1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,440 Speaker 1: Let's get to another Eddie. He is Eddie Low, the 2 00:00:02,480 --> 00:00:05,480 Speaker 1: c i O of may Bank Group Wealth Management. He's 3 00:00:05,480 --> 00:00:08,000 Speaker 1: on the line from Singapore. Eddie, thanks for being with us. 4 00:00:08,640 --> 00:00:10,799 Speaker 1: We saw what the Bank of England did. It just 5 00:00:10,960 --> 00:00:15,440 Speaker 1: underscores this concern not only about inflationary pressures, but the 6 00:00:15,480 --> 00:00:18,280 Speaker 1: fact that we may be looking at a recession globally 7 00:00:18,440 --> 00:00:21,160 Speaker 1: right now. Were you in that on that for me? 8 00:00:21,560 --> 00:00:25,400 Speaker 1: Do you think that is a high probability event right? 9 00:00:25,440 --> 00:00:27,440 Speaker 1: I think if you look at the Bank of England's 10 00:00:27,560 --> 00:00:31,240 Speaker 1: latest action hiking fifty basis point, that is actually pretty 11 00:00:31,280 --> 00:00:34,800 Speaker 1: much expected. And what is concerning is really the the 12 00:00:34,840 --> 00:00:38,320 Speaker 1: central Bank talking about, you know, a prolonged recession from 13 00:00:38,320 --> 00:00:44,559 Speaker 1: the fourth quarter and yet inflation remaining persistently high and 14 00:00:44,680 --> 00:00:49,200 Speaker 1: elevator even going into three and this is actually equal 15 00:00:49,320 --> 00:00:51,800 Speaker 1: not just you know, we we've seen this kind of comments, 16 00:00:51,840 --> 00:00:54,520 Speaker 1: not just from the Bank of England. The RBA recently 17 00:00:54,560 --> 00:00:57,800 Speaker 1: made a similar statement and obviously the US Fed. So 18 00:00:57,800 --> 00:01:01,840 Speaker 1: so overall we do expect we are actually seeing increasing 19 00:01:01,840 --> 00:01:05,440 Speaker 1: downside risk to growth and therefore corporate endings. And because 20 00:01:05,480 --> 00:01:08,600 Speaker 1: of that, in terms of investment strategy, in terms in 21 00:01:08,720 --> 00:01:12,399 Speaker 1: terms of portfolio allocation, we maintain a pretty defensive stance. 22 00:01:13,319 --> 00:01:16,000 Speaker 1: So a defensive stance, what does it mean across emerging 23 00:01:16,040 --> 00:01:19,200 Speaker 1: Asia as well? Because these growth concerns very much overtaking 24 00:01:19,200 --> 00:01:23,640 Speaker 1: inflation acts here, right, I think in terms of that's 25 00:01:23,640 --> 00:01:28,840 Speaker 1: the allocation, we currently still maintain an underweight um stance 26 00:01:28,920 --> 00:01:35,080 Speaker 1: or allocation to equities including Asia actual plan equities like China. Right. Uh, 27 00:01:35,200 --> 00:01:37,800 Speaker 1: And we are very selected. We really want to seek 28 00:01:37,840 --> 00:01:42,200 Speaker 1: shelter in defensive sectors such as consumer stables as well 29 00:01:42,240 --> 00:01:45,440 Speaker 1: as how care stocks. Not in contrast, we are actually 30 00:01:45,880 --> 00:01:49,760 Speaker 1: suggesting to our finds too maybe take another look at 31 00:01:49,800 --> 00:01:53,640 Speaker 1: fixs income because we thought that there are actually increasing 32 00:01:53,920 --> 00:01:57,360 Speaker 1: or interesting opportunities, particularly on the sovereign bonds front. We 33 00:01:57,480 --> 00:02:00,800 Speaker 1: believe that because of these growing growth cons and um 34 00:02:00,840 --> 00:02:05,360 Speaker 1: taking a treasury yields are likely to or other the 35 00:02:05,480 --> 00:02:08,080 Speaker 1: tame trail. Yeals are not likely to be test the 36 00:02:08,240 --> 00:02:10,799 Speaker 1: new high, the recent heights of three point five percent. 