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Speaker 1: o Brian today. I'm joined by the great lot for

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Speaker 1: an Eagle. It teaches me how to say the word Latvian.

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Speaker 1: In the podcast is stag around for that Janice but

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Speaker 1: tell Us and we're talking about bears. We're talking about

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Speaker 1: bear attacks, We're talking about the bears in Latvia, We're

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Speaker 1: talking about bear protesters, We're talking about um bear personification,

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Speaker 1: in the interview segment. The interview portion of the show,

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Speaker 1: we're gonna be joined by todd Or. Todd Or is

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Speaker 1: probably the most uh, at least in a modern sense,

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Speaker 1: have uh Johannae tell Us, who has a lot of

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Speaker 1: famous experience with bear attacks, and todd Or as well.

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Speaker 1: Here on the podcast. We're gonna get into some segments

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Speaker 1: with Todd what's in your medical kit? And we're gonna

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Speaker 1: welcome to another episode of the Honey Collective. I've been

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Speaker 1: O'Brien and it is four nine nineteen today. That's a

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Speaker 1: podcast about bears, and I'm joined by j Honest. Tell

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Speaker 1: us Yanni morning, then I'm great. We're sitting in the

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Speaker 1: Bozeman Offices meat eater offices here, and we're sitting on

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Speaker 1: a table that has a bear rug as a what

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Speaker 1: do we call it? That like a tablecloth? Uh? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: we're usoning as a sound dampening device. Yes. And if

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Speaker 1: you check check the instagrams and you'll see the video

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Speaker 1: we're gonna put up, you'll see this table on this

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Speaker 1: beautiful bear. That's which I believe a shop I want.

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Speaker 1: Stephen Renelic, that's right, that's right. I watched him shoot

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Speaker 1: this bear. This bear was we watched this bear. We

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Speaker 1: think it was the same bear mowing down blueberries and

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Speaker 1: other berries in British Columbia for numerous days. Um, the

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Speaker 1: well we got a lot of bears to bear subjects

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Speaker 1: in this episode an interview with Todd Or, who I

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Speaker 1: We're gonna talk to Todd later on, but for now, UM,

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Speaker 1: Really yea. It had evidently drowned after making it too

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Speaker 1: it's called boy. I'm not gonna slit Terry. No, that's

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Speaker 1: Do you feel like the bear? I did a thing

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Speaker 1: And I quickly, with not even trying, found like a

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Speaker 1: those things that it definitely deadens, uh the longer you

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Speaker 1: are removed from when the last time it happened. And

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Speaker 1: what I mean by that is that just like the

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Speaker 1: next hunting season after a fog knack, I was definitely

429
00:24:22,119 --> 00:24:23,960
Speaker 1: just way more on edge, and then I had another

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Speaker 1: one and it's just as slowly. I'm still definitely way

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Speaker 1: way aware, you know, And I'm like I've changed what

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00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:34,440
Speaker 1: I do as as far as just my protocol procedures,

433
00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:37,560
Speaker 1: you know, and where I'm you know, the way I'm

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Speaker 1: looking around, where my bear spray is and where my

435
00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:49,320
Speaker 1: pistol is, etcetera, etcetera. Um, but yeah, I can still

436
00:24:49,359 --> 00:24:53,440
Speaker 1: go and sleep out in grizzly country on my own.

437
00:24:53,680 --> 00:24:56,639
Speaker 1: It's not like a great night of sleep. It's worrisome,

438
00:24:56,840 --> 00:24:59,480
Speaker 1: toss and turns as well it should be. It's hard

439
00:24:59,520 --> 00:25:03,159
Speaker 1: to like. Even though you get comfortable with myself. In

440
00:25:03,240 --> 00:25:06,879
Speaker 1: my head, I feel like my ego, which I just

441
00:25:07,000 --> 00:25:08,800
Speaker 1: I just called the ego, like the like the little

442
00:25:08,880 --> 00:25:13,560
Speaker 1: voice that is in your head. Sometimes it will keep

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Speaker 1: me awake, even though I'm totally have been just like, dude,

444
00:25:16,840 --> 00:25:19,600
Speaker 1: you're fine, you're cool, You're tired, and go to sleep,

445
00:25:20,600 --> 00:25:22,720
Speaker 1: and you get to a certain point of sleep and

446
00:25:22,720 --> 00:25:26,560
Speaker 1: then all something like that ego, your brain, some something

447
00:25:26,600 --> 00:25:28,399
Speaker 1: in there that you're not in control of. It is like, no,

448
00:25:29,240 --> 00:25:31,920
Speaker 1: you can't sleep. Huh. I can imagine those have been

449
00:25:32,080 --> 00:25:34,760
Speaker 1: involved in a plane crash. Right we get on. I

450
00:25:34,760 --> 00:25:37,280
Speaker 1: get on a plane. I feel completely safe. I don't

451
00:25:37,320 --> 00:25:39,879
Speaker 1: think about whether the engines are working. I don't think

452
00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:42,240
Speaker 1: about whether pilots sober or drunk. I sit in my seat,

453
00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:45,760
Speaker 1: I watched my movie, I do my work, and I'm

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Speaker 1: just being transported. I'm sure if I was in a

455
00:25:47,680 --> 00:25:52,320
Speaker 1: plane trash that would completely change my mentality. Yeah, that's

456
00:25:52,400 --> 00:25:55,480
Speaker 1: I'm sure it's the same in this case. Ten years

457
00:25:55,480 --> 00:25:58,639
Speaker 1: after the plane crash, you probably would be close your

458
00:25:58,640 --> 00:26:02,640
Speaker 1: original baseline, get back to oh well, probably what happened again? Totally.

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00:26:02,680 --> 00:26:05,399
Speaker 1: I hope it won't happen again, all right. The biggest

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00:26:05,400 --> 00:26:07,919
Speaker 1: thing for me now is with the kids. Man. You know,

461
00:26:08,080 --> 00:26:10,159
Speaker 1: it's one thing if you're out there by yourself and

462
00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:11,960
Speaker 1: you can always sort of like you have a plan

463
00:26:12,080 --> 00:26:15,840
Speaker 1: for yourself, like I know I can quickly. Just That's

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Speaker 1: why I do pull ups, man, because I know if

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Speaker 1: I can at least jump up and grab that one branch,

466
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Speaker 1: I can get up onto it and the grizzly bear

467
00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:24,000
Speaker 1: hopefully if you can't, if you don't get there by

468
00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:25,560
Speaker 1: the time I get my feet up, I've got like

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Speaker 1: an escape plants because there is a tree with a

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Speaker 1: horizontal branch. Let's let's rewind that a bit. Give people

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Speaker 1: your advice for for bear, for how many pushups? How

472
00:26:36,320 --> 00:26:38,520
Speaker 1: many push ups and pull ups does a man need

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Speaker 1: to do to survive the bear attack? Tell us give

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Speaker 1: it to us. But like most people should know that

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00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:50,880
Speaker 1: grizz an adult grizz can't climb trees because of their

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Speaker 1: the structure of their claws, right, they're long and they're

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00:26:55,640 --> 00:27:04,480
Speaker 1: meant for digging, slashing um but not climbing. Trees. Do

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00:27:04,520 --> 00:27:07,359
Speaker 1: you ever see a black bear in grizz country? If

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00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:10,359
Speaker 1: they sense danger, first thing they do is up the

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Speaker 1: nearest tree um And so black bear does that to

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00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:17,320
Speaker 1: get away from a grizzly. Might be a good idea

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00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:20,960
Speaker 1: for you know, black bears a tree climbing suckers' humans

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00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:24,600
Speaker 1: do the same thing. So I don't know, dude, I

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00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:27,160
Speaker 1: recommend the Armstrong pull up program. Do you pull ups?

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00:27:27,320 --> 00:27:28,960
Speaker 1: Do your pull up now? I don't know if Todd

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00:27:29,040 --> 00:27:30,880
Speaker 1: or did pull us before you got jumped by a bear,

487
00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:33,720
Speaker 1: but we're about to find out, and we're gonna go

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00:27:34,840 --> 00:27:36,520
Speaker 1: all the way over to the other. We're sitting in

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Speaker 1: the conference room right now. I guess we call this

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00:27:38,840 --> 00:27:42,720
Speaker 1: the podcast studio, soon to be podcasts. We're gonna transport

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00:27:42,760 --> 00:27:44,840
Speaker 1: all the way other across the office to where Todd

492
00:27:44,840 --> 00:27:47,720
Speaker 1: and I sit down and talked about his bear attack.

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00:27:48,359 --> 00:27:50,120
Speaker 1: I don't know that we broke any news on this one,

494
00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:53,280
Speaker 1: but it's, as Yanni said, it's one hell of a story,

495
00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:55,920
Speaker 1: and if you've already heard it, listen to it again.

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00:27:57,200 --> 00:27:59,960
Speaker 1: I think it's probably one of the the most notable

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Speaker 1: bear attacks and modern times. So without further ado, Todd

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00:28:04,280 --> 00:28:10,760
Speaker 1: or good how's it going excellent today, having a good day. Well,

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00:28:10,760 --> 00:28:13,800
Speaker 1: welcome to the Mediator offices here in Bozeman. Thank you

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00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:16,720
Speaker 1: appreciate the offer. And you're a Montana man yourself, right,

501
00:28:17,080 --> 00:28:19,040
Speaker 1: I am. I grew up over in Ennis, Montana and

502
00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:21,600
Speaker 1: Madison Valley, grew up fly fish in the Madison River

503
00:28:21,680 --> 00:28:24,080
Speaker 1: and hunting the mountains around there, and just camping and

504
00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:26,879
Speaker 1: hiking and just life in the outdoors. You're a lucky

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00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:29,520
Speaker 1: man Madison Valley. I killed my first elk in the

506
00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:31,760
Speaker 1: Madison Valley right there by in its lake. That's great.

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00:28:31,840 --> 00:28:35,840
Speaker 1: I've killed like thirty over there. And and I you know,

508
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Speaker 1: I'm from I'm an East Coast kid. I'm from Maryland

509
00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:40,960
Speaker 1: originally in in. In my head when I build up

510
00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:43,640
Speaker 1: hunting in the west, it was the Madison Valley. I

511
00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:46,040
Speaker 1: don't know why I couldn't connect with anything, but when

512
00:28:46,040 --> 00:28:47,520
Speaker 1: I got there and I saw the place, and I

513
00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:51,440
Speaker 1: saw the elkom like yep, You've got the blue sky,

514
00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:54,520
Speaker 1: the mountains, the rivers, the streams. It's a little bit everything.

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00:28:54,520 --> 00:28:56,600
Speaker 1: A little small town of Ennis there. It's a good

516
00:28:56,600 --> 00:28:58,040
Speaker 1: place to grow up, a good place to be. And

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00:28:58,200 --> 00:29:00,520
Speaker 1: you've got a little knife shop over there. Well, I

518
00:29:00,520 --> 00:29:02,480
Speaker 1: live here in Bozeman, but I grew up over there.

519
00:29:02,520 --> 00:29:06,720
Speaker 1: But build custom knives. Sky Blade knives use the best

520
00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:12,520
Speaker 1: stainless steel available and on my own designs and using

521
00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:17,800
Speaker 1: uh different exotic hardwoods for handles, all different you know, design, shape, sizes,

522
00:29:18,040 --> 00:29:20,320
Speaker 1: made to use, and I have a lifetime warranty on

523
00:29:20,360 --> 00:29:22,680
Speaker 1: them as well. That's awesome. That's awesome. I mean we're

524
00:29:23,040 --> 00:29:25,680
Speaker 1: talking about you sit around here and stair computers and

525
00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:28,560
Speaker 1: put the headphones on and talking podcasts. I would much

526
00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:30,920
Speaker 1: rather be a craftsman. It's nice to be out there

527
00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:32,720
Speaker 1: building something in the shop. But at the same time,

528
00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:35,440
Speaker 1: I've got a respirator onto for the dust and the

529
00:29:35,480 --> 00:29:38,400
Speaker 1: metal filings and all these like safety equipment that some

530
00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:40,280
Speaker 1: days I'm just over it, like I tear that off.

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00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:42,160
Speaker 1: I gotta get out of here. I gotta get back outside.

532
00:29:42,520 --> 00:29:44,480
Speaker 1: What's your favorite kind of knife to build? What's you

533
00:29:44,520 --> 00:29:48,200
Speaker 1: have like a signature knife that you build like thirty

534
00:29:48,280 --> 00:29:51,680
Speaker 1: or forty different models, different designs and shapes and sizes.

535
00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:53,280
Speaker 1: So I don't know if they really have a favorite.

536
00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:54,960
Speaker 1: I've got a couple of favorites that I like to use,

537
00:29:55,080 --> 00:29:58,280
Speaker 1: but the white Tail model is my best seller and

538
00:29:58,320 --> 00:30:02,280
Speaker 1: it's the four inch blade and does just works pretty well.

539
00:30:03,080 --> 00:30:05,760
Speaker 1: So you have a degree in fish and wildlife management.

540
00:30:06,320 --> 00:30:09,240
Speaker 1: I got a degree from Montana State University and fishing

541
00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:12,880
Speaker 1: wildlife management, and I don't really use it directly, but

542
00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:15,520
Speaker 1: I do all the trails engineering for the Forest Service

543
00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:18,160
Speaker 1: right now. So any new trails that were building on

544
00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:22,240
Speaker 1: the Gallatin Custer National Forest, I do all the design,

545
00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:26,280
Speaker 1: the survey of the flagging, staking GPS, any contracting that

546
00:30:26,320 --> 00:30:30,360
Speaker 1: we're doing from startup start to finish on like new trails,

547
00:30:30,360 --> 00:30:33,400
Speaker 1: trail reroutes, repairs, bridges, the whole work. So I'm in

548
00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:37,600
Speaker 1: the woods from about April until November hiking, you know,

549
00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:40,520
Speaker 1: daylight to dark, usually by myself. So I was gonna say,

550
00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:41,960
Speaker 1: you spent a lot of time in the wilderness, a

551
00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:43,960
Speaker 1: lot of time in the woods, typically around this this

552
00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:46,479
Speaker 1: general area. And that leads me to the thing that

553
00:30:46,520 --> 00:30:48,880
Speaker 1: you're I don't know if you're reluctantly famous for this,

554
00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:53,200
Speaker 1: but famous for anyway is a bear attack that happened

555
00:30:53,480 --> 00:30:58,240
Speaker 1: um a couple of years back now, And what's interesting

556
00:30:58,280 --> 00:31:00,240
Speaker 1: to me about it, Hopefully people if they know your

557
00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:02,600
Speaker 1: name Todd or and they've seen the now famous video

558
00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:07,360
Speaker 1: of you walking out with with the rather fantastic my

559
00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:11,080
Speaker 1: scalpaying saying yeah, so we'll get to that. I want

560
00:31:11,080 --> 00:31:14,480
Speaker 1: to get to that, that whole story obviously, but it's

561
00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:17,440
Speaker 1: more interesting to me that what happened afterwards, right. You

562
00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:23,440
Speaker 1: upload the video to Facebook, correct, and it gets millions

563
00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:26,320
Speaker 1: of yews within a couple of It was like thirty

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00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:29,400
Speaker 1: nine million views in forty eight hours or something like that. Yes,

565
00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:31,960
Speaker 1: that's unbelievable. And I didn't even know what a viral

566
00:31:32,040 --> 00:31:33,960
Speaker 1: video was at that point. I was just like, I

567
00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:35,680
Speaker 1: have it, or take this video to show a couple

568
00:31:35,680 --> 00:31:38,880
Speaker 1: of buddies. You know, I had pretty crazy weekend, and

569
00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:40,960
Speaker 1: then you know it was crazier than you. Yes, And

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00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:43,440
Speaker 1: then a couple of days later, I'm like, Okay, I

571
00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:45,440
Speaker 1: guess there's probably six or eight guys that I'll want

572
00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:47,040
Speaker 1: to see it, So instead of trying to send it

573
00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:49,280
Speaker 1: separately to each one, I'll just throw it on Facebook

574
00:31:49,280 --> 00:31:51,160
Speaker 1: and I'll have fifty people look at it. You know,

575
00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:53,480
Speaker 1: I didn't realize it would be thirty nine million people

576
00:31:53,520 --> 00:31:57,640
Speaker 1: looking at it, but so get Let's let's go forward

577
00:31:57,680 --> 00:31:59,240
Speaker 1: in time. A little bit forty eight hours after you

578
00:31:59,280 --> 00:32:01,400
Speaker 1: posted in you and you see what it's become. What

579
00:32:01,520 --> 00:32:04,240
Speaker 1: where's your head at? Like what? You know? Well, within

580
00:32:04,320 --> 00:32:06,920
Speaker 1: a couple of hours of posting it, I've my phone

581
00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:09,560
Speaker 1: starts to blow up, and I'm getting texts and emails

582
00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:12,760
Speaker 1: and phone calls and messages, and my voice box fills

583
00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:14,840
Speaker 1: up and and I delete them all because I'm like,

584
00:32:14,840 --> 00:32:16,480
Speaker 1: I don't know what all these numbers are from, you know,

585
00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:19,120
Speaker 1: and start realizing that people are trying to contact me.

586
00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:22,880
Speaker 1: Pretty much every news you know, radio show, news station

587
00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:25,640
Speaker 1: out there is like wants to do an interview. And

588
00:32:25,680 --> 00:32:28,040
Speaker 1: I've got people like, hey, this is so and so

589
00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:31,440
Speaker 1: from CNN and New York and if we can get

590
00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:33,240
Speaker 1: you on a plane in the morning, you know, to

591
00:32:33,280 --> 00:32:35,360
Speaker 1: get you out here for a live interview at eight am.

592
00:32:35,400 --> 00:32:37,360
Speaker 1: And I'm like, I still haven't even washed the blood

593
00:32:37,360 --> 00:32:39,520
Speaker 1: out of my hair yet, you know. So it was

594
00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:41,160
Speaker 1: kind of crazy. You have to go to surgery the

595
00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:43,520
Speaker 1: next day on my arm, and so it was kind

596
00:32:43,520 --> 00:32:45,800
Speaker 1: of out of control. And I'm not the kind of person,

597
00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:47,800
Speaker 1: or wasn't the kind of person that would want to

598
00:32:47,800 --> 00:32:49,880
Speaker 1: sit down and talk to people. I'm kind of do

599
00:32:49,960 --> 00:32:51,520
Speaker 1: my own thing. I don't want to be in front

600
00:32:51,560 --> 00:32:55,040
Speaker 1: of a camera and just like no, no thanks. So

601
00:32:55,080 --> 00:32:57,800
Speaker 1: I didn't respond to anybody. I've got hundreds, probably had

602
00:32:57,840 --> 00:33:01,959
Speaker 1: five emails, and yeah, you know, phone was just blowing up.

603
00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:04,360
Speaker 1: So I just didn't respond to anybody, just deleted everything

604
00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:07,160
Speaker 1: and just kind of trying to heal up and do

605
00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:09,600
Speaker 1: my own thing. But then eventually it's like, okay, it

606
00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:11,920
Speaker 1: wouldn't end. People keep knocking on my door at the

607
00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:14,840
Speaker 1: local news stations, so okay, it's time to do an

608
00:33:14,840 --> 00:33:16,880
Speaker 1: interview and just get them off my back. And then

609
00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:18,400
Speaker 1: I was like, Okay, it's not too bad. I can

610
00:33:18,440 --> 00:33:19,800
Speaker 1: do one more. And then all of a sudden it

611
00:33:19,840 --> 00:33:22,360
Speaker 1: was like, oh podcast, and before I know it, it's

612
00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:24,920
Speaker 1: kind of just on a regular thing. Now still two

613
00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:29,959
Speaker 1: years later, here we still here. We are I love knives.

614
00:33:30,040 --> 00:33:33,120
Speaker 1: We're here to talk about that. Yeah, that's the most

615
00:33:33,240 --> 00:33:35,360
Speaker 1: interesting thing to me about it. What if you had

616
00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:37,640
Speaker 1: to look back on the last couple of years and

617
00:33:37,680 --> 00:33:39,160
Speaker 1: what's going on. Because I have a list here of

618
00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:43,320
Speaker 1: stories on Fox News, CNN, CBS, Huffing, The Post, Daily Caller,

619
00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:45,760
Speaker 1: New York Post, Men's Health, and then pretty much every

620
00:33:45,760 --> 00:33:48,959
Speaker 1: local news channel you can enlist. Many hunting podcasts, including

621
00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:53,280
Speaker 1: Randy Newburgh and others and now here we are. If

622
00:33:53,280 --> 00:33:55,160
Speaker 1: you had to look back on that, what do you

623
00:33:55,840 --> 00:33:58,640
Speaker 1: what do you think it was? It just a sensationalist

624
00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:01,320
Speaker 1: like the video that started it, and all the sensationalist

625
00:34:01,320 --> 00:34:04,040
Speaker 1: were around it. You know, how do you examine that?

626
00:34:04,080 --> 00:34:06,240
Speaker 1: And you're you know, looking back, well, looking back, I

627
00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:08,960
Speaker 1: think a lot of people, you know, I mean I

628
00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:10,680
Speaker 1: always kind of wonder why did this happen? You know,

629
00:34:10,719 --> 00:34:12,520
Speaker 1: why did just blow up like that? And it's like, well,

630
00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:14,400
Speaker 1: a lot of people like the gore side of it

631
00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:17,480
Speaker 1: and my bloody arm with tendons sticking out, but then

632
00:34:17,600 --> 00:34:20,080
Speaker 1: just being attacked by a grizzly bear is pretty rare.

633
00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:22,839
Speaker 1: And then having the video an hour later, as soon

634
00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:24,839
Speaker 1: as I got to the truck into safety, and you know,

635
00:34:24,920 --> 00:34:27,319
Speaker 1: and just the whole story together. And I think people

636
00:34:27,320 --> 00:34:30,120
Speaker 1: are like, how could you even take the time to

637
00:34:30,160 --> 00:34:32,239
Speaker 1: take a video? Why weren't you at the hospital? And

638
00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:34,600
Speaker 1: I'm like, well, you know, I spent an hour hiking out.

639
00:34:34,719 --> 00:34:37,279
Speaker 1: I've assessed my wounds. You know, I know I'm not

640
00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:39,280
Speaker 1: going to bled to death. I'm not going into shock.

641
00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:42,320
Speaker 1: My body's calmed down. The adrenaline rush is starting to fade,

642
00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:45,000
Speaker 1: and it's like, well, another thirty seconds for a video

643
00:34:45,040 --> 00:34:46,960
Speaker 1: really isn't gonna matter. I still have a half hour

644
00:34:47,080 --> 00:34:49,640
Speaker 1: drive to the hospital, and so I think people just

645
00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:52,839
Speaker 1: I don't know, it's just something so different, people off

646
00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:54,520
Speaker 1: guard and they I gotta show my buddy, And it

647
00:34:54,600 --> 00:34:58,280
Speaker 1: just exploded across the world. I mean, different countries offered

648
00:34:58,280 --> 00:35:01,640
Speaker 1: me to fly me to Australia for UH News interview.

