1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:01,880 Speaker 1: Welcome to Thursdays and this you're a big blue kickoff 2 00:00:01,920 --> 00:00:04,160 Speaker 1: live here on giants dot com. Here is Jeff Fiegel's 3 00:00:04,160 --> 00:00:06,080 Speaker 1: I'm Lance Meadow. Good to have your board with you 4 00:00:06,120 --> 00:00:09,000 Speaker 1: for the next sixty minutes. To zero one, five, one 5 00:00:09,039 --> 00:00:11,000 Speaker 1: three is the telephone number. You could also chime in 6 00:00:11,320 --> 00:00:15,200 Speaker 1: via Twitter hashtag Giants Chat. Will recap the first morning 7 00:00:15,320 --> 00:00:18,279 Speaker 1: practice of training camp thus far as they are just 8 00:00:18,320 --> 00:00:21,239 Speaker 1: wrapping up practice. They'll then have some media sessions later on, 9 00:00:21,640 --> 00:00:23,520 Speaker 1: so we'll get you caught up with the latest out 10 00:00:23,520 --> 00:00:25,440 Speaker 1: of practice as well as some of the team news 11 00:00:25,440 --> 00:00:28,200 Speaker 1: and developments from yesterday, and we'll get to your phone 12 00:00:28,200 --> 00:00:30,720 Speaker 1: calls and your tweets. Jeff, how we do it today? Good? 13 00:00:30,800 --> 00:00:33,800 Speaker 1: First morning practice, first morning practice. They got to wake 14 00:00:33,840 --> 00:00:39,960 Speaker 1: up a little bit earlier today. Yeah, I know, it's 15 00:00:39,960 --> 00:00:43,720 Speaker 1: tough first morning. You know what the real morning practices 16 00:00:43,840 --> 00:00:45,680 Speaker 1: used to be like. And again, I know I was 17 00:00:45,720 --> 00:00:49,839 Speaker 1: just a punter still, was there? You had to roll 18 00:00:49,880 --> 00:00:52,240 Speaker 1: out of bed like everybody else. Yeah, I know because 19 00:00:52,280 --> 00:00:56,760 Speaker 1: you had another one in the afternoon. Days. That word 20 00:00:56,800 --> 00:01:00,840 Speaker 1: is not part of the vocabularies, not five you don't 21 00:01:00,840 --> 00:01:03,440 Speaker 1: they get everything done whatever. But other than that, I'm 22 00:01:03,480 --> 00:01:11,960 Speaker 1: doing good lance doing well. That was a quick I can't. 23 00:01:12,000 --> 00:01:14,200 Speaker 1: I can't live in the past all that much anymore. 24 00:01:14,240 --> 00:01:16,520 Speaker 1: I just have to move on. And it's good, so good, 25 00:01:16,720 --> 00:01:18,600 Speaker 1: good to in ten forty five. The guys are off 26 00:01:18,600 --> 00:01:20,440 Speaker 1: the field. Now. I got to catch a little bit 27 00:01:20,440 --> 00:01:24,720 Speaker 1: of practice, uh this afternoon when I came in. Not much, um, 28 00:01:24,840 --> 00:01:26,959 Speaker 1: but it seems to be that things are going well. 29 00:01:27,400 --> 00:01:30,559 Speaker 1: And I think that the from I haven't been around 30 00:01:30,600 --> 00:01:33,039 Speaker 1: the Giants practices for a little bit because I've been 31 00:01:33,080 --> 00:01:35,119 Speaker 1: doing doing some work and stuff. But I will tell 32 00:01:35,120 --> 00:01:37,240 Speaker 1: you that I read about it. One thing that I'm 33 00:01:37,400 --> 00:01:40,000 Speaker 1: very impressed with. I would say impressed because this is 34 00:01:40,040 --> 00:01:42,440 Speaker 1: good and knock on wood and and I don't believe 35 00:01:42,480 --> 00:01:44,120 Speaker 1: in like, oh, you know your jinks the team, but 36 00:01:44,319 --> 00:01:46,440 Speaker 1: it seems to me that they're The training camp is 37 00:01:46,480 --> 00:01:48,240 Speaker 1: going very good for the Giants as far as health, 38 00:01:48,280 --> 00:01:50,840 Speaker 1: and the guys are healthy, they're getting through this stuff. Um. 39 00:01:50,880 --> 00:01:53,680 Speaker 1: I like what I'm seeing and hearing and reading about 40 00:01:53,760 --> 00:01:55,800 Speaker 1: the players and how they're reacting to coach Shermer, and 41 00:01:55,800 --> 00:01:57,400 Speaker 1: how they're in pads. It seems to be their I 42 00:01:57,480 --> 00:01:59,160 Speaker 1: pads a little bit more than they would have been 43 00:01:59,200 --> 00:02:03,840 Speaker 1: in the past. Which is football. I mean, you gotta 44 00:02:03,920 --> 00:02:05,560 Speaker 1: you gotta play in pads, so you might as well 45 00:02:05,600 --> 00:02:07,360 Speaker 1: practice in them, right if you want to develop good 46 00:02:07,360 --> 00:02:09,920 Speaker 1: habits in pads too. Yeah, And I think that, and 47 00:02:09,960 --> 00:02:12,640 Speaker 1: now that the way that the practices are are designed, 48 00:02:12,639 --> 00:02:14,880 Speaker 1: they're okay, they mean you're out there one time. So 49 00:02:15,240 --> 00:02:16,560 Speaker 1: but it looks like a lot of a lot of 50 00:02:16,600 --> 00:02:19,440 Speaker 1: good work going on. Some guys are having some good camps. Um, 51 00:02:19,600 --> 00:02:21,520 Speaker 1: some guys are having some bad camps, and that's just 52 00:02:21,639 --> 00:02:23,720 Speaker 1: what it is. Every every year. You have the good 53 00:02:23,720 --> 00:02:25,840 Speaker 1: and the bad and the ugly. Well, I think that 54 00:02:25,880 --> 00:02:28,120 Speaker 1: we've seen that over the first few days of training camp. 55 00:02:28,160 --> 00:02:30,639 Speaker 1: And one thing that jumped out to meet today as 56 00:02:30,680 --> 00:02:33,320 Speaker 1: well as previous days, is I think the competition Jeff 57 00:02:33,320 --> 00:02:36,240 Speaker 1: at wide receiver on the back end is going to 58 00:02:36,320 --> 00:02:39,880 Speaker 1: be very interesting to watch, especially in the preseason games. 59 00:02:40,000 --> 00:02:41,560 Speaker 1: They s a lot of guys are making plays, and 60 00:02:41,600 --> 00:02:44,280 Speaker 1: that's great, but let's be honest, the men will separate 61 00:02:44,320 --> 00:02:46,919 Speaker 1: themselves from the boys once they obviously get into these 62 00:02:46,919 --> 00:02:50,519 Speaker 1: preseason games. I've said it before and I'm gonna say 63 00:02:50,520 --> 00:02:54,800 Speaker 1: it again that that those fifth and six and maybe 64 00:02:54,840 --> 00:02:56,519 Speaker 1: seventh th I don't know if they're gonna be seven 65 00:02:56,520 --> 00:03:00,360 Speaker 1: of them. But whatever it is, it's special teams. Flat out, yeah, 66 00:03:00,520 --> 00:03:02,960 Speaker 1: it's gonna be. That's what it's gonna make. Okay, Cody 67 00:03:03,040 --> 00:03:05,600 Speaker 1: Latimir is one of them. The guy can play special teams. 68 00:03:05,639 --> 00:03:07,520 Speaker 1: He's gonna be on the team. So there's another one 69 00:03:07,560 --> 00:03:09,360 Speaker 1: of your receivers. So it's if you want to go 70 00:03:09,400 --> 00:03:13,000 Speaker 1: through him. Uh. Roger Lewis, I don't think he's a 71 00:03:13,080 --> 00:03:15,360 Speaker 1: very good special teams player. So he's gonna have a 72 00:03:15,400 --> 00:03:17,800 Speaker 1: tough time making this football team this year in my opinion. 73 00:03:18,000 --> 00:03:19,800 Speaker 1: So he better, you know, he better pick it up 74 00:03:19,800 --> 00:03:21,320 Speaker 1: a little bit, just from what I've been seeing and 75 00:03:21,360 --> 00:03:23,839 Speaker 1: reading and all this kind of stuff. Gotta play special team. 76 00:03:23,880 --> 00:03:26,000 Speaker 1: So but there is is a great competition going on, 77 00:03:26,040 --> 00:03:28,640 Speaker 1: and that is what Dave Gentleman and Pat Shermer want 78 00:03:29,200 --> 00:03:31,600 Speaker 1: and uh and same with tight Tibert, the coach for 79 00:03:31,639 --> 00:03:34,000 Speaker 1: the wide receiver coach. They want that competition. They want 80 00:03:34,000 --> 00:03:36,280 Speaker 1: guys to step up. But bottom line, in that budding 81 00:03:36,320 --> 00:03:38,600 Speaker 1: meeting room, they're telling these guys, yeah, this is your 82 00:03:38,600 --> 00:03:43,320 Speaker 1: playbook for wide receiver, this is your playbook for special teams. 83 00:03:43,320 --> 00:03:46,960 Speaker 1: You're better learned this side of it because your chances 84 00:03:46,960 --> 00:03:50,160 Speaker 1: of you getting on the field behind Oldell Beckham and 85 00:03:50,200 --> 00:03:52,080 Speaker 1: the other guys that are around there, so we'll see 86 00:03:52,360 --> 00:03:57,440 Speaker 1: well to your point, Shepherd Shepherd camp Russell Shepherd, Yes, Caroline. 87 00:03:57,480 --> 00:03:59,520 Speaker 1: At times with Dave Gentleman, I was gonna point out 88 00:04:00,360 --> 00:04:03,880 Speaker 1: Hunter Sharp, Cody Lattimer. Those are the guys that I 89 00:04:03,880 --> 00:04:06,120 Speaker 1: think have stood out a little bit more because of 90 00:04:06,120 --> 00:04:08,200 Speaker 1: what they could contribute on special team, as well as 91 00:04:08,240 --> 00:04:10,360 Speaker 1: Calif Raymond. By the way, and I also think it's 92 00:04:10,360 --> 00:04:12,119 Speaker 1: done a nice What about the guy with the three 93 00:04:12,200 --> 00:04:18,000 Speaker 1: three names? What's its three names? Yeah? Guy wow? I 94 00:04:18,080 --> 00:04:26,480 Speaker 1: hope he makes the team for him to make the 95 00:04:26,480 --> 00:04:30,839 Speaker 1: teams many years and I've been together coming up, but 96 00:04:30,960 --> 00:04:33,520 Speaker 1: it is I will I I should have my own 97 00:04:33,520 --> 00:04:37,320 Speaker 1: butcher shop because I literally butchered no names, and I'm 98 00:04:37,360 --> 00:04:39,360 Speaker 1: honest about I'm telling to tell you right now, like 99 00:04:39,640 --> 00:04:44,080 Speaker 1: um Halla Hallapeo. Okay, so I as opposed to Hallapeio. 100 00:04:44,400 --> 00:04:47,800 Speaker 1: The po is that his name Hallapeo Peo. Yes, that 101 00:04:47,880 --> 00:04:50,520 Speaker 1: was good. I don't want to know his another name 102 00:04:50,600 --> 00:04:53,000 Speaker 1: if it is, because I've just finally got that one 103 00:04:53,040 --> 00:04:56,400 Speaker 1: down right. We'll stick with that Hallopio. The reps of 104 00:04:56,480 --> 00:05:01,520 Speaker 1: paying off in the off Seapio Bureau and uh and 105 00:05:01,600 --> 00:05:04,280 Speaker 1: the other one is a mom a mom mom. Well, 106 00:05:04,320 --> 00:05:06,240 Speaker 1: you made it harder on yourself for that one. I 107 00:05:06,279 --> 00:05:08,719 Speaker 1: always used to tell you, there's no point of saying 108 00:05:08,720 --> 00:05:12,240 Speaker 1: his whole name. No, I'm not going to yes, so anyways, 109 00:05:12,279 --> 00:05:14,080 Speaker 1: but back on, back on your point is that the 110 00:05:14,600 --> 00:05:18,039 Speaker 1: ride receiver and we kind of knew coming into it 111 00:05:18,040 --> 00:05:20,000 Speaker 1: there was gonna be a lot of bodies there. I 112 00:05:20,040 --> 00:05:22,160 Speaker 1: don't think that we knew that there was actually gonna 113 00:05:22,160 --> 00:05:24,919 Speaker 1: be this much competition. I think these guys are all 114 00:05:24,960 --> 00:05:27,120 Speaker 1: out for the to to win a job, which is great. 115 00:05:27,200 --> 00:05:29,760 Speaker 1: That's why they're here. I agree with you. Marky's Bundy 116 00:05:29,839 --> 00:05:31,640 Speaker 1: is another name I'll throw out. You know, he's had 117 00:05:31,680 --> 00:05:35,560 Speaker 1: some flashes here or there. So, I mean, everybody on 118 00:05:35,600 --> 00:05:37,680 Speaker 1: this list of wide receivers that I'm looking over, you 119 00:05:37,680 --> 00:05:40,160 Speaker 1: could point to at least one training camp practice where 120 00:05:40,760 --> 00:05:43,360 Speaker 1: that player did something, whether it beyond special teams or 121 00:05:43,360 --> 00:05:45,880 Speaker 1: as a receiver and sort of caught your eye. But 122 00:05:46,040 --> 00:05:49,200 Speaker 1: now I'm more intrigued to see, Okay, what translates over 123 00:05:49,240 --> 00:05:51,400 Speaker 1: to the preseason games. Yeah, that's the next I mean, 124 00:05:51,480 --> 00:05:53,560 Speaker 1: that to me is exactly that's the next step of 125 00:05:53,560 --> 00:05:55,359 Speaker 1: the program. Even though I've said this before, we we 126 00:05:55,360 --> 00:05:56,920 Speaker 1: don't ever get a chance to be in the meeting 127 00:05:57,040 --> 00:05:59,119 Speaker 1: rooms and hear what the coaches are saying on tape, 128 00:05:59,120 --> 00:06:01,400 Speaker 1: and if these guys are make in mental areas of practice, 129 00:06:01,480 --> 00:06:04,000 Speaker 1: and you know, so our our our idea of how 130 00:06:04,040 --> 00:06:06,720 Speaker 1: these guys look on the field may get a little 131 00:06:06,760 --> 00:06:08,640 Speaker 1: bit different. It's maybe a little bit different if we 132 00:06:08,720 --> 00:06:10,480 Speaker 1: knew if they were running the right routes and they were, 133 00:06:10,560 --> 00:06:12,359 Speaker 1: and they were making mental mistakes and they were getting 134 00:06:12,400 --> 00:06:15,159 Speaker 1: graded the way they were. We don't know that. So 135 00:06:15,279 --> 00:06:17,400 Speaker 1: you know, as of right now, where we see all 136 00:06:17,400 --> 00:06:19,320 Speaker 1: these guys playing on the field and doing their stuff. 137 00:06:19,520 --> 00:06:21,480 Speaker 1: The next step is the preseason game. But man, I 138 00:06:21,520 --> 00:06:23,080 Speaker 1: wish I was a fly on the wall being able 139 00:06:23,120 --> 00:06:25,160 Speaker 1: to know if these guys are taking what they're learning 140 00:06:25,200 --> 00:06:27,240 Speaker 1: in the in the meeting rooms and taking it out 141 00:06:27,240 --> 00:06:30,280 Speaker 1: to practice. Now, just out of curiosity, since you've been 142 00:06:30,279 --> 00:06:32,080 Speaker 1: in all these special teams rooms, Jeff, if you're a 143 00:06:32,160 --> 00:06:36,040 Speaker 1: young receiver, how challenging is it to split time because 144 00:06:36,040 --> 00:06:38,840 Speaker 1: obviously you're busy learning the offense, but then obviously you're 145 00:06:38,880 --> 00:06:40,960 Speaker 1: involved in the special teams meetings. Do they do a 146 00:06:41,000 --> 00:06:43,320 Speaker 1: good job in terms of trying to divvy up the 147 00:06:43,320 --> 00:06:45,760 Speaker 1: amount of time for these players to at least absorb 148 00:06:45,880 --> 00:06:48,680 Speaker 1: the playbook for both sides, or it's really on your 149 00:06:48,680 --> 00:06:51,080 Speaker 1: own time. You got to make sure you study up 150 00:06:51,120 --> 00:06:54,640 Speaker 1: your special team stuff, unlike anything else is on your 151 00:06:54,680 --> 00:06:56,160 Speaker 1: really a lot on your own time. You don't get 152 00:06:56,279 --> 00:06:58,520 Speaker 1: much special teams work at all in the meeting rooms 153 00:06:58,520 --> 00:07:00,960 Speaker 1: and your your first meetings of the a typically or 154 00:07:01,000 --> 00:07:03,560 Speaker 1: your special Teams meeting, and they're about a half hour 155 00:07:03,760 --> 00:07:09,000 Speaker 1: and then and then and then the evening meetings. Um, 156 00:07:09,040 --> 00:07:11,720 Speaker 1: just from when when I when I was around it. Uh, 157 00:07:11,760 --> 00:07:14,200 Speaker 1: you watch the tape from the practice and then you 158 00:07:14,240 --> 00:07:17,720 Speaker 1: install for the next practice. So there's not a lot. 159 00:07:18,440 --> 00:07:20,960 Speaker 1: So you go home at night and you dig into 160 00:07:21,040 --> 00:07:24,720 Speaker 1: like I said, regular playbook, special teams playbook. Okay, you 161 00:07:24,840 --> 00:07:28,040 Speaker 1: better get into that Special Teams playbook that night because um, 162 00:07:28,360 --> 00:07:31,000 Speaker 1: and now in practice, you know, you have drills and drills, 163 00:07:31,000 --> 00:07:33,160 Speaker 1: there's not a lot of live special team stuff. So 164 00:07:33,600 --> 00:07:36,880 Speaker 1: I think it's important that when they are in full 165 00:07:36,960 --> 00:07:39,240 Speaker 1: pads is when they they really can get a good 166 00:07:39,280 --> 00:07:41,880 Speaker 1: look at the gunners and guys like that, because they 167 00:07:41,880 --> 00:07:44,640 Speaker 1: don't nobody rushes full speed on punt rush. They don't 168 00:07:44,640 --> 00:07:46,960 Speaker 1: want to get the punt or hurt and you know so, 169 00:07:47,120 --> 00:07:49,760 Speaker 1: but they have the gunners. It's almost like one on 170 00:07:49,760 --> 00:07:52,960 Speaker 1: one with receivers. You have a defensive back there and 171 00:07:52,960 --> 00:07:55,360 Speaker 1: you have the gunner. Well, well, this drill, you have 172 00:07:55,440 --> 00:07:57,600 Speaker 1: two defensive backs and you have the gun that runs 173 00:07:57,640 --> 00:07:59,760 Speaker 1: down the punts and it's live and it's you can hit. 174 00:07:59,800 --> 00:08:01,520 Speaker 1: So you kind of get a good idea. That's really 175 00:08:01,520 --> 00:08:04,520 Speaker 1: the only live part of special teams practice you can do. Now. 176 00:08:04,800 --> 00:08:06,840 Speaker 1: I did read and hear about that they had a 177 00:08:06,840 --> 00:08:10,240 Speaker 1: live kickoff return session because and a kickoff session because 178 00:08:10,280 --> 00:08:12,240 Speaker 1: this is all new rules now, of course, so this 179 00:08:12,280 --> 00:08:13,920 Speaker 1: is kind of you gotta start to get used to 180 00:08:14,080 --> 00:08:16,720 Speaker 1: what's going on here. And to me, I think there's 181 00:08:16,720 --> 00:08:19,400 Speaker 1: gonna be returns everywhere this year. I think that there's 182 00:08:19,440 --> 00:08:21,440 Speaker 1: gonna be returns out to the I mean, it's gonna 183 00:08:21,440 --> 00:08:24,640 Speaker 1: be unbelievable. The field position is going to be ridiculous. 