1 00:00:00,840 --> 00:00:20,880 Speaker 1: Hi, everybody. Welcome to Packers Unscripted from Packers dot Com. 2 00:00:20,920 --> 00:00:24,480 Speaker 1: I am Mike Spofford, joined as always by Wes Hodkoits. 3 00:00:24,520 --> 00:00:27,240 Speaker 1: We're coming to you here from our studios at lambeau 4 00:00:27,280 --> 00:00:30,280 Speaker 1: Field and West. I'm not quite sure where to start 5 00:00:30,360 --> 00:00:33,199 Speaker 1: here on a Monday after that game Sunday afternoon at 6 00:00:33,280 --> 00:00:36,040 Speaker 1: lambeau Field, but I will start by saying, you have 7 00:00:36,240 --> 00:00:38,880 Speaker 1: permission to call me a liar because I said all 8 00:00:38,960 --> 00:00:41,760 Speaker 1: last week only one team in the NFC North would 9 00:00:41,760 --> 00:00:45,000 Speaker 1: be two and oh at the end of week two 10 00:00:45,159 --> 00:00:50,120 Speaker 1: and nobody the Packers and the Vikings one oh and 11 00:00:50,240 --> 00:00:56,400 Speaker 1: one after a nine tie. And uh boy, I don't 12 00:00:56,400 --> 00:00:58,720 Speaker 1: know that that was. That was some game. It was 13 00:00:58,760 --> 00:01:02,520 Speaker 1: some game in here's the tragedy in this, Mike. Uh 14 00:01:03,160 --> 00:01:06,640 Speaker 1: this is a really good football game, especially through the 15 00:01:06,640 --> 00:01:08,759 Speaker 1: first three quarters. I know for Packer fans that's easy 16 00:01:08,800 --> 00:01:13,360 Speaker 1: to say, but just in terms of the overall mechanics 17 00:01:13,440 --> 00:01:15,760 Speaker 1: of a football game, I thought it was just it 18 00:01:15,800 --> 00:01:20,440 Speaker 1: was two bulls clashing horns, Aaron Rodgers playing through the knee. 19 00:01:20,480 --> 00:01:23,840 Speaker 1: Everyone's taking pictures of the brace before the game, the 20 00:01:23,880 --> 00:01:27,160 Speaker 1: way the Packers offensive blind blocked, particularly in the the 21 00:01:27,240 --> 00:01:29,760 Speaker 1: you know, the first three quarters of that you have 22 00:01:29,880 --> 00:01:33,559 Speaker 1: the Vikings Kirk Cousins having a hard time getting going early. 23 00:01:33,680 --> 00:01:35,880 Speaker 1: Their defense is doing some good things, but yet the 24 00:01:35,880 --> 00:01:39,040 Speaker 1: Packers are kind of getting yards against the run with them. 25 00:01:39,080 --> 00:01:42,400 Speaker 1: They're just so many elements to it. And what hurts 26 00:01:42,640 --> 00:01:47,319 Speaker 1: is it was in officiating. You know, I don't want 27 00:01:47,319 --> 00:01:48,880 Speaker 1: to call to ball under you take it for what 28 00:01:48,920 --> 00:01:51,400 Speaker 1: it is. Everyone has their own opinion, but this is 29 00:01:51,440 --> 00:01:53,520 Speaker 1: Mike where you said you're a liar. I have to 30 00:01:53,520 --> 00:01:56,680 Speaker 1: admit I was wrong, and at this time I haven't 31 00:01:57,120 --> 00:01:59,640 Speaker 1: started working on Insider Inbox yet for Tuesday, but I'm 32 00:01:59,640 --> 00:02:02,800 Speaker 1: gonna have to put in there I was wrong because 33 00:02:03,040 --> 00:02:07,840 Speaker 1: I said during the preseason the rules emphasis emphasies are 34 00:02:07,840 --> 00:02:10,960 Speaker 1: going to work their way out the referees hopefully we'll 35 00:02:11,040 --> 00:02:16,240 Speaker 1: use common sense and we'll get past this. And it's 36 00:02:16,280 --> 00:02:18,919 Speaker 1: not working out that way. No, it's not. It's not. 37 00:02:19,080 --> 00:02:23,160 Speaker 1: And unfortunately, you know the game, it always has a 38 00:02:23,200 --> 00:02:26,280 Speaker 1: way of happening like this that you complicate the rules, 39 00:02:26,320 --> 00:02:30,640 Speaker 1: you make things difficult on the officials, and certain calls 40 00:02:30,800 --> 00:02:33,800 Speaker 1: are going to happen at the crucial moments with the 41 00:02:33,880 --> 00:02:35,880 Speaker 1: game on the line, the Packers think they have the 42 00:02:35,880 --> 00:02:39,040 Speaker 1: Game one, when Jayra Alexander makes a heck of a 43 00:02:39,120 --> 00:02:41,240 Speaker 1: play on the ball. Let's not forget about that. I 44 00:02:41,320 --> 00:02:44,680 Speaker 1: was a Willie Mays over the shoulder catch. Somebody put 45 00:02:44,760 --> 00:02:47,280 Speaker 1: him on the deep fly to center field. Yeah for real. 46 00:02:47,360 --> 00:02:49,200 Speaker 1: I mean I don't know how he made that catch. 47 00:02:49,280 --> 00:02:50,600 Speaker 1: And that's one of the things that it just it 48 00:02:50,639 --> 00:02:53,400 Speaker 1: doesn't it's not a story. So the Packers think they 49 00:02:53,440 --> 00:02:55,600 Speaker 1: have the game one, but the flag is out on 50 00:02:55,680 --> 00:02:59,720 Speaker 1: Clay Matthews and we find out after the game. Tony Currenti, 51 00:02:59,800 --> 00:03:03,600 Speaker 1: the referee, spoke with ESPNS Rob Dmowsky for a pool report, which, 52 00:03:03,639 --> 00:03:06,520 Speaker 1: for those who don't understand, that's where one reporter gets 53 00:03:06,520 --> 00:03:09,040 Speaker 1: to talk to an official and then his interview is 54 00:03:09,080 --> 00:03:12,160 Speaker 1: dispersed to all the media so that it's not a 55 00:03:12,200 --> 00:03:14,680 Speaker 1: press conference with all sorts of reporters per se with 56 00:03:14,760 --> 00:03:18,239 Speaker 1: a referee. But he does answer some questions and then 57 00:03:18,639 --> 00:03:23,440 Speaker 1: his explanations get distributed. So from the pool report, the ruling, 58 00:03:24,120 --> 00:03:29,120 Speaker 1: according to Karente, was that Matthews lifted and planted