1 00:00:10,400 --> 00:00:13,760 Speaker 1: This is the OTP presented by Farm Bureau Health Plans. 2 00:00:13,800 --> 00:00:16,760 Speaker 1: Don't get sacked by the high cost of healthcare. Make 3 00:00:16,800 --> 00:00:20,279 Speaker 1: Farm Bureau Health Plans your first line of protection. They've 4 00:00:20,280 --> 00:00:24,439 Speaker 1: been protecting Tennessee and since nineteen forty seven, Mike Keith 5 00:00:24,480 --> 00:00:27,800 Speaker 1: and Amy Wells with our Titans radio draft duo of 6 00:00:27,960 --> 00:00:32,360 Speaker 1: Rhett Bryan and coach Dave McGinnis, let's dive right into 7 00:00:32,400 --> 00:00:36,400 Speaker 1: some of the big draft topics. Recently, I went to 8 00:00:36,440 --> 00:00:40,440 Speaker 1: a wedding in Florida, and going through the Jacksonville Airport, 9 00:00:41,080 --> 00:00:44,680 Speaker 1: I saw the murals on the wall of all the 10 00:00:44,720 --> 00:00:49,199 Speaker 1: current Jags players and the Garner Menshew mural picture whatever. 11 00:00:50,680 --> 00:00:53,920 Speaker 1: I mean. It is funny because they put so much 12 00:00:53,960 --> 00:00:57,560 Speaker 1: in the mustache and Garner Menshew and whatever. But here's 13 00:00:57,560 --> 00:01:00,960 Speaker 1: the thing, Ratt, they needed somebody to hang their hat on. 14 00:01:01,520 --> 00:01:03,800 Speaker 1: And as somebody who's worked for an NFL team for 15 00:01:03,840 --> 00:01:06,560 Speaker 1: twenty three years and having had to go out and 16 00:01:06,600 --> 00:01:09,520 Speaker 1: sell two and fourteen and three and thirteen and four 17 00:01:09,520 --> 00:01:12,280 Speaker 1: and twelve, you're hanging your hat on whomever you have. 18 00:01:12,760 --> 00:01:16,240 Speaker 1: So I don't blame them for wanting to put Gardner 19 00:01:16,360 --> 00:01:20,000 Speaker 1: Minshew up in the Jacksonville Airport I get it. The 20 00:01:20,040 --> 00:01:21,959 Speaker 1: fact of the matter is what I'm getting to is 21 00:01:22,120 --> 00:01:24,760 Speaker 1: Gardner Minshew's coming down pretty quick. Oh yeah, he may 22 00:01:24,800 --> 00:01:27,720 Speaker 1: turn him into a Gardner. Yes, Gardner Minshew is coming 23 00:01:27,760 --> 00:01:32,880 Speaker 1: down and everything. It's gonna be Trevor Lawrence, everything, even 24 00:01:32,920 --> 00:01:36,640 Speaker 1: the James Robinson's you saw in there, it's down. He 25 00:01:36,800 --> 00:01:41,199 Speaker 1: is going to be the face of this franchise from 26 00:01:41,200 --> 00:01:44,760 Speaker 1: the start of their franchise. He now becomes the biggest 27 00:01:44,880 --> 00:01:48,480 Speaker 1: name they've ever had. Yeah. Ever, and I'm talking about 28 00:01:48,520 --> 00:01:52,480 Speaker 1: Brunelle and Jimmy Smith and Freddie Taylor and Maurice Jones. Yeah, 29 00:01:52,440 --> 00:01:54,200 Speaker 1: because they've never had the number one pick to take 30 00:01:54,280 --> 00:01:56,760 Speaker 1: up and they've never had this kind of dude. Right, 31 00:01:56,960 --> 00:01:58,680 Speaker 1: do you think he's ready for that? I think the 32 00:01:58,760 --> 00:02:02,440 Speaker 1: thing that he may not be ready for is losing. 33 00:02:02,800 --> 00:02:05,240 Speaker 1: That's the thing I'd be concerned with. Because the young 34 00:02:05,280 --> 00:02:08,640 Speaker 1: man lost three games in high school and two in college. 35 00:02:08,800 --> 00:02:12,280 Speaker 1: That's it. Yeah, five losses between high school and college. 36 00:02:12,600 --> 00:02:15,639 Speaker 1: And then you're going to a place that you come here, 37 00:02:15,680 --> 00:02:18,800 Speaker 1: come here, you're okay, Well, let me flip it around 38 00:02:18,840 --> 00:02:21,040 Speaker 1: in a different way for coach. Is it a good 39 00:02:21,080 --> 00:02:23,440 Speaker 1: thing than that? He has been a prodigy since he 40 00:02:23,520 --> 00:02:28,160 Speaker 1: was fourteen years old walking into this situation. Ali Tiger 41 00:02:28,200 --> 00:02:32,800 Speaker 1: Woods or Peyton Manning or somebody of that ilk Lebron James. 42 00:02:32,919 --> 00:02:36,399 Speaker 1: You know, you're talking about people who are built this way, 43 00:02:36,440 --> 00:02:39,120 Speaker 1: who are supposed to be this great, and then because 44 00:02:39,120 --> 00:02:42,440 Speaker 1: they've been prodigies, maybe they handle it better. Well, he 45 00:02:42,480 --> 00:02:44,440 Speaker 1: will handle it better. Okay, we'll handle it better. And 46 00:02:44,440 --> 00:02:46,840 Speaker 1: here's the other thing that'll happen too. They have positioned 47 00:02:46,880 --> 00:02:50,200 Speaker 1: themselves because they've been so bad for so long, with 48 00:02:50,320 --> 00:02:54,079 Speaker 1: so many top draft choices they still have, they will 49 00:02:54,080 --> 00:02:56,880 Speaker 1: put better people around him. It's gonna be it's gonna 50 00:02:56,880 --> 00:03:01,400 Speaker 1: be very competitive. Troy Aikman. When Jimmy took Troy Aikman, 51 00:03:02,000 --> 00:03:04,680 Speaker 1: they went one in fifteen. That first year Troy had 52 00:03:04,680 --> 00:03:06,960 Speaker 1: been at Oklahoma, he'd been at UCLA, he'd been used 53 00:03:06,960 --> 00:03:09,280 Speaker 1: to win in a lot of games. They were really bad, 54 00:03:09,840 --> 00:03:14,440 Speaker 1: really bad, but then they got really good because of him, 55 00:03:15,000 --> 00:03:17,399 Speaker 1: and they added people at people around him. So here's 56 00:03:17,400 --> 00:03:20,280 Speaker 1: what I'm saying. You've got to have that piece in 57 00:03:20,320 --> 00:03:23,280 Speaker 1: the National Football League. You've got to have that dude, 58 00:03:23,480 --> 00:03:26,400 Speaker 1: You've got to have a quarterback. Because you've heard me 59 00:03:26,440 --> 00:03:29,160 Speaker 1: say it before. If you don't have a quarterback. You've 60 00:03:29,160 --> 00:03:32,720 Speaker 1: got a highly paid rugby team, you've got to have 61 00:03:33,040 --> 00:03:35,560 Speaker 1: a quarterback, and now they've got him one. Yeah. But 62 00:03:35,680 --> 00:03:39,440 Speaker 1: here's the thing with the prodigy kind of analogy that 63 00:03:39,480 --> 00:03:42,920 Speaker 1: Mike was talking about. He's also had a tremendous amount 64 00:03:42,960 --> 00:03:46,000 Speaker 1: of consistency to go along with those wins. I mean, 65 00:03:46,040 --> 00:03:48,280 Speaker 1: he had the same high school coach all the way through, 66 00:03:48,720 --> 00:03:51,760 Speaker 1: same college coach all the way through. He's walking into 67 00:03:51,800 --> 00:03:56,120 Speaker 1: an organization now that is experiencing what we'll call a 68 00:03:56,280 --> 00:03:59,120 Speaker 1: little bit of a transition. I mean, a full new 69 00:03:59,160 --> 00:04:02,160 Speaker 1: coaching staff. They've got a lot of different moving parts 70 00:04:02,200 --> 00:04:04,520 Speaker 1: that are moving around. And in the NFL, you don't 71 00:04:04,560 --> 00:04:07,720 Speaker 1: have that same level of consistency. You don't have guys 72 00:04:07,760 --> 00:04:10,320 Speaker 1: around you for four years just because you're all the 73 00:04:10,360 --> 00:04:14,120 Speaker 1: same age. You don't have coaches staying. Even if you 74 00:04:14,160 --> 00:04:18,360 Speaker 1: are successful. Coaches change, there's so many things that change. 75 00:04:18,640 --> 00:04:21,240 Speaker 1: And with all of the expectations that are being put 76 00:04:21,279 --> 00:04:25,080 Speaker 1: on this young kid, now, is there a chance that 77 00:04:25,600 --> 00:04:27,719 Speaker 1: he's going to be a little on his left foot 78 00:04:27,760 --> 00:04:30,640 Speaker 1: for a while. I think it's possible, And you can't 79 00:04:30,720 --> 00:04:34,479 Speaker 1: just ride on his past record and what he's done 80 00:04:34,520 --> 00:04:38,720 Speaker 1: before hasn't been great. Yes, he's also been surrounded by 81 00:04:38,800 --> 00:04:41,520 Speaker 1: a lot of stability that he's not going to have anymore. 82 00:04:41,680 --> 00:04:43,760 Speaker 1: I want him on his left foot, it's great points. 83 00:04:43,760 --> 00:04:45,640 Speaker 1: I want him on his left foot twice a year. 84 00:04:45,800 --> 00:04:48,280 Speaker 1: I want him on his butt twice a year. I 85 00:04:48,279 --> 00:04:50,719 Speaker 1: don't want him on either foot. I second all of 86 00:04:50,760 --> 00:04:53,680 Speaker 1: those things. So we'll talk later this week on the 87 00:04:53,720 --> 00:04:57,919 Speaker 1: OTP with Frank Frangie, the voice of the Jacksonville Jaguars, 88 00:04:57,960 --> 00:05:01,520 Speaker 1: to discuss exactly what Trevor Lawrence is going to mean 89 00:05:01,560 --> 00:05:04,080 Speaker 1: to this franchise. I think that'll be some good conversation. 