1 00:00:01,000 --> 00:00:03,160 Speaker 1: What's up friends that welcome back to Fantasy Pros. This 2 00:00:03,320 --> 00:00:06,320 Speaker 1: is the Fantasy Football Podcast. It's the early rank series. 3 00:00:06,519 --> 00:00:10,879 Speaker 1: We did wide receivers. Today we've got running back, Top 4 00:00:10,960 --> 00:00:14,120 Speaker 1: thirty six running back. We're going to be talking all through. 5 00:00:14,280 --> 00:00:16,680 Speaker 1: I'm Chris Welsh, I've got Pat Bits Morris and Tara 6 00:00:16,760 --> 00:00:18,599 Speaker 1: Roberts with me. We are going to be going and 7 00:00:18,600 --> 00:00:21,360 Speaker 1: looking at the tears. We're going to be looking at targets, 8 00:00:21,880 --> 00:00:24,080 Speaker 1: what are the values and really what does the consensus 9 00:00:24,200 --> 00:00:27,640 Speaker 1: ranks look like? Those consensus ranks you can find at 10 00:00:27,640 --> 00:00:31,000 Speaker 1: fantasypros dot com slash rankings where it is our team, 11 00:00:31,400 --> 00:00:34,080 Speaker 1: it is people around the industry. They're putting all these 12 00:00:34,120 --> 00:00:37,280 Speaker 1: bad boys down. It creates a fun consensus ranks. And 13 00:00:37,760 --> 00:00:40,680 Speaker 1: throughout the next couple months it's going to continue to change. 14 00:00:40,680 --> 00:00:43,480 Speaker 1: So this conversation continues to go and maybe it'll even 15 00:00:43,479 --> 00:00:45,440 Speaker 1: be driven Some of the change might be driven by 16 00:00:45,440 --> 00:00:48,199 Speaker 1: some of the conversations we are going to have here today. 17 00:00:48,360 --> 00:00:52,519 Speaker 1: Tarr Roberts running backs always a great conversation around do 18 00:00:52,560 --> 00:00:54,960 Speaker 1: I take wide receivers at the top and they're more chalky? 19 00:00:55,360 --> 00:00:55,520 Speaker 2: Is it? 20 00:00:55,600 --> 00:00:58,640 Speaker 1: Running backs? Running Backs created definitely more of a floor 21 00:00:58,840 --> 00:01:01,120 Speaker 1: last season. Do you think we're going to see more 22 00:01:01,120 --> 00:01:03,560 Speaker 1: of a discrepancy especially well, discrepancy is maybe not the 23 00:01:03,600 --> 00:01:05,000 Speaker 1: right word, but do you think we're going to see 24 00:01:05,040 --> 00:01:06,959 Speaker 1: more of a variance this year, that the top half 25 00:01:07,040 --> 00:01:09,720 Speaker 1: of the first round is going to be weighted to 26 00:01:09,760 --> 00:01:11,399 Speaker 1: a little bit more running backs than we've seen in 27 00:01:11,440 --> 00:01:13,800 Speaker 1: the past. Or do you think I guess that we're 28 00:01:13,840 --> 00:01:17,240 Speaker 1: chalk again that floor of what wide receivers provide overall, 29 00:01:17,280 --> 00:01:19,120 Speaker 1: even though it wasn't so much last year, is going 30 00:01:19,200 --> 00:01:20,920 Speaker 1: to just take back over and people just can't help 31 00:01:20,959 --> 00:01:22,360 Speaker 1: themselves anti running backs. 32 00:01:22,800 --> 00:01:23,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm torn. 33 00:01:23,600 --> 00:01:26,600 Speaker 2: I mean, people love their wide receivers, they love zero RB, 34 00:01:27,360 --> 00:01:28,959 Speaker 2: but I think we will see a little bit of 35 00:01:29,000 --> 00:01:32,200 Speaker 2: a tilt to running back heavity heavy based off of 36 00:01:32,240 --> 00:01:32,560 Speaker 2: what we. 37 00:01:32,520 --> 00:01:33,319 Speaker 3: Saw last year. 38 00:01:33,600 --> 00:01:36,400 Speaker 2: Obviously, when something happens a trend and you have that 39 00:01:36,480 --> 00:01:40,240 Speaker 2: reliability of those early round guys giving you such an edge, that. 40 00:01:40,440 --> 00:01:41,880 Speaker 3: One might see it tilt a little bit. 41 00:01:42,000 --> 00:01:44,759 Speaker 2: So, yeah, I can see this thing where we get 42 00:01:44,760 --> 00:01:47,960 Speaker 2: these running backs with a little bit more preference than 43 00:01:48,000 --> 00:01:49,000 Speaker 2: they had last year. 44 00:01:49,760 --> 00:01:51,640 Speaker 1: Pat, it'd be fascinating, if you know, if you break 45 00:01:51,680 --> 00:01:54,680 Speaker 1: the first round twelve picks, if we ever start to 46 00:01:54,720 --> 00:01:57,960 Speaker 1: see again the weight of like seven running backs and 47 00:01:58,040 --> 00:02:00,320 Speaker 1: five wide receivers, you know, where it would be more 48 00:02:00,680 --> 00:02:03,800 Speaker 1: wide receivers ruing the day. I do find it interesting. 49 00:02:03,840 --> 00:02:05,000 Speaker 1: You know, we're going to get the big board up 50 00:02:05,000 --> 00:02:07,440 Speaker 1: here in a second, but like, I don't recall a 51 00:02:07,520 --> 00:02:10,160 Speaker 1: year where the Tier one of running backs was five 52 00:02:10,240 --> 00:02:12,320 Speaker 1: deep pat and it is that And what that tells 53 00:02:12,360 --> 00:02:15,480 Speaker 1: me is that you know, there is not only a 54 00:02:15,520 --> 00:02:18,799 Speaker 1: great weight of those top guys, but all of them 55 00:02:18,800 --> 00:02:20,840 Speaker 1: performance such a level that it's like, I think people 56 00:02:20,880 --> 00:02:22,920 Speaker 1: are going to want them more than ever that these 57 00:02:22,960 --> 00:02:25,240 Speaker 1: guys are all safe. It's that Tier one when it 58 00:02:25,280 --> 00:02:27,400 Speaker 1: was like two or three guys that everybody is attacking, 59 00:02:27,440 --> 00:02:29,240 Speaker 1: but you have five players in there and then the 60 00:02:29,240 --> 00:02:31,200 Speaker 1: top of the next round. People are going to feel 61 00:02:31,200 --> 00:02:33,040 Speaker 1: like they're losing out a little bit with all these 62 00:02:33,120 --> 00:02:35,560 Speaker 1: running back committees that are going on and the performance 63 00:02:35,560 --> 00:02:36,919 Speaker 1: we had out of rbs last year. 64 00:02:37,280 --> 00:02:40,840 Speaker 4: Yeah, sort of, But you know, Welsh, after that first tier, 65 00:02:41,120 --> 00:02:44,200 Speaker 4: like there's still some pretty attractive running backs, and when 66 00:02:44,240 --> 00:02:46,560 Speaker 4: you actually get into like the early teens at the 67 00:02:46,600 --> 00:02:49,880 Speaker 4: respective positions running backs and wide receivers, I actually think 68 00:02:49,919 --> 00:02:51,919 Speaker 4: I feel better about the running backs and the early 69 00:02:52,000 --> 00:02:53,360 Speaker 4: teams than the wide receivers. 70 00:02:54,080 --> 00:02:55,520 Speaker 1: We're going to talk about them. We're going to get 71 00:02:55,520 --> 00:02:57,120 Speaker 1: through those players. You guys want to follow along, go 72 00:02:57,160 --> 00:03:00,600 Speaker 1: to Fantasypros dot Com slash rankings you can do so. 73 00:03:00,880 --> 00:03:02,600 Speaker 1: And let's get the big board up here as we 74 00:03:02,680 --> 00:03:05,000 Speaker 1: kick this running Back Ranks episode off, we've got the 75 00:03:05,000 --> 00:03:08,200 Speaker 1: top twelve running backs in half PPR we're using here 76 00:03:08,280 --> 00:03:11,200 Speaker 1: up on Fantasy Pros coming in with your top five. 77 00:03:11,320 --> 00:03:14,040 Speaker 1: Tier one starts with Bjon Robinson at the top, Jamiir 78 00:03:14,080 --> 00:03:16,880 Speaker 1: Gibbs at two, Christian McCaffrey at three, Jonathan Taylor at four, 79 00:03:16,919 --> 00:03:18,880 Speaker 1: and James Cook at five. So those were the running 80 00:03:18,880 --> 00:03:20,320 Speaker 1: backs that we were talking about that kind of own 81 00:03:20,400 --> 00:03:23,560 Speaker 1: that top tier. The next tier where there's still plenty 82 00:03:23,560 --> 00:03:26,359 Speaker 1: of value. Ashton Genty comes in at six for Tier two, 83 00:03:26,760 --> 00:03:30,080 Speaker 1: followed by Devana h Chan, Chase Brown, Saquon Barkley, Ameron Hampton, 84 00:03:30,160 --> 00:03:33,320 Speaker 1: Ken Walker, and then our lone Tier three player who's 85 00:03:33,360 --> 00:03:35,560 Speaker 1: our dear friend, Dereck Henry, who comes in at twelve. 86 00:03:35,600 --> 00:03:39,720 Speaker 1: So that's your top twelve RBS for this season with 87 00:03:39,800 --> 00:03:42,640 Speaker 1: the biggest tier I've ever seen of Tier one for RB. 88 00:03:43,640 --> 00:03:45,520 Speaker 1: A lot of questions in here. But I think at 89 00:03:45,520 --> 00:03:47,600 Speaker 1: the tippy top, just like we did with wide receivers, 90 00:03:47,800 --> 00:03:51,600 Speaker 1: is we've got Bijon Robinson at one, Jamiir Gibbs at two, 91 00:03:52,400 --> 00:03:54,800 Speaker 1: and both of you are in agreement. So I think 92 00:03:54,920 --> 00:03:58,160 Speaker 1: a pseudo answer to this is there really isn't a discussion. 93 00:03:58,160 --> 00:04:01,800 Speaker 1: Maybe Bijon deserves his you know, top spot here. But Tara, 94 00:04:01,880 --> 00:04:04,280 Speaker 1: let's start with you for this one. What do you 95 00:04:04,360 --> 00:04:07,680 Speaker 1: think is Jamir Gibbs closer to Bijon Robinson than being 96 00:04:07,720 --> 00:04:10,240 Speaker 1: given credit for or does Bijon maybe belong to his 97 00:04:10,280 --> 00:04:13,520 Speaker 1: own little mini tier because he is the top dog. 98 00:04:14,320 --> 00:04:16,360 Speaker 3: I think Gibbs as close, you know. 99 00:04:16,400 --> 00:04:20,039 Speaker 2: I mean, there's always the possibility that Isaiah Pacheco becomes 100 00:04:20,120 --> 00:04:21,200 Speaker 2: David Montgomery. 101 00:04:21,240 --> 00:04:22,200 Speaker 3: But even then, so. 102 00:04:23,680 --> 00:04:26,000 Speaker 2: The change that we saw as the season went on, 103 00:04:26,200 --> 00:04:28,159 Speaker 2: where he had a little bit of a start of 104 00:04:28,200 --> 00:04:30,760 Speaker 2: a rasure of David Montgomery, I feel like that was 105 00:04:30,880 --> 00:04:33,599 Speaker 2: less about any kind of issues with Monty and more 106 00:04:33,600 --> 00:04:36,880 Speaker 2: about the fact that they just wanted to truly feature Gibbs. 