649
00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:05,279
Speaker 1: Australians would like something like this, would like that'd be

650
00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:07,000
Speaker 1: a great I'd love to do, but not until I

651
00:35:07,040 --> 00:35:08,880
Speaker 1: heal up. I don't want to sit in a hotel

652
00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:11,399
Speaker 1: room with bandages all over me in Australia for a week.

653
00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:14,520
Speaker 1: But thanks anyway. Do you have any crazy stories from

654
00:35:14,560 --> 00:35:17,040
Speaker 1: all that attention that came up along the way that

655
00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:19,400
Speaker 1: just that shocked you even more than just the normal,

656
00:35:20,120 --> 00:35:22,520
Speaker 1: just more of the thing that people would think that,

657
00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:25,040
Speaker 1: you know, Okay, the next morning, I'm going to get

658
00:35:25,080 --> 00:35:27,200
Speaker 1: on a plane and fly somewhere when I've got tendons

659
00:35:27,239 --> 00:35:29,480
Speaker 1: sticking out of my arm, you know, and my scalps

660
00:35:29,560 --> 00:35:32,400
Speaker 1: hanging off. I just surprised at how much the media

661
00:35:32,520 --> 00:35:34,680
Speaker 1: was like trying to get me to do something, you know,

662
00:35:34,719 --> 00:35:36,520
Speaker 1: and to commit to something and it's just like I

663
00:35:36,600 --> 00:35:38,839
Speaker 1: have surgery, I have a healing to do. I can't

664
00:35:38,840 --> 00:35:41,640
Speaker 1: go anywhere for weeks. I've got a brace on my

665
00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:43,520
Speaker 1: arm that I have to wear for six weeks to

666
00:35:43,680 --> 00:35:46,239
Speaker 1: keep the tendons from tearing out again. And so just

667
00:35:46,239 --> 00:35:48,880
Speaker 1: a little crazy how quickly that went. And so what

668
00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:53,719
Speaker 1: you're saying, they didn't really care about you the story? Yeah, yeah,

669
00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:55,440
Speaker 1: So I mean I think it boils down to I

670
00:35:55,440 --> 00:35:58,359
Speaker 1: always say, like I think news is always butcher spy,

671
00:35:58,480 --> 00:36:01,760
Speaker 1: like things become more controversial, more attention when there's video involved,

672
00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:04,680
Speaker 1: especially in social media. So I think this boiled down

673
00:36:04,680 --> 00:36:06,480
Speaker 1: to a lot of a lot of the attention boils

674
00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:08,840
Speaker 1: down to the fact that you you had the mindset

675
00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:11,040
Speaker 1: to take the video. You know, I think most people

676
00:36:11,160 --> 00:36:13,600
Speaker 1: I remember watching the first time, going he took a video.

677
00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:17,080
Speaker 1: This guy is and he's talking like, hey, how's it going.

678
00:36:18,080 --> 00:36:20,799
Speaker 1: Half my head's hanging off, you know. So let's let's

679
00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:23,000
Speaker 1: we gotta cover that. We gotta take people through like

680
00:36:23,040 --> 00:36:25,520
Speaker 1: the moment that you picked your phone up and started

681
00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:28,080
Speaker 1: to record, like you you're kind of already going over that,

682
00:36:28,080 --> 00:36:30,719
Speaker 1: but take us a little deeper into you know what

683
00:36:30,760 --> 00:36:33,399
Speaker 1: you were thinking, Well, It wasn't until I got back

684
00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:36,280
Speaker 1: to the truck, you know, after the whole the both attacks,

685
00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:38,200
Speaker 1: and I've got an hour hike out, and the whole

686
00:36:38,200 --> 00:36:40,440
Speaker 1: time hiking out, I'm just like paying attention. Okay, I

687
00:36:40,440 --> 00:36:43,279
Speaker 1: could run into another bear here or something. So I'm

688
00:36:43,280 --> 00:36:45,760
Speaker 1: looking at my wounds and I'm watching got bear spray

689
00:36:45,800 --> 00:36:48,080
Speaker 1: in my hand and a gun in this hand. And

690
00:36:48,080 --> 00:36:49,560
Speaker 1: and it wasn't until I got to the truck and

691
00:36:49,600 --> 00:36:52,520
Speaker 1: I finally finally felt like, Okay, I'm safe. You know,

692
00:36:52,560 --> 00:36:54,400
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna bleed to death. I'm not going to

693
00:36:54,440 --> 00:36:57,040
Speaker 1: get attacked again. I'm at the truck, and my first

694
00:36:57,040 --> 00:36:59,400
Speaker 1: thought was there's going to be other people coming up

695
00:36:59,440 --> 00:37:02,040
Speaker 1: here on Saturday morning of both season to go hunt,

696
00:37:02,120 --> 00:37:04,040
Speaker 1: and so I need to like warn people of this

697
00:37:04,120 --> 00:37:06,200
Speaker 1: aggressive bear. And so I was thinking, well, I'll put

698
00:37:06,239 --> 00:37:09,840
Speaker 1: a note on the bulletin board and try to warn people,

699
00:37:09,880 --> 00:37:11,960
Speaker 1: but you know, dripping blood all over and I couldn't

700
00:37:11,960 --> 00:37:14,720
Speaker 1: get my arm to move, so that didn't work. I'm like, Okay,

701
00:37:14,760 --> 00:37:16,320
Speaker 1: I guess it's just time to go to the hospital.

702
00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:18,839
Speaker 1: And I'm like, God, I better record that's real quick.

703
00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:20,600
Speaker 1: I don't know. I just was like I gotta show

704
00:37:20,600 --> 00:37:22,600
Speaker 1: a couple of buddies how crazy my weekend is. And

705
00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:24,840
Speaker 1: there's a couple of friends of mine that we always

706
00:37:24,840 --> 00:37:27,000
Speaker 1: at the end of the weekend would share a hunting stories.

707
00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:28,840
Speaker 1: Two guys are kind of like my best friends, and

708
00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:30,680
Speaker 1: it's like we always like, hey, what did you see?

709
00:37:30,680 --> 00:37:32,560
Speaker 1: How did you do this weekend? And it was kind

710
00:37:32,560 --> 00:37:34,759
Speaker 1: of those two guys were on my mind, and it

711
00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:36,600
Speaker 1: wasn't until like the next day when I'm like, well,

712
00:37:36,600 --> 00:37:38,279
Speaker 1: there's a couple other guys that I'll want to see it.

713
00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:41,040
Speaker 1: And I really had never even thought about, you know,

714
00:37:41,080 --> 00:37:42,560
Speaker 1: putting it out there like this is going to be

715
00:37:42,600 --> 00:37:44,640
Speaker 1: some great video people want to see. This is just

716
00:37:44,680 --> 00:37:46,400
Speaker 1: like well, And that's why I think it came across

717
00:37:46,440 --> 00:37:49,000
Speaker 1: as pretty real, because it was it wasn't me like

718
00:37:49,440 --> 00:37:52,839
Speaker 1: trying to set something up. You were trying to drive.

719
00:37:52,920 --> 00:37:55,239
Speaker 1: I didn't even that it wasn't my things. It was

720
00:37:55,280 --> 00:37:57,440
Speaker 1: just like, take this video to show some people that

721
00:37:57,480 --> 00:38:00,439
Speaker 1: are friends. You know, stuff can happen out there. Got

722
00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:02,560
Speaker 1: to be careful and were you fairly acting on social

723
00:38:02,600 --> 00:38:05,200
Speaker 1: media before that or posting a lot. All I ever

724
00:38:05,239 --> 00:38:09,560
Speaker 1: did was post like photos like about once every six months,

725
00:38:09,560 --> 00:38:11,719
Speaker 1: Like maybe I went to southern Utah hiking. So I

726
00:38:11,840 --> 00:38:14,160
Speaker 1: just put an album up with thirty photos just so

727
00:38:14,239 --> 00:38:16,000
Speaker 1: my friends could see photos. And that was it. I

728
00:38:16,040 --> 00:38:19,319
Speaker 1: never posted anything and talked about anything or zero. If

729
00:38:19,320 --> 00:38:21,360
Speaker 1: you go back and look at the history, there was

730
00:38:21,400 --> 00:38:25,600
Speaker 1: like nothing except some pictures posted for like five years

731
00:38:25,719 --> 00:38:28,560
Speaker 1: until two years ago. Then it all changed. I still

732
00:38:28,560 --> 00:38:29,960
Speaker 1: don't do it a lot. I try to just keep

733
00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:31,520
Speaker 1: up with a few things and let people know what's

734
00:38:31,520 --> 00:38:35,680
Speaker 1: going on, but not a daily poster. Usually it's hard

735
00:38:35,719 --> 00:38:37,759
Speaker 1: to be when you live a life outside. Yeah, well

736
00:38:37,840 --> 00:38:39,719
Speaker 1: let's get into the actual story if for those who

737
00:38:39,760 --> 00:38:42,000
Speaker 1: don't know, we'll try to get as much detail into

738
00:38:42,040 --> 00:38:47,280
Speaker 1: that day as as possible. Um. October one, I would

739
00:38:47,360 --> 00:38:50,920
Speaker 1: like I would say this is probably, you know, in

740
00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:53,239
Speaker 1: the modern era, or at least in the social media,

741
00:38:53,560 --> 00:38:57,520
Speaker 1: probably the most famous bear attack that there is. I mean,

742
00:38:57,520 --> 00:38:59,920
Speaker 1: I've thought about this, and I thought about other bear

743
00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:03,000
Speaker 1: attacks and other attacks that we've known of, and try

744
00:39:03,080 --> 00:39:05,319
Speaker 1: to compare like the iconic image of you walking out

745
00:39:06,040 --> 00:39:08,680
Speaker 1: I'll being at your truck there, um, And that's what

746
00:39:08,920 --> 00:39:12,200
Speaker 1: that would be my take on it. Just just how

747
00:39:12,280 --> 00:39:15,400
Speaker 1: much people were drawn to that and we're drawn to

748
00:39:15,560 --> 00:39:17,760
Speaker 1: like what the words you were saying as you're filming

749
00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:19,440
Speaker 1: in the videos, right, So I think it's important that

750
00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:23,480
Speaker 1: people understand from soup to nuts exactly what happened. So,

751
00:39:24,040 --> 00:39:28,200
Speaker 1: you know, October one, I think let's first set the scene,

752
00:39:28,239 --> 00:39:31,120
Speaker 1: like what are you hunting? Where are you and why?

753
00:39:31,280 --> 00:39:33,840
Speaker 1: Why are you there? Okay, it was during both season,

754
00:39:34,239 --> 00:39:36,319
Speaker 1: and it was a Saturday morning. I've been working for

755
00:39:36,360 --> 00:39:38,399
Speaker 1: the Fourth Service for the last couple of months, like

756
00:39:38,440 --> 00:39:40,279
Speaker 1: sixty hours a week, trying to get all of our

757
00:39:40,320 --> 00:39:43,040
Speaker 1: trail work done. So I finally had a day off

758
00:39:43,080 --> 00:39:44,920
Speaker 1: and I'm like, Okay, I got these things done. I

759
00:39:44,960 --> 00:39:46,480
Speaker 1: can go out and just do my own thing and

760
00:39:46,560 --> 00:39:49,200
Speaker 1: hike on my own time. And I thought, well, it's

761
00:39:49,600 --> 00:39:52,040
Speaker 1: you know, hunting season, the regular general seasons coming up

762
00:39:52,040 --> 00:39:53,560
Speaker 1: in a couple of weeks, so I'm just gonna get

763
00:39:53,560 --> 00:39:55,360
Speaker 1: out and start get up in the high country and

764
00:39:55,400 --> 00:39:57,200
Speaker 1: look around and see if I can locate some milk

765
00:39:57,239 --> 00:39:58,719
Speaker 1: and get an idea where I might want to go

766
00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:01,480
Speaker 1: hunting later. So I got up early in the morning

767
00:40:02,239 --> 00:40:05,640
Speaker 1: and drove over to Annis and hiked up by Sphinx

768
00:40:05,680 --> 00:40:08,040
Speaker 1: Mountain is where I was at over in the Madison Valley,

769
00:40:08,200 --> 00:40:11,160
Speaker 1: and I got to the trailhead hit probably an hour

770
00:40:11,239 --> 00:40:14,400
Speaker 1: before daylight. And it's usually when I'm hunting or doing anything,

771
00:40:14,440 --> 00:40:16,399
Speaker 1: I'm always up early. So I'm up there early, get

772
00:40:16,480 --> 00:40:18,120
Speaker 1: up to the high country at daylight when I had

773
00:40:18,239 --> 00:40:20,200
Speaker 1: when I would have the best chance to see some milk.

774
00:40:21,040 --> 00:40:22,880
Speaker 1: So i get my pack on, my bear spray of

775
00:40:22,920 --> 00:40:25,719
Speaker 1: my pistol, and and I had a wolf tag. And

776
00:40:25,719 --> 00:40:27,200
Speaker 1: I've never shot a wolf, and I thought, well, the

777
00:40:27,200 --> 00:40:29,400
Speaker 1: wolf season was open, so I'll carry have my pistol

778
00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:30,879
Speaker 1: with me in case I get a chance at wolf.

779
00:40:30,960 --> 00:40:32,960
Speaker 1: But otherwise I wasn't hunting at all. That was just

780
00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:36,080
Speaker 1: more of a scouting for elk pistol you carry at

781
00:40:36,080 --> 00:40:38,440
Speaker 1: this time. I've got a ten mm it's a nineteen

782
00:40:38,480 --> 00:40:41,480
Speaker 1: eleven Rock Island Armory tenem M and I've got a

783
00:40:41,480 --> 00:40:43,360
Speaker 1: scope on it. I made a scope mount for it,

784
00:40:43,719 --> 00:40:46,960
Speaker 1: a regular pistol. I really long, I really scope on it.

785
00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:49,680
Speaker 1: So it really wasn't a good bear protection. It wasn't

786
00:40:49,719 --> 00:40:52,399
Speaker 1: fu because it's this big heavy thing that you can't

787
00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:55,759
Speaker 1: really a good round. Yeah, but you'd be point and

788
00:40:55,760 --> 00:40:58,000
Speaker 1: shoot with the scope if something's charging you, and it's

789
00:40:58,000 --> 00:41:00,160
Speaker 1: not a quick draw. I had just a shoulder holes her,

790
00:41:00,239 --> 00:41:02,759
Speaker 1: but really wasn't concerned about bears. I mean, I know

791
00:41:02,840 --> 00:41:04,360
Speaker 1: they're out there. I spent a lot of time in

792
00:41:04,400 --> 00:41:07,000
Speaker 1: the woods. I see bears all the time, but usually

793
00:41:07,040 --> 00:41:09,520
Speaker 1: they go the other direction or they kind of watch

794
00:41:09,520 --> 00:41:11,799
Speaker 1: you and they kind of meander off. I didn't think

795
00:41:11,800 --> 00:41:13,239
Speaker 1: there was going to be an issue, so that wasn't

796
00:41:13,239 --> 00:41:15,439
Speaker 1: my concern. Had my bear spray just in case as well,

797
00:41:16,120 --> 00:41:18,680
Speaker 1: and took off up the trail in the dark, and

798
00:41:18,800 --> 00:41:21,000
Speaker 1: just a little flashlight out there, and just every you know,

799
00:41:21,080 --> 00:41:23,080
Speaker 1: minute or thirty seconds, i'd just be like, hey, bear

800
00:41:23,160 --> 00:41:25,160
Speaker 1: coming up the trail, just in case. It's like, I

801
00:41:25,200 --> 00:41:27,759
Speaker 1: don't want to run into one of the dark for sure.

802
00:41:28,040 --> 00:41:30,640
Speaker 1: I'm it's one of my life out there, so aware

803
00:41:30,680 --> 00:41:32,239
Speaker 1: of it. I know there's bears in the area. I

804
00:41:32,239 --> 00:41:34,759
Speaker 1: see the sign a lot all the time. And so

805
00:41:34,800 --> 00:41:37,040
Speaker 1: I'm working my way up the trail and it's about

806
00:41:37,080 --> 00:41:39,520
Speaker 1: three or three and a half miles up and just

807
00:41:39,560 --> 00:41:41,640
Speaker 1: starting to get daylight, and I step out into this

808
00:41:41,719 --> 00:41:43,680
Speaker 1: opening and I'm kind of in a hurry because I'm

809
00:41:43,680 --> 00:41:45,560
Speaker 1: trying to get up as far as I can by daylight.

810
00:41:45,600 --> 00:41:48,640
Speaker 1: So I'm I'm just moving along pretty fast pace, and

811
00:41:48,640 --> 00:41:50,400
Speaker 1: I step out into this opening and look up, and

812
00:41:50,440 --> 00:41:52,440
Speaker 1: at the other end of the opening, this sal grizzly

813
00:41:52,560 --> 00:41:54,799
Speaker 1: and two cubs just step out and we see each

814
00:41:54,840 --> 00:41:57,319
Speaker 1: other at the same time. Both of us stop and

815
00:41:57,360 --> 00:41:59,400
Speaker 1: I'm like, well, there's a grizzly bear. And she turns

816
00:41:59,400 --> 00:42:01,800
Speaker 1: immediately and runs up the trail and over the ridge

817
00:42:01,840 --> 00:42:03,799
Speaker 1: and just just far away when she when you first

818
00:42:03,800 --> 00:42:07,480
Speaker 1: saw her, this is like eight yards away. Maybe yeah, well,

819
00:42:07,520 --> 00:42:10,240
Speaker 1: I mean it's yeah, not not something that's really concerned

820
00:42:10,239 --> 00:42:12,040
Speaker 1: about this point. I'm like, okay, I don't need to

821
00:42:12,040 --> 00:42:14,040
Speaker 1: even have bear spray out yet. It's clear up there.

822
00:42:14,080 --> 00:42:16,560
Speaker 1: She's running over the ridge, not too worried. So I

823
00:42:16,560 --> 00:42:18,840
Speaker 1: wait about a minute and didn't see her. So I'm like, okay,

824
00:42:18,880 --> 00:42:20,879
Speaker 1: she's gone. I'll never see you the rest of the day.

825
00:42:20,920 --> 00:42:23,160
Speaker 1: So I'll just go the opposite direction and do my

826
00:42:23,239 --> 00:42:26,600
Speaker 1: thing all day, no big deal. And so I took

827
00:42:26,600 --> 00:42:29,080
Speaker 1: a few steps up the trail heading the other other direction,

828
00:42:29,160 --> 00:42:31,600
Speaker 1: and I heard something and noise at branch or something

829
00:42:31,640 --> 00:42:33,719
Speaker 1: caught my attention, and I turned and looked over my

830
00:42:33,800 --> 00:42:36,880
Speaker 1: left shoulder, and she had dropped her cubs and had

831
00:42:36,920 --> 00:42:39,360
Speaker 1: circled around the ridge and came in behind me, probably

832
00:42:39,400 --> 00:42:41,840
Speaker 1: down wind to get my scent. And as I turned,

833
00:42:41,880 --> 00:42:43,080
Speaker 1: I see her out of the corner of my eye

834
00:42:43,120 --> 00:42:47,440
Speaker 1: and she's coming over the ridge, wide open charge, and

835
00:42:47,480 --> 00:42:50,120
Speaker 1: her ears are laid back, and she's just screaming through

836
00:42:50,120 --> 00:42:53,880
Speaker 1: the brush. Stuff's flying, and she's just full charge. And

837
00:42:53,920 --> 00:42:55,640
Speaker 1: so I have my bear spray hanging right I on

838
00:42:55,680 --> 00:42:59,000
Speaker 1: a chest holster, and I just instinctively pulled my bear spray,

839
00:42:59,040 --> 00:43:01,799
Speaker 1: pulled the safety clip out just in case, look back up,

840
00:43:01,920 --> 00:43:04,000
Speaker 1: kind of expecting a bluff charge. And look back up,

841
00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:06,080
Speaker 1: and there she has like thirty feet She covered that

842
00:43:06,120 --> 00:43:09,960
Speaker 1: distantantly two seconds. And she's not slowing down, she's not

843
00:43:10,000 --> 00:43:12,520
Speaker 1: bluff charging, she's not checking me out. She has her

844
00:43:12,560 --> 00:43:15,960
Speaker 1: ears laid back in a full charge. And I just

845
00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:17,960
Speaker 1: took a couple of steps back and started spraying, and

846
00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:20,480
Speaker 1: I just gave a blast of bear spray right in

847
00:43:20,520 --> 00:43:23,719
Speaker 1: her face, and immediately she just came right through it.

848
00:43:23,760 --> 00:43:26,040
Speaker 1: Her just her momentum at that speed just carried her

849
00:43:26,080 --> 00:43:28,400
Speaker 1: through the bear spray, all that weight and coming down

850
00:43:28,680 --> 00:43:31,240
Speaker 1: and it just took only, you know, a couple of seconds,

851
00:43:31,280 --> 00:43:32,719
Speaker 1: and she was right there on me, and I just

852
00:43:32,760 --> 00:43:34,880
Speaker 1: turned and went down on my face with my hands

853
00:43:34,880 --> 00:43:37,400
Speaker 1: behind the back of my neck, and she pretty much

854
00:43:37,480 --> 00:43:40,680
Speaker 1: knocked me down and uh, the bear spray you know,

855
00:43:40,920 --> 00:43:43,040
Speaker 1: didn't affect her immediately, but it took with like three

856
00:43:43,120 --> 00:43:45,000
Speaker 1: or four seconds, and she started coughing. But she was

857
00:43:45,040 --> 00:43:46,799
Speaker 1: able to bite me four or five times on my

858
00:43:46,880 --> 00:43:49,359
Speaker 1: right arm and my shoulder and then she started making

859
00:43:49,360 --> 00:43:51,600
Speaker 1: this coughing sound and took off just that quick, she

860
00:43:51,680 --> 00:43:53,880
Speaker 1: was gone. I didn't know where she was. I picked

861
00:43:53,920 --> 00:43:56,400
Speaker 1: myself up and like, wow, I got some puncture wounds

862
00:43:56,400 --> 00:43:59,080
Speaker 1: on my arm. But you remember it ever slowing down

863
00:43:59,120 --> 00:44:01,520
Speaker 1: at any point like I've had. I had another guy

864
00:44:01,520 --> 00:44:03,719
Speaker 1: on the podcast that was attacked by baron a falk neck,

865
00:44:03,719 --> 00:44:05,640
Speaker 1: and he talked about a flow state, you know, being

866
00:44:05,960 --> 00:44:11,040
Speaker 1: being having the ability to move, but his mind was

867
00:44:11,080 --> 00:44:13,520
Speaker 1: slowed down to the point where he could, yeah, it's

868
00:44:13,560 --> 00:44:16,200
Speaker 1: two or three seconds, but he can remember every you know,

869
00:44:16,560 --> 00:44:19,520
Speaker 1: every motion, every little thing that happened. You get feeled

870
00:44:19,560 --> 00:44:22,720
Speaker 1: at in the second attack that did. But the first attack,

871
00:44:22,760 --> 00:44:26,920
Speaker 1: it just happened so quickly that it was just like boom, bite, bite, bite,

872
00:44:26,920 --> 00:44:28,919
Speaker 1: It's over. She's gone that quick. You didn't have time

873
00:44:28,960 --> 00:44:32,319
Speaker 1: to kind of like just know. It just feels so fast,

874
00:44:32,360 --> 00:44:34,640
Speaker 1: it was just done. I'm just surprised, and all of

875
00:44:34,680 --> 00:44:37,279
Speaker 1: a sudden it's over. So I picked myself up and

876
00:44:37,320 --> 00:44:39,560
Speaker 1: I'm like, wow, that was crazy. Just got attacked by

877
00:44:39,560 --> 00:44:42,520
Speaker 1: a grizzly bear and I'm alive. That's good. Bear spray worked.

