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Team forty seven with 9 00:00:26,120 --> 00:00:28,720 Speaker 2: Clay and Buck starts now. 10 00:00:29,400 --> 00:00:35,000 Speaker 1: These strikes on these lethal strikes on Narco terrorist boats 11 00:00:35,080 --> 00:00:35,920 Speaker 1: in the Caribbean. 12 00:00:36,400 --> 00:00:40,320 Speaker 2: Secretary of War Hegseeth addressed this just a moment ago. 13 00:00:40,440 --> 00:00:42,919 Speaker 2: We wanted to let you hear from him what's going 14 00:00:42,960 --> 00:00:44,160 Speaker 2: on play thirty three. 15 00:00:43,920 --> 00:00:46,120 Speaker 4: And then it's kidding after he going after Narco terras 16 00:00:46,159 --> 00:00:51,560 Speaker 4: and designated terrorist organizations in our own hemisphere. As I've said, 17 00:00:51,840 --> 00:00:56,200 Speaker 4: I'll say again, we've only just begun striking Narco boats 18 00:00:56,680 --> 00:01:00,000 Speaker 4: and putting Narco terraces at the bottom of the ocean 19 00:01:00,480 --> 00:01:03,800 Speaker 4: because they've been poisoning the American people, and Joe Biden 20 00:01:04,319 --> 00:01:05,920 Speaker 4: tried to approach it with kid gloves. 21 00:01:06,400 --> 00:01:07,839 Speaker 2: Now allow them to come across the border. 22 00:01:07,840 --> 00:01:11,880 Speaker 4: A cartels takeover community, twenty million people, hundreds of thousands 23 00:01:11,880 --> 00:01:15,160 Speaker 4: of Americans poisoned, and President Trump said, no, we're taking 24 00:01:15,160 --> 00:01:15,840 Speaker 4: the bluffs off. 25 00:01:16,080 --> 00:01:17,000 Speaker 2: We're taking the fight. 26 00:01:16,840 --> 00:01:18,800 Speaker 4: To these designated terror organizations. 27 00:01:19,040 --> 00:01:20,440 Speaker 2: And that's exactly what we're doing. 28 00:01:20,480 --> 00:01:23,240 Speaker 4: So we're stopping the drugs, we're striking the boats, we're 29 00:01:23,240 --> 00:01:26,280 Speaker 4: defeating narco terrorists, and we're standing to you. May say 30 00:01:26,280 --> 00:01:29,880 Speaker 4: one thing that drugs coming in through the same by 31 00:01:30,000 --> 00:01:32,840 Speaker 4: sea are down ninety one percent. 32 00:01:33,800 --> 00:01:35,440 Speaker 2: And I don't know who the nine percent is. 33 00:01:35,520 --> 00:01:38,360 Speaker 4: I'm not sure either circus, but down ninety one percent 34 00:01:38,480 --> 00:01:40,640 Speaker 4: by sea. We've had a bit of a pause because 35 00:01:40,680 --> 00:01:44,560 Speaker 4: it's hard to find boats to strike right now, which 36 00:01:44,600 --> 00:01:49,000 Speaker 4: is the entire point, right, deterrence has to matter, not arrested, 37 00:01:49,080 --> 00:01:51,680 Speaker 4: handover and then do it again, the rinse and repeat 38 00:01:51,680 --> 00:01:54,720 Speaker 4: approach of previous administrations. This is meant to get aft 39 00:01:54,840 --> 00:01:56,720 Speaker 4: after that approach. And I will just end by saying, 40 00:01:57,600 --> 00:02:00,560 Speaker 4: as President Trump always has our back. We always had 41 00:02:00,600 --> 00:02:03,680 Speaker 4: the back of our commanders who are making decisions in 42 00:02:03,720 --> 00:02:06,200 Speaker 4: difficult situations, and we do in this case and all 43 00:02:06,240 --> 00:02:06,920 Speaker 4: these strikes. 44 00:02:07,280 --> 00:02:09,080 Speaker 2: They're making judgment calls. 45 00:02:08,840 --> 00:02:12,040 Speaker 4: And ensuring that they defend the American people. They've done 46 00:02:12,080 --> 00:02:12,720 Speaker 4: the right things. 47 00:02:12,919 --> 00:02:15,400 Speaker 2: We'll keep doing that. And we had their Backsmitch Press, 48 00:02:15,480 --> 00:02:16,839 Speaker 2: good job, thank you very much. 49 00:02:18,040 --> 00:02:21,680 Speaker 1: So Clay, that's the latest that was just moments ago 50 00:02:22,280 --> 00:02:26,680 Speaker 1: from Secretary of warheaks at this cabinet meeting that they're holding. 51 00:02:27,200 --> 00:02:28,919 Speaker 1: And I would just say, first of all, isn't it 52 00:02:28,919 --> 00:02:30,880 Speaker 1: amazing when you just compare this This is a little 53 00:02:30,880 --> 00:02:35,800 Speaker 1: bit of a side note, but the transparency, the willingness 54 00:02:35,800 --> 00:02:38,160 Speaker 1: to face the media, to discuss directly with the American 55 00:02:38,160 --> 00:02:41,080 Speaker 1: people what's going on in this administration, compared to imagine 56 00:02:41,080 --> 00:02:43,080 Speaker 1: if it was just a random Tuesday and Joe Biden 57 00:02:43,400 --> 00:02:47,040 Speaker 1: had all his top people around unscripted, just taking questions 58 00:02:47,040 --> 00:02:49,120 Speaker 1: from the press, Clay, it would not have happened as 59 00:02:49,480 --> 00:02:50,960 Speaker 1: and we all know why he had dementia. They were 60 00:02:51,000 --> 00:02:52,799 Speaker 1: hiding him. The whole thing was a scam. The whole 61 00:02:52,800 --> 00:02:55,720 Speaker 1: Biden administration was a scam, unfortunately, a scam on all 62 00:02:55,760 --> 00:02:58,040 Speaker 1: the American people. And the stuff that's gone on with 63 00:02:58,040 --> 00:03:00,400 Speaker 1: the border as well as the mass importation of ental 64 00:03:00,800 --> 00:03:06,040 Speaker 1: was hugely and dramatically worsened by the Biden scam. But Clay, 65 00:03:06,880 --> 00:03:09,880 Speaker 1: right now, you know there's a lot of different polling 66 00:03:09,919 --> 00:03:11,960 Speaker 1: on this, and you could try to the way they 67 00:03:12,000 --> 00:03:16,720 Speaker 1: craft these questions. I think by and large Republicans are 68 00:03:17,160 --> 00:03:21,400 Speaker 1: supportive of strikes on narco terrorist boats. Democrats obviously or not. 69 00:03:21,560 --> 00:03:25,560 Speaker 1: That's not a surprise at all, and they're hoping that 70 00:03:25,639 --> 00:03:28,480 Speaker 1: they can find a way to create a wedge within 71 00:03:28,560 --> 00:03:30,240 Speaker 1: Trump supporters on this issue. 72 00:03:30,520 --> 00:03:31,680 Speaker 2: I don't think that's going to happen. 73 00:03:31,760 --> 00:03:34,280 Speaker 1: I think the regime change issue in Venezuela is where 74 00:03:34,280 --> 00:03:36,040 Speaker 1: things get a little stickier for MAGA. 75 00:03:36,880 --> 00:03:40,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's all connected. I do wonder again, 76 00:03:41,880 --> 00:03:45,680 Speaker 3: if this is on video, they are going to continue 77 00:03:45,720 --> 00:03:48,680 Speaker 3: to kind of chip away at the overall story, and 78 00:03:48,720 --> 00:03:50,680 Speaker 3: I would imagine we've seen a lot of the video 79 00:03:50,800 --> 00:03:56,960 Speaker 3: attacks released on the ships. My surmisal would be that 80 00:03:57,160 --> 00:04:01,880 Speaker 3: the story will become the boat was still operable, there 81 00:04:01,960 --> 00:04:05,840 Speaker 3: were there was a possibility that the drugs would continue 82 00:04:05,880 --> 00:04:10,120 Speaker 3: to be you know, conduited on that boat, and so 83 00:04:10,240 --> 00:04:12,920 Speaker 3: we ordered a second strike to end. 84 00:04:12,880 --> 00:04:16,720 Speaker 2: The feasibility of the boat's ability. 85 00:04:16,240 --> 00:04:18,360 Speaker 3: To do the job that is trying to do. That's 86 00:04:18,400 --> 00:04:20,839 Speaker 3: my bet as to what the story is going to be. 87 00:04:21,240 --> 00:04:24,599 Speaker 3: In other words, they're going to say the physical structure 88 00:04:24,680 --> 00:04:30,280 Speaker 3: itself was targeted for a second strike, not the potential survivors, 89 00:04:31,200 --> 00:04:33,960 Speaker 3: but I do think this is going to turn into 90 00:04:34,160 --> 00:04:36,599 Speaker 3: a I do think it's going to turn a story. 