Kirk 59 00:03:29,120 --> 00:03:32,400 Speaker 1: Cousins into the ground. Essentially, now there was because before 60 00:03:32,440 --> 00:03:34,359 Speaker 1: that there was all sorts of speculation was that the 61 00:03:34,400 --> 00:03:36,800 Speaker 1: body weight rule. Did he actually think that hit was 62 00:03:36,880 --> 00:03:39,240 Speaker 1: too late or you know, because it was to the midsection, 63 00:03:39,280 --> 00:03:41,800 Speaker 1: it didn't seem like it was late. So now after 64 00:03:41,880 --> 00:03:43,640 Speaker 1: you get the ruling, then you go back and look 65 00:03:43,720 --> 00:03:46,800 Speaker 1: at it. And this is the simplest way I can 66 00:03:46,840 --> 00:03:50,680 Speaker 1: put it. It looks to me like Cousins comes off 67 00:03:50,680 --> 00:03:53,760 Speaker 1: the ground because of the momentum of his throw, like 68 00:03:53,960 --> 00:03:56,240 Speaker 1: trying to launch that deep ball is when his feet 69 00:03:56,280 --> 00:03:58,960 Speaker 1: come off the ground. That happens to be when Matthews 70 00:03:59,000 --> 00:04:02,680 Speaker 1: hits him. So CURRENTI sees it as Matthews lifting and 71 00:04:02,680 --> 00:04:05,520 Speaker 1: throwing into the ground, which really is not what happened. 72 00:04:06,080 --> 00:04:08,760 Speaker 1: So I'm simply going to say what I said an 73 00:04:08,760 --> 00:04:11,760 Speaker 1: insider inbox this morning and answering all these questions from 74 00:04:12,080 --> 00:04:15,000 Speaker 1: the fans. If the NFL is going to make the 75 00:04:15,080 --> 00:04:17,640 Speaker 1: rules this complicated, and they're going to protect players and 76 00:04:17,760 --> 00:04:22,120 Speaker 1: especially protect quarterbacks, then they also need to protect the 77 00:04:22,200 --> 00:04:25,200 Speaker 1: results of the games and let these controversial calls be 78 00:04:25,279 --> 00:04:27,520 Speaker 1: looked at on replay. I don't see how the league 79 00:04:27,520 --> 00:04:30,320 Speaker 1: has any other choice to eventually, at some point, I 80 00:04:30,320 --> 00:04:32,960 Speaker 1: don't know when, but to allow plays like that to 81 00:04:33,000 --> 00:04:36,080 Speaker 1: be reviewed, because one look at the replay and it's like, hey, 82 00:04:36,080 --> 00:04:39,120 Speaker 1: Clay Matthews didn't do anything wrong. That play should have 83 00:04:39,120 --> 00:04:43,760 Speaker 1: stood as called. Yeah, I agree, and I understand there 84 00:04:43,839 --> 00:04:46,640 Speaker 1: is a time element to it. I understand that they 85 00:04:46,640 --> 00:04:48,800 Speaker 1: always want to pick up the speed of play, they 86 00:04:48,800 --> 00:04:51,360 Speaker 1: want to keep people interested. But at the end of 87 00:04:51,400 --> 00:04:55,320 Speaker 1: the day, this is about winning and losing coaches, players, 88 00:04:55,520 --> 00:04:58,720 Speaker 1: It's about having a league that people believe the results 89 00:04:58,800 --> 00:05:01,880 Speaker 1: are just and that the results are fair and they're 90 00:05:01,920 --> 00:05:04,760 Speaker 1: not just arbitrary. Right. But I mean, like this is 91 00:05:04,839 --> 00:05:06,839 Speaker 1: this is a big thing, Mike. Then they're at a 92 00:05:06,839 --> 00:05:10,360 Speaker 1: crossroads in this in my opinion, because now you're you're 93 00:05:10,400 --> 00:05:13,240 Speaker 1: looking at I mean again, for for Mike McCarthy is 94 00:05:13,240 --> 00:05:15,680 Speaker 1: in his thirteenth year here, He's been through all the 95 00:05:15,720 --> 00:05:18,120 Speaker 1: highs and lows of this thing. There aren't there are 96 00:05:18,120 --> 00:05:20,920 Speaker 1: teams out there that aren't that well established. There's teams 97 00:05:20,960 --> 00:05:23,400 Speaker 1: that you know, coaches are trying to cement their system 98 00:05:23,400 --> 00:05:25,760 Speaker 1: and trying to cement their foundation working with these players 99 00:05:25,800 --> 00:05:28,760 Speaker 1: for the first time, and I don't know what they 100 00:05:28,760 --> 00:05:30,840 Speaker 1: tell him. On Monday morning during the film review, the 101 00:05:31,120 --> 00:05:34,160 Speaker 1: only question to Mike McCarthy's credit, he he didn't want 102 00:05:34,160 --> 00:05:36,560 Speaker 1: to make his postgame news conference about the comments he 103 00:05:36,600 --> 00:05:38,400 Speaker 1: did say, though, when I believe it was. Dave Schrader 104 00:05:38,440 --> 00:05:40,760 Speaker 1: asked him from w B A Y, is there any 105 00:05:40,760 --> 00:05:43,240 Speaker 1: other way to coach? And he said, I don't believe so. 106 00:05:43,240 --> 00:05:45,560 Speaker 1: So um in the two other elements I want to 107 00:05:45,560 --> 00:05:47,200 Speaker 1: touch on other than the instant replay, because I think 108 00:05:47,200 --> 00:05:48,919 Speaker 1: you're right. If this is the route they're gonna go, 109 00:05:49,320 --> 00:05:51,120 Speaker 1: there's ramifications of that, and this should be one of 110 00:05:51,120 --> 00:05:54,159 Speaker 1: the responses to it. I now fully I'm on board 111 00:05:54,160 --> 00:05:56,680 Speaker 1: with that, but I thought, and I tweeted this after 112 00:05:56,720 --> 00:05:58,960 Speaker 1: the game. Kenny Clark and the story that I wrote 113 00:05:58,960 --> 00:06:02,840 Speaker 1: for our website had such a great articulated point that 114 00:06:02,960 --> 00:06:07,480 Speaker 1: wasn't emotional, but he just said, listen, we're coached too. 115 00:06:08,040 --> 00:06:09,680 Speaker 1: Move your head to the side so you're not hitting 116 00:06:09,720 --> 00:06:14,680 Speaker 1: him in