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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Greasee.

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Speaker 2: Does it never end with this woman? Twenty five year

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Speaker 2: old Jamie Lee Komarowski, drunk driver who plows into a

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Speaker 3: The bride ends up.

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Speaker 2: Dead in her wedding dress. And what do we hear

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Speaker 2: from the defendant behind bars? Me me me me me

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Speaker 2: me me me me me me me.

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Speaker 3: Me me me. That's it.

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Speaker 2: Nothing about the dead woman, about the groom who has

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Speaker 2: life altering injuries. She is complaining about everything from the

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Speaker 2: food which was last day looked meat balls, hot dogs.

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Speaker 3: And fresh bread. That sounds good to me.

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Speaker 2: I wish I would come in from working somebody would

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Speaker 2: have meatballs, hot dogs and fresh bread for me. But

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Speaker 2: that's not good enough for Jamie Lee Kamarowski. She's complaining

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Speaker 2: that she can't hold.

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Speaker 3: The TV remote.

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Speaker 2: Really, let me rephrase this woman who plows into a

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Speaker 2: bride and groom, literally leaving the wedding reception drunk as

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Speaker 2: a skunk, three sheets to the wind in the bottle.

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Speaker 3: As we say, the golf car the bride and groom

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Speaker 3: are driving.

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Speaker 2: Gets thrown I think it was one hundred feet thanks

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Speaker 2: to this woman. And now she's complaining she's not allowed

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Speaker 2: to hold the TV remote. She's even complaining the sheriff

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Speaker 2: didn't give her a mat to sit on to do

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Speaker 2: her crunches. Reality Check Woman, I Nancy Grace, this is

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Speaker 2: Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us here at

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Speaker 2: Fox Nation at Serrius xem one eleven. First of all,

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Speaker 2: take a listen to our friends at ABC.

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Speaker 4: SAMs just got that Cloe.

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Speaker 5: The grief is still wrong for Eric Hutchinson, she's a tiler.

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Speaker 4: Walks in the room and he noticed.

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Speaker 5: Now speaking exclusively to ABC News in his first interview

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Speaker 5: since losing his wife Sam, the unimaginable tragedy on their

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Speaker 5: wedding night three weeks ago, an allegedly drunk driver crashing

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Speaker 5: into them as they left their reception.

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Speaker 6: I'm still trying to wrap my head around it. That night,

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Speaker 6: going from an all time high to an all time low.

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Speaker 6: It's pretty rough to comprehend.

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Speaker 4: Everyone was just so happy, she was so happy.

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Speaker 7: One of the best sights of your life.

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Speaker 2: You are hearing the groom speaking out. That's Eric Hutchinson

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Speaker 2: describing the best night of his life turning into the

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Speaker 2: worst night he could ever even imagine.

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Speaker 3: Here's more.

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Speaker 5: The newlyweds set off by their guests through a wave

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Speaker 5: of sparklers, jumping in a golf cart with family, but

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Speaker 7: Do you remember the crash happening at all?

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Speaker 4: I don't. I wish I did. The I do remember.

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Speaker 6: The last thing I remember her saying was she wanted

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Speaker 6: the night to never end.

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Speaker 7: If that was the last thing she said to you.

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Speaker 5: Just down the road from their reception, their golf cart

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Speaker 5: hit by a car. Sam died at the sea.

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Speaker 4: I remember waking up just kind of.

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Speaker 6: Foggy, out of swords, and I could see my mom's

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Speaker 6: I asked her where Sam or Sam? And then that's

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Speaker 7: Is there anything inside of the driver?

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Speaker 8: No?

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Speaker 6: I can't right now. She's stole something.

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Speaker 2: She just.

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Speaker 4: She's stole an amazing human being that should not have

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Speaker 2: You're hearing the groom speaking to our friend Ava Pilgrim.

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Speaker 2: Eric Hutchinson has life altering injuries his knee, bride dead

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Speaker 3: Me an all star panel.

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Speaker 2: First, I want to go to Audrey Conklin, investigative reporter

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Speaker 2: for Fox News Digital Audrey, thank you for being with us.

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Speaker 2: What exactly are the groom Eric Hutchinson's injuries?

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Speaker 9: He was, like you said, had life altering injuries and

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Speaker 9: now he's in a wheelchair. He was seen after the

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Speaker 2: I know he's got two broken legs, multiple other broken bones.

