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Speaker 1: been protecting Tennessee and since nineteen forty seven, Mike Keith
Speaker 1: and Amy Wells with our Titans radio draft duo of
Speaker 1: Rhett Bryan and coach Dave McGinnis, let's dive right into
Speaker 1: some of the big draft topics. Recently, I went to
Speaker 1: a wedding in Florida, and going through the Jacksonville Airport,
Speaker 1: I saw the murals on the wall of all the
Speaker 1: current Jags players and the Garner Menshew mural picture whatever.
Speaker 1: I mean. It is funny because they put so much
Speaker 1: in the mustache and Garner Menshew and whatever. But here's
Speaker 1: the thing, Ratt, they needed somebody to hang their hat on.
Speaker 1: And as somebody who's worked for an NFL team for
Speaker 1: twenty three years and having had to go out and
Speaker 1: sell two and fourteen and three and thirteen and four
Speaker 1: and twelve, you're hanging your hat on whomever you have.
Speaker 1: So I don't blame them for wanting to put Gardner
Speaker 1: Minshew up in the Jacksonville Airport I get it. The
Speaker 1: fact of the matter is what I'm getting to is
Speaker 1: Gardner Minshew's coming down pretty quick. Oh yeah, he may
Speaker 1: turn him into a Gardner. Yes, Gardner Minshew is coming
Speaker 1: down and everything. It's gonna be Trevor Lawrence, everything, even
Speaker 1: the James Robinson's you saw in there, it's down. He
Speaker 1: is going to be the face of this franchise from
Speaker 1: the start of their franchise. He now becomes the biggest
Speaker 1: name they've ever had. Yeah. Ever, and I'm talking about
Speaker 1: Brunelle and Jimmy Smith and Freddie Taylor and Maurice Jones. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because they've never had the number one pick to take
Speaker 1: up and they've never had this kind of dude. Right,
Speaker 1: do you think he's ready for that? I think the
Speaker 1: thing that he may not be ready for is losing.
Speaker 1: That's the thing I'd be concerned with. Because the young
Speaker 1: man lost three games in high school and two in college.
Speaker 1: That's it. Yeah, five losses between high school and college.
Speaker 1: And then you're going to a place that you come here,
Speaker 1: come here, you're okay, Well, let me flip it around
Speaker 1: in a different way for coach. Is it a good
Speaker 1: thing than that? He has been a prodigy since he
Speaker 1: was fourteen years old walking into this situation. Ali Tiger
Speaker 1: Woods or Peyton Manning or somebody of that ilk Lebron James.
Speaker 1: You know, you're talking about people who are built this way,
Speaker 1: who are supposed to be this great, and then because
Speaker 1: they've been prodigies, maybe they handle it better. Well, he
Speaker 1: will handle it better. Okay, we'll handle it better. And
Speaker 1: here's the other thing that'll happen too. They have positioned
Speaker 1: themselves because they've been so bad for so long, with
Speaker 1: so many top draft choices they still have, they will
Speaker 1: put better people around him. It's gonna be it's gonna
Speaker 1: be very competitive. Troy Aikman. When Jimmy took Troy Aikman,
Speaker 1: they went one in fifteen. That first year Troy had
Speaker 1: been at Oklahoma, he'd been at UCLA, he'd been used
Speaker 1: to win in a lot of games. They were really bad,
Speaker 1: really bad, but then they got really good because of him,
Speaker 1: and they added people at people around him. So here's
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. You've got to have that piece in
Speaker 1: the National Football League. You've got to have that dude,
Speaker 1: You've got to have a quarterback. Because you've heard me
Speaker 1: say it before. If you don't have a quarterback. You've
Speaker 1: got a highly paid rugby team, you've got to have
Speaker 1: a quarterback, and now they've got him one. Yeah. But
Speaker 1: here's the thing with the prodigy kind of analogy that
Speaker 1: Mike was talking about. He's also had a tremendous amount
Speaker 1: of consistency to go along with those wins. I mean,
Speaker 1: he had the same high school coach all the way through,
Speaker 1: same college coach all the way through. He's walking into
Speaker 1: an organization now that is experiencing what we'll call a
Speaker 1: little bit of a transition. I mean, a full new
Speaker 1: coaching staff. They've got a lot of different moving parts
Speaker 1: that are moving around. And in the NFL, you don't
Speaker 1: have that same level of consistency. You don't have guys
Speaker 1: around you for four years just because you're all the
Speaker 1: same age. You don't have coaches staying. Even if you
Speaker 1: are successful. Coaches change, there's so many things that change.
Speaker 1: And with all of the expectations that are being put
Speaker 1: on this young kid, now, is there a chance that
Speaker 1: he's going to be a little on his left foot
Speaker 1: for a while. I think it's possible, And you can't
Speaker 1: just ride on his past record and what he's done
Speaker 1: before hasn't been great. Yes, he's also been surrounded by
Speaker 1: a lot of stability that he's not going to have anymore.
Speaker 1: I want him on his left foot, it's great points.
Speaker 1: I want him on his left foot twice a year.
