1 00:00:00,560 --> 00:00:03,480 Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Inside Podcasting, the podcast where we 2 00:00:03,520 --> 00:00:05,200 Speaker 1: give you all the tips and tricks you need to 3 00:00:05,240 --> 00:00:08,799 Speaker 1: run a successful podcast. Our first tip, I'm gonna give 4 00:00:08,800 --> 00:00:10,360 Speaker 1: it to you for free, is don't try and come 5 00:00:10,440 --> 00:00:13,040 Speaker 1: up with a clever podcast introduction for every single episode, 6 00:00:13,360 --> 00:00:17,000 Speaker 1: because it gets old and boring and then you find 7 00:00:17,000 --> 00:00:21,040 Speaker 1: yourself doing introductions like this instead of saying, is this cool? 8 00:00:21,040 --> 00:00:23,640 Speaker 1: People did cool stuff? I'm your host, Mariya Kiljoy, which 9 00:00:23,680 --> 00:00:25,239 Speaker 1: is much nicer and easier to say. 10 00:00:25,440 --> 00:00:25,759 Speaker 2: You see. 11 00:00:26,280 --> 00:00:29,160 Speaker 1: That's that's the first tip on this. Okay, so with 12 00:00:29,200 --> 00:00:31,760 Speaker 1: me today is a Linda Segata Allow. 13 00:00:32,920 --> 00:00:34,880 Speaker 3: I'm good, I'm happy to be here. 14 00:00:35,520 --> 00:00:35,800 Speaker 4: Yay. 15 00:00:36,880 --> 00:00:39,320 Speaker 1: Usually I'm like, on this day, that's totally a different 16 00:00:39,400 --> 00:00:40,920 Speaker 1: day than last time. But this time it is a 17 00:00:40,920 --> 00:00:42,520 Speaker 1: different day than last It is. 18 00:00:42,920 --> 00:00:46,520 Speaker 3: We're older, wiser, yeah, and last week. 19 00:00:48,440 --> 00:00:50,800 Speaker 1: And I'm on more antibiotics than I was last week. 20 00:00:50,840 --> 00:00:52,440 Speaker 1: But I have less tooth pain, so that. 21 00:00:52,479 --> 00:00:53,320 Speaker 3: Is an advantage. 22 00:00:54,080 --> 00:00:56,960 Speaker 1: Yeah. I think I did the last recording with like 23 00:00:57,120 --> 00:00:58,200 Speaker 1: wisdom tooth infection. 24 00:00:59,120 --> 00:01:01,840 Speaker 3: Oh wow, Psycho Alec. 25 00:01:02,600 --> 00:01:08,119 Speaker 1: Yeah, our producer is back. We're no longer running Rudderless. 26 00:01:08,160 --> 00:01:10,560 Speaker 1: We have Sophie Lichtman with us. Sophie, how are you doing? 27 00:01:11,200 --> 00:01:12,959 Speaker 4: Is that what happens when I'm not here? 28 00:01:14,440 --> 00:01:16,800 Speaker 3: We were lost? It was my first time, but I 29 00:01:16,920 --> 00:01:18,440 Speaker 3: was lost about you. 30 00:01:18,840 --> 00:01:23,880 Speaker 2: Oh thank you, Alnda, Magpie. That was not your first rodeo. 31 00:01:29,840 --> 00:01:32,959 Speaker 2: Oh I'm glad to be back and excited excited to 32 00:01:33,000 --> 00:01:34,720 Speaker 2: hear parts three and four. 33 00:01:35,800 --> 00:01:41,080 Speaker 1: Yeah okay. Also, our audio engineers, Ian, thanks Ian for 34 00:01:41,160 --> 00:01:43,600 Speaker 1: doing the thankless work. Our theme music was written for 35 00:01:43,680 --> 00:01:46,560 Speaker 1: us by un Woman. This week we are picking up 36 00:01:46,560 --> 00:01:48,800 Speaker 1: where we left off last week for our second ever 37 00:01:48,880 --> 00:01:51,880 Speaker 1: four parter. Go back and listen to parts one and two. 38 00:01:51,960 --> 00:01:54,480 Speaker 1: What's wrong with you? Why do you start on episode 39 00:01:54,480 --> 00:01:57,560 Speaker 1: three of a four part You're probably the kind of 40 00:01:57,560 --> 00:02:00,000 Speaker 1: person who can read comic books. I can't read common 41 00:02:00,120 --> 00:02:01,680 Speaker 1: books because I don't know where to start. 42 00:02:02,240 --> 00:02:04,040 Speaker 3: Wow, really you start wherever? 43 00:02:04,600 --> 00:02:04,840 Speaker 2: I know? 44 00:02:04,920 --> 00:02:08,080 Speaker 4: That's the word for me, to be fair, Magpie. 45 00:02:08,120 --> 00:02:10,840 Speaker 2: We just made We just made an off Mike argument 46 00:02:10,880 --> 00:02:12,680 Speaker 2: for why you would start at the end of something 47 00:02:12,720 --> 00:02:15,120 Speaker 2: instead of at the beginning, Because you might find out 48 00:02:15,200 --> 00:02:17,919 Speaker 2: somebody that you think is a hero is actually a really, 49 00:02:17,960 --> 00:02:19,960 Speaker 2: really bad person in their personal life. 50 00:02:20,400 --> 00:02:23,360 Speaker 1: Oh that's true. I actually, for research purposes, should probably 51 00:02:23,400 --> 00:02:25,799 Speaker 1: start all biographies about three quarters of the way through 52 00:02:25,800 --> 00:02:29,560 Speaker 1: the book and read through the ends. Yeah yeah, all right, 53 00:02:29,600 --> 00:02:32,960 Speaker 1: fair enough, Well that's not what's happening in this particular episode. 54 00:02:33,480 --> 00:02:37,520 Speaker 1: They you know, no one's perfect, no group is perfect. 55 00:02:38,320 --> 00:02:41,639 Speaker 1: But we're focusing on the stuff that the Young Lords did, 56 00:02:42,400 --> 00:02:44,600 Speaker 1: and there was way too much good shit to just 57 00:02:44,639 --> 00:02:47,720 Speaker 1: do in two episodes. So here we are. We are 58 00:02:47,760 --> 00:02:50,000 Speaker 1: talking about the Young Lords, a Puerto Rican street gang 59 00:02:50,040 --> 00:02:53,120 Speaker 1: turned activist organization who where we left off, is just 60 00:02:53,320 --> 00:02:56,080 Speaker 1: rocking shit in New York City. They're setting trash on fire, 61 00:02:56,160 --> 00:02:58,480 Speaker 1: but in a good way. I feel like there's like 62 00:02:58,520 --> 00:03:02,000 Speaker 1: good and bad ways to set trash on and they're 63 00:03:02,000 --> 00:03:04,440 Speaker 1: all set to come into their own so let's watch 64 00:03:04,480 --> 00:03:08,520 Speaker 1: them do it. So they've just burned a whole bunch 65 00:03:08,560 --> 00:03:10,800 Speaker 1: of garbage and gotten the city to be like, maybe 66 00:03:10,800 --> 00:03:13,680 Speaker 1: we need to do something about this garbage because these 67 00:03:13,880 --> 00:03:16,160 Speaker 1: radicals keep setting it all on fire and blocking the roads. 68 00:03:17,400 --> 00:03:19,560 Speaker 1: So they open up a storefront because now they're way 69 00:03:19,560 --> 00:03:23,400 Speaker 1: more popular than they were, and they turned to organization. 70 00:03:24,120 --> 00:03:27,079 Speaker 1: They started operating more like having autonomous working groups that 71 00:03:27,160 --> 00:03:30,359 Speaker 1: work on different issues. And one of the autonomous working 72 00:03:30,400 --> 00:03:33,040 Speaker 1: groups they set up is really interesting to me. They 73 00:03:33,320 --> 00:03:36,840 Speaker 1: set up police watch organizations to go watch the police, right, 74 00:03:37,440 --> 00:03:40,960 Speaker 1: uh huh. And these were community led rather than just 75 00:03:41,080 --> 00:03:42,640 Speaker 1: led by the young Lords. 76 00:03:42,320 --> 00:03:43,400 Speaker 3: Which no one else. 77 00:03:44,400 --> 00:03:47,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, like I haven't because I haven't done a Panther's 78 00:03:47,480 --> 00:03:50,480 Speaker 1: episode yet. I'm not trying to contrast to the Panthers' 79 00:03:51,000 --> 00:03:54,200 Speaker 1: ideas of police watch and stuff. But if you're going 80 00:03:54,240 --> 00:03:56,520 Speaker 1: to have a membership organization with a hierarchy, please do 81 00:03:56,560 --> 00:04:00,280 Speaker 1: shit like this. It was an autonomous affiliate network of 82 00:04:00,360 --> 00:04:03,680 Speaker 1: neighbor neighbors circles, and most of the volunteers were men 83 00:04:03,720 --> 00:04:07,080 Speaker 1: and women in their forties, not directly affiliated with the Lords. 84 00:04:07,360 --> 00:04:10,640 Speaker 1: I think this was to basically have like cooler heads, 85 00:04:11,080 --> 00:04:14,360 Speaker 1: like people were a bit calmer and more trustworthy in 86 00:04:14,360 --> 00:04:16,760 Speaker 1: this way or whatever, you know, and they focused on 87 00:04:16,839 --> 00:04:22,080 Speaker 1: conflict de escalation. They also helped resist unlawful arrests WHOA. 88 00:04:22,880 --> 00:04:25,760 Speaker 1: And their goal was to eventually make the police obsolete. 89 00:04:26,040 --> 00:04:26,920 Speaker 1: I really like this. 90 00:04:27,960 --> 00:04:30,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, I also really like that. 91 00:04:31,960 --> 00:04:34,920 Speaker 1: I know, I'm like, why doesn't this just happen? Why 92 00:04:34,920 --> 00:04:38,719 Speaker 1: don't people just make the police. I mean, probably a 93 00:04:38,720 --> 00:04:40,560 Speaker 1: lot of people who try to make the police obsolete 94 00:04:40,600 --> 00:04:43,599 Speaker 1: by either going to jail or becoming worse than the cops, 95 00:04:43,600 --> 00:04:46,799 Speaker 1: but like the partner, Shure tried to make comps obsolete, 96 00:04:46,839 --> 00:04:52,000 Speaker 1: but he sucks. Anyway. They were unarmed, or at least 97 00:04:52,000 --> 00:04:54,480 Speaker 1: they were not armed with firearms, which wasn't a moral 98 00:04:54,520 --> 00:04:57,040 Speaker 1: decision but instead a strategic one within the context they 99 00:04:57,040 --> 00:04:59,480 Speaker 1: were in. Actually, most of what the Young Lords are 100 00:04:59,520 --> 00:05:02,480 Speaker 1: doing is unarmed compared to a lot of other organizations. 101 00:05:02,680 --> 00:05:04,520 Speaker 1: We're going to talk about what weapons they did use. 102 00:05:04,680 --> 00:05:08,040 Speaker 1: Have you Have you heard what weapon their like signature 103 00:05:08,080 --> 00:05:11,000 Speaker 1: weapon was. No, I'm not going to tell you yet. 104 00:05:11,000 --> 00:05:12,720 Speaker 1: It's going to come up later in the script. 105 00:05:12,960 --> 00:05:14,159 Speaker 3: Okay, so good. 106 00:05:14,520 --> 00:05:16,440 Speaker 1: I want you to think about what would be the coolest, 107 00:05:19,320 --> 00:05:22,479 Speaker 1: like non gun weapon that they could have. 108 00:05:23,000 --> 00:05:25,520 Speaker 3: I know, right now I'm picturing like chain with the 109 00:05:25,560 --> 00:05:26,760 Speaker 3: ball with the spikes on it. 110 00:05:27,720 --> 00:05:28,480 Speaker 1: That's pretty good. 111 00:05:28,720 --> 00:05:30,960 Speaker 5: Is it a battle axe? 112 00:05:31,360 --> 00:05:34,400 Speaker 1: Nope, it's not a flail. It's not a battle axe. 113 00:05:34,640 --> 00:05:35,640 Speaker 3: Okay. 114 00:05:36,640 --> 00:05:39,760 Speaker 1: When I do my spinoff episode Great Medieval Weapons of 115 00:05:39,920 --> 00:05:44,000 Speaker 1: History to explain the difference in morning stars and flails, 116 00:05:45,320 --> 00:05:47,799 Speaker 1: and they like argument about whether or not the flail 117 00:05:47,839 --> 00:05:52,680 Speaker 1: was actually historically used medieval Okay. Anyway, so they waited 118 00:05:52,760 --> 00:05:55,000 Speaker 1: until they had buy in from the community before they 119 00:05:55,000 --> 00:05:57,880 Speaker 1: even started this organization. They didn't just be like, oh, 120 00:05:57,920 --> 00:05:59,960 Speaker 1: we're the new cops in town. We're going to start 121 00:06:00,120 --> 00:06:03,279 Speaker 1: roaming the streets. They ended up with two hundred volunteers 122 00:06:03,320 --> 00:06:05,839 Speaker 1: that patrolled a five block area around their storefront. 123 00:06:06,360 --> 00:06:09,599 Speaker 3: Holy shit. Yeah, yeah, hundred people is a lot of 124 00:06:09,600 --> 00:06:11,360 Speaker 3: people I know. 125 00:06:11,920 --> 00:06:15,359 Speaker 1: And like, I want to know more about its organizational models. 126 00:06:15,640 --> 00:06:17,440 Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, it's like my nerd shit as I 127 00:06:17,480 --> 00:06:20,400 Speaker 1: want to figure out where they were hierarchical, where they 128 00:06:20,440 --> 00:06:23,640 Speaker 1: weren't hierarchical, where they like moved into different realms. But 129 00:06:24,680 --> 00:06:28,680 Speaker 1: you know, they also launched a children's breakfast program working 130 00:06:28,680 --> 00:06:31,359 Speaker 1: together with the Black Panthers. I think that, and this 131 00:06:31,440 --> 00:06:33,880 Speaker 1: is an inference from several sources, but I think that 132 00:06:33,960 --> 00:06:36,360 Speaker 1: this is because the Panthers they're on the downswing because 133 00:06:36,360 --> 00:06:38,800 Speaker 1: the Panther twenty one trial, right, So the young Lords 134 00:06:38,800 --> 00:06:41,480 Speaker 1: are stepping up and the Panthers are helping them do it. 135 00:06:42,080 --> 00:06:45,920 Speaker 1: And the cops work really hard to discourage parents from 136 00:06:46,000 --> 00:06:49,960 Speaker 1: letting their kids participate, saying basically like, oh, they're a gang, 137 00:06:50,000 --> 00:06:53,120 Speaker 1: don't let your kids fall into that gang. Keep your 138 00:06:53,200 --> 00:06:59,200 Speaker 1: kids away from you know, the evil young Lords or whatever. Yeah, 139 00:06:59,560 --> 00:07:04,560 Speaker 1: it didn't lots of people went working out of this storefront. 