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Speaker 2: You're listening to the John Cobel podcast on the iHeartRadio

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Speaker 2: app and we're going to talk a little more. I

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Speaker 2: to hear that on the podcast, but the Jimmy Kinmol

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Speaker 2: situation from a number of angles. But I want to

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Speaker 2: talk some more with our next guest, Drew Hayes. Drew

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Speaker 2: has been a friend of mine for a long time

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Speaker 2: and hired Ken and I over twenty five years ago

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Speaker 2: a radio executive and programmer for many many years, not

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Speaker 1: Has been a talk show host in various cities.

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Speaker 3: Drew, how are you. I used to go to lunch

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Speaker 3: with Mark Tony, so we're pretty close. And I want

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Speaker 3: to know if I won tickets to the iHeartRadio Fest.

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Speaker 3: Is that why I'm on the phone because I'm the winner.

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Speaker 2: You're too late for that and they don't let people

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Speaker 2: of your age in there anyway, Thank you very much.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the thing that happens. Well, can I get it.

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Speaker 3: Can I get a little bit more? Can we talk

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Speaker 3: about the New worlds through worm before we get started? No?

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Speaker 3: Because actually, oh it's so great. I actually heard your

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Speaker 3: And you know, for thirty years, really, you know, guys

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Speaker 3: So this this is nothing new. It's it's not a shock.

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Speaker 3: Radio stations and TV stations have the right to fire

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Speaker 3: you know, And the FCC, I have to say, and

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Speaker 3: I did a little research for this. Of course you

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Speaker 3: had already done it. The SCC the has to mandate

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Speaker 3: that stations operate in the public interest, convenience, and necessity.

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Speaker 3: That's the operating phrase, and it has been since nineteen

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Speaker 3: twenty seven. And that's you know. So I do believe

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Speaker 3: that the FCC would have jurisdiction to do something about

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Speaker 3: Having said that, I think, really, to me, what it

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Speaker 3: comes down to is, and you've seen this, it's what

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Speaker 3: what what does your boss? What does your boss say?

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Speaker 3: That's what it comes down to.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and the boss has to deal with government because

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Speaker 2: the government has the license. You know, these all broadcast

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Speaker 2: stations basically borrow the license, I guess for maybe five

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Speaker 3: You know, you talked about all the things we had

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Speaker 3: And I had to oversee quarterly reports. Every reporter. We

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Speaker 3: manager is don't lose the license. Yes, and you know

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Speaker 2: How many times did you hear that going making your

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Speaker 3: How many times a day is what you mean? It's

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Speaker 3: what you said about Jimmy Kimmel talking about whether he

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Speaker 2: Well, that's the thing that hasn't been reported on enough.

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Speaker 3: Well? One hundred percent. And you also made exactly the

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Speaker 3: that somebody says. This is, as the lawyers like to say,

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Speaker 3: a pattern in practice since Donald Trump came on the

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Speaker 3: Trump the FAFO president that would be full around and

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Speaker 3: this is the perfect example of f AFO. You know,

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Speaker 3: you know that that guess what, The people on the right,

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Speaker 3: We're talking about a husband and a father and a

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Speaker 1: Can you hang on?

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Speaker 3: I keep talking, Well, I'm going to go check to

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Speaker 2: No problem, and check yourself too. We've got Drew Hayes on.

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Speaker 2: Drew was my program director. He hired us way back

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Speaker 2: And the way broadcast radio and TV works is away

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Speaker 2: hang on is unlike what you think it is because

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Speaker 1: And we're gonna talk more with Drew coming up.

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Speaker 4: You're listening to John Cobels on demand from KFI AM

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Speaker 4: six forty.

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Speaker 2: The day after Jimmy Kimmel has put off pulled off

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Speaker 2: true talk about your your opinion of everyone is screaming

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Speaker 2: Jimmy Kimmel's constitutional rights have been violated.

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Speaker 3: Enough enough, enough enough. Here's the thing. You have a

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Speaker 3: constitutional right to freedom of speech, but not where you're paid.

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Speaker 3: I had. I actually had an incident with a guy

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Speaker 3: I referred to before, Don Wade. He was twenty six

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Speaker 3: on me. I'm just a dopey manager. And I go,

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Speaker 3: down there. You have a right to freedom of speech

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Speaker 3: in there where the microphones are, where I'm paying you,

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Speaker 3: you don't have a right to freedom of speech. And

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Speaker 3: he understood that and it was an important part of

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Speaker 3: our relationship, and so and the people who are streaming, Look,

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Speaker 3: if you can gin up a protest, as you well know,

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Speaker 3: He was my morning guy when I was in charge

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Speaker 3: not kidding you. Ten minutes later there was a protest

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Speaker 3: And so, you know, having a protest is you know,

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Speaker 3: want to take a message, take a note here. This

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Speaker 3: is not the time to continue your lying ad hominem

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Speaker 3: And so the you know, a protest. Really, back in

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Speaker 3: on because the Dems spent as you pointed out, even

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Speaker 3: going back to trying to kill talk radio. Yes, Dems

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Speaker 3: During the first Trub administration, it was misinformation and disinformation

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Speaker 3: and oh my god, you can't say what everyone knows.

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Speaker 3: A mask doesn't work. You can't say what everyone knows.

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Speaker 3: We need to investigate the lab in Wuhan, No, you

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Speaker 3: can't do that. That's misinformation. I didn't here, Chuck, I

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Speaker 3: didn't hear Chuck Schulmer or Hakim Jeffries or Jasmine Crockett,

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Speaker 3: go Jimmy Kimmel was delivering disinformation he should have known better.

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Speaker 3: Nut was out that saying what he said was ultimately

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Speaker 3: in his world. And so you're going to have a

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Speaker 3: be allowed to blatantly lie on television? That doesn't cut

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Speaker 2: One more thing, we all worked for Disney back then together.

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Speaker 2: What do you think's been going on in the Disney

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Speaker 2: executive offices this week that they came to this decision?

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Speaker 3: Well, I can you know, it kind of made me

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Speaker 3: shudder when you raised Disney, because I was thinking about

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Speaker 3: the three or four days I spent my boss's office

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Speaker 3: just sitting around wondering what some relative of some CEO

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Speaker 3: to do about it. So my guess is it's not

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Speaker 3: much different. Although I would have to say that Trump

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Speaker 3: he got the settlement on Paramount and Colbert, He's got

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Speaker 3: a built fifteen billion dollar lawsuit against against the Washington

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Speaker 2: flexed in a long time, So most people don't know.

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Speaker 1: All this stuff is on the books.

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Speaker 2: And I think if you're running the country and you

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Speaker 2: had the three major networks running ninety two percent negative

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Speaker 2: news stories against you, you might think, hey, then licenses up.

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Speaker 1: I'm not saying.

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Speaker 2: Again that that Kimo ought to be fired or suspended

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Speaker 2: because of government pressure. I'm saying this is the system

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Speaker 2: we've always had, and it used to be used a lot.

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Speaker 2: There was a lot of pressure behind the scenes on

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Speaker 2: networks for decades. You didn't hear much about it because

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Speaker 2: it wasn't covered obsessively, but it was.

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Speaker 1: It did exist.

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Speaker 2: I mean now it exists again and there's a big

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Speaker 2: spotlight on it, so it's a much much bigger story. Hey,

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Speaker 2: you've been listening to the John Cobalt Show podcast. You

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Speaker 2: can always hear the show live on KFI AM six

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Speaker 2: forty from one to four pm every Monday through Friday,

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