Speaker 1: I want him on his butt twice a year. I
Speaker 1: don't want him on either foot. I second all of
Speaker 1: those things. So we'll talk later this week on the
Speaker 1: OTP with Frank Frangie, the voice of the Jacksonville Jaguars,
Speaker 1: to discuss exactly what Trevor Lawrence is going to mean
Speaker 1: to this franchise. I think that'll be some good conversation.
Speaker 1: But right now, I want to talk of receivers. Dave McGinnis,
Speaker 1: why has Jamar Chase emerged as the number one wide
Speaker 1: receiver in the twenty twenty one NFL Draft. He possesses
Speaker 1: every trait that you want right now in a receiver.
Speaker 1: First of all, let's just get to his physical traits.
Speaker 1: He's a physical dude. Not extremely tall, but he's physical.
Speaker 1: He's a combat catcher. He's great at the glance in
Speaker 1: the quick slants that are so prevalent now because he
Speaker 1: can catch it, he can run through a second level.
Speaker 1: He can also take the top off of it. When
Speaker 1: he needs to, he can get on top of defensive backs.
Speaker 1: And he's a competitive dude, because most of your catches
Speaker 1: down the National Football League their combat catches, and you've
Speaker 1: got to have those kind of guys. He's got all
Speaker 1: the requisite skills that it takes, and he's produced over
Speaker 1: a period of time. He is the number one receiver
Speaker 1: in my humble opinion, in this draft. And I'll give
Speaker 1: you some of the numbers to back up what coach
Speaker 1: Mack is saying, because while his speed isn't Tyreek Hill,
Speaker 1: he's still pretty quick. It comes down to his play strength.
Speaker 1: When he's hand fighting with those dbs, he's a bully.
Speaker 1: He's physical. His run after a catch ability it's impressive.
Speaker 1: It's a J. Brownlike and he has that long speed,
Speaker 1: like he said, to take the top off the defense
Speaker 1: and to go with all that, a sick vertical leap
Speaker 1: for those combat catches forty one inches. The contested catches
Speaker 1: are usually his, and the production is there. Twenty one
Speaker 1: game started at LSU opted out in twenty twenty twenty
Speaker 1: three receiving touchdowns. I got a scenario for you, play
Speaker 1: a little game here. See what the three of you
Speaker 1: think of this scenario. The Atlanta Falcons are scheduled to
Speaker 1: pick at number four. Many people think they are going
Speaker 1: to take Kyle Pitts, the tight end from Florida. Here's
Speaker 1: my scenario. Tell me what you think. I say they
Speaker 1: take Jamar Chase and then they think about making a
Speaker 1: post June one cut of Julio Jones and saving the money. Well,
Speaker 1: you think, coach, they could do that. They absolutely could
Speaker 1: do that. I mean, that's not that's not far fetched,
Speaker 1: and you know, for real reasons, and they're in they've
Speaker 1: got money issues. Oh yeah, I mean our good friend
Speaker 1: Arthur Smith has got money issues down there. They do,
Speaker 1: that's not far fetched. Mike Keith, I propose another scenario,
Speaker 1: two different scenarios. One they take panasul as the tackle
Speaker 1: to tackle from Oregon to protect Matt Ryan going forward.
Speaker 1: But the one I think they really do, and the
Speaker 1: money trouble comes into this is trading down and trading
Speaker 1: down into the round somewhere in the low twenties before
Speaker 1: you get to the Titans, but certainly before you get
Speaker 1: to the Pittsburgh Steelers at twenty four. And you if
Speaker 1: you're Arthur Smith and you can talk Terry Fontno into
Speaker 1: doing this. You get yourself a guy like Naja Harris
Speaker 1: to duplicate some of what you've done here as an
Speaker 1: offensive coordinator with Derek Henry as a running back in
Speaker 1: this thing, because you don't have a runner. You need
Speaker 1: a running back in this thing. You still have some receivers,
Speaker 1: but you need a running back. I think that your
Speaker 1: scenario with the Falcons going after Jamar Chase makes a
Speaker 1: ton of sense because of the financial component and the
Speaker 1: Julio Jones think they were not happy with him last year. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was not not happy with how he handled twenty twenty.
Speaker 1: So just a theory. Are you you're the next scenario question?
Speaker 1: All right? For the draft duo Ratt, We're starting with you.
Speaker 1: Who are your three three favorite edge rushers. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: give you guys that are I think value picks on down.
Speaker 1: I'm not talking first round here, and there's some guys
Speaker 1: I really like. One of them who is going to
Speaker 1: be a name that'll be called early on night two
Speaker 1: on Friday Night in the second round is Carlos Boogie
Speaker 1: Basham from Wake Forest. Boogie fifteen quarterback sacks, seven force
Speaker 1: fumbles over his last two years at Wake Forest. He
Speaker 1: has explosion measurables in this thing. He ran a four
Speaker 1: six four forty at his pro day at two hundred
Speaker 1: and seventy four pounds, and the reason I bring that
Speaker 1: up since the year two thousand, defensive lineman weighing more
Speaker 1: than two hundred and seventy pounds and running a sub
Speaker 1: four seventy forty include Miles Garrett, Everson Griffin, justin Houston,
Speaker 1: Mario Williams, and the best defender in the game, Aaron Donald. Well,
Speaker 1: those are good players. So he's number one. Give us
Speaker 1: two more. Peyton Turner. He's in treeing prospect out of Houston,
Speaker 1: and this is young man. He put on weight a
Speaker 1: year ago to try to take on a role as
Speaker 1: a bigger defensive lineman. Too sluggish, too much, dropped down
Speaker 1: to two seventy, and he is an enormous human being.