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Speaker 2: His face I believe had broken bones in it, and

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Speaker 2: brain injury. Let me go straight out to doctor Tim Gallagher,

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Speaker 2: renowned medical examiner joining us out of Florida at pathcaremed

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Speaker 2: dot com, lecturer at University Florida Medical School, Forensic Medicine,

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Speaker 2: the founder and host of the International Forensic Medicine Death

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Speaker 2: Investigation Conference. Doctor Gallagher, thank you for being with us.

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Speaker 2: What do you understand the injuries to the groom are and.

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Speaker 3: What exactly do we think happened to the bride?

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Speaker 10: Well, thanks for having me on the show, Nancy. It's

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Speaker 10: always a pleasure. We know that he does have the

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Speaker 10: broken long bones in his body. He's got broken bones

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Speaker 10: in his upper and lower legs and broken bones in

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Speaker 2: Well, first of all, could you slow down just a moment.

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Speaker 2: I'm just a JD. You're the MD, and I have

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Speaker 2: to kind of absorb everything you're saying. Okay, do you

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Speaker 2: mind starting over?

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Speaker 3: Doctor?

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Speaker 10: Absolutely. We understand that he does have broken bones in

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Speaker 10: his legs and in his arms. So one of the

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Speaker 10: bones that are broken in his legs is the bone

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Speaker 10: in your thigh, which is your femur, and your femur

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Speaker 10: and both of his were fractured in multiple places, so

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Speaker 10: seems to have suffered a traumatic brain injury, you know,

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Speaker 10: which sometimes we call that a concussion or a some

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Speaker 10: bleeding in the brain, but you could actually hear it

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Speaker 10: You know, he loses his train of thought very easily.

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Speaker 10: And you know this is also associated with a life

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Speaker 10: long suffering from migrain headaches. So even though he has

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Speaker 10: survived the injury, he will never go back to his

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Speaker 10: athletic self. He will never go back to what he

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Speaker 10: because of his injuries, and he may never recover mentally

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Speaker 2: Guys, you are hearing doctor Tim Gallagher, medical examiner out

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Speaker 2: of Florida, explaining what we believe happened to the groom,

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Speaker 2: what happened to the bride. It's very difficult for me

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Speaker 2: I know that the defendant sitting behind bars is whining

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Speaker 3: But that said, what ended her life? Do we know? Doctor?

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Speaker 10: In these type of injuries, which we call acceleration slash

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Speaker 10: deceleration type injuries, the common injuries are this. One of

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Speaker 10: her neck because of the whiplash. When you do that,

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Speaker 10: that is in the in the backbone, and multiple breaks

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Speaker 10: in the spinal cord. Meaning to say, if she did

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Speaker 10: survive this injury, she would be dependent on medical care,

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Speaker 10: you know, being in an ICU. She would never walk again,

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Speaker 10: in these accidents, they're also associated with skull fractures, injuries

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Speaker 1: Time Stories with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 2: Joining me is the director and founder of the Cold

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Speaker 2: Case Research Institute and star of a hit podcast, Zone Seven.

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Speaker 2: Cheryl McCollum is joining us. Kerl how many times just

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Speaker 2: forget about the times that you and I have worked

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Speaker 2: crime scenes together, but through in all the times you

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Speaker 2: but been around defendants.

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Speaker 3: And all they think about is themselves.

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Speaker 2: Forget about the victim and the victim's family, that means

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Speaker 2: nothing to them. They care about one thing, and one

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Speaker 2: thing only. What is going to happen to me? That's

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Speaker 2: all they think about.

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Speaker 11: And I immediately always think about you. When you were

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Speaker 11: my prosecutor, one of the things you would do so

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Speaker 11: brilliantly is use those words against them. Let that jury

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Speaker 11: know this is what they said. So when she makes

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Speaker 11: I just can't believe this happened to me. Why me,

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Speaker 11: Your life's not over. The bride's life is over. Something

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Speaker 11: tragic happened to her, Something unbelievable happened to her, And

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Speaker 11: you would remind them of that. She died in her

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Speaker 11: wedding dress because choices you made, starting at about the

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Speaker 11: time she was taking her vowels. While she's getting ready,

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Speaker 11: while she's rolling her hair, you're getting ready to go

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Speaker 11: while she's loving and accepting hugs and well wishes from

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Speaker 11: best friends, you're getting in a car barreling right toward her.

