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Speaker 1: Hello the Internet, and welcome to this episode of The

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Speaker 1: Weekly Zeitgeist. These are some of our favorite segments from

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Speaker 1: this week, all edited together into one NonStop infotainment laugh stravaganza. Yeah, so,

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Speaker 1: without further ado, here is the Weekly Zeitgeist.

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Speaker 2: We are very, very very lucky to have this fantastic journalist,

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Speaker 2: someone who covers a lot of stories that don't get

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Speaker 2: enough coverage. If you obviously listen to this show, there's

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Speaker 2: probably a very good chance that you're already familiar with

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Speaker 2: him from his work with Cool Zone Media. It could

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Speaker 2: happen here, et cetera. If not, maybe you know him

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Speaker 2: from his work with places like The Wall Street Journal,

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Speaker 2: National Geographic, etc. Not only is he a fantastic avid cyclist,

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Speaker 2: he's a polyglot and has a PhD in Modern European history,

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Speaker 2: where I merely know trivia from antiquity. Okay, so together

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Speaker 2: we create one of the best trivia teams of all time.

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Speaker 2: Please welcome to the Microphone. James.

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Speaker 3: So Hey, that was great intro. I feel very hyped

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Speaker 3: up on thank you. That was amazing. Yeah, if I

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Speaker 3: ever die, if you could just do the like, you know,

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Speaker 3: the initial bait when they're coming into the funeral. I

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Speaker 3: presume I will die here. He is, Oh you think so, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I think so. I don't feel like I'm immortal.

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Speaker 2: I had a friend recently, like really confessed to me

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Speaker 2: that they were so afraid of dying in like the

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Speaker 2: most real way, And I was like, yeah, man, the

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Speaker 2: thing about that is it's pretty autopoid.

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Speaker 3: Do it?

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Speaker 2: Not much we can do. I would. I would try

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Speaker 2: and sort of have a reckoning with a therapy. I

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Speaker 2: don't know, however, you need to.

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Speaker 4: I mean, that's why people turn to religion, you know,

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Speaker 4: for sure, for sure the idea that. But then then

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Speaker 4: I start getting my head about living forever. I'm like,

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Speaker 4: I don't want that either, forever. My friend, that would

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Speaker 4: suck me up as a kid.

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Speaker 5: You know.

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Speaker 4: When I was like thinking about that.

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Speaker 2: This my friend, he's like the sort of I don't

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Speaker 2: know if like the old Ricky Gervais radio show with

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Speaker 2: Carl Pilkington where you're kind of a straight like he's

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Speaker 2: just like a uniquely strange guy. And and he said

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Speaker 2: it to me so earnestly. I just don't because he

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Speaker 2: was I saw I hit some weird ass supplements and

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Speaker 2: it's kissing. What the fuck is this, He's like, it's

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Speaker 2: like assault. They're like your body absorbed. I'm like, what

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Speaker 2: is that?

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Speaker 6: I can live forever?

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Speaker 2: Guy? No, like he's he's he's getting blood.

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Speaker 6: Boy, he's getting his.

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Speaker 2: Head is turning that way. But he would never actually

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Speaker 2: go through with it. He's just like healthy, Like it's

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Speaker 2: never like but then he'll be also that.

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Speaker 4: It's not your friend is this? But it's very funny

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Speaker 4: that sort of like in the genre of like like techie, billionaire,

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Speaker 4: crypto fascists, whomever, whomever, who are like obsessed with being

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Speaker 4: you know, like the most alpha male that they're like

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Speaker 4: also trying to live forever, meaning they're just like pussy's

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Speaker 4: about dying. Like okay, so you think you're so fucking

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Speaker 4: hard and you're like.

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Speaker 6: Straight up, bro, exactly.

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Speaker 4: Not up and die, Yeah, sooner than later if you're elon.

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Speaker 2: No, like it's no. His is more like a childlike

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Speaker 2: fear of like what happens after It's not even like, bro,

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Speaker 2: I'm too fucking hard to die, Like he's like what if?

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Speaker 2: But then what happened? I'm like, Bro, you are forty

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Speaker 2: years old and you just stop fooling with these supplements man,

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Speaker 2: And I was like, did you you would really go

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Speaker 2: through the like act of seeing many people you know

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Speaker 2: die over and over because you're immortal. He's like, yeah, yeah, okay, man,

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Speaker 2: maybe you should read some vampire books. They seem pretty

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Speaker 2: fucked up and they can live forever.

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Speaker 6: You know.

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Speaker 2: It just says, like a primer more Burke, what is

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Speaker 2: something from your search history that's revealing about who you are?

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Speaker 6: Yo?

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Speaker 7: I was just looking up Carl Jung's explanation of synchronicity

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Speaker 7: just because I find that sort of interesting and I'm

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Speaker 7: noticing more synchronicities of my life.

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Speaker 2: Okay, now I know the Police album Synchronicity, but I'm

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Speaker 2: not much up on Youngian theory.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, you're more into like stings, psychologic series.

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Speaker 6: Yeah wait, what's the way?

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Speaker 2: What happened? What's what? What education?

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Speaker 7: So yeah, yeah, so he just talks about the occurrence

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Speaker 7: of meaningful coincidences that seem to have no cause. So

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Speaker 7: something come for me. It'll be like something will come

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Speaker 7: And he would talk about how that is we find

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Speaker 7: it meaningful because it suggests that things are connected in

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Speaker 7: of this weird, like magical thing that happens. And if

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Speaker 7: it kept people think it suggests you're like on the

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Speaker 8: Like if you notice like a bunch of synchronicities, you mean, yeah, yeah, you.

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Speaker 2: Know, you're probably going in the right direction. That's I

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Speaker 2: think it's like an optimists confirmation bias. You know, that's

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Speaker 8: You know, I've noticed, you know, there was a time

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Speaker 8: when I noticed like a bunch of synchronicities. And then

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Speaker 8: I was like out in a cabin, like in a

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Speaker 8: noticing the shit lining up.

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 8: It was just like kept lining up, and like at night,

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Speaker 8: like looked out my window and saw like other people

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Speaker 2: This is the plot of Us.

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Speaker 7: When you got to the part that the broken your house.

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Speaker 7: I was like, no, no, no, the scot in the story

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Speaker 7: got sad.

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Speaker 6: I was.

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Speaker 2: Look, I didn't I didn't want to be like, motherfucker,

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Speaker 2: this is that's us. And but again I wanted to

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Speaker 2: honor your you.

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Speaker 8: Know, you never know these things you never know.

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Speaker 7: We should have let you described the rest of the podcast.

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Speaker 7: Should have you justrib.

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Speaker 8: We're like, no, what And then and then at the

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Speaker 8: end of the next morning, like a bunch of people

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Speaker 2: America, Chuck, what is something you think is underrated?

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Speaker 6: Uh? Naps?

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Speaker 3: Oh?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I came out. Yeah.

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Speaker 9: I came out very publicly on stuff you should know

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Speaker 9: when we did a full episode on napping, and I

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Speaker 9: came out as a napper, a daily napper if I can.

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Speaker 9: And I got a lot of email from people that

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Speaker 9: not were shaming me, but just you know, I can't

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Speaker 2: I'm not doing nothing, I'm sleeping. Yeah, that's something you're

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Speaker 2: reading charging Yeah. Also, how are we talking here?

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Speaker 6: How long? Well?

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Speaker 9: They say, And this is the you know, the stuff

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Speaker 9: you should know part, like the science of it is

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Speaker 9: is that whatever your your one sleep cycle. One rim

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Speaker 9: over that because both of those can make you feel sleepy.

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Speaker 9: So I set my alarm for forty five minutes, but

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Speaker 9: it usually ends up being like thirty five to forty.

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Speaker 9: I'll just sort of naturally wake up feeling good.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: It's funny when people are like, how do you find

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Speaker 2: the time, and like, meanwhile, we're scrolling on our phones

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Speaker 2: for like an hour and a half street screen time

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Speaker 2: number and ask about your time exactly. Yeah, what do

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Speaker 2: you mean, how do you?

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Speaker 8: Nobody anybody who says that, I guarantee you does nothing

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Speaker 8: for seventy percent of their day, right because because people

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Speaker 8: who are actually busy know how you can find the time.

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Speaker 8: Yeah yeah, but it all depends ye, because we actually

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Speaker 8: have little blocks of time where we are in between

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Speaker 8: ship that we could fucking nap.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Well that's why, you know, we gotta I think

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Speaker 2: we just have to normalize napping across the board, like

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Speaker 2: dreams and things, you know what I mean? Can I

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Speaker 2: all right, so you're a napper? I agree.

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Speaker 8: I was gonna ask you, you know, because some people,

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Speaker 8: And I like my girlfriend naps too much, Like she'll

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Speaker 8: take to sleep for like two to four fucking hours.

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Speaker 8: Like that's not a nap. You're fucking yourself.

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Speaker 2: Up, making it worse. I mean, yes, but like.