37 00:02:10,880 --> 00:02:12,840 Speaker 1: In fact, we believe that they're going to trend lower 38 00:02:12,880 --> 00:02:15,359 Speaker 1: to two point five percent. And we know that historically 39 00:02:16,000 --> 00:02:19,079 Speaker 1: treasury yields tend to do well in times of downtowns 40 00:02:19,120 --> 00:02:21,600 Speaker 1: because they will benefit from a flight to safety. So 41 00:02:21,760 --> 00:02:24,200 Speaker 1: is that the only area if you're looking at sovereign 42 00:02:24,240 --> 00:02:27,960 Speaker 1: and fixed income. I'm wondering whether there are other jurisdictions 43 00:02:27,960 --> 00:02:30,839 Speaker 1: outside the US that you would be tempted to take 44 00:02:30,840 --> 00:02:35,920 Speaker 1: a position in. Right well, I think apart from sovereign bonds, 45 00:02:35,960 --> 00:02:39,680 Speaker 1: we do um suggest to our investors and clients to 46 00:02:39,760 --> 00:02:42,240 Speaker 1: take a look at some of the shorter data investment 47 00:02:42,240 --> 00:02:47,760 Speaker 1: red bonds. Now granted, corporate credits are not going to 48 00:02:48,000 --> 00:02:51,600 Speaker 1: be immune to a downtown in the economy because poplate 49 00:02:51,639 --> 00:02:54,280 Speaker 1: spreads are likely to widen. But if you were to 50 00:02:54,320 --> 00:02:57,320 Speaker 1: stick to something the shorter you know, investment bated bonds, 51 00:02:57,360 --> 00:03:00,400 Speaker 1: triple B rating and above, I think you could still 52 00:03:00,480 --> 00:03:05,160 Speaker 1: get some defensive carry on that front. But definitely I 53 00:03:05,200 --> 00:03:08,639 Speaker 1: think we are encouraging our clients really to avoid the 54 00:03:08,720 --> 00:03:12,800 Speaker 1: higher credits, including those in the Asia region and and 55 00:03:12,800 --> 00:03:16,200 Speaker 1: and on that front, we are actually currently underweight um 56 00:03:16,240 --> 00:03:19,040 Speaker 1: in terms of higher credits in both developed markets as 57 00:03:19,080 --> 00:03:22,520 Speaker 1: fast Asia. We're looking to the reaction to Ali Baba's 58 00:03:22,520 --> 00:03:25,600 Speaker 1: results when Hong Kong opens in ten minutes time. I mean, 59 00:03:25,639 --> 00:03:27,639 Speaker 1: we saw the a d R s rise and there 60 00:03:27,639 --> 00:03:29,799 Speaker 1: was quite a rarely ahead of the earnings yesterday. Do 61 00:03:29,880 --> 00:03:32,000 Speaker 1: you think a lot of the negativity has now been 62 00:03:32,000 --> 00:03:35,560 Speaker 1: priced into the tech space. Well. Indeed, I think if 63 00:03:35,560 --> 00:03:38,760 Speaker 1: you look at the performance of Ali Baba itself, the 64 00:03:38,880 --> 00:03:42,000 Speaker 1: absolute numbers were not impressive, but because of the fact 65 00:03:42,040 --> 00:03:45,840 Speaker 1: that the expectations of a weaker growth bid for revenue 66 00:03:45,960 --> 00:03:48,960 Speaker 1: or earnings has been priced in, so I think it 67 00:03:49,080 --> 00:03:50,920 Speaker 1: was it was better than it was deemed to be 68 00:03:50,920 --> 00:03:54,840 Speaker 1: better expected, which caused a rebound and share crisis. So overall, 69 00:03:54,920 --> 00:03:57,880 Speaker 1: I think