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Speaker 1: Brad Thorge on divid Man and Brandan Webb for discussion

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Speaker 1: I say July five, and that is rising Tiger. Brand

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Speaker 1: and he also becomes a suspect in her in her story. Yeah.

429
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Speaker 1: And the third piece of it is that there's this

430
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Speaker 1: former Seal now we're tired, who has taken up the

431
00:22:06,080 --> 00:22:10,520
Speaker 1: mantle of psychotic serial killer and sociopath drug addicted character

432
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Speaker 1: who has been hired to track Finn down and take

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Speaker 1: him out. And so you're gonna have, you know, from

434
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Speaker 1: the from the beginning of the book, you know you're

435
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Speaker 1: gonna have this showdown of seal versus seal. It's like

436
00:22:21,400 --> 00:22:25,240
Speaker 1: intersection yet irresistible force, immovable object. What happens when these

437
00:22:25,240 --> 00:22:29,280
Speaker 1: two intersect, And of course it has to happen, you know,

438
00:22:29,560 --> 00:22:33,359
Speaker 1: near the spot where Brandon was touching two continental plates.

439
00:22:33,480 --> 00:22:35,879
Speaker 1: So it was just like this book just wanted to

440
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Speaker 1: get written. The one thing I would say shown on

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Speaker 1: the location. I think John and I dove so deep

442
00:22:42,560 --> 00:22:45,800
Speaker 1: end of the Abraham Lincoln that we liked exploring that

443
00:22:45,880 --> 00:22:50,480
Speaker 1: kind of single world environment to really, you know, I'm

444
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Speaker 1: I'm a fan of James Missner, and I felt like

445
00:22:53,040 --> 00:22:56,440
Speaker 1: I put a mission book down and I was taught

446
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Speaker 1: a history lesson. And I think that's something that that

447
00:23:00,040 --> 00:23:03,400
Speaker 1: Cold Fear really does well with Iceland, is people are

448
00:23:03,440 --> 00:23:09,160
Speaker 1: really going to understand the culture, the geopolitical importance, and

449
00:23:09,400 --> 00:23:12,080
Speaker 1: probably want to travel there after reading it. You know.

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Speaker 1: The interesting thing about the two of the settings to

451
00:23:14,960 --> 00:23:16,840
Speaker 1: me is that you know, on an aircraft carrier, you've

452
00:23:16,880 --> 00:23:21,160
Speaker 1: got six thousand people on board, it's still incredibly isolated. Yeah,

453
00:23:21,280 --> 00:23:23,640
Speaker 1: and you're still kind of an aircraft carrier. In Iceland,

454
00:23:23,640 --> 00:23:25,240
Speaker 1: it's an island out in the middle of the ocean,

455
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Speaker 1: and it is still a place with some pretty magnificent desolation.

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Speaker 1: You can be very alone in that country and in

457
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Speaker 1: a lot of trouble real fast with the weather turns.

458
00:23:34,560 --> 00:23:40,159
Speaker 1: I mean, like you gotta as it does as it does. Yeah,

459
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Speaker 1: So that's it's kind of interesting. You're almost carrying it

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Speaker 1: to the same almost to the same background setting that

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Speaker 1: the isolation. And I'll tell you a quick piece of

462
00:23:49,040 --> 00:23:51,359
Speaker 1: trivia shown about about the book before we move on

463
00:23:51,400 --> 00:23:53,280
Speaker 1: to anything on Cinnet, is that when we first started

464
00:23:53,280 --> 00:23:55,920
Speaker 1: writing it in early two thousand, twenty one. It didn't

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Speaker 1: book that I was telling bread this earlier before we

466
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Speaker 1: were on the book didn't have a title, and we

467
00:24:00,359 --> 00:24:02,080
Speaker 1: were throwing around a couple of different titles, and one

468
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Speaker 1: of the very first titles we locked onto was Black Ice.

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Speaker 1: And so we're gonna set that set a climactic scene

470
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Speaker 1: on a super highway in Iceland. It was covered with

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Speaker 1: black ice, and the villain Boone has this black op

472
00:24:13,520 --> 00:24:15,760
Speaker 1: city and knife when we're gonna name the knife black Eyes.

473
00:24:15,960 --> 00:24:17,680
Speaker 1: It was it was just it was a great setup.

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Speaker 1: But then we decided, now we'll stick with the Fear idea,

475
00:24:20,800 --> 00:24:23,320
Speaker 1: and we ended up with Cold Fear, which we really loved.

476
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Speaker 1: And the spring comes and this guy named Brad Thor

477
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Speaker 1: put this book up on Amazon called Black Ice when

478
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Speaker 1: takes place in Norway in the Arctic Circle, and we're like,

479
00:24:34,640 --> 00:24:40,680
Speaker 1: oh man, we just dodged. You know, maybe that would

480
00:24:40,680 --> 00:24:44,600
Speaker 1: have been very embarrassing. Yeah. Also Black Eyes, the other

481
00:24:44,720 --> 00:24:47,920
Speaker 1: the real black guys. Yeah, yeah, Black Eyes, which one

482
00:24:48,440 --> 00:24:51,800
Speaker 1: man and Steel Fear was actually your first shot and

483
00:24:51,920 --> 00:24:55,159
Speaker 1: yours Brandon's first shot at a thriller and pulled the

484
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Speaker 1: closure everybody where everybody is listening. I actually did some

485
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Speaker 1: background work um in research on on steel fear because

486
00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:05,439
Speaker 1: I was in the military, so they wanted to know

487
00:25:05,520 --> 00:25:07,560
Speaker 1: some things about you know, I would just work on

488
00:25:07,600 --> 00:25:10,680
Speaker 1: a carrier versus bad what they have a conversation like this,

489
00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:12,719
Speaker 1: that kind of stuff. But I don't know if you've

490
00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:14,239
Speaker 1: read it, if you had a chance to read it yet,

491
00:25:14,280 --> 00:25:16,000
Speaker 1: But there were parts. I know, I told you there

492
00:25:16,040 --> 00:25:18,119
Speaker 1: are parts in that book that were very hard to read.