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Speaker 8: But also like I you know, I try to do

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Speaker 8: like the set the alarm for like twenty to forty

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Speaker 8: minutes somewhere in that rain. No one that will take

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Speaker 8: me a few minutes to go to sleep. Yeah, blah

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Speaker 8: blah blah. But I also do not nap in my bed.

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Speaker 8: I only save same like actual sleep time for my bed.

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Speaker 8: Is it just like couch or chair napping?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I got a nap.

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Speaker 9: I got a napping couch in my uh my threat,

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Speaker 2: So that's where I go.

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Speaker 9: All right, turn on the white noise actually brown noise,

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Speaker 9: and put on the sleep sleep.

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Speaker 2: Mask and brown noise like a bunch of farts. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: if white noise is this brown noises? Yeah, oh okay,

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Speaker 2: just lowered lower frequencies. Oh I like that too. There's

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Speaker 8: There's also pink noise, I think, yeah, I've heard of Yeah,

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Speaker 2: Bunch of noise. There's a bunch of noises. Yeah, a

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Speaker 2: bunch of noise out there, a bunch of noise. The

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Speaker 2: noise economy is thriving right now. Yeah, Chuck, what is

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Speaker 2: something you think is overrated?

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Speaker 10: Uh?

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Speaker 9: Well, I have a I have a whole list of

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Speaker 9: people I think are both overrated and overexposed that I

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Speaker 9: sort of off about to my friends all the time.

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Speaker 2: Spill that tea.

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Speaker 9: I think we should get Peyton Manning, Dave Groll, Matthew McConaughey,

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Speaker 9: Jimmy Fallon in the Rock and put them on a

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Speaker 9: tell them just to spend a couple of quality years there.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, yeah, I'm tired of all those guys.

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Speaker 8: Okay, I can I can rock with you, except on

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Speaker 8: a rock because I'm a wrestling fan. So he'd become

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Speaker 8: he'd be coming back sometimes.

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Speaker 2: He'd becoming I think that would be tolerable, right, the rock,

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Speaker 2: just coming back to do wrestling. It's all the other stuff.

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Speaker 8: I'm like, that's fair, that's fair, Just too much with

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Speaker 9: He's he's I mean, I'm not a big Dave Girl fan,

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Speaker 9: so I should say I'm probably a little biased. But

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Speaker 9: he's dialed it back a little bit since he got

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Speaker 9: outed with his uh extra marital affair, but before that

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Speaker 9: he was just one of those overexposed guys. He was

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Speaker 9: everywhere all the time, showing up like McConaughey these days,

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Speaker 9: Like I don't need to see Matthew McConaughey on the

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Speaker 9: sideline of every Texas football game fifteen times, you.

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Speaker 2: Know, right, or selling me insurance yeah cars? Oh yeah,

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Speaker 6: Break down, break it down for it you did. Yeah,

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Speaker 10: So how dare he be smirched the good name of butterflies.

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Speaker 6: I love butterflies. I studied biology in college. I love

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Speaker 2: Even like, I feel like there are other ways to

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Speaker 3: So they told they all sold all their shit to

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00:21:18,800 --> 00:21:21,320
Speaker 3: try and buy guns, but guns are very expensive there.

439
00:21:21,720 --> 00:21:24,560
Speaker 3: It's not like it, and so what they started doing

440
00:21:24,600 --> 00:21:27,440
Speaker 3: was three D printing guns using just like two hundred

441
00:21:27,440 --> 00:21:31,119
Speaker 3: dollars three D printers. And the way we came across

442
00:21:31,160 --> 00:21:32,480
Speaker 3: this story was that I found a guy on a

443
00:21:32,520 --> 00:21:35,240
Speaker 3: reddit who was in the gun three D printing subreddit

444
00:21:35,560 --> 00:21:37,800
Speaker 3: posting pictures and I was like, you're not in America,

445
00:21:37,880 --> 00:21:40,480
Speaker 3: Like those pictures aren't in America, right, So I DM

446
00:21:40,520 --> 00:21:41,800
Speaker 3: the guy and it came, man, I think you might

447
00:21:41,840 --> 00:21:44,640
Speaker 3: maybe be in Mema, Like can I come hang out?

448
00:21:44,800 --> 00:21:47,240
Speaker 3: And you know, we chatted for a while and then

449
00:21:47,440 --> 00:21:49,720
Speaker 3: it kind of worked out roughly the area they were,

450
00:21:49,800 --> 00:21:52,080
Speaker 3: and I went over and we visited them and we

451
00:21:52,119 --> 00:21:53,960
Speaker 3: talked to them about like what it was like to

452
00:21:54,040 --> 00:21:57,400
Speaker 3: kind of they had no support from anyone, right, like

453
00:21:57,560 --> 00:22:00,919
Speaker 3: all the governments of the world, the UN, the US, EU,

454
00:22:01,040 --> 00:22:03,720
Speaker 3: all these places where we talk about democracy, like, they

455
00:22:03,760 --> 00:22:06,200
Speaker 3: didn't do shit when people were being killed in the streets.

456
00:22:06,359 --> 00:22:09,359
Speaker 3: On twenty fifth of April Armed Forces Day, one hundred

457
00:22:09,359 --> 00:22:11,400
Speaker 3: and fifteen people were killed in a single day at

458
00:22:11,400 --> 00:22:15,720
Speaker 3: a protest unarmed right, not aggressive, not that it matters,

459
00:22:15,720 --> 00:22:18,760
Speaker 3: they shouldn't be killed anyway, but that was kind of

460
00:22:18,800 --> 00:22:21,639
Speaker 3: the big changing point for people, and they realized that, like,

461
00:22:21,640 --> 00:22:23,040
Speaker 3: if they needed to fight back, they needed to fight

462
00:22:23,080 --> 00:22:25,160
Speaker 3: back with guns, and the word wasn't going to give

463
00:22:25,160 --> 00:22:27,920
Speaker 3: them to them, but some people on Reddit did, and

464
00:22:28,280 --> 00:22:31,720
Speaker 3: so they went into jungle with their three D printers

465
00:22:31,920 --> 00:22:34,439
Speaker 3: and set up these print farms in the jungle, and

466
00:22:34,840 --> 00:22:37,600
Speaker 3: they started out with printer guns. Those guns allowed them

467
00:22:37,600 --> 00:22:40,359
Speaker 3: to acquire better guns, and they fundraised. The way they

468
00:22:40,359 --> 00:22:43,720
Speaker 3: fundraised is fascinating too. They have these hued telegram channels

469
00:22:43,840 --> 00:22:47,600
Speaker 3: for the revolution right, and they use pay per click adverts,

470
00:22:48,000 --> 00:22:50,639
Speaker 3: So they do YouTube videos or write stories with pay

471
00:22:50,680 --> 00:22:54,240
Speaker 3: per click adverts in them and then direct like ten thousand,

472
00:22:54,480 --> 00:22:56,919
Speaker 3: one hundred thousand people to go to the article and

473
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Speaker 3: click the advert, and that they generate revenue.

474
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Speaker 2: Holy shit. Yeah, the guys like yeah, gaming basically paid

475
00:23:05,800 --> 00:23:09,080
Speaker 2: media like for the Yeah.

476
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Speaker 4: I like selling mud coffee is like, well, I'm helping

477
00:23:11,520 --> 00:23:15,720
Speaker 4: the mean mar revolution. Uh no, that is why it's

478
00:23:15,760 --> 00:23:20,640
Speaker 4: it's like the most gen Z revolution and and it's yeah,

479
00:23:20,680 --> 00:23:25,439
Speaker 4: I mean I think that just thinking about how things

480
00:23:25,480 --> 00:23:28,280
Speaker 4: got this way and just like watching like in preparation

481
00:23:28,359 --> 00:23:31,400
Speaker 4: for this, watching like a quick little explainer and realizing, yeah,

482
00:23:31,400 --> 00:23:35,080
Speaker 4: that the international community has been, despite a lot of

483
00:23:35,280 --> 00:23:37,879
Speaker 4: cries from the UN, kind of a zero on this,

484
00:23:37,960 --> 00:23:42,600
Speaker 4: and there's been no coordinated response, unlike the response to

485
00:23:42,880 --> 00:23:46,159
Speaker 4: you know, Russia during the invasion of Ukraine, you know,

486
00:23:46,200 --> 00:23:48,760
Speaker 4: and on and on. It's like that me and Mar

487
00:23:48,760 --> 00:23:51,920
Speaker 4: has largely been left to its own devices, and China

488
00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:56,040
Speaker 4: and Russia are actually fueling the obviously the military side

489
00:23:56,440 --> 00:23:59,479
Speaker 4: of it, and and so they've got plenty of weapons there.

490
00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:02,639
Speaker 4: And what's crazy to also learned about, like the history,

491
00:24:02,840 --> 00:24:10,320
Speaker 4: is that the army has representation in parliament like heats well,

492
00:24:10,440 --> 00:24:13,399
Speaker 4: is just fucking like any kind of like you know,

493
00:24:13,960 --> 00:24:15,680
Speaker 4: any kind of country trying to be a democracy, Like

494
00:24:15,720 --> 00:24:18,359
Speaker 4: that's wild. That's so terrifying.

