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Speaker 1: Previously on Queen of the con nearly ten million dollars

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Speaker 2: Peggy is arrested and charged with federal crimes for stealing

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Speaker 3: So I gave her money, a total of twenty five

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Speaker 2: But before a federal judge sentences her, he wants an explanation.

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Speaker 4: He seemed like, you have so many skills, so much experience.

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Speaker 4: Why was it necessary to do this? Was it simply

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Speaker 3: No, your honor, Can I explain something.

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Speaker 2: I'm Jonathan Walton and this is Queen of the Khan

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Speaker 2: the Athlete Whisperer, episode six. They know where the money went.

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Speaker 4: I'm going to suspend judgment until the end of the

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Speaker 5: Say, miss Walford, Yes, your honor, please go ahead.

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Speaker 2: It's the morning of November seventh, twenty eighteen, at a

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Speaker 5: I wanted to say that I accept full responsibility and

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Speaker 2: We're going to get into Peggy's alleged mania diagnosis later

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Speaker 2: in this episode, but for now, let's let her finish.

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Speaker 5: I had a lot of tragedy going on in my

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Speaker 3: It started very early on.

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Speaker 5: My first husband actually died in a plane crash.

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Speaker 2: So this is misleading. Peggy was actually separated for five

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Speaker 5: And then my brother died in nineteen ninety five with

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Speaker 3: He was murdered in New Orleans on the sidewalk of

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Speaker 5: My mother died five years almost to the day that

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Speaker 3: He had to have extensive surgery.

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Speaker 2: Peggy is clearly hoping to leverage the tragedies in her

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Speaker 5: I feel like I have done things that are wrong.

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Speaker 5: I didn't do it maliciously. I didn't do it intentionally.

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Speaker 5: It was something that just got sp I rowed out

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Speaker 3: And I take full responsibility one hundred percent.

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Speaker 5: But I promise you there are things that you're going

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Speaker 5: to hear today that I did not do. But there

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Speaker 5: Ricky was like a brother, and the Hilliards I wasn't

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Speaker 5: I've known Travis since probably the early nineties and his

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Speaker 4: I appreciate your candor, I really do.

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Speaker 6: Thank you very much.

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Speaker 3: You're welcome your honor.

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Speaker 2: Now Peggy wants to add something else to her statement,

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Speaker 2: a rebuttal. If you recall when Kristin Williams said publicly.

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Speaker 1: We realized that we're paying for Peggy's lavish lifestyle, the Bentley, Rolls, Royce,

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Speaker 2: Well, according to Peggy, that's just not true.

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Speaker 3: You know what. I know, they painted a really ugly picture.

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Speaker 5: But I was actually married to an anesthesiologist during that time.

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Speaker 3: I was married to an orthodontist.

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Speaker 5: Those cars, a Rose Royce, ghost and all of that

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Speaker 5: that was not in my name. That was in their names, Amasarati,

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Speaker 5: They're making it seem like I didn't have You know

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Speaker 3: I just wanted you to know that.

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Speaker 2: At this point, the Houston Federal prosecutor can't believe what

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Speaker 7: Your honor may speak to that.

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Speaker 8: Yes, yes, we have segregated out the money's those people

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Speaker 8: she married him before she divorced the other doctor. She

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Speaker 8: wasn't really married to her until he went to divorce

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Speaker 3: That's not true.

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Speaker 2: I mean, if you're the judge, who are you going

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Speaker 9: This offense expanded over a period of several years, resulting

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Speaker 9: She also has a pending felony case in New Orleans

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Speaker 2: Fraud that New Orleans fraud case is for scamming that

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Speaker 2: con she was executing when FBI agents arrested her. After

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Speaker 4: I think miss Fulford failed to accept responsibility because she

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Speaker 4: never fully withdrew from the schemes of fraud and misrepresentation,

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Speaker 4: even after the fraud was finally identified. I think the

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Speaker 4: scheme and the artifice were perhaps ten years in duration.

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Speaker 4: I think she obstructed justice. I do think the statutory

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Speaker 2: That's ten years in federal prison. Peggy is visibly stunned.

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Speaker 2: After all, her public defender assured her that by pleading

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Speaker 2: at ten years behind bars.

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Speaker 3: Doesn't surprise me.

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Speaker 2: That's Rashad mckenttz, one of Peggy's many victims. She tricked

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Speaker 10: I don't feel bad for her, and I don't feel

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Speaker 3: You get what you get. What goes around comes around.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, I believe that. I believe what goes around comes

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Speaker 2: So at this point, Peggy is going to prison for

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Speaker 2: a decade, and you might be asking yourself, whatever happened

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Speaker 2: to Peggy's son, Elkin, the son who ran her athlete

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Speaker 2: into believing was her brother for years. Well, Elkin thinks

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Speaker 2: everyone's got this case wrong.