140 00:07:04,560 --> 00:07:08,160 Speaker 1: The community just pours and support from all corners. There's 141 00:07:08,320 --> 00:07:11,200 Speaker 1: local thieves who are like, hey, do you want some chairs? 142 00:07:11,200 --> 00:07:13,600 Speaker 1: We stole out of this VW. And that's where all 143 00:07:13,600 --> 00:07:18,840 Speaker 1: the chairs in the office came from. Healthcare professionals donated 144 00:07:18,920 --> 00:07:21,920 Speaker 1: medicine and volunteered, and there was an informal clinic run 145 00:07:21,920 --> 00:07:26,040 Speaker 1: out of there, probably hanging out on the VW chairs 146 00:07:26,040 --> 00:07:29,040 Speaker 1: that were stolen out of. I mean, whoever's VW was 147 00:07:29,040 --> 00:07:30,680 Speaker 1: was maybe mad, but you know, maybe they wanted to 148 00:07:30,720 --> 00:07:32,200 Speaker 1: a richer neighborhood to do it. And who knows. 149 00:07:32,880 --> 00:07:34,280 Speaker 3: Bread sourcing ye. 150 00:07:37,360 --> 00:07:40,040 Speaker 1: From each according to ability to steal, to each according 151 00:07:40,040 --> 00:07:45,400 Speaker 1: to need of stolen goods. They kept the whole block 152 00:07:45,480 --> 00:07:48,600 Speaker 1: clean because that was like kind of their initial thing anyway, 153 00:07:48,680 --> 00:07:51,800 Speaker 1: Right that there's a like physically clean the streets, not 154 00:07:51,960 --> 00:07:55,200 Speaker 1: metaphorically cleaned the streets, although we'll talk about some of 155 00:07:55,240 --> 00:07:57,560 Speaker 1: their how they handled drug dealers in a little bit later. 156 00:07:58,320 --> 00:08:01,560 Speaker 1: Because people loved them. Yeah, they set them out in 157 00:08:01,600 --> 00:08:06,240 Speaker 1: the trash on fire. Everyone liked them. Fire makes friends, apparently, I. 158 00:08:06,160 --> 00:08:08,080 Speaker 3: Know I would I would think there'd be more of 159 00:08:08,120 --> 00:08:11,600 Speaker 3: a backlash. I'm pretty excited that people were like, way 160 00:08:11,640 --> 00:08:13,400 Speaker 3: to go, guys, someone had to do it. 161 00:08:14,920 --> 00:08:18,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, Like I struggle to imagine that right now, in 162 00:08:18,400 --> 00:08:20,520 Speaker 1: most places you could go burn a bunch of trash 163 00:08:20,520 --> 00:08:24,000 Speaker 1: in the street and make do more than polarize people. 164 00:08:24,600 --> 00:08:28,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, but I guess. I mean the need was so 165 00:08:28,920 --> 00:08:31,680 Speaker 3: great that they, you know, that the community was just 166 00:08:31,720 --> 00:08:34,040 Speaker 3: like something had to happen. We needed our trash to 167 00:08:34,040 --> 00:08:34,719 Speaker 3: get picked up. 168 00:08:35,120 --> 00:08:39,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, totally. And I bet you it's like, I 169 00:08:39,040 --> 00:08:41,560 Speaker 1: bet you. The first half was like half the people 170 00:08:41,640 --> 00:08:44,440 Speaker 1: were like, fuck yeah, burning trash, this rules, fuck the man, 171 00:08:44,800 --> 00:08:46,560 Speaker 1: and the other half was like I don't know about that. 172 00:08:46,600 --> 00:08:48,640 Speaker 1: But then when it like worked and people started picking 173 00:08:48,720 --> 00:08:50,640 Speaker 1: up the trash regularly, they were like, oh all right, 174 00:08:51,600 --> 00:08:55,120 Speaker 1: and so there are this much larger organization. Now. Some 175 00:08:55,160 --> 00:08:58,000 Speaker 1: of them are still in high school. So the Young 176 00:08:58,080 --> 00:09:00,960 Speaker 1: Lords managed to continue their name, but a lot of 177 00:09:01,000 --> 00:09:03,880 Speaker 1: them dropped out of college and high school to work 178 00:09:03,880 --> 00:09:06,559 Speaker 1: on this. There's a lot of ex college kids. This 179 00:09:06,640 --> 00:09:08,640 Speaker 1: is a pattern we see across the late sixties early 180 00:09:08,679 --> 00:09:11,680 Speaker 1: seventies movements, is that people go full time to work 181 00:09:11,679 --> 00:09:13,560 Speaker 1: on this stuff. And the people who can go full 182 00:09:13,600 --> 00:09:16,959 Speaker 1: time are people who are like, why would I want 183 00:09:16,960 --> 00:09:18,720 Speaker 1: a degree when instead I can change the world. 184 00:09:19,440 --> 00:09:19,880 Speaker 5: Yeah. 185 00:09:20,200 --> 00:09:22,440 Speaker 1: As someone who made that decision myself, I have a 186 00:09:22,480 --> 00:09:23,679 Speaker 1: particular affinity for this. 187 00:09:24,400 --> 00:09:25,240 Speaker 3: Yeah. 188 00:09:25,440 --> 00:09:31,319 Speaker 1: No, no, everyone who finished their degrees, that's great. Fuck. Yeah. Anyway, 189 00:09:31,840 --> 00:09:34,720 Speaker 1: they start working alongside the welfare rights movement. They're just 190 00:09:34,720 --> 00:09:38,120 Speaker 1: involved in everything. Because a fourteen year old young lord 191 00:09:38,200 --> 00:09:41,480 Speaker 1: got arrested at a welfare rights demonstration. As far as 192 00:09:41,520 --> 00:09:43,520 Speaker 1: I didn't put this in the script, but basically, I 193 00:09:43,520 --> 00:09:46,400 Speaker 1: think he was like walking home from somewhere and he 194 00:09:46,480 --> 00:09:48,800 Speaker 1: saw a bunch of women like doing a sit in 195 00:09:49,320 --> 00:09:51,760 Speaker 1: and were like He was like, oh, I'm with them, 196 00:09:51,880 --> 00:09:54,160 Speaker 1: and then sat down and got arrested or something like that. 197 00:09:54,400 --> 00:09:56,880 Speaker 1: And he ends up in friend of the pod the Tombs, 198 00:09:57,360 --> 00:10:00,920 Speaker 1: which has been which is locked up everyone in the 199 00:10:00,960 --> 00:10:02,760 Speaker 1: show who's lived in New York over the course of 200 00:10:02,760 --> 00:10:05,120 Speaker 1: one hundred and fifty years, Like we do episodes about 201 00:10:05,120 --> 00:10:07,319 Speaker 1: the nineteenth century, and all of the anarchists are getting 202 00:10:07,320 --> 00:10:08,040 Speaker 1: sent to the tombs. 203 00:10:08,160 --> 00:10:09,960 Speaker 3: Oh wow, and here. 204 00:10:09,800 --> 00:10:12,240 Speaker 1: We are in the nineteen sixties. People are getting sent 205 00:10:12,280 --> 00:10:14,400 Speaker 1: to the tombs. Have you ever been to the Tombs? 206 00:10:14,440 --> 00:10:15,400 Speaker 1: I have no idea if you got. 207 00:10:15,400 --> 00:10:18,480 Speaker 3: Arrest in New York, I have not actually. 208 00:10:18,280 --> 00:10:20,280 Speaker 1: Okay, I never got to have it sent, but. 209 00:10:20,520 --> 00:10:25,480 Speaker 3: The name since a chill down my spine. Yeah, definitely. 210 00:10:26,559 --> 00:10:28,599 Speaker 1: I feel like most guests wou'd be very nervous to 211 00:10:28,640 --> 00:10:33,880 Speaker 1: be like, hey, you ever got to arrest anyway, So 212 00:10:34,280 --> 00:10:36,319 Speaker 1: the welfare movement of the late of the nineteen sixties 213 00:10:36,360 --> 00:10:38,719 Speaker 1: deserves its own episode. At some point they shut down 214 00:10:38,720 --> 00:10:40,600 Speaker 1: New York City a bunch of times. They were fierce 215 00:10:40,600 --> 00:10:42,880 Speaker 1: as fuck. They were women of color lead, and the 216 00:10:42,920 --> 00:10:45,480 Speaker 1: New York Young Lords weren't exclusively men, and some of 217 00:10:45,480 --> 00:10:48,720 Speaker 1: the founders were women. But this alliance STILP helps bring 218 00:10:49,040 --> 00:10:52,280 Speaker 1: gender equity equality into the movement, Like more and more 219 00:10:52,320 --> 00:10:55,640 Speaker 1: women are joining because they're focusing also on this this 220 00:10:55,679 --> 00:10:58,680 Speaker 1: particular thing. And this is something that they keep doing 221 00:10:58,720 --> 00:11:00,760 Speaker 1: over and over again, is that they keep moving and 222 00:11:02,120 --> 00:11:04,319 Speaker 1: working on issues that bring more and more women into 223 00:11:04,360 --> 00:11:09,040 Speaker 1: the movement. And I think that's really cool. By October 224 00:11:09,240 --> 00:11:12,880 Speaker 1: nineteen sixty nine, they put together a thirteen point program 225 00:11:12,920 --> 00:11:16,400 Speaker 1: modeled on the Black Panthers but growing from it as well. 226 00:11:17,240 --> 00:11:19,320 Speaker 1: They use the word Latino in this, which is one 227 00:11:19,360 --> 00:11:21,640 Speaker 1: of the first public uses of the word in this context. 228 00:11:22,360 --> 00:11:26,440 Speaker 1: And as far as I can tell, Yeah, as a 229 00:11:26,440 --> 00:11:30,160 Speaker 1: white person who just read this stuff. Basically, later in 230 00:11:30,640 --> 00:11:34,120 Speaker 1: the nineteen seventies, Hispanic was added to the census, and 231 00:11:34,200 --> 00:11:36,000 Speaker 1: so Latino became more of a word to be like 232 00:11:36,040 --> 00:11:40,160 Speaker 1: fuck Spain, Like what the fuck, we're not from Spain. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 233 00:11:40,240 --> 00:11:44,959 Speaker 1: but this is before that, Yeah, yeah, exactly, So I 234 00:11:45,000 --> 00:11:47,360 Speaker 1: think that they're still already on the like fuck Spain, 235 00:11:47,400 --> 00:11:48,920 Speaker 1: we're not from Spain totally. 236 00:11:49,840 --> 00:11:51,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, they were very much on that tip. 237 00:11:52,240 --> 00:11:56,160 Speaker 1: Yeah. And it also it talks about this this thirteen 238 00:11:56,200 --> 00:11:59,240 Speaker 1: point program. It talks about cross racial solidarity between all 239 00:11:59,240 --> 00:12:03,079 Speaker 1: oppressed people. It talks about internationalism, it talks about women's liberation. 240 00:12:04,679 --> 00:12:07,000 Speaker 1: It doesn't always succeed at doing more than talking about 241 00:12:07,000 --> 00:12:07,800 Speaker 1: these things, but we'll. 242 00:12:07,640 --> 00:12:08,000 Speaker 5: Get to that. 243 00:12:08,559 --> 00:12:11,640 Speaker 3: Yeah. And I believe that at first it was like 244 00:12:11,679 --> 00:12:15,520 Speaker 3: a ten point demand, right, and then I think I 245 00:12:15,640 --> 00:12:20,280 Speaker 3: from what I remember reading, like the parts about battling 246 00:12:20,320 --> 00:12:25,800 Speaker 3: machismo and women's liberation were added because of pressure from 247 00:12:25,840 --> 00:12:27,840 Speaker 3: women within the Young Lords. 248 00:12:28,240 --> 00:12:29,800 Speaker 1: I believe you're right. I wrote a bunch of the 249 00:12:29,800 --> 00:12:33,440 Speaker 1: script a little bit ago. Yeah, it got at the 250 00:12:33,520 --> 00:12:37,160 Speaker 1: very least, it got rewritten to further emphasize these things. 251 00:12:37,480 --> 00:12:42,720 Speaker 1: I think the women's liberation thing was I could be wrong. 252 00:12:43,000 --> 00:12:44,880 Speaker 1: I think it was in there in the beginning, but 253 00:12:44,920 --> 00:12:47,320 Speaker 1: it wasn't as strongly worded, and it was like near 254 00:12:47,400 --> 00:12:49,480 Speaker 1: the end it was like the last point or the 255 00:12:49,480 --> 00:12:52,360 Speaker 1: second less time totally, and so it got like bumped 256 00:12:52,440 --> 00:12:56,280 Speaker 1: up to number three or four or something after after this. 257 00:12:56,760 --> 00:12:59,320 Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, you're right, because I do remember 258 00:12:59,480 --> 00:13:02,160 Speaker 3: it being thing about like much cheesebo needs to be 259 00:13:02,280 --> 00:13:05,480 Speaker 3: used in a revolutionary way and the women were like, Yo, 260 00:13:06,120 --> 00:13:10,000 Speaker 3: that's not what we're talking about. Actually, that's not possible. 261 00:13:10,760 --> 00:13:11,959 Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah. 262 00:13:11,800 --> 00:13:13,440 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah. 263 00:13:13,480 --> 00:13:17,040 Speaker 1: They did so much. Yeah, no, I mean I'm really 264 00:13:17,040 --> 00:13:20,760 Speaker 1: excited about that part of it that they they did 265 00:13:20,840 --> 00:13:23,800 Speaker 1: so much discussion about what is and isn't useful in 266 00:13:23,880 --> 00:13:27,359 Speaker 1: terms of like they're basically having the conversation about masculinity 267 00:13:27,440 --> 00:13:29,320 Speaker 1: versus toxic masculinity totally. 