90 00:05:04,160 --> 00:05:08,440 Speaker 1: But right now, I want to talk of receivers. Dave McGinnis, 91 00:05:08,440 --> 00:05:11,559 Speaker 1: why has Jamar Chase emerged as the number one wide 92 00:05:11,560 --> 00:05:14,720 Speaker 1: receiver in the twenty twenty one NFL Draft. He possesses 93 00:05:14,720 --> 00:05:17,400 Speaker 1: every trait that you want right now in a receiver. 94 00:05:18,000 --> 00:05:20,760 Speaker 1: First of all, let's just get to his physical traits. 95 00:05:20,560 --> 00:05:26,279 Speaker 1: He's a physical dude. Not extremely tall, but he's physical. 96 00:05:26,560 --> 00:05:29,560 Speaker 1: He's a combat catcher. He's great at the glance in 97 00:05:29,640 --> 00:05:32,400 Speaker 1: the quick slants that are so prevalent now because he 98 00:05:32,440 --> 00:05:34,520 Speaker 1: can catch it, he can run through a second level. 99 00:05:34,720 --> 00:05:37,039 Speaker 1: He can also take the top off of it. When 100 00:05:37,040 --> 00:05:39,559 Speaker 1: he needs to, he can get on top of defensive backs. 101 00:05:39,720 --> 00:05:43,080 Speaker 1: And he's a competitive dude, because most of your catches 102 00:05:43,080 --> 00:05:46,719 Speaker 1: down the National Football League their combat catches, and you've 103 00:05:46,720 --> 00:05:48,840 Speaker 1: got to have those kind of guys. He's got all 104 00:05:48,839 --> 00:05:51,559 Speaker 1: the requisite skills that it takes, and he's produced over 105 00:05:51,600 --> 00:05:54,200 Speaker 1: a period of time. He is the number one receiver 106 00:05:54,560 --> 00:05:58,560 Speaker 1: in my humble opinion, in this draft. And I'll give 107 00:05:58,560 --> 00:06:01,360 Speaker 1: you some of the numbers to back up what coach 108 00:06:01,440 --> 00:06:05,279 Speaker 1: Mack is saying, because while his speed isn't Tyreek Hill, 109 00:06:06,040 --> 00:06:09,440 Speaker 1: he's still pretty quick. It comes down to his play strength. 110 00:06:09,600 --> 00:06:12,680 Speaker 1: When he's hand fighting with those dbs, he's a bully. 111 00:06:12,880 --> 00:06:17,120 Speaker 1: He's physical. His run after a catch ability it's impressive. 112 00:06:17,160 --> 00:06:21,080 Speaker 1: It's a J. Brownlike and he has that long speed, 113 00:06:21,200 --> 00:06:23,080 Speaker 1: like he said, to take the top off the defense 114 00:06:23,360 --> 00:06:26,279 Speaker 1: and to go with all that, a sick vertical leap 115 00:06:26,360 --> 00:06:30,719 Speaker 1: for those combat catches forty one inches. The contested catches 116 00:06:30,760 --> 00:06:34,480 Speaker 1: are usually his, and the production is there. Twenty one 117 00:06:34,560 --> 00:06:38,080 Speaker 1: game started at LSU opted out in twenty twenty twenty 118 00:06:38,279 --> 00:06:41,920 Speaker 1: three receiving touchdowns. I got a scenario for you, play 119 00:06:41,920 --> 00:06:43,760 Speaker 1: a little game here. See what the three of you 120 00:06:43,800 --> 00:06:48,320 Speaker 1: think of this scenario. The Atlanta Falcons are scheduled to 121 00:06:48,360 --> 00:06:51,280 Speaker 1: pick at number four. Many people think they are going 122 00:06:51,360 --> 00:06:55,760 Speaker 1: to take Kyle Pitts, the tight end from Florida. Here's 123 00:06:55,800 --> 00:07:00,240 Speaker 1: my scenario. Tell me what you think. I say they 124 00:07:00,240 --> 00:07:05,520 Speaker 1: take Jamar Chase and then they think about making a 125 00:07:05,800 --> 00:07:10,680 Speaker 1: post June one cut of Julio Jones and saving the money. Well, 126 00:07:10,720 --> 00:07:13,400 Speaker 1: you think, coach, they could do that. They absolutely could 127 00:07:13,400 --> 00:07:16,560 Speaker 1: do that. I mean, that's not that's not far fetched, 128 00:07:16,960 --> 00:07:19,600 Speaker 1: and you know, for real reasons, and they're in they've 129 00:07:19,640 --> 00:07:22,440 Speaker 1: got money issues. Oh yeah, I mean our good friend 130 00:07:22,520 --> 00:07:25,520 Speaker 1: Arthur Smith has got money issues down there. They do, 131 00:07:25,880 --> 00:07:30,400 Speaker 1: that's not far fetched. Mike Keith, I propose another scenario, 132 00:07:31,080 --> 00:07:34,840 Speaker 1: two different scenarios. One they take panasul as the tackle 133 00:07:34,920 --> 00:07:38,920 Speaker 1: to tackle from Oregon to protect Matt Ryan going forward. 134 00:07:39,040 --> 00:07:41,720 Speaker 1: But the one I think they really do, and the 135 00:07:41,760 --> 00:07:46,280 Speaker 1: money trouble comes into this is trading down and trading 136 00:07:46,360 --> 00:07:49,280 Speaker 1: down into the round somewhere in the low twenties before 137 00:07:49,320 --> 00:07:51,560 Speaker 1: you get to the Titans, but certainly before you get 138 00:07:51,560 --> 00:07:54,120 Speaker 1: to the Pittsburgh Steelers at twenty four. And you if 139 00:07:54,120 --> 00:07:56,680 Speaker 1: you're Arthur Smith and you can talk Terry Fontno into 140 00:07:56,720 --> 00:07:59,840 Speaker 1: doing this. You get yourself a guy like Naja Harris 141 00:08:00,240 --> 00:08:03,760 Speaker 1: to duplicate some of what you've done here as an 142 00:08:03,760 --> 00:08:06,800 Speaker 1: offensive coordinator with Derek Henry as a running back in 143 00:08:06,800 --> 00:08:09,080 Speaker 1: this thing, because you don't have a runner. You need 144 00:08:09,120 --> 00:08:12,000 Speaker 1: a running back in this thing. You still have some receivers, 145 00:08:12,000 --> 00:08:14,680 Speaker 1: but you need a running back. I think that your 146 00:08:14,720 --> 00:08:18,040 Speaker 1: scenario with the Falcons going after Jamar Chase makes a 147 00:08:18,080 --> 00:08:21,080 Speaker 1: ton of sense because of the financial component and the 148 00:08:21,160 --> 00:08:24,960 Speaker 1: Julio Jones think they were not happy with him last year. Yeah, 149 00:08:25,000 --> 00:08:28,239 Speaker 1: it was not not happy with how he handled twenty twenty. 150 00:08:28,320 --> 00:08:31,960 Speaker 1: So just a theory. Are you you're the next scenario question? 151 00:08:32,160 --> 00:08:35,040 Speaker 1: All right? For the draft duo Ratt, We're starting with you. 152 00:08:35,120 --> 00:08:39,840 Speaker 1: Who are your three three favorite edge rushers. I'm gonna 153 00:08:39,880 --> 00:08:44,439 Speaker 1: give you guys that are I think value picks on down. 154 00:08:44,600 --> 00:08:47,559 Speaker 1: I'm not talking first round here, and there's some guys 155 00:08:47,640 --> 00:08:50,800 Speaker 1: I really like. One of them who is going to 156 00:08:50,880 --> 00:08:52,920 Speaker 1: be a name that'll be called early on night two 157 00:08:52,960 --> 00:08:55,959 Speaker 1: on Friday Night in the second round is Carlos Boogie 158 00:08:55,960 --> 00:09:00,560 Speaker 1: Basham from Wake Forest. Boogie fifteen quarterback sacks, seven force 159 00:09:00,640 --> 00:09:04,319 Speaker 1: fumbles over his last two years at Wake Forest. He 160 00:09:04,400 --> 00:09:07,880 Speaker 1: has explosion measurables in this thing. He ran a four 161 00:09:08,280 --> 00:09:11,320 Speaker 1: six four forty at his pro day at two hundred 162 00:09:11,280 --> 00:09:13,520 Speaker 1: and seventy four pounds, and the reason I bring that 163 00:09:13,640 --> 00:09:17,040 Speaker 1: up since the year two thousand, defensive lineman weighing more 164 00:09:17,080 --> 00:09:19,080 Speaker 1: than two hundred and seventy pounds and running a sub 165 00:09:19,160 --> 00:09:25,040 Speaker 1: four seventy forty include Miles Garrett, Everson Griffin, justin Houston, 166 00:09:25,360 --> 00:09:29,760 Speaker 1: Mario Williams, and the best defender in the game, Aaron Donald. Well, 167 00:09:29,760 --> 00:09:32,280 Speaker 1: those are good players. So he's number one. Give us 168 00:09:32,320 --> 00:09:36,319 Speaker 1: two more. Peyton Turner. He's in treeing prospect out of Houston, 169 00:09:36,440 --> 00:09:38,880 Speaker 1: and this is young man. He put on weight a 170 00:09:38,960 --> 00:09:41,320 Speaker 1: year ago to try to take on a role as 171 00:09:41,360 --> 00:09:45,480 Speaker 1: a bigger defensive lineman. Too sluggish, too much, dropped down 172 00:09:45,520 --> 00:09:48,760 Speaker 1: to two seventy, and he is an enormous human being. 