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Speaker 10: This was not a criminal case. This was a civil issue.

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Speaker 10: That's my starf and I'm sticking to it.

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Speaker 2: At first, Elkin states publicly, again and again that he

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Speaker 10: I think she just put their money in places that

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Speaker 2: And even after he's confronted with what the FBI found

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Speaker 2: In a public interview in twenty twenty two, Elkin says, that's.

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Speaker 10: The part that's so hard for me, because it's like,

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Speaker 10: I don't know any of that, Like when I hear

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Speaker 2: Initially, Elkin puts forth a theory that perhaps Peggy's victims

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Speaker 2: aren't really victims.

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Speaker 10: You're not talking about too financial gurus Ricky Williams and

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Speaker 2: But the more Elkin speaks about the case in public,

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Speaker 10: So they get cool in the situation and they start

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Speaker 10: for me. Well, how would you feel, you know, how

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Speaker 2: Elkin himself has tried to sort of disappear for his

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Speaker 2: in Peggy scams. People like Dennis Rodman's manager at.

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Speaker 12: The time, Elkin was part of the company that was

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Speaker 12: can't understand why he would allow his mother to say

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Speaker 12: That to me, it makes everything else tanked it. To me,

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Speaker 12: if you're not part of the fraud, why are you

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Speaker 2: That's a good freaking question, and we're going to answer

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Speaker 2: Dennis Rodman's manager is wondering if Peggy's son, Elkin is

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Speaker 12: To me, if you're not part of the fraud, why

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Speaker 2: For the record, Elkin was never charged with a crime

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Speaker 2: in relation to any of Peggy's scams, even though a

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Speaker 10: Arrested me for what. I don't touch the financials. That

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Speaker 10: wasn't my bad period. I spoke to the FBI for

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Speaker 10: four hours. We went through financial record after financial records.

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Speaker 10: How come you can't indict me? Oh, because guess what?

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Speaker 10: I never made a what a withdraw from a bank?

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Speaker 10: All deposits. He told me, I'm either the smartest motherfucker

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Speaker 2: That remains to be seen. But as I was scouring

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Speaker 2: was actually giving him, along with her other kids, cold

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Speaker 2: hard cash after she was busted for scamming one hundred

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Speaker 2: With that whole I'm gonna build a new retirement home

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Speaker 2: out of an old high school con At peggy sentence hearing,

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Speaker 2: the federal prosecutor informs the judge that Peggy misrepresented her

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Speaker 2: that she concealed all the money she had, all the

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Speaker 2: and ironically, Peggy's free public defender actually confirms as much.

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Speaker 13: I think there was approximately thirty thousand dollars that was

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Speaker 13: took twenty thousand of that and put it in a

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Speaker 2: Add to that revelation. Near the end of that same

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Speaker 2: that same federal prosecutor asks your honor.

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Speaker 8: If you could please order her to close the two

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Speaker 8: Dennis Rodbin accounts of Centrust Bay.

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Speaker 3: They're still being used.

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Speaker 8: One is a Dennis Robin Group an associate's account, and

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Speaker 8: the other is the Star rod production's account.

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Speaker 4: Who's using those.

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Speaker 8: She and her son have been using those accounts.

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Speaker 2: Huh. So when Elkin says publicly.

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Speaker 10: How come you can indict me, Oh, because guess what?

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Speaker 2: I'm not sure how true that is.

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Speaker 8: She and her son have been using those accounts.

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Speaker 2: Anyway, In the aftermath of Peggy getting convicted and going

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Speaker 14: I ran into her son after the fact Elton.

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Speaker 2: Yes, Peggy's former assistant in Ricky Williams's lifelong friend Chantel

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Speaker 14: And we had a Oh, tell.

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Speaker 2: Did you have a fight.

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Speaker 14: We didn't have a fight. We just had a very

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Speaker 2: As for Elkin, in a twenty twenty two interview, he

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Speaker 10: I didn't know what was going on with the money

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Speaker 2: And when he's asked in a twenty twenty three interview,

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Speaker 10: How about the day it started? It all went wrong,

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Speaker 2: They talk all the time.

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Speaker 10: It's really hard for my mom to grasp the truth.

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Speaker 10: It's just a really, really hard concept for her. But

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Speaker 2: Yep, her treatment program. Peggy claims she suffers from a

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Speaker 3: You are not yourself.

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Speaker 5: I mean, you're in a whole another world, and everything

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Speaker 3: And it can be controlled with drugs.

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Speaker 5: And I was put on drugs and I did very

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Speaker 3: After a while, you.

