WEBVTT - The OTP: Draft Roundtable 0:00:10.400 --> 0:00:13.760 This is the OTP presented by Farm Bureau Health Plans. 0:00:13.800 --> 0:00:16.760 Don't get sacked by the high cost of healthcare. Make 0:00:16.800 --> 0:00:20.279 Farm Bureau Health Plans your first line of protection. They've 0:00:20.280 --> 0:00:24.439 been protecting Tennessee and since nineteen forty seven, Mike Keith 0:00:24.480 --> 0:00:27.800 and Amy Wells with our Titans radio draft duo of 0:00:27.960 --> 0:00:32.360 Rhett Bryan and coach Dave McGinnis, let's dive right into 0:00:32.400 --> 0:00:36.400 some of the big draft topics. Recently, I went to 0:00:36.440 --> 0:00:40.440 a wedding in Florida, and going through the Jacksonville Airport, 0:00:41.080 --> 0:00:44.680 I saw the murals on the wall of all the 0:00:44.720 --> 0:00:49.199 current Jags players and the Garner Menshew mural picture whatever. 0:00:50.680 --> 0:00:53.920 I mean. It is funny because they put so much 0:00:53.960 --> 0:00:57.560 in the mustache and Garner Menshew and whatever. But here's 0:00:57.560 --> 0:01:00.960 the thing, Ratt, they needed somebody to hang their hat on. 0:01:01.520 --> 0:01:03.800 And as somebody who's worked for an NFL team for 0:01:03.840 --> 0:01:06.560 twenty three years and having had to go out and 0:01:06.600 --> 0:01:09.520 sell two and fourteen and three and thirteen and four 0:01:09.520 --> 0:01:12.280 and twelve, you're hanging your hat on whomever you have. 0:01:12.760 --> 0:01:16.240 So I don't blame them for wanting to put Gardner 0:01:16.360 --> 0:01:20.000 Minshew up in the Jacksonville Airport I get it. The 0:01:20.040 --> 0:01:21.959 fact of the matter is what I'm getting to is 0:01:22.120 --> 0:01:24.760 Gardner Minshew's coming down pretty quick. Oh yeah, he may 0:01:24.800 --> 0:01:27.720 turn him into a Gardner. Yes, Gardner Minshew is coming 0:01:27.760 --> 0:01:32.880 down and everything. It's gonna be Trevor Lawrence, everything, even 0:01:32.920 --> 0:01:36.640 the James Robinson's you saw in there, it's down. He 0:01:36.800 --> 0:01:41.199 is going to be the face of this franchise from 0:01:41.200 --> 0:01:44.760 the start of their franchise. He now becomes the biggest 0:01:44.880 --> 0:01:48.480 name they've ever had. Yeah. Ever, and I'm talking about 0:01:48.520 --> 0:01:52.480 Brunelle and Jimmy Smith and Freddie Taylor and Maurice Jones. Yeah, 0:01:52.440 --> 0:01:54.200 because they've never had the number one pick to take 0:01:54.280 --> 0:01:56.760 up and they've never had this kind of dude. Right, 0:01:56.960 --> 0:01:58.680 do you think he's ready for that? I think the 0:01:58.760 --> 0:02:02.440 thing that he may not be ready for is losing. 0:02:02.800 --> 0:02:05.240 That's the thing I'd be concerned with. Because the young 0:02:05.280 --> 0:02:08.640 man lost three games in high school and two in college. 0:02:08.800 --> 0:02:12.280 That's it. Yeah, five losses between high school and college. 0:02:12.600 --> 0:02:15.639 And then you're going to a place that you come here, 0:02:15.680 --> 0:02:18.800 come here, you're okay, Well, let me flip it around 0:02:18.840 --> 0:02:21.040 in a different way for coach. Is it a good 0:02:21.080 --> 0:02:23.440 thing than that? He has been a prodigy since he 0:02:23.520 --> 0:02:28.160 was fourteen years old walking into this situation. Ali Tiger 0:02:28.200 --> 0:02:32.800 Woods or Peyton Manning or somebody of that ilk Lebron James. 0:02:32.919 --> 0:02:36.399 You know, you're talking about people who are built this way, 0:02:36.440 --> 0:02:39.120 who are supposed to be this great, and then because 0:02:39.120 --> 0:02:42.440 they've been prodigies, maybe they handle it better. Well, he 0:02:42.480 --> 0:02:44.440 will handle it better. Okay, we'll handle it better. And 0:02:44.440 --> 0:02:46.840 here's the other thing that'll happen too. They have positioned 0:02:46.880 --> 0:02:50.200 themselves because they've been so bad for so long, with 0:02:50.320 --> 0:02:54.079 so many top draft choices they still have, they will 0:02:54.080 --> 