173 00:09:48,760 --> 00:09:51,319 Speaker 1: At six to five, has an eighty five inch wingspan, 174 00:09:51,480 --> 00:09:54,000 Speaker 1: thirty five and a half inch vertical leap. Did an 175 00:09:54,040 --> 00:09:57,520 Speaker 1: impressive six point seven seconds in his three cone drill 176 00:09:57,840 --> 00:10:00,920 Speaker 1: twenty three reps at two twenty five, showing explosion and 177 00:10:01,000 --> 00:10:06,000 Speaker 1: short area quickness. He's developmental, but he is an athlete 178 00:10:06,320 --> 00:10:08,839 Speaker 1: big time and the last one is a young man 179 00:10:08,960 --> 00:10:12,679 Speaker 1: from Lifonia, Georgia like Kevin Bayard. And this man is 180 00:10:12,880 --> 00:10:16,360 Speaker 1: Jordan Smith a B. And he was one of the 181 00:10:16,400 --> 00:10:19,559 Speaker 1: guys that got in trouble in Florida, committed there and 182 00:10:20,080 --> 00:10:23,120 Speaker 1: had a credit card scandal fraud deal, went to Butler 183 00:10:23,160 --> 00:10:26,640 Speaker 1: Community College in Kansas and tore it up there, then 184 00:10:26,679 --> 00:10:30,959 Speaker 1: transferred to U A B. Four forced fumbles in fourteen games, 185 00:10:31,000 --> 00:10:34,640 Speaker 1: thirteen starts, First team all. I mean, he's just gotten 186 00:10:34,720 --> 00:10:38,480 Speaker 1: numbers all over the place. Good motor, good burst. He 187 00:10:38,559 --> 00:10:41,960 Speaker 1: could stand to add some functional strength in his lowers 188 00:10:42,040 --> 00:10:45,160 Speaker 1: because he has a huge guy at six six, two 189 00:10:45,280 --> 00:10:48,559 Speaker 1: hundred and fifty whatever pounds. I like all three of 190 00:10:48,600 --> 00:10:52,079 Speaker 1: those guys, but Carlos Boogie Basham leads the way. Mac 191 00:10:52,240 --> 00:10:54,880 Speaker 1: the most pure pass rusher. Now again, I'm not talking 192 00:10:54,880 --> 00:10:58,480 Speaker 1: about anything off the field. I'm not talking about medicals. 193 00:10:58,600 --> 00:11:01,920 Speaker 1: I'm not drafting players any more. I'm just watching traits 194 00:11:02,040 --> 00:11:06,160 Speaker 1: on film. Okay, okay. Jalen Phillips, he's a complete pass rusher. 195 00:11:06,320 --> 00:11:09,280 Speaker 1: He's got counter moves, he understands how to set people up. 196 00:11:09,559 --> 00:11:12,880 Speaker 1: He can he can rush the passer. If you're asking 197 00:11:12,880 --> 00:11:15,400 Speaker 1: me who can rush the passer in this draft, just 198 00:11:15,520 --> 00:11:18,520 Speaker 1: pure pass rusher. I like Jalen Phillips. Now, was he 199 00:11:18,600 --> 00:11:20,960 Speaker 1: the young man who started at use in La and 200 00:11:21,000 --> 00:11:23,960 Speaker 1: then transferred to Miame of Florida. Yes, okay, yes, and 201 00:11:24,000 --> 00:11:26,400 Speaker 1: so he's got other issues. But as I said, I'm 202 00:11:26,440 --> 00:11:29,120 Speaker 1: not involved in issues. I'm just involved in traits. Go 203 00:11:29,200 --> 00:11:32,240 Speaker 1: hit the quarterback, yeah, and that okay. I like Joe 204 00:11:32,280 --> 00:11:35,199 Speaker 1: Tryon from Washington. This is a bigger guy six five, 205 00:11:35,240 --> 00:11:38,600 Speaker 1: two hundred and sixty one pounds. Now, he needs technical work, 206 00:11:38,960 --> 00:11:42,000 Speaker 1: but he has got size coming off the edge, and 207 00:11:42,040 --> 00:11:44,880 Speaker 1: he can go speed to power. He's got some bend 208 00:11:44,960 --> 00:11:48,240 Speaker 1: to him, but he can also I think once he'd learned, 209 00:11:48,240 --> 00:11:50,839 Speaker 1: and I say technical work, he needs to learn how 210 00:11:50,840 --> 00:11:52,720 Speaker 1: to how to you know, how to how to step, 211 00:11:52,720 --> 00:11:54,760 Speaker 1: how to come off lower, all of those things that 212 00:11:54,800 --> 00:11:57,960 Speaker 1: are that are real, you know, either learned traits or 213 00:11:58,000 --> 00:12:00,920 Speaker 1: they're taught traits. But I like what he brings. Here's 214 00:12:00,960 --> 00:12:04,439 Speaker 1: a guy that's not big but that just knows how 215 00:12:04,440 --> 00:12:08,320 Speaker 1: to go get the quarterback. Is from Georgia. I just 216 00:12:08,400 --> 00:12:10,559 Speaker 1: like the way he plays. He plays with a lot 217 00:12:10,600 --> 00:12:14,120 Speaker 1: of motor. He's not tall, but he plays long. He's 218 00:12:14,160 --> 00:12:16,680 Speaker 1: got a good reach, he's got long reach and he 219 00:12:16,800 --> 00:12:19,640 Speaker 1: understands you know how to go, how to go get 220 00:12:19,720 --> 00:12:22,840 Speaker 1: to a spot. And so those are three They're entirely three, 221 00:12:23,120 --> 00:12:26,200 Speaker 1: entirely different guys, but those are the three l I 222 00:12:26,240 --> 00:12:28,680 Speaker 1: want to ask a question about the three cone drill, 223 00:12:29,240 --> 00:12:34,520 Speaker 1: because as we hear bench press, forty yard dash, all 224 00:12:34,559 --> 00:12:37,400 Speaker 1: the different the vertical jump, the broad jump, all that stuff. 225 00:12:38,280 --> 00:12:40,560 Speaker 1: As I've talked to football people and tried to learn 226 00:12:40,640 --> 00:12:43,400 Speaker 1: things over the year, the three cone drill is the 227 00:12:43,440 --> 00:12:47,719 Speaker 1: one that has consistently been something that has pointed out 228 00:12:47,760 --> 00:12:52,000 Speaker 1: to me as maybe the most telling test of athleticism. 229 00:12:52,080 --> 00:12:54,800 Speaker 1: Coach mac, what is the three cone drill? Where did 230 00:12:54,800 --> 00:12:57,439 Speaker 1: it come from? And why is it so important in 231 00:12:57,520 --> 00:13:00,800 Speaker 1: evaluating athleticism. First of all, the three co drill, the 232 00:13:00,880 --> 00:13:02,920 Speaker 1: cones are set up and you've got to go around 233 00:13:02,920 --> 00:13:06,040 Speaker 1: a series of three cones. You cannot touch the cones. 234 00:13:06,559 --> 00:13:09,480 Speaker 1: And I'm gonna go back and say, we know who 235 00:13:09,559 --> 00:13:12,000 Speaker 1: started it. It was c Obra cop long time oilers, 236 00:13:12,120 --> 00:13:15,160 Speaker 1: Tight and Scout. You know, one of a really dear 237 00:13:15,200 --> 00:13:17,400 Speaker 1: friend of all of us, really good friend of mine. 238 00:13:17,480 --> 00:13:20,280 Speaker 1: Knew him for years. God bless rest his soul. But 239 00:13:20,840 --> 00:13:23,440 Speaker 1: what it does, first of all, you hear me all 240 00:13:23,440 --> 00:13:26,800 Speaker 1: the time talk about that that gumby bend. Can you bend? 241 00:13:26,880 --> 00:13:29,360 Speaker 1: Can you bend? Off the inside? And it shows you that. 242 00:13:29,480 --> 00:13:33,360 Speaker 1: Now this is for all positions, shows lower body flex. Okay, 243 00:13:33,400 --> 00:13:36,520 Speaker 1: it also it also shows balance and then if you 244 00:13:36,640 --> 00:13:38,640 Speaker 1: if if they set it up and run it correctly, 245 00:13:38,720 --> 00:13:41,000 Speaker 1: c O used to get I've been to I can't 246 00:13:41,040 --> 00:13:42,839 Speaker 1: count the number of pro days I've been to a 247 00:13:42,960 --> 00:13:46,000 Speaker 1: CEO at different colleges. And if they had the three 248 00:13:46,040 --> 00:13:49,160 Speaker 1: cone drills set up with cones that were too tall. 249 00:13:49,280 --> 00:13:51,760 Speaker 1: He didn't like those little baby cones that look like 250 00:13:52,120 --> 00:13:53,840 Speaker 1: the pup cup that you get when you go through 251 00:13:54,280 --> 00:13:57,200 Speaker 1: Starbucks right now, he didn't didn't like that. And okay, 252 00:13:57,240 --> 00:13:58,800 Speaker 1: they had to be they had to be the medium 253 00:13:58,880 --> 00:14:02,160 Speaker 1: sized cone because the bigger cones, okay, because if you 254 00:14:02,240 --> 00:14:05,400 Speaker 1: touch the cone, then the drill started over, all right, 255 00:14:05,559 --> 00:14:08,040 Speaker 1: So he wanted the medium sized cones. And then he 256 00:14:08,120 --> 00:14:10,319 Speaker 1: wanted them he wanted them set up, you know, in 257 00:14:10,640 --> 00:14:14,000 Speaker 1: a precise manner so that you were running not only 258 00:14:14,160 --> 00:14:18,120 Speaker 1: ninety degree angles, you were running forty five degree turns there. 