493
00:25:18,440 --> 00:25:21,280
Speaker 1: And I'm not squeamish, and they were parts in that

494
00:25:21,320 --> 00:25:24,640
Speaker 1: book that just made my skin crawl. You really got

495
00:25:24,640 --> 00:25:37,320
Speaker 1: into the killings or yeah, like chow Hall PTSD, Yeah, yeah, exactly. No,

496
00:25:37,480 --> 00:25:39,480
Speaker 1: it was when it was when he killed the female

497
00:25:39,480 --> 00:25:42,399
Speaker 1: pilot that was that was a very hard scene. Yeah.

498
00:25:42,520 --> 00:25:45,320
Speaker 1: I mean, it's funny because Brad's talking about being a

499
00:25:45,359 --> 00:25:47,800
Speaker 1: pancer and about how he was. He has the shock

500
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Speaker 1: value and he experiences the same thing the reader does

501
00:25:51,320 --> 00:25:53,919
Speaker 1: when we knew that she was gonna bite it. It

502
00:25:54,040 --> 00:25:57,160
Speaker 1: was emotionally troubling experience. Because these things happened to a writer,

503
00:25:57,240 --> 00:25:59,560
Speaker 1: I'm not as much of the pancer. I'm like kind

504
00:25:59,560 --> 00:26:01,359
Speaker 1: of in the middle the road, all right, an outline

505
00:26:01,359 --> 00:26:03,840
Speaker 1: and then the outline changes constantly, and I'm developing the

506
00:26:03,840 --> 00:26:05,960
Speaker 1: side by side. But I'll tell you, no matter how

507
00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:08,320
Speaker 1: you do it, whether it's an outlining or it's in

508
00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:10,720
Speaker 1: just writing every day or whatever, the stage of the process,

509
00:26:11,480 --> 00:26:14,040
Speaker 1: stuff happens that you don't expect. As a writer, you

510
00:26:14,040 --> 00:26:16,440
Speaker 1: don't expect, And in fact, some of the best stuff

511
00:26:16,440 --> 00:26:18,440
Speaker 1: in the story, some of the biggest surprises and the

512
00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:21,560
Speaker 1: biggest twists and biggest shocks shot the hell out of me.

513
00:26:21,640 --> 00:26:24,639
Speaker 1: When they come out of nowhere and heard the minds

514
00:26:24,760 --> 00:26:27,159
Speaker 1: was was a pretty wrenching thing. But it had to

515
00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:28,919
Speaker 1: be done. Man, the story wants to do what the

516
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Speaker 1: story wants to do. Hey, quick, shout out to you.

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Speaker 1: Guy mccartlos joined This guy was one of the writers

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Speaker 1: on the site. Oh gay, thank you for joining us.

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Speaker 1: How do you guys come up with the cover for

520
00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:39,600
Speaker 1: these says? Do you approve them more? They were they

521
00:26:39,640 --> 00:26:43,960
Speaker 1: thrust upon you? You guys get at you ask the

522
00:26:43,960 --> 00:26:50,160
Speaker 1: wrong question, man, that's Brad asked Brad that guy. I'll

523
00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:52,879
Speaker 1: let Brad go first and all that. All that something

524
00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:55,879
Speaker 1: that one would be a landmine, the landline question. That

525
00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:59,720
Speaker 1: was a step on the landline for the first year

526
00:26:59,840 --> 00:27:03,160
Speaker 1: for me. I actually it was a good byproduct of

527
00:27:03,240 --> 00:27:04,680
Speaker 1: COVID and all that kind of stuff and all the

528
00:27:04,760 --> 00:27:07,360
Speaker 1: zoom things. I actually got to meet with the art

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Speaker 1: director before anything got started. And so at the City

530
00:27:11,080 --> 00:27:13,600
Speaker 1: Palace of Jaipur in India, there are all of these

531
00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:17,640
Speaker 1: amazing doorways going in and there's one huge set of

532
00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:22,199
Speaker 1: these gorgeous, intricate brass doors, and I said, I'd really

533
00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:24,399
Speaker 1: like to use those as the base and then build

534
00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:26,640
Speaker 1: up from there. So for Rising Tiger, we use those

535
00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:30,280
Speaker 1: brass doors. They did kind of a stencil of a tiger,

536
00:27:30,760 --> 00:27:33,200
Speaker 1: and then in the tiger's head you can actually see

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00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:35,200
Speaker 1: the real brass. You can actually touch the cover of

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00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:37,320
Speaker 1: the book and you can feel the way the doors

539
00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:38,600
Speaker 1: feel and all that kind of stuff. And then they

540
00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:41,000
Speaker 1: saturated it in blood red and it was it was

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00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:43,800
Speaker 1: pretty cool. So this year was very very collaborative, and

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00:27:43,840 --> 00:27:45,480
Speaker 1: it normally is I don't get a chance to go

543
00:27:46,040 --> 00:27:47,960
Speaker 1: right out of the gate with the first round with

544
00:27:48,040 --> 00:27:49,920
Speaker 1: them like I did this year with the art department.

