WEBVTT - Part Three: The Young Lords: How Some Puerto Rican Socialists Changed Everything 0:00:00.560 --> 0:00:03.480 Hello, and welcome to Inside Podcasting, the podcast where we 0:00:03.520 --> 0:00:05.200 give you all the tips and tricks you need to 0:00:05.240 --> 0:00:08.799 run a successful podcast. Our first tip, I'm gonna give 0:00:08.800 --> 0:00:10.360 it to you for free, is don't try and come 0:00:10.440 --> 0:00:13.040 up with a clever podcast introduction for every single episode, 0:00:13.360 --> 0:00:17.000 because it gets old and boring and then you find 0:00:17.000 --> 0:00:21.040 yourself doing introductions like this instead of saying, is this cool? 0:00:21.040 --> 0:00:23.640 People did cool stuff? I'm your host, Mariya Kiljoy, which 0:00:23.680 --> 0:00:25.239 is much nicer and easier to say. 0:00:25.440 --> 0:00:25.759 You see. 0:00:26.280 --> 0:00:29.160 That's that's the first tip on this. Okay, so with 0:00:29.200 --> 0:00:31.760 me today is a Linda Segata Allow. 0:00:32.920 --> 0:00:34.880 I'm good, I'm happy to be here. 0:00:35.520 --> 0:00:35.800 Yay. 0:00:36.880 --> 0:00:39.320 Usually I'm like, on this day, that's totally a different 0:00:39.400 --> 0:00:40.920 day than last time. But this time it is a 0:00:40.920 --> 0:00:42.520 different day than last It is. 0:00:42.920 --> 0:00:46.520 We're older, wiser, yeah, and last week. 0:00:48.440 --> 0:00:50.800 And I'm on more antibiotics than I was last week. 0:00:50.840 --> 0:00:52.440 But I have less tooth pain, so that. 0:00:52.479 --> 0:00:53.320 Is an advantage. 0:00:54.080 --> 0:00:56.960 Yeah. I think I did the last recording with like 0:00:57.120 --> 0:00:58.200 wisdom tooth infection. 0:00:59.120 --> 0:01:01.840 Oh wow, Psycho Alec. 0:01:02.600 --> 0:01:08.119 Yeah, our producer is back. We're no longer running Rudderless. 0:01:08.160 --> 0:01:10.560 We have Sophie Lichtman with us. Sophie, how are you doing? 0:01:11.200 --> 0:01:12.959 Is that what happens when I'm not here? 0:01:14.440 --> 0:01:16.800 We were lost? It was my first time, but I 0:01:16.920 --> 0:01:18.440 was lost about you. 0:01:18.840 --> 0:01:23.880 Oh thank you, Alnda, Magpie. That was not your first rodeo. 0:01:29.840 --> 0:01:32.959 Oh I'm glad to be back and excited excited to 0:01:33.000 --> 0:01:34.720 hear parts three and four. 0:01:35.800 --> 0:01:41.080 Yeah okay. Also, our audio engineers, Ian, thanks Ian for 0:01:41.160 --> 0:01:43.600 doing the thankless work. Our theme music was written for 0:01:43.680 --> 0:01:46.560 us by un Woman. This week we are picking up 0:01:46.560 --> 0:01:48.800 where we left off last week for our second ever 0:01:48.880 --> 0:01:51.880 four parter. Go back and listen to parts one and two. 0:01:51.960 --> 0:01:54.480 What's wrong with you? Why do you start on episode 0:01:54.480 --> 0:01:57.560 three of a four part You're probably the kind of 0:01:57.560 --> 0:02:00.000 person who can read comic books. I can't read common 0:02:00.120 --> 0:02:01.680 books because I don't know where to start. 0:02:02.240 --> 0:02:04.040 Wow, really you start wherever? 0:02:04.600 --> 0:02:04.840 I know? 0:02:04.920 --> 0:02:08.080 That's the word for me, to be fair, Magpie. 0:02:08.120 --> 0:02:10.840 We just made We just made an off Mike argument 0:02:10.880 --> 0:02:12.680 for why you would start at the end of something 0:02:12.720 --> 0:02:15.120 instead of at the beginning, Because you might find out 0:02:15.200 --> 0:02:17.919 somebody that you think is a hero is actually a really, 0:02:17.960 --> 0:02:19.960 really bad person in their personal life. 0:02:20.400 --> 0:02:23.360 Oh that's true. I actually, for research purposes, should probably 0:02:23.400 --> 0:02:25.799 start all biographies about three quarters of the way through 0:02:25.800 --> 0:02:29.560 the book and read through the ends. Yeah yeah, all right, 0:02:29.600 --> 0:02:32.960 fair enough, Well that's not what's happening in this particular episode. 