878
00:44:42,800 --> 00:44:44,680
Speaker 1: Just took a couple of seconds, you know, And I

879
00:44:44,719 --> 00:44:46,640
Speaker 1: looked down. I got some puncture wounds and I'm bleeding,

880
00:44:46,640 --> 00:44:48,640
Speaker 1: and like, all right, nothing's broke. I'm just going to

881
00:44:48,760 --> 00:44:51,000
Speaker 1: head down to the hospital and get some stitches. You know,

882
00:44:51,080 --> 00:44:52,760
Speaker 1: it's kind of a crazy morning, all of a sudden.

883
00:44:52,760 --> 00:44:55,000
Speaker 1: Did you think about what her intent was at that point,

884
00:44:55,080 --> 00:44:57,600
Speaker 1: Like was she just giving you a warning shot or

885
00:44:57,840 --> 00:45:00,360
Speaker 1: she just well it just you know, most bears will,

886
00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:02,600
Speaker 1: you know, they'll stop and check you out and see

887
00:45:02,600 --> 00:45:05,000
Speaker 1: what you are, bluff charge or stand up, snap their

888
00:45:05,080 --> 00:45:08,040
Speaker 1: jaws or something, or maybe blow by you, but they

889
00:45:08,120 --> 00:45:10,919
Speaker 1: rarely actually attack you. And so this is I thought

890
00:45:10,960 --> 00:45:12,640
Speaker 1: it was kind of rare. She was more aggressive than

891
00:45:12,680 --> 00:45:16,359
Speaker 1: most bears have seen most bear behavior, and apparently I

892
00:45:16,480 --> 00:45:18,279
Speaker 1: was just too close to her. I was a threat

893
00:45:18,320 --> 00:45:21,440
Speaker 1: to her cubs. And even though it was a hundred

894
00:45:21,520 --> 00:45:23,520
Speaker 1: yards from her cubs, at least, you know, still I

895
00:45:23,560 --> 00:45:25,279
Speaker 1: was still a threat, and she got my went down

896
00:45:25,360 --> 00:45:27,480
Speaker 1: wind of me, got my wind and decided that's it,

897
00:45:27,520 --> 00:45:29,719
Speaker 1: I'm getting him. So it was. It was pretty rare,

898
00:45:29,760 --> 00:45:31,840
Speaker 1: I think for a bear to come in that quick

899
00:45:31,840 --> 00:45:35,160
Speaker 1: and not even hesitate. But I just picked myself up

900
00:45:35,200 --> 00:45:36,680
Speaker 1: and said, all right, I got a head down the

901
00:45:36,680 --> 00:45:38,600
Speaker 1: trail and go down and get some stitches. And I

902
00:45:38,600 --> 00:45:40,040
Speaker 1: thought that was the end of it. Yeah. Do you

903
00:45:40,040 --> 00:45:45,080
Speaker 1: remember immediate pain or did it? Was? It just was

904
00:45:45,120 --> 00:45:47,880
Speaker 1: there a pragmatic nature because I've again talked to other

905
00:45:47,920 --> 00:45:49,960
Speaker 1: folks have been attacked by bears, and it always seems

906
00:45:49,960 --> 00:45:51,400
Speaker 1: like I got to this point, then I went to

907
00:45:51,520 --> 00:45:53,040
Speaker 1: this point, then I went at this point, a very

908
00:45:53,040 --> 00:45:56,239
Speaker 1: formulaic way to approach after the fact. Yeah, well, the

909
00:45:56,360 --> 00:45:59,520
Speaker 1: first bite. I remember that, that first bite, the excruciating

910
00:45:59,600 --> 00:46:01,680
Speaker 1: pain right was right in my shoulder, I think, the

911
00:46:01,719 --> 00:46:04,480
Speaker 1: first bite. So I remember that. And then, you know,

912
00:46:04,520 --> 00:46:06,640
Speaker 1: like I said that, that first attack was so quick

913
00:46:06,680 --> 00:46:08,480
Speaker 1: that it was just four or five bites and just

914
00:46:08,520 --> 00:46:10,520
Speaker 1: like three seconds and then it was over. And so

915
00:46:10,560 --> 00:46:12,480
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, you're like, wow, okay, yeah that hurts,

916
00:46:12,520 --> 00:46:14,319
Speaker 1: you know, you you know, big inch and a half

917
00:46:14,440 --> 00:46:17,160
Speaker 1: canine buried into your arm muscle and if you definitely

918
00:46:17,200 --> 00:46:19,719
Speaker 1: feel it so, but your adrenaline is going to so

919
00:46:19,800 --> 00:46:21,880
Speaker 1: you're kind of like, wow, that's crazy, and you're not

920
00:46:21,920 --> 00:46:24,120
Speaker 1: really thinking about the pain. You're just making sure you're

921
00:46:24,400 --> 00:46:26,799
Speaker 1: not going to bleed out. And then got ahead to

922
00:46:26,800 --> 00:46:28,960
Speaker 1: the hospital and get some stitches and call it a day,

923
00:46:28,960 --> 00:46:31,440
Speaker 1: you know, get it was all over, Yeah, okay, and

924
00:46:31,520 --> 00:46:33,279
Speaker 1: then you uh, you got going to the truck and

925
00:46:33,440 --> 00:46:36,880
Speaker 1: then and then so about five minutes down the trail

926
00:46:37,200 --> 00:46:40,040
Speaker 1: and the trail kind of goes right across the crosses

927
00:46:40,080 --> 00:46:42,399
Speaker 1: the creek there, and so I'm a few hundred yards

928
00:46:42,440 --> 00:46:44,319
Speaker 1: down the trail and I can't really hear too much

929
00:46:44,360 --> 00:46:46,560
Speaker 1: because of the water in the creek there, and all

930
00:46:46,600 --> 00:46:48,759
Speaker 1: of a sudden something just got my attention to a

931
00:46:48,760 --> 00:46:51,400
Speaker 1: little noise or something. I turned and here she was

932
00:46:51,520 --> 00:46:54,000
Speaker 1: right behind me, ten feet at this time, coming wide

933
00:46:54,000 --> 00:46:55,919
Speaker 1: open again, and I've got bear spray in my hand,

934
00:46:55,920 --> 00:46:57,840
Speaker 1: and there wasn't even time to do anything. It was

935
00:46:57,880 --> 00:46:59,759
Speaker 1: like I caught her out of the glimpse, out of

936
00:46:59,760 --> 00:47:02,160
Speaker 1: the corner of my eye and boom, I'm knocked down

937
00:47:02,160 --> 00:47:04,480
Speaker 1: on my face right in the rocks by the creek.

938
00:47:05,200 --> 00:47:07,000
Speaker 1: And immediately she is on top of me, and this

939
00:47:07,040 --> 00:47:09,640
Speaker 1: time she's really mad and she's her first bite was

940
00:47:09,680 --> 00:47:11,879
Speaker 1: in my left forearm. I had my hands up behind

941
00:47:11,920 --> 00:47:14,279
Speaker 1: my head again protecting the back of my neck. And

942
00:47:14,320 --> 00:47:16,879
Speaker 1: the first bite was in my left forearm, forearm, and

943
00:47:16,960 --> 00:47:19,560
Speaker 1: it ripped two of the tendons out and broke my

944
00:47:19,680 --> 00:47:21,239
Speaker 1: arm the all on the bone of my arm and

945
00:47:21,280 --> 00:47:23,759
Speaker 1: just crushed it right there. And I remember that the

946
00:47:24,120 --> 00:47:27,040
Speaker 1: immediate pain and just the feeling in the sound of that,

947
00:47:27,080 --> 00:47:28,520
Speaker 1: and I just kind of I winced. I kind of

948
00:47:28,560 --> 00:47:31,880
Speaker 1: went and pulled my arm away, and that motion in

949
00:47:31,880 --> 00:47:34,400
Speaker 1: that sound just triggered like a frenzy, and she just

950
00:47:34,920 --> 00:47:36,759
Speaker 1: grabbed ahold of me, picked me up and she was

951
00:47:36,760 --> 00:47:41,200
Speaker 1: shaking me. She'd slammed me down. She bit me times

952
00:47:41,200 --> 00:47:43,800
Speaker 1: in my right arm and my shoulder. At one point

953
00:47:43,840 --> 00:47:45,759
Speaker 1: she bit me in the side and it kind of

954
00:47:45,800 --> 00:47:48,120
Speaker 1: turned me. And I remember just seeing her head like

955
00:47:48,160 --> 00:47:50,040
Speaker 1: a foot from mine, looking right in her eye, and

956
00:47:50,040 --> 00:47:51,880
Speaker 1: I'm just like, no, pull it back in, and I

957
00:47:51,960 --> 00:47:55,040
Speaker 1: just used every bit of strength that I had to

958
00:47:55,160 --> 00:47:58,400
Speaker 1: hold that face down position, protecting the sides of my

959
00:47:58,480 --> 00:48:01,040
Speaker 1: face and my eyes and my vital and trying not

960
00:48:01,080 --> 00:48:04,359
Speaker 1: to let her flip me over. Are there any real

961
00:48:04,480 --> 00:48:07,120
Speaker 1: visceral memories like the smell of her breath or the

962
00:48:07,200 --> 00:48:10,200
Speaker 1: feeling of her claws or is there anything? Yeah, this

963
00:48:10,360 --> 00:48:12,319
Speaker 1: this attack, you know, I remember the pain of that

964
00:48:12,360 --> 00:48:14,560
Speaker 1: first bite, and then your adrenaline kicks in and it's

965
00:48:14,560 --> 00:48:17,040
Speaker 1: that will to survive, and I just I don't remember

966
00:48:17,080 --> 00:48:19,200
Speaker 1: anymore pain after that. But it's like all the other

967
00:48:19,560 --> 00:48:21,879
Speaker 1: senses are heightened. It's like I can remember how bad

968
00:48:21,960 --> 00:48:25,000
Speaker 1: she's stunck. Just the smell of rotten death at whoever

969
00:48:25,040 --> 00:48:27,239
Speaker 1: she had been eating or rolling in, you know. And

970
00:48:27,280 --> 00:48:30,879
Speaker 1: then just hearing I could hear, you know, every bite.

971
00:48:30,920 --> 00:48:33,960
Speaker 1: You could hear the crunch of that big canine buring

972
00:48:34,000 --> 00:48:36,960
Speaker 1: into your arm muscle. It's like you hear this crunching sound,

973
00:48:37,000 --> 00:48:39,799
Speaker 1: you're smeller. I can feel her like breathing on the

974
00:48:39,840 --> 00:48:41,960
Speaker 1: back of my neck, and that was probably the aerius part,

975
00:48:42,040 --> 00:48:44,640
Speaker 1: was just hearing and breathing the sound in this the

976
00:48:44,760 --> 00:48:46,680
Speaker 1: feeling that breath on the back of my neck just

977
00:48:46,760 --> 00:48:49,640
Speaker 1: inches from my spine, and I'm just like, you know,

978
00:48:49,719 --> 00:48:51,920
Speaker 1: one bite in there and that's over. That could be

979
00:48:51,920 --> 00:48:54,359
Speaker 1: paralyzed or bleed out or whatever. So I just kept

980
00:48:54,360 --> 00:48:57,200
Speaker 1: telling myself don't move, she's gonna leave, she's gonna get

981
00:48:57,280 --> 00:48:59,160
Speaker 1: she's gonna go check on her cubs. You just got

982
00:48:59,160 --> 00:49:01,800
Speaker 1: to ride this out. And that was my whole focus.

983
00:49:01,840 --> 00:49:04,200
Speaker 1: I told myself that a hundred times. In my head.

984
00:49:04,200 --> 00:49:06,319
Speaker 1: It was like, don't move, she's gonna leave. Just just

985
00:49:06,400 --> 00:49:08,960
Speaker 1: hold it down. And at one point I remember a

986
00:49:09,719 --> 00:49:11,560
Speaker 1: clock caught the side of my scalp and that's what

987
00:49:11,680 --> 00:49:13,759
Speaker 1: ripped that big five inch gash. And my scalp was

988
00:49:13,840 --> 00:49:16,319
Speaker 1: hanging over my eyes filled with blood, so I can't

989
00:49:16,360 --> 00:49:19,759
Speaker 1: see anything. You know, She's just a crazy situation. Just

990
00:49:19,840 --> 00:49:22,000
Speaker 1: she's picking me up, slamming me into the dirt, you know,

991
00:49:22,120 --> 00:49:23,920
Speaker 1: my face into the dirt, just shaking me like a

992
00:49:24,000 --> 00:49:28,000
Speaker 1: rag doll. I was just helpless, and as helpless is

993
00:49:28,040 --> 00:49:30,160
Speaker 1: something I think that when you listen to the accounts

994
00:49:30,200 --> 00:49:33,600
Speaker 1: of attacks of this nature, there's nothing but helplessness. I mean,

995
00:49:33,640 --> 00:49:35,440
Speaker 1: I think when all of us think, oh, the bear

996
00:49:35,480 --> 00:49:37,480
Speaker 1: is gonna attack me, I've got my bear spread, I've

997
00:49:37,480 --> 00:49:41,320
Speaker 1: got my pistol, I've got my wits. But in most cases,

998
00:49:41,400 --> 00:49:43,680
Speaker 1: and in a lot of cases, especially yours, that you

999
00:49:43,719 --> 00:49:45,759
Speaker 1: are helpless and all you can do is lay there

1000
00:49:46,320 --> 00:49:48,000
Speaker 1: and what it what interests me the most is as

1001
00:49:48,080 --> 00:49:50,480
Speaker 1: you're laying there, that the thought process that you have,

1002
00:49:50,640 --> 00:49:52,359
Speaker 1: because you're not at me that I'm gonna die. I'm dead.

1003
00:49:52,400 --> 00:49:55,560
Speaker 1: I'm dead, I'm gonna die. You're thinking through, Okay, if

1004
00:49:55,560 --> 00:49:59,640
Speaker 1: this white Lands here, this this happens, what's the next

1005
00:50:00,520 --> 00:50:04,480
Speaker 1: what's the next result. You're talking about an animal that can,

1006
00:50:04,600 --> 00:50:07,720
Speaker 1: you know, kill an elk with one bite or squatter bison,

1007
00:50:07,840 --> 00:50:10,200
Speaker 1: you know, whatever they can. They're just a killing machine.

1008
00:50:10,560 --> 00:50:12,879
Speaker 1: And so I have absolutely no chance to fight back

1009
00:50:12,920 --> 00:50:15,960
Speaker 1: against this thing to grizzly bear, especially a big grizzly bear.

1010
00:50:16,320 --> 00:50:18,399
Speaker 1: So I knew my only the only thing I could

1011
00:50:18,400 --> 00:50:20,839
Speaker 1: do was to just play dead and hope she would leave.

1012
00:50:20,880 --> 00:50:23,040
Speaker 1: I couldn't fight back. I thought about trying to get

1013
00:50:23,040 --> 00:50:24,840
Speaker 1: to my pistol, but I didn't want to get flipped

1014
00:50:24,840 --> 00:50:26,560
Speaker 1: over on my back and then have her ripped my

1015
00:50:26,600 --> 00:50:29,439
Speaker 1: face open or my throat or something. But I think it's,

1016
00:50:30,520 --> 00:50:31,920
Speaker 1: you know, one of the things that that will to

1017
00:50:32,040 --> 00:50:35,320
Speaker 1: survive and knowing that there's nothing you can do. And

1018
00:50:35,480 --> 00:50:38,879
Speaker 1: so I had people ask me it's like, oh, did

1019
00:50:38,880 --> 00:50:41,160
Speaker 1: you did you see your life flash before your eyes?

1020
00:50:41,200 --> 00:50:43,120
Speaker 1: You know? And when I first start doing interviews and

1021
00:50:43,360 --> 00:50:45,560
Speaker 1: everybody asked that. I'm like, yeah, I thought I was

1022
00:50:45,560 --> 00:50:47,520
Speaker 1: going to die, but then I got to thinking about it,

1023
00:50:47,600 --> 00:50:49,480
Speaker 1: you know, more recently, it's like, I don't think that

1024
00:50:49,560 --> 00:50:51,440
Speaker 1: ever crossed my mind that I was going to die,

1025
00:50:51,560 --> 00:50:53,759
Speaker 1: because you're in that survival mode. You're not in the

1026
00:50:53,880 --> 00:50:56,000
Speaker 1: dying mode. You're like, what do I do to live?

1027
00:50:56,040 --> 00:50:57,680
Speaker 1: How do I live? I gotta get through this. I

1028
00:50:57,680 --> 00:50:59,480
Speaker 1: don't want to die. You don't give up. You never

1029
00:50:59,520 --> 00:51:01,600
Speaker 1: seem to. You know, people don't give up when it

1030
00:51:01,600 --> 00:51:04,160
Speaker 1: comes to something like that. You keep fighting back somehow. Yeah,

1031
00:51:04,160 --> 00:51:06,759
Speaker 1: I always think that, I think, And again, it's it's

1032
00:51:06,800 --> 00:51:08,279
Speaker 1: cool to hear you say that because I've heard it

1033
00:51:08,280 --> 00:51:10,920
Speaker 1: from other folks similar in similar situations. You think about

1034
00:51:10,960 --> 00:51:14,000
Speaker 1: your death after, like when it's calmed down and you

1035
00:51:14,040 --> 00:51:16,120
Speaker 1: can be able to then reflect on how close you came,

1036
00:51:17,200 --> 00:51:19,520
Speaker 1: But during it, I think it's important for people to know.

1037
00:51:20,280 --> 00:51:22,360
Speaker 1: I think it's important to have these conversations so people

1038
00:51:22,360 --> 00:51:24,960
Speaker 1: can can hear these, because if it happens to you,

1039
00:51:24,960 --> 00:51:27,360
Speaker 1: you have to have some perspective that it is, that

1040
00:51:27,440 --> 00:51:30,080
Speaker 1: it is always about survival, and that's that's your survival

1041
00:51:30,080 --> 00:51:32,960
Speaker 1: instincts are real and they do kick in, and that

1042
00:51:33,040 --> 00:51:35,560
Speaker 1: fear and that angs about death. It doesn't have time

1043
00:51:35,600 --> 00:51:38,920
Speaker 1: to kind of poke its way into your thoughts, right, Yeah, absolutely,

1044
00:51:38,960 --> 00:51:41,600
Speaker 1: I think. And the more you think about your situation

1045
00:51:41,719 --> 00:51:44,680
Speaker 1: prior to, like the attack, having you know, practiced my

1046
00:51:44,760 --> 00:51:47,400
Speaker 1: bear spray, having thought about, okay, what happens today if

1047
00:51:47,440 --> 00:51:49,319
Speaker 1: I run into a bear? What am I going to do?

1048
00:51:49,480 --> 00:51:51,960
Speaker 1: And the more you think about that and are more

1049
00:51:52,000 --> 00:51:56,200
Speaker 1: aware of you know, bare behavior and bear safety, then

1050
00:51:56,320 --> 00:51:59,560
Speaker 1: if that situation does happen, it's muscle memory. You just

1051
00:51:59,600 --> 00:52:02,400
Speaker 1: autumn radically you do something. I didn't think about pulling

1052
00:52:02,440 --> 00:52:04,919
Speaker 1: my bear spray. I automatically pulled my bear spray because

1053
00:52:04,920 --> 00:52:08,640
Speaker 1: I've practiced it five times. You know, I didn't think about, okay,

1054
00:52:08,640 --> 00:52:10,360
Speaker 1: go down and protect the back of your neck. I

1055
00:52:10,400 --> 00:52:12,080
Speaker 1: just did it. All of a sudden, I'm in curled

1056
00:52:12,160 --> 00:52:14,239
Speaker 1: up in a ball, face down, playing dead, and it's

1057
00:52:14,280 --> 00:52:16,200
Speaker 1: like I didn't I didn't have to go through my head.

1058
00:52:16,239 --> 00:52:19,000
Speaker 1: It just happened because you've been I've thought about it

1059
00:52:19,000 --> 00:52:20,960
Speaker 1: before I'd practiced that, I knew what I needed to

1060
00:52:21,000 --> 00:52:23,839
Speaker 1: do to survive the situation. And so I think that's

1061
00:52:23,840 --> 00:52:26,319
Speaker 1: important to tell people's like, you know, you can't just

1062
00:52:26,360 --> 00:52:28,200
Speaker 1: go buy bear spray off the shelf and then go

1063
00:52:28,200 --> 00:52:29,839
Speaker 1: out there and start hiking and I'll send a bar

1064
00:52:29,960 --> 00:52:32,960
Speaker 1: charges you and expect to do everything right. You're probably

1065
00:52:32,960 --> 00:52:35,480
Speaker 1: gonna panic, scream and run as your fall down on

1066
00:52:37,320 --> 00:52:39,400
Speaker 1: something you know or not or forgets you have it

1067
00:52:39,440 --> 00:52:41,200
Speaker 1: on you. You You know. It's like you have to practice

1068
00:52:41,200 --> 00:52:43,560
Speaker 1: those things so it becomes a muscle memory and becomes

1069
00:52:43,560 --> 00:52:45,839
Speaker 1: instinctive and you do it and that's how you're going

1070
00:52:45,880 --> 00:52:48,040
Speaker 1: to survive. Yeah, I feel strongly. I mean it's a

1071
00:52:48,160 --> 00:52:53,520
Speaker 1: very practical thought process and survival survival nowadays if you

1072
00:52:53,640 --> 00:52:55,719
Speaker 1: read the books and watch the TV shows will come

1073
00:52:55,760 --> 00:52:58,399
Speaker 1: about survival skills like being able to start a fire

1074
00:52:58,440 --> 00:53:01,759
Speaker 1: with a bow and stick. To me, it's less that's

1075
00:53:02,000 --> 00:53:03,680
Speaker 1: like how do you think about where you are and

1076
00:53:03,760 --> 00:53:07,120
Speaker 1: what you're doing, and how your thought processes lead to

1077
00:53:07,320 --> 00:53:10,200
Speaker 1: preparate you know, being prepared with something like this does happen.

