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Speaker 2: Please welcome to the Microphone. James.
Speaker 3: So Hey, that was great intro. I feel very hyped
Speaker 3: up on thank you. That was amazing. Yeah, if I
Speaker 3: ever die, if you could just do the like, you know,
Speaker 3: the initial bait when they're coming into the funeral. I
Speaker 3: presume I will die here. He is, Oh you think so, Yeah,
Speaker 3: I think so. I don't feel like I'm immortal.
Speaker 2: I had a friend recently, like really confessed to me
Speaker 2: that they were so afraid of dying in like the
Speaker 2: most real way, And I was like, yeah, man, the
Speaker 2: thing about that is it's pretty autopoid.
Speaker 3: Do it?
Speaker 2: Not much we can do. I would. I would try
Speaker 2: and sort of have a reckoning with a therapy. I
Speaker 2: don't know, however, you need to.
Speaker 4: I mean, that's why people turn to religion, you know,
Speaker 4: for sure, for sure the idea that. But then then
Speaker 4: I start getting my head about living forever. I'm like,
Speaker 4: I don't want that either, forever. My friend, that would
Speaker 4: suck me up as a kid.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 4: When I was like thinking about that.
Speaker 2: This my friend, he's like the sort of I don't
Speaker 2: know if like the old Ricky Gervais radio show with
Speaker 2: Carl Pilkington where you're kind of a straight like he's
Speaker 2: just like a uniquely strange guy. And and he said
Speaker 2: it to me so earnestly. I just don't because he
Speaker 2: was I saw I hit some weird ass supplements and
Speaker 2: it's kissing. What the fuck is this, He's like, it's
Speaker 2: like assault. They're like your body absorbed. I'm like, what
Speaker 2: is that?
Speaker 6: I can live forever?
Speaker 2: Guy? No, like he's he's he's getting blood.
Speaker 6: Boy, he's getting his.
Speaker 2: Head is turning that way. But he would never actually
Speaker 2: go through with it. He's just like healthy, Like it's
Speaker 2: never like but then he'll be also that.
Speaker 4: It's not your friend is this? But it's very funny
Speaker 4: that sort of like in the genre of like like techie, billionaire,
Speaker 4: crypto fascists, whomever, whomever, who are like obsessed with being
Speaker 4: you know, like the most alpha male that they're like
Speaker 4: also trying to live forever, meaning they're just like pussy's
Speaker 4: about dying. Like okay, so you think you're so fucking
Speaker 4: hard and you're like.
Speaker 6: Straight up, bro, exactly.
Speaker 4: Not up and die, Yeah, sooner than later if you're elon.
Speaker 2: No, like it's no. His is more like a childlike
Speaker 2: fear of like what happens after It's not even like, bro,
Speaker 2: I'm too fucking hard to die, Like he's like what if?
Speaker 2: But then what happened? I'm like, Bro, you are forty
Speaker 2: years old and you just stop fooling with these supplements man,
Speaker 2: And I was like, did you you would really go
Speaker 2: through the like act of seeing many people you know
Speaker 2: die over and over because you're immortal. He's like, yeah, yeah, okay, man,
Speaker 2: maybe you should read some vampire books. They seem pretty
Speaker 2: fucked up and they can live forever.
Speaker 6: You know.
Speaker 2: It just says, like a primer more Burke, what is
Speaker 2: something from your search history that's revealing about who you are?
Speaker 6: Yo?
Speaker 7: I was just looking up Carl Jung's explanation of synchronicity
Speaker 7: just because I find that sort of interesting and I'm
Speaker 7: noticing more synchronicities of my life.
Speaker 2: Okay, now I know the Police album Synchronicity, but I'm
Speaker 2: not much up on Youngian theory.
Speaker 7: Yeah, you're more into like stings, psychologic series.
Speaker 6: Yeah wait, what's the way?
Speaker 2: What happened? What's what? What education?
Speaker 7: So yeah, yeah, so he just talks about the occurrence
Speaker 7: of meaningful coincidences that seem to have no cause. So
Speaker 7: something come for me. It'll be like something will come
Speaker 7: in my life and then something will come up again
Speaker 7: or again, or I'll be thinking about something and somebody
Speaker 7: will say it it's like this weird thing that happens.
Speaker 7: And he would talk about how that is we find
Speaker 7: it meaningful because it suggests that things are connected in
Speaker 7: a way that we can't see, Like it suggests patterns
Speaker 7: that are beyond our ability to understand. So it's sort
Speaker 7: of this weird, like magical thing that happens. And if
Speaker 7: you're like a wacky, if your spiritual dude like I am,
Speaker 7: it kept people think it suggests you're like on the
Speaker 7: right path somehow.
Speaker 8: Like if you notice like a bunch of synchronicities, you mean, yeah, yeah, you.
Speaker 2: Know, you're probably going in the right direction. That's I
Speaker 2: think it's like an optimists confirmation bias. You know, that's
Speaker 2: very healthy.
Speaker 8: You know, I've noticed, you know, there was a time
Speaker 8: when I noticed like a bunch of synchronicities. And then
Speaker 8: I was like out in a cabin, like in a
Speaker 8: beach town with some family members, and I just kept
Speaker 8: noticing the shit lining up.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 8: It was just like kept lining up, and like at night,
Speaker 8: like looked out my window and saw like other people
Speaker 8: who were exactly like us, and they like broke into
Speaker 8: my house and like they looked just like me and
Speaker 8: my family, and they were like living underground.
Speaker 2: This is the plot of Us.
Speaker 7: When you got to the part that the broken your house.
Speaker 7: I was like, no, no, no, the scot in the story
Speaker 7: got sad.
Speaker 6: I was.
Speaker 2: Look, I didn't I didn't want to be like, motherfucker,
Speaker 2: this is that's us. And but again I wanted to
Speaker 2: honor your you.
Speaker 8: Know, you never know these things you never know.
Speaker 7: We should have let you described the rest of the podcast.
Speaker 7: Should have you justrib.
Speaker 8: We're like, no, what And then and then at the
Speaker 8: end of the next morning, like a bunch of people
Speaker 8: were just holding hands across.
Speaker 2: America, Chuck, what is something you think is underrated?
Speaker 6: Uh? Naps?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I came out. Yeah.
Speaker 9: I came out very publicly on stuff you should know
Speaker 9: when we did a full episode on napping, and I
Speaker 9: came out as a napper, a daily napper if I can.
Speaker 9: And I got a lot of email from people that
Speaker 9: not were shaming me, but just you know, I can't
Speaker 9: believe you can find time in the middle of your
Speaker 9: days just to lay down and do nothing.
Speaker 2: I'm not doing nothing, I'm sleeping. Yeah, that's something you're
Speaker 2: reading charging Yeah. Also, how are we talking here?
Speaker 6: How long? Well?
Speaker 9: They say, And this is the you know, the stuff
Speaker 9: you should know part, like the science of it is
Speaker 9: is that whatever your your one sleep cycle. One rim
Speaker 9: cycle is is the best nap, So you don't want
Speaker 9: to cut it short, and you don't want to go
Speaker 9: over that because both of those can make you feel sleepy.
Speaker 9: So I set my alarm for forty five minutes, but
Speaker 9: it usually ends up being like thirty five to forty.
Speaker 9: I'll just sort of naturally wake up feeling good.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 2: It's funny when people are like, how do you find
Speaker 2: the time, and like, meanwhile, we're scrolling on our phones
Speaker 2: for like an hour and a half street screen time
Speaker 2: number and ask about your time exactly. Yeah, what do
Speaker 2: you mean, how do you?