0:02:56.880 put better people around him. It's gonna be it's gonna 0:02:56.880 --> 0:03:01.400 be very competitive. Troy Aikman. When Jimmy took Troy Aikman, 0:03:02.000 --> 0:03:04.680 they went one in fifteen. That first year Troy had 0:03:04.680 --> 0:03:06.960 been at Oklahoma, he'd been at UCLA, he'd been used 0:03:06.960 --> 0:03:09.280 to win in a lot of games. They were really bad, 0:03:09.840 --> 0:03:14.440 really bad, but then they got really good because of him, 0:03:15.000 --> 0:03:17.399 and they added people at people around him. So here's 0:03:17.400 --> 0:03:20.280 what I'm saying. You've got to have that piece in 0:03:20.320 --> 0:03:23.280 the National Football League. You've got to have that dude, 0:03:23.480 --> 0:03:26.400 You've got to have a quarterback. Because you've heard me 0:03:26.440 --> 0:03:29.160 say it before. If you don't have a quarterback. You've 0:03:29.160 --> 0:03:32.720 got a highly paid rugby team, you've got to have 0:03:33.040 --> 0:03:35.560 a quarterback, and now they've got him one. Yeah. But 0:03:35.680 --> 0:03:39.440 here's the thing with the prodigy kind of analogy that 0:03:39.480 --> 0:03:42.920 Mike was talking about. He's also had a tremendous amount 0:03:42.960 --> 0:03:46.000 of consistency to go along with those wins. I mean, 0:03:46.040 --> 0:03:48.280 he had the same high school coach all the way through, 0:03:48.720 --> 0:03:51.760 same college coach all the way through. He's walking into 0:03:51.800 --> 0:03:56.120 an organization now that is experiencing what we'll call a 0:03:56.280 --> 0:03:59.120 little bit of a transition. I mean, a full new 0:03:59.160 --> 0:04:02.160 coaching staff. They've got a lot of different moving parts 0:04:02.200 --> 0:04:04.520 that are moving around. And in the NFL, you don't 0:04:04.560 --> 0:04:07.720 have that same level of consistency. You don't have guys 0:04:07.760 --> 0:04:10.320 around you for four years just because you're all the 0:04:10.360 --> 0:04:14.120 same age. You don't have coaches staying. Even if you 0:04:14.160 --> 0:04:18.360 are successful. Coaches change, there's so many things that change. 0:04:18.640 --> 0:04:21.240 And with all of the expectations that are being put 0:04:21.279 --> 0:04:25.080 on this young kid, now, is there a chance that 0:04:25.600 --> 0:04:27.719 he's going to be a little on his left foot 0:04:27.760 --> 0:04:30.640 for a while. I think it's possible, And you can't 0:04:30.720 --> 0:04:34.479 just ride on his past record and what he's done 0:04:34.520 --> 0:04:38.720 before hasn't been great. Yes, he's also been surrounded by 0:04:38.800 --> 0:04:41.520 a lot of stability that he's not going to have anymore. 0:04:41.680 --> 0:04:43.760 I want him on his left foot, it's great points. 0:04:43.760 --> 0:04:45.640 I want him on his left foot twice a year. 0:04:45.800 --> 0:04:48.280 I want him on his butt twice a year. I 0:04:48.279 --> 0:04:50.719 don't want him on either foot. I second all of 0:04:50.760 --> 0:04:53.680 those things. So we'll talk later this week on the 0:04:53.720 --> 0:04:57.919 OTP with Frank Frangie, the voice of the Jacksonville Jaguars, 0:04:57.960 --> 0:05:01.520 to discuss exactly what Trevor Lawrence is going to mean 0:05:01.560 --> 0:05:04.080 to this franchise. I think that'll be some good conversation. 0:05:04.160 --> 0:05:08.440 But right now, I want to talk of receivers. Dave McGinnis, 0:05:08.440 --> 0:05:11.559 why has Jamar Chase emerged as the number one wide 0:05:11.560 --> 0:05:14.720 receiver in the twenty twenty one NFL Draft. He possesses 0:05:14.720 --> 0:05:17.400 every trait that you want right now in a receiver. 0:05:18.000 --> 0:05:20.760 First of all, let's just get to his physical traits. 0:05:20.560 --> 0:05:26.279 He's a physical dude. Not extremely tall, but he's physical. 0:05:26.560 --> 0:05:29.560 He's a combat catcher. He's great at the glance in 0:05:29.640 --> 0:05:32.400 the quick slants that are so prevalent now because he 0:05:32.440 --> 0:05:34.520 can catch it, he can run through a second level. 