91 00:04:36,640 --> 00:04:36,839 Speaker 2: Now. 92 00:04:38,279 --> 00:04:41,560 Speaker 3: This also, I think goes on some level to who 93 00:04:41,760 --> 00:04:45,720 Speaker 3: Democrats are going to bat for. Remember our good buddy 94 00:04:46,080 --> 00:04:49,279 Speaker 3: kill maar A Brell Garcia, who they initially attempted to 95 00:04:49,360 --> 00:04:54,320 Speaker 3: make the face of Trump's deportation policy Maryland, Dad kill 96 00:04:54,360 --> 00:04:59,000 Speaker 3: maar A Breio Garcia. That story has vanished because I 97 00:04:59,040 --> 00:05:03,000 Speaker 3: think they recognize, yeah, this is not really the focal 98 00:05:03,080 --> 00:05:08,640 Speaker 3: point of a face to make people disagree with the policy. 99 00:05:09,600 --> 00:05:13,080 Speaker 3: I don't think narco terrorists in boats are going to 100 00:05:13,160 --> 00:05:17,279 Speaker 3: be particularly sympathetic plaintiffs. And when I use that for 101 00:05:17,320 --> 00:05:22,160 Speaker 3: a sympathetic plaintiffs, anybody out there who is a defense 102 00:05:22,200 --> 00:05:24,640 Speaker 3: attorney has experienced this. 103 00:05:25,279 --> 00:05:28,360 Speaker 2: When you file a lawsuit, you want to tell. 104 00:05:28,560 --> 00:05:33,480 Speaker 3: The best story of your lawsuit, frequently involving moms. 105 00:05:33,960 --> 00:05:34,120 Speaker 2: You know. 106 00:05:34,160 --> 00:05:38,200 Speaker 3: Ever, notice how kids who file lawsuits are always honorable students, 107 00:05:38,560 --> 00:05:44,520 Speaker 3: You know, like, oh, this poor, honorable student was just disrespected. 108 00:05:45,120 --> 00:05:46,240 Speaker 2: In a visual era. 109 00:05:46,839 --> 00:05:50,840 Speaker 3: Isn't it amazing how often pretty girls are you were 110 00:05:50,880 --> 00:05:54,279 Speaker 3: talking about this. This NYU student who became a victim 111 00:05:55,600 --> 00:05:57,520 Speaker 3: was attacked on the streets in New York city. 112 00:05:57,560 --> 00:05:58,599 Speaker 2: It's become a story. 113 00:05:59,040 --> 00:06:06,479 Speaker 3: These captivating stories because they're young, innocent, attractive people. They 114 00:06:06,600 --> 00:06:11,080 Speaker 3: grab attention in a way that is that is that 115 00:06:11,200 --> 00:06:13,600 Speaker 3: is captivating to many different people out there in the media. 116 00:06:13,640 --> 00:06:16,920 Speaker 3: I mean, you can say, remember the Idaho killers, those 117 00:06:17,000 --> 00:06:22,440 Speaker 3: young innocent kids, Moscow are Moscow rather Moscow, Ida outside 118 00:06:22,480 --> 00:06:25,360 Speaker 3: of the University of Idaho, Lake and Riley. I think 119 00:06:25,400 --> 00:06:27,680 Speaker 3: one reason that it cuts through the noise, she's a 120 00:06:27,720 --> 00:06:32,200 Speaker 3: young innocent college nursing student who is murdered by an 121 00:06:32,240 --> 00:06:36,719 Speaker 3: illegal immigrant. I think that it's hard to make people think, 122 00:06:36,920 --> 00:06:40,240 Speaker 3: you know, I'm really concerned about narco terrorists. 123 00:06:40,680 --> 00:06:40,800 Speaker 5: Uh. 124 00:06:41,040 --> 00:06:44,640 Speaker 3: So I think the challenge cutting through this noise is 125 00:06:45,200 --> 00:06:47,120 Speaker 3: uh and it goes both ways, right when you come 126 00:06:47,160 --> 00:06:48,840 Speaker 3: to these stories, because right now they're trying to make 127 00:06:48,839 --> 00:06:51,080 Speaker 3: a story Oh look at this nineteen year old college 128 00:06:51,080 --> 00:06:54,800 Speaker 3: student who was deported. Oh she can you believe this 129 00:06:54,839 --> 00:06:58,720 Speaker 3: is happening. They're trying to find a story that is 130 00:06:58,760 --> 00:07:03,040 Speaker 3: captivating young innocent people. Most people, I don't think see 131 00:07:03,120 --> 00:07:08,039 Speaker 3: narco boat captain pilots and their staff that are trying 132 00:07:08,040 --> 00:07:13,400 Speaker 3: to smuggle drugs into the country as particularly sympathetic plainiffs. 133 00:07:13,680 --> 00:07:18,200 Speaker 3: So I think that factors in here into how the 134 00:07:18,240 --> 00:07:19,600 Speaker 3: media is going to be able to cover it. 135 00:07:20,120 --> 00:07:22,800 Speaker 1: I'm sure the administration is more than a little bit 136 00:07:22,840 --> 00:07:26,040 Speaker 1: aware of this. But to your point, Clay, about the 137 00:07:26,080 --> 00:07:30,360 Speaker 1: public's perception of these strikes and how they're going as 138 00:07:30,400 --> 00:07:33,240 Speaker 1: long as we're getting narco terrorists, I think the administra 139 00:07:33,440 --> 00:07:37,040 Speaker 1: and we're certain of this. I think the administration is 140 00:07:37,080 --> 00:07:39,720 Speaker 1: going to certainly have support of a lot of Republicans 141 00:07:39,720 --> 00:07:41,960 Speaker 1: in this. They just got to make sure they don't 142 00:07:41,960 --> 00:07:44,440 Speaker 1: pull a Biden administration with what we saw in Afghanistan 143 00:07:44,560 --> 00:07:47,240 Speaker 1: where they blew up if I remember a dad and 144 00:07:47,360 --> 00:07:49,240 Speaker 1: seven kids in a course right that they said was 145 00:07:49,240 --> 00:07:53,320 Speaker 1: a suicide bomber's vehicle, and it was not seven children 146 00:07:53,440 --> 00:07:56,080 Speaker 1: they blew up. And that was after we lost marines 147 00:07:56,520 --> 00:08:00,640 Speaker 1: because of the haphazard and disastrous withdrawal of the Biden administration. 148 00:08:00,920 --> 00:08:04,280 Speaker 1: So we took losses, We lost our marines to enemy, 149 00:08:04,920 --> 00:08:07,520 Speaker 1: to an enemy attack, and then we blew up a 150 00:08:07,520 --> 00:08:10,760 Speaker 1: car full of children because the Biden administration was so 151 00:08:10,880 --> 00:08:13,000 Speaker 1: frantic to look like they had some idea of what 152 00:08:13,000 --> 00:08:16,080 Speaker 1: they were doing in response to us losing some of 153 00:08:16,120 --> 00:08:21,160 Speaker 1: our marines. In that earlier suicide bomber attack. So this 154 00:08:21,360 --> 00:08:24,800 Speaker 1: is this Look, this is we're talking about a war 155 00:08:24,840 --> 00:08:28,200 Speaker 1: on narco terrorist. This is high stake stuff. And I 156 00:08:28,240 --> 00:08:30,560 Speaker 1: know that the Secretary of Warhacks Death is very focused 157 00:08:30,560 --> 00:08:35,640 Speaker 1: in on this right now. It's clearly a political or 158 00:08:35,720 --> 00:08:40,000 Speaker 1: rather the Democrats see this as a political opportunity to 159 00:08:40,360 --> 00:08:43,440 Speaker 1: go after this administration. A lot of people weighing in 160 00:08:43,480 --> 00:08:46,880 Speaker 1: on this one, Clay. I mean, here's Senator Chris Coon's 161 00:08:46,920 --> 00:08:49,760 Speaker 1: Democrat obviously, who's trying to use this as an attack 162 00:08:50,559 --> 00:08:51,360 Speaker 1: Play cut five. 163 00:08:52,320 --> 00:08:55,240 Speaker 5: This incident that was just covered by the Washington Coast 164 00:08:55,320 --> 00:08:58,360 Speaker 5: in recent days suggests that a war crime may have 165 00:08:58,480 --> 00:09:02,359 Speaker 5: been committed, and I think Secretary Hegseeth likely. 166 00:09:02,120 --> 00:09:02,920 Speaker 2: Gave the order. 