268 00:13:29,600 --> 00:13:33,160 Speaker 3: And there are definite like conversations about gender and about 269 00:13:33,160 --> 00:13:36,480 Speaker 3: how gender is a social construct like that was happening 270 00:13:36,520 --> 00:13:40,160 Speaker 3: within the Young Lords, and a lot of conversation learning 271 00:13:40,160 --> 00:13:44,199 Speaker 3: from gay liberation movements. Like when I read about that, 272 00:13:44,200 --> 00:13:46,360 Speaker 3: that's what really blew my mind and maybe be like, 273 00:13:46,400 --> 00:13:48,880 Speaker 3: oh my god, I'm so proud that these people are 274 00:13:48,920 --> 00:13:49,560 Speaker 3: Puerto Rican. 275 00:13:50,280 --> 00:13:53,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, yeah, because we get presented this like 276 00:13:54,840 --> 00:13:58,000 Speaker 1: because the image of like well, actually, I mean mainstream 277 00:13:58,000 --> 00:14:00,240 Speaker 1: society literally doesn't have an image of the young lads. 278 00:14:00,320 --> 00:14:03,920 Speaker 1: Mainstream society ignores them, right or doesn't know about them. 279 00:14:04,440 --> 00:14:07,720 Speaker 1: And but when we see like the mainstream image of 280 00:14:08,480 --> 00:14:10,680 Speaker 1: radicals in the nineteen sixties, you might see a black 281 00:14:10,720 --> 00:14:16,079 Speaker 1: man with a rifle right and it and there's nothing 282 00:14:16,240 --> 00:14:18,840 Speaker 1: wrong with that image. But it's like, yeah, it's like 283 00:14:19,600 --> 00:14:22,480 Speaker 1: I didn't know that the Black Panthers specifically teamed up 284 00:14:22,480 --> 00:14:24,640 Speaker 1: with a Queer Liberation Front until. 285 00:14:24,920 --> 00:14:25,480 Speaker 3: I didn't know that. 286 00:14:26,120 --> 00:14:29,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, they They've made explicit statements around 287 00:14:29,920 --> 00:14:32,120 Speaker 1: this time, being like we're with the queers, you know, 288 00:14:32,720 --> 00:14:36,200 Speaker 1: and it's this like, yeah, I mean there's still all 289 00:14:36,280 --> 00:14:38,520 Speaker 1: kinds of like sexism in the chismo, but people are 290 00:14:38,560 --> 00:14:41,520 Speaker 1: so interested in like looking back and pretending like everything 291 00:14:41,520 --> 00:14:46,880 Speaker 1: are these divorced movements. I remember this, No, I'm just 292 00:14:46,920 --> 00:14:49,320 Speaker 1: completely upscripted. I remember this conversation I had with this 293 00:14:49,400 --> 00:14:52,320 Speaker 1: old union miner in West Virginia years ago who was 294 00:14:52,320 --> 00:14:53,840 Speaker 1: like working against mountaintop removal. 295 00:14:54,640 --> 00:14:55,160 Speaker 3: Oh, and. 296 00:14:56,640 --> 00:14:58,840 Speaker 1: I was talking to him and he was like, you know, 297 00:14:58,920 --> 00:15:02,040 Speaker 1: a coal mining hippie in the sixties and he's white 298 00:15:02,120 --> 00:15:04,440 Speaker 1: and he's like, yeah, in the sixties, we were out 299 00:15:04,440 --> 00:15:06,520 Speaker 1: there protesting the war, and then on the other corners 300 00:15:06,560 --> 00:15:08,840 Speaker 1: people protesting for gay rights, and then the other corners 301 00:15:09,120 --> 00:15:11,640 Speaker 1: people protesting for black power. And we were like, why 302 00:15:11,680 --> 00:15:13,600 Speaker 1: are we all on different corners? This is dumb. Let's 303 00:15:13,600 --> 00:15:15,360 Speaker 1: stand on the same corner and then we're stronger. And 304 00:15:15,440 --> 00:15:20,160 Speaker 1: I'm like, oh wow, yeah, yeah, makes me happy. 305 00:15:20,400 --> 00:15:22,640 Speaker 3: It could be that simple, you know. 306 00:15:23,560 --> 00:15:27,160 Speaker 1: You know, and like, as you talked about, and we're 307 00:15:27,160 --> 00:15:28,360 Speaker 1: going to talk about more about it, and I'll be 308 00:15:28,360 --> 00:15:29,840 Speaker 1: curious because I think you know more about this part 309 00:15:29,880 --> 00:15:32,320 Speaker 1: of it than me. The women within this movement had 310 00:15:32,360 --> 00:15:37,640 Speaker 1: to fight for this inclusion, you know. But yeah, so 311 00:15:37,680 --> 00:15:39,720 Speaker 1: they put together a thirteen point program and it ends 312 00:15:39,760 --> 00:15:42,200 Speaker 1: with we want a socialist society. So there's no like, 313 00:15:43,600 --> 00:15:50,480 Speaker 1: you can't really pretend like they're reformists, right. Yeah, they 314 00:15:50,520 --> 00:15:53,160 Speaker 1: were really good at getting reforms, but that wasn't their goal. 315 00:15:53,640 --> 00:15:53,880 Speaker 2: Yeah. 316 00:15:54,840 --> 00:15:58,320 Speaker 1: They set up a bilingual newspaper which they mimiographed themselves 317 00:15:58,360 --> 00:16:01,400 Speaker 1: before eventually getting it produced off proper. It was one 318 00:16:01,440 --> 00:16:03,280 Speaker 1: of the country's first bilingual newspapers. 319 00:16:03,760 --> 00:16:04,160 Speaker 3: Oh wow. 320 00:16:04,840 --> 00:16:06,800 Speaker 1: At its peak, it had print runs of twenty four 321 00:16:06,840 --> 00:16:13,560 Speaker 1: thousand copies rely fit every week, I believe. And it 322 00:16:13,680 --> 00:16:18,040 Speaker 1: was called Polente, which I'll read. I'll read what is 323 00:16:18,120 --> 00:16:21,160 Speaker 1: in a script really quick. Palente is slang that means onward, 324 00:16:21,280 --> 00:16:24,920 Speaker 1: basically from PoTA Olente. There's a sick hooray for the 325 00:16:25,000 --> 00:16:28,880 Speaker 1: riff rap song called Palente. Maybe you've heard of it, Alinda. 326 00:16:29,520 --> 00:16:29,720 Speaker 2: I have. 327 00:16:29,920 --> 00:16:35,240 Speaker 3: It took me two years to write. Oh really it did. Yeah. Yeah, Like, 328 00:16:35,840 --> 00:16:39,080 Speaker 3: I don't know if anyone out there is hard on themselves, 329 00:16:39,240 --> 00:16:43,320 Speaker 3: but you can probably relate to tasking yourself with I 330 00:16:43,520 --> 00:16:46,880 Speaker 3: need to write a song that honors this movement and 331 00:16:47,040 --> 00:16:51,840 Speaker 3: this like you know of my ancestors. So I better 332 00:16:51,880 --> 00:16:54,520 Speaker 3: write a really good song within like four to five 333 00:16:54,640 --> 00:16:59,880 Speaker 3: minutes that encapsulates this, like how much it means to me. 334 00:17:00,600 --> 00:17:03,080 Speaker 3: So it took me about two years to do that. 335 00:17:05,280 --> 00:17:07,960 Speaker 1: That makes a lot of sense. They like, like there's 336 00:17:08,040 --> 00:17:10,240 Speaker 1: episodes I haven't done of cool people who did cool 337 00:17:10,240 --> 00:17:14,200 Speaker 1: stuff yet because I'm like, I'm not ready. Yeah, I'm 338 00:17:14,240 --> 00:17:18,080 Speaker 1: not ready to like cover. I mean, I've done some 339 00:17:18,320 --> 00:17:20,480 Speaker 1: that I kind of felt that way about Stonewall in 340 00:17:20,560 --> 00:17:23,159 Speaker 1: the Spanish Civil War and some other things. Right, But 341 00:17:23,240 --> 00:17:25,400 Speaker 1: there's some that I'm just like, Oh, how the hell 342 00:17:25,440 --> 00:17:27,520 Speaker 1: am I gonna tell this? So that makes a lot 343 00:17:27,560 --> 00:17:31,560 Speaker 1: of sense to me. It's a great song. Anyone who's 344 00:17:31,600 --> 00:17:34,920 Speaker 1: listening should go and listen to this song and great video. 345 00:17:35,080 --> 00:17:38,400 Speaker 3: Also, yeah, my friends Chris Mark, Yeah. 346 00:17:39,080 --> 00:17:41,280 Speaker 1: I actually originally wrote this script for someone else, and 347 00:17:41,359 --> 00:17:43,280 Speaker 1: then I use this part of the script to talk 348 00:17:43,280 --> 00:17:45,160 Speaker 1: about how cool the song is, how people should check 349 00:17:45,160 --> 00:17:48,399 Speaker 1: it out, and then I dragged you on as a guest. Nice, 350 00:17:48,960 --> 00:17:51,240 Speaker 1: so they start putting out, uh, polente, Actually do you 351 00:17:51,359 --> 00:17:54,480 Speaker 1: wanna do you have more of a I'm like, it's 352 00:17:54,560 --> 00:17:57,560 Speaker 1: slang that means onward? Yeah, is there more that you 353 00:17:57,640 --> 00:17:58,560 Speaker 1: could say about. 354 00:17:58,720 --> 00:18:02,359 Speaker 3: What it means? It is true, it's just slang, you know, 355 00:18:02,840 --> 00:18:05,359 Speaker 3: and it's funny within like, at least the experience of 356 00:18:05,440 --> 00:18:09,080 Speaker 3: my family, you know, my dad, who was like a 357 00:18:09,160 --> 00:18:11,840 Speaker 3: total like veteran turned hippie, would be like, oh, yeah, 358 00:18:11,880 --> 00:18:14,359 Speaker 3: why aren't they like the young lords? You know, And 359 00:18:14,480 --> 00:18:16,320 Speaker 3: then other people in my family would be like, that 360 00:18:16,480 --> 00:18:19,359 Speaker 3: just means to literally go forward. There's like dance songs 361 00:18:19,359 --> 00:18:22,000 Speaker 3: about that. Why are you getting all wrapped up in 362 00:18:22,080 --> 00:18:22,520 Speaker 3: this word? 363 00:18:22,760 --> 00:18:22,920 Speaker 2: You know? 364 00:18:23,960 --> 00:18:27,359 Speaker 3: So it's it's like a thing that I feel like 365 00:18:27,560 --> 00:18:31,560 Speaker 3: For me, I was specifically drawn into that word because 366 00:18:31,600 --> 00:18:33,960 Speaker 3: of the Young Lords. And maybe if you don't come 367 00:18:34,040 --> 00:18:40,000 Speaker 3: from like a super like a nerdy background of researching them, 368 00:18:40,080 --> 00:18:42,560 Speaker 3: you might just be like that means like keep a pushing, 369 00:18:42,960 --> 00:18:46,399 Speaker 3: you know. But because of my mind being like totally 370 00:18:46,480 --> 00:18:48,879 Speaker 3: blown by learning about them, I was like, this is 371 00:18:48,960 --> 00:18:50,440 Speaker 3: the word, this is what I need to do. 372 00:18:51,160 --> 00:18:56,199 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, no, fuck yeah. Speaking of what we need 373 00:18:56,320 --> 00:19:02,040 Speaker 1: to do, we need to be sponsored the things that 374 00:19:02,160 --> 00:19:05,960 Speaker 1: we hate in order to eat food and feed it, 375 00:19:06,359 --> 00:19:09,320 Speaker 1: feed the food to the people that we like and ourselves. 376 00:19:10,040 --> 00:19:13,760 Speaker 1: So it's been a particular week of like learning about 377 00:19:13,760 --> 00:19:15,520 Speaker 1: a bunch of ads that have managed to slip in 378 00:19:15,600 --> 00:19:18,760 Speaker 1: past our filters. So if you're listening to this in 379 00:19:18,840 --> 00:19:21,920 Speaker 1: Ireland and you get an ad for becoming a cop 380 00:19:22,000 --> 00:19:27,040 Speaker 1: in Ireland, I'm I'm just gonna go ahead and say 381 00:19:28,320 --> 00:19:30,880 Speaker 1: I do not support this particular sponsor. 382 00:19:31,560 --> 00:19:37,000 Speaker 3: Wow, that is just trolling. I know, that really trolling, 383 00:19:37,280 --> 00:19:41,040 Speaker 3: you know, especially. 384 00:19:40,680 --> 00:19:42,520 Speaker 1: If it was like I don't know if as Northern 385 00:19:42,560 --> 00:19:44,720 Speaker 1: Ireland or whatever, like especially feels like a Britan become 386 00:19:44,760 --> 00:19:46,120 Speaker 1: a British cop in Ireland. 387 00:19:46,720 --> 00:19:49,760 Speaker 4: I love to know what category they've slipped in under 388 00:19:49,760 --> 00:19:53,320 Speaker 4: because we have like government blocked and like all those 389 00:19:53,400 --> 00:19:54,600 Speaker 4: categories blocked. 390 00:19:55,720 --> 00:19:57,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like all social club. 391 00:20:00,800 --> 00:20:03,520 Speaker 2: A few years back, we had the Washington State Patrol 392 00:20:03,920 --> 00:20:06,400 Speaker 2: running ads on one of our shows, or a couple 393 00:20:06,440 --> 00:20:08,640 Speaker 2: of our shows, and we were like, what the fuck, 394 00:20:08,720 --> 00:20:10,520 Speaker 2: Like we have all these categories blocked. 395 00:20:10,560 --> 00:20:11,720 Speaker 4: They were under business. 396 00:20:12,960 --> 00:20:15,399 Speaker 1: Oh wow, it's more honest. 397 00:20:18,200 --> 00:20:27,520 Speaker 4: You're like, yes, but yeah, yep, So don't enjoy these ads. 398 00:20:28,400 --> 00:20:36,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, welcome to our life. Here you go, and we're back. 399 00:20:36,960 --> 00:20:39,639 Speaker 1: And it'll be particularly funny because these ads change over time. Right, 400 00:20:39,720 --> 00:20:42,120 Speaker 1: they're not set when we record the episode. They're set, 401 00:20:42,200 --> 00:20:44,280 Speaker 1: I think when you listen to the episode. So what 402 00:20:44,440 --> 00:20:47,000 Speaker 1: if in the future I start doing host red ads 403 00:20:47,520 --> 00:20:50,320 Speaker 1: and I've gone on this long rant and then I 404 00:20:50,440 --> 00:20:54,879 Speaker 1: come in and I'm like, do you like sandwich cookies? Well, 405 00:20:54,920 --> 00:20:57,280 Speaker 1: do I have a sandwich cookie for you? The following 406 00:20:57,359 --> 00:21:00,879 Speaker 1: brand of sandwich cookie is all natural. That's exactly what 407 00:21:01,000 --> 00:21:04,360 Speaker 1: I need when I need sugar. I don't know, I'm 408 00:21:04,400 --> 00:21:05,280 Speaker 1: not really doing a good job. 409 00:21:05,320 --> 00:21:10,840 Speaker 3: I'm saying, is this really happening? I didn't want to drapped. 