Speaker 1: At six to five, has an eighty five inch wingspan,
Speaker 1: thirty five and a half inch vertical leap. Did an
Speaker 1: impressive six point seven seconds in his three cone drill
Speaker 1: twenty three reps at two twenty five, showing explosion and
Speaker 1: short area quickness. He's developmental, but he is an athlete
Speaker 1: big time and the last one is a young man
Speaker 1: from Lifonia, Georgia like Kevin Bayard. And this man is
Speaker 1: Jordan Smith a B. And he was one of the
Speaker 1: guys that got in trouble in Florida, committed there and
Speaker 1: had a credit card scandal fraud deal, went to Butler
Speaker 1: Community College in Kansas and tore it up there, then
Speaker 1: transferred to U A B. Four forced fumbles in fourteen games,
Speaker 1: thirteen starts, First team all. I mean, he's just gotten
Speaker 1: numbers all over the place. Good motor, good burst. He
Speaker 1: could stand to add some functional strength in his lowers
Speaker 1: because he has a huge guy at six six, two
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty whatever pounds. I like all three of
Speaker 1: those guys, but Carlos Boogie Basham leads the way. Mac
Speaker 1: the most pure pass rusher. Now again, I'm not talking
Speaker 1: about anything off the field. I'm not talking about medicals.
Speaker 1: I'm not drafting players any more. I'm just watching traits
Speaker 1: on film. Okay, okay. Jalen Phillips, he's a complete pass rusher.
Speaker 1: He's got counter moves, he understands how to set people up.
Speaker 1: He can he can rush the passer. If you're asking
Speaker 1: me who can rush the passer in this draft, just
Speaker 1: pure pass rusher. I like Jalen Phillips. Now, was he
Speaker 1: the young man who started at use in La and
Speaker 1: then transferred to Miame of Florida. Yes, okay, yes, and
Speaker 1: so he's got other issues. But as I said, I'm
Speaker 1: not involved in issues. I'm just involved in traits. Go
Speaker 1: hit the quarterback, yeah, and that okay. I like Joe
Speaker 1: Tryon from Washington. This is a bigger guy six five,
Speaker 1: two hundred and sixty one pounds. Now, he needs technical work,
Speaker 1: but he has got size coming off the edge, and
Speaker 1: he can go speed to power. He's got some bend
Speaker 1: to him, but he can also I think once he'd learned,
Speaker 1: and I say technical work, he needs to learn how
Speaker 1: to how to you know, how to how to step,
Speaker 1: how to come off lower, all of those things that
Speaker 1: are that are real, you know, either learned traits or
Speaker 1: they're taught traits. But I like what he brings. Here's
Speaker 1: a guy that's not big but that just knows how
Speaker 1: to go get the quarterback. Is from Georgia. I just
Speaker 1: like the way he plays. He plays with a lot
Speaker 1: of motor. He's not tall, but he plays long. He's
Speaker 1: got a good reach, he's got long reach and he
Speaker 1: understands you know how to go, how to go get
Speaker 1: to a spot. And so those are three They're entirely three,
Speaker 1: entirely different guys, but those are the three l I
Speaker 1: want to ask a question about the three cone drill,
Speaker 1: because as we hear bench press, forty yard dash, all
Speaker 1: the different the vertical jump, the broad jump, all that stuff.
Speaker 1: As I've talked to football people and tried to learn
Speaker 1: things over the year, the three cone drill is the
Speaker 1: one that has consistently been something that has pointed out
Speaker 1: to me as maybe the most telling test of athleticism.
Speaker 1: Coach mac, what is the three cone drill? Where did
Speaker 1: it come from? And why is it so important in
Speaker 1: evaluating athleticism. First of all, the three co drill, the
Speaker 1: cones are set up and you've got to go around
Speaker 1: a series of three cones. You cannot touch the cones.
Speaker 1: And I'm gonna go back and say, we know who
Speaker 1: started it. It was c Obra cop long time oilers,
Speaker 1: Tight and Scout. You know, one of a really dear
Speaker 1: friend of all of us, really good friend of mine.
Speaker 1: Knew him for years. God bless rest his soul. But
Speaker 1: what it does, first of all, you hear me all
Speaker 1: the time talk about that that gumby bend. Can you bend?
Speaker 1: Can you bend? Off the inside? And it shows you that.
Speaker 1: Now this is for all positions, shows lower body flex. Okay,
Speaker 1: it also it also shows balance and then if you
Speaker 1: if if they set it up and run it correctly,
Speaker 1: c O used to get I've been to I can't
Speaker 1: count the number of pro days I've been to a
Speaker 1: CEO at different colleges. And if they had the three
Speaker 1: cone drills set up with cones that were too tall.
