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Speaker 1: let's get to it. So just moments ago, oops, hold,

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Speaker 1: just moments ago, UFC two sixty five ended. It took

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Speaker 1: place at the Toyota Center in Houston, Texas. Love Houston,

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Speaker 1: by the way, a wonderful place. Food is incredible. Okay.

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Speaker 1: They said it was sold out, but it did not

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Speaker 1: look even close to sold out. Well okay, it was like,

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Speaker 1: you know, decently attended, but it didn't look full. Different

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Speaker 1: story for a different time. Okay, let's get to the fights.

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Speaker 1: First up, main event, your new interim UFC Heavyweight Champion

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Speaker 1: is Zerial Gone. He was widely expected to win. He

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Speaker 1: was a pretty considerable favorite, just shy of minus four hundred.

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Speaker 1: We're not an overwhelming favorite, but a decent one just

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Speaker 1: the same. He wins as they've listed it. Tkova punches

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Speaker 1: at four to eleven of the third round, so you

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Speaker 1: had about a minute left in the third before they

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Speaker 1: were gonna call or before the round was going to end.

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Speaker 1: I should say, what's the story of this fight? Well,

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Speaker 1: this was an uphill climb for Derek Lewis, no matter

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Speaker 1: what I mean. You could look at their styles, you

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Speaker 1: could look at sort of the numbers, and it wasn't

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Speaker 1: hard to tell that Derek Lewis is a guy that's

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Speaker 1: got a couple of big advantages. I don't know, but

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Speaker 1: big weapons. One is huge power, right, He's just an

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Speaker 1: absolute tremendous force when he can connect. And two, he

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Speaker 1: can be perseverant. He can be patient. He can be

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Speaker 1: put in bad spots and he can find ways out

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Speaker 1: of them. That's been true when guys take him down,

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Speaker 1: he sort of finds ways, especially as his career has advanced,

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Speaker 1: at being patient, not panicking and waiting for a moment

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Speaker 2: Bottom and then getting out.

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Speaker 1: Sometimes he'll use trickery, like you know, even when he

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Speaker 1: was kind of getting a teed uf teed off on

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Speaker 1: in that third round, even I was like, oh, is

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Speaker 1: he gonna catch go? Because sometimes what he'll do is

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Speaker 1: we'll kind of you know, sort of double over, and

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Speaker 1: whether it's a for show or not, he'll then throw

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Speaker 2: Some times they land.

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Speaker 1: So he's got all these ways to you know, lull

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Speaker 1: big power is just a complete game changer. You didn't

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Speaker 1: really see either of those here, Cyril Gone is he's

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Speaker 1: going to be tough to beat, folks, He's going to

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Speaker 1: be very, very tough to beat. He does not It's

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Speaker 1: not that he's not capable of action. It's not that

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Speaker 1: he's not capable of devastating finishes. Here you saw one,

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Speaker 1: what he's good at, what really makes him excel is

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Speaker 1: Like if he just needs to make sure that your

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Speaker 1: The second part is that obviously, you know, once he

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Speaker 1: what you saw in this fight. But more than that, dude,

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Speaker 1: he just doesn't fight on your terms. I mean that's

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Speaker 1: an argument for He's like, if you're going to open

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Speaker 1: but all of these things have you know, pretty quick

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Speaker 1: You should have a plan of attack where yes, you're

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Speaker 1: And now he's working his game because he set up

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Speaker 1: And it was like, you know, again, this was very

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Speaker 1: Gon does. He just doesn't fight on your fucking terms

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Speaker 1: You guys ever been to the beach and then the

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Speaker 1: then as the rounds went on, getting out changing angles

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Speaker 1: And obviously, you know, he's got tremendous footwork Gon does.

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Speaker 1: the individual tactical choices. Here, he just doesn't fight on

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Speaker 1: set certainly not in this particular case tonight. He doesn't

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Speaker 1: he was fighting a battle that was not really winnable,

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Speaker 1: because not that the fight wasn't winnable, but the fight

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Speaker 1: as defined by what Cyril Gohn wants it to look like.

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Speaker 1: That's not a winnable fight, and I think probably his

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Speaker 1: totally different ballgame. But the way it played out, Gon

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Speaker 1: does he, right. Trevor Whitman talks about this all the time.

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Speaker 1: he just doesn't trip up along the way. He hardly

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Speaker 1: times in this fight did you see him zig when

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Speaker 1: Lewis's timing. I mean, it wasn't like he thought a

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Speaker 1: perfect fight on to really is such a thing. Maybe

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Speaker 1: conn McGregor's fight against Albel though even then he got

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Speaker 1: in part because he's obviously good in some sort of

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Speaker 2: To never allow it.

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Speaker 1: When they would lock up in the clinch, you would

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Speaker 1: you know, uh, some of the scrambling that goes on.

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Speaker 1: If you could be a dominant top control guy, you

432
00:22:54,680 --> 00:22:56,320
Speaker 1: just you get rid of so many different things you

433
00:22:56,400 --> 00:22:58,359
Speaker 1: have to worry about. Now you have a straightforward kind

434
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Speaker 1: of fight. Certainly, I think someone like God is entertaining

435
00:23:02,800 --> 00:23:06,879
Speaker 1: more chaos or potential variables anyway than what GSP was

436
00:23:06,920 --> 00:23:09,359
Speaker 1: doing with the wrestling that is truly a smothering style,

437
00:23:09,920 --> 00:23:12,960
Speaker 1: but at its core, it's the same kind of idea.

438
00:23:13,720 --> 00:23:16,160
Speaker 1: I'm gonna stand far apart from you, and I'm gonna

439
00:23:16,160 --> 00:23:19,160
Speaker 1: take my time figuring out how to get closer, what works,

440
00:23:19,560 --> 00:23:22,600
Speaker 1: what setups get me back there, What exits work for you,

441
00:23:22,720 --> 00:23:25,320
Speaker 1: what you're trying to do, what you're looking for. I'm

442
00:23:25,320 --> 00:23:27,600
Speaker 1: gonna stand far enough away where most of that shit

443
00:23:27,680 --> 00:23:30,159
Speaker 1: is going to be completely irrelevant, and I'm only going

444
00:23:30,240 --> 00:23:33,800
Speaker 1: to really get closer once I've successfully begun to pick

445
00:23:33,880 --> 00:23:37,520
Speaker 1: all the locks on the door, and then the purge

446
00:23:37,520 --> 00:23:41,040
Speaker 1: begins once they Once he gets through the door, the

447
00:23:41,080 --> 00:23:44,359
Speaker 1: purge begins at that point you're fucked. But it's a

448
00:23:44,359 --> 00:23:47,639
Speaker 1: similar kind of concept. You know, let's just I'm not

449
00:23:47,720 --> 00:23:50,879
Speaker 1: even gonna put myself in a position where I need

450
00:23:50,920 --> 00:23:52,840
Speaker 1: to worry about all those variables. Contrast that, and we'll

451
00:23:52,840 --> 00:23:54,720
Speaker 1: talk about in just a moment. Contrast that with the

452
00:23:54,800 --> 00:23:56,960
Speaker 1: Jose Aldo and Pedro Muno's fight where they just kind

453
00:23:56,960 --> 00:23:59,040
Speaker 1: of stood in front of each other, and yes there

454
00:23:59,119 --> 00:24:01,280
Speaker 1: was some distance too, but they were you know, they

455
00:24:01,280 --> 00:24:06,560
Speaker 1: were in much more. Aldo dealt with it with extraordinary

456
00:24:06,640 --> 00:24:08,919
Speaker 1: athleticism and blah blah blah gah. We'll talk about it,

457
00:24:08,960 --> 00:24:11,359
Speaker 1: but you know, there was a lot more variables of

458
00:24:11,440 --> 00:24:14,440
Speaker 1: danger he was entertaining there. God doesn't play that game.

459
00:24:15,080 --> 00:24:15,920
Speaker 2: Certainly not early.

460
00:24:16,800 --> 00:24:18,720
Speaker 1: He doesn't play that game early. So how do you

461
00:24:18,760 --> 00:24:22,320
Speaker 1: beat that? Do you wrestle him? Do you find clever entries?

462
00:24:22,480 --> 00:24:24,880
Speaker 1: Do you work on your head movement and he's jabbing

463
00:24:24,920 --> 00:24:27,119
Speaker 1: backwards and you find a way to you know, to

464
00:24:27,160 --> 00:24:29,440
Speaker 1: get inside off your slip line work or whatever. I

465
00:24:29,480 --> 00:24:31,480
Speaker 1: don't know that's going to be up. The one thing

466
00:24:31,720 --> 00:24:34,280
Speaker 1: that Francis has you could say, well, Lewis had it too.

467
00:24:34,280 --> 00:24:36,359
Speaker 1: I would say Francis has it a little bit more

468
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Speaker 1: I also think that Francis is a little bit rangier.

469
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Speaker 2: Two.

470
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Speaker 1: Francis has that dim mock man, you know, just the

471
00:24:43,359 --> 00:24:47,800
Speaker 1: slightest touch sometimes, and these guys just get they get

472
00:24:47,880 --> 00:24:53,080
Speaker 1: electrocuted with his power. Gon's numbers I can read them

473
00:24:53,119 --> 00:24:56,240
Speaker 1: to you, not from this fight, but overall they're excellent.

474
00:24:56,280 --> 00:24:59,880
Speaker 1: By the way, he averages strikes landed per minute five

475
00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:02,840
Speaker 1: point one three, his strikes absorbed two point six, you know,

476
00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:05,800
Speaker 1: so he's basically two x to x on his strikes

477
00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:10,680
Speaker 1: landed versus absorbed. But that number strikes landed at five

478
00:25:10,760 --> 00:25:13,440
Speaker 1: that is very high, and strikes absorbed two point six.

479
00:25:13,600 --> 00:25:16,560
Speaker 1: That's not crazy low, but that's definitely on the lower side.

480
00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:20,280
Speaker 1: But this is the point about Francis. It's like, granted,

481
00:25:20,400 --> 00:25:24,080
Speaker 1: Francis may not be able to land quality shots, but

482
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Speaker 1: he's got such crippling power that.

483
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Speaker 2: It may not matter. It may not matter.

484
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Speaker 1: But I gotta tell you, I tend to think gone either.

485
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Speaker 1: Should he be favored, I don't know. I think he

486
00:25:41,560 --> 00:25:44,800
Speaker 1: probably will be favored by the oddsmakers. They'll have it tight,

487
00:25:44,840 --> 00:25:46,119
Speaker 1: they'll have it very very close.

488
00:25:46,160 --> 00:25:47,040
Speaker 2: But dude, gone Is.

489
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Speaker 1: I put it on a tweet up and it got

490
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Speaker 1: a series of different reactions. I don't know how exactly

491
00:25:51,280 --> 00:25:53,159
Speaker 1: how people took it, but I sort of stand by this,

492
00:25:53,200 --> 00:25:56,520
Speaker 1: which is he got to finish tonight, but Lewis was

493
00:25:56,640 --> 00:25:58,920
Speaker 1: really overmatched. You know, if you look at previous fights,

494
00:25:58,960 --> 00:26:03,880
Speaker 1: like Volkov wanted this, Rosenestruck went the distance, Tanner Bosser

495
00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:06,000
Speaker 1: went the distance, although it was only for three rounds.

496
00:26:06,760 --> 00:26:09,119
Speaker 1: Even the Dawntel Mays fight went into the third round.

497
00:26:09,359 --> 00:26:11,359
Speaker 1: The fight against Osanto's didn't last, but he was on

498
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Speaker 1: his last legs. Those are his Yeah, he's got the

499
00:26:15,280 --> 00:26:17,720
Speaker 1: in hand, the arm triangle against half Alpasoa, but you

500
00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:21,000
Speaker 1: know he's something. These are irrelevant wins, but they don't

501
00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:23,119
Speaker 1: tell you exactly how we perform against the highest level.

502
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Speaker 1: To me, the Volcal fight is a little bit more

503
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Speaker 1: indicative of that. I think there's gonna be a lot

504
00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:29,399
Speaker 1: of debates about Gone. I think there's gonna be a

505
00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:31,840
Speaker 1: lot of people who find him boring, and there's a

506
00:26:31,880 --> 00:26:33,159
Speaker 1: lot of people who are going to defend him and

507
00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:34,840
Speaker 1: saying he's really really smart, and there's gonna be this

508
00:26:34,920 --> 00:26:38,760
Speaker 1: constant tension. And of course, you know, I don't think

509
00:26:38,800 --> 00:26:42,200
Speaker 1: it's crazy to say that Gon's fights like are oh

510
00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:45,000
Speaker 1: my god, every moment is a roller coaster of emotion,

511
00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:50,280
Speaker 1: or even every moment is this incredible display of brilliance.