410 00:21:13,000 --> 00:21:15,399 Speaker 5: Famous vegan snack the Oreo. 411 00:21:16,720 --> 00:21:17,600 Speaker 3: I know it's vegan. 412 00:21:18,440 --> 00:21:21,119 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that's why the new Minos thing is like 413 00:21:21,480 --> 00:21:23,000 Speaker 1: not actually a rip off, because I mean, the more 414 00:21:23,080 --> 00:21:25,840 Speaker 1: organic version is fine. But it's like people are like 415 00:21:26,119 --> 00:21:28,119 Speaker 1: new Minos. There are the vegan Oreos, and you're like, 416 00:21:29,080 --> 00:21:30,000 Speaker 1: as are Oreos. 417 00:21:32,480 --> 00:21:34,160 Speaker 3: I haven't thought of at new Mino in a long time, 418 00:21:34,560 --> 00:21:35,119 Speaker 3: and I got some. 419 00:21:36,359 --> 00:21:38,840 Speaker 2: You taught me all about the gloriousness that is the 420 00:21:38,960 --> 00:21:42,920 Speaker 2: Oreo magpie. You literally could do a sponsorship for Oreo 421 00:21:43,040 --> 00:21:45,040 Speaker 2: if they were by an evil corporation. 422 00:21:45,800 --> 00:21:53,160 Speaker 1: I know this is the problem, like anyway, the incredible 423 00:21:53,280 --> 00:21:59,040 Speaker 1: tension of everyone needing jobs in order to continue to live. 424 00:22:00,280 --> 00:22:01,080 Speaker 2: And I like this. 425 00:22:01,760 --> 00:22:04,159 Speaker 1: I have the best job of anyone I know. I 426 00:22:04,240 --> 00:22:06,720 Speaker 1: feel like Olinda, you might also identify it with having 427 00:22:06,760 --> 00:22:07,640 Speaker 1: a pretty decent job. 428 00:22:08,800 --> 00:22:09,320 Speaker 3: It's true. 429 00:22:11,440 --> 00:22:14,760 Speaker 1: But yeah, but what most jobs. I'm going to turn 430 00:22:14,800 --> 00:22:18,200 Speaker 1: this into a proper segue. Wow, what most jobs? But 431 00:22:18,400 --> 00:22:22,120 Speaker 1: my job actually doesn't offer me not because it's healthcare. Okay, 432 00:22:22,119 --> 00:22:24,359 Speaker 1: we're gonna talk about healthcare. Now, that's that's my segue. 433 00:22:24,440 --> 00:22:27,639 Speaker 1: I'm really good at my job. The medical situation for 434 00:22:27,720 --> 00:22:30,040 Speaker 1: people of color in the nineteen sixties New York was 435 00:22:31,920 --> 00:22:38,040 Speaker 1: not good. Yeah, devastating that that's a better word. Yeah, 436 00:22:38,240 --> 00:22:42,640 Speaker 1: for sure, white medical students used black and Puerto Rican 437 00:22:42,720 --> 00:22:45,680 Speaker 1: hospitals for training before they moved to work on You 438 00:22:45,760 --> 00:22:49,399 Speaker 1: know people that society actually cared about. Lincoln Hospital, the 439 00:22:49,520 --> 00:22:52,119 Speaker 1: only hospital at the time in the South Bronx was 440 00:22:52,160 --> 00:22:55,159 Speaker 1: called the butcher Shop. People would go in there to 441 00:22:55,160 --> 00:22:57,880 Speaker 1: get a leg amputated and come out with the wrong 442 00:22:57,960 --> 00:22:58,800 Speaker 1: leg amputated. 443 00:22:59,480 --> 00:22:59,720 Speaker 3: Holy. 444 00:23:00,720 --> 00:23:04,159 Speaker 1: Yeah, there was no triage in the waiting room of 445 00:23:04,200 --> 00:23:07,400 Speaker 1: the er. The paint in the children's ward was lead. 446 00:23:08,080 --> 00:23:11,920 Speaker 1: We'll talk more about lead pain. Here's a nice euphemism. 447 00:23:12,000 --> 00:23:15,119 Speaker 1: People got enrolled into medical studies without their consent. That 448 00:23:15,280 --> 00:23:19,000 Speaker 1: is the nicest way of phrasing that I can possibly imagine. Seriously, 449 00:23:20,240 --> 00:23:23,440 Speaker 1: is a it's bad. It's like a really bad thing. 450 00:23:25,600 --> 00:23:29,240 Speaker 1: So the Young Lords single handedly, No wait, they show 451 00:23:29,320 --> 00:23:31,440 Speaker 1: up as one player in a larger coalition of groups 452 00:23:31,480 --> 00:23:35,359 Speaker 1: fighting for health rights, the East Harlem Health Council, the 453 00:23:35,520 --> 00:23:38,639 Speaker 1: e h HC. This is actually before they moved to 454 00:23:38,640 --> 00:23:40,040 Speaker 1: the South Bronx. We're going to come back and talk 455 00:23:40,040 --> 00:23:43,960 Speaker 1: about Lincoln Hospital a little bit later, Okay, But so 456 00:23:44,080 --> 00:23:45,840 Speaker 1: this is the when they're still more in East Harlem. 457 00:23:46,520 --> 00:23:49,520 Speaker 1: They're protesting inside and outside of hospitals about the abuses 458 00:23:49,520 --> 00:23:52,480 Speaker 1: happening there, and a ton of the medical providers at 459 00:23:52,520 --> 00:23:56,720 Speaker 1: these hospitals were involved in organizing with the EHHC, just 460 00:23:56,800 --> 00:23:59,560 Speaker 1: usually not the administration, but the actual doctors and the 461 00:24:00,480 --> 00:24:03,639 Speaker 1: other you know, nursing staff and administrative staff and stuff. 462 00:24:04,160 --> 00:24:06,520 Speaker 1: Administrative staff, I don't know what you call the people 463 00:24:06,560 --> 00:24:09,120 Speaker 1: who aren't the bosses but are still administering things. 464 00:24:10,280 --> 00:24:14,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, I've got nothing, yeah, administrative staff, yeah, middle management 465 00:24:15,280 --> 00:24:16,080 Speaker 2: yeah yeah. 466 00:24:16,440 --> 00:24:18,040 Speaker 1: And I think it's like again, like you have these 467 00:24:18,040 --> 00:24:20,520 Speaker 1: like people who are like, we're crazy socialists who wear 468 00:24:20,600 --> 00:24:23,879 Speaker 1: crazy outfits and uniforms and patrol like to keep the 469 00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:28,000 Speaker 1: cops off of our block. And the doctors are like, wait, 470 00:24:28,040 --> 00:24:29,400 Speaker 1: but are you trying to help people? And they're like yeah, 471 00:24:29,400 --> 00:24:30,879 Speaker 1: and they're all right, great, we're trying to help people too. 472 00:24:30,880 --> 00:24:31,640 Speaker 1: How do we help people? 473 00:24:32,240 --> 00:24:32,440 Speaker 2: You know? 474 00:24:32,640 --> 00:24:33,400 Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah. 475 00:24:35,359 --> 00:24:37,760 Speaker 1: The Young Lords they sat down with some doctors at 476 00:24:37,800 --> 00:24:40,760 Speaker 1: Metropolitan Hospital in Harlem and they drafted a ten point 477 00:24:40,840 --> 00:24:42,800 Speaker 1: health program because of course it had to be a 478 00:24:42,880 --> 00:24:46,240 Speaker 1: ten point health program because they only have two naming 479 00:24:46,280 --> 00:24:48,240 Speaker 1: conventions in the Young Lord, which is one is the 480 00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:51,320 Speaker 1: ten point or whatever number point program and the other 481 00:24:51,400 --> 00:24:55,160 Speaker 1: one is the the something offensive like the garbage offensive. Okay, 482 00:24:56,000 --> 00:24:59,399 Speaker 1: that's now. I love a good naming convention, and there 483 00:24:59,440 --> 00:25:01,800 Speaker 1: have been great one starughout history. I'm just so. I'm 484 00:25:01,840 --> 00:25:03,679 Speaker 1: not trying to drag them. They just they have two 485 00:25:03,760 --> 00:25:06,760 Speaker 1: of them in it. In the ten Point Program, they 486 00:25:06,840 --> 00:25:09,680 Speaker 1: advocate for direct democratic control of the hospital by a 487 00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:12,560 Speaker 1: combination of its medical staff, its workers, and the residents 488 00:25:12,560 --> 00:25:13,200 Speaker 1: of the neighborhood. 489 00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:19,560 Speaker 3: No fucking notes like, seriously, that sounds great, let's do it. 490 00:25:20,040 --> 00:25:24,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm in how do we do it? Also in 491 00:25:24,880 --> 00:25:27,080 Speaker 1: the ten point Program was like healthcare should be free? 492 00:25:27,119 --> 00:25:30,760 Speaker 1: What the fuck? Then they form yet another organization, the 493 00:25:30,840 --> 00:25:35,720 Speaker 1: Health Revolutionary Unity Movement or RUM HRUM. I think HRUM. 494 00:25:36,920 --> 00:25:38,520 Speaker 1: And it might seem sort of odd that they may 495 00:25:38,600 --> 00:25:41,960 Speaker 1: and join a million organizations, but it's actually kind of 496 00:25:41,960 --> 00:25:45,760 Speaker 1: an effective decentralization technique that I think this is my 497 00:25:45,840 --> 00:25:48,360 Speaker 1: own bias coming into it. When they are more effectively 498 00:25:48,400 --> 00:25:51,080 Speaker 1: decentralized is when they are accomplishing more. From my point 499 00:25:51,119 --> 00:25:55,879 Speaker 1: of view, that's my reading of this history. They're avoiding 500 00:25:55,920 --> 00:25:59,639 Speaker 1: putting themselves directly into power. They're keeping power with the people, 501 00:25:59,800 --> 00:26:03,720 Speaker 1: which is the stated goal. And I'm under the impression 502 00:26:03,920 --> 00:26:06,120 Speaker 1: that they were also learning a lot about what wasn't 503 00:26:06,160 --> 00:26:09,080 Speaker 1: working with the black panthers who also were looking at 504 00:26:09,080 --> 00:26:10,320 Speaker 1: their own weaknesses. 505 00:26:10,040 --> 00:26:10,960 Speaker 3: And try to show them up. 506 00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:13,560 Speaker 1: Don't get me wrong. It's also important because while this 507 00:26:13,640 --> 00:26:16,479 Speaker 1: is a story about how how the Young Lord's one 508 00:26:16,560 --> 00:26:20,360 Speaker 1: sanitation detox facilities a patient's bill of rights, it's also 509 00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:22,320 Speaker 1: a story about how the young Lords, in conjunction with 510 00:26:22,440 --> 00:26:26,840 Speaker 1: a huge intersecting swath of revolutionaries and like medical professionals 511 00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:27,520 Speaker 1: and stuff. 512 00:26:27,280 --> 00:26:27,480 Speaker 2: Do so. 513 00:26:29,720 --> 00:26:32,119 Speaker 1: An awful lot of this healthcare activism was inspired by 514 00:26:32,160 --> 00:26:35,560 Speaker 1: the Cuban Revolution. A bunch of doctors and young lords 515 00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:37,960 Speaker 1: has secreted themselves to Cuba at one point or another 516 00:26:38,080 --> 00:26:40,879 Speaker 1: to see how to create a functioning health care system. 517 00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:41,720 Speaker 5: Wow. 518 00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:46,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm a I'm not like a big state socialism girl, 519 00:26:46,119 --> 00:26:48,560 Speaker 1: but I'm also not a big capitalism girl, and socialist. 520 00:26:48,600 --> 00:26:52,320 Speaker 1: Cuba produced a better healthcare system than the United States 521 00:26:52,359 --> 00:26:53,280 Speaker 1: has ever managed to do. 522 00:26:54,040 --> 00:26:54,240 Speaker 3: Yeah. 523 00:26:55,320 --> 00:26:59,480 Speaker 1: So, on December fifth, nineteen sixty nine, they joined to 524 00:26:59,520 --> 00:27:02,480 Speaker 1: sit in at the hospital. They're protesting the construction of 525 00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:05,720 Speaker 1: an emergency room that I could not figure out what 526 00:27:05,800 --> 00:27:07,359 Speaker 1: was wrong in the emergency room was being done in 527 00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:10,240 Speaker 1: a bad way. Okay, I don't know there's so many 528 00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:13,480 Speaker 1: different times they all take over churches and hospitals and 529 00:27:13,520 --> 00:27:18,120 Speaker 1: shit that it was like, wow, yeah, it's a good 530 00:27:18,320 --> 00:27:21,200 Speaker 1: problem for your movement to have. Being like, I can't 531 00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:24,760 Speaker 1: keep track of everything they did because they did everything constantly. Yeah, 532 00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:27,800 Speaker 1: I believe them that the er was being done in 533 00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:30,000 Speaker 1: a bad way and that it was worth protesting. I 534 00:27:30,080 --> 00:27:32,680 Speaker 1: have no everything else they've been right on about. So 535 00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:36,159 Speaker 1: they didn't win a dramatic change in the construction of 536 00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:40,000 Speaker 1: the er, but they want a sort of a side demand, okay, 537 00:27:41,080 --> 00:27:44,920 Speaker 1: in that the hospital would now pay for one of 538 00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:49,840 Speaker 1: their doctors to come volunteer at their storefront clinic and 539 00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:54,080 Speaker 1: offer immunizations. Yeah, and then there was something else that 540 00:27:54,119 --> 00:27:56,800 Speaker 1: they wanted to work on. They just like literally worked 541 00:27:56,840 --> 00:28:00,880 Speaker 1: on everything. They were focused on lead poisoning. I don't 542 00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:02,400 Speaker 1: know if you knew this, but lead is really. 