107 00:04:37,360 --> 00:04:40,240 Speaker 2: And when we look at how their offense was last year, 108 00:04:40,320 --> 00:04:42,880 Speaker 2: the fact that they've clearly identified that the change at 109 00:04:42,920 --> 00:04:46,520 Speaker 2: offensive coordinator was needed, I think there could be announced 110 00:04:46,560 --> 00:04:49,400 Speaker 2: back coming and if he's the featured back, knowing the 111 00:04:49,480 --> 00:04:51,800 Speaker 2: level of upside that he has in terms of receptions 112 00:04:51,839 --> 00:04:54,359 Speaker 2: as well, you could argue that he can be put 113 00:04:54,440 --> 00:04:58,159 Speaker 2: into that same tier of a mini tier of greatness 114 00:04:58,200 --> 00:05:00,680 Speaker 2: with Bijon. My only problem in term of why they're 115 00:05:00,720 --> 00:05:05,760 Speaker 2: separated is that we finally might be getting that elusive 116 00:05:06,080 --> 00:05:10,640 Speaker 2: special every single game situation for Bijon because for everything 117 00:05:10,720 --> 00:05:13,760 Speaker 2: that I can't stand about Kevin Stefanski, the one thing 118 00:05:13,839 --> 00:05:16,200 Speaker 2: that he has never been is a bad coach for 119 00:05:16,279 --> 00:05:18,839 Speaker 2: running backs. And what we've had to deal with Bijon 120 00:05:19,600 --> 00:05:23,240 Speaker 2: over the years here is, especially last year, is the 121 00:05:23,520 --> 00:05:27,200 Speaker 2: integration of a guy like Tyler Aljier at the goal 122 00:05:27,279 --> 00:05:28,840 Speaker 2: line in the usage, and I feel like with the 123 00:05:28,960 --> 00:05:31,520 Speaker 2: change in coaching staff and obviously the exit of Tyler 124 00:05:31,560 --> 00:05:33,640 Speaker 2: Algear and we do have Brian Robinson in there who 125 00:05:33,640 --> 00:05:36,920 Speaker 2: could obviously fulfill that role, but this is the tide 126 00:05:36,960 --> 00:05:39,479 Speaker 2: for Bijon to be Bejon and get all of those receptions, 127 00:05:39,480 --> 00:05:41,400 Speaker 2: all of the usage on the ground, and all of 128 00:05:41,400 --> 00:05:44,119 Speaker 2: the goal line touches that he deserves. So we're looking 129 00:05:44,160 --> 00:05:46,279 Speaker 2: at a guy who has been a top five back 130 00:05:46,360 --> 00:05:49,160 Speaker 2: consistently despite the fact that he's been held back from 131 00:05:49,200 --> 00:05:52,640 Speaker 2: a touchdown perspective, So perhaps this is the season that 132 00:05:52,680 --> 00:05:55,039 Speaker 2: we finally get it unlocked. And I think that's the 133 00:05:55,080 --> 00:05:57,640 Speaker 2: difference maker of knowing that we've got a safe baseline 134 00:05:57,640 --> 00:06:00,480 Speaker 2: with Bijon that could really be upgraded to just a 135 00:06:01,000 --> 00:06:03,479 Speaker 2: insanely elite level that we have not yet been able 136 00:06:03,480 --> 00:06:06,160 Speaker 2: to tap into now with the addition of more touchdowns. 137 00:06:06,600 --> 00:06:08,680 Speaker 1: So FITZI really the question is simple, is there a 138 00:06:08,680 --> 00:06:10,640 Speaker 1: debate at the top end of running back? I know 139 00:06:10,680 --> 00:06:12,800 Speaker 1: who you have at number one? It is Bijon, But 140 00:06:13,000 --> 00:06:16,080 Speaker 1: is there a debate to be had or you know, 141 00:06:16,240 --> 00:06:18,000 Speaker 1: can we move on? You know, can we not have 142 00:06:18,040 --> 00:06:18,800 Speaker 1: that discussion? 143 00:06:19,240 --> 00:06:21,279 Speaker 4: No, I think there's a debate, and I'm not super 144 00:06:21,400 --> 00:06:24,640 Speaker 4: entrenched in this. If I'm presented with the decision the 145 00:06:24,760 --> 00:06:28,040 Speaker 4: choice between Bijeon and Gibbs three times, I'll probably take 146 00:06:28,080 --> 00:06:32,480 Speaker 4: Bijon twice and Gibbs once. Bijon hit almost twenty three 147 00:06:32,560 --> 00:06:35,360 Speaker 4: hundred yards from scrimmage last season, fell two yards short, 148 00:06:35,920 --> 00:06:39,400 Speaker 4: and was just hugely impactful as a pass catchers. Best 149 00:06:39,400 --> 00:06:42,240 Speaker 4: receiving season seventy nine catches, eight hundred and twenty yards, 150 00:06:42,320 --> 00:06:43,360 Speaker 4: four TD catches. 151 00:06:43,839 --> 00:06:45,360 Speaker 5: Tara brought it up with Stefanski. 152 00:06:45,640 --> 00:06:48,120 Speaker 4: He's going to feed his belcow back Nick Chubb at 153 00:06:48,160 --> 00:06:51,200 Speaker 4: a three hundred carry season when Stefanski was in Cleveland, 154 00:06:51,320 --> 00:06:54,960 Speaker 4: and last year quinchh On Judkins averaged sixteen point four 155 00:06:55,000 --> 00:06:57,960 Speaker 4: carries after missing training camp and just being thrown into 156 00:06:57,960 --> 00:07:00,440 Speaker 4: the fray right off the bat, like is going to 157 00:07:00,520 --> 00:07:04,760 Speaker 4: eat this year, So it's close for me. Gibbs is awesome. 158 00:07:04,800 --> 00:07:07,640 Speaker 4: He's been the more prolific touchdown score forty nine touchdowns 159 00:07:07,680 --> 00:07:10,480 Speaker 4: in forty nine career regular season games. He has been 160 00:07:10,520 --> 00:07:14,440 Speaker 4: a better touchdown score than Bijon, But Bijon had forty 161 00:07:14,440 --> 00:07:16,520 Speaker 4: four more carries than Gibbs last year. He was a 162 00:07:16,560 --> 00:07:19,200 Speaker 4: little more productive as a pass catcher. It's really close. 163 00:07:19,800 --> 00:07:21,560 Speaker 4: It's bjon by a nose for me. 164 00:07:21,960 --> 00:07:23,880 Speaker 1: All right. Well, if you guys are having those discussions 165 00:07:23,920 --> 00:07:25,920 Speaker 1: in there, it's a really good year for the top 166 00:07:26,000 --> 00:07:28,720 Speaker 1: end of running back, especially if you're making that decision. 167 00:07:29,240 --> 00:07:32,440 Speaker 1: But is there any fools gold Jonathan Taylor too high? 168 00:07:32,560 --> 00:07:34,560 Speaker 1: You guys have a little bit of a discrepancy in here. 169 00:07:34,800 --> 00:07:38,400 Speaker 1: He comes in at four. Maybe it's still the same tier. 170 00:07:38,960 --> 00:07:40,840 Speaker 1: But Terry, let's start with you. You've got him at four. 171 00:07:40,840 --> 00:07:44,680 Speaker 1: You're at consensus. Obviously, Jonathan Taylor did some absolutely disgusting 172 00:07:44,720 --> 00:07:48,160 Speaker 1: stuff last year. Do you anticipate a repeat. I would 173 00:07:48,160 --> 00:07:50,320 Speaker 1: guess so based on the rank. But you tell us 174 00:07:50,440 --> 00:07:53,280 Speaker 1: your thoughts on Jonathan Taylor drafting in the first round. 175 00:07:53,640 --> 00:07:57,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, I was avid Jonathan Taylor manager last season, and 176 00:07:57,240 --> 00:08:00,280 Speaker 2: you reaped the benefits and then you reaped all the 177 00:08:00,320 --> 00:08:02,040 Speaker 2: negatives that came with it in the second half. It 178 00:08:02,080 --> 00:08:05,480 Speaker 2: was a tale of two seasons, sadly, but you can 179 00:08:05,520 --> 00:08:07,800 Speaker 2: make the argument that we know exactly why it was 180 00:08:07,840 --> 00:08:10,280 Speaker 2: a tale of two seasons. One, the Daniel Jones injury 181 00:08:10,400 --> 00:08:13,200 Speaker 2: was a massive issue. What it did to the entire 182 00:08:13,280 --> 00:08:15,920 Speaker 2: team was very clear. It wasn't just an issue of 183 00:08:16,520 --> 00:08:19,880 Speaker 2: suddenly there was, you know, lack of opportunity or lack 184 00:08:19,880 --> 00:08:23,960 Speaker 2: of efficiency from Jonathan Taylor. Everybody suffered, unfortunately him and 185 00:08:24,000 --> 00:08:24,840 Speaker 2: the pass catchers. 186 00:08:24,840 --> 00:08:25,760 Speaker 3: So it's very clear. 187 00:08:26,160 --> 00:08:28,200 Speaker 2: But also I feel like we would look at the 188 00:08:28,240 --> 00:08:30,600 Speaker 2: season very differently if it wasn't for the fact that 189 00:08:30,640 --> 00:08:33,960 Speaker 2: their schedule was so insanely lopsided. So it felt a 190 00:08:34,000 --> 00:08:36,480 Speaker 2: lot worse than what it was. Because the overall season 191 00:08:36,559 --> 00:08:38,920 Speaker 2: as a whole was fantastic. When you look at the stats, 192 00:08:39,360 --> 00:08:41,440 Speaker 2: you feel great about it, but when you felt the 193 00:08:41,559 --> 00:08:45,040 Speaker 2: actual fantasy production in your lineup, it was very frustrating 194 00:08:45,080 --> 00:08:46,840 Speaker 2: because you got the to the end of the season 195 00:08:46,840 --> 00:08:48,719 Speaker 2: and you didn't have the Jonathan Taylor that you had 196 00:08:48,720 --> 00:08:52,360 Speaker 2: at the beginning of the season because unfortunately most of 197 00:08:52,440 --> 00:08:56,079 Speaker 2: the easier run defenses were scheduled in the first half 198 00:08:56,080 --> 00:08:58,959 Speaker 2: of the season and the tougher ones were unfortunately. 199 00:08:58,520 --> 00:08:59,600 Speaker 3: Stacked in the second half. 200 00:08:59,600 --> 00:09:01,640 Speaker 2: So you can that with the injury to Daniel Jones, 201 00:09:01,640 --> 00:09:04,640 Speaker 2: and it really just was a recipe for mediocrity for 202 00:09:04,720 --> 00:09:06,880 Speaker 2: a guy where the season would have felt a lot 203 00:09:06,880 --> 00:09:09,000 Speaker 2: different if the schedule was just a little bit more mixed. 204 00:09:09,080 --> 00:09:11,719 Speaker 3: I honestly think it was just a weird situation. 205 00:09:11,280 --> 00:09:13,240 Speaker 2: Where it felt like we were riding high and then 206 00:09:13,280 --> 00:09:17,560 Speaker 2: crashed and it was just an anomaly. And unless we 207 00:09:17,720 --> 00:09:21,040 Speaker 2: end up with the same lopsidedness this season as well, 208 00:09:21,400 --> 00:09:23,440 Speaker 2: we're going to get the same version of Jonathan Taylor 209 00:09:23,440 --> 00:09:25,880 Speaker 2: that we have seen over and over and over again, 210 00:09:25,920 --> 00:09:28,160 Speaker 2: and we will have the benefit of Daniel Jones, even 211 00:09:28,280 --> 00:09:29,360 Speaker 2: if the injury. 212 00:09:29,000 --> 00:09:30,120 Speaker 3: Holds him back a tiny beck. 213 00:09:30,240 --> 00:09:32,760 Speaker 2: At least just being on the field and stabilizing that 214 00:09:32,840 --> 00:09:34,720 Speaker 2: offense is going to be a benefit for us. So 215 00:09:35,400 --> 00:09:38,200 Speaker 2: I feel very good about him because you can make 216 00:09:38,280 --> 00:09:40,760 Speaker 2: arguments about the guys behind him as well. But I 217 00:09:40,840 --> 00:09:43,440 Speaker 2: know I'm getting a certain level of volume and touchdown 218 00:09:43,440 --> 00:09:45,120 Speaker 2: opportunities out of Jonathan Taylor. 