259 00:14:18,160 --> 00:14:20,760 Speaker 1: And there's a lot to it and what it shows 260 00:14:20,760 --> 00:14:22,920 Speaker 1: you is and a good measure for it a skilled guy. 261 00:14:22,960 --> 00:14:25,080 Speaker 1: If you've got a skilled guy that's running under seven 262 00:14:25,080 --> 00:14:27,880 Speaker 1: seconds on the three cone, you got a dude. It 263 00:14:27,920 --> 00:14:29,680 Speaker 1: doesn't mean he can play football, but at least you've 264 00:14:29,680 --> 00:14:31,920 Speaker 1: got to do this. Got some lower body flex and 265 00:14:32,000 --> 00:14:36,360 Speaker 1: can can change directions and can also stay in continuous motion. 266 00:14:36,880 --> 00:14:39,600 Speaker 1: The game of football is a real short burst game. 267 00:14:39,880 --> 00:14:41,920 Speaker 1: It's a short burst game, but it's got to be 268 00:14:42,000 --> 00:14:44,800 Speaker 1: short burst in continuous motion. You don't start stop a 269 00:14:44,800 --> 00:14:48,160 Speaker 1: lot in football, you just don't you know, you start 270 00:14:48,160 --> 00:14:51,960 Speaker 1: stopping basketball, you stop a lot in baseball, you don't. 271 00:14:52,000 --> 00:14:55,400 Speaker 1: You know. Football, Once you get an explosive movement, then 272 00:14:55,440 --> 00:14:58,040 Speaker 1: you've got to keep continually moving. And it's a lower 273 00:14:58,080 --> 00:15:00,800 Speaker 1: body game. What you surety? I mean, got these mister 274 00:15:00,880 --> 00:15:03,480 Speaker 1: Americas out there and they can't play dead on the 275 00:15:03,520 --> 00:15:06,640 Speaker 1: football field. And he got some dudes who I mean, 276 00:15:06,680 --> 00:15:08,880 Speaker 1: you see those guys with those lower bodies, and you 277 00:15:09,120 --> 00:15:11,440 Speaker 1: I mean, you'd like to see the athletic upper body 278 00:15:11,440 --> 00:15:14,240 Speaker 1: guys too. Don't get me wrong, but it's a game 279 00:15:14,280 --> 00:15:18,240 Speaker 1: of legs. Well, because it's again it's a short burst game, right, 280 00:15:18,280 --> 00:15:20,120 Speaker 1: it's a it's a game of leverage, and it's a 281 00:15:20,160 --> 00:15:22,680 Speaker 1: game of flexibility. You know, it's what it is. And 282 00:15:22,680 --> 00:15:25,280 Speaker 1: then it's a game of when you get in space, 283 00:15:25,680 --> 00:15:27,280 Speaker 1: not only in space. I mean we could go over 284 00:15:27,320 --> 00:15:29,880 Speaker 1: this forever, but it's a game of length. It's a 285 00:15:29,960 --> 00:15:31,640 Speaker 1: game of length. I mean you've got to have you 286 00:15:31,720 --> 00:15:33,640 Speaker 1: got to have length as a defensive front player to 287 00:15:33,680 --> 00:15:35,440 Speaker 1: be able to separate because you got to get off 288 00:15:35,520 --> 00:15:37,720 Speaker 1: quick and then be able to move. You need length 289 00:15:37,760 --> 00:15:40,520 Speaker 1: on the edges offensively, and then you need length to 290 00:15:40,560 --> 00:15:44,320 Speaker 1: be able to win one on one downfield. So that's 291 00:15:44,360 --> 00:15:48,040 Speaker 1: the three cone drill. But c O Brocado, who in 292 00:15:48,080 --> 00:15:49,680 Speaker 1: my mind should be in the Hall of Fame for 293 00:15:49,760 --> 00:15:52,400 Speaker 1: what he did for scouting in the National Football League, 294 00:15:52,480 --> 00:15:55,040 Speaker 1: that was his drill. But he if you ever went 295 00:15:55,080 --> 00:15:58,240 Speaker 1: to a school workout with Ceo, you did not touch 296 00:15:58,320 --> 00:16:01,280 Speaker 1: the three cone drill because he would dog cush you. 297 00:16:01,320 --> 00:16:05,000 Speaker 1: In a second, yes he wouldn't. Yeah, And so that's 298 00:16:05,000 --> 00:16:08,120 Speaker 1: the three cone drill. Who is the player that is 299 00:16:08,120 --> 00:16:12,200 Speaker 1: going to go higher in this draft. Then he is 300 00:16:12,240 --> 00:16:16,640 Speaker 1: currently being projected in mock drafts in the days leading 301 00:16:16,720 --> 00:16:19,640 Speaker 1: up to the twenty twenty one NFL Draft. Zaven Collins 302 00:16:19,680 --> 00:16:22,560 Speaker 1: from Tulsa, who the more you look at him, I mean, 303 00:16:22,640 --> 00:16:25,480 Speaker 1: here's here's a kid that is even bigger now. I 304 00:16:25,520 --> 00:16:27,960 Speaker 1: think his last day was two seventy. He was two 305 00:16:28,000 --> 00:16:31,000 Speaker 1: fifty at Tulsa. But this is a space athlete. We 306 00:16:31,000 --> 00:16:33,800 Speaker 1: talk about space athletes, we talk about guys that have 307 00:16:34,000 --> 00:16:38,120 Speaker 1: those those movement numbers. He's from Hominy, Oklahoma. So anybody 308 00:16:38,120 --> 00:16:40,480 Speaker 1: here could pinpoint Hominy on a map. I'll give you 309 00:16:40,520 --> 00:16:43,400 Speaker 1: five hundred dollar right now, and it's clear up in 310 00:16:43,440 --> 00:16:46,200 Speaker 1: the northern part by eleven people in town. There'll be 311 00:16:46,240 --> 00:16:50,720 Speaker 1: ten when he leaves. But this guy, this guy is 312 00:16:50,760 --> 00:16:53,600 Speaker 1: an athlete. He is an athlete, and he is he's 313 00:16:53,720 --> 00:16:57,000 Speaker 1: in today's football what you need because at that type 314 00:16:57,000 --> 00:16:59,520 Speaker 1: of weight, I mean, he can play on the edge 315 00:16:59,640 --> 00:17:02,280 Speaker 1: in a three four, you can move him around. I 316 00:17:02,280 --> 00:17:06,120 Speaker 1: mean he is a he is a lot like if 317 00:17:06,160 --> 00:17:09,320 Speaker 1: you want to stand him up behind the line, Tremaine Edmonds. 318 00:17:09,359 --> 00:17:12,080 Speaker 1: He's like six nine, he's got a wingspan, but he 319 00:17:12,119 --> 00:17:15,159 Speaker 1: can play in space, right, he can play in space. 320 00:17:15,200 --> 00:17:18,520 Speaker 1: But he's got the physical size and length. And because 321 00:17:18,560 --> 00:17:21,480 Speaker 1: he played at Tulsa, which you know, you know, not 322 00:17:21,680 --> 00:17:24,879 Speaker 1: any disrespect to the Golden Hurricanes, but it's not a 323 00:17:24,920 --> 00:17:27,520 Speaker 1: power of five school. And so what who he's played 324 00:17:27,520 --> 00:17:29,680 Speaker 1: against now he's had some nice games against some Power 325 00:17:29,720 --> 00:17:33,399 Speaker 1: of five schools, but I think that the more we 326 00:17:33,520 --> 00:17:35,400 Speaker 1: get to it, and again, I you know, I've talked 327 00:17:35,520 --> 00:17:38,200 Speaker 1: several you know, people involved in draft rooms, and I 328 00:17:38,240 --> 00:17:40,960 Speaker 1: don't ask him specific questions because it's not fair because 329 00:17:41,760 --> 00:17:43,720 Speaker 1: I wouldn't tell him if I was met doing that. 330 00:17:43,800 --> 00:17:46,080 Speaker 1: So I know better than what to not ask. But 331 00:17:46,320 --> 00:17:48,720 Speaker 1: the talk around him is and when you just start 332 00:17:48,760 --> 00:17:51,600 Speaker 1: looking at him and what the game is today. Defensively, 333 00:17:51,760 --> 00:17:54,280 Speaker 1: he's a nice piece rat. I'm gonna give you three 334 00:17:54,320 --> 00:17:58,560 Speaker 1: guys that are moving up the board, and not necessarily 335 00:17:58,560 --> 00:18:02,520 Speaker 1: on nine one, but one is Javonte Williams, the power 336 00:18:02,600 --> 00:18:05,240 Speaker 1: running back from North Carolina. I think he's the third 337 00:18:05,320 --> 00:18:08,399 Speaker 1: running back taken in this draft. And I don't you know, 338 00:18:08,680 --> 00:18:11,080 Speaker 1: some mocks even show him, you know, bottom of the 339 00:18:11,119 --> 00:18:14,679 Speaker 1: first round. Don't know that that happens. But he is 340 00:18:15,320 --> 00:18:20,040 Speaker 1: a low, built to the ground, solid rock dude five nine, 341 00:18:20,080 --> 00:18:22,880 Speaker 1: two hundred and twelve pounds who is a power rusher 342 00:18:22,880 --> 00:18:25,239 Speaker 1: in this thing. Okay. The other is a guy who 343 00:18:25,320 --> 00:18:30,880 Speaker 1: has an interesting story. He's a Louisiana native. He originally 344 00:18:30,920 --> 00:18:34,560 Speaker 1: committed to LSU, got in trouble there, transferred to Kentucky, 345 00:18:34,640 --> 00:18:36,760 Speaker 1: had one year as a starter, and that's Kelvin Joseph 346 00:18:36,760 --> 00:18:41,080 Speaker 1: at cornerback. And this guy had an incredible Pro Day 347 00:18:41,480 --> 00:18:44,359 Speaker 1: and has production in the one year. There are some 348 00:18:44,440 --> 00:18:46,920 Speaker 1: scouts that think he has a first round grade had 349 00:18:46,960 --> 00:18:49,120 Speaker 1: he not had the off field issues in this thing. 