1078
00:53:10,239 --> 00:53:11,919
Speaker 1: So it sounds to me like you you had done

1079
00:53:11,960 --> 00:53:15,279
Speaker 1: that work. I think spending my life in the outdoors,

1080
00:53:15,360 --> 00:53:17,880
Speaker 1: you know, ever since a kid in Montana and bear country,

1081
00:53:17,880 --> 00:53:19,960
Speaker 1: and I had seen bears as a kid and talking

1082
00:53:20,000 --> 00:53:22,640
Speaker 1: about it with my my dad and my parents out

1083
00:53:22,680 --> 00:53:24,560
Speaker 1: camping and knowing what to do and want not to do.

1084
00:53:24,760 --> 00:53:27,800
Speaker 1: And then thirty almost thirty years with the four Service,

1085
00:53:27,840 --> 00:53:31,799
Speaker 1: and I've taken bear awareness and bear safety classes and

1086
00:53:31,880 --> 00:53:35,080
Speaker 1: bear identification classes. I've carried the bear spray. I've known

1087
00:53:35,080 --> 00:53:38,000
Speaker 1: what to do, and I think that's that makes a

1088
00:53:38,000 --> 00:53:40,520
Speaker 1: difference for sure. And you can't just plan to go

1089
00:53:40,560 --> 00:53:42,920
Speaker 1: out there without any knowledge or any practice and and

1090
00:53:43,680 --> 00:53:46,560
Speaker 1: you know, succeed at something in that situation. All right, Well,

1091
00:53:46,600 --> 00:53:49,640
Speaker 1: let's let's get back to you know, the bear is

1092
00:53:49,719 --> 00:53:53,359
Speaker 1: mauling you, Like, there's a quote, Let's go back to that. Yeah, okay, Yeah,

1093
00:53:53,360 --> 00:53:56,759
Speaker 1: we'll come back to that. Then that's great. Yes, there's

1094
00:53:56,760 --> 00:53:58,600
Speaker 1: a quote that I read that you said the weirdest

1095
00:53:58,640 --> 00:54:00,239
Speaker 1: moment of the whole thing was feeling her alls on

1096
00:54:00,280 --> 00:54:03,200
Speaker 1: my lower back, all her weight on me. She was

1097
00:54:03,239 --> 00:54:06,520
Speaker 1: panting and sniffing the back of my neck. Um, So

1098
00:54:06,920 --> 00:54:09,359
Speaker 1: what happened after that? Yeah, so she's got me pinned

1099
00:54:09,400 --> 00:54:11,200
Speaker 1: to the ground. I got I got a little scars

1100
00:54:11,280 --> 00:54:13,160
Speaker 1: right below my belt line where she had me, just

1101
00:54:13,400 --> 00:54:14,799
Speaker 1: all her weight on top of me, and I can

1102
00:54:14,840 --> 00:54:17,280
Speaker 1: barely breathe, but I'm trying not to make any noise.

1103
00:54:17,360 --> 00:54:21,560
Speaker 1: I'm trying to breathe quietly, and and then this crazy situation,

1104
00:54:21,680 --> 00:54:24,400
Speaker 1: so she doesn't keep chewing on me, and she'd sniffed

1105
00:54:24,440 --> 00:54:27,160
Speaker 1: the back of my neck and then she'd like bite

1106
00:54:27,160 --> 00:54:29,479
Speaker 1: my shoulder, and then she'd stopped and she'd sniff again,

1107
00:54:29,480 --> 00:54:31,480
Speaker 1: and then she'd bite. And it was more of like

1108
00:54:31,560 --> 00:54:34,239
Speaker 1: this last few seconds as her like nipping on me,

1109
00:54:34,280 --> 00:54:37,160
Speaker 1: it was more like testing to see if I was incapacitated,

1110
00:54:37,160 --> 00:54:39,600
Speaker 1: if the threat was over, if I was dead, So

1111
00:54:39,680 --> 00:54:42,319
Speaker 1: instead of like just trash me around, it's just checking me.

1112
00:54:42,320 --> 00:54:44,480
Speaker 1: And it's like I had all these like bruises that

1113
00:54:44,520 --> 00:54:47,120
Speaker 1: were in like marks that were like dog bites or

1114
00:54:47,160 --> 00:54:50,320
Speaker 1: something that didn't just put the pressure, yeah, just pressure

1115
00:54:50,320 --> 00:54:52,239
Speaker 1: and just testing me, testing me. And she did that

1116
00:54:52,320 --> 00:54:54,920
Speaker 1: a dozen times probably, and then she just stopped and

1117
00:54:54,920 --> 00:54:57,280
Speaker 1: she was just standing there and it was like dead quiet.

1118
00:54:57,480 --> 00:54:59,799
Speaker 1: I'll remember that. It was like so quiet nothing. I'm

1119
00:54:59,840 --> 00:55:02,480
Speaker 1: like I could feel her weight, but she's not even breathing,

1120
00:55:02,480 --> 00:55:04,840
Speaker 1: you know nothing. I'm just like trying not to breathe myself.

1121
00:55:05,600 --> 00:55:07,440
Speaker 1: And I think she was probably just looking around to

1122
00:55:07,480 --> 00:55:09,480
Speaker 1: see if there was any other threat or where her

1123
00:55:09,520 --> 00:55:12,239
Speaker 1: cubs might be, and checking the situation out and then

1124
00:55:12,280 --> 00:55:14,160
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, she just stepped off me and

1125
00:55:14,160 --> 00:55:17,080
Speaker 1: I remember just that I can take a deep breath again,

1126
00:55:17,080 --> 00:55:19,480
Speaker 1: and she stepped off and disappeared. And so I just

1127
00:55:19,520 --> 00:55:22,760
Speaker 1: held that position for like thirty seconds and like not moving. Okay,

1128
00:55:22,840 --> 00:55:24,959
Speaker 1: is she ten feet away? Is she gonna bite me again?

1129
00:55:25,000 --> 00:55:27,400
Speaker 1: I'm just waiting for that attack again or that bite

1130
00:55:27,800 --> 00:55:31,000
Speaker 1: and nothing, no sound, And I'm like, okay, maybe she's gone.

1131
00:55:31,080 --> 00:55:34,200
Speaker 1: But if I, you know, make a movement or something

1132
00:55:34,239 --> 00:55:36,040
Speaker 1: like that and she's right there watching me, I'm gonna

1133
00:55:36,040 --> 00:55:38,680
Speaker 1: get attacked again. So I just held the position, and

1134
00:55:38,719 --> 00:55:41,200
Speaker 1: I got to thinking if she goes back and checks

1135
00:55:41,200 --> 00:55:42,920
Speaker 1: on her cubs and they're still up a tree or

1136
00:55:42,920 --> 00:55:45,000
Speaker 1: wherever she put him, and then she's like, okay, let's

1137
00:55:45,000 --> 00:55:46,719
Speaker 1: come back and see if the threat still here, and

1138
00:55:46,760 --> 00:55:48,920
Speaker 1: I'm still there, She's gonna attack me again because I'm

1139
00:55:48,960 --> 00:55:51,319
Speaker 1: still a threat to her. So I decided I gotta

1140
00:55:51,440 --> 00:55:53,399
Speaker 1: protect myself. I gotta get out of here, I gotta

1141
00:55:53,440 --> 00:55:57,040
Speaker 1: do something. So I really slowly pulled my my arm

1142
00:55:57,080 --> 00:55:59,040
Speaker 1: down from I had my arms behind my head still,

1143
00:55:59,080 --> 00:56:01,440
Speaker 1: pulled one arm down and reached under from my pistol

1144
00:56:01,440 --> 00:56:03,840
Speaker 1: that I had in a shoulder holster, and I remember

1145
00:56:03,840 --> 00:56:05,600
Speaker 1: reaching in there and it was like, where is it.

1146
00:56:05,480 --> 00:56:08,879
Speaker 1: It's gone. I can't find it. So I'm like, okay, relaxed, Todd.

1147
00:56:09,040 --> 00:56:11,480
Speaker 1: Just reached for your pistol that's right there under your

1148
00:56:11,880 --> 00:56:13,840
Speaker 1: your armpit, you know. And so I reached again and

1149
00:56:13,840 --> 00:56:15,840
Speaker 1: realized that it had been ripped off during the attack.

1150
00:56:15,880 --> 00:56:17,440
Speaker 1: And so I don't know where the pistol is. My

1151
00:56:17,520 --> 00:56:21,120
Speaker 1: bear spray is gone. I can't see anything. I'm completely helpless.

1152
00:56:21,480 --> 00:56:23,359
Speaker 1: So I really slowly reached up and kind of wiped

1153
00:56:23,400 --> 00:56:25,680
Speaker 1: some blood from my eyes and looked each direction, kind

1154
00:56:25,680 --> 00:56:27,760
Speaker 1: of under my arm, and I didn't see her anywhere,

1155
00:56:27,760 --> 00:56:29,920
Speaker 1: but my pistol was laying over there, about ten or

1156
00:56:29,920 --> 00:56:32,880
Speaker 1: fifteen feet away, and I just gove for the pistol

1157
00:56:32,920 --> 00:56:35,240
Speaker 1: and pulled it out of the holster, hammer back, like okay,

1158
00:56:35,280 --> 00:56:38,240
Speaker 1: I'm ready now, and she was gone. She wasn't there anywhere.

1159
00:56:38,280 --> 00:56:40,560
Speaker 1: So I I'm like, okay, I gotta get out of here.

1160
00:56:40,560 --> 00:56:43,680
Speaker 1: I need to put distance between her and I and

1161
00:56:43,960 --> 00:56:47,080
Speaker 1: my left arm, broken arm with tendon sticking out. My

1162
00:56:47,120 --> 00:56:49,239
Speaker 1: wrist is all curled under and it's just useless. So

1163
00:56:49,280 --> 00:56:51,719
Speaker 1: I tucked the pistol under my armpit right here where

1164
00:56:51,719 --> 00:56:54,040
Speaker 1: I could grab it easily, picked up the bear spray

1165
00:56:54,080 --> 00:56:56,040
Speaker 1: in this hand and just kind of with this arm

1166
00:56:56,080 --> 00:56:58,560
Speaker 1: against my side and just took off down the trail

1167
00:56:58,600 --> 00:57:00,520
Speaker 1: and just said, okay, I gotta get distant down there.

1168
00:57:00,520 --> 00:57:02,000
Speaker 1: And so I went far did you have to get

1169
00:57:02,080 --> 00:57:04,360
Speaker 1: to the safety. It was about three and a half miles,

1170
00:57:04,400 --> 00:57:06,799
Speaker 1: like an hour hike out there, and it's a trail

1171
00:57:06,880 --> 00:57:09,320
Speaker 1: down the canyon, across the creek a couple of times,

1172
00:57:09,360 --> 00:57:11,920
Speaker 1: and it's bear country, so you know, it's like you

1173
00:57:11,920 --> 00:57:13,919
Speaker 1: could run into another barrit eight o'clock in the morning

1174
00:57:13,920 --> 00:57:15,600
Speaker 1: on the way out, and I was thinking about that, going,

1175
00:57:15,600 --> 00:57:21,600
Speaker 1: oh jeez, this is the third time. So after like

1176
00:57:21,800 --> 00:57:24,000
Speaker 1: fifteen minutes of hiking, I'm down the trail like a

1177
00:57:24,000 --> 00:57:26,480
Speaker 1: mile or something, and then I, you know, I'm starting

1178
00:57:26,480 --> 00:57:28,680
Speaker 1: to calm down, going okay, she's not going to attack

1179
00:57:28,760 --> 00:57:30,640
Speaker 1: me again. You know, she's way back up there with

1180
00:57:30,680 --> 00:57:32,840
Speaker 1: her cubs. I've got nothing to worry about. So I

1181
00:57:32,840 --> 00:57:35,320
Speaker 1: stopped and just checked my wounds and you know, to

1182
00:57:35,360 --> 00:57:38,520
Speaker 1: see if I need some you know, bandaging or turniquet

1183
00:57:38,560 --> 00:57:40,480
Speaker 1: or something. How bad am I bleeding. I didn't want to,

1184
00:57:40,520 --> 00:57:42,000
Speaker 1: you know, bleed out on the way to the truck

1185
00:57:42,080 --> 00:57:43,360
Speaker 1: kind of thing. And so I got to think it

1186
00:57:43,400 --> 00:57:45,160
Speaker 1: about that now that I'm calmed down a little bit

1187
00:57:45,440 --> 00:57:47,400
Speaker 1: and everything, you know, I still had blood dripping off

1188
00:57:47,400 --> 00:57:49,840
Speaker 1: my elbows and soaking through my shirt into my pants,

1189
00:57:49,840 --> 00:57:52,120
Speaker 1: but I could tell there was no severed arteries. I'm

1190
00:57:52,160 --> 00:57:53,680
Speaker 1: not going to bleed to death. And I'm like, okay,

1191
00:57:53,920 --> 00:57:56,400
Speaker 1: just keep going, get to the truck and then you

1192
00:57:56,400 --> 00:57:58,000
Speaker 1: can do some first age. So you were trying to

1193
00:57:58,120 --> 00:58:00,480
Speaker 1: traveling and assessing at the same time. I was, yeah,

1194
00:58:00,480 --> 00:58:02,200
Speaker 1: I would like be hiking, and I kind of stopped,

1195
00:58:02,240 --> 00:58:04,080
Speaker 1: kind of looked down at my elbows, my arms and

1196
00:58:04,120 --> 00:58:06,360
Speaker 1: just make sure there was nothing, no no guts hanging out,

1197
00:58:06,400 --> 00:58:09,000
Speaker 1: you know, anything like that. So I'm okay, And I

1198
00:58:09,120 --> 00:58:11,640
Speaker 1: stopped I think twice on the way down, and took

1199
00:58:11,640 --> 00:58:13,360
Speaker 1: me about an hour to hike out of there, and

1200
00:58:13,600 --> 00:58:15,520
Speaker 1: I finally got to the truck at the end there

1201
00:58:15,520 --> 00:58:17,720
Speaker 1: and right to the trailhead, and it was just like

1202
00:58:17,760 --> 00:58:20,200
Speaker 1: a relief, like, Okay, I've made it to the truck.

1203
00:58:20,320 --> 00:58:22,800
Speaker 1: I'm not in shock, I'm not bleeding out. I didn't

1204
00:58:22,840 --> 00:58:25,920
Speaker 1: get attacked again. There's bears, your mountain lions waiting for

1205
00:58:26,000 --> 00:58:27,600
Speaker 1: me down here, and I'm good to go. I'm gonna

1206
00:58:27,600 --> 00:58:29,240
Speaker 1: make it. I'm gonna survive at this How much of

1207
00:58:29,280 --> 00:58:31,920
Speaker 1: that hour do you remember, like what was going through

1208
00:58:31,920 --> 00:58:34,600
Speaker 1: your head during that time? Was it still was it

1209
00:58:34,680 --> 00:58:37,360
Speaker 1: still very pragmatic or had it kind of scattered a

1210
00:58:37,360 --> 00:58:40,240
Speaker 1: bit at your thoughts? I think it was still, I mean,

1211
00:58:40,560 --> 00:58:43,040
Speaker 1: trying to think back at it, I remember that constantly

1212
00:58:43,080 --> 00:58:45,000
Speaker 1: thinking about what was going on around me. I mean,

1213
00:58:45,040 --> 00:58:47,280
Speaker 1: I like watching behind me, watching up on the hill,

1214
00:58:47,400 --> 00:58:48,880
Speaker 1: just to make sure I wouldn't run in. You know,

1215
00:58:48,920 --> 00:58:51,040
Speaker 1: like I said, there could have been another bear, and

1216
00:58:51,080 --> 00:58:52,600
Speaker 1: it's like if there is another bear, I gotta make

1217
00:58:52,600 --> 00:58:54,080
Speaker 1: sure I avoid it because there's no way I can

1218
00:58:54,120 --> 00:58:57,280
Speaker 1: fight back at this point or protect myself. I can't

1219
00:58:57,280 --> 00:58:59,600
Speaker 1: hardly hold a pistol or anything, and this arm is useless.

1220
00:59:00,080 --> 00:59:02,560
Speaker 1: So I remember watching that constantly around me as I'm

1221
00:59:02,640 --> 00:59:04,720
Speaker 1: hiking out, and then at the same time kind of

1222
00:59:04,720 --> 00:59:08,440
Speaker 1: assessing the wounds as I'm going. And beyond that, it

1223
00:59:08,520 --> 00:59:11,200
Speaker 1: was more of just like over and over in my head,

1224
00:59:11,240 --> 00:59:13,720
Speaker 1: like you're almost there, here, almost there, You're almost to

1225
00:59:13,800 --> 00:59:16,400
Speaker 1: the truck. It's everything's good to go. You're gonna make it.

1226
00:59:16,440 --> 00:59:19,760
Speaker 1: You're gonna survive this. And I wasn't really thinking about

1227
00:59:19,800 --> 00:59:21,040
Speaker 1: what I was gonna do when I got there. I

1228
00:59:21,120 --> 00:59:22,400
Speaker 1: just knew I had to get to the truck and

1229
00:59:22,400 --> 00:59:25,320
Speaker 1: get to the hospital. Yeah. Well, yeah, if there's any

1230
00:59:25,320 --> 00:59:26,640
Speaker 1: time in your life you know what you have to do,

1231
00:59:27,040 --> 00:59:30,080
Speaker 1: it would be that, get in my truck and go.

1232
00:59:30,640 --> 00:59:32,640
Speaker 1: I wasn't looking for elk or anything at that point.

1233
00:59:32,640 --> 00:59:35,320
Speaker 1: I wasn't scouting out any elk or anything. But if

1234
00:59:35,320 --> 00:59:38,200
Speaker 1: you saw like a big bull, really don't get a

1235
00:59:38,200 --> 00:59:40,280
Speaker 1: photo of him. But I can't hold the camera, so

1236
00:59:40,640 --> 00:59:43,880
Speaker 1: skip that. Today that would have been a view said, well,

1237
00:59:43,920 --> 00:59:46,400
Speaker 1: I stopped to glass first, I saw a bullet, stopped,

1238
00:59:47,520 --> 00:59:51,400
Speaker 1: didn't go that farm there. When you get back to

1239
00:59:51,400 --> 00:59:55,360
Speaker 1: the truck and you know you're in safety. Um. Other

1240
00:59:55,400 --> 00:59:57,920
Speaker 1: attack survivors I've talked to you, they talk about you

1241
00:59:57,960 --> 01:00:00,720
Speaker 1: know either I've heard it a couple of different ways.

1242
01:00:00,760 --> 01:00:03,440
Speaker 1: I've heard like the shakiness of the adrenaline and kind

1243
01:00:03,480 --> 01:00:06,280
Speaker 1: of the feeling of the jitteriness. And then I've heard

1244
01:00:06,320 --> 01:00:10,080
Speaker 1: like the the the intense calm, and like the stiffening

1245
01:00:10,080 --> 01:00:13,680
Speaker 1: of posture, and like the forcible. I will live through this,

1246
01:00:13,680 --> 01:00:16,000
Speaker 1: this is not it for me, Like or you where

1247
01:00:16,040 --> 01:00:18,000
Speaker 1: were you in that well it had been it had

1248
01:00:18,040 --> 01:00:20,160
Speaker 1: been like an hour since the attack and I've had

1249
01:00:20,200 --> 01:00:22,560
Speaker 1: all this time to think about it and what just happened,

1250
01:00:22,560 --> 01:00:24,920
Speaker 1: and you know, running it through my head and then

1251
01:00:25,520 --> 01:00:27,600
Speaker 1: just the relief of getting to the truck and getting

1252
01:00:27,600 --> 01:00:29,760
Speaker 1: to the trailhead out of the canyon, I would, you know,

1253
01:00:29,840 --> 01:00:33,280
Speaker 1: to safety, and I felt I think, you know, that

1254
01:00:33,360 --> 01:00:35,200
Speaker 1: a lot of the adrenaline and war off by then,

1255
01:00:35,320 --> 01:00:37,040
Speaker 1: and I was feeling a lot of pain. My left

1256
01:00:37,160 --> 01:00:39,680
Speaker 1: arm was just excruciating pain, like it was in advice

1257
01:00:39,760 --> 01:00:41,920
Speaker 1: from the tendons sticking out and the broken you know,

1258
01:00:41,960 --> 01:00:44,240
Speaker 1: all the nerve damage, a lot of nerve damage, and

1259
01:00:44,280 --> 01:00:47,040
Speaker 1: so the I felt pretty calm. I didn't feel like

1260
01:00:47,080 --> 01:00:49,720
Speaker 1: I was in shock or had that adrenaline rush anymore.

1261
01:00:49,720 --> 01:00:52,840
Speaker 1: It was just like, Okay, I survived this, you know that,

1262
01:00:53,120 --> 01:00:55,360
Speaker 1: you know Plan B here, next step is to get

1263
01:00:55,400 --> 01:00:59,400
Speaker 1: to the hospital. And really hadn't you know, I wasn't

1264
01:00:59,640 --> 01:01:02,640
Speaker 1: nerv anymore. I wasn't I don't know, I've I've probably

1265
01:01:02,640 --> 01:01:04,320
Speaker 1: could have joked about it at that point, if there

1266
01:01:04,360 --> 01:01:06,240
Speaker 1: was someone else there, I could have been like, how

1267
01:01:06,240 --> 01:01:08,919
Speaker 1: do I look? You know? An So it's a bad

1268
01:01:08,920 --> 01:01:12,680
Speaker 1: hair day, but because you know, because I felt so

1269
01:01:12,800 --> 01:01:15,720
Speaker 1: relieved that I was I was okay, I survived this.

1270
01:01:15,840 --> 01:01:18,080
Speaker 1: I'm not you know, it's just it's it's it's it's

1271
01:01:18,120 --> 01:01:19,840
Speaker 1: not over. I've got a lot of rehab to do,

1272
01:01:20,000 --> 01:01:23,760
Speaker 1: but the death, the life threatening situation is over. And

1273
01:01:23,800 --> 01:01:26,600
Speaker 1: that was just a complete relief during the whole you know,

1274
01:01:26,680 --> 01:01:28,520
Speaker 1: from the time of the attack until you get back

1275
01:01:28,520 --> 01:01:31,240
Speaker 1: to your truck. Were there any you know, people that

1276
01:01:31,400 --> 01:01:35,000
Speaker 1: kept popping into your head, voices or experiences. Were there

1277
01:01:35,000 --> 01:01:37,320
Speaker 1: anything that you called back to, you know, during I

1278
01:01:37,320 --> 01:01:38,920
Speaker 1: guess what I would image would be a lot of

1279
01:01:39,000 --> 01:01:41,920
Speaker 1: terror and just a lot of you know, craziness. Were

1280
01:01:41,960 --> 01:01:43,919
Speaker 1: there things that you called back to in your life

1281
01:01:44,000 --> 01:01:47,560
Speaker 1: or people that you thought about? Um, I don't really

1282
01:01:47,600 --> 01:01:49,840
Speaker 1: think there was much at that point. It was more of,

1283
01:01:50,120 --> 01:01:52,560
Speaker 1: you know, everything. My whole focus that entire time was

1284
01:01:52,600 --> 01:01:54,880
Speaker 1: on that survival mode. And I you know, it's like,

1285
01:01:55,600 --> 01:01:57,240
Speaker 1: you know, people had asked me, it's like that, you know,

1286
01:01:57,280 --> 01:01:59,640
Speaker 1: your life flash before your eyes and you remember these

1287
01:01:59,640 --> 01:02:02,040
Speaker 1: people and you know that in your life and wish

1288
01:02:02,040 --> 01:02:03,800
Speaker 1: you had said something or all that, But that, like

1289
01:02:03,840 --> 01:02:06,000
Speaker 1: the I told you that never happened because you're in

1290
01:02:06,000 --> 01:02:08,480
Speaker 1: a survival mode. You're not thinking you're dead at this point.