184 00:08:25,200 --> 00:08:28,760 Speaker 1: It favors the receiving team, there's no question, there's no question. 185 00:08:28,840 --> 00:08:31,160 Speaker 1: So I think it's more imperative that now that you 186 00:08:31,160 --> 00:08:34,960 Speaker 1: have a kicker that says, okay, listen, Aldrek, you need 187 00:08:35,000 --> 00:08:36,640 Speaker 1: to kick this out of the end zone. They need 188 00:08:36,679 --> 00:08:38,120 Speaker 1: to get the ball to twenty five yard line. I 189 00:08:38,160 --> 00:08:41,600 Speaker 1: don't want them to get the mentality of a special 190 00:08:41,640 --> 00:08:44,120 Speaker 1: teams now is starting to flip again. It's just just constantly. 191 00:08:44,200 --> 00:08:45,920 Speaker 1: They've changed the rules a couple of years ago where 192 00:08:45,960 --> 00:08:48,120 Speaker 1: the kickoff and and now they change it to the 193 00:08:48,120 --> 00:08:50,679 Speaker 1: twenty five yard line a few years ago. Now it's 194 00:08:50,679 --> 00:08:52,680 Speaker 1: team me. It sounds like that the return game is 195 00:08:52,679 --> 00:08:54,480 Speaker 1: going to be just highlighted. You're gonna be all over 196 00:08:54,520 --> 00:08:55,920 Speaker 1: the place. So now you go back to the kicker 197 00:08:55,960 --> 00:08:59,000 Speaker 1: and say, listen, kick it out of the end zone. 198 00:08:59,360 --> 00:09:04,120 Speaker 1: It's a game, it's strategy, even more like a video game. Now, Yeah, 199 00:09:04,600 --> 00:09:07,440 Speaker 1: pretty much. I mean that's what it has to become. 200 00:09:07,520 --> 00:09:09,480 Speaker 1: You've got to be computerized in your brain. Hey, I've 201 00:09:09,480 --> 00:09:11,640 Speaker 1: got to do everything I can to make sure that 202 00:09:11,679 --> 00:09:13,640 Speaker 1: I put it in a place that gives my guys 203 00:09:13,679 --> 00:09:16,320 Speaker 1: an opportunity to get down the field too. I think 204 00:09:16,320 --> 00:09:18,840 Speaker 1: that you're really going to see it, um during the 205 00:09:18,840 --> 00:09:20,960 Speaker 1: preseason games. It's going to be interesting to watch that 206 00:09:21,040 --> 00:09:23,600 Speaker 1: kickoff and that kickoff return and how it works. Um. 207 00:09:23,640 --> 00:09:26,000 Speaker 1: Just because and then also the helmet rule and all 208 00:09:26,040 --> 00:09:27,720 Speaker 1: the other new stuff that's gonna come about. Well, and 209 00:09:27,760 --> 00:09:29,520 Speaker 1: I think even to add on to that, you know, 210 00:09:29,600 --> 00:09:33,160 Speaker 1: just the the decision making that coaches have to think 211 00:09:33,200 --> 00:09:36,600 Speaker 1: about with respect to going for it on fourth down, 212 00:09:36,760 --> 00:09:39,520 Speaker 1: perhaps being a little bit more aggressive because of how 213 00:09:39,640 --> 00:09:42,280 Speaker 1: much a special teams play could come back to bite you, Jeff, 214 00:09:42,440 --> 00:09:44,640 Speaker 1: and maybe you feel, you know what, with the way 215 00:09:44,640 --> 00:09:47,079 Speaker 1: my defense is playing, why don't we at least try 216 00:09:47,080 --> 00:09:50,120 Speaker 1: to continue to drive as opposed to flip the field 217 00:09:50,160 --> 00:09:51,920 Speaker 1: the opposite way. I mean, I think those are things 218 00:09:51,920 --> 00:09:54,080 Speaker 1: that at least some coach is gonna think twice about. 219 00:09:54,160 --> 00:09:56,120 Speaker 1: Were a few weeks ago, John and I were on 220 00:09:56,160 --> 00:09:58,520 Speaker 1: the show and we had the gentleman from Pro Football Focus, 221 00:09:58,520 --> 00:10:00,960 Speaker 1: and we were talking about the four down percentages and 222 00:10:01,000 --> 00:10:03,480 Speaker 1: how some teams, you know, you look at them. The Eagles, 223 00:10:03,520 --> 00:10:06,000 Speaker 1: they were they went for very aggressive, very aggressive on 224 00:10:06,040 --> 00:10:08,320 Speaker 1: fourth down, and they actually were were very good at 225 00:10:08,360 --> 00:10:10,559 Speaker 1: I think, just off the top of my from memory, 226 00:10:11,000 --> 00:10:14,200 Speaker 1: the Giants were successful on thirty eight percent. I'm don't 227 00:10:14,240 --> 00:10:16,360 Speaker 1: don't quote me on this, but from what I remember, 228 00:10:16,400 --> 00:10:18,720 Speaker 1: thirty eight percent of those fourth down tries, which, by 229 00:10:18,760 --> 00:10:20,680 Speaker 1: the way, it sounds like it might be good, but 230 00:10:20,760 --> 00:10:23,280 Speaker 1: that's really bad compared to some of the other teams 231 00:10:23,280 --> 00:10:25,559 Speaker 1: that have actually go for it more on fourth down 232 00:10:25,840 --> 00:10:29,880 Speaker 1: they were above fifty so um, and it's just a 233 00:10:29,960 --> 00:10:32,160 Speaker 1: matter of like you said, it's a strategy when it 234 00:10:32,200 --> 00:10:34,360 Speaker 1: comes to this stuff. We gotta open up the phone 235 00:10:34,400 --> 00:10:37,400 Speaker 1: lines here in a second at two zero five, one three. 236 00:10:37,600 --> 00:10:40,760 Speaker 1: One other thing related to the receiving corps, Tight Tolbert, 237 00:10:40,880 --> 00:10:43,720 Speaker 1: the new Giants receivers coach, spoke to the media yesterday. 238 00:10:43,760 --> 00:10:46,319 Speaker 1: Jeff and the one thing he mentioned in Pat Shermer's 239 00:10:46,320 --> 00:10:49,640 Speaker 1: offense that they're emphasizing compared to what went on with 240 00:10:49,720 --> 00:10:53,720 Speaker 1: Ben McAdoo is they want every receiver to learn every 241 00:10:53,760 --> 00:10:57,360 Speaker 1: single position. They don't just tell the receiver, Okay, O'Dell, 242 00:10:57,520 --> 00:10:59,880 Speaker 1: you're on the outside, Shepherd, you're in the slot. They 243 00:11:00,040 --> 00:11:03,079 Speaker 1: want everybody to learn every position because they feel the 244 00:11:03,160 --> 00:11:06,160 Speaker 1: more versatile receivers they have, the more guys that know 245 00:11:06,679 --> 00:11:09,360 Speaker 1: to play inside and outside, will keep the defense on 246 00:11:09,400 --> 00:11:11,839 Speaker 1: its toes. And that's a little bit different than what 247 00:11:11,880 --> 00:11:15,360 Speaker 1: we saw last season when mostly personnel was utilized in 248 00:11:15,600 --> 00:11:18,640 Speaker 1: specific spots. A few things. Number one, yet, it's way 249 00:11:18,640 --> 00:11:21,600 Speaker 1: different from learning just one position. Next to why done 250 00:11:21,760 --> 00:11:25,000 Speaker 1: whatever it is. The other thing is is that in 251 00:11:25,040 --> 00:11:29,360 Speaker 1: the in the previous offenses, receivers were counted on knowing 252 00:11:29,840 --> 00:11:32,559 Speaker 1: how to read the defense and where you know, and 253 00:11:32,600 --> 00:11:34,760 Speaker 1: so they had to they had to be on the 254 00:11:34,800 --> 00:11:37,320 Speaker 1: same page as a quarterback, so you know, rather than 255 00:11:37,360 --> 00:11:39,959 Speaker 1: audibling that the line of scrimmage. As long as the 256 00:11:40,080 --> 00:11:42,520 Speaker 1: quarterback and the receivers saw the type of coverage that 257 00:11:42,600 --> 00:11:45,600 Speaker 1: the defense was playing that play, you're gonna have to 258 00:11:45,640 --> 00:11:47,280 Speaker 1: know that if you had a four route, you're now 259 00:11:47,280 --> 00:11:49,120 Speaker 1: going to run a six route, okay. So that kind 260 00:11:49,160 --> 00:11:51,240 Speaker 1: of was It was a lot of work for for 261 00:11:51,280 --> 00:11:54,640 Speaker 1: the receivers. Now I see the advantage of having somebody 262 00:11:54,640 --> 00:11:58,199 Speaker 1: play each position. Also is the fact that number one 263 00:11:58,240 --> 00:12:02,199 Speaker 1: for matchups, but number two is for for injuries. So 264 00:12:02,280 --> 00:12:04,280 Speaker 1: if you if you're if you have if you're heavy 265 00:12:04,280 --> 00:12:06,400 Speaker 1: at the X and you get a couple of Z 266 00:12:06,559 --> 00:12:08,920 Speaker 1: guys that go down, there's not a there's not a 267 00:12:08,960 --> 00:12:11,480 Speaker 1: learning curve anymore. So we can take Cody Lattimer and 268 00:12:11,520 --> 00:12:13,720 Speaker 1: move him X to why does it? Whatever you want 269 00:12:13,720 --> 00:12:16,959 Speaker 1: to do and then because you've learned all positions, So 270 00:12:17,040 --> 00:12:19,200 Speaker 1: that's the guys feel comfortable at those spots too. And 271 00:12:19,240 --> 00:12:22,360 Speaker 1: I also believe that if you are a Z okay 272 00:12:22,440 --> 00:12:24,800 Speaker 1: and you're an X receiver or your slack or whatever 273 00:12:24,800 --> 00:12:28,040 Speaker 1: it is, and you're learning everybody's position. How much better 274 00:12:28,080 --> 00:12:31,080 Speaker 1: are your routes gonna be knowing that you know what 275 00:12:31,200 --> 00:12:32,800 Speaker 1: the Z or the Y is and the and the 276 00:12:33,160 --> 00:12:36,120 Speaker 1: X is doing because you know the positions. So if 277 00:12:36,120 --> 00:12:37,960 Speaker 1: you got to go out and you're at six yards 278 00:12:37,960 --> 00:12:39,880 Speaker 1: and you're gonna you're gonna turn it inside for an 279 00:12:39,880 --> 00:12:42,880 Speaker 1: inside route, you know that the other receiver is running 280 00:12:42,880 --> 00:12:44,800 Speaker 1: over the top of you, you better make sure that 281 00:12:44,840 --> 00:12:46,520 Speaker 1: you know that guy is gonna be eight yards in 282 00:12:46,559 --> 00:12:48,240 Speaker 1: front of you. It's I just think it makes a 283 00:12:48,360 --> 00:12:51,200 Speaker 1: route tree and the route running so much better. And 284 00:12:51,240 --> 00:12:53,000 Speaker 1: that's that's a good thing for those guys. No, I 285 00:12:53,040 --> 00:12:55,480 Speaker 1: agree whole hardly. And I found it very interesting what 286 00:12:55,520 --> 00:12:58,720 Speaker 1: TyC Tilber was saying, because it's funny reporters were constantly 287 00:12:58,720 --> 00:13:00,840 Speaker 1: sort of asking the same thing. Oh, Adell Beckham looks 288 00:13:00,840 --> 00:13:02,480 Speaker 1: great in the slot, and this guy looks great on 289 00:13:02,480 --> 00:13:05,640 Speaker 1: the outside it we're moving guys around, you know, we're 290 00:13:05,679 --> 00:13:07,760 Speaker 1: not just looking for what one guy could do inside. 291 00:13:07,760 --> 00:13:11,720 Speaker 1: We want everybody to know every which way upside down 292 00:13:12,120 --> 00:13:14,920 Speaker 1: of this office and and and also know some of 293 00:13:14,920 --> 00:13:18,520 Speaker 1: the receivers, particularly Odell Beckham is gonna learn how to 294 00:13:18,520 --> 00:13:21,520 Speaker 1: play receiver from the backfield too, because you know we've 295 00:13:21,520 --> 00:13:23,720 Speaker 1: seen him going in the backfield before and running outs 296 00:13:23,720 --> 00:13:25,800 Speaker 1: like that too, So that's something that he has to get. 297 00:13:26,000 --> 00:13:29,240 Speaker 1: And I know we haven't. I haven't the time that 298 00:13:29,240 --> 00:13:32,120 Speaker 1: we've been on the show here, haven't talked much about Odell. 299 00:13:32,559 --> 00:13:35,440 Speaker 1: Um just from everything that I've seen and read about 300 00:13:35,520 --> 00:13:38,160 Speaker 1: the training camp that's going on. Um, he's got his. 301 00:13:38,360 --> 00:13:41,040 Speaker 1: He's got his you know, he's got that focus. And 302 00:13:41,120 --> 00:13:43,440 Speaker 1: I love it. I absolutely love it. Um. You see 303 00:13:43,480 --> 00:13:46,080 Speaker 1: him and Eli throwing balls after practice, that's a good thing. 304 00:13:46,400 --> 00:13:49,080 Speaker 1: I see the leadership kind of stepping in there. He's 305 00:13:49,200 --> 00:13:51,400 Speaker 1: correcting guys, showing him you know, this is what we 306 00:13:51,440 --> 00:13:54,200 Speaker 1: do here and there. Um, I think collectively, as the 307 00:13:54,240 --> 00:13:56,960 Speaker 1: team goes, I believe that the leaders are kind of 308 00:13:57,040 --> 00:13:59,120 Speaker 1: taking taking a little bit of step up here that 309 00:13:59,200 --> 00:14:01,400 Speaker 1: you can see kind of where it's at. And that's 310 00:14:01,440 --> 00:14:03,160 Speaker 1: what I just think. It's a good thing for this 311 00:14:03,200 --> 00:14:06,280 Speaker 1: team and getting everybody on the right page and um, 312 00:14:06,440 --> 00:14:09,080 Speaker 1: and building that chemistry that that we talked about all 313 00:14:09,080 --> 00:14:11,760 Speaker 1: the time. UM, you need it. You need it in 314 00:14:11,800 --> 00:14:14,559 Speaker 1: the locker room more than anything. And this team last 315 00:14:14,640 --> 00:14:17,880 Speaker 1: year was broke there. It was there was no chemistry 316 00:14:17,880 --> 00:14:19,920 Speaker 1: in that locker room. There was a lot of just 317 00:14:20,040 --> 00:14:22,840 Speaker 1: you know, just a lot of divided people. Um. I 318 00:14:22,880 --> 00:14:25,160 Speaker 1: read an article about the offensive lignement, and I mean, 319 00:14:25,200 --> 00:14:27,840 Speaker 1: these guys are hanging out there, They're going to dinner together. 320 00:14:27,960 --> 00:14:30,840 Speaker 1: They got um, you know, at her nanny bringing donuts in. 321 00:14:30,960 --> 00:14:33,360 Speaker 1: That's old school right there, by the way, you know, 322 00:14:33,400 --> 00:14:36,600 Speaker 1: the old donuts. I mean, years and years ago, the 323 00:14:36,680 --> 00:14:39,720 Speaker 1: rookies were always responsible for bringing in donuts during the season. 324 00:14:39,720 --> 00:14:41,240 Speaker 1: I mean you go back to stray Hand. He got 325 00:14:41,240 --> 00:14:42,880 Speaker 1: in fight with guys for they were like, you know, 326 00:14:42,920 --> 00:14:46,120 Speaker 1: they bring the donuts, you know. I mean though, that 327 00:14:46,240 --> 00:14:47,840 Speaker 1: was stuff that if you were a rookie and you 328 00:14:47,840 --> 00:14:50,320 Speaker 1: didn't bring the donuts. Number one, you are in trouble. 329 00:14:50,400 --> 00:14:53,040 Speaker 1: Number two, you're in You're in the doghouse for a while. 330 00:14:53,640 --> 00:14:55,320 Speaker 1: And uh So, I think I just love to see 331 00:14:55,360 --> 00:14:58,560 Speaker 1: the camaraderie starting to take take place and along the team. 332 00:14:58,720 --> 00:15:01,400 Speaker 1: Definitely a different feel around the team. I think you 333 00:15:01,400 --> 00:15:03,840 Speaker 1: could say that from many different fronts. The other thing 334 00:15:03,880 --> 00:15:05,680 Speaker 1: that I wanted to throw out just about the receiving 335 00:15:05,760 --> 00:15:08,080 Speaker 1: corps before we open up the lines. The other thing 336 00:15:08,120 --> 00:15:10,680 Speaker 1: that tight Tober was emphasizing to the media, Jeff, and 337 00:15:10,960 --> 00:15:14,520 Speaker 1: this is why practice highlights are great, and it's great 338 00:15:14,560 --> 00:15:17,200 Speaker 1: to see the guys that make the sex he catches 339 00:15:17,360 --> 00:15:19,280 Speaker 1: and this and that. But you know what he says 340 00:15:19,440 --> 00:15:22,200 Speaker 1: is and this was also interesting. They go back, they 341 00:15:22,240 --> 00:15:24,600 Speaker 1: watched the film for every practice, as you know that, Jeff, 342 00:15:24,920 --> 00:15:29,280 Speaker 1: and they're seeing wide receivers win their individual battles on 343 00:15:29,280 --> 00:15:31,400 Speaker 1: the opposite side of the field that have nothing to 344 00:15:31,480 --> 00:15:34,000 Speaker 1: do with the catch that was made on the right side. 345 00:15:34,040 --> 00:15:36,240 Speaker 1: And he goes, you know, those guys jump out to 346 00:15:36,320 --> 00:15:38,520 Speaker 1: us too. They may not jump out to the naked 347 00:15:38,520 --> 00:15:41,440 Speaker 1: eye of the media or the fan, correct because you 348 00:15:41,440 --> 00:15:44,520 Speaker 1: follow the ball exactly. But he was saying that he's 349 00:15:44,560 --> 00:15:47,280 Speaker 1: seen a lot of players win their individual battles on 350 00:15:47,320 --> 00:15:49,720 Speaker 1: the opposite side of the ball, and that's been encouraging, 351 00:15:50,080 --> 00:15:51,800 Speaker 1: especially in the development of a lot of these young 352 00:15:51,840 --> 00:15:54,640 Speaker 1: players also. And that's just in the passing game. So 353 00:15:54,760 --> 00:15:59,560 Speaker 1: remember in the run game, looking at the receivers and 354 00:15:59,600 --> 00:16:03,040 Speaker 1: seeing how they're blocking. So that's another facet of of 355 00:16:03,240 --> 00:16:06,320 Speaker 1: being in that position, uh, as a wide receiver, and 356 00:16:06,360 --> 00:16:07,520 Speaker 1: not only do you have to catch the ball, you 357 00:16:07,520 --> 00:16:10,400 Speaker 1: gotta learned how to block and um again, that's a 358 00:16:10,520 --> 00:16:13,800 Speaker 1: that's that's something that these coaches, you know, they if 359 00:16:13,840 --> 00:16:16,600 Speaker 1: you're ever in a meeting room, you you're probably getting 360 00:16:16,600 --> 00:16:18,520 Speaker 1: dizzy the first time you're in there because the players 361 00:16:18,560 --> 00:16:19,880 Speaker 1: go back and forth, back and forth, back and forth. 