0:02:33.480 --> 0:02:37.520 They you know, no one's perfect, no group is perfect. 0:02:38.320 --> 0:02:41.639 But we're focusing on the stuff that the Young Lords did, 0:02:42.400 --> 0:02:44.600 and there was way too much good shit to just 0:02:44.639 --> 0:02:47.720 do in two episodes. So here we are. We are 0:02:47.760 --> 0:02:50.000 talking about the Young Lords, a Puerto Rican street gang 0:02:50.040 --> 0:02:53.120 turned activist organization who where we left off, is just 0:02:53.320 --> 0:02:56.080 rocking shit in New York City. They're setting trash on fire, 0:02:56.160 --> 0:02:58.480 but in a good way. I feel like there's like 0:02:58.520 --> 0:03:02.000 good and bad ways to set trash on and they're 0:03:02.000 --> 0:03:04.440 all set to come into their own so let's watch 0:03:04.480 --> 0:03:08.520 them do it. So they've just burned a whole bunch 0:03:08.560 --> 0:03:10.800 of garbage and gotten the city to be like, maybe 0:03:10.800 --> 0:03:13.680 we need to do something about this garbage because these 0:03:13.880 --> 0:03:16.160 radicals keep setting it all on fire and blocking the roads. 0:03:17.400 --> 0:03:19.560 So they open up a storefront because now they're way 0:03:19.560 --> 0:03:23.400 more popular than they were, and they turned to organization. 0:03:24.120 --> 0:03:27.079 They started operating more like having autonomous working groups that 0:03:27.160 --> 0:03:30.359 work on different issues. And one of the autonomous working 0:03:30.400 --> 0:03:33.040 groups they set up is really interesting to me. They 0:03:33.320 --> 0:03:36.840 set up police watch organizations to go watch the police, right, 0:03:37.440 --> 0:03:40.960 uh huh. And these were community led rather than just 0:03:41.080 --> 0:03:42.640 led by the young Lords. 0:03:42.320 --> 0:03:43.400 Which no one else. 0:03:44.400 --> 0:03:47.480 Yeah, like I haven't because I haven't done a Panther's 0:03:47.480 --> 0:03:50.480 episode yet. I'm not trying to contrast to the Panthers' 0:03:51.000 --> 0:03:54.200 ideas of police watch and stuff. But if you're going 0:03:54.240 --> 0:03:56.520 to have a membership organization with a hierarchy, please do 0:03:56.560 --> 0:04:00.280 shit like this. It was an autonomous affiliate network of 0:04:00.360 --> 0:04:03.680 neighbor neighbors circles, and most of the volunteers were men 0:04:03.720 --> 0:04:07.080 and women in their forties, not directly affiliated with the Lords. 0:04:07.360 --> 0:04:10.640 I think this was to basically have like cooler heads, 0:04:11.080 --> 0:04:14.360 like people were a bit calmer and more trustworthy in 0:04:14.360 --> 0:04:16.760 this way or whatever, you know, and they focused on 0:04:16.839 --> 0:04:22.080 conflict de escalation. They also helped resist unlawful arrests WHOA. 0:04:22.880 --> 0:04:25.760 And their goal was to eventually make the police obsolete. 0:04:26.040 --> 0:04:26.920 I really like this. 0:04:27.960 --> 0:04:30.920 Yeah, I also really like that. 0:04:31.960 --> 0:04:34.920 I know, I'm like, why doesn't this just happen? Why 0:04:34.920 --> 0:04:38.719 don't people just make the police. I mean, probably a 0:04:38.720 --> 0:04:40.560 lot of people who try to make the police obsolete 0:04:40.600 --> 0:04:43.599 by either going to jail or becoming worse than the cops, 0:04:43.600 --> 0:04:46.799 but like the partner, Shure tried to make comps obsolete, 0:04:46.839 --> 0:04:52.000 but he sucks. Anyway. They were unarmed, or at least 0:04:52.000 --> 0:04:54.480 they were not armed with firearms, which wasn't a moral 0:04:54.520 --> 0:04:57.040 decision but instead a strategic one within the context they 0:04:57.040 --> 0:04:59.480 were in. Actually, most of what the Young Lords are 0:04:59.520 --> 0:05:02.480 doing is unarmed compared to a lot of other organizations. 