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Speaker 2: Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt,

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Speaker 2: my name is Noah.

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Speaker 3: They called me Ben. We're joined as always with our

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Speaker 3: super producer Dylan the Tennessee pal Fagan. Most importantly, you

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Speaker 3: are you. You are here. That makes this the stuff

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Speaker 3: they don't want you to know. It's our weekly strange

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Speaker 3: news program. So let us welcome you to Monday, November seventeenth,

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Speaker 3: twenty twenty five. Raise your hand. If you're not in prison,

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Speaker 3: Oh god, uh not in a US official prison. I

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Speaker 3: guess we're all in a prison of existence.

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Speaker 4: An existential prison and of the mind.

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Speaker 2: Yes, there are a few people listening to this on

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Speaker 2: a cell block who just went, oh.

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Speaker 3: Raise your hand. We're here with you. We're all in

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Speaker 3: it together. That's our segue because we have been super

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Speaker 3: tuned into a lot of strange news. As we hurtle

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Speaker 3: headlong toward twenty twenty six, and Gallaine Maxwell from earlier

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Speaker 3: is apparently getting some very special treatment in incarceration.

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Speaker 4: We're talking neck massages, snacks. Are we what are we talking?

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Speaker 3: Deference is the ultimate, Yes, the ultimate treat And if

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Speaker 3: you want to read more about that, there's a great

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Speaker 3: primer over on CNN where the journalist Aaron Burnett spoke

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Speaker 3: with the federal prison consultant Sam Mangle. And that's kind

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Speaker 3: of a that's kind of a setup, because I think

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Speaker 3: we've all noticed that, We've all noticed that there is

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Speaker 3: between the US public and indeed the global public and

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Speaker 3: the official like mainstream media outlets. For a time, everybody

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Speaker 3: on the Internet and especially our favorite subreddits was saying,

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Speaker 3: ignore this political news release.

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Speaker 4: The Epstein files comment sections are on fire with that one.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, Ben, if you don't mind, I just clicked

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Speaker 2: on the link that you shared with us for for

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Speaker 2: this on the dock and there the things that she's

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Speaker 2: getting access to are the puppies.

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Speaker 3: Got a puppypy to special meal request, checking access to

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Speaker 3: exercise areas after hours?

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Speaker 4: Oh my god.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, A lot of a lot of stuff that wouldn't

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Speaker 3: normally happen, even in the relatively nice, comfy place Galley

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Speaker 3: Maxwell is currently incarcerated at.

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Speaker 4: And does this feel like quid pro quo. Well, I

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Speaker 4: mean why, Like, I just don't understand she's a convicted

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Speaker 4: sex predator, child sex trafficker. It's just such a bad look.

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Speaker 4: I just is there. Does she have something on someone?

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Speaker 3: Or that's the that's the question.

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Speaker 4: That's with a slight eyebrow waggle and also a healthy

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Speaker 4: dose of naivete. But I mean I think, yeah, something's.

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Speaker 2: Wow, isn't it interesting?

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Speaker 4: Though?

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Speaker 2: That's the like, that's the feeling that you get without

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Speaker 2: knowing much about it, right, And then imagine all of

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Speaker 2: the Americans who've been following this story who do know

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Speaker 2: just enough right to feel a little bit of a

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Speaker 3: And additionally, before we go to our break and our

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Speaker 3: breaking news, we must add that Gallin Maxwell's official special

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Speaker 4: Yes, yeah, I mean, and there's no question about her crimes, right,

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Speaker 4: and yet there's discussion being bandied about about the potential pardon.

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Speaker 4: You know, but anytime a pardon comes up, presidents typically like, well,

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Speaker 4: even remembering who Gallaine Maxwell is when confronted with it often,

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Speaker 3: I think it gives most people the echo. I'd have

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Speaker 3: our earlier episodes on the Jeffrey Epstein News. And this

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Speaker 2: And we've returned just I guess. As a way to

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Speaker 2: That was the big deal on that whole thing.

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Speaker 3: And we don't know the substance of that conversation.

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Speaker 2: Oh no, we do not, and no one will. Because

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Speaker 2: that was an attorney, I guess, and a not a client.

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Speaker 2: this is just kind of an appetizer to set up

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Speaker 2: I never witnessed the president in any inappropriate setting in

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Speaker 5: five this morning, when my girlfriend showed me a little

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Speaker 5: news alert that she received, And this is the news alert.

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Speaker 2: It was from PBS News an article by Liz Landers

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Speaker 2: written today that we're recording November twelfth, twenty twenty five.

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Speaker 2: The title is read Jeffrey Epstein's newly released emails about Trump.

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Speaker 2: So let's jump right to this article and see where

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Speaker 2: Jeffrey Epstein specifically referenced his relationship with President Donald Trump

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Speaker 2: in writing before Trump was elected to office. According to

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Speaker 2: the emails are among twenty three thousand documents Epstein's estate

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Speaker 4: This is also the same state that released the birthday book. Correct,

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Speaker 4: A lot of this stuff has come directly from them.

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Speaker 2: Yes, the estate is releasing a lot of things. The

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Speaker 2: some of these emails were released specifically by members of

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Speaker 4: Heck, yeah, I mean must we but okay, yes.

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Speaker 2: First thing I want to do you, guys, I want

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Speaker 2: each one of these emails from Epstein's email account, which

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Speaker 2: is jee vacation at gmail dot com. By the way,

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Speaker 2: that's exciting. Jeffrey Epstein's vacation email in twenty eleven. The

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Speaker 2: maybe attorney client privileged, may constitute inside information, and is

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Speaker 2: is the property of Jeffrey Epstein. Unauthorized use, disclosure copying

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Speaker 2: and may be unlawful. If you ever received this communication

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Speaker 2: this communication and all copies thereof, including all attachments.

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Speaker 4: This message may or may not self destruct.

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Speaker 2: Wow, So it sounds like something that would make sense

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Speaker 2: for a financier, somebody who is helping others with monies

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Speaker 4: Privlenged information right proprie trade secrets perhaps, yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yes, but something about the including all attachments really creeps

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Speaker 2: Okay, without further ado, guys, we're gonna do these in

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Speaker 2: occurs on April second, twenty eleven. That's a Saturday. According

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Speaker 2: so two twenty five pm. We're assuming wherever Jeffrey Epstein

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Speaker 2: writing this jee vacation at gmail dot com. Quote. I

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Speaker 2: want you to realize that that dog that hasn't barked

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Speaker 2: is Trump. And there's there's a redacted section right here,

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Speaker 2: which is the name of a victim. That's how it's

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Speaker 2: There it says victim spent hours at my house with him.

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Speaker 2: He has never once been mentioned police chief, et cetera.

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Speaker 2: I'm seventy five percent there. Then there's a reply from

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Speaker 2: com Glaine replies, quote, I've been thinking about that unquote.

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Speaker 2: So specifically, guys, what do we think about the wording there?

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Speaker 2: That quote that that dog that hasn't barked? And what

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Speaker 2: Well, Ben, specifically, what do you what do you think

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Speaker 3: there is an attempt to communicate with obfuscation, right, Like

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Speaker 2: Well, we know the context is everything, right, because we

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Speaker 4: For him eventually.

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Speaker 2: But this is twenty eleven, right, So this is the

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Speaker 2: So this is where we need to introduce this gentleman,

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Speaker 4: Is there is there a sense that Wolfe has swept

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Speaker 2: I think that's perfectly fine. So let's jump to email three.

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Speaker 4: Isn't a hunter Biden getting sued for the same reasons

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, you can head over to NBC News and

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Speaker 3: Yeah, at some point it ends up being a bunch

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Speaker 4: Well, hey, guys, obviously this is very new these emails.

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Speaker 4: Do you think the Trump administration is gonna say they're fake?

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Speaker 2: Well, hey, guess what As of twenty four minutes ago

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Speaker 4: Leave it.

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Speaker 2: I don't want to say your name, says the unnamed

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Speaker 2: So here's where it gets curiouser and curious her guys.

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Speaker 2: Email number two just in order there of the release.

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Speaker 2: This is twenty nineteen, so three years after President Trump's

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Speaker 2: Here is the message from jee vacation at gmail dot

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Speaker 2: Then there is a full redacted sentence that we don't

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Speaker 4: Resign from what and stop what he says.

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Speaker 2: They're talking about mar A Lago, some.

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Speaker 2: Pretty weird, right, some sentence as though, because we're talking

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Speaker 4: But you know, then they could argue, well, we may.

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Speaker 2: And finally from the White House, any American with common

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Speaker 4: Something to chew on. Very new, Thanks Matt.

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Speaker 2: All right, we'll be right back with more strange news.

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Speaker 4: And we've returned. Got a couple shorties for you all today.

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Speaker 4: I'm gonna just jump right in.

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Speaker 3: With space a couple shorties hashtag new Epstein.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, well, no, no, a couple shorties, some short kings

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Speaker 4: for us here today on this segment of Strange News

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Speaker 4: is going to lead off with a space story out

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Speaker 4: of the International Space Station, where they are apparently going

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Speaker 4: to debut astronaut food made of pea.

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Speaker 3: Finally, finally, water World is real.