the helmet, proceed through the player's body with 117 00:06:14,720 --> 00:06:18,640 Speaker 1: your feet and take them down with wrap up with 118 00:06:18,680 --> 00:06:21,880 Speaker 1: the arms, and whatever happens, that's what happens. But the 119 00:06:21,920 --> 00:06:24,560 Speaker 1: game is moving so fast now that it's tough for 120 00:06:24,640 --> 00:06:27,200 Speaker 1: referees the process that in his Clark said, He's like, 121 00:06:27,240 --> 00:06:30,919 Speaker 1: do we have to demonstrably twist our body in the sack? Now? 122 00:06:31,000 --> 00:06:33,200 Speaker 1: And I think you actually saw Sheldon Richardson do that, 123 00:06:33,480 --> 00:06:36,039 Speaker 1: but he was outside the pocket with Aaron Rodgers. When 124 00:06:36,080 --> 00:06:39,000 Speaker 1: you're in the heat of battle, you're then putting the 125 00:06:39,040 --> 00:06:42,920 Speaker 1: defensive player at a position where they're compromised. Mike Daniels 126 00:06:42,920 --> 00:06:45,240 Speaker 1: talked about this too, the play where it appears like 127 00:06:45,279 --> 00:06:47,360 Speaker 1: he lets up at the end of it with Mike 128 00:06:47,400 --> 00:06:49,880 Speaker 1: Reamer's is blocking him. He said, one of the reasons 129 00:06:49,880 --> 00:06:52,080 Speaker 1: why he didn't follow through is one, you're not sure 130 00:06:52,279 --> 00:06:54,320 Speaker 1: Cousin is gonna get the ball out. In two if 131 00:06:54,320 --> 00:06:57,039 Speaker 1: he proceeds through the tech, you have a three pound 132 00:06:57,400 --> 00:06:59,960 Speaker 1: guard that's gonna fall on top of you. Well, what's 133 00:07:00,000 --> 00:07:03,000 Speaker 1: the ref gonna do. It's a difficult position for them 134 00:07:03,000 --> 00:07:05,080 Speaker 1: to be in. Yeah, and then and again this is 135 00:07:05,080 --> 00:07:07,320 Speaker 1: where and I go back to what I've said about 136 00:07:07,320 --> 00:07:10,040 Speaker 1: a lot of these calls over the last several years, 137 00:07:10,040 --> 00:07:12,600 Speaker 1: even going back to last season, I think what the 138 00:07:12,680 --> 00:07:15,320 Speaker 1: league is asking the officials to do on the field 139 00:07:15,400 --> 00:07:18,960 Speaker 1: is unfair. These guys, these guys are big, they are fast, 140 00:07:19,000 --> 00:07:22,080 Speaker 1: they are strong. Things happen at full speed, and for 141 00:07:22,120 --> 00:07:24,640 Speaker 1: these games to hinge on calls that are very very 142 00:07:24,640 --> 00:07:29,280 Speaker 1: difficult to make at live speed that I think for 143 00:07:29,560 --> 00:07:32,400 Speaker 1: to to avoid these types of controversies, and you're not 144 00:07:32,440 --> 00:07:34,760 Speaker 1: going to completely avoid them. I shouldn't say avoid, but 145 00:07:34,800 --> 00:07:38,040 Speaker 1: to reduce. I think you can greatly reduce the number 146 00:07:38,040 --> 00:07:41,440 Speaker 1: of controversies if you allow more things to be reviewed. Now, 147 00:07:41,480 --> 00:07:44,840 Speaker 1: nobody wants four hour games, nobody wants everything to be 148 00:07:44,880 --> 00:07:48,520 Speaker 1: stopped by replay. But at some point, if player safety 149 00:07:48,560 --> 00:07:50,720 Speaker 1: and all of this and protecting quarterbacks and everything is 150 00:07:50,720 --> 00:07:53,080 Speaker 1: going to be paramount, and I don't disagree with that, 151 00:07:53,760 --> 00:07:56,360 Speaker 1: then there has to be a tradeoff, and the tradeoff 152 00:07:56,400 --> 00:07:58,040 Speaker 1: can't be well, you just have to live with these 153 00:07:58,040 --> 00:08:01,400 Speaker 1: controversial calls. As as a fan of the game, I'm 154 00:08:01,440 --> 00:08:04,720 Speaker 1: not talking about this is sitting here wearing my Packers shirt. 155 00:08:04,920 --> 00:08:06,920 Speaker 1: As a fan of the game, I don't accept that 156 00:08:06,960 --> 00:08:09,360 Speaker 1: as a trade off. The tradeoff needs to be the 157 00:08:09,440 --> 00:08:13,720 Speaker 1: results need to be just and fair and baseball Baseball 158 00:08:13,760 --> 00:08:17,160 Speaker 1: postseason games are getting very difficult to watch. But as 159 00:08:17,160 --> 00:08:19,720 Speaker 1: I as I also said in Insider Inbox this morning, 160 00:08:19,800 --> 00:08:22,200 Speaker 1: there won't be any more Don Denking or moments that 161 00:08:22,280 --> 00:08:26,200 Speaker 1: decide a World Series championship because Baseball has decided replay 162 00:08:26,280 --> 00:08:29,520 Speaker 1: is important enough that you can't have everybody talking about 163 00:08:29,600 --> 00:08:31,920 Speaker 1: what should have been The calls need to be right, 164 00:08:32,040 --> 00:08:35,240 Speaker 1: as often as possible, and I think the NFL is 165 00:08:35,280 --> 00:08:37,320 Speaker 1: eventually going to have to decide that that's what they 166 00:08:37,320 --> 00:08:39,040 Speaker 1: need to do. Yeah, And and then just you know, 167 00:08:39,160 --> 00:08:41,679 Speaker 1: kind of sum up that point to Mike as we 168 00:08:41,760 --> 00:08:44,040 Speaker 1: proceed now going forward, I mean, I don't know how 169 00:08:44,080 --> 00:08:46,520 Speaker 1: they're going to go about this, handling this, you know, 170 00:08:46,720 --> 00:08:49,480 Speaker 1: day after day, game after game, A lot of questions 171 00:08:49,520 --> 00:08:52,400 Speaker 1: are gonna have to answer. But I'll say this, Mike, 172 00:08:52,640 --> 00:08:55,520 Speaker 1: the NFL officials office in New York is as well 173 00:08:55,559 --> 00:08:58,320 Speaker 1: positioned to handle something like that as they've ever been. 174 00:08:58,760 --> 00:09:02,160 Speaker 1: We've seen more stuff go to a centralized replay system. 