545
00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:52,000
Speaker 1: Normally they have some ideas, I have some ideas. We

546
00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:55,560
Speaker 1: trade back and forth. But I am interested Brandon and

547
00:27:55,680 --> 00:27:59,080
Speaker 1: John here and where this artwork came from and how

548
00:27:59,119 --> 00:28:02,280
Speaker 1: many how many cracks at the pinata to you guys

549
00:28:02,280 --> 00:28:06,200
Speaker 1: probably got the candy out of it. I will take

550
00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:09,760
Speaker 1: this one first and then let John at two cents,

551
00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:13,480
Speaker 1: and then I'll do counterpoint after day at fifty cents.

552
00:28:14,040 --> 00:28:17,800
Speaker 1: So John and I did not get to meet the artist.

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00:28:18,040 --> 00:28:22,440
Speaker 1: I asked many times at first. We have an amazing,

554
00:28:22,560 --> 00:28:26,919
Speaker 1: amazing agent, Melissa Ruben, and an amazing editor, and but

555
00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:29,360
Speaker 1: we're in this, you know, we're at the stage where

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00:28:29,440 --> 00:28:31,840
Speaker 1: John and I are just breaking into the genre. We

557
00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:36,119
Speaker 1: don't have a lot of cloud at random house, and

558
00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:38,440
Speaker 1: they're like, not gonna let you talk to the artists

559
00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:41,200
Speaker 1: and I John and I were like, look, Iceland is

560
00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:43,840
Speaker 1: so cool. We just want to cover to capture the

561
00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:47,040
Speaker 1: coolness of Iceland. And so him and I are sending

562
00:28:47,040 --> 00:28:50,440
Speaker 1: like inspiration photos of the Northern Lights that wreck d

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00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:53,320
Speaker 1: C three, which you've probably seen on the internet, Brad,

564
00:28:54,160 --> 00:28:57,480
Speaker 1: and we're like, just make it Iceland. And then they

565
00:28:57,760 --> 00:29:01,880
Speaker 1: show us a cover and I'm like, this is Minnesota Iceland,

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00:29:02,040 --> 00:29:04,040
Speaker 1: and so we went round and round. I got so

567
00:29:05,520 --> 00:29:10,000
Speaker 1: I was restraining myself. Alyssa, my agent actually had to

568
00:29:10,040 --> 00:29:12,600
Speaker 1: have a meeting with the team about me and the

569
00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:15,520
Speaker 1: fucking cover and what it pain in the ask Brandon

570
00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:18,959
Speaker 1: is and and at the end we said, Okay, at

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00:29:19,040 --> 00:29:24,240
Speaker 1: least the cover says thriller, like like visually we think

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00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:27,200
Speaker 1: it says thriller, and it'll it'll kind of capture that

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00:29:27,560 --> 00:29:31,160
Speaker 1: what the book is about, but did not even come

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00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:35,400
Speaker 1: close to anything that I would have been happy with

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00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:37,720
Speaker 1: as far as Iceland, because you look at the cover,

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00:29:37,800 --> 00:29:41,200
Speaker 1: it could be Michigan or Minnesota it's and then there

577
00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:44,680
Speaker 1: aren't that many trees in Iceland. So I was just like,

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00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:46,720
Speaker 1: my ice and buddies are like, hey, you know, where,

579
00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:51,520
Speaker 1: where the hell's that in Iceland. The struggle was real,

580
00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:54,240
Speaker 1: But at least at the end of the day, Alyssa said,

581
00:29:54,680 --> 00:29:57,760
Speaker 1: she told me, she's like, look, it's a cool cover regardless.

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00:29:58,520 --> 00:30:01,520
Speaker 1: So you win some you lose them. So my my

583
00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:03,920
Speaker 1: counterpoint here, my counter point to that is, yeah, that's

584
00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:07,440
Speaker 1: all real. And also the cover as it is, it

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00:30:07,520 --> 00:30:10,880
Speaker 1: does evoke this very dark, mysterious you know, it's it's

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00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:12,760
Speaker 1: kind of a classic thriller kind of feel to it,

587
00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:15,280
Speaker 1: and it has become a little iconic just just in

588
00:30:15,320 --> 00:30:17,640
Speaker 1: the way it's been that the woodsie background and this

589
00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:19,960
Speaker 1: this unidentified man in a little bit of blood red

590
00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:22,560
Speaker 1: and it's served a pretty cool purpose in promoting the

591
00:30:22,760 --> 00:30:24,520
Speaker 1: concept of the book. What I want to add to

592
00:30:24,560 --> 00:30:26,840
Speaker 1: that is, if you guys get a chance, get on

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00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:29,720
Speaker 1: the UK Amazon and look at the UK cover, because

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00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:33,360
Speaker 1: they have a different cover in the UK. And it's interesting.