362 00:16:19,920 --> 00:16:21,440 Speaker 1: But I mean it's just over and over and back 363 00:16:21,480 --> 00:16:23,120 Speaker 1: and back and back. And what their coach is doing 364 00:16:23,200 --> 00:16:25,000 Speaker 1: is he's looking at he's looking at let's just say 365 00:16:25,000 --> 00:16:27,960 Speaker 1: there's three rides in the in the practice, they're looking 366 00:16:28,000 --> 00:16:29,800 Speaker 1: at this guy, this guy, this guy, back and forth 367 00:16:29,800 --> 00:16:31,880 Speaker 1: back for then they're done with him, and then they're 368 00:16:31,880 --> 00:16:33,720 Speaker 1: gonna go to the slack guy. And it's back and forth, back, 369 00:16:33,720 --> 00:16:35,880 Speaker 1: and so by the time the whole play is over, 370 00:16:36,000 --> 00:16:38,960 Speaker 1: you're back and forth back forth at least a dwive 371 00:16:39,000 --> 00:16:41,160 Speaker 1: times that that play has gone. Why do you think people, 372 00:16:41,520 --> 00:16:45,680 Speaker 1: the players they remember play so well because not only 373 00:16:45,720 --> 00:16:54,280 Speaker 1: do they run it themselves, they've watched it a million times. 374 00:16:54,320 --> 00:16:57,280 Speaker 1: But the teaching point here is that if you are 375 00:16:57,280 --> 00:16:59,880 Speaker 1: watching that a million times, you've seen what this guy's 376 00:17:00,000 --> 00:17:02,400 Speaker 1: doing good and what he's doing bad, and you've got 377 00:17:02,400 --> 00:17:03,920 Speaker 1: to make sure that you don't do it. And the 378 00:17:03,960 --> 00:17:06,560 Speaker 1: next time that they watch you. All right, let's open 379 00:17:06,640 --> 00:17:10,400 Speaker 1: up the phone lines two zero one three hashtag Giants 380 00:17:10,480 --> 00:17:14,960 Speaker 1: chat line three. Atticus is in the Polkado's Atticus, what's happening? Hey, 381 00:17:15,040 --> 00:17:17,800 Speaker 1: good afternoon, guys. How are you? What do you got 382 00:17:17,840 --> 00:17:21,760 Speaker 1: for us? So, you know, great introduction guys, And I'm 383 00:17:21,760 --> 00:17:24,560 Speaker 1: sitting here listen to you covering every topic that I 384 00:17:24,600 --> 00:17:27,639 Speaker 1: wanted to bring up. And that's what we do. Question before. 385 00:17:28,480 --> 00:17:31,040 Speaker 1: That's that's that's how Lance and I work. I mean, 386 00:17:31,280 --> 00:17:33,480 Speaker 1: you know, that's good. And then we hopefully while you're 387 00:17:33,480 --> 00:17:36,400 Speaker 1: listening to asn't we're answering your questions. You're thinking of more, Atticus. 388 00:17:36,480 --> 00:17:39,919 Speaker 1: That's all we could say. Well, I am, I am man. 389 00:17:39,960 --> 00:17:42,639 Speaker 1: I listened every day, so it's good to um the 390 00:17:42,720 --> 00:17:44,960 Speaker 1: call in and be a part of the show today. 391 00:17:45,760 --> 00:17:48,240 Speaker 1: I wanted to bring up something that you started talking about. 392 00:17:48,640 --> 00:17:51,760 Speaker 1: First of all, I'm a lifelong New York Football Giants 393 00:17:51,760 --> 00:17:55,160 Speaker 1: fan bleed blue, and I try to each year go 394 00:17:55,200 --> 00:17:58,920 Speaker 1: into the season not using my deep blue lenses. It's 395 00:17:58,960 --> 00:18:01,959 Speaker 1: sometimes difficult because I always want them to go all 396 00:18:02,000 --> 00:18:04,000 Speaker 1: the way. But I have to be realistic in my 397 00:18:04,040 --> 00:18:08,360 Speaker 1: approach and my expectations in the past few years. I'm 398 00:18:08,359 --> 00:18:11,479 Speaker 1: gonna say at least the past five out of seven years, 399 00:18:11,640 --> 00:18:15,520 Speaker 1: it seems like we lead the league and injured players 400 00:18:15,560 --> 00:18:19,240 Speaker 1: going on injured reserve. And I don't know if it's conditioning. 401 00:18:19,280 --> 00:18:21,200 Speaker 1: I don't know what other teams are doing who are 402 00:18:21,240 --> 00:18:23,520 Speaker 1: doing a better job of keeping players healthy. I think 403 00:18:23,520 --> 00:18:26,119 Speaker 1: the last time we had a really good nucleus of 404 00:18:26,160 --> 00:18:31,160 Speaker 1: our starters in place back in like two thousand and eleven, um, 405 00:18:32,040 --> 00:18:40,200 Speaker 1: I think one other times. Yeah, the team was relatively 406 00:18:40,240 --> 00:18:43,760 Speaker 1: healthy that year, right, and then a part of the 407 00:18:43,840 --> 00:18:48,119 Speaker 1: conditioning and staying healthy throughout the year ties directly into 408 00:18:48,160 --> 00:18:51,320 Speaker 1: the chemistry that you guys were talking about. And I 409 00:18:51,400 --> 00:18:54,960 Speaker 1: got high expectations too, Like I think, offensively, we've got 410 00:18:54,960 --> 00:18:57,480 Speaker 1: a lot of great weapons in place, some new people 411 00:18:57,480 --> 00:19:00,000 Speaker 1: who don't have nfield experience, yep, but I think they'll 412 00:19:00,040 --> 00:19:03,840 Speaker 1: do well. On defense. I've got some questions, particularly in 413 00:19:03,880 --> 00:19:07,560 Speaker 1: the secondary, but mostly because I don't know that we've 414 00:19:07,600 --> 00:19:10,880 Speaker 1: developed any type of chemistry for us to go beyond 415 00:19:10,960 --> 00:19:14,600 Speaker 1: being probably an eight and eight king. I want more. 416 00:19:15,080 --> 00:19:17,880 Speaker 1: But when I look at this through an objective set 417 00:19:17,920 --> 00:19:21,199 Speaker 1: of lenses as opposed to my deep blue lenses, I 418 00:19:21,200 --> 00:19:23,080 Speaker 1: don't know how much I can expect, and I'd just 419 00:19:23,200 --> 00:19:25,399 Speaker 1: like to hear you guys thoughts on that. All right, 420 00:19:25,440 --> 00:19:27,960 Speaker 1: and I guess we'll appreciate the phone call. One thing 421 00:19:28,000 --> 00:19:30,440 Speaker 1: I did want to add before we answer your question 422 00:19:30,680 --> 00:19:33,520 Speaker 1: is if you go back to last year, Jeff, when 423 00:19:33,560 --> 00:19:36,720 Speaker 1: they had so many injuries the Giants, you know, people 424 00:19:36,760 --> 00:19:39,240 Speaker 1: bring up is it conditioning, is it diet? Is it 425 00:19:39,480 --> 00:19:42,360 Speaker 1: so what? A lot of those injuries, though to meet 426 00:19:42,400 --> 00:19:46,399 Speaker 1: in reflect lack of conditioning. For example, Odell Beckham and 427 00:19:46,440 --> 00:19:48,720 Speaker 1: the ankle injury. You know that that's not like a 428 00:19:48,760 --> 00:19:52,680 Speaker 1: hamstring injury or something else Genera's Jenkins. We're talking about 429 00:19:52,680 --> 00:19:55,880 Speaker 1: broken bones here. For most of the injuries last year, 430 00:19:56,000 --> 00:19:59,000 Speaker 1: I think that Collin's forearm, it's it's it's it's a 431 00:19:59,200 --> 00:20:02,760 Speaker 1: it's a rash. It changes every year. Um, you know 432 00:20:02,840 --> 00:20:04,919 Speaker 1: sometimes the injury of the year is X. You know, 433 00:20:05,040 --> 00:20:06,680 Speaker 1: high ankle sprainers for the next thing. You know, they've 434 00:20:06,720 --> 00:20:08,919 Speaker 1: got nine guys to get high. It's just we're really 435 00:20:09,400 --> 00:20:11,880 Speaker 1: a funny trend. And I think because that we're big, 436 00:20:11,880 --> 00:20:14,480 Speaker 1: big Blue fans and Giants fans, that we were kind 437 00:20:14,480 --> 00:20:17,040 Speaker 1: of hyper focused on this, this what's going on with 438 00:20:17,080 --> 00:20:20,080 Speaker 1: our own team. We seem to to get lost in 439 00:20:20,119 --> 00:20:22,439 Speaker 1: the shuffle as far as what's going on around the league. 440 00:20:22,720 --> 00:20:25,600 Speaker 1: It happens to every team, just unfortunately a few teams 441 00:20:25,640 --> 00:20:27,919 Speaker 1: get more than their share, and that's been with the 442 00:20:27,960 --> 00:20:30,720 Speaker 1: Giants last year. Um, if if I was a point 443 00:20:30,800 --> 00:20:34,000 Speaker 1: anything with conditioning I don't think that has anything to 444 00:20:34,000 --> 00:20:36,199 Speaker 1: do with it these days because in the off season 445 00:20:36,760 --> 00:20:39,040 Speaker 1: and the way that the game is played now, the 446 00:20:39,200 --> 00:20:42,280 Speaker 1: nutrition that every team has a nutritionists. These guys are 447 00:20:42,400 --> 00:20:45,600 Speaker 1: are hydrated, they've got they've got things in their shoulder 448 00:20:45,640 --> 00:20:49,000 Speaker 1: pads that are tracking them GPS. That has nothing to 449 00:20:49,040 --> 00:20:51,800 Speaker 1: do with injuries. I mean the conditioning now. Back in 450 00:20:51,840 --> 00:20:53,840 Speaker 1: the day when guys used to come into training camp 451 00:20:53,880 --> 00:20:55,960 Speaker 1: to get in shape, I think that had a lot 452 00:20:56,000 --> 00:20:57,720 Speaker 1: to do with But nowadays, I think guys are in 453 00:20:57,800 --> 00:21:00,800 Speaker 1: such great shape in the offseason conditioning program that I 454 00:21:00,840 --> 00:21:02,920 Speaker 1: don't think that that has anything to do with it. Yeah, 455 00:21:02,960 --> 00:21:05,960 Speaker 1: they go out, they work with their own individualized coaches 456 00:21:06,359 --> 00:21:08,600 Speaker 1: when they break apart from the team. There's so much 457 00:21:08,640 --> 00:21:12,520 Speaker 1: specialized training and conditioning now, and the technology, to your point, Jeff, 458 00:21:12,560 --> 00:21:15,479 Speaker 1: has changed immensely. I mean they can monitor you to 459 00:21:15,520 --> 00:21:17,480 Speaker 1: the point where they know if you're in shape or not. 460 00:21:18,040 --> 00:21:19,600 Speaker 1: I mean, all I gotta do is prick your finger 461 00:21:19,640 --> 00:21:21,679 Speaker 1: and run their blood test and see the lactic acid 462 00:21:21,720 --> 00:21:23,520 Speaker 1: in your body, how how good it is and how 463 00:21:23,560 --> 00:21:27,159 Speaker 1: fast your heart rate responds. Um, I don't think that 464 00:21:27,240 --> 00:21:28,880 Speaker 1: has anything to do with it. Now, not to say 465 00:21:28,920 --> 00:21:31,000 Speaker 1: that some guys aren't in great shape and they don't 466 00:21:31,040 --> 00:21:32,720 Speaker 1: take care of their bodies, and they don't because I 467 00:21:33,080 --> 00:21:34,399 Speaker 1: know that they. I know there are a lot of 468 00:21:34,400 --> 00:21:36,399 Speaker 1: guys that just you know, they don't really care what 469 00:21:36,440 --> 00:21:38,560 Speaker 1: they eat, they don't really care how much they drink. 470 00:21:38,600 --> 00:21:40,600 Speaker 1: They just they just they just you know, they're kind 471 00:21:40,600 --> 00:21:42,720 Speaker 1: of the Oh I'm okay, I've already been able to 472 00:21:42,720 --> 00:21:45,000 Speaker 1: do this, but eventually that catches up to you. Those 473 00:21:45,040 --> 00:21:48,800 Speaker 1: are the exceptions for only so long, because those routines, 474 00:21:49,080 --> 00:21:52,359 Speaker 1: like you said, can't necessarily take you throughout an entire career. 475 00:21:52,400 --> 00:21:54,760 Speaker 1: Now back to the Kohler's question about you know, the 476 00:21:54,800 --> 00:21:57,800 Speaker 1: outlook the expectations for this team. He mentioned, you know, 477 00:21:58,640 --> 00:22:01,960 Speaker 1: can they get better than that? Listen, the NFC East. 478 00:22:02,000 --> 00:22:04,359 Speaker 1: First of all, we have to preface this before we 479 00:22:04,400 --> 00:22:08,160 Speaker 1: get into this is just a wacky and wild division. Well, 480 00:22:08,200 --> 00:22:10,320 Speaker 1: you've I think you've brought this up on the program 481 00:22:10,359 --> 00:22:14,239 Speaker 1: before about the the over time every year there's a 482 00:22:14,240 --> 00:22:17,879 Speaker 1: new correct winner. Haven't had nine years, is it? So? 483 00:22:18,160 --> 00:22:20,840 Speaker 1: Even more since the early two thousand's the Eagles won 484 00:22:20,880 --> 00:22:23,280 Speaker 1: four in a row since then, back and forth and 485 00:22:23,359 --> 00:22:27,080 Speaker 1: back and forth. So that fact alone means yes, the 486 00:22:27,119 --> 00:22:30,440 Speaker 1: Eagles should be considered the favorites. They are by far 487 00:22:31,359 --> 00:22:34,040 Speaker 1: the most stacked team I think on paper, and the 488 00:22:34,160 --> 00:22:36,560 Speaker 1: nucleus is coming back, So the Eagles should be the favorite. 489 00:22:36,720 --> 00:22:39,800 Speaker 1: That's understandable. But we've seen freaky and crazy things happen 490 00:22:39,840 --> 00:22:42,320 Speaker 1: where the favorite doesn't necessarily always pan out over the 491 00:22:42,400 --> 00:22:45,560 Speaker 1: course of sixteen games. And I said this on and before, 492 00:22:45,760 --> 00:22:48,359 Speaker 1: I know that this team right now, we all get 493 00:22:48,400 --> 00:22:51,000 Speaker 1: caught up in oh, they're looking great, and everybody's you know, 494 00:22:51,680 --> 00:22:53,800 Speaker 1: the team is, they're coming together and this and that. 495 00:22:53,920 --> 00:22:56,320 Speaker 1: But I just all I wanted you to do is 496 00:22:56,320 --> 00:22:58,560 Speaker 1: is draw a draw a line at the middle of 497 00:22:58,560 --> 00:23:01,040 Speaker 1: the schedule and look at the those first eight games 498 00:23:01,040 --> 00:23:03,440 Speaker 1: of the season and know that that is a very 499 00:23:03,480 --> 00:23:06,200 Speaker 1: difficult schedule for a three and third team team with 500 00:23:06,240 --> 00:23:10,040 Speaker 1: the brand new staff. About of the roster has turned 501 00:23:10,040 --> 00:23:13,280 Speaker 1: over here. So I mean, yeah, be optimistic, but also 502 00:23:13,320 --> 00:23:15,720 Speaker 1: be realistic in the sense that you gotta understand this 503 00:23:15,800 --> 00:23:17,679 Speaker 1: is still a team that has a long ways to go, 504 00:23:18,600 --> 00:23:20,960 Speaker 1: and not saying that they can't do good things, but 505 00:23:21,000 --> 00:23:23,120 Speaker 1: I would I would air on the side that they're 506 00:23:23,160 --> 00:23:25,760 Speaker 1: gonna be a little bit in a rebuilding mode. I mean, 507 00:23:25,760 --> 00:23:27,400 Speaker 1: they kind of want to win now kind of thing. 508 00:23:27,680 --> 00:23:29,439 Speaker 1: I think that's that's kind of what It just depends 509 00:23:29,440 --> 00:23:31,920 Speaker 1: on what you think when now and rebuilding is rebuilding 510 00:23:31,960 --> 00:23:34,000 Speaker 1: to me, as they clean the roster out and and 511 00:23:34,040 --> 00:23:36,600 Speaker 1: you're kind of, you know, you're that Giants aren't rebuilding 512 00:23:36,640 --> 00:23:40,040 Speaker 1: in the sense I think retooling. They still have a 513 00:23:40,119 --> 00:23:42,800 Speaker 1: quarterback that's ready has one or two years left on him. 514 00:23:42,800 --> 00:23:44,359 Speaker 1: They got to get the mileage out of him. They 515 00:23:44,359 --> 00:23:46,240 Speaker 1: gets the kawon Barkley, they get a you know, so 516 00:23:46,280 --> 00:23:48,080 Speaker 1: they went out and got some good free agencies. So 517 00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:50,520 Speaker 1: to me, yeah, they're they're rebuilding in a sense, but 518 00:23:50,560 --> 00:23:52,880 Speaker 1: it is kind of a retooling. As you say, well, 519 00:23:52,920 --> 00:23:54,520 Speaker 1: I think we're gonna be able to tell a lot 520 00:23:54,560 --> 00:23:58,720 Speaker 1: about the offense in the first quarter of this season, Jeff. 521 00:23:58,760 --> 00:24:01,320 Speaker 1: And the reason I bring that up is because they're 522 00:24:01,359 --> 00:24:04,800 Speaker 1: going up against good defenses to start the season. So 523 00:24:04,960 --> 00:24:07,280 Speaker 1: if the offense can handle its business in the early 524 00:24:07,320 --> 00:24:10,080 Speaker 1: stages of the season, especially Week one of course home 525 00:24:10,119 --> 00:24:12,680 Speaker 1: against Jacksonville. But I'm even going a little further at Houston. 