175 00:09:02,200 --> 00:09:04,920 Speaker 1: There's a possibility there for them to be able to 176 00:09:04,960 --> 00:09:07,960 Speaker 1: absorb that. The question is going to be what's the 177 00:09:08,000 --> 00:09:10,720 Speaker 1: trade off. Yeah, And as I'm looking at my colleague here, 178 00:09:10,760 --> 00:09:14,240 Speaker 1: I'm realizing that Don Danking or reference from the Cardinals 179 00:09:14,360 --> 00:09:16,800 Speaker 1: Royals World Series is before you were even born, right 180 00:09:16,800 --> 00:09:19,080 Speaker 1: over my head. So, okay, I know that one that 181 00:09:19,160 --> 00:09:21,600 Speaker 1: happened though, with the kid grabbing the ball. I think 182 00:09:21,600 --> 00:09:23,640 Speaker 1: at Yankee Stadium? Was it or was it that was 183 00:09:23,679 --> 00:09:27,160 Speaker 1: Jeffrey Mayer? That was Yankees Orioles? Yeah, that was Richie Garcia. 184 00:09:27,240 --> 00:09:29,800 Speaker 1: I got that one line. Yeah, that was yeah now, 185 00:09:29,880 --> 00:09:32,000 Speaker 1: don Denking, or was before you were born, but you 186 00:09:32,000 --> 00:09:36,400 Speaker 1: can google it. World Series call it first base changed 187 00:09:36,440 --> 00:09:39,719 Speaker 1: everything anyway at Homer Here in the stands West, we 188 00:09:39,760 --> 00:09:41,560 Speaker 1: all know that Green Bay fans give it. They're all 189 00:09:41,600 --> 00:09:43,400 Speaker 1: and that takes a lot of energy. So grab a 190 00:09:43,400 --> 00:09:46,200 Speaker 1: warm bowl of Campbell's Chunky Soup. It's meaty goodness fuels 191 00:09:46,200 --> 00:09:49,360 Speaker 1: the greatness of Packers fans everywhere. Try the delicious classic 192 00:09:49,480 --> 00:09:52,440 Speaker 1: chicken noodle soup. Just visit your local supermarket and ask 193 00:09:52,480 --> 00:09:55,360 Speaker 1: for Campbell's Chunky Soup, the official sup partner of the 194 00:09:55,360 --> 00:09:59,640 Speaker 1: Green Bay Packers. Okay, controversy aside. I think what really 195 00:09:59,679 --> 00:10:03,120 Speaker 1: sting is about this game for the Packers is as 196 00:10:03,200 --> 00:10:05,760 Speaker 1: well as they played for such a large portion of 197 00:10:05,800 --> 00:10:09,400 Speaker 1: the game and having numerous opportunities to put the game 198 00:10:09,440 --> 00:10:13,000 Speaker 1: away and it didn't happen. Aaron Rodgers, I thought, played 199 00:10:13,000 --> 00:10:16,080 Speaker 1: a tremendous game on his bad left knee. Was definitely 200 00:10:16,080 --> 00:10:18,439 Speaker 1: more mobile than he was in the second half against 201 00:10:18,480 --> 00:10:21,520 Speaker 1: Chicago the previous week. That was a good sign um 202 00:10:21,720 --> 00:10:24,360 Speaker 1: he really the Packers really moved the ball pretty darn 203 00:10:24,400 --> 00:10:27,480 Speaker 1: well overall against one of the league's best defense. Is 204 00:10:27,520 --> 00:10:31,400 Speaker 1: what was the league's best defense a year ago. And uh, 205 00:10:31,480 --> 00:10:33,880 Speaker 1: but it was just an inability to finish in the 206 00:10:33,920 --> 00:10:36,960 Speaker 1: red zone. Kicking too many field goals, you have an 207 00:10:37,000 --> 00:10:39,319 Speaker 1: opportunity to win the game at the end of regulation. 208 00:10:39,400 --> 00:10:41,960 Speaker 1: Mason Crosby makes the first one, but the time out 209 00:10:42,400 --> 00:10:44,680 Speaker 1: was called before the snap, and then he misses the 210 00:10:44,720 --> 00:10:48,400 Speaker 1: second one. UM. The Vikings obviously blow two field goals 211 00:10:48,400 --> 00:10:51,320 Speaker 1: in overtime. We know all about that as well. UM. 212 00:10:51,360 --> 00:10:53,960 Speaker 1: Just a tough one to swallow, because it would be 213 00:10:54,040 --> 00:10:57,120 Speaker 1: nice if we were talking about the Packers finding a 214 00:10:57,160 --> 00:10:59,880 Speaker 1: way to put this game away and not worrying about 215 00:11:00,000 --> 00:11:02,720 Speaker 1: what happened with Matthew. The end result really didn't fit 216 00:11:03,240 --> 00:11:06,960 Speaker 1: what the overall storyline was, the narrative of that football game. 217 00:11:06,960 --> 00:11:08,480 Speaker 1: I think that's the tough part because one of the 218 00:11:08,480 --> 00:11:11,120 Speaker 1: things I wrote on the Insider Inbox on Saturday was 219 00:11:11,160 --> 00:11:14,160 Speaker 1: that regardless of rather or not Rogers played, And as 220 00:11:14,160 --> 00:11:16,080 Speaker 1: it turns out, Mike McCarthy said he ended up taking 221 00:11:16,120 --> 00:11:19,000 Speaker 1: most of the practice reps on Saturday, he was out there. 222 00:11:19,280 --> 00:11:21,960 Speaker 1: But regardless, everybody needs to elevate their game. I thought 223 00:11:21,960 --> 00:11:25,120 Speaker 1: the offensive line, especially early on, played really well, given 224 00:11:25,200 --> 00:11:28,200 Speaker 1: him a manageable pocket. You saw Geronimo Allison. He had 225 00:11:28,240 --> 00:11:31,160 Speaker 1: six catches for sixty four yards and he blocked that punt. 226 00:11:31,360 --> 00:11:34,160 Speaker 1: I mean watching that play, Mike, he put his hand 227 00:11:34,200 --> 00:11:35,880 Speaker 1: out there, he put his body out there. He was 228 00:11:36,520 --> 00:11:40,959 Speaker 1: everything to extend and Josh Jackson ends up grabbing the touchdown. 