0:05:02.680 --> 0:05:04.520 We're going to talk about what weapons they did use. 0:05:04.680 --> 0:05:08.040 Have you Have you heard what weapon their like signature 0:05:08.080 --> 0:05:11.000 weapon was. No, I'm not going to tell you yet. 0:05:11.000 --> 0:05:12.720 It's going to come up later in the script. 0:05:12.960 --> 0:05:14.159 Okay, so good. 0:05:14.520 --> 0:05:16.440 I want you to think about what would be the coolest, 0:05:19.320 --> 0:05:22.479 like non gun weapon that they could have. 0:05:23.000 --> 0:05:25.520 I know, right now I'm picturing like chain with the 0:05:25.560 --> 0:05:26.760 ball with the spikes on it. 0:05:27.720 --> 0:05:28.480 That's pretty good. 0:05:28.720 --> 0:05:30.960 Is it a battle axe? 0:05:31.360 --> 0:05:34.400 Nope, it's not a flail. It's not a battle axe. 0:05:34.640 --> 0:05:35.640 Okay. 0:05:36.640 --> 0:05:39.760 When I do my spinoff episode Great Medieval Weapons of 0:05:39.920 --> 0:05:44.000 History to explain the difference in morning stars and flails, 0:05:45.320 --> 0:05:47.799 and they like argument about whether or not the flail 0:05:47.839 --> 0:05:52.680 was actually historically used medieval Okay. Anyway, so they waited 0:05:52.760 --> 0:05:55.000 until they had buy in from the community before they 0:05:55.000 --> 0:05:57.880 even started this organization. They didn't just be like, oh, 0:05:57.920 --> 0:05:59.960 we're the new cops in town. We're going to start 0:06:00.120 --> 0:06:03.279 roaming the streets. They ended up with two hundred volunteers 0:06:03.320 --> 0:06:05.839 that patrolled a five block area around their storefront. 0:06:06.360 --> 0:06:09.599 Holy shit. Yeah, yeah, hundred people is a lot of 0:06:09.600 --> 0:06:11.360 people I know. 0:06:11.920 --> 0:06:15.359 And like, I want to know more about its organizational models. 0:06:15.640 --> 0:06:17.440 I mean, yeah, it's like my nerd shit as I 0:06:17.480 --> 0:06:20.400 want to figure out where they were hierarchical, where they 0:06:20.440 --> 0:06:23.640 weren't hierarchical, where they like moved into different realms. But 0:06:24.680 --> 0:06:28.680 you know, they also launched a children's breakfast program working 0:06:28.680 --> 0:06:31.359 together with the Black Panthers. I think that, and this 0:06:31.440 --> 0:06:33.880 is an inference from several sources, but I think that 0:06:33.960 --> 0:06:36.360 this is because the Panthers they're on the downswing because 0:06:36.360 --> 0:06:38.800 the Panther twenty one trial, right, So the young Lords 0:06:38.800 --> 0:06:41.480 are stepping up and the Panthers are helping them do it. 0:06:42.080 --> 0:06:45.920 And the cops work really hard to discourage parents from 0:06:46.000 --> 0:06:49.960 letting their kids participate, saying basically like, oh, they're a gang, 0:06:50.000 --> 0:06:53.120 don't let your kids fall into that gang. Keep your 0:06:53.200 --> 0:06:59.200 kids away from you know, the evil young Lords or whatever. Yeah, 0:06:59.560 --> 0:07:04.560 it didn't lots of people went working out of this storefront. 0:07:04.560 --> 0:07:08.160 The community just pours and support from all corners. There's 0:07:08.320 --> 0:07:11.200 local thieves who are like, hey, do you want some chairs? 0:07:11.200 --> 0:07:13.600 We stole out of this VW. And that's where all 0:07:13.600 --> 0:07:18.840 the chairs in the office came from. Healthcare professionals donated 0:07:18.920 --> 0:07:21.920 medicine and volunteered, and there was an informal clinic run 0:07:21.920 --> 0:07:26.040 out of there, probably hanging out on the VW chairs 0:07:26.040 --> 0:07:29.040 that were stolen out of. I mean, whoever's VW was 0:07:29.040 --> 0:07:30.680 was maybe mad, but you know, maybe they wanted to 0:07:30.720 --> 0:07:32.200 a richer neighborhood to do it. And who knows. 