Speaker 8: Nobody anybody who says that, I guarantee you does nothing
Speaker 8: for seventy percent of their day, right because because people
Speaker 8: who are actually busy know how you can find the time.
Speaker 8: Yeah yeah, but it all depends ye, because we actually
Speaker 8: have little blocks of time where we are in between
Speaker 8: ship that we could fucking nap.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well that's why, you know, we gotta I think
Speaker 2: we just have to normalize napping across the board, like
Speaker 2: dreams and things, you know what I mean? Can I
Speaker 2: all right, so you're a napper? I agree.
Speaker 8: I was gonna ask you, you know, because some people,
Speaker 8: And I like my girlfriend naps too much, Like she'll
Speaker 8: take to sleep for like two to four fucking hours.
Speaker 8: Like that's not a nap. You're fucking yourself.
Speaker 2: Up, making it worse. I mean, yes, but like.
Speaker 8: But also like I you know, I try to do
Speaker 8: like the set the alarm for like twenty to forty
Speaker 8: minutes somewhere in that rain. No one that will take
Speaker 8: me a few minutes to go to sleep. Yeah, blah
Speaker 8: blah blah. But I also do not nap in my bed.
Speaker 8: I only save same like actual sleep time for my bed.
Speaker 8: Is it just like couch or chair napping?
Speaker 6: Yeah, I got a nap.
Speaker 9: I got a napping couch in my uh my threat,
Speaker 9: my office area.
Speaker 2: So that's where I go.
Speaker 9: All right, turn on the white noise actually brown noise,
Speaker 9: and put on the sleep sleep.
Speaker 2: Mask and brown noise like a bunch of farts. Yeah,
Speaker 2: if white noise is this brown noises? Yeah, oh okay,
Speaker 2: just lowered lower frequencies. Oh I like that too. There's
Speaker 2: my beat.
Speaker 8: There's also pink noise, I think, yeah, I've heard of Yeah,
Speaker 8: there's a.
Speaker 2: Bunch of noise. There's a bunch of noises. Yeah, a
Speaker 2: bunch of noise out there, a bunch of noise. The
Speaker 2: noise economy is thriving right now. Yeah, Chuck, what is
Speaker 2: something you think is overrated?
Speaker 10: Uh?
Speaker 9: Well, I have a I have a whole list of
Speaker 9: people I think are both overrated and overexposed that I
Speaker 9: sort of off about to my friends all the time.
Speaker 2: Spill that tea.
Speaker 9: I think we should get Peyton Manning, Dave Groll, Matthew McConaughey,
Speaker 9: Jimmy Fallon in the Rock and put them on a
Speaker 9: rocket ship and shoot them out to the Iss and
Speaker 9: tell them just to spend a couple of quality years there.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, yeah, I'm tired of all those guys.
Speaker 8: Okay, I can I can rock with you, except on
Speaker 8: a rock because I'm a wrestling fan. So he'd become
Speaker 8: he'd be coming back sometimes.
Speaker 2: He'd becoming I think that would be tolerable, right, the rock,
Speaker 2: just coming back to do wrestling. It's all the other stuff.
Speaker 8: I'm like, that's fair, that's fair, Just too much with
Speaker 8: all those guys.
Speaker 9: He's he's I mean, I'm not a big Dave Girl fan,
Speaker 9: so I should say I'm probably a little biased. But
Speaker 9: he's dialed it back a little bit since he got
Speaker 9: outed with his uh extra marital affair, but before that
Speaker 9: he was just one of those overexposed guys. He was
Speaker 9: everywhere all the time, showing up like McConaughey these days,
Speaker 9: Like I don't need to see Matthew McConaughey on the
Speaker 9: sideline of every Texas football game fifteen times, you.
Speaker 2: Know, right, or selling me insurance yeah cars? Oh yeah,
Speaker 2: that lad.
Speaker 8: I'm like he does he does a few. He does
Speaker 8: like Hulu commercial. He'd be doing a lot of commercial.
Speaker 2: It was true, like Dave Groll for a second would
Speaker 2: be like in so many like viral internet videos, like
Speaker 2: there was a stretch. It's like Dave girl showed up
Speaker 2: to play with this kid's birthday and it's like sort
Speaker 2: of how Jackie's you know, It's like how John Ham
Speaker 2: kept showing up at you stuff and like doing comedy
Speaker 2: stuff all the time. We're like, okay, John, we get it.
Speaker 6: Bro.
Speaker 2: You like comedy, yes, and we get it. You have
Speaker 2: a big dick and you like get every character you
Speaker 2: come in when sorry John, one note for your improv
Speaker 2: every time you come in you go, doctor, my penis
Speaker 2: is so big?
Speaker 6: What should I do?
Speaker 8: Really?
Speaker 2: No, it wasn't surprised. Yeah, wait, so he said, Okay,
Speaker 2: fallon Yep, we said fallon Peyton Manning man just go
Speaker 2: like eyes on the list now too. But god, I'm
Speaker 2: so tired of those guys.
Speaker 8: They do a lot, They do a lot, especially just
Speaker 8: I mean, I do think Peyton is funny ish, like
Speaker 8: he has a natural like time. Yeah, but the bars,
Speaker 8: but the bar is low for athletes. Yeah, so that's
Speaker 8: that's fair. But he is he is out there in
Speaker 8: these streets.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, he's And don't they have like a whole
Speaker 2: Manning show. It isn't like a show with all them
Speaker 2: too or something. I don't know.
Speaker 9: Well, I mean you can watch Monday night football with
Speaker 9: just those two brothers as the you know, like in
Speaker 9: their bedroom watching it or whatever, like the Manning cast.
Speaker 2: Oh right, right right, Because Tom Brady is not great
Speaker 2: on Mike.
Speaker 9: Put him on that rocket too.
Speaker 2: I'm tired of that guy. Yeah, yeah, I'm tired of
Speaker 2: touchdown Tommy June. What is something that you think is overrated?
Speaker 6: Something I think is overrated? And I chose this independently
Speaker 6: of before we were going to talk about the tariffs
Speaker 6: and Curtis Yarvin. But I Curtis Jarvin in particular, his
Speaker 6: writing and his quality of writing is insanely overrated for
Speaker 6: someone who is like the intellectual of like the anarcho
Speaker 6: capitalist movement right now and like the neo reactionaries. I
Speaker 6: don't know if you've ever actually read any of his writing,
Speaker 6: but oh my dude, he is god awful at writing.
Speaker 6: Like I'm not a good writer, Like I am horrible
Speaker 6: at writing. There's the reason why good I'm a good
Speaker 6: like shit posty short form writer. I'm not like a
Speaker 6: good like article writer. I don't do like, you know,
Speaker 6: two thousand word article when I was when I was
Speaker 6: in college, my girlfriend at the time had to proofread
Speaker 6: and like ghost edit everything I wrote, because you know,
Speaker 6: I'm just like my writing long form, it gets a
Speaker 6: little messy. But Curtis Jarvin, I'm better than that dude. Yeah, Like,
Speaker 6: I think most people are better than that Dude's writing
Speaker 6: as dog shit boring.
Speaker 2: I think. Yeah. There is a Behind the Bastards episode
Speaker 2: which I would encourage people to check out if you
Speaker 2: need it primer for Curtis Jarvin.
Speaker 6: But June.
Speaker 2: Give people a sort of not I guess there's so
Speaker 2: much you can say about Curtis Yarvin. But what what
Speaker 2: would be your log line for people who are like
Speaker 2: when they say who is Curtis Yarvin?