229 00:11:41,000 --> 00:11:44,040 Speaker 1: Gives him a huge jolt of energy. Early on, Jimmy 230 00:11:44,080 --> 00:11:47,880 Speaker 1: Graham had an exceptional game, six catches for I believe 231 00:11:47,920 --> 00:11:50,360 Speaker 1: it was eighty five yards. Maybe you can make the arguments, 232 00:11:50,360 --> 00:11:54,800 Speaker 1: should maybe make the argument should have been even more. 233 00:11:55,160 --> 00:11:57,160 Speaker 1: That play gets called back due to probably a pretty 234 00:11:57,240 --> 00:11:59,839 Speaker 1: questionable holding call as well, and then he goes and 235 00:12:00,000 --> 00:12:02,319 Speaker 1: makes that big catch near the sideline that actually set 236 00:12:02,320 --> 00:12:05,599 Speaker 1: it up for Mason Crosby to try the game winner. Crosby, 237 00:12:05,679 --> 00:12:07,960 Speaker 1: he mentioned that was going down to his best game 238 00:12:07,960 --> 00:12:11,000 Speaker 1: in the regular season, and the narrative changes. Yeah, he's five, 239 00:12:11,040 --> 00:12:13,439 Speaker 1: He's five for five, which ties his career high for 240 00:12:13,600 --> 00:12:16,040 Speaker 1: made field goals in a game, goes out there for 241 00:12:16,040 --> 00:12:18,800 Speaker 1: the fifty two yard or and you know, after what 242 00:12:18,880 --> 00:12:22,240 Speaker 1: I thought was very similar to the Rogers to Jared 243 00:12:22,280 --> 00:12:25,080 Speaker 1: Cook play in Dallas in the playoffs. You know where 244 00:12:25,080 --> 00:12:27,240 Speaker 1: where the time is running out, you just don't think 245 00:12:27,240 --> 00:12:29,640 Speaker 1: the Packers have enough time to get in field goal range. 246 00:12:29,920 --> 00:12:32,560 Speaker 1: Rogers makes a connection with the tight end along the sideline, 247 00:12:32,600 --> 00:12:36,600 Speaker 1: big gainer. Then you're in position, and Crosby's having having 248 00:12:36,600 --> 00:12:38,480 Speaker 1: the game of his life. And as I said, he 249 00:12:38,520 --> 00:12:41,080 Speaker 1: makes the first one, but it doesn't count. He plays 250 00:12:41,120 --> 00:12:43,600 Speaker 1: the exact same line with the wind blowing to the right, 251 00:12:43,880 --> 00:12:45,800 Speaker 1: and on the second one, the wind just didn't blow 252 00:12:45,800 --> 00:12:47,439 Speaker 1: it back in like it had with all his other 253 00:12:47,520 --> 00:12:50,480 Speaker 1: kicks during the day, and uh um. And so the 254 00:12:50,520 --> 00:12:53,120 Speaker 1: game goes to overtime, and just just unfortunate because it 255 00:12:53,160 --> 00:12:54,640 Speaker 1: would have been it would have been really something to 256 00:12:54,640 --> 00:12:56,280 Speaker 1: see the Packers pull out. And as you and I 257 00:12:56,360 --> 00:12:58,920 Speaker 1: were talking about before, and Danny Carlson going out there, 258 00:12:58,960 --> 00:13:01,480 Speaker 1: Daniel Cardinal Sinex used me he was having trouble with 259 00:13:01,559 --> 00:13:04,760 Speaker 1: that same end zone ball pushing right, three miss field goals, 260 00:13:04,880 --> 00:13:07,760 Speaker 1: kicking to that particular side of the stadium. Tough position 261 00:13:07,840 --> 00:13:09,559 Speaker 1: for both sides. And and I mean both of these 262 00:13:09,559 --> 00:13:11,839 Speaker 1: teams afterwards, and I wrote about it a lot of 263 00:13:11,920 --> 00:13:14,880 Speaker 1: mixed emotions because it's a big game. I mean, it's 264 00:13:14,960 --> 00:13:17,080 Speaker 1: NFC North, it's one of the as I mentioned before, 265 00:13:17,120 --> 00:13:19,040 Speaker 1: two of the top teams I think in this conference 266 00:13:19,360 --> 00:13:21,120 Speaker 1: and for it to end this way, there is that 267 00:13:21,200 --> 00:13:23,960 Speaker 1: feeling of just sort of an unresolved outcome, and that's 268 00:13:24,080 --> 00:13:27,520 Speaker 1: sometimes tough to process. Yeah, it's unresolved in the rematch 269 00:13:27,520 --> 00:13:30,040 Speaker 1: in Minneapolis is more than two months away. You're talking 270 00:13:30,080 --> 00:13:33,719 Speaker 1: about the Sunday of Thanksgiving weekend before these teams are 271 00:13:33,720 --> 00:13:36,240 Speaker 1: going to uh meet again. But it's interesting. And I 272 00:13:36,240 --> 00:13:38,680 Speaker 1: don't want to get all back into the Matthews controversy 273 00:13:38,720 --> 00:13:41,440 Speaker 1: because I think I think we've discussed that plenty. But 274 00:13:41,520 --> 00:13:45,040 Speaker 1: it's interesting to me how the perception of everything that 275 00:13:45,080 --> 00:13:48,120 Speaker 1: went on in this game changes with that one call, 276 00:13:48,280 --> 00:13:51,160 Speaker 1: Because if you look at Kirk Cousins, and I take 277 00:13:51,200 --> 00:13:54,400 Speaker 1: nothing away from, you know, the way Kirk Cousins performed 278 00:13:54,440 --> 00:13:56,640 Speaker 1: in this game and that fourth quarter rally and everything, 279 00:13:56,679 --> 00:13:59,640 Speaker 1: but if the flag isn't out on Matthews and the 280 00:13:59,679 --> 00:14:03,839 Speaker 1: inner option with Alexander stands, and that basically ends the game. 281 00:14:04,679 --> 00:14:07,320 Speaker 1: Kirk Cousins ends up with about two hundred and eighty 282 00:14:07,400 --> 00:14:09,559 Speaker 1: yards passing because he had about a hundred and forty 283 00:14:09,679 --> 00:14:14,880 Speaker 1: yards after the interception was nullified, has three touchdowns, two interceptions. 