0:07:32.880 --> 0:07:34.280 Bread sourcing ye. 0:07:37.360 --> 0:07:40.040 From each according to ability to steal, to each according 0:07:40.040 --> 0:07:45.400 to need of stolen goods. They kept the whole block 0:07:45.480 --> 0:07:48.600 clean because that was like kind of their initial thing anyway, 0:07:48.680 --> 0:07:51.800 Right that there's a like physically clean the streets, not 0:07:51.960 --> 0:07:55.200 metaphorically cleaned the streets, although we'll talk about some of 0:07:55.240 --> 0:07:57.560 their how they handled drug dealers in a little bit later. 0:07:58.320 --> 0:08:01.560 Because people loved them. Yeah, they set them out in 0:08:01.600 --> 0:08:06.240 the trash on fire. Everyone liked them. Fire makes friends, apparently, I. 0:08:06.160 --> 0:08:08.080 Know I would I would think there'd be more of 0:08:08.120 --> 0:08:11.600 a backlash. I'm pretty excited that people were like, way 0:08:11.640 --> 0:08:13.400 to go, guys, someone had to do it. 0:08:14.920 --> 0:08:18.320 Yeah, Like I struggle to imagine that right now, in 0:08:18.400 --> 0:08:20.520 most places you could go burn a bunch of trash 0:08:20.520 --> 0:08:24.000 in the street and make do more than polarize people. 0:08:24.600 --> 0:08:28.680 Yeah, but I guess. I mean the need was so 0:08:28.920 --> 0:08:31.680 great that they, you know, that the community was just 0:08:31.720 --> 0:08:34.040 like something had to happen. We needed our trash to 0:08:34.040 --> 0:08:34.719 get picked up. 0:08:35.120 --> 0:08:39.000 Yeah, yeah, totally. And I bet you it's like, I 0:08:39.040 --> 0:08:41.560 bet you. The first half was like half the people 0:08:41.640 --> 0:08:44.440 were like, fuck yeah, burning trash, this rules, fuck the man, 0:08:44.800 --> 0:08:46.560 and the other half was like I don't know about that. 0:08:46.600 --> 0:08:48.640 But then when it like worked and people started picking 0:08:48.720 --> 0:08:50.640 up the trash regularly, they were like, oh all right, 0:08:51.600 --> 0:08:55.120 and so there are this much larger organization. Now. Some 0:08:55.160 --> 0:08:58.000 of them are still in high school. So the Young 0:08:58.080 --> 0:09:00.960 Lords managed to continue their name, but a lot of 0:09:01.000 --> 0:09:03.880 them dropped out of college and high school to work 0:09:03.880 --> 0:09:06.559 on this. There's a lot of ex college kids. This 0:09:06.640 --> 0:09:08.640 is a pattern we see across the late sixties early 0:09:08.679 --> 0:09:11.680 seventies movements, is that people go full time to work 0:09:11.679 --> 0:09:13.560 on this stuff. And the people who can go full 0:09:13.600 --> 0:09:16.959 time are people who are like, why would I want 0:09:16.960 --> 0:09:18.720 a degree when instead I can change the world. 0:09:19.440 --> 0:09:19.880 Yeah. 0:09:20.200 --> 0:09:22.440 As someone who made that decision myself, I have a 0:09:22.480 --> 0:09:23.679 particular affinity for this. 0:09:24.400 --> 0:09:25.240 Yeah. 0:09:25.440 --> 0:09:31.319 No, no, everyone who finished their degrees, that's great. Fuck. Yeah. Anyway, 0:09:31.840 --> 0:09:34.720 they start working alongside the welfare rights movement. They're just 0:09:34.720 --> 0:09:38.120 involved in everything. Because a fourteen year old young lord 0:09:38.200 --> 0:09:41.480 got arrested at a welfare rights demonstration. As far as 0:09:41.520 --> 0:09:43.520 I didn't put this in the script, but basically, I 0:09:43.520 --> 0:09:46.400 think he was like walking home from somewhere and he 0:09:46.480 --> 0:09:48.800 saw a bunch of women like doing a sit in 0:09:49.320 --> 0:09:51.760 and were like He was like, oh, I'm with them, 0:09:51.880 --> 0:09:54.160 and then sat down and got arrested or something like that. 0:09:54.400 --> 0:09:56.880 And he ends up in friend of the pod the Tombs, 0:09:57.360 --> 0:10:00.920 which has been which is locked up everyone in the 0:10:00.960 --> 0:10:02.760 show who's lived in New York over the course of 0:10:02.760 --> 0:10:05.120 one hundred and fifty years, Like we do episodes about 0:10:05.120 --> 0:10:07.319 the nineteenth century, and all of the anarchists are getting 0:10:07.320 --> 0:10:08.040 sent to the tombs. 