512
00:26:50,280 --> 00:26:52,600
Speaker 1: I mean, he is a very smart fighter, let's be

513
00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:56,520
Speaker 1: clear about that. He's got very good fight IQ. But

514
00:26:57,000 --> 00:26:59,480
Speaker 1: there's been long stretches of his fights that are not

515
00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:02,199
Speaker 1: misscessarily all that entertaining. I don't think that, you know,

516
00:27:02,280 --> 00:27:04,639
Speaker 1: not finding him the most exciting is some kind of

517
00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:12,600
Speaker 1: indictment or even frankly wrong. But it's almost like irrelevant,

518
00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:15,520
Speaker 1: Like what would people who are mad at that? What

519
00:27:15,520 --> 00:27:18,000
Speaker 1: they want that to mean is that he isn't deserving

520
00:27:18,040 --> 00:27:21,600
Speaker 1: of respect, or he's not actually that good, or there's

521
00:27:21,640 --> 00:27:24,879
Speaker 1: something else about him that is disreputable. And the problem

522
00:27:24,920 --> 00:27:26,320
Speaker 1: is you can't say that if you want it to

523
00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:29,000
Speaker 1: say that, like, hey, I don't personally find god, you know,

524
00:27:29,119 --> 00:27:31,960
Speaker 1: necessarily all that entertaining. Okay, say it. I don't think

525
00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:35,120
Speaker 1: I don't think that's all that crazy. But it has

526
00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:39,440
Speaker 1: nothing to do with his actual ability whatsoever. His ability

527
00:27:39,560 --> 00:27:42,800
Speaker 1: is this is his tenth UFC are a tenth MMA fight.

528
00:27:43,520 --> 00:27:45,760
Speaker 1: You know, he looked like that, and I know what

529
00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:47,679
Speaker 1: they said. He's got the he's got the Muyti background,

530
00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:49,840
Speaker 1: his Muyti background is not all that extensive in terms

531
00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:54,440
Speaker 1: of the number of fights and even his amateur background.

532
00:27:54,560 --> 00:27:57,320
Speaker 1: I don't I don't think is necessarily all that extensive either.

533
00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:02,800
Speaker 1: Obviously it's gonna have. It has has real value of

534
00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:05,760
Speaker 1: pointing out he doesn't have a ton of competition experience

535
00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:11,080
Speaker 1: against high level pros, but against high level pros he's

536
00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:14,560
Speaker 1: done nothing but want win. To the extent that he's

537
00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:18,840
Speaker 1: had any experience against them, He's gonna be tough guy, tough,

538
00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:22,240
Speaker 1: gotta beat, very very tough, gotta beat. As for Derek Lewis,

539
00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:23,639
Speaker 1: I don't know that this is some kind of like

540
00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:26,639
Speaker 1: terrible moment for him. I mean, okay, he was in Houston.

541
00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:30,119
Speaker 1: He lost to be a stoppage. That's not great, but

542
00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:32,879
Speaker 1: he wasn't expected to win this, you know, And I

543
00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:35,359
Speaker 1: think we should be candid about not just what the

544
00:28:35,359 --> 00:28:39,080
Speaker 1: odds were, but like, you know, where the smart money

545
00:28:39,240 --> 00:28:40,800
Speaker 1: was in the generic sense. We turn this out a

546
00:28:40,840 --> 00:28:44,320
Speaker 1: little bit thirty minutes into my podcast, let me turn

547
00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:45,320
Speaker 1: up the volume.

548
00:28:49,120 --> 00:28:49,600
Speaker 2: And listen.

549
00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:51,760
Speaker 1: He was on a four fight win streak the fight

550
00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:55,400
Speaker 1: he won coming into this fight, the vicious KO over

551
00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:58,560
Speaker 1: Curtis Blades' maybe his best win against his most difficult

552
00:28:58,600 --> 00:29:00,440
Speaker 1: opponent in certain in some ways you could argue that

553
00:29:01,040 --> 00:29:04,840
Speaker 1: stylistically anyway, and he just you know, sent him to

554
00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:07,880
Speaker 1: the land of winding ghosts. It's not like Lewis is

555
00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:11,040
Speaker 1: far from the place he got. Now, Now, how likely

556
00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:13,160
Speaker 1: is the UFC to award of the title shot and stuff?

557
00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:15,280
Speaker 2: You know? I don't know, But like in terms.

558
00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:17,160
Speaker 1: Of like, was this the night where you're like, wow,

559
00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:19,680
Speaker 1: we really got to rethink how we understand Derek Lewis,

560
00:29:19,720 --> 00:29:22,560
Speaker 1: like not really right, Like all the things you know

561
00:29:22,600 --> 00:29:26,680
Speaker 1: about what makes him good, they're all still there. The

562
00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:28,800
Speaker 1: ending was bad here, But I think in his career

563
00:29:28,840 --> 00:29:31,040
Speaker 1: he hasn't taken a ton of punishment. I think that

564
00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:34,040
Speaker 1: his injuries are mostly under control.

565
00:29:36,800 --> 00:29:37,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't. I don't.

566
00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:42,479
Speaker 1: He'll still be in relevant fights, he'll still win relevant fights.

567
00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:45,720
Speaker 1: He probably just won't be the very best that the

568
00:29:45,760 --> 00:29:47,840
Speaker 1: division has to offer. You're not going to get Derek Lewis,

569
00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:50,240
Speaker 1: by the way, versus Francis and Gon who certainly anytime soon.

570
00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:55,000
Speaker 1: So that's something worth keeping in mind about. But you know,

571
00:29:55,040 --> 00:29:56,760
Speaker 1: it sucks for him. I think it obviously sucks for

572
00:29:56,840 --> 00:29:58,960
Speaker 1: the Houstonians that were there. I feel for them again.

573
00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:03,960
Speaker 1: Houston's a great play. I love Houston, but this was

574
00:30:04,040 --> 00:30:05,920
Speaker 1: this was this was way too big a hill to

575
00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:10,440
Speaker 1: climb and Cyril gone. If you see guys like this

576
00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:13,840
Speaker 1: where you know they're not jumping off the screen because

577
00:30:15,080 --> 00:30:17,960
Speaker 1: they're just lighting people on fire with these unbelievable uppercuts

578
00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:20,360
Speaker 1: in the way like Francis was against Oveream or you

579
00:30:20,360 --> 00:30:21,960
Speaker 1: know they got they could take the back like Hennon

580
00:30:22,040 --> 00:30:25,520
Speaker 1: Brow did to Brad Pickett, you know, Pee Kennon Barrow.

581
00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:30,200
Speaker 1: But if you see these guys who like you, notice

582
00:30:30,240 --> 00:30:35,680
Speaker 1: that fighters have a hard time fighting out of the deficit,

583
00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:38,560
Speaker 1: and that deficit is that the one their opponent put

584
00:30:38,560 --> 00:30:42,200
Speaker 1: them in by defining the terms. When you see guys

585
00:30:42,280 --> 00:30:46,160
Speaker 1: do that, that's somebody you gotta you gotta respect right away,

586
00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:49,480
Speaker 1: right away. It's like Leon Edwards doesn't have the most

587
00:30:49,480 --> 00:30:52,840
Speaker 1: exciting style, dude, but you better respect him, you better

588
00:30:53,280 --> 00:30:56,360
Speaker 1: because he is very good about Okay, here's how we're

589
00:30:56,400 --> 00:31:00,280
Speaker 1: gonna fight today. I'm gonna do this, I'm gonna maintain this,

590
00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:01,840
Speaker 1: and you're just gonna have to deal with it.

591
00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:02,520
Speaker 2: Man.

592
00:31:02,560 --> 00:31:05,040
Speaker 1: That's a tough guy to beat. That's a tough guy

593
00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:05,400
Speaker 1: to beat.

594
00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:06,960
Speaker 2: We'll come back.

595
00:31:07,040 --> 00:31:10,040
Speaker 1: Certainly, I'll answer your questions as well. All right, so

596
00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:15,360
Speaker 1: we go now to your comine, Jose Aldo defeating Pedro

597
00:31:15,480 --> 00:31:18,600
Speaker 1: Munoz via unanimous decision thirty twenty seven across the board.

598
00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:20,760
Speaker 1: Let me say something about Jose Aldo, as I have

599
00:31:20,840 --> 00:31:22,920
Speaker 1: my zequel here that will put me to sleep in

600
00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:24,800
Speaker 1: about thirty minutes, which I need to do because I

601
00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:25,880
Speaker 1: have a busy day tomorrow.

602
00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:28,200
Speaker 2: I'm gonna I'm gonna pull.

603
00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:32,800
Speaker 1: It up, sipping my lean like they do in Houston. Huh,

604
00:31:32,800 --> 00:31:44,600
Speaker 1: everybody there we go, shouts to DJ screw. Josealdo is

605
00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:45,520
Speaker 1: just so incredible.

606
00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:50,680
Speaker 2: He is in a position where.

607
00:31:53,120 --> 00:31:57,280
Speaker 1: He's a little bit rich Franklin ish. The analogy is

608
00:31:57,320 --> 00:31:59,840
Speaker 1: not quite right. And I know every time you make

609
00:31:59,840 --> 00:32:02,160
Speaker 1: it a analogy to some historical figure, everyone wants to

610
00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:04,000
Speaker 1: be like, well, let's line up every single thing we

611
00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:06,320
Speaker 1: know about Jose Aldo and every single thing we know

612
00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:08,400
Speaker 1: about Rich Franklin. Let's find all the difference. Is to

613
00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:11,720
Speaker 1: make any kind of comparison ultimately not that meaningful. Yes,

614
00:32:11,760 --> 00:32:13,800
Speaker 1: if you want it to make it totalizing, the comparison

615
00:32:13,840 --> 00:32:16,400
Speaker 1: falls apart. But here is what I mean, in this

616
00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:20,840
Speaker 1: particular way in which I'm about to say it. How

617
00:32:20,840 --> 00:32:24,240
Speaker 1: many times have you heard fighters say that if they

618
00:32:24,280 --> 00:32:27,320
Speaker 1: get put in a position where it becomes clear to

619
00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:29,400
Speaker 1: them that they're not going to be able to win

620
00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:33,360
Speaker 1: a title either again or anymore, or ever, that they

621
00:32:33,360 --> 00:32:35,400
Speaker 1: don't really want to do this anymore. If that's not

622
00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:39,200
Speaker 1: really on the table, it's not super common, but it's

623
00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:43,000
Speaker 1: not rare either. You hear it a fair bit and

624
00:32:43,040 --> 00:32:44,960
Speaker 1: I'm not here to adjudicate whether it's the good view

625
00:32:45,040 --> 00:32:47,840
Speaker 1: or not. It's just something that some fighters believe, and okay,

626
00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:50,280
Speaker 1: take them out their word, and everyone lives their life

627
00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:52,280
Speaker 1: and has their career that they want to have to

628
00:32:52,320 --> 00:32:57,440
Speaker 1: the best of their abilities. Rich Franklin found himself in

629
00:32:57,480 --> 00:33:03,240
Speaker 1: a position where he realized he was never He was

630
00:33:03,240 --> 00:33:04,920
Speaker 1: not going to beat Anderson Silver. It was not going

631
00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:07,680
Speaker 1: to happen. You had a guy who came along in

632
00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:10,360
Speaker 1: your weight class, You were the champion, everyone thought you

633
00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:13,160
Speaker 1: were the guy, and then the real guy came around,

634
00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:15,240
Speaker 1: and what the fuck are you going to do about it?

635
00:33:15,280 --> 00:33:17,520
Speaker 1: And dude, to this day, I mean Rich Franklin, you

636
00:33:17,560 --> 00:33:20,040
Speaker 1: know he's cutting the ribbon in front of the Creation

637
00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:22,280
Speaker 1: Science Museum. We just want to go like, what is

638
00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:27,640
Speaker 1: wrong with you? But to his credit, dude, he he

639
00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:33,600
Speaker 1: just found a way to have He took the view

640
00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:36,960
Speaker 1: that like, okay, maybe another title shot will happen at

641
00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:39,000
Speaker 1: two o five. Maybe who knows what happens at one

642
00:33:39,040 --> 00:33:40,680
Speaker 1: eighty five down the road if I stick it out.