Speaker 1: He didn't like those little baby cones that look like
Speaker 1: the pup cup that you get when you go through
Speaker 1: Starbucks right now, he didn't didn't like that. And okay,
Speaker 1: they had to be they had to be the medium
Speaker 1: sized cone because the bigger cones, okay, because if you
Speaker 1: touch the cone, then the drill started over, all right,
Speaker 1: So he wanted the medium sized cones. And then he
Speaker 1: wanted them he wanted them set up, you know, in
Speaker 1: a precise manner so that you were running not only
Speaker 1: ninety degree angles, you were running forty five degree turns there.
Speaker 1: And there's a lot to it and what it shows
Speaker 1: you is and a good measure for it a skilled guy.
Speaker 1: If you've got a skilled guy that's running under seven
Speaker 1: seconds on the three cone, you got a dude. It
Speaker 1: doesn't mean he can play football, but at least you've
Speaker 1: got to do this. Got some lower body flex and
Speaker 1: can can change directions and can also stay in continuous motion.
Speaker 1: The game of football is a real short burst game.
Speaker 1: It's a short burst game, but it's got to be
Speaker 1: short burst in continuous motion. You don't start stop a
Speaker 1: lot in football, you just don't you know, you start
Speaker 1: stopping basketball, you stop a lot in baseball, you don't.
Speaker 1: You know. Football, Once you get an explosive movement, then
Speaker 1: you've got to keep continually moving. And it's a lower
Speaker 1: body game. What you surety? I mean, got these mister
Speaker 1: Americas out there and they can't play dead on the
Speaker 1: football field. And he got some dudes who I mean,
Speaker 1: you see those guys with those lower bodies, and you
Speaker 1: I mean, you'd like to see the athletic upper body
Speaker 1: guys too. Don't get me wrong, but it's a game
Speaker 1: of legs. Well, because it's again it's a short burst game, right,
Speaker 1: it's a it's a game of leverage, and it's a
Speaker 1: game of flexibility. You know, it's what it is. And
Speaker 1: then it's a game of when you get in space,
Speaker 1: not only in space. I mean we could go over
Speaker 1: this forever, but it's a game of length. It's a
Speaker 1: game of length. I mean you've got to have you
Speaker 1: got to have length as a defensive front player to
Speaker 1: be able to separate because you got to get off
Speaker 1: quick and then be able to move. You need length
Speaker 1: on the edges offensively, and then you need length to
Speaker 1: be able to win one on one downfield. So that's
Speaker 1: the three cone drill. But c O Brocado, who in
Speaker 1: my mind should be in the Hall of Fame for
Speaker 1: what he did for scouting in the National Football League,
Speaker 1: that was his drill. But he if you ever went
Speaker 1: to a school workout with Ceo, you did not touch
Speaker 1: the three cone drill because he would dog cush you.
Speaker 1: In a second, yes he wouldn't. Yeah, And so that's
Speaker 1: the three cone drill. Who is the player that is
Speaker 1: going to go higher in this draft. Then he is
Speaker 1: currently being projected in mock drafts in the days leading
Speaker 1: up to the twenty twenty one NFL Draft. Zaven Collins
Speaker 1: from Tulsa, who the more you look at him, I mean,
Speaker 1: here's here's a kid that is even bigger now. I
Speaker 1: think his last day was two seventy. He was two
Speaker 1: fifty at Tulsa. But this is a space athlete. We
Speaker 1: talk about space athletes, we talk about guys that have
Speaker 1: those those movement numbers. He's from Hominy, Oklahoma. So anybody
Speaker 1: here could pinpoint Hominy on a map. I'll give you
Speaker 1: five hundred dollar right now, and it's clear up in
Speaker 1: the northern part by eleven people in town. There'll be
Speaker 1: ten when he leaves. But this guy, this guy is
Speaker 1: an athlete. He is an athlete, and he is he's
Speaker 1: in today's football what you need because at that type
Speaker 1: of weight, I mean, he can play on the edge
Speaker 1: in a three four, you can move him around. I
Speaker 1: mean he is a he is a lot like if
Speaker 1: you want to stand him up behind the line, Tremaine Edmonds.
Speaker 1: He's like six nine, he's got a wingspan, but he
Speaker 1: can play in space, right, he can play in space.
Speaker 1: But he's got the physical size and length. And because
Speaker 1: he played at Tulsa, which you know, you know, not
Speaker 1: any disrespect to the Golden Hurricanes, but it's not a
Speaker 1: power of five school. And so what who he's played
Speaker 1: against now he's had some nice games against some Power
Speaker 1: of five schools, but I think that the more we
Speaker 1: get to it, and again, I you know, I've talked
Speaker 1: several you know, people involved in draft rooms, and I
Speaker 1: don't ask him specific questions because it's not fair because
Speaker 1: I wouldn't tell him if I was met doing that.