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Speaker 4: Astronauts embarking on long term space missions could eat space

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Speaker 4: food made from a protein powder consisting of air and urine.

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Speaker 4: The European Space Agency, as News Nation reports, launched a

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Speaker 4: pilot program called Hobi wan.

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Speaker 3: And don't kick it for us.

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Speaker 4: That is an acronym come boys it Ever, the kenobia

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Speaker 4: is I think understood. It is hydrogen oxidizing bacteria in

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Speaker 4: weightlessness as a source of nutrient kenobi WHOA.

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Speaker 3: I love how they I love how they specifically capitalize

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Speaker 3: it would be uh high bwahs ass I love.

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Speaker 4: I love a convenient acronym. You gotta you gotta love it. Uh.

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Speaker 4: This program is essentially testing whether it's possible to create

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Speaker 4: this protein powder that's already got a pretty space spacey name.

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Speaker 4: In Soline sounds like something out of an Aldest Huxley

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Speaker 4: novel that requires nothing but microbes, air and electric current

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Speaker 4: to uh to generate to manufacture.

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Speaker 2: So already sounds delicious.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like soil and green and we talked about

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I want mine and bubblegum. Uh. Soline relies on urea. Yes,

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Speaker 4: uric acid, I imagine is similar to that, if not

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00:24:56,880 --> 00:25:00,040
Speaker 4: the same thing, an organic compound found in urine, a

438
00:25:00,320 --> 00:25:04,320
Speaker 4: nitrogen source for protein synthesis. The protein powder developed by

439
00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:09,600
Speaker 4: finished startup Solar Foods will be tested by the ESA,

440
00:25:09,800 --> 00:25:14,760
Speaker 4: that is, the European Space Agency YEP in a future

441
00:25:14,760 --> 00:25:19,199
Speaker 4: mission aboard the ISS the International Space Station. Marks the

442
00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:21,119
Speaker 4: first time this kind of tech has been used to

443
00:25:21,160 --> 00:25:24,199
Speaker 4: develop a powder that can be used in a space environment.

444
00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:26,280
Speaker 4: So we've come a long way since freeze dried ice

445
00:25:26,320 --> 00:25:28,439
Speaker 4: cream fellas just add p.

446
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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it's apparently a completely natural protein, as the

447
00:25:36,440 --> 00:25:40,760
Speaker 3: website of Solar Foods originating from a quote natural non

448
00:25:40,880 --> 00:25:45,800
Speaker 3: modified single cell organism p. I love well. I love

449
00:25:45,840 --> 00:25:48,240
Speaker 3: that you're pointing out the nitrogen because when they're talking

450
00:25:48,280 --> 00:25:53,040
Speaker 3: about soling specifically, they're not just talking about space. This

451
00:25:53,119 --> 00:25:55,399
Speaker 3: is a great headline. They're talking about the idea of

452
00:25:55,480 --> 00:25:59,040
Speaker 3: maybe ending famine on the surface of Earth.

453
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Speaker 4: I'm down with that question about it. Also, what happened

454
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Speaker 4: to all the discussion around creating food stuffs out of

455
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Speaker 4: like ground up insects. Is that still happening, because that's

456
00:26:06,600 --> 00:26:10,200
Speaker 4: always seemed like a reviable option that I'm fully on board,

457
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Speaker 4: and I'm not even saying that from a like feed

458
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Speaker 4: the poor insects. I'm into it. Give it to me.

459
00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:17,320
Speaker 4: I will eat the hell out of some insects, and

460
00:26:17,359 --> 00:26:19,720
Speaker 4: I bet you could make some tasty protein substitutes that

461
00:26:19,760 --> 00:26:21,600
Speaker 4: you could, you know, have around the house.

462
00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:25,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, insects. By the way, insect consumption is still an

463
00:26:25,520 --> 00:26:29,280
Speaker 3: active debate at the United Nations. The thing is other

464
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Speaker 3: than folks like us. I don't know about Matt, but

465
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Speaker 3: other folks like you and me, nol, A lot.

466
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Speaker 4: Of people get the ick we've talked.

467
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Speaker 3: They hear about eating insects just the barrier to scale entry. Right. So,

468
00:26:42,160 --> 00:26:45,120
Speaker 3: right now with the United Nations, there are a ton

469
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Speaker 3: of world leaders who are saying this is great, and

470
00:26:48,160 --> 00:26:51,040
Speaker 3: this solves a lot of problems for everybody, but not

471
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Speaker 3: you know, not us.

472
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Speaker 4: What's similar to the to the the issues around using

473
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Speaker 4: graywater for certain things. The idea of turning graywater into water.

474
00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:03,160
Speaker 4: It can be done. We've talked about stories revolving around

475
00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:06,400
Speaker 4: that kind of technology. But there is this ick factor

476
00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:09,119
Speaker 4: that causes people to really question, I don't want to

477
00:27:09,200 --> 00:27:13,679
Speaker 4: drink potentially you know, peepy water, which.

478
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Speaker 3: Also seems that it could likely be.

479
00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:19,720
Speaker 4: A case with this pea protein not pea protein, which

480
00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:22,359
Speaker 4: is also a thing people put in their muscle milk

481
00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:24,879
Speaker 4: or whatever. But yeah, I could see a barrier to

482
00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:27,520
Speaker 4: entry because that ck factor here as well. The developers

483
00:27:27,520 --> 00:27:31,760
Speaker 4: do hope it'll be available space wide by twenty thirty five.

484
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Speaker 3: And another thing that I love I love you for

485
00:27:35,720 --> 00:27:38,440
Speaker 3: pointing out there is the idea of barrier to entry

486
00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:41,960
Speaker 3: has occurred before in other food stuffs. If you think

487
00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:44,639
Speaker 3: about it, milk is kind of gross. Yeah, that's a

488
00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:45,880
Speaker 3: weird flex.

489
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Speaker 4: Bacon man, but's talk about the bacon conundrum. Slash creation

490
00:27:50,359 --> 00:27:53,560
Speaker 4: as a marketing ploy. It was originally considered trash meat

491
00:27:53,600 --> 00:27:56,479
Speaker 4: that was not fit for consumption and then repackaged and

492
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Speaker 4: sold as breakfast food.

493
00:27:58,119 --> 00:28:01,720
Speaker 3: Shellfish as well. Lobster uh used to used to be

494
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Speaker 3: prison food here in the United States, and that's mainly

495
00:28:05,119 --> 00:28:06,320
Speaker 3: because of the way they cooked it.

496
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Speaker 4: By the way, folks, they didn't take the shell off.

497
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Speaker 2: Okay, guys, I think I'm just I'm hearing you and

498
00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:16,120
Speaker 2: and I agree with everything you're saying. I'm just trying

499
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Speaker 2: to imagine someone attempting to sell the concept.

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Speaker 4: Of cow piss.

501
00:28:20,600 --> 00:28:22,240
Speaker 2: Now drink cow piss.

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Speaker 4: You know now that milk isn't pea Okay, well, I

503
00:28:26,280 --> 00:28:28,000
Speaker 4: have a little It might have a little pea in it.

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Speaker 2: What I'm saying is a little bit to jump from

505
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Speaker 2: cow milk as like, which is objectively gross, and I

506
00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:37,320
Speaker 2: agree with you guys, But to then your own pee

507
00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:38,640
Speaker 2: drinking your own pea.

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00:28:39,040 --> 00:28:41,680
Speaker 4: I mean, y'all, you've seen these, some of these let's say,

509
00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:44,880
Speaker 4: quack types that are saying drinking your own urine is

510
00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:48,000
Speaker 4: like good for you. Don't stand behind that one, nor

511
00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:49,520
Speaker 4: does science if I'm not mistaken.

512
00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:50,080
Speaker 3: But it's not.

513
00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:52,280
Speaker 4: It's not going to kill you, but it's not good

514
00:28:52,280 --> 00:28:55,280
Speaker 4: for you, yeah, because it is literally all the bad

515
00:28:55,520 --> 00:28:58,360
Speaker 4: that your your kidneys filter out. And it seems like

516
00:28:58,440 --> 00:29:00,040
Speaker 4: maybe a bad idea to put it, but sure, we

517
00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:02,000
Speaker 4: don't know the specifics, and I'm sure we could do

518
00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:06,239
Speaker 4: some more digging. The process of refinement and processing that

519
00:29:06,280 --> 00:29:09,640
Speaker 4: this saligne undergoes would filter out those those bad things

520
00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:11,400
Speaker 4: and turn it into you know, it isolates that aspect

521
00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:15,720
Speaker 4: and uses it to believe fuel the process that generates

522
00:29:15,840 --> 00:29:16,840
Speaker 4: the good stuff.

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00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:19,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, to synthesize the protein. And also this reminds me

524
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Speaker 3: of our earlier conversations where we talked about how as

525
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Speaker 3: technology evolves, it increasingly mimics existing biological processes. We also

526
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Speaker 3: want to give a shout out to superproducer Tennessee who

527
00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:38,760
Speaker 3: noted that Mercedes used u rea injection to reduce harmful

528
00:29:38,840 --> 00:29:43,200
Speaker 3: emissions in diesel engines. And also you added Dylan, good

529
00:29:43,280 --> 00:29:45,560
Speaker 3: enough for a luxury car, good enough for a person.