1291
01:02:08,480 --> 01:02:11,120
Speaker 1: You're like, you're still gonna make it somehow. So it

1292
01:02:11,240 --> 01:02:14,400
Speaker 1: was all about just getting back, getting to safety, and

1293
01:02:14,400 --> 01:02:16,960
Speaker 1: then like, Okay, I gotta get to the hospital. You know.

1294
01:02:17,000 --> 01:02:19,000
Speaker 1: I knew I had to call my girlfriend and let

1295
01:02:19,000 --> 01:02:20,440
Speaker 1: her know what was going on that was going to

1296
01:02:20,560 --> 01:02:22,880
Speaker 1: be something, and let my parents know. My parents were

1297
01:02:22,920 --> 01:02:24,600
Speaker 1: on vacation, you know. So I'm like, well, I'm not

1298
01:02:24,600 --> 01:02:26,960
Speaker 1: going to bother them until after the whole day of

1299
01:02:27,040 --> 01:02:29,040
Speaker 1: surgery and getting switched up, and then I'll give him

1300
01:02:29,040 --> 01:02:32,200
Speaker 1: a call. But I did on my drive out, I

1301
01:02:32,240 --> 01:02:35,040
Speaker 1: did uh call my girlfriend and just say it was

1302
01:02:35,040 --> 01:02:37,080
Speaker 1: like eight thirty in the morning now, And so she

1303
01:02:37,160 --> 01:02:39,080
Speaker 1: answers the phone. It's kind of funny. She answers the

1304
01:02:39,080 --> 01:02:40,760
Speaker 1: phone like oh hi, and I'm like, hey, how you doing.

1305
01:02:41,160 --> 01:02:42,920
Speaker 1: She's like, oh, I just getting ready to go have

1306
01:02:43,080 --> 01:02:46,800
Speaker 1: coffee with her girlfriend, and and I'm like okay, and

1307
01:02:46,800 --> 01:02:48,960
Speaker 1: and she's like, well, why are you calling me? Aren't you?

1308
01:02:49,400 --> 01:02:50,640
Speaker 1: I thought you were gonna be up on top of

1309
01:02:50,680 --> 01:02:52,400
Speaker 1: the mountain all day. And I'm like, well, I had

1310
01:02:52,400 --> 01:02:54,480
Speaker 1: a little situation. And so then I told her I

1311
01:02:54,600 --> 01:02:57,200
Speaker 1: got attacked by a bear. And she was a nursing school,

1312
01:02:57,200 --> 01:02:58,360
Speaker 1: so I knew she was going to have a lot

1313
01:02:58,440 --> 01:03:01,160
Speaker 1: of questions. And so I'm like, I've got a broken arm,

1314
01:03:01,200 --> 01:03:03,440
Speaker 1: I've got tendons or something sticking out of my arm,

1315
01:03:03,440 --> 01:03:05,080
Speaker 1: I've got a big cut on my head, but I'm

1316
01:03:05,120 --> 01:03:07,840
Speaker 1: not bleeding to death, and I'm driving myself to the hospital.

1317
01:03:07,880 --> 01:03:10,280
Speaker 1: And and so she had a couple more questions, and

1318
01:03:10,280 --> 01:03:11,560
Speaker 1: then I said, all right, if you can meet me

1319
01:03:11,600 --> 01:03:14,280
Speaker 1: at the hospital with some some clean clothes and uh,

1320
01:03:14,400 --> 01:03:16,760
Speaker 1: we'll see in an hour or so. And other than that,

1321
01:03:16,800 --> 01:03:19,120
Speaker 1: I just was like heading to the hospital. That was

1322
01:03:19,160 --> 01:03:21,680
Speaker 1: my focus. And then when you get to the hospital

1323
01:03:21,720 --> 01:03:26,200
Speaker 1: and you said you kind of list out all your injuries. Um,

1324
01:03:26,240 --> 01:03:28,800
Speaker 1: I read that the doctor spent eight hours stitching up,

1325
01:03:29,080 --> 01:03:32,880
Speaker 1: you know, twenty six inches of different parts of your body. Yeah.

1326
01:03:32,960 --> 01:03:35,600
Speaker 1: Well I was. I was driving to the hospital, and

1327
01:03:35,720 --> 01:03:37,400
Speaker 1: I well, on the way down to the hospital, I

1328
01:03:37,480 --> 01:03:39,720
Speaker 1: ran into a rancher that was getting into his mailbox

1329
01:03:39,760 --> 01:03:42,560
Speaker 1: that morning, and and uh, I kind of flagged him

1330
01:03:42,560 --> 01:03:44,240
Speaker 1: over and he saw the bloodle over me. I told

1331
01:03:44,320 --> 01:03:46,640
Speaker 1: him I was attacked by a bear. And I said, hey,

1332
01:03:46,680 --> 01:03:48,840
Speaker 1: can you call the hospital? And just give him heads

1333
01:03:48,880 --> 01:03:50,600
Speaker 1: up that I'm coming in, so I don't walk in

1334
01:03:50,720 --> 01:03:53,959
Speaker 1: looking like this and surprise everybody. And he had asked

1335
01:03:54,000 --> 01:03:55,720
Speaker 1: if I needed a ride, and I said no, I've

1336
01:03:55,800 --> 01:03:57,840
Speaker 1: now already got a mess at my bloody mess in

1337
01:03:57,880 --> 01:03:59,200
Speaker 1: my own truck. I don't want to make a mess

1338
01:03:59,200 --> 01:04:01,640
Speaker 1: eagers too, And so I went ahead and drove myself in.

1339
01:04:02,400 --> 01:04:04,680
Speaker 1: And when I got to the hospital about thirty minutes later,

1340
01:04:04,680 --> 01:04:07,400
Speaker 1: I pulled into the emergency entrance there and there was

1341
01:04:07,440 --> 01:04:10,160
Speaker 1: a sheriff and a doctor and a nurse all standing

1342
01:04:10,160 --> 01:04:12,480
Speaker 1: out there waiting for me. They'd got the word, and

1343
01:04:12,480 --> 01:04:14,800
Speaker 1: so I pulled up there and tried to put my

1344
01:04:14,800 --> 01:04:16,880
Speaker 1: truck into park. But at this time, it's almost two

1345
01:04:16,920 --> 01:04:18,760
Speaker 1: hours or an hour and a half since my attack,

1346
01:04:18,920 --> 01:04:21,360
Speaker 1: and I can't hardly lift my arms. All these wounds

1347
01:04:21,400 --> 01:04:23,800
Speaker 1: are really starting to cramp up, and I'm just kind

1348
01:04:23,800 --> 01:04:26,080
Speaker 1: of immobile. And I did have enough strength in my

1349
01:04:26,160 --> 01:04:27,920
Speaker 1: arm because of a big tear on my right shoulder,

1350
01:04:27,920 --> 01:04:30,320
Speaker 1: I couldn't even lift the truck or the put the

1351
01:04:30,320 --> 01:04:32,520
Speaker 1: truck into park. So I kind of motioned at the

1352
01:04:32,560 --> 01:04:34,760
Speaker 1: sheriff and he came over and got the truck in

1353
01:04:34,800 --> 01:04:36,479
Speaker 1: park for me. And then I couldn't get the seat

1354
01:04:36,480 --> 01:04:38,160
Speaker 1: belt off, so he had to help me get the

1355
01:04:38,160 --> 01:04:40,000
Speaker 1: seat belt off, and I remember he was like, I'm

1356
01:04:40,000 --> 01:04:42,480
Speaker 1: surprised you took time to to buckle up, and I

1357
01:04:42,520 --> 01:04:45,240
Speaker 1: was like yeah. I was like, well, I just survived

1358
01:04:45,320 --> 01:04:47,200
Speaker 1: two bear attacks. I didn't want to die in a

1359
01:04:47,240 --> 01:04:49,120
Speaker 1: car wreck on the way to the hospital after all

1360
01:04:49,160 --> 01:04:52,680
Speaker 1: of that, So the lecture of precaution there. But anyway,

1361
01:04:52,720 --> 01:04:54,880
Speaker 1: so they got me. I walked into the hospital and

1362
01:04:54,920 --> 01:04:57,840
Speaker 1: I remember everybody that was in the hospital I heard

1363
01:04:57,840 --> 01:04:59,600
Speaker 1: about it now, So all the nurses and even I

1364
01:04:59,600 --> 01:05:01,640
Speaker 1: think of the patients were all kind of lined up

1365
01:05:01,640 --> 01:05:03,760
Speaker 1: along the main hallway on each side. So I kind

1366
01:05:03,760 --> 01:05:07,720
Speaker 1: of had like this parade first evidence. I see what

1367
01:05:07,760 --> 01:05:10,720
Speaker 1: this looks like, you know, so we'll go in there.

1368
01:05:10,760 --> 01:05:13,240
Speaker 1: And then they did X rays everywhere I'd been bit.

1369
01:05:13,320 --> 01:05:15,560
Speaker 1: They took X rays to see what are the broken bones.

1370
01:05:15,600 --> 01:05:17,880
Speaker 1: I had just had the one and my my on

1371
01:05:17,920 --> 01:05:20,640
Speaker 1: the bone, my arm, And then about seven or eight

1372
01:05:20,680 --> 01:05:23,440
Speaker 1: hours with a doctor on each side just putting stitches in,

1373
01:05:23,560 --> 01:05:26,240
Speaker 1: and all the puncture wounds were really deep, so they

1374
01:05:26,360 --> 01:05:28,400
Speaker 1: put a stitch down like halfway in to make sure

1375
01:05:28,400 --> 01:05:30,080
Speaker 1: it was closed. And then a stitch at the top

1376
01:05:30,680 --> 01:05:32,240
Speaker 1: and then took quite a bit of time on my

1377
01:05:32,280 --> 01:05:35,160
Speaker 1: head to make sure they stitched that really well. I

1378
01:05:35,240 --> 01:05:37,200
Speaker 1: don't remember how many stitches, but I think it was

1379
01:05:37,240 --> 01:05:40,480
Speaker 1: like twenty six centimeters of stitching they put in total

1380
01:05:40,520 --> 01:05:43,680
Speaker 1: on my my arm, in my head, and then my

1381
01:05:43,760 --> 01:05:46,400
Speaker 1: left arm where I had the tendons sticking out. Remember

1382
01:05:46,400 --> 01:05:48,240
Speaker 1: the doctor he was like, well, I think those are

1383
01:05:48,320 --> 01:05:51,960
Speaker 1: tendons or something. He's gonna you're gonna see an orthopedic surgeon. Sir,

1384
01:05:52,080 --> 01:05:54,680
Speaker 1: I would wish you'd be more specific. I think those

1385
01:05:54,680 --> 01:05:56,680
Speaker 1: are tendons or something. He's like, I think you're gonna

1386
01:05:56,680 --> 01:05:58,600
Speaker 1: have to see an orthopedic surgeon. I'm like, all right,

1387
01:05:58,640 --> 01:06:00,680
Speaker 1: but he's like, I'll just push I get that stitch

1388
01:06:00,760 --> 01:06:02,680
Speaker 1: back over and closed up for now, you know, to

1389
01:06:02,720 --> 01:06:05,200
Speaker 1: stop the bleeding. So I remember remember him trying to

1390
01:06:05,240 --> 01:06:07,680
Speaker 1: push the tendons back in my arm, and they're you know,

1391
01:06:07,680 --> 01:06:09,400
Speaker 1: they're kind of rigid, so they're sticking out, and he'd

1392
01:06:09,440 --> 01:06:11,840
Speaker 1: push men and try to stitch and they'd pop back out,

1393
01:06:11,880 --> 01:06:13,600
Speaker 1: and he has was having a heck of a time,

1394
01:06:13,640 --> 01:06:16,160
Speaker 1: but finally got me all closed up and sent me

1395
01:06:16,200 --> 01:06:18,720
Speaker 1: home that night, and it was the next day. Then

1396
01:06:18,760 --> 01:06:21,760
Speaker 1: I had to go into the orthopedic surgeon and they

1397
01:06:21,760 --> 01:06:24,760
Speaker 1: spent about I think like four hours doing a bunch

1398
01:06:24,760 --> 01:06:27,520
Speaker 1: of kind of exploratory surgery. They had to reopen all

1399
01:06:27,560 --> 01:06:30,200
Speaker 1: the wounds that the dock the day before it stitched up,

1400
01:06:30,240 --> 01:06:32,200
Speaker 1: and clean everything out and look to see what kind

1401
01:06:32,200 --> 01:06:35,760
Speaker 1: of nerve damage or tending damage, and and uh. I

1402
01:06:35,800 --> 01:06:37,600
Speaker 1: remember sitting in there and I got I wanted to

1403
01:06:37,600 --> 01:06:39,040
Speaker 1: watch it all. He's like, well, if we can, you know,

1404
01:06:39,080 --> 01:06:40,840
Speaker 1: give you some drugs or whatever. I'm like, just do

1405
01:06:40,960 --> 01:06:45,560
Speaker 1: the local. In my arm, I had the big, big

1406
01:06:45,600 --> 01:06:47,760
Speaker 1: screen TV right there above my head, and I'm watching

1407
01:06:47,800 --> 01:06:50,080
Speaker 1: the whole thing, and he's like, okay, this is your

1408
01:06:50,080 --> 01:06:51,400
Speaker 1: all on the bone. He'd tap on it and I

1409
01:06:51,400 --> 01:06:54,360
Speaker 1: could feel like the vibration of my shoulder and he's like, okay,

1410
01:06:54,360 --> 01:06:57,240
Speaker 1: this is the tendons that are ripped out. And then

1411
01:06:57,280 --> 01:06:58,800
Speaker 1: I'd be like, I can't quite see it, and he'd

1412
01:06:58,800 --> 01:07:01,360
Speaker 1: lift up the curtain a little bit right down at

1413
01:07:01,360 --> 01:07:04,560
Speaker 1: my arm. You're a bad look right into my arm.

1414
01:07:04,600 --> 01:07:07,600
Speaker 1: They're like, oh, that's pretty cool. So anyway, they he'd

1415
01:07:07,880 --> 01:07:09,840
Speaker 1: had to figure out how to attach the the two

1416
01:07:09,880 --> 01:07:12,200
Speaker 1: tendons again, because one was from my wrist, one from

1417
01:07:12,200 --> 01:07:15,080
Speaker 1: my these two fingers, and so he would sit there

1418
01:07:15,080 --> 01:07:16,880
Speaker 1: and find something to get my fingers to move, and

1419
01:07:16,880 --> 01:07:19,520
Speaker 1: then finally stitch that in there and just give everything

1420
01:07:19,560 --> 01:07:21,280
Speaker 1: back to where it would work for me. And took

1421
01:07:21,320 --> 01:07:24,080
Speaker 1: a four or five hours, and put other boy, i'd

1422
01:07:24,080 --> 01:07:26,720
Speaker 1: have been out, like I'd been like, put me out, okay,

1423
01:07:26,760 --> 01:07:29,400
Speaker 1: I don't want to know. I didn't want any kind

1424
01:07:29,440 --> 01:07:32,000
Speaker 1: of medication at all. I wanted to be totally so

1425
01:07:32,040 --> 01:07:37,760
Speaker 1: I could watch the whole thing and well, and so

1426
01:07:38,120 --> 01:07:43,480
Speaker 1: you know, at this point in the story, everything's okay,

1427
01:07:43,960 --> 01:07:47,640
Speaker 1: like like as okay as it can be. In this situation.

1428
01:07:47,680 --> 01:07:49,880
Speaker 1: You feel like you're you're going to mend. The doctors

1429
01:07:49,880 --> 01:07:53,240
Speaker 1: are saying you're going to recover. No real long lasting

1430
01:07:53,240 --> 01:07:55,240
Speaker 1: effects other than the memories of the of the attack.

1431
01:07:55,480 --> 01:07:58,160
Speaker 1: Tendons were kind of questionable. That there was the muscle

1432
01:07:58,200 --> 01:08:00,680
Speaker 1: in my farm was ripped in like three different pieces,

1433
01:08:00,720 --> 01:08:02,560
Speaker 1: and so he kind of stitched all the muscle back

1434
01:08:02,600 --> 01:08:05,880
Speaker 1: together and reattached the tendons, but it was like hamburger

1435
01:08:05,920 --> 01:08:07,880
Speaker 1: in there, and it just ripped up so bad. He

1436
01:08:07,920 --> 01:08:10,320
Speaker 1: was having a hard time getting a good solid point

1437
01:08:10,320 --> 01:08:12,680
Speaker 1: of attachment so they gave me a brace to put

1438
01:08:12,680 --> 01:08:15,640
Speaker 1: on my arm that would keep my wrist turned back

1439
01:08:15,720 --> 01:08:17,960
Speaker 1: up and my fingers up just so I wouldn't put

1440
01:08:17,960 --> 01:08:20,519
Speaker 1: any pressure and tear that out until it healed well.

1441
01:08:20,560 --> 01:08:23,360
Speaker 1: So I had to wear that brace seven for six

1442
01:08:23,400 --> 01:08:25,800
Speaker 1: weeks and just until we had a good you know,

1443
01:08:25,880 --> 01:08:28,080
Speaker 1: sure that everything was good and solid in there. And

1444
01:08:28,120 --> 01:08:30,200
Speaker 1: then a lot of rehab. I had like three or

1445
01:08:30,200 --> 01:08:32,559
Speaker 1: four months of three or four days a week a rehab,

1446
01:08:32,680 --> 01:08:35,000
Speaker 1: just every day going. And they're trying to get motion

1447
01:08:35,080 --> 01:08:37,280
Speaker 1: back in my hand and my wrists and fingers to

1448
01:08:37,320 --> 01:08:39,920
Speaker 1: work and be able to to move them and all

1449
01:08:40,120 --> 01:08:43,840
Speaker 1: different in separately, independently moving my fingers and grabbing things

1450
01:08:43,880 --> 01:08:46,240
Speaker 1: and picking things up. And it was a slow process

1451
01:08:46,280 --> 01:08:48,639
Speaker 1: to get all that to come back, just the amount

1452
01:08:48,640 --> 01:08:50,920
Speaker 1: of nerve damage. And I still don't have any feeling

1453
01:08:50,920 --> 01:08:53,640
Speaker 1: in my forearm here is all numb. And then right

1454
01:08:53,720 --> 01:08:55,840
Speaker 1: up here where my arm was broke when I when

1455
01:08:55,840 --> 01:08:57,560
Speaker 1: I touched right there, I can feel it down in

1456
01:08:57,640 --> 01:08:59,760
Speaker 1: my fingership. So it's really weird just from the nerve

1457
01:08:59,800 --> 01:09:02,439
Speaker 1: down me still, but everything's working pretty good. I mean

1458
01:09:02,439 --> 01:09:04,840
Speaker 1: it's it's a little slower. I can't quite open my

1459
01:09:04,880 --> 01:09:06,800
Speaker 1: hand all the way. I don't have all the strength there.

1460
01:09:06,800 --> 01:09:08,800
Speaker 1: I've got a pretty good hole in my arm or

1461
01:09:08,800 --> 01:09:11,679
Speaker 1: the muscle was just shredded that just never healed up. Well,

1462
01:09:12,000 --> 01:09:15,000
Speaker 1: just no muscle there anymore. And so it's it's not

1463
01:09:15,840 --> 01:09:17,640
Speaker 1: but I'm doing most everything I need to do, and

1464
01:09:17,960 --> 01:09:20,519
Speaker 1: I don't even think about it anymore. What about the

1465
01:09:21,240 --> 01:09:25,360
Speaker 1: grizzly like, what well, what happened to her? The fish

1466
01:09:25,360 --> 01:09:29,400
Speaker 1: wildlife and parks, fish and game and the Grizzly inter Agency,

1467
01:09:29,680 --> 01:09:32,120
Speaker 1: you know, steady Grizzly bear. Steady team went back in

1468
01:09:32,200 --> 01:09:34,760
Speaker 1: I believe the next day on horses, and as far

1469
01:09:34,840 --> 01:09:36,400
Speaker 1: as I know, they did not see her at all.

1470
01:09:36,720 --> 01:09:39,720
Speaker 1: And so she's probably still out there. And I think

1471
01:09:39,760 --> 01:09:41,439
Speaker 1: about that every time I go back in the woods

1472
01:09:41,439 --> 01:09:43,680
Speaker 1: in that country. It's like, is she gonna You know,

1473
01:09:43,760 --> 01:09:45,600
Speaker 1: bears have the best sense of smell of any of

1474
01:09:45,640 --> 01:09:47,920
Speaker 1: the animals out there. So if she's a couple of

1475
01:09:47,960 --> 01:09:50,240
Speaker 1: miles on the other side of the canyon or up

1476
01:09:50,280 --> 01:09:52,800
Speaker 1: the canyon and the winds carrying up there and she

1477
01:09:52,880 --> 01:09:55,120
Speaker 1: smells me, she's going to recognize that, just as if

1478
01:09:55,160 --> 01:09:58,000
Speaker 1: I was there, because her sense of smell is so good.

1479
01:09:58,439 --> 01:10:00,200
Speaker 1: So I was wondering. It's like, it's that mean she's

1480
01:10:00,200 --> 01:10:03,320
Speaker 1: gonna come back. She like, I don't want to have

1481
01:10:03,360 --> 01:10:05,040
Speaker 1: anything to do with him. He didn't taste good, and

1482
01:10:05,080 --> 01:10:07,360
Speaker 1: she's gonna go the other way. But I always think

1483
01:10:07,360 --> 01:10:09,240
Speaker 1: about that, So as far as I know, she's probably

1484
01:10:09,320 --> 01:10:12,760
Speaker 1: still out there. Yea. And did they ever did you

1485
01:10:12,800 --> 01:10:15,559
Speaker 1: ever think about her age or or her weight or

1486
01:10:15,600 --> 01:10:18,400
Speaker 1: her size? How much do you recollect? It's it's hard

1487
01:10:18,439 --> 01:10:20,920
Speaker 1: to say when that's such a quick situation. But she

1488
01:10:21,040 --> 01:10:23,160
Speaker 1: was definitely a full size bear, you know. And you know,

1489
01:10:23,320 --> 01:10:25,920
Speaker 1: female grizzly might way up to four hundred pounds, you know,

1490
01:10:26,000 --> 01:10:27,880
Speaker 1: three or four hundred pounds if for a big bear.