526 00:24:13,080 --> 00:24:16,560 Speaker 1: You know, J. J. Watt, David Clowney back to full health. 527 00:24:16,600 --> 00:24:18,919 Speaker 1: Those guys you need to take into consideration. End, you know, 528 00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:21,200 Speaker 1: do not sleep on the Saints defense, which I think 529 00:24:21,200 --> 00:24:22,960 Speaker 1: has come a long way over the last few seasons. 530 00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:25,480 Speaker 1: That's now a balanced New Orleans team. It's no longer 531 00:24:28,160 --> 00:24:30,080 Speaker 1: Brees go out there, score forty five and let's hope 532 00:24:30,080 --> 00:24:32,320 Speaker 1: we win a game. That Don Nelson school of thought 533 00:24:32,320 --> 00:24:34,840 Speaker 1: in the NBA. We're gonna outscore everybody. We're not necessarily 534 00:24:34,840 --> 00:24:38,600 Speaker 1: gonna stop anybody. So right there, three teams, you know, 535 00:24:38,640 --> 00:24:40,480 Speaker 1: and Dallas could be hit or miss. A lot of 536 00:24:40,520 --> 00:24:43,119 Speaker 1: young guys on that team. They gotta pass rushing to 537 00:24:43,240 --> 00:24:45,679 Speaker 1: Marcus Lawrence and company. But I think they've got some 538 00:24:45,800 --> 00:24:47,520 Speaker 1: proving to do. So that's why I think three of 539 00:24:47,560 --> 00:24:50,359 Speaker 1: the four, you could say, on paper, look good. Whereas 540 00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:52,080 Speaker 1: if the offense is able to get in the end zone, 541 00:24:52,119 --> 00:24:54,640 Speaker 1: put up consistent points, you know, then I think they'll 542 00:24:54,640 --> 00:24:56,520 Speaker 1: feel good about themselves. That Hey, if we could do 543 00:24:56,600 --> 00:24:58,880 Speaker 1: it against Jacksonville. We could do it against Houston. There's 544 00:24:58,920 --> 00:25:00,480 Speaker 1: no reason why we can't do it gainst the rest 545 00:25:00,520 --> 00:25:02,560 Speaker 1: of the teams in our division. As far as the 546 00:25:02,600 --> 00:25:06,720 Speaker 1: defense is concerned, I mean, look at the quarterbacks they're 547 00:25:06,720 --> 00:25:09,280 Speaker 1: going up against this season, Jeff, you don't really have 548 00:25:09,359 --> 00:25:12,000 Speaker 1: a gimme type of game. And you know you want 549 00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:14,600 Speaker 1: to say, well, Blake Bortles is an up and down quarterback. 550 00:25:14,640 --> 00:25:16,760 Speaker 1: That's fine, But you have guys that have helped their 551 00:25:16,800 --> 00:25:20,000 Speaker 1: teams get to the playoffs, and one he's probably the 552 00:25:20,040 --> 00:25:22,440 Speaker 1: only one on that list. I mean, Dak Prescott. Okay, 553 00:25:22,480 --> 00:25:24,760 Speaker 1: but the guy still he's a starter. He's a good player. 554 00:25:25,080 --> 00:25:27,959 Speaker 1: I mean, he's better than that. I mean, and then 555 00:25:27,960 --> 00:25:29,320 Speaker 1: all of a sudden you go down the list here, 556 00:25:30,040 --> 00:25:32,520 Speaker 1: Deshaun Watson did not play a lot as a rookie, 557 00:25:32,520 --> 00:25:36,960 Speaker 1: got hurt, but still a dynamic talent. Drew Brees, cam 558 00:25:37,080 --> 00:25:39,879 Speaker 1: Nick Foles or Carson Wentz. It really makes no difference. 559 00:25:39,920 --> 00:25:42,040 Speaker 1: At this point, and we're up to week six, you 560 00:25:42,040 --> 00:25:44,920 Speaker 1: would assume wins He is ready to go, Matt Ryan, 561 00:25:45,359 --> 00:25:48,840 Speaker 1: Alex Smith, then you get to buy Jimmy Garoppolo. Jamis 562 00:25:48,840 --> 00:25:51,679 Speaker 1: Winston is gonna be back for week eleven wins again. 563 00:25:52,119 --> 00:25:56,600 Speaker 1: Mitchell Trubisky, Okay, still inexperienced second year in the league, 564 00:25:56,640 --> 00:25:58,760 Speaker 1: but who knows what he's gonna look like though, Jeff 565 00:25:58,760 --> 00:26:01,679 Speaker 1: by week thirteen gonna talk about now you've got a 566 00:26:01,760 --> 00:26:04,320 Speaker 1: full season under your belt because he would have played 567 00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:07,560 Speaker 1: the entire first half of the season. Alex Smith, Marcus Mariota, 568 00:26:07,840 --> 00:26:10,119 Speaker 1: Andrew Luck who's looked good so far in camp. And 569 00:26:10,119 --> 00:26:13,920 Speaker 1: then Doc again once again. I mean, you're not going 570 00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:17,520 Speaker 1: up against at least on paper as it stands right now. 571 00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:19,239 Speaker 1: Now people are gonna call up and tell me, well, 572 00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:21,800 Speaker 1: who knows what the hell the redskin is gonna look 573 00:26:21,800 --> 00:26:24,000 Speaker 1: like in week fourteen? And injuries may play a role. 574 00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:25,840 Speaker 1: I get that, But if we're just gonna judge the 575 00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:28,720 Speaker 1: schedule as it stands, right the first quarter, okay, these 576 00:26:28,800 --> 00:26:32,200 Speaker 1: right here, you've got, you know what you gotts, Doc, 577 00:26:32,359 --> 00:26:35,840 Speaker 1: Deshaun Watson, Drew Brees, Okay, so you know, tough tests 578 00:26:36,119 --> 00:26:38,159 Speaker 1: for the defense. And I'm not saying it based on 579 00:26:38,240 --> 00:26:41,520 Speaker 1: just individual stats. Watson's a mobile quarterback, okay, so with him, 580 00:26:41,520 --> 00:26:43,919 Speaker 1: you're gonna have to account for the run. Blake Bortles 581 00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:45,840 Speaker 1: is a mobile quarterback. You have to account for his 582 00:26:45,920 --> 00:26:48,159 Speaker 1: legs as well. Doc is a mobile quarterback. You have 583 00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:50,720 Speaker 1: to account for that. Drew is really the first guy 584 00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:54,560 Speaker 1: that's solely a pocket passer of the first four games, 585 00:26:55,160 --> 00:26:57,280 Speaker 1: and he'll move the pocket a little bit too. You 586 00:26:57,280 --> 00:26:59,919 Speaker 1: know what's ironic about this schedule if you look at it, 587 00:27:00,359 --> 00:27:03,280 Speaker 1: the Giants, other than the first, the second, and the 588 00:27:03,359 --> 00:27:06,119 Speaker 1: third game, they have a home and then away away everything. 589 00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:08,800 Speaker 1: It's a it's alternating. That's a good boy. I have 590 00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:11,800 Speaker 1: never seen that before. I remember looking over the schedule. 591 00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:13,440 Speaker 1: I said the same thing. Can normally they've had two 592 00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:16,040 Speaker 1: straight home games, two straight road games or something like that, 593 00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:19,399 Speaker 1: but very rare that you get week there's going to 594 00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:21,840 Speaker 1: be a home game. That's pretty cool. So that means 595 00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:24,200 Speaker 1: the I guess the Jets would have to be very 596 00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:28,879 Speaker 1: similar to the schedule or well. Also the way that 597 00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:30,160 Speaker 1: it works is and I didn't look at the Jet 598 00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:33,520 Speaker 1: schedule that carefully. But sometimes about I'm not saying that, 599 00:27:33,640 --> 00:27:36,879 Speaker 1: but I don't hear you're pudding the words. If doesn't 600 00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:40,320 Speaker 1: care about the Jets schedule, well, for my other gigs, 601 00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:44,720 Speaker 1: I think I gotta pay attention, as we say, for 602 00:27:44,760 --> 00:27:47,880 Speaker 1: this exercise, I don't care about the Jets schedule point 603 00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:50,480 Speaker 1: well taken in terms of that, But what we've seen 604 00:27:50,520 --> 00:27:52,360 Speaker 1: in the past is, you know, sometimes the Giants will 605 00:27:52,359 --> 00:27:54,280 Speaker 1: play on Monday night or at Thursday night game and 606 00:27:54,320 --> 00:27:57,240 Speaker 1: the Jets could still be home because the stadium could 607 00:27:57,240 --> 00:27:59,639 Speaker 1: be turned around quickly so that I didn't look at. 608 00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:01,239 Speaker 1: I know, were a few times in the last few 609 00:28:01,280 --> 00:28:04,000 Speaker 1: seasons where they've had, you know, the Giants play Sunday, 610 00:28:04,119 --> 00:28:07,120 Speaker 1: the Jets play Monday night or vice versa, and both 611 00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:10,280 Speaker 1: teams at home something like that. Exactly, They're still playing 612 00:28:10,280 --> 00:28:12,560 Speaker 1: the Thursday night game. I'm still playing the Thursday night games. 613 00:28:12,680 --> 00:28:15,280 Speaker 1: Gets that? Actually, speaking of that, I'm glad you brought 614 00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:18,920 Speaker 1: that up. Football's officially back tonight. There was the Hall 615 00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:23,440 Speaker 1: of Fame game tonight. No, the Hall of Fame speeches 616 00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:26,800 Speaker 1: are Saturday, but remember that year, about two years ago. 617 00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:30,440 Speaker 1: The Hall of Fame speeches are Saturday. Games usually Sunday night, 618 00:28:30,760 --> 00:28:32,840 Speaker 1: So if you remember, I don't. It was a game 619 00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:36,359 Speaker 1: involving the Packers Sunday night. They start preparing the field 620 00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:40,200 Speaker 1: and it was sticky on the field, and the field 621 00:28:40,240 --> 00:28:43,200 Speaker 1: was it was rock hard, it was peeling apart. So 622 00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:45,160 Speaker 1: they looked over and the players said there's no way 623 00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:47,680 Speaker 1: we're getting hit on the ground, and they canceled the game. 624 00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:51,000 Speaker 1: So what they decided now was we're going to have 625 00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:54,600 Speaker 1: the game before the ceremony, which makes one sense. So 626 00:28:54,680 --> 00:28:57,480 Speaker 1: then after the game's done, then you put the covering down, 627 00:28:57,520 --> 00:28:59,760 Speaker 1: you put the chairs, and you have the whole ceremony. 628 00:28:59,800 --> 00:29:02,760 Speaker 1: So that that's why the game is now Serursday night. Interesting. Okay, yes, 629 00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:05,400 Speaker 1: all right, I guess it doesn't matter. I mean, everybody 630 00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:08,760 Speaker 1: loves to play five preseason games anyways, right, Oh, absolutely, 631 00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:10,960 Speaker 1: I'm sure you look forward to the extra punts he 632 00:29:11,040 --> 00:29:15,000 Speaker 1: got in the fifth preseason game, right, hated him, hated him, 633 00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:17,440 Speaker 1: you know. And and really you have to go to 634 00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:20,000 Speaker 1: you get you go to camp a week early because 635 00:29:20,040 --> 00:29:24,760 Speaker 1: of it, that's true, that's right, So your camp is elongated. Well, hey, 636 00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:27,320 Speaker 1: the Giants experience had a few years ago, what Strand 637 00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:31,640 Speaker 1: the R Strand was inducted. They had the preseason game 638 00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:34,360 Speaker 1: against Buffalo. I correct, it was against Buffalo. I remember 639 00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:37,440 Speaker 1: I went to that and because Ray guy was getting inducted. 640 00:29:37,480 --> 00:29:39,480 Speaker 1: That's right. I remember that you had actually connections that 641 00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:42,080 Speaker 1: just about everybody in that class, because I remember I 642 00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:45,000 Speaker 1: had draw my serious show. You sort of reminisced about everybody. 643 00:29:45,560 --> 00:29:50,080 Speaker 1: Williams correct, and then we had, of course Michael, and 644 00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:54,080 Speaker 1: then we had Um the left tackle for Um Jones, 645 00:29:54,440 --> 00:29:56,920 Speaker 1: Walter Jones, Walter Jones for the Seahawks, that's right, And 646 00:29:56,960 --> 00:29:58,600 Speaker 1: then there might have been one other one in Yeah, 647 00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:00,880 Speaker 1: there was at least you knew four or five and 648 00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:05,800 Speaker 1: my team class easily that was a very unique class. Yeah, 649 00:30:06,040 --> 00:30:11,120 Speaker 1: and all the punters went out there. Ye. Really fun time. 650 00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:14,880 Speaker 1: So Dave, our producer, has done some heavy lifting in 651 00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:17,960 Speaker 1: terms of research, Jeff, because I know how animated you 652 00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:20,800 Speaker 1: are about the Jet schedule. So he says, they actually 653 00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:23,520 Speaker 1: have a very sporadic schedule. Weeks five through seven, they 654 00:30:23,560 --> 00:30:25,720 Speaker 1: have three straight home games and then they have back 655 00:30:25,800 --> 00:30:29,040 Speaker 1: to back road games three different times. So it's actually 656 00:30:29,040 --> 00:30:33,160 Speaker 1: not similar to the Giants. Yes, they go well, sure, 657 00:30:33,320 --> 00:30:36,880 Speaker 1: everybody listening and watching now feels relaxed, feels much better 658 00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:40,240 Speaker 1: about themselves. They broke down the Jet doesn't really care 659 00:30:40,280 --> 00:30:42,960 Speaker 1: about the Jets either. And then Dave just put that 660 00:30:43,040 --> 00:30:45,800 Speaker 1: up for me, not exactly only for you. He's only 661 00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:47,800 Speaker 1: here to meet your needs. I mean, I'm an afterthought 662 00:30:47,800 --> 00:30:50,560 Speaker 1: when it comes to this program. Two zero, one, four 663 00:30:50,600 --> 00:30:52,680 Speaker 1: or five one, three, line four. We got Pete on 664 00:30:52,720 --> 00:31:01,520 Speaker 1: Staten Island. Pete, what's happening? Man? Good bully? Are you 665 00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:05,120 Speaker 1: doing You want to go up for a couple of Yeah, 666 00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:06,880 Speaker 1: that's no. I had to last night. I can't have 667 00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:12,239 Speaker 1: any more. Huh, meet your limit already? Yeah? I love it. 668 00:31:12,320 --> 00:31:15,400 Speaker 1: I love it. I love it? Are you guys? Do? Listen? 