284 00:14:14,960 --> 00:14:17,760 Speaker 1: Is passer rating is certainly under a hundred with the 285 00:14:17,800 --> 00:14:21,560 Speaker 1: second interception, and all the headlines in Minnesota are They're wondering, 286 00:14:21,560 --> 00:14:23,600 Speaker 1: why did we really get our money's worth work with 287 00:14:23,720 --> 00:14:26,040 Speaker 1: Kirk Cousins. He throws two interceptions late in the fourth 288 00:14:26,120 --> 00:14:28,400 Speaker 1: quarter with the game on the line. Instead, what are 289 00:14:28,400 --> 00:14:31,160 Speaker 1: the headlines in Minnesota? This is why the Vikings signed 290 00:14:31,240 --> 00:14:34,840 Speaker 1: Kirk Cousins because he ends up with four five yards, 291 00:14:34,840 --> 00:14:37,360 Speaker 1: four touchdowns, twenty two points in the fourth quarter to 292 00:14:37,440 --> 00:14:40,560 Speaker 1: pull a game into overtime that the Vikings seemingly were 293 00:14:40,560 --> 00:14:44,240 Speaker 1: out of and um give the Vikings defense credit. They 294 00:14:44,280 --> 00:14:46,880 Speaker 1: stopped a lot of those opportunities where the Packers did 295 00:14:46,920 --> 00:14:49,200 Speaker 1: have a chance to put it away, especially after Clinton 296 00:14:49,240 --> 00:14:52,840 Speaker 1: Dix's deflected interception the balls at the thirteen yard line. 297 00:14:53,160 --> 00:14:55,000 Speaker 1: I said to you write when it happened because of 298 00:14:55,000 --> 00:14:57,600 Speaker 1: the clock in Minnesota's time outs, I was like, this 299 00:14:57,680 --> 00:14:59,920 Speaker 1: game is not over. The Packers either need a touch 300 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:01,960 Speaker 1: down or a first down. They could add a first 301 00:15:01,960 --> 00:15:04,280 Speaker 1: down at the three yard line. They need a touchdown 302 00:15:04,360 --> 00:15:05,840 Speaker 1: or a first down to be able to put this 303 00:15:05,880 --> 00:15:07,640 Speaker 1: game away. A field goal will not do it, and 304 00:15:07,680 --> 00:15:10,080 Speaker 1: we'll give the Vikings another chance. And then that that's 305 00:15:10,280 --> 00:15:13,760 Speaker 1: exactly what happened. The Vikings got one more chance, and 306 00:15:13,760 --> 00:15:16,400 Speaker 1: and uh, it's just it's interesting to me just how 307 00:15:16,440 --> 00:15:19,520 Speaker 1: the how the narratives completely flipped because we'd be talking 308 00:15:19,560 --> 00:15:21,560 Speaker 1: about the Packers being two and oh they just got 309 00:15:21,560 --> 00:15:24,120 Speaker 1: a leg up on the Vikings and you know everything else. 310 00:15:24,160 --> 00:15:27,200 Speaker 1: And but that's that's the way of this league. Sometimes 311 00:15:27,240 --> 00:15:29,200 Speaker 1: you just have to shrug your shoulders and smile and 312 00:15:29,280 --> 00:15:31,440 Speaker 1: laugh a little bit because it's two games in. There's 313 00:15:31,440 --> 00:15:33,280 Speaker 1: four team more of these to go, and a lot 314 00:15:33,360 --> 00:15:35,680 Speaker 1: is going to happen between now and the new year, 315 00:15:35,880 --> 00:15:37,440 Speaker 1: right and one of the other things I think would 316 00:15:37,440 --> 00:15:38,960 Speaker 1: have been a big storyline probably would have been a 317 00:15:38,960 --> 00:15:42,040 Speaker 1: sidebar at least the notes lead to my my coverage 318 00:15:42,360 --> 00:15:44,880 Speaker 1: was the fact that that sub base defensive Packers turn 319 00:15:44,960 --> 00:15:47,720 Speaker 1: to actually worked out pretty well early on. I think 320 00:15:47,760 --> 00:15:49,640 Speaker 1: there was a little bit of attrition there towards the 321 00:15:49,760 --> 00:15:53,400 Speaker 1: end they lose Kevin King. That's a big one. Him 322 00:15:53,600 --> 00:15:56,200 Speaker 1: exiting that game with the groin injury. I think you've 323 00:15:56,200 --> 00:15:59,480 Speaker 1: seen with him Jackers. Packers missed him in the fourth quarter, 324 00:15:59,560 --> 00:16:02,040 Speaker 1: there's no question. Literally right before he goes out, Mike, 325 00:16:02,080 --> 00:16:04,680 Speaker 1: he makes a picture perfect coverage. I believe it was 326 00:16:04,720 --> 00:16:07,400 Speaker 1: on Stefon digs along the sideline. He's with them step 327 00:16:07,480 --> 00:16:09,760 Speaker 1: for step on third down with no help over the top, 328 00:16:10,240 --> 00:16:12,520 Speaker 1: just showing you the kind of athlete he is. And 329 00:16:12,560 --> 00:16:14,640 Speaker 1: the other side of that is with Devon House going in, 330 00:16:15,040 --> 00:16:19,000 Speaker 1: they didn't really have another backup defensive back. After that, 331 00:16:19,320 --> 00:16:22,280 Speaker 1: they moved over to their sub nickel package, so they 332 00:16:22,320 --> 00:16:24,800 Speaker 1: started with Corey Tumor as the other inside linebacker. They 333 00:16:24,800 --> 00:16:29,880 Speaker 1: shift over to Jermaine Whitehead with Josh Jones, um, Deonte Burton, 334 00:16:30,200 --> 00:16:32,760 Speaker 1: and Raven Green all down. That was the Packers defense. 335 00:16:32,840 --> 00:16:35,080 Speaker 1: When they went seven dbs or six dbs, they were 336 00:16:35,080 --> 00:16:38,240 Speaker 1: pretty much up if they were so It's just it is. 337 00:16:38,360 --> 00:16:41,320 Speaker 1: It's tough how things changed because I thought we saw 338 00:16:41,360 --> 00:16:43,920 Speaker 1: exactly what I was thinking we might see with Mike Petton, 339 00:16:43,960 --> 00:16:46,640 Speaker 1: and that we saw so many dbs early on, and 340 00:16:46,640 --> 00:16:48,960 Speaker 1: then they shifted a lot of base, a lot of 341 00:16:49,000 --> 00:16:51,440 Speaker 1: sub base where you have Mohammed Wilkerson playing a five 342 00:16:51,480 --> 00:16:54,600 Speaker 1: technique defensive end without an outside backer on his shoulder. 