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Speaker 5: Tend to feel that nothing is exciting in your life

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Speaker 3: But it all has to do with the mania.

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Speaker 5: If I could do it all over again, I would

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Speaker 2: That's what Peggy said from prison in a twenty twenty

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Speaker 4: Are you sick in any way that would prevent you

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Speaker 3: No, I'm not.

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Speaker 2: It seems like Peggy's mania comes and goes as she

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Speaker 15: Her father would come home and demand that his house

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Speaker 15: So Peggy to keep the peace in a household, she

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Speaker 2: And Peggy has said publicly that it was the fear

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Speaker 5: When you're a child and your mother tells you every

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Speaker 2: There's a fascinating documentary about Peggy that Beet did. It's

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Speaker 3: Can you see me? Pay you good?

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Speaker 11: How are you doing?

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Speaker 10: I'm good, you know.

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Speaker 16: I just I think about you often and I imagine

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Speaker 4: Well, you know what, Ricky.

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Speaker 9: First, I want to say, I'm so sorry.

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Speaker 3: I never meant to disappoint you. I always wanted.

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Speaker 9: And I did.

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Speaker 10: Than anything for in the time.

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Speaker 6: It's just time.

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Speaker 3: But I'm missed the people who if and.

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Speaker 6: I hurt you, huh.

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Speaker 3: I hope that in your heart you can forgive me.

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Speaker 16: You know, I'm supposed to be angry and bitter and

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Speaker 16: You know, you brought a lot to my life, and

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Speaker 10: You know.

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Speaker 16: There are many clues and things that I could have

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Speaker 16: My story's not over. Your story's not over.

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Speaker 6: You know the fact that we.

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Speaker 8: I should know what Richard's with all my heart. I

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Speaker 6: I will make you proud of me. I'm proud of you, Bed.

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Speaker 16: Take care of yourself, all right, I will okay, all right?

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Speaker 14: Yeah I knew it.

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Speaker 7: I knew it.

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Speaker 14: He forgave her my reaction because me and my husband

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Speaker 2: Literally, I mean, I'm part of me. I envy that

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Speaker 2: I wish I could be that evolved. Yeah, but I'm

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm still still mad.

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Speaker 14: Ontil he gets his money back, I'm still mad.

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Speaker 17: My con was only like, not even one hundred thousand.

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Speaker 17: We're talking six point four million or more. I just

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Speaker 17: I wish I could be that good. But God like, yeah,

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Speaker 14: Yeah, And that shows you what type of person he is.

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Speaker 14: Like literally, and he's like, when you get out, I'm

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Speaker 2: Like, what what are we even.

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Speaker 14: You know, but like I said to him, like I

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Speaker 3: You know, he's a great guy.

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Speaker 2: But there might be another reason Ricky Williams is so

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Speaker 2: That video call between Ricky Williams and Peggy Can't see

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Speaker 6: I think it's just a remarkable exchange that shows a couple.

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Speaker 2: Of things Guardian journalist and author of the book Family

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Speaker 6: The extent to which her victims associates were willing to

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Speaker 6: creating a bond with someone and taking the good and

445
00:26:12,040 --> 00:26:14,920
Speaker 6: the bad, you're talking about more than more than business.

446
00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:17,560
Speaker 6: But you know how far that goes into personal That

447
00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:18,480
Speaker 6: can be up for debate.

448
00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:21,200
Speaker 14: He loved love loved her.

449
00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:25,760
Speaker 2: You know, Chantel Cohen. Again, someone speculated was there a

450
00:26:25,800 --> 00:26:28,680
Speaker 2: sexual relationship. Was there more than a professional relationship between

451
00:26:28,760 --> 00:26:29,800
Speaker 2: Ricky Williams and Peggy?

452
00:26:30,359 --> 00:26:33,200
Speaker 14: I don't think so at all. I think that Ricky

453
00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:35,399
Speaker 14: would have told me by now, I've asked him a

454
00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:37,760
Speaker 14: thousand million, you have asked him absolutely.

455
00:26:37,760 --> 00:26:39,120
Speaker 2: I asked like, are you sleeping with her?

456
00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:39,400
Speaker 7: Yeah?

457
00:26:39,480 --> 00:26:42,080
Speaker 14: Like how this stuff that happened to her? You know,

458
00:26:42,280 --> 00:26:44,720
Speaker 14: like what the hell you know? And He's like no.

459
00:26:44,880 --> 00:26:47,080
Speaker 14: And I really truly feel like he looked at her

460
00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:53,240
Speaker 14: like a mother figure, like no gave her Yeah.