0:10:08.160 --> 0:10:09.960 Oh wow, and here. 0:10:09.800 --> 0:10:12.240 We are in the nineteen sixties. People are getting sent 0:10:12.280 --> 0:10:14.400 to the tombs. Have you ever been to the Tombs? 0:10:14.440 --> 0:10:15.400 I have no idea if you got. 0:10:15.400 --> 0:10:18.480 Arrest in New York, I have not actually. 0:10:18.280 --> 0:10:20.280 Okay, I never got to have it sent, but. 0:10:20.520 --> 0:10:25.480 The name since a chill down my spine. Yeah, definitely. 0:10:26.559 --> 0:10:28.599 I feel like most guests wou'd be very nervous to 0:10:28.640 --> 0:10:33.880 be like, hey, you ever got to arrest anyway, So 0:10:34.280 --> 0:10:36.319 the welfare movement of the late of the nineteen sixties 0:10:36.360 --> 0:10:38.719 deserves its own episode. At some point they shut down 0:10:38.720 --> 0:10:40.600 New York City a bunch of times. They were fierce 0:10:40.600 --> 0:10:42.880 as fuck. They were women of color lead, and the 0:10:42.920 --> 0:10:45.480 New York Young Lords weren't exclusively men, and some of 0:10:45.480 --> 0:10:48.720 the founders were women. But this alliance STILP helps bring 0:10:49.040 --> 0:10:52.280 gender equity equality into the movement, Like more and more 0:10:52.320 --> 0:10:55.640 women are joining because they're focusing also on this this 0:10:55.679 --> 0:10:58.680 particular thing. And this is something that they keep doing 0:10:58.720 --> 0:11:00.760 over and over again, is that they keep moving and 0:11:02.120 --> 0:11:04.319 working on issues that bring more and more women into 0:11:04.360 --> 0:11:09.040 the movement. And I think that's really cool. By October 0:11:09.240 --> 0:11:12.880 nineteen sixty nine, they put together a thirteen point program 0:11:12.920 --> 0:11:16.400 modeled on the Black Panthers but growing from it as well. 0:11:17.240 --> 0:11:19.320 They use the word Latino in this, which is one 0:11:19.360 --> 0:11:21.640 of the first public uses of the word in this context. 0:11:22.360 --> 0:11:26.440 And as far as I can tell, Yeah, as a 0:11:26.440 --> 0:11:30.160 white person who just read this stuff. Basically, later in 0:11:30.640 --> 0:11:34.120 the nineteen seventies, Hispanic was added to the census, and 0:11:34.200 --> 0:11:36.000 so Latino became more of a word to be like 0:11:36.040 --> 0:11:40.160 fuck Spain, Like what the fuck, we're not from Spain. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 0:11:40.240 --> 0:11:44.959 but this is before that, Yeah, yeah, exactly, So I 0:11:45.000 --> 0:11:47.360 think that they're still already on the like fuck Spain, 0:11:47.400 --> 0:11:48.920 we're not from Spain totally. 0:11:49.840 --> 0:11:51.680 Yeah, they were very much on that tip. 0:11:52.240 --> 0:11:56.160 Yeah. And it also it talks about this this thirteen 0:11:56.200 --> 0:11:59.240 point program. It talks about cross racial solidarity between all 0:11:59.240 --> 0:12:03.079 oppressed people. It talks about internationalism, it talks about women's liberation. 0:12:04.679 --> 0:12:07.000 It doesn't always succeed at doing more than talking about 0:12:07.000 --> 0:12:07.800 these things, but we'll. 0:12:07.640 --> 0:12:08.000 Get to that. 0:12:08.559 --> 0:12:11.640 Yeah. And I believe that at first it was like 0:12:11.679 --> 0:12:15.520 a ten point demand, right, and then I think I 0:12:15.640 --> 0:12:20.280 from what I remember reading, like the parts about battling 0:12:20.320 --> 0:12:25.800 machismo and women's liberation were added because of pressure from 0:12:25.840 --> 0:12:27.840 women within the Young Lords. 0:12:28.240 --> 0:12:29.800 I believe you're right. I wrote a bunch of the 0:12:29.800 --> 0:12:33.440 script a little bit ago. Yeah, it got at the 0:12:33.520 --> 0:12:37.160 very least, it got rewritten to further emphasize these things. 