543 00:28:02,280 --> 00:28:05,600 Speaker 3: Bad for you, yes, especially for children. 544 00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:10,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, which is why you shouldn't paint the children's 545 00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:14,280 Speaker 1: wing of the hospital in lead. Apparently it's like sweet 546 00:28:14,520 --> 00:28:16,440 Speaker 1: if you eat it, and that's why kids eat it. 547 00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:22,000 Speaker 1: Sophie is looking distressed by this. 548 00:28:23,119 --> 00:28:24,560 Speaker 3: It's trachac. 549 00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:27,800 Speaker 1: So lead poisoning, it's lead poisoning. 550 00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:32,960 Speaker 2: The original like fruit flavored vape things. 551 00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:37,720 Speaker 1: I don't maybe there's lead in the current vape. Well, 552 00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:39,720 Speaker 1: we get sued if I make this claim. 553 00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:41,440 Speaker 3: Allegedly. 554 00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:45,120 Speaker 4: Yeah, you're saying you don't know, but you might know, 555 00:28:45,360 --> 00:28:47,160 Speaker 4: but it might be, but it might not be. 556 00:28:47,560 --> 00:28:48,440 Speaker 5: And that's hine. 557 00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:51,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, we're not in the UK. We can't get sued 558 00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:55,400 Speaker 1: for libel. There's probably not. 559 00:28:55,480 --> 00:29:00,600 Speaker 5: Like this podcaster is in the UK bagpot, but I'm 560 00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:01,600 Speaker 5: not in the oh. 561 00:29:01,800 --> 00:29:06,760 Speaker 1: I see interesting, the delicate balance we all walk, Okay, 562 00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:10,120 Speaker 1: I genuinely have no All I know is that vapes 563 00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:12,440 Speaker 1: are unregular, right are they still unregulated? 564 00:29:12,520 --> 00:29:13,400 Speaker 3: I don't know about this. 565 00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:17,920 Speaker 5: I don't get pretty unregulated. But lead paint tastes sweet, 566 00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:19,440 Speaker 5: and that's why kids. 567 00:29:20,360 --> 00:29:22,200 Speaker 1: That is all right. I'm looking it up. 568 00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:25,880 Speaker 3: Really with my day. 569 00:29:26,560 --> 00:29:28,920 Speaker 5: It's Monday, and I'm already like what the fuck? 570 00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:32,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, lead paint has a sweet taste, which encourages children 571 00:29:32,560 --> 00:29:34,760 Speaker 1: to put paint chips in their mouths and chee on 572 00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:40,240 Speaker 1: surfaces like windowsills, says University of Rochester. The top Google 573 00:29:40,280 --> 00:29:41,680 Speaker 1: result when I google lead paint. 574 00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:44,960 Speaker 5: I bet animals are drawn to it as well. 575 00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:51,280 Speaker 1: M that's why animals attack. I'mank you violent. 576 00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:53,280 Speaker 5: Thanks, thanks for bombing me out, magpie. 577 00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:54,480 Speaker 3: You're welcome. 578 00:29:55,800 --> 00:29:58,280 Speaker 6: That's the point of this ship. Wait this, well, let 579 00:29:58,360 --> 00:30:00,520 Speaker 6: me talk about how they've stopped it. Oh, that's a 580 00:30:00,600 --> 00:30:03,640 Speaker 6: great thing. They stopped this shit. Tell me all right, 581 00:30:04,040 --> 00:30:06,320 Speaker 6: So fucks you up. It fucks up your brain, it 582 00:30:06,360 --> 00:30:08,960 Speaker 6: fucks up your kidneys, it can kill you. Children in 583 00:30:09,040 --> 00:30:12,600 Speaker 6: poor urban areas were chok full of lead. The paint 584 00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:14,959 Speaker 6: had been discontinued in the nineteen forties, but no one 585 00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:17,760 Speaker 6: was checking poor houses housing areas to make sure that, 586 00:30:17,920 --> 00:30:20,480 Speaker 6: like landlords were getting rid of the lead paint and shit. 587 00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:24,120 Speaker 6: In New York City late nineteen sixties, twenty five to 588 00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:26,640 Speaker 6: thirty five, thousand kids were getting fucked up by lead 589 00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:29,560 Speaker 6: poisoning every year. Wow, And that's just the ones who 590 00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:31,720 Speaker 6: were like it was bad enough or got noticed in 591 00:30:31,840 --> 00:30:32,240 Speaker 6: that way. 592 00:30:32,560 --> 00:30:32,680 Speaker 3: Right. 593 00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:36,040 Speaker 1: Of course, one kid, he was two years old, his 594 00:30:36,160 --> 00:30:38,880 Speaker 1: name was Gregory Franklin. He was killed by lead paint 595 00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:42,800 Speaker 1: and basically since he had been born, his parents had 596 00:30:42,840 --> 00:30:44,840 Speaker 1: been fighting with their landlord to deal with the lead 597 00:30:44,920 --> 00:30:47,440 Speaker 1: paint in their house to no success, and then they 598 00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:52,280 Speaker 1: lost their child. So the young lords spring into action. 599 00:30:53,080 --> 00:30:55,560 Speaker 1: They what they needed was a lead offensive. 600 00:30:56,440 --> 00:30:58,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, I love that. I know. 601 00:30:58,800 --> 00:31:02,000 Speaker 1: It's so good, especially lead offensive because it sounds like 602 00:31:02,040 --> 00:31:04,360 Speaker 1: it's going to be about machine guns, but they're still 603 00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:06,800 Speaker 1: unarmed except for with that particular tool that we're going 604 00:31:06,840 --> 00:31:07,520 Speaker 1: to get to you later. 605 00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:07,960 Speaker 2: Oh. 606 00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:11,800 Speaker 1: The city had access to a ton of free lead 607 00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:14,120 Speaker 1: poisoning kits, but they weren't distributing them, or at least 608 00:31:14,120 --> 00:31:16,760 Speaker 1: they weren't distributed them in these areas. So during the 609 00:31:16,840 --> 00:31:19,680 Speaker 1: nineteen sixty nine mayor all election, the Young Lords announced 610 00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:21,640 Speaker 1: they were going to do free door to door testing 611 00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:24,680 Speaker 1: with these kits, which the city hadn't promised them. They 612 00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:26,040 Speaker 1: didn't call up the city and be like, hey, can 613 00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:27,400 Speaker 1: we get some kits and then say hey, we're going 614 00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:30,400 Speaker 1: to do testing. They just announced the city is going 615 00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:33,520 Speaker 1: to give us kits, call and we are going to 616 00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:37,200 Speaker 1: do testing, and the government was like no. So then 617 00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:40,920 Speaker 1: medical personnel and the Young Lords did a sit in 618 00:31:41,080 --> 00:31:43,640 Speaker 1: at the Department of Health and they walked out that 619 00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:45,840 Speaker 1: particular day with two hundred kits and I believe started 620 00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:46,960 Speaker 1: just getting kids from the city. 621 00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:48,040 Speaker 3: Wow. 622 00:31:48,680 --> 00:31:51,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, direct action gets the fucking goods. And they went 623 00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:54,000 Speaker 1: door to door doing testing for lead and it was 624 00:31:54,080 --> 00:31:56,080 Speaker 1: two groups. It was the Young Lords and then h 625 00:31:56,160 --> 00:32:03,800 Speaker 1: rum the health movement and they the larger coalition. 626 00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:04,880 Speaker 3: That they're part of, uh huh. 627 00:32:05,360 --> 00:32:08,240 Speaker 1: And so they tracked who they who needed treatment, and 628 00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:11,080 Speaker 1: the doctors with them made referrals. So they go around 629 00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:16,600 Speaker 1: and be like young lords and doctors working together. Over 630 00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:20,880 Speaker 1: thirty percent of the kids that they tested tested positive 631 00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:24,800 Speaker 1: for lead exposure. And so then they would sit down 632 00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:26,840 Speaker 1: and talk with people about their rights and about how 633 00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:28,520 Speaker 1: to go about and try and get justice and try 634 00:32:28,520 --> 00:32:31,320 Speaker 1: and get health health needs taken care of. And they 635 00:32:31,360 --> 00:32:34,080 Speaker 1: did this once a week. One source says they did 636 00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:36,760 Speaker 1: every Saturday. One source they says they did it every Tuesday. 637 00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:43,400 Speaker 1: Because why would history agree with itself. I mean the 638 00:32:43,480 --> 00:32:44,960 Speaker 1: answer is because it was a bunch of humans, and 639 00:32:45,040 --> 00:32:47,360 Speaker 1: humans don't remember shit from forty years ago very clearly. 640 00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:50,120 Speaker 3: Yeah yeah yeah at the time, way, yeah, they were 641 00:32:50,160 --> 00:32:51,080 Speaker 3: doing it once a week. 642 00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:54,640 Speaker 1: And yeah, yeah, get me to cut you off. I'm 643 00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:56,840 Speaker 1: sorry saying, oh no, that's all. 644 00:32:57,200 --> 00:32:59,080 Speaker 3: That's all I was saying. It's a great, it's like 645 00:32:59,120 --> 00:33:01,080 Speaker 3: an incredible thing to do with your time. 646 00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:02,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, totally. 