643
00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:42,960
Speaker 1: But what I'm really just committed to is I want

644
00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:48,280
Speaker 1: to be in important fights against tough guys, and I

645
00:33:48,320 --> 00:33:50,000
Speaker 1: want to challenge myself. And he would take him at

646
00:33:50,040 --> 00:33:52,000
Speaker 1: one eighty five, he would take him at two o five,

647
00:33:52,520 --> 00:33:55,040
Speaker 1: he'd take him on short notice, he'd take him overseas.

648
00:33:55,760 --> 00:33:59,520
Speaker 1: Sometimes he lost, sometimes he won spectacularly. He ran the gamut,

649
00:34:00,360 --> 00:34:02,360
Speaker 1: but he was at least out there committed to this

650
00:34:02,520 --> 00:34:05,560
Speaker 1: idea of being a martial artist, being a prize fighter

651
00:34:06,080 --> 00:34:08,800
Speaker 1: and everything in between. And I had, and I still

652
00:34:08,840 --> 00:34:13,160
Speaker 1: remain extremely impressed by that attitude. It's not that I

653
00:34:13,239 --> 00:34:16,879
Speaker 1: judge people who don't want to do that. Rather, if

654
00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:19,960
Speaker 1: you are going to commit yourself to that, it's not

655
00:34:20,040 --> 00:34:23,319
Speaker 1: easy to stay motivated. It's definitely not easy to stay competitive.

656
00:34:23,680 --> 00:34:26,000
Speaker 1: He's also Jose Alda at this point has a fair

657
00:34:26,080 --> 00:34:28,560
Speaker 1: bit of miles on him. He's down a weight class

658
00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:31,040
Speaker 1: that I thought was impossible for him to get to considering,

659
00:34:31,120 --> 00:34:33,720
Speaker 1: you know, the struggles he had to fight Mark Comenic

660
00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:36,680
Speaker 1: and everything, and here he is making Pedro Munoz, who

661
00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:40,880
Speaker 1: is a very tough riddle to solve, look very solvable.

662
00:34:42,320 --> 00:34:46,839
Speaker 1: Jose Aldo, you know, he had his moment, he was

663
00:34:47,160 --> 00:34:52,279
Speaker 1: he is still the class standard for featherweights. He had

664
00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:54,960
Speaker 1: his opportunity to fight Peter Yawn for the title at

665
00:34:55,040 --> 00:34:56,959
Speaker 1: one point thirty five and it didn't go his way.

666
00:34:57,040 --> 00:35:00,840
Speaker 1: And here he is against top five guy eyes, still

667
00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:03,799
Speaker 1: absolutely giving them the business, and not just giving them

668
00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:08,239
Speaker 1: the business, but looking fantastic doing it. I mean, his

669
00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:12,040
Speaker 1: head movement was out of control, his jab from the

670
00:35:12,080 --> 00:35:15,920
Speaker 1: second round on fantastic. How about those rib roasters he

671
00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:18,239
Speaker 1: was throwing when he needed them in the third round?

672
00:35:18,280 --> 00:35:19,800
Speaker 1: What about what about those leg kicks?

673
00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:20,160
Speaker 2: Dude?

674
00:35:20,560 --> 00:35:25,520
Speaker 1: Jose Aldo painted a masterpiece tonight. And this is a

675
00:35:25,560 --> 00:35:30,000
Speaker 1: guy who probably won't ever sniff another title fight. Maybe possible,

676
00:35:30,040 --> 00:35:33,920
Speaker 1: but you know, not likely, not likely, And he's out

677
00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:34,560
Speaker 1: there doing this.

678
00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:37,680
Speaker 2: It's it's it's just.

679
00:35:37,760 --> 00:35:42,600
Speaker 1: You know, a special guy, man, special special guy. And

680
00:35:42,640 --> 00:35:45,000
Speaker 1: everyone wants to talk about the Connor McGregor comparisons. Listen, man,

681
00:35:45,040 --> 00:35:47,759
Speaker 1: I already made this point. I'll say it again. You know,

682
00:35:47,760 --> 00:35:49,640
Speaker 1: I don't know what happens with Connor going forward. I

683
00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:51,680
Speaker 1: still think he's a very good fighter. In fact, it's

684
00:35:51,719 --> 00:35:54,480
Speaker 1: kind of funny if you look at Aldo's record sense,

685
00:35:54,560 --> 00:35:58,920
Speaker 1: let's say, like the Holloway fights or something, right, you

686
00:35:58,920 --> 00:36:01,000
Speaker 1: know where everything kind of came off the rails. Well,

687
00:36:01,040 --> 00:36:02,759
Speaker 1: I guess the Conor mcgrifiers when it came off the rails.

688
00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:04,440
Speaker 1: But he got the title back at two hundred or

689
00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:07,440
Speaker 1: a version of it, and then he lost two to Holloway.

690
00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:09,920
Speaker 1: So he loses two to Holloway, He rebounds against Stevens

691
00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:14,040
Speaker 1: and Hanato Moikano loses to Volkanovski, loses to Marlon Marias,

692
00:36:14,080 --> 00:36:16,160
Speaker 1: although that was a little bit dinasy, but he still lost.

693
00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:18,880
Speaker 1: So on his record lost to Peter Yon, that was clear,

694
00:36:19,120 --> 00:36:21,839
Speaker 1: and since then he beat Marlon Vera tough fighter and

695
00:36:21,880 --> 00:36:25,480
Speaker 1: now Pedro Munoz tough fighter. The guy has been fighting

696
00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:29,560
Speaker 1: since fucking August of two thousand and four. He's got

697
00:36:29,640 --> 00:36:34,120
Speaker 1: thirty seven pro MMA fights, and you know he still

698
00:36:34,160 --> 00:36:38,719
Speaker 1: looks this good, this kind like it's just he just

699
00:36:38,760 --> 00:36:41,640
Speaker 1: they won't come around like this very often, fellas and ladies.

700
00:36:41,680 --> 00:36:42,600
Speaker 2: They won't. They will not.

701
00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:45,200
Speaker 1: You will not see a lot of guys like this,

702
00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:50,000
Speaker 1: a lot of guys who can find themselves in you know,

703
00:36:50,120 --> 00:36:53,320
Speaker 1: he's respected and revered and obviously is a critically important

704
00:36:53,360 --> 00:36:56,080
Speaker 1: figure in the history of Brazilian mma, particularly lighter weight

705
00:36:56,120 --> 00:36:58,960
Speaker 1: Brazilian mma. Maybe he's the critical figure, if you want

706
00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:03,239
Speaker 1: to put it that way. But you know, he's long

707
00:37:03,239 --> 00:37:05,120
Speaker 1: in the tooth, and he's had a lot of tough fights,

708
00:37:05,120 --> 00:37:06,759
Speaker 1: and he's had a lot of tough opponents, and he's

709
00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:09,200
Speaker 1: been through a lot of different eras of mma. You know,

710
00:37:09,239 --> 00:37:12,720
Speaker 1: he made his debut before the Ultimate Fighter even fucking aired,

711
00:37:13,520 --> 00:37:15,160
Speaker 1: and he's still out here doing.

712
00:37:14,920 --> 00:37:16,399
Speaker 2: This to people. I mean, you just.

713
00:37:18,080 --> 00:37:20,720
Speaker 1: You almost have to laugh at it. You just can't

714
00:37:20,719 --> 00:37:22,480
Speaker 1: believe that a guy like this is doing the things

715
00:37:22,520 --> 00:37:23,000
Speaker 1: he's doing.

716
00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:25,759
Speaker 2: And I bring up Connor MacGregor. I got a little

717
00:37:25,760 --> 00:37:26,359
Speaker 2: bit distracted there.

718
00:37:26,440 --> 00:37:27,640
Speaker 1: I just mean this to say, you know, it's funny

719
00:37:27,640 --> 00:37:32,080
Speaker 1: about MacGregor is like McGregor could take a path if

720
00:37:32,120 --> 00:37:33,960
Speaker 1: you wanted to that it wouldn't necessarily be all that

721
00:37:34,040 --> 00:37:37,759
Speaker 1: dissimilar from Aldo. Now would he be as competitive as

722
00:37:37,840 --> 00:37:40,320
Speaker 1: Aldo is now?

723
00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:45,160
Speaker 2: You know, is he top five at one point fifty five? Probably? Probably?

724
00:37:46,040 --> 00:37:46,319
Speaker 2: I guess.

725
00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:49,279
Speaker 1: I mean to say if if it's just funny to watch,

726
00:37:49,320 --> 00:37:51,319
Speaker 1: Like McGregor, all of his losses are supposed to mean

727
00:37:51,480 --> 00:37:54,600
Speaker 1: so much, and Aldo has kind of carved out this

728
00:37:54,640 --> 00:37:57,480
Speaker 1: path where he had to obviously the devastating loss to Connor.

729
00:37:58,120 --> 00:38:00,279
Speaker 1: And it's not like it's been rosy since then. Since

730
00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:02,600
Speaker 1: losing the Conner, he's had one, two, three, four or

731
00:38:02,640 --> 00:38:07,120
Speaker 1: five wins and five losses. He's five and five. He's

732
00:38:07,160 --> 00:38:09,160
Speaker 1: five and five. That he's not exactly killing the game

733
00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:13,240
Speaker 1: since then. Of course he's fighting insanely tough guys. Fine,

734
00:38:13,320 --> 00:38:16,280
Speaker 1: but you know the record is not he was twenty

735
00:38:16,360 --> 00:38:19,720
Speaker 1: five and one before fighting Connor and now he's thirty

736
00:38:19,760 --> 00:38:22,840
Speaker 1: and seven. Right, so the numbers have changed pretty concised.

737
00:38:22,880 --> 00:38:26,440
Speaker 1: Let me get that right. So he has one, two, three, four, five, Yeah,

738
00:38:26,520 --> 00:38:28,640
Speaker 1: and then since Connor, yeah, five and five, he's five

739
00:38:28,719 --> 00:38:32,800
Speaker 1: and five. It's not like he's killing you imagine Connor

740
00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:36,000
Speaker 1: going five and five, you know, it's it's not that

741
00:38:36,120 --> 00:38:38,400
Speaker 1: hard to think if he was taking on, you know, routine,

742
00:38:38,440 --> 00:38:41,440
Speaker 1: regular challenges. But not everyone is up for that kind

743
00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:43,400
Speaker 1: of challenge. Not everyone is up for like I'm going

744
00:38:43,480 --> 00:38:45,839
Speaker 1: to just go to a new weight class. That's insanely

745
00:38:45,920 --> 00:38:48,840
Speaker 1: hard for me to meet, and I'm going to just

746
00:38:48,960 --> 00:38:50,120
Speaker 1: keep working on my game.

747
00:38:50,200 --> 00:38:51,440
Speaker 2: I'm going to keep trying.

748
00:38:51,440 --> 00:38:55,080
Speaker 1: I'm going to keep just just doing this and I

749
00:38:55,120 --> 00:38:57,479
Speaker 1: don't know exactly what it's going to lead to. Again,

750
00:38:57,520 --> 00:38:59,400
Speaker 1: they rewarded him with the title shot. Didn't go his

751
00:38:59,440 --> 00:39:01,600
Speaker 1: way after the Peter Jon fight. Dude, he could have

752
00:39:01,600 --> 00:39:04,080
Speaker 1: called it a day, you know, and instead what did

753
00:39:04,080 --> 00:39:05,760
Speaker 1: he do? He goes out there and he beat Marlon

754
00:39:05,840 --> 00:39:08,840
Speaker 1: Verla pretty pretty, you know, cleanly, and then he just

755
00:39:08,880 --> 00:39:14,520
Speaker 1: gave Pedro munos you know the business it was. He's

756
00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:17,600
Speaker 1: He's a marvel. He's a marvel that you can be

757
00:39:17,840 --> 00:39:22,719
Speaker 1: in a situation that unknown after previously experiencing all the

758
00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:26,040
Speaker 1: greatest highs, like his best days are for sure behind him,

759
00:39:26,080 --> 00:39:29,240
Speaker 1: not that he won't have good days, but his best days,

760
00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:31,920
Speaker 1: those are behind him. And he's still out there competing

761
00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:35,760
Speaker 1: like this and you know, physically has traps for days,

762
00:39:36,200 --> 00:39:39,240
Speaker 1: has those three d delts. Boy, he's got some delts

763
00:39:39,280 --> 00:39:42,759
Speaker 1: on him. He always has. Man, he is. He is

764
00:39:42,840 --> 00:39:45,160
Speaker 1: worthy of your adoration. Even Connor McGregor, I think, was

765
00:39:45,200 --> 00:39:49,080
Speaker 1: tweeting about him positively tonight. Jose Aldo is very much

766
00:39:49,120 --> 00:39:51,840
Speaker 1: worthy of your adoration. By the way, and let's just

767
00:39:51,840 --> 00:39:55,000
Speaker 1: say it out loud again, there's a lot of dudes

768
00:39:55,040 --> 00:39:57,640
Speaker 1: at the top of bansamweight that we need to see

769
00:39:57,680 --> 00:40:00,480
Speaker 1: how things go. We'll see how Corey rebounds. Maybe they

770
00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:03,520
Speaker 1: do Corey Sandhagen versus Rob Font, Maybe they do Font

771
00:40:03,560 --> 00:40:08,040
Speaker 1: versus Aldo, Maybe they do Aldo versus Sanagan. What do

772
00:40:08,080 --> 00:40:10,400
Speaker 1: they have the rankings at Let's see exactly. And I

773
00:40:10,440 --> 00:40:12,520
Speaker 1: realize there are gonna change come Monday or Tuesday, but

774
00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:14,320
Speaker 1: let me just see here.