Speaker 1: So I know better than what to not ask. But
Speaker 1: the talk around him is and when you just start
Speaker 1: looking at him and what the game is today. Defensively,
Speaker 1: he's a nice piece rat. I'm gonna give you three
Speaker 1: guys that are moving up the board, and not necessarily
Speaker 1: on nine one, but one is Javonte Williams, the power
Speaker 1: running back from North Carolina. I think he's the third
Speaker 1: running back taken in this draft. And I don't you know,
Speaker 1: some mocks even show him, you know, bottom of the
Speaker 1: first round. Don't know that that happens. But he is
Speaker 1: a low, built to the ground, solid rock dude five nine,
Speaker 1: two hundred and twelve pounds who is a power rusher
Speaker 1: in this thing. Okay. The other is a guy who
Speaker 1: has an interesting story. He's a Louisiana native. He originally
Speaker 1: committed to LSU, got in trouble there, transferred to Kentucky,
Speaker 1: had one year as a starter, and that's Kelvin Joseph
Speaker 1: at cornerback. And this guy had an incredible Pro Day
Speaker 1: and has production in the one year. There are some
Speaker 1: scouts that think he has a first round grade had
Speaker 1: he not had the off field issues in this thing.
Speaker 1: He's a guy that's gonna rise on night too. And
Speaker 1: then the third one is an obvious one, and that's
Speaker 1: Davis Mills, the quarterback from Stanford, and Davis is a
Speaker 1: season and a half starters, a bad knee that I
Speaker 1: don't know about the medicals on this thing, but he's
Speaker 1: a Georgian native who played at Stanford, and he starts
Speaker 1: the next tier of quarterbacks after the five that we
Speaker 1: think will be taken in the first round. All Right,
Speaker 1: Rhett seems to know the depth of this draft really well.
Speaker 1: So let me give you another one. If we're assuming
Speaker 1: Patrick certain is the first cornerback to come off of
Speaker 1: the board, who do we think is the second? Right?
Speaker 1: I think if you're asking coach Mack the same question,
Speaker 1: he and I are going to have the same answer,
Speaker 1: and that would be JC Horn from South Carolina. He
Speaker 1: is just a shade over six feet two hundred and
Speaker 1: five pounds. All of his measurables, including a forty one
Speaker 1: and a half inch vertical and a broad jump of
Speaker 1: eleven plus feet at his pro day, are in the
Speaker 1: ninety sixth percentile of cornerbacks in draft evaluation. Big physical,
Speaker 1: long guy, thirty three inch long arms, who is just
Speaker 1: a super physical guy. Like a lot of young corners
Speaker 1: coming out. He's a bit two, sticky and grabby. I
Speaker 1: think he's got some things to work on that. But
Speaker 1: if Sir Tan is gone and I'm a team that
Speaker 1: wants a next cornerback, it's Jac Horn from South Carolina. Yes,
Speaker 1: I mean that, what's true? I mean it is now.
Speaker 1: I mean we get into the Caleb Farley, you know conversation,
Speaker 1: but we're talking about the Virginia Tech. Yeah, we're talking
Speaker 1: about the draft now. If you want a healthy dude
Speaker 1: right now, it's JC Horn. And the best thing that
Speaker 1: he does. Red has gone through a lot of his traits,
Speaker 1: but the best thing that he does we talk about
Speaker 1: these combat catchers. He is tremendous at the catch point
Speaker 1: because he's got the vertical, he's got the length, and
Speaker 1: he's got he can stay in phase. He's an in
Speaker 1: phase corner. There are some corners that are ketchup corners,
Speaker 1: there are some corners that are immediate jump corners, and
Speaker 1: then there are some in phase corners. This is an
Speaker 1: in phase dude that is really good at the catch point.
Speaker 1: So third corner taken? Is it Caleb Farley from Virginia Tech?
Speaker 1: Or is it Greg Newsoon from Northwestern? Am I drafting? Yes? Yes,
Speaker 1: I'm taking Greg Newsom from Northwestern. You're worried about the
Speaker 1: back I am again. I dropped out of medical school
Speaker 1: after once a year because it was way too easy.
Speaker 1: But this, you know, Caleb Farley is a wonderful prospect
Speaker 1: from what I know. Again, as I said, I don't
Speaker 1: do medicals anymore, I'm not ding. But this is not
Speaker 1: the only issue he's had. He's got a little history.
Speaker 1: But Newsom has a history too. Yes he does. Newsom
Speaker 1: miss thirteen games over three years, but he's still he
Speaker 1: has not had anything this recent. Okay, in my mind,
Speaker 1: there's a little bit of lack of production with Greg
Speaker 1: Newsom in terms of what he had one pick in college,
Speaker 1: that's it. One an interception. Man. He played great this year,
Speaker 1: he really did. And the Caleb Farley thing is interesting.
Speaker 1: Because he had the micro dissected me on his back.
Speaker 1: He's supposed to be cleared by July. I think he
Speaker 1: got some good medical news. You know, Indianapolis de oh
Speaker 1: a couple of three weeks ago. But he's an athlete.