0:12:37.480 --> 0:12:42.720 I think the women's liberation thing was I could be wrong. 0:12:43.000 --> 0:12:44.880 I think it was in there in the beginning, but 0:12:44.920 --> 0:12:47.320 it wasn't as strongly worded, and it was like near 0:12:47.400 --> 0:12:49.480 the end it was like the last point or the 0:12:49.480 --> 0:12:52.360 second less time totally, and so it got like bumped 0:12:52.440 --> 0:12:56.280 up to number three or four or something after after this. 0:12:56.760 --> 0:12:59.320 Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, you're right, because I do remember 0:12:59.480 --> 0:13:02.160 it being thing about like much cheesebo needs to be 0:13:02.280 --> 0:13:05.480 used in a revolutionary way and the women were like, Yo, 0:13:06.120 --> 0:13:10.000 that's not what we're talking about. Actually, that's not possible. 0:13:10.760 --> 0:13:11.959 Yeah yeah, yeah. 0:13:11.800 --> 0:13:13.440 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 0:13:13.480 --> 0:13:17.040 They did so much. Yeah, no, I mean I'm really 0:13:17.040 --> 0:13:20.760 excited about that part of it that they they did 0:13:20.840 --> 0:13:23.800 so much discussion about what is and isn't useful in 0:13:23.880 --> 0:13:27.359 terms of like they're basically having the conversation about masculinity 0:13:27.440 --> 0:13:29.320 versus toxic masculinity totally. 0:13:29.600 --> 0:13:33.160 And there are definite like conversations about gender and about 0:13:33.160 --> 0:13:36.480 how gender is a social construct like that was happening 0:13:36.520 --> 0:13:40.160 within the Young Lords, and a lot of conversation learning 0:13:40.160 --> 0:13:44.199 from gay liberation movements. Like when I read about that, 0:13:44.200 --> 0:13:46.360 that's what really blew my mind and maybe be like, 0:13:46.400 --> 0:13:48.880 oh my god, I'm so proud that these people are 0:13:48.920 --> 0:13:49.560 Puerto Rican. 0:13:50.280 --> 0:13:53.880 Yeah, you know, yeah, because we get presented this like 0:13:54.840 --> 0:13:58.000 because the image of like well, actually, I mean mainstream 0:13:58.000 --> 0:14:00.240 society literally doesn't have an image of the young lads. 0:14:00.320 --> 0:14:03.920 Mainstream society ignores them, right or doesn't know about them. 0:14:04.440 --> 0:14:07.720 And but when we see like the mainstream image of 0:14:08.480 --> 0:14:10.680 radicals in the nineteen sixties, you might see a black 0:14:10.720 --> 0:14:16.079 man with a rifle right and it and there's nothing 0:14:16.240 --> 0:14:18.840 wrong with that image. But it's like, yeah, it's like 0:14:19.600 --> 0:14:22.480 I didn't know that the Black Panthers specifically teamed up 0:14:22.480 --> 0:14:24.640 with a Queer Liberation Front until. 0:14:24.920 --> 0:14:25.480 I didn't know that. 0:14:26.120 --> 0:14:29.920 Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, they They've made explicit statements around 0:14:29.920 --> 0:14:32.120 this time, being like we're with the queers, you know, 0:14:32.720 --> 0:14:36.200 and it's this like, yeah, I mean there's still all 0:14:36.280 --> 0:14:38.520 kinds of like sexism in the chismo, but people are 0:14:38.560 --> 0:14:41.520 so interested in like looking back and pretending like everything 0:14:41.520 --> 0:14:46.880 are these divorced movements. I remember this, No, I'm just 0:14:46.920 --> 0:14:49.320 completely upscripted. I remember this conversation I had with this 0:14:49.400 --> 0:14:52.320 old union miner in West Virginia years ago who was 0:14:52.320 --> 0:14:53.840 like working against mountaintop removal. 