343 00:16:55,000 --> 00:16:58,600 Speaker 1: They made the right adjustments to to compensate for Delvin Coke, 344 00:16:58,600 --> 00:17:01,560 Speaker 1: who only had thirty eight rushing yards. It's just that 345 00:17:01,680 --> 00:17:03,800 Speaker 1: at the end of the day, I think with the 346 00:17:03,840 --> 00:17:06,320 Speaker 1: weather conditions and everything else that happened, and obviously trying 347 00:17:06,359 --> 00:17:10,240 Speaker 1: to fight back from the the callback interception. Um, those 348 00:17:10,240 --> 00:17:11,760 Speaker 1: are a lot of plays and it was pretty hot 349 00:17:11,760 --> 00:17:14,760 Speaker 1: for September Day. Agree in Green Bay. I think the guys, 350 00:17:15,080 --> 00:17:17,400 Speaker 1: when you look at that defense, played exceptional. I mean 351 00:17:17,400 --> 00:17:19,240 Speaker 1: in terms of giving it their full effort the whole way. 352 00:17:19,280 --> 00:17:22,240 Speaker 1: But I mean it's that's they basically played five quarters. Yeah, 353 00:17:22,240 --> 00:17:24,320 Speaker 1: that defense was clearly out of gas at the end 354 00:17:24,320 --> 00:17:26,760 Speaker 1: of the game. I thought Minnesota's defense was was just 355 00:17:26,840 --> 00:17:29,280 Speaker 1: as out of gas and in that respect, and you 356 00:17:29,320 --> 00:17:32,560 Speaker 1: know when I laid out all of the missed opportunities 357 00:17:32,600 --> 00:17:36,080 Speaker 1: for the Packers in my editorial after the game, whether 358 00:17:36,119 --> 00:17:38,720 Speaker 1: you want to look at the overtime possession second and 359 00:17:38,800 --> 00:17:42,120 Speaker 1: one from the thirty seven yard line, Rogers thinks he's 360 00:17:42,160 --> 00:17:44,159 Speaker 1: got a great call with the read kind of the 361 00:17:44,200 --> 00:17:47,520 Speaker 1: read option keep, but Jamal Williams is kind of trying 362 00:17:47,560 --> 00:17:49,600 Speaker 1: to grab the ball, doesn't know Rogers wants to pull 363 00:17:49,600 --> 00:17:53,359 Speaker 1: it back. It causes a fumble. Rogers recovers it, fortunately, 364 00:17:53,359 --> 00:17:55,680 Speaker 1: but you lose three yards. So you go from second 365 00:17:55,680 --> 00:17:57,720 Speaker 1: and one to third and four. Now you're kind of 366 00:17:57,760 --> 00:17:59,720 Speaker 1: out of fuel. Goal range, you need to get something 367 00:17:59,760 --> 00:18:02,800 Speaker 1: bad to give Mason Crosby another shot. You end up 368 00:18:02,800 --> 00:18:04,760 Speaker 1: taking a sack on third down and you have to punt, 369 00:18:04,800 --> 00:18:07,160 Speaker 1: which then leads to the Vikings getting their one last 370 00:18:07,160 --> 00:18:09,520 Speaker 1: shot at the field goal, which then was missed. But 371 00:18:09,600 --> 00:18:13,000 Speaker 1: the missed opportunities also started in the third quarter with 372 00:18:13,080 --> 00:18:16,679 Speaker 1: the Packers up seventeen to seven. They think they have 373 00:18:16,800 --> 00:18:19,600 Speaker 1: the touchdown to Jimmy Graham to put them up three scores, 374 00:18:20,040 --> 00:18:22,720 Speaker 1: which really was going to put the pressure on Minnesota. 375 00:18:22,800 --> 00:18:27,080 Speaker 1: You make this a three score deficit for them, but 376 00:18:27,320 --> 00:18:29,840 Speaker 1: the holding call on Lane Taylor calls that back and 377 00:18:29,880 --> 00:18:31,720 Speaker 1: then the Packers end up kicking a field goals, so 378 00:18:31,760 --> 00:18:34,720 Speaker 1: instead of twenty four to seven, seventeen points, it's twenty 379 00:18:34,960 --> 00:18:38,840 Speaker 1: seven thirteen points, just two touchdowns. The Packers never got 380 00:18:38,880 --> 00:18:41,560 Speaker 1: that three score lead, and uh and then in the 381 00:18:41,600 --> 00:18:44,080 Speaker 1: fourth quarter never got it back to that to score 382 00:18:44,080 --> 00:18:47,040 Speaker 1: advantage because they kept kicking field goals while the Vikings 383 00:18:47,040 --> 00:18:49,840 Speaker 1: were scoring touchdowns. Just a lot of a lot of 384 00:18:49,880 --> 00:18:52,560 Speaker 1: missed opportunities. And I asked Aaron Rodgers in his postgame 385 00:18:52,560 --> 00:18:55,760 Speaker 1: press conference, Okay, all of those field goal drives, you know, 386 00:18:55,880 --> 00:18:57,680 Speaker 1: was there any one of those where you walked off 387 00:18:57,680 --> 00:18:59,879 Speaker 1: the field and just said, man, that really really should 388 00:18:59,880 --> 00:19:01,919 Speaker 1: have in a touchdown. And he just said every single 389 00:19:01,960 --> 00:19:04,120 Speaker 1: one of them, you know, he just he he felt 390 00:19:04,200 --> 00:19:06,879 Speaker 1: like he felt like the Packers kind of gave this 391 00:19:06,880 --> 00:19:09,720 Speaker 1: one away because they couldn't finish drives. And as I said, 392 00:19:09,720 --> 00:19:12,879 Speaker 1: Minnesota's defense, you know, they are who they are, and 393 00:19:12,920 --> 00:19:14,960 Speaker 1: they have the rankings they have for a reason. But 394 00:19:15,040 --> 00:19:18,000 Speaker 1: the Packers had their chance. The positive thing and again 395 00:19:18,040 --> 00:19:20,320 Speaker 1: trying to pull silver lining from this was the Packers 396 00:19:20,359 --> 00:19:23,000 Speaker 1: locker room afterwards. As much as guys were disappointed about 397 00:19:23,000 --> 00:19:25,280 Speaker 1: the outcome, I didn't really see anybody that was demoralized. 