219 00:09:46,000 --> 00:09:48,440 Speaker 1: Fitzy, do you feel good about him? Your rank isn't 220 00:09:48,440 --> 00:09:52,080 Speaker 1: crazy lower than consensus, but I'm curious where you're at 221 00:09:52,120 --> 00:09:54,040 Speaker 1: on this. He could be out of your tier one. 222 00:09:54,240 --> 00:09:56,600 Speaker 1: We have five players and the consensus that are top five. 223 00:09:56,800 --> 00:09:59,679 Speaker 1: You've got him at six two spots isn't ridiculous or 224 00:09:59,720 --> 00:10:01,360 Speaker 1: anything like that, but it means enough when you're talking 225 00:10:01,400 --> 00:10:03,800 Speaker 1: about the top ten out of position. Is he in 226 00:10:03,840 --> 00:10:05,880 Speaker 1: the tier one? And do you have any hesitation with 227 00:10:05,960 --> 00:10:08,480 Speaker 1: Jonathan Taylor drafting him in the first round this year? 228 00:10:09,040 --> 00:10:11,760 Speaker 4: He is Tier one, and yet I do have some hesitation, 229 00:10:11,960 --> 00:10:14,400 Speaker 4: and it pains me as a badger to fade the 230 00:10:14,480 --> 00:10:17,760 Speaker 4: University of Wisconsin guy. But it's what Tarah talked about 231 00:10:17,960 --> 00:10:20,840 Speaker 4: and just the falloff we saw late in the season. 232 00:10:20,920 --> 00:10:23,400 Speaker 4: I know part of it was related to the defenses, 233 00:10:23,480 --> 00:10:27,320 Speaker 4: but like the clear marker where he fell off was 234 00:10:27,360 --> 00:10:30,360 Speaker 4: the Daniel Jones injury. So playing with Daniel Jones for 235 00:10:30,400 --> 00:10:33,560 Speaker 4: the first twelve games of the season, Taylor averaged one 236 00:10:33,640 --> 00:10:35,800 Speaker 4: hundred and six point eight rushing yards per game and 237 00:10:35,960 --> 00:10:39,400 Speaker 4: five point seven yards per carry, and then Jones goes 238 00:10:39,440 --> 00:10:42,640 Speaker 4: down early in the colts thirteenth game. From that game 239 00:10:42,679 --> 00:10:45,400 Speaker 4: through the end of the season, Taylor averaged sixty point 240 00:10:45,440 --> 00:10:47,840 Speaker 4: six rushing yards per game in three point one yards 241 00:10:47,840 --> 00:10:50,880 Speaker 4: per carry, just a complete collapse in his production. And 242 00:10:50,920 --> 00:10:54,320 Speaker 4: I'm just I'm worried that Taylor's success is so closely 243 00:10:54,480 --> 00:10:57,080 Speaker 4: tied to the health of a quarterback who's now coming 244 00:10:57,160 --> 00:10:59,160 Speaker 4: back from a major injury. 245 00:10:59,480 --> 00:11:03,120 Speaker 1: Understand where you guys out on Jonathan Taylor, That one 246 00:11:03,280 --> 00:11:04,720 Speaker 1: is the one that kind of jumped out to me 247 00:11:04,760 --> 00:11:06,679 Speaker 1: as well when you look at like that top tier 248 00:11:06,840 --> 00:11:09,959 Speaker 1: a bunch of other fascinating names. But we're going to 249 00:11:10,040 --> 00:11:11,840 Speaker 1: do a player debate, a little bit of a debate 250 00:11:11,880 --> 00:11:13,760 Speaker 1: on here, because there was this question that was posed 251 00:11:13,840 --> 00:11:16,400 Speaker 1: on our sheet off air sheet what we were doing, 252 00:11:16,600 --> 00:11:20,760 Speaker 1: where FITZI was throwing out Chase Brown, is there maybe 253 00:11:20,800 --> 00:11:24,120 Speaker 1: a Chase Brown is being valued a little bit too hot? 254 00:11:24,200 --> 00:11:26,960 Speaker 1: He comes in at number eight, And I think the 255 00:11:27,040 --> 00:11:28,720 Speaker 1: kind of pseudo answer to that is a little bit 256 00:11:28,720 --> 00:11:30,880 Speaker 1: of a yes, based on both of where you guys are, 257 00:11:31,280 --> 00:11:36,840 Speaker 1: but comparing him against another player that is a first rounder, 258 00:11:37,040 --> 00:11:40,080 Speaker 1: there's a lot of potential upside, especially with what we 259 00:11:40,120 --> 00:11:41,840 Speaker 1: know this offense can be, even though it went kind 260 00:11:41,840 --> 00:11:44,800 Speaker 1: of pass heavy early on in Omaron Hampton. So we're 261 00:11:44,840 --> 00:11:47,360 Speaker 1: going to do Omaron Hampton versus Chase Brown. This is 262 00:11:47,400 --> 00:11:51,080 Speaker 1: the eight versus ten on the consensus ranks and Tara, 263 00:11:51,760 --> 00:11:54,520 Speaker 1: you have got these players next to each other, but 264 00:11:54,600 --> 00:11:56,960 Speaker 1: it aligns a little bit more closer to what the 265 00:11:56,960 --> 00:11:59,520 Speaker 1: consensus ranks has, where it is Chase Brown over a 266 00:11:59,520 --> 00:12:01,880 Speaker 1: Marion Hampton and so you've got Brown at eleven and 267 00:12:02,000 --> 00:12:04,559 Speaker 1: Hampton at twelve. So obviously Brown is over. But how 268 00:12:04,600 --> 00:12:06,640 Speaker 1: close is this one to you? And what case are 269 00:12:06,640 --> 00:12:07,760 Speaker 1: you making on Chase Brown. 270 00:12:08,480 --> 00:12:10,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, I'll defend Chase Brown a little bit on that one. 271 00:12:11,240 --> 00:12:16,199 Speaker 2: I do think that his consensus ranking is warranted in general. 272 00:12:16,240 --> 00:12:18,760 Speaker 3: My only issue is that I know that he. 273 00:12:18,720 --> 00:12:20,560 Speaker 2: Can perform at that level, but I also know that 274 00:12:20,600 --> 00:12:23,280 Speaker 2: he has no top five potentials, So that's why I've 275 00:12:23,280 --> 00:12:25,360 Speaker 2: got him a little bit further back. But in terms 276 00:12:25,360 --> 00:12:28,400 Speaker 2: of him versus Murray and Hampton, I mean, Chase Brown 277 00:12:28,440 --> 00:12:33,520 Speaker 2: is an extremely safe pick. We got the fear that 278 00:12:33,559 --> 00:12:35,680 Speaker 2: there was going to be some kind of investment, especially 279 00:12:35,720 --> 00:12:37,319 Speaker 2: with Chase Brown into a contract year, so that was 280 00:12:37,400 --> 00:12:40,640 Speaker 2: kind of interesting that we didn't have any investment and 281 00:12:40,720 --> 00:12:42,439 Speaker 2: to running back, we're going to be running it back 282 00:12:42,480 --> 00:12:44,800 Speaker 2: with the same room that we know. Chase Brown is 283 00:12:44,800 --> 00:12:47,800 Speaker 2: the clear RB one. His competition is Samaje p Right. 284 00:12:47,920 --> 00:12:53,120 Speaker 2: He offers us this incredibly safe floor with the checkdowns 285 00:12:53,160 --> 00:12:56,280 Speaker 2: and yardage that he gets from receptions, and on top 286 00:12:56,360 --> 00:12:59,319 Speaker 2: of that the running back that he was As long 287 00:12:59,400 --> 00:13:02,480 Speaker 2: as there was a competent quarterback was fine. The only 288 00:13:02,559 --> 00:13:04,760 Speaker 2: issue that we had in the overall season was the 289 00:13:04,760 --> 00:13:08,040 Speaker 2: portion that we had Jake browning. After that, everything was good. 290 00:13:08,320 --> 00:13:10,480 Speaker 2: The thing about Chase Brown is that, and what keeps 291 00:13:10,520 --> 00:13:12,160 Speaker 2: him kind of out of that top five potential is 292 00:13:12,160 --> 00:13:14,920 Speaker 2: that you're never going to have the amount of touchdowns 293 00:13:14,960 --> 00:13:17,560 Speaker 2: on the ground that you need by nature because of 294 00:13:17,679 --> 00:13:20,480 Speaker 2: Joe Burrow, Jamar Chase and t Higgins. There's just going 295 00:13:20,520 --> 00:13:22,840 Speaker 2: to be so many through the air to those guys. 296 00:13:23,080 --> 00:13:25,040 Speaker 2: But you're going to be very safe in terms of 297 00:13:25,120 --> 00:13:27,200 Speaker 2: knowing what you can get on a week to week basis. 298 00:13:27,240 --> 00:13:30,120 Speaker 2: He's never going to be a bust for you. The 299 00:13:30,400 --> 00:13:33,160 Speaker 2: volume is there, it's a very It's a nice option 300 00:13:33,240 --> 00:13:35,000 Speaker 2: that you can have and say, hey, I just want 301 00:13:35,000 --> 00:13:37,800 Speaker 2: to get wide receiver early, then grab my RB one 302 00:13:37,800 --> 00:13:39,160 Speaker 2: that I know is going to come through on a 303 00:13:39,200 --> 00:13:41,800 Speaker 2: weekly basis, and Chase Brown is that guy. So I 304 00:13:41,800 --> 00:13:44,240 Speaker 2: think there's that level of safety that he has over 305 00:13:44,280 --> 00:13:47,199 Speaker 2: Amari and Hampton in a newer coaching situation with a 306 00:13:47,280 --> 00:13:49,600 Speaker 2: change in offensive coordinator, which could be a fair positive 307 00:13:49,600 --> 00:13:52,720 Speaker 2: for what it's worth, but also the addition of Keaton Mitchell, 308 00:13:52,760 --> 00:13:55,560 Speaker 2: who we all love, but obviously he's a smaller, speedy 309 00:13:55,600 --> 00:13:57,920 Speaker 2: back that could be exactly what Mike McDaniel loves. 310 00:13:57,920 --> 00:14:01,720 Speaker 3: And then of course we did have concerning usage. 311 00:14:01,360 --> 00:14:03,920 Speaker 2: From Kamaiviow when a Marion and Hampton did come back 312 00:14:03,920 --> 00:14:06,480 Speaker 2: at the end of last season. So if all things 313 00:14:06,480 --> 00:14:09,040 Speaker 2: were equal and he is one hundred percent three down back, 314 00:14:09,120 --> 00:14:11,559 Speaker 2: no issues, just small change of pace, we're going to 315 00:14:11,600 --> 00:14:13,600 Speaker 2: get a great season from a Marion Hampton that'll pay 316 00:14:13,640 --> 00:14:16,520 Speaker 2: off for his current ranking and ECR. But there is 317 00:14:16,559 --> 00:14:19,120 Speaker 2: the risk that his job is not to the safety 318 00:14:19,200 --> 00:14:21,000 Speaker 2: volume level that Chase Brown has. 319 00:14:21,160 --> 00:14:23,400 Speaker 1: I think it's interesting too that you said, I mean, 320 00:14:23,560 --> 00:14:25,560 Speaker 1: you were towing around like the idea that he's just 321 00:14:25,600 --> 00:14:27,720 Speaker 1: a floor player. Chase Brown is a not just a Ford, 322 00:14:27,720 --> 00:14:29,760 Speaker 1: but Chase Brown is a great floor player. You know 323 00:14:29,800 --> 00:14:32,120 Speaker 1: what you're getting. Maybe the upside isn't there, but you 324 00:14:32,160 --> 00:14:35,720 Speaker 1: know what you're going to avoid. And FITZI, is that 325 00:14:36,040 --> 00:14:38,400 Speaker 1: the argument, but on the opposite end that you want 326 00:14:38,400 --> 00:14:41,200 Speaker 1: to play the ceiling player of Amrion Hampton because you've 327 00:14:41,240 --> 00:14:44,160 Speaker 1: got Chase Brown quite a bit lower at twelve than 328 00:14:44,200 --> 00:14:46,440 Speaker 1: what the constituous rank is, but you've also got Hampton 329 00:14:46,480 --> 00:14:48,400 Speaker 1: quite a bit higher. You've got him at seven. So 330 00:14:48,440 --> 00:14:50,200 Speaker 1: that reads a little bit more like, is this a 331 00:14:50,280 --> 00:14:52,160 Speaker 1: player that you want to plan to flag on that 332 00:14:52,240 --> 00:14:54,520 Speaker 1: the ceiling is really high and unlike Chase Brown where 333 00:14:54,560 --> 00:14:58,040 Speaker 1: he maybe doesn't have a top five potential upside that 334 00:14:58,080 --> 00:14:58,800 Speaker 1: Hampton does. 335 00:14:58,920 --> 00:15:00,560 Speaker 5: FITZI, exactly it. 336 00:15:00,800 --> 00:15:02,880 Speaker 4: I think Tara and I totally see eyed eye on 337 00:15:03,000 --> 00:15:06,400 Speaker 4: Chase Brown just like sort of back end running back, 338 00:15:06,440 --> 00:15:09,080 Speaker 4: one solid usage outlook and a team with a really 339 00:15:09,880 --> 00:15:15,200 Speaker 4: excellent offense. I'm just intrigued by the potential Hampton has 340 00:15:15,320 --> 00:15:19,600 Speaker 4: in an offense coordinated by Mike McDaniel, who turned Devon 341 00:15:19,880 --> 00:15:23,000 Speaker 4: hen into an absolute monster in Miami, even though there 342 00:15:23,000 --> 00:15:25,600 Speaker 4: were other running backs factoring in so that makes me 343 00:15:25,640 --> 00:15:30,000 Speaker 4: worry a little bit less about Keith Mitchell or Kamani Videll. 