775
00:40:18,600 --> 00:40:25,320
Speaker 2: They have at bantam weight. Hm m mmmmm mm hmmm.

776
00:40:27,239 --> 00:40:30,359
Speaker 1: My computer is always slow when I do these. They

777
00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:36,319
Speaker 1: have him at although sitting at five. Yeah, they could

778
00:40:36,360 --> 00:40:38,799
Speaker 1: do They could do sand Hagan in Font, they could

779
00:40:38,840 --> 00:40:41,880
Speaker 1: do san Haagan and Alda. Dude, I mean, he's you know,

780
00:40:41,960 --> 00:40:45,000
Speaker 1: he's again. I'm saying a title shot is unlikely, but

781
00:40:45,080 --> 00:40:46,160
Speaker 1: it is not impossible.

782
00:40:46,520 --> 00:40:47,320
Speaker 2: It is possible.

783
00:40:47,320 --> 00:40:49,719
Speaker 1: He could continue to win his way and they'd have

784
00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:51,160
Speaker 1: to reward him with another one like that.

785
00:40:51,239 --> 00:40:51,439
Speaker 2: Dude.

786
00:40:51,480 --> 00:40:55,680
Speaker 1: That's just it's just insanely remarkable. It's remarkable. It's remarkable

787
00:40:55,719 --> 00:40:59,000
Speaker 1: that somebody this long in the tooth is still this

788
00:40:59,160 --> 00:41:04,800
Speaker 1: much a student of game and still this eagerly competitive

789
00:41:05,480 --> 00:41:09,160
Speaker 1: for stakes that can sometimes be quite unknown. You just

790
00:41:09,200 --> 00:41:11,160
Speaker 1: won't see a lot of that aser Paedro Muno's I

791
00:41:11,160 --> 00:41:14,239
Speaker 1: didn't think he looked I mean, he'd clearly looked a

792
00:41:14,280 --> 00:41:19,440
Speaker 1: step or two behind Aldo, He's sitting at nine. I

793
00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:22,920
Speaker 1: didn't think he looked terrible. I just thought that the

794
00:41:22,960 --> 00:41:25,359
Speaker 1: one mistake that I thought I couldn't get my head

795
00:41:25,360 --> 00:41:30,280
Speaker 1: around was obviously the two guys whose games I've examined

796
00:41:30,280 --> 00:41:31,759
Speaker 1: the most over the course of my career would be

797
00:41:31,760 --> 00:41:36,160
Speaker 1: Atasnya in Holloway. Holloway did something kind of interesting in

798
00:41:36,200 --> 00:41:38,200
Speaker 1: both fights, and he did it differently. One fight he

799
00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:43,200
Speaker 1: went clockwise and one fight he went counterclockwise. He really

800
00:41:43,280 --> 00:41:45,480
Speaker 1: kind of switched it up on Jose. But what he

801
00:41:45,520 --> 00:41:48,920
Speaker 1: did was he turned him. He turned him constantly. He

802
00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:52,000
Speaker 1: was constantly turning him. That made it a lot harder

803
00:41:52,040 --> 00:41:56,279
Speaker 1: for Aldo to set into anything. But both offensively and defensively,

804
00:41:56,320 --> 00:42:00,200
Speaker 1: but in particular offensively. Munyas didn't really do that. He

805
00:42:00,239 --> 00:42:02,440
Speaker 1: would kind of l step and then reset the angle,

806
00:42:02,520 --> 00:42:04,040
Speaker 1: but then they would just stand there in front of

807
00:42:04,040 --> 00:42:06,640
Speaker 1: each other. There's a lot of fainting, fair enough, but

808
00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:11,000
Speaker 1: you weren't putting Jose in a physically uncomfortable position, either

809
00:42:11,200 --> 00:42:15,040
Speaker 1: pressing him and smashing him against the fence or making

810
00:42:15,120 --> 00:42:18,000
Speaker 1: him follow you, making him turn, making him stay in

811
00:42:18,040 --> 00:42:21,600
Speaker 1: a position where he can't drive his weight down into

812
00:42:21,640 --> 00:42:23,480
Speaker 1: the canvas and then unload.

813
00:42:25,280 --> 00:42:27,160
Speaker 2: And I think that was a mistake. I think that

814
00:42:27,200 --> 00:42:27,720
Speaker 2: was a mistake.

815
00:42:27,760 --> 00:42:29,640
Speaker 1: Easier said than done. All these things are easier said

816
00:42:29,680 --> 00:42:32,080
Speaker 1: than done. Not everybody can be Max Holloway, but it

817
00:42:32,160 --> 00:42:35,520
Speaker 1: just goes to show that even with everything Jose Aldo

818
00:42:35,560 --> 00:42:40,080
Speaker 1: has experienced negatively in his career, let's say, even at

819
00:42:40,080 --> 00:42:42,680
Speaker 1: this stage, is if you give him room to move

820
00:42:42,920 --> 00:42:46,000
Speaker 1: or I should say in this case, yes there is

821
00:42:47,320 --> 00:42:50,879
Speaker 1: room to move to exit, or if you give him

822
00:42:50,960 --> 00:42:54,360
Speaker 1: time to anticipate what you're doing because your path is linear.

823
00:42:55,040 --> 00:42:56,960
Speaker 1: He has just a clear sense about what to do. Dude,

824
00:42:57,000 --> 00:42:57,839
Speaker 1: he's hard to beat.

825
00:42:57,920 --> 00:42:58,279
Speaker 2: Like that.

826
00:42:58,760 --> 00:43:01,160
Speaker 1: Edgar would do that. Edgar would do a lot of

827
00:43:01,239 --> 00:43:03,400
Speaker 1: side to side stuff, But really what he altered I

828
00:43:03,560 --> 00:43:05,200
Speaker 1: go back and look at it. I did have a

829
00:43:05,239 --> 00:43:07,960
Speaker 1: NDI Morning Analyst on it. He was going side to side,

830
00:43:08,040 --> 00:43:09,399
Speaker 1: side to side, so it looked like he was trying

831
00:43:09,400 --> 00:43:11,080
Speaker 1: to create a lot of movement. But really what he

832
00:43:11,120 --> 00:43:12,480
Speaker 1: would do is he would just find a lane for

833
00:43:12,520 --> 00:43:14,400
Speaker 1: the right and then he would go straight and every

834
00:43:14,560 --> 00:43:17,839
Speaker 1: time Jose Aldo would set him on fire, he'd set

835
00:43:17,880 --> 00:43:20,520
Speaker 1: him on fire. He's very, very very good at that.

836
00:43:20,560 --> 00:43:24,680
Speaker 1: You got to get that guy moving, turning, and uh,

837
00:43:24,800 --> 00:43:26,880
Speaker 1: that was just not part of what Munos was trying tonight.

838
00:43:27,200 --> 00:43:31,680
Speaker 1: So it didn't go his way all right, elsewhere on

839
00:43:31,719 --> 00:43:40,319
Speaker 1: this card, Let's see elsewhere on this card, how about

840
00:43:40,400 --> 00:43:46,319
Speaker 1: Vicente Luke bro God, damn, God, damn that dude is.

841
00:43:46,400 --> 00:43:49,239
Speaker 1: You know, I'll never forget. I borrowed the phrase that

842
00:43:49,280 --> 00:43:50,759
Speaker 1: I heard from him, and I saw him by the

843
00:43:50,800 --> 00:43:54,080
Speaker 1: way in Vegas. I went to the high Rollers thing

844
00:43:54,160 --> 00:43:56,960
Speaker 1: in Vegas. When I was there, shouts the high Rollers

845
00:43:57,000 --> 00:44:01,440
Speaker 1: by the way, just, I mean, such a total different product.

846
00:44:02,040 --> 00:44:03,800
Speaker 1: No one can touch what high Rollers is doing. I

847
00:44:03,880 --> 00:44:07,040
Speaker 1: saw it in person for myself. Just sensational. And while

848
00:44:07,040 --> 00:44:11,320
Speaker 1: I was there, I saw Mike Easton, DC legend Mike Easton,

849
00:44:11,640 --> 00:44:16,279
Speaker 1: and I remember years ago, years ago, this must have

850
00:44:16,360 --> 00:44:21,320
Speaker 1: been maybe four five something like that. I was training.

851
00:44:22,120 --> 00:44:23,840
Speaker 1: Mike must have been teaching the class. But I was

852
00:44:23,880 --> 00:44:27,719
Speaker 1: training in a class he was teaching, and we were

853
00:44:27,760 --> 00:44:30,920
Speaker 1: talking about overream at the time, and he said to me,

854
00:44:30,960 --> 00:44:32,680
Speaker 1: He's like I don't know what belt overream is, but

855
00:44:32,719 --> 00:44:35,239
Speaker 1: overhim has a black belt guillotine, you know. And they

856
00:44:35,280 --> 00:44:36,840
Speaker 1: were talking about some of the nuances and some of

857
00:44:36,880 --> 00:44:39,880
Speaker 1: the stuff he was doing. Yo Vicente Luke might be

858
00:44:39,880 --> 00:44:42,840
Speaker 1: a brown belt, that's a that's a black belt, dars

859
00:44:42,960 --> 00:44:46,840
Speaker 1: slash bravo choke that he has, fucking a if you

860
00:44:47,040 --> 00:44:51,680
Speaker 1: are not careful about any time you roll from your

861
00:44:51,920 --> 00:44:53,840
Speaker 1: first of all, you can be on your side, but

862
00:44:53,920 --> 00:44:56,959
Speaker 1: let's say you roll from your side to your base. Shit,

863
00:44:57,200 --> 00:45:00,960
Speaker 1: boys and girls, you better have your hands he or

864
00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:05,360
Speaker 1: here or something, because it's coming. And when it comes,

865
00:45:05,440 --> 00:45:08,000
Speaker 1: it is he brings it on lightning quick, and he

866
00:45:08,080 --> 00:45:11,280
Speaker 1: knows exactly where his body needs to be to snake

867
00:45:11,360 --> 00:45:14,040
Speaker 1: the arm through and come around. He knows exactly to

868
00:45:14,080 --> 00:45:16,799
Speaker 1: squeeze the elbows together and then he drives the weight

869
00:45:16,840 --> 00:45:22,000
Speaker 1: on the on the on the non choking arm man.

870
00:45:22,920 --> 00:45:23,080
Speaker 2: You know.