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Speaker 11: That's what you would telligence.

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Speaker 2: You know, I want to remind everyone I introduced Cheryl

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Speaker 2: as a founder director of the Cold Case Research Institute,

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Speaker 2: but also the former president of a Georgia Mother's against

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Speaker 2: Drunk and Driving Mad And just hearing the name Jamie

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Speaker 2: Lee Komarowski makes me mad. You know what, Jackie, Let's

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Speaker 2: skip forward. I really don't know where to start with

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Speaker 2: what this woman is saying and whining about behind bars.

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Speaker 2: Let's just start with cut twenty five, our friends from

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Speaker 2: crimeonline dot com, and I want you to know where

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Speaker 2: this came from. These calls were obtained from the Post

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Speaker 2: and Courier, a local newspaper, and I'm so glad that

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Speaker 2: mind of the woman that mowed a bride down dead

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Speaker 2: on her wedding night, on her way to her honeymoon cottage.

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Speaker 2: Mowed her down dead, and she is whining behind bars

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Speaker 2: about the TV remote and the yoga mat and the

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Speaker 2: hot dogs and the meatballs. Really, that's the tip of

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Speaker 2: the iceberg. Take a listen to our friends at crime Online.

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Speaker 12: The jail house recordings were obtained by The Posting Courier

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Speaker 12: through a Freedom of Information Request. Quotes include Jamie Kamarowski

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Speaker 12: sobbing quote, I can't believe this is my life and

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Speaker 12: my whole life is going to be over. Oh my god,

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Speaker 12: I just can't believe this happened to me. Why me?

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Speaker 12: I'm going to be here for years and years and

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Speaker 12: years and years unquote. To this, Kamarowski's father replied that

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Speaker 12: get tough in her new environment. Jamie Kamarowski replied, I can't.

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Speaker 12: I want it to be over.

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Speaker 3: Correct me if I'm wrong.

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Speaker 2: Auji Conklin, investigative reporter, Fox News Digital.

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Speaker 3: But she's still in the county jail, right.

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Speaker 13: She is still in the county jail.

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Speaker 2: Yup, And this occurred where Aujie Conklin where exactly.

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Speaker 9: And Charleston County. So this is along the coast of

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Speaker 9: South Carolina.

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Speaker 2: Foley Beach, South Carolina. Has anybody on this panel ever

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Speaker 2: seen Andy of Mayberry?

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Speaker 3: Are you serious? Nobody on this panel seeing Andy Mayberry?

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Speaker 2: Well, I guess so it's like that Locke Hut. I like, yes,

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Speaker 3: It's like that.

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Speaker 2: And I don't mean in a comical way at all.

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Speaker 2: me me, Doctor Sherry Schwartz joining me, and boy, do

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Speaker 2: we need a shrink? Doctor Sherry Schwartz friends psychologists specializing

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Speaker 2: and capital mitigation and victim advocacy at panthermitigation dot com.

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Speaker 2: Author of Criminal Behavior and author of Where Law and

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Speaker 3: She literally wrote the book, doctor Sherry Schwartz, thank you

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Speaker 3: for being with us. What is wrong with this woman?

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Speaker 14: Well, she's got a number of issues. The thing that

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Speaker 3: Oh yes.

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Speaker 14: This sense of entitlement is a maladaptive feature. It can

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Speaker 14: self that's often seen in narcissism. Basically, it makes these

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Speaker 14: really have true remorse for what she's done, because if

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Speaker 3: Soak in everything that you just said.

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Speaker 2: I agree with what you're saying about the sense of entitlement,

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Speaker 2: but I think it's so much more, you know. Another

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Speaker 2: on these calls to Jarrett Farentino, homicide prosecutor. You can

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Speaker 2: thanks for being with us. Those calls are not privileged.

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Speaker 2: It's not like you're going into a dark closet and

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Speaker 2: It's not like you're meeting with your lawyer and everything

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Speaker 3: That's what I'm talking about. That's not privileged.

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Speaker 15: It's not privileged, Nancy, that those calls. I keep thinking

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Speaker 15: Every jail in America has a sign. When you sit

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Speaker 15: down to visit with someone, your calls and visits are

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Speaker 15: the court of public opinion. You are given you know,

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Speaker 15: complaining about the food. And it's just a powerful tool

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Speaker 15: If you can find a defendant it thinks themselves in

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Speaker 2: Well, Jared Farantino, you read my mind, Jackie, please play

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Speaker 2: cut forty.