344 00:15:30,720 --> 00:15:33,680 Speaker 4: And you know, on a team coach by Jim Harbaugh 345 00:15:33,760 --> 00:15:34,720 Speaker 4: who clearly. 346 00:15:34,440 --> 00:15:35,840 Speaker 5: Values a strong running game. 347 00:15:36,240 --> 00:15:38,400 Speaker 4: I mean at Michigan, they did a pretty good job 348 00:15:38,400 --> 00:15:40,720 Speaker 4: of hiding JJ McCarthy for a couple of years and 349 00:15:40,760 --> 00:15:43,200 Speaker 4: still having a lot of success. I just I think 350 00:15:43,200 --> 00:15:45,800 Speaker 4: the Chargers have a better offensive line than the Bengals, 351 00:15:46,320 --> 00:15:48,760 Speaker 4: especially now that they're getting both of their tackles back. 352 00:15:49,640 --> 00:15:52,800 Speaker 4: The broken ankle early last season kind of kept us 353 00:15:52,840 --> 00:15:55,720 Speaker 4: from getting the full on Omarion Hampton experience in year one. 354 00:15:56,040 --> 00:15:58,200 Speaker 4: I think we might get it near too. And like 355 00:15:58,760 --> 00:16:00,600 Speaker 4: this is the guy they dropped a firm strong pick 356 00:16:00,640 --> 00:16:03,280 Speaker 4: on last year. I think they're going to ride this 357 00:16:03,280 --> 00:16:05,320 Speaker 4: guy pretty hard in twenty twenty six. 358 00:16:05,800 --> 00:16:08,920 Speaker 1: Upside versus floor. The great debate always in how you're 359 00:16:08,960 --> 00:16:11,240 Speaker 1: gonna build your fantasy team. 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We've got 378 00:17:05,320 --> 00:17:09,000 Speaker 1: Josh Jacobs at fourteen, followed by Javonte Williams, Kirn Williams, 379 00:17:09,080 --> 00:17:13,200 Speaker 1: Travis Etn, Brice Hall, Bucky Irving, A, Tier four of Cams, Kataboo, 380 00:17:13,280 --> 00:17:17,919 Speaker 1: Travion Henderson, David Montgomery, DeAndre Swift, and quin Shawn Judkins. Well, 381 00:17:17,960 --> 00:17:21,320 Speaker 1: we got to talk about Jeremiah Love and this MESSI Cardinals. 382 00:17:21,320 --> 00:17:22,959 Speaker 1: I mean, it's not gonna be that messy. It's just 383 00:17:23,240 --> 00:17:25,399 Speaker 1: you know, you just have all these options and then 384 00:17:25,440 --> 00:17:27,760 Speaker 1: you throw in a top pick in Jeremiah Love, and 385 00:17:27,800 --> 00:17:30,680 Speaker 1: that is obviously why Jeremiah Love comes in at thirteen. 386 00:17:30,760 --> 00:17:34,400 Speaker 1: It's a not a high valuation for what you would 387 00:17:34,440 --> 00:17:36,520 Speaker 1: expect out of him. I think this is pretty common 388 00:17:36,560 --> 00:17:38,879 Speaker 1: for like the top fantasy rookie running back, but the 389 00:17:38,920 --> 00:17:43,840 Speaker 1: situation just really screams weirdness here. And you guys, though 390 00:17:43,880 --> 00:17:46,400 Speaker 1: the ranks aren't super far, there's a differentiation between one 391 00:17:46,440 --> 00:17:49,040 Speaker 1: of you seeing him as an RB one and one 392 00:17:49,119 --> 00:17:51,159 Speaker 1: seeing him as an RB two, and Terry, you are 393 00:17:51,200 --> 00:17:53,520 Speaker 1: the RB two here. You've got him at fourteen versus 394 00:17:53,680 --> 00:17:57,199 Speaker 1: his consensus thirteen. Are you worried at all about the 395 00:17:57,359 --> 00:18:01,240 Speaker 1: usage with bringing in Algier? Do you think none of 396 00:18:01,280 --> 00:18:02,639 Speaker 1: this is going to matter and this is going to 397 00:18:02,680 --> 00:18:05,560 Speaker 1: be Jeremiah Love City. What's your take on Jeremiah Love 398 00:18:05,560 --> 00:18:07,120 Speaker 1: and him ranking thirteen? 399 00:18:07,520 --> 00:18:10,640 Speaker 3: No? Negative. I wish I could be higher on him. 400 00:18:10,720 --> 00:18:13,520 Speaker 2: It's just that I can't justify putting him ahead of 401 00:18:13,600 --> 00:18:16,320 Speaker 2: some of those other veterans, so I know exactly what 402 00:18:16,359 --> 00:18:19,440 Speaker 2: I'm getting out of them, but I actually am I'm 403 00:18:19,560 --> 00:18:23,640 Speaker 2: pro Jeremiah Love in Arizona oddly enough, So maybe I'll 404 00:18:23,680 --> 00:18:25,720 Speaker 2: creep up at some point because when I look at 405 00:18:25,760 --> 00:18:30,439 Speaker 2: the Cardinals run game last year, obviously it was a 406 00:18:30,480 --> 00:18:32,560 Speaker 2: mess in terms of the guys that they were rolling 407 00:18:32,560 --> 00:18:35,040 Speaker 2: out on a weekly basis, very sad, very sad, and 408 00:18:35,080 --> 00:18:38,000 Speaker 2: the offensive line was not spectacular. But for what it's worth, 409 00:18:38,040 --> 00:18:41,920 Speaker 2: they were better at run blocking. The Cardinals' backs is 410 00:18:42,080 --> 00:18:45,440 Speaker 2: messy and practice squatty as they were, they were right 411 00:18:45,480 --> 00:18:48,080 Speaker 2: on league average in terms of yards per carry. They 412 00:18:48,080 --> 00:18:52,000 Speaker 2: were not successful in terms of touchdowns because we had 413 00:18:52,040 --> 00:18:54,480 Speaker 2: a hyper usage because of their lack of success and 414 00:18:54,600 --> 00:18:55,400 Speaker 2: probably lack. 415 00:18:55,240 --> 00:18:56,160 Speaker 3: Of trust as well. 416 00:18:56,480 --> 00:19:00,320 Speaker 2: Hyper usage of Jacoby Brissett throwing inside the twenty clip 417 00:19:00,359 --> 00:19:02,480 Speaker 2: that if he played a full season, would have been 418 00:19:02,480 --> 00:19:04,000 Speaker 2: the highest in the league by far. 419 00:19:04,400 --> 00:19:05,359 Speaker 3: Which was unusual. 420 00:19:05,359 --> 00:19:07,160 Speaker 2: And I think that's going to come down with Jeremiah 421 00:19:07,160 --> 00:19:08,959 Speaker 2: Love because they'll get into the red zone and have 422 00:19:09,280 --> 00:19:11,000 Speaker 2: a running back that they actually trust. 423 00:19:11,040 --> 00:19:14,000 Speaker 3: So I actually do feel positive about him. I don't 424 00:19:14,040 --> 00:19:15,080 Speaker 3: hate the landing spot. 425 00:19:15,119 --> 00:19:18,359 Speaker 2: I just I don't know if I can rnk Derrick 426 00:19:18,400 --> 00:19:20,280 Speaker 2: Henry or something like me. You know, there's a lot 427 00:19:20,320 --> 00:19:22,200 Speaker 2: of guys that I think that I would just prefer 428 00:19:22,320 --> 00:19:24,280 Speaker 2: to draft from a safety perspective, over. 429 00:19:24,200 --> 00:19:27,400 Speaker 1: Him, Pat You've got him at top ten, You've got 430 00:19:27,440 --> 00:19:31,480 Speaker 1: him above Chase Brown, who were talking about before. Is 431 00:19:31,760 --> 00:19:36,119 Speaker 1: ten the tippy top that you think we can be 432 00:19:36,200 --> 00:19:39,159 Speaker 1: drafting Jeremiah Love and he has got to have a 433 00:19:39,200 --> 00:19:41,399 Speaker 1: pretty big season for return or do you think there 434 00:19:41,480 --> 00:19:44,679 Speaker 1: is still some valued upside this guy really can be 435 00:19:44,720 --> 00:19:48,200 Speaker 1: a top five regardless, Like, is this the tippy top 436 00:19:48,240 --> 00:19:50,720 Speaker 1: of where he should and can be drafted or do 437 00:19:50,760 --> 00:19:52,239 Speaker 1: you think he's going to creep up a little bit more? 438 00:19:52,280 --> 00:19:54,760 Speaker 1: And then obviously your season take on Jeremiah Love. 439 00:19:55,160 --> 00:19:57,119 Speaker 4: I think it's the tippy top for me unless we 440 00:19:57,160 --> 00:19:59,639 Speaker 4: get to training camp and we're getting reports that, like, 441 00:19:59,680 --> 00:20:01,400 Speaker 4: no one can lay a finger on this guy. 442 00:20:01,920 --> 00:20:03,560 Speaker 5: He's a unicorn. 443 00:20:03,960 --> 00:20:07,240 Speaker 4: And maybe this is kind of an ambitious aspirational ranking 444 00:20:07,760 --> 00:20:10,719 Speaker 4: for Love, but I'm maybe baking in a little bit 445 00:20:10,760 --> 00:20:13,960 Speaker 4: of that unicorn possibility. Like if I draft Jeremiah Love 446 00:20:14,040 --> 00:20:16,840 Speaker 4: RB ten and he finishes RB fifteen, I can live 447 00:20:16,880 --> 00:20:19,720 Speaker 4: with that. But you know, if I draft him RB 448 00:20:19,800 --> 00:20:23,880 Speaker 4: ten and he finishes RB two, that's a huge win 449 00:20:24,000 --> 00:20:27,840 Speaker 4: for me. And they have to give him ample usage. 450 00:20:27,920 --> 00:20:30,640 Speaker 4: They took him third overall, like they have to justify 451 00:20:30,680 --> 00:20:33,240 Speaker 4: that usage, especially when they passed on guys like Rvel 452 00:20:33,320 --> 00:20:36,359 Speaker 4: Reese and Sonny Styles who could like fix the defense 453 00:20:37,680 --> 00:20:40,480 Speaker 4: and just the history of running backs getting drafted top 454 00:20:40,520 --> 00:20:46,879 Speaker 4: twelve since twenty sixteen, you know, Bijon Gibbs, Barkley, Christian McCaffrey, 455 00:20:46,920 --> 00:20:50,159 Speaker 4: Ezekiel Elliott. Gent last year didn't really pan out, but 456 00:20:50,240 --> 00:20:54,120 Speaker 4: that was you know, maybe circumstances beyond Gent's control. Leonard Fournett, 457 00:20:54,920 --> 00:20:57,320 Speaker 4: you know, like if that's the biggest miss from that group, 458 00:20:58,040 --> 00:21:00,800 Speaker 4: still pretty spectacular group. Like I I think he's a 459 00:21:00,800 --> 00:21:02,120 Speaker 4: pretty good bet at RB ten. 460 00:21:03,080 --> 00:21:04,240 Speaker 5: It's a risk worth taking. 