669 00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:21,280 Speaker 1: First off, check and first of Jeck, we picked up 670 00:31:21,320 --> 00:31:25,240 Speaker 1: a punch of tackle yesterday. What's his name from the 671 00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:32,000 Speaker 1: Cleveland Browns? Right, he was, Yeah, you're asking me. Didn't 672 00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:36,720 Speaker 1: pronounce the name? Really, you're gonna get Okay, Well, look 673 00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:42,440 Speaker 1: at I think that Victor Silaco, right, six sixty. Yeah, 674 00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:45,680 Speaker 1: he's got a very big frame. Yeah, all right. Did 675 00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:48,400 Speaker 1: he ever play? Well, he's been on practice. I know 676 00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:52,160 Speaker 1: he was on the Eagles practice squad, right, and then 677 00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:54,720 Speaker 1: and then it was with Cleveland, as I mentioned, and 678 00:31:54,760 --> 00:31:57,440 Speaker 1: then Cleveland just recently let him go, and that's how 679 00:31:57,440 --> 00:32:00,280 Speaker 1: the Giants were able to claim him. Okay, and he's 680 00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:03,520 Speaker 1: never he's actually never played an NFL snap of my 681 00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:06,480 Speaker 1: spend life with the practice Well, he was cut in 682 00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:09,480 Speaker 1: camp by the Eagles last year and then signed back 683 00:32:09,520 --> 00:32:12,760 Speaker 1: to their practice squad. They released him in mid September, 684 00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:14,960 Speaker 1: and then the Brown signed him to their practice squad 685 00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:17,560 Speaker 1: in late October and that's where he finished this season. Yes, 686 00:32:17,600 --> 00:32:19,560 Speaker 1: so they answer your question. He has never appeared in 687 00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:23,360 Speaker 1: a regular season game. Okay, at the Bury least. I mean, listen, 688 00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:26,440 Speaker 1: we need warm bodies at this point, so it doesn't 689 00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:28,960 Speaker 1: That's one way to look at it. You know, anything 690 00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:32,160 Speaker 1: for death, if you breathe him, pick them up, you 691 00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:36,600 Speaker 1: know at this point, uh, for death purposes. Um, you know, 692 00:32:36,760 --> 00:32:38,880 Speaker 1: first off, he agree with that because I have to 693 00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:42,360 Speaker 1: imagine the pickens are going to be slim. Well, I mean, 694 00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:44,800 Speaker 1: I don't think there's any crime. I agree with you, Pete. 695 00:32:44,800 --> 00:32:47,320 Speaker 1: I don't think there's any crime in scouting talent that's 696 00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:49,640 Speaker 1: let go and bringing them in. But I mean, keep 697 00:32:49,680 --> 00:32:51,360 Speaker 1: in mind, he has not been with the Giants the 698 00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:54,640 Speaker 1: entire spring period. He's now first learning the playbook, and 699 00:32:54,920 --> 00:32:56,640 Speaker 1: I think they're really not going to tell what he 700 00:32:56,640 --> 00:32:58,520 Speaker 1: could do until they put him in a preseason game. 701 00:32:58,560 --> 00:33:00,520 Speaker 1: But yeah, at this point you had an demon on 702 00:33:00,520 --> 00:33:03,040 Speaker 1: the roster. There is no crime in trying to get 703 00:33:03,080 --> 00:33:06,440 Speaker 1: the best ninety players that you think right now you're 704 00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:08,760 Speaker 1: capable of getting, and let the best man win out. 705 00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:10,800 Speaker 1: But I still think the guys that have been in 706 00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:13,840 Speaker 1: camp in fairness and have been here old Spring have 707 00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:16,760 Speaker 1: a significant leg up on him, given the fact that 708 00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:20,640 Speaker 1: they're much more acclimated to the playbook. Absolutely, And but 709 00:33:20,760 --> 00:33:23,840 Speaker 1: I understand and you know, listen, from what I've been reading, 710 00:33:23,840 --> 00:33:27,200 Speaker 1: means what you guys have been saying, Um, you know, 711 00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:32,120 Speaker 1: so far anyway, Uh, Mr Wheeler and Mr Beckton have 712 00:33:32,320 --> 00:33:36,800 Speaker 1: not been really having good games since we well at 713 00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:40,280 Speaker 1: least since we put the pads on. Would that be accurate? Well, 714 00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:43,800 Speaker 1: I think that Lorenzo Carter has looked really good, and 715 00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:46,560 Speaker 1: when he's been going up against the second unit, you know, 716 00:33:46,600 --> 00:33:49,240 Speaker 1: we've seen a lot of penetration. Barwin even was going 717 00:33:49,320 --> 00:33:51,360 Speaker 1: up against the second team. And you know, you put 718 00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:54,200 Speaker 1: a seasoned vet who's entering year number ten in the 719 00:33:54,320 --> 00:33:58,240 Speaker 1: NFL and you put him against a second year offensive tackle. Yeah, 720 00:33:58,280 --> 00:34:01,600 Speaker 1: Connor Barwin should win those battles. Second you're undrafted tackle 721 00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:04,200 Speaker 1: better point even so, Yeah, I mean I think I 722 00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:08,120 Speaker 1: think at times they certainly, you know, have had some 723 00:34:08,120 --> 00:34:10,960 Speaker 1: struggles with some of the veteran defensive lineman and needs 724 00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:12,800 Speaker 1: some of the young guys. But it's also a small 725 00:34:12,840 --> 00:34:15,279 Speaker 1: sample size. And you know, I like to wait and 726 00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:17,879 Speaker 1: see what happens in the preseason games before I jump 727 00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:20,960 Speaker 1: to conclusions about players in their upside. But one thing 728 00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:23,560 Speaker 1: I will say is, as Pat Shermer mentioned, he does 729 00:34:23,719 --> 00:34:26,160 Speaker 1: love the fact that guys, whether on the first unit 730 00:34:26,239 --> 00:34:28,040 Speaker 1: or the second unit, to going out there. They're competing 731 00:34:28,080 --> 00:34:30,840 Speaker 1: every day. And that's what he noted specifically about Wheeler 732 00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:33,160 Speaker 1: and Beckton. They're competing. They may not be winning their 733 00:34:33,160 --> 00:34:35,239 Speaker 1: battles every single down, but the guys are going out 734 00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:37,520 Speaker 1: there and they're embracing the competition, which is what you 735 00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:40,799 Speaker 1: want to see absolutely. And you know, if you don't 736 00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:43,840 Speaker 1: mind to add one of the question for you, Um, 737 00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:47,600 Speaker 1: and this pretends to David Webb, Um, has he been 738 00:34:47,680 --> 00:34:50,879 Speaker 1: getting reps with the first unit? Also aout and I'll 739 00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:53,680 Speaker 1: ask you, and I'll tell you what I'm asking this. Um, 740 00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:58,160 Speaker 1: has he been getting the first unit reps? I have 741 00:34:58,280 --> 00:35:01,000 Speaker 1: seen him mostly with the second team. ELI has mainly 742 00:35:01,040 --> 00:35:03,520 Speaker 1: been in with the first team. The only reps he 743 00:35:03,560 --> 00:35:06,960 Speaker 1: would get is if if if Eli was you know, 744 00:35:07,719 --> 00:35:11,759 Speaker 1: over there at the drinking fountain or talking to or 745 00:35:11,760 --> 00:35:14,759 Speaker 1: something like that. But you know, right now, these Eli 746 00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:16,960 Speaker 1: needs all the reps he can get with that offensive line, 747 00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:21,319 Speaker 1: first team and his receivers and Sequan and everybody else. Right, 748 00:35:21,360 --> 00:35:23,440 Speaker 1: And the only reason that I brought it up is 749 00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:28,200 Speaker 1: because you know, um, I happen to feel when you know, 750 00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:31,160 Speaker 1: certainly I'm no coach or whatever, but I happen to 751 00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:34,680 Speaker 1: feel that if Davis worked, and I'm sure you know, 752 00:35:34,719 --> 00:35:37,200 Speaker 1: at some point, maybe even the pre season, you will 753 00:35:37,239 --> 00:35:40,520 Speaker 1: see him with the first team. But if tough of it, 754 00:35:40,719 --> 00:35:45,080 Speaker 1: something happens to Eli, at least Davis will have played 755 00:35:45,120 --> 00:35:47,760 Speaker 1: with the first a few times and the guys would 756 00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:52,560 Speaker 1: have gained some sort of confidence in his abilities. What 757 00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:54,239 Speaker 1: I'm saying, I mean, it kind of makes sense to me. 758 00:35:54,360 --> 00:35:56,440 Speaker 1: I don't know, Well, the only the only time you're 759 00:35:56,480 --> 00:35:59,120 Speaker 1: gonna see Davis Webb is when Eli is not in 760 00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:04,080 Speaker 1: uniform on the sideline. I mean, I if both of 761 00:36:04,080 --> 00:36:07,239 Speaker 1: them are suited up and they're gonna play, Eli is 762 00:36:07,239 --> 00:36:09,680 Speaker 1: gonna play, He's gonna play with that first team, and 763 00:36:09,719 --> 00:36:12,160 Speaker 1: then Eli is coming out, okay, Or there might be 764 00:36:12,200 --> 00:36:16,080 Speaker 1: a situation um where coach Sherman says, list and I'd 765 00:36:16,080 --> 00:36:18,080 Speaker 1: like to get this offensive line to play a little 766 00:36:18,120 --> 00:36:20,480 Speaker 1: bit more. I don't need Eli to be in there. 767 00:36:20,520 --> 00:36:23,040 Speaker 1: So Davis, you're gonna get it some maybe maybe a 768 00:36:23,040 --> 00:36:25,879 Speaker 1: half a quarter or something with the first team. That's 769 00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:28,319 Speaker 1: probably you might see that, but I don't, you know, 770 00:36:28,600 --> 00:36:30,800 Speaker 1: I just don't see him going out as a starter 771 00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:33,239 Speaker 1: with the first team and Eli, unless Eli was was 772 00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:35,040 Speaker 1: going to not play the game. Yeah, I agree with 773 00:36:35,120 --> 00:36:37,160 Speaker 1: Jeff Pete. And the other thing to keep in mind 774 00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:39,600 Speaker 1: is even if he is in with some of the 775 00:36:39,680 --> 00:36:41,879 Speaker 1: first team offensive lineman, I don't even know if he'd 776 00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:44,480 Speaker 1: have the entire five min front, but he've had some 777 00:36:44,520 --> 00:36:46,440 Speaker 1: of them. That doesn't mean, though, that the number one 778 00:36:46,480 --> 00:36:48,600 Speaker 1: wide receivers are gonna be at Jeff, So he'd still 779 00:36:48,600 --> 00:36:51,040 Speaker 1: be working with the players that he's thrown two more 780 00:36:51,360 --> 00:36:54,960 Speaker 1: in practice that necessarily old Dell Beckham at Sterling Shepard. Now, 781 00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:57,920 Speaker 1: the one thing I will tell you that because if 782 00:36:57,960 --> 00:36:59,560 Speaker 1: you think it makes sense, So if you're if you're 783 00:36:59,640 --> 00:37:02,680 Speaker 1: Davis web how and I see where you're your question 784 00:37:02,760 --> 00:37:06,200 Speaker 1: here makes sense. How is Davis Webb going to get 785 00:37:06,280 --> 00:37:09,360 Speaker 1: some experience with the ones in case anything ever happened? 786 00:37:09,960 --> 00:37:11,799 Speaker 1: Right and so? And if in the way he's not 787 00:37:11,800 --> 00:37:14,440 Speaker 1: getting any snaps with the ones in practice, which is true, 788 00:37:15,040 --> 00:37:18,120 Speaker 1: these guys get a lot of individual snaps okay when 789 00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:20,960 Speaker 1: they do one on ones, okay, because the receivers are 790 00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:24,000 Speaker 1: out there, they're kind of mixing through. So Davis Webb 791 00:37:24,040 --> 00:37:25,480 Speaker 1: is going to get a chance to throw to O'Dell 792 00:37:25,560 --> 00:37:27,880 Speaker 1: Beckham every once in a while against the one on 793 00:37:27,880 --> 00:37:30,000 Speaker 1: one match up when they're doing one on one drills. Okay. 794 00:37:30,040 --> 00:37:32,239 Speaker 1: So it's not like Davis Webb never throws O. B 795 00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:34,920 Speaker 1: J or anybody's other guys. They do them in the drills, 796 00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:37,840 Speaker 1: but just in eleven on eleven stuff, it doesn't happen 797 00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:42,000 Speaker 1: that often. Okay. So even in the preseason, you don't 798 00:37:42,680 --> 00:37:52,080 Speaker 1: with the well, he might be with the scattered the field, correct, Yeah, 799 00:37:52,080 --> 00:37:54,319 Speaker 1: he may be with a few pieces of the first team. 800 00:37:54,440 --> 00:37:57,240 Speaker 1: The other thing you gotta understand, and most teams find 801 00:37:57,280 --> 00:38:00,560 Speaker 1: this challenging when their starter goes down. There's only so 802 00:38:00,600 --> 00:38:02,640 Speaker 1: many reps during the course of the week, in practice 803 00:38:02,640 --> 00:38:04,719 Speaker 1: and even in training camp for the first team to 804 00:38:04,760 --> 00:38:07,680 Speaker 1: be out there, pete. So that's why with Eli Manning 805 00:38:07,719 --> 00:38:10,400 Speaker 1: and this being a new offense, this is not necessarily 806 00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:12,239 Speaker 1: the time of the year where you're thinking, well, you know, 807 00:38:12,280 --> 00:38:14,720 Speaker 1: we also want to give Davis Websum looks in case 808 00:38:14,840 --> 00:38:17,800 Speaker 1: as an insurance policy when ELI needs as many reps 809 00:38:17,840 --> 00:38:20,640 Speaker 1: as possible right now because it's a brand new offense. 810 00:38:20,680 --> 00:38:23,480 Speaker 1: If this was year ten of the offense, then maybe, 811 00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:25,279 Speaker 1: you know, they would say to themselves, all right, let's 812 00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:27,040 Speaker 1: have maybe Davis take a few more reps with the 813 00:38:27,040 --> 00:38:30,040 Speaker 1: first team. But there's limited snaps to begin with. Most 814 00:38:30,080 --> 00:38:32,600 Speaker 1: teams don't have the luxury to do that. Case in point, Pete, 815 00:38:32,600 --> 00:38:36,040 Speaker 1: if you remember when Patrick Mahomes started for Alex Smith 816 00:38:36,080 --> 00:38:39,040 Speaker 1: in week seventeen, the Chiefs they already locked up a 817 00:38:39,080 --> 00:38:40,719 Speaker 1: playoff spot. They were like, all right, let's see what 818 00:38:40,719 --> 00:38:43,080 Speaker 1: the rookie can do. Yeah, he may have gotten in 819 00:38:43,160 --> 00:38:45,759 Speaker 1: some reps at practice, but the only reason being is 820 00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:47,839 Speaker 1: because they knew they didn't have anything to play for, 821 00:38:48,120 --> 00:38:50,720 Speaker 1: so they had that luxury. If it was a normal week, 822 00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:54,440 Speaker 1: they were not going to take Alex Smith out from 823 00:38:54,480 --> 00:38:57,040 Speaker 1: under center. I got you, I got you, And I 824 00:38:59,080 --> 00:39:03,160 Speaker 1: saw him from his knees. I saw him for a thought. 