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00:30:33,360 --> 00:30:36,080
Speaker 1: Fact is Iceland is like a It's described in the

596
00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:39,200
Speaker 1: book like a lunchbox sandwich spill in the diagonal and

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00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:41,480
Speaker 1: it's pulling apart by an inch a year. It's a

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00:30:41,480 --> 00:30:45,480
Speaker 1: country that lives on top of volcanic fissure, right. So

599
00:30:45,960 --> 00:30:48,000
Speaker 1: you see that in this in the UK cover, you

600
00:30:48,040 --> 00:30:50,960
Speaker 1: see these two seals, these two guys going head to head.

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00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:52,800
Speaker 1: It's an aerial shot you see from above, and you

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00:30:52,840 --> 00:30:56,160
Speaker 1: see this crack developing in the ice, which happens in

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00:30:56,200 --> 00:30:58,640
Speaker 1: the book. But it's also really iconic in terms of

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00:30:58,640 --> 00:31:01,160
Speaker 1: what it says about Iceland, this place in the world,

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00:31:01,280 --> 00:31:04,160
Speaker 1: and about the state of Finn's mind. And so I

606
00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:06,520
Speaker 1: think that this guy's really nailed it in terms of

607
00:31:06,560 --> 00:31:09,560
Speaker 1: capturing all kinds of dimensions of a story in a

608
00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:11,960
Speaker 1: single image. Not to dis the Americans, but the the

609
00:31:12,040 --> 00:31:14,800
Speaker 1: UK guys, you know, really nailed that, sucker. But I

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00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:17,800
Speaker 1: like how you got I just can't imagine how you

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00:31:17,880 --> 00:31:20,040
Speaker 1: got through the spell check on the Icelandic words and

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00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:25,240
Speaker 1: that language is you know, we had a really good

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00:31:26,360 --> 00:31:29,719
Speaker 1: you know, it was always funny because in the final draft,

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00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:32,360
Speaker 1: just before it went into into copy of it in production,

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00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:34,440
Speaker 1: after copy of it, when it was going in production,

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00:31:34,880 --> 00:31:37,440
Speaker 1: I did find one word that volcano that went off

617
00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:39,200
Speaker 1: a few years ago, which I'm not going to try

618
00:31:39,200 --> 00:31:42,600
Speaker 1: to pronounce, was actually missing a letter and I noticed it.

619
00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:45,320
Speaker 1: Nobody else noticed in the Icelandic wers you read it,

620
00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:47,560
Speaker 1: so yeah, we we got it all. It should be

621
00:31:47,560 --> 00:31:49,440
Speaker 1: all right, it should be you're safe. You're safe with

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00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:51,480
Speaker 1: this then, and there's a pronunciation guide in the back

623
00:31:51,520 --> 00:31:52,880
Speaker 1: of the book, so you'll learn a little bit of

624
00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:56,280
Speaker 1: Icelandic language too. Yeah, because I've looked at the place

625
00:31:56,360 --> 00:32:00,200
Speaker 1: names and checked the back of the book. It's fun learn,

626
00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:04,160
Speaker 1: you learn how to say these things. We got a

627
00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:06,160
Speaker 1: died mc Cardinalston and here let me see if guy,

628
00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:08,200
Speaker 1: did you have a question you want to ask? And

629
00:32:08,280 --> 00:32:13,440
Speaker 1: hello Margaret, my favorite agent who put John and I

630
00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:17,760
Speaker 1: together all those years back. I'm thinking of one here,

631
00:32:18,040 --> 00:32:20,920
Speaker 1: especially for brand well up in the space station. It

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00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:26,000
Speaker 1: looks like, yeah, but we got a question, Okay, Hi,

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00:32:27,040 --> 00:32:33,320
Speaker 1: Hi Brandon, Hi John. Hello. These stories are these stories

634
00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:37,400
Speaker 1: are really intriguing, and I love the way you jumped

635
00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:41,840
Speaker 1: right into them and brought so much life and history

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00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:46,440
Speaker 1: to the stories. And you can alwayso tell when an

637
00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:50,520
Speaker 1: author has really enjoyed the writing because it's fun to read.

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00:32:52,280 --> 00:32:56,720
Speaker 1: So that's my Yeah, that's my take. Yeah, that's that's

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00:32:56,720 --> 00:32:59,479
Speaker 1: a lovely thank you so much. And I I second,

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00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:02,000
Speaker 1: what's got the thing about the experience of the writer.

641
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Speaker 1: I mean, you guys, if you don't laugh, I mean,

642
00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:06,280
Speaker 1: if we don't laugh, you're not gonna laugh. But we

643
00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:08,440
Speaker 1: don't cry, You're not gonna cry. If we don't get shocked,

644
00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:10,160
Speaker 1: you're not gonna get shocked. So it's gotta be fun.

645
00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:12,080
Speaker 1: You've got to have a good time. You gotta love

646
00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:15,120
Speaker 1: it to do it. And we're part of the books.

647
00:33:15,320 --> 00:33:17,200
Speaker 1: And then we talked about this in the first one.

648
00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:21,200
Speaker 1: It's ry man, it's dry, and it's it's it's harvering

649
00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:23,880
Speaker 1: behind it, it's you know, look for it, it's there.