461 00:21:04,600 --> 00:21:06,760 Speaker 1: Actually, really it's not a debate here, but this is 462 00:21:06,800 --> 00:21:08,960 Speaker 1: the next player we're talking about, a really interesting player 463 00:21:09,000 --> 00:21:11,400 Speaker 1: you can compare against. Is the guy that trip below him? 464 00:21:11,720 --> 00:21:15,280 Speaker 1: And another state of is this guy being ranked too low? 465 00:21:15,520 --> 00:21:18,960 Speaker 1: And Josh Jacobs. Just Jacobs has a ECR of fourteen. 466 00:21:19,040 --> 00:21:23,439 Speaker 1: That's his consensus RB spot here, you both are higher 467 00:21:23,520 --> 00:21:27,040 Speaker 1: on Josh Jacobs. Josh Jacobs from week one through ten 468 00:21:27,160 --> 00:21:30,080 Speaker 1: last year was RB five, So for the first ten 469 00:21:30,119 --> 00:21:34,320 Speaker 1: weeks he was a top five RB. This, I mean, 470 00:21:34,359 --> 00:21:37,040 Speaker 1: your rank does state that this is like, you know 471 00:21:37,080 --> 00:21:39,800 Speaker 1: a little bit too low. But Terry, you've got Josh 472 00:21:39,880 --> 00:21:42,720 Speaker 1: Jacobs at nine, so you're taking Josh Jacobs over Jeremiah Love. 473 00:21:42,760 --> 00:21:44,600 Speaker 1: And you kind of alluded to saying like there are 474 00:21:44,600 --> 00:21:47,160 Speaker 1: some veterans you'd have a hard time making that push against, 475 00:21:47,280 --> 00:21:49,000 Speaker 1: and Josh Jacobs seems to be one of those. 476 00:21:49,200 --> 00:21:50,560 Speaker 3: He is he is one of those guys. 477 00:21:50,960 --> 00:21:53,159 Speaker 2: I know this is not homrism on the pat on 478 00:21:53,200 --> 00:21:55,080 Speaker 2: the point of me and Pat there, but. 479 00:21:55,040 --> 00:21:57,440 Speaker 3: Uh, I just I feel. 480 00:21:57,240 --> 00:22:01,520 Speaker 2: Like there is a bias going based on the stats 481 00:22:01,600 --> 00:22:04,600 Speaker 2: overall that he had last season that are making it 482 00:22:04,680 --> 00:22:08,200 Speaker 2: look like his overall usage was down. And the problem 483 00:22:08,359 --> 00:22:11,960 Speaker 2: is is that you have to contextualize it because he 484 00:22:12,040 --> 00:22:14,320 Speaker 2: played in games that he should not have. The Packers 485 00:22:14,320 --> 00:22:16,880 Speaker 2: were making a playoff push, and so he got injured 486 00:22:17,240 --> 00:22:19,520 Speaker 2: and tried to push through it, and there were games 487 00:22:19,560 --> 00:22:22,200 Speaker 2: where trying to push through it meant that he had 488 00:22:22,200 --> 00:22:24,439 Speaker 2: about like four carries. Like it was just not a 489 00:22:24,440 --> 00:22:28,280 Speaker 2: good situation when you're accounting for his overall stats in 490 00:22:28,720 --> 00:22:31,240 Speaker 2: ignoring the fact that there are multiple games in there, 491 00:22:31,280 --> 00:22:34,120 Speaker 2: quite a few games and there where he played significantly 492 00:22:34,200 --> 00:22:36,919 Speaker 2: low snaps, so naturally it looks bad when he was 493 00:22:36,960 --> 00:22:40,200 Speaker 2: healthy before the injury. The touchdowns were flowing. That's his specialty. 494 00:22:40,240 --> 00:22:42,840 Speaker 2: You know, every single game they're getting one from Josh Jacobs. 495 00:22:43,280 --> 00:22:45,080 Speaker 2: He was the lead back and he will be the 496 00:22:45,160 --> 00:22:47,000 Speaker 2: lead back moving forward. I know there was a lot 497 00:22:47,040 --> 00:22:50,080 Speaker 2: of concern based off of last year that we would 498 00:22:50,119 --> 00:22:52,600 Speaker 2: see maybe an investment in running back on Day two 499 00:22:52,680 --> 00:22:55,800 Speaker 2: or something because the backup running backs they lost to 500 00:22:55,880 --> 00:22:59,040 Speaker 2: Manuel Wolfson. Maybe there's a lack of trust there, particularly 501 00:22:59,119 --> 00:23:01,359 Speaker 2: with the fact that we have haven't seen Marshaun Lloyd 502 00:23:01,359 --> 00:23:03,840 Speaker 2: make it through a season healthy. But at the end 503 00:23:03,880 --> 00:23:06,159 Speaker 2: of the day, these are backup running backs. We know 504 00:23:06,320 --> 00:23:08,760 Speaker 2: for a fact that Josh Jacobs is the RB one. 505 00:23:08,880 --> 00:23:13,240 Speaker 2: He is going to have a significant usage on the ground, 506 00:23:13,280 --> 00:23:16,800 Speaker 2: touchdown opportunities and a bounce back opportunity him for him 507 00:23:16,840 --> 00:23:19,760 Speaker 2: because of the lower usage overall, he's going to come 508 00:23:19,760 --> 00:23:21,679 Speaker 2: in fresher and healthy this season. 509 00:23:22,920 --> 00:23:26,840 Speaker 1: FITZI, You've got Jacob's one spot below what we just 510 00:23:26,880 --> 00:23:30,240 Speaker 1: talked about with Jeremiah Love. So I'm definitely curious that 511 00:23:30,400 --> 00:23:34,080 Speaker 1: like the balance between those two players, and you know, 512 00:23:34,160 --> 00:23:35,960 Speaker 1: is it more of a rock safety net to take 513 00:23:35,960 --> 00:23:38,280 Speaker 1: a Josh Jacobs you play an upside on the Jeremiah 514 00:23:38,359 --> 00:23:41,120 Speaker 1: Love because you know, you asked the question, is Josh 515 00:23:41,200 --> 00:23:42,720 Speaker 1: Jacobs too low? So what do you think is he 516 00:23:42,800 --> 00:23:43,200 Speaker 1: too low? 517 00:23:43,760 --> 00:23:44,960 Speaker 5: Two different profiles? 518 00:23:45,080 --> 00:23:47,120 Speaker 4: Yeah, I think Love is more a little more swing 519 00:23:47,160 --> 00:23:49,560 Speaker 4: for the fences, and Jacob's just kind of the safe floor. 520 00:23:50,040 --> 00:23:53,480 Speaker 4: And I love that Terror kind of mentioned, you know 521 00:23:53,560 --> 00:23:55,200 Speaker 4: how Jacobs is such a warrior. 522 00:23:55,240 --> 00:23:55,880 Speaker 5: He did try to. 523 00:23:55,800 --> 00:23:58,359 Speaker 4: Play hurt last year and they kind of loos and 524 00:23:58,480 --> 00:24:00,719 Speaker 4: lightened his load a bit in the those games. And 525 00:24:00,800 --> 00:24:03,159 Speaker 4: yet even with the reduced usage in a few of 526 00:24:03,160 --> 00:24:05,840 Speaker 4: those games, in two years with the Packers, he's averaged 527 00:24:05,880 --> 00:24:08,760 Speaker 4: sixteen point seven carries a game and he has scored 528 00:24:08,800 --> 00:24:12,120 Speaker 4: thirty touchdowns in thirty two regular season games for the Packers. 529 00:24:12,520 --> 00:24:15,600 Speaker 4: Like Matt Lafleur does not mess around, he's giving Jacobs 530 00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:18,320 Speaker 4: the ball and when the Packers get close to the 531 00:24:18,320 --> 00:24:21,439 Speaker 4: goal line, like they're handing it to Josh Jacobs, who 532 00:24:21,560 --> 00:24:24,400 Speaker 4: is still one of the best inside runners in the league. 533 00:24:24,440 --> 00:24:28,040 Speaker 4: And while he's not like a prolific pass catcher, he 534 00:24:28,119 --> 00:24:31,280 Speaker 4: said at least thirty three receptions in six straight seasons, Like, 535 00:24:31,320 --> 00:24:33,439 Speaker 4: he's not a zero in the passing game either. So 536 00:24:34,040 --> 00:24:36,160 Speaker 4: I just think the floor is so safe with him, 537 00:24:36,160 --> 00:24:38,840 Speaker 4: and like You're gonna get touchdowns out of this guy 538 00:24:38,880 --> 00:24:39,560 Speaker 4: if he's healthy. 539 00:24:40,280 --> 00:24:43,240 Speaker 1: Another really fascinating running back comes in at nineteen and 540 00:24:43,320 --> 00:24:46,760 Speaker 1: Bucky Irving Rashad White leaves, and you're like, okay, here 541 00:24:46,880 --> 00:24:49,480 Speaker 1: we could go. Nope, bringing Kenny gain Well to be 542 00:24:49,520 --> 00:24:52,320 Speaker 1: as annoying as Rashad White to be a nice force 543 00:24:52,400 --> 00:24:55,439 Speaker 1: and catching the ball. But we know who Bucky Irving 544 00:24:55,520 --> 00:24:57,639 Speaker 1: can be and he missed time takes that away a 545 00:24:57,680 --> 00:24:59,760 Speaker 1: little bit. But is Bucky Irving of value coming in? 546 00:25:00,359 --> 00:25:03,040 Speaker 1: You guys are a little bit torn on this, maybe 547 00:25:03,040 --> 00:25:05,080 Speaker 1: more in the state that Terry. You seem to just 548 00:25:05,119 --> 00:25:07,800 Speaker 1: be at cost on Bucky Irving. So is Gainwell going 549 00:25:07,840 --> 00:25:10,520 Speaker 1: to be as annoying for Rashad White? Is there a 550 00:25:10,720 --> 00:25:13,080 Speaker 1: upside taken away from Bucky Irving? What's your take on 551 00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:15,480 Speaker 1: drafting him this year inside the top twenty. 552 00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:18,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, I feel and mon consensus. I wish I could 553 00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:19,920 Speaker 3: drop it a little bit lower. 554 00:25:20,240 --> 00:25:22,879 Speaker 2: Unfortunately, you get into that range where you've got guys 555 00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:25,919 Speaker 2: kind of in unknown situations or committees are coming off 556 00:25:25,960 --> 00:25:26,480 Speaker 2: of injuries. 557 00:25:26,520 --> 00:25:27,800 Speaker 3: So he's getting that default. 558 00:25:27,920 --> 00:25:29,399 Speaker 2: Yeah, we got to rank them above the guys that 559 00:25:29,440 --> 00:25:32,679 Speaker 2: are coming off of injury seasons, right, But my problem 560 00:25:32,680 --> 00:25:36,439 Speaker 2: with Bucky Irving is that, yeah, Kenneth Gainwell is an 561 00:25:36,520 --> 00:25:39,199 Speaker 2: upgraded version of Rashad White. He's just better across the 562 00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:42,520 Speaker 2: board in general than Rashad White. We still have the 563 00:25:42,520 --> 00:25:46,560 Speaker 2: Bucks retained Sean Tucker, who had seven touchdowns last season. Now, 564 00:25:46,600 --> 00:25:48,640 Speaker 2: some of that was when he was out, was when 565 00:25:48,680 --> 00:25:51,560 Speaker 2: Bucky was out, so it's a little bit exaggerated. But 566 00:25:51,600 --> 00:25:55,120 Speaker 2: even when Bucky returned, we still saw Sean Tucker sniping 567 00:25:55,160 --> 00:25:57,880 Speaker 2: Bucky at the goal line. And then my biggest problem 568 00:25:58,240 --> 00:26:00,200 Speaker 2: that we have in the situation is that we know 569 00:26:00,280 --> 00:26:02,400 Speaker 2: Bucky is objectively better than those running backs. 570 00:26:02,440 --> 00:26:04,840 Speaker 3: Right, But what I talked about. 