495
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Speaker 3: Yeah, And like for years the US kind of boosted

496
00:24:21,600 --> 00:24:25,159
Speaker 3: this kind of ensan Succi like way. Of transitioning to democracy.

497
00:24:26,040 --> 00:24:28,240
Speaker 3: It's going to be the next growth economy in Asia.

498
00:24:28,320 --> 00:24:31,840
Speaker 3: They called them tiger economies for a while, and the

499
00:24:31,960 --> 00:24:36,160
Speaker 3: US really didn't demand inclusion for those different ethnic groups, right,

500
00:24:36,200 --> 00:24:38,320
Speaker 3: but they stood up and fort fit themselves. And I

501
00:24:38,320 --> 00:24:41,440
Speaker 3: think in a sense, like it don't get me wrong,

502
00:24:41,480 --> 00:24:43,240
Speaker 3: it fucking sucks how many people have died. Some of

503
00:24:43,240 --> 00:24:45,119
Speaker 3: those people are people I really cared about, and it

504
00:24:45,200 --> 00:24:47,440
Speaker 3: was really hard to lose them. And like the revolution

505
00:24:47,560 --> 00:24:49,919
Speaker 3: has been hard for a lot of people, right, Like

506
00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:52,119
Speaker 3: four years at war. It's not a joke. Like some

507
00:24:52,200 --> 00:24:55,199
Speaker 3: of these people, you know, they're nineteen twenty now, they

508
00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:57,680
Speaker 3: were sixteen years old when they started seeing people die

509
00:24:57,680 --> 00:25:00,439
Speaker 3: every day, and that they shouldn't have to anyone. But

510
00:25:00,600 --> 00:25:04,359
Speaker 3: like because they haven't had so much of this, like

511
00:25:04,800 --> 00:25:07,679
Speaker 3: his aid from the United States, his aid from the

512
00:25:07,840 --> 00:25:10,360
Speaker 3: European Union, and then you will have a nice neoliberal

513
00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:13,760
Speaker 3: democracy afterwards. Like they've done it themselves and they found

514
00:25:13,760 --> 00:25:17,080
Speaker 3: their own way, and like that gives me a lot

515
00:25:17,080 --> 00:25:20,360
Speaker 3: of hope because like nobody came to help them, right,

516
00:25:20,440 --> 00:25:23,800
Speaker 3: they did it all by themselves, and they built something

517
00:25:23,920 --> 00:25:26,879
Speaker 3: really beautiful as a result. That like isn't you know,

518
00:25:27,119 --> 00:25:29,040
Speaker 3: I'm sure there's someone on Twitter dot com he thinks

519
00:25:29,040 --> 00:25:31,320
Speaker 3: it's a fucking color revolution. But those people are dumb.

520
00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:36,119
Speaker 3: Like these people entirely from their own refusal to be

521
00:25:36,200 --> 00:25:38,920
Speaker 3: like under the boot heel of the state, have created

522
00:25:38,920 --> 00:25:41,840
Speaker 3: this beautiful revolution that's liberated half the country. And in

523
00:25:41,920 --> 00:25:45,520
Speaker 3: the process they've like so to give an example, right,

524
00:25:45,520 --> 00:25:49,320
Speaker 3: the Rahinja genocide happened in Mianma, and it happened largely

525
00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:53,440
Speaker 3: because Facebook doesn't have any content moderation in Burmese, right yep,

526
00:25:53,600 --> 00:25:58,520
Speaker 3: And that allowed for horrific Islamophobic lies to spread through

527
00:25:58,520 --> 00:26:01,200
Speaker 3: the Hunter's botnet for a large part. Right that they

528
00:26:01,200 --> 00:26:03,159
Speaker 3: have a huge network of bots. You can see them

529
00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:07,840
Speaker 3: in the replies to my tweets. This happened less than

530
00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:10,639
Speaker 3: a decade ago, right, like in Islamophobia was like and

531
00:26:10,680 --> 00:26:14,639
Speaker 3: there's a massively British nationalist movement in Memmar which draws

532
00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:17,520
Speaker 3: inspiration from groups of the English Defense League, like right

533
00:26:17,560 --> 00:26:21,200
Speaker 3: wing anti immigrant groups, and this was pretty much the population,

534
00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:24,520
Speaker 3: with some notable exceptions from the anarchists, the punk movement

535
00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:27,240
Speaker 3: and other groups who are opposed in the genocide. Let

536
00:26:27,280 --> 00:26:30,879
Speaker 3: it happen right now. This earthquake that happened is sagang

537
00:26:31,160 --> 00:26:34,800
Speaker 3: In on Friday, right seven point seven earthquake. It happened

538
00:26:35,160 --> 00:26:38,320
Speaker 3: during Friday prayers the day before Eid, right, Id being

539
00:26:38,320 --> 00:26:40,680
Speaker 3: the festival at the end of Ramadan. People aren't familiar.

540
00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:43,880
Speaker 3: It's kind of like church at Easter for Christians. Right.

541
00:26:44,080 --> 00:26:46,399
Speaker 3: So a lot of people are at mosques now because

542
00:26:46,440 --> 00:26:50,520
Speaker 3: the country has fundamentally sort of aligned Buddhism with being

543
00:26:50,600 --> 00:26:54,800
Speaker 3: Burmese for decades. Mosques haven't been allowed to build or

544
00:26:54,840 --> 00:26:57,960
Speaker 3: repair their structures since nineteen sixty two. So all the

545
00:26:58,000 --> 00:27:03,280
Speaker 3: fucking mosques fell down during Friday prayers and like, this

546
00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:07,639
Speaker 3: is horrific. It would have been inconceivable five years ago

547
00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:11,800
Speaker 3: for twenty three year old Bahma Buddhist people to be like,

548
00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:14,119
Speaker 3: hey man, this happened during Friday prayers and all the

549
00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:15,919
Speaker 3: mosque had been destroyed, and like, what can we do

550
00:27:16,040 --> 00:27:18,480
Speaker 3: to help the Muslim community in these places? Like how

551
00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:22,600
Speaker 3: can we reach out to solidarity groups from Muslim communities

552
00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:25,359
Speaker 3: around the world, Like that would never have happened five

553
00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:28,880
Speaker 3: years ago, right, And like that they've built that solidarity

554
00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:34,120
Speaker 3: now and just from like sharing experiences, right and realizing

555
00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:36,920
Speaker 3: that there's a lot more that unites them that divides them,

556
00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:38,320
Speaker 3: you know, likewise.

557
00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:41,120
Speaker 4: So that's happening now, that's a conversation in the wake

558
00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:45,159
Speaker 4: of the Rohinga obviously genocide the Muslim minority and the

559
00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:49,080
Speaker 4: fallout and the Hunter turning people against them. That now

560
00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:53,000
Speaker 4: when this happens and these mosques are you know, disborginately

561
00:27:53,040 --> 00:27:56,320
Speaker 4: so many Muslims have been killed, that like there's solidarity

562
00:27:56,359 --> 00:27:59,080
Speaker 4: now because of their revolution and what it has built.

563
00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:02,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, because they began they were the same They were

564
00:28:02,280 --> 00:28:06,199
Speaker 3: attacked by the Hunter the same way that Muslim people were, right,

565
00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:08,439
Speaker 3: and they saw the Hunter doing the same shit, and

566
00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:10,919
Speaker 3: they realized, like, this is how the state operates. It

567
00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:12,800
Speaker 3: turns up against each other, so we don't turn against

568
00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:17,119
Speaker 3: it and like not there are resistance groups which are

569
00:28:17,119 --> 00:28:20,040
Speaker 3: still Islamophobic and will still like there's been there have

570
00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:24,080
Speaker 3: been serious problems with killing of Rehinja people, and then

571
00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:26,639
Speaker 3: the Hunter has trying to turn co op the Rehder people.

572
00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:29,320
Speaker 3: Like it's absolutely insane that the people who did the

573
00:28:29,359 --> 00:28:34,119
Speaker 3: genocide have now got Hinji people fighting alongside them. Some

574
00:28:34,160 --> 00:28:36,320
Speaker 3: of those people are forcibly conscripted, but some of them

575
00:28:36,359 --> 00:28:39,640
Speaker 3: are not. So like that, there are still definitely issues,

576
00:28:39,680 --> 00:28:43,640
Speaker 3: but Yeah, to have young Burma folks like messaging me

577
00:28:43,760 --> 00:28:46,520
Speaker 3: concerned about Muslim people and this has happened, Like this

578
00:28:46,560 --> 00:28:49,280
Speaker 3: isn't just a Muslim Buddhist thing, right, Like you'll see

579
00:28:49,320 --> 00:28:51,800
Speaker 3: it with for instance, women fighting on the front line now,

580
00:28:51,840 --> 00:28:54,720
Speaker 3: which would have been inconceivable five or six years ago.