398 00:19:25,320 --> 00:19:27,680 Speaker 1: I mean, Joyr Alexander was kind of almost laughing off 399 00:19:27,680 --> 00:19:29,680 Speaker 1: the fact that he got his interception called back. I mean, 400 00:19:30,119 --> 00:19:32,360 Speaker 1: just the amount of confidence that he has that, yeah, 401 00:19:32,359 --> 00:19:35,040 Speaker 1: I'll get another one. It's not a big deal. Uh. 402 00:19:35,119 --> 00:19:37,320 Speaker 1: He said, He's been there before and and that's what 403 00:19:37,440 --> 00:19:40,520 Speaker 1: happens on defense. You know. The game, and Tremon Williams, 404 00:19:40,520 --> 00:19:42,760 Speaker 1: as he always does, I think, summed it up best 405 00:19:42,920 --> 00:19:45,600 Speaker 1: better than anybody in saying that Packers are going to 406 00:19:45,680 --> 00:19:47,520 Speaker 1: have games like this down the stretch if they want to, 407 00:19:47,560 --> 00:19:49,440 Speaker 1: if they're gonna go where they think this team can 408 00:19:49,480 --> 00:19:53,280 Speaker 1: go this year. They're gonna have tightly contested matchups with 409 00:19:53,480 --> 00:19:56,840 Speaker 1: really high level opponents. And he believes how things ended 410 00:19:56,920 --> 00:19:59,200 Speaker 1: last week with the comeback against the Bears and then 411 00:19:59,240 --> 00:20:01,280 Speaker 1: how this game down to the wire where there really 412 00:20:01,320 --> 00:20:03,560 Speaker 1: was no you had no room for let up, you know, 413 00:20:03,640 --> 00:20:06,159 Speaker 1: for seventy minutes. He thinks that's something in the long 414 00:20:06,240 --> 00:20:08,040 Speaker 1: run is going to benefit them. Yeah. Well, we mentioned 415 00:20:08,080 --> 00:20:10,280 Speaker 1: the great play on the ball that Alexander made. The 416 00:20:10,320 --> 00:20:13,320 Speaker 1: other the other play that someone gets forgotten that you 417 00:20:13,359 --> 00:20:15,960 Speaker 1: know is a good sign for the Packers going forward 418 00:20:16,119 --> 00:20:18,800 Speaker 1: is the touchdown to Graham that was called back on 419 00:20:18,640 --> 00:20:22,520 Speaker 1: the tailor holding. That was an absolutely perfectly timed back shoulder, 420 00:20:22,880 --> 00:20:26,320 Speaker 1: almost indefensible play from the other side of the ball. 421 00:20:26,400 --> 00:20:28,359 Speaker 1: And uh, that's one of those we haven't seen the 422 00:20:28,440 --> 00:20:30,760 Speaker 1: last of that, No, And I asked Doronimo Allison about 423 00:20:30,760 --> 00:20:32,359 Speaker 1: that in the locker room afterwards, and he said, I mean, 424 00:20:32,440 --> 00:20:35,879 Speaker 1: Jimmy Graham has been so consistent throughout his career. He's 425 00:20:35,920 --> 00:20:38,880 Speaker 1: coming along. You're seeing him be able to really get 426 00:20:38,920 --> 00:20:42,160 Speaker 1: himself immersed in this offense. And there's gonna be games 427 00:20:42,160 --> 00:20:44,520 Speaker 1: where you know you're gonna be it's gonna be one guy. 428 00:20:44,560 --> 00:20:47,560 Speaker 1: It's gonna be his big game. But the Packers can see, 429 00:20:47,560 --> 00:20:49,160 Speaker 1: they've seen it in practice of their seat in games. 430 00:20:49,160 --> 00:20:50,640 Speaker 1: I mean, Jimmy Graham is gonna be a big part 431 00:20:50,640 --> 00:20:53,399 Speaker 1: of this offense. I think the wider viewing public got 432 00:20:53,480 --> 00:20:56,000 Speaker 1: a taste of that on Sunday afternoon. Yeah. Well, I 433 00:20:56,040 --> 00:20:58,200 Speaker 1: know we normally spend a portion of our Monday show 434 00:20:58,240 --> 00:21:00,320 Speaker 1: talking about the way things look around the lead. Let's 435 00:21:00,359 --> 00:21:03,000 Speaker 1: save that for Tuesday. We have the Bears in the 436 00:21:03,040 --> 00:21:06,080 Speaker 1: Seahawks playing Monday night football matchup in the NFC, so 437 00:21:06,480 --> 00:21:08,439 Speaker 1: we'll we'll carry that over. But the one thing I 438 00:21:08,480 --> 00:21:11,000 Speaker 1: will say is, as frustrated as Packers fans are about 439 00:21:11,000 --> 00:21:12,800 Speaker 1: the one oh and one and not being two and oh, 440 00:21:13,240 --> 00:21:14,960 Speaker 1: there are only two two and oh teams in the 441 00:21:15,080 --> 00:21:18,320 Speaker 1: NFC after two weeks. The Los Angeles Rams not a 442 00:21:18,359 --> 00:21:21,280 Speaker 1: surprise at two and oh, and the Tampa Bay Buccaneers 443 00:21:21,359 --> 00:21:23,800 Speaker 1: a huge surprise at two and oh. But everybody else 444 00:21:23,840 --> 00:21:26,600 Speaker 1: in the NFC, nobody else in the NFC, I should say, 445 00:21:26,800 --> 00:21:29,720 Speaker 1: has two victories after two weeks. So the Packers have 446 00:21:29,800 --> 00:21:32,479 Speaker 1: that going for And I'm gonna get your Ryan Fitzpatrick's 447 00:21:32,520 --> 00:21:34,960 Speaker 1: outfit as a Christmas gift. I want to see you 448 00:21:35,000 --> 00:21:37,000 Speaker 1: bring that to a postgame, said I was. I was 449 00:21:37,040 --> 00:21:39,280 Speaker 1: a year early on the Buccaneers. I was all bullish 450 00:21:39,320 --> 00:21:43,000 Speaker 1: on him in I forgot about him, and now here 451 00:21:43,040 --> 00:21:45,560 Speaker 1: they're lightening it up. Anyway, with that, we'll call it 452 00:21:45,600 --> 00:21:47,920 Speaker 1: a wrap on this edition of Packers Unscripted. Be sure 453 00:21:47,920 --> 00:21:50,240 Speaker 1: to follow all of our coverage of the team on 454 00:21:50,320 --> 00:21:52,720 Speaker 1: Packers dot com on Twitter. He's at west Hot I'm 455 00:21:52,720 --> 00:21:55,760 Speaker 1: at Mike Spofford at Packers for the team account. Thanks 456 00:21:55,800 --> 00:21:57,720 Speaker 1: for tuning in, everybody. We'll see you next time.