530
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Speaker 3: So here's what I'm thinking, guys, Guys, are we losing

531
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Speaker 3: money every time we piss or we literally peed away profits?

532
00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:57,479
Speaker 3: Should we save our stuff and solid business, sell it

533
00:29:57,520 --> 00:30:02,600
Speaker 3: to Finland or startup investors? Uh, piss up investors.

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Speaker 4: We'll work on it, guys.

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Speaker 2: I just found a quote that's in a New York

536
00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:09,760
Speaker 2: Post article that is related to this, and you can

537
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Speaker 2: read it on your own time. But it is about

538
00:30:11,560 --> 00:30:15,400
Speaker 2: a gentleman that claims to have cured testicular cancer by

539
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Speaker 2: urine looping. And uh he also you'ine looping?

540
00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:22,080
Speaker 4: You d me drink?

541
00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:24,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, when you drink your own.

542
00:30:24,120 --> 00:30:26,160
Speaker 4: You never heard it trot it out like that before,

543
00:30:26,280 --> 00:30:28,080
Speaker 4: And I'm gonna start using it in conversation.

544
00:30:28,200 --> 00:30:31,880
Speaker 3: It's gonna give it some bona fide. Ah, it's gonna

545
00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:35,000
Speaker 3: give it a slight asparagus tinge of credibility.

546
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Speaker 4: Oh god, that's so cute. Thank you.

547
00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:41,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, So, Matt, where were you saying.

548
00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:43,840
Speaker 2: No, I don't know, just I couldn't believe the post

549
00:30:43,840 --> 00:30:45,520
Speaker 2: it was. It was connected to the one you put

550
00:30:45,520 --> 00:30:48,720
Speaker 2: in the in the dock knoll. This was like linked

551
00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:51,880
Speaker 2: to it. This guy, this model who wrote a book

552
00:30:51,920 --> 00:30:55,960
Speaker 2: about being ripped at fifty talks about doing urine enemas

553
00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:58,320
Speaker 2: and splashing it on his skin and having his morning.

554
00:30:58,640 --> 00:31:01,200
Speaker 4: Just put it right back into your own peehle.

555
00:31:01,480 --> 00:31:03,920
Speaker 3: Just just just dock it.

556
00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:08,000
Speaker 4: Sorry, we got gross of this one, but it's interesting

557
00:31:08,120 --> 00:31:11,520
Speaker 4: and it is more sci fi and it's cool.

558
00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:17,560
Speaker 3: Maybe this is just an earthbound mud people prejudice, you know,

559
00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:22,240
Speaker 3: maybe astronauts in the future are going to say, you

560
00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:26,840
Speaker 3: guys just pee in holes in the crowd. You know,

561
00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:30,960
Speaker 3: this is why you guys aren't on Mars.

562
00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:36,080
Speaker 4: There's gold in them there, your reeas there. Thank you, sorry,

563
00:31:36,120 --> 00:31:37,960
Speaker 4: thank you for finishing for me. That was the way

564
00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:39,760
Speaker 4: the way to do it. So we're going to put

565
00:31:39,760 --> 00:31:40,959
Speaker 4: a pin in that one for now and move on

566
00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:43,880
Speaker 4: to the city of Paris, the City of Love. If

567
00:31:43,920 --> 00:31:46,080
Speaker 4: they call it that, not brotherly love, that's Philly. Paris

568
00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:50,280
Speaker 4: is just love. Uh. A very romantic city, a storied

569
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Speaker 4: a place of poetry and art and music, and culture.

570
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Speaker 4: Also the burial place for some pretty notable folks, including

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Speaker 4: the os frontman, Jim Morrison, the Lizard King himself, as

572
00:32:03,680 --> 00:32:09,880
Speaker 4: well as Edith Peoff who else we got, Oscar wild

573
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Speaker 4: one hundred percent Oscar Wilde and Jean Paul Satre, as

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Speaker 4: well as Susan Suntalk, very very notable folks. A lot

575
00:32:18,360 --> 00:32:22,959
Speaker 4: of these people are buried in the Montparnasse Cemetery there

576
00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:27,360
Speaker 4: in Paris, which is a very storied burial place in

577
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Speaker 4: a city of where where you know, real estate is

578
00:32:30,520 --> 00:32:32,560
Speaker 4: at a premium. I was listening to my buddy Jonesy

579
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Speaker 4: on his podcast Weird a f News, and he pointed

580
00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:37,000
Speaker 4: out that Paris doesn't really build up like a lot

581
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Speaker 4: of modern cities. I think there's you know, there are

582
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Speaker 4: historical markers and designations and regulations that prevent them from

583
00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:47,080
Speaker 4: doing so. So what they are doing is in maybe

584
00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:50,960
Speaker 4: realizing that this there is a bit of a scarcity

585
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Speaker 4: of land, including burial land, the city of Paris has announced.

586
00:32:54,840 --> 00:32:58,880
Speaker 4: According to CN and Travel, Jack Guy writes a lottery

587
00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:01,280
Speaker 4: with a twist and out of a cash prize, entrance

588
00:33:01,320 --> 00:33:03,600
Speaker 4: can instead win the chance to be buried in one

589
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Speaker 4: of the French capital's most celebrated cemeteries. Cemeteries within the

590
00:33:08,560 --> 00:33:11,040
Speaker 4: city walls have been almost full since the beginning of

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Speaker 4: the twentieth century, with the clearing of abandoned tombs complicated

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Speaker 4: by local regulations. Some of the ones we were just

593
00:33:17,560 --> 00:33:20,440
Speaker 4: talking about. If you do decide to go in for

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Speaker 4: this lottery and you win, you will be granted the

595
00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:27,360
Speaker 4: opportunity to buy and restore. This is a restoration slash,

596
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Speaker 4: you know, historic preservation effort one of the thirty tombs

597
00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:34,400
Speaker 4: in three of these different historic cemeteries, with city Hall

598
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Speaker 4: agreeing to the lease to lease rather the corresponding burial

599
00:33:38,280 --> 00:33:41,200
Speaker 4: plots to those who meet certain standards. In recent decades,

600
00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:44,600
Speaker 4: city Hall set in a statement cemetery visitors throughout France

601
00:33:45,040 --> 00:33:49,560
Speaker 4: have expressed an interest in restoring an historic funerary monument

602
00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:54,480
Speaker 4: in order to obtain a burial plot, concession and return. However,

603
00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:56,920
Speaker 4: the chance to do so has been complicated by laws

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Speaker 4: governing the land in which the tombs are located, which

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00:33:59,520 --> 00:34:02,240
Speaker 4: is owned by the state, as well as laws governing

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Speaker 4: the circumstances in which a family may rent the plot

607
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Speaker 4: for a period of time. So we've got ten plots

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Speaker 4: up for grabs in a pei Leschas cemetery which includes

609
00:34:13,840 --> 00:34:18,560
Speaker 4: one near or one's near Jim Morrison's grave. The front

610
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Speaker 4: man of the Doors taken from I Believe it all

611
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Speaker 4: This Huxley Yeah novel or a book called The Doors

612
00:34:24,560 --> 00:34:26,760
Speaker 4: of Perception where he talks about his drug addiction.

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00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:30,400
Speaker 3: Quick question nold for the rest of us in the

614
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Speaker 3: audience as well as me, what do we mean by

615
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Speaker 3: renting a plot? Does that mean that after the term expires,

616
00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:41,879
Speaker 3: similar to bunk them up, the person is disinterred.

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00:34:42,239 --> 00:34:45,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, that that didn't quite come up in this piece.

618
00:34:46,640 --> 00:34:49,279
Speaker 4: It looks like it's more like rent to own. I

619
00:34:49,320 --> 00:34:53,360
Speaker 4: think maybe the better term might be lease. But it

620
00:34:53,400 --> 00:34:57,680
Speaker 4: is a little confused in throwing that term rent. And

621
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Speaker 4: I think I pulled a little snippet from this paragraph earlier.

622
00:35:01,239 --> 00:35:02,680
Speaker 4: But let's just give us the whole thing, so mean

623
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Speaker 4: we can understand a little bit more. However, giving them

624
00:35:05,120 --> 00:35:06,920
Speaker 4: a chance to do so has been complicated by the

625
00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:09,240
Speaker 4: laws governing the land on which a tomb is located,

626
00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:12,600
Speaker 4: which is owned by the state, and concessions under which

627
00:35:12,640 --> 00:35:16,920
Speaker 4: a family rents the plot for a defined period of time.

628
00:35:17,960 --> 00:35:20,600
Speaker 4: It does not say what happens in that time period expires,

629
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Speaker 4: and I still don't understand how that's even possible. Given

630
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Speaker 4: the nature of burial. It seems like that would be

631
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Speaker 4: considered sacrilege and no one would sign up for that.

632
00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:32,120
Speaker 4: Why would I rent a burial plot knowing that it

633
00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:34,440
Speaker 4: was temporary, Like, what's the point of it?

634
00:35:34,520 --> 00:35:35,160
Speaker 5: Ah?