461
00:26:53,320 --> 00:26:56,960
Speaker 2: Though, I can't help but recall what Rashad mccent said

462
00:26:57,080 --> 00:26:59,240
Speaker 2: about Peggy's flirtatious nature.

463
00:26:59,560 --> 00:27:02,639
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean Peggy was somebody that would probably have

464
00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:03,800
Speaker 3: sex with one of her clients.

465
00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:05,199
Speaker 2: Was she flirting with you?

466
00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:09,399
Speaker 3: Yeah, Yeah, she's a flirter. She's an older woman that

467
00:27:09,480 --> 00:27:10,520
Speaker 3: you definitely take down.

468
00:27:11,520 --> 00:27:14,639
Speaker 2: Also, keep in mind this is what Peggy has actually

469
00:27:14,680 --> 00:27:19,160
Speaker 2: said publicly about her first client, Travis Best And by

470
00:27:19,160 --> 00:27:22,200
Speaker 2: the way, Travis says Peggy scammed him out of more

471
00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:23,960
Speaker 2: than two million dollars.

472
00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:28,199
Speaker 5: Travis was attracted to me in very more than just

473
00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:31,280
Speaker 5: a friendship way. He was very shy when he was

474
00:27:31,320 --> 00:27:33,600
Speaker 5: in college and he had a friend of his call

475
00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:35,520
Speaker 5: and ask if I would meet him for dinner.

476
00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:40,080
Speaker 3: And I said, you know what, you're sweet, You're very,

477
00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:42,960
Speaker 3: very very handsome. You're a cute little boy.

478
00:27:44,080 --> 00:27:47,680
Speaker 5: And that's exactly what I said. He was still very

479
00:27:47,720 --> 00:27:52,040
Speaker 5: fascinated and still infatuated with me. I can remember when

480
00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:54,480
Speaker 5: I started dating a guy who played for the Jets

481
00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:58,520
Speaker 5: and he was a lot younger than myself, and Travis

482
00:27:58,560 --> 00:28:01,360
Speaker 5: made a comment and he said, if you were gonna date.

483
00:28:01,240 --> 00:28:04,479
Speaker 3: Him, you could have dated me. And I was like, wow.

484
00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:08,040
Speaker 5: And I don't mean to sound like brad adocious or

485
00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:11,480
Speaker 5: anything like that, but I used to have so many

486
00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:12,399
Speaker 5: men coming in me.

487
00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:18,520
Speaker 2: But still it is entirely possible. Ricky Williams just forgave

488
00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:24,320
Speaker 2: Peggy no inappropriate relationship attached because he's a changed man now.

489
00:28:25,480 --> 00:28:29,800
Speaker 2: Since retiring from the NFL, he's undergone a major, major

490
00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:35,119
Speaker 2: metamorphosis and completely reinvented himself. He launched his own cannabis

491
00:28:35,160 --> 00:28:38,240
Speaker 2: line called Heisman, like the Trophy.

492
00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:42,480
Speaker 17: But spuiled within high Ricky's company hopes to sparkle great

493
00:28:42,520 --> 00:28:45,880
Speaker 17: and it's by offering cannabis products as well as accessories

494
00:28:46,120 --> 00:28:47,120
Speaker 17: and clothing.

495
00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:51,200
Speaker 2: And believe it or not, Ricky Williams is now a

496
00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:57,000
Speaker 2: bonafide astrologer, actually doing readings for people through his website,

497
00:28:57,240 --> 00:28:58,960
Speaker 2: Ricky Williams dot life.

498
00:28:59,280 --> 00:29:02,400
Speaker 18: Get in touch with your astrological side.

499
00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:05,800
Speaker 2: My buddy Evan Goldstein and I are reading his splash page.

500
00:29:06,040 --> 00:29:09,560
Speaker 18: Sixteen years ago. Ricky discovered astrology as an excellent guide,

501
00:29:09,560 --> 00:29:13,880
Speaker 18: defining an understanding himself. Time booked in consultation with Ricky

502
00:29:14,240 --> 00:29:17,520
Speaker 18: is spent taking a long, deep look in the astrological mirror.

503
00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:18,800
Speaker 3: Ooh, that sounds.

504
00:29:18,520 --> 00:29:22,840
Speaker 18: Mysterious and mystical. He's like the snoop Dogg of astrology.

505
00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:26,720
Speaker 3: Now.

506
00:29:28,280 --> 00:29:32,400
Speaker 2: As for Peggy, while she's in federal prison, giving interview

507
00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:37,600
Speaker 2: after interview to various media outlets, she ends up strenuously

508
00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:41,200
Speaker 2: walking back that apology she made to the judge during

509
00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:42,200
Speaker 2: her sentencing hearing.