Speaker 1: This guy's a former high school quarterback through twenty one
Speaker 1: touchdowns and ran for thirty some odd more in his
Speaker 1: senior year and you know, committed as a wide out
Speaker 1: then moved to cornerback. He's got physical traits, it's just
Speaker 1: the health because he's missed some stuff with the back
Speaker 1: before he opted out in twenty twenty. How much of
Speaker 1: an impact more than maybe in previous years, is a
Speaker 1: medical report or previous injuries going to have on this
Speaker 1: draft because so many teams need their drafted players to
Speaker 1: play right now, Mac, is that going to have a
Speaker 1: bigger impact than typically it would? It's always had an impact,
Speaker 1: And it's a it's a relevant question because I mean,
Speaker 1: we're sitting here right now with a great example of
Speaker 1: a guy that you know, the our general manager, John
Speaker 1: Drives had the foresight to take and the patients, with
Speaker 1: the coach and staff to wait on. That is very
Speaker 1: much worth it. But I think that you have to
Speaker 1: know exactly what that. Now, if people know more about
Speaker 1: Farley than I do, that says this is nothing that
Speaker 1: are deep down and they know, well, then that's the dude, okay,
Speaker 1: or if you're willing to wait on him a little bit,
Speaker 1: but what you say brings up a point. And here's
Speaker 1: the other thing too. This draft class is the most
Speaker 1: unusual for a long time because this is the fewest
Speaker 1: eyes these players have ever had on him in person,
Speaker 1: the fewest eyes ever in person. And so to me,
Speaker 1: the more health that you can get, the earlier that
Speaker 1: you can get it is going to be important. So
Speaker 1: what is the surest thing in the twenty twenty one
Speaker 1: NFL Draft? Mac slam dunk, no question, surest thing? Coupit? Okay, Wow,
Speaker 1: Florida tight end. He's not a tight end. He's a
Speaker 1: mismatch monster beast. He will line up anywhere that they
Speaker 1: want to whoever gets him. This guy is that. And
Speaker 1: I can't help but look at the draft as a
Speaker 1: defensive coach because that's what I was and his you know,
Speaker 1: m at heart, you think about the matchup nightmares that
Speaker 1: he's going to cause defensive coaches because this is a
Speaker 1: guy with an I mean RT's got all his numbers
Speaker 1: Retz and numbers guy this year, but he's got the
Speaker 1: wingspan that this guy has. You talk about combat catches,
Speaker 1: but he can run. He's combative. He could line up removed.
Speaker 1: If you're gonna go three by one and have him
Speaker 1: the single guy by himself over on the other side
Speaker 1: where you're either going to demand single coverage or be
Speaker 1: able to get roll coverage. This guy cow pits. The
Speaker 1: interesting thing about Kyle Pitts is when people have done
Speaker 1: the comparables of him to former players, former prospects. The
Speaker 1: comparable that I've seen the most is Megatron is Calvin Johnson,
Speaker 1: who was not a tight end, who was a extremely
Speaker 1: large wide receiver who ran four four ish, and I
Speaker 1: found that fascinating. How good was Megatron? He was okay, Yeah,
Speaker 1: he was fine, he was fair. Yeah, So to me,
Speaker 1: that's a and I've seen him compared to tonygan Zalez, right,
Speaker 1: just because of tight end, But I think the Megatron
Speaker 1: is a more fair comparison. Mike Rhet, who's your suriest thing.
Speaker 1: I'll answer it like Coach Mack. Yes, it's Kyle Pitts.
Speaker 1: Coach Mack taught us all there's the draft, and then
Speaker 1: there's the quarterback draft. He's the best player in this
Speaker 1: draft that's not involved as a quarterback. Everyone you talk
Speaker 1: to when you hear some evaluators call him the unicorn,
Speaker 1: that he is as big as he is, and as
Speaker 1: coach Mack says, he's got the twitch. In other words,
Speaker 1: he is just absolutely explosion everywhere and has an incredible
Speaker 1: physique and the measurables, and I think that's what all right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: but Coach Max, right, if you're just putting him in
Speaker 1: a box's tight end. Some people have him rated better
Speaker 1: than Tony Gonzalez, who you know has a gold jacket.
Speaker 1: But I'm with you, he's not necessarily tight end. He's
Speaker 1: a mismatch nightmare, six five two forty five hands, an
Speaker 1: incredibly big ten and five eight eighty four inch wings
Speaker 1: span four to four in the forty ten foot nine
Speaker 1: inch broad jump, his vertical thirty three and a half
Speaker 1: even at that size, and he's got the power at
Speaker 1: twenty two reps at two twenty five plug and play
Speaker 1: and just watch people just have fits over. Where is
Speaker 1: Kyle Pitts on the field. I'm just disappointed that Matt
Speaker 1: gave your nickname of monster Beast Mike to this guy,
Speaker 1: he hasn't even done anything yet, and that's what we
Speaker 1: call you. Thank you. So yeah, do you have a
Speaker 1: surest thing in this draft as you have studied? I
Speaker 1: have another one. Actually, I would like to throw this
Speaker 1: to the the draft duo to see what they think
Speaker 1: of my surest thing. Well, mine is a lame one
Speaker 1: because my surest thing was Trevor Lawrence going to Jacksonville
Speaker 1: and everyone just kind of reaffirmed that to me earlier
Speaker 1: in the podcast. So that's also a correct thing. That
Speaker 1: was My surest thing is that he will be a Jagon.