635
00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:37,480
Speaker 3: I can tell you, just to spin it out in

636
00:35:37,560 --> 00:35:42,520
Speaker 3: dystopian way, say you've got an alien relative that really

637
00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:45,920
Speaker 3: wants to be buried there, and you say, yeah, uncle Jimbo,

638
00:35:46,160 --> 00:35:49,759
Speaker 3: we'll put you right next to jim And then you know,

639
00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:54,640
Speaker 3: Uncle Jimbo is gone after well presumably they're not buried alive,

640
00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:57,279
Speaker 3: and so after that certain amount of time, I don't know,

641
00:35:57,400 --> 00:36:00,000
Speaker 3: it gets sticky real quick. As we know, there are

642
00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:04,439
Speaker 3: other parts of the world wherein burial is temporary. Right

643
00:36:04,640 --> 00:36:09,640
Speaker 3: in Japan, in parts of different parts of Central America,

644
00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:12,239
Speaker 3: you know you're in there for a minute, or you

645
00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:15,560
Speaker 3: might later get cremated to make room for other people,

646
00:36:15,600 --> 00:36:19,640
Speaker 3: depending on the water table, depending on the real estate. Well, god,

647
00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:21,040
Speaker 3: dozens of other variables.

648
00:36:21,239 --> 00:36:24,319
Speaker 4: Well gosh, but if I'm not mistaken, we've discussed some

649
00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:31,080
Speaker 4: issues there with people being interred upon previously interred individuals

650
00:36:31,160 --> 00:36:33,680
Speaker 4: and they're having been in Paris, I want to say

651
00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:36,840
Speaker 4: floods that caused bodies to literally come up out of

652
00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:42,719
Speaker 4: the muck and be disinterred through other nature's actions. You're

653
00:36:42,719 --> 00:36:45,680
Speaker 4: absolutely correct. I do seem to remember discussing that on

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Speaker 4: one of the podcasts that we do. I will give

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Speaker 4: a little bit more figures associated with this. I think

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Speaker 4: that's actually really interesting because it's a lot cheaper than

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Speaker 4: I would have thought given the historic context you know

658
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Speaker 4: of these places. So each existing tomb, the article says,

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Speaker 4: be available to buy for four thousand euros or forty

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Speaker 4: six hundred American, with the winners also on the hook

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Speaker 4: for restoration costs which are not specified, and I imagine

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Speaker 4: that's where the real money might come in. If you

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Speaker 4: are then responsible for a historic preservation project that could

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Speaker 4: get pricey pretty quick. They will then be able to

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Speaker 4: buy a lease, the cost of which starts at nine

666
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Speaker 4: hundred and seventy six euros twelve hundred dollars roughly eleven

667
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Speaker 4: to twenty rather for a ten year contract, and increases

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Speaker 4: to seventeen thousand, six hundred and sixty eight euros or

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Speaker 4: around twenty grand for the right to rest their in perpetuity.

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Speaker 4: Very convoluent pricing structures here. I don't quite understand much

671
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Speaker 4: of this. Frankly, last bit. Applications for the lottery open

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Speaker 4: on Monday and will close on December thirty first, according

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Speaker 4: to City Hall, with each entrant subject to a nominal

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Speaker 4: one hundred and twenty five euro registration fee. Seems like

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Speaker 4: a bit of a cash cow for the city.

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Speaker 3: It very much is. It kind of reminds me of

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Speaker 3: those deals you'll see folks if usip social meds, you

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00:38:00,600 --> 00:38:04,360
Speaker 3: may see various advertisements that say, hey, buy a house

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Speaker 3: for peanuts here in rural Italy or rural Japan or

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Speaker 3: this benighted part of Scandinavia. And then if you read

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Speaker 3: the fine print, it says you also are on the

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Speaker 3: hook for upkeep and restoration and renovation.

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Speaker 4: Codes prohibitively to the point of this whole thing. They

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Speaker 4: you know, folks that own historic properties, often there's a

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Speaker 4: lot of hidden costs and having to restore certain artifice,

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Speaker 4: certain features up to code in order to maintain the

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Speaker 4: the cultural integrity of the.

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Speaker 3: Right, like an historic landmark kind of thing. Yeah, we're

689
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Speaker 3: just going to tell you, folks, if someone's trying to

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Speaker 3: sell you a castle Americans.

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Speaker 4: Hear us.

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Speaker 3: Well, if someone in Europe is trying to sell you

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Speaker 3: a castle, it is way more expensive than it sounds. Also,

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Speaker 3: perhaps this is wholesome on behalf of the French government,

695
00:38:58,200 --> 00:39:02,400
Speaker 3: because our friends are wreck ignizing that an appeal to

696
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Speaker 3: narcissism and vanity is a great way to keep your

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Speaker 3: ancient cemeteries up to snuff.

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Speaker 4: Grandpa deserves to be buried next to these literary luminaries.

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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, he's a.

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Speaker 3: Bit of a Jim Morrison himself, he's seen some doors.

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Speaker 2: He was a bit of a lizard king. I love

702
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Speaker 2: the checklist. You guys, do you do you want to

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Speaker 2: be buried in historic cemetery?

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Speaker 4: Check?

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Speaker 2: Do you have thirty thousand dollars US just at hand

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Speaker 2: and ready to pay for this thing?

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Speaker 4: Oh?

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Speaker 2: Never mind?

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Speaker 4: Well, another thing that I don't think this. There's definitely

710
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Speaker 4: no indication that you are required to be a French citizen.

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Speaker 3: You're not.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I wouldn't think so. Jim Morrison certainly wasn't, nor

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Speaker 4: was Oscar Wild If I'm not mistaken, So pretty neat.

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Speaker 4: And I'm gonna end with this. I had another one

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Speaker 4: about AI and an open letter from let's see, I'm

716
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Speaker 4: just gonna say it real quick. Y'all can read upon

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Speaker 4: it yourselves. It's definitely interesting. Public Citizen is the name

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Speaker 4: of the group that is a watchdog group. This essentially

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Speaker 4: issued an open letter asking for open ai to withdraw

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Speaker 4: their sora to app because of just the utter chaos

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Speaker 4: it is reaking on just the believability of reporting, you know,

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Speaker 4: or getting to a point now where I've seen some

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Speaker 4: AB's where it's like, which one's the AI footage, like

724
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Speaker 4: people chopping onions and stuff, and I got it wrong

725
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Speaker 4: every time. And we're even hearing from experts, supposed experts

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Speaker 4: in the field that normally would be able to find

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Speaker 4: to tell some kind of indication that what you're seeing

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Speaker 4: is not to be believed, and that's becoming increasingly difficult.

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Speaker 4: So they're saying that in an effort to get ahead

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Speaker 4: of competitors, open ai released this tool, and it is

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Speaker 4: a indication of a quote consistent and dangerous pattern of

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Speaker 4: open ai rushing to market with the product that is

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Speaker 4: either inherently unsafe or lacking in needed guard rails. And

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Speaker 4: I'll just add I think the you know, let me

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Speaker 4: finish with their statement. Our biggest can is the potential

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Speaker 4: threat to democracy, said public citizen tech policy advocate JB. Branch.

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Speaker 4: I think we're entering a world in which people can't

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Speaker 4: really trust what they see, and we're starting to see

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Speaker 4: strategies in politics where the first image, the first video

740
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Speaker 4: that gets released is what people remember. And that's nothing new, y'all.

741
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Speaker 4: That's what everyone reads the headline, no one reads the retraction.

742
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Speaker 4: It's now an even more experiential version of that, and

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Speaker 4: I think it's absolutely dangerous. Altan is going to go anywhere.

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Speaker 4: An open letter, I don't know that I ever did much,

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Speaker 4: but it's it's just definitely signposting some real concerns that

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Speaker 4: I think we share here on stuff they don't want

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Speaker 4: you to know. Yeah, I don't know. Maybe let's let's

748
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Speaker 4: kick that around for a minute. I think it is

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Speaker 4: too important not to discuss, especially given some of what

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Speaker 4: we've already been discussing. This idea of things now being

751
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Speaker 4: claimed to be fake news or fake video or AI.

752
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Speaker 4: It's adding not only can we not trust it, we

753
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Speaker 4: can't trust whether the real thing is real because people

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Speaker 4: are saying calling into question because of where this stuff

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Speaker 4: is gone, then no, you shouldn't trust that, even if

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Speaker 4: it may well, be the truth.

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Speaker 2: You know what we're gonna see really soon, guys, uh

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Speaker 2: Sora for emails, it just makes fake emails and then

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Speaker 2: you can say, oh, those emails weren't real.

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Speaker 4: Well, that's a thing that it's interesting you say that

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Speaker 4: Matt I was hanging out with the buddy of mine

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Speaker 4: yesterday and it was I believe the third time I've

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Speaker 4: heard from someone who works in corporate America saying how

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Speaker 4: the biggest implementation that's being pushed for of chat, GPT

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Speaker 4: and assisted AI productivity tools is to fully write the

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Speaker 4: emails for reasons of self preservation and protecting because the

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Speaker 4: bot knows what not to say, what not to admit to. Maybe,

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Speaker 4: I argue, I think we all do that. It's creates

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Speaker 4: more work than it actually solves a problem. But yeah,

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Speaker 4: that's really already happening.