0:05:34.720 --> 0:05:37.039 He can also take the top off of it. When 0:05:37.040 --> 0:05:39.559 he needs to, he can get on top of defensive backs. 0:05:39.720 --> 0:05:43.080 And he's a competitive dude, because most of your catches 0:05:43.080 --> 0:05:46.719 down the National Football League their combat catches, and you've 0:05:46.720 --> 0:05:48.840 got to have those kind of guys. He's got all 0:05:48.839 --> 0:05:51.559 the requisite skills that it takes, and he's produced over 0:05:51.600 --> 0:05:54.200 a period of time. He is the number one receiver 0:05:54.560 --> 0:05:58.560 in my humble opinion, in this draft. And I'll give 0:05:58.560 --> 0:06:01.360 you some of the numbers to back up what coach 0:06:01.440 --> 0:06:05.279 Mack is saying, because while his speed isn't Tyreek Hill, 0:06:06.040 --> 0:06:09.440 he's still pretty quick. It comes down to his play strength. 0:06:09.600 --> 0:06:12.680 When he's hand fighting with those dbs, he's a bully. 0:06:12.880 --> 0:06:17.120 He's physical. His run after a catch ability it's impressive. 0:06:17.160 --> 0:06:21.080 It's a J. Brownlike and he has that long speed, 0:06:21.200 --> 0:06:23.080 like he said, to take the top off the defense 0:06:23.360 --> 0:06:26.279 and to go with all that, a sick vertical leap 0:06:26.360 --> 0:06:30.719 for those combat catches forty one inches. The contested catches 0:06:30.760 --> 0:06:34.480 are usually his, and the production is there. Twenty one 0:06:34.560 --> 0:06:38.080 game started at LSU opted out in twenty twenty twenty 0:06:38.279 --> 0:06:41.920 three receiving touchdowns. I got a scenario for you, play 0:06:41.920 --> 0:06:43.760 a little game here. See what the three of you 0:06:43.800 --> 0:06:48.320 think of this scenario. The Atlanta Falcons are scheduled to 0:06:48.360 --> 0:06:51.280 pick at number four. Many people think they are going 0:06:51.360 --> 0:06:55.760 to take Kyle Pitts, the tight end from Florida. Here's 0:06:55.800 --> 0:07:00.240 my scenario. Tell me what you think. I say they 0:07:00.240 --> 0:07:05.520 take Jamar Chase and then they think about making a 0:07:05.800 --> 0:07:10.680 post June one cut of Julio Jones and saving the money. Well, 0:07:10.720 --> 0:07:13.400 you think, coach, they could do that. They absolutely could 0:07:13.400 --> 0:07:16.560 do that. I mean, that's not that's not far fetched, 0:07:16.960 --> 0:07:19.600 and you know, for real reasons, and they're in they've 0:07:19.640 --> 0:07:22.440 got money issues. Oh yeah, I mean our good friend 0:07:22.520 --> 0:07:25.520 Arthur Smith has got money issues down there. They do, 0:07:25.880 --> 0:07:30.400 that's not far fetched. Mike Keith, I propose another scenario, 0:07:31.080 --> 0:07:34.840 two different scenarios. One they take panasul as the tackle 0:07:34.920 --> 0:07:38.920 to tackle from Oregon to protect Matt Ryan going forward. 0:07:39.040 --> 0:07:41.720 But the one I think they really do, and the 0:07:41.760 --> 0:07:46.280 money trouble comes into this is trading down and trading 0:07:46.360 --> 0:07:49.280 down into the round somewhere in the low twenties before 0:07:49.320 --> 0:07:51.560 you get to the Titans, but certainly before you get 0:07:51.560 --> 0:07:54.120 to the Pittsburgh Steelers at twenty four. And you if 0:07:54.120 --> 0:07:56.680 you're Arthur Smith and you can talk Terry Fontno into 0:07:56.720 --> 0:07:59.840 doing this. You get yourself a guy like Naja Harris 0:08:00.240 --> 0:08:03.760 to duplicate some of what you've done here as an 0:08:03.760 --> 0:08:06.800 offensive coordinator with Derek Henry as a running back in 0:08:06.800 --> 0:08:09.080 this thing, because you don't have a runner. You need 0:08:09.120 --> 0:08:12.000 a running back in this thing. You still have some receivers, 0:08:12.000 --> 0:08:14.680 but you need a running back. I think that your 0:08:14.720 --> 0:08:18.040 scenario with the Falcons going after Jamar Chase makes a 0:08:18.080 --> 0:08:21.080 ton of sense because of the financial component and the 0:08:21.160 --> 0:08:24.960 Julio Jones think they were not happy with him last year. Yeah, 0:08:25.000 --> 0:08:28.239 it was not not happy with how he handled twenty twenty. 