510
00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:46,600
Speaker 5: I wanted to say that i'd self full responsibility and

511
00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:51,720
Speaker 5: any consequences associated with my actions, I am so sorry.

512
00:29:52,880 --> 00:29:56,360
Speaker 2: After spending three years in prison, in the summer of

513
00:29:56,400 --> 00:30:01,520
Speaker 2: twenty twenty one, Peggy has changed her too, saying publicly

514
00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:06,480
Speaker 2: that the criminal case against her was made up orchestrated

515
00:30:06,560 --> 00:30:11,160
Speaker 2: by a dirty FBI agent named James Hawkins, who was

516
00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:14,080
Speaker 2: in fact one of the FBI agents who arrested her.

517
00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:17,680
Speaker 5: In March of twenty sixteen, there was a knock in

518
00:30:17,760 --> 00:30:21,120
Speaker 5: my door and it was two agents. Well, they said

519
00:30:21,160 --> 00:30:24,960
Speaker 5: that they were there to investigate Ricky Williams. I said,

520
00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:29,080
Speaker 5: how did a civil lawsuit turn into anything the FBI

521
00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:32,880
Speaker 5: would be interested in? And he said, well, you've had

522
00:30:32,920 --> 00:30:35,960
Speaker 5: some other people come forth and say that you stole

523
00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:36,880
Speaker 5: money from them.

524
00:30:37,240 --> 00:30:38,640
Speaker 3: And I said, that's crazy.

525
00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:42,920
Speaker 5: Agent Hawkins said to me, I'm going to prosecute you

526
00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:46,720
Speaker 5: regardless of whether you're innocent or whether you're guilty.

527
00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:50,200
Speaker 3: He said, it doesn't matter to me. You're going down.

528
00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:55,840
Speaker 2: Oh, it gets better. Peggy also says in another interview

529
00:30:55,880 --> 00:30:59,600
Speaker 2: that she didn't steal anyone's money, and she's really the

530
00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:00,880
Speaker 2: one who got conned.

531
00:31:01,680 --> 00:31:04,040
Speaker 5: I was going to invest in a good spot for them,

532
00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:08,080
Speaker 5: So I invested in something I thought was really gonna happen,

533
00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:09,480
Speaker 5: and it never happened.

534
00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:10,920
Speaker 3: I got scammed.

535
00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:14,440
Speaker 2: As for the millions and millions of dollars she was

536
00:31:14,560 --> 00:31:18,680
Speaker 2: convicted of stealing from all those athletes, in particular, when

537
00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:22,080
Speaker 2: she's asked about Travis Best and the million dollars he

538
00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:26,040
Speaker 2: wired her to pay his taxes that she ended up stealing.

539
00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:29,479
Speaker 5: I can honestly say that that's not true. You know

540
00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:31,880
Speaker 5: where you got that from. If you got that from

541
00:31:31,920 --> 00:31:35,840
Speaker 5: the court documents, they were just fabricated by the Federal

542
00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:40,320
Speaker 5: Bureau of Investigation. And so therefore, no, there was never

543
00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:43,680
Speaker 5: a million dollars in unpaid taxes that was wired to

544
00:31:43,720 --> 00:31:47,160
Speaker 5: my account or to me to pay taxes. If you

545
00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:51,000
Speaker 5: look at all the parties involved, they all had tax

546
00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:55,600
Speaker 5: problems prior to me, Prior to my existence, they had

547
00:31:55,680 --> 00:31:59,280
Speaker 5: tax problems. You know, Dennis had a big RS leaned

548
00:31:59,320 --> 00:32:02,440
Speaker 5: against him prior to meeting me. When you look at

549
00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:06,040
Speaker 5: it and understand the workings behind why I was all

550
00:32:06,080 --> 00:32:08,680
Speaker 5: done and why I was all orchestrated the way that

551
00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:12,160
Speaker 5: it was, I think that you can read between the lines.

552
00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:16,760
Speaker 5: So if you say that it's a tax issue, and

553
00:32:16,920 --> 00:32:19,800
Speaker 5: all of them had the same tax issues, which they

554
00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:22,840
Speaker 5: all did, and because they say that I didn't pay

555
00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:26,920
Speaker 5: their taxes, that's not true. Now I can say that's

556
00:32:27,040 --> 00:32:30,000
Speaker 5: not true. I don't think that a lot of things

557
00:32:30,040 --> 00:32:34,360
Speaker 5: were documented. I don't think a lot of investments Ricky

558
00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:37,840
Speaker 5: made as well as Dennis made that did not go through,

559
00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:42,920
Speaker 5: and as well as other issues that I will not

560
00:32:43,080 --> 00:32:47,400
Speaker 5: discuss because I feel that it was very it's very personal.