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Speaker 16: In this entire time, I haven't sat in my room

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Speaker 16: stuff that was being said about Mom, and being said

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Speaker 3: Right now. I'm so.

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Speaker 16: Hurt by everything. I don't even know what to say.

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Speaker 16: And I hate to say that you're.

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Speaker 7: The one that can control everything.

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Speaker 15: You're the one I did.

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Speaker 8: Dad.

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Speaker 3: Please reading, I'm I'm not.

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Speaker 7: I'm trying to, but I am upset.

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Speaker 2: Now what not only is she trashing me as if

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Speaker 2: I care, that's Top Mom, Casey Anthony, that Jarrett Farantina

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Speaker 2: just brought up why behind bars about something I said

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Speaker 3: I said that her mother was probably going to lie.

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Speaker 2: To protect her, which she did augustand Sydney Anthony risking perjury,

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Speaker 2: the end you hear George Anthony, God bless that man

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Speaker 2: say you're the one that can control everything. In other words,

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Speaker 2: you can tell us where Caylee's body is, you can

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Speaker 2: tell us what happened, and that sets top mom, Casey

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Speaker 3: But that's not all. Listen of cut forty one.

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Speaker 16: I'm gonna completely upset one. The media is gonna have

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Speaker 16: I wasn't even supposed to take this. Let me say

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Speaker 16: your for a second, dad, I don't let everybody talk. Okay,

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Speaker 16: they're not releasing it, while I hope not. I'll keep

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Speaker 16: saying whatever I have to about the police, sitter's.

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Speaker 3: They don't let it go.

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Speaker 17: Let me come on, Casey, hold on, sweetheart, settle down.

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Speaker 16: Nobody's letting me speak. You want me to talk, then

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Speaker 16: all right, get listen seconds to see something.

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Speaker 4: I want Kelly.

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Speaker 16: Things like that, And that's not even getting put on.

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Speaker 3: The air, which it should be.

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Speaker 16: It's everything else, everything that I'm not saying.

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Speaker 2: You know why she's so angry because her parents are

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Speaker 3: But do you hear what she's focused on?

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Speaker 2: Not her missing daughter who she killed, but on what

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Speaker 3: You just to understand we're.

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Speaker 18: All going in so many different directions.

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Speaker 3: We just want to go in the right one.

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Speaker 16: Well, I can't point you in that direction when I'm

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Speaker 16: literally at a standstill. Okay, I am just as removed

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Speaker 17: Right now.

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Speaker 16: It's really sad. That's really really sad that I literally

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Speaker 16: Nothing.

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Speaker 2: And of course Todt mom Casey Anthony walked free on

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Speaker 2: another matter, I believe it was drugs. But I want

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Speaker 2: you to hear our cut forty four, her whining about

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Speaker 19: I'm all one.

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Speaker 8: Out of here. Have you heard that my bond was

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Speaker 16: Tween ten thousand?

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Speaker 2: Okay, First of all, Robert Crispin joining me, private investigator,

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Speaker 3: Justice, DEEA Miami Field Division.

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Speaker 2: Never like a business there, former homicide investigator now at

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Speaker 2: Crispininvestigations dot com? Did she actually say what is ten

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Speaker 13: Right?

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Speaker 19: Right? Right? They're more worried about what her bond is

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Speaker 19: Is which is they're more worried about what her bond

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Speaker 19: there and where's his child. They only care about themselves, Nancy,

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Speaker 19: That's all they care about.

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Speaker 2: Of course, I can tell you right now Haley Cummings

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Speaker 3: And this woman never told the truth.

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Speaker 2: Hey, guys, you heard I taught my Casey Anthony whining

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Speaker 3: Well, listen to Misty Crossland and Cup forty five.

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Speaker 12: We are not defending And I think Nancy Gray needs

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Speaker 10: All kind of crazy crowd all about you and Haley and.

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Speaker 2: It is oh yeah, right, okay, So again all worried

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Speaker 2: covering right now of Jamie Lee Komarowski. You know what,

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Speaker 2: Let's take a listen to our cut twenty nine Jackie.

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Speaker 2: This is what we learned about Jamie Lee Komarowski behind bars.

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Speaker 18: Kamarowski talks about the crash with her friends in a

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Speaker 3: A freak accident.

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grease, Cheryl McCollum.