0:08:28.320 --> 0:08:31.960 So just a theory. Are you you're the next scenario question? 0:08:32.160 --> 0:08:35.040 All right? For the draft duo Ratt, We're starting with you. 0:08:35.120 --> 0:08:39.840 Who are your three three favorite edge rushers. I'm gonna 0:08:39.880 --> 0:08:44.439 give you guys that are I think value picks on down. 0:08:44.600 --> 0:08:47.559 I'm not talking first round here, and there's some guys 0:08:47.640 --> 0:08:50.800 I really like. One of them who is going to 0:08:50.880 --> 0:08:52.920 be a name that'll be called early on night two 0:08:52.960 --> 0:08:55.959 on Friday Night in the second round is Carlos Boogie 0:08:55.960 --> 0:09:00.560 Basham from Wake Forest. Boogie fifteen quarterback sacks, seven force 0:09:00.640 --> 0:09:04.319 fumbles over his last two years at Wake Forest. He 0:09:04.400 --> 0:09:07.880 has explosion measurables in this thing. He ran a four 0:09:08.280 --> 0:09:11.320 six four forty at his pro day at two hundred 0:09:11.280 --> 0:09:13.520 and seventy four pounds, and the reason I bring that 0:09:13.640 --> 0:09:17.040 up since the year two thousand, defensive lineman weighing more 0:09:17.080 --> 0:09:19.080 than two hundred and seventy pounds and running a sub 0:09:19.160 --> 0:09:25.040 four seventy forty include Miles Garrett, Everson Griffin, justin Houston, 0:09:25.360 --> 0:09:29.760 Mario Williams, and the best defender in the game, Aaron Donald. Well, 0:09:29.760 --> 0:09:32.280 those are good players. So he's number one. Give us 0:09:32.320 --> 0:09:36.319 two more. Peyton Turner. He's in treeing prospect out of Houston, 0:09:36.440 --> 0:09:38.880 and this is young man. He put on weight a 0:09:38.960 --> 0:09:41.320 year ago to try to take on a role as 0:09:41.360 --> 0:09:45.480 a bigger defensive lineman. Too sluggish, too much, dropped down 0:09:45.520 --> 0:09:48.760 to two seventy, and he is an enormous human being. 0:09:48.760 --> 0:09:51.319 At six to five, has an eighty five inch wingspan, 0:09:51.480 --> 0:09:54.000 thirty five and a half inch vertical leap. Did an 0:09:54.040 --> 0:09:57.520 impressive six point seven seconds in his three cone drill 0:09:57.840 --> 0:10:00.920 twenty three reps at two twenty five, showing explosion and 0:10:01.000 --> 0:10:06.000 short area quickness. He's developmental, but he is an athlete 0:10:06.320 --> 0:10:08.839 big time and the last one is a young man 0:10:08.960 --> 0:10:12.679 from Lifonia, Georgia like Kevin Bayard. And this man is 0:10:12.880 --> 0:10:16.360 Jordan Smith a B. And he was one of the 0:10:16.400 --> 0:10:19.559 guys that got in trouble in Florida, committed there and 0:10:20.080 --> 0:10:23.120 had a credit card scandal fraud deal, went to Butler 0:10:23.160 --> 0:10:26.640 Community College in Kansas and tore it up there, then 0:10:26.679 --> 0:10:30.959 transferred to U A B. Four forced fumbles in fourteen games, 0:10:31.000 --> 0:10:34.640 thirteen starts, First team all. I mean, he's just gotten 0:10:34.720 --> 0:10:38.480 numbers all over the place. Good motor, good burst. He 0:10:38.559 --> 0:10:41.960 could stand to add some functional strength in his lowers 0:10:42.040 --> 0:10:45.160 because he has a huge guy at six six, two 0:10:45.280 --> 0:10:48.559 hundred and fifty whatever pounds. I like all three of 0:10:48.600 --> 0:10:52.079 those guys, but Carlos Boogie Basham leads the way. Mac 0:10:52.240 --> 0:10:54.880 the most pure pass rusher. Now again, I'm not talking 0:10:54.880 --> 0:10:58.480 about anything off the field. I'm not talking about medicals. 0:10:58.600 --> 0:11:01.920 I'm not drafting players any more. I'm just watching traits 0:11:02.040 --> 0:11:06.160 on film. Okay, okay. Jalen Phillips, he's a complete pass rusher. 