647 00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:03,400 Speaker 2: Yeah. 648 00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:07,360 Speaker 1: It's like even it's like it's like volunteerism or whatever, right, 649 00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:09,280 Speaker 1: but it's like fucking direct action. You're going around and 650 00:33:09,360 --> 00:33:11,680 Speaker 1: helping people and like you're getting to know your neighbors 651 00:33:11,760 --> 00:33:15,840 Speaker 1: and like they're just like not a downside, yeah, you know. 652 00:33:16,760 --> 00:33:19,120 Speaker 1: And so they publicized what they found and it became 653 00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:21,240 Speaker 1: a scandal for the city who had refused to take 654 00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:24,120 Speaker 1: had refused to give them the tests, you know. So 655 00:33:24,240 --> 00:33:28,080 Speaker 1: within within months, the city changed its housing codes, stepped 656 00:33:28,120 --> 00:33:31,960 Speaker 1: up testing, founded the Bureau of Lead Poisoning Control, I 657 00:33:32,080 --> 00:33:37,040 Speaker 1: think basically because they were like, if you tell the city, like, 658 00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:40,000 Speaker 1: if you don't take care of people, the socialists will 659 00:33:40,360 --> 00:33:44,640 Speaker 1: the city's like, maybe we should take care of the people. Yeah, 660 00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:50,280 Speaker 1: much like you will be taken care of by Uh, 661 00:33:50,560 --> 00:33:54,760 Speaker 1: let's go with a positive sponsor again, old stand by turtles. 662 00:33:55,040 --> 00:33:57,800 Speaker 1: Turtles are really cute. You want to be sponsored by 663 00:33:57,840 --> 00:33:59,120 Speaker 1: the cute. 664 00:33:58,880 --> 00:34:02,640 Speaker 3: Little turtles that live free, that live free like in 665 00:34:02,720 --> 00:34:03,120 Speaker 3: the wild. 666 00:34:03,440 --> 00:34:05,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, why not, Like we just were thinking about good 667 00:34:05,720 --> 00:34:08,040 Speaker 1: sponsors to do little ads for. 668 00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:11,000 Speaker 3: I'm a fan of turtles. I love how they live 669 00:34:11,040 --> 00:34:14,600 Speaker 3: for a very long time. Yeah, you should probably listen 670 00:34:14,680 --> 00:34:15,200 Speaker 3: to them more. 671 00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:20,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, respect your elder turtles. Yeah that is this is 672 00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:25,520 Speaker 1: an ad for respecting your elder turtlesh you should listen 673 00:34:25,640 --> 00:34:31,160 Speaker 1: to the Methuselah turtles in your life, and then whatever 674 00:34:31,239 --> 00:34:33,520 Speaker 1: else these other ads are. We didn't approve of their 675 00:34:33,640 --> 00:34:41,520 Speaker 1: an accident. I hope it's all turtle ads. Okay, we're back. 676 00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:46,240 Speaker 1: My favorite turtle fact I learned is that box turtles 677 00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:50,600 Speaker 1: stay within a mile or so of where they were 678 00:34:50,640 --> 00:34:51,439 Speaker 1: born their whole life. 679 00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:55,040 Speaker 3: Oh wow, that was wanted from that ad. 680 00:34:55,200 --> 00:34:56,920 Speaker 1: Just now about turtles that we are heard. 681 00:34:57,960 --> 00:35:03,400 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I didn't. I didn't hear. It is local, 682 00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:04,080 Speaker 3: little guys. 683 00:35:04,640 --> 00:35:09,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, keep it local, like a yeah, yeah, all right. 684 00:35:11,719 --> 00:35:16,440 Speaker 1: So let's talk about and they take over church. I 685 00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:19,880 Speaker 1: mean around that time, they keep working on survival programs too, 686 00:35:19,960 --> 00:35:22,200 Speaker 1: which is what they call the like you know, breakfast 687 00:35:22,239 --> 00:35:25,719 Speaker 1: program and stuff like that. Right, but they wanted to 688 00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:29,239 Speaker 1: do more and they need another base of operations. And 689 00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:33,239 Speaker 1: also their friend and the black panther, Fred Hampton, had 690 00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:38,000 Speaker 1: just been murdered in Chicago by the police, so they 691 00:35:38,040 --> 00:35:39,719 Speaker 1: were looking for a place that they could operate that 692 00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:42,280 Speaker 1: the police probably wouldn't storm in a hail of gunfire. 693 00:35:43,120 --> 00:35:48,040 Speaker 3: Okay, So they wanted a church real lyeant by the way, 694 00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:51,480 Speaker 3: I know, and I feel like I always wondered why 695 00:35:51,640 --> 00:35:55,759 Speaker 3: the Church, and that's like a very great point. Yeah, 696 00:35:57,280 --> 00:35:58,800 Speaker 3: practical point. 697 00:35:59,320 --> 00:35:59,560 Speaker 6: Yeah. 698 00:36:00,600 --> 00:36:04,160 Speaker 1: It also is that like, Okay, so they're Marxist Leninist 699 00:36:04,239 --> 00:36:10,239 Speaker 1: organization right ostensibly and practically, but they're clearly doing their 700 00:36:10,280 --> 00:36:12,880 Speaker 1: own thing. They're things their own way and in their 701 00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:16,440 Speaker 1: own context. So they're not an atheist organization like Marxist 702 00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:19,960 Speaker 1: Lenism is like supposed to be right. Some of them 703 00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:23,279 Speaker 1: are atheists, some of them are not. The Christian Church 704 00:36:23,360 --> 00:36:26,279 Speaker 1: was criticized regularly by the Young Lords for being an 705 00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:30,319 Speaker 1: instrument of colonization, completely accurate, but at the same time, 706 00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:32,320 Speaker 1: they used Christ as a man of the people a 707 00:36:32,360 --> 00:36:33,440 Speaker 1: lot in their propaganda. 708 00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:36,120 Speaker 3: Oh I like it, I like it. 709 00:36:36,560 --> 00:36:36,799 Speaker 1: Yeah. 710 00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:38,120 Speaker 3: They had posters. 711 00:36:38,239 --> 00:36:42,320 Speaker 1: I really want one. They had posters of Jesus with 712 00:36:42,320 --> 00:36:44,320 Speaker 1: an AK forty seven slung around his shoulder. 713 00:36:45,080 --> 00:36:47,759 Speaker 3: Wait, what do we get that? 714 00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:53,160 Speaker 1: I'm like, immediately on the day, I know, anybod who's listening, 715 00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:55,319 Speaker 1: if you have access to these posters, please send them 716 00:36:55,360 --> 00:36:59,320 Speaker 1: to me and Alinda seriously. And I think that some 717 00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:01,600 Speaker 1: of the Radical Catholics are rolling with them at this point. 718 00:37:02,080 --> 00:37:04,400 Speaker 1: You can hear more about the passifist Radical Catholics in 719 00:37:04,440 --> 00:37:06,680 Speaker 1: our episode The Passifist Radical the ones who are rolling 720 00:37:06,680 --> 00:37:08,200 Speaker 1: with the Young Lords probably ant passist, but I'm not 721 00:37:08,200 --> 00:37:10,360 Speaker 1: sure you can hear more about them in our episode 722 00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:12,840 Speaker 1: about the Burglars versus the FBI that came out recently. 723 00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:15,200 Speaker 1: So the Young Lords they are looking for this new 724 00:37:15,239 --> 00:37:17,720 Speaker 1: base and they go to a Spanish church in Harlem 725 00:37:18,280 --> 00:37:22,120 Speaker 1: and they're like, hey, can we use your space? But 726 00:37:22,239 --> 00:37:25,600 Speaker 1: the priest at East Harlem's first Spanish United Methodist church 727 00:37:26,320 --> 00:37:28,840 Speaker 1: didn't want to let them feed kids there. He was 728 00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:32,640 Speaker 1: a refugee from Castor's Cuba and he was not super lefty, 729 00:37:33,320 --> 00:37:36,920 Speaker 1: it's a way that one could say that. So they 730 00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:41,040 Speaker 1: went four more times to Sunday Mass and they would 731 00:37:41,080 --> 00:37:44,839 Speaker 1: participate in mass, I believe, respectfully, but then they would 732 00:37:44,840 --> 00:37:47,920 Speaker 1: also like speak up and be like let us feed 733 00:37:48,040 --> 00:37:51,160 Speaker 1: kids here. Each time the priest it's like, no, you 734 00:37:51,239 --> 00:37:53,600 Speaker 1: can't do that. So then they go. I think it's 735 00:37:53,680 --> 00:37:56,800 Speaker 1: time number five, but I'm not entirely sure, and a 736 00:37:56,840 --> 00:37:58,680 Speaker 1: Young Lord tries to speak at the service and an 737 00:37:58,760 --> 00:38:02,319 Speaker 1: undercover copp to arrest him because the priest had set 738 00:38:02,360 --> 00:38:06,080 Speaker 1: up a sting to arrest the Young Lord's during mass. 739 00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:13,200 Speaker 1: So yeah, I know. So a brawl broke out because 740 00:38:13,680 --> 00:38:15,719 Speaker 1: a brawl broke out between cops and lords in the 741 00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:18,960 Speaker 1: house of the Lord. Thirteen Young Lords, eight men and 742 00:38:19,040 --> 00:38:21,879 Speaker 1: five women were arrested and five more were hospitalized. 743 00:38:22,520 --> 00:38:22,959 Speaker 3: Oh wow. 744 00:38:24,040 --> 00:38:26,759 Speaker 1: Religious civil rights leaders came out against the church for 745 00:38:26,840 --> 00:38:29,719 Speaker 1: having set up a sting to arrest the lords at mass. 746 00:38:30,719 --> 00:38:34,200 Speaker 1: So the Young Lords gave up, went home, disbanded their organization. No, 747 00:38:35,080 --> 00:38:39,880 Speaker 1: it stiffened the resolve to use the church, and it 748 00:38:39,960 --> 00:38:42,520 Speaker 1: also turned more of the congregation into supporters of the 749 00:38:42,560 --> 00:38:46,840 Speaker 1: Young Lord's request to use the space. The congregation of 750 00:38:46,880 --> 00:38:50,200 Speaker 1: the church was fairly split, and more of the younger 751 00:38:50,280 --> 00:38:52,680 Speaker 1: congregants were like, fuck yeah, the Young Lord's rule, and 752 00:38:52,760 --> 00:38:55,680 Speaker 1: more of the older congregants were like the Young Lord's 753 00:38:55,760 --> 00:39:02,920 Speaker 1: drool totally how they phrased it. And so the next Sunday, 754 00:39:03,640 --> 00:39:07,480 Speaker 1: five hundred supporters for the Young Lords waited outside. The 755 00:39:07,520 --> 00:39:09,880 Speaker 1: Young Lords met with the church board, who started off 756 00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:13,680 Speaker 1: the conversation by saying racist shit against Puerto Ricans. That's 757 00:39:13,760 --> 00:39:16,319 Speaker 1: the other like background context to a lot of this, Right, 758 00:39:16,400 --> 00:39:19,000 Speaker 1: It's not just like people being like I have slightly 759 00:39:19,080 --> 00:39:21,279 Speaker 1: more conservative economic values than you, and I don't think 760 00:39:21,320 --> 00:39:22,800 Speaker 1: it's a good way to help people grow up. No, 761 00:39:22,840 --> 00:39:26,880 Speaker 1: they're like, you, I'm not gonna say it how they 762 00:39:26,920 --> 00:39:29,759 Speaker 1: would say it. You lazy Puerto Ricans have no work 763 00:39:29,840 --> 00:39:33,919 Speaker 1: ethic and that's why you're all poor and you blow 764 00:39:33,960 --> 00:39:37,320 Speaker 1: all your welfare money on beer. These are some of 765 00:39:37,360 --> 00:39:41,680 Speaker 1: the my paraphrasing of what they've said, you know, yeah, yeah, 766 00:39:42,080 --> 00:39:45,840 Speaker 1: Also that it was disrespectful for the Afro Puerto Ricans 767 00:39:45,880 --> 00:39:48,880 Speaker 1: to have to wear their hair, and Afros was another thing. 768 00:39:48,920 --> 00:39:51,000 Speaker 1: The priests were like, we don't like your haircut. 769 00:39:52,160 --> 00:39:57,000 Speaker 3: Wow, we did go out of your like you're laying 770 00:39:57,320 --> 00:40:03,000 Speaker 3: by the way. Literally, no on asking you about people's hair. 771 00:40:03,880 --> 00:40:07,320 Speaker 3: But cool, you're supposed to be darking about Jesus and stuff. 