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Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff You Missed in History Class from how

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Speaker 1: Stuff Works dot com. Hello, and welcome to the podcast.

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Speaker 1: I'm to bling a Chuck Rewarding and I'm fair at

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Speaker 1: OUTI and we always say that one of the most

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Speaker 1: interesting things about history is that it's not static. It

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Speaker 1: So that's not actually the case. It can be frustrating,

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Speaker 1: to explore new possibilities regarding established historical counts or those

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Speaker 1: different takes on stories or mysteries that we've covered before.

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Speaker 1: We do this sometimes with those year end episodes that

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Speaker 1: of those stories today and I think of all of

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Speaker 1: the historical mysteries that have been covered on this podcast,

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Speaker 1: arguably one of the most befuddling is the one surrounding

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Speaker 1: the lost colony at Roanoke. And Candice and Josh covered

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Speaker 1: this this mystery on the podcast back in two thousand

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Speaker 1: But for those of you who haven't heard their podcast

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Speaker 1: and don't know about the mystery, Roanoke was basically one

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Speaker 1: of the first attempts by the English to establish a

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Speaker 1: Josh's take on it. But essentially, a hundred and eighteen

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Speaker 1: all of these people. So it started last year when

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Speaker 1: A throw back to Our Lady Could Dive a podcast.

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