0:11:06.320 --> 0:11:09.280 He's got counter moves, he understands how to set people up. 0:11:09.559 --> 0:11:12.880 He can he can rush the passer. If you're asking 0:11:12.880 --> 0:11:15.400 me who can rush the passer in this draft, just 0:11:15.520 --> 0:11:18.520 pure pass rusher. I like Jalen Phillips. Now, was he 0:11:18.600 --> 0:11:20.960 the young man who started at use in La and 0:11:21.000 --> 0:11:23.960 then transferred to Miame of Florida. Yes, okay, yes, and 0:11:24.000 --> 0:11:26.400 so he's got other issues. But as I said, I'm 0:11:26.440 --> 0:11:29.120 not involved in issues. I'm just involved in traits. Go 0:11:29.200 --> 0:11:32.240 hit the quarterback, yeah, and that okay. I like Joe 0:11:32.280 --> 0:11:35.199 Tryon from Washington. This is a bigger guy six five, 0:11:35.240 --> 0:11:38.600 two hundred and sixty one pounds. Now, he needs technical work, 0:11:38.960 --> 0:11:42.000 but he has got size coming off the edge, and 0:11:42.040 --> 0:11:44.880 he can go speed to power. He's got some bend 0:11:44.960 --> 0:11:48.240 to him, but he can also I think once he'd learned, 0:11:48.240 --> 0:11:50.839 and I say technical work, he needs to learn how 0:11:50.840 --> 0:11:52.720 to how to you know, how to how to step, 0:11:52.720 --> 0:11:54.760 how to come off lower, all of those things that 0:11:54.800 --> 0:11:57.960 are that are real, you know, either learned traits or 0:11:58.000 --> 0:12:00.920 they're taught traits. But I like what he brings. Here's 0:12:00.960 --> 0:12:04.439 a guy that's not big but that just knows how 0:12:04.440 --> 0:12:08.320 to go get the quarterback. Is from Georgia. I just 0:12:08.400 --> 0:12:10.559 like the way he plays. He plays with a lot 0:12:10.600 --> 0:12:14.120 of motor. He's not tall, but he plays long. He's 0:12:14.160 --> 0:12:16.680 got a good reach, he's got long reach and he 0:12:16.800 --> 0:12:19.640 understands you know how to go, how to go get 0:12:19.720 --> 0:12:22.840 to a spot. And so those are three They're entirely three, 0:12:23.120 --> 0:12:26.200 entirely different guys, but those are the three l I 0:12:26.240 --> 0:12:28.680 want to ask a question about the three cone drill, 0:12:29.240 --> 0:12:34.520 because as we hear bench press, forty yard dash, all 0:12:34.559 --> 0:12:37.400 the different the vertical jump, the broad jump, all that stuff. 0:12:38.280 --> 0:12:40.560 As I've talked to football people and tried to learn 0:12:40.640 --> 0:12:43.400 things over the year, the three cone drill is the 0:12:43.440 --> 0:12:47.719 one that has consistently been something that has pointed out 0:12:47.760 --> 0:12:52.000 to me as maybe the most telling test of athleticism. 0:12:52.080 --> 0:12:54.800 Coach mac, what is the three cone drill? Where did 0:12:54.800 --> 0:12:57.439 it come from? And why is it so important in 0:12:57.520 --> 0:13:00.800 evaluating athleticism. First of all, the three co drill, the 0:13:00.880 --> 0:13:02.920 cones are set up and you've got to go around 0:13:02.920 --> 0:13:06.040 a series of three cones. You cannot touch the cones. 0:13:06.559 --> 0:13:09.480 And I'm gonna go back and say, we know who 0:13:09.559 --> 0:13:12.000 started it. It was c Obra cop long time oilers, 0:13:12.120 --> 0:13:15.160 Tight and Scout. You know, one of a really dear 0:13:15.200 --> 0:13:17.400 friend of all of us, really good friend of mine. 0:13:17.480 --> 0:13:20.280 Knew him for years. God bless rest his soul. But 0:13:20.840 --> 0:13:23.440 what it does, first of all, you hear me all 0:13:23.440 --> 0:13:26.800 the time talk about that that gumby bend. Can you bend? 0:13:26.880 --> 0:13:29.360 Can you bend? Off the inside? And it shows you that. 0:13:29.480 --> 0:13:33.360 Now this is for all positions, shows lower body flex. Okay, 0:13:33.400 --> 0:13:36.520 it also it also shows balance and then if you 0:13:36.640 --> 0:13:38.640 if if they set it up and run it correctly, 0:13:38.720 --> 0:13:41.000 c O used to get I've been to I can't 0:13:41.040 --> 0:13:42.839 count the number of pro days I've been to a 0:13:42.960 --> 0:13:46.000 CEO at different colleges. And if they had the three 0:13:46.040 --> 0:13:49.160 cone drills set up