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Speaker 2: There is no accident about getting drunk in a bar

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Speaker 2: put it in reverse, put it in drive, go out

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Speaker 3: That's not an accident.

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Speaker 11: twice the speed limit. She did that and when she

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Speaker 11: hit them, Nancy, I want people to understand to knock

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Speaker 11: someone off a golf cart a hundred feet that is

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Speaker 11: a powerful impact. That again, she was killed instantly. But

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Speaker 2: He know you're a Fiorentino better than homicide prosecutor Jared.

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Speaker 2: I firmly believe that duy vehiculo homicide should actually be

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Speaker 2: maybe akin to a felony murder charge. I find that

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Speaker 2: vehicular homicide DUIs are treated.

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Speaker 3: Much more leniently. And I don't agree this is not

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Speaker 15: I agree one hundred percent, Nancy. They're treated like accidents,

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Speaker 15: almost like as tragic or accidental on the part of

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Speaker 15: the defendant. When you look back, as Cheryl said, you

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Speaker 15: look at all of the intentional actions that were committed

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Speaker 15: by Jamie Lee Kamarowski. She went out, she drank too much.

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Speaker 15: Every drink she took was another intentional act, putting her

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Speaker 15: in that drunk state. And then she makes the choice

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Speaker 15: to get behind the wheel. Then she speeds. Her speed

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Speaker 15: was sixty five miles an hour in a twenty five

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Speaker 15: mile an hour zone. Also, these are choices and voluntary acts.

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Speaker 15: She is acting intentionally and should be held accountable for

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Speaker 15: those acts. It's no different than taking a weapon and

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Speaker 15: aiming it at someone and shooting. It's that simple. It's murder.

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Speaker 15: It should be felamy well.

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Speaker 2: Another issue to Cheryl McCollum is under our law across

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Speaker 2: our country, voluntary use of drugs or alcohol is not

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Speaker 2: a defense. Otherwise everybody in the local jail and the

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Speaker 2: federal penitentiary would go, oh, I was drunk when I

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Speaker 2: did that, and then walk straight out the front door.

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Speaker 3: That is not a defense.

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Speaker 2: So why should it in any way mitigate the death

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Speaker 2: of Samantha the Bride.

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Speaker 11: I don't understand that it should not and it will not.

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Speaker 11: Hear and I'll tell you something else. All you gotta

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Speaker 11: do is listen to her dad. Her dad tells her

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Speaker 11: to suck it up and get tough. He has known

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Speaker 11: her behavior. There's not one person that ends up in

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Speaker 11: this situation and claims they need to go to rehab.

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Speaker 11: They didn't know they had an alcohol abuse problem before,

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Speaker 11: didn't know they didn't have the substance abuse problem before.

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Speaker 11: There is nobody in rehab right now that is shocked.

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Speaker 11: They knew, they knew they had a problem. Their family knew,

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Speaker 11: their friends knew, their co workers knew. This isn't gonna

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Speaker 11: surprise anybody. It's tragic and they hate that it happened,

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Speaker 11: but she freaking did it.

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Speaker 2: I want Percy Pittser joining us to take a listen

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Speaker 2: to what we're about to play. Percy Pittser, former federal warden,

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Speaker 2: thirty years in corrections, founder of Creative Corrections Education Foundation, Percy,

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Speaker 2: take a listen to this our friends at crime Online.

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Speaker 17: Kamarowski tells friends it's likely that she won't serve any

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Speaker 17: prison time because it had all been an accident. Kamarowski

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Speaker 17: says other inmates told her she would get out on

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Speaker 17: bond and have to do a bunch of stuff while

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Speaker 17: awaiting trial. That would be stuff that quote that like

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Speaker 17: makes you look good and they'll like let you off easy.

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Speaker 17: Kamarowski tells friends, quote there's been people that have killed

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Speaker 17: people on purpose before, and like they've gotten out on

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Speaker 17: a bond.

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Speaker 18: Via a video chat screen obtained by the Charleston Post

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Speaker 18: and Courier, Palmarowski sobbed and covered her face, saying she

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Speaker 18: didn't want people to think she was a terrible person.

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Speaker 18: Palmorowski predicted she would be set free on bail within

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Speaker 18: two months, and in the meantime, she said she was

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Speaker 18: thinking of learning a new language and was passing the

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Speaker 18: time listening to history and science podcasts. Quote, I'm going

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Speaker 18: to be a genius when I get out.