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Speaker 2: It'll be scary when they can write emails from twenty eleven.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't know that's a good point. What do

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Speaker 4: you think, Ben? I know that we're very much on

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Speaker 4: the same page about the pitfalls and knock on consequences

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Speaker 4: of this move fast and break stuff mentality.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'll keep it brief, but there's a thing I

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Speaker 3: almost sent all of us and fellow listeners. If you

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Speaker 3: want to hear it, or if you want to read

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Speaker 3: this yourself, check out check out a poll recently published

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Speaker 3: today to November twelfth. As we're recording this, a survey

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Speaker 3: shows that ninety seven percent of respondents cannot differentiate AI

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Speaker 3: music from the quote unquote real thing. Now. I know

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Speaker 3: we're running super long on our weekly strange news segment here,

784
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Speaker 3: but I do appreciate you bringing this up, not because

785
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Speaker 3: it's going to become increasingly apparent that the pendulum is

786
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Speaker 3: swinging wildly here from people. People tend to support the

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Speaker 3: idea of AI automation until it endangers them and then

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Speaker 3: we see a full one point eighty. But I love

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Speaker 3: to do a full episode in the future about deep

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Speaker 3: fakes AI generated music and all those people scrutined by

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Speaker 3: on emails, they did not write.

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Speaker 4: A million percent, and that's exactly where it's had been.

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Speaker 4: That's that's something I think we've got more than enough

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Speaker 4: material to rock that full length episode, and I will

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Speaker 4: just add the last thing and then move on to

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Speaker 4: our final segment. The normalization of this stuff by virtue

797
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Speaker 4: of it seeming like a fun parlor trick that can

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Speaker 4: make mister Rogers do juggling, you know, or Stephen Hawking

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Speaker 4: skate on a halfpipe. That I think is a is

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Speaker 4: a a conscious effort to make these technologies feel harmless.

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Speaker 4: And I think in that it's even more dangerous because

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Speaker 4: you have folks being, you know, beguiled by the goofy

803
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Speaker 4: kind of parlor trick of it all, and it causes

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Speaker 4: them to maybe overlook the real danger. So here you go.

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Speaker 4: Let's take a quick break here whor from our sponsor,

806
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Speaker 4: and then we'll come back with more strange news.

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Speaker 3: And we have returned, I want to give a shout

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Speaker 3: out real quick to everyone who clocked the idea of

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Speaker 3: the First Amendment in our earlier conversation at the first

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Speaker 3: act of our weekly strange news segment. So, folks, let's

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Speaker 3: set it up this way. In the US and abroad,

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Speaker 3: we are all, as as Noel mentioned, unfortunately, used to

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Speaker 3: wild claims and clear hogwash. Here in the States, A

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Speaker 3: lot of that is protected under a little something we

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Speaker 3: call the First Amendment. It reads the following, if we

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Speaker 3: could get a little fife, well founding fathers music, Tennessee,

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Speaker 3: thank you.

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Speaker 6: Cadres shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion,

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Speaker 6: or prohibiting the free exercise thereof, or abridging the freedom

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Speaker 6: of speech or of the press, or the right of

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Speaker 6: the people peacefully to assembly and to petition the Government

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Speaker 6: Address of grievances.

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Speaker 3: Thank you, Thank you Senator Frederick for at Senator Brown

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Speaker 3: as well, for our purposes today. Look, folks, the First

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Speaker 3: Amendment has a ton of stuff in there, real quick.

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Speaker 3: Let's unpack it. They're saying separation of church and state.

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Speaker 3: They're also saying you can worship how you want. They're

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Speaker 3: also saying, if you are the press, you can talk

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Speaker 3: stuff without getting black bagged. They're also saying, even if

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Speaker 3: you're dumb, you can say what you want, even if

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Speaker 3: you are wrong. For instance, like you are an avid

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Speaker 3: flat earther and feel free to send an email if

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Speaker 3: you can prove flat earth. But they're saying, even if

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Speaker 3: you are demonstrably wrong, you can say what you want.

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Speaker 3: You can even put together a little hangout session on

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Speaker 3: the corner of your favorite Means Street or high street,

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Speaker 3: and you can get together and you can say whatever

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Speaker 3: kakameimi idea you care about.

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Speaker 2: You just have to be influential, right, and a good speaker.

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Speaker 3: You just have to. You just have to also not

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Speaker 3: threaten people directly. You can't say the Earth is flat,

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00:47:19,239 --> 00:47:23,480
Speaker 3: let's you know, kill the Prime Minister of Slovakia or some.

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Speaker 4: Other made up thing.

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Speaker 3: So that for our purposes today, for this last act

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Speaker 3: of our weekly Strange News segment and program, we have

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Speaker 3: to note this passage of the United States Founding Documents

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Speaker 3: means again you can just talk trash. You do not

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Speaker 3: have to be an expert. You can raise your voice

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Speaker 3: in a public forum. You can hear here in a

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Speaker 3: physical online or you know wherever people gather a forum

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Speaker 3: of some sort. And as we record this program on

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Speaker 3: November twelfth, the First Amendment is again endangered in the

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Speaker 3: United Slates States. There are a lot of cases of

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Speaker 3: this conflict. Like we've all seen it, right, Political officials

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00:48:05,760 --> 00:48:09,799
Speaker 3: are demanding rollbacks of things that were once treated as

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Speaker 3: best practices, established medical things like vaccinating your kids from

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Speaker 3: whooping cough right, which is whooping coughs having a moment,

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Speaker 3: as we all saw in Texas and in Florida, because

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Speaker 3: people are vaccinating less. We don't have to get into

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Speaker 3: that bag of badgers. But we know professors, researchers and

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Speaker 3: scientists are being silenced. There is a great brain drain

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Speaker 3: of foot and it will spell disaster and doom for

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Speaker 3: America's primacy in the new World order. And China proponents

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Speaker 3: argue is thinking ahead. There is a new thing happening

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Speaker 3: as we record. If you are an influencer in the

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Speaker 3: nation of China and you are speaking about specific areas

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Speaker 3: of expertise, you will now have to prove to the

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Speaker 3: Chiese government.

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Speaker 4: That you have your bona fides.

870
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Speaker 3: You will have to be able to say, hey, I'm

871
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Speaker 3: talking about medical stuff because I'm a medical person.

872
00:49:10,719 --> 00:49:15,080
Speaker 2: Oh guys, I'm torn on this one. Yeah, I may partially,

873
00:49:15,640 --> 00:49:16,760
Speaker 2: I may partially agree.

874
00:49:17,440 --> 00:49:19,880
Speaker 3: That's what I'm thinking. Man Like, that's the that's the

875
00:49:19,920 --> 00:49:23,080
Speaker 3: real pickle of it. That's the badger in the bag here,

876
00:49:23,160 --> 00:49:27,400
Speaker 3: because this is maybe old beings for people who are

877
00:49:27,400 --> 00:49:30,160
Speaker 3: a little more plugged in for us. But China is

878
00:49:30,200 --> 00:49:36,920
Speaker 3: officially requiring university degrees for influencers discussing specifically medicine, law

879
00:49:37,440 --> 00:49:40,239
Speaker 3: or finance. And finance is tricky because a lot of

880
00:49:40,280 --> 00:49:44,640
Speaker 3: people who have degrees in finance don't know what they're

881
00:49:44,680 --> 00:49:45,600
Speaker 3: talking about.

882
00:49:45,560 --> 00:49:47,080
Speaker 2: Or they already drink the kool aid.

883
00:49:47,320 --> 00:49:49,400
Speaker 3: Or they drink the kool aid. Yeah, because it's kind

884
00:49:49,440 --> 00:49:51,200
Speaker 3: of a religion, right, it's a dogma.

885
00:49:51,640 --> 00:49:55,719
Speaker 2: Whoa Okay, but so so then you're only you're only

886
00:49:55,760 --> 00:49:59,440
Speaker 2: really allowed to in some minor way, parrot the things

887
00:49:59,480 --> 00:50:02,920
Speaker 2: that you learn in school, like the official versions of

888
00:50:02,920 --> 00:50:03,799
Speaker 2: how this stuff works.

889
00:50:03,880 --> 00:50:08,759
Speaker 3: Right, great question and not not fully correct. You can

890
00:50:09,000 --> 00:50:14,640
Speaker 3: disagree with status quo. You can pose alternative stuff if

891
00:50:14,680 --> 00:50:18,359
Speaker 3: you come up to you know, like let's say you're

892
00:50:18,560 --> 00:50:22,880
Speaker 3: on social media and China like Doulin, which is basically

893
00:50:22,960 --> 00:50:26,279
Speaker 3: their TikTok now, and you say, hey, I think you

894
00:50:26,280 --> 00:50:29,960
Speaker 3: should maintain a urine loop for for your health Steve

895
00:50:30,000 --> 00:50:34,120
Speaker 3: Brutle style. Well, then it's okay for you to say

896
00:50:34,120 --> 00:50:37,680
Speaker 3: that if you follow it up with also, I have

897
00:50:37,719 --> 00:50:42,000
Speaker 3: a medical degree, so I can say all the beat

898
00:50:42,040 --> 00:50:44,200
Speaker 3: me here at Tennessee, I could say all the wild

899
00:50:44,480 --> 00:50:49,319
Speaker 3: and I want h oh, you could just met met it.