with cones that were too tall. 0:13:49.280 --> 0:13:51.760 He didn't like those little baby cones that look like 0:13:52.120 --> 0:13:53.840 the pup cup that you get when you go through 0:13:54.280 --> 0:13:57.200 Starbucks right now, he didn't didn't like that. And okay, 0:13:57.240 --> 0:13:58.800 they had to be they had to be the medium 0:13:58.880 --> 0:14:02.160 sized cone because the bigger cones, okay, because if you 0:14:02.240 --> 0:14:05.400 touch the cone, then the drill started over, all right, 0:14:05.559 --> 0:14:08.040 So he wanted the medium sized cones. And then he 0:14:08.120 --> 0:14:10.319 wanted them he wanted them set up, you know, in 0:14:10.640 --> 0:14:14.000 a precise manner so that you were running not only 0:14:14.160 --> 0:14:18.120 ninety degree angles, you were running forty five degree turns there. 0:14:18.160 --> 0:14:20.760 And there's a lot to it and what it shows 0:14:20.760 --> 0:14:22.920 you is and a good measure for it a skilled guy. 0:14:22.960 --> 0:14:25.080 If you've got a skilled guy that's running under seven 0:14:25.080 --> 0:14:27.880 seconds on the three cone, you got a dude. It 0:14:27.920 --> 0:14:29.680 doesn't mean he can play football, but at least you've 0:14:29.680 --> 0:14:31.920 got to do this. Got some lower body flex and 0:14:32.000 --> 0:14:36.360 can can change directions and can also stay in continuous motion. 0:14:36.880 --> 0:14:39.600 The game of football is a real short burst game. 0:14:39.880 --> 0:14:41.920 It's a short burst game, but it's got to be 0:14:42.000 --> 0:14:44.800 short burst in continuous motion. You don't start stop a 0:14:44.800 --> 0:14:48.160 lot in football, you just don't you know, you start 0:14:48.160 --> 0:14:51.960 stopping basketball, you stop a lot in baseball, you don't. 0:14:52.000 --> 0:14:55.400 You know. Football, Once you get an explosive movement, then 0:14:55.440 --> 0:14:58.040 you've got to keep continually moving. And it's a lower 0:14:58.080 --> 0:15:00.800 body game. What you surety? I mean, got these mister 0:15:00.880 --> 0:15:03.480 Americas out there and they can't play dead on the 0:15:03.520 --> 0:15:06.640 football field. And he got some dudes who I mean, 0:15:06.680 --> 0:15:08.880 you see those guys with those lower bodies, and you 0:15:09.120 --> 0:15:11.440 I mean, you'd like to see the athletic upper body 0:15:11.440 --> 0:15:14.240 guys too. Don't get me wrong, but it's a game 0:15:14.280 --> 0:15:18.240 of legs. Well, because it's again it's a short burst game, right, 0:15:18.280 --> 0:15:20.120 it's a it's a game of leverage, and it's a 0:15:20.160 --> 0:15:22.680 game of flexibility. You know, it's what it is. And 0:15:22.680 --> 0:15:25.280 then it's a game of when you get in space, 0:15:25.680 --> 0:15:27.280 not only in space. I mean we could go over 0:15:27.320 --> 0:15:29.880 this forever, but it's a game of length. It's a 0:15:29.960 --> 0:15:31.640 game of length. I mean you've got to have you 0:15:31.720 --> 0:15:33.640 got to have length as a defensive front player to 0:15:33.680 --> 0:15:35.440 be able to separate because you got to get off 0:15:35.520 --> 0:15:37.720 quick and then be able to move. You need length 0:15:37.760 --> 0:15:40.520 on the edges offensively, and then you need length to 0:15:40.560 --> 0:15:44.320 be able to win one on one downfield. So that's 0:15:44.360 --> 0:15:48.040 the three cone drill. But c O Brocado, who in 0:15:48.080 --> 0:15:49.680 my mind should be in the Hall of Fame for 0:15:49.760 --> 0:15:52.400 what he did for scouting in the National Football League, 0:15:52.480 --> 0:15:55.040 that was his drill. But he if you ever went 0:15:55.080 --> 0:15:58.240 to a school workout with Ceo, you did not touch 0:15:58.320 --> 0:16:01.280 the three cone drill because he would dog cush you. 0:16:01.320 --> 0:16:05.000 In a second, yes he wouldn't. Yeah, And so that's 0:16:05.000 --> 0:16:08.120 the three cone drill. Who is the player that is 0:16:08.120 --> 0:16:12.200 going to go higher in this draft. Then he is 0:16:12.240 --> 0:16:16.640 currently being projected in mock drafts in the days leading 0:16:16.720 --> 0:16:19.640 up to the twenty twenty one NFL Draft. Zaven Collins 0:16:19.680 --> 0:16:22.560 from Tulsa, who the more you look at him, I mean, 0:16:22.640 --> 0:16:25.480 here's here's a kid that is even bigger now. I 0:16:25.520 --> 0:16:27.960 think his last day was two seventy. He was two 0:16:28.000 --> 0:16:31.000 fifty at Tulsa. But this is a space athlete. We 0:16:31.000 --> 0:16:33.800 talk about space athletes, we talk about guys that have 0:16:34.000 --> 0:16:38.120 those those movement numbers. He's from Hominy, Oklahoma. So anybody 0:16:38.120 --> 0:16:40.480 here could pinpoint Hominy on a map. I'll give you 0:16:40.520 --> 0:16:43.400 five hundred dollar right now, and it's clear up in 0:16:43.440 --> 0:16:46.200 the northern part by eleven people in town. There'll be 0:16:46.240 --> 0:16:50.720 ten when he leaves. But this guy, this guy is 0:16:50.760 --> 0:16:53.600 an athlete. He is an athlete, and he is he's 0:16:53.720 --> 0:16:57.000 in today's football what you need because at that type 0:16:57.000 --> 0:16:59.520 of weight, I mean, he can play on the edge 0:16:59.640 --> 0:17:02.280 in a three four, you can move him around. I 0:17:02.280 --> 0:17:06.120 mean he is a he is a lot like if 0:17:06.160 --> 0:17:09.320 you want to stand him up behind the line, Tremaine Edmonds. 0:17:09.359 --> 0:17:12.080 He's like six nine, he's got a wingspan, but he 0:17:12.119 --> 0:17:15.159 can play in space, right, he can play in space. 0:17:15.200 --> 0:17:18.520 But he's got the physical size and length. And because 0:17:18.560 --> 0:17:21.480 he played at Tulsa, which you know, you know, not 0:17:21.680 --> 0:17:24.879 any disrespect to the Golden Hurricanes, but it's not a 0:17:24.920 --> 0:17:27.520 power of five school. And so what who he's played 0:17:27.520 --> 0:17:29.680 against now he's had some nice games against some Power 0:17:29.720 --> 0:17:33.399 of five schools, but I think that the more we 0:17:33.520 --> 0:17:35.400 get to it, and again, I you know, I've talked 0:17:35.520 --> 0:17:38.200 several you know, people involved in draft rooms, and I 0:17:38.240 --> 0:17:40.960 don't ask him specific questions because it's not fair because 0:17:41.760 --> 0:17:43.720 I wouldn't tell him if I was met doing that. 0:17:43.800 --> 0:17:46.080 So I know better than what to not ask. But 0:17:46.320 --> 0:17:48.720 the talk around him is and when you just start 0:17:48.760 --> 0:17:51.600 looking at him and what the game is today. Defensively, 0:17:51.760 --> 0:17:54.280 he's a nice piece rat. I'm gonna give you three 0:17:54.320 --> 0:17:58.560 guys that are moving up the board, and not necessarily 0:17:58.560 --> 0:18:02.520 on nine one, but one is Javonte Williams, the power 0:18:02.600 --> 0:18:05.240 running back from North Carolina. I think he's the third 0:18:05.320 --> 0:18:08.399 running back taken in this draft. And I don't you know, 0:18:08.680 --> 0:18:11.080 some mocks even show him, you know, bottom of the 0:18:11.119 --> 0:18:14.679 first round. Don't know that that happens. But he is 0:18:15.320 --> 0:18:20.040 a low, built to the ground, solid rock dude five nine, 0:18:20.080 --> 0:18:22.880 two hundred and twelve pounds who is a power rusher 0:18:22.880 --> 0:18:25.239 in this thing. Okay. The other is a guy who 0:18:25.320 --> 0:18:30.880 has an interesting story. He's a Louisiana native. He originally 0:18:30.920 --> 0:18:34.560 committed to LSU, got in trouble there, transferred to Kentucky, 0:18:34.640 --> 0:18:36.760 had one year as a starter, and that's Kelvin Joseph 0:18:36.760 --> 0:18:41.080 at cornerback. And this guy had an incredible Pro Day 0:18:41.480 --> 0:18:44.359 and has production in the one year. There are some 0:18:44.440 --> 0:18:46.920 scouts that think he has a first round grade had 0:18:46.960 --> 0:18:49.120 he not had the off field issues in this thing. 