871
00:45:23,320 --> 00:45:26,719
Speaker 1: Kisa came out. His numbers were interesting to me. He

872
00:45:26,800 --> 00:45:31,160
Speaker 1: has numbers like I've never seen before. If you look

873
00:45:31,200 --> 00:45:35,680
Speaker 1: at his strikes landed and absorbed per minute, he's at

874
00:45:35,719 --> 00:45:38,200
Speaker 1: one point eight on either way roughly, I think at

875
00:45:39,680 --> 00:45:42,759
Speaker 1: something like that. That means he lands less than two

876
00:45:42,840 --> 00:45:46,160
Speaker 1: strikes a minute. It's not a lot. Okay, it's very

877
00:45:46,280 --> 00:45:49,640
Speaker 1: low for UFC standards, but you know he still beat

878
00:45:49,719 --> 00:45:53,279
Speaker 1: Neil Magne Pullar to post. Well, why because he's got

879
00:45:53,320 --> 00:45:59,720
Speaker 1: incredible control. He's got incredible control. So Luke was finding

880
00:45:59,760 --> 00:46:01,600
Speaker 1: some openings on the feet and then he goes to

881
00:46:01,600 --> 00:46:05,239
Speaker 1: this takedown. The takedown from Kisa was like completely authoritative, right,

882
00:46:05,520 --> 00:46:08,640
Speaker 1: and then he immediately began to move I think to

883
00:46:08,640 --> 00:46:12,840
Speaker 1: to half at least he tried to. But you saw

884
00:46:14,960 --> 00:46:17,400
Speaker 1: there was a scramble, and through the course of the scramble,

885
00:46:18,200 --> 00:46:20,200
Speaker 1: well he had well first of all, I mean Luka

886
00:46:20,280 --> 00:46:21,960
Speaker 1: had his back taken and he fought out of that

887
00:46:22,040 --> 00:46:23,919
Speaker 1: and he was able to reverse and get on top.

888
00:46:24,520 --> 00:46:26,040
Speaker 1: Now I don't know if Luk wanted to stay out.

889
00:46:26,040 --> 00:46:27,000
Speaker 1: Have to go back and look to see if he

890
00:46:27,040 --> 00:46:28,920
Speaker 1: got kicked off or exactly what happened. But there was

891
00:46:28,960 --> 00:46:31,560
Speaker 1: a separation. Luke on top and he pulled back out

892
00:46:31,560 --> 00:46:33,359
Speaker 1: of an armbar and to see what was gonna happen.

893
00:46:33,760 --> 00:46:36,200
Speaker 1: And then Kisa tries to sit up as soon as

894
00:46:36,239 --> 00:46:40,239
Speaker 1: he like, like, dude, go back and look at that. Right,

895
00:46:40,360 --> 00:46:43,400
Speaker 1: Even before Kisa just sits up, you can see the

896
00:46:43,640 --> 00:46:46,839
Speaker 1: arms begin to slide in on either side. For luk

897
00:46:47,000 --> 00:46:52,080
Speaker 1: Luka just has the best timing under instinctually can go

898
00:46:52,120 --> 00:46:53,120
Speaker 1: to that kind of thing. And by the way, if

899
00:46:53,160 --> 00:46:55,680
Speaker 1: it fails, I'm sure he's got other subs he can

900
00:46:55,719 --> 00:46:57,640
Speaker 1: go to. He can probably find the back. He can

901
00:46:57,640 --> 00:46:59,880
Speaker 1: maybe turn them on the side, let it go, you know,

902
00:47:00,040 --> 00:47:03,000
Speaker 1: do some ground, maybe passed, go to Mount neon belly.

903
00:47:03,160 --> 00:47:06,320
Speaker 1: I guarantee you he's got attacks off of a failed

904
00:47:07,040 --> 00:47:10,920
Speaker 1: Bravo choke a number of different directions. But he found

905
00:47:10,920 --> 00:47:15,279
Speaker 1: that thing instantaneous. Here's the thing about Kiyesa. He put

906
00:47:15,280 --> 00:47:19,400
Speaker 1: out a statement and you know, he said he was

907
00:47:19,400 --> 00:47:20,880
Speaker 1: really embarrassed. He was in good shape. He put too

908
00:47:20,960 --> 00:47:22,560
Speaker 1: much pressure on himself. I can see that because this

909
00:47:22,640 --> 00:47:25,200
Speaker 1: was a big fight and everything else. I think he'll

910
00:47:25,239 --> 00:47:27,799
Speaker 1: be back. He knows he made a mistake. He knows

911
00:47:27,840 --> 00:47:30,520
Speaker 1: he did. There's nothing I can say or even need

912
00:47:30,560 --> 00:47:36,560
Speaker 1: to say about this that you know he wouldn't know himself.

913
00:47:36,680 --> 00:47:40,720
Speaker 1: Times of times a thousand. He just wasn't careful enough

914
00:47:41,239 --> 00:47:44,440
Speaker 1: going from his back or side whatever it was, to

915
00:47:44,600 --> 00:47:48,880
Speaker 1: his base to stand and then you know, reconstitute the

916
00:47:48,880 --> 00:47:51,520
Speaker 1: fight on the feet. He simply was not He was

917
00:47:51,560 --> 00:47:54,000
Speaker 1: not diligent enough with his defense and he knows that.

918
00:47:54,719 --> 00:47:58,279
Speaker 1: I don't think that's indicative of his game in totality,

919
00:47:58,800 --> 00:48:03,200
Speaker 1: but on this night, you know, you make one mistake

920
00:48:03,320 --> 00:48:07,600
Speaker 1: against Luke from your positioning, and he will, He will

921
00:48:07,640 --> 00:48:10,759
Speaker 1: punish you. He will make you pay. You will pay,

922
00:48:11,760 --> 00:48:15,200
Speaker 1: and Luke, let me say something about this fucking guy's resume.

923
00:48:15,920 --> 00:48:20,640
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, a fighters fighter, a fans fighter,

924
00:48:20,840 --> 00:48:25,399
Speaker 1: a just an absolute bulldozer in the best way. So

925
00:48:25,480 --> 00:48:27,960
Speaker 1: since he lost to Michael Graves, which is his UFC

926
00:48:28,000 --> 00:48:38,640
Speaker 1: debut back in July of twenty fifteen, he's won one two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten, eleven, twelve, thirteen, fourteen,

927
00:48:38,719 --> 00:48:41,400
Speaker 1: only two losses, one to lead On Edwards in twenty

928
00:48:41,400 --> 00:48:44,120
Speaker 1: seventeen and one to Wonder Boy in twenty nineteen. Since

929
00:48:44,120 --> 00:48:48,760
Speaker 1: losing to Wonder Boy, he beat Nico Brown, TKO, Randy Brown, Ko,

930
00:48:49,160 --> 00:48:56,759
Speaker 1: Tyron Woodley, Dars, Michael Kissa, Dars, Folks. That's a four

931
00:48:56,880 --> 00:49:00,440
Speaker 1: fight win streak and he stopped all of them, all

932
00:49:00,480 --> 00:49:01,920
Speaker 1: of them, and you can say whatever you want to.

933
00:49:02,000 --> 00:49:03,840
Speaker 1: Kisa was on a hell of a run before this.

934
00:49:04,320 --> 00:49:07,799
Speaker 1: Woodley was still a former champion, and you know who

935
00:49:07,800 --> 00:49:11,839
Speaker 1: had submitted him like that nobody, you know, both of those,

936
00:49:11,960 --> 00:49:14,799
Speaker 1: both of his last two fights were first round submissions.

937
00:49:15,400 --> 00:49:18,279
Speaker 1: I mean, if you're not careful against Vicente Luking. When

938
00:49:18,320 --> 00:49:20,040
Speaker 1: I say careful, I mean you need to be on

939
00:49:20,160 --> 00:49:24,279
Speaker 1: it like White on rice. He will, he will. He

940
00:49:24,320 --> 00:49:27,120
Speaker 1: will take your arm and neck home quickly and his

941
00:49:27,239 --> 00:49:28,960
Speaker 1: and once he gets to the position, by the way,

942
00:49:29,000 --> 00:49:32,640
Speaker 1: his other part. Like there's obviously many different stages to

943
00:49:32,680 --> 00:49:35,160
Speaker 1: completing a submission. One is getting the latch, you know,

944
00:49:35,200 --> 00:49:37,160
Speaker 1: and whatever it is, whether it's the guillotine or it's

945
00:49:37,160 --> 00:49:40,680
Speaker 1: the uh, your naked choke or whatever it may be,

946
00:49:40,719 --> 00:49:42,719
Speaker 1: and he'll look. You gotta get the bite on it first.

947
00:49:42,800 --> 00:49:44,200
Speaker 1: And then you have to know exactly what to do

948
00:49:44,480 --> 00:49:46,759
Speaker 1: when someone tries to take evasive maneuvers, and he knows

949
00:49:46,760 --> 00:49:49,760
Speaker 1: how to exactly follow and tighten it up and squeeze.

950
00:49:49,800 --> 00:49:52,560
Speaker 1: He's got a million different places to go to that.

951
00:49:52,680 --> 00:49:55,080
Speaker 1: No matter what you do, man, he is the fucking

952
00:49:55,360 --> 00:49:59,719
Speaker 1: man at that submission, very very very good at it,

953
00:50:00,080 --> 00:50:02,879
Speaker 1: super super good. I bet he catches people who are

954
00:50:03,239 --> 00:50:05,799
Speaker 1: better at jiu jitsu than him all the time with

955
00:50:05,880 --> 00:50:08,279
Speaker 1: that thing. I guarantee he does not a doubt in

956
00:50:08,320 --> 00:50:15,560
Speaker 1: my mind. And if you're fourteen and two starting in

957
00:50:15,760 --> 00:50:19,399
Speaker 1: December of twenty fifteen, and you're in a four fight

958
00:50:19,440 --> 00:50:22,719
Speaker 1: win streak and all four of them are via stoppage,

959
00:50:22,760 --> 00:50:25,239
Speaker 1: you are owed a big fight. You are owed a

960
00:50:25,239 --> 00:50:27,440
Speaker 1: big fight. Now, who that might be? I don't know.

961
00:50:27,480 --> 00:50:30,840
Speaker 1: He was calling for Kamara Usman. Obviously Usman's got unfinished

962
00:50:30,840 --> 00:50:32,960
Speaker 1: business with Kolby Covington. I don't think they'll go in

963
00:50:32,960 --> 00:50:38,320
Speaker 1: that direction. But somebody up there, whether it's Jorge, whether

964
00:50:38,360 --> 00:50:41,160
Speaker 1: it's the loser of that bout, maybe.

965
00:50:41,560 --> 00:50:42,239
Speaker 2: You know. I don't know.

966
00:50:42,280 --> 00:50:45,200
Speaker 1: I don't know what they're gonna do, but he is

967
00:50:45,360 --> 00:50:46,960
Speaker 1: he is owed a step up. And by the way,

968
00:50:47,000 --> 00:50:49,959
Speaker 1: isn't he still young? This fucking kid, he's twenty nine.

969
00:50:51,000 --> 00:50:55,040
Speaker 1: I mean, he's he's good, he's really he's fun to

970
00:50:55,120 --> 00:50:58,160
Speaker 1: watch man, and he's a nice guy. He's trilingual, if

971
00:50:58,239 --> 00:51:01,400
Speaker 1: not more than that, he's a hard guy to dislike.

972
00:51:01,680 --> 00:51:04,239
Speaker 1: Vicente Luke is a hard guy to dislike. You know,

973
00:51:04,360 --> 00:51:05,799
Speaker 1: Is he the best walter weight on Earth?

974
00:51:05,840 --> 00:51:06,239
Speaker 2: I don't know.

975
00:51:06,520 --> 00:51:08,520
Speaker 1: We're gonna have to see. So far he's not proven

976
00:51:08,560 --> 00:51:10,960
Speaker 1: to be. But at twenty one seven and one is

977
00:51:10,960 --> 00:51:14,239
Speaker 1: his record at twenty nine years of age, on the

978
00:51:14,320 --> 00:51:17,240
Speaker 1: kind of streak he's on and the composure he showed

979
00:51:17,239 --> 00:51:19,799
Speaker 1: when he had his back taken. I mean, what is

980
00:51:19,840 --> 00:51:22,439
Speaker 1: there not to love about Vicente Luke?

981
00:51:23,360 --> 00:51:23,720
Speaker 2: Nothing?

982
00:51:23,840 --> 00:51:25,719
Speaker 1: Not If you're a real fight fan, that's a real

983
00:51:25,760 --> 00:51:28,160
Speaker 1: litmus test. It's like, oh you're a fight fan. Oh yeah,

984
00:51:28,160 --> 00:51:30,719
Speaker 1: I love fight. See we think about Visente Luke. The

985
00:51:30,760 --> 00:51:33,440
Speaker 1: answer is anything other than that fucking guy? Is you

986
00:51:33,440 --> 00:51:37,680
Speaker 1: know appointment viewing your your opposer? Don't you don't belong here?

