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Speaker 1: Reality with the King is hosted by me, Carlos King.

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Speaker 1: I'm an executive producer who have produced some of your

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Speaker 1: favorite shows from the Real Housewives in Atlanta, New Jersey

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Speaker 1: and my own creation, The Love and Marriage Franchise and

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Speaker 1: Bell Collective. Every episode, we recap reality television from the

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Speaker 1: Real Housewives Franchise to The Bachelor or Selling Sunset, in

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Speaker 1: addition to celebrity guests, whether in the unscripted space or

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Speaker 1: scripted as well.

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Speaker 2: Hey, rain drops.

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Speaker 1: On today's episode Reality with the King, we have to

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Speaker 1: talk about the latest episode of the Real Housewives of

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Speaker 1: Orange County. But look, I feel like because her name

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Speaker 1: keeps getting mentioned, I might as well break her back

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Speaker 1: to another recap because I feel like she's the elephant

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Speaker 1: in the room. Not calling her an animo, but listen,

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Speaker 1: it's a Metaphor give it up for my friend, the

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Speaker 1: beautiful the woman. Listen, what's the name of that restaurant

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Speaker 1: that is popular the OC Is it the woman in

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Speaker 1: the Room or something?

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Speaker 2: I'll ask me she hops on.

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Speaker 1: But anyways, give it up for my friend, the one

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Speaker 1: that keeps getting talked about.

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Speaker 2: She might as well defend herself. Alexis Ballino.

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Speaker 3: Hey, everybody, Hello.

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Speaker 2: Hey, Alexus, How are you guy? How are you good?

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Speaker 2: What's the name that I resta around the o C

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Speaker 2: that everyone goes to. Is it the Woman in the

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Speaker 2: Room or something like that?

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Speaker 3: I hate Carlos.

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Speaker 4: I met John there. It's called the Quiet Woman. The

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Speaker 4: Quiet Woman. She's headless. It's it's a nun fact. You

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Speaker 4: have to know these things about me, You know that.

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Speaker 2: I know the look.

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Speaker 1: I recapped so many Bravo shows and reality shows that

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Speaker 1: the name sometimes splits my brain.

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Speaker 2: But baby, you're not slipping anyone's brains.

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Speaker 1: So let's get into the latest episode of the Real

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Speaker 1: housewatch of Orange count Look, let's just get right into it.

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Speaker 1: This episode continued where Shannon is confronting Katie about her

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Speaker 1: being illegally recorded, and she's very upset about it.

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Speaker 2: One thing I thought that was interesting is this, obviously.

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Speaker 1: The recording was audio, and you clear that up on

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Speaker 1: this very podcast, thank you very much. But Katie is

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Speaker 1: mad at Tamara, and so it's jin because they feel

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Speaker 1: like it's Tamara's fault that all of this is happening,

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Speaker 1: because she's the one who told Gina I'm confused and

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Speaker 1: I want to get her thoughts on Miss Alexis, I

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Speaker 1: feel like this love Tamar, hate her.

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Speaker 2: She's great television.

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Speaker 1: However, I still blame Katie for doing the action. Now,

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Speaker 1: should Tamar have kept her mouth shut? Look in a

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Speaker 1: life that isn't a sort of like reality show about

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Speaker 1: the subverb area of OC. Sure, but Tamra is a gossiper.

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Speaker 1: It sas everybody in that town. So I feel like

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Speaker 1: Tama was being Tamra. I don't understand why everyone's blaming

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Speaker 1: Tamar for repeating, not even repeating, for telling Gina what

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Speaker 1: happened when.

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Speaker 2: Katie is the one who did the actual action. What

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Speaker 2: are your thoughts on that, Alexis.

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Speaker 4: Well, I definitely think that in a world where you're

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Speaker 4: not felding a reality show, it probably would not have

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Speaker 4: gotten brought up. Maybe you would have, But we are

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Speaker 4: gossipers around here in the ESCA. It seems like and

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Speaker 4: it's such a small world, but it is. It's Katie's actions,

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Speaker 4: but it's also Shannon's acton Shannon's the one that was

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Speaker 4: doing the ridiculous for heavire, Katie was. I don't think Katie,

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Speaker 4: to be honest, I don't think Katie was being malicious

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Speaker 4: I think she literally because I was friends with her

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Speaker 4: at the time. Obviously this has changed now, but she

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Speaker 4: literally told me. And the reason she was upseted because

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Speaker 4: she was on a business call with her husband. She

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Speaker 4: wanted to be able to say, guy, this is why

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Speaker 4: not in an mosious way, and it just happened to

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Speaker 4: if it wouldn't have come out in another way. You know,

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Speaker 4: Katie didn't share it with other people. She did, She

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Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, I mean listened, she did.

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Speaker 1: And look, when it comes to Katie, Alexis, I gotta

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Speaker 1: be honest with you. I've tried so hard to find

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Speaker 1: a deeming quality about Katie.