650
00:33:25,280 --> 00:33:27,120
Speaker 1: It helps sometimes you act, you have a really heavy

651
00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:29,160
Speaker 1: scene to have some kind of a some kind of

652
00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:31,200
Speaker 1: a joker gag, and that kind of bring the audience

653
00:33:31,240 --> 00:33:34,440
Speaker 1: back from the Hey, Son, we got a question for Brad,

654
00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:38,520
Speaker 1: you know from the Flying Tingling stuff for possible films

655
00:33:38,520 --> 00:33:43,600
Speaker 1: some question, son, So actually we covered it from the

656
00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:45,400
Speaker 1: early but let crag over again and is there an

657
00:33:45,480 --> 00:33:51,520
Speaker 1: update on the possible films for Scott Warvathan. It's Harvap.

658
00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:54,600
Speaker 1: So people do that because they know a Horvath from

659
00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:56,840
Speaker 1: some point in their life and it just sticks. It's

660
00:33:56,880 --> 00:33:58,880
Speaker 1: hard to click over to Harvap is a character named.

661
00:33:58,920 --> 00:34:03,040
Speaker 1: So yeah, we actually have something we've done over the years,

662
00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:06,600
Speaker 1: multiple options in Hollywood, and sometimes if you go to

663
00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:09,279
Speaker 1: law school, you get taught sometimes the best deal is

664
00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:13,080
Speaker 1: the deal you don't make. So it's been a joke

665
00:34:13,160 --> 00:34:15,560
Speaker 1: that I can write in a town filled with so

666
00:34:15,560 --> 00:34:20,840
Speaker 1: many beautiful people. I think I've kissed every frog in Hollywood. Uh,

667
00:34:20,880 --> 00:34:25,680
Speaker 1: We've got an absolute A plus team on this one.

668
00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:28,239
Speaker 1: Like if I told you, guys just to the director was,

669
00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:30,680
Speaker 1: you would lose your mind. I mean, this is like

670
00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:34,920
Speaker 1: every guy's favorite and every woman who loves action movies.

671
00:34:35,160 --> 00:34:37,600
Speaker 1: This director is the absolute best in the business. We've

672
00:34:37,600 --> 00:34:40,320
Speaker 1: got a fantastic show runner. We're putting together our writers

673
00:34:40,360 --> 00:34:43,320
Speaker 1: now we're gonna be doing it as what we haven't decided.

674
00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:45,000
Speaker 1: So part of the talk is are we going to

675
00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:47,799
Speaker 1: do a feature and then a season of episodes kind

676
00:34:47,840 --> 00:34:49,880
Speaker 1: of like a limited run thing like The Night Manager,

677
00:34:50,040 --> 00:34:52,040
Speaker 1: Like do six state episodes and then have a feature

678
00:34:52,080 --> 00:34:53,799
Speaker 1: and kind of go back and forth like that kind

679
00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:56,359
Speaker 1: of a hybrid thing, which you're not seeing a lot

680
00:34:56,440 --> 00:34:58,640
Speaker 1: of right now, but would be a really cool new

681
00:34:58,719 --> 00:35:01,640
Speaker 1: way to approach this. So working on that stuff now,

682
00:35:01,640 --> 00:35:04,759
Speaker 1: but yeah, we have a very very awesome project in

683
00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:08,200
Speaker 1: the works right now in Hollywood. Thank you for the question.

684
00:35:08,600 --> 00:35:12,760
Speaker 1: Mikel wants to know Brandon everyone, if after having written

685
00:35:12,760 --> 00:35:15,600
Speaker 1: Well Brand, you're to writing twenty books, do you feel

686
00:35:15,600 --> 00:35:19,040
Speaker 1: like you're gonna dry up on the ideas? I think

687
00:35:19,080 --> 00:35:21,560
Speaker 1: after twenty kind of proves your have ideas all the time,

688
00:35:21,600 --> 00:35:27,400
Speaker 1: don't you. Don't anybody burn it out? Yeah, you do

689
00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:29,279
Speaker 1: have to be careful about burning out. But I love

690
00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:31,719
Speaker 1: it and this really is a dream job. So for me,

691
00:35:32,200 --> 00:35:35,440
Speaker 1: the hardest part of it is deciding what to write about.

692
00:35:35,640 --> 00:35:37,640
Speaker 1: And so I you know, like I never put bin

693
00:35:37,719 --> 00:35:39,640
Speaker 1: Laden in one of my books because I knew eventually

694
00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:41,600
Speaker 1: they were going to capture them or kill them. So

695
00:35:42,040 --> 00:35:43,960
Speaker 1: it's I call what I do faction where you don't

696
00:35:43,960 --> 00:35:46,360
Speaker 1: know where the facts end and the fiction begins. And

697
00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:49,760
Speaker 1: I like to set my stuff against big geopolitical set pieces,

698
00:35:50,120 --> 00:35:52,320
Speaker 1: and I want the books to be just as current

699
00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:55,239
Speaker 1: and just as exciting and fresh ten years from now

700
00:35:55,600 --> 00:35:57,920
Speaker 1: as they will be as this one will be this summer.