Speaker 10: Such as me, I might say that.
Speaker 6: Break down, break it down for it you did. Yeah,
Speaker 6: so this is a guy that he continues and this
Speaker 6: this is a guy that went under my radar for
Speaker 6: a long time and I think continues to because he's
Speaker 6: not really talked about in the media. He's not really
Speaker 6: acknowledged in any way, so people are just like, oh,
Speaker 6: he's People make the mistake of, oh, he's just some
Speaker 6: like online weirdo, he's not important to focus on. But
Speaker 6: he's not just an online weirdo. He is much like
Speaker 6: many of us, but he is a particular type of
Speaker 6: weirdo who is like genuinely like he is. He calls
Speaker 6: himself neo reactionary. He is essentially what amounts to I guess,
Speaker 6: a right wing economic theorist. And he has very close
Speaker 6: ties to Peter Teel, who is you know, very close
Speaker 6: friends with Trump, you know, musk run Jadie Vance, he
Speaker 6: owns JD, he owns genuinely he owes his entire career
Speaker 6: to him basically, but he is like an anti democracy,
Speaker 6: anti freedom. He what he wants is to destroy the
Speaker 6: US government and most governments through his theory called the
Speaker 6: Butterfly Revolution and his rage theory. To basically, long story short,
Speaker 6: he wants to destroy democratic governments in favor of creating
Speaker 6: small city state like technocracies run by people like Peter
Speaker 6: Teal and yeah.
Speaker 2: As the figurehead.
Speaker 6: And he basically wants it to like you have to
Speaker 6: up into different zones so you could like free movement
Speaker 6: to like, oh, I'm sick of living in the Elon
Speaker 6: Musk zone. I want to move to the Peter Teal zone.
Speaker 6: He basically what it amounts to, I think the easiest
Speaker 6: way to put it is he just wants pure global
Speaker 6: anarcho capital. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and they're on their way. I mean, you look
Speaker 2: at it right now. It's it's in happening in real time.
Speaker 2: We have Elon Musk acting as the CEO of America
Speaker 2: making wild cuts, destabilizing the government. Because of the other
Speaker 2: huge part of it is like accelerationism too, for sure,
Speaker 2: is that they're like we need everything to fucking crumble
Speaker 2: and die so people are ready for a just cataclysmic
Speaker 2: societal change.
Speaker 6: That's what's super relevant with all of this, is it
Speaker 6: does seem like the powers behind Trump's second term are
Speaker 6: all believers in the butterfly revolution and the destroying the
Speaker 6: economy government to get us to that point. That is
Speaker 6: like it's playing out in front of us like his theory.
Speaker 6: If you take a take a read of his butterfly
Speaker 6: Revolution from twenty twenty two, it's it's kind of scary
Speaker 6: how it's all lining up on Trump on Rice.
Speaker 10: So how dare he be smirched the good name of butterflies.
Speaker 6: I love butterflies. I studied biology in college. I love
Speaker 6: the monarch. I love you know, milkweed. I love the
Speaker 6: connection between the like milkweed and monarch butterflies. He is shaming,
Speaker 6: shaming the beautiful creature. Really, what the fuck?
Speaker 2: All right, Look, we're gonna talk about this, So we're
Speaker 2: gonna take a quick break and we're gonna get into
Speaker 2: the tariffs. Because even though these people think they're smart,
Speaker 2: they're I think they're doing like the dumbest version.
Speaker 6: Of the dumb thing they're trying to do.
Speaker 2: Even like, I feel like there are other ways to
Speaker 2: bring a total economic collapse, I guess the world markets,
Speaker 2: but we're doing it in like this weird car salesman
Speaker 2: way with like.
Speaker 6: Discount rates and shit, it's our dealerships have full control.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll take a quick break and we'll be right back.
Speaker 6: And we are back.
Speaker 2: So James, like in the build up to having you on,
Speaker 2: I was like, Okay, I wish we talked about yet
Speaker 2: many topics that you to discuss. I think the one
Speaker 2: that absolutely is front of mine. I think, even if
Speaker 2: people don't realize or not, is me and Mar because
Speaker 2: on Friday right there was a just devastating magnitude seven
Speaker 2: point seven earthquake. As of right now, the death toll
Speaker 2: has passed two thousand, and people say it's probably gonna
Speaker 2: be much higher, but maybe even five times. And again
Speaker 2: for me, and I think a lot of people unless
Speaker 2: people you know who are very much like knowledgeable about
Speaker 2: it and keeping their eye on the story. To me,
Speaker 2: me and Mar has been this thing where it's like, okay,
Speaker 2: there was a coup and since then there has been
Speaker 2: a civil war and things have become very terrible. And
Speaker 2: I get drips and drabs to either like weird videos
Speaker 2: on Twitter when you see some of like the gorilla
Speaker 2: fighting or other just occasionally you'll see things about the
Speaker 2: workers in me and Mar being like a huge force
Speaker 2: for change and other many all kinds of stories. But
Speaker 2: I guess to take it from the earthquake, can you
Speaker 2: kind of just paint a picture of how sort of
Speaker 2: how destabilizing the civil war has beginning to be to
Speaker 2: begin with, and now adding on top of that a
Speaker 2: catastrophic earthquake and what that means for the people living there.
Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure, I like to conceptualize it in terms
Speaker 3: of a revolution, not a civil war.
Speaker 2: Okay, good, I think, thank you, thanks, thanks.
Speaker 3: A wad and like reporting it because what happened right
Speaker 3: there was a coup in twenty twenty one where effectively,
Speaker 3: like it's not a direct one for one, but you
Speaker 3: can imagine like what if the US military supported the
Speaker 3: J six thing and then they stuck the landing on
Speaker 3: that right, like, an election happened. The election was not
Speaker 3: what I would call free and fair, like there were
Speaker 3: problems with the election, but it was broadly the best
Speaker 3: election that Miamar has had. Mianmar was moving towards a
Speaker 3: sort of neoliberal pacted democracy, and that democracy had some
Speaker 3: deep issues right, as we can see in the hinge
Speaker 3: of genocide, which we're going to circle back to but
Speaker 3: what happened was that the military see East Power, it
Speaker 3: arrested most of the members of the National League for Democracy,
Speaker 3: which was the sort of pre eminent neoliberal party in Myanmar,
Speaker 3: and it began to rule like a in a military
Speaker 3: hunter kind of way. Right, people went out into the
Speaker 3: streets when like fuck that, no, like, we're not having
Speaker 3: this because me and Marris has had military dictatorships for
Speaker 3: most of its independent history, right, and every generation there's
Speaker 3: this uprising for democracy, and every time they get killed
Speaker 3: in the streets. So they came out like a lot
Speaker 3: of people in this country came out in twenty twenty. Right,
Speaker 3: they came out with science at first, and then the
Speaker 3: cops tier gastens. So they came out with like hard
Speaker 3: hats and gas masks, which they learned about from folks
Speaker 3: in Hong Kong. And then they got shot with rubber bullets.
Speaker 3: So they came out with shields, and then they got
Speaker 3: shot with real bullets. And they at that point decided
Speaker 3: that like they weren't going to be then another generation
Speaker 3: that died in the streets. So they went to the mountains.