1491
01:10:28,000 --> 01:10:29,960
Speaker 1: So she was definitely big. And I remember she was

1492
01:10:30,080 --> 01:10:31,920
Speaker 1: just crushing me when she was on top of me,

1493
01:10:32,000 --> 01:10:34,280
Speaker 1: that weight, and just you know, I was a rag

1494
01:10:34,320 --> 01:10:36,400
Speaker 1: doll picking me up and would literally just shake me

1495
01:10:36,439 --> 01:10:38,680
Speaker 1: back and forth and then like let go, and I

1496
01:10:38,680 --> 01:10:40,640
Speaker 1: would like roll like ten feet and then I just

1497
01:10:40,720 --> 01:10:43,160
Speaker 1: roll back face down again protecting myself. And so I

1498
01:10:43,200 --> 01:10:46,120
Speaker 1: was at just a rag doll head. I was helpless, unbelievable,

1499
01:10:46,200 --> 01:10:48,720
Speaker 1: And and I think I know the answer to this

1500
01:10:48,760 --> 01:10:50,800
Speaker 1: because it almost always is the same. You have no

1501
01:10:50,880 --> 01:10:56,400
Speaker 1: resentment towards the animal or or you know, she was

1502
01:10:56,520 --> 01:10:59,519
Speaker 1: protecting her cubs, and you know, in that situation, I

1503
01:10:59,520 --> 01:11:01,479
Speaker 1: think she was all over protective because they were a

1504
01:11:01,520 --> 01:11:04,080
Speaker 1: hundred yards away and she actually left them and circled

1505
01:11:04,080 --> 01:11:06,280
Speaker 1: around to get my wind and then came in. But

1506
01:11:06,320 --> 01:11:08,639
Speaker 1: you know, every every bear is different. Some bear could

1507
01:11:08,680 --> 01:11:11,280
Speaker 1: tolerate you at fifty feet, some more won't tolerate you

1508
01:11:11,280 --> 01:11:13,520
Speaker 1: at hundred yards. I guess. So she was more aggressive

1509
01:11:13,520 --> 01:11:15,600
Speaker 1: than any other you know bears I've been around. I

1510
01:11:16,080 --> 01:11:18,080
Speaker 1: probably see a dozen bears every year, a couple of

1511
01:11:18,120 --> 01:11:20,519
Speaker 1: grizzly and a lot of black bear. And usually they're

1512
01:11:20,520 --> 01:11:22,479
Speaker 1: going the other direction and they might run away or

1513
01:11:22,520 --> 01:11:24,720
Speaker 1: they walk away like whatever. It's just another person. I

1514
01:11:24,760 --> 01:11:27,320
Speaker 1: don't care. You know, she was definitely more aggressive and

1515
01:11:27,320 --> 01:11:29,960
Speaker 1: a little bit different, But I don't I don't blame

1516
01:11:29,960 --> 01:11:31,519
Speaker 1: her for what she did. I don't want to go

1517
01:11:31,560 --> 01:11:34,240
Speaker 1: out and get revenge on her or something, and you

1518
01:11:34,280 --> 01:11:36,200
Speaker 1: know I do. I do believe there should be some

1519
01:11:36,400 --> 01:11:38,559
Speaker 1: you know, grizzly bear management. There's been a lot more

1520
01:11:38,600 --> 01:11:40,280
Speaker 1: there's a lot more grizzlies out there than there used

1521
01:11:40,280 --> 01:11:41,719
Speaker 1: to be. In a lot more people in the woods,

1522
01:11:41,720 --> 01:11:44,679
Speaker 1: and I think we need to manage that population. Um,

1523
01:11:44,720 --> 01:11:46,880
Speaker 1: if they do get to go through with that and

1524
01:11:46,960 --> 01:11:49,920
Speaker 1: put out you know, licenses, I have no desire to

1525
01:11:49,920 --> 01:11:51,920
Speaker 1: go shoot one. I you know, I can't afford it.

1526
01:11:51,960 --> 01:11:53,639
Speaker 1: Plus I don't really care. It's not a big deal.

1527
01:11:53,680 --> 01:11:56,000
Speaker 1: I don't need revenge and I don't need a grizzly bear.

1528
01:11:56,720 --> 01:11:59,840
Speaker 1: But but I have nothing against the hunting season. And

1529
01:12:00,160 --> 01:12:03,160
Speaker 1: you know, you know, as it's meeting the freezer still

1530
01:12:03,200 --> 01:12:05,840
Speaker 1: even a bear, that's right. Um, is there anything you

1531
01:12:05,840 --> 01:12:09,560
Speaker 1: would do different? Uh? Looking back at it, the preparations

1532
01:12:09,560 --> 01:12:11,719
Speaker 1: you had, I mean you were prepared. I was prepared,

1533
01:12:11,880 --> 01:12:13,840
Speaker 1: you know I had you know, like a lot of

1534
01:12:13,840 --> 01:12:15,680
Speaker 1: people asked, well, you know which you have pulled the

1535
01:12:15,680 --> 01:12:19,600
Speaker 1: pistol first instead of the bear spray. And in my situation,

1536
01:12:19,880 --> 01:12:22,160
Speaker 1: so working for the Four Service, I'm not allowed to

1537
01:12:22,600 --> 01:12:24,960
Speaker 1: carry a handgun because I'm not law enforcement. So all

1538
01:12:24,960 --> 01:12:27,400
Speaker 1: i have is bear spray for my protection. And so

1539
01:12:27,439 --> 01:12:30,120
Speaker 1: I've practiced and thought about that time and time again,

1540
01:12:30,240 --> 01:12:32,880
Speaker 1: year after year, and so that became muscle memory. So

1541
01:12:32,920 --> 01:12:35,000
Speaker 1: even though I had a pistol with me at that point,

1542
01:12:35,040 --> 01:12:37,280
Speaker 1: I didn't think about draw your pistol first. It was

1543
01:12:37,320 --> 01:12:39,800
Speaker 1: the muscle memory. I just pulled the bear spray just

1544
01:12:39,840 --> 01:12:42,519
Speaker 1: in case. And so you know, had I drawn the gun,

1545
01:12:43,320 --> 01:12:45,800
Speaker 1: I had probably got off one or two shots. And

1546
01:12:45,960 --> 01:12:48,120
Speaker 1: like I said, it wasn't a quick draw easy to

1547
01:12:48,160 --> 01:12:50,400
Speaker 1: get to bear a gun it uh, you know, had

1548
01:12:50,400 --> 01:12:52,400
Speaker 1: a scope on it, so I could have barely see

1549
01:12:52,479 --> 01:12:54,280
Speaker 1: underneath the scope to shoot. You know, it would have

1550
01:12:54,320 --> 01:12:56,200
Speaker 1: been more of a point and shoot. And there's no

1551
01:12:56,240 --> 01:12:59,000
Speaker 1: guarantee you're gonna do any damage to a bear with it.

1552
01:12:59,080 --> 01:13:01,120
Speaker 1: You mean, TENEMM could kill a bear easily, but you

1553
01:13:01,200 --> 01:13:02,439
Speaker 1: got to hit it in the right spot. You know,

1554
01:13:02,439 --> 01:13:03,920
Speaker 1: you got hit in the brain or the spine to

1555
01:13:04,040 --> 01:13:06,439
Speaker 1: drop in its tracks and the brains in the back

1556
01:13:06,439 --> 01:13:09,439
Speaker 1: half of a bear skull, so you know, a lot

1557
01:13:09,439 --> 01:13:11,280
Speaker 1: of muscle, a lot of hide, So that may not

1558
01:13:11,360 --> 01:13:13,320
Speaker 1: have helped, That may have made might have made the

1559
01:13:13,360 --> 01:13:16,040
Speaker 1: bear more aggressive, and she's now fighting for her life

1560
01:13:16,040 --> 01:13:19,639
Speaker 1: as well. The only thing I really could have done differently,

1561
01:13:19,680 --> 01:13:22,120
Speaker 1: which if I had been hunting like actual hunting season,

1562
01:13:22,600 --> 01:13:25,120
Speaker 1: I would have stopped at the edge of that meadow

1563
01:13:25,200 --> 01:13:27,599
Speaker 1: and like glassed and looked first before I stepped out,

1564
01:13:27,640 --> 01:13:29,439
Speaker 1: because I don't want to surprise an elk or something

1565
01:13:29,439 --> 01:13:31,640
Speaker 1: that might be their feeding. And in this situation, I

1566
01:13:31,680 --> 01:13:33,960
Speaker 1: wasn't hunting, and I was just trying to get I

1567
01:13:34,000 --> 01:13:35,320
Speaker 1: was in a hurry to get up as high as

1568
01:13:35,320 --> 01:13:37,160
Speaker 1: I could have buff timber line at daylight. So I

1569
01:13:37,840 --> 01:13:40,519
Speaker 1: was probably ten steps out into the that opening before

1570
01:13:40,560 --> 01:13:42,360
Speaker 1: I saw her, and it was too late. She saw

1571
01:13:42,400 --> 01:13:45,080
Speaker 1: me at the same time. So looking back, you know,

1572
01:13:45,120 --> 01:13:47,000
Speaker 1: I should have just been paying a little more attentionally,

1573
01:13:47,000 --> 01:13:49,400
Speaker 1: going a little bit slower, stopped I put it, probably

1574
01:13:49,439 --> 01:13:50,960
Speaker 1: would have seen her, could have just stayed in the

1575
01:13:51,040 --> 01:13:53,000
Speaker 1: edge of the trees, she would have went on by.

1576
01:13:53,120 --> 01:13:55,439
Speaker 1: We have never had the encounter, and but then I

1577
01:13:55,439 --> 01:14:00,000
Speaker 1: wouldn't be here. I mean, I think, you know you're

1578
01:14:00,120 --> 01:14:02,120
Speaker 1: continue to hunt, obviously, can you do what we love

1579
01:14:02,160 --> 01:14:05,160
Speaker 1: to do? Can you spend time with the wilderness? Um?

1580
01:14:05,240 --> 01:14:07,880
Speaker 1: How has it changed how you act when you're when

1581
01:14:07,920 --> 01:14:10,040
Speaker 1: you're in bear country? I mean you're obviously, like you said,

1582
01:14:10,040 --> 01:14:12,280
Speaker 1: probably a little bit more cautious, I would imagine. Yeah,

1583
01:14:12,280 --> 01:14:15,040
Speaker 1: it's definitely different. It definitely changed. And I knew that

1584
01:14:15,080 --> 01:14:17,080
Speaker 1: I needed to get back out there right away because

1585
01:14:17,080 --> 01:14:19,400
Speaker 1: my my life is in the woods, my job. I'm

1586
01:14:19,400 --> 01:14:23,160
Speaker 1: working in the woods every day every weekend I'm out there, hiking, hunting, camping,

1587
01:14:23,240 --> 01:14:26,040
Speaker 1: doing something. I don't know what I would do without

1588
01:14:26,200 --> 01:14:27,760
Speaker 1: being in the outdoors. So I knew I had to

1589
01:14:27,760 --> 01:14:30,120
Speaker 1: get back out right away. So after, like the day

1590
01:14:30,160 --> 01:14:32,400
Speaker 1: after I got the brace off my arm, I still

1591
01:14:32,400 --> 01:14:35,800
Speaker 1: had four days of hunting season left. So I went out,

1592
01:14:35,880 --> 01:14:38,479
Speaker 1: had a buddy with me two of the days and

1593
01:14:38,640 --> 01:14:41,040
Speaker 1: went out and actually went back to that same site

1594
01:14:41,160 --> 01:14:43,200
Speaker 1: right where the bear attack was and told, you know,

1595
01:14:43,240 --> 01:14:46,480
Speaker 1: stood in that's that location and told my buddy the story.

1596
01:14:46,680 --> 01:14:48,280
Speaker 1: And uh, I just knew that I had to get

1597
01:14:48,320 --> 01:14:50,280
Speaker 1: back out there and get over that fear. And it

1598
01:14:50,400 --> 01:14:53,000
Speaker 1: was definitely different. I think every day I'm out there

1599
01:14:53,000 --> 01:14:54,960
Speaker 1: that I don't get attacked, it's it's it's a little

1600
01:14:54,960 --> 01:14:58,439
Speaker 1: bit better, but I am more anxious out there. My

1601
01:14:58,479 --> 01:15:00,799
Speaker 1: head's kind of on a swivel. I'm alwa was paying attention.

1602
01:15:00,800 --> 01:15:02,240
Speaker 1: It's like if I if there is a bear in

1603
01:15:02,280 --> 01:15:04,320
Speaker 1: the area, I really want to see it and back

1604
01:15:04,360 --> 01:15:06,639
Speaker 1: out of that situation instead of having a counter again.

1605
01:15:07,320 --> 01:15:09,280
Speaker 1: And it's I remember the first day of that next

1606
01:15:09,320 --> 01:15:12,680
Speaker 1: spring back at work with the four service and I

1607
01:15:12,760 --> 01:15:15,320
Speaker 1: was heading up to a trailhead and a sow grizzly

1608
01:15:15,360 --> 01:15:17,840
Speaker 1: and a cub ran across the trail in front of me,

1609
01:15:18,360 --> 01:15:20,479
Speaker 1: and I was in a vehicle still right before the trailhead,

1610
01:15:20,520 --> 01:15:22,599
Speaker 1: and she stopped at like fifty yards and stood up

1611
01:15:22,600 --> 01:15:24,439
Speaker 1: and looked at me and then took off. And I

1612
01:15:24,479 --> 01:15:26,360
Speaker 1: remember the rest of that day, I was just like

1613
01:15:26,400 --> 01:15:29,200
Speaker 1: on edge. It was like I just sweating, anxious, like,

1614
01:15:29,240 --> 01:15:31,519
Speaker 1: oh my god. Just a reminder that this could happen

1615
01:15:31,600 --> 01:15:33,479
Speaker 1: any day. You know. People are like, oh, it will

1616
01:15:33,520 --> 01:15:35,600
Speaker 1: never happen again. You know, you got attack twice. You

1617
01:15:35,640 --> 01:15:38,200
Speaker 1: could it's once in a lifetime. But you're in that

1618
01:15:38,320 --> 01:15:42,160
Speaker 1: situation every day in Bear Country for work, for play.

1619
01:15:42,280 --> 01:15:44,200
Speaker 1: It's just the odds. You know. It may not happen

1620
01:15:44,240 --> 01:15:46,360
Speaker 1: for twenty years or ever. It may happen the next

1621
01:15:46,360 --> 01:15:48,160
Speaker 1: time I'm out there. You just don't know. So it's

1622
01:15:48,200 --> 01:15:50,320
Speaker 1: just a reminder that you have to be ready. You

1623
01:15:50,320 --> 01:15:53,240
Speaker 1: have to be prepared, you know. I'm I'm always have

1624
01:15:53,400 --> 01:15:55,599
Speaker 1: a pistol. That's you know, I carry a forty four

1625
01:15:55,640 --> 01:15:57,920
Speaker 1: magnet revolver or tenem M that I can get too

1626
01:15:58,000 --> 01:16:00,240
Speaker 1: quickly now that doesn't have a scope on it, you know,

1627
01:16:01,160 --> 01:16:03,439
Speaker 1: and uh, just in just in case, I always have

1628
01:16:03,520 --> 01:16:05,920
Speaker 1: the bear spray and just like try to tell people

1629
01:16:05,960 --> 01:16:09,559
Speaker 1: it's like, take your headphones off or your earbuds out

1630
01:16:09,600 --> 01:16:11,320
Speaker 1: and pay attention and watch up a front of you,

1631
01:16:11,920 --> 01:16:14,360
Speaker 1: watch the head ease you can see what's coming or

1632
01:16:14,400 --> 01:16:17,519
Speaker 1: here's something coming, so you're not surprised, and know how

1633
01:16:17,560 --> 01:16:19,600
Speaker 1: to use your bear spray. Practice pulling it out of

1634
01:16:19,600 --> 01:16:21,400
Speaker 1: the holster if you have an old bear spray, or

1635
01:16:21,479 --> 01:16:24,040
Speaker 1: get the a nert bear spray and practice shooting it

1636
01:16:24,080 --> 01:16:25,840
Speaker 1: and see what it feels like to actually squeeze the

1637
01:16:25,880 --> 01:16:28,679
Speaker 1: trigger on the thing. And if you use a handgun

1638
01:16:28,720 --> 01:16:30,960
Speaker 1: for your safety, make sure you're efficient with it and

1639
01:16:31,080 --> 01:16:32,840
Speaker 1: you know what you're doing, because you never know when

1640
01:16:32,840 --> 01:16:34,960
Speaker 1: you're get in this situation. It can't happen to you,

1641
01:16:35,040 --> 01:16:38,040
Speaker 1: and it happens quick. One of the other thing I

1642
01:16:38,040 --> 01:16:40,880
Speaker 1: imagine would be the understanding of the animal, right, understanding

1643
01:16:40,880 --> 01:16:44,760
Speaker 1: of what's bear trying to do? What's that bear trying

1644
01:16:44,800 --> 01:16:47,640
Speaker 1: to do, Being able to read it's it's activity and

1645
01:16:47,880 --> 01:16:49,640
Speaker 1: realize it's trying to eat me and kill me or

1646
01:16:49,720 --> 01:16:51,880
Speaker 1: trying to defend its cubs. Like how would you tell

1647
01:16:51,920 --> 01:16:53,960
Speaker 1: people to kind of think through that? After well, I mean, yeah,

1648
01:16:54,000 --> 01:16:56,160
Speaker 1: the bare behavior when that bear first sees you. What

1649
01:16:56,280 --> 01:16:58,720
Speaker 1: is it doing? Is it like, is it curious and

1650
01:16:58,760 --> 01:17:01,320
Speaker 1: wants to come see what you are? Is it recognize

1651
01:17:01,360 --> 01:17:03,200
Speaker 1: you and just kind of like, Okay, I'm gonna wander off,

1652
01:17:03,320 --> 01:17:05,600
Speaker 1: or is it scared runs away? You know, that's the

1653
01:17:05,640 --> 01:17:08,120
Speaker 1: best situation. It's gone. You know, it isn't like people.

1654
01:17:08,160 --> 01:17:10,880
Speaker 1: It's used to people have seen him before. So and

1655
01:17:10,880 --> 01:17:14,759
Speaker 1: then also bear identification, whether it's a black bear, whether

1656
01:17:14,800 --> 01:17:16,680
Speaker 1: it's a small black bear, a young black bear, and

1657
01:17:16,680 --> 01:17:18,559
Speaker 1: he's probably going to run any's scared of you, whether

1658
01:17:18,560 --> 01:17:20,760
Speaker 1: it's a big old grizzly that's like, you know, he's

1659
01:17:20,760 --> 01:17:22,360
Speaker 1: the king of the woods and you're not going to

1660
01:17:22,439 --> 01:17:25,160
Speaker 1: scare him off, you know. So knowing that bear identification,

1661
01:17:25,200 --> 01:17:29,280
Speaker 1: what to do? Paying attention and you know we're that bear,

1662
01:17:29,400 --> 01:17:31,640
Speaker 1: go to it run over the ridge now circling behind me,

1663
01:17:31,760 --> 01:17:33,759
Speaker 1: or you know, pay attention even though that bear left.

1664
01:17:33,800 --> 01:17:36,720
Speaker 1: It's like be watching your back because you never know, Yeah,

1665
01:17:36,800 --> 01:17:39,320
Speaker 1: you never know. I think that's that goes to another

1666
01:17:39,720 --> 01:17:42,479
Speaker 1: thing I was thinking about prior conversation was I'm new

1667
01:17:42,560 --> 01:17:45,479
Speaker 1: to Montana. I'm from Maryland. I lived in Texas. Nowhere

1668
01:17:45,520 --> 01:17:48,719
Speaker 1: i've lived, has there been grizzly bears. I've been around

1669
01:17:48,800 --> 01:17:51,240
Speaker 1: him on hunts around the country, but have I've never

1670
01:17:51,280 --> 01:17:53,360
Speaker 1: lived in a place where I had access to grizzly

1671
01:17:53,360 --> 01:17:56,559
Speaker 1: country on a daily, weekly basis, in a place where

1672
01:17:56,600 --> 01:17:58,920
Speaker 1: I want to go hunting that was a reality. I've

1673
01:17:58,920 --> 01:18:01,800
Speaker 1: got a little kid, you know. Sure, So there's that.

1674
01:18:01,920 --> 01:18:04,280
Speaker 1: But there's also the non resident that comes to Montana

1675
01:18:05,240 --> 01:18:07,160
Speaker 1: who wants to hunt the country you're in, who wants

1676
01:18:07,160 --> 01:18:08,920
Speaker 1: to go hunt to Madison Valley. He wants to go

1677
01:18:09,000 --> 01:18:11,200
Speaker 1: up bear trap cannon and run around and do these

1678
01:18:11,200 --> 01:18:14,320
Speaker 1: types of things where they're going to invariably, you know,

1679
01:18:14,360 --> 01:18:16,880
Speaker 1: either encounter a grizzly or being in a place where

1680
01:18:16,880 --> 01:18:19,360
Speaker 1: that's happening. And how do you think through that for

1681
01:18:19,400 --> 01:18:23,120
Speaker 1: all these new people moving to Bows And I think, yeah,

1682
01:18:23,120 --> 01:18:25,479
Speaker 1: I think so many of them just you know, they

1683
01:18:25,600 --> 01:18:27,679
Speaker 1: pull into town and like, oh, I'm in bear country

1684
01:18:27,720 --> 01:18:30,920
Speaker 1: and they stop at bob Wards there's you know, Sportsman's warehouse,

1685
01:18:30,920 --> 01:18:33,360
Speaker 1: and they go, where's your bear spray? Okay, good, got it,

1686
01:18:33,400 --> 01:18:35,240
Speaker 1: you know, and they throw it in the backseat and

1687
01:18:35,320 --> 01:18:36,720
Speaker 1: they go get to the rest of their gear and

1688
01:18:36,760 --> 01:18:38,840
Speaker 1: they head up there and they're like, Okay, where's your yeah,

1689
01:18:38,920 --> 01:18:42,080
Speaker 1: there's my bear spray. Okay, let's see. I'll just clip

1690
01:18:42,160 --> 01:18:44,320
Speaker 1: that on the side of my backpack over here behind

1691
01:18:44,320 --> 01:18:45,920
Speaker 1: my shoulder, you know, where I can get to it

1692
01:18:45,920 --> 01:18:47,720
Speaker 1: if I need it, you know, And it's like you

1693
01:18:47,760 --> 01:18:49,400
Speaker 1: can't get to it over here, You're trying to reach

1694
01:18:49,479 --> 01:18:51,280
Speaker 1: over your shoulder to grab They see so many people

1695
01:18:51,360 --> 01:18:54,240
Speaker 1: hiking with spray hooked on their backpack somewhere, and it's like,

1696
01:18:54,320 --> 01:18:56,000
Speaker 1: I keep it right here where I can look down

1697
01:18:56,040 --> 01:18:58,559
Speaker 1: and see it, and if something hangs up, I can

1698
01:18:58,560 --> 01:19:00,320
Speaker 1: still get to it. I can. Well. And if you

1699
01:19:00,320 --> 01:19:02,280
Speaker 1: take if you're running a pack and you take your

1700
01:19:02,320 --> 01:19:04,320
Speaker 1: pack off and set it down, and you're going to

1701
01:19:04,560 --> 01:19:07,479
Speaker 1: gut an animal or you're going to your whatever you're

1702
01:19:07,479 --> 01:19:10,519
Speaker 1: doing or handling meat or whatever you're now removed from.