987
00:51:37,760 --> 00:51:42,319
Speaker 1: There's one answer to that question, period, and good for him.

988
00:51:42,320 --> 00:51:43,920
Speaker 1: That was a solid win. That was a guy. It

989
00:51:44,000 --> 00:51:46,040
Speaker 1: was a tough competitor he had in front of him

990
00:51:46,040 --> 00:51:48,839
Speaker 1: tonight on a big stage, and he was smooth. He

991
00:51:48,880 --> 00:51:52,480
Speaker 1: was super smooth, very quickly. Tiha Torrez defeating Angela Hill

992
00:51:53,160 --> 00:51:56,359
Speaker 1: two three, twenty seven eight. That was a tough fight

993
00:51:56,440 --> 00:51:59,440
Speaker 1: for Angela. The athleticism, both the strength and the speed

994
00:52:00,080 --> 00:52:03,840
Speaker 1: and the timing of Torres really gave Hill fits, especially early.

995
00:52:05,000 --> 00:52:08,680
Speaker 1: She was walking into stuff constantly. She had a hard

996
00:52:08,719 --> 00:52:11,600
Speaker 1: time establishing range. When she did, she could do some

997
00:52:11,680 --> 00:52:14,719
Speaker 1: interesting things with it. She had her moments to be sure.

998
00:52:14,760 --> 00:52:18,560
Speaker 1: I thought she won the third round, so I would

999
00:52:18,600 --> 00:52:21,240
Speaker 1: have given it twenty eight for Torres, but you couldn't

1000
00:52:21,239 --> 00:52:24,160
Speaker 1: find two rounds for her. Torres has looked great. She

1001
00:52:24,200 --> 00:52:27,920
Speaker 1: had that what four five fight slouch or a slump

1002
00:52:27,920 --> 00:52:30,560
Speaker 1: I should say a few years ago, a couple of

1003
00:52:30,640 --> 00:52:33,200
Speaker 1: years ago maybe, and a boy, she has worked her

1004
00:52:33,200 --> 00:52:35,200
Speaker 1: way out of that, no problem. She had lost four

1005
00:52:35,239 --> 00:52:39,200
Speaker 1: in a row to androge Joanna Jianguaylie and Marina Rodriguez.

1006
00:52:39,239 --> 00:52:41,520
Speaker 1: And you're like, oh, well, three of those are former champions.

1007
00:52:41,560 --> 00:52:44,719
Speaker 1: It's true, but still wasn't a great time in her career.

1008
00:52:44,760 --> 00:52:47,280
Speaker 1: Since then, she beat Brianna van Buren and she stopped

1009
00:52:47,320 --> 00:52:51,000
Speaker 1: Sam Hughes, and then she was clearly the better fighter

1010
00:52:51,040 --> 00:52:53,080
Speaker 1: between her and Angela Hill. And I have a tremendous

1011
00:52:53,080 --> 00:52:55,760
Speaker 1: amount of respect for Angela Hill. I like what she's become.

1012
00:52:56,520 --> 00:52:59,799
Speaker 1: Her record is not indicative of her ability, not by

1013
00:52:59,840 --> 00:53:02,520
Speaker 1: a long shot, but she was. She was up against

1014
00:53:02,560 --> 00:53:07,800
Speaker 1: it tonight again. People who have you know, yes, Torres

1015
00:53:07,880 --> 00:53:10,239
Speaker 1: is fast. She has very very fast hands, and I

1016
00:53:10,360 --> 00:53:13,960
Speaker 1: played a role. But what it wasn't just the speed.

1017
00:53:14,040 --> 00:53:16,520
Speaker 1: Her timing was really good too. And if you have

1018
00:53:16,600 --> 00:53:20,480
Speaker 1: really good timing and you're fast, you're good. That's formidable.

1019
00:53:21,160 --> 00:53:23,560
Speaker 1: It's gonna be quite formidable, and she ran to that

1020
00:53:23,680 --> 00:53:27,600
Speaker 1: over and over again. And by the way, Torres is strong. Jesus,

1021
00:53:27,640 --> 00:53:31,040
Speaker 1: you see them fighting with the wizards in certain positions

1022
00:53:31,040 --> 00:53:33,279
Speaker 1: like I was very impressed. Also, I will say, in

1023
00:53:33,320 --> 00:53:36,360
Speaker 1: defensive Angel Hill, I thought some of her takedowns, you know,

1024
00:53:37,600 --> 00:53:41,759
Speaker 1: some of them didn't work, but the level of technical

1025
00:53:42,400 --> 00:53:46,560
Speaker 1: ability she showed in getting to them and executing them again,

1026
00:53:46,680 --> 00:53:49,120
Speaker 1: even if she couldn't pin the person afterwards, they were

1027
00:53:50,160 --> 00:53:52,799
Speaker 1: She's clearly come a long way, come a long way.

1028
00:53:53,120 --> 00:53:57,000
Speaker 1: And then song Adong defeating Casey Kenny via split the

1029
00:53:57,080 --> 00:54:01,760
Speaker 1: thirty twenty seven for songing On. I don't quite get,

1030
00:54:03,280 --> 00:54:06,000
Speaker 1: but what are you gonna do? Also, that Physiah versus

1031
00:54:06,000 --> 00:54:07,640
Speaker 1: Bobby Green fight was just.

1032
00:54:09,320 --> 00:54:11,280
Speaker 2: Heaven, true heaven.

1033
00:54:11,880 --> 00:54:15,440
Speaker 1: All right, if you have any questions, I will check

1034
00:54:15,480 --> 00:54:20,080
Speaker 1: them out on the Twitter thread. Let's see what you uh,

1035
00:54:20,760 --> 00:54:26,759
Speaker 1: what you folks have to say? Oh God, damn it.

1036
00:54:32,200 --> 00:54:32,680
Speaker 2: There we go.

1037
00:54:35,600 --> 00:54:44,120
Speaker 1: Okay, Oh Jesus, there we go.

1038
00:54:44,280 --> 00:54:52,600
Speaker 2: Let's try one more time. There we go. Okay. What

1039
00:54:52,680 --> 00:54:53,280
Speaker 2: are the odds?

1040
00:54:53,320 --> 00:54:57,239
Speaker 1: Derek Lewis folded under the pressure of the moment. I

1041
00:54:57,760 --> 00:54:59,560
Speaker 1: tend to think that that may have played a role.

1042
00:54:59,600 --> 00:55:01,640
Speaker 1: You saw him if you watch some of the UFC's

1043
00:55:01,640 --> 00:55:06,720
Speaker 1: footage about this fight pre fight that he was feeling

1044
00:55:06,760 --> 00:55:11,239
Speaker 1: it fair enough. It probably played a role, but I

1045
00:55:11,280 --> 00:55:13,040
Speaker 1: think you have to ask yourself as to what extent

1046
00:55:13,640 --> 00:55:16,400
Speaker 1: you know. You know, there's no way to answer this,

1047
00:55:16,480 --> 00:55:19,200
Speaker 1: But if it wasn't a huge role, would the outcome

1048
00:55:19,239 --> 00:55:19,920
Speaker 1: have been different?

1049
00:55:19,920 --> 00:55:20,640
Speaker 2: I would bet not.

1050
00:55:21,000 --> 00:55:26,920
Speaker 1: Personally. Thoughts on the latest version of Francis versus Stepe,

1051
00:55:27,080 --> 00:55:28,840
Speaker 1: when he showed a real ability to be patient and

1052
00:55:28,920 --> 00:55:31,560
Speaker 1: athletic enough to get what he wants, Well, it's true.

1053
00:55:32,280 --> 00:55:34,120
Speaker 1: All Derek has to do is touch you once. It's

1054
00:55:34,200 --> 00:55:36,960
Speaker 1: really true. In regards to Francis, France is still the favorite.

1055
00:55:37,000 --> 00:55:40,000
Speaker 1: I think, so maybe look in your view, how does

1056
00:55:40,040 --> 00:55:42,759
Speaker 1: this result and the rise of Cyril Gon effect one

1057
00:55:43,200 --> 00:55:46,640
Speaker 1: John Jones negotiating leverage. It doesn't change it too. Your

1058
00:55:46,680 --> 00:55:49,520
Speaker 1: expectation of the public's interest in Jones fighting at heavyweight

1059
00:55:49,560 --> 00:55:52,399
Speaker 1: Gon doesn't, I think meaningfully move the needle in that way.

1060
00:55:52,480 --> 00:55:56,359
Speaker 1: Not yet. And Gon's going to be a real tough

1061
00:55:56,400 --> 00:56:00,680
Speaker 1: fight for any I'm telling you, man that dude's gonna

1062
00:56:00,680 --> 00:56:03,040
Speaker 1: be tough to beat. He's gonna be tough to beat.

1063
00:56:03,840 --> 00:56:08,279
Speaker 1: He might he might win for a while we'll see,

1064
00:56:09,800 --> 00:56:11,799
Speaker 1: but I don't know that he's gonna It may make

1065
00:56:11,840 --> 00:56:15,080
Speaker 1: things worse in a sense for John, because I mean,

1066
00:56:15,080 --> 00:56:17,040
Speaker 1: I guess we'll see how the public takes to Gon.

1067
00:56:17,480 --> 00:56:19,880
Speaker 1: Gon doesn't say a whole lot in media, and again,

1068
00:56:20,080 --> 00:56:23,319
Speaker 1: he can deliver finishes. You saw them one tonight, but

1069
00:56:23,440 --> 00:56:25,520
Speaker 1: you might see a lot of like long drawn out

1070
00:56:25,560 --> 00:56:28,640
Speaker 1: performances too. I wonder how the public will react to

1071
00:56:28,680 --> 00:56:31,200
Speaker 1: that and to what extent John fighting him as anything

1072
00:56:31,239 --> 00:56:32,960
Speaker 1: of it, like Francis, is the thing people want to

1073
00:56:33,000 --> 00:56:36,479
Speaker 1: see because he has just blinding power. He sends people

1074
00:56:36,520 --> 00:56:38,080
Speaker 1: to the land of wind and ghosts and they don't

1075
00:56:38,080 --> 00:56:41,400
Speaker 1: come back. Gon's not like that. He doesn't have a

1076
00:56:41,400 --> 00:56:45,560
Speaker 1: superpower like that, not an identifiable one to the casual fan.

1077
00:56:47,560 --> 00:56:49,640
Speaker 1: Would you think of the size disparity between Aldo and

1078
00:56:49,719 --> 00:56:51,640
Speaker 1: Muno's person I think it's unfair that they're in the

1079
00:56:51,640 --> 00:56:57,360
Speaker 1: same weight class. I didn't care about it. Would you

1080
00:56:57,360 --> 00:56:59,400
Speaker 1: think of the ref that scored the fight thirty twenty

1081
00:56:59,400 --> 00:57:03,840
Speaker 1: seven I e Phasiah winning the last round simply unfathomable

1082
00:57:03,840 --> 00:57:07,640
Speaker 1: to me. I do I think his name was Joshua something?

1083
00:57:08,280 --> 00:57:11,759
Speaker 1: The judge there, Dude, if you scored the third round

1084
00:57:13,200 --> 00:57:15,600
Speaker 1: and he deserved to win, so understand what I'm saying.

1085
00:57:15,640 --> 00:57:18,080
Speaker 1: Faziah was the guy that should have gotten his hand

1086
00:57:18,160 --> 00:57:21,320
Speaker 1: raised fair enough, so the right guy won. But if

1087
00:57:21,360 --> 00:57:24,800
Speaker 1: you score the third round for Pasijah over Bobby Green,

1088
00:57:28,400 --> 00:57:32,080
Speaker 1: something is profoundly wrong with you. Like you have a

1089
00:57:32,200 --> 00:57:36,720
Speaker 1: mental deficiency of some kind. You can't compute things rationally.