Speaker 3: And in the mountains there are ethnic resistance organizations. There
Speaker 3: are more than fifty different ethnic groups in Myanmar, many
Speaker 3: of them have been fighting a against the majority ethnic group,
Speaker 3: the Bama, who dominate government and have done since ninety
Speaker 3: forty eight when the UK left or Britain left in
Speaker 3: the traditionally like the Burmese government and by extension, the
Speaker 3: Burmese military had used like a divide and rule strategy,
Speaker 3: just the way that other empires do, right, being like, oh, you,
Speaker 3: young Bama people can't be friends with the Koren because
Speaker 3: the Koren fucking hate you and will kill you, and
Speaker 3: they're like savage, wild mountain people. I'm using heavy air
Speaker 3: quotes there for people who don't see this podcast. But
Speaker 3: these young folks were like, well, fuck it you, the
Speaker 3: military is pretty savage, are killing my friends. They went
Speaker 3: to the mountains, and they of course found that these
Speaker 3: folks were perfectly accepting to them, or that they shared
Speaker 3: a common enemy. Right. Since then, they've formed units called
Speaker 3: PDS People's Defense Forces, which are mainly composed of young
Speaker 3: people from the cities, and they fight alongside the ethnic
Speaker 3: revolutionary organizations. And they've been fighting the military since twenty
Speaker 3: twenty one, so we're four years into the revolution. More
Speaker 3: than half the country is now liberated, right, it's considered
Speaker 3: to be controlled by the eros or the PDFs. My
Speaker 3: friend Robert Evans and I have done a couple of
Speaker 3: podcast series. We went over in twenty twenty two to
Speaker 3: meet some young people. One of the big issues they
Speaker 3: faced was that they didn't have any guns to fight back, right,
Speaker 3: So they told they all sold all their shit to
Speaker 3: try and buy guns, but guns are very expensive there.
Speaker 3: It's not like it, and so what they started doing
Speaker 3: was three D printing guns using just like two hundred
Speaker 3: dollars three D printers. And the way we came across
Speaker 3: this story was that I found a guy on a
Speaker 3: reddit who was in the gun three D printing subreddit
Speaker 3: posting pictures and I was like, you're not in America,
Speaker 3: Like those pictures aren't in America, right, So I DM
Speaker 3: the guy and it came, man, I think you might
Speaker 3: maybe be in Mema, Like can I come hang out?
Speaker 3: And you know, we chatted for a while and then
Speaker 3: it kind of worked out roughly the area they were,
Speaker 3: and I went over and we visited them and we
Speaker 3: talked to them about like what it was like to
Speaker 3: kind of they had no support from anyone, right, like
Speaker 3: all the governments of the world, the UN, the US, EU,
Speaker 3: all these places where we talk about democracy, like, they
Speaker 3: didn't do shit when people were being killed in the streets.
Speaker 3: On twenty fifth of April Armed Forces Day, one hundred
Speaker 3: and fifteen people were killed in a single day at
Speaker 3: a protest unarmed right, not aggressive, not that it matters,
Speaker 3: they shouldn't be killed anyway, but that was kind of
Speaker 3: the big changing point for people, and they realized that, like,
Speaker 3: if they needed to fight back, they needed to fight
Speaker 3: back with guns, and the word wasn't going to give
Speaker 3: them to them, but some people on Reddit did, and
Speaker 3: so they went into jungle with their three D printers
Speaker 3: and set up these print farms in the jungle, and
Speaker 3: they started out with printer guns. Those guns allowed them
Speaker 3: to acquire better guns, and they fundraised. The way they
Speaker 3: fundraised is fascinating too. They have these hued telegram channels
Speaker 3: for the revolution right, and they use pay per click adverts,
Speaker 3: So they do YouTube videos or write stories with pay
Speaker 3: per click adverts in them and then direct like ten thousand,
Speaker 3: one hundred thousand people to go to the article and
Speaker 3: click the advert, and that they generate revenue.
Speaker 2: Holy shit. Yeah, the guys like yeah, gaming basically paid
Speaker 2: media like for the Yeah.
Speaker 4: I like selling mud coffee is like, well, I'm helping
Speaker 4: the mean mar revolution. Uh no, that is why it's
Speaker 4: it's like the most gen Z revolution and and it's yeah,
Speaker 4: I mean I think that just thinking about how things
Speaker 4: got this way and just like watching like in preparation
Speaker 4: for this, watching like a quick little explainer and realizing, yeah,
Speaker 4: that the international community has been, despite a lot of
Speaker 4: cries from the UN, kind of a zero on this,
Speaker 4: and there's been no coordinated response, unlike the response to
Speaker 4: you know, Russia during the invasion of Ukraine, you know,
Speaker 4: and on and on. It's like that me and Mar
Speaker 4: has largely been left to its own devices, and China
Speaker 4: and Russia are actually fueling the obviously the military side
Speaker 4: of it, and and so they've got plenty of weapons there.
Speaker 4: And what's crazy to also learned about, like the history,
Speaker 4: is that the army has representation in parliament like heats well,
Speaker 4: is just fucking like any kind of like you know,
Speaker 4: any kind of country trying to be a democracy, Like
Speaker 4: that's wild. That's so terrifying.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And like for years the US kind of boosted
Speaker 3: this kind of ensan Succi like way. Of transitioning to democracy.
Speaker 3: It's going to be the next growth economy in Asia.
Speaker 3: They called them tiger economies for a while, and the
Speaker 3: US really didn't demand inclusion for those different ethnic groups, right,
Speaker 3: but they stood up and fort fit themselves. And I
Speaker 3: think in a sense, like it don't get me wrong,
Speaker 3: it fucking sucks how many people have died. Some of
Speaker 3: those people are people I really cared about, and it
Speaker 3: was really hard to lose them. And like the revolution
Speaker 3: has been hard for a lot of people, right, Like
Speaker 3: four years at war. It's not a joke. Like some
Speaker 3: of these people, you know, they're nineteen twenty now, they
Speaker 3: were sixteen years old when they started seeing people die
Speaker 3: every day, and that they shouldn't have to anyone. But
Speaker 3: like because they haven't had so much of this, like
Speaker 3: his aid from the United States, his aid from the
Speaker 3: European Union, and then you will have a nice neoliberal
Speaker 3: democracy afterwards. Like they've done it themselves and they found
Speaker 3: their own way, and like that gives me a lot
Speaker 3: of hope because like nobody came to help them, right,
Speaker 3: they did it all by themselves, and they built something
Speaker 3: really beautiful as a result. That like isn't you know,
Speaker 3: I'm sure there's someone on Twitter dot com he thinks
Speaker 3: it's a fucking color revolution. But those people are dumb.
Speaker 3: Like these people entirely from their own refusal to be
Speaker 3: like under the boot heel of the state, have created
Speaker 3: this beautiful revolution that's liberated half the country. And in
Speaker 3: the process they've like so to give an example, right,
Speaker 3: the Rahinja genocide happened in Mianma, and it happened largely
Speaker 3: because Facebook doesn't have any content moderation in Burmese, right yep,
Speaker 3: And that allowed for horrific Islamophobic lies to spread through
Speaker 3: the Hunter's botnet for a large part. Right that they
Speaker 3: have a huge network of bots. You can see them
Speaker 3: in the replies to my tweets. This happened less than
Speaker 3: a decade ago, right, like in Islamophobia was like and
Speaker 3: there's a massively British nationalist movement in Memmar which draws
Speaker 3: inspiration from groups of the English Defense League, like right
Speaker 3: wing anti immigrant groups, and this was pretty much the population,
Speaker 3: with some notable exceptions from the anarchists, the punk movement
Speaker 3: and other groups who are opposed in the genocide. Let
Speaker 3: it happen right now. This earthquake that happened is sagang
Speaker 3: In on Friday, right seven point seven earthquake. It happened
Speaker 3: during Friday prayers the day before Eid, right, Id being
Speaker 3: the festival at the end of Ramadan. People aren't familiar.