571 00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:07,840 Speaker 2: When we were talking about Bijon and the sniping that 572 00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:10,000 Speaker 2: we had of Tyler Algier at the goal line, his 573 00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:12,720 Speaker 2: offensive coordinator was Zach Robinson, who just so happens to 574 00:26:12,760 --> 00:26:14,600 Speaker 2: now be the offensive coordinator in Tampa Bay. 575 00:26:14,680 --> 00:26:17,040 Speaker 3: That's a major issue for me. So if you were 576 00:26:17,080 --> 00:26:17,720 Speaker 3: doing that with. 577 00:26:17,640 --> 00:26:20,400 Speaker 2: Bijon Robinson, what whatever make me think that you were 578 00:26:20,440 --> 00:26:23,399 Speaker 2: going to be giving an aggressive workload to Bucky Irving, 579 00:26:23,480 --> 00:26:27,080 Speaker 2: who is objectively not Bijon Robinson. So that's my only 580 00:26:27,119 --> 00:26:29,480 Speaker 2: fear there is that we've got the change in coordinator. 581 00:26:29,520 --> 00:26:32,320 Speaker 2: I do feel positively about the offense turning back to 582 00:26:33,040 --> 00:26:35,600 Speaker 2: a better direction than the subpar offense that we saw, 583 00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:37,879 Speaker 2: particularly in the back half of last season for the Bucks. 584 00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:40,439 Speaker 2: But overall, I've got concerns that we're going to be 585 00:26:40,440 --> 00:26:43,400 Speaker 2: seeing the same thing where we've got this integrating usage 586 00:26:43,400 --> 00:26:45,320 Speaker 2: of these other running backs and if we get any 587 00:26:45,359 --> 00:26:47,720 Speaker 2: sniping at the goal line, that's just going to be frustrating. 588 00:26:47,760 --> 00:26:50,080 Speaker 2: It will make him a safe low end RB two, 589 00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:53,160 Speaker 2: but unfortunately cap the RB one upside for him. 590 00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:55,640 Speaker 1: FITZI, your rank kind of states maybe like a little 591 00:26:55,680 --> 00:26:58,280 Speaker 1: bit less worry, but I think it's fair with Tara 592 00:26:58,400 --> 00:27:00,720 Speaker 1: said that you're throwing out game else a better back 593 00:27:00,760 --> 00:27:03,800 Speaker 1: Seaan Tucker was kind of annoying. I'm annoyed by the 594 00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:06,320 Speaker 1: situation because I think Bucky's just too talented. Bucky is 595 00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:08,760 Speaker 1: a to me, just like please unload the clip and 596 00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:10,880 Speaker 1: just let him go, because you want to talk about 597 00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:13,720 Speaker 1: a guy that's going outside the top fifteen that's got 598 00:27:13,720 --> 00:27:15,800 Speaker 1: like potential top five upside. To me, it's a guy 599 00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:17,720 Speaker 1: like Bucky Irving who can catch the ball out of 600 00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:20,720 Speaker 1: the backfield and is a touchdown magnet. But what say 601 00:27:20,760 --> 00:27:22,520 Speaker 1: you fits you on this situation. You are high. You've 602 00:27:22,520 --> 00:27:25,760 Speaker 1: got him at RB sixteen, so you're higher than consensus. 603 00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:29,760 Speaker 1: But does your rank represent some of the like aggressive 604 00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:32,119 Speaker 1: feelings I maybe wanting to take him or is it 605 00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:32,879 Speaker 1: just hesitation? 606 00:27:33,640 --> 00:27:34,440 Speaker 5: No hesitation. 607 00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:36,640 Speaker 4: I'm gonna have so much Bucky irving this year, it's 608 00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:41,639 Speaker 4: gonna be ridiculous. There is this idea that Bucky's workload 609 00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:42,719 Speaker 4: is under siege. 610 00:27:43,080 --> 00:27:45,399 Speaker 5: Kenneth Gainwall replacing Rashad White. 611 00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:49,200 Speaker 4: Gainwall is like seen as this existential threat to Bucky's workload. 612 00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:52,000 Speaker 4: He averaged six point seven carries a game last year, 613 00:27:52,160 --> 00:27:56,400 Speaker 4: Gainwell did, and that was a career high. And like, yeah, 614 00:27:56,440 --> 00:27:58,520 Speaker 4: they do use Sean Tucker at the goal line, maybe 615 00:27:58,520 --> 00:28:01,119 Speaker 4: they will again, but like that's kind of the extent 616 00:28:01,240 --> 00:28:05,840 Speaker 4: of his threat. Bucky averaged twenty point three touches a 617 00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:09,080 Speaker 4: game last season. And we in fantasy always complained about 618 00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:12,320 Speaker 4: the extinction of the workhorse running back. And we've got 619 00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:15,119 Speaker 4: a workhorse running back right in front of us who 620 00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:16,159 Speaker 4: were trying to fade. 621 00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:18,320 Speaker 5: And I know, the efficiency. 622 00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:21,560 Speaker 4: Nosedive last year, Like the breakaway run percentage went from 623 00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:25,200 Speaker 4: like thirty four point nine percent in twenty twenty four 624 00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:29,840 Speaker 4: to like thirteen percent last year, and yards after contact 625 00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:32,280 Speaker 4: per attempt were way down. But like it was also 626 00:28:32,400 --> 00:28:37,000 Speaker 4: offensive line, the Bucks had ranked second in adjusted lineyards 627 00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:40,720 Speaker 4: and that was twenty twenty four when Bucky of the 628 00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:43,720 Speaker 4: great season, and last year they were twenty second in 629 00:28:43,760 --> 00:28:48,360 Speaker 4: adjusted lineyards and their PFF run blocking grade plummeted from 630 00:28:48,360 --> 00:28:50,560 Speaker 4: twenty twenty four to twenty twenty five. Like to my 631 00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:53,880 Speaker 4: Eyebucky was kind of the same guy he was last year, 632 00:28:54,040 --> 00:28:58,360 Speaker 4: like running super hard, making guys miss when he can, 633 00:28:58,440 --> 00:29:02,000 Speaker 4: but he just thes weren't there for him last year. 634 00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:03,440 Speaker 5: The big runs just weren't there. 635 00:29:04,040 --> 00:29:07,280 Speaker 4: Like, man, if people want to fade this guy, I 636 00:29:07,320 --> 00:29:08,320 Speaker 4: am total. 637 00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:12,280 Speaker 1: You and me lockstep brother. All right, running back three 638 00:29:12,360 --> 00:29:14,880 Speaker 1: is These are Arby's twenty five through thirty six, our 639 00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:17,560 Speaker 1: last batch here at twenty five we kick it off 640 00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:21,000 Speaker 1: with Bachelle Tuton, Jenderium Price at twenty six, Cheba hubberd 641 00:29:21,040 --> 00:29:23,080 Speaker 1: Jalen Warren, R. J. Harvey, and then we go to 642 00:29:23,120 --> 00:29:25,600 Speaker 1: a tier five which finishes out the rest of the ranks. 643 00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:29,160 Speaker 1: Here Rico dwell Now in Pittsburgh at thirty, Romandra Stevenson, 644 00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:32,680 Speaker 1: Toni Pollard Kaman on Guy Blake Korum, JK. Dobbins and J. 645 00:29:32,760 --> 00:29:37,720 Speaker 1: Cory Krosky merit our boy Bill looking at a debate here. 646 00:29:38,320 --> 00:29:40,920 Speaker 1: I really like this one, and I think Pat you 647 00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:45,240 Speaker 1: might've put this together. Here is Bachelle Tuton versus Jenderium Price, 648 00:29:45,280 --> 00:29:48,600 Speaker 1: So twenty five versus twenty six on this list, Pat, 649 00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:52,120 Speaker 1: you have it exactly in that range. You have the 650 00:29:52,120 --> 00:29:56,080 Speaker 1: same valuation, Tara, but you've got Bachelle Tuton quite a 651 00:29:56,080 --> 00:29:59,680 Speaker 1: bit higher. So Tuton comes in as an in almost 652 00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:01,880 Speaker 1: the top twenty twenty one for you. So inside is 653 00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:04,440 Speaker 1: an RB two and Price is kind of kicked out 654 00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:07,560 Speaker 1: their Bogman's favorite player, Jadarim Price. So Tara talk to 655 00:30:07,640 --> 00:30:10,440 Speaker 1: us about the differences in the draft value, any concerns 656 00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:13,240 Speaker 1: on Price, touton Unleashed, What do you have on these 657 00:30:13,280 --> 00:30:16,560 Speaker 1: two guys and how they are against each other for fantasy. 658 00:30:16,920 --> 00:30:18,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, I'll start off with Price because I think it's 659 00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:19,400 Speaker 3: very simple. 