this the same applies to the broader Chinese 70 00:03:57,880 --> 00:04:02,120 Speaker 1: tax sector. But what we are focusing on is on 71 00:04:02,400 --> 00:04:04,880 Speaker 1: the future outlook, the guidance on the future I look 72 00:04:05,000 --> 00:04:07,680 Speaker 1: and I think that matters more to share price performance 73 00:04:07,720 --> 00:04:12,040 Speaker 1: down the road. And in terms of recovery. Unfortunately, we 74 00:04:12,160 --> 00:04:15,160 Speaker 1: believe that while we think that recovery is in place, 75 00:04:15,200 --> 00:04:17,640 Speaker 1: it's going to be gradual rather than v shaped. Given 76 00:04:17,640 --> 00:04:20,480 Speaker 1: the fact that you still see a lot of macro 77 00:04:20,600 --> 00:04:25,320 Speaker 1: hid winds uh you know in China, and obviously regulator 78 00:04:25,480 --> 00:04:29,000 Speaker 1: regularly tightening within China itself, although we are seeing the 79 00:04:29,080 --> 00:04:33,040 Speaker 1: busing intensity, but that is not completely out of the way. 80 00:04:33,720 --> 00:04:36,880 Speaker 1: Plus the fact that given the rising US China attentions, 81 00:04:36,960 --> 00:04:40,640 Speaker 1: so we could hear more noises about the listing of 82 00:04:40,920 --> 00:04:43,240 Speaker 1: Chinese styles in the US and that could trigger some 83 00:04:43,360 --> 00:04:47,719 Speaker 1: near term share volatility. So therefore, I guess you know 84 00:04:47,920 --> 00:04:50,320 Speaker 1: there are long term opportunities, but investors need to be 85 00:04:50,360 --> 00:04:53,480 Speaker 1: patient onunderstruction. Well, let's tease out that issue of US 86 00:04:53,560 --> 00:04:57,640 Speaker 1: China tensions. Japan had been reporting earlier than China fired 87 00:04:57,680 --> 00:05:00,799 Speaker 1: some missiles over the Taiwan during some mill terry drills. 88 00:05:00,880 --> 00:05:04,679 Speaker 1: Prime Minister Kishi Da demanding the China stop these drills. 89 00:05:04,839 --> 00:05:07,960 Speaker 1: Where are you when it comes to geopolitical risk right now? 90 00:05:08,080 --> 00:05:11,760 Speaker 1: Is is what the market seems to be signaling. I mean, 91 00:05:12,000 --> 00:05:14,320 Speaker 1: there doesn't seem to be a great deal of concern 92 00:05:14,480 --> 00:05:18,359 Speaker 1: right now reflected in asset prices right. Indeed, that I 93 00:05:18,400 --> 00:05:22,680 Speaker 1: think I noticed, how can we've noticed that before the 94 00:05:22,720 --> 00:05:25,800 Speaker 1: Pelosi visit, we did see some negative reaction in the 95 00:05:25,880 --> 00:05:31,040 Speaker 1: hunting index, but after the visit the reaction was rather muted. UH. 96 00:05:31,080 --> 00:05:36,680 Speaker 1: And I think China obviously is showing displeasure through more 97 00:05:36,839 --> 00:05:40,839 Speaker 1: military drills and some trade restrictions on Taiwan. But we 98 00:05:40,960 --> 00:05:44,200 Speaker 1: do not believe that they will engage all their uh, 99 00:05:44,240 --> 00:05:47,080 Speaker 1: they will be motivated to engage in really a direct 100 00:05:47,080 --> 00:05:51,960 Speaker 1: minetary confrontation with Taiwan. So overall, the market impact on 101 00:05:52,040 --> 00:05:57,000 Speaker 1: this incident will likely be contain unless, of course, accidents 102 00:05:57,200 --> 00:05:59,440 Speaker 1: were to happen, and obviously we don't wish to see 103 00:05:59,480 --> 00:06:03,400 Speaker 1: that accident happening. But having said that, you know, beyond 104 00:06:03,560 --> 00:06:08,480 Speaker 1: this episode, we do expect for the escalation of US 105 00:06:08,560 --> 00:06:13,080 Speaker 1: China attentions, especially ahead of the U S midterms in November. 