Speaker 3: It's kind of like church at Easter for Christians. Right.
Speaker 3: So a lot of people are at mosques now because
Speaker 3: the country has fundamentally sort of aligned Buddhism with being
Speaker 3: Burmese for decades. Mosques haven't been allowed to build or
Speaker 3: repair their structures since nineteen sixty two. So all the
Speaker 3: fucking mosques fell down during Friday prayers and like, this
Speaker 3: is horrific. It would have been inconceivable five years ago
Speaker 3: for twenty three year old Bahma Buddhist people to be like,
Speaker 3: hey man, this happened during Friday prayers and all the
Speaker 3: mosque had been destroyed, and like, what can we do
Speaker 3: to help the Muslim community in these places? Like how
Speaker 3: can we reach out to solidarity groups from Muslim communities
Speaker 3: around the world, Like that would never have happened five
Speaker 3: years ago, right, And like that they've built that solidarity
Speaker 3: now and just from like sharing experiences, right and realizing
Speaker 3: that there's a lot more that unites them that divides them,
Speaker 3: you know, likewise.
Speaker 4: So that's happening now, that's a conversation in the wake
Speaker 4: of the Rohinga obviously genocide the Muslim minority and the
Speaker 4: fallout and the Hunter turning people against them. That now
Speaker 4: when this happens and these mosques are you know, disborginately
Speaker 4: so many Muslims have been killed, that like there's solidarity
Speaker 4: now because of their revolution and what it has built.
Speaker 3: Yeah, because they began they were the same They were
Speaker 3: attacked by the Hunter the same way that Muslim people were, right,
Speaker 3: and they saw the Hunter doing the same shit, and
Speaker 3: they realized, like, this is how the state operates. It
Speaker 3: turns up against each other, so we don't turn against
Speaker 3: it and like not there are resistance groups which are
Speaker 3: still Islamophobic and will still like there's been there have
Speaker 3: been serious problems with killing of Rehinja people, and then
Speaker 3: the Hunter has trying to turn co op the Rehder people.
Speaker 3: Like it's absolutely insane that the people who did the
Speaker 3: genocide have now got Hinji people fighting alongside them. Some
Speaker 3: of those people are forcibly conscripted, but some of them
Speaker 3: are not. So like that, there are still definitely issues,
Speaker 3: but Yeah, to have young Burma folks like messaging me
Speaker 3: concerned about Muslim people and this has happened, Like this
Speaker 3: isn't just a Muslim Buddhist thing, right, Like you'll see
Speaker 3: it with for instance, women fighting on the front line now,
Speaker 3: which would have been inconceivable five or six years ago.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 3: One of my friends told me a story that I
Speaker 3: like to repeat, where like in Burmese culture, it's really
Speaker 3: a taboo for men to walk under a woman's like
Speaker 3: under garments. I guess like they would they would like
Speaker 3: lose their masculine energy if they did that, if they're
Speaker 3: like drying across the street. You know, have people tried
Speaker 3: to clo oh.
Speaker 2: I was like, how would you walk onder? Like you're
Speaker 2: violating it.
Speaker 6: They just h you're doing the.
Speaker 4: Limbo underneath someone's skirt, Like what's happening?
Speaker 3: Yeah, important context missing. It's taboo to do the limb
Speaker 3: like someone's skirt, I think in most part.
Speaker 4: So it's it's like it's like like like walking under
Speaker 4: a ladder seven years bad luck. But if you walk
Speaker 4: under a clothesline with panties.
Speaker 3: Like you yeah, immediately so your matro energy. So like
Speaker 3: they were they had a barricade, right, and they had
Speaker 3: set some tires on fire and they're trying to stop
Speaker 3: the cops coming in, but the cops are still coming in.
Speaker 3: And then they were like, oh, ship, what about this
Speaker 3: taboo thing? And so the girls like picked off their
Speaker 3: ship put it on the washing line, right, and the
Speaker 3: cops didn't come in.
Speaker 4: That's amazing. Yeah, use their own homophobia against.
Speaker 6: Them, Yeah, totally.
Speaker 3: And like for like, you know, twenty year old guys
Speaker 3: that don't generally like the great at this but like
Speaker 3: to have like twenty year old guys being like and
Speaker 3: that's how sexism hurt to everyone is like, yeah, you know, that's.
Speaker 4: What I want to Sorry, Miles, I'm sure I just
Speaker 4: like wanted to ask because like the headline I woke
Speaker 4: up to today was that the government is has bombed
Speaker 4: the areas that were affected by the earthquakes. So every
Speaker 4: day really But okay, so can you just explain how
Speaker 4: since the earthquake the war hasn't stopped? I mean, yeah, well,
Speaker 4: and how is that turning people against them? Possibly?
Speaker 3: Yeah, So the PDF, which is the mainly Bama sort
Speaker 3: of revolutionary forces that's slightly distinct in their command structure
Speaker 3: from the ethnic revolutionary organizations, and there was something called
Speaker 3: a National National Unity Government which was formed of the
Speaker 3: people who were elected and then deposed by the coup.
Speaker 6: Right.
Speaker 3: Not everyone is fighting necessarily to install the energy, but
Speaker 3: ENUG and the PDF declared a ceasefire for two weeks
Speaker 3: after the earthquake. Some of them even offered to go
Speaker 3: into Hunter control territory to help a risk to their own.
Speaker 4: Lives, right, because they were fighting each other.
Speaker 3: They were no, the ENUG and the PDF and the
Speaker 3: Eros are fighting against the Hunter.
Speaker 4: Right, but they were. They were like, we won't we'll
Speaker 4: start yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah. They're like, oh, we won't bring our weapons. We
Speaker 3: want to come help.
Speaker 6: That was denied.
Speaker 3: They So what the Hunter of Dying response is continue
Speaker 3: to bomb civilian targets, right, which is something that it
Speaker 3: has done since the coup began. It's because they get
Speaker 3: their ass handed to them in like small arms combat. Right,
Speaker 3: Like if they're fighting, if two groups of soldiers are fighting,
Speaker 3: the Hunter soldiers are conscripts. Their weapons are absolutely shipped
Speaker 3: here like I've never seen worse maintained weapons. But they
Speaker 3: just rely heavily on drones, artillery and air strikes. Right,
Speaker 3: And they've continually as struck civilian targets. They as struck
Speaker 3: Karni Christians during Christmas celebrations, right, they as struck kitchen
Speaker 3: civilians during a Kagen music festival. Jesus, they like they
Speaker 3: are on some like a sad regime level shit, but
Speaker 3: the world just doesn't report on it, like or it
Speaker 3: doesn't get reported on it as much. So, Yeah, they
Speaker 3: did continue air striking even when so it looked like
Speaker 3: in the day of the earthquake like that afternoon. I
Speaker 3: don't know if their runways were damaged. It seems like
Speaker 3: maybe not because they've been doing regular asteroiics since they
Speaker 3: used fucking paramotors.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I saw you post about that.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like to drop bombs like they couldn't take
Speaker 3: a break like a half day on rhyming civilians. They
Speaker 3: continue to keep bombing shit. And now they're demanding international aid, right, Like,
Speaker 3: I think we need to be really careful that what
Speaker 3: they will do is hold that aid. They will use
Speaker 3: it against a revolution and they did this with cyclone
Speaker 3: nargots in two thousand and eight. Right, they have declined
Speaker 3: they won't let certain aid come in. They didn't let
Speaker 3: a Taiwanese rescue team enter like they'll let Chinese, they'll
Speaker 3: let Russian, right, I think that's an Indian group, Vietnamese.