167 00:09:03,520 --> 00:09:07,280 Speaker 5: I know Admiral Bradley, he's the Socom commander. He came 168 00:09:07,400 --> 00:09:11,680 Speaker 5: up through the ranks. He is decorated, he's experienced, he seasoned, 169 00:09:11,920 --> 00:09:14,960 Speaker 5: he was one of the first Americans into Afghanistan after 170 00:09:15,080 --> 00:09:17,439 Speaker 5: nine to eleven. I'd be very surprised if he did 171 00:09:17,440 --> 00:09:21,480 Speaker 5: this on his own without direct support or a command 172 00:09:21,559 --> 00:09:22,520 Speaker 5: from the Secretary. 173 00:09:23,320 --> 00:09:25,440 Speaker 1: I'm why it's worth I think people hearing that is 174 00:09:25,480 --> 00:09:28,959 Speaker 1: just play. This is all about getting hegset. Yeah, there's 175 00:09:29,000 --> 00:09:31,280 Speaker 1: a get Hegseth operation for the Democrats in the media. 176 00:09:31,360 --> 00:09:35,280 Speaker 3: Now, well, look, the intent is not to UH, is 177 00:09:35,320 --> 00:09:37,560 Speaker 3: not to make the country better. The intent is to 178 00:09:37,559 --> 00:09:40,160 Speaker 3: get hegset And I think that's the key here that 179 00:09:40,200 --> 00:09:41,760 Speaker 3: we hit on to start the show. 180 00:09:42,120 --> 00:09:43,520 Speaker 2: Hegset is target one. 181 00:09:43,760 --> 00:09:47,080 Speaker 3: Target two right now is Cash Pttel, and they have 182 00:09:47,160 --> 00:09:51,920 Speaker 3: decided to focus all of their media attacks on that duo, 183 00:09:53,000 --> 00:09:57,160 Speaker 3: and frankly, most everybody else has been either ignored or unscathed. 184 00:09:57,280 --> 00:10:00,439 Speaker 3: You know, they tried, probably Pam Bondi. I would say 185 00:10:00,480 --> 00:10:02,760 Speaker 3: Buck is probably third on that list. We were talking 186 00:10:02,760 --> 00:10:05,440 Speaker 3: about the target list, but I would say to a 187 00:10:05,520 --> 00:10:09,000 Speaker 3: large extent, the Pam Bondi attacks, actually a lot of 188 00:10:09,080 --> 00:10:12,680 Speaker 3: them came from the right because of the ham handed 189 00:10:12,720 --> 00:10:15,960 Speaker 3: way they initially handled the Epstein when they brought the 190 00:10:16,000 --> 00:10:18,640 Speaker 3: influencers out and they had the briefing in the Epstein 191 00:10:18,679 --> 00:10:21,760 Speaker 3: files and everything else. So some of that fire on 192 00:10:22,200 --> 00:10:25,720 Speaker 3: Bondi came internally from the Republican Party. I think she's 193 00:10:25,720 --> 00:10:29,120 Speaker 3: probably third on the list of cabinet member attacks. But 194 00:10:29,280 --> 00:10:32,280 Speaker 3: clearly heg Seth from the moment he was nominated has 195 00:10:32,320 --> 00:10:35,079 Speaker 3: been target one, and Cash Bettel right now I think 196 00:10:35,160 --> 00:10:38,240 Speaker 3: is target two. I will tell you that Democrats, from 197 00:10:38,320 --> 00:10:41,080 Speaker 3: what I understand, Clay, one of the reasons Bondi is 198 00:10:41,080 --> 00:10:43,600 Speaker 3: not higher on their list is they don't view her 199 00:10:43,679 --> 00:10:47,280 Speaker 3: as as effective as some of these other I'm just 200 00:10:47,280 --> 00:10:50,200 Speaker 3: this is from a Democrat perspective. They know that Pete 201 00:10:50,559 --> 00:10:53,520 Speaker 3: can't handle the media, isn't going to back down align 202 00:10:53,559 --> 00:10:56,959 Speaker 3: with Trump. They know that Cash aligned with Trump, you know, 203 00:10:57,200 --> 00:11:00,480 Speaker 3: isn't going to back down for media pressure and is 204 00:11:00,520 --> 00:11:05,240 Speaker 3: trying reform or reform agenda there. I will say, we 205 00:11:05,280 --> 00:11:07,520 Speaker 3: do need to establish though, if we're gonna have people 206 00:11:07,520 --> 00:11:11,640 Speaker 3: from administration speaking on this issue. Okay, is it that 207 00:11:11,679 --> 00:11:15,520 Speaker 3: the boat was still we need to fact to be clear. 208 00:11:15,679 --> 00:11:17,880 Speaker 2: That's my We need to be clear. That's because it's 209 00:11:17,880 --> 00:11:18,480 Speaker 2: my argument. 210 00:11:18,720 --> 00:11:21,679 Speaker 1: I do think you have a very hard time if 211 00:11:21,679 --> 00:11:23,760 Speaker 1: you're if the argument is that this is a lethal 212 00:11:23,800 --> 00:11:26,680 Speaker 1: threat against the United States because they're designated narco terrorists 213 00:11:26,720 --> 00:11:28,920 Speaker 1: in a boat traveling to the US with fentil that's 214 00:11:28,920 --> 00:11:32,600 Speaker 1: going to kill people. Okay, that's the argument. They're operating 215 00:11:32,640 --> 00:11:36,640 Speaker 1: under presidential authority. Once the boat is disabled, there is 216 00:11:36,760 --> 00:11:39,600 Speaker 1: no longer any chance of those drugs making it to 217 00:11:39,640 --> 00:11:42,560 Speaker 1: the homeland and there and these men are not in 218 00:11:42,600 --> 00:11:46,160 Speaker 1: the fight. They are bobbing around in the water. I 219 00:11:46,720 --> 00:11:49,280 Speaker 1: do not think you can follow up with finish them off. 220 00:11:49,320 --> 00:11:50,839 Speaker 1: I do not think that that is covered in the 221 00:11:50,920 --> 00:11:54,760 Speaker 1: laws of war, the Geneva Conventions or ethics. So there 222 00:11:54,840 --> 00:11:56,880 Speaker 1: just needs to be cleared because I'm seeing people say, yeah, 223 00:11:56,880 --> 00:11:58,440 Speaker 1: if we have to hit them again, we hit them again. 224 00:11:59,120 --> 00:12:01,560 Speaker 1: I think that's wrong. And if you if you want 225 00:12:01,600 --> 00:12:03,840 Speaker 1: to check how this went in World War Two, the 226 00:12:03,920 --> 00:12:08,959 Speaker 1: Nazis infamously the U boat commanders would machine gun survivors, 227 00:12:09,360 --> 00:12:12,440 Speaker 1: including million people in the US Navy British Navy would 228 00:12:12,520 --> 00:12:15,440 Speaker 1: machine gun them in the water. They were brought up 229 00:12:15,440 --> 00:12:18,719 Speaker 1: on war crimes for that. They were not able to say, well, 230 00:12:18,840 --> 00:12:20,880 Speaker 1: you could still swim and maybe make it to shore 231 00:12:20,960 --> 00:12:22,800 Speaker 1: and then you could get back in the fight. So 232 00:12:22,840 --> 00:12:25,040 Speaker 1: we do need to have some clarity on where the 233 00:12:25,080 --> 00:12:29,000 Speaker 1: limits are here, which is why my argument is boat 234 00:12:29,120 --> 00:12:29,760 Speaker 1: is the target. 235 00:12:29,960 --> 00:12:33,360 Speaker 3: If I if I am lawyer Clay, who is representing 236 00:12:33,520 --> 00:12:38,199 Speaker 3: these individuals in a in an investigation, and look again, 237 00:12:38,240 --> 00:12:40,720 Speaker 3: this is where I come back to what is on tape, 238 00:12:40,920 --> 00:12:43,360 Speaker 3: what is on audio? What evidence is out there? We 239 00:12:43,400 --> 00:12:45,720 Speaker 3: haven't seen it fully at least to jump on your 240 00:12:45,400 --> 00:12:47,640 Speaker 3: on your on your lawyer Clay point there. You know 241 00:12:47,679 --> 00:12:50,880 Speaker 3: Clay from self defense perspective, and someone you know who 242 00:12:50,920 --> 00:12:53,160 Speaker 3: conceal carries here and does a fair amount of shooting 243 00:12:53,160 --> 00:12:55,480 Speaker 3: and spends time with the two a community in South Florida. 244 00:12:55,880 --> 00:12:58,560 Speaker 3: You always say stop the threat. 