825 00:39:04,600 --> 00:39:08,000 Speaker 1: He's got a hell of an arm he does. Yeah, unbelievable. Alright, Pete, 826 00:39:09,040 --> 00:39:15,640 Speaker 1: you got next time? He thank you, alright, appreciate the 827 00:39:15,640 --> 00:39:18,400 Speaker 1: foe call Tigers in second place. You know, this is 828 00:39:18,440 --> 00:39:20,680 Speaker 1: a golf show. Okay, alright, well what is it the 829 00:39:20,840 --> 00:39:24,200 Speaker 1: w g C right, Yeah, okay, class, just wanted to 830 00:39:24,200 --> 00:39:26,160 Speaker 1: make sure I get the right he's two shots back, 831 00:39:26,160 --> 00:39:28,120 Speaker 1: two shots back. Okay, see that. You never know what 832 00:39:28,120 --> 00:39:30,080 Speaker 1: will update you here on Big Blue Kick Golf Live. 833 00:39:30,160 --> 00:39:32,160 Speaker 1: We we may give you even some news and notes 834 00:39:32,200 --> 00:39:36,360 Speaker 1: from NBA Free agency. There's there's there's there's callers and 835 00:39:36,440 --> 00:39:38,759 Speaker 1: viewers of our show that are golf guys. And there's 836 00:39:38,800 --> 00:39:42,239 Speaker 1: callers and viewers that also can multitask, like you could 837 00:39:42,239 --> 00:39:45,160 Speaker 1: follow golf as well. Let's host the show. It was 838 00:39:45,239 --> 00:39:47,400 Speaker 1: just post on Twitter, so it's not like I'm following. 839 00:39:47,560 --> 00:39:48,640 Speaker 1: I say, I was going to try to give you 840 00:39:48,680 --> 00:39:51,160 Speaker 1: a little bit more credit. Now you're selling yourself short, Okay, 841 00:39:51,440 --> 00:39:53,439 Speaker 1: I actually have golf up your end talking and doing 842 00:39:53,440 --> 00:39:55,399 Speaker 1: the show now, just kidding. Let's head back to the lines. 843 00:39:55,440 --> 00:39:59,240 Speaker 1: Let's go to line one. Angelo in Cincinnati. Angelo, what's happening? Hi? Angelo? 844 00:40:00,280 --> 00:40:05,800 Speaker 1: How you doing guys for us? I'm started to do 845 00:40:05,960 --> 00:40:12,600 Speaker 1: this because I know we just kicked off offensive tackles 846 00:40:13,120 --> 00:40:17,879 Speaker 1: um off Waivers. What's the serial on that? Like if 847 00:40:18,960 --> 00:40:22,200 Speaker 1: if we've picked somebody up both Waivers from another team 848 00:40:22,239 --> 00:40:26,239 Speaker 1: and another team released him. What's the purpose of let's 849 00:40:26,280 --> 00:40:28,880 Speaker 1: say the Giants picking them up, Well, they feel that 850 00:40:28,920 --> 00:40:31,239 Speaker 1: they could upgrade the roster overall. I mean, I think 851 00:40:31,280 --> 00:40:34,480 Speaker 1: Dave Gettleman made it clear he is always with his 852 00:40:34,560 --> 00:40:37,520 Speaker 1: scouting team looking for better talent and if those players 853 00:40:37,560 --> 00:40:41,120 Speaker 1: become available. Pat Shermer even went into detail. What happens 854 00:40:41,200 --> 00:40:43,920 Speaker 1: is the scouting department lets the coaching staff know, hey, 855 00:40:44,200 --> 00:40:47,040 Speaker 1: this player is somebody we've been monitoring. He's now out 856 00:40:47,040 --> 00:40:50,200 Speaker 1: on the market. The coaching staff then weighs in, gives 857 00:40:50,200 --> 00:40:52,680 Speaker 1: their thoughts on the player, and they determine whether or 858 00:40:52,719 --> 00:40:55,719 Speaker 1: not that truly is an upgrade because maybe they feel 859 00:40:55,719 --> 00:40:58,080 Speaker 1: they want an extra offensive lineman in camp and they 860 00:40:58,120 --> 00:41:00,759 Speaker 1: have enough depth at another position and they're willing to 861 00:41:00,760 --> 00:41:03,319 Speaker 1: make that sacrifice. You also have to understand Angelo too, 862 00:41:03,400 --> 00:41:06,960 Speaker 1: that when one comes, one goes. So that's basically so 863 00:41:07,360 --> 00:41:10,120 Speaker 1: with the roster. You always have something going on. So 864 00:41:10,239 --> 00:41:12,319 Speaker 1: there if there's a guy that, for instance, it gets 865 00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:14,600 Speaker 1: hurt and is put on I R, then that opens 866 00:41:14,640 --> 00:41:16,560 Speaker 1: up a roster spot. Then the teams can go and 867 00:41:16,560 --> 00:41:18,719 Speaker 1: find another guy on waivers or whatever and bring a 868 00:41:18,760 --> 00:41:21,160 Speaker 1: guy in. Okay, So with this signing, I don't know, 869 00:41:21,480 --> 00:41:23,319 Speaker 1: the Giants had to get rid of somebody unless they 870 00:41:23,320 --> 00:41:25,840 Speaker 1: had sometimes they carry an open spot. But you know 871 00:41:26,040 --> 00:41:27,960 Speaker 1: they got rid of gern Jones there as a result 872 00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:30,480 Speaker 1: of bringing the offensive line. There you go. Okay, well, 873 00:41:30,520 --> 00:41:34,480 Speaker 1: I know, I know Charlie is extremely happy. Oh you can. 874 00:41:34,800 --> 00:41:37,520 Speaker 1: He's doing backflips right now. Absolutely now. He keep this 875 00:41:37,560 --> 00:41:39,520 Speaker 1: in mind, though, keep this in mind, Angel. He knows 876 00:41:39,560 --> 00:41:42,120 Speaker 1: nothing about that offensive lineman. See that's the funny thing. 877 00:41:42,320 --> 00:41:44,600 Speaker 1: He doesn't know the guy if he walked past him 878 00:41:44,600 --> 00:41:46,920 Speaker 1: in the street. But he's an offensive lineman. He's got 879 00:41:46,920 --> 00:41:50,520 Speaker 1: experience at tackle. Signed him up. Oh, I think it's 880 00:41:50,520 --> 00:41:52,640 Speaker 1: so funny. Every time I listened to this show, always 881 00:41:52,680 --> 00:41:54,960 Speaker 1: to my wife and my go the guys in New 882 00:41:55,040 --> 00:41:57,680 Speaker 1: York are so funny the podcast listen to because they 883 00:41:57,760 --> 00:42:01,880 Speaker 1: confused this guy that about Eric Flowers and I know 884 00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:04,719 Speaker 1: y'all just seizing him. But it's so funny because I 885 00:42:04,719 --> 00:42:09,319 Speaker 1: think personally, I think with Nate Soldier, I think that 886 00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:12,360 Speaker 1: could really boost the confidence of Eric Flawers, because I 887 00:42:12,400 --> 00:42:15,160 Speaker 1: thought Eric Flawers did a better job last year than 888 00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:17,720 Speaker 1: the previous years. You know, he went with nine weeks 889 00:42:17,760 --> 00:42:20,840 Speaker 1: then give up a holding call. You know, granted, Eli 890 00:42:20,920 --> 00:42:23,480 Speaker 1: had to throw the ball really really quick, when I 891 00:42:23,520 --> 00:42:26,920 Speaker 1: still think he did better than what he did previous 892 00:42:27,040 --> 00:42:29,560 Speaker 1: years he did. I think that's a fair point. If 893 00:42:29,600 --> 00:42:32,520 Speaker 1: you do look at the penalty log. He was playing 894 00:42:32,560 --> 00:42:35,200 Speaker 1: clean football for the majority of the second half last season. 895 00:42:35,280 --> 00:42:37,239 Speaker 1: And you know, whether you love him or not, that's 896 00:42:37,239 --> 00:42:39,640 Speaker 1: well documented. That's a fact. We're not just making that 897 00:42:39,760 --> 00:42:41,760 Speaker 1: up to make a certain player look good. The truth 898 00:42:41,880 --> 00:42:44,040 Speaker 1: is he was well disciplined in terms of the lack 899 00:42:44,040 --> 00:42:47,640 Speaker 1: of penalties in the second half of last season. Yeah, 900 00:42:47,800 --> 00:42:49,759 Speaker 1: and and one more point, guys, and I'll think it's 901 00:42:49,760 --> 00:42:52,400 Speaker 1: off the air. I know we have a lot too. 902 00:42:53,480 --> 00:42:54,960 Speaker 1: I know we have a lot of players we could 903 00:42:54,960 --> 00:42:58,160 Speaker 1: throw the ball too. But I'm really high on Sterling Shepard. 904 00:42:58,320 --> 00:43:02,640 Speaker 1: I'm always listening to how everyone speaks so highly about him. 905 00:43:03,040 --> 00:43:07,080 Speaker 1: Sherm is, do you think we have the ability to 906 00:43:07,120 --> 00:43:11,719 Speaker 1: have two receivers four thousand yards? Well, we had, we 907 00:43:11,719 --> 00:43:14,080 Speaker 1: had this discussion. I think it'll be really close. I 908 00:43:14,080 --> 00:43:17,800 Speaker 1: think it will be really really close, because, um, you know, obviously, 909 00:43:17,840 --> 00:43:20,000 Speaker 1: if O'Dell is here and healthy and everything, he's gonna 910 00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:22,760 Speaker 1: get the motherload of of of all the receiving yards 911 00:43:22,760 --> 00:43:24,400 Speaker 1: and things like that. You also have to think about 912 00:43:24,400 --> 00:43:26,640 Speaker 1: Evan Ingram too in there, so you know there's a 913 00:43:26,680 --> 00:43:29,080 Speaker 1: lot of you gotta spread it around. But um, I 914 00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:33,640 Speaker 1: think there's a possibility. But I almost I almost envisioned 915 00:43:33,880 --> 00:43:37,080 Speaker 1: that maybe Evan Ingram will get the thousand over and 916 00:43:37,160 --> 00:43:39,480 Speaker 1: this is I think that you put him number two 917 00:43:39,480 --> 00:43:41,279 Speaker 1: on the listry, So I really do well. I mean 918 00:43:41,320 --> 00:43:43,040 Speaker 1: the other thing, you have to take it the consideration, 919 00:43:43,200 --> 00:43:45,600 Speaker 1: and we talked a lot about this, Angelo and appreciate 920 00:43:45,640 --> 00:43:47,160 Speaker 1: the phone call. Thanks so much for weighing in. If 921 00:43:47,200 --> 00:43:49,799 Speaker 1: you remember, Jeff, when Brandon Marshall was signed last year, 922 00:43:49,920 --> 00:43:52,280 Speaker 1: everybody was starting to speculate, all there's gonna be multiple 923 00:43:52,320 --> 00:43:55,200 Speaker 1: one thousand yard guys, and clearly then the injury bugs struck. 924 00:43:55,200 --> 00:43:58,040 Speaker 1: I get that, but I'm going based on what the 925 00:43:58,160 --> 00:44:02,120 Speaker 1: Vikings did. And Pat Shermer is a coach who respects 926 00:44:02,160 --> 00:44:05,239 Speaker 1: the run and feels balanced offense is important. So I'm 927 00:44:05,280 --> 00:44:07,840 Speaker 1: anticipating if you run the ball more, it's gonna be 928 00:44:07,920 --> 00:44:12,840 Speaker 1: less throws, less opportunities, and therefore I can see Beckham 929 00:44:12,880 --> 00:44:15,320 Speaker 1: getting a thousand, and then I could see somebody getting 930 00:44:16,000 --> 00:44:19,840 Speaker 1: eight fifty, eight fifty. I don't think it's crazy that 931 00:44:19,920 --> 00:44:22,319 Speaker 1: I think is fair. I'm looking at the Vikings just 932 00:44:22,360 --> 00:44:25,919 Speaker 1: as a means of comparison. Adam Feeling had nearly thirt 933 00:44:26,120 --> 00:44:29,840 Speaker 1: hundred yards Stefon Diggs their number two receiver, which be 934 00:44:29,880 --> 00:44:34,720 Speaker 1: the comparison to Sterling Shepherd had. Then look at the Rudolph, 935 00:44:35,120 --> 00:44:37,759 Speaker 1: but then you're a significant drop off five. I think 936 00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:41,440 Speaker 1: kar Rudolph is not the same player as Evan ingram Um, 937 00:44:41,480 --> 00:44:43,479 Speaker 1: so I think it'll be tough. I don't think it'll 938 00:44:43,520 --> 00:44:45,600 Speaker 1: be tough to get to one receivers in this and 939 00:44:45,680 --> 00:44:47,719 Speaker 1: that's a good question. It is a great question. It 940 00:44:47,800 --> 00:44:50,120 Speaker 1: just it turns to the distribution, and that's It's the 941 00:44:50,160 --> 00:44:53,960 Speaker 1: same thing why I feel that se Kwan Barkley Jeff 942 00:44:54,520 --> 00:44:57,200 Speaker 1: I would be surprised. Listen, if he does, it's fantastic 943 00:44:57,440 --> 00:45:01,560 Speaker 1: if he gets eighty receptions like Christian McCaffrey and Alvid Camara, 944 00:45:01,680 --> 00:45:03,759 Speaker 1: because my feeling is I think there's a lot more 945 00:45:03,800 --> 00:45:07,520 Speaker 1: targets around him than what Carolina was working with and 946 00:45:07,560 --> 00:45:10,000 Speaker 1: what the Saints were working with. So that's my logic 947 00:45:10,080 --> 00:45:11,719 Speaker 1: in terms of, yeah, I think you'll have a good 948 00:45:11,760 --> 00:45:13,800 Speaker 1: rookie year, but to expect him to do exactly what 949 00:45:14,560 --> 00:45:18,239 Speaker 1: did in terms of total receptions, I think he can 950 00:45:18,239 --> 00:45:20,480 Speaker 1: maybe get a little bit over that, you know, maybe 951 00:45:20,560 --> 00:45:24,680 Speaker 1: more towards sixty I think is reasonable for him. Eighty though, 952 00:45:24,760 --> 00:45:26,320 Speaker 1: I I think is a bit of a stretch of 953 00:45:26,360 --> 00:45:29,880 Speaker 1: my opinion. I think that's well And the reason I'm 954 00:45:29,880 --> 00:45:31,600 Speaker 1: bringing that up is only because of what all those 955 00:45:31,640 --> 00:45:33,320 Speaker 1: other rookies did last year, and a lot of people like, 956 00:45:33,440 --> 00:45:35,400 Speaker 1: wait a minute, if Camara and McCaffrey could do that, 957 00:45:35,640 --> 00:45:37,399 Speaker 1: just think about what Barkley is gonna do that. Yeah, 958 00:45:37,440 --> 00:45:41,759 Speaker 1: but Carolina exactly. Carolina had Kelvin Benjamin. They traded him 959 00:45:41,760 --> 00:45:44,919 Speaker 1: away to Buffalo the receiving corps. Greg Olsen was hurt. 960 00:45:45,280 --> 00:45:47,600 Speaker 1: I mean, McCaffrey turned in to be a huge target 961 00:45:47,640 --> 00:45:51,040 Speaker 1: for cam I just don't see that happening barring, of course, injuries. 962 00:45:51,480 --> 00:45:53,920 Speaker 1: Let's head back to the phone lines, Line three. Dave's 963 00:45:53,920 --> 00:45:57,600 Speaker 1: at Cranford. Dave, what's happening? How you guys doing doing well? Dave? 964 00:45:57,640 --> 00:46:00,120 Speaker 1: How stakes with you? We're doing great? A jet just 965 00:46:00,160 --> 00:46:02,080 Speaker 1: to let you know when you're not here. We were 966 00:46:02,160 --> 00:46:05,920 Speaker 1: trying to talk about how challenging Smelk is because he 967 00:46:05,960 --> 00:46:07,560 Speaker 1: needs to wear a hat on the on the field 968 00:46:07,560 --> 00:46:09,640 Speaker 1: to kind of make a difference between him and Landsome, 969 00:46:10,320 --> 00:46:12,719 Speaker 1: and I believe it was land that brought you up 970 00:46:12,719 --> 00:46:17,239 Speaker 1: in that conversation too. So I just want to hold no, no, no, no, no, Dave, 971 00:46:18,040 --> 00:46:22,840 Speaker 1: Dave throwing under the bus here, Okay, it will be 972 00:46:22,840 --> 00:46:26,120 Speaker 1: an exculation before Dave will allow him kindly to continue 973 00:46:26,120 --> 00:46:28,000 Speaker 1: his photo call after he throws me onto the bus. 974 00:46:28,680 --> 00:46:32,480 Speaker 1: If my history okay is correct, and we could go 975 00:46:32,520 --> 00:46:36,000 Speaker 1: back to the video tape, I was, I was crapping 976 00:46:36,040 --> 00:46:39,640 Speaker 1: specifically on sch Milk. Okay. Then Paul brought up you 977 00:46:39,719 --> 00:46:42,399 Speaker 1: as a means of comparison so that he can move 978 00:46:42,480 --> 00:46:44,920 Speaker 1: up the depth chart in terms of the hair, and 979 00:46:44,960 --> 00:46:47,640 Speaker 1: he said. I said, I made the point to Paul 980 00:46:47,760 --> 00:46:50,000 Speaker 1: because you know, we we were going over the amount 981 00:46:50,000 --> 00:46:52,040 Speaker 1: of hair. He said, well, he's certainly ahead of Schmilk, 982 00:46:52,080 --> 00:46:54,440 Speaker 1: which I didn't disagree. And then he brought up Jeff 983 00:46:54,480 --> 00:46:57,720 Speaker 1: as a means of comparison to further elevate himself amongst 984 00:46:57,760 --> 00:47:01,319 Speaker 1: BBKL host. That's how I call the history going down. 985 00:47:01,960 --> 00:47:06,080 Speaker 1: I was just focusing on He brought up some people 986 00:47:06,120 --> 00:47:08,480 Speaker 1: think that that you and smoke lands found alike, and 987 00:47:08,800 --> 00:47:10,480 Speaker 1: I don't. I don't get it, So I need to 988 00:47:10,520 --> 00:47:12,319 Speaker 1: do I. I don't get that. I don't know who 989 00:47:12,400 --> 00:47:15,279 Speaker 1: those people are. Yeah, well, I'm glad that you don't 990 00:47:15,280 --> 00:47:18,359 Speaker 1: agree with the select majority as I like to call them. 991 00:47:18,400 --> 00:47:21,680 Speaker 1: Did I totally. I wanted to bring up two things 992 00:47:21,920 --> 00:47:23,640 Speaker 1: just and some of this you guys have been talking 993 00:47:23,640 --> 00:47:27,160 Speaker 1: about already, UM. And and it's it's both the impact 994 00:47:27,239 --> 00:47:30,439 Speaker 1: of of Shermer. Um. If you go back, I think 995 00:47:30,440 --> 00:47:32,880 Speaker 1: as you guys have Lance, you definitely have and you 996 00:47:32,960 --> 00:47:35,400 Speaker 1: look at his play calling in Minnesota, well, one of 997 00:47:35,400 --> 00:47:38,200 Speaker 1: the things that you see is that he just puts 998 00:47:38,200 --> 00:47:41,360 Speaker 1: a priority besides the running game. He just puts the 999 00:47:41,400 --> 00:47:44,359 Speaker 1: priority on protection. And the reason I say that is, 1000 00:47:44,880 --> 00:47:47,000 Speaker 1: you know, I don't know that Flowers is going to 1001 00:47:47,080 --> 00:47:50,040 Speaker 1: ever fix some of his kind of fatal flags at 1002 00:47:50,080 --> 00:47:54,360 Speaker 1: certain times. But what I can say this year is that, um, 1003 00:47:54,400 --> 00:47:56,720 Speaker 1: they're not just going to leave him on an island. 