701
00:35:58,040 --> 00:36:00,760
Speaker 1: So it's a matter of sifting through everything that's happening

702
00:36:00,760 --> 00:36:02,920
Speaker 1: in the world, finding something I like, and then maybe

703
00:36:02,920 --> 00:36:06,200
Speaker 1: finding an interesting way into it. And so, for instance,

704
00:36:06,200 --> 00:36:09,360
Speaker 1: in Rising Tiger, this summer's book, I'm doing, uh, the

705
00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:12,680
Speaker 1: United States trying to kind of put some shadow diplomats

706
00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:15,560
Speaker 1: into Asia and push this idea of doing an Asian

707
00:36:15,680 --> 00:36:20,320
Speaker 1: version of NATO, taking the Quad with India, Australia, Japan

708
00:36:20,360 --> 00:36:23,719
Speaker 1: in the US and really formalizing that and making a

709
00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:25,840
Speaker 1: lot more muscular and how might the Chinese react to

710
00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:28,960
Speaker 1: that and building a thriller around China trying to stop

711
00:36:29,080 --> 00:36:33,440
Speaker 1: this big thing from happening. Interesting book on the books,

712
00:36:33,640 --> 00:36:39,120
Speaker 1: when you've been totally yeah, you have the new one

713
00:36:39,120 --> 00:36:42,840
Speaker 1: that's coming out in you have one that sort of

714
00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:44,640
Speaker 1: like your favorite, the book of your soul, the one

715
00:36:44,640 --> 00:36:48,720
Speaker 1: that you like one. You know what, It's tough because

716
00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:50,560
Speaker 1: I just poured a year of my life into the

717
00:36:50,560 --> 00:36:53,400
Speaker 1: new one. So Rising Tiger right now is my current favorite.

718
00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:56,239
Speaker 1: I joke it's like kids, you know which is your

719
00:36:56,640 --> 00:36:58,400
Speaker 1: is your favorite. I'll normally, you know, I'll point to

720
00:36:58,440 --> 00:37:00,000
Speaker 1: the oldest one and say, I know you're gonna make

721
00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:02,319
Speaker 1: daddy the big money. I'll be able to retire, You'll

722
00:37:02,320 --> 00:37:04,200
Speaker 1: be able to take care of me in my platinum years.

723
00:37:04,440 --> 00:37:07,279
Speaker 1: But it's normally either the book I've just written or

724
00:37:07,360 --> 00:37:10,600
Speaker 1: the one that I'm beginning to write, because I've got

725
00:37:10,640 --> 00:37:13,200
Speaker 1: all this excitement and all these ideas for it. So

726
00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:15,920
Speaker 1: they're all great, they all stick out, They've all been

727
00:37:15,960 --> 00:37:18,040
Speaker 1: fun to do. But I think probably the most personally

728
00:37:18,040 --> 00:37:20,439
Speaker 1: rewarding will always be the first one. And I'm sure

729
00:37:20,520 --> 00:37:23,480
Speaker 1: that John and Brandon could attest to this that you know,

730
00:37:23,560 --> 00:37:26,040
Speaker 1: it's a daunting thing to write a book, but once

731
00:37:26,080 --> 00:37:28,359
Speaker 1: you've written that first book, you know you can do it,

732
00:37:28,440 --> 00:37:30,320
Speaker 1: and you know you could do it again and again

733
00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:37,080
Speaker 1: and again. Brenders asked any advice for brand new writers

734
00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:39,640
Speaker 1: if you're just trying to do the business, what's the

735
00:37:39,680 --> 00:37:44,120
Speaker 1: thing you should do? That was for Brad. I think, right, yeah, yeah.

736
00:37:44,200 --> 00:37:47,840
Speaker 1: Question from Brad Canny advice for a new thriller. Stephen

737
00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:49,600
Speaker 1: King once said, and it's a great line that you

738
00:37:49,600 --> 00:37:52,919
Speaker 1: should write what you love to read. Nobody, there's very

739
00:37:52,920 --> 00:37:54,600
Speaker 1: few people that say, well, I'm going to go into

740
00:37:54,719 --> 00:37:56,759
Speaker 1: romance because I know that's where the money is. You

741
00:37:56,840 --> 00:37:58,719
Speaker 1: really should write what you love to read, because that's

742
00:37:58,719 --> 00:38:01,160
Speaker 1: where your passion is. But Stephen King says, and I

743
00:38:01,239 --> 00:38:04,120
Speaker 1: agree with it, and I extended out and say, you've

744
00:38:04,120 --> 00:38:07,440
Speaker 1: got a mini PhD. If you've been reading military thrillers

745
00:38:07,600 --> 00:38:10,960
Speaker 1: or espionage fiction for your whole life, you know why

746
00:38:11,040 --> 00:38:13,520
Speaker 1: you like that genre. You know why some books are

747
00:38:13,560 --> 00:38:16,760
Speaker 1: your favorites, and why maybe even you've got some favorite authors,

748
00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:19,720
Speaker 1: but one of their books really clunked and it didn't work,

749
00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:22,560
Speaker 1: and you don't want to repeat those mistakes. So you

750
00:38:22,680 --> 00:38:26,560
Speaker 1: really should write what you love to read, because you're

751
00:38:26,600 --> 00:38:28,799
Speaker 1: an expert in that field, whether you realize it or not.

752
00:38:28,920 --> 00:38:32,080
Speaker 1: And that's probably one of the best starting early writer

753
00:38:32,160 --> 00:38:35,200
Speaker 1: pieces of advice I've ever heard. Yeah, I would say

754
00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:39,240
Speaker 1: I agree. A good friend of mine said, I actually

755
00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:42,320
Speaker 1: was having a beerism in New York and I was like, John,

756
00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:45,880
Speaker 1: you're such a great friend. He's like to have great friends.