Speaker 3: They're fucking down with North Korea. So I don't think
Speaker 3: North Korea will be sending help. But like they get
Speaker 3: weapons from North Korea, they'll let those people come in,
Speaker 3: but they wouldn't let other international aid come in. And
Speaker 3: they did this with nagats a US warship is south
Speaker 3: of the coast, and they were like, no, we don't
Speaker 3: want the stuff that you have. So like they will
Speaker 3: continue to use this as an opportunity. They don't care
Speaker 3: how many civilians for dying. It will be very hard
Speaker 3: for you to get accurate numbers on how many civilians
Speaker 3: have died a because they don't care, and be because
Speaker 3: they don't want to look bad, you know, they don't
Speaker 3: want to put that out there.
Speaker 4: Are there estimates, I mean, are there entities that do
Speaker 4: kind of an estimates of the toll, that's all.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I saw the US Geological Survey had said that a
Speaker 3: quake of that magnitude and that location would result in
Speaker 3: between ten and one hundred thousand death, which is obviously
Speaker 3: a pretty big number. We can expect to see the
Speaker 3: death toll go up. I've heard from people in everyone's
Speaker 3: still sleeping outside and lots of places because of aftershocks.
Speaker 3: People have left their neighborhood because of the smell of
Speaker 3: rotting bodies in the color acted buildings, right, And they've
Speaker 3: been trying to get people out themselves, right, pulling stones off.
Speaker 3: The National Unity Government and the PDF have a large
Speaker 3: number of elephants that they liberated from the Hunter's timber camp.
Speaker 3: So they'd be, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, I.
Speaker 4: Love that you didn't mention that freed elephant.
Speaker 6: I love this.
Speaker 3: They have an elephant unit. They have like an elephant.
Speaker 3: I'm hoping to go and spend some time with them.
Speaker 3: I feel like it's one of the last chances in
Speaker 3: human history for someone to ride an elephant to war,
Speaker 3: like put it on the resume. But also like, of course,
Speaker 3: the elephants are like a symbol of Burma, and they
Speaker 3: were being mistreated by the Hunter, right, and they didn't
Speaker 3: want them to fall into the black market, so they
Speaker 3: liberated these elephants and they're living with a PLA now,
Speaker 3: which is one of these resistance groups. But yeah, they
Speaker 3: use the elephants to clear the rubble. They've used whatever
Speaker 3: vehicles they have, but they desperately need international support and
Speaker 3: the Hunter's not going to let them get it. And
Speaker 3: as a result, way more people will die than need
Speaker 3: to die. Plus you combine that with fucking we've cut
Speaker 3: USAID now, right, Yes, eighteen case officers I believe got
Speaker 3: laid off the day of the earthquake, like the I know,
Speaker 3: the World Food Program already scaled back operations in Myanmar
Speaker 3: because of this, like and globally there's kind of a
Speaker 3: reduction in funding for humanitarian aid, right, so that's it's
Speaker 3: like a double whammy. I know that, like when they
Speaker 3: shut down USAID funding. You know, when Elon Musk and
Speaker 3: his little kids went into the USAIDA and shut it down.
Speaker 3: Like I'm aware that they literally turned off life support
Speaker 3: machines in some refugee camps. I'm aware of women having
Speaker 3: to give birth outside of like locked clinics.
Speaker 4: Jesus Christ.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's a lot of Burmese refugees end up
Speaker 3: living just across the border in Thailand and USAID has
Speaker 3: and this is wrong, Like it's institution itself kind of
Speaker 3: as the only provider in some of those cases, or
Speaker 3: it's like one of the main ways to get medical care.
Speaker 3: So when it pulled out, at least people really in
Speaker 3: a shit situation.
Speaker 2: Well, let's another quick break. I have a couple questions
Speaker 2: and you know, and also a bit of optimism to offer,
Speaker 2: I think, James, because you do you do see that
Speaker 2: there is something inspiring about everything that's happening. So let's
Speaker 2: take a quick break and we'll come right back, and
Speaker 2: we're back. Bill Burr, he has been getting a lot
Speaker 2: of attention recently because he's you know, says funny shit
Speaker 2: and is mean to Elon Musk and hates billionaires, so
Speaker 2: that that's kind of getting people's attention. But recently he
Speaker 2: was at this Kennedy Center event where Conan O'Brien was
Speaker 2: getting like the Mark Twain Prize, and these journalists really
Speaker 2: tried to like do this thing where they wanted to
Speaker 2: kind of poke the beehive and try and get like
Speaker 2: a quote out of him and maybe some news. And
Speaker 2: Bill Burr, I mean credit to him, he knew exactly
Speaker 2: what the fuck was going on, and it's just this
Speaker 2: is just I just want to play this exchange because
Speaker 2: it's very interesting to see how like the media was
Speaker 2: going to try and get a little bit more sort
Speaker 2: of stuff that they'd like try and maybe paint his
Speaker 2: words or his worldview as being like, I mean, look
Speaker 2: at look at.
Speaker 6: What he said.
Speaker 2: He's crazy, He's off the mark. He said, Elon Musk
Speaker 2: is a laminated face with air plugs.
Speaker 6: Cunt. That's so terrible.
Speaker 8: Wow.
Speaker 2: So here is Bill Burr on the red carpet, just
Speaker 2: trying to support Conan O'Brien, and he gets hit with,
Speaker 2: hey man, what about Luigi ma.
Speaker 4: That your reaction to Luigi Maggion is reading up? You
Speaker 4: know that perhaps you've been supportive of what he did.
Speaker 6: What is your take on that?
Speaker 5: So if you were reading up, I don't think you
Speaker 5: read up on it because I said what I felt
Speaker 5: about it, and I said what a lot.
Speaker 2: Of people said took it that way? So could you
Speaker 2: clarify how well you No, I'm.
Speaker 5: Not going to just have some controversial moments.
Speaker 2: You can get clicks. I'm not doing that. I mean,
Speaker 2: I'm hit a for Conan. I'm not I'm not doing
Speaker 2: all of this. What are gonna bring up next to
Speaker 2: the Middle East?
Speaker 5: I went to summer school three four years in high school.
Speaker 5: I'm not qualified to talk about this.
Speaker 10: Warming about Elon that he was ruining ear if I
Speaker 10: saw in the view you're critical of him?
Speaker 2: What do you think of all the boycotts, even the viol.
Speaker 6: I don't watch the I don't watch the news. I
Speaker 6: have no idea what's going on.
Speaker 2: I watch Instagram.
Speaker 5: I watched people wipe out on motorcycles. I watch lions
Speaker 5: and hyenas fight each other.
Speaker 3: This is the things that I do.
Speaker 5: And I don't think you should be asking a comedian.
Speaker 6: Your GM medians are on top of turn events.
Speaker 5: You're no, no, that's that's weak that you guys passing
Speaker 5: the buck. You guys need to have balls again, which
Speaker 5: you don't. You guys always goes.
Speaker 6: Should we be thinking this?
Speaker 5: He dous presents stuff like that, you used to guys,
Speaker 5: just have balls. You get your balls back, and it's
Speaker 5: not my job. I am a dancing clown.
Speaker 6: God is he's so real for that? Like, I respect
Speaker 6: that so much because, like I just mentioned earlier that
Speaker 6: like so many people look at comedians as like the
Speaker 6: profits of today's age is like having a perspective of that.