581
00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:55,000
Speaker 2: Right.

582
00:28:55,480 --> 00:28:57,320
Speaker 3: One of my friends told me a story that I

583
00:28:57,440 --> 00:29:00,360
Speaker 3: like to repeat, where like in Burmese culture, it's really

584
00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:03,640
Speaker 3: a taboo for men to walk under a woman's like

585
00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:06,760
Speaker 3: under garments. I guess like they would they would like

586
00:29:06,800 --> 00:29:10,240
Speaker 3: lose their masculine energy if they did that, if they're

587
00:29:10,280 --> 00:29:12,200
Speaker 3: like drying across the street. You know, have people tried

588
00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:12,840
Speaker 3: to clo oh.

589
00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:16,360
Speaker 2: I was like, how would you walk onder? Like you're

590
00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:17,160
Speaker 2: violating it.

591
00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:18,560
Speaker 6: They just h you're doing the.

592
00:29:18,560 --> 00:29:20,880
Speaker 4: Limbo underneath someone's skirt, Like what's happening?

593
00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:26,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, important context missing. It's taboo to do the limb

594
00:29:26,280 --> 00:29:27,840
Speaker 3: like someone's skirt, I think in most part.

595
00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:31,160
Speaker 4: So it's it's like it's like like like walking under

596
00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:33,360
Speaker 4: a ladder seven years bad luck. But if you walk

597
00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:35,719
Speaker 4: under a clothesline with panties.

598
00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:40,040
Speaker 3: Like you yeah, immediately so your matro energy. So like

599
00:29:40,360 --> 00:29:42,200
Speaker 3: they were they had a barricade, right, and they had

600
00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:43,960
Speaker 3: set some tires on fire and they're trying to stop

601
00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:45,720
Speaker 3: the cops coming in, but the cops are still coming in.

602
00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:48,440
Speaker 3: And then they were like, oh, ship, what about this

603
00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:51,280
Speaker 3: taboo thing? And so the girls like picked off their

604
00:29:51,320 --> 00:29:53,400
Speaker 3: ship put it on the washing line, right, and the

605
00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:54,239
Speaker 3: cops didn't come in.

606
00:29:55,720 --> 00:30:01,080
Speaker 4: That's amazing. Yeah, use their own homophobia against.

607
00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:01,680
Speaker 6: Them, Yeah, totally.

608
00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:04,520
Speaker 3: And like for like, you know, twenty year old guys

609
00:30:04,560 --> 00:30:06,680
Speaker 3: that don't generally like the great at this but like

610
00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:08,880
Speaker 3: to have like twenty year old guys being like and

611
00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:14,120
Speaker 3: that's how sexism hurt to everyone is like, yeah, you know, that's.

612
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Speaker 4: What I want to Sorry, Miles, I'm sure I just

613
00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:19,000
Speaker 4: like wanted to ask because like the headline I woke

614
00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:23,280
Speaker 4: up to today was that the government is has bombed

615
00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:28,200
Speaker 4: the areas that were affected by the earthquakes. So every

616
00:30:28,320 --> 00:30:31,960
Speaker 4: day really But okay, so can you just explain how

617
00:30:32,120 --> 00:30:37,040
Speaker 4: since the earthquake the war hasn't stopped? I mean, yeah, well,

618
00:30:37,080 --> 00:30:39,760
Speaker 4: and how is that turning people against them? Possibly?

619
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Speaker 3: Yeah, So the PDF, which is the mainly Bama sort

620
00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:48,400
Speaker 3: of revolutionary forces that's slightly distinct in their command structure

621
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Speaker 3: from the ethnic revolutionary organizations, and there was something called

622
00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:54,360
Speaker 3: a National National Unity Government which was formed of the

623
00:30:54,360 --> 00:30:56,760
Speaker 3: people who were elected and then deposed by the coup.

624
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Speaker 6: Right.

625
00:30:57,440 --> 00:30:59,920
Speaker 3: Not everyone is fighting necessarily to install the energy, but

626
00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:03,280
Speaker 3: ENUG and the PDF declared a ceasefire for two weeks

627
00:31:03,320 --> 00:31:06,280
Speaker 3: after the earthquake. Some of them even offered to go

628
00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:09,480
Speaker 3: into Hunter control territory to help a risk to their own.

629
00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:10,920
Speaker 4: Lives, right, because they were fighting each other.

630
00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:13,280
Speaker 3: They were no, the ENUG and the PDF and the

631
00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:15,280
Speaker 3: Eros are fighting against the Hunter.

632
00:31:15,320 --> 00:31:16,920
Speaker 4: Right, but they were. They were like, we won't we'll

633
00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:17,400
Speaker 4: start yeah.

634
00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:19,920
Speaker 3: Yeah. They're like, oh, we won't bring our weapons. We

635
00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:20,640
Speaker 3: want to come help.

636
00:31:20,840 --> 00:31:21,479
Speaker 6: That was denied.

637
00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:25,360
Speaker 3: They So what the Hunter of Dying response is continue

638
00:31:25,360 --> 00:31:27,440
Speaker 3: to bomb civilian targets, right, which is something that it

639
00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:30,640
Speaker 3: has done since the coup began. It's because they get

640
00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:33,360
Speaker 3: their ass handed to them in like small arms combat. Right,

641
00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:36,240
Speaker 3: Like if they're fighting, if two groups of soldiers are fighting,

642
00:31:36,920 --> 00:31:40,480
Speaker 3: the Hunter soldiers are conscripts. Their weapons are absolutely shipped

643
00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:43,719
Speaker 3: here like I've never seen worse maintained weapons. But they

644
00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:48,600
Speaker 3: just rely heavily on drones, artillery and air strikes. Right,

645
00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:53,120
Speaker 3: And they've continually as struck civilian targets. They as struck

646
00:31:53,280 --> 00:31:57,480
Speaker 3: Karni Christians during Christmas celebrations, right, they as struck kitchen

647
00:31:57,520 --> 00:32:02,280
Speaker 3: civilians during a Kagen music festival. Jesus, they like they

648
00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:05,520
Speaker 3: are on some like a sad regime level shit, but

649
00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:08,040
Speaker 3: the world just doesn't report on it, like or it

650
00:32:08,080 --> 00:32:10,000
Speaker 3: doesn't get reported on it as much. So, Yeah, they

651
00:32:10,040 --> 00:32:13,440
Speaker 3: did continue air striking even when so it looked like

652
00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:16,440
Speaker 3: in the day of the earthquake like that afternoon. I

653
00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:18,720
Speaker 3: don't know if their runways were damaged. It seems like

654
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Speaker 3: maybe not because they've been doing regular asteroiics since they

655
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Speaker 3: used fucking paramotors.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I saw you post about that.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like to drop bombs like they couldn't take

659
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Speaker 3: a break like a half day on rhyming civilians. They

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Speaker 3: continue to keep bombing shit. And now they're demanding international aid, right, Like,

661
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Speaker 3: I think we need to be really careful that what

662
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Speaker 3: they will do is hold that aid. They will use

663
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Speaker 3: it against a revolution and they did this with cyclone

664
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Speaker 3: nargots in two thousand and eight. Right, they have declined

665
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Speaker 3: they won't let certain aid come in. They didn't let

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Speaker 3: a Taiwanese rescue team enter like they'll let Chinese, they'll

667
00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:57,760
Speaker 3: let Russian, right, I think that's an Indian group, Vietnamese.

668
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Speaker 3: They're fucking down with North Korea. So I don't think

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Speaker 3: North Korea will be sending help. But like they get

670
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Speaker 3: weapons from North Korea, they'll let those people come in,

671
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Speaker 3: but they wouldn't let other international aid come in. And

672
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Speaker 3: they did this with nagats a US warship is south

673
00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:13,080
Speaker 3: of the coast, and they were like, no, we don't

674
00:33:13,080 --> 00:33:16,840
Speaker 3: want the stuff that you have. So like they will

675
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Speaker 3: continue to use this as an opportunity. They don't care

676
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Speaker 3: how many civilians for dying. It will be very hard

677
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Speaker 3: for you to get accurate numbers on how many civilians

678
00:33:25,360 --> 00:33:28,720
Speaker 3: have died a because they don't care, and be because

679
00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:32,080
Speaker 3: they don't want to look bad, you know, they don't

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Speaker 3: want to put that out there.

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Speaker 4: Are there estimates, I mean, are there entities that do

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Speaker 4: kind of an estimates of the toll, that's all.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I saw the US Geological Survey had said that a

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Speaker 3: quake of that magnitude and that location would result in

686
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Speaker 3: between ten and one hundred thousand death, which is obviously

687
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Speaker 3: a pretty big number. We can expect to see the

688
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Speaker 3: death toll go up. I've heard from people in everyone's

689
00:33:51,800 --> 00:33:54,640
Speaker 3: still sleeping outside and lots of places because of aftershocks.