350 00:18:49,200 --> 00:18:52,119 Speaker 1: He's a guy that's gonna rise on night too. And 351 00:18:52,119 --> 00:18:53,960 Speaker 1: then the third one is an obvious one, and that's 352 00:18:54,040 --> 00:18:57,680 Speaker 1: Davis Mills, the quarterback from Stanford, and Davis is a 353 00:18:57,960 --> 00:19:01,359 Speaker 1: season and a half starters, a bad knee that I 354 00:19:01,600 --> 00:19:03,639 Speaker 1: don't know about the medicals on this thing, but he's 355 00:19:03,680 --> 00:19:07,359 Speaker 1: a Georgian native who played at Stanford, and he starts 356 00:19:07,400 --> 00:19:10,399 Speaker 1: the next tier of quarterbacks after the five that we 357 00:19:10,440 --> 00:19:12,359 Speaker 1: think will be taken in the first round. All Right, 358 00:19:12,440 --> 00:19:15,560 Speaker 1: Rhett seems to know the depth of this draft really well. 359 00:19:15,560 --> 00:19:18,200 Speaker 1: So let me give you another one. If we're assuming 360 00:19:18,240 --> 00:19:21,639 Speaker 1: Patrick certain is the first cornerback to come off of 361 00:19:21,640 --> 00:19:24,680 Speaker 1: the board, who do we think is the second? Right? 362 00:19:25,080 --> 00:19:27,400 Speaker 1: I think if you're asking coach Mack the same question, 363 00:19:27,400 --> 00:19:28,800 Speaker 1: he and I are going to have the same answer, 364 00:19:28,800 --> 00:19:31,560 Speaker 1: and that would be JC Horn from South Carolina. He 365 00:19:31,760 --> 00:19:34,240 Speaker 1: is just a shade over six feet two hundred and 366 00:19:34,240 --> 00:19:38,160 Speaker 1: five pounds. All of his measurables, including a forty one 367 00:19:38,160 --> 00:19:40,760 Speaker 1: and a half inch vertical and a broad jump of 368 00:19:40,800 --> 00:19:43,000 Speaker 1: eleven plus feet at his pro day, are in the 369 00:19:43,119 --> 00:19:49,359 Speaker 1: ninety sixth percentile of cornerbacks in draft evaluation. Big physical, 370 00:19:49,680 --> 00:19:54,360 Speaker 1: long guy, thirty three inch long arms, who is just 371 00:19:54,440 --> 00:19:57,520 Speaker 1: a super physical guy. Like a lot of young corners 372 00:19:57,560 --> 00:20:01,119 Speaker 1: coming out. He's a bit two, sticky and grabby. I 373 00:20:01,119 --> 00:20:03,439 Speaker 1: think he's got some things to work on that. But 374 00:20:03,480 --> 00:20:05,879 Speaker 1: if Sir Tan is gone and I'm a team that 375 00:20:05,920 --> 00:20:10,240 Speaker 1: wants a next cornerback, it's Jac Horn from South Carolina. Yes, 376 00:20:11,560 --> 00:20:13,960 Speaker 1: I mean that, what's true? I mean it is now. 377 00:20:14,119 --> 00:20:18,359 Speaker 1: I mean we get into the Caleb Farley, you know conversation, 378 00:20:19,080 --> 00:20:21,560 Speaker 1: but we're talking about the Virginia Tech. Yeah, we're talking 379 00:20:21,600 --> 00:20:24,720 Speaker 1: about the draft now. If you want a healthy dude 380 00:20:24,800 --> 00:20:27,280 Speaker 1: right now, it's JC Horn. And the best thing that 381 00:20:27,320 --> 00:20:29,399 Speaker 1: he does. Red has gone through a lot of his traits, 382 00:20:29,760 --> 00:20:32,240 Speaker 1: but the best thing that he does we talk about 383 00:20:32,240 --> 00:20:35,520 Speaker 1: these combat catchers. He is tremendous at the catch point 384 00:20:35,680 --> 00:20:38,520 Speaker 1: because he's got the vertical, he's got the length, and 385 00:20:38,600 --> 00:20:41,639 Speaker 1: he's got he can stay in phase. He's an in 386 00:20:41,800 --> 00:20:45,200 Speaker 1: phase corner. There are some corners that are ketchup corners, 387 00:20:45,240 --> 00:20:48,280 Speaker 1: there are some corners that are immediate jump corners, and 388 00:20:48,320 --> 00:20:51,360 Speaker 1: then there are some in phase corners. This is an 389 00:20:51,400 --> 00:20:54,400 Speaker 1: in phase dude that is really good at the catch point. 390 00:20:54,720 --> 00:20:58,520 Speaker 1: So third corner taken? Is it Caleb Farley from Virginia Tech? 391 00:20:58,920 --> 00:21:02,760 Speaker 1: Or is it Greg Newsoon from Northwestern? Am I drafting? Yes? Yes, 392 00:21:02,960 --> 00:21:05,720 Speaker 1: I'm taking Greg Newsom from Northwestern. You're worried about the 393 00:21:05,720 --> 00:21:09,040 Speaker 1: back I am again. I dropped out of medical school 394 00:21:09,080 --> 00:21:11,480 Speaker 1: after once a year because it was way too easy. 395 00:21:11,720 --> 00:21:15,520 Speaker 1: But this, you know, Caleb Farley is a wonderful prospect 396 00:21:15,720 --> 00:21:17,520 Speaker 1: from what I know. Again, as I said, I don't 397 00:21:17,520 --> 00:21:20,760 Speaker 1: do medicals anymore, I'm not ding. But this is not 398 00:21:20,840 --> 00:21:22,960 Speaker 1: the only issue he's had. He's got a little history. 399 00:21:23,119 --> 00:21:26,000 Speaker 1: But Newsom has a history too. Yes he does. Newsom 400 00:21:26,040 --> 00:21:29,400 Speaker 1: miss thirteen games over three years, but he's still he 401 00:21:29,480 --> 00:21:33,960 Speaker 1: has not had anything this recent. Okay, in my mind, 402 00:21:34,119 --> 00:21:37,000 Speaker 1: there's a little bit of lack of production with Greg 403 00:21:37,080 --> 00:21:39,760 Speaker 1: Newsom in terms of what he had one pick in college, 404 00:21:39,840 --> 00:21:42,560 Speaker 1: that's it. One an interception. Man. He played great this year, 405 00:21:42,640 --> 00:21:45,560 Speaker 1: he really did. And the Caleb Farley thing is interesting. 406 00:21:45,600 --> 00:21:48,480 Speaker 1: Because he had the micro dissected me on his back. 407 00:21:48,960 --> 00:21:51,760 Speaker 1: He's supposed to be cleared by July. I think he 408 00:21:51,880 --> 00:21:54,239 Speaker 1: got some good medical news. You know, Indianapolis de oh 409 00:21:54,240 --> 00:21:57,159 Speaker 1: a couple of three weeks ago. But he's an athlete. 410 00:21:57,320 --> 00:21:59,800 Speaker 1: This guy's a former high school quarterback through twenty one 411 00:22:00,040 --> 00:22:03,439 Speaker 1: touchdowns and ran for thirty some odd more in his 412 00:22:03,560 --> 00:22:06,480 Speaker 1: senior year and you know, committed as a wide out 413 00:22:06,520 --> 00:22:10,080 Speaker 1: then moved to cornerback. He's got physical traits, it's just 414 00:22:10,160 --> 00:22:12,480 Speaker 1: the health because he's missed some stuff with the back 415 00:22:12,760 --> 00:22:15,480 Speaker 1: before he opted out in twenty twenty. How much of 416 00:22:15,520 --> 00:22:19,960 Speaker 1: an impact more than maybe in previous years, is a 417 00:22:20,000 --> 00:22:24,600 Speaker 1: medical report or previous injuries going to have on this 418 00:22:24,800 --> 00:22:28,960 Speaker 1: draft because so many teams need their drafted players to 419 00:22:29,200 --> 00:22:32,320 Speaker 1: play right now, Mac, is that going to have a 420 00:22:32,359 --> 00:22:36,520 Speaker 1: bigger impact than typically it would? It's always had an impact, 421 00:22:36,560 --> 00:22:38,639 Speaker 1: And it's a it's a relevant question because I mean, 422 00:22:38,640 --> 00:22:40,480 Speaker 1: we're sitting here right now with a great example of 423 00:22:40,480 --> 00:22:43,640 Speaker 1: a guy that you know, the our general manager, John 424 00:22:43,680 --> 00:22:46,240 Speaker 1: Drives had the foresight to take and the patients, with 425 00:22:46,280 --> 00:22:48,880 Speaker 1: the coach and staff to wait on. That is very 426 00:22:48,960 --> 00:22:51,400 Speaker 1: much worth it. But I think that you have to 427 00:22:51,480 --> 00:22:55,720 Speaker 1: know exactly what that. Now, if people know more about 428 00:22:55,760 --> 00:22:58,600 Speaker 1: Farley than I do, that says this is nothing that 429 00:22:58,640 --> 00:23:03,000 Speaker 1: are deep down and they know, well, then that's the dude, okay, 430 00:23:03,119 --> 00:23:04,840 Speaker 1: or if you're willing to wait on him a little bit, 431 00:23:04,920 --> 00:23:07,080 Speaker 1: but what you say brings up a point. And here's 432 00:23:07,119 --> 00:23:11,200 Speaker 1: the other thing too. This draft class is the most 433 00:23:11,320 --> 00:23:16,320 Speaker 1: unusual for a long time because this is the fewest 434 00:23:16,400 --> 00:23:18,840 Speaker 1: eyes these players have ever had on him in person, 435 00:23:19,080 --> 00:23:22,639 Speaker 1: the fewest eyes ever in person. And so to me, 436 00:23:23,320 --> 00:23:26,840 Speaker 1: the more health that you can get, the earlier that 437 00:23:26,920 --> 00:23:30,080 Speaker 1: you can get it is going to be important. So 438 00:23:30,119 --> 00:23:34,040 Speaker 1: what is the surest thing in the twenty twenty one 439 00:23:34,320 --> 00:23:41,360 Speaker 1: NFL Draft? Mac slam dunk, no question, surest thing? Coupit? Okay, Wow, 440 00:23:41,640 --> 00:23:44,520 Speaker 1: Florida tight end. He's not a tight end. He's a 441 00:23:44,560 --> 00:23:48,760 Speaker 1: mismatch monster beast. He will line up anywhere that they 442 00:23:48,800 --> 00:23:52,320 Speaker 1: want to whoever gets him. This guy is that. And 443 00:23:52,359 --> 00:23:54,119 Speaker 1: I can't help but look at the draft as a 444 00:23:54,160 --> 00:23:57,840 Speaker 1: defensive coach because that's what I was and his you know, 445 00:23:58,280 --> 00:24:01,119 Speaker 1: m at heart, you think about the matchup nightmares that 446 00:24:01,160 --> 00:24:04,600 Speaker 1: he's going to cause defensive coaches because this is a 447 00:24:04,640 --> 00:24:07,040 Speaker 1: guy with an I mean RT's got all his numbers 448 00:24:07,040 --> 00:24:10,160 Speaker 1: Retz and numbers guy this year, but he's got the 449 00:24:10,160 --> 00:24:13,199 Speaker 1: wingspan that this guy has. You talk about combat catches, 450 00:24:13,240 --> 00:24:16,920 Speaker 1: but he can run. He's combative. He could line up removed. 