Speaker 6: Surely no one else can. But they're trying to catch
Speaker 6: them up with that because he's straying away from like
Speaker 6: the right wing version of that where like Joe Rogan
Speaker 6: sits down all right, today we will Today we will
Speaker 6: learn about how vaccines are killing everyone, right, and people
Speaker 6: like seals right exactly.
Speaker 2: And I think it's funny too. All the comments this,
Speaker 2: this is a clip from Twitter, Like the comments underneath
Speaker 2: are a mix of people like there's my king and
Speaker 2: other people like dude, he's compromised. You had that page
Speaker 2: that the Twitter page up. I saw that reply that
Speaker 2: said something about like, oh, he might not be a
Speaker 2: George Carlin fan. It's like, I'm sorry not to be
Speaker 2: like a George Carlin like lover. But like one of
Speaker 2: George Carlin's most famous bits was about how he was
Speaker 2: ready and excited for the destruction of the entire world.
Speaker 2: Like George Carlin would be loving the era we live
Speaker 2: in right now. Hell, you would be going out being
Speaker 2: like thank god, these capitalist pigs are destroying everything, like
Speaker 2: like going for everyone to see it. Yeah, yeah, it is, Yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean. Bill Burr continues to to to say that shit,
Speaker 2: it's funny to just see like again, how just merely
Speaker 2: again because what he's saying isn't necessarily like novel in
Speaker 2: the sense like no one has said these things, but
Speaker 2: It's that he's connecting his sense of outrage and his
Speaker 2: sort of comedic perspective on how absurd and obscene the
Speaker 2: inequality is around us and our lack of ability to
Speaker 2: contend with any of it, and the absurdity or like
Speaker 2: the capitulation of media, et cetera. Just he's like just
Speaker 2: brings it all together for a lot of people be like, yeah,
Speaker 2: that's right, that's this is this is something so we
Speaker 2: will see I feel like the Democrats are like, do
Speaker 2: we do we get Bill bird a run?
Speaker 6: But no, he would never he would never know that,
Speaker 6: he would never do No. No, But I'm saying, like,
Speaker 6: when you think about how lazy the thinking is, Like
Speaker 6: I saw something where they're like Adam twenty two needs
Speaker 6: to be the new Joe Rogan of the left. I
Speaker 6: was like, Okay, wow, we're.
Speaker 2: Really we're really just think again. The lesson for Democrats
Speaker 2: after this election was we need to find a podcaster.
Speaker 6: That was like, it's not I'm honored that they think that. Yeah, Frank, yeah,
Speaker 6: and you should be too.
Speaker 2: Right, But I'm like, no, motherfuckers, you need to blow
Speaker 2: up the status quo and stand for something in opposition
Speaker 2: to the status quo, because that's the thing that people
Speaker 2: are fucking responding to, not a podcaster. Absolute buffoons. But
Speaker 2: again they're they're here to maintain that. So anyway, let's
Speaker 2: move on. I asked everybody. He said, gave a little
Speaker 2: homework to Caitlin. In June, I said, look, we got
Speaker 2: to a movie trailer I want to talk about for
Speaker 2: the film Primitive War. The trailer just dropped for it,
Speaker 2: and I we have to look. Let me first give
Speaker 2: people the log line about this. I know up top
Speaker 2: it is a non war about dinosaurs. This is the
Speaker 2: log line or the paragraph they used to describe this film.
Speaker 2: Quote set in Vietnam in nineteen sixty eight. What a
Speaker 2: big year for to set this in the Vietnam War.
Speaker 2: The Primitive War movie will follow a search and rescue
Speaker 2: team known as Vulture Squads into an isolated jungle valley
Speaker 2: to reveal the fate of a missing Green Beret platoon.
Speaker 2: As they hunt through the primordial depths of the valley
Speaker 2: and the casualties mount, the Vulture Squad members must embrace
Speaker 2: their savage instincts to survive the horrors they face, interesting
Speaker 2: including the ultimate aprec apex predators, Americans, Oh wait no, dinosaurs.
Speaker 6: Okay, so that's really convenient that dinosaurs were the villains,
Speaker 6: the true villain that that was the first thing that
Speaker 6: struck me.
Speaker 2: So we all watched the trailer, yeah, and I was like,
Speaker 2: this is a weird reframing of such a bad conflict
Speaker 2: that is so on its face backwards and just unjustifiable.
Speaker 6: But then they're like, but then they got.
Speaker 2: Then they got sucked up by the dinosaurs, so then they.
Speaker 6: Were back on their sides. And it's not even just
Speaker 6: like a reframing of entirely what happened. And of course
Speaker 6: it's like fictional and all of that, but I still
Speaker 6: love at the end of the day that the true
Speaker 6: victims of this war were not the people that we,
Speaker 6: the Americans, invaded, but the Americans. Yeah, exactly exactly, they're
Speaker 6: the victims. They were destrayed by the Dynasts.
Speaker 2: Not the Mong people or the people of Laos, where
Speaker 2: tons and tons of munitions were just dropped like a
Speaker 2: fucking drop, like a bomb drop off on their way
Speaker 2: back from doing bombing runs. No, no, no, it's it's
Speaker 2: Jeremy Piven with a bad Southern accent. Caitlin, what's a
Speaker 2: what's your take? On seeing the smashup of Tigerland and
Speaker 2: Jurassic Park.
Speaker 10: Thank you so much for asking. This is my time
Speaker 10: to shine as a thought leader, yes, a.
Speaker 6: Thought leader and film expert.
Speaker 10: Yes, and a master degree haver in cinema. It seems
Speaker 10: to me as though someone wind up.
Speaker 6: It seems.
Speaker 10: I'm an intellectual academic, if you will. It feels like
Speaker 10: someone watched Godzilla minus one and was like, wonderful, great movie,
Speaker 10: got the complete run, and they're like, okay, that, but like,
Speaker 10: let's change it a little bit. It'll be the Vietnam
Speaker 10: War instead of like we know, World War two, it'll
Speaker 10: be it'll be dinosaurs instead of god So, you know
Speaker 10: American afayat right, right, right, and then and then it's
Speaker 10: and then they made that, and you know, I a
Speaker 10: plus filmmaking.
Speaker 6: I think, Yeah, the shot with the knife in the philosophertors,
Speaker 6: I like, I can't lie. That's kind of that was gaster.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm I'm that it's so fucking wacky that I'm like.
Speaker 6: I kind of I might check it out, check this out.
Speaker 6: I might check it out. The perfect slop pure yeah,
Speaker 6: and a lot of adult traded beautiful slop.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's actually I didn't realize this is based on
Speaker 2: existing ip there's a book that came out, mixed on
Speaker 2: a book that the director options. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: but apparently so this is being released in July, which
Speaker 2: not coincidentally is also when Universal is putting out Jurassic
Speaker 2: World Rebirth. So look, we might have a Barbenheimer summer
Speaker 2: with I don't. I mean, they're always trying to make
Speaker 2: this happen. I don't know how we match these two.
Speaker 10: But okay, what's it called Primitive War, Primitive Jurassic.
Speaker 6: World War World War.
Speaker 10: Of the World's, Jurassic Jurassic War of the Primitive.
Speaker 6: World's twenty twenty five, the Year of the Dinosaur.
Speaker 2: Yes, let's yes, exactly, let's put it. Let's yeah, okay,
Speaker 2: let's run that by Hollywood because we do have their number. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and we'll just see what they think. But yeah, this
Speaker 2: is going to be this is like they're calling it
Speaker 2: a mockbuster. I hadn't heard.