245 00:12:58,960 --> 00:13:01,160 Speaker 1: You say when you call if you have to defend 246 00:13:01,160 --> 00:13:03,959 Speaker 1: yourself with a firearm, you say, on the victim of 247 00:13:03,960 --> 00:13:06,840 Speaker 1: a crime, you know, here's my address company. You do 248 00:13:06,960 --> 00:13:09,800 Speaker 1: not say, Yeah, some guy came in. I shot him 249 00:13:10,040 --> 00:13:11,959 Speaker 1: and then he was making his way out of my house, 250 00:13:12,240 --> 00:13:14,240 Speaker 1: so I chased him on the front lawn. I put 251 00:13:14,280 --> 00:13:16,400 Speaker 1: two in the back of his head. You're going to 252 00:13:16,400 --> 00:13:19,120 Speaker 1: prison for a long time if you do that, as 253 00:13:19,120 --> 00:13:19,920 Speaker 1: you should. 254 00:13:20,200 --> 00:13:21,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's you know what I mean. There's there's a 255 00:13:21,480 --> 00:13:22,000 Speaker 2: difference there. 256 00:13:22,000 --> 00:13:24,960 Speaker 3: Are kicked his I kicked his gun away, and then 257 00:13:25,200 --> 00:13:27,880 Speaker 3: I put my gun up against his head and killed him. 258 00:13:28,200 --> 00:13:30,520 Speaker 3: Like that's not you know, at some point, when you 259 00:13:30,559 --> 00:13:34,199 Speaker 3: eliminate the threat, you're not allowed to continue to preer 260 00:13:34,720 --> 00:13:37,200 Speaker 3: more So, I'm just gonna say they ambunition the facts 261 00:13:37,240 --> 00:13:39,719 Speaker 3: to what Clay was saying. The facts are now, or 262 00:13:39,800 --> 00:13:42,320 Speaker 3: rather the facts that are being put forward are you know, 263 00:13:42,440 --> 00:13:44,199 Speaker 3: they did not do a follow up strike to finish 264 00:13:44,240 --> 00:13:44,880 Speaker 3: survivors off. 265 00:13:44,920 --> 00:13:46,960 Speaker 1: That order was not given. This what the Pentagon is saying. 266 00:13:46,960 --> 00:13:49,360 Speaker 1: That order was not given and the boat may still 267 00:13:49,360 --> 00:13:52,000 Speaker 1: have been, you know, capable of continuing. That's why the 268 00:13:52,000 --> 00:13:54,640 Speaker 1: second strike came. That all you could argue thing legally. 269 00:13:55,280 --> 00:13:57,160 Speaker 1: I do not think we want to hear people from 270 00:13:57,200 --> 00:14:00,480 Speaker 1: the pro Trump side of things saying there were a 271 00:14:00,480 --> 00:14:02,640 Speaker 1: couple of guys who had already been hit with a missile, 272 00:14:02,760 --> 00:14:04,240 Speaker 1: who are in the middle of the ocean or middle 273 00:14:04,240 --> 00:14:08,720 Speaker 1: of the Caribbean, clinging to refuse, and we hit him again. 274 00:14:08,800 --> 00:14:10,800 Speaker 1: By the way, I don't believe that that happened here. 275 00:14:10,840 --> 00:14:12,240 Speaker 1: I think this is a hit piece. I just want 276 00:14:12,280 --> 00:14:14,400 Speaker 1: to be clear. But there are people who are trying 277 00:14:14,480 --> 00:14:17,920 Speaker 1: to say that that would be lawful too, just because 278 00:14:17,920 --> 00:14:20,440 Speaker 1: they're on the team, so to speak. And I do 279 00:14:20,520 --> 00:14:22,200 Speaker 1: not think that's a good place to go because you're 280 00:14:22,200 --> 00:14:25,840 Speaker 1: opening yourself up to the other side saying you your defense, 281 00:14:25,840 --> 00:14:28,760 Speaker 1: you would you would even if a war crime wasn't committed. Clay, 282 00:14:29,160 --> 00:14:31,440 Speaker 1: we can which I don't believe it was. To be clear, 283 00:14:31,840 --> 00:14:35,600 Speaker 1: we cannot have pro Trump people argue in favor of 284 00:14:35,640 --> 00:14:38,320 Speaker 1: a clear war crime that's not a good idea either, right, 285 00:14:38,320 --> 00:14:41,760 Speaker 1: which is why clarity on this I think is so important. 286 00:14:43,200 --> 00:14:46,560 Speaker 2: You're listening to Team forty seven with Clay and Buck. 287 00:14:48,160 --> 00:14:55,800 Speaker 3: I understand the argument that, hey, I'm concerned about American authority, 288 00:14:55,920 --> 00:14:59,400 Speaker 3: I don't really understand it as it pertains to the 289 00:14:59,520 --> 00:15:03,040 Speaker 3: drug boat strikes in international waters. 290 00:15:03,760 --> 00:15:04,240 Speaker 2: And so. 291 00:15:06,120 --> 00:15:09,440 Speaker 3: Look, you can make that argument, but that doesn't seem 292 00:15:09,560 --> 00:15:11,960 Speaker 3: like something that I think is going to, pardon the 293 00:15:12,080 --> 00:15:15,520 Speaker 3: expression here, blow up in Trump's face, Linda and Florida. 294 00:15:15,560 --> 00:15:17,320 Speaker 3: You want to react, A lot of you want to react, 295 00:15:17,360 --> 00:15:19,880 Speaker 3: by the way, loaded lines right now. 296 00:15:20,880 --> 00:15:24,720 Speaker 6: Hi, I do, thank you guys. So for four years 297 00:15:24,880 --> 00:15:30,160 Speaker 6: I lived with Biden letting in twenty million illegals crossing 298 00:15:30,200 --> 00:15:35,320 Speaker 6: our border, illegally breaking our laws. And you know, and 299 00:15:35,360 --> 00:15:38,160 Speaker 6: everybody knew about it. The media knew about it. They 300 00:15:38,600 --> 00:15:42,240 Speaker 6: discussed it, but we didn't give it oxygen. Like we're 301 00:15:42,280 --> 00:15:46,720 Speaker 6: giving this narco terrorists two guys to twenty billion do 302 00:15:46,800 --> 00:15:50,160 Speaker 6: the map, okay, And all we do is we're browbeating 303 00:15:50,240 --> 00:15:56,120 Speaker 6: this two narco terrorists to death literally, and you know, 304 00:15:56,160 --> 00:15:59,440 Speaker 6: we just keep discussing it, and who cares about the 305 00:15:59,480 --> 00:16:02,680 Speaker 6: two guys in the water. They were bad guys, but 306 00:16:03,000 --> 00:16:04,560 Speaker 6: so were the twenty million. 307 00:16:04,600 --> 00:16:07,240 Speaker 3: That Okay, Linda, let me play. Let me play devil's 308 00:16:07,240 --> 00:16:13,000 Speaker 3: advocate here. If if it were to be reported and 309 00:16:13,040 --> 00:16:17,040 Speaker 3: confirmed that the Narco terrorists, which I agree are bad guys, 310 00:16:17,160 --> 00:16:20,880 Speaker 3: were floating in the water and we ordered a helicopter 311 00:16:21,080 --> 00:16:24,400 Speaker 3: to go in and to mow them down as they 312 00:16:24,440 --> 00:16:27,680 Speaker 3: floated in the water, you wouldn't have an issue with that. 313 00:16:29,520 --> 00:16:32,360 Speaker 6: I wouldn't have an issue with that at all, after 314 00:16:32,480 --> 00:16:34,680 Speaker 6: letting in twenty million illegals. 315 00:16:36,440 --> 00:16:40,000 Speaker 2: I have appreciate is that your granddaughter in the background. 316 00:16:40,080 --> 00:16:43,600 Speaker 6: There, no, no, no, I've got three dogs that are 317 00:16:43,640 --> 00:16:44,040 Speaker 6: laying on. 318 00:16:44,320 --> 00:16:47,680 Speaker 1: Oh okay, so I those dogs don't mess around. 319 00:16:47,680 --> 00:16:48,840 Speaker 2: Those are well behaved dogs. 320 00:16:49,840 --> 00:16:53,800 Speaker 3: I was gonna say, Linda, Linda is running in her 321 00:16:53,840 --> 00:16:56,720 Speaker 3: ship with a with a browbie. Thank you for the 322 00:16:56,760 --> 00:16:59,760 Speaker 3: call there. Look, that would be a crime. Okay, So 323 00:16:59,840 --> 00:17:03,640 Speaker 3: I appreciate that. If I had given the order, I 324 00:17:03,720 --> 00:17:07,960 Speaker 3: want Linda on my jury because I appreciate that she 325 00:17:08,160 --> 00:17:09,960 Speaker 3: is the Nathan Jess up there she. 326 00:17:11,480 --> 00:17:11,560 Speaker 5: Is. 327 00:17:12,640 --> 00:17:16,080 Speaker 2: You're damn right. I ordered the code to ed, So 328 00:17:16,119 --> 00:17:17,440 Speaker 2: thank you Linda for that call. 329 00:17:17,920 --> 00:17:21,199 Speaker 3: That would be illegal, That would be a violation, that 330 00:17:21,200 --> 00:17:25,520 Speaker 3: would be a war crime. So I don't think if 331 00:17:25,880 --> 00:17:29,640 Speaker 3: there were American soldiers floating around in the waters off 332 00:17:29,680 --> 00:17:34,840 Speaker 3: the shore of a foreign country and they ordered for 333 00:17:34,920 --> 00:17:40,000 Speaker 3: the American soldiers to be summarily executed or American citizens, 334 00:17:41,119 --> 00:17:42,760 Speaker 3: I think a lot of people would say, yeah, we 335 00:17:43,119 --> 00:17:45,400 Speaker 3: have an issue with that and it would be illegal. 