1004 00:47:56,880 --> 00:48:00,600 Speaker 1: If if there are certain situations like against Houston and 1005 00:48:00,680 --> 00:48:04,120 Speaker 1: he singled up with J. J. Watt or whatever. Shermer 1006 00:48:04,360 --> 00:48:07,160 Speaker 1: is more of a schemer where he's going to do 1007 00:48:07,200 --> 00:48:09,239 Speaker 1: what he needs to do, whether it's another back in 1008 00:48:09,320 --> 00:48:11,520 Speaker 1: the in the backfield. And so I think you're going 1009 00:48:11,560 --> 00:48:13,799 Speaker 1: to see the impact of the line. I think you're 1010 00:48:13,800 --> 00:48:16,160 Speaker 1: gonna just see that from a scheme attic standpoint and 1011 00:48:16,239 --> 00:48:19,359 Speaker 1: kind of supporting that. And then I think the other 1012 00:48:19,440 --> 00:48:21,480 Speaker 1: side to it was there was a play yesterday. They 1013 00:48:21,520 --> 00:48:24,560 Speaker 1: got a lot of attention when um Landing Columns intercepted, 1014 00:48:25,080 --> 00:48:26,880 Speaker 1: you know, in the two minute drill. And if you 1015 00:48:26,960 --> 00:48:29,439 Speaker 1: look at it, you know he's running down the other 1016 00:48:29,440 --> 00:48:32,799 Speaker 1: sideline and there were two players chasing him. The one 1017 00:48:32,840 --> 00:48:35,560 Speaker 1: that got all the attention was Sequon. But if you 1018 00:48:35,680 --> 00:48:39,160 Speaker 1: look not far behind Sequan, who was Jason Eric Flowers? 1019 00:48:39,840 --> 00:48:45,040 Speaker 1: And sure he just wasn't just that, I sure, I 1020 00:48:45,040 --> 00:48:46,719 Speaker 1: said you sure he just wouldn't didn't happen to be 1021 00:48:46,760 --> 00:48:51,960 Speaker 1: in like in the no no, no, that's I'm serious. 1022 00:48:51,960 --> 00:48:53,880 Speaker 1: If you go look at it, he was running all 1023 00:48:53,920 --> 00:48:56,600 Speaker 1: the way across the field. And and my point is 1024 00:48:56,600 --> 00:48:58,919 Speaker 1: is that I think Eric is the type of guy 1025 00:48:59,000 --> 00:49:01,600 Speaker 1: that's going to be influence by the group around him. 1026 00:49:01,719 --> 00:49:04,000 Speaker 1: And when you see the impact of the rest of 1027 00:49:04,000 --> 00:49:07,799 Speaker 1: the line given great effort, um, I think he's gonna 1028 00:49:08,000 --> 00:49:10,359 Speaker 1: he's gonna see that, and and and I think you're 1029 00:49:10,400 --> 00:49:12,400 Speaker 1: going to see him, you know, I think they're going 1030 00:49:12,440 --> 00:49:14,120 Speaker 1: to get the most out of him that they can 1031 00:49:14,160 --> 00:49:16,040 Speaker 1: get out and that's all you can ask from a 1032 00:49:16,080 --> 00:49:18,279 Speaker 1: player at the end of the day. But I think 1033 00:49:18,320 --> 00:49:20,680 Speaker 1: you see that in just in terms of the overall 1034 00:49:20,719 --> 00:49:23,080 Speaker 1: scheme and and just in terms of what that impact is. 1035 00:49:23,120 --> 00:49:25,080 Speaker 1: And I think, you know, the guy takes a lot 1036 00:49:25,080 --> 00:49:28,040 Speaker 1: of flak, a lot of it was justified. But if 1037 00:49:28,040 --> 00:49:30,439 Speaker 1: he can come along this year and learn how to give, 1038 00:49:30,840 --> 00:49:34,799 Speaker 1: you know, great effort. He's still a six pound guy, 1039 00:49:34,960 --> 00:49:37,680 Speaker 1: you know, like he've got talent and and that size, 1040 00:49:37,960 --> 00:49:40,080 Speaker 1: I think the thing, yeah, yeah, and where you hit 1041 00:49:40,080 --> 00:49:41,799 Speaker 1: the nail on the head when you said effort, the 1042 00:49:41,840 --> 00:49:44,080 Speaker 1: effort has got to be there, Okay, I just don't 1043 00:49:44,120 --> 00:49:45,880 Speaker 1: know if the effort has been there in the past 1044 00:49:45,960 --> 00:49:49,120 Speaker 1: where we've been happy about it. The other thing is that, 1045 00:49:49,320 --> 00:49:52,800 Speaker 1: um two things. Number One, I think Nate Solder is 1046 00:49:52,840 --> 00:49:55,600 Speaker 1: going to help Eric Flowers, Okay, I think they already has. 1047 00:49:55,800 --> 00:49:58,080 Speaker 1: The other thing is that if if Eric Flowers wants 1048 00:49:58,080 --> 00:50:01,040 Speaker 1: to continue playing in the national football he has to 1049 00:50:01,080 --> 00:50:02,920 Speaker 1: have a good year this year and then that no, 1050 00:50:03,040 --> 00:50:05,160 Speaker 1: he's never his career is going to end. He will 1051 00:50:05,239 --> 00:50:07,319 Speaker 1: be a first round bust. It will be on him 1052 00:50:07,360 --> 00:50:09,640 Speaker 1: whether he cares or not. But so there's a lot 1053 00:50:09,640 --> 00:50:11,680 Speaker 1: of things that are in his favor that he has 1054 00:50:11,719 --> 00:50:14,040 Speaker 1: to do and do it right in order to continue 1055 00:50:14,040 --> 00:50:15,840 Speaker 1: his career. And I think that they built some guys. 1056 00:50:15,960 --> 00:50:18,120 Speaker 1: They brought Nadin here to help him, not only to 1057 00:50:18,120 --> 00:50:20,239 Speaker 1: help the line, but he's his leadership will help him 1058 00:50:20,239 --> 00:50:22,480 Speaker 1: and it already has I think, and just seeing what 1059 00:50:22,560 --> 00:50:25,160 Speaker 1: you said, if him running down the field across wouldn't 1060 00:50:25,160 --> 00:50:26,839 Speaker 1: have seen that last year or the year before there, 1061 00:50:26,840 --> 00:50:29,359 Speaker 1: he would have just said, no, it's it's practice. An 1062 00:50:29,360 --> 00:50:32,160 Speaker 1: interception in a two minute drill. Games over the drills 1063 00:50:32,160 --> 00:50:34,319 Speaker 1: should be over. What am I gonna do? I'm just 1064 00:50:34,320 --> 00:50:36,480 Speaker 1: gonna I think I think you're seeing that across the board. 1065 00:50:36,520 --> 00:50:38,360 Speaker 1: There was a there was another quick I'll leave you 1066 00:50:38,400 --> 00:50:41,040 Speaker 1: with this. There was another quick play yesterday where um 1067 00:50:41,080 --> 00:50:43,480 Speaker 1: they came out with two running backs, the quon in 1068 00:50:43,520 --> 00:50:46,160 Speaker 1: the backfield and a fullback and then next thing you know, 1069 00:50:46,239 --> 00:50:49,520 Speaker 1: they split se Quana out wide and he got singled 1070 00:50:49,640 --> 00:50:53,000 Speaker 1: up with o v um and they throw se Quon 1071 00:50:53,280 --> 00:50:56,000 Speaker 1: a you know, a slant rape that he that he 1072 00:50:56,040 --> 00:50:58,400 Speaker 1: did really well with. But the great part is you 1073 00:50:58,440 --> 00:51:00,759 Speaker 1: have the other fullback in there, you know, being able 1074 00:51:00,800 --> 00:51:03,359 Speaker 1: to block. So again it's it's just the I think 1075 00:51:03,360 --> 00:51:06,320 Speaker 1: you're going to see a huge impact just on play 1076 00:51:06,360 --> 00:51:09,319 Speaker 1: design and scheme. That's gonna have a really you know, 1077 00:51:09,440 --> 00:51:11,440 Speaker 1: positive impact on the team. So you guys have a 1078 00:51:11,480 --> 00:51:13,879 Speaker 1: great day. Thanks for taking much. I appreciate the phone call. 1079 00:51:14,120 --> 00:51:16,200 Speaker 1: The other thing I was going to add about Flowers is, 1080 00:51:16,400 --> 00:51:18,000 Speaker 1: you know you brought up a good point, Jeff about 1081 00:51:18,040 --> 00:51:21,239 Speaker 1: the motivation contract, you know, wanting to hurn another deal, 1082 00:51:21,280 --> 00:51:23,920 Speaker 1: whether it be here or elsewhere. He also has a 1083 00:51:23,920 --> 00:51:27,200 Speaker 1: brand new offensive line coach, Hal Hunter, who was not 1084 00:51:27,360 --> 00:51:30,200 Speaker 1: with him in previous years. So if I'm Eric Flowers, 1085 00:51:30,239 --> 00:51:33,120 Speaker 1: you know it goes back to this fresh slate that 1086 00:51:33,200 --> 00:51:36,160 Speaker 1: we were talking about with everybody, Eli Apple, all these guys. 1087 00:51:37,040 --> 00:51:39,279 Speaker 1: Now I'm not working with coaches who have seen me 1088 00:51:39,600 --> 00:51:43,000 Speaker 1: battle through practice. Let me make a good first impression 1089 00:51:43,040 --> 00:51:45,080 Speaker 1: on this new offensive line coach. And if you if 1090 00:51:45,120 --> 00:51:46,960 Speaker 1: you believe that I have a clean slate and on 1091 00:51:47,120 --> 00:51:48,759 Speaker 1: that guy, and so they they've told me I have 1092 00:51:48,760 --> 00:51:50,680 Speaker 1: a clean slate, and you're not gonna bring anything up 1093 00:51:50,719 --> 00:51:52,680 Speaker 1: in the past. It's gonna make me mad about you, 1094 00:51:52,760 --> 00:51:55,640 Speaker 1: and you know could and a lot of these guys, 1095 00:51:55,640 --> 00:51:57,480 Speaker 1: you know, their kids though, I mean, Eric Flower is 1096 00:51:57,480 --> 00:51:59,440 Speaker 1: still a young guy. You know, you gotta kind of 1097 00:52:00,320 --> 00:52:02,960 Speaker 1: I think that you know, how Hunter is a very 1098 00:52:03,080 --> 00:52:05,400 Speaker 1: established a lot like a lot of the coaches on 1099 00:52:05,480 --> 00:52:08,360 Speaker 1: the staff that Pat Shermer brought in, They're all good coaches. 1100 00:52:08,400 --> 00:52:10,279 Speaker 1: They have a lot of experience. So I think that 1101 00:52:10,360 --> 00:52:12,600 Speaker 1: How is one of them that can can help Eric Flowers. 1102 00:52:12,600 --> 00:52:15,640 Speaker 1: And I know how Hunter. He's uh, he is a 1103 00:52:15,680 --> 00:52:18,360 Speaker 1: military guy. In fact, one of his sons is a 1104 00:52:18,440 --> 00:52:21,439 Speaker 1: Navy seal. For God's sake, he is not. He will 1105 00:52:21,480 --> 00:52:23,919 Speaker 1: make you toe the line. So if there's a guy 1106 00:52:23,960 --> 00:52:25,919 Speaker 1: that you want as your coach to try to get 1107 00:52:25,920 --> 00:52:28,279 Speaker 1: somebody like Eric Flowers a total line, I want a 1108 00:52:28,320 --> 00:52:31,439 Speaker 1: military guy that's basically gonna be boom boom, boom boom 1109 00:52:31,480 --> 00:52:32,920 Speaker 1: is the way you're gonna do it or get out 1110 00:52:32,920 --> 00:52:35,680 Speaker 1: of here. That's what I like. Yeah, well, I mean 1111 00:52:35,719 --> 00:52:39,040 Speaker 1: that discipline that comes into that is huge, and some 1112 00:52:39,160 --> 00:52:42,160 Speaker 1: of these millennials are younger players and stuff. The discipline 1113 00:52:42,239 --> 00:52:44,520 Speaker 1: kind of just it just goes out in one ear 1114 00:52:44,520 --> 00:52:47,160 Speaker 1: and out the other. I just think you gotta have 1115 00:52:47,160 --> 00:52:49,759 Speaker 1: a guy that rules with an iron fist as you 1116 00:52:49,880 --> 00:52:54,080 Speaker 1: as they say, absolutely cliche. World twos your one one 1117 00:52:54,160 --> 00:52:57,520 Speaker 1: three hashtag giants chat. We've got to make this clear 1118 00:52:57,600 --> 00:53:00,560 Speaker 1: to our viewers on our listeners. Jeff, you don't like 1119 00:53:00,600 --> 00:53:05,160 Speaker 1: to bring up that because of running. No, when you 1120 00:53:05,239 --> 00:53:08,120 Speaker 1: bring up Charlie's name on the show, he has the 1121 00:53:08,160 --> 00:53:10,759 Speaker 1: tendency to then call into the program. I don't know 1122 00:53:10,760 --> 00:53:14,080 Speaker 1: how many times we need to make this clear. Well, yeah, 1123 00:53:14,120 --> 00:53:16,040 Speaker 1: but I think it's also his ears are burning and 1124 00:53:16,120 --> 00:53:20,799 Speaker 1: he just has this philosophy he's being talked about consistently 1125 00:53:20,840 --> 00:53:22,879 Speaker 1: on the program. And then all of a sudden we're 1126 00:53:22,920 --> 00:53:25,040 Speaker 1: left with what we are right now, which is what 1127 00:53:25,120 --> 00:53:27,239 Speaker 1: I always say the turning point of the program. Out 1128 00:53:27,280 --> 00:53:29,799 Speaker 1: of time. Well, yeah, maybe we should conveniently wrap up 1129 00:53:29,840 --> 00:53:31,839 Speaker 1: the show. Uh, let's hear what he has to say, 1130 00:53:31,880 --> 00:53:34,399 Speaker 1: because it is big news. It's a big day since 1131 00:53:34,440 --> 00:53:36,600 Speaker 1: the Giants did claim an offensive lineman. So if there's 1132 00:53:36,600 --> 00:53:39,440 Speaker 1: anybody we have to hear their take, it's Charlie and Portland, Maine. 1133 00:53:39,640 --> 00:53:41,840 Speaker 1: And and because Lance is on this show, see he 1134 00:53:41,840 --> 00:53:45,680 Speaker 1: won't introduce you like smell that will never happen. I 1135 00:53:45,719 --> 00:53:47,839 Speaker 1: can guarantee you, as long as I'm sitting in this seat, 1136 00:53:48,040 --> 00:53:52,920 Speaker 1: that will never happen. Got a bad feeling about this, Actually, 1137 00:53:53,000 --> 00:53:55,680 Speaker 1: I thought it was John. You sound so much. Look 1138 00:53:55,680 --> 00:53:59,880 Speaker 1: at this humor. He's digging deep into his bag of comedy. 1139 00:54:00,000 --> 00:54:05,640 Speaker 1: You could tell, you know, this offensive line guy that 1140 00:54:05,680 --> 00:54:07,919 Speaker 1: we just picked up, I read about him a little bit. 1141 00:54:08,239 --> 00:54:11,200 Speaker 1: The guy actually has technique and he actually can punch. 1142 00:54:11,719 --> 00:54:15,440 Speaker 1: That's what Pro Football focus great him and saying that 1143 00:54:15,560 --> 00:54:19,279 Speaker 1: he can actually punch. He's got technique. Of course, this 1144 00:54:19,320 --> 00:54:23,320 Speaker 1: guy is not competing for the right tackle position, the 1145 00:54:23,440 --> 00:54:26,520 Speaker 1: number one position. He's really competing to be the backup, 1146 00:54:26,880 --> 00:54:29,919 Speaker 1: to be in the second team. And is this guy 1147 00:54:29,960 --> 00:54:33,759 Speaker 1: better than Jones, who was a defensive tackle trying to 1148 00:54:33,800 --> 00:54:38,000 Speaker 1: be an offensive tackle? He definitely is. Is he better 1149 00:54:38,160 --> 00:54:42,879 Speaker 1: than Eric Flowers? Uh, he might be. There's a lot 1150 00:54:42,880 --> 00:54:47,000 Speaker 1: of hesitation. He probably won't get the chance, but um so, 1151 00:54:47,160 --> 00:54:49,640 Speaker 1: we'll see what happens. But we still need a veteran 1152 00:54:49,680 --> 00:54:53,600 Speaker 1: tackle to compete with Mr Flowers. And the thing is 1153 00:54:53,640 --> 00:54:55,279 Speaker 1: we you know, this is the way I look at it. 1154 00:54:55,440 --> 00:54:57,520 Speaker 1: On the left side of our line, we've got we've 1155 00:54:57,560 --> 00:55:02,120 Speaker 1: got somebody that's actually writing a uh Tour de France bike. 1156 00:55:02,560 --> 00:55:04,880 Speaker 1: On the right side, we got a guy with a tricycle. 1157 00:55:05,600 --> 00:55:07,680 Speaker 1: You know, that's what we got for the right tackle. 