757
00:38:45,920 --> 00:38:48,399
Speaker 1: You've got to be a great friend, and I think

758
00:38:48,440 --> 00:38:51,400
Speaker 1: the same goes for writing, Like to write good, you

759
00:38:51,440 --> 00:38:54,040
Speaker 1: have to read good, right, you just have to you

760
00:38:54,040 --> 00:38:57,319
Speaker 1: have to read. And what's so cool about Like John

761
00:38:57,320 --> 00:38:59,600
Speaker 1: and I have different tastes and it's kind of like

762
00:38:59,680 --> 00:39:03,640
Speaker 1: this blend um and I think that we're we're kind

763
00:39:03,680 --> 00:39:08,520
Speaker 1: of navigating this kind of cross genre. You know, it's

764
00:39:08,560 --> 00:39:12,319
Speaker 1: not military thriller, it's not straight crime thriller. It's just

765
00:39:12,320 --> 00:39:17,160
Speaker 1: just like mesh of of stuff going on. But I'm doing,

766
00:39:17,200 --> 00:39:18,799
Speaker 1: you know, like seven years, I don't even know what

767
00:39:18,840 --> 00:39:21,000
Speaker 1: you like to read? What what do you like to read?

768
00:39:22,920 --> 00:39:27,640
Speaker 1: Brand seven years? I know you what do you read

769
00:39:27,680 --> 00:39:30,759
Speaker 1: for leisure? What's your I mean? I like, I'm a

770
00:39:30,840 --> 00:39:33,800
Speaker 1: huge Stephen King fan, Like I read everything King wrights,

771
00:39:34,200 --> 00:39:37,080
Speaker 1: so I can go to those dark places. But I'm

772
00:39:37,120 --> 00:39:41,160
Speaker 1: like Missioner Steinbeck like the kind of more of the classics,

773
00:39:41,200 --> 00:39:43,839
Speaker 1: But I read a lot of you know, sci fi

774
00:39:43,920 --> 00:39:46,919
Speaker 1: as well, Like I just reread Dune, which I think

775
00:39:47,040 --> 00:39:50,840
Speaker 1: finally they got the freaking movie right the second time around.

776
00:39:51,680 --> 00:39:54,600
Speaker 1: And John, I know it reads a lot of you know,

777
00:39:54,840 --> 00:39:58,080
Speaker 1: you know, Robert and John car and stuff like that.

778
00:39:58,080 --> 00:40:02,160
Speaker 1: Every week Clancy m all the Born theories. In fact,

779
00:40:02,480 --> 00:40:05,440
Speaker 1: John and I are working with our production partner, Ben

780
00:40:05,480 --> 00:40:09,080
Speaker 1: Smith did all the Born movies of Damon, So yeah,

781
00:40:09,120 --> 00:40:12,000
Speaker 1: I love love London is great. Did you remember the

782
00:40:12,280 --> 00:40:13,920
Speaker 1: Loveland books when I was in high school? If I

783
00:40:13,920 --> 00:40:17,279
Speaker 1: had poorn, Identity and the Scarlatti Inheritance, and they were

784
00:40:17,360 --> 00:40:20,359
Speaker 1: they were they were great stories. I mean they were

785
00:40:21,360 --> 00:40:25,560
Speaker 1: another one that if you haven't read National Hammond, Oh yeah,

786
00:40:27,080 --> 00:40:30,960
Speaker 1: Class and the Thin Man. The literature is just amazing,

787
00:40:31,080 --> 00:40:34,480
Speaker 1: the way he sets the scene and it's kind of

788
00:40:34,520 --> 00:40:37,520
Speaker 1: a literary device. But he writes like five books about

789
00:40:37,560 --> 00:40:40,520
Speaker 1: the detective. You never know his name, Untild the multi phone.

790
00:40:41,360 --> 00:40:44,160
Speaker 1: I would love to hear from John and Brad a

791
00:40:44,239 --> 00:40:46,959
Speaker 1: thing like answer that. The question the characters never got

792
00:40:46,960 --> 00:40:50,799
Speaker 1: to be of the books until what do you read? Well,

793
00:40:50,880 --> 00:40:52,480
Speaker 1: you know you've hit on lots of them that I

794
00:40:52,560 --> 00:40:55,680
Speaker 1: read in the genre. So growing up it was I

795
00:40:55,680 --> 00:40:58,560
Speaker 1: would grab the books that my parents would read. They loved, loved,

796
00:40:58,600 --> 00:41:01,919
Speaker 1: Lum and Clancy in all of those, all those people,

797
00:41:01,960 --> 00:41:04,120
Speaker 1: they're they're fantastic. So I grew up, you know, I

798
00:41:04,160 --> 00:41:06,640
Speaker 1: started very young with the Hardy Boys Mysteries. We had

799
00:41:06,680 --> 00:41:09,279
Speaker 1: all those books on a shelf in in our living room.