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Speaker 2: I just had to pause and let that sink in.

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Speaker 2: Percy pittser there's just so much happening in this woman's head,

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Speaker 2: none of it good.

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Speaker 3: Telling friends she won't.

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Speaker 2: Have to serve prison time because it had all been

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Speaker 2: an accident, that the other inmates are telling her she's

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Speaker 2: going to get out on bond and quote, do a

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Speaker 2: bunch of stuff to make you look good so you

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Speaker 2: can get let off easy, and then going on to

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Speaker 2: talk about all the podcasts she's going to listen to

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Speaker 2: behind bars.

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Speaker 3: What is wrong with this woman, Percy? And have you ever.

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Speaker 2: Seen defendants actually admit, Hey, I did a horrible thing.

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Speaker 2: How can I make up for it?

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Speaker 3: I feel awful about what I did. That's not what

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Speaker 3: we're hearing from this woman, Percy.

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Speaker 20: I suspect that she's never in her life been held

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Speaker 20: accountable for anything that she's done, for any decisions that

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Speaker 20: she's made. She don't understand or not willing to understand

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Speaker 20: that ever acts and has a consequence and her consequences

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Speaker 20: is probably going to be in prison for quite a while.

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Speaker 20: And you know, even her dad recognizes her flaws when

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Speaker 20: he says, I could up and get tough. It's just

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Speaker 20: and she's not going to do easy time because I

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Speaker 20: don't think the inmates will allow her to with her attitude.

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Speaker 20: You know you're guilty, but I'm not sure.

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Speaker 2: Words were never spoken, Percy. But I want to circle

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Speaker 2: back to the parents in this scenario, Apparently the apple

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Speaker 2: does not fall far from the tree. Take a listen

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Speaker 2: to our cut twenty six from Crime Online.

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Speaker 17: In a phone call obtained by the Charleston Post and Courier,

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Speaker 17: Kamarowski's father says, quote, you don't need to be sorry, Jamie.

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Speaker 17: This is what happened, and we're going to take care

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Speaker 17: of it. There's no being sorry about it. Her father

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Speaker 17: said during one call. We don't care about what happened.

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Speaker 17: We don't care. We only care about you. Kamarowski repeatedly

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Speaker 17: thanked her parents for standing by her.

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Speaker 2: We don't care what happened, we don't care what happened

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Speaker 2: to the bride. Well, we only care about you and

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Speaker 2: getting you out of jail.

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Speaker 3: Is that Percy.

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Speaker 20: Yeah, you know, she's just never been held accountable for anything.

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Speaker 20: She's just and obviously her parents probably instigated that in

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Speaker 20: early childhood. You know, I'm going to take care of you.

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Speaker 2: We don't care what happened. Okay, But there's also the

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Speaker 2: mom in this scenario. What do we know about the mom?

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Speaker 2: Take a listen to our cut thirty six, our friend.

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Speaker 12: Dave Mack, ten years before her daughter allegedly struck and

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Speaker 12: killed a bride on her wedding night on Fowley Beach.

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Speaker 12: Sixty two year old Tracy Kamarowski was the driver of

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Speaker 12: a jeep that struck and killed Forest Fire Service warden

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Speaker 12: Jeffrey Sure during a control burn in New Jersey. It

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Speaker 12: was mid morning as the control burned near Round Valley

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Speaker 12: Reservoir in New Jersey was underway when the wind suddenly

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Speaker 12: shifted and sent smoked so heavy across the road that

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Speaker 12: three drivers couldn't see a fire truck partially blocking the

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Speaker 12: road with emergency lights flashing. The first vehicle narrowly missed

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Speaker 12: the truck and Warden Sure, but the jeep behind it,

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Speaker 12: driven by Tracy Komorowski, struck and killed the firefighter near

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Speaker 12: Round Valley Recreation. Here the suv that was third in

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Speaker 12: line clipped the fire truck and the jeep. Jeffrey Sure

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Speaker 12: was thirty five and a six year veteran of the

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Speaker 12: Fire Service. The crash that took his life was deemed

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Speaker 12: a tragic accident and no charges were filed.

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Speaker 2: So that's what we know about the mom, and we

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Speaker 2: know the dad. Has told the daughter, Jamie Lee Komarowski,

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Speaker 2: we don't care what happened to the bride. We care

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Speaker 2: about you and what is happening to this woman behind bars?