561
00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:49,320
Speaker 3: But they know where the money went.

562
00:32:49,800 --> 00:32:53,800
Speaker 5: That's what I will tell you is they definitely know

563
00:32:53,840 --> 00:32:56,960
Speaker 5: where the money went. And on top of that, as

564
00:32:56,960 --> 00:33:00,000
Speaker 5: far as not receiving or having access to their accounts,

565
00:33:00,320 --> 00:33:04,040
Speaker 5: that's not true. If that was the case, then you know,

566
00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:07,240
Speaker 5: the government would have had charges against me for you know,

567
00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:11,840
Speaker 5: fraudulent bank accounts. Never once was a bank account ever

568
00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:14,960
Speaker 5: in question. So if you look at it, every last

569
00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:17,280
Speaker 5: one of their bank accounts had their names on it,

570
00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:20,800
Speaker 5: and they did have access to it, and they used it.

571
00:33:21,240 --> 00:33:22,560
Speaker 3: I mean that's the thing.

572
00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:26,880
Speaker 5: They actually signed on the account and they actually used

573
00:33:26,920 --> 00:33:27,640
Speaker 5: the accounts.

574
00:33:27,840 --> 00:33:29,040
Speaker 3: So that's not true.

575
00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:34,520
Speaker 2: According to Peggy, the entire criminal case where she pled

576
00:33:34,560 --> 00:33:39,120
Speaker 2: guilty was orchestrated by the FBI and by all the

577
00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:43,040
Speaker 2: victims who say she scammed them. I guess her mania

578
00:33:43,360 --> 00:33:47,480
Speaker 2: wasn't a factor after all. And it gets even crazier.

579
00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:51,720
Speaker 2: So Peggy goes to prison in late twenty eighteen. Then

580
00:33:51,920 --> 00:33:55,400
Speaker 2: in twenty nineteen and twenty twenty and twenty twenty one,

581
00:33:55,880 --> 00:34:00,280
Speaker 2: she files several motions for early release that she writes

582
00:34:00,360 --> 00:34:05,600
Speaker 2: up herself and signs. And guess what Peggy has changed

583
00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:08,239
Speaker 2: her tune again, writing.

584
00:34:08,719 --> 00:34:12,840
Speaker 5: I do not justify, diminish, or detract from the seriousness

585
00:34:12,880 --> 00:34:18,160
Speaker 5: of my offenses, and I unequivocally accept responsibility for my

586
00:34:18,239 --> 00:34:19,160
Speaker 5: criminal conduct.

587
00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:22,040
Speaker 2: So I guess it's not an FBI setup.

588
00:34:22,040 --> 00:34:22,279
Speaker 17: Now.

589
00:34:23,120 --> 00:34:27,279
Speaker 2: Peggy makes the case that she's completely rehabilitated, and she

590
00:34:27,400 --> 00:34:31,120
Speaker 2: attaches to one of the filings a slew of certificates

591
00:34:31,120 --> 00:34:35,480
Speaker 2: that show while in prison, she successfully completed courses in

592
00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:43,200
Speaker 2: drug and alcohol treatment, computer Applications, Electronic Law Library, FDIC, Money,

593
00:34:43,200 --> 00:34:48,720
Speaker 2: Smart Job Readiness, team building, seven Habits of Effective People,

594
00:34:49,239 --> 00:34:53,960
Speaker 2: self Esteem, twenty first century Women, Healthy Mind and Body

595
00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:58,400
Speaker 2: art classes, and she writes that she's currently enrolled in

596
00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:03,359
Speaker 2: a medical billing spell socialist program. Peggy also submits that

597
00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:04,400
Speaker 2: I have.

598
00:35:04,360 --> 00:35:07,680
Speaker 5: A full time job in laundry, and I assist the

599
00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:11,919
Speaker 5: education department and teaching classes to fellow inmates, as well

600
00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:16,359
Speaker 5: as assistant inmates in a host of activities. I am

601
00:35:16,520 --> 00:35:21,000
Speaker 5: no longer the woman who made irrational and irresponsible choices

602
00:35:21,080 --> 00:35:24,760
Speaker 5: to engage in criminal conduct, and there is no concern

603
00:35:24,840 --> 00:35:27,280
Speaker 5: that I would be a danger to the public if released.

604
00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:31,040
Speaker 5: This is because I have learned to respect the rule

605
00:35:31,160 --> 00:35:35,360
Speaker 5: of law and conjunction with my rehabilitation.

606
00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:39,319
Speaker 2: And Peggy tells the court that her father, the same

607
00:35:39,400 --> 00:35:41,959
Speaker 2: father who she said used to beat her and her mother,

608
00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:44,880
Speaker 2: is now really really sick.