106 00:06:13,960 --> 00:06:16,800 Speaker 1: So I think that is something that is going to 107 00:06:16,880 --> 00:06:20,279 Speaker 1: be a cause for market volatile volatility as well, and 108 00:06:20,360 --> 00:06:23,120 Speaker 1: perhaps a concern for some of the big US companies 109 00:06:23,160 --> 00:06:27,160 Speaker 1: if we do see a China consumer backlash. Oh yeah, indeed, 110 00:06:27,320 --> 00:06:32,120 Speaker 1: I guess uh. Chinese market is actually quite important for 111 00:06:32,160 --> 00:06:35,800 Speaker 1: a number of the big US companies, although we have 112 00:06:36,040 --> 00:06:41,440 Speaker 1: really not seen Chinese companies imposing restrictions on these companies 113 00:06:41,440 --> 00:06:46,200 Speaker 1: selling into China in a big way. But noises with 114 00:06:46,200 --> 00:06:49,080 Speaker 1: regards to US China attentions are obviously will have the 115 00:06:49,120 --> 00:06:52,080 Speaker 1: impact of the sentiment on this US companies as well, 116 00:06:52,320 --> 00:06:55,080 Speaker 1: no doubt about this. We've seen a lot of volatility 117 00:06:55,080 --> 00:06:57,919 Speaker 1: and currencies as well be end much stronger today. The 118 00:06:58,000 --> 00:07:00,200 Speaker 1: dollar pulled back during New York tradity, but we're not 119 00:07:00,360 --> 00:07:03,360 Speaker 1: that far from a twenty year high. Against the majors. 120 00:07:03,760 --> 00:07:07,080 Speaker 1: Give me your outlook very quickly at in about thirty seconds. 121 00:07:07,120 --> 00:07:10,560 Speaker 1: What what can we expect from currency markets? Right? I 122 00:07:10,560 --> 00:07:13,760 Speaker 1: think that if you look at the dollar currency US dollar, 123 00:07:13,880 --> 00:07:16,040 Speaker 1: it has actually been one of the best performing currency 124 00:07:16,400 --> 00:07:19,400 Speaker 1: yet today, but recently has been pulled back because of 125 00:07:19,480 --> 00:07:23,560 Speaker 1: these expectations of affect of it or more doublished tech stunts. 126 00:07:23,600 --> 00:07:26,960 Speaker 1: But we believe that that may be pre mature given 127 00:07:27,000 --> 00:07:30,200 Speaker 1: a sect that we are still seeing very high inflation 128 00:07:30,240 --> 00:07:33,200 Speaker 1: and we don't know whether that's going to modelate meaningfully 129 00:07:33,240 --> 00:07:36,720 Speaker 1: for the fat to pivot as well. So therefore, uh, 130 00:07:36,880 --> 00:07:39,560 Speaker 1: you know, burrying the short term short softness, we think 131 00:07:39,600 --> 00:07:43,920 Speaker 1: that the dollar will actually remain, will be be supported 132 00:07:43,920 --> 00:07:45,680 Speaker 1: act in the near term, and that actually will be 133 00:07:45,680 --> 00:07:48,360 Speaker 1: negative for the other major concies. Alright, Eddie, will see 134 00:07:48,360 --> 00:07:49,760 Speaker 1: you on TV in a couple of hours to double 135 00:07:49,800 --> 00:07:51,840 Speaker 1: shift for you. Eddie low c I O and Maybank 136 00:07:51,880 --> 00:07:54,400 Speaker 1: Group Wealth Management on the line from Singapore for US 137 00:07:54,440 --> 00:07:56,680 Speaker 1: here on daybreak Asia. This is Bloomberg