college football, stays at 562 00:27:46,800 --> 00:27:49,280 Speaker 3: Colorado or goes NFL or I don't know, just quits 563 00:27:49,280 --> 00:27:50,359 Speaker 3: because he's got a lot of money. 564 00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:53,000 Speaker 4: He's got a lot of money. He doesn't need this. 565 00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:55,880 Speaker 4: He is. I mean, this is a speaking human to human. 566 00:27:56,359 --> 00:27:58,919 Speaker 4: He's a fifty seven and whatever its fifty ten year 567 00:27:58,920 --> 00:28:02,040 Speaker 4: old man who's battle health issues as well. This is 568 00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:05,680 Speaker 4: a hard job. This is a stressful job. I respect 569 00:28:06,080 --> 00:28:08,520 Speaker 4: the heck out of Deone Sanders for taking this job 570 00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:10,960 Speaker 4: and taking it on because I've seen it before he 571 00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:15,439 Speaker 4: got there. It is hard. It is tough, and he 572 00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:18,200 Speaker 4: is trying to make it look easy when you also 573 00:28:18,280 --> 00:28:20,960 Speaker 4: want to say, look, no, we know it's not like, well, 574 00:28:21,040 --> 00:28:23,600 Speaker 4: we'd give you the grace of four and eight after 575 00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:26,240 Speaker 4: one and eleven. It's kind of how you want to 576 00:28:26,280 --> 00:28:28,520 Speaker 4: it's such a warshack test, how you want to look 577 00:28:28,560 --> 00:28:31,560 Speaker 4: at last year. And then it's like, well, they got 578 00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:34,160 Speaker 4: three more wins they did a year ago. That's yes, 579 00:28:34,320 --> 00:28:37,040 Speaker 4: that's impressive. They've got so much more talent than a 580 00:28:37,119 --> 00:28:42,640 Speaker 4: year ago. Yes, that's impressive. Minority applications are up, Black 581 00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:46,160 Speaker 4: applications are up in Colorado. These are good things, these 582 00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:51,000 Speaker 4: are necessary, great things, but they're not necessarily why you 583 00:28:51,080 --> 00:28:56,280 Speaker 4: hired him. You you the result was to be relevant 584 00:28:56,880 --> 00:29:00,440 Speaker 4: and competitive, and you're relevant. But now you've got to 585 00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:03,360 Speaker 4: get that second part. And to your question of whether 586 00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:06,680 Speaker 4: he's back. If you'd ask me a year ago, I 587 00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:10,000 Speaker 4: would have said eighty percent chance he's gone. I dropped 588 00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:13,320 Speaker 4: that to sixty because he's he's pushing back. But you know, 589 00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:16,160 Speaker 4: sometimes I always believe it's what you do, it's not 590 00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:19,560 Speaker 4: what you say. And the more he talks about staying, 591 00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:22,200 Speaker 4: the more I think, boy, I don't know, Yeah, I 592 00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:24,400 Speaker 4: don't want to think, yeah, you could do any and 593 00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:26,920 Speaker 4: I mean this is a compliment. Deane Sanders could do 594 00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:29,960 Speaker 4: anything he wants. And I don't know that this is 595 00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:33,800 Speaker 4: a fight without his kids here. That that, and I 596 00:29:33,800 --> 00:29:36,000 Speaker 4: don't wanna fight with us or me whatever, just how 597 00:29:36,040 --> 00:29:39,520 Speaker 4: hard it is. I don't There's got to be easier 598 00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:42,360 Speaker 4: ways to make a living and get your message out 599 00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:44,840 Speaker 4: than this. And if he does want to see it 600 00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:48,240 Speaker 4: through here, then I will happily also say I was wrong, 601 00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:50,760 Speaker 4: and you really do want to be the next Nick 602 00:29:50,840 --> 00:29:53,560 Speaker 4: Saban and you are trying to change this. And if 603 00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:58,400 Speaker 4: he does revolutionize what this game is, I again I'll 604 00:29:58,400 --> 00:30:00,600 Speaker 4: be first in line to say, you go, man, you 605 00:30:00,800 --> 00:30:04,520 Speaker 4: did it. You you changed what they're just like you know, uh, 606 00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:08,600 Speaker 4: Bear Bryant and everybody before this, all these great coaches 607 00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:12,120 Speaker 4: and Vince Lombardi. You you have changed how we and 608 00:30:12,160 --> 00:30:16,280 Speaker 4: Bill Walsh, you changed how we do this. But they 609 00:30:16,360 --> 00:30:18,120 Speaker 4: got to win first, and I think whatever I think 610 00:30:18,160 --> 00:30:20,120 Speaker 4: doesn't matter. If they don't win, it's weird. 611 00:30:20,280 --> 00:30:23,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, Let's say he coaches two seasons and they what 612 00:30:23,120 --> 00:30:24,600 Speaker 3: they go. Let's say just say they go four and 613 00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:27,200 Speaker 3: eight again or whatever, So eight and sixteen in two 614 00:30:27,280 --> 00:30:30,200 Speaker 3: years and then he leaves for the NFL. Eight wins 615 00:30:30,200 --> 00:30:33,160 Speaker 3: in a season. I mean, that will get you fired 616 00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:36,240 Speaker 3: in the SEC and you'll have eight and two seasons 617 00:30:36,520 --> 00:30:38,920 Speaker 3: and it's just like but again, to go back to 618 00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:41,840 Speaker 3: your point, like, applications are up, money's up, relevance up. 619 00:30:42,840 --> 00:30:45,960 Speaker 3: Probably ninety nine percent of universities. 