0:14:54.640 --> 0:14:55.160 Oh, and. 0:14:56.640 --> 0:14:58.840 I was talking to him and he was like, you know, 0:14:58.920 --> 0:15:02.040 a coal mining hippie in the sixties and he's white 0:15:02.120 --> 0:15:04.440 and he's like, yeah, in the sixties, we were out 0:15:04.440 --> 0:15:06.520 there protesting the war, and then on the other corners 0:15:06.560 --> 0:15:08.840 people protesting for gay rights, and then the other corners 0:15:09.120 --> 0:15:11.640 people protesting for black power. And we were like, why 0:15:11.680 --> 0:15:13.600 are we all on different corners? This is dumb. Let's 0:15:13.600 --> 0:15:15.360 stand on the same corner and then we're stronger. And 0:15:15.440 --> 0:15:20.160 I'm like, oh wow, yeah, yeah, makes me happy. 0:15:20.400 --> 0:15:22.640 It could be that simple, you know. 0:15:23.560 --> 0:15:27.160 You know, and like, as you talked about, and we're 0:15:27.160 --> 0:15:28.360 going to talk about more about it, and I'll be 0:15:28.360 --> 0:15:29.840 curious because I think you know more about this part 0:15:29.880 --> 0:15:32.320 of it than me. The women within this movement had 0:15:32.360 --> 0:15:37.640 to fight for this inclusion, you know. But yeah, so 0:15:37.680 --> 0:15:39.720 they put together a thirteen point program and it ends 0:15:39.760 --> 0:15:42.200 with we want a socialist society. So there's no like, 0:15:43.600 --> 0:15:50.480 you can't really pretend like they're reformists, right. Yeah, they 0:15:50.520 --> 0:15:53.160 were really good at getting reforms, but that wasn't their goal. 0:15:53.640 --> 0:15:53.880 Yeah. 0:15:54.840 --> 0:15:58.320 They set up a bilingual newspaper which they mimiographed themselves 0:15:58.360 --> 0:16:01.400 before eventually getting it produced off proper. It was one 0:16:01.440 --> 0:16:03.280 of the country's first bilingual newspapers. 0:16:03.760 --> 0:16:04.160 Oh wow. 0:16:04.840 --> 0:16:06.800 At its peak, it had print runs of twenty four 0:16:06.840 --> 0:16:13.560 thousand copies rely fit every week, I believe. And it 0:16:13.680 --> 0:16:18.040 was called Polente, which I'll read. I'll read what is 0:16:18.120 --> 0:16:21.160 in a script really quick. Palente is slang that means onward, 0:16:21.280 --> 0:16:24.920 basically from PoTA Olente. There's a sick hooray for the 0:16:25.000 --> 0:16:28.880 riff rap song called Palente. Maybe you've heard of it, Alinda. 0:16:29.520 --> 0:16:29.720 I have. 0:16:29.920 --> 0:16:35.240 It took me two years to write. Oh really it did. Yeah. Yeah, Like, 0:16:35.840 --> 0:16:39.080 I don't know if anyone out there is hard on themselves, 0:16:39.240 --> 0:16:43.320 but you can probably relate to tasking yourself with I 0:16:43.520 --> 0:16:46.880 need to write a song that honors this movement and 0:16:47.040 --> 0:16:51.840 this like you know of my ancestors. So I better 0:16:51.880 --> 0:16:54.520 write a really good song within like four to five 0:16:54.640 --> 0:16:59.880 minutes that encapsulates this, like how much it means to me. 0:17:00.600 --> 0:17:03.080 So it took me about two years to do that. 0:17:05.280 --> 0:17:07.960 That makes a lot of sense. They like, like there's 0:17:08.040 --> 0:17:10.240 episodes I haven't done of cool people who did cool 0:17:10.240 --> 0:17:14.200 stuff yet because I'm like, I'm not ready. Yeah, I'm 0:17:14.240 --> 0:17:18.080 not ready to like cover. I mean, I've done some 0:17:18.320 --> 0:17:20.480 that I kind of felt that way about Stonewall in 0:17:20.560 --> 0:17:23.159 the Spanish Civil War and some other things. Right, But 0:17:23.240 --> 0:17:25.400 there's some that I'm just like, Oh, how the hell 0:17:25.440 --> 0:17:27.520 am I gonna tell this? So that makes a lot 0:17:27.560 --> 0:17:31.560 of sense to me. It's a great song. Anyone who's 0:17:31.600 --> 0:17:34.920 listening should go and listen to this song and great video. 