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00:33:54,840 --> 00:33:57,880
Speaker 3: People have left their neighborhood because of the smell of

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Speaker 3: rotting bodies in the color acted buildings, right, And they've

692
00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:06,520
Speaker 3: been trying to get people out themselves, right, pulling stones off.

693
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Speaker 3: The National Unity Government and the PDF have a large

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Speaker 3: number of elephants that they liberated from the Hunter's timber camp.

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Speaker 3: So they'd be, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, I.

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Speaker 4: Love that you didn't mention that freed elephant.

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Speaker 6: I love this.

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Speaker 3: They have an elephant unit. They have like an elephant.

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Speaker 3: I'm hoping to go and spend some time with them.

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Speaker 3: I feel like it's one of the last chances in

701
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Speaker 3: human history for someone to ride an elephant to war,

702
00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:36,759
Speaker 3: like put it on the resume. But also like, of course,

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00:34:37,239 --> 00:34:39,799
Speaker 3: the elephants are like a symbol of Burma, and they

704
00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:41,839
Speaker 3: were being mistreated by the Hunter, right, and they didn't

705
00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:43,560
Speaker 3: want them to fall into the black market, so they

706
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Speaker 3: liberated these elephants and they're living with a PLA now,

707
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Speaker 3: which is one of these resistance groups. But yeah, they

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Speaker 3: use the elephants to clear the rubble. They've used whatever

709
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Speaker 3: vehicles they have, but they desperately need international support and

710
00:34:55,360 --> 00:34:57,080
Speaker 3: the Hunter's not going to let them get it. And

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00:34:57,120 --> 00:34:59,560
Speaker 3: as a result, way more people will die than need

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00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:01,960
Speaker 3: to die. Plus you combine that with fucking we've cut

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Speaker 3: USAID now, right, Yes, eighteen case officers I believe got

714
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Speaker 3: laid off the day of the earthquake, like the I know,

715
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Speaker 3: the World Food Program already scaled back operations in Myanmar

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Speaker 3: because of this, like and globally there's kind of a

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Speaker 3: reduction in funding for humanitarian aid, right, so that's it's

718
00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:21,719
Speaker 3: like a double whammy. I know that, like when they

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Speaker 3: shut down USAID funding. You know, when Elon Musk and

720
00:35:24,600 --> 00:35:27,799
Speaker 3: his little kids went into the USAIDA and shut it down.

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Speaker 3: Like I'm aware that they literally turned off life support

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Speaker 3: machines in some refugee camps. I'm aware of women having

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Speaker 3: to give birth outside of like locked clinics.

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Speaker 4: Jesus Christ.

725
00:35:39,480 --> 00:35:42,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's a lot of Burmese refugees end up

726
00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:45,239
Speaker 3: living just across the border in Thailand and USAID has

727
00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:47,960
Speaker 3: and this is wrong, Like it's institution itself kind of

728
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Speaker 3: as the only provider in some of those cases, or

729
00:35:50,719 --> 00:35:54,359
Speaker 3: it's like one of the main ways to get medical care.

730
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Speaker 3: So when it pulled out, at least people really in

731
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Speaker 3: a shit situation.

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Speaker 2: Well, let's another quick break. I have a couple questions

733
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Speaker 2: and you know, and also a bit of optimism to offer,

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Speaker 2: I think, James, because you do you do see that

735
00:36:11,400 --> 00:36:13,879
Speaker 2: there is something inspiring about everything that's happening. So let's

736
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Speaker 2: take a quick break and we'll come right back, and

737
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Speaker 2: we're back. Bill Burr, he has been getting a lot

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Speaker 2: of attention recently because he's you know, says funny shit

739
00:36:34,600 --> 00:36:37,000
Speaker 2: and is mean to Elon Musk and hates billionaires, so

740
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Speaker 2: that that's kind of getting people's attention. But recently he

741
00:36:40,880 --> 00:36:43,719
Speaker 2: was at this Kennedy Center event where Conan O'Brien was

742
00:36:43,760 --> 00:36:48,280
Speaker 2: getting like the Mark Twain Prize, and these journalists really

743
00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:50,840
Speaker 2: tried to like do this thing where they wanted to

744
00:36:50,920 --> 00:36:53,440
Speaker 2: kind of poke the beehive and try and get like

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00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:56,439
Speaker 2: a quote out of him and maybe some news. And

746
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Speaker 2: Bill Burr, I mean credit to him, he knew exactly

747
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Speaker 2: what the fuck was going on, and it's just this

748
00:37:02,040 --> 00:37:03,920
Speaker 2: is just I just want to play this exchange because

749
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Speaker 2: it's very interesting to see how like the media was

750
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Speaker 2: going to try and get a little bit more sort

751
00:37:08,719 --> 00:37:10,880
Speaker 2: of stuff that they'd like try and maybe paint his

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00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:13,000
Speaker 2: words or his worldview as being like, I mean, look

753
00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:13,440
Speaker 2: at look at.

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00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:13,879
Speaker 6: What he said.

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00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:18,680
Speaker 2: He's crazy, He's off the mark. He said, Elon Musk

756
00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:21,400
Speaker 2: is a laminated face with air plugs.

757
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Speaker 6: Cunt. That's so terrible.

758
00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:23,640
Speaker 8: Wow.

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Speaker 2: So here is Bill Burr on the red carpet, just

760
00:37:27,719 --> 00:37:29,719
Speaker 2: trying to support Conan O'Brien, and he gets hit with,

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00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:30,960
Speaker 2: hey man, what about Luigi ma.

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00:37:33,400 --> 00:37:36,719
Speaker 4: That your reaction to Luigi Maggion is reading up? You

763
00:37:36,760 --> 00:37:39,120
Speaker 4: know that perhaps you've been supportive of what he did.

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Speaker 6: What is your take on that?

765
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Speaker 5: So if you were reading up, I don't think you

766
00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:43,800
Speaker 5: read up on it because I said what I felt

767
00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:44,959
Speaker 5: about it, and I said what a lot.

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Speaker 2: Of people said took it that way? So could you

769
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Speaker 2: clarify how well you No, I'm.

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Speaker 5: Not going to just have some controversial moments.

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Speaker 2: You can get clicks. I'm not doing that. I mean,

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Speaker 2: I'm hit a for Conan. I'm not I'm not doing

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00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:56,880
Speaker 2: all of this. What are gonna bring up next to

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00:37:57,040 --> 00:37:57,680
Speaker 2: the Middle East?

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Speaker 5: I went to summer school three four years in high school.

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Speaker 5: I'm not qualified to talk about this.

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Speaker 10: Warming about Elon that he was ruining ear if I

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00:38:08,520 --> 00:38:10,960
Speaker 10: saw in the view you're critical of him?

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Speaker 2: What do you think of all the boycotts, even the viol.

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Speaker 6: I don't watch the I don't watch the news. I

781
00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:16,400
Speaker 6: have no idea what's going on.

782
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Speaker 2: I watch Instagram.

783
00:38:18,040 --> 00:38:20,880
Speaker 5: I watched people wipe out on motorcycles. I watch lions

784
00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:22,200
Speaker 5: and hyenas fight each other.

785
00:38:22,560 --> 00:38:23,600
Speaker 3: This is the things that I do.

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Speaker 5: And I don't think you should be asking a comedian.

787
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Speaker 6: Your GM medians are on top of turn events.

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Speaker 5: You're no, no, that's that's weak that you guys passing

789
00:38:33,160 --> 00:38:36,080
Speaker 5: the buck. You guys need to have balls again, which

790
00:38:36,080 --> 00:38:38,080
Speaker 5: you don't. You guys always goes.

791
00:38:38,280 --> 00:38:39,799
Speaker 6: Should we be thinking this?

792
00:38:41,080 --> 00:38:43,040
Speaker 5: He dous presents stuff like that, you used to guys,

793
00:38:43,160 --> 00:38:45,680
Speaker 5: just have balls. You get your balls back, and it's

794
00:38:45,719 --> 00:38:47,440
Speaker 5: not my job. I am a dancing clown.

795
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Speaker 6: God is he's so real for that? Like, I respect

796
00:38:50,520 --> 00:38:54,200
Speaker 6: that so much because, like I just mentioned earlier that

797
00:38:54,320 --> 00:38:56,640
Speaker 6: like so many people look at comedians as like the

798
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Speaker 6: profits of today's age is like having a perspective of that.

799
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Speaker 6: Surely no one else can. But they're trying to catch

800
00:39:03,120 --> 00:39:06,400
Speaker 6: them up with that because he's straying away from like

801
00:39:06,440 --> 00:39:09,000
Speaker 6: the right wing version of that where like Joe Rogan

802
00:39:09,040 --> 00:39:12,000
Speaker 6: sits down all right, today we will Today we will

803
00:39:12,040 --> 00:39:15,439
Speaker 6: learn about how vaccines are killing everyone, right, and people

804
00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:17,760
Speaker 6: like seals right exactly.