Speaker 6: That term before. I haven't either. What is that, did, Caitlin?
Speaker 6: Have you heard this term before? No?
Speaker 10: But I see where it's going.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because they're like, clearly they're not trying to say
Speaker 2: this is like we saw the production quality. It's less
Speaker 2: than big budget studio, but they're.
Speaker 10: Doing not horrible, no like B movie slop.
Speaker 2: Right because they are getting like like they're using a
Speaker 2: lot of visual effects techniques, like the sort of VFX studio,
Speaker 2: like how they did for a lot of Disney shows
Speaker 2: where it's a projected behind them, like clearly you can
Speaker 2: tell there's a lot of blue screen and stuff like that.
Speaker 2: But yeah, this mockbuster sort of thing is interesting because
Speaker 2: then I clicked on another article about how this is
Speaker 2: kind of like becoming like a burgeoning sort of like
Speaker 2: lane where people are like lending, like people from Star
Speaker 2: Wars worked on another movie this director did that had
Speaker 2: Ken Jong in it that I had never heard of before.
Speaker 2: It was called, uh, it's called Occupation Rainfall. Never heard
Speaker 2: of it, but like it only costs like sixteen million
Speaker 2: dollars to make, and then it like it made money
Speaker 2: back from it even though no one really heard about it,
Speaker 2: and like you were like, oh, this is an interesting
Speaker 2: lane where you can kind of turn a profit without
Speaker 2: spending all your money and trying to do all this
Speaker 2: big budget shit.
Speaker 10: Did it get a theatrical release in the US, Like,
Speaker 10: I don't know why they like export it to like
Speaker 10: over it must be like.
Speaker 2: On streaming or some shit, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: I have no idea, but it they apparently people watch
Speaker 2: it and like Temurera Morrison, isn't it who you know
Speaker 2: plays Django fet and was Boba Fett and all the
Speaker 2: Star Wars shit?
Speaker 6: But anyway, is the mockbuster like a natural evolution of
Speaker 6: like like the like early two thousands to like early
Speaker 6: twenty ten's era of like weird parody films where they
Speaker 6: were like kind of not super serious. Everyone knew they
Speaker 6: weren't super serious, but they were still like taken seriously
Speaker 6: as movies. Is this like the next era of that?
Speaker 6: Is that like what it kind of is saying?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's basically sort of like this kind
Speaker 2: of gave way to like the B movie. Yeah, so
Speaker 2: like that were sort of informed by blockbuster films that
Speaker 2: then they're just gonna draft off of and then be like,
Speaker 2: hey what about this kind of thing?
Speaker 10: So someone who recently rewatched cinematic masterpiece Snakes on a Plane, Yes, yes, yes,
Speaker 10: oh on, I feel like there's there's some correlation there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh absolutely absolutely, because like there's there's like also
Speaker 2: other ones like this. There was like a Misus Doubtfire
Speaker 2: sort of send up that was called uh wanted Perfect Father?
Speaker 2: Yeah and A yeah, then have you heard of Titnick?
Speaker 2: These these films are from the Philippines that are using
Speaker 2: there's like a Filipino version that's where the Missus Doubtfire,
Speaker 2: Perfect Wanted Perfect Father came from. And then there's a
Speaker 2: Titanic parody also from the Philippines. And they also have
Speaker 2: Bobo cop a parody of ROBOCOPSA how.
Speaker 10: Do you spell the Titanic one? I need to watch
Speaker 10: this immediately. I can't believe I didn't.
Speaker 6: C A T A Y.
Speaker 2: And I see there's not It's not even hyper LinkedIn
Speaker 2: the Wikipedia article. But I'm sure we can ask Brian,
Speaker 2: the editor, who has found many obscure films for us
Speaker 2: that we've tried to watch, to locate this one for
Speaker 2: us too. Caitlin, the way your face just immediately went
Speaker 2: to your computer from like, I must find this now?
Speaker 6: What is this?
Speaker 4: I thought?
Speaker 10: Because there are so many bad either like knockoff kind
Speaker 10: of Titanic sequel, because there's Titanic two, right, there's Titanic
Speaker 10: six sixty six, There's a bunch of animated movies that
Speaker 10: came out in.
Speaker 2: The late nineties or like Italian or something.
Speaker 10: Yeah, they're yeah, there's like a legend of Titanic is
Speaker 10: one of them, and then I think that's a sequel.
Speaker 6: Legend of is that the one with like the mouse?
Speaker 6: It was a mouse the mouse. I saw that in
Speaker 6: high school and I was blown away. Like one of
Speaker 6: my friends was like, you got to check this shit out.
Speaker 6: It's one of the most astonishingly like bad but like
Speaker 6: good because it's so bad movieever.
Speaker 10: You remember, Yes, tentacles, Yes, the giant octopus. Because not
Speaker 10: to spoil legend of Titanic listeners, but here's what happens.
Speaker 2: Hold on, hold on, hold on, I do I do
Speaker 2: owe a debt of responsibility to the listener. This is
Speaker 2: a spoiler alert. Yeah, just so you know, if you
Speaker 2: need to skip ahead, skip ahead two minutes so you
Speaker 2: don't ruin. What is Titanic too?
Speaker 10: You said, Legend of Titanic animated feature from I think
Speaker 10: nineteen ninety eight. Okay, it is a story in which,
Speaker 10: I mean lots of lots of stuff happens. It's a
Speaker 10: rich text.
Speaker 6: It's very bad, but.
Speaker 10: The climax is basically Titanic strikes the Iceberg, it breaks
Speaker 10: and you know, breaks in half, the all the classic stuff.
Speaker 10: But there's an enormous octopus named Tentacles, and he uses
Speaker 10: his tentacles to put the Titanic back together and he
Speaker 10: saves everyone.
Speaker 6: Oh, it's very positive lives. And if I remember correctly,
Speaker 6: there's like a wonderful like music sequence. It's like a
Speaker 6: film for everyone. Basically, it's what you're trying to say
Speaker 6: exactly exactly.
Speaker 2: Oh wow, wow, wow, fantastic.
Speaker 10: I know we've just blown you away.
Speaker 2: Where can I find that? Where do I watch that?
Speaker 10: On YouTube dot com?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 6: So YouTube?
Speaker 10: Oh I'm pretty sure it's still there.
Speaker 2: That's the best movies though, for real, are on fully
Speaker 2: on YouTube. It's not a good movie on the whole
Speaker 2: thing is on YouTube without ads, that's truly. Or it's
Speaker 2: like broken up into sixteen clips. That's fine because I
Speaker 2: was like earlier back in the day when you had
Speaker 2: to string together.
Speaker 10: Oh yeah, there's like a ten minute time limit on YouTube.
Speaker 3: Remember that?
Speaker 6: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Oh my god? Yeah not now when I just now
Speaker 2: listen to what is love the ten hour loop version.
Speaker 6: Kids these days they don't understand how hard consuming video was.
Speaker 2: No, no, now, sh it's just popping up on their
Speaker 2: servers or whatever the fuck they're using these days.
Speaker 6: It's on your sam phone in your dang little pocket.
Speaker 6: You can pull that up. It's everyone time. Yeah.
Speaker 10: As a speaking as a Jen Alpha child me myself, Yeah,
Speaker 10: I guess I didn't really know what it was like.
Speaker 2: Canonically Gen Alpha yes, yeah, in my head canon, you
Speaker 2: are Jen Alpha. Yeah, thank you.
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