660 00:30:20,320 --> 00:30:22,880 Speaker 2: It can either be a situation of him going in 661 00:30:22,920 --> 00:30:25,760 Speaker 2: there and you know, unfortunately Seattle has said it's not 662 00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:28,120 Speaker 2: going to be the case, but you know, well the 663 00:30:28,160 --> 00:30:30,360 Speaker 2: off season speak is what it is from coaches. But 664 00:30:31,240 --> 00:30:34,760 Speaker 2: an there's a scenario in which Price immediately is the 665 00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:36,120 Speaker 2: RB one three down back. 666 00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:37,479 Speaker 3: That's what he's capable of. 667 00:30:37,600 --> 00:30:40,840 Speaker 2: But there's also the scenario where Emmanuel Wilson is a 668 00:30:40,840 --> 00:30:43,240 Speaker 2: big guy and can in fact be the Zach Cherbone 669 00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:45,640 Speaker 2: two price is Kenneth Walker. So that is my fear 670 00:30:45,800 --> 00:30:49,120 Speaker 2: is that despite the fact that Zach Sharbonay is injured, 671 00:30:49,120 --> 00:30:51,640 Speaker 2: that they are just going to create another Zach Charboney 672 00:30:51,760 --> 00:30:55,320 Speaker 2: and run the same situation with Bachel Tutin. We have 673 00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:59,040 Speaker 2: the same theoretical concern. The only difference is is that 674 00:31:00,560 --> 00:31:05,200 Speaker 2: Chris Rodriguez probably isn't the same level of back in 675 00:31:05,320 --> 00:31:08,080 Speaker 2: terms of three down opportunity. It was a good, upgraded 676 00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:12,719 Speaker 2: little season from him with Washington last season. But I 677 00:31:12,760 --> 00:31:15,120 Speaker 2: just think it's very interesting how we went from swearing 678 00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:18,880 Speaker 2: that it was Bachel Tuton's season, pushing Travis Etn out 679 00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:21,200 Speaker 2: of the way, and now all of a sudden, it's 680 00:31:21,240 --> 00:31:23,760 Speaker 2: not Bachel Tuton's season. We've got Chris Rodriguez that is 681 00:31:23,800 --> 00:31:26,840 Speaker 2: going to be the lead back there. My only concern 682 00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:30,760 Speaker 2: with Bachel Tuton is that past catching as a whole, 683 00:31:31,560 --> 00:31:34,240 Speaker 2: we know that he can in theory. He did have 684 00:31:34,360 --> 00:31:37,640 Speaker 2: a couple of touchdown receptions, but the usage of him 685 00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:41,200 Speaker 2: as a three down back and pass blocking would be 686 00:31:41,240 --> 00:31:43,720 Speaker 2: a slight concern, and we don't know if they trust 687 00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:45,840 Speaker 2: him at that level, So that's the only issue there 688 00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:49,000 Speaker 2: that would stop me from truly feeling like he's the solidified, 689 00:31:49,120 --> 00:31:52,280 Speaker 2: unquestioned RB one. But he was clearly trusted at the 690 00:31:52,280 --> 00:31:55,880 Speaker 2: goal line in short yardage last year. So the reality 691 00:31:55,920 --> 00:31:59,680 Speaker 2: of him operating as the lead back over Chris Rodriguez 692 00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:01,959 Speaker 2: with me be a little bit of passing down to 693 00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:05,040 Speaker 2: work from another back like Lawent Allen Junior. Maybe that 694 00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:07,640 Speaker 2: makes more sense to me, So I like him in 695 00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:10,640 Speaker 2: that RB twenty to twenty four range is a nice 696 00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:13,400 Speaker 2: little safe area where you can draft someone with potential 697 00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:15,760 Speaker 2: to be a lead back at not a massive risk. 698 00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:18,840 Speaker 1: So Fitz, let me ask you something. Then, great points 699 00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:22,280 Speaker 1: by Tara, especially breaking down on Tutin here. If you're 700 00:32:22,280 --> 00:32:24,640 Speaker 1: looking at RB twenty five through twenty six from a 701 00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:27,640 Speaker 1: basic strategy standpoint, when you're in this range of RB, 702 00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:33,440 Speaker 1: do you think you it is you're more likely RB 703 00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:38,400 Speaker 1: twenty five plus to be targeting stable players or upside players. 704 00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:39,840 Speaker 5: Kind of depends on the build. 705 00:32:39,920 --> 00:32:43,120 Speaker 4: For me, I mean, I want probably stability because I 706 00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:44,960 Speaker 4: tend to be a little wide receiver heavy in the 707 00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:47,440 Speaker 4: early round. So if I'm drafting a guy in this range, 708 00:32:47,480 --> 00:32:49,080 Speaker 4: it's probably going to be my RB two and I 709 00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:50,000 Speaker 4: need him to play. 710 00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:52,960 Speaker 1: Okay, that's perfect there because that would make sense, and 711 00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:54,680 Speaker 1: I think that aligns to where you're going, because I 712 00:32:54,680 --> 00:32:57,160 Speaker 1: guess what I'm getting at is like, who do you 713 00:32:57,240 --> 00:33:00,480 Speaker 1: think has more upside here? Is it Touton in that 714 00:33:00,560 --> 00:33:03,400 Speaker 1: situation where you're looking at Alan, you're looking at Rodriguez, 715 00:33:03,520 --> 00:33:05,520 Speaker 1: or you're looking at I mean obviously you you and 716 00:33:05,560 --> 00:33:08,360 Speaker 1: Bogman have that clip out on social where Bogman is 717 00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:10,320 Speaker 1: just waxing poetically, and I think you're kind of there 718 00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:13,600 Speaker 1: as well. On Jendarium price and what could be if 719 00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:16,040 Speaker 1: I'm if I'm at least you know, you're aligned to 720 00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:18,920 Speaker 1: what you're putting together here. My point would be is 721 00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:20,920 Speaker 1: like I kind of feel like price might be the 722 00:33:21,040 --> 00:33:24,080 Speaker 1: upside play here. And if you're looking for stability, is 723 00:33:24,120 --> 00:33:26,640 Speaker 1: does Tutan provide the proper stability that you're looking for 724 00:33:26,680 --> 00:33:29,800 Speaker 1: in that case? Or is the upside if the upside 725 00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:31,680 Speaker 1: to you is greater on price. So I kind of 726 00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:33,360 Speaker 1: threw a couple of things that you I was trying 727 00:33:33,360 --> 00:33:36,520 Speaker 1: to create a little piece here together of upside versus 728 00:33:36,560 --> 00:33:39,080 Speaker 1: stability and what your drafting habits are. So I guess 729 00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:40,760 Speaker 1: I'll just throw it back, what do you think Tuton 730 00:33:40,880 --> 00:33:43,400 Speaker 1: versus Price here? Based on the stuff I'm trying to 731 00:33:43,480 --> 00:33:44,800 Speaker 1: lead you into, I. 732 00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:48,600 Speaker 4: Am gonna come back with the totally unsatisfying response of 733 00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:52,160 Speaker 4: I don't know, Like I am so conflicted on these 734 00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:55,800 Speaker 4: two players. Like with Price right right now, I've got 735 00:33:55,840 --> 00:33:59,120 Speaker 4: to one spot higher than Price, I've got I'm right 736 00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:01,720 Speaker 4: in line with the cr RB twenty five touton RB 737 00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:05,000 Speaker 4: twenty six Price, but like I could easily flip lop 738 00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:08,120 Speaker 4: those with Price. Yes, you've got the runway early in 739 00:34:08,160 --> 00:34:11,280 Speaker 4: the season with sharbon Ay missing time because of the injury, 740 00:34:11,320 --> 00:34:13,080 Speaker 4: You've got one of the run heaviest teams in the 741 00:34:13,160 --> 00:34:15,480 Speaker 4: league with a great defense that's going to continue to 742 00:34:15,480 --> 00:34:19,239 Speaker 4: give the offense run friendly game scripts. And Price is 743 00:34:19,320 --> 00:34:21,760 Speaker 4: probably a good fit for a team that's gonna most 744 00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:24,040 Speaker 4: likely continue to run a lot of outside zone, which 745 00:34:24,080 --> 00:34:27,480 Speaker 4: I think Price should thrive in. At the same time, 746 00:34:28,640 --> 00:34:34,640 Speaker 4: I'm not totally sold on Price's prospect pedigree, and like 747 00:34:35,520 --> 00:34:38,000 Speaker 4: Charboney could come back at exactly the worst time in 748 00:34:38,040 --> 00:34:40,920 Speaker 4: the season, during the most important weeks of the fantasy 749 00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:44,400 Speaker 4: season to kind of spoil the Jenarian Price party, like 750 00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:49,239 Speaker 4: that's worrisome. And then with Touton terrelated out really well. 751 00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:52,240 Speaker 4: I mean, you've got Chris rodriguezz maybe the preferred early 752 00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:54,960 Speaker 4: down back, a guy who played for Liam Cohen at 753 00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:59,279 Speaker 4: the University of Kentucky. And then like that would be 754 00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:02,080 Speaker 4: fine if Tooton was going to be the sole pass gadger, 755 00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:05,160 Speaker 4: because we know Chris Rodriguez cannot catch worth a lick, 756 00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:08,719 Speaker 4: but like la Quinn Allen is there and might even 757 00:35:08,719 --> 00:35:11,759 Speaker 4: be the better pass blocker also, so it's possible he's 758 00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:14,600 Speaker 4: like the third down back. And you've got this terrible 759 00:35:14,719 --> 00:35:17,919 Speaker 4: limbo for tooting where he gets some usage but he's 760 00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:19,720 Speaker 4: not the goal line guy and he's not the third 761 00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:20,239 Speaker 4: down back. 762 00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:23,239 Speaker 5: It's just so messy for both of these guys. 763 00:35:23,560 --> 00:35:26,040 Speaker 1: Feels like there's a lot of messiness in this general vicinity. 