805
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Speaker 2: And I think it's funny too. All the comments this,

806
00:39:20,560 --> 00:39:22,800
Speaker 2: this is a clip from Twitter, Like the comments underneath

807
00:39:22,840 --> 00:39:25,160
Speaker 2: are a mix of people like there's my king and

808
00:39:25,200 --> 00:39:29,440
Speaker 2: other people like dude, he's compromised. You had that page

809
00:39:29,480 --> 00:39:32,560
Speaker 2: that the Twitter page up. I saw that reply that

810
00:39:32,600 --> 00:39:34,920
Speaker 2: said something about like, oh, he might not be a

811
00:39:35,080 --> 00:39:37,520
Speaker 2: George Carlin fan. It's like, I'm sorry not to be

812
00:39:37,600 --> 00:39:40,440
Speaker 2: like a George Carlin like lover. But like one of

813
00:39:40,480 --> 00:39:43,000
Speaker 2: George Carlin's most famous bits was about how he was

814
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Speaker 2: ready and excited for the destruction of the entire world.

815
00:39:47,080 --> 00:39:50,040
Speaker 2: Like George Carlin would be loving the era we live

816
00:39:50,080 --> 00:39:52,160
Speaker 2: in right now. Hell, you would be going out being

817
00:39:52,239 --> 00:39:56,480
Speaker 2: like thank god, these capitalist pigs are destroying everything, like

818
00:39:56,600 --> 00:39:59,919
Speaker 2: like going for everyone to see it. Yeah, yeah, it is, Yeah,

819
00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:04,279
Speaker 2: I mean. Bill Burr continues to to to say that shit,

820
00:40:04,440 --> 00:40:08,040
Speaker 2: it's funny to just see like again, how just merely

821
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Speaker 2: again because what he's saying isn't necessarily like novel in

822
00:40:12,280 --> 00:40:14,040
Speaker 2: the sense like no one has said these things, but

823
00:40:14,120 --> 00:40:16,480
Speaker 2: It's that he's connecting his sense of outrage and his

824
00:40:16,520 --> 00:40:19,960
Speaker 2: sort of comedic perspective on how absurd and obscene the

825
00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:22,920
Speaker 2: inequality is around us and our lack of ability to

826
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Speaker 2: contend with any of it, and the absurdity or like

827
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Speaker 2: the capitulation of media, et cetera. Just he's like just

828
00:40:28,960 --> 00:40:31,120
Speaker 2: brings it all together for a lot of people be like, yeah,

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Speaker 2: that's right, that's this is this is something so we

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Speaker 2: will see I feel like the Democrats are like, do

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Speaker 2: we do we get Bill bird a run?

832
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Speaker 6: But no, he would never he would never know that,

833
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Speaker 6: he would never do No. No, But I'm saying, like,

834
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Speaker 6: when you think about how lazy the thinking is, Like

835
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Speaker 6: I saw something where they're like Adam twenty two needs

836
00:40:50,480 --> 00:40:53,560
Speaker 6: to be the new Joe Rogan of the left. I

837
00:40:53,600 --> 00:40:56,680
Speaker 6: was like, Okay, wow, we're.

838
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Speaker 2: Really we're really just think again. The lesson for Democrats

839
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Speaker 2: after this election was we need to find a podcaster.

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Speaker 6: That was like, it's not I'm honored that they think that. Yeah, Frank, yeah,

841
00:41:07,239 --> 00:41:08,280
Speaker 6: and you should be too.

842
00:41:08,520 --> 00:41:11,319
Speaker 2: Right, But I'm like, no, motherfuckers, you need to blow

843
00:41:11,400 --> 00:41:14,040
Speaker 2: up the status quo and stand for something in opposition

844
00:41:14,080 --> 00:41:16,200
Speaker 2: to the status quo, because that's the thing that people

845
00:41:16,239 --> 00:41:20,640
Speaker 2: are fucking responding to, not a podcaster. Absolute buffoons. But

846
00:41:20,719 --> 00:41:24,000
Speaker 2: again they're they're here to maintain that. So anyway, let's

847
00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:27,839
Speaker 2: move on. I asked everybody. He said, gave a little

848
00:41:27,840 --> 00:41:29,719
Speaker 2: homework to Caitlin. In June, I said, look, we got

849
00:41:29,760 --> 00:41:32,719
Speaker 2: to a movie trailer I want to talk about for

850
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Speaker 2: the film Primitive War. The trailer just dropped for it,

851
00:41:37,880 --> 00:41:41,440
Speaker 2: and I we have to look. Let me first give

852
00:41:41,480 --> 00:41:43,560
Speaker 2: people the log line about this. I know up top

853
00:41:43,560 --> 00:41:45,799
Speaker 2: it is a non war about dinosaurs. This is the

854
00:41:45,920 --> 00:41:48,600
Speaker 2: log line or the paragraph they used to describe this film.

855
00:41:48,680 --> 00:41:51,839
Speaker 2: Quote set in Vietnam in nineteen sixty eight. What a

856
00:41:51,880 --> 00:41:54,359
Speaker 2: big year for to set this in the Vietnam War.

857
00:41:54,840 --> 00:41:58,360
Speaker 2: The Primitive War movie will follow a search and rescue

858
00:41:58,360 --> 00:42:01,680
Speaker 2: team known as Vulture Squads into an isolated jungle valley

859
00:42:01,719 --> 00:42:04,080
Speaker 2: to reveal the fate of a missing Green Beret platoon.

860
00:42:04,280 --> 00:42:06,319
Speaker 2: As they hunt through the primordial depths of the valley

861
00:42:06,360 --> 00:42:09,360
Speaker 2: and the casualties mount, the Vulture Squad members must embrace

862
00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:13,000
Speaker 2: their savage instincts to survive the horrors they face, interesting

863
00:42:13,480 --> 00:42:18,600
Speaker 2: including the ultimate aprec apex predators, Americans, Oh wait no, dinosaurs.

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Speaker 6: Okay, so that's really convenient that dinosaurs were the villains,

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00:42:23,000 --> 00:42:25,520
Speaker 6: the true villain that that was the first thing that

866
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Speaker 6: struck me.

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Speaker 2: So we all watched the trailer, yeah, and I was like,

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Speaker 2: this is a weird reframing of such a bad conflict

869
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Speaker 2: that is so on its face backwards and just unjustifiable.

870
00:42:36,600 --> 00:42:38,320
Speaker 6: But then they're like, but then they got.

871
00:42:38,200 --> 00:42:40,600
Speaker 2: Then they got sucked up by the dinosaurs, so then they.

872
00:42:40,360 --> 00:42:43,440
Speaker 6: Were back on their sides. And it's not even just

873
00:42:43,480 --> 00:42:46,200
Speaker 6: like a reframing of entirely what happened. And of course

874
00:42:46,200 --> 00:42:48,880
Speaker 6: it's like fictional and all of that, but I still

875
00:42:48,920 --> 00:42:50,840
Speaker 6: love at the end of the day that the true

876
00:42:50,920 --> 00:42:54,080
Speaker 6: victims of this war were not the people that we,

877
00:42:54,200 --> 00:42:58,239
Speaker 6: the Americans, invaded, but the Americans. Yeah, exactly exactly, they're

878
00:42:58,239 --> 00:43:00,400
Speaker 6: the victims. They were destrayed by the Dynasts.

879
00:43:00,440 --> 00:43:03,200
Speaker 2: Not the Mong people or the people of Laos, where

880
00:43:03,920 --> 00:43:06,319
Speaker 2: tons and tons of munitions were just dropped like a

881
00:43:06,360 --> 00:43:09,120
Speaker 2: fucking drop, like a bomb drop off on their way

882
00:43:09,120 --> 00:43:12,120
Speaker 2: back from doing bombing runs. No, no, no, it's it's

883
00:43:12,480 --> 00:43:16,920
Speaker 2: Jeremy Piven with a bad Southern accent. Caitlin, what's a

884
00:43:17,080 --> 00:43:21,080
Speaker 2: what's your take? On seeing the smashup of Tigerland and

885
00:43:21,160 --> 00:43:21,919
Speaker 2: Jurassic Park.

886
00:43:22,200 --> 00:43:24,320
Speaker 10: Thank you so much for asking. This is my time

887
00:43:24,360 --> 00:43:27,000
Speaker 10: to shine as a thought leader, yes, a.

888
00:43:27,200 --> 00:43:29,600
Speaker 6: Thought leader and film expert.

889
00:43:29,200 --> 00:43:33,920
Speaker 10: Yes, and a master degree haver in cinema. It seems

890
00:43:33,920 --> 00:43:36,560
Speaker 10: to me as though someone wind up.

891
00:43:37,320 --> 00:43:38,279
Speaker 6: It seems.