336 00:17:45,760 --> 00:17:50,800 Speaker 2: That to me is not what occurred here. However, yes 337 00:17:51,040 --> 00:17:53,200 Speaker 2: it would be a war crime. In fact, it actually 338 00:17:53,240 --> 00:17:55,919 Speaker 2: would be there. There is even with really. 339 00:17:55,680 --> 00:17:59,280 Speaker 1: Bad people, and even if Trump is in charge, we 340 00:17:59,320 --> 00:18:01,320 Speaker 1: do need to underst then there is such a thing 341 00:18:01,960 --> 00:18:05,280 Speaker 1: as a war crime. We are saying one was not 342 00:18:05,480 --> 00:18:09,560 Speaker 1: committed here because they did not do anything wrong based 343 00:18:09,560 --> 00:18:10,440 Speaker 1: on the facts. 344 00:18:10,920 --> 00:18:13,199 Speaker 2: But to my point clan that I keep making of, 345 00:18:13,200 --> 00:18:14,200 Speaker 2: people need to understand. 346 00:18:14,359 --> 00:18:16,040 Speaker 1: We just had a caller who was like, I mean, 347 00:18:16,040 --> 00:18:17,560 Speaker 1: if we have the machine gun them in the water, 348 00:18:17,680 --> 00:18:18,320 Speaker 1: no big deal. 349 00:18:19,400 --> 00:18:22,959 Speaker 2: No, that's not good jury. 350 00:18:23,280 --> 00:18:26,840 Speaker 3: If I'm Colonel Jessup, I will say that is a 351 00:18:26,920 --> 00:18:29,399 Speaker 3: war crime. And for people out there who say, Okay, 352 00:18:29,400 --> 00:18:32,600 Speaker 3: this is not a big story, they are. I mean, 353 00:18:32,640 --> 00:18:38,359 Speaker 3: the lead story right now on MSNBC and CNN is 354 00:18:39,040 --> 00:18:43,320 Speaker 3: about the boat strikes. Now, I think the communication here 355 00:18:43,359 --> 00:18:46,840 Speaker 3: we should also mention. The Cabinet meeting live on Fox 356 00:18:46,920 --> 00:18:50,520 Speaker 3: News has been going on now Buck for nearly two hours, 357 00:18:51,040 --> 00:18:54,960 Speaker 3: so our entire show. Trump has been allowing his cabinet 358 00:18:54,960 --> 00:19:00,000 Speaker 3: members to field questions from everybody out there. Joe and four, 359 00:19:00,680 --> 00:19:05,919 Speaker 3: retired Air Force colonel, fighter pilot, what's your take on 360 00:19:06,000 --> 00:19:07,359 Speaker 3: the story so far as you can tell? 361 00:19:08,520 --> 00:19:11,760 Speaker 7: Hi, Well, first of all, I heard a previous callers say, 362 00:19:11,920 --> 00:19:16,400 Speaker 7: undeclared war, but we've been fighting the quote, Well, we've 363 00:19:16,400 --> 00:19:19,080 Speaker 7: not been fighting, but we've been participating in the quote 364 00:19:19,080 --> 00:19:22,919 Speaker 7: war on drugs for fifty years or so. Yeah, you know, 365 00:19:24,000 --> 00:19:25,840 Speaker 7: I came back from Vietnam. I flew one hundred and 366 00:19:25,880 --> 00:19:29,160 Speaker 7: fifty three combat missions over there in phantoms, came back 367 00:19:29,200 --> 00:19:31,399 Speaker 7: to Homestead Air Base, and then we would sit on 368 00:19:31,440 --> 00:19:35,280 Speaker 7: the air defense of alert pad and intercept drug airplanes 369 00:19:35,560 --> 00:19:38,640 Speaker 7: that were flying into our territory, many of which were 370 00:19:38,680 --> 00:19:44,200 Speaker 7: actually over the Everglades, over our dirt throwing out at 371 00:19:44,240 --> 00:19:48,359 Speaker 7: that time bales of marijuana, and we would try to 372 00:19:48,400 --> 00:19:50,760 Speaker 7: get the tail number of the airplane to identify them. 373 00:19:51,200 --> 00:19:54,600 Speaker 7: Sometimes these same guys would just fly in daytime and 374 00:19:54,720 --> 00:19:58,679 Speaker 7: that made it easy to identify the tail number. But 375 00:19:58,840 --> 00:20:01,360 Speaker 7: generally they would get rid of that airplane and move 376 00:20:01,359 --> 00:20:05,680 Speaker 7: on to something else that over time that progressed to 377 00:20:07,400 --> 00:20:10,440 Speaker 7: I was a F sixteen count operational test pilot where 378 00:20:10,600 --> 00:20:14,159 Speaker 7: I worked on the program to outfit the airplanes with 379 00:20:14,240 --> 00:20:17,040 Speaker 7: night vision goggles and then we could join on these 380 00:20:17,080 --> 00:20:20,600 Speaker 7: guys at night. Look at the guy, look at the load, 381 00:20:20,720 --> 00:20:25,000 Speaker 7: look at the airplane's tail number, hand them off to customs, 382 00:20:25,040 --> 00:20:30,040 Speaker 7: and that air bridge where they would fly drugs into 383 00:20:30,080 --> 00:20:35,320 Speaker 7: the country basically was reduced. I can't say shut down, 384 00:20:35,680 --> 00:20:37,200 Speaker 7: but it was greatly reduced. 385 00:20:37,480 --> 00:20:39,760 Speaker 3: And then let me ask you this, colonel, and thank 386 00:20:39,800 --> 00:20:41,200 Speaker 3: you for all the work that you did in the 387 00:20:41,200 --> 00:20:45,679 Speaker 3: Air Force, what would have happened if you had you know, 388 00:20:45,880 --> 00:20:49,280 Speaker 3: if you had ordered you shoot down one of those planes. 389 00:20:49,520 --> 00:20:53,000 Speaker 3: There are guys floating hanging on to the refuge of 390 00:20:53,080 --> 00:20:56,000 Speaker 3: the plane, and you said, we're going to go buy 391 00:20:56,040 --> 00:20:59,359 Speaker 3: for another pass. We want to machine gun those guys 392 00:20:59,440 --> 00:21:02,200 Speaker 3: in the water, holding on to the holding on to 393 00:21:02,320 --> 00:21:02,920 Speaker 3: the refuse. 394 00:21:05,600 --> 00:21:07,320 Speaker 7: Well, if I shot them down, I would do it 395 00:21:07,320 --> 00:21:09,240 Speaker 7: in such a way there'd be no survivors. 396 00:21:09,560 --> 00:21:12,760 Speaker 3: That's a great answer. But if and and by the way, uh, 397 00:21:12,920 --> 00:21:16,520 Speaker 3: I appreciate that answer. But if there were and you 398 00:21:16,640 --> 00:21:18,960 Speaker 3: said We're gonna go by, and I want you to 399 00:21:19,080 --> 00:21:21,960 Speaker 3: lean out my tail gunner here or whoever's with you, 400 00:21:22,280 --> 00:21:25,720 Speaker 3: and I want you to pick off those survivors. And 401 00:21:25,760 --> 00:21:28,359 Speaker 3: it later came out that you had done that. Do 402 00:21:28,400 --> 00:21:30,360 Speaker 3: you think you would have had the ability to make 403 00:21:30,400 --> 00:21:32,080 Speaker 3: that decision legally? 404 00:21:34,760 --> 00:21:38,199 Speaker 7: You know, I would like it. Let me put on 405 00:21:38,240 --> 00:21:40,440 Speaker 7: my colonel sat now. I was about to have the 406 00:21:40,520 --> 00:21:45,600 Speaker 7: survivors from an intel standpoint, Yeah, talking guys about why 407 00:21:45,600 --> 00:21:47,600 Speaker 7: are you still doing this? What are they doing to 408 00:21:47,760 --> 00:21:51,240 Speaker 7: motivate you to go out and risk your lives because 409 00:21:51,280 --> 00:21:55,320 Speaker 7: you know you're stand a good chance of dying. I'm 410 00:21:55,359 --> 00:21:57,000 Speaker 7: not a Navy guy. I'm an Air Force guy, but 411 00:21:57,040 --> 00:22:00,040 Speaker 7: I'm a top gun graduate. So I do want to 412 00:22:00,119 --> 00:22:02,840 Speaker 7: make the bad guys go away and pay for their crimes. 