Speaker 1: We will see him twice year. My surest thing in
Speaker 1: this draft is Oklahoma center Creed Humphrey. Oh you'll get
Speaker 1: sure centers very often. Creed Humphrey didn't allow a sack
Speaker 1: in his entire career at Oklahoma. Is a great wrestler.
Speaker 1: It's in his family. It's in his family. He's massive,
Speaker 1: and he's the Unicorn of centers because he's a left handed,
Speaker 1: left handed center. I don't think I realized he was
Speaker 1: left handed, but yeah, he is scary good. Yeah, somebody's
Speaker 1: gonna go Creed, You're the center. I mean, this guy, Hello,
Speaker 1: he could be, he could be all pro. We were
Speaker 1: around a pretty good left handed center Hall of Famer
Speaker 1: Kevin what that's right left handed? I'd forgotten that. How
Speaker 1: about that? All right? I want to end with this,
Speaker 1: So I've gone through the top three hundred prospects from
Speaker 1: Todd McShay and the top three hundred prospects from Dane Brugler,
Speaker 1: two draft analysts that I think we can all agree
Speaker 1: we respect. They're a picture, yes, and they're pretty similar
Speaker 1: on a lot of guys and a lot of the
Speaker 1: top guys that their numbers are pretty similar. But then
Speaker 1: they have some that they're way apart on, like, for example,
Speaker 1: duke tight end Noah Gray. McShay has him his number one,
Speaker 1: one sixty five prospect. Brugler has him at two seventy nine,
Speaker 1: so they're one hundred and fourteen Apolle Wow Sage Sarat
Speaker 1: the wide receiver from wake Forest McShay one oh four.
Speaker 1: Brugler has him number two fourteen, so they're over one
Speaker 1: hundred apart there. Then b Yu offensive tackle Brady Christiansen,
Speaker 1: Brugler has him at sixty two. McShay has him at
Speaker 1: two thirty nine. No, now, if Brett doesn't like that
Speaker 1: you're getting angry. Here's how that's gonna happen. Okay, that's
Speaker 1: all right. I like that. But that's to the point,
Speaker 1: and this is what I want to know from you,
Speaker 1: coach mac. I'm not being critical of either one of
Speaker 1: these two guys. I just wonder, with human beings and
Speaker 1: objectivity being in everything about this process. When you sit
Speaker 1: in a room with other men and now women who
Speaker 1: scout as well, what are the factors that force people
Speaker 1: to be so far apart on the same player. A
Speaker 1: lot of it can be when you've seen him, Okay,
Speaker 1: that's when you've seen them. A lot of it can
Speaker 1: be how much personal exposure you've had to him. And
Speaker 1: a lot of it depends, especially this year, as to
Speaker 1: how much actual recency tape you have on them. And
Speaker 1: some of them might be just how much time you
Speaker 1: spent on them. I mean, you don't really know that.
Speaker 1: And but the thing about those large disparities and gaps,
Speaker 1: that's what great draft rooms are about, leading up to
Speaker 1: the draft, when you write a player up. When I
Speaker 1: first started writing players up, you know, Bill Tobin said
Speaker 1: you can write players, but be ready to read them
Speaker 1: to the room and then if you're challenged, have a
Speaker 1: reason why, not that you're wrong and not that you're right,
Speaker 1: but have reasons why. That's extremely important. And then with
Speaker 1: a group, with everybody with opinions, you can come to
Speaker 1: a consensus. And at the end, that's the general manager's job,
Speaker 1: is to get a consensus of all of these picks.
Speaker 1: And so nobody's right or wrong. There is no The
Speaker 1: draft is not right or wrong right. You know, people
Speaker 1: try to say it's an inexact science. It's not a
Speaker 1: science at all. It really isn't because what you are
Speaker 1: doing is you're given opinions. Now you've got a body
Speaker 1: of work to draw on, and you can't manufacture experience
Speaker 1: doing this. You have to be able to take years
Speaker 1: and years, and sometimes it take years of bad moves
Speaker 1: or of failures, and you were able to compare. But
Speaker 1: I don't mind a big disparity to begin with. I
Speaker 1: really don't. Because somebody they put those grades on those
Speaker 1: guys for a reason. Sure, but I want to hear
Speaker 1: the reason. I want to hear your reason, and then
Speaker 1: not that you're going to convince me I'm right. It's
Speaker 1: not about right or wrong. I mean, I've got a
Speaker 1: great example here we talk about CEO Bricado. Okay, when
Speaker 1: you know, when Clay Matthews was coming out, Okay, you know,
Speaker 1: CEO was now over the whole West, and he had
Speaker 1: only seen Clay Matthews, you know, for a few games.
Speaker 1: And Clay Matthews wasn't a starter at USC for a while.
Speaker 1: Then somebody got hurt and he started. And then but
Speaker 1: because CEO had all of the West all right, then
Speaker 1: he was only able to spend a little short of time.