800
00:41:09,560 --> 00:41:11,520
Speaker 1: And I was probably picking up the Loveland books and

801
00:41:11,520 --> 00:41:13,920
Speaker 1: those other ones a little bit too early. But when

802
00:41:13,920 --> 00:41:15,719
Speaker 1: my parents would put him down, I would grab him

803
00:41:15,719 --> 00:41:18,200
Speaker 1: and I just Sydney Sheldon, believe it or not, who

804
00:41:18,239 --> 00:41:20,560
Speaker 1: did like a lot of romancy type stuff and mystery

805
00:41:20,560 --> 00:41:23,960
Speaker 1: type stuff, actually get some great international thrillers where he

806
00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:26,520
Speaker 1: had a military intelligence person in one, and so there

807
00:41:26,520 --> 00:41:29,160
Speaker 1: were some great things that he did there. I'm a

808
00:41:29,239 --> 00:41:32,640
Speaker 1: huge fan of David Morrell, and so David Morrell wrote Rambo.

809
00:41:32,960 --> 00:41:35,959
Speaker 1: Had tremendous success with Rambo, but he did a lot

810
00:41:36,040 --> 00:41:41,640
Speaker 1: of international espionage and international intrigue stuff. Morrel is still writing.

811
00:41:41,719 --> 00:41:44,560
Speaker 1: Is a fabulous, fabulous writer. I've always been a huge

812
00:41:45,040 --> 00:41:47,360
Speaker 1: fan of David's. That's kind of a cool thing to

813
00:41:47,440 --> 00:41:49,360
Speaker 1: be an author now and get to meet some of

814
00:41:49,360 --> 00:41:51,920
Speaker 1: these people whose books you love to to read. I

815
00:41:51,920 --> 00:41:54,560
Speaker 1: got to meet Clive Cussler before he passed away, and

816
00:41:54,680 --> 00:41:57,560
Speaker 1: just kind of a neat, neat thing. There's so many

817
00:41:57,560 --> 00:42:00,520
Speaker 1: good writers out there. And I'll take the question and

818
00:42:00,560 --> 00:42:02,479
Speaker 1: actually turn it back to the other question. Somebody asked

819
00:42:02,480 --> 00:42:04,680
Speaker 1: you any advice for starting writers, and I want to

820
00:42:04,680 --> 00:42:06,919
Speaker 1: throw something on that, which is, you know, Brad said,

821
00:42:06,960 --> 00:42:08,920
Speaker 1: basically read you know, right with you what you love

822
00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:11,759
Speaker 1: to read? I want to add to that, right do

823
00:42:11,840 --> 00:42:14,800
Speaker 1: you want to write? Right? And that really means makes

824
00:42:14,800 --> 00:42:17,440
Speaker 1: the decision that you're going to write. A writer isn't

825
00:42:17,480 --> 00:42:20,280
Speaker 1: somebody who gets published. A writer isn't somebody who gets paid.

826
00:42:20,760 --> 00:42:23,920
Speaker 1: A writer is somebody who writes every day. Makes a

827
00:42:23,960 --> 00:42:26,399
Speaker 1: decision that's I'm gonna do this, and then do it,

828
00:42:26,800 --> 00:42:29,640
Speaker 1: and don't get hung up on editing yourself. The number

829
00:42:29,680 --> 00:42:32,760
Speaker 1: one thing that kills new writers is the self editing.

830
00:42:33,160 --> 00:42:35,319
Speaker 1: There's you write a paragraph and then cross it out,

831
00:42:35,320 --> 00:42:36,960
Speaker 1: and you write a page and said, that's it. I'll

832
00:42:36,960 --> 00:42:39,640
Speaker 1: throw it away. Just right, man, just right, do it?

833
00:42:39,840 --> 00:42:42,640
Speaker 1: Decide right, you can edit it later. In fact, you better.

834
00:42:42,640 --> 00:42:44,560
Speaker 1: You're gonna need to improve it later. Don't worry about that.

835
00:42:44,760 --> 00:42:46,719
Speaker 1: Just get it on paper. Do it, do it, do it,

836
00:42:46,719 --> 00:42:49,200
Speaker 1: do it, do it, and John, that was how Billy

837
00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:52,440
Speaker 1: Crystal ended every one of his writing seminars. And throw

838
00:42:52,560 --> 00:42:55,840
Speaker 1: mama from the train every class, and the writer writes

839
00:42:55,960 --> 00:42:59,799
Speaker 1: and then the whole class goes always there you go. Man,

840
00:43:00,560 --> 00:43:06,840
Speaker 1: Oh so from check check after this airs will get sultry.

841
00:43:07,880 --> 00:43:14,400
Speaker 1: Yeah right, so let because I know you guys all

842
00:43:14,440 --> 00:43:16,919
Speaker 1: have you guys all have other commitments. So if there's

843
00:43:16,960 --> 00:43:19,959
Speaker 1: any other questions from the just your last chance, speak

844
00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:23,440
Speaker 1: now forever hold your piece. I would also say go

845
00:43:23,680 --> 00:43:27,680
Speaker 1: by Brad's book Rising Tiger, because the pre sales make

846
00:43:27,719 --> 00:43:31,719
Speaker 1: a big difference, especially the first week, and if you

847
00:43:31,840 --> 00:43:34,480
Speaker 1: haven't and if you haven't read Cold Fear, now this

848
00:43:34,520 --> 00:43:38,360
Speaker 1: is a fit. So I blurbed their previous book, okay,

849
00:43:38,360 --> 00:43:42,160
Speaker 1: which I loved. Okay, Steel Fear. You don't need to

850
00:43:42,239 --> 00:43:44,279
Speaker 1: read Steel Fear to go out and get Cold Fear.

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