1703
01:19:11,040 --> 01:19:13,240
Speaker 1: If you if you haven't hooked on like a backpack

1704
01:19:13,320 --> 01:19:16,840
Speaker 1: strap or on our waist or something like that, you know,

1705
01:19:16,880 --> 01:19:18,600
Speaker 1: if you do take your pack off, then take the

1706
01:19:18,600 --> 01:19:20,439
Speaker 1: bear spray or your pistol off and hook it to

1707
01:19:20,479 --> 01:19:23,200
Speaker 1: yourself to like you're saying, so you need that with you.

1708
01:19:23,240 --> 01:19:25,799
Speaker 1: All of a a sudden something attacks you and you're separated

1709
01:19:25,800 --> 01:19:27,920
Speaker 1: from your pack and yeah, f h F gear has

1710
01:19:27,960 --> 01:19:30,600
Speaker 1: the only one I've ever used that the holster that

1711
01:19:31,080 --> 01:19:32,840
Speaker 1: a side holster than the one that amounts to your

1712
01:19:33,040 --> 01:19:35,160
Speaker 1: amounts to your by no harness. So there's those options.

1713
01:19:35,160 --> 01:19:37,080
Speaker 1: But again, I mean, we have guys in this office,

1714
01:19:37,120 --> 01:19:39,840
Speaker 1: Sianni Pitelis and Steve Ronella who got a who got

1715
01:19:40,160 --> 01:19:42,880
Speaker 1: a sacked and fog Neck Island, and they'd say, hey,

1716
01:19:42,880 --> 01:19:47,439
Speaker 1: we were separated from our defense. One of their main learnings, Um,

1717
01:19:47,479 --> 01:19:49,759
Speaker 1: what do you think about solo hunting and Gris country

1718
01:19:49,800 --> 01:19:53,559
Speaker 1: and like, what what should someone is there a level

1719
01:19:53,600 --> 01:19:56,640
Speaker 1: of hunting experience and wilderness experience to to to go

1720
01:19:56,680 --> 01:20:00,519
Speaker 1: and venture alone. Well, of course, you know, the more

1721
01:20:00,520 --> 01:20:03,000
Speaker 1: people the better in numbers, you're gonna you're safer, you know,

1722
01:20:03,120 --> 01:20:04,920
Speaker 1: But a lot of people don't hunt that way. I've

1723
01:20:04,960 --> 01:20:07,880
Speaker 1: never hunted with somebody. I'm always by myself. So I'm

1724
01:20:08,240 --> 01:20:10,920
Speaker 1: back out there by myself in bear country. But the

1725
01:20:11,000 --> 01:20:13,360
Speaker 1: guy's got to be prepared as far as you know,

1726
01:20:13,760 --> 01:20:15,400
Speaker 1: what are you going to use for safety? And like

1727
01:20:15,439 --> 01:20:18,320
Speaker 1: we talked about bare behavior and bear awareness and knowing

1728
01:20:18,360 --> 01:20:20,439
Speaker 1: all of that before you get into the woods. I

1729
01:20:20,479 --> 01:20:22,600
Speaker 1: think it's good to have some kind of a background

1730
01:20:22,720 --> 01:20:26,000
Speaker 1: in first aid and just knowing that, okay, is that

1731
01:20:26,360 --> 01:20:28,479
Speaker 1: you know how bad am I bleeding? You know, if

1732
01:20:28,520 --> 01:20:30,120
Speaker 1: you have to assess your wounds? Can I do I

1733
01:20:30,160 --> 01:20:32,240
Speaker 1: know how to banage myself up? Can I do I

1734
01:20:32,320 --> 01:20:34,719
Speaker 1: have the stuff with me? Do I have duct tape

1735
01:20:34,720 --> 01:20:37,080
Speaker 1: that I can tape some sticks around my arm or

1736
01:20:37,120 --> 01:20:39,000
Speaker 1: my leg if I need to have a broken limb

1737
01:20:39,040 --> 01:20:41,160
Speaker 1: and I need to hike out, So I think some

1738
01:20:41,240 --> 01:20:43,920
Speaker 1: first aid, well lenness back country type first aid is great.

1739
01:20:44,280 --> 01:20:48,320
Speaker 1: Having that bear awareness, bear safety, general knowledge of animals

1740
01:20:48,320 --> 01:20:52,560
Speaker 1: and their behavior is great. And just survival in the

1741
01:20:52,560 --> 01:20:54,720
Speaker 1: back country. Knowing what to take with you, you know,

1742
01:20:54,920 --> 01:20:57,040
Speaker 1: that's a big thing. It's like, Okay, you've got your backpack.

1743
01:20:57,120 --> 01:20:59,000
Speaker 1: What do you have in your backpack? You know, besides

1744
01:20:59,040 --> 01:21:01,679
Speaker 1: candy bars or what ever? It's maybe that's all someone

1745
01:21:01,760 --> 01:21:03,680
Speaker 1: my care makers, a bunch of snickers, you know, But

1746
01:21:03,720 --> 01:21:05,400
Speaker 1: it's like there's more you might need, Like you know,

1747
01:21:05,640 --> 01:21:07,599
Speaker 1: your duct tape, you always need that, you know, There's

1748
01:21:07,640 --> 01:21:11,400
Speaker 1: different things. If I'm incapacitated from an attack, or I

1749
01:21:11,400 --> 01:21:13,400
Speaker 1: fell off the mountain and broke my leg or whatever,

1750
01:21:13,439 --> 01:21:15,040
Speaker 1: and I got to spend a night or two up here,

1751
01:21:15,120 --> 01:21:17,080
Speaker 1: do I have something to start a fire? Do I

1752
01:21:17,120 --> 01:21:21,080
Speaker 1: have dry clothes, you know, a dry fleece top or

1753
01:21:21,160 --> 01:21:24,639
Speaker 1: gloves or a hat, or I fall on the creek

1754
01:21:24,640 --> 01:21:26,720
Speaker 1: and I'm soaking wet, what do I do? It's cold out.

1755
01:21:26,760 --> 01:21:29,360
Speaker 1: You know, there's all those things that go with backcountry

1756
01:21:29,479 --> 01:21:33,000
Speaker 1: wilderness survival and just being able to live out there

1757
01:21:33,080 --> 01:21:34,960
Speaker 1: for days on end if you need to. And that's

1758
01:21:35,000 --> 01:21:37,880
Speaker 1: something that people should should read about, be know what

1759
01:21:37,920 --> 01:21:40,320
Speaker 1: they need to take, talk to people about, or take

1760
01:21:40,360 --> 01:21:42,920
Speaker 1: a class or something so you're aware of what there is,

1761
01:21:42,960 --> 01:21:44,960
Speaker 1: and then get out there and actually use it. Get

1762
01:21:44,960 --> 01:21:47,920
Speaker 1: out in the woods and put yourself in a situation

1763
01:21:47,920 --> 01:21:49,880
Speaker 1: and just pretend. I remember. I remember when I was

1764
01:21:49,920 --> 01:21:51,679
Speaker 1: a kid and I would go hiking in the woods

1765
01:21:51,680 --> 01:21:54,240
Speaker 1: and I would randomly just stop and I'd be like, Okay,

1766
01:21:54,520 --> 01:21:57,559
Speaker 1: if I was hurt, right here, can I build a fire?

1767
01:21:57,760 --> 01:21:59,360
Speaker 1: And I would actually a couple of times I would

1768
01:21:59,400 --> 01:22:01,880
Speaker 1: just like close my eyes, take a few steps, stop,

1769
01:22:01,960 --> 01:22:04,360
Speaker 1: sit down, and then leave my eyes closed even and

1770
01:22:04,400 --> 01:22:06,880
Speaker 1: be like reaching under like branches and trying to find

1771
01:22:06,960 --> 01:22:10,160
Speaker 1: like dry tinder and dry sticks. And then I'd be

1772
01:22:10,160 --> 01:22:11,960
Speaker 1: like okay, and then try to build a fire within

1773
01:22:12,040 --> 01:22:13,599
Speaker 1: my reach, like if I could not move at all,

1774
01:22:13,640 --> 01:22:15,840
Speaker 1: can I build a fire right here anywhere in the woods.

1775
01:22:15,840 --> 01:22:17,920
Speaker 1: I used to practice that. I very much remember the

1776
01:22:17,960 --> 01:22:20,000
Speaker 1: first five I remember the first fire for Bill. I

1777
01:22:20,000 --> 01:22:22,120
Speaker 1: remember getting a bunch of little twigs and putting them

1778
01:22:22,120 --> 01:22:24,559
Speaker 1: in the thing, and then getting find a little like

1779
01:22:24,880 --> 01:22:27,040
Speaker 1: magazine that was wet and trying to light it with

1780
01:22:27,040 --> 01:22:30,720
Speaker 1: a lighter and thinking like dude. So there's a lot

1781
01:22:30,760 --> 01:22:34,120
Speaker 1: of suburban at that point. There's a lot of things

1782
01:22:34,160 --> 01:22:36,920
Speaker 1: that you need to practice and to look into and

1783
01:22:36,960 --> 01:22:39,200
Speaker 1: to have some knowledge before you're out there in bear

1784
01:22:39,280 --> 01:22:41,680
Speaker 1: country or in the woods in general. I mean, the

1785
01:22:41,760 --> 01:22:45,200
Speaker 1: weather can change in a hurry, and it might be like,

1786
01:22:45,200 --> 01:22:47,320
Speaker 1: like people hike the m up here up to the

1787
01:22:47,360 --> 01:22:49,840
Speaker 1: college m right above town. There will be a hundred

1788
01:22:50,200 --> 01:22:53,479
Speaker 1: vehicles in the parking lot, and there's dogs and kids

1789
01:22:53,520 --> 01:22:56,320
Speaker 1: and strollers and puppies and and I've actually been up

1790
01:22:56,320 --> 01:22:58,599
Speaker 1: at the m before and turned around and started hiking

1791
01:22:58,600 --> 01:23:00,640
Speaker 1: down and had a bear coming up the trail towards me,

1792
01:23:00,680 --> 01:23:02,519
Speaker 1: a black bear. He just came off the hill, didn't

1793
01:23:02,520 --> 01:23:03,920
Speaker 1: know there was a bunch of people around, hit the

1794
01:23:03,920 --> 01:23:06,080
Speaker 1: trail started coming up. All of a sudden, he sees me.

1795
01:23:06,439 --> 01:23:08,160
Speaker 1: I got a picture of him he turns, runs back

1796
01:23:08,200 --> 01:23:10,800
Speaker 1: up the hill, and thirty seconds later, here comes a

1797
01:23:10,800 --> 01:23:12,920
Speaker 1: couple of girls with a puppy coming up the trail.

1798
01:23:13,000 --> 01:23:15,840
Speaker 1: I'm like, I don't want to scare you, but there

1799
01:23:15,920 --> 01:23:18,479
Speaker 1: was a bear here one minute ago, and just keep

1800
01:23:18,520 --> 01:23:20,160
Speaker 1: track of your puppy. And they're like, okay, I think

1801
01:23:20,200 --> 01:23:22,160
Speaker 1: we'll turn around, you know, and they left. But you

1802
01:23:22,240 --> 01:23:24,120
Speaker 1: never know where that can happen, a mountain lion or

1803
01:23:24,160 --> 01:23:26,519
Speaker 1: a bear or whatever the situation might be. Yeah, we

1804
01:23:26,560 --> 01:23:27,920
Speaker 1: were very much. We're doing a lot of work here

1805
01:23:27,920 --> 01:23:31,000
Speaker 1: at Mediator on that, like practical not survivals, like said,

1806
01:23:31,040 --> 01:23:34,519
Speaker 1: not surprival skills, but practical survival like getting back to

1807
01:23:34,560 --> 01:23:37,599
Speaker 1: the truck, you know, not not bear girls being able

1808
01:23:37,640 --> 01:23:42,120
Speaker 1: to jump off a waterfall and that's not a good thing,

1809
01:23:42,160 --> 01:23:44,680
Speaker 1: or to jump out of a helicopter. That's this the

1810
01:23:44,720 --> 01:23:48,479
Speaker 1: practical win. We thought a lot about, hey, like gas

1811
01:23:48,520 --> 01:23:50,920
Speaker 1: station survival. If you if you're going on a day

1812
01:23:50,960 --> 01:23:52,679
Speaker 1: trip and you stop at the gas and he's like, wait,

1813
01:23:52,720 --> 01:23:54,439
Speaker 1: I don't have a lighter, I don't have a this,

1814
01:23:54,560 --> 01:23:56,599
Speaker 1: I don't have I don't have this, this and this.

1815
01:23:57,200 --> 01:24:00,160
Speaker 1: There's there's so many things that you can carry and

1816
01:24:00,160 --> 01:24:03,360
Speaker 1: in ways that you can approach, you know, practical survival,

1817
01:24:03,600 --> 01:24:06,680
Speaker 1: just to make sure they always have these things on you.

1818
01:24:07,280 --> 01:24:09,519
Speaker 1: So it's super interesting. I have all that stuff in

1819
01:24:09,520 --> 01:24:11,680
Speaker 1: my truck. I just like like three or four of

1820
01:24:11,720 --> 01:24:14,120
Speaker 1: everything in my truck under the seat and behind here

1821
01:24:14,160 --> 01:24:16,599
Speaker 1: in this cubby hole. And it's like, so no matter

1822
01:24:16,600 --> 01:24:18,559
Speaker 1: where I go, I've got something. It's like I'm gonna

1823
01:24:18,560 --> 01:24:19,800
Speaker 1: go here, and I end up at the trail head,

1824
01:24:19,840 --> 01:24:21,559
Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, I have it in this pack. Can

1825
01:24:21,600 --> 01:24:23,280
Speaker 1: I have this over here? And I just loaded all

1826
01:24:23,360 --> 01:24:25,680
Speaker 1: up and I'm ready to go. I mean, there's just

1827
01:24:25,680 --> 01:24:27,559
Speaker 1: certain things for me. I have like a Pelican case

1828
01:24:27,800 --> 01:24:29,600
Speaker 1: that has all my backup stuff in my truck. But

1829
01:24:29,600 --> 01:24:32,040
Speaker 1: then I've always got my medical kid and and other

1830
01:24:32,080 --> 01:24:34,519
Speaker 1: things that I know I have. For whatever reason, I'm

1831
01:24:34,520 --> 01:24:37,000
Speaker 1: always even if it's summertime, I always carry hot hands.

1832
01:24:37,040 --> 01:24:39,840
Speaker 1: Always carry like handwarmers and their light and you can

1833
01:24:40,080 --> 01:24:42,559
Speaker 1: shove them in a spot and for whatever reason if

1834
01:24:42,560 --> 01:24:45,719
Speaker 1: you're cold warming up, always have a fire start, always

1835
01:24:45,760 --> 01:24:48,040
Speaker 1: have a lighter, those those types of things. Always put

1836
01:24:48,080 --> 01:24:51,000
Speaker 1: lighters in different spots around again in case you lose

1837
01:24:51,040 --> 01:24:52,439
Speaker 1: your pack. So there's a bunch of that that goes

1838
01:24:52,439 --> 01:24:54,879
Speaker 1: on that that I find as a bunch of interesting

1839
01:24:55,640 --> 01:24:59,000
Speaker 1: as anything else. I always have your sky Blade knife

1840
01:24:59,000 --> 01:25:02,120
Speaker 1: on you always sky Blade dot com. Is that sky

1841
01:25:02,200 --> 01:25:05,120
Speaker 1: Blade knives dot com knives dot com. Um, So, I

1842
01:25:05,200 --> 01:25:07,000
Speaker 1: got a couple of segments I want to do with you.

1843
01:25:07,280 --> 01:25:09,920
Speaker 1: Um The first one is perfect because it's called What's

1844
01:25:09,920 --> 01:25:11,960
Speaker 1: in your pack? But this case we're gonna change it

1845
01:25:12,000 --> 01:25:14,240
Speaker 1: to what's in your medical kit? Because I feel like

1846
01:25:14,320 --> 01:25:17,200
Speaker 1: that leads right into what we're talking about. Um, what

1847
01:25:17,240 --> 01:25:19,000
Speaker 1: do you carry today in your medical kid? What's it

1848
01:25:19,000 --> 01:25:21,040
Speaker 1: look like? You know, what is it? And what's it?

1849
01:25:21,120 --> 01:25:24,880
Speaker 1: You know what exactly is in that for my medical kit?

1850
01:25:25,000 --> 01:25:28,520
Speaker 1: If I'm just out for the day, I'm I'm very basic. Basically,

1851
01:25:28,560 --> 01:25:31,240
Speaker 1: I have duct tape. I love that, dude. We're talking

1852
01:25:31,240 --> 01:25:34,280
Speaker 1: about the the uses for duct tape. Duct tape can

1853
01:25:34,280 --> 01:25:36,320
Speaker 1: work for just about anything. Worked in the bar attack.

1854
01:25:36,360 --> 01:25:39,280
Speaker 1: You could just I could take my head back together,

1855
01:25:39,320 --> 01:25:42,320
Speaker 1: my scout back up. I think duct tape is very important.

1856
01:25:42,439 --> 01:25:44,439
Speaker 1: I carry, you know, I carry a few bandages in

1857
01:25:44,439 --> 01:25:46,600
Speaker 1: case you just have you know, some minor cut or

1858
01:25:46,640 --> 01:25:48,920
Speaker 1: something and it's just irritating all day. But you can

1859
01:25:48,920 --> 01:25:51,120
Speaker 1: still a little toilet paper and duct tape does the

1860
01:25:51,160 --> 01:25:54,240
Speaker 1: same thing, so that's usually what I'll carry. Um, I've

1861
01:25:54,280 --> 01:25:55,519
Speaker 1: got some of that. I don't know what the heck

1862
01:25:55,520 --> 01:25:58,519
Speaker 1: it's called, but it's like that that stretchy kind of

1863
01:25:58,520 --> 01:26:00,280
Speaker 1: horse wrap stuff that you see him wrap and like

1864
01:26:00,320 --> 01:26:02,880
Speaker 1: horses and use that for medical stuff too. I have

1865
01:26:02,920 --> 01:26:04,720
Speaker 1: a keep a roll of that my pack because if

1866
01:26:04,760 --> 01:26:06,400
Speaker 1: you's some kind of a wound, that stuff can just

1867
01:26:06,439 --> 01:26:09,320
Speaker 1: wrap really tight around itself and it's you know, you

1868
01:26:09,360 --> 01:26:13,240
Speaker 1: can still flexible can also, Yeah, So I carry that,

1869
01:26:13,280 --> 01:26:15,439
Speaker 1: but pretty minimal stuff really as far as my first

1870
01:26:15,520 --> 01:26:18,320
Speaker 1: aid kit. More of it's uh uh, you know, I

1871
01:26:18,439 --> 01:26:20,120
Speaker 1: know that I can I'm gonna get out of the woods.

1872
01:26:20,160 --> 01:26:22,519
Speaker 1: I just gotta tape to stop the bleeding. So it's

1873
01:26:22,600 --> 01:26:24,760
Speaker 1: like some minimal type thing to stop the bleeding or

1874
01:26:24,800 --> 01:26:28,400
Speaker 1: to put a bandage around something or a splint on

1875
01:26:28,439 --> 01:26:30,280
Speaker 1: a leg or an arm and get myself out of

1876
01:26:30,280 --> 01:26:32,320
Speaker 1: the woods. And it stays that way even if you're like, hey,

1877
01:26:32,320 --> 01:26:34,479
Speaker 1: I'm going on a six day backpack trip, it stays

1878
01:26:34,479 --> 01:26:36,280
Speaker 1: that light. I mean, if it's if it's for like

1879
01:26:36,320 --> 01:26:38,639
Speaker 1: a week, I'll just maybe add a little bit more

1880
01:26:38,680 --> 01:26:40,160
Speaker 1: of the same kind of stuff or just make sure

1881
01:26:40,200 --> 01:26:43,240
Speaker 1: I've got enough. Um. But you know, the longer you're

1882
01:26:43,280 --> 01:26:45,519
Speaker 1: on a backpacking trip, the lighter you want to be too.

1883
01:26:45,560 --> 01:26:47,120
Speaker 1: So I don't want to get too much in there

1884
01:26:47,320 --> 01:26:49,280
Speaker 1: make me feel the minor. When it comes to medical stuff,

1885
01:26:49,320 --> 01:26:51,599
Speaker 1: I'm like, this is gonna this will help me survive,

1886
01:26:51,720 --> 01:26:54,519
Speaker 1: but it may not be comfortable, but it'll get me

1887
01:26:54,520 --> 01:26:58,080
Speaker 1: out of the woods. My wife one time she was looking.

1888
01:26:58,160 --> 01:27:00,200
Speaker 1: She discovered that I had a medical kid and was

1889
01:27:00,240 --> 01:27:02,679
Speaker 1: looking what was in there, and I remember her looking

1890
01:27:02,680 --> 01:27:04,120
Speaker 1: in then I remember the nex hunt. I went in

1891
01:27:04,160 --> 01:27:05,880
Speaker 1: and I needed to get something out of their band

1892
01:27:05,920 --> 01:27:07,519
Speaker 1: aid or something to open it up, and there was

1893
01:27:07,560 --> 01:27:11,400
Speaker 1: like disinfecting lotions and ship that ship put there. Yeah.

1894
01:27:11,600 --> 01:27:14,639
Speaker 1: I was like, that's a big medical kit in my truck,

1895
01:27:14,880 --> 01:27:16,559
Speaker 1: you know, when you're you need to get back to

1896
01:27:16,560 --> 01:27:18,439
Speaker 1: a truck or if your car camping or something. But

1897
01:27:18,520 --> 01:27:22,559
Speaker 1: on myself, yeah, fairly minimal. Um. If I'm camping like

1898
01:27:22,600 --> 01:27:24,280
Speaker 1: for a week, I might have some kind of first

1899
01:27:24,280 --> 01:27:26,040
Speaker 1: aid ointment or something like that. In case you do

1900
01:27:26,120 --> 01:27:27,960
Speaker 1: get something, it's a little more comfortable for five or

1901
01:27:27,960 --> 01:27:29,640
Speaker 1: six days out there in the desert when you can

1902
01:27:29,640 --> 01:27:33,439
Speaker 1: put something else on there, you know as well, Oh good, um,

1903
01:27:33,479 --> 01:27:35,160
Speaker 1: the only other you know. I think we've learned a

1904
01:27:35,160 --> 01:27:38,240
Speaker 1: lot about this attack and then um, kind of the

1905
01:27:38,280 --> 01:27:40,600
Speaker 1: aftermath of it, which was a lot of attention, but

1906
01:27:41,240 --> 01:27:42,880
Speaker 1: learn a little bit more about you. So we've got

1907
01:27:42,880 --> 01:27:45,240
Speaker 1: another statement called first times where when I actually, like

1908
01:27:46,000 --> 01:27:48,759
Speaker 1: some firsts in your life, we won't get two personal

1909
01:27:48,840 --> 01:27:51,800
Speaker 1: like first love or first two. Won't go there more

1910
01:27:51,880 --> 01:27:55,040
Speaker 1: hunting related, but like first first rifle, what wasn't who

1911
01:27:55,040 --> 01:27:57,559
Speaker 1: gave it to you? My first rifle? My first rifle

1912
01:27:57,680 --> 01:28:01,360
Speaker 1: was a Winchester Model N dirty latter action that my

1913
01:28:01,439 --> 01:28:04,080
Speaker 1: grandpa gave me when I was just a kid, and

1914
01:28:04,120 --> 01:28:06,799
Speaker 1: I had it for a couple of years before hunting season.

