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Speaker 1: So I was watching the ingram angle recently on Fox

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Speaker 1: Shad Sullivan on the screen. He was talking about the

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Speaker 1: just how hard hit the cattle industry the beef industry

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Speaker 1: That's the discussion we're going to have today. You know,

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Speaker 1: as Democrats push this anti meat movement where they want

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Speaker 1: America's cattle ranchers and farmers, and the impact on beef

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Speaker 1: in America. We're all negatively impacted. And it also gives

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Speaker 1: them more control over the market as well, less freedom

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Speaker 1: for Americans, less access to it, to healthy meat, and

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Speaker 1: just punishing hard working Americans in this country. So we're

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Speaker 1: going to talk to Shad Sullivan about all of this.

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Speaker 1: It's a really interesting conversation. I imploy you to keep

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Speaker 1: listening and hear what he has to say about, you know,

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Speaker 1: his take on freedom in America, on why this is

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Speaker 1: so important him, his family, and just America at large.

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Speaker 1: He is an American cattle brancher, as I mentioned in

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Speaker 1: the RCAF USA Private Property Rights Committee chair. He is

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Speaker 1: also a fifth generation native of southeast Colorado, so we're

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Speaker 1: going to dig into all this with him. I'm a

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Speaker 1: meat lover. I don't know if you guys are right

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Speaker 1: eat steak at least, you know, once a week, really

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Speaker 1: important conversation. Stay tuned for Shad Sullivan.

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Speaker 2: Well, Shad Sullivan, I saw.

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Speaker 1: You recently on the Inger Mangle and I was like,

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Speaker 1: I want to get this guy on my podcast. So

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Speaker 1: I reached out to you, and I appreciate you making

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Speaker 2: You're welcome. I'm happy to be here. It's an honor.

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Speaker 1: Well, thank you. You know, I know you've talked about

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Speaker 1: this before, but you know sort of this anti meat

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Speaker 1: why do you think they're pushing that so hard?

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Speaker 2: Well, it's all about control. And you know, for the

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Speaker 2: last several years, last ten to fourteen years, you've heard

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Speaker 2: nothing accept sustainability, sustainability, sustatainability in everything we do in

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Speaker 2: American life. They're pushing what they call sustainability, and all

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Speaker 2: that is is a top down constructive control that comes

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Speaker 2: all sustainability is it's a governance model, and so in

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Speaker 2: order for them to be able to control the people

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Speaker 2: go after the food supply. You control the food, you

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Speaker 2: control the people. But more importantly, at the bottom of

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Speaker 2: that is who produces the food, who produces energy in

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Speaker 2: ultimately the bottom level is that is to gain control

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Speaker 2: of the land. We remember in twenty twenty two Klaus

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Speaker 2: nothing and you will like it. And so that's the

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Speaker 2: ultimate goal they're heading into. And the global elite is

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Speaker 2: an umbrella cover over many organizations, including the United Nations

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Speaker 2: We see that the European Union has adopted sustainable policy,

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Speaker 2: It is all about controlling private property. Because Lisa, the

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Speaker 2: they do not believe in freedom and liberty, and America specifically,

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Speaker 2: the beef industry is the last bastion of liberty and

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Speaker 2: Well, what has happened in the last thirty years is

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Speaker 2: And when I say that they control that they control

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Speaker 2: And so as we march to globalism, global control, and

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Speaker 2: And there's a plethora of reasons they do, but the main,

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Speaker 2: with that concentration during COVID, we couldn't get workers to

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Speaker 2: so you saw away from the cattle and beef inistry,

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Speaker 2: And so that was something that Coke did good that

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Speaker 1: And what does it mean for the quality of food

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Speaker 1: would be healthier. It would probably be raised with more

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, yeah, absolutely. Once we can get that beef

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Speaker 2: because that's a freedom issue. You buy what you want,

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Speaker 2: On the opposite end of that, if you go to

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Speaker 2: We're raising cattle. We're raising keVs on our ranch specifically

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Speaker 2: lot of money. The truth is is the farmer and

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Speaker 2: And then you add the inflationary costs that we're seeing

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Speaker 2: You know, when you have a rancher that's paying you know,

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Speaker 1: I mean, it seems so silly to me to be

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Speaker 2: Well? I I am a trunk guy as well, and

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Speaker 1: No, I totally agree. And and and the one that

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Speaker 1: Where can they find you? You know where can they help.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, my Facebook is open. It's at Shad Sullivan.

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Speaker 1: Awesome, Well, Schatt Sullivan. Really enlightening, interesting conversation. Look, I'm

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Speaker 1: Everyone that knows me knows my love for steak. So

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Speaker 1: appreciate what you guys do. Yeah, I love it, so Lisa,

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Speaker 1: and I love freedom. So you're you're speaking my language.

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Speaker 2: Holiday. Amen. What is your favorite cut of beef and

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Speaker 2: how do you like it?

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Speaker 1: How do you like Okay, So, I don't know if

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Speaker 1: don't get mad at me. But I'm a ribby girl

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Speaker 1: and I like it Pittsburgh style, where it's like rear

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Speaker 1: So I don't know if that's a terrible way to

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Speaker 2: Me and you are cut at the same cloth. I

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Speaker 2: just I love a red by.

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Speaker 1: So if you're going to go for stake, you might

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Speaker 1: as well, you know, go for flavor my opinion. So

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Speaker 1: thanks so much, Shad. I really appreciate it. Take care.

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much, Lisa Hey.

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Speaker 1: That was Shad Sullivan, cattle rancher and the RCAF USA

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Speaker 1: Private Property Rights Committee Chair. Appreciate him taking the time

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Speaker 1: to talk about this really important issue. Appreciate you guys

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Speaker 1: at home for listening to the show. I want to

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Speaker 1: thank John pass you and my producer for putting the

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Speaker 1: show together. Until next time,