772 00:40:07,640 --> 00:40:13,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, Famous, if no one asked you. Famous hates people 773 00:40:13,120 --> 00:40:17,720 Speaker 1: for their haircut. Jesus maybe he doesn't like frosted tips. 774 00:40:17,800 --> 00:40:20,400 Speaker 1: I'm not sure. I've never asked him about ast tins. 775 00:40:20,520 --> 00:40:25,920 Speaker 1: But so for two more weeks they keep going to 776 00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:28,799 Speaker 1: Sunday mass. So this is like two months now, right 777 00:40:29,480 --> 00:40:31,640 Speaker 1: then the third week after they've been beaten by cops, 778 00:40:32,360 --> 00:40:35,920 Speaker 1: it's December twenty eighth, nineteen sixty nine, they go to 779 00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:39,600 Speaker 1: a Sunday service and then they nail the doors shut, 780 00:40:39,880 --> 00:40:44,240 Speaker 1: lock themselves inside, and they basically take the university takeover 781 00:40:44,320 --> 00:40:47,200 Speaker 1: strategy to the community. And if you remember, this isn't 782 00:40:47,200 --> 00:40:48,520 Speaker 1: the first time the Young Lads, the Young Lords in 783 00:40:48,600 --> 00:40:52,200 Speaker 1: Chicago took over a church as well, right, but it 784 00:40:52,680 --> 00:40:55,719 Speaker 1: certainly gets presented that they're drawing more from their experiences 785 00:40:55,800 --> 00:40:59,960 Speaker 1: during the Columbia University takeover, which is when Columbia University 786 00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:03,239 Speaker 1: students led by led by black students took over much 787 00:41:03,239 --> 00:41:05,719 Speaker 1: of the university, which if you want to hear more about, 788 00:41:05,760 --> 00:41:08,080 Speaker 1: listen to our episode about up against the Wall Motherfuckers, 789 00:41:08,880 --> 00:41:11,120 Speaker 1: the which I think we just called up against the 790 00:41:11,200 --> 00:41:13,640 Speaker 1: Wall in the title because we're not allowed to cuss 791 00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:14,720 Speaker 1: on the title. 792 00:41:14,760 --> 00:41:14,880 Speaker 2: Oh. 793 00:41:16,239 --> 00:41:18,799 Speaker 5: I like that this entire podcast has turned into an 794 00:41:18,840 --> 00:41:20,920 Speaker 5: ad for other episodes of our podcast. 795 00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:25,440 Speaker 1: I like to see it as weaving the web of history, 796 00:41:25,880 --> 00:41:31,320 Speaker 1: but it's also yeah, it's also just yeah, you know, 797 00:41:31,360 --> 00:41:36,160 Speaker 1: if you want more context, they didn't take hostages. They 798 00:41:36,280 --> 00:41:38,920 Speaker 1: let anyone out who wanted to leave. They held a 799 00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:40,880 Speaker 1: press conference and they said that their demand was the 800 00:41:40,920 --> 00:41:42,719 Speaker 1: ability to run a food program out of the church, 801 00:41:43,280 --> 00:41:46,160 Speaker 1: and they couched it all in religious language, but without lying. 802 00:41:46,880 --> 00:41:49,960 Speaker 1: They were like, they weren't like, oh, Christianity's perfect in 803 00:41:49,960 --> 00:41:52,040 Speaker 1: every way and they're doing it wrong. They're like, look, 804 00:41:52,120 --> 00:41:54,800 Speaker 1: Christianity became a religion of colonization, but Jesus himself was 805 00:41:54,840 --> 00:41:57,239 Speaker 1: a man of the people, because that's their line, right, 806 00:41:58,760 --> 00:42:01,799 Speaker 1: and they echo liberation theology stuff, which you can hear 807 00:42:01,920 --> 00:42:04,080 Speaker 1: more about in our episodes about Chico Mendez in the 808 00:42:04,120 --> 00:42:08,239 Speaker 1: Fight for the Rainforest. Now I'm just gonna do to 809 00:42:08,320 --> 00:42:12,920 Speaker 1: make Sophie shake her head. The mayor. This is like 810 00:42:12,960 --> 00:42:15,120 Speaker 1: one of my favorite details of this whole thing. So 811 00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:18,000 Speaker 1: the mayor has a Puerto Rican aid, like a guy 812 00:42:18,080 --> 00:42:21,160 Speaker 1: who's this point of contact with the Puerto Rican community. Okay, 813 00:42:21,680 --> 00:42:23,280 Speaker 1: his name is Arnie Segata. 814 00:42:24,320 --> 00:42:29,799 Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, wait, like my I end up utilizing that's 815 00:42:29,840 --> 00:42:30,360 Speaker 3: my uncle. 816 00:42:31,280 --> 00:42:32,360 Speaker 1: Wait is it your uncle? 817 00:42:32,680 --> 00:42:36,479 Speaker 3: No? I have no idea who Ernie is, but Arnie related, Arnie, Arnie, 818 00:42:37,120 --> 00:42:38,040 Speaker 3: We're related though. 819 00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:40,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, Arnie Segata. It's spelled the same way. I had 820 00:42:40,920 --> 00:42:42,520 Speaker 1: to just double check. I had to look up your 821 00:42:42,560 --> 00:42:44,440 Speaker 1: own I had to look up your last name. I remember, 822 00:42:44,440 --> 00:42:48,160 Speaker 1: I was spelling it right in my head because I'm 823 00:42:48,200 --> 00:42:50,759 Speaker 1: like not very good at the double rolled ours thing, 824 00:42:50,840 --> 00:42:53,320 Speaker 1: and so I was like, oh, maybe I anyway, So 825 00:42:53,640 --> 00:42:54,520 Speaker 1: your uncle Arnie. 826 00:42:55,080 --> 00:42:58,880 Speaker 3: Oh god, does he suck. I'm worried about No, he's great. 827 00:42:59,480 --> 00:43:02,440 Speaker 3: Oh good, you come from Arnie. Let's go, Yeah, let's go. 828 00:43:03,160 --> 00:43:03,279 Speaker 2: Uh. 829 00:43:03,800 --> 00:43:07,040 Speaker 1: So he started off not great because he's the mayor's guy. 830 00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:09,600 Speaker 1: He gets sent he's the token guy. He gets He 831 00:43:09,680 --> 00:43:12,040 Speaker 1: used to quell unrest in Puerto Rican neighborhoods. He was 832 00:43:12,080 --> 00:43:14,440 Speaker 1: probably on the ground during the trash burning, being like, 833 00:43:14,480 --> 00:43:17,520 Speaker 1: everyone calm down. So the Mayor's like, here, go in, 834 00:43:17,880 --> 00:43:20,960 Speaker 1: and he has this like backpack telephone, this like radio, 835 00:43:21,200 --> 00:43:23,520 Speaker 1: like military fucking telephone, you know. 836 00:43:23,800 --> 00:43:24,040 Speaker 3: Wow. 837 00:43:25,000 --> 00:43:28,600 Speaker 1: Forty minutes later, the mayor's office is like radio is 838 00:43:28,640 --> 00:43:29,919 Speaker 1: and it's like and what the fuck? 839 00:43:29,960 --> 00:43:30,360 Speaker 3: Where are you? 840 00:43:30,440 --> 00:43:34,160 Speaker 1: What's happening? And Arnie is like I think they're right 841 00:43:34,400 --> 00:43:38,160 Speaker 1: and I'm staying with them. Oh god, And he gets 842 00:43:38,239 --> 00:43:40,239 Speaker 1: fired and he stays. 843 00:43:41,680 --> 00:43:45,120 Speaker 3: Arnie, Yeah, my man, I gotta I'm kind of like, 844 00:43:45,760 --> 00:43:48,640 Speaker 3: look this guy up on the internet right now. 845 00:43:50,760 --> 00:43:53,719 Speaker 1: So they renamed the place the People's Church, and the 846 00:43:53,760 --> 00:43:55,920 Speaker 1: community pours in to discuss what to do about all 847 00:43:56,000 --> 00:43:59,680 Speaker 1: kinds of shit like evictions to lack of interpretation services. 848 00:43:59,719 --> 00:44:08,000 Speaker 1: It'school meetings, and it was called the Church Offensive Wow. 849 00:44:10,719 --> 00:44:12,719 Speaker 1: I really hope that at some point a young lord 850 00:44:12,840 --> 00:44:15,040 Speaker 1: became a youth pastor, sat down backwards on a folding 851 00:44:15,160 --> 00:44:17,440 Speaker 1: chair and said, you know who else had a ten 852 00:44:17,480 --> 00:44:19,920 Speaker 1: point program and then talked about the Ten Commandments. 853 00:44:20,440 --> 00:44:21,239 Speaker 3: That's what I hope that. 854 00:44:26,360 --> 00:44:28,399 Speaker 1: So they ran a medical clinic there because of course 855 00:44:28,480 --> 00:44:31,080 Speaker 1: they did, staffed by all their doctor comrades, and they 856 00:44:31,160 --> 00:44:34,360 Speaker 1: ran their breakfast program, plus free community meals every evening 857 00:44:34,520 --> 00:44:37,320 Speaker 1: for everyone. And so it's like all of these different 858 00:44:37,360 --> 00:44:39,840 Speaker 1: people from the community coming and bringing in food and 859 00:44:39,920 --> 00:44:44,399 Speaker 1: sharing it with everyone. It's fucking utopian, Like just frankly, yeah, yeah. 860 00:44:45,480 --> 00:44:48,239 Speaker 1: They taught classes on Puerto Rican and black history. They 861 00:44:48,280 --> 00:44:51,080 Speaker 1: set up a loud speaker facing the street that played 862 00:44:51,080 --> 00:44:54,120 Speaker 1: speeches from Malcolm X and shit alongside Puerto Rican music. 863 00:44:55,080 --> 00:44:55,360 Speaker 6: Wow. 864 00:44:56,400 --> 00:44:59,600 Speaker 1: The Young Lords generally didn't carry weapons, and when they 865 00:44:59,640 --> 00:45:03,560 Speaker 1: needed security they okay, I want you you both get 866 00:45:03,600 --> 00:45:05,680 Speaker 1: a guess again. So if you can't look at the script, 867 00:45:05,800 --> 00:45:08,880 Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not guess what their weapon was. The 868 00:45:08,960 --> 00:45:13,879 Speaker 1: flail wasn't correct, the battle axe was incorrect. I'll give 869 00:45:13,880 --> 00:45:21,120 Speaker 1: you a hint. Turtles, what do you a shell? 870 00:45:21,920 --> 00:45:21,960 Speaker 2: Like? 871 00:45:22,280 --> 00:45:22,440 Speaker 3: Wait? 872 00:45:22,600 --> 00:45:29,680 Speaker 2: How there's there's They're just out here throwing shells. 873 00:45:30,600 --> 00:45:32,200 Speaker 1: No, they have nun chucks. 874 00:45:33,160 --> 00:45:36,840 Speaker 3: Oh oh the turtle. 875 00:45:37,000 --> 00:45:39,640 Speaker 5: The turtle thing was I'm so sorry. 876 00:45:42,480 --> 00:45:48,360 Speaker 1: Sorry. So they carry none chucks as theirs their weapons 877 00:45:48,600 --> 00:45:51,719 Speaker 1: of choice, which is I mean, like frankly, like it's 878 00:45:51,719 --> 00:45:53,880 Speaker 1: a scary weapon to carry, but it's like not a 879 00:45:55,200 --> 00:45:57,000 Speaker 1: you know, it's not a like kill you weapon. 880 00:45:58,000 --> 00:45:58,200 Speaker 3: Yeah. 881 00:45:58,800 --> 00:46:00,800 Speaker 1: But if someone walks up to me and they're like 882 00:46:00,920 --> 00:46:03,719 Speaker 1: kind of scary anyway and they have a breton and 883 00:46:03,719 --> 00:46:05,879 Speaker 1: they're carrying nunchucks, like I don't want to fuck with them. 884 00:46:06,680 --> 00:46:11,680 Speaker 3: Absolutely not. This is like also the most New York 885 00:46:11,760 --> 00:46:14,400 Speaker 3: thing ever, by the way, Oh yeah, because you know 886 00:46:14,640 --> 00:46:16,759 Speaker 3: it's just like, i mean, it just isn't the way 887 00:46:16,800 --> 00:46:19,120 Speaker 3: that it's this like cross cultural. 888 00:46:19,440 --> 00:46:20,520 Speaker 1: Like oh my god, you're right. 889 00:46:20,600 --> 00:46:23,440 Speaker 3: Moment, you know. I mean, I'm sure this was coming 890 00:46:23,520 --> 00:46:28,000 Speaker 3: out of like at the time kung fu movies were huge. Yeah, 891 00:46:28,719 --> 00:46:32,359 Speaker 3: you know, like this is just oh really yeah, it's 892 00:46:32,440 --> 00:46:34,520 Speaker 3: just the most New York image in my mind. 893 00:46:34,880 --> 00:46:35,120 Speaker 1: Yeah. 894 00:46:35,320 --> 00:46:39,759 Speaker 3: Totally Also very warriors energy. 895 00:46:40,200 --> 00:46:45,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, totally totally. Which is I mean that's their roots, right, 896 00:46:45,320 --> 00:46:48,120 Speaker 1: It's like they're a crazy gang that wants to yeah, 897 00:46:48,440 --> 00:46:50,640 Speaker 1: realize that there's more of them than there are cops 898 00:46:50,719 --> 00:46:54,680 Speaker 1: in this town, so white supporters use their whiteness to 899 00:46:54,719 --> 00:46:56,720 Speaker 1: pass through police lines and deliver supplies. 