1090
00:57:40,960 --> 00:57:43,640
Speaker 1: This person writes boxing had roughly four years to make

1091
00:57:43,760 --> 00:57:46,280
Speaker 1: Aj wilder. Dana couldn't wait, so he decided to make

1092
00:57:46,280 --> 00:57:50,880
Speaker 1: it himself. AJ's twin brother gone against a comparatively lesser

1093
00:57:52,280 --> 00:57:54,560
Speaker 1: skilled American with a big right hand. Yes, well, if

1094
00:57:54,600 --> 00:57:57,600
Speaker 1: you have the majority of the world's talent underneath your banner,

1095
00:57:57,960 --> 00:57:59,640
Speaker 1: it's gonna be a lot easier to make fights than

1096
00:57:59,680 --> 00:58:01,400
Speaker 1: it is if they're all spread out and they have

1097
00:58:02,200 --> 00:58:09,400
Speaker 1: shitload more rights. But okay, I feel like if the

1098
00:58:09,400 --> 00:58:11,760
Speaker 1: title fights were three rounds Aldo would have a better

1099
00:58:11,880 --> 00:58:15,800
Speaker 1: chance to win against Yan or TJ. Fair, but he

1100
00:58:15,840 --> 00:58:22,000
Speaker 1: can't keep up with him late. Also fair, I know

1101
00:58:22,080 --> 00:58:24,560
Speaker 1: he doesn't speak English very well, but does Cyril not

1102
00:58:24,640 --> 00:58:27,200
Speaker 1: cutting much of a promo hurt him here to the

1103
00:58:27,360 --> 00:58:29,640
Speaker 1: casual fan and or to the not even.

1104
00:58:29,480 --> 00:58:30,440
Speaker 2: That to the hardcore fan.

1105
00:58:30,560 --> 00:58:36,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, sure, you individual preferences may be like, Oh, it

1106
00:58:36,400 --> 00:58:38,400
Speaker 1: doesn't matter to me at all, that's fine, but there's

1107
00:58:38,400 --> 00:58:39,880
Speaker 1: gonna be a lot of people to whom it does.

1108
00:58:43,360 --> 00:58:46,080
Speaker 1: Do you think the dars is underutilized in the UFC

1109
00:58:46,920 --> 00:58:56,560
Speaker 1: uh No, I think a lot of people are not.

1110
00:58:56,720 --> 00:59:02,040
Speaker 1: Everyone who practices the dars as much as Vicente Luke

1111
00:59:02,240 --> 00:59:04,120
Speaker 1: does is going to be as good at it as

1112
00:59:04,120 --> 00:59:09,360
Speaker 1: he is, right. I hope people understand that, Like Jimmy

1113
00:59:09,360 --> 00:59:11,800
Speaker 1: Hendrix and I could have started playing guitar at the

1114
00:59:11,840 --> 00:59:14,200
Speaker 1: same age and then by twenty one, he was gonna

1115
00:59:14,240 --> 00:59:18,160
Speaker 1: be a lot better than me. Right, Like, just because

1116
00:59:18,160 --> 00:59:20,960
Speaker 1: you train it a lot doesn't mean you're gonna be

1117
00:59:21,120 --> 00:59:23,640
Speaker 1: You can be obviously it will help. But you know

1118
00:59:23,880 --> 00:59:26,640
Speaker 1: when people see like it's underutilized, like I don't know,

1119
00:59:26,840 --> 00:59:29,720
Speaker 1: like how much time is it that you need to

1120
00:59:29,760 --> 00:59:32,240
Speaker 1: invest to get good at it? For positions you find

1121
00:59:32,360 --> 00:59:36,520
Speaker 1: yourselves in routinely may not be underutilized at all. I

1122
00:59:36,560 --> 00:59:38,400
Speaker 1: tend to think it's probably utilized as much as it

1123
00:59:38,440 --> 00:59:40,360
Speaker 1: needs to be. You just see a guy like Vicente

1124
00:59:40,400 --> 00:59:42,640
Speaker 1: Luke who makes it look effortless, and you're like, why

1125
00:59:42,680 --> 00:59:45,520
Speaker 1: why doesn't more people do that? Yeah, because they're not

1126
00:59:45,600 --> 00:59:50,640
Speaker 1: Vicente Luke. That's why other than the Blades win. Can

1127
00:59:50,640 --> 00:59:53,680
Speaker 1: you say the volkoff Ko has inflated Lewis's rep Yeah,

1128
00:59:53,720 --> 00:59:57,000
Speaker 1: but he had other wins where he would like do

1129
00:59:57,640 --> 01:00:01,040
Speaker 1: unusual things and then find ways to, if not get

1130
01:00:01,040 --> 01:00:03,560
Speaker 1: the victory, get a moral one along the way. You know,

1131
01:00:03,640 --> 01:00:05,840
Speaker 1: does he have the very best resume in terms of

1132
01:00:05,840 --> 01:00:06,680
Speaker 1: wins and losses?

1133
01:00:06,800 --> 01:00:06,880
Speaker 2: No?

1134
01:00:07,840 --> 01:00:10,560
Speaker 1: But is it fair to say that the volkov when,

1135
01:00:10,840 --> 01:00:15,960
Speaker 1: while certainly unusual, is it that fluky. It's a little fluky.

1136
01:00:16,040 --> 01:00:18,480
Speaker 1: But at the same time, dude, this guy is capable

1137
01:00:18,560 --> 01:00:23,640
Speaker 1: of late heroics and patient, the kinds of patience to

1138
01:00:23,640 --> 01:00:26,280
Speaker 1: find the right openings too. Likes it is and it isn't.

1139
01:00:28,880 --> 01:00:31,280
Speaker 1: Did you notice how well Aldo shut down the kicks

1140
01:00:31,280 --> 01:00:34,200
Speaker 1: of Pedro. Yeah, dude, I looked at his legs at

1141
01:00:34,200 --> 01:00:36,800
Speaker 1: the beginning of every round, well the second and third round,

1142
01:00:37,320 --> 01:00:39,560
Speaker 1: and they didn't look like they were getting banged up

1143
01:00:39,600 --> 01:00:42,640
Speaker 1: at all. He shut that shit down early on Pedro.

1144
01:00:44,080 --> 01:00:48,320
Speaker 1: Very impressive. You can't stand in front of Pedro like

1145
01:00:48,360 --> 01:00:50,640
Speaker 1: that unless you find a way to shut those kicks

1146
01:00:50,640 --> 01:00:53,320
Speaker 1: down because you're gonna get chewed up doing that game.

1147
01:00:53,360 --> 01:00:55,000
Speaker 1: I think that's why Pedro probably stood there as long

1148
01:00:55,000 --> 01:00:56,400
Speaker 1: as he did because he felt like, if I could

1149
01:00:56,440 --> 01:00:59,760
Speaker 1: just get these going, you know that we can change

1150
01:00:59,760 --> 01:01:05,600
Speaker 1: this outcome. But he couldn't. Who would win Gone or

1151
01:01:05,680 --> 01:01:07,760
Speaker 1: John Jones, as they are both too technical and manage

1152
01:01:07,800 --> 01:01:19,959
Speaker 1: distance well unlike the usual heavyweights. I'm I'll say this, Look,

1153
01:01:22,120 --> 01:01:24,560
Speaker 1: I have no idea how John's going to look at heavyweight.

1154
01:01:24,640 --> 01:01:28,240
Speaker 1: I think there is a grand presumption he's going to

1155
01:01:28,280 --> 01:01:30,080
Speaker 1: look more or less as good as he looked at

1156
01:01:30,160 --> 01:01:32,160
Speaker 1: light heavyweight. But the reality is about his run at

1157
01:01:32,240 --> 01:01:36,480
Speaker 1: light heavyweight is I think his run at light heavyweight

1158
01:01:36,520 --> 01:01:39,680
Speaker 1: was in trouble, maybe not so much from the second

1159
01:01:39,680 --> 01:01:41,800
Speaker 1: coming of Glover to share out or something if Glover

1160
01:01:41,920 --> 01:01:44,600
Speaker 1: ends up beating Jan Blokhovich or whatever. But what I

1161
01:01:44,600 --> 01:01:47,800
Speaker 1: mean to say is I did a video on his

1162
01:01:47,880 --> 01:01:49,840
Speaker 1: takedown defense. If you look at it early in his

1163
01:01:49,880 --> 01:01:52,440
Speaker 1: career versus late, it drops off a cliff later in

1164
01:01:52,480 --> 01:01:55,600
Speaker 1: his career. Now it's still good. It's still very good

1165
01:01:55,720 --> 01:01:59,120
Speaker 1: in certain cases. What has made John very special to

1166
01:01:59,200 --> 01:02:02,200
Speaker 1: me in his late stiage of his career is his defense.

1167
01:02:02,560 --> 01:02:05,480
Speaker 1: He too does not take a lot of abuse, and

1168
01:02:05,520 --> 01:02:09,320
Speaker 1: he finds careful ways to do that. Still, I don't

1169
01:02:09,360 --> 01:02:12,320
Speaker 1: know that he's got exactly what God has. I have

1170
01:02:12,360 --> 01:02:15,240
Speaker 1: to tell you, like, ay, we've seen God at heavyweight.

1171
01:02:15,320 --> 01:02:19,880
Speaker 1: He is a natural heavyweight. And secondly, I think there

1172
01:02:19,880 --> 01:02:22,240
Speaker 1: were warning signs at the end of his run at

1173
01:02:22,320 --> 01:02:25,000
Speaker 1: light heavyweight that made the move to heavyweight probably the

1174
01:02:25,080 --> 01:02:28,720
Speaker 1: right call, which means he might go back to dominating

1175
01:02:28,800 --> 01:02:33,640
Speaker 1: up there. All I'm saying is based on the way

1176
01:02:33,720 --> 01:02:36,160
Speaker 1: things were going at light heavyweight, and he won those fights,

1177
01:02:36,200 --> 01:02:39,000
Speaker 1: although I thought he clearly lost the fight to Dominic

1178
01:02:39,080 --> 01:02:43,840
Speaker 1: ray Is. I think there's at least room to entertain

1179
01:02:43,920 --> 01:02:48,280
Speaker 1: the idea that the presumption that John goes up to

1180
01:02:48,320 --> 01:02:52,000
Speaker 1: heavyweight and just picks off everybody. I don't know that

1181
01:02:52,000 --> 01:02:55,120
Speaker 1: that's going to be automatically true. I want to see.

1182
01:02:55,320 --> 01:02:57,120
Speaker 1: My view is I don't know what's going to happen

1183
01:02:57,160 --> 01:02:59,960
Speaker 1: when he goes to heavyweight, but I'm at least entertained

1184
01:03:00,200 --> 01:03:03,360
Speaker 1: the idea that it won't be this magical arrival moment

1185
01:03:03,680 --> 01:03:05,040
Speaker 1: that people presume it to be.

1186
01:03:05,240 --> 01:03:07,760
Speaker 2: It could be. I'm not telling you that it's not.

1187
01:03:08,320 --> 01:03:11,080
Speaker 2: I literally do not know. But if you just look

1188
01:03:11,120 --> 01:03:11,320
Speaker 2: at the.

1189
01:03:11,360 --> 01:03:13,480
Speaker 1: End of that light heavyweight run, now he's gonna have

1190
01:03:13,520 --> 01:03:15,480
Speaker 1: time off and now guys like Gone are coming through

1191
01:03:15,520 --> 01:03:18,760
Speaker 1: the pipeline. To me the idea that like he's just

1192
01:03:18,760 --> 01:03:21,720
Speaker 1: gonna pick up where he left off, I'm skeptical of

1193
01:03:21,760 --> 01:03:24,960
Speaker 1: that claim, or at a bare minimum, I want to

1194
01:03:25,000 --> 01:03:28,280
Speaker 1: see it play out before I'm like just ready to

1195
01:03:28,280 --> 01:03:32,520
Speaker 1: tell you it's automatically true. So I would kind of

1196
01:03:32,560 --> 01:03:38,600
Speaker 1: favor Gone, to be honest with you. Thoughts on the

1197
01:03:38,640 --> 01:03:42,480
Speaker 1: Gone versus Francis matchup. Do you think Gon poses a

1198
01:03:42,520 --> 01:03:43,760
Speaker 1: significant threat to Francis?

1199
01:03:43,840 --> 01:03:44,000
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1200
01:03:44,040 --> 01:03:50,560
Speaker 1: I do, I very much do Can you stay away

1201
01:03:50,600 --> 01:03:54,680
Speaker 1: from Francis's power long enough to either win five rounds

1202
01:03:55,560 --> 01:03:58,280
Speaker 1: or stop him along the way? Even Stepe couldn't stop

1203
01:03:58,280 --> 01:04:00,720
Speaker 1: that fucking Clydesdale, So good lie luck with that. But

1204
01:04:02,240 --> 01:04:03,960
Speaker 1: do I think he's got the ability to do that?

1205
01:04:04,040 --> 01:04:04,439
Speaker 2: I do.