900
00:50:49,640 --> 00:50:53,880
Speaker 3: So the this is coming to us from our good

901
00:50:53,960 --> 00:50:58,879
Speaker 3: friends over at the Cyberspace Administration of China or CAC,

902
00:50:59,400 --> 00:51:02,920
Speaker 3: and they're doing this in coordination with the Ministry of

903
00:51:02,960 --> 00:51:06,680
Speaker 3: Culture and Tourism of the PRC People's Republic of China.

904
00:51:07,080 --> 00:51:09,640
Speaker 3: If you want to learn, if you want a great

905
00:51:09,680 --> 00:51:12,440
Speaker 3: primer on this before we get to the discussion that

906
00:51:12,440 --> 00:51:16,799
Speaker 3: I'm quite excited about. Do check out Law for Everything.

907
00:51:17,080 --> 00:51:21,719
Speaker 3: Law for Everything published an awesome primer here on November one,

908
00:51:22,000 --> 00:51:27,479
Speaker 3: twenty twenty five, and it walks through exactly what has

909
00:51:27,520 --> 00:51:28,040
Speaker 3: to happen.

910
00:51:28,440 --> 00:51:29,400
Speaker 4: This is happening.

911
00:51:29,440 --> 00:51:32,120
Speaker 3: By the way, if you are an influencer in China

912
00:51:32,239 --> 00:51:36,160
Speaker 3: talking about these things to the public all mass then

913
00:51:36,400 --> 00:51:42,239
Speaker 3: you have until pretty much the end of December to

914
00:51:42,280 --> 00:51:49,160
Speaker 3: show up, show out or GTFO. They will not necessarily

915
00:51:49,200 --> 00:51:52,840
Speaker 3: throw you in prison, but they will give you an

916
00:51:52,880 --> 00:51:55,880
Speaker 3: egregious fine. And once you get as we all know

917
00:51:56,239 --> 00:52:00,000
Speaker 3: anybody who's spent some time there, once you get flagged

918
00:52:00,080 --> 00:52:02,960
Speaker 3: by the government, once that saarn eye is on you,

919
00:52:03,440 --> 00:52:07,600
Speaker 3: it's very easy to disappear and maybe lose a kidney,

920
00:52:08,200 --> 00:52:11,760
Speaker 3: maybe a liver. No thank you, that's what they're saying.

921
00:52:12,200 --> 00:52:14,440
Speaker 3: So this is this is the question. This is what

922
00:52:14,560 --> 00:52:18,360
Speaker 3: I think we're We're all Natalie and Bruglia level torn

923
00:52:18,400 --> 00:52:25,759
Speaker 3: about it is. Philosophically, it's kind of a win to

924
00:52:26,760 --> 00:52:32,480
Speaker 3: prevent vulnerable prejulicue people from being exposed to absolute.

925
00:52:32,080 --> 00:52:33,880
Speaker 4: Malarkey, right to hogwash.

926
00:52:34,520 --> 00:52:38,440
Speaker 3: It would be kind of cool if we knew somebody

927
00:52:38,719 --> 00:52:43,759
Speaker 3: was speaking from a position of expertise or experience, were

928
00:52:43,840 --> 00:52:51,359
Speaker 3: considered concentrated thought, but it violates the First Amendment? Like

929
00:52:51,400 --> 00:52:55,959
Speaker 3: should the US do this? Should the US have everybody

930
00:52:56,320 --> 00:53:01,040
Speaker 3: who argues for consuming silver or gold? Should they have

931
00:53:01,080 --> 00:53:05,480
Speaker 3: to be a doctor or at the very least an economist.

932
00:53:06,520 --> 00:53:10,240
Speaker 2: One of the major problems with this version of the Internet,

933
00:53:10,480 --> 00:53:14,560
Speaker 2: as a Dylan mentioned in our chat here, is that

934
00:53:14,600 --> 00:53:20,960
Speaker 2: the misinformation disinformation just specifically misinformation runs so rampant, specifically

935
00:53:21,000 --> 00:53:23,600
Speaker 2: across social media feeds, and that that open form that

936
00:53:23,640 --> 00:53:27,000
Speaker 2: we're talking about in the First Amendment protects that. It

937
00:53:27,000 --> 00:53:30,080
Speaker 2: it becomes so confusing for people who end up isolated

938
00:53:30,200 --> 00:53:32,520
Speaker 2: in a you know, specific bubble. And that's all of us,

939
00:53:32,520 --> 00:53:36,400
Speaker 2: by the way. So I do wonder if you had

940
00:53:36,800 --> 00:53:39,080
Speaker 2: people who knew what they were talking about talking about

941
00:53:39,080 --> 00:53:44,560
Speaker 2: this stuff, would that then foster the real uh what

942
00:53:44,680 --> 00:53:46,839
Speaker 2: is the what is? There's terms for this? But like

943
00:53:46,880 --> 00:53:50,880
Speaker 2: that the connecting of people who have ideas and then

944
00:53:51,120 --> 00:53:56,520
Speaker 2: having conversations about those ideas and then forming new ones. Yes, yes,

945
00:53:56,640 --> 00:53:59,319
Speaker 2: that like it feels like you could foster that if

946
00:53:59,400 --> 00:54:02,400
Speaker 2: you didn't hose some kind of rules like that and

947
00:54:02,440 --> 00:54:05,000
Speaker 2: then everybody else could comment on it if they wanted to,

948
00:54:05,120 --> 00:54:08,640
Speaker 2: if they aren't informed. But again that it's so restricting.

949
00:54:09,239 --> 00:54:12,680
Speaker 3: That's another Yeah, You've raised some great issues here because

950
00:54:14,160 --> 00:54:18,920
Speaker 3: first you have to have any content that offers advice

951
00:54:19,000 --> 00:54:23,080
Speaker 3: or commentary will be accompanied by this three things. You

952
00:54:23,120 --> 00:54:26,080
Speaker 3: have to have clear indication of credentials of the speaker,

953
00:54:26,360 --> 00:54:29,839
Speaker 3: you have to have citation of appropriate sources. And you

954
00:54:29,920 --> 00:54:34,719
Speaker 3: have to have disclosure on whether or not artificial intelligence

955
00:54:34,800 --> 00:54:39,480
Speaker 3: is used or if there's a dramaticization so what we

956
00:54:39,520 --> 00:54:42,319
Speaker 3: would call it recree in like a true crime thing.

957
00:54:42,719 --> 00:54:45,800
Speaker 3: So you have to be able to say, like, hey,

958
00:54:45,920 --> 00:54:49,440
Speaker 3: this is not the actual Thomas Jefferson, who was alive,

959
00:54:49,840 --> 00:54:55,480
Speaker 3: you know, and died well before motion cameras existed, So

960
00:54:55,680 --> 00:55:00,000
Speaker 3: not the real Tommy. Also I am a real historian. Also,

961
00:55:00,080 --> 00:55:04,479
Speaker 3: so here is the paper that I'm reacting to. This

962
00:55:04,600 --> 00:55:12,239
Speaker 3: doesn't stop people from necessarily posing alternative commentary, right, but

963
00:55:12,360 --> 00:55:17,200
Speaker 3: it does seem to heighten the barrier to entry. And

964
00:55:17,280 --> 00:55:22,279
Speaker 3: one of the dangerous consequences of this could be and

965
00:55:22,320 --> 00:55:25,200
Speaker 3: this is just gaming it through, right, this could be

966
00:55:25,920 --> 00:55:29,960
Speaker 3: leading to a situation wherein those experts who are qualified

967
00:55:30,520 --> 00:55:33,160
Speaker 3: by the Chinese government are then.

968
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Speaker 4: Told what is appropriate to speak about.

969
00:55:36,200 --> 00:55:42,000
Speaker 3: They get an Overton window of medicine, finance, science, space exploration.

970
00:55:42,360 --> 00:55:45,040
Speaker 4: You're a looping, et cetera. Dude.

971
00:55:45,040 --> 00:55:48,319
Speaker 2: It makes me think about Avi Lobe and like having

972
00:55:48,400 --> 00:55:50,799
Speaker 2: all those bona fides that he has in you know,

973
00:55:51,320 --> 00:55:55,040
Speaker 2: holding that position, but still saying things on his own medium,

974
00:55:55,120 --> 00:55:59,120
Speaker 2: you know, his website essentially on medium and saying things

975
00:55:59,120 --> 00:56:00,960
Speaker 2: that end up getting caught minted on by us and

976
00:56:01,040 --> 00:56:04,279
Speaker 2: everybody else out there in Joe Rogan. And then how

977
00:56:04,320 --> 00:56:07,160
Speaker 2: somebody with bona fides can end up putting so many

978
00:56:08,200 --> 00:56:11,719
Speaker 2: differing ideas that are outside of the mainstream into the distroys.

979
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Speaker 4: Yeah, and like I mean, yeah, having a being smart

980
00:56:15,520 --> 00:56:19,400
Speaker 4: on paper it does not preclude individuals from being nuts

981
00:56:19,440 --> 00:56:23,359
Speaker 4: about other things. I think history has shown that. Yeah, Yeah,

982
00:56:23,400 --> 00:56:24,040
Speaker 4: that's a great point.