1915
01:28:07,240 --> 01:28:09,599
Speaker 1: And I remember, right about a week before hunting season,

1916
01:28:09,640 --> 01:28:13,200
Speaker 1: we went out to site it in and realized that

1917
01:28:13,360 --> 01:28:15,360
Speaker 1: it was just open sites at this point, and the

1918
01:28:15,439 --> 01:28:17,680
Speaker 1: front post on it had been broke off clean and

1919
01:28:17,720 --> 01:28:19,760
Speaker 1: it looked like it was a regular front sight but

1920
01:28:19,800 --> 01:28:22,120
Speaker 1: had been broke off. So we're shooting and everything was

1921
01:28:22,160 --> 01:28:24,720
Speaker 1: shooting really high because the front site was broke off.

1922
01:28:25,080 --> 01:28:26,800
Speaker 1: So we tried to find my dad tried to find

1923
01:28:26,800 --> 01:28:28,840
Speaker 1: a front site for this old model ninety four and

1924
01:28:28,880 --> 01:28:31,240
Speaker 1: we couldn't find anything around Bozeman or a US you know,

1925
01:28:31,400 --> 01:28:35,000
Speaker 1: forty years ago. So we're here in Bozeman like a

1926
01:28:35,240 --> 01:28:37,240
Speaker 1: hardware store and the guy's like, now, we don't have

1927
01:28:37,240 --> 01:28:38,920
Speaker 1: anything like that, but he's like, I know a guy

1928
01:28:39,000 --> 01:28:42,719
Speaker 1: with a TO seventy for sale out in Belgrade and

1929
01:28:42,800 --> 01:28:45,160
Speaker 1: so he's like pretty cheap. He's moving or something. So

1930
01:28:45,200 --> 01:28:47,439
Speaker 1: we drove up to this guy's house and we're like, us,

1931
01:28:47,439 --> 01:28:51,160
Speaker 1: here's this. It was J. C. Higgins Sears and Roebuck

1932
01:28:52,160 --> 01:28:57,439
Speaker 1: to seventy rifle, and it was it had a mouser

1933
01:28:57,520 --> 01:28:59,719
Speaker 1: action on it, so it's a really good action everything,

1934
01:28:59,760 --> 01:29:01,720
Speaker 1: you know. And he wanted a hundred bucks for it

1935
01:29:01,720 --> 01:29:03,800
Speaker 1: with a two to seven power red field scope and

1936
01:29:03,840 --> 01:29:06,320
Speaker 1: a sling and like two boxes of shells. So I

1937
01:29:06,360 --> 01:29:09,240
Speaker 1: never actually hunted with the thirty thirty because we couldn't

1938
01:29:09,240 --> 01:29:11,200
Speaker 1: find a site before hunting season four it. So my

1939
01:29:11,280 --> 01:29:13,880
Speaker 1: first rifle I started hunting with was the TO seventy.

1940
01:29:14,280 --> 01:29:16,320
Speaker 1: So how long did you hunt with it? I still

1941
01:29:16,360 --> 01:29:18,599
Speaker 1: have it. I hunted with it until I started bow

1942
01:29:18,680 --> 01:29:20,840
Speaker 1: hunting and pistol hunting. So I started bow hunting when

1943
01:29:20,840 --> 01:29:25,160
Speaker 1: I was fourteen, and UH shot at Elkin High School

1944
01:29:25,479 --> 01:29:28,160
Speaker 1: nice six point both with my bow, and then I

1945
01:29:28,160 --> 01:29:32,120
Speaker 1: got into my I got into snowboarding, dislocated my shoulders

1946
01:29:32,120 --> 01:29:35,519
Speaker 1: snowboarding quick story, and so then I couldn't pull the bow.

1947
01:29:35,600 --> 01:29:37,519
Speaker 1: So I'm like, Okay, I need to do something besides

1948
01:29:37,560 --> 01:29:39,320
Speaker 1: going back to the rifle, because I was pretty easy

1949
01:29:39,320 --> 01:29:41,120
Speaker 1: to hunt with. So I went to pistol hunting. So

1950
01:29:41,160 --> 01:29:44,720
Speaker 1: I've been pistol hunting for thirty years now, and I

1951
01:29:44,920 --> 01:29:51,120
Speaker 1: shot twenty eight bull elk with a that no. I

1952
01:29:51,400 --> 01:29:54,800
Speaker 1: shot twenty seven of them with forty four magnum. It's

1953
01:29:54,800 --> 01:29:57,960
Speaker 1: a Ruger Super Red Hawk revolver and a half inch barrel,

1954
01:29:58,000 --> 01:30:00,000
Speaker 1: got a scope. One of the first pistols I ever shot.

1955
01:30:00,120 --> 01:30:02,720
Speaker 1: As a little tiny kid, I was I don't know

1956
01:30:02,760 --> 01:30:04,760
Speaker 1: my neighbor. I think my neighborhood have given it to

1957
01:30:04,840 --> 01:30:06,600
Speaker 1: me or handed to me at the range. Pull a

1958
01:30:06,640 --> 01:30:08,719
Speaker 1: trigger on this thing. I was like twelve years ahold.

1959
01:30:08,760 --> 01:30:10,840
Speaker 1: I was a tiny human. Oh it didn't work out.

1960
01:30:10,960 --> 01:30:13,400
Speaker 1: So I shot most of them with that, and then

1961
01:30:13,520 --> 01:30:16,040
Speaker 1: the last bowl that I shot at the pistol was

1962
01:30:16,080 --> 01:30:17,719
Speaker 1: with the tennant man. The one that kid was carrying

1963
01:30:17,720 --> 01:30:19,880
Speaker 1: that day actually had a scope on that as well.

1964
01:30:20,040 --> 01:30:22,439
Speaker 1: So well, that leads me to the other first time

1965
01:30:22,560 --> 01:30:26,280
Speaker 1: thing first elk. Let's hear that story first alluded to it. Okay,

1966
01:30:26,360 --> 01:30:30,439
Speaker 1: so here the full ten years old and opening day Saturday,

1967
01:30:30,479 --> 01:30:32,920
Speaker 1: opening day of hunting season, and it was with my

1968
01:30:33,000 --> 01:30:36,000
Speaker 1: dad and we hiked up on the mountain and he's like, okay,

1969
01:30:36,000 --> 01:30:38,000
Speaker 1: the strip of timber, I'm gonna kind of circle around

1970
01:30:38,000 --> 01:30:39,880
Speaker 1: the backside and see if there's any elk in here,

1971
01:30:39,880 --> 01:30:41,280
Speaker 1: and you just kind of hang out along the edge

1972
01:30:41,320 --> 01:30:42,920
Speaker 1: where you can watch. And so I just kind of

1973
01:30:42,920 --> 01:30:45,160
Speaker 1: on a little stand there. And opening day of my

1974
01:30:45,160 --> 01:30:47,120
Speaker 1: first year of hunting, I hunted with my dad a lot,

1975
01:30:47,600 --> 01:30:49,720
Speaker 1: just following him. But this is actually where I could

1976
01:30:49,800 --> 01:30:51,880
Speaker 1: kill something. And that's a big deal, right because I

1977
01:30:51,920 --> 01:30:53,479
Speaker 1: had the same thing like hunting my dad a little bit.

1978
01:30:53,479 --> 01:30:55,320
Speaker 1: You never got a rifle and never to hold the rifle.

1979
01:30:55,400 --> 01:30:58,880
Speaker 1: And then yeah, it's like the first time you sting

1980
01:30:58,880 --> 01:31:01,040
Speaker 1: there watching like okay, what's gonna happen? And all of

1981
01:31:01,080 --> 01:31:03,599
Speaker 1: a sudden Dad had made the circle through the trees

1982
01:31:03,640 --> 01:31:05,640
Speaker 1: and like four or five elk came out. One of

1983
01:31:05,640 --> 01:31:08,160
Speaker 1: them was a really really large five by five bull,

1984
01:31:08,760 --> 01:31:10,559
Speaker 1: and he came out at about a hundred yards in

1985
01:31:10,600 --> 01:31:12,080
Speaker 1: front of me, and I put a couple of rounds

1986
01:31:12,120 --> 01:31:14,360
Speaker 1: into him and dropped him dead right in the opening there.

1987
01:31:14,400 --> 01:31:17,519
Speaker 1: And so another fifteen minutes later he came back out

1988
01:31:17,560 --> 01:31:20,360
Speaker 1: and we were able to actually had an old jeep

1989
01:31:20,400 --> 01:31:22,240
Speaker 1: trail that came down the ridge right there, and able

1990
01:31:22,280 --> 01:31:23,680
Speaker 1: to back up and throw it in the back of

1991
01:31:23,720 --> 01:31:28,760
Speaker 1: the land Cruiser jeep. He was opening day and then

1992
01:31:28,800 --> 01:31:30,640
Speaker 1: then so we got that home pretty easily, and then

1993
01:31:30,640 --> 01:31:33,240
Speaker 1: then we got it hung up. And the next morning Sunday,

1994
01:31:33,320 --> 01:31:35,519
Speaker 1: second day, and we went back kind of the same

1995
01:31:35,720 --> 01:31:38,920
Speaker 1: similar kind of the same area within a mile the

1996
01:31:38,920 --> 01:31:41,840
Speaker 1: same area, and hiking with my dad and his nice

1997
01:31:41,880 --> 01:31:44,080
Speaker 1: buck comes out on the ridge and Dad's looks like

1998
01:31:44,160 --> 01:31:46,760
Speaker 1: He's like, it's about three yards kind of uphill, it's

1999
01:31:46,760 --> 01:31:48,680
Speaker 1: a long shot, Like do you want to chance it?

2000
01:31:48,720 --> 01:31:51,680
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'll try it. He's like, okay, hold, He's like,

2001
01:31:51,720 --> 01:31:53,840
Speaker 1: hold right above its neck, so you're gonna be hit

2002
01:31:53,880 --> 01:31:55,519
Speaker 1: in the neck and kill it or you're gonna miss it.

2003
01:31:55,560 --> 01:31:56,880
Speaker 1: I don't want to wound it, you know. And so

2004
01:31:56,920 --> 01:31:58,800
Speaker 1: I remember just holding above its neck and squeeze the

2005
01:31:58,800 --> 01:32:00,839
Speaker 1: trigger off and it just fell dead in its tracks

2006
01:32:00,880 --> 01:32:03,679
Speaker 1: and shot as a twenty four inch five by five

2007
01:32:03,760 --> 01:32:07,599
Speaker 1: Mealy wide. So the first first weekend, I'd killed my

2008
01:32:07,600 --> 01:32:10,400
Speaker 1: bowl and my in my buck, and I remember going

2009
01:32:10,400 --> 01:32:12,880
Speaker 1: back to school on Monday morning, and you know, everybody's like, oh,

2010
01:32:12,880 --> 01:32:14,479
Speaker 1: did you get out hunting. It's like, yeah, I got

2011
01:32:14,479 --> 01:32:17,400
Speaker 1: out and filled both my tags, and now everybody's like, oh,

2012
01:32:17,520 --> 01:32:19,080
Speaker 1: you know, wow, how did you do that? You know?

2013
01:32:19,640 --> 01:32:21,519
Speaker 1: And I just felt like that was easy. And then,

2014
01:32:21,560 --> 01:32:23,599
Speaker 1: you know, I learned years later that it's not always

2015
01:32:23,600 --> 01:32:25,320
Speaker 1: that easy. I was just lucky the first year and

2016
01:32:25,680 --> 01:32:27,519
Speaker 1: put a lot of time in to get him. After that,

2017
01:32:27,640 --> 01:32:29,519
Speaker 1: I had the opposite. I had the opposite experience. I

2018
01:32:29,640 --> 01:32:31,639
Speaker 1: very much. I missed I think like three or four

2019
01:32:31,720 --> 01:32:34,120
Speaker 1: deer with I mean I was on with a to seventy.

2020
01:32:34,240 --> 01:32:37,320
Speaker 1: I think now I forget what I'm saying that. So

2021
01:32:37,600 --> 01:32:40,040
Speaker 1: with a center fire rifle, I missed the first three deer.

2022
01:32:40,439 --> 01:32:43,120
Speaker 1: The fourth theater, my buddy had reloaded. My next por

2023
01:32:43,120 --> 01:32:45,360
Speaker 1: neighbor that was was kind of a hunting mentor was

2024
01:32:45,439 --> 01:32:50,920
Speaker 1: reloading cartridges. I pulled the trigger and click nothing at all.

2025
01:32:51,280 --> 01:32:53,320
Speaker 1: You know, a nice little four point buck just stand

2026
01:32:53,400 --> 01:32:54,840
Speaker 1: right in front of me. I'm a little kid, I'm like,

2027
01:32:54,920 --> 01:32:57,080
Speaker 1: this is perfect, and I was I remember leaning over

2028
01:32:57,120 --> 01:32:59,559
Speaker 1: a log, and I was looking at this deer through

2029
01:32:59,560 --> 01:33:03,439
Speaker 1: the scope like, oh, this is nothing bummer. Then I said,

2030
01:33:03,880 --> 01:33:05,799
Speaker 1: I was, you know, twelve, and I said, oh ship

2031
01:33:05,920 --> 01:33:08,760
Speaker 1: in the deer I saw that turned off and ran.

2032
01:33:09,160 --> 01:33:10,960
Speaker 1: And so it turned out that the log that I

2033
01:33:11,000 --> 01:33:14,120
Speaker 1: was laying across was then for forever, for then on

2034
01:33:14,240 --> 01:33:17,280
Speaker 1: called the ship log. So I ended up over the

2035
01:33:17,320 --> 01:33:19,160
Speaker 1: years killed a lot of deer over the ship. Okay,

2036
01:33:19,280 --> 01:33:22,719
Speaker 1: that's good. He's ever named the ship log for years

2037
01:33:22,760 --> 01:33:26,880
Speaker 1: after that? Um, what what else? For? First? First, what's

2038
01:33:26,880 --> 01:33:29,040
Speaker 1: your first truck? First vehicle? That's a good one. That's

2039
01:33:29,040 --> 01:33:32,439
Speaker 1: always a good first vehicle. Uh, it's in high school

2040
01:33:32,680 --> 01:33:38,080
Speaker 1: and the neighbor had this old seventy five Plymouth Grand Fury.

2041
01:33:38,240 --> 01:33:40,880
Speaker 1: It was it was a lawn ex law enforcement car

2042
01:33:41,439 --> 01:33:43,840
Speaker 1: and had like an Idaho law enforcement sticker on it.

2043
01:33:43,840 --> 01:33:46,000
Speaker 1: It was like the gold color with the white vinyl

2044
01:33:46,080 --> 01:33:48,400
Speaker 1: top and thing, and it's like the big boat. You know.

2045
01:33:48,400 --> 01:33:50,680
Speaker 1: I had a three sixty Chrysler engine in it, and

2046
01:33:50,760 --> 01:33:52,560
Speaker 1: it was an old auction. He got it from a

2047
01:33:52,600 --> 01:33:55,240
Speaker 1: government auction for insult to me for five dred bucks.

2048
01:33:55,720 --> 01:33:57,640
Speaker 1: It's perfect. Being in high school and you got this,

2049
01:33:57,840 --> 01:33:59,720
Speaker 1: you know this like car. That's just so much, so

2050
01:33:59,800 --> 01:34:02,040
Speaker 1: much power, you know. And so I had the whole

2051
01:34:02,080 --> 01:34:04,040
Speaker 1: trunk full of all my camping gear and all my

2052
01:34:04,080 --> 01:34:05,880
Speaker 1: guns and everything in the back seat. Had lots of

2053
01:34:05,960 --> 01:34:07,360
Speaker 1: room in that thing, like a pick up, the whole

2054
01:34:07,360 --> 01:34:10,280
Speaker 1: stuff around. But that was my first vehicle. And then

2055
01:34:10,320 --> 01:34:13,000
Speaker 1: I got some V bar chains for the back and

2056
01:34:13,000 --> 01:34:14,519
Speaker 1: I chained that thing up and I could go just

2057
01:34:14,560 --> 01:34:16,559
Speaker 1: about anywhere pickup to go because that had so much

2058
01:34:16,560 --> 01:34:18,559
Speaker 1: power and he was a heavy I could see you

2059
01:34:18,640 --> 01:34:21,920
Speaker 1: rolling down a track road. Yeah. Yeah, that was my

2060
01:34:21,960 --> 01:34:24,320
Speaker 1: first vehicles. That a lady Killer. The ladies like that vehicle.

2061
01:34:24,320 --> 01:34:26,960
Speaker 1: They did, Yeah, yeah, they did good. I always start

2062
01:34:27,000 --> 01:34:30,120
Speaker 1: with saying, like I drove a van. Drove a van

2063
01:34:30,200 --> 01:34:32,640
Speaker 1: for a while, so there's nothing you could say, No,

2064
01:34:32,800 --> 01:34:36,120
Speaker 1: I was if I was sure, you picture this be like,

2065
01:34:36,160 --> 01:34:40,920
Speaker 1: there's nothing worse. Yeah, in a sixteen year old driving creepy. Yeah,

2066
01:34:40,920 --> 01:34:42,680
Speaker 1: it's very creepy, a lot of like I said, a

2067
01:34:42,720 --> 01:34:45,960
Speaker 1: lot of room for camping and sleeping. That was my

2068
01:34:46,000 --> 01:34:48,400
Speaker 1: first vehicle. But then after like a year or two,

2069
01:34:48,479 --> 01:34:50,120
Speaker 1: I was like, okay, I need a four wheel drive.

2070
01:34:50,439 --> 01:34:53,280
Speaker 1: And my dad had had a Toyota land Cruiser cheap

2071
01:34:53,640 --> 01:34:55,400
Speaker 1: and so I just said, I need a land cruiser

2072
01:34:55,479 --> 01:34:57,479
Speaker 1: cheap as well, because they'll go over and through anything.

2073
01:34:57,560 --> 01:35:00,080
Speaker 1: So I went and bought a like a yeah in

2074
01:35:00,160 --> 01:35:02,400
Speaker 1: nineteen seven was a seventy five or some seventy six

2075
01:35:02,439 --> 01:35:04,439
Speaker 1: land cruiser jeep, one of the blue ones we see

2076
01:35:04,479 --> 01:35:07,200
Speaker 1: around the classics. And had that for a few years

2077
01:35:07,240 --> 01:35:08,880
Speaker 1: and good and afford that had to go to a

2078
01:35:08,920 --> 01:35:10,920
Speaker 1: Subaru for a while. And I've been a pick up

2079
01:35:10,960 --> 01:35:13,320
Speaker 1: guy for the last twenty years. Well, regardless of you're

2080
01:35:13,439 --> 01:35:16,559
Speaker 1: you're living in in why I would call God's Country,

2081
01:35:16,640 --> 01:35:20,280
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, absolutely, well as yeah, it's my first first

2082
01:35:20,320 --> 01:35:25,800
Speaker 1: winter here. It's snowing right now, uh in April or

2083
01:35:25,920 --> 01:35:29,599
Speaker 1: whatever it is, um, but it's it's it's been great

2084
01:35:29,640 --> 01:35:31,760
Speaker 1: to chat with you, I think again, I think you

2085
01:35:31,800 --> 01:35:35,360
Speaker 1: were a part of maybe the most famous modern you know,

2086
01:35:35,479 --> 01:35:38,400
Speaker 1: recorded bear attacks. That's not how I wanted to get famous,

2087
01:35:38,439 --> 01:35:40,800
Speaker 1: that's what I figured. So there's been some positive sides,

2088
01:35:40,960 --> 01:35:42,479
Speaker 1: you know, thanks to it. I've you know, I've went

2089
01:35:42,560 --> 01:35:45,240
Speaker 1: from like not wanting to do any kind of talking

2090
01:35:45,280 --> 01:35:47,479
Speaker 1: to not having any problems sitting down now and been

2091
01:35:47,479 --> 01:35:50,080
Speaker 1: on how many times you figured you told this story

2092
01:35:50,120 --> 01:35:53,920
Speaker 1: that hit there's a lot of five hundred times more

2093
01:35:54,800 --> 01:35:59,000
Speaker 1: probably done, maybe done like thirty interviews. But I've told

2094
01:35:59,360 --> 01:36:03,360
Speaker 1: so many people over the over a beer this exact story.

2095
01:36:03,640 --> 01:36:06,840
Speaker 1: Well we're That's what I'll get to get people excited

2096
01:36:06,880 --> 01:36:11,120
Speaker 1: the five first time. Todd right here his bearer sex

2097
01:36:11,120 --> 01:36:13,800
Speaker 1: story right here on the Hunting Collected. Thanks Todd Man.

2098
01:36:13,800 --> 01:36:16,200
Speaker 1: I really appreciate it. Thank you appreciate it all right, brother,

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Speaker 1: that's it. That's all. Another episode of the podcast in

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Speaker 1: the books. Thanks to Todd Or thanks to jannest but

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Speaker 1: tell us. Thanks to all you bears out there. Um,

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Speaker 1: we do love you. We do love you, even though

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Speaker 1: you attack us every once in a while. But a

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Speaker 1: good podcast. And again thanks to everyone listened and commented

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Speaker 1: on last week's episode, which was Bryan Callahan talking about

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Speaker 1: his love life that seemed to be popular, Cam Haynes

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Speaker 1: talking about social media and Adam green shreet poaching case

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Speaker 1: and all those other things. We love the new format,

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Speaker 1: the new music. Um, I hope you love it too.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna keep on rolling, keep adding new partners, keep

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Speaker 1: adding awesome guests. And next week we're gonna be joined

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Speaker 1: by Miles Nolte of the Mediator Crew and also how Hering,

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Speaker 1: who was the writer, conservationist and the host of the

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Speaker 1: b h A podcast as well. So you're gonna like

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Speaker 1: what how has to say next week, So stick around

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Speaker 1: with that next Tuesday. We'll see you. Thank bye. Jack

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Speaker 1: Daniel's Oh number seven Tennessee, who whiskey got me dragging

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Speaker 1: in heaven? And uh and just stop it looks good

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Speaker 1: to me. They're gonna have to department to the far red,

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Speaker 1: oh far red heaven s.