451 00:24:17,240 --> 00:24:19,200 Speaker 1: If you're gonna go three by one and have him 452 00:24:19,200 --> 00:24:22,280 Speaker 1: the single guy by himself over on the other side 453 00:24:22,480 --> 00:24:24,720 Speaker 1: where you're either going to demand single coverage or be 454 00:24:24,760 --> 00:24:28,159 Speaker 1: able to get roll coverage. This guy cow pits. The 455 00:24:28,200 --> 00:24:31,560 Speaker 1: interesting thing about Kyle Pitts is when people have done 456 00:24:31,560 --> 00:24:37,080 Speaker 1: the comparables of him to former players, former prospects. The 457 00:24:37,200 --> 00:24:40,960 Speaker 1: comparable that I've seen the most is Megatron is Calvin Johnson, 458 00:24:41,320 --> 00:24:44,400 Speaker 1: who was not a tight end, who was a extremely 459 00:24:44,520 --> 00:24:48,600 Speaker 1: large wide receiver who ran four four ish, and I 460 00:24:48,680 --> 00:24:52,000 Speaker 1: found that fascinating. How good was Megatron? He was okay, Yeah, 461 00:24:52,040 --> 00:24:54,360 Speaker 1: he was fine, he was fair. Yeah, So to me, 462 00:24:54,520 --> 00:24:57,920 Speaker 1: that's a and I've seen him compared to tonygan Zalez, right, 463 00:24:58,240 --> 00:25:01,120 Speaker 1: just because of tight end, But I think the Megatron 464 00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:05,439 Speaker 1: is a more fair comparison. Mike Rhet, who's your suriest thing. 465 00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:09,399 Speaker 1: I'll answer it like Coach Mack. Yes, it's Kyle Pitts. 466 00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:12,720 Speaker 1: Coach Mack taught us all there's the draft, and then 467 00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:15,119 Speaker 1: there's the quarterback draft. He's the best player in this 468 00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:18,600 Speaker 1: draft that's not involved as a quarterback. Everyone you talk 469 00:25:18,680 --> 00:25:21,879 Speaker 1: to when you hear some evaluators call him the unicorn, 470 00:25:22,720 --> 00:25:25,200 Speaker 1: that he is as big as he is, and as 471 00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:27,440 Speaker 1: coach Mack says, he's got the twitch. In other words, 472 00:25:27,480 --> 00:25:32,600 Speaker 1: he is just absolutely explosion everywhere and has an incredible 473 00:25:32,640 --> 00:25:38,280 Speaker 1: physique and the measurables, and I think that's what all right, Yeah, 474 00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:42,680 Speaker 1: but Coach Max, right, if you're just putting him in 475 00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:46,160 Speaker 1: a box's tight end. Some people have him rated better 476 00:25:46,160 --> 00:25:48,760 Speaker 1: than Tony Gonzalez, who you know has a gold jacket. 477 00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:51,360 Speaker 1: But I'm with you, he's not necessarily tight end. He's 478 00:25:51,359 --> 00:25:55,560 Speaker 1: a mismatch nightmare, six five two forty five hands, an 479 00:25:55,560 --> 00:25:59,919 Speaker 1: incredibly big ten and five eight eighty four inch wings 480 00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:03,080 Speaker 1: span four to four in the forty ten foot nine 481 00:26:03,119 --> 00:26:06,200 Speaker 1: inch broad jump, his vertical thirty three and a half 482 00:26:06,240 --> 00:26:08,280 Speaker 1: even at that size, and he's got the power at 483 00:26:08,320 --> 00:26:11,360 Speaker 1: twenty two reps at two twenty five plug and play 484 00:26:11,440 --> 00:26:14,199 Speaker 1: and just watch people just have fits over. Where is 485 00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:18,159 Speaker 1: Kyle Pitts on the field. I'm just disappointed that Matt 486 00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:21,680 Speaker 1: gave your nickname of monster Beast Mike to this guy, 487 00:26:21,760 --> 00:26:23,639 Speaker 1: he hasn't even done anything yet, and that's what we 488 00:26:23,680 --> 00:26:26,560 Speaker 1: call you. Thank you. So yeah, do you have a 489 00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:28,960 Speaker 1: surest thing in this draft as you have studied? I 490 00:26:29,359 --> 00:26:31,840 Speaker 1: have another one. Actually, I would like to throw this 491 00:26:31,880 --> 00:26:34,880 Speaker 1: to the the draft duo to see what they think 492 00:26:34,880 --> 00:26:37,320 Speaker 1: of my surest thing. Well, mine is a lame one 493 00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:41,720 Speaker 1: because my surest thing was Trevor Lawrence going to Jacksonville 494 00:26:41,760 --> 00:26:45,040 Speaker 1: and everyone just kind of reaffirmed that to me earlier 495 00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:49,240 Speaker 1: in the podcast. So that's also a correct thing. That 496 00:26:49,359 --> 00:26:51,960 Speaker 1: was My surest thing is that he will be a Jagon. 497 00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:54,000 Speaker 1: We will see him twice year. My surest thing in 498 00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:58,560 Speaker 1: this draft is Oklahoma center Creed Humphrey. Oh you'll get 499 00:26:58,560 --> 00:27:01,879 Speaker 1: sure centers very often. Creed Humphrey didn't allow a sack 500 00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:06,400 Speaker 1: in his entire career at Oklahoma. Is a great wrestler. 501 00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:09,760 Speaker 1: It's in his family. It's in his family. He's massive, 502 00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:12,480 Speaker 1: and he's the Unicorn of centers because he's a left handed, 503 00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:15,200 Speaker 1: left handed center. I don't think I realized he was 504 00:27:15,280 --> 00:27:19,680 Speaker 1: left handed, but yeah, he is scary good. Yeah, somebody's 505 00:27:19,680 --> 00:27:23,119 Speaker 1: gonna go Creed, You're the center. I mean, this guy, Hello, 506 00:27:23,280 --> 00:27:25,240 Speaker 1: he could be, he could be all pro. We were 507 00:27:25,280 --> 00:27:27,800 Speaker 1: around a pretty good left handed center Hall of Famer 508 00:27:28,720 --> 00:27:31,600 Speaker 1: Kevin what that's right left handed? I'd forgotten that. How 509 00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:33,640 Speaker 1: about that? All right? I want to end with this, 510 00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:37,440 Speaker 1: So I've gone through the top three hundred prospects from 511 00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:41,720 Speaker 1: Todd McShay and the top three hundred prospects from Dane Brugler, 512 00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:44,439 Speaker 1: two draft analysts that I think we can all agree 513 00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:47,520 Speaker 1: we respect. They're a picture, yes, and they're pretty similar 514 00:27:47,560 --> 00:27:49,560 Speaker 1: on a lot of guys and a lot of the 515 00:27:49,560 --> 00:27:52,800 Speaker 1: top guys that their numbers are pretty similar. But then 516 00:27:52,840 --> 00:27:55,640 Speaker 1: they have some that they're way apart on, like, for example, 517 00:27:55,760 --> 00:28:00,000 Speaker 1: duke tight end Noah Gray. McShay has him his number one, 518 00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:04,520 Speaker 1: one sixty five prospect. Brugler has him at two seventy nine, 519 00:28:04,560 --> 00:28:08,280 Speaker 1: so they're one hundred and fourteen Apolle Wow Sage Sarat 520 00:28:08,280 --> 00:28:11,320 Speaker 1: the wide receiver from wake Forest McShay one oh four. 521 00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:14,399 Speaker 1: Brugler has him number two fourteen, so they're over one 522 00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:19,080 Speaker 1: hundred apart there. Then b Yu offensive tackle Brady Christiansen, 523 00:28:19,280 --> 00:28:22,199 Speaker 1: Brugler has him at sixty two. McShay has him at 524 00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:25,600 Speaker 1: two thirty nine. No, now, if Brett doesn't like that 525 00:28:26,359 --> 00:28:31,120 Speaker 1: you're getting angry. Here's how that's gonna happen. Okay, that's 526 00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:33,560 Speaker 1: all right. I like that. But that's to the point, 527 00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:35,040 Speaker 1: and this is what I want to know from you, 528 00:28:35,080 --> 00:28:38,200 Speaker 1: coach mac. I'm not being critical of either one of 529 00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:42,160 Speaker 1: these two guys. I just wonder, with human beings and 530 00:28:42,360 --> 00:28:46,960 Speaker 1: objectivity being in everything about this process. When you sit 531 00:28:47,040 --> 00:28:49,800 Speaker 1: in a room with other men and now women who 532 00:28:49,880 --> 00:28:53,440 Speaker 1: scout as well, what are the factors that force people 533 00:28:53,520 --> 00:28:57,200 Speaker 1: to be so far apart on the same player. A 534 00:28:57,200 --> 00:28:59,440 Speaker 1: lot of it can be when you've seen him, Okay, 535 00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:01,160 Speaker 1: that's when you've seen them. A lot of it can 536 00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:04,360 Speaker 1: be how much personal exposure you've had to him. And 537 00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:07,160 Speaker 1: a lot of it depends, especially this year, as to 538 00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:11,959 Speaker 1: how much actual recency tape you have on them. And 539 00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:13,920 Speaker 1: some of them might be just how much time you 540 00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:16,280 Speaker 1: spent on them. I mean, you don't really know that. 541 00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:19,440 Speaker 1: And but the thing about those large disparities and gaps, 542 00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:23,200 Speaker 1: that's what great draft rooms are about, leading up to 543 00:29:23,280 --> 00:29:26,120 Speaker 1: the draft, when you write a player up. When I 544 00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:28,560 Speaker 1: first started writing players up, you know, Bill Tobin said 545 00:29:28,840 --> 00:29:31,880 Speaker 1: you can write players, but be ready to read them 546 00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:34,840 Speaker 1: to the room and then if you're challenged, have a 547 00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:37,440 Speaker 1: reason why, not that you're wrong and not that you're right, 548 00:29:37,520 --> 00:29:41,040 Speaker 1: but have reasons why. That's extremely important. And then with 549 00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:44,480 Speaker 1: a group, with everybody with opinions, you can come to 550 00:29:44,520 --> 00:29:47,600 Speaker 1: a consensus. And at the end, that's the general manager's job, 551 00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:50,360 Speaker 1: is to get a consensus of all of these picks. 552 00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:53,880 Speaker 1: And so nobody's right or wrong. There is no The 553 00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:57,360 Speaker 1: draft is not right or wrong right. You know, people 554 00:29:57,360 --> 00:29:59,560 Speaker 1: try to say it's an inexact science. It's not a 555 00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:03,560 Speaker 1: science at all. It really isn't because what you are 556 00:30:03,600 --> 00:30:06,240 Speaker 1: doing is you're given opinions. Now you've got a body 557 00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:09,880 Speaker 1: of work to draw on, and you can't manufacture experience 558 00:30:09,960 --> 00:30:12,560 Speaker 1: doing this. You have to be able to take years 559 00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:15,760 Speaker 1: and years, and sometimes it take years of bad moves 560 00:30:15,880 --> 00:30:18,680 Speaker 1: or of failures, and you were able to compare. But 561 00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:22,040 Speaker 1: I don't mind a big disparity to begin with. I 562 00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:25,240 Speaker 1: really don't. Because somebody they put those grades on those 563 00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:27,360 Speaker 1: guys for a reason. Sure, but I want to hear 564 00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:30,480 Speaker 1: the reason. I want to hear your reason, and then 565 00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:32,800 Speaker 1: not that you're going to convince me I'm right. It's 566 00:30:32,840 --> 00:30:35,160 Speaker 1: not about right or wrong. I mean, I've got a 567 00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:38,840 Speaker 1: great example here we talk about CEO Bricado. Okay, when 568 00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:42,400 Speaker 1: you know, when Clay Matthews was coming out, Okay, you know, 569 00:30:42,840 --> 00:30:45,520 Speaker 1: CEO was now over the whole West, and he had 570 00:30:45,600 --> 00:30:48,560 Speaker 1: only seen Clay Matthews, you know, for a few games. 571 00:30:48,560 --> 00:30:52,080 Speaker 1: And Clay Matthews wasn't a starter at USC for a while. 572 00:30:52,360 --> 00:30:55,000 Speaker 1: Then somebody got hurt and he started. And then but 573 00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:58,240 Speaker 1: because CEO had all of the West all right, then 574 00:30:58,280 --> 00:31:00,000 Speaker 1: he was only able to spend a little short of time. 575 00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:02,600 Speaker 1: So when we started reading them, and you know I 576 00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:05,640 Speaker 1: had seen you know, of course I wasn't like CEO. 577 00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:08,040 Speaker 1: I wasn't in charge of the whole West. They gave 578 00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:10,120 Speaker 1: me a few people to watch, and so when I 579 00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:12,960 Speaker 1: watched him, you know, I said, well, I think this 580 00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:15,600 Speaker 1: guy got a chance maybe to be a late first 581 00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:18,400 Speaker 1: round draft pick, and CEO did not have him that high. 582 00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:22,240 Speaker 1: So you know, c got me after the draft and said, 583 00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:25,360 Speaker 1: how could you do that? He said, show me right 584 00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:27,280 Speaker 1: now what you watched to make him. I thought, I 585 00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:29,200 Speaker 1: taught you better than that. And CEO taught me a 586 00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:32,960 Speaker 1: lot a lot about scouting. So I took him downstairs 587 00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:34,800 Speaker 1: and showed him. But I showed him some of the 588 00:31:34,880 --> 00:31:37,840 Speaker 1: later games that you know that he had played. I mean, 589 00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:40,280 Speaker 1: and you know against I said, look, watch this Oregon 590 00:31:40,320 --> 00:31:43,240 Speaker 1: State game. Oregon State, I said, CEO, they won eleven 591 00:31:43,280 --> 00:31:46,120 Speaker 1: games this year. I mean, you know, it's a different 592 00:31:46,200 --> 00:31:49,280 Speaker 1: Oregon State. In other words, so I'm saying, it's not 593 00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:52,720 Speaker 1: that you're right or wrong. And look, C graded more 594 00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:54,440 Speaker 1: players than I ever grated, and I would all first 595 00:31:54,440 --> 00:31:57,560 Speaker 1: about him, but I had a reason and some other 596 00:31:57,560 --> 00:31:59,680 Speaker 1: people did too, and so we all came to a consensus. 