983
00:56:24,320 --> 00:56:27,040
Speaker 3: Like we were talking about earlier, I was, I was

984
00:56:27,680 --> 00:56:30,920
Speaker 3: listening to one of our previous conversations where we pointed

985
00:56:30,960 --> 00:56:34,880
Speaker 3: out that being an expert in one field of science

986
00:56:34,960 --> 00:56:39,239
Speaker 3: doesn't automatically make you an expert in every related field. Like,

987
00:56:39,320 --> 00:56:42,759
Speaker 3: for instance, a podiatrist is going to be very quick

988
00:56:42,800 --> 00:56:47,080
Speaker 3: to say they're not an expert on ophthalmology, which is

989
00:56:47,440 --> 00:56:52,400
Speaker 3: the right thing. Like a astrophysicist is also going to

990
00:56:52,440 --> 00:56:56,120
Speaker 3: be quick to say, I'm not necessarily an expert on

991
00:56:56,160 --> 00:57:02,319
Speaker 3: this other aspect of studies of space. So I think

992
00:57:02,320 --> 00:57:05,520
Speaker 3: the real question for us here, and we can't wait

993
00:57:05,520 --> 00:57:10,800
Speaker 3: to hear from you, fellow conspiracy realists, is whether something

994
00:57:11,239 --> 00:57:15,560
Speaker 3: like this in should exist in the United States. If so,

995
00:57:15,920 --> 00:57:17,280
Speaker 3: how would it be enforced?

996
00:57:17,320 --> 00:57:17,520
Speaker 4: Now?

997
00:57:18,040 --> 00:57:22,400
Speaker 3: Uncle G is saying that. Sorry, Uncle G's boys are

998
00:57:22,520 --> 00:57:28,000
Speaker 3: saying that. The they're saying that if you are not qualified, right,

999
00:57:28,160 --> 00:57:32,880
Speaker 3: if you've made millions of followers on your Chinese social

1000
00:57:32,960 --> 00:57:39,000
Speaker 3: media of choice, they say, you don't have to automatically

1001
00:57:39,400 --> 00:57:43,520
Speaker 3: shut down your circus tent. You have to stop talking

1002
00:57:43,560 --> 00:57:46,440
Speaker 3: about this stuff, or you have to go to school,

1003
00:57:47,000 --> 00:57:51,440
Speaker 3: which I think is like a very parental, maybe patriarchical.

1004
00:57:51,560 --> 00:57:53,480
Speaker 3: Maybe you're a welliant thing, but it's a way out.

1005
00:57:53,520 --> 00:57:55,680
Speaker 3: It's an off ramp to say, hey, you pretend to

1006
00:57:55,720 --> 00:57:57,240
Speaker 3: be a doctor, go be a doctor.

1007
00:57:57,480 --> 00:57:59,280
Speaker 4: I'm not a doctor. I just play one on TV

1008
00:57:59,560 --> 00:58:02,080
Speaker 4: or on my podcasts. Right, I mean, but is this

1009
00:58:02,160 --> 00:58:04,840
Speaker 4: all a free speech issue too? Like people are allowed

1010
00:58:04,880 --> 00:58:07,960
Speaker 4: to be quacks, like you're allowed to say random, and

1011
00:58:08,000 --> 00:58:12,400
Speaker 4: they're the barrier to proving that someone is spouting out

1012
00:58:12,520 --> 00:58:17,000
Speaker 4: dangerous information in this country at least seems real high

1013
00:58:18,480 --> 00:58:22,800
Speaker 4: Like to prove malice in spreading quote unquote misinformation just

1014
00:58:22,800 --> 00:58:24,520
Speaker 4: seems to be like the order of the day.

1015
00:58:25,800 --> 00:58:27,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I appreciate you bringing that up, because that's

1016
00:58:28,000 --> 00:58:30,000
Speaker 3: what we're kind of talking about at the top. The

1017
00:58:30,040 --> 00:58:35,840
Speaker 3: First Amendment says, no matter how uninformed or demonstrably wrong

1018
00:58:35,920 --> 00:58:39,360
Speaker 3: your ideas are, you have a right to say those ideas,

1019
00:58:39,360 --> 00:58:42,520
Speaker 3: and indeed you can form a club for those ideas,

1020
00:58:42,800 --> 00:58:46,520
Speaker 3: even if it's something like secretly all human beings do

1021
00:58:46,640 --> 00:58:50,640
Speaker 3: have tails and they're just cut off because of big medicine,

1022
00:58:50,640 --> 00:58:53,320
Speaker 3: then you could totally do that here. Well as malleable as.

1023
00:58:53,240 --> 00:58:55,240
Speaker 4: The Constitution is supposed to be, I would argue, the

1024
00:58:55,240 --> 00:58:58,880
Speaker 4: founding fathers definitely didn't think about the Internet or didn't

1025
00:58:58,920 --> 00:59:03,120
Speaker 4: foresee away and information can be spread so quickly, and

1026
00:59:03,160 --> 00:59:05,320
Speaker 4: now we have these extra layers with like not even

1027
00:59:05,320 --> 00:59:07,440
Speaker 4: being able to try to trust the information that you

1028
00:59:07,520 --> 00:59:09,160
Speaker 4: get so rapidly.

1029
00:59:09,520 --> 00:59:12,920
Speaker 3: And yeah, that's why it's a it's a pitch meeting.

1030
00:59:13,000 --> 00:59:15,640
Speaker 3: That's why they didn't know about nuclear weapons. They never

1031
00:59:15,720 --> 00:59:20,280
Speaker 3: thought of semi automatic firearms. They didn't think there would

1032
00:59:20,280 --> 00:59:23,320
Speaker 3: be a world where people didn't wear wigs and stockings

1033
00:59:23,320 --> 00:59:24,560
Speaker 3: at fancy events.

1034
00:59:25,000 --> 00:59:28,960
Speaker 2: Do you think they foresaw how influential cats would be

1035
00:59:29,040 --> 00:59:29,640
Speaker 2: in the future.

1036
00:59:30,320 --> 00:59:31,280
Speaker 4: Did they predict furries?

1037
00:59:31,400 --> 00:59:34,560
Speaker 3: Is that your question said they knew about cats? Yeah,

1038
00:59:34,560 --> 00:59:36,680
Speaker 3: because that's ancient Egypt right there.

1039
00:59:36,880 --> 00:59:41,520
Speaker 2: You know just how much they would fully take over everything.

1040
00:59:41,880 --> 00:59:45,560
Speaker 3: Were they aware of toxoplasmosis? This is our question? Yeah,

1041
00:59:45,600 --> 00:59:48,040
Speaker 3: I mean this is so, this is the thing I

1042
00:59:48,040 --> 00:59:53,200
Speaker 3: think we I hope that we provided some context here.

1043
00:59:53,280 --> 00:59:56,040
Speaker 3: And one thing I love that we we all kind

1044
00:59:56,080 --> 01:00:00,160
Speaker 3: of said at the top was yes, maybe speakers should

1045
01:00:00,160 --> 01:00:04,800
Speaker 3: be informed, you know, on their subject of choice. I

1046
01:00:04,800 --> 01:00:07,240
Speaker 3: also want to go back to something that Matt said earlier,

1047
01:00:07,600 --> 01:00:13,080
Speaker 3: which is misinformation versus disinformation. Disinformation is when someone is

1048
01:00:13,200 --> 01:00:17,600
Speaker 3: purposely trying to screw you over or swindle you intellectually.

1049
01:00:18,240 --> 01:00:24,440
Speaker 3: Misinformation is when someone with very good intentions is also incorrect.

1050
01:00:24,600 --> 01:00:28,520
Speaker 3: So if somebody is selling a book about the flat

1051
01:00:28,560 --> 01:00:31,000
Speaker 3: Earth and they know the Earth is round and they

1052
01:00:31,000 --> 01:00:33,640
Speaker 3: are still selling the book, that is disinformation.

1053
01:00:33,840 --> 01:00:37,200
Speaker 4: So it's not illegal to be dumb. Basically, it can't

1054
01:00:37,200 --> 01:00:38,440
Speaker 4: be illegal to be dumb.

1055
01:00:39,440 --> 01:00:42,520
Speaker 3: That feels very wrong and I know.

1056
01:00:42,520 --> 01:00:44,440
Speaker 4: It's reductive the way I'm putting it, and I'm not

1057
01:00:44,640 --> 01:00:47,320
Speaker 4: trying to talk smacked anybody, but that is the heart

1058
01:00:47,400 --> 01:00:49,760
Speaker 4: of the issue right in in a way.

1059
01:00:50,000 --> 01:00:54,440
Speaker 3: Well to finish the comparison there too, if somebody genuinely

1060
01:00:54,480 --> 01:00:57,360
Speaker 3: believes the earth is flat and they're selling a book,

1061
01:00:57,560 --> 01:01:01,360
Speaker 3: then that's misinformation. And how could we fault them for

1062
01:01:01,560 --> 01:01:03,760
Speaker 3: putting their beliefs out there?

1063
01:01:04,160 --> 01:01:04,320
Speaker 6: Right?

1064
01:01:04,720 --> 01:01:09,960
Speaker 3: Like, why would we hit someone with a egregious fine

1065
01:01:10,040 --> 01:01:13,560
Speaker 3: or ruin their lives because they didn't know what they

1066
01:01:13,600 --> 01:01:14,400
Speaker 3: were talking about?