892
00:43:41,600 --> 00:43:46,600
Speaker 10: I'm an intellectual academic, if you will. It feels like

893
00:43:46,640 --> 00:43:52,360
Speaker 10: someone watched Godzilla minus one and was like, wonderful, great movie,

894
00:43:52,440 --> 00:43:55,600
Speaker 10: got the complete run, and they're like, okay, that, but like,

895
00:43:55,719 --> 00:43:58,400
Speaker 10: let's change it a little bit. It'll be the Vietnam

896
00:43:58,440 --> 00:44:02,480
Speaker 10: War instead of like we know, World War two, it'll

897
00:44:02,480 --> 00:44:06,200
Speaker 10: be it'll be dinosaurs instead of god So, you know

898
00:44:06,280 --> 00:44:09,680
Speaker 10: American afayat right, right, right, and then and then it's

899
00:44:09,760 --> 00:44:14,080
Speaker 10: and then they made that, and you know, I a

900
00:44:14,200 --> 00:44:15,400
Speaker 10: plus filmmaking.

901
00:44:15,480 --> 00:44:20,040
Speaker 6: I think, Yeah, the shot with the knife in the philosophertors,

902
00:44:20,120 --> 00:44:23,000
Speaker 6: I like, I can't lie. That's kind of that was gaster.

903
00:44:23,200 --> 00:44:28,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm I'm that it's so fucking wacky that I'm like.

904
00:44:28,120 --> 00:44:30,000
Speaker 6: I kind of I might check it out, check this out.

905
00:44:30,040 --> 00:44:33,960
Speaker 6: I might check it out. The perfect slop pure yeah,

906
00:44:34,160 --> 00:44:36,400
Speaker 6: and a lot of adult traded beautiful slop.

907
00:44:36,680 --> 00:44:39,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's actually I didn't realize this is based on

908
00:44:39,480 --> 00:44:42,440
Speaker 2: existing ip there's a book that came out, mixed on

909
00:44:42,480 --> 00:44:46,640
Speaker 2: a book that the director options. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

910
00:44:46,680 --> 00:44:49,560
Speaker 2: but apparently so this is being released in July, which

911
00:44:49,880 --> 00:44:52,800
Speaker 2: not coincidentally is also when Universal is putting out Jurassic

912
00:44:52,840 --> 00:44:57,920
Speaker 2: World Rebirth. So look, we might have a Barbenheimer summer

913
00:44:58,960 --> 00:45:00,960
Speaker 2: with I don't. I mean, they're always trying to make

914
00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:02,960
Speaker 2: this happen. I don't know how we match these two.

915
00:45:03,040 --> 00:45:07,840
Speaker 10: But okay, what's it called Primitive War, Primitive Jurassic.

916
00:45:07,680 --> 00:45:10,680
Speaker 6: World War World War.

917
00:45:10,520 --> 00:45:14,840
Speaker 10: Of the World's, Jurassic Jurassic War of the Primitive.

918
00:45:14,520 --> 00:45:17,400
Speaker 6: World's twenty twenty five, the Year of the Dinosaur.

919
00:45:17,800 --> 00:45:21,000
Speaker 2: Yes, let's yes, exactly, let's put it. Let's yeah, okay,

920
00:45:21,200 --> 00:45:24,560
Speaker 2: let's run that by Hollywood because we do have their number. Yeah,

921
00:45:24,560 --> 00:45:26,680
Speaker 2: and we'll just see what they think. But yeah, this

922
00:45:26,840 --> 00:45:28,880
Speaker 2: is going to be this is like they're calling it

923
00:45:28,880 --> 00:45:32,200
Speaker 2: a mockbuster. I hadn't heard.

924
00:45:31,960 --> 00:45:34,400
Speaker 6: That term before. I haven't either. What is that, did, Caitlin?

925
00:45:34,480 --> 00:45:36,160
Speaker 6: Have you heard this term before? No?

926
00:45:36,239 --> 00:45:37,680
Speaker 10: But I see where it's going.

927
00:45:38,000 --> 00:45:42,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, because they're like, clearly they're not trying to say

928
00:45:42,040 --> 00:45:45,200
Speaker 2: this is like we saw the production quality. It's less

929
00:45:45,239 --> 00:45:48,080
Speaker 2: than big budget studio, but they're.

930
00:45:47,880 --> 00:45:51,800
Speaker 10: Doing not horrible, no like B movie slop.

931
00:45:51,760 --> 00:45:54,440
Speaker 2: Right because they are getting like like they're using a

932
00:45:54,480 --> 00:45:57,760
Speaker 2: lot of visual effects techniques, like the sort of VFX studio,

933
00:45:57,880 --> 00:45:59,400
Speaker 2: like how they did for a lot of Disney shows

934
00:45:59,400 --> 00:46:02,160
Speaker 2: where it's a projected behind them, like clearly you can

935
00:46:02,200 --> 00:46:04,799
Speaker 2: tell there's a lot of blue screen and stuff like that.

936
00:46:04,880 --> 00:46:07,680
Speaker 2: But yeah, this mockbuster sort of thing is interesting because

937
00:46:07,680 --> 00:46:10,080
Speaker 2: then I clicked on another article about how this is

938
00:46:10,160 --> 00:46:12,360
Speaker 2: kind of like becoming like a burgeoning sort of like

939
00:46:12,480 --> 00:46:15,919
Speaker 2: lane where people are like lending, like people from Star

940
00:46:15,960 --> 00:46:18,960
Speaker 2: Wars worked on another movie this director did that had

941
00:46:19,040 --> 00:46:21,680
Speaker 2: Ken Jong in it that I had never heard of before.

942
00:46:21,920 --> 00:46:27,359
Speaker 2: It was called, uh, it's called Occupation Rainfall. Never heard

943
00:46:27,400 --> 00:46:30,720
Speaker 2: of it, but like it only costs like sixteen million

944
00:46:30,760 --> 00:46:34,120
Speaker 2: dollars to make, and then it like it made money

945
00:46:34,160 --> 00:46:36,400
Speaker 2: back from it even though no one really heard about it,

946
00:46:36,440 --> 00:46:37,920
Speaker 2: and like you were like, oh, this is an interesting

947
00:46:38,000 --> 00:46:40,320
Speaker 2: lane where you can kind of turn a profit without

948
00:46:40,840 --> 00:46:42,680
Speaker 2: spending all your money and trying to do all this

949
00:46:42,760 --> 00:46:43,560
Speaker 2: big budget shit.

950
00:46:43,840 --> 00:46:46,400
Speaker 10: Did it get a theatrical release in the US, Like,

951
00:46:47,760 --> 00:46:49,839
Speaker 10: I don't know why they like export it to like

952
00:46:50,120 --> 00:46:51,440
Speaker 10: over it must be like.

953
00:46:51,440 --> 00:46:53,640
Speaker 2: On streaming or some shit, you know what I mean.

954
00:46:53,680 --> 00:46:56,359
Speaker 2: I have no idea, but it they apparently people watch

955
00:46:56,440 --> 00:46:59,080
Speaker 2: it and like Temurera Morrison, isn't it who you know

956
00:46:59,120 --> 00:47:01,279
Speaker 2: plays Django fet and was Boba Fett and all the

957
00:47:01,320 --> 00:47:01,920
Speaker 2: Star Wars shit?

958
00:47:02,040 --> 00:47:05,680
Speaker 6: But anyway, is the mockbuster like a natural evolution of

959
00:47:05,719 --> 00:47:09,520
Speaker 6: like like the like early two thousands to like early

960
00:47:09,600 --> 00:47:13,040
Speaker 6: twenty ten's era of like weird parody films where they

961
00:47:13,040 --> 00:47:15,400
Speaker 6: were like kind of not super serious. Everyone knew they

962
00:47:15,400 --> 00:47:17,720
Speaker 6: weren't super serious, but they were still like taken seriously

963
00:47:17,760 --> 00:47:20,239
Speaker 6: as movies. Is this like the next era of that?

964
00:47:20,400 --> 00:47:21,840
Speaker 6: Is that like what it kind of is saying?

965
00:47:22,200 --> 00:47:24,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's basically sort of like this kind

966
00:47:24,600 --> 00:47:27,480
Speaker 2: of gave way to like the B movie. Yeah, so

967
00:47:27,760 --> 00:47:31,359
Speaker 2: like that were sort of informed by blockbuster films that

968
00:47:31,400 --> 00:47:33,759
Speaker 2: then they're just gonna draft off of and then be like,

969
00:47:33,800 --> 00:47:35,640
Speaker 2: hey what about this kind of thing?

970
00:47:36,520 --> 00:47:42,959
Speaker 10: So someone who recently rewatched cinematic masterpiece Snakes on a Plane, Yes, yes, yes,

971
00:47:43,120 --> 00:47:46,920
Speaker 10: oh on, I feel like there's there's some correlation there.

972
00:47:47,160 --> 00:47:51,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh absolutely absolutely, because like there's there's like also

973
00:47:51,280 --> 00:47:55,480
Speaker 2: other ones like this. There was like a Misus Doubtfire

974
00:47:55,760 --> 00:47:59,920
Speaker 2: sort of send up that was called uh wanted Perfect Father?

975
00:48:02,320 --> 00:48:07,560
Speaker 2: Yeah and A yeah, then have you heard of Titnick?