764 00:35:26,080 --> 00:35:28,160 Speaker 1: You know, you're talking about some of the teams running 765 00:35:28,200 --> 00:35:30,279 Speaker 1: backs that you really like. I don't know if there's 766 00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:33,239 Speaker 1: a whole lot of like in this territory. I could 767 00:35:33,239 --> 00:35:35,239 Speaker 1: make a goin of like a blanket question. You can 768 00:35:35,680 --> 00:35:39,080 Speaker 1: you know that you have a Jaylen Warren versus Rico Dowdell. 769 00:35:39,200 --> 00:35:42,520 Speaker 1: Now you've got the New England situation, You've got a 770 00:35:42,520 --> 00:35:44,759 Speaker 1: lot of just situations are out there. Is there a 771 00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:46,600 Speaker 1: situation that with the final guy we're going to talk 772 00:35:46,640 --> 00:35:50,560 Speaker 1: about in RJ. Harvey? And is that situation just less 773 00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:53,680 Speaker 1: than ideal? He's coming in at a pretty robust twenty nine. 774 00:35:53,840 --> 00:35:56,600 Speaker 1: You guys both have him lower. Terry, you've got him 775 00:35:56,640 --> 00:36:00,800 Speaker 1: at thirty relatively on consensus. Do you think J. Harvey 776 00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:04,120 Speaker 1: is maybe the counter to all these weird questions we 777 00:36:04,160 --> 00:36:06,120 Speaker 1: have on these running backs or is he just in 778 00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:08,319 Speaker 1: that stable and maybe a little bit less trustworthy. 779 00:36:08,840 --> 00:36:10,719 Speaker 3: No, he's not the counter. Oh got it? 780 00:36:10,760 --> 00:36:12,560 Speaker 2: I hate that because I want him to be the counter, 781 00:36:13,120 --> 00:36:14,759 Speaker 2: you know, based off what we did see at the 782 00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:16,960 Speaker 2: end of last season. But I do think that the 783 00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:20,440 Speaker 2: that Jonah Coleman draft pick might have been the writing 784 00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:23,720 Speaker 2: on the wall because with Harvey, we're inevitably waiting. 785 00:36:23,719 --> 00:36:25,279 Speaker 3: We're saying, Okay, we know that it's going to be 786 00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:27,600 Speaker 3: a split with JK. Dobbins and RJ. Harvey. 787 00:36:27,719 --> 00:36:31,680 Speaker 2: JK. Dobbins early down and you know, goal line touchdown opportunities, 788 00:36:31,719 --> 00:36:33,440 Speaker 2: he can maybe get you one. JK. 789 00:36:33,520 --> 00:36:34,480 Speaker 3: Dobbins and then with RJ. 790 00:36:34,640 --> 00:36:37,080 Speaker 2: Harvey, you know you've got the pass catching up side, 791 00:36:37,160 --> 00:36:40,360 Speaker 2: the explosive plays right, and good red zone usage for 792 00:36:40,440 --> 00:36:42,440 Speaker 2: him as well. So he gives you those boom games, 793 00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:45,360 Speaker 2: but the consistency isn't there for him. There's going to 794 00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:47,480 Speaker 2: be a lot of dad games unfortunately. So a very 795 00:36:47,480 --> 00:36:49,560 Speaker 2: boom bus player that you have to live with. And 796 00:36:49,600 --> 00:36:51,960 Speaker 2: you're waiting for JK. Dobbins to potentially go down with 797 00:36:52,040 --> 00:36:55,720 Speaker 2: an injury. But now that we've got Jonah Coleman, you wonder, okay, 798 00:36:55,800 --> 00:36:58,720 Speaker 2: is the weight never going to come? Well, Jonah Coleman 799 00:36:58,840 --> 00:37:02,000 Speaker 2: just ascend into the JK. Dobbins role because that rule 800 00:37:02,040 --> 00:37:05,480 Speaker 2: would fit his actual usage. So I fear that it's 801 00:37:05,480 --> 00:37:08,320 Speaker 2: a permanent committee is my only issue. And I won't 802 00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:10,560 Speaker 2: rank him a lot lower just because I don't want 803 00:37:10,600 --> 00:37:13,840 Speaker 2: to overreact from a rookie being drafted who's going to 804 00:37:13,880 --> 00:37:15,919 Speaker 2: be the third option and thinking that he is going 805 00:37:15,960 --> 00:37:18,839 Speaker 2: to ascend. But the possibility exists enough for me to 806 00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:20,960 Speaker 2: say it's a no go for me. I'm just not 807 00:37:21,160 --> 00:37:22,520 Speaker 2: super comfortable with the situation. 808 00:37:22,920 --> 00:37:24,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's funny about this too. Maybe the better question 809 00:37:24,680 --> 00:37:27,080 Speaker 1: would have been highlighted more around Chewba Hubbard, because you're 810 00:37:27,080 --> 00:37:29,640 Speaker 1: looking at all these guys and you're just like, all right, 811 00:37:29,719 --> 00:37:32,920 Speaker 1: you see the same team name with the same player. 812 00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:36,320 Speaker 1: You see Dobbinson, Harvey in the thirty six, you're seeing obviously, 813 00:37:36,320 --> 00:37:39,480 Speaker 1: you know Remandri and Trevion, the Jacksonville situation. You just 814 00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:41,880 Speaker 1: see all these like split committees, and then it's just 815 00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:43,960 Speaker 1: like Chewba Hubbard Los Rico, and that creates maybe a 816 00:37:43,960 --> 00:37:47,000 Speaker 1: little bit more of an open Okay, let me answer you, 817 00:37:47,040 --> 00:37:49,080 Speaker 1: like this fits. Do you think R. J. Harvey and 818 00:37:49,120 --> 00:37:51,759 Speaker 1: Chuba Hubbard should even be in the same tier or 819 00:37:51,800 --> 00:37:52,600 Speaker 1: close to each other? 820 00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:54,680 Speaker 5: I mean, I'd rather have C. Cuba. 821 00:37:55,200 --> 00:37:57,759 Speaker 4: I think even though it's possible Brooks winds up as 822 00:37:57,800 --> 00:38:01,040 Speaker 4: the league guy there, it's just you're gonna get something 823 00:38:01,040 --> 00:38:01,560 Speaker 4: out of R. J. 824 00:38:01,719 --> 00:38:02,000 Speaker 5: Harvey. 825 00:38:02,040 --> 00:38:03,960 Speaker 4: I just don't know if it's gonna be starter worthy 826 00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:06,920 Speaker 4: because like Sean Payton always used as a committee, and 827 00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:09,760 Speaker 4: there's usually a lot of pass catching value to Sean 828 00:38:09,760 --> 00:38:15,960 Speaker 4: Payton's running backs, but man chopped up three ways with JK. Dobbins, 829 00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:17,799 Speaker 4: and like, I don't want to have to count on 830 00:38:17,840 --> 00:38:20,319 Speaker 4: a Dobbins injury. And even if Dobbins does get Hurt. 831 00:38:20,360 --> 00:38:23,600 Speaker 4: I think the Broncos still have Julia McLoughlin and Tyler 832 00:38:23,600 --> 00:38:27,279 Speaker 4: Bidet on the roster, so it's probably like working those 833 00:38:27,280 --> 00:38:28,279 Speaker 4: guys into the mix too. 834 00:38:28,560 --> 00:38:29,360 Speaker 5: It was just that R. J. 835 00:38:29,480 --> 00:38:32,759 Speaker 4: Harvey was so disappointing, I think after Dobbins went down 836 00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:34,760 Speaker 4: and just kind of failed to pick up the torch 837 00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:36,839 Speaker 4: and give them really anything in the running game when 838 00:38:36,840 --> 00:38:40,359 Speaker 4: they were like a legitimate Super Bowl contender. So I 839 00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:43,480 Speaker 4: just I think that was sort of the impetus for 840 00:38:43,520 --> 00:38:44,840 Speaker 4: the drafting of Jonah Coleman. 841 00:38:45,440 --> 00:38:49,040 Speaker 1: Disappointing might be kind of what this RB three twenty 842 00:38:49,040 --> 00:38:50,839 Speaker 1: five through thirty six looks like. It also is very 843 00:38:50,840 --> 00:38:55,000 Speaker 1: representative of very early draft season ranking. It is may 844 00:38:55,040 --> 00:38:57,600 Speaker 1: as we're recording this, we're doing the first iteration of this. 845 00:38:58,000 --> 00:38:59,640 Speaker 1: Lots of ranks still have to be put on, and 846 00:38:59,640 --> 00:39:01,759 Speaker 1: there's some times a hand being thrown up of like 847 00:39:01,800 --> 00:39:04,000 Speaker 1: we just don't one hundred percent know what is going 848 00:39:04,080 --> 00:39:06,760 Speaker 1: to materialize in this situation, and it makes it messy. 849 00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:09,680 Speaker 1: So you know, in any early best balls and drafts 850 00:39:09,719 --> 00:39:11,600 Speaker 1: that people are putting together, this is like a little 851 00:39:11,600 --> 00:39:14,320 Speaker 1: bit less of an ideal spot to be picking. Especially 852 00:39:14,440 --> 00:39:17,000 Speaker 1: RB two's like FITZI was talking about you might be 853 00:39:17,040 --> 00:39:18,960 Speaker 1: more wide receiver heavy, maybe you don't want to be. 854 00:39:19,040 --> 00:39:21,560 Speaker 1: Maybe you're looking for stability. This isn't really the true 855 00:39:21,600 --> 00:39:24,439 Speaker 1: stability range. But what say you? Who do you feel 856 00:39:24,440 --> 00:39:26,520 Speaker 1: comfortable with, especially in these RB threes. Put it in 857 00:39:26,520 --> 00:39:29,320 Speaker 1: the comments below and join the conversation. Going to fantasypros 858 00:39:29,320 --> 00:39:32,160 Speaker 1: dot com slash rankings, you can check out what consensus 859 00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:34,640 Speaker 1: is saying and then you can figure out where that 860 00:39:34,680 --> 00:39:36,399 Speaker 1: makes sense for you. 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