1067
01:01:14,480 --> 01:01:17,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, buts sadly, it's very difficult to run a test

1068
01:01:17,880 --> 01:01:20,720
Speaker 4: to see whether politicians truly believe in the Lord and

1069
01:01:20,720 --> 01:01:23,120
Speaker 4: Savior of Jesus Christ and the word of the Bible.

1070
01:01:23,160 --> 01:01:28,360
Speaker 4: And therefore we see weaponization and misdirection and misuse of that,

1071
01:01:29,080 --> 01:01:33,000
Speaker 4: you know, under the guise of true belief. I think

1072
01:01:33,000 --> 01:01:35,480
Speaker 4: it exists. I think true belief exists for some of

1073
01:01:35,480 --> 01:01:38,680
Speaker 4: these folks. But I also think it's hijacked and it

1074
01:01:38,760 --> 01:01:41,200
Speaker 4: is a loophole that you can't prove that I don't

1075
01:01:41,240 --> 01:01:45,280
Speaker 4: believe that. Therefore, I'm basing all of my acts and

1076
01:01:46,000 --> 01:01:48,400
Speaker 4: opinions on this thing and saying that I believe it

1077
01:01:48,480 --> 01:01:51,480
Speaker 4: and therefore I'm not giving disinformation.

1078
01:01:52,480 --> 01:01:54,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, which is why Uncle G and the boys are

1079
01:01:54,680 --> 01:01:58,520
Speaker 3: starting at the university or credentialed level. So if you

1080
01:01:58,640 --> 01:02:03,280
Speaker 3: have a if you have a platform online in China

1081
01:02:03,440 --> 01:02:07,040
Speaker 3: where you are the go to person on how to

1082
01:02:07,200 --> 01:02:10,360
Speaker 3: put out fires right or how to prevent bridges from

1083
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Speaker 3: collapsing shout out to that recent bridge collapse which I

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Speaker 3: think we all saw, then you need to have those qualifications.

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Speaker 3: You can't just be some guy vibing on how to

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Speaker 3: put out the fire in the apartment block. You can't

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Speaker 3: be some guy who grew up just sort of liking bridges.

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Speaker 3: You gotta know engineering, you gotta know how to be

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Speaker 3: a firefighter. You can if you are unqualified under this law,

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Speaker 3: fellow Chinese conspiracy realist, you can pivot to topics outside

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Speaker 3: of the regulated stuff. So if you have a big

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Speaker 3: law blog blob blog blog.

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Speaker 4: Mob blah blah blah, yeah.

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Speaker 3: Yeah you can go. You can say, hey, our channels

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Speaker 3: switch and direction. Now I talk about watches, restwatches, fancy watch,

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Speaker 3: you know, whatever case it is, it doesn't matter. But

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Speaker 3: I think our question now is should the United States

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Speaker 3: take a cue from our friends over the Pacific people

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Speaker 3: have died due to disinformation and to misinformation. And to

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Speaker 3: the earlier point, you were getting at their no with

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Speaker 3: false claims of religious belief. There is no law in

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Speaker 3: China against cynicism, right, it's just about information and disinfo

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Speaker 3: or misinfo. There is no law against cynicism here in

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Speaker 3: the United States. Actually, there's no law against let me

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Speaker 3: let me think back off the dom here. There is

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Speaker 3: no law against cynicism anywhere in current human civilization. It's

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Speaker 3: just such a natural thing. It'd be like making a

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Speaker 3: law against pooping, yeah, or sarcasm.

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Speaker 4: Yeah. But I guess that's my point too, is like

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Speaker 4: how can you prove any of these things? Like how

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Speaker 4: can you prove that I'm being cynical? Maybe I'm just

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Speaker 4: being realistic, you know what I mean, Like one person's

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Speaker 4: cynical is another person's something else.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. That's why I'm returning again to how smart they

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Speaker 3: were by saying it must be the following three fields,

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Speaker 3: and it must be the expertise must be proven in

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Speaker 3: those fields, and if not, you get a fine, you

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Speaker 3: might get shut down. You will get shut down, and

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Speaker 3: then you may get a chance to pivot to different topics.

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Speaker 3: So again, I think our thesis question here is should

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Speaker 3: the United States take the queue? Should? I mean people

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Speaker 3: have again died due to disinformation misinformation here in the US, right,

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Speaker 3: So if that is an opportunity to save people, should

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Speaker 3: we have credentialed experts or to what degree does that

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Speaker 3: imperil the First Amendment?

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Speaker 2: Oh, I've got a question, yes, sir, if it were

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Speaker 2: in place here in the US, in this sure you know, conceptual,

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Speaker 2: in this world where it happens, would we still be

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Speaker 2: able to make this show. I knew you were going

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Speaker 2: to ask as a degree, not a not a newsboy.

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Speaker 2: Oh no, no, no, not anymore, not anymore.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's that's something that I think is true. Now,

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Speaker 3: we of course do our level best to say what

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Speaker 3: we don't know, right, And we are grateful for you

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Speaker 3: the most important part of the show, our fellow conspiracy realist,

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Speaker 3: who are experts in all sorts of fields, and we

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Speaker 3: can't thank you enough for lending your expertise to us

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Speaker 3: and your fellow listeners. But I do posit to that

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Speaker 3: question kind of anticipated there, Matt, I do posit it

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Speaker 3: would massively change the landscape of the United States, not

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Speaker 3: just for you know, little David v Goliath podcasters like us,

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Speaker 3: but also for political pundits, also for and this is

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Speaker 3: the youmami, this is the juicy part at the end

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Speaker 3: political officials.

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Speaker 2: Mm hmm. Yeah, but you didn't answer the question, or

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Speaker 2: would we still be able to make the show.

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Speaker 4: We'd be fine. Okay, we'd be fine.

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Speaker 2: Because no, you have aye, both of you guys have

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Speaker 2: degrees that would match up. Yeah, we'd be fine. We'd

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Speaker 2: we'd have to maybe narrow the scope of what we

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Speaker 2: talk about a little bit.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, our days of big foots out right? Wait, unless

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Speaker 3: we could get a bigfoot degree. Tell us about it, folks,

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Speaker 3: and shout out to everybody who saw the northern lights

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Speaker 3: as far south as Florida. There's a ton of stuff

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Speaker 3: we didn't get to. Elon Musk wants the Optimist robot

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Speaker 3: to help pre crime. You can't get one for free.

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Speaker 2: And since we last talked about that last week, he

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Speaker 2: got approved for that one trillion dollar Bay package.

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Speaker 3: We're entering the era of the k shaped economy, which

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Speaker 3: speaks to that point, Matt. There's so much to get

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Speaker 3: to here. Thank you again for tuning in, folks. We

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Speaker 3: know we ran a little bit long on this, but

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Speaker 3: what do you think about the First Amendment and the

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Speaker 3: idea of requiring university degrees to be an influencer. We'd

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Speaker 3: love to hear your thoughts. You can find us on

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Speaker 3: the internet. You can give us a telephone call. You

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Speaker 3: can always write to us via email.

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Speaker 4: That's right. You can find us on the internet if

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Speaker 4: you wish to do so at the handle of Conspiracy Stuff,

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Speaker 4: where we exist on Facebook where our Facebook group here

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Speaker 4: is where it gets crazy. You can get in another conversation.

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Speaker 4: There a bunch of cool folks. We also exist at

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Speaker 4: Conspiracy Stuff on YouTube. We have video content galore for

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Speaker 4: you to enjoy, as well as on axfka, Twitter, on

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Speaker 4: Instagram and TikTok. On the other hand, we're Conspiracy Stuff Show.

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Speaker 2: We have a phone number. It is one eight to

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Speaker 2: three three std WYTK Breaking news guys in New York City.

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Speaker 2: Right now, there is a giant solid gold toilet. It's

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Speaker 2: just a regular sized functioning toilet made of solid gold.

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Speaker 2: It is for auction right now starting around ten point

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Speaker 2: two million.

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Speaker 4: My toilet.

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Speaker 3: I have to go.

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Speaker 2: What would you do with it?

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Speaker 3: I have to go on several levels right now?

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Speaker 4: Is it a toto washlet?

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Speaker 2: Ooh, ooh, where will this toilet end up?

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Speaker 4: All right?

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Speaker 2: If you want to call us, do if you want

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01:08:15,440 --> 01:08:17,519
Speaker 2: to send us an email, we are the.

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Speaker 3: Entities that read each piece of correspondence we receive. Be

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Speaker 3: well aware, yet I'm afraid sometimes the void writes back.

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Speaker 3: Shout out to the Yule lads. Also shout out to

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Speaker 3: the Thai government. The Kingdom of Thailand did conspire to

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Speaker 3: make Thai restaurants a thing, so tune into Ridiculous History

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Speaker 3: to learn more about that. In the meantime, please please

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Speaker 3: please tell us your thoughts about the new Chinese law

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Speaker 3: regarding influencers.

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Speaker 4: Is this the right move for a social.

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Speaker 3: Media age or does it endanger the things we prize

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Speaker 3: about the First Amendment conspiracy At iHeartRadio dot com.

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