976
00:48:12,360 --> 00:48:15,200
Speaker 2: These these films are from the Philippines that are using

977
00:48:15,280 --> 00:48:18,600
Speaker 2: there's like a Filipino version that's where the Missus Doubtfire,

978
00:48:18,800 --> 00:48:21,400
Speaker 2: Perfect Wanted Perfect Father came from. And then there's a

979
00:48:22,120 --> 00:48:25,799
Speaker 2: Titanic parody also from the Philippines. And they also have

980
00:48:26,200 --> 00:48:34,280
Speaker 2: Bobo cop a parody of ROBOCOPSA how.

981
00:48:34,120 --> 00:48:36,239
Speaker 10: Do you spell the Titanic one? I need to watch

982
00:48:36,239 --> 00:48:38,040
Speaker 10: this immediately. I can't believe I didn't.

983
00:48:37,880 --> 00:48:39,160
Speaker 6: C A T A Y.

984
00:48:39,360 --> 00:48:41,479
Speaker 2: And I see there's not It's not even hyper LinkedIn

985
00:48:41,520 --> 00:48:45,520
Speaker 2: the Wikipedia article. But I'm sure we can ask Brian,

986
00:48:45,560 --> 00:48:48,600
Speaker 2: the editor, who has found many obscure films for us

987
00:48:48,600 --> 00:48:51,040
Speaker 2: that we've tried to watch, to locate this one for

988
00:48:51,160 --> 00:48:54,359
Speaker 2: us too. Caitlin, the way your face just immediately went

989
00:48:54,400 --> 00:48:56,239
Speaker 2: to your computer from like, I must find this now?

990
00:48:56,640 --> 00:48:57,279
Speaker 6: What is this?

991
00:48:57,960 --> 00:48:58,319
Speaker 4: I thought?

992
00:48:58,560 --> 00:49:02,680
Speaker 10: Because there are so many bad either like knockoff kind

993
00:49:02,719 --> 00:49:06,520
Speaker 10: of Titanic sequel, because there's Titanic two, right, there's Titanic

994
00:49:06,560 --> 00:49:10,600
Speaker 10: six sixty six, There's a bunch of animated movies that

995
00:49:10,640 --> 00:49:11,120
Speaker 10: came out in.

996
00:49:11,120 --> 00:49:13,080
Speaker 2: The late nineties or like Italian or something.

997
00:49:13,200 --> 00:49:16,560
Speaker 10: Yeah, they're yeah, there's like a legend of Titanic is

998
00:49:16,560 --> 00:49:18,720
Speaker 10: one of them, and then I think that's a sequel.

999
00:49:18,440 --> 00:49:20,280
Speaker 6: Legend of is that the one with like the mouse?

1000
00:49:20,400 --> 00:49:22,160
Speaker 6: It was a mouse the mouse. I saw that in

1001
00:49:22,200 --> 00:49:25,120
Speaker 6: high school and I was blown away. Like one of

1002
00:49:25,160 --> 00:49:26,879
Speaker 6: my friends was like, you got to check this shit out.

1003
00:49:26,960 --> 00:49:30,279
Speaker 6: It's one of the most astonishingly like bad but like

1004
00:49:30,480 --> 00:49:34,360
Speaker 6: good because it's so bad movieever.

1005
00:49:33,680 --> 00:49:39,880
Speaker 10: You remember, Yes, tentacles, Yes, the giant octopus. Because not

1006
00:49:39,920 --> 00:49:43,320
Speaker 10: to spoil legend of Titanic listeners, but here's what happens.

1007
00:49:43,440 --> 00:49:45,680
Speaker 2: Hold on, hold on, hold on, I do I do

1008
00:49:46,000 --> 00:49:48,880
Speaker 2: owe a debt of responsibility to the listener. This is

1009
00:49:48,920 --> 00:49:51,279
Speaker 2: a spoiler alert. Yeah, just so you know, if you

1010
00:49:51,280 --> 00:49:53,239
Speaker 2: need to skip ahead, skip ahead two minutes so you

1011
00:49:53,239 --> 00:49:54,759
Speaker 2: don't ruin. What is Titanic too?

1012
00:49:54,800 --> 00:49:58,279
Speaker 10: You said, Legend of Titanic animated feature from I think

1013
00:49:58,360 --> 00:50:02,720
Speaker 10: nineteen ninety eight. Okay, it is a story in which,

1014
00:50:02,840 --> 00:50:05,040
Speaker 10: I mean lots of lots of stuff happens. It's a

1015
00:50:05,120 --> 00:50:05,680
Speaker 10: rich text.

1016
00:50:05,760 --> 00:50:08,399
Speaker 6: It's very bad, but.

1017
00:50:08,880 --> 00:50:14,760
Speaker 10: The climax is basically Titanic strikes the Iceberg, it breaks

1018
00:50:14,800 --> 00:50:17,200
Speaker 10: and you know, breaks in half, the all the classic stuff.

1019
00:50:17,520 --> 00:50:23,640
Speaker 10: But there's an enormous octopus named Tentacles, and he uses

1020
00:50:23,680 --> 00:50:26,520
Speaker 10: his tentacles to put the Titanic back together and he

1021
00:50:26,640 --> 00:50:27,400
Speaker 10: saves everyone.

1022
00:50:28,200 --> 00:50:31,760
Speaker 6: Oh, it's very positive lives. And if I remember correctly,

1023
00:50:31,800 --> 00:50:36,359
Speaker 6: there's like a wonderful like music sequence. It's like a

1024
00:50:36,360 --> 00:50:38,759
Speaker 6: film for everyone. Basically, it's what you're trying to say

1025
00:50:38,920 --> 00:50:39,880
Speaker 6: exactly exactly.

1026
00:50:40,400 --> 00:50:42,520
Speaker 2: Oh wow, wow, wow, fantastic.

1027
00:50:42,800 --> 00:50:44,920
Speaker 10: I know we've just blown you away.

1028
00:50:45,920 --> 00:50:47,480
Speaker 2: Where can I find that? Where do I watch that?

1029
00:50:47,640 --> 00:50:48,840
Speaker 10: On YouTube dot com?

1030
00:50:48,920 --> 00:50:49,120
Speaker 2: Oh?

1031
00:50:49,160 --> 00:50:49,640
Speaker 6: So YouTube?

1032
00:50:50,040 --> 00:50:52,680
Speaker 10: Oh I'm pretty sure it's still there.

1033
00:50:52,719 --> 00:50:57,960
Speaker 2: That's the best movies though, for real, are on fully

1034
00:50:58,000 --> 00:51:00,520
Speaker 2: on YouTube. It's not a good movie on the whole

1035
00:51:00,560 --> 00:51:04,440
Speaker 2: thing is on YouTube without ads, that's truly. Or it's

1036
00:51:04,440 --> 00:51:06,799
Speaker 2: like broken up into sixteen clips. That's fine because I

1037
00:51:06,840 --> 00:51:08,839
Speaker 2: was like earlier back in the day when you had

1038
00:51:08,880 --> 00:51:09,880
Speaker 2: to string together.

1039
00:51:09,920 --> 00:51:12,560
Speaker 10: Oh yeah, there's like a ten minute time limit on YouTube.

1040
00:51:12,600 --> 00:51:13,000
Speaker 3: Remember that?

1041
00:51:13,360 --> 00:51:13,840
Speaker 6: Yeah?

1042
00:51:13,880 --> 00:51:17,160
Speaker 2: Oh my god? Yeah not now when I just now

1043
00:51:17,200 --> 00:51:20,280
Speaker 2: listen to what is love the ten hour loop version.

1044
00:51:20,640 --> 00:51:24,279
Speaker 6: Kids these days they don't understand how hard consuming video was.

1045
00:51:25,040 --> 00:51:27,479
Speaker 2: No, no, now, sh it's just popping up on their

1046
00:51:28,560 --> 00:51:31,319
Speaker 2: servers or whatever the fuck they're using these days.

1047
00:51:31,320 --> 00:51:34,160
Speaker 6: It's on your sam phone in your dang little pocket.

1048
00:51:34,239 --> 00:51:37,120
Speaker 6: You can pull that up. It's everyone time. Yeah.

1049
00:51:37,560 --> 00:51:43,160
Speaker 10: As a speaking as a Jen Alpha child me myself, Yeah,

1050
00:51:43,200 --> 00:51:44,759
Speaker 10: I guess I didn't really know what it was like.

1051
00:51:44,680 --> 00:51:49,040
Speaker 2: Canonically Gen Alpha yes, yeah, in my head canon, you

1052
00:51:49,080 --> 00:51:51,760
Speaker 2: are Jen Alpha. Yeah, thank you.

1053
00:51:52,320 --> 00:51:56,920
Speaker 1: All right, that's gonna do it for this week's weekly Zeitgeist.

1054
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Speaker 1: Please like and review the show if you like. The

1055
00:52:00,600 --> 00:52:05,880
Speaker 1: show means the world of Miles. He he needs your validation, folks.

1056
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Speaker 1: I hope you're having a great weekend and I will

1057
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Speaker 1: talk to him Monday. Bye.