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Speaker 2: While Takeolos to our cut thirty two.

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Speaker 12: Kamarowski has been vocal about conditions in the jail. Her

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Speaker 12: complaints range from a lack of writing supplies to not

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Speaker 12: having an exercise matt to do her crunches. Kamarowski has

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Speaker 12: complained about nosy deputies and the food hot dogs, called meatballs,

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Speaker 12: white bread, and more. She even complains that a deputy

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Speaker 12: wouldn't even let her hold the remote control to change

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Speaker 12: the television channels in her holding area.

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Speaker 2: Audrey Conklin joining us from Fox News Digital, Please help me, Audrey,

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Speaker 2: how do we know this woman complained about not being

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Speaker 2: able to hold the TV remote?

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Speaker 13: We know that because the Posting Courier obtained recordings from

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Speaker 13: the jailhouse that Jamie made with her parents and her friends,

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Speaker 13: and that's what she said in one of the recordings.

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Speaker 2: Meatballs, hot dogs, bread, yoga, Matt TV remote writing supplies.

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Speaker 2: Cheryl McCollum. Maybe she needs to review the crime scene photos.

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Speaker 11: Can you imagine just the witness list? Maybe don't even

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Speaker 11: get to the photographs yet. Just look at the witnesses. Grandma,

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Speaker 11: your elderly neighbor growing up, your first grade teacher, your

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Speaker 11: best friend from college, your best friend from first grade.

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Speaker 11: It goes on and own, your siblings, your parents. I

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Speaker 11: can't imagine that scene. Having worn't that as a first responder.

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Speaker 11: Were not just you have this tragic death, but every

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Speaker 11: single person that loved her was right there.

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Speaker 2: Well it's not over, is it. Audrey Conklin joining us

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Speaker 2: in Fox News Digital, Audrey, take a listen to our

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Speaker 2: cut thirty one, our Forensic Crime Online.

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Speaker 17: During their jail house conversations obtained by the Charleston Post

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Speaker 17: and Courier, Kamarowski's father said, quote bringing the jersey to

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Speaker 17: South Carolina, Baby. He was referring to the fact that

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Speaker 17: two top notch attorneys have been hired to represent Kamarowski,

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Speaker 17: a husband and wife team who hailed from their home

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Speaker 17: state of New Jersey. During the conversation, Kamarowski's father tells

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Speaker 17: her to stop talking about the wreck. He reminds her

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Speaker 17: that her statements were being recorded and could be used

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Speaker 17: against her. Kamarowski keeps interrupting and ignoring his words. Jamie

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Speaker 17: Lee Komarowski says, quote, but I wanted to make sure

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Speaker 17: that I could say an apology, and they said I

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Speaker 17: would be able to say an apology. Kamarowski's father, listen,

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Speaker 17: stop talking about it. Don't even say that.

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Speaker 3: So I guess what's happening right there.

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Speaker 2: Jarrett Farantino, Homici prosecutor, is the father is savvy enough

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Speaker 2: to know that if you apologize, that could indicate you

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Speaker 2: know you're guilty.

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Speaker 3: And he's like, don't say that, don't say that.

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Speaker 15: None of what she's saying is helping her nancy in

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Speaker 15: any way, and she's seeing this as an opportunity to

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Speaker 15: express remorse despite her dad's warning, Oh who express remore?

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Speaker 2: She's saying, I hope the judge knows I'm really sorry,

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Speaker 2: And do I get a chance to make an apology?

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Speaker 2: Everything is about her looking good to get out on bond.

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Speaker 3: That's what this is about exactly.

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Speaker 15: And her attorney in the bond application said, her client

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Speaker 15: or their client is being painted as the villain. She

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Speaker 15: is the villain.

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Speaker 8: Who is she?

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Speaker 3: She is the villain in this scenario.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, absolutely, Audrey Conklin, what can you tell us about

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Speaker 2: the status of a bond for the defendant, Jamie Lee Komaroski.

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Speaker 9: I can tell you that she fully expects to postpond.

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Speaker 9: She's expecting her parents and her family to come in

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Speaker 9: and post this money for her so that she can

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Speaker 9: get out of jail. She's told her friends that she

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Speaker 9: thinks she's going to get out of jail soon.

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Speaker 2: We wait as Justice unfoles.

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Speaker 7: Goodbye friend,