0:17:35.080 --> 0:17:38.400 Also, yeah, my friends Chris Mark, Yeah. 0:17:39.080 --> 0:17:41.280 I actually originally wrote this script for someone else, and 0:17:41.359 --> 0:17:43.280 then I use this part of the script to talk 0:17:43.280 --> 0:17:45.160 about how cool the song is, how people should check 0:17:45.160 --> 0:17:48.399 it out, and then I dragged you on as a guest. Nice, 0:17:48.960 --> 0:17:51.240 so they start putting out, uh, polente, Actually do you 0:17:51.359 --> 0:17:54.480 wanna do you have more of a I'm like, it's 0:17:54.560 --> 0:17:57.560 slang that means onward? Yeah, is there more that you 0:17:57.640 --> 0:17:58.560 could say about. 0:17:58.720 --> 0:18:02.359 What it means? It is true, it's just slang, you know, 0:18:02.840 --> 0:18:05.359 and it's funny within like, at least the experience of 0:18:05.440 --> 0:18:09.080 my family, you know, my dad, who was like a 0:18:09.160 --> 0:18:11.840 total like veteran turned hippie, would be like, oh, yeah, 0:18:11.880 --> 0:18:14.359 why aren't they like the young lords? You know, And 0:18:14.480 --> 0:18:16.320 then other people in my family would be like, that 0:18:16.480 --> 0:18:19.359 just means to literally go forward. There's like dance songs 0:18:19.359 --> 0:18:22.000 about that. Why are you getting all wrapped up in 0:18:22.080 --> 0:18:22.520 this word? 0:18:22.760 --> 0:18:22.920 You know? 0:18:23.960 --> 0:18:27.359 So it's it's like a thing that I feel like 0:18:27.560 --> 0:18:31.560 For me, I was specifically drawn into that word because 0:18:31.600 --> 0:18:33.960 of the Young Lords. And maybe if you don't come 0:18:34.040 --> 0:18:40.000 from like a super like a nerdy background of researching them, 0:18:40.080 --> 0:18:42.560 you might just be like that means like keep a pushing, 0:18:42.960 --> 0:18:46.399 you know. But because of my mind being like totally 0:18:46.480 --> 0:18:48.879 blown by learning about them, I was like, this is 0:18:48.960 --> 0:18:50.440 the word, this is what I need to do. 0:18:51.160 --> 0:18:56.199 Yeah, yeah, no, fuck yeah. Speaking of what we need 0:18:56.320 --> 0:19:02.040 to do, we need to be sponsored the things that 0:19:02.160 --> 0:19:05.960 we hate in order to eat food and feed it, 0:19:06.359 --> 0:19:09.320 feed the food to the people that we like and ourselves. 0:19:10.040 --> 0:19:13.760 So it's been a particular week of like learning about 0:19:13.760 --> 0:19:15.520 a bunch of ads that have managed to slip in 0:19:15.600 --> 0:19:18.760 past our filters. So if you're listening to this in 0:19:18.840 --> 0:19:21.920 Ireland and you get an ad for becoming a cop 0:19:22.000 --> 0:19:27.040 in Ireland, I'm I'm just gonna go ahead and say 0:19:28.320 --> 0:19:30.880 I do not support this particular sponsor. 0:19:31.560 --> 0:19:37.000 Wow, that is just trolling. I know, that really trolling, 0:19:37.280 --> 0:19:41.040 you know, especially. 0:19:40.680 --> 0:19:42.520 If it was like I don't know if as Northern 0:19:42.560 --> 0:19:44.720 Ireland or whatever, like especially feels like a Britan become 0:19:44.760 --> 0:19:46.120 a British cop in Ireland. 0:19:46.720 --> 0:19:49.760 I love to know what category they've slipped in under 0:19:49.760 --> 0:19:53.320 because we have like government blocked and like all those 0:19:53.400 --> 0:19:54.600 categories blocked. 0:19:55.720 --> 0:19:57.960 Yeah, it's like all social club. 0:20:00.800 --> 0:20:03.520 A few years back, we had the Washington State Patrol 0:20:03.920 --> 0:20:06.400 running ads on one of our shows, or a couple 0:20:06.440 --> 0:20:08.640 of our shows, and we were like, what the fuck, 0:20:08.720 --> 0:20:10.520 Like we have all these categories blocked. 0:20:10.560 --> 0:20:11.720 They were under business. 0:20:12.960 --> 0:20:15.399 Oh wow, it's more honest. 0:20:18.200 --> 0:20:27.520 You're like, yes, but yeah, yep, So don't enjoy these ads. 0:20:28.400 --> 0:20:36.880 Yeah, welcome to our life. Here you go, and we're back. 0:20:36.960 --> 0:20:39.639 And it'll be particularly funny because these ads change over time. Right, 0:20:39.720 --> 0:20:42.120 they're not set when we record the episode. They're set, 0:20:42.200 --> 0:20:44.280