0:18:49.200 --> 0:18:52.119 He's a guy that's gonna rise on night too. And 0:18:52.119 --> 0:18:53.960 then the third one is an obvious one, and that's 0:18:54.040 --> 0:18:57.680 Davis Mills, the quarterback from Stanford, and Davis is a 0:18:57.960 --> 0:19:01.359 season and a half starters, a bad knee that I 0:19:01.600 --> 0:19:03.639 don't know about the medicals on this thing, but he's 0:19:03.680 --> 0:19:07.359 a Georgian native who played at Stanford, and he starts 0:19:07.400 --> 0:19:10.399 the next tier of quarterbacks after the five that we 0:19:10.440 --> 0:19:12.359 think will be taken in the first round. All Right, 0:19:12.440 --> 0:19:15.560 Rhett seems to know the depth of this draft really well. 0:19:15.560 --> 0:19:18.200 So let me give you another one. If we're assuming 0:19:18.240 --> 0:19:21.639 Patrick certain is the first cornerback to come off of 0:19:21.640 --> 0:19:24.680 the board, who do we think is the second? Right? 0:19:25.080 --> 0:19:27.400 I think if you're asking coach Mack the same question, 0:19:27.400 --> 0:19:28.800 he and I are going to have the same answer, 0:19:28.800 --> 0:19:31.560 and that would be JC Horn from South Carolina. He 0:19:31.760 --> 0:19:34.240 is just a shade over six feet two hundred and 0:19:34.240 --> 0:19:38.160 five pounds. All of his measurables, including a forty one 0:19:38.160 --> 0:19:40.760 and a half inch vertical and a broad jump of 0:19:40.800 --> 0:19:43.000 eleven plus feet at his pro day, are in the 0:19:43.119 --> 0:19:49.359 ninety sixth percentile of cornerbacks in draft evaluation. Big physical, 0:19:49.680 --> 0:19:54.360 long guy, thirty three inch long arms, who is just 0:19:54.440 --> 0:19:57.520 a super physical guy. Like a lot of young corners 0:19:57.560 --> 0:20:01.119 coming out. He's a bit two, sticky and grabby. I 0:20:01.119 --> 0:20:03.439 think he's got some things to work on that. But 0:20:03.480 --> 0:20:05.879 if Sir Tan is gone and I'm a team that 0:20:05.920 --> 0:20:10.240 wants a next cornerback, it's Jac Horn from South Carolina. Yes, 0:20:11.560 --> 0:20:13.960 I mean that, what's true? I mean it is now. 0:20:14.119 --> 0:20:18.359 I mean we get into the Caleb Farley, you know conversation, 0:20:19.080 --> 0:20:21.560 but we're talking about the Virginia Tech. Yeah, we're talking 0:20:21.600 --> 0:20:24.720 about the draft now. If you want a healthy dude 0:20:24.800 --> 0:20:27.280 right now, it's JC Horn. And the best thing that 0:20:27.320 --> 0:20:29.399 he does. Red has gone through a lot of his traits, 0:20:29.760 --> 0:20:32.240 but the best thing that he does we talk about 0:20:32.240 --> 0:20:35.520 these combat catchers. He is tremendous at the catch point 0:20:35.680 --> 0:20:38.520 because he's got the vertical, he's got the length, and 0:20:38.600 --> 0:20:41.639 he's got he can stay in phase. He's an in 0:20:41.800 --> 0:20:45.200 phase corner. There are some corners that are ketchup corners, 0:20:45.240 --> 0:20:48.280 there are some corners that are immediate jump corners, and 0:20:48.320 --> 0:20:51.360 then there are some in phase corners. This is an 0:20:51.400 --> 0:20:54.400 in phase dude that is really good at the catch point. 0:20:54.720 --> 0:20:58.520 So third corner taken? Is it Caleb Farley from Virginia Tech? 0:20:58.920 --> 0:21:02.760 Or is it Greg Newsoon from Northwestern? Am I drafting? Yes? Yes, 0:21:02.960 --> 0:21:05.720 I'm taking Greg Newsom from Northwestern. You're worried about the 0:21:05.720 --> 0:21:09.040 back I am again. I dropped out of medical school 0:21:09.080 --> 0:21:11.480 after once a year because it was way too easy. 0:21:11.720 --> 0:21:15.520 But this, you know, Caleb Farley is a wonderful prospect 0:21:15.720 --> 0:21:17.520 from what I know. Again, as I said, I don't 0:21:17.520 --> 0:21:20.760 do medicals anymore, I'm not ding. But this is not 0:21:20.840 --> 0:21:22.960 the only issue he's had. He's got a little history. 0:21:23.119 --> 0:21:26.000 But Newsom has a history too. Yes he does. Newsom 0:21:26.040 --> 0:21:29.400 miss thirteen games over three years, but he's still he 0:21:29.480 --> 0:21:33.960