Speaker 1: So when we started reading them, and you know I
Speaker 1: had seen you know, of course I wasn't like CEO.
Speaker 1: I wasn't in charge of the whole West. They gave
Speaker 1: me a few people to watch, and so when I
Speaker 1: watched him, you know, I said, well, I think this
Speaker 1: guy got a chance maybe to be a late first
Speaker 1: round draft pick, and CEO did not have him that high.
Speaker 1: So you know, c got me after the draft and said,
Speaker 1: how could you do that? He said, show me right
Speaker 1: now what you watched to make him. I thought, I
Speaker 1: taught you better than that. And CEO taught me a
Speaker 1: lot a lot about scouting. So I took him downstairs
Speaker 1: and showed him. But I showed him some of the
Speaker 1: later games that you know that he had played. I mean,
Speaker 1: and you know against I said, look, watch this Oregon
Speaker 1: State game. Oregon State, I said, CEO, they won eleven
Speaker 1: games this year. I mean, you know, it's a different
Speaker 1: Oregon State. In other words, so I'm saying, it's not
Speaker 1: that you're right or wrong. And look, C graded more
Speaker 1: players than I ever grated, and I would all first
Speaker 1: about him, but I had a reason and some other
Speaker 1: people did too, and so we all came to a consensus.
Speaker 1: And see I went, you know what, I could see
Speaker 1: why watching this that you would say that that's a
Speaker 1: great explanation, coach, That is just fantastic, because you you know,
Speaker 1: you just wonder. Both Brugler and McShay obviously at Trevor
Speaker 1: Lawrence number one and Kyle Pitt's number two, and then
Speaker 1: they started differentiating, and then you come back. They had
Speaker 1: two players later in the draft at exactly the same number.
Speaker 1: Houston edge rusher Peyton Turner both had him at number
Speaker 1: sixty and Tennessee guard Trey Smith both at number ninety nine.
Speaker 1: So they saw those two players exactly the same way.
Speaker 1: Among the three hundred, somebody said on a show that
Speaker 1: I was on this week that a draft board is
Speaker 1: an organization's fingerprint. Everyone is different, and it's it's just
Speaker 1: fascinating how people see things and what they see as important,
Speaker 1: what they see as disqualifying, what they see as oh,
Speaker 1: this is what this guy can be. It is unbelievable.
Speaker 1: The best general managers, and again I've got a little
Speaker 1: point of reference because I've been doing this for a while,
Speaker 1: are those guys that are really good listeners because they're
Speaker 1: gonna watch the tape and they're gonna have their opinions.
Speaker 1: But they've hired all these other people to go out
Speaker 1: and do a massive amount of work, and they're they're
Speaker 1: the best listeners. That's why. That's why a general manager
Speaker 1: he won't read his report in the room he wants
Speaker 1: to listen. You need to have that autonomy when you're
Speaker 1: in a draft room. If you know, if the five
Speaker 1: of us are sitting in a draft room and everybody
Speaker 1: reads the report, everybody has a right to read their
Speaker 1: report and to not be disparaged by anybody while they're
Speaker 1: reading it, and then not have anybody don't dispute it
Speaker 1: until you read me your report, and then read me yours,
Speaker 1: read me, and then we all sit here and go okay,
Speaker 1: you know, and then the wise. The wise are big.
Speaker 1: The wise are big in the draft room. And are
Speaker 1: you always going to be right? No, you're not. I
Speaker 1: mean I've I've made some good draft choices. I've made
Speaker 1: some really bad ones. But when but when I made him,
Speaker 1: I didn't think they were bad. Of course, I didn't think,
Speaker 1: you know what, I'll take this guy. He's really really terrible.
Speaker 1: It's just gonna I'll just take him because I'm ready
Speaker 1: to get fired. You know, that's that's not what you do.
Speaker 1: Coach Mack is so spot on with what I've just
Speaker 1: heard you. I was on a show this week where
Speaker 1: we had Brian Billick as a guest, and the first
Speaker 1: thing I asked him, because it's draft season, about a
Speaker 1: guy I think that could be a double Hall of
Speaker 1: Fame inductee and and Ozzie Knewsom, I think he's a
Speaker 1: fantastic general manager for the Baltimore Ravens. And I said,
Speaker 1: what was it about him that made him made you
Speaker 1: so good? To set you up? You still have to
Speaker 1: hit on those picks, but he set up on the
Speaker 1: tea for you. He said he was an excellent listener.
Speaker 1: He said he was the best at it. And he said,
Speaker 1: when we had a difference of opinion about a prospect,
Speaker 1: we call it in our war room. It was we
Speaker 1: called it scrimmaging. And he said it was healthy, it
Speaker 1: was good. We wanted to get out the wise, the who's,
Speaker 1: the what's all of that, And he said, that's what
Speaker 1: made those war rooms so good, is that we got
Speaker 1: all that stuff out there and we might have a
Speaker 1: different opinion, but we scrimmaged our points and they stumped
Speaker 1: for why here's what I saw. But he said the
Speaker 1: listening was where it started for a coach. Dave McGinnis
Speaker 1: and Rhet Bryan and Amy Well, I might keep We
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