413 00:22:03,960 --> 00:22:07,679 Speaker 7: You know, in Vietnam, I had a guy on the 414 00:22:07,680 --> 00:22:10,320 Speaker 7: Mekong River shoot at me as I flew by him, 415 00:22:10,720 --> 00:22:15,119 Speaker 7: and so I went back and he and I discussed 416 00:22:15,359 --> 00:22:18,399 Speaker 7: the merits of twenty milimeters versus a K forty seven, 417 00:22:19,080 --> 00:22:24,159 Speaker 7: and he was not a happy camper. Yeah, you know, 418 00:22:24,480 --> 00:22:26,840 Speaker 7: as far as the Navy rules of engagement in the 419 00:22:26,880 --> 00:22:29,720 Speaker 7: international rules, I hate to admit it, but I'm pretty 420 00:22:29,760 --> 00:22:30,600 Speaker 7: much clueless on that. 421 00:22:31,160 --> 00:22:32,680 Speaker 3: Thank you for the call, and thank you for all 422 00:22:32,680 --> 00:22:35,639 Speaker 3: the service, and I'd love that the number of people 423 00:22:35,640 --> 00:22:38,560 Speaker 3: we have listening to the best call callers are awesome, 424 00:22:38,960 --> 00:22:43,919 Speaker 3: kiddy top gun pilots who flew and look, I'd like 425 00:22:44,000 --> 00:22:49,080 Speaker 3: to have Linda on my jury in this situation, but 426 00:22:49,560 --> 00:22:51,360 Speaker 3: you have to make this story. 427 00:22:51,480 --> 00:22:53,439 Speaker 2: Look, here's what I think is if you want me 428 00:22:53,520 --> 00:22:56,640 Speaker 2: to say play, I appreciate what Linda saying. 429 00:22:56,880 --> 00:22:59,200 Speaker 1: Linda wants to go full Genghis Khan on the enemies 430 00:22:59,200 --> 00:23:03,080 Speaker 1: of civilization, and I get that, but there's challenges. 431 00:23:03,160 --> 00:23:06,119 Speaker 3: Linda is not is not a crazy cat lady for 432 00:23:06,200 --> 00:23:09,720 Speaker 3: Kamala Harris, I feel very competent. I would like Linda 433 00:23:09,760 --> 00:23:12,600 Speaker 3: in my foxhole with me. Let me say this. I 434 00:23:12,680 --> 00:23:16,440 Speaker 3: think really what this represents. I love the call where 435 00:23:16,440 --> 00:23:18,639 Speaker 3: he said, hey, I'm not going to leave any survivors. 436 00:23:18,720 --> 00:23:18,880 Speaker 5: Right. 437 00:23:19,680 --> 00:23:20,800 Speaker 2: They don't want. 438 00:23:20,560 --> 00:23:24,720 Speaker 3: To have to rescue these guys because if they rescue 439 00:23:24,760 --> 00:23:28,000 Speaker 3: them and bring them in as combatants, they can challenge 440 00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:30,040 Speaker 3: the policy in court. 441 00:23:30,200 --> 00:23:32,439 Speaker 2: And I think by the way I think they go 442 00:23:32,480 --> 00:23:35,080 Speaker 2: to play it. Do they go to Gitmo? Where do 443 00:23:35,119 --> 00:23:36,960 Speaker 2: they go? It's a great question. Where do we put 444 00:23:36,960 --> 00:23:37,880 Speaker 2: them that's right. 445 00:23:39,280 --> 00:23:42,040 Speaker 1: I think maybe the answer, although you know, we've been 446 00:23:42,080 --> 00:23:44,199 Speaker 1: trying to shut GITMO down, but we can't shut it 447 00:23:44,280 --> 00:23:46,280 Speaker 1: down because that's war on terror stuff. 448 00:23:46,760 --> 00:23:52,119 Speaker 3: Look, we can't even execute the nine to eleven terrorists. 449 00:23:52,560 --> 00:23:54,440 Speaker 3: You know, they still you know this, We've talked about 450 00:23:54,440 --> 00:23:57,360 Speaker 3: it with some They haven't even been able to prosecute 451 00:23:57,400 --> 00:24:00,680 Speaker 3: the guys who were in GETMO because they're worried about 452 00:24:00,720 --> 00:24:04,679 Speaker 3: the interrogation tactics that were used on them, such that 453 00:24:04,760 --> 00:24:07,000 Speaker 3: I don't even know what the absolute latest on that 454 00:24:07,119 --> 00:24:10,040 Speaker 3: story was, but it was, Hey, we're not going to 455 00:24:10,119 --> 00:24:13,119 Speaker 3: go for the death penalty. They're gonna admit complicity in 456 00:24:13,240 --> 00:24:17,600 Speaker 3: all of the deaths. It's been two twenty four years 457 00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:20,639 Speaker 3: since nine to eleven, and those guys are still living 458 00:24:21,080 --> 00:24:27,120 Speaker 3: in relative comfort now in Cuba and we can't even 459 00:24:27,160 --> 00:24:31,680 Speaker 3: prosecute them. So I guarantee you they do not want 460 00:24:31,680 --> 00:24:34,840 Speaker 3: to have these guys in possession for the next twenty years. 461 00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:37,320 Speaker 3: So when they said again they should do a better 462 00:24:37,400 --> 00:24:40,399 Speaker 3: job of communicating on this. But when they said finish 463 00:24:40,480 --> 00:24:44,199 Speaker 3: them off, they meant the boat. That's the legal argument, 464 00:24:44,600 --> 00:24:46,359 Speaker 3: and they wanted to make sure that the boat was 465 00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:49,040 Speaker 3: not able to continue its mission to deliver drugs to 466 00:24:49,080 --> 00:24:52,600 Speaker 3: the country. The Team forty seven podcast is sponsored by 467 00:24:52,760 --> 00:24:54,040 Speaker 3: Good Ranchers. 468 00:24:53,680 --> 00:24:58,720 Speaker 2: Making the American Farm Strong Again. You're listening to Team 469 00:24:58,800 --> 00:25:00,760 Speaker 2: forty seven with Playing Buck. 470 00:25:03,240 --> 00:25:06,200 Speaker 1: The implications of this, first of all, aren't just about 471 00:25:06,320 --> 00:25:09,240 Speaker 1: the attempts to undermine an attack headset and with him 472 00:25:09,240 --> 00:25:13,920 Speaker 1: this administration. There's also this issue of what this does 473 00:25:13,960 --> 00:25:19,560 Speaker 1: to Venezuela, and increasingly we have what seems to be 474 00:25:20,040 --> 00:25:25,760 Speaker 1: a de facto regime change policy in place. Now, regime 475 00:25:25,880 --> 00:25:29,679 Speaker 1: change in nation building are not necessarily things that go 476 00:25:29,800 --> 00:25:33,760 Speaker 1: hand in hand, but they often do, and so this 477 00:25:33,840 --> 00:25:36,679 Speaker 1: is going to start to bring up some very important 478 00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:39,240 Speaker 1: and difficult conversations. I think if Maduro goes. But here 479 00:25:39,280 --> 00:25:43,359 Speaker 1: we have Secretary Hegset just moments ago getting into the 480 00:25:43,440 --> 00:25:46,800 Speaker 1: details of this strike that has been widely reported on 481 00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:48,720 Speaker 1: Let's listen to the Secretary of War. 482 00:25:48,960 --> 00:25:51,560 Speaker 4: I didn't stick around for the hour and two hours 483 00:25:51,640 --> 00:25:55,800 Speaker 4: whatever where all the sensitive side exploitation digitally occurs, so 484 00:25:55,840 --> 00:25:57,639 Speaker 4: I moved on to my next meeting. A couple of 485 00:25:57,720 --> 00:26:00,080 Speaker 4: hours later, I learned that that commander had made. 486 00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:02,399 Speaker 5: Which he had the complete authority to do. 487 00:26:03,119 --> 00:26:05,520 Speaker 4: And by the way, Edward Bradley made the correct decision 488 00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:09,040 Speaker 4: to ultimately sink the boat and eliminate the threat. He 489 00:26:09,080 --> 00:26:13,720 Speaker 4: sunk the boat, sunk the boat and eliminated the threat. 