609
00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:49,799
Speaker 5: I am my father's only surviving child. He has no

610
00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:52,879
Speaker 5: living siblings and no friends to take care of him.

611
00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:56,680
Speaker 5: I humbly and respectfully ask the courts to grant me

612
00:35:57,040 --> 00:36:01,359
Speaker 5: elderly home detention or any other religon the court sea's fit.

613
00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:08,440
Speaker 2: In another filing, Peggy outrightly blames her public defender and

614
00:36:08,680 --> 00:36:11,440
Speaker 2: bad legal advice that led to her ten year prison

615
00:36:11,480 --> 00:36:15,360
Speaker 2: sentence that she says should be drastically reduced.

616
00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:18,560
Speaker 5: My legal counsel led me to believe that the federal

617
00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:21,960
Speaker 5: case was not very strong, which also.

618
00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:24,200
Speaker 3: Induced me to plead guilty to one count.

619
00:36:24,760 --> 00:36:28,480
Speaker 5: Also, I had a plea agreement which indicated the maximum

620
00:36:28,520 --> 00:36:32,880
Speaker 5: sentence of two to three years that was completely disregarded

621
00:36:32,920 --> 00:36:37,600
Speaker 5: at the sentencing hearing, and substantial additional allegations were assumed

622
00:36:37,640 --> 00:36:41,640
Speaker 5: correct and were used to increase my sentence via the

623
00:36:41,680 --> 00:36:43,399
Speaker 5: federal sentencing guidelines.

624
00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:48,080
Speaker 2: If you recall, during Peggy's sentencing hearing, it came to

625
00:36:48,200 --> 00:36:51,160
Speaker 2: light that she was actually scamming new victims in New

626
00:36:51,239 --> 00:36:54,520
Speaker 2: Orleans while she was out on bond, and she was

627
00:36:54,600 --> 00:36:57,840
Speaker 2: later convicted in one New Orleans fraud case for scamming

628
00:36:57,880 --> 00:37:00,320
Speaker 2: that doctor out of one hundred and seventy fourth thousand

629
00:37:00,360 --> 00:37:03,000
Speaker 2: dollars and she got a three year sentence for that,

630
00:37:03,560 --> 00:37:07,360
Speaker 2: and the judge in her federal case held that additional

631
00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:11,120
Speaker 2: New Orleans case against her and gave her the maximum

632
00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:17,560
Speaker 2: ten years. Peggy meticulously includes a bunch of case law

633
00:37:17,640 --> 00:37:21,200
Speaker 2: and legal precedents with one of her filings. She definitely

634
00:37:21,239 --> 00:37:26,000
Speaker 2: seems very lawyer like now on paper. At least, perhaps

635
00:37:26,080 --> 00:37:29,640
Speaker 2: she's putting that Electronic Law Library certificate she earned in

636
00:37:29,719 --> 00:37:39,000
Speaker 2: prison to good use. Miraculously, though, something Peggy files actually sticks.

637
00:37:42,160 --> 00:37:47,520
Speaker 6: So Peggy Faulford was released in April of twenty twenty three.

638
00:37:48,760 --> 00:37:51,560
Speaker 2: Guardian journalist and author of the book Family, Gangsters and

639
00:37:51,640 --> 00:37:56,040
Speaker 2: Champions Ramon Antonio Vargas he actually broke the story in

640
00:37:56,120 --> 00:37:59,719
Speaker 2: The Guardian that Peggy had been released way early, and

641
00:37:59,800 --> 00:38:02,120
Speaker 2: no one will tell him exactly why.

642
00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:05,799
Speaker 6: The record shows that she spent a significant amount of

643
00:38:05,800 --> 00:38:09,120
Speaker 6: time seeking a compassionate release, saying that she got by

644
00:38:09,239 --> 00:38:14,000
Speaker 6: legal council citing the COVID nineteen pandemic, citing her age,

645
00:38:14,080 --> 00:38:16,880
Speaker 6: saying that like I got two harsh of a sentence,

646
00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:20,560
Speaker 6: given that I spared the federal government from having to

647
00:38:20,640 --> 00:38:23,879
Speaker 6: take me to trial by pleading guilty. Some of them

648
00:38:23,920 --> 00:38:27,280
Speaker 6: were very kind of stock arguments for early release.

649
00:38:27,600 --> 00:38:30,520
Speaker 2: She served less than half her ten years, which my

650
00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:33,239
Speaker 2: understanding of how the federal system works, that's unheard of

651
00:38:33,840 --> 00:38:37,279
Speaker 2: with federal cases. Federal prison time, you have to serve

652
00:38:37,320 --> 00:38:40,440
Speaker 2: at least eighty eighty five percent, is my understanding that's

653
00:38:40,440 --> 00:38:44,040
Speaker 2: been told to me by several federal prosecutors I've interviewed

654
00:38:44,040 --> 00:38:48,120
Speaker 2: in the past. How did she get out so soon

655
00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:50,040
Speaker 2: less than half the time.