620 00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:45,960 Speaker 2: Would take that. 621 00:30:46,520 --> 00:30:47,880 Speaker 4: They would, they would. 622 00:30:48,080 --> 00:30:49,080 Speaker 2: That's just where we are, right. 623 00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:52,360 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's been in a time where and to the 624 00:30:52,400 --> 00:30:55,680 Speaker 4: other elephant in the room, see you and everybody else 625 00:30:55,720 --> 00:31:00,000 Speaker 4: has got to start paying these guys like everywhere every decision. 626 00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:03,000 Speaker 4: I've covered college sports off and on for thirty years, 627 00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:05,200 Speaker 4: and there was a great line a colleague of mine 628 00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:07,200 Speaker 4: came up with. He was an investigative reporter. He said, 629 00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:11,600 Speaker 4: when you're dealing with college administrators, when you question them 630 00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:14,440 Speaker 4: and ask them the hard questions, they have an automatic 631 00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:17,240 Speaker 4: out and have had for years, which was when I 632 00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:19,720 Speaker 4: tell them, well, it's about the money, right, they tell 633 00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:22,840 Speaker 4: you it's about education. And when you complain it's about education, 634 00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:25,160 Speaker 4: they tell you it's about the money, and round and 635 00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:27,560 Speaker 4: around and around it goes. But I'm telling you right now, 636 00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:32,080 Speaker 4: everything now is about the money. Everything because they have 637 00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:35,720 Speaker 4: they have bills to pay, which is now a workforce 638 00:31:36,120 --> 00:31:40,240 Speaker 4: capital that yet capital you know, credit or blame the 639 00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:43,200 Speaker 4: Supreme Court credit, or blame Metal bandon credit, or blame 640 00:31:43,240 --> 00:31:46,840 Speaker 4: whoever you like. We are in this transitional phase into 641 00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:49,560 Speaker 4: a new world that is not done yet, and we could. 642 00:31:49,640 --> 00:31:52,080 Speaker 4: You probably had this discussion with others and you will. 643 00:31:52,360 --> 00:31:54,400 Speaker 4: I think we've got a fifty or forty teen college 644 00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:57,240 Speaker 4: football premier league coming that is going to have paid 645 00:31:57,240 --> 00:32:01,680 Speaker 4: players and unions and contracts and people who are employed, 646 00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:06,160 Speaker 4: and the student athlete model will be effectively destroyed at 647 00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:08,920 Speaker 4: that point. The century old thing is we're going to 648 00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:12,400 Speaker 4: go to that semi pro model and relegation promotion. And 649 00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:15,560 Speaker 4: what Colorado wants is a seed at that table, because, 650 00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:19,400 Speaker 4: as you know, they're one of the seventy schools maybe 651 00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:22,360 Speaker 4: fifty who are borderlined, like there's some who are no 652 00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:24,600 Speaker 4: brainers in the SEC in Big ten, and then there's 653 00:32:24,600 --> 00:32:27,560 Speaker 4: a lot that aren't, and they are fighting for any 654 00:32:27,640 --> 00:32:31,480 Speaker 4: way that when that game of musical chairs starts, that 655 00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:35,120 Speaker 4: they're there. And so as harsh as they've been to me, 656 00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:39,560 Speaker 4: I understand and empathize with why the University of Colorado 657 00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:42,240 Speaker 4: has done what they've done and why they're doing what 658 00:32:42,280 --> 00:32:45,280 Speaker 4: they're doing. I just may not specifically agree with them 659 00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:46,680 Speaker 4: in this specific case. 660 00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:50,560 Speaker 2: All right, Sean Keeler, Denver post great stuff. Congrats. I 661 00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:52,800 Speaker 2: think it's a congrats. I don't know. I mean on 662 00:32:52,800 --> 00:32:55,360 Speaker 2: the list. It might be a good thing. But keep 663 00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:55,960 Speaker 2: up the good work. 664 00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:58,680 Speaker 3: Obviously read his stuff and good luck at the press 665 00:32:58,720 --> 00:32:59,960 Speaker 3: conference is going forward? 666 00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:03,240 Speaker 4: Yeah, well, I'll be waving my hands and we'll see 667 00:33:03,280 --> 00:33:05,640 Speaker 4: if the if the mic ever comes. Thanks for having me, 668 00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:08,000 Speaker 4: appreciate it. You take care and enjoy the fall, my man.