490 00:26:13,760 --> 00:26:16,639 Speaker 2: And he was the right call. We have his back 491 00:26:17,040 --> 00:26:17,720 Speaker 2: and the. 492 00:26:17,640 --> 00:26:21,440 Speaker 4: American people are safer because narco terrorists. No, you can't 493 00:26:22,040 --> 00:26:25,560 Speaker 4: bring drugs through the water and eventually on land if necessary, 494 00:26:25,680 --> 00:26:27,880 Speaker 4: I have to do to the American people. We will 495 00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:30,239 Speaker 4: eliminate that threat, and we're proud to do it. 496 00:26:30,280 --> 00:26:32,880 Speaker 2: So you didn't see any survivors the Compleader. 497 00:26:32,520 --> 00:26:36,600 Speaker 4: After that first run. I did not personally see survivors, 498 00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:39,200 Speaker 4: but I stand because the thing was on fire. 499 00:26:39,640 --> 00:26:41,359 Speaker 2: I was exploded in fire smoke. 500 00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:42,720 Speaker 4: You can't see anything you got digital. 501 00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:44,520 Speaker 2: There's this is called the fog of war. 502 00:26:44,840 --> 00:26:48,080 Speaker 4: This is what you and the press don't understand. You 503 00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:50,680 Speaker 4: sit in your conditioned offices, you're up on Capitol Hill 504 00:26:50,720 --> 00:26:53,679 Speaker 4: and you knit pick and you plant fake stories in 505 00:26:53,720 --> 00:26:57,600 Speaker 4: the Washington Post about kill everybody, phrases on anonymous sources, 506 00:26:57,680 --> 00:27:00,880 Speaker 4: not based in anything, not based in any truth at all, 507 00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:04,359 Speaker 4: and then you want to throw really irresponsible terms about 508 00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:07,080 Speaker 4: American heroes, about the judgment that they made. 509 00:27:07,600 --> 00:27:09,080 Speaker 2: I wrote a whole book on this topic. 510 00:27:09,359 --> 00:27:12,200 Speaker 4: Because of what politicians and the press does to warfighters. 511 00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:16,800 Speaker 4: President Trump is empowered commanders, commanders to do what is necessary, 512 00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:19,159 Speaker 4: which is dark and difficult things in the dead of 513 00:27:19,280 --> 00:27:22,359 Speaker 4: night on half of the American people. We support them, 514 00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:23,520 Speaker 4: and we will stop. 515 00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:26,720 Speaker 2: The poisoning of the American people. Okay, that's a better answer. 516 00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:29,960 Speaker 3: I still think, and this is the lawyer in me, buck, 517 00:27:30,520 --> 00:27:35,119 Speaker 3: I want a clear, concise, direct description of. 518 00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:36,320 Speaker 2: What the admiral did. 519 00:27:37,280 --> 00:27:39,440 Speaker 3: And it may be the case that they haven't talked 520 00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:42,480 Speaker 3: in detail about this decision, but that would help to 521 00:27:42,760 --> 00:27:44,960 Speaker 3: end this story, I believe once and for all. 522 00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:49,040 Speaker 1: It's hard to sound objective talking about Pete because you 523 00:27:49,080 --> 00:27:52,240 Speaker 1: and I both know Pete and or we're personally friends 524 00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:52,720 Speaker 1: with Pete. 525 00:27:53,040 --> 00:27:55,160 Speaker 2: I've known Pete now for almost fifteen years. 526 00:27:55,840 --> 00:28:00,280 Speaker 1: So I just I say that because I think we 527 00:28:00,359 --> 00:28:03,480 Speaker 1: need to be honest about where we come from, especially 528 00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:05,080 Speaker 1: talking with some of these public figures who we know 529 00:28:05,119 --> 00:28:08,080 Speaker 1: on a personal level. And I know Pete loves the country, 530 00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:10,879 Speaker 1: and I know he loves the war fighters in the 531 00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:16,760 Speaker 1: United States military like his own family, and so I 532 00:28:16,800 --> 00:28:19,239 Speaker 1: bring all of that to this discussion too, all right. 533 00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:24,080 Speaker 1: That said, I think that the problem that he's running 534 00:28:24,119 --> 00:28:25,760 Speaker 1: into here a little bit, Clay is when you start 535 00:28:25,800 --> 00:28:29,000 Speaker 1: to say things again, I'm looking at this like the 536 00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:32,200 Speaker 1: enemy here in the media, which he's addressing very clearly. 537 00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:33,760 Speaker 1: He's saying, you guys are a bunch of jerks that 538 00:28:33,760 --> 00:28:36,560 Speaker 1: don't understand anything. But when he says things like fog 539 00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:40,479 Speaker 1: of war, that they're going to take that now and 540 00:28:40,520 --> 00:28:42,920 Speaker 1: say so you don't know if there were survivors or not, 541 00:28:44,040 --> 00:28:46,000 Speaker 1: that's what they're That's the next stage. 542 00:28:46,120 --> 00:28:46,320 Speaker 2: Now. 543 00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:49,720 Speaker 1: I think in this process it went from the order 544 00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:53,240 Speaker 1: to kill survivors to now you're saying fog of war again. 545 00:28:53,720 --> 00:28:56,800 Speaker 1: I understand from the very beginnings you need to call 546 00:28:56,840 --> 00:28:58,560 Speaker 1: in and say what he did is totally lawful. I 547 00:28:58,600 --> 00:29:02,520 Speaker 1: believe that Pete Hegseth and the jaysok here Joint Special 548 00:29:02,520 --> 00:29:06,120 Speaker 1: Operations Command. I think they operated in a lawful fashion. 549 00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:08,840 Speaker 1: I am just saying the way this is turning into 550 00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:14,520 Speaker 1: a story is leaving bits of daylight here with the 551 00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:19,160 Speaker 1: facts as presented, the narrative as constructed from the top 552 00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:22,520 Speaker 1: of the of the Pentagon hierarchy. And when you say 553 00:29:22,520 --> 00:29:24,840 Speaker 1: things like, you know, fog of war, I get it. 554 00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:28,360 Speaker 1: I know what he's saying. But they're going to say, so, 555 00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:30,160 Speaker 1: you don't even know if there were you know, there 556 00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:32,479 Speaker 1: was smoke. You know, there could have been survivors. You know, 557 00:29:32,560 --> 00:29:35,080 Speaker 1: this is the next this is the next phase of it. 558 00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:36,480 Speaker 1: I think totally. 559 00:29:36,760 --> 00:29:39,080 Speaker 3: And this is why I say, and this is me 560 00:29:39,160 --> 00:29:40,400 Speaker 3: speaking as a. 561 00:29:40,520 --> 00:29:43,280 Speaker 2: Former criminal defense attorney. 