656
00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:53,480
Speaker 6: So when I reported that, it wasn't immediately clear to me,

657
00:38:53,600 --> 00:38:56,200
Speaker 6: and there wasn't much information. I couldn't get comment from her,

658
00:38:57,120 --> 00:38:59,880
Speaker 6: I couldn't get comment from the Bureau of Prisons beyond

659
00:39:00,320 --> 00:39:02,520
Speaker 6: them saying that she had been released from the federal

660
00:39:02,520 --> 00:39:04,760
Speaker 6: prison in Alabama where she was serving with ole security,

661
00:39:05,239 --> 00:39:08,880
Speaker 6: and she was moved into basically a halfway house program

662
00:39:09,239 --> 00:39:13,840
Speaker 6: in Orlando. There's opportunities for recreational passes, there's opportunities to

663
00:39:13,920 --> 00:39:16,640
Speaker 6: kind of begin living your life as if you were free,

664
00:39:16,680 --> 00:39:18,960
Speaker 6: but you're still onder some level of supervision.

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Speaker 11: It's just I mean, how someone can steal millions and

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Speaker 11: millions of dollars and get out in less than five years.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean that's something that's begging for additional reporting on.

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Speaker 2: In the meantime, I've heard whispers that Peggy is actually

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Speaker 2: planning a huge Anna Delvi like comeback, what's you wearing?

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Speaker 3: You look Paul.

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Speaker 2: Peggy wants the opportunity to tell her story in her

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Speaker 2: own words, and she wants it to be big.

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Speaker 5: I did some things that I have very very various

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Speaker 5: sorry for. I made some mistakes, but I didn't kill anybody.

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Speaker 5: I didn't hold up anybody, and I believe that society

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Speaker 5: will forgive.

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Speaker 2: Me next time. On Queen of the Khan, I sit

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Speaker 2: down with a woman who got to know Peggy better

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Speaker 2: than most.

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Speaker 7: She had begged me. She was just like, you know, please,

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Speaker 7: like you see how Ricky responded to me when we

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Speaker 7: did the interview, Could you please just ask him to

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Speaker 7: like write a letter about the type of person that

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Speaker 7: I am. And I was just like, I'm a television producer.

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Speaker 7: I don't get people out of prison.

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Speaker 2: There's still a lot of crazy stuff that you don't

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Speaker 2: know about. Con artist Peggy Fulford and her son Elkin.

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Speaker 7: Shortly after she went to prison, he got shot in

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Speaker 7: the face.

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Speaker 2: Oh, like a retribution.

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Speaker 7: It sounds like ALCN said she was like scanning some

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Speaker 7: like drug dealers in the streets or whatever, and I

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Speaker 7: think that that is what he got caught up in.

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Speaker 2: Queen of the Cohn The Athlete Whisperer is a production

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Speaker 2: of AYR Media and iHeartMedia, hosted by me Jonathan Walton,

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Speaker 2: Executive producers Jonathan Walton for Jonathan Walton Productions and Elisa

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Speaker 2: Rosen for AYR Media. Consulting producer Evan Goldstein, consulting producer,

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Speaker 2: Trace Shean. Written by Jonathan Walton, Sound design by Zach Hirsch,

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Speaker 2: Edited and mixed by Zach Hirsch, Audio engineer Justin Longerbean,

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Speaker 2: audio engineer Chris Desmond, studio engineer Graham Gibson. Mastered by

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Speaker 2: Justin Longerbean. Legal counsel for AYR Media, Johnny Douglas, Executive

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Speaker 2: producer for iHeartMedia. Maya Howard voice acting by Darnell Baldwin,

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Speaker 2: Tyree Saxton Junior, Courtney Hettrick, Milan Faxis, Jorge Farragut, David Teitelbaum,

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Speaker 2: Terina Pouncey, Kim Ganier, Stuart Chait, Teresa Prindle. Statements from

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Speaker 2: press reports, public interviews, and from court records were dramatized

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Speaker 2: verbatim on this season of Queen of the Khan.

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Speaker 2: T's American Gangster Trap, Queens TNTs Rich and Shameless, CNBC's

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Speaker 2: American Greed, The Guardian, Sports Illustrated, The Times, Picky June,

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Speaker 2: The Opportunist Podcast, victim interviews, and countless court records were

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Speaker 2: the sources used on this season of Queen of the

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