1206
01:04:05,200 --> 01:04:08,200
Speaker 1: I don't know how likely that is. That I need

1207
01:04:08,240 --> 01:04:10,720
Speaker 1: to go watch more tape to really see, you know.

1208
01:04:10,840 --> 01:04:13,960
Speaker 1: But like if I was Francis, you know, and I

1209
01:04:14,000 --> 01:04:16,560
Speaker 1: wanted to fight the easier of the two matchups, I

1210
01:04:16,600 --> 01:04:20,320
Speaker 1: was going to root for Derek in that one. Gone's

1211
01:04:20,360 --> 01:04:22,920
Speaker 1: a tough fight. Now they have some experience together, and

1212
01:04:22,960 --> 01:04:26,520
Speaker 1: obviously since then, Francis has grown a lot. He's probably

1213
01:04:26,560 --> 01:04:30,120
Speaker 1: a lot different of a fighter, fair enough, I think again,

1214
01:04:30,160 --> 01:04:34,360
Speaker 1: Francis touches anyone right, even halfway right, and it's you know,

1215
01:04:35,200 --> 01:04:40,720
Speaker 1: put that is going to make Gone. It's going to

1216
01:04:40,760 --> 01:04:43,320
Speaker 1: be a difficult thing for God to overcome. Conversely, dude,

1217
01:04:43,400 --> 01:04:47,840
Speaker 1: if Gone is really able to set distance on this guy,

1218
01:04:48,000 --> 01:04:54,360
Speaker 1: that's a that's a tough guy to beat. In this

1219
01:04:54,800 --> 01:04:57,600
Speaker 1: day of prominent calf kicks one more fighters adding a

1220
01:04:57,680 --> 01:05:00,760
Speaker 1: proper defense to their skill set, because it's hard to do.

1221
01:05:05,040 --> 01:05:07,440
Speaker 1: How many fighters can start MMA three years ago and

1222
01:05:07,480 --> 01:05:11,120
Speaker 1: make it to the top of the division. Not many

1223
01:05:11,120 --> 01:05:13,880
Speaker 1: and in not many divisions, but Cyril Gone is one

1224
01:05:13,880 --> 01:05:19,240
Speaker 1: of them. As impressive as Aldo looked over Munno is.

1225
01:05:19,280 --> 01:05:21,000
Speaker 1: How strong do you think his chances are making a

1226
01:05:21,080 --> 01:05:24,800
Speaker 1: run for the belt? Not that strong, not that strong,

1227
01:05:25,280 --> 01:05:29,120
Speaker 1: but not the kind you can discount. I wouldn't. I

1228
01:05:29,120 --> 01:05:32,280
Speaker 1: would not say it's the most likely outcome, but it

1229
01:05:32,360 --> 01:05:41,480
Speaker 1: is not so unlikely as to be dismissable. Why are

1230
01:05:41,480 --> 01:05:43,800
Speaker 1: you covering a UFC card in a red state that

1231
01:05:43,840 --> 01:05:47,400
Speaker 1: allows unvaccinated people to I mean, get get fucked seriously,

1232
01:05:48,360 --> 01:05:51,000
Speaker 1: all right, good snacks during the fight. I did not

1233
01:05:51,160 --> 01:05:55,040
Speaker 1: eat the rice that my wife prepared. She made me

1234
01:05:55,080 --> 01:06:00,840
Speaker 1: some fried rice. I never ate it. Let's see, considering

1235
01:06:00,880 --> 01:06:03,680
Speaker 1: almost no damage absorb by Gone, and that Francis seems

1236
01:06:03,720 --> 01:06:06,200
Speaker 1: ready to fight soon, you think we'll see this fight

1237
01:06:06,280 --> 01:06:08,400
Speaker 1: late in twenty twenty one, Yes, I do. I have

1238
01:06:08,480 --> 01:06:11,080
Speaker 1: talked to Francis's camp. They definitely want to fight this year,

1239
01:06:11,200 --> 01:06:15,960
Speaker 1: for sure. They want to fight I think in September.

1240
01:06:16,560 --> 01:06:19,520
Speaker 1: So you know this idea that like, oh, call us

1241
01:06:19,520 --> 01:06:21,480
Speaker 1: when you're ready to fight, well, I mean, let's please,

1242
01:06:21,560 --> 01:06:25,200
Speaker 1: let's stop playing games. They were ready to fight. But yes,

1243
01:06:25,240 --> 01:06:32,720
Speaker 1: for sure, for sure. Do you have any thoughts on

1244
01:06:32,840 --> 01:06:37,960
Speaker 1: Gone using older style leg kicks to the thigh instead

1245
01:06:37,960 --> 01:06:41,040
Speaker 1: of going to the calf like everyone else these days?

1246
01:06:41,160 --> 01:06:41,920
Speaker 2: No, I don't.

1247
01:06:42,160 --> 01:06:45,640
Speaker 1: That's curious, maybe something he hasn't trained because one of

1248
01:06:45,680 --> 01:06:47,720
Speaker 1: the there's many benefits to the calfkick, but one of

1249
01:06:47,760 --> 01:06:49,920
Speaker 1: him you can actually stand a little bit further away,

1250
01:06:50,800 --> 01:06:54,200
Speaker 1: and that would you would think would be something that

1251
01:06:54,680 --> 01:06:59,080
Speaker 1: he would prefer. But you know what I was, this

1252
01:06:59,160 --> 01:07:02,520
Speaker 1: is a true story and told you guys this. I

1253
01:07:02,560 --> 01:07:05,840
Speaker 1: had an interview that day, the day that it happened

1254
01:07:06,040 --> 01:07:10,840
Speaker 1: with Fernande Lopez, the coach of Gone, previous coach of

1255
01:07:11,840 --> 01:07:16,440
Speaker 1: Francis and then my daughter got into an accident at

1256
01:07:16,440 --> 01:07:20,280
Speaker 1: the park with her daycare and split her forehead open.

1257
01:07:20,320 --> 01:07:22,360
Speaker 1: You guys may have seen it on the live chat.

1258
01:07:22,720 --> 01:07:24,000
Speaker 1: She had a little bit of a mark here. She

1259
01:07:24,000 --> 01:07:26,960
Speaker 1: had to get twenty stitches. Now, fourteen of them were

1260
01:07:27,000 --> 01:07:29,880
Speaker 1: on the inside, six were on the outside. But it

1261
01:07:29,960 --> 01:07:33,640
Speaker 1: was that day that that happened, and then like the

1262
01:07:33,680 --> 01:07:35,880
Speaker 1: next day, we had to put our pet down.

1263
01:07:35,960 --> 01:07:38,920
Speaker 2: And then like that, wait, how'd it go? No?

1264
01:07:39,160 --> 01:07:42,080
Speaker 1: So then right, so she cut herself that day, went

1265
01:07:42,120 --> 01:07:44,680
Speaker 1: to the hospital and then that's right. Then I think

1266
01:07:44,840 --> 01:07:46,760
Speaker 1: the next morning of the baby that ye, that's right,

1267
01:07:46,800 --> 01:07:48,960
Speaker 1: I think the next morning. I'll get my days confused here.

1268
01:07:49,000 --> 01:07:50,880
Speaker 1: But it was right after that that we had to

1269
01:07:50,880 --> 01:07:52,080
Speaker 1: put our pet down. Then I had to go to

1270
01:07:52,160 --> 01:07:55,440
Speaker 1: Vegas for the Connor McGregor and Poitier trilogy, and my

1271
01:07:55,520 --> 01:07:58,440
Speaker 1: whole plans with fernand Lopez got blown up. I owe

1272
01:07:58,480 --> 01:08:00,520
Speaker 1: that guy an interview. I'll reached back out to him

1273
01:08:00,560 --> 01:08:02,160
Speaker 1: see if he wants to do it. Hopefully he does,

1274
01:08:03,120 --> 01:08:05,160
Speaker 1: but I had to. I had to. I was on

1275
01:08:05,200 --> 01:08:08,600
Speaker 1: WhatsApp with Franan Lopez at the fucking er being like,

1276
01:08:08,960 --> 01:08:11,200
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna make it today. He was very understanding.

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Speaker 1: But I'll ask him is what is how I'm answering

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Speaker 1: that question. What was your fight of the night paziav

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Speaker 1: in Green period? Easy call? Uh, there's asking about fernand

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Speaker 1: Lopez's Sitial Gone the most technical striker of all time

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Speaker 1: in the heavyweight division.

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Speaker 2: I don't know.

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Speaker 1: Overheim's pretty technical K one champion. Someone asks, the longer

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Speaker 1: it goes, the more it favors Gone over at Francis Right,

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Speaker 1: If Francis's power carries late and Gone is playing it

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Speaker 1: closer later, not necessarily, It depends how much Francis has

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Speaker 1: drained early.

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Speaker 2: What's next for Derek?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, somebody in the top ten, top seven ish? A

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Speaker 1: lot of the same questions In answering the question about

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Speaker 1: like is Cyril Gone the most technical? Cyril Gone is

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Speaker 1: the most is one of the most technical, while rejecting

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Speaker 1: the idea that we have to kind of mix it

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Speaker 1: up at risk, you know, because Overham had that Dutch

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Speaker 1: style or he was kind of hands up, he would

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Speaker 1: just walking to you a little bit sometimes, you know,

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Speaker 1: that's not what Gon does. Is Gone the next generation

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Speaker 1: of heavyweight? Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think he is.

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Speaker 1: Luke versus Edwards or Luke versus Masvidal next, I'd like

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Speaker 1: to see Luke versus Masvidal. I think that would be

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Speaker 1: fucking awesome, those two boys getting after it. You know,

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Speaker 1: all right, people insulting Derek Lewis, which I'm going to ignore.

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Speaker 1: Considering Pedro and Cody both have sixty five inch reach,

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Speaker 1: do you think Cody really would have been able to

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Speaker 1: beat him with pure skill?

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Speaker 2: Cody Garbrandt. I don't think so, And then that's it.

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Speaker 1: Uh. Should John have taken a crack at heavyweight early

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Speaker 1: in his career? Yeah, I think so if I was

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Speaker 1: John and I'm not, and I seriously doubt he had it.

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Speaker 1: Gives it a flying fuck what I have to say.

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Speaker 1: But if I'm just reading the room here a little bit,

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Speaker 1: I don't know how he'll do it heavyweight.

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Speaker 2: Again.

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Speaker 1: We have to also entertain the possibility he'll go in

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Speaker 1: there and look really, really strong. And you know, all

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Speaker 1: of this these takes I've given you will over time

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Speaker 1: show to be wrong. Fine, but I think the way

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Speaker 1: to play it was like, if you want to get

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Speaker 1: out of your deal, and maybe he doesn't, and it's

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Speaker 1: hard to say exactly what he wants, but like there's

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Speaker 1: an argument to be made, like to just take the

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Speaker 1: fights at heavyweight that you could have taken, and you

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Speaker 1: know you would have been doing it for less than

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Speaker 1: you think you're worth.

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Speaker 2: And that's that, this, that and the other.

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Speaker 1: But you'd be through with a big or at least

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Speaker 1: you know, partly through with a big part of the

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Speaker 1: chapter of your career. And I think in a way

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Speaker 1: where he was much more up to those challenges. I

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Speaker 1: don't think he's as up to those challenges as he

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Speaker 1: once was personally personally, but that doesn't mean he can't win.

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Speaker 1: Doesn't mean he won't win, does me? And I'm right,

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Speaker 1: just kind of like a semi hunch, even one I

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Speaker 1: can't prove, so how how how right?

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Speaker 2: Could it be? Not that right?

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Speaker 1: But it's just something to think about. I think the

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Speaker 1: way is the way I would put it's at least

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Speaker 1: worth considering this guy. This idea of automatic coronation. We're

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Speaker 1: gonna have to pump the brakes on that one a

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Speaker 1: little bit.

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Speaker 2: Uh.

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Speaker 1: Okay, that's it for me. I appreciate everybody who watched

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Speaker 1: thumbs up. Hit subscribe, Please hit subscribe. It really matters

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Speaker 1: a lot where we're really trying to do some stuff

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Speaker 1: over here. I gotta have a little extra mic will

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Speaker 1: hmm delicioso. Ummm yeah, that's it for me, So I

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Speaker 1: appreciate you guys watching mk is back Monday, eleven am

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Speaker 1: in the East. You can email me Luke Thomas news

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Speaker 1: at gmail dot com and uh yeah, until next time,

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Speaker 1: get some sleep.