597 00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:01,440 Speaker 1: And see I went, you know what, I could see 598 00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:03,720 Speaker 1: why watching this that you would say that that's a 599 00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:07,920 Speaker 1: great explanation, coach, That is just fantastic, because you you know, 600 00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:12,240 Speaker 1: you just wonder. Both Brugler and McShay obviously at Trevor 601 00:32:12,280 --> 00:32:15,280 Speaker 1: Lawrence number one and Kyle Pitt's number two, and then 602 00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:18,680 Speaker 1: they started differentiating, and then you come back. They had 603 00:32:18,680 --> 00:32:22,760 Speaker 1: two players later in the draft at exactly the same number. 604 00:32:23,040 --> 00:32:26,240 Speaker 1: Houston edge rusher Peyton Turner both had him at number 605 00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:30,760 Speaker 1: sixty and Tennessee guard Trey Smith both at number ninety nine. 606 00:32:31,160 --> 00:32:35,320 Speaker 1: So they saw those two players exactly the same way. 607 00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:38,640 Speaker 1: Among the three hundred, somebody said on a show that 608 00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:42,320 Speaker 1: I was on this week that a draft board is 609 00:32:42,360 --> 00:32:48,320 Speaker 1: an organization's fingerprint. Everyone is different, and it's it's just 610 00:32:48,520 --> 00:32:54,040 Speaker 1: fascinating how people see things and what they see as important, 611 00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:58,040 Speaker 1: what they see as disqualifying, what they see as oh, 612 00:32:58,200 --> 00:33:01,800 Speaker 1: this is what this guy can be. It is unbelievable. 613 00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:04,600 Speaker 1: The best general managers, and again I've got a little 614 00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:06,560 Speaker 1: point of reference because I've been doing this for a while, 615 00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:10,160 Speaker 1: are those guys that are really good listeners because they're 616 00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:12,840 Speaker 1: gonna watch the tape and they're gonna have their opinions. 617 00:33:12,840 --> 00:33:15,280 Speaker 1: But they've hired all these other people to go out 618 00:33:15,320 --> 00:33:18,880 Speaker 1: and do a massive amount of work, and they're they're 619 00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:22,400 Speaker 1: the best listeners. That's why. That's why a general manager 620 00:33:22,760 --> 00:33:25,400 Speaker 1: he won't read his report in the room he wants 621 00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:28,120 Speaker 1: to listen. You need to have that autonomy when you're 622 00:33:28,120 --> 00:33:30,560 Speaker 1: in a draft room. If you know, if the five 623 00:33:30,600 --> 00:33:32,360 Speaker 1: of us are sitting in a draft room and everybody 624 00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:35,280 Speaker 1: reads the report, everybody has a right to read their 625 00:33:35,280 --> 00:33:39,840 Speaker 1: report and to not be disparaged by anybody while they're 626 00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:42,440 Speaker 1: reading it, and then not have anybody don't dispute it 627 00:33:42,520 --> 00:33:45,120 Speaker 1: until you read me your report, and then read me yours, 628 00:33:45,160 --> 00:33:47,440 Speaker 1: read me, and then we all sit here and go okay, 629 00:33:47,560 --> 00:33:50,600 Speaker 1: you know, and then the wise. The wise are big. 630 00:33:50,840 --> 00:33:52,960 Speaker 1: The wise are big in the draft room. And are 631 00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:56,240 Speaker 1: you always going to be right? No, you're not. I 632 00:33:56,280 --> 00:33:59,160 Speaker 1: mean I've I've made some good draft choices. I've made 633 00:33:59,240 --> 00:34:03,120 Speaker 1: some really bad ones. But when but when I made him, 634 00:34:03,320 --> 00:34:06,320 Speaker 1: I didn't think they were bad. Of course, I didn't think, 635 00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:08,640 Speaker 1: you know what, I'll take this guy. He's really really terrible. 636 00:34:10,080 --> 00:34:14,439 Speaker 1: It's just gonna I'll just take him because I'm ready 637 00:34:14,440 --> 00:34:17,160 Speaker 1: to get fired. You know, that's that's not what you do. 638 00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:21,239 Speaker 1: Coach Mack is so spot on with what I've just 639 00:34:21,400 --> 00:34:23,680 Speaker 1: heard you. I was on a show this week where 640 00:34:23,719 --> 00:34:25,879 Speaker 1: we had Brian Billick as a guest, and the first 641 00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:28,960 Speaker 1: thing I asked him, because it's draft season, about a 642 00:34:29,040 --> 00:34:30,960 Speaker 1: guy I think that could be a double Hall of 643 00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:34,319 Speaker 1: Fame inductee and and Ozzie Knewsom, I think he's a 644 00:34:34,360 --> 00:34:37,759 Speaker 1: fantastic general manager for the Baltimore Ravens. And I said, 645 00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:39,759 Speaker 1: what was it about him that made him made you 646 00:34:39,920 --> 00:34:42,560 Speaker 1: so good? To set you up? You still have to 647 00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:44,759 Speaker 1: hit on those picks, but he set up on the 648 00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:47,960 Speaker 1: tea for you. He said he was an excellent listener. 649 00:34:48,120 --> 00:34:51,279 Speaker 1: He said he was the best at it. And he said, 650 00:34:51,320 --> 00:34:53,920 Speaker 1: when we had a difference of opinion about a prospect, 651 00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:56,480 Speaker 1: we call it in our war room. It was we 652 00:34:56,520 --> 00:35:00,120 Speaker 1: called it scrimmaging. And he said it was healthy, it 653 00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:03,880 Speaker 1: was good. We wanted to get out the wise, the who's, 654 00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:07,000 Speaker 1: the what's all of that, And he said, that's what 655 00:35:07,239 --> 00:35:10,120 Speaker 1: made those war rooms so good, is that we got 656 00:35:10,160 --> 00:35:11,960 Speaker 1: all that stuff out there and we might have a 657 00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:14,840 Speaker 1: different opinion, but we scrimmaged our points and they stumped 658 00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:17,799 Speaker 1: for why here's what I saw. But he said the 659 00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:21,560 Speaker 1: listening was where it started for a coach. Dave McGinnis 660 00:35:21,560 --> 00:35:25,000 Speaker 1: and Rhet Bryan and Amy Well, I might keep We 661 00:35:25,160 --> 00:35:27,920 Speaker 1: thank you for joining us, for the oaks and teas 662 00:35:28,840 --> 00:35:34,480 Speaker 1: where the legends go. Everybody knows it's our house Tennessee. 663 00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:41,239 Speaker 1: Making us to read cleanness is we got tight and 664 00:35:41,320 --> 00:35:42,560 Speaker 1: butter running through a v