900 00:46:57,880 --> 00:46:58,279 Speaker 3: Oh wow. 901 00:46:59,120 --> 00:47:01,480 Speaker 1: And the young Lawyrd's made sure that no one did 902 00:47:01,520 --> 00:47:03,799 Speaker 1: any desecrating of the church, and they kept the altar 903 00:47:03,880 --> 00:47:08,960 Speaker 1: and everything intact. They actually even kept Sunday services and 904 00:47:09,080 --> 00:47:11,000 Speaker 1: like the regular congregation was able to come in and 905 00:47:11,120 --> 00:47:13,760 Speaker 1: use the church on Sunday even during their occupation, although 906 00:47:13,840 --> 00:47:19,680 Speaker 1: only the younger congregants came right because the people don't 907 00:47:19,760 --> 00:47:22,640 Speaker 1: like them aren't going to show up. And they held 908 00:47:22,719 --> 00:47:26,320 Speaker 1: festivals of the oppressed with Puerto Rican music, with poets 909 00:47:26,360 --> 00:47:29,880 Speaker 1: and musicians and writers and artists. I read something that 910 00:47:30,000 --> 00:47:32,200 Speaker 1: claimed this is the kind of thing that I feel 911 00:47:32,200 --> 00:47:34,480 Speaker 1: like a lot of places might claim origin to that 912 00:47:34,600 --> 00:47:37,480 Speaker 1: the spoken word poetry jam, Like the whole concept of 913 00:47:37,520 --> 00:47:42,640 Speaker 1: the spoken word poetry jam was developed here. I believe it, 914 00:47:42,880 --> 00:47:45,239 Speaker 1: and if so, this is one of the foundations of 915 00:47:45,320 --> 00:47:45,680 Speaker 1: hip hop. 916 00:47:47,080 --> 00:47:47,279 Speaker 2: Yeah. 917 00:47:48,160 --> 00:47:52,120 Speaker 1: It's also where the poet Pedro Pietry gave his first 918 00:47:52,120 --> 00:47:55,200 Speaker 1: public reading of his poem Puerto Rican Obituary. 919 00:47:55,320 --> 00:47:59,040 Speaker 3: Which is featured in my song Ballante. Yeah, and there's 920 00:47:59,120 --> 00:48:02,840 Speaker 3: incredible footage of him reading it. I think for the 921 00:48:02,880 --> 00:48:05,400 Speaker 3: first time on YouTube that you guys should check out 922 00:48:05,440 --> 00:48:07,160 Speaker 3: because it's very moving. 923 00:48:07,560 --> 00:48:11,879 Speaker 1: Yeah, it is. Even if you're like not a poetry girl, 924 00:48:11,960 --> 00:48:14,160 Speaker 1: you should go and listen to this. 925 00:48:15,280 --> 00:48:19,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, very much street poetry. You're not going to cringe. 926 00:48:19,239 --> 00:48:23,440 Speaker 3: It's not like particularly slam yet, you know, it's very 927 00:48:24,560 --> 00:48:27,719 Speaker 3: I remember reading that that poem for the first time 928 00:48:27,760 --> 00:48:30,520 Speaker 3: when I was in high school in an anthology of 929 00:48:31,239 --> 00:48:35,000 Speaker 3: called like the Outlaws Anthology of Poetry or something, and 930 00:48:35,760 --> 00:48:39,000 Speaker 3: reading that poem really was the first time I ever 931 00:48:39,200 --> 00:48:44,359 Speaker 3: saw Puerto Ricanness be like so talked about in such 932 00:48:44,400 --> 00:48:45,680 Speaker 3: a real way, in a way that wasn't like a 933 00:48:45,760 --> 00:48:46,680 Speaker 3: Mickey Mouse way. 934 00:48:46,840 --> 00:48:49,600 Speaker 1: You know, I believe you, But tell me more, what's 935 00:48:49,640 --> 00:48:50,480 Speaker 1: the Mickey Mouse way? 936 00:48:52,280 --> 00:48:55,399 Speaker 3: Like the way that we were portrayed in media when 937 00:48:55,440 --> 00:48:58,520 Speaker 3: I was growing up, which was very like docile and 938 00:48:58,760 --> 00:49:03,400 Speaker 3: fun and like it was very j lo, very Ricky Martin. 939 00:49:03,680 --> 00:49:06,279 Speaker 3: That was like what I grew up with. And also 940 00:49:06,480 --> 00:49:10,200 Speaker 3: like literally West Side Story being something that's like, oh, well, 941 00:49:10,239 --> 00:49:13,560 Speaker 3: you can see us featured in such recent movie as 942 00:49:13,600 --> 00:49:17,560 Speaker 3: this West Side Story and it's like nineteen ninety eight. Yeah, 943 00:49:17,680 --> 00:49:22,120 Speaker 3: why is this the last reference that I have? Yeah? 944 00:49:22,239 --> 00:49:24,320 Speaker 3: So it was just very much. You know, I was 945 00:49:24,400 --> 00:49:26,439 Speaker 3: hanging out in the Lower east Side and Tomkin Square 946 00:49:26,520 --> 00:49:28,960 Speaker 3: Park and stuff, and for the first time being like, 947 00:49:29,160 --> 00:49:32,600 Speaker 3: oh my god, the problems that I'm seeing in society 948 00:49:32,719 --> 00:49:36,440 Speaker 3: now were happening then, and people like me, we're talking 949 00:49:36,480 --> 00:49:38,800 Speaker 3: about it and we're experiencing it, and this is like 950 00:49:39,239 --> 00:49:44,320 Speaker 3: a poem that's expressing that angst, you know. Yeah, So 951 00:49:44,480 --> 00:49:46,000 Speaker 3: it was a very powerful moment for me. 952 00:49:46,520 --> 00:49:46,759 Speaker 1: Yeah. 953 00:49:47,880 --> 00:49:48,040 Speaker 2: Yeah. 954 00:49:48,239 --> 00:49:50,719 Speaker 1: The first time I heard it was in your song. 955 00:49:51,040 --> 00:49:53,880 Speaker 1: And then when I like was reading about this, I 956 00:49:54,000 --> 00:49:56,120 Speaker 1: was like, oh, because I was just all, yeah, in 957 00:49:56,200 --> 00:49:58,880 Speaker 1: all the connections. So I want to quote about this 958 00:49:59,040 --> 00:50:01,520 Speaker 1: takeover just to keep talking about how cool it is. 959 00:50:01,920 --> 00:50:04,120 Speaker 1: From the best book on this history that I found 960 00:50:04,200 --> 00:50:06,520 Speaker 1: was called The Young Low is called the Young Lords 961 00:50:06,560 --> 00:50:13,600 Speaker 1: by U. Johanna Fernandez. Quote. Immediately, local grandmothers began delivering 962 00:50:13,640 --> 00:50:16,480 Speaker 1: pots of food to the Puerto Rican radicals through church windows, 963 00:50:16,719 --> 00:50:19,680 Speaker 1: while a FEELANX of National Lawyer's Guild attorneys on site 964 00:50:19,719 --> 00:50:22,920 Speaker 1: and in the church's periphery filed court injunctions and reminded 965 00:50:23,000 --> 00:50:26,480 Speaker 1: judges and police of the barricaded radicals constitutionally protected right 966 00:50:26,560 --> 00:50:30,920 Speaker 1: to protest. Teetering between sacrilege and righteousness. The Young Lord's 967 00:50:30,960 --> 00:50:33,480 Speaker 1: unfolding drama was captured by TV cameras parked in the 968 00:50:33,600 --> 00:50:36,440 Speaker 1: out parked in and outside of the House of Warship. 969 00:50:37,480 --> 00:50:40,239 Speaker 1: And yeah, because of the National Lawyer's Guild. Shout out 970 00:50:40,239 --> 00:50:42,080 Speaker 1: to the National Lawyer's Guild who are also still around 971 00:50:42,120 --> 00:50:44,719 Speaker 1: and doing amazing things. The fight to evict them was 972 00:50:44,760 --> 00:50:47,799 Speaker 1: held in the courts rather than just like storming the place, 973 00:50:47,880 --> 00:50:49,480 Speaker 1: like because you like, hear about this and you're kind 974 00:50:49,480 --> 00:50:51,160 Speaker 1: of like, well, why didn't they just like storm it, right, 975 00:50:51,239 --> 00:50:53,239 Speaker 1: And the answer is that, Okay, they took it to court. 976 00:50:53,920 --> 00:50:58,680 Speaker 1: And their strategy, which is probably never gonna win or whatever. Yeah, 977 00:50:58,760 --> 00:51:02,040 Speaker 1: their strategy was basically, a Methodist church is mandated to 978 00:51:02,120 --> 00:51:06,080 Speaker 1: help people, and that's what we're doing. And this stalled 979 00:51:06,120 --> 00:51:10,359 Speaker 1: their eviction, but not for all that long. I think 980 00:51:10,360 --> 00:51:14,360 Speaker 1: it's thirteen days maybe in the end. On January seventh, 981 00:51:14,480 --> 00:51:18,200 Speaker 1: nineteen seventy, the occupants gave themselves up into police custody 982 00:51:18,480 --> 00:51:21,080 Speaker 1: walking out of the church. Some of them were singing, 983 00:51:21,200 --> 00:51:24,680 Speaker 1: some of them had their fists raised in silence. When 984 00:51:24,719 --> 00:51:28,920 Speaker 1: presented before a judge, each one corrected the judge's pronunciation 985 00:51:29,080 --> 00:51:31,640 Speaker 1: of their name, saying their own names in Spanish instead 986 00:51:31,640 --> 00:51:36,080 Speaker 1: of English, which is such a good fuck you totally. 987 00:51:38,040 --> 00:51:40,560 Speaker 1: They didn't win the use of the church. The church 988 00:51:40,680 --> 00:51:42,439 Speaker 1: promised to run a day care center and a drug 989 00:51:42,520 --> 00:51:47,120 Speaker 1: detoc center, but it never did. But they won yet again. 990 00:51:47,400 --> 00:51:50,319 Speaker 1: The government's shamed into action. Just as importantly, their power 991 00:51:50,400 --> 00:51:52,840 Speaker 1: is growing, and we're going to talk about what they 992 00:51:52,880 --> 00:51:58,160 Speaker 1: did with their growing power on Wednesday in the final 993 00:51:58,239 --> 00:51:59,760 Speaker 1: part of this four part epic. 994 00:52:01,000 --> 00:52:02,000 Speaker 3: I don't want it to end. 995 00:52:03,400 --> 00:52:05,640 Speaker 1: Well, when we come back, we're going to see them 996 00:52:05,680 --> 00:52:10,160 Speaker 1: overthrow capitalism and no, I'm just kidding it co intel, 997 00:52:10,200 --> 00:52:13,000 Speaker 1: repression and internal conflicts fuel by authoritarian instructure and going 998 00:52:13,040 --> 00:52:14,560 Speaker 1: to fuck them up, but their legacy will live on. 999 00:52:15,360 --> 00:52:17,719 Speaker 1: And when we come back, they're going to take over 1000 00:52:17,760 --> 00:52:18,520 Speaker 1: a fucking hospital. 1001 00:52:19,719 --> 00:52:22,360 Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I was gonna say, I Linded. Do you 1002 00:52:22,440 --> 00:52:27,719 Speaker 5: know what else is based? You're pluggables? My what you're pluggables? 1003 00:52:27,840 --> 00:52:28,440 Speaker 5: Anything that you. 1004 00:52:30,840 --> 00:52:35,120 Speaker 3: Well, you can find me on all of the social medias. 1005 00:52:36,080 --> 00:52:38,759 Speaker 3: Some of them terrify me more than others. But I'm 1006 00:52:39,160 --> 00:52:42,000 Speaker 3: on Instagram as hooray for the riff raff that spelled 1007 00:52:42,040 --> 00:52:44,840 Speaker 3: with a U h u r r a y for 1008 00:52:44,960 --> 00:52:48,360 Speaker 3: the riff Raff on Twitter and all the other ones, 1009 00:52:49,080 --> 00:52:51,799 Speaker 3: and I'll be on tour this summer on the West 1010 00:52:51,840 --> 00:52:54,439 Speaker 3: Coast and also through the Midwest in July. 1011 00:52:55,000 --> 00:52:57,359 Speaker 5: Oh yeah, Magpie anything you want to plug? 1012 00:52:58,719 --> 00:53:01,920 Speaker 1: My other podcast, Like the World's Dying, has gone weekly, 1013 00:53:02,440 --> 00:53:03,920 Speaker 1: So if you're like, how am I going to make 1014 00:53:03,920 --> 00:53:06,239 Speaker 1: it till Monday? You can listen to me or one 1015 00:53:06,280 --> 00:53:09,640 Speaker 1: of my other co hosts on Friday by listening to 1016 00:53:09,680 --> 00:53:15,120 Speaker 1: live like the World Is Dying? And I'm on social 1017 00:53:15,160 --> 00:53:20,520 Speaker 1: media even though I hate it, as are, so if 1018 00:53:20,560 --> 00:53:24,479 Speaker 1: you want to participate in either everyone feeling bad about 1019 00:53:24,480 --> 00:53:26,640 Speaker 1: themselves been trying to perform coolness, you can see me 1020 00:53:26,760 --> 00:53:29,960 Speaker 1: on Instagram at Margaret Kiljoy. Or if you want to 1021 00:53:30,360 --> 00:53:33,120 Speaker 1: have bad faith arguments with people making bad faith arguments 1022 00:53:33,160 --> 00:53:35,920 Speaker 1: about you and watch the Left of Hour itself, you 1023 00:53:36,040 --> 00:53:38,800 Speaker 1: can find me on Twitter at Magpie Killjoy. 1024 00:53:40,160 --> 00:53:40,520 Speaker 3: Sophie. 1025 00:53:40,680 --> 00:53:41,120 Speaker 6: What do you got? 1026 00:53:41,160 --> 00:53:41,799 Speaker 1: What do you want to plug? 1027 00:53:42,480 --> 00:53:45,399 Speaker 2: Ah? My beautiful friend Jimmy Loftus has a book coming 1028 00:53:45,440 --> 00:53:48,000 Speaker 2: out and it is available for pre order right now. 1029 00:53:48,040 --> 00:53:51,399 Speaker 2: It is called Raw Dog. If you go to any 1030 00:53:51,440 --> 00:53:53,520 Speaker 2: of Jamie's social media's you can find a link to 1031 00:53:54,040 --> 00:53:56,680 Speaker 2: pre order or requested at your local library. 1032 00:53:57,080 --> 00:53:59,240 Speaker 1: It's probably worth pointing out that it's about hot dogs. 1033 00:54:00,239 --> 00:54:02,960 Speaker 3: Oh, fair enough, fair enough, it up. 1034 00:54:05,280 --> 00:54:06,680 Speaker 1: Yep, we'll see you Wednesday. 1035 00:54:07,440 --> 00:54:12,560 Speaker 2: They Cool People Who Did Cool Stuff is a production 1036 00:54:12,719 --> 00:54:15,879 Speaker 2: of cool Zone Media. For more podcasts and cool Zone Media, 1037 00:54:16,080 --> 00:54:19,279 Speaker 2: visit our website coolzonmedia dot com, or check us out 1038 00:54:19,400 --> 00:54:20,480 Speaker 2: on the iHeartRadio 1039 00:54:20,480 --> 00:54:23,560 Speaker 5: App, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.