562 00:29:43,360 --> 00:29:46,320 Speaker 3: Your story has to be consistent, and you have to 563 00:29:46,320 --> 00:29:48,640 Speaker 3: stick to it, and you have to put it out there, 564 00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:52,080 Speaker 3: and it has to be ironclad in terms of you 565 00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:53,720 Speaker 3: being able to prove what. 566 00:29:53,760 --> 00:29:54,719 Speaker 2: Exactly it is. 567 00:29:56,280 --> 00:30:00,640 Speaker 3: And I just think the story of we had to 568 00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:02,960 Speaker 3: hit the boat a second time because it had not 569 00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:07,600 Speaker 3: been completely obliterated and there were still drugs there, and 570 00:30:07,640 --> 00:30:09,960 Speaker 3: they could have brought another boat in and gotten those 571 00:30:10,040 --> 00:30:11,800 Speaker 3: drugs off, and they could have still come to the 572 00:30:11,920 --> 00:30:15,400 Speaker 3: United States. The purpose of the mission was to ensure 573 00:30:15,520 --> 00:30:19,200 Speaker 3: that that boat is completely obliterated and there are no 574 00:30:19,320 --> 00:30:22,240 Speaker 3: drugs that survived the attack. The first attack it did, 575 00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:24,960 Speaker 3: we put in a second one. That's what happened. I 576 00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:27,560 Speaker 3: don't know anything about the people that were on the boat. Frankly, 577 00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:30,400 Speaker 3: I don't care about them, because they were terrorists trying 578 00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:33,120 Speaker 3: to kill people in the United States. They may have survived, 579 00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:34,800 Speaker 3: they may not have but I know that boat didn't 580 00:30:34,840 --> 00:30:37,400 Speaker 3: and the drugs are gone. That's my answer. That's a 581 00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:40,600 Speaker 3: pretty good one. I wish it had been given. Yeah, 582 00:30:40,680 --> 00:30:41,920 Speaker 3: I stoped the threat. 583 00:30:42,680 --> 00:30:44,800 Speaker 1: This is a threat that's identified, a threat that we 584 00:30:44,840 --> 00:30:48,480 Speaker 1: can lawfully use the United States military to address. And 585 00:30:49,120 --> 00:30:52,200 Speaker 1: Secretary of War heeg Seth and those below him in 586 00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:54,320 Speaker 1: the chain of command who were directly involved in the strike, 587 00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:57,760 Speaker 1: they were operating to stop the threat against the American people. 588 00:30:58,200 --> 00:31:01,040 Speaker 1: And if two missiles is what are to stop the threat, 589 00:31:01,040 --> 00:31:03,680 Speaker 1: and that is what it required. But this is why 590 00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:08,080 Speaker 1: again you know, the specificity of the same thing in 591 00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:11,080 Speaker 1: a self defense case, if somebody came at me clay 592 00:31:11,080 --> 00:31:13,280 Speaker 1: in my own home, which would be a very bad 593 00:31:13,320 --> 00:31:14,840 Speaker 1: idea because I do have a lot of guns here 594 00:31:14,840 --> 00:31:15,920 Speaker 1: and I am pretty trained. 595 00:31:15,680 --> 00:31:16,280 Speaker 2: Up these days. 596 00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:18,080 Speaker 1: But if somebody came at me in my own home 597 00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:20,680 Speaker 1: and I put one in him, and then they say, well, 598 00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:24,200 Speaker 1: why did you why did you actually unload your whole 599 00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:26,880 Speaker 1: magazine into this person who's coming at you, let's say, 600 00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:28,880 Speaker 1: with a knife or something, I would say because in 601 00:31:28,920 --> 00:31:30,560 Speaker 1: the moment, that's what I believe to stop the threat 602 00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:34,640 Speaker 1: against my life. That's the answer. Yes, right, it doesn't 603 00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:37,320 Speaker 1: whether it's one bullet or ten bullets. I acted to 604 00:31:37,320 --> 00:31:40,560 Speaker 1: stop the threat against me and my family. What you 605 00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:42,200 Speaker 1: don't want to get into is, well, I hit him 606 00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:44,840 Speaker 1: five times, but then I thought, you know what, I 607 00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:46,720 Speaker 1: got to get some headshots in here to make sure 608 00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:49,040 Speaker 1: he's not moving anymore. You don't want to, in a 609 00:31:49,080 --> 00:31:55,160 Speaker 1: self defense situation say anything like that. This is those 610 00:31:55,160 --> 00:31:56,560 Speaker 1: of you. You don't have to know law of war 611 00:31:56,680 --> 00:31:59,480 Speaker 1: necessarily to understand how this. When you're talking about use 612 00:31:59,520 --> 00:32:02,200 Speaker 1: of force, you've got to be very specific about why 613 00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:05,240 Speaker 1: you're using that force. And I've sat through the classes. 614 00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:07,800 Speaker 1: I've sat through the discussion we had this in the CIA. 615 00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:10,240 Speaker 1: We had to have conversations about lethal force. Right, This 616 00:32:10,320 --> 00:32:14,680 Speaker 1: is you have to understand what the framework is. We're 617 00:32:14,760 --> 00:32:17,680 Speaker 1: using violence against another human being. 618 00:32:17,760 --> 00:32:22,000 Speaker 3: Always, the threat wasn't eliminated with the first strike, so 619 00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:24,640 Speaker 3: we had to have a second strike to eliminate the threat. 620 00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:28,120 Speaker 3: This is not very complicated. But again, when they start 621 00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:32,080 Speaker 3: nitpicking at you, I appreciate the fact that Pete recognizes 622 00:32:32,120 --> 00:32:35,320 Speaker 3: he's the target here. Somebody I think this is important, 623 00:32:35,800 --> 00:32:40,160 Speaker 3: leaked probably very classified information to a large extent to 624 00:32:40,280 --> 00:32:43,600 Speaker 3: the Washington Post, which may or may not be accurate, 625 00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:48,560 Speaker 3: but somebody obviously has Pete as the target here. They're 626 00:32:48,560 --> 00:32:52,520 Speaker 3: attempting to come after him, the admiral and the President. 627 00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:58,280 Speaker 3: I mean, their intent here matters, and so again I 628 00:32:58,320 --> 00:33:01,720 Speaker 3: think you have to eliminate this story to the best 629 00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:02,280 Speaker 3: of your ability.