1158 00:55:07,760 --> 00:55:10,719 Speaker 1: He's on a tricycle and we have to babysit for 1159 00:55:10,800 --> 00:55:13,239 Speaker 1: him and make sure we have somebody there to help him, 1160 00:55:13,680 --> 00:55:16,719 Speaker 1: which is better than what what McAdoo did, because he 1161 00:55:16,760 --> 00:55:19,719 Speaker 1: never helped them at all. But I'd rather have a 1162 00:55:19,800 --> 00:55:22,719 Speaker 1: guy at least is riding a bike. He doesn't have 1163 00:55:22,840 --> 00:55:25,440 Speaker 1: to have the Tour de France bike, but he should 1164 00:55:25,440 --> 00:55:29,160 Speaker 1: be riding a two wheel bike, not a tricycle. Yeah, 1165 00:55:29,160 --> 00:55:31,320 Speaker 1: but Charlie, you keep bringing that up. If there was 1166 00:55:31,360 --> 00:55:34,759 Speaker 1: a veteran out there that they felt and will use 1167 00:55:34,840 --> 00:55:37,840 Speaker 1: your parallel that he's riding a bicycle, then don't you 1168 00:55:37,960 --> 00:55:40,640 Speaker 1: think that player would have been brought in over a 1169 00:55:40,760 --> 00:55:42,719 Speaker 1: younger guy that maybe is not as much of a 1170 00:55:42,760 --> 00:55:45,640 Speaker 1: proven commodity. They clearly there must be upside and some 1171 00:55:45,719 --> 00:55:48,160 Speaker 1: of these other younger players that they see that they'd 1172 00:55:48,280 --> 00:55:50,560 Speaker 1: rather see go out and compete with Flowers as opposed 1173 00:55:50,600 --> 00:55:53,440 Speaker 1: to a veteran. Well, the upside is right now we 1174 00:55:53,520 --> 00:55:56,120 Speaker 1: have no cat space, but we will be having some 1175 00:55:56,200 --> 00:55:59,239 Speaker 1: cat space when they sign O'Dell. We should get a 1176 00:55:59,280 --> 00:56:01,560 Speaker 1: couple of million and I and I think there's going 1177 00:56:01,600 --> 00:56:03,800 Speaker 1: to be another player on our team who's going to 1178 00:56:03,840 --> 00:56:07,120 Speaker 1: be restructuring his contract, so we might be able to 1179 00:56:07,200 --> 00:56:10,720 Speaker 1: do a trade and get Rick Wagner from the Lions. 1180 00:56:11,239 --> 00:56:14,120 Speaker 1: That's what I hope and see is going to happen 1181 00:56:14,160 --> 00:56:17,279 Speaker 1: in the next few days. We'll find out, but we 1182 00:56:17,680 --> 00:56:21,480 Speaker 1: I know, I know Gettleman knows we need depths at 1183 00:56:21,480 --> 00:56:24,879 Speaker 1: the old line, at the tackle position. He knows that 1184 00:56:25,239 --> 00:56:28,279 Speaker 1: he's not happy about it, and so I think he's 1185 00:56:28,320 --> 00:56:30,799 Speaker 1: actually going to do something about it. So that's what 1186 00:56:30,880 --> 00:56:33,440 Speaker 1: I'm hoping that that's going to happen. And the first 1187 00:56:33,440 --> 00:56:36,759 Speaker 1: topic that I wanted to talk about talking about, I'll 1188 00:56:36,760 --> 00:56:39,440 Speaker 1: make it quick. You guys were talking about wide receivers 1189 00:56:39,520 --> 00:56:43,919 Speaker 1: learning every position, you know, the ex, the Z, the why, 1190 00:56:44,200 --> 00:56:47,279 Speaker 1: the W, whatever they are. And the thing is, we 1191 00:56:47,360 --> 00:56:50,640 Speaker 1: did that with our offensive lineman. We made them play tackle, 1192 00:56:50,800 --> 00:56:52,960 Speaker 1: we made him play guard, we made him go left 1193 00:56:52,960 --> 00:56:55,040 Speaker 1: and made him go right, we made him, you know. 1194 00:56:55,440 --> 00:56:57,759 Speaker 1: And the thing is they couldn't learn anything because they 1195 00:56:57,760 --> 00:57:01,000 Speaker 1: were terrible at anything. So to me is, you might 1196 00:57:01,040 --> 00:57:04,160 Speaker 1: have a guy who's really a slot receiver and you're 1197 00:57:04,200 --> 00:57:05,960 Speaker 1: going to put him on the outside, but he's not 1198 00:57:05,960 --> 00:57:08,040 Speaker 1: going to be able to get off the line because 1199 00:57:08,040 --> 00:57:11,520 Speaker 1: he hasn't got the physicality or the moves to get 1200 00:57:11,600 --> 00:57:14,880 Speaker 1: off the line by a cornerback who's gone more physical, 1201 00:57:15,239 --> 00:57:18,760 Speaker 1: so he's really he needs that space as a slot 1202 00:57:18,840 --> 00:57:21,640 Speaker 1: guy to really be able to play at his full 1203 00:57:21,960 --> 00:57:24,480 Speaker 1: And that's how you tell. You tell that in practice 1204 00:57:24,480 --> 00:57:26,840 Speaker 1: and in the games, so that in the event that 1205 00:57:26,920 --> 00:57:29,480 Speaker 1: one of your top guys gets hurt, Charlie, that you 1206 00:57:29,520 --> 00:57:32,040 Speaker 1: probably would not put that player in his a replacement 1207 00:57:32,040 --> 00:57:34,960 Speaker 1: on the outside if you only see that during practice, 1208 00:57:34,960 --> 00:57:37,560 Speaker 1: in the preseason games, he's effective in this lot. That's 1209 00:57:37,560 --> 00:57:40,080 Speaker 1: how you make I would hope so. And I would 1210 00:57:40,080 --> 00:57:43,280 Speaker 1: hope that if they saw some guy couldn't play that position, 1211 00:57:43,600 --> 00:57:45,920 Speaker 1: that they would just let him hone his skills on 1212 00:57:45,960 --> 00:57:48,840 Speaker 1: the position that he can play very very well. I 1213 00:57:48,840 --> 00:57:51,200 Speaker 1: would rather have a guy who can play one position 1214 00:57:51,360 --> 00:57:53,880 Speaker 1: very very well than a guy who plays two or 1215 00:57:53,880 --> 00:57:59,200 Speaker 1: three positions not very well, poorly or adequately. I'd rather 1216 00:57:59,240 --> 00:58:01,520 Speaker 1: have a guy who can play it really, really well. 1217 00:58:01,840 --> 00:58:04,200 Speaker 1: And I think that's what the Giants have got caught 1218 00:58:04,280 --> 00:58:07,240 Speaker 1: up into trying to find in the Swiss army knife 1219 00:58:07,440 --> 00:58:10,320 Speaker 1: on everybody. And I just don't think you can do 1220 00:58:10,360 --> 00:58:13,000 Speaker 1: that because there's only a very few guys who can 1221 00:58:13,040 --> 00:58:17,280 Speaker 1: actually do that with you know, and do it well. Yeah, 1222 00:58:17,320 --> 00:58:20,000 Speaker 1: But Charlie. Where I'll disagree with you is and and 1223 00:58:20,040 --> 00:58:22,640 Speaker 1: I'll bring up what Tyke Tilbert said the wide receiver coach, 1224 00:58:22,640 --> 00:58:24,400 Speaker 1: because that's what we're focused on in terms of having 1225 00:58:24,480 --> 00:58:26,800 Speaker 1: guys learn all the positions. It goes back to last 1226 00:58:26,880 --> 00:58:29,120 Speaker 1: year at times, and you know, everybody was like, well, 1227 00:58:29,120 --> 00:58:32,040 Speaker 1: why are there three wide receivers on the field so often? Well, Charlie, 1228 00:58:32,120 --> 00:58:36,160 Speaker 1: if your best receivers are at the wide receiver position, 1229 00:58:36,360 --> 00:58:39,440 Speaker 1: and those are your three best offensive weapons, why wouldn't 1230 00:58:39,440 --> 00:58:42,080 Speaker 1: you put those three on the field regardless of whether 1231 00:58:42,200 --> 00:58:44,240 Speaker 1: or not you think one guy's effective on the outside 1232 00:58:44,240 --> 00:58:46,920 Speaker 1: of the inside, as opposed to just forcing a lesser 1233 00:58:47,000 --> 00:58:50,440 Speaker 1: player out there just he can play another position. Exactly, 1234 00:58:50,480 --> 00:58:53,760 Speaker 1: I'd rather put my best talent out there, even if 1235 00:58:54,000 --> 00:58:56,200 Speaker 1: he's more effective in the slot, but I have to 1236 00:58:56,240 --> 00:58:58,960 Speaker 1: move him to the outside. I will take my chances 1237 00:58:59,000 --> 00:59:02,720 Speaker 1: with better talent on the field. Yeah, but if if 1238 00:59:02,720 --> 00:59:07,680 Speaker 1: it's better talent doesn't work on a different position like 1239 00:59:07,760 --> 00:59:10,640 Speaker 1: on the outside, but his talent really works, like Edelman. 1240 00:59:11,040 --> 00:59:13,880 Speaker 1: Edelman is great in the slot, he wouldn't be that 1241 00:59:14,040 --> 00:59:17,880 Speaker 1: great on the outside. That's where he goes above the 1242 00:59:17,920 --> 00:59:22,080 Speaker 1: exodus and olls. So to me, it is like I 1243 00:59:22,120 --> 00:59:24,560 Speaker 1: would want I'd rather have a guy who can really 1244 00:59:24,600 --> 00:59:27,520 Speaker 1: play the slot and he's really good, and he might 1245 00:59:27,560 --> 00:59:29,760 Speaker 1: not be as talented as some other guy who can 1246 00:59:29,760 --> 00:59:32,560 Speaker 1: play both positions, but he's not going to be as 1247 00:59:32,600 --> 00:59:35,400 Speaker 1: good as a guy who's really focused and has got 1248 00:59:35,440 --> 00:59:38,640 Speaker 1: the talent to play one position. It's like you, Jeff, 1249 00:59:38,800 --> 00:59:42,240 Speaker 1: It's like you having you go practice kicking and and 1250 00:59:42,520 --> 00:59:45,480 Speaker 1: you know, like being a kicker and also punt. You know, 1251 00:59:45,520 --> 00:59:47,560 Speaker 1: it's just like, well I had to because we packed 1252 00:59:47,560 --> 00:59:49,320 Speaker 1: each other up, so I did have to learn how 1253 00:59:49,360 --> 00:59:51,560 Speaker 1: to kick in to punt, but we had to do both. 1254 00:59:51,680 --> 00:59:53,840 Speaker 1: You know what, Charlie, by the way of all people, 1255 00:59:53,880 --> 00:59:56,960 Speaker 1: I can't believe you're against preparing other plays. He called 1256 00:59:57,040 --> 00:59:59,200 Speaker 1: up a few weeks ago. He goes, who's the third 1257 00:59:59,320 --> 01:00:02,040 Speaker 1: long snap? But on the team, I'm worried, remember, he goes. 1258 01:00:02,080 --> 01:00:05,240 Speaker 1: He goes, I'm worried if hurt. And now and now 1259 01:00:05,280 --> 01:00:07,080 Speaker 1: he's claiming that you, as a punter, should not be 1260 01:00:07,080 --> 01:00:10,160 Speaker 1: prepared to kick God forbidness. We don't have much time 1261 01:00:10,240 --> 01:00:12,040 Speaker 1: left in the show, but I want I would like 1262 01:00:12,120 --> 01:00:13,600 Speaker 1: to address what you just said. And I think that 1263 01:00:13,640 --> 01:00:15,720 Speaker 1: it all has to come down to this. I don't 1264 01:00:15,760 --> 01:00:17,640 Speaker 1: think we're getting We're getting too caught up on that 1265 01:00:17,720 --> 01:00:19,840 Speaker 1: these guys are playing these different positions and that's just 1266 01:00:19,880 --> 01:00:22,440 Speaker 1: the way this is all about scheme and and just 1267 01:00:22,840 --> 01:00:24,720 Speaker 1: they're not gonna be lining up at the X when 1268 01:00:24,720 --> 01:00:27,080 Speaker 1: they're a Z all the time. It's just they need 1269 01:00:27,120 --> 01:00:29,880 Speaker 1: to understand that. Okay, maybe sometimes they're gonna put Shephard 1270 01:00:29,920 --> 01:00:32,120 Speaker 1: outside and they're gonna put O'Dell in the slot. They 1271 01:00:32,200 --> 01:00:34,160 Speaker 1: gotta understand, you know what I'm saying, So that they 1272 01:00:34,200 --> 01:00:36,920 Speaker 1: have to learn all the positions because the plays that 1273 01:00:36,960 --> 01:00:39,880 Speaker 1: they're gonna call might require the X to become the 1274 01:00:40,000 --> 01:00:43,440 Speaker 1: Z at certain times of the game. So that that's 1275 01:00:43,440 --> 01:00:45,400 Speaker 1: what I think. Don't get so caught up in these 1276 01:00:45,440 --> 01:00:47,840 Speaker 1: guys are learning all these other different positions. It's not 1277 01:00:47,920 --> 01:00:50,080 Speaker 1: so much that it's just that they have to understand 1278 01:00:50,400 --> 01:00:54,360 Speaker 1: the plays coming from playing an X or Y or Z. Okay, 1279 01:00:54,440 --> 01:00:56,960 Speaker 1: I understand I think that, But I think that's all 1280 01:00:57,000 --> 01:01:02,920 Speaker 1: it is helpful and that that I agree on. Alright, Charlie, 1281 01:01:03,120 --> 01:01:05,840 Speaker 1: always a pleasure talking with you. Thanks so much. I'm 1282 01:01:05,840 --> 01:01:07,800 Speaker 1: glad that we squeeze you in so that we got 1283 01:01:07,840 --> 01:01:11,760 Speaker 1: pro football focuses analysis. Son Victor Silako. That was definitely 1284 01:01:11,760 --> 01:01:14,439 Speaker 1: the highlight of the program. Thank god, this guy can punch. 1285 01:01:14,480 --> 01:01:16,360 Speaker 1: And then he was on the street when all thirty 1286 01:01:16,360 --> 01:01:18,440 Speaker 1: two teams are in training camp, when they have ninety 1287 01:01:18,440 --> 01:01:21,800 Speaker 1: man rosters, that tells me a lot that this guy 1288 01:01:21,840 --> 01:01:24,800 Speaker 1: is gonna be really, really good. So we'll see. I 1289 01:01:24,840 --> 01:01:26,640 Speaker 1: want to get to one or two tweets before we 1290 01:01:26,680 --> 01:01:30,320 Speaker 1: wrap up here real quickly, Sam at Roy Silva one 1291 01:01:30,320 --> 01:01:32,560 Speaker 1: oh two. Aside from Evan Ingram, how are the tight 1292 01:01:32,680 --> 01:01:34,919 Speaker 1: ends doing in camp? How is Sherman and Shula using 1293 01:01:34,960 --> 01:01:37,600 Speaker 1: the tight ends in the different packages? I'll tell you today. 1294 01:01:37,600 --> 01:01:40,120 Speaker 1: I thought red Ellison looked really nicely. They were utilizing 1295 01:01:40,200 --> 01:01:42,720 Speaker 1: him as a receiver. Uh, he did work more with 1296 01:01:42,840 --> 01:01:44,720 Speaker 1: David's Webb than he did with Eli Manning. But Webb 1297 01:01:44,800 --> 01:01:47,400 Speaker 1: hit him a few times down the right sideline, which 1298 01:01:47,440 --> 01:01:49,160 Speaker 1: was nice to see. And you know, he's a bit 1299 01:01:49,200 --> 01:01:51,320 Speaker 1: of a wild card because we're wondering is he gonna 1300 01:01:51,320 --> 01:01:53,000 Speaker 1: be a fullback? Is he gonna be a receiver. He's 1301 01:01:53,000 --> 01:01:55,480 Speaker 1: gonna be on the line, and that's how they shouldn't go. 1302 01:01:55,520 --> 01:01:58,400 Speaker 1: I've heard. I heard specifically Eli was asked this question. 1303 01:01:58,480 --> 01:02:00,640 Speaker 1: I don't remember who it was who asking it, But 1304 01:02:01,040 --> 01:02:03,760 Speaker 1: that's the response. What the question was, how do you 1305 01:02:03,800 --> 01:02:07,280 Speaker 1: see Pat Shermer's offense and how challenging and what's gonna 1306 01:02:07,280 --> 01:02:09,240 Speaker 1: be good about it? He said, well, it's it's it's 1307 01:02:09,240 --> 01:02:11,440 Speaker 1: not so much challenging for me. It's gonna be more 1308 01:02:11,520 --> 01:02:13,800 Speaker 1: challenging for the defense because we're gonna have a lot 1309 01:02:13,880 --> 01:02:17,320 Speaker 1: of different formations. And he mentioned we could have two 1310 01:02:17,320 --> 01:02:20,760 Speaker 1: and three tight end formations. So there's your answer to 1311 01:02:20,880 --> 01:02:23,160 Speaker 1: the tight end question. Red Ellison is going to be 1312 01:02:23,160 --> 01:02:25,880 Speaker 1: a part of this offense, whether it's blocking or running receivers. 1313 01:02:25,960 --> 01:02:28,360 Speaker 1: They're They're not just gonna be an eleven person, Noel. 1314 01:02:28,400 --> 01:02:30,240 Speaker 1: They might be in whatever, a three tight end person 1315 01:02:30,360 --> 01:02:32,520 Speaker 1: or thirty something or whatever. I don't know, but but 1316 01:02:32,560 --> 01:02:35,160 Speaker 1: there's gonna be there might be three tight ends different looks. Yeah, 1317 01:02:35,200 --> 01:02:37,520 Speaker 1: they have certainly showcased that, and I think we'll maybe 1318 01:02:37,560 --> 01:02:40,200 Speaker 1: get a little bit better feel in the preseason. One 1319 01:02:40,240 --> 01:02:42,400 Speaker 1: other question he had, at least that's so bad six 1320 01:02:42,760 --> 01:02:45,200 Speaker 1: anything on Shepherd. I heard something with his leg, hoping 1321 01:02:45,240 --> 01:02:46,760 Speaker 1: it was a cramp. He was back out there on 1322 01:02:46,840 --> 01:02:50,440 Speaker 1: practice and there was no concern long term whatsoever in 1323 01:02:50,560 --> 01:02:53,320 Speaker 1: terms of sterling Shepherd Pat Shermer even emphasized that yesterday 1324 01:02:53,320 --> 01:02:55,640 Speaker 1: and he was out there running routes catching passes today, 1325 01:02:55,680 --> 01:02:58,760 Speaker 1: So no concern about the injury bug, which Sterling Shepherd, 1326 01:02:58,880 --> 01:03:01,120 Speaker 1: I think that wraps up just about everything for us 1327 01:03:01,120 --> 01:03:03,360 Speaker 1: here today on Big Blue. Kick Off Live will be 1328 01:03:03,400 --> 01:03:05,640 Speaker 1: up and running again tomorrow at one pm Eastern is 1329 01:03:05,640 --> 01:03:08,480 Speaker 1: the Giant's gonna have another morning practice and then they 1330 01:03:08,520 --> 01:03:15,200 Speaker 1: will have a media session tomorrow for this show. That's right, 1331 01:03:15,200 --> 01:03:19,000 Speaker 1: a Monty Tumor will be joining us. It's a little tease, yes, 1332 01:03:19,160 --> 01:03:21,720 Speaker 1: a little tease for tomorrow show. There you go, new 1333 01:03:21,760 --> 01:03:24,880 Speaker 1: face filling in for Jeff Eagles, so stay tuned for that. 1334 01:03:25,360 --> 01:03:27,920 Speaker 1: Everything else stay locked to Giants dot Com. Enjoy the 1335 01:03:27,920 --> 01:03:30,040 Speaker 1: rest of your Thursday. For Jeff Eagles. I'm Lance Meadow. 1336 01:03:30,040 --> 01:03:31,880 Speaker 1: We'll talk to you tomorrow on Giants dot Com. I'm 1337 01:03:31,880 --> 01:03:32,120 Speaker 1: a going