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Speaker 2: It's hard. Like after you eat a red velvet cake

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Speaker 2: and you're trying to put in your skinny Jee's, you're.

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Speaker 1: Just like strugg league to like fasten the button and

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Speaker 1: everything else. That's how hard it is for me. It's

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Speaker 1: it's voice to men. It's hard to say goodbye Hard.

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Speaker 1: It's Rihanna's album Hard featuring g Z.

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Speaker 2: It's hard for me.

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Speaker 3: Okay, you are doing a lot of good Metaphods today.

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Speaker 2: Thank you. I had a cup of Joe.

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Speaker 1: Well, but you did say to me the last time

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Speaker 1: he spoke like, no, Carlos, Katie's a good girl, blah

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Speaker 2: And I'm like, I trust my friend Alexis Billino. But

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Speaker 2: Alexa is like, what is it about Katie that's a

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Speaker 2: truth syrup. I think she's a lie. You lie your

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Speaker 2: pants on fire.

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Speaker 3: It's the wrong day to talk to me about Katie.

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Speaker 4: After last night's stent on and watch what happened li

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Speaker 4: where she's now is calling me a liar and saying

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Speaker 4: I didn't hear the voice memo. Why am I gonna

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Speaker 4: lie about that? And why is she lying about that?

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Speaker 4: Like if that is there's no benefit. Everyone knows there's

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Speaker 4: a voice memo. Why are you gonna lie and say

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Speaker 4: you didn't share it with people that you did share

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Speaker 4: it with.

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Speaker 3: It's just this, this line makes no sense. I get this.

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Speaker 4: She's trying to cover her bum and other live this

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Speaker 4: one to me is just a ridiculous one. And I

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Speaker 4: would have defended her like I did last you know,

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Speaker 4: last time week we spoke on your show, on your podcast,

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Speaker 4: I was like, she's a sweet girl. I don't I

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Speaker 4: don't see what all the other girls see this and

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Speaker 4: that I can't say that now Now she's burnt my

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Speaker 3: So I it's a wrong day, Carlos.

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Speaker 4: I want to be she's funny. I'm not gonna I'm

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Speaker 4: not gonna say she's not funny. She's funny and witty

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Speaker 4: and and I just think she has a really really

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Speaker 4: bad relationship with the truth.

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Speaker 3: Now I have to Okay, then the other girls.

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Speaker 1: So uh, I'm sorry, guys, that's me gagging and I'm

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Speaker 1: literally wiping the saliva from my cheeny chin chin.

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Speaker 2: So wait a second, Okay, so watch what Happens Live.

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Speaker 1: You're saying that Katie said that you're lying about receiving

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Speaker 1: the audio, that she never sent it to.

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Speaker 4: You, Andy Cohen asked her last night. Okay, so this

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Speaker 4: is hours later that I'm still steaming from being paul

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Speaker 4: a liar basically, and you can call me a lot

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Speaker 4: of things, Carlos. Okay, I'm I'm John's defense team. I'm

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Speaker 4: dippy sometimes on camera, I'm you know, I don't know.

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Speaker 3: I I eat weird, I talk weird. Whatever you can say,

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Speaker 3: any of those.

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Speaker 4: Things, you will get through this life. Calling me a

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Speaker 4: liar because I don't lie. Okay, it's the one thing

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Speaker 3: So yeah, Andy.

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Speaker 4: Cohen asks her, did you I'm confused, who all did

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Speaker 4: you share it with?

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Speaker 3: And share with Alexis?

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Speaker 4: And Katie goes only so and so and points to

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Speaker 4: some guy in the audience, and I'm sitting there with

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Speaker 4: my mouth dropped open, and I'm like, first of all.

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Speaker 3: I heard the recording. Okay.

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Speaker 4: We were sitting at a restaurant solo Babe, right across

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Speaker 4: juicy stuff for them. I hope they're not. And I'm like,

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Speaker 4: you know, listening, so I have re turn it down.

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Speaker 4: My name's being mentioned every other F bomb because Shannon's

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Speaker 4: upset and yelling at an Executi Bravo that you should

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Speaker 4: not be yelling at like you don't yell at Bravo executives.

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Speaker 3: Okay, and so I'm my mouth's wide open.

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Speaker 4: I'm just like, oh, for the Alexis is here, doesn't

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Speaker 4: me mental health? How dare you know this? And that

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Speaker 4: that's the recording? I heard the recording. Okay, So I

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Speaker 4: don't know why anyone would want to lie about it

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Speaker 4: and just own it.

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Speaker 3: You already owned it and said you have it, So

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Speaker 3: why are you going to try to say you only.

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Speaker 4: Share it with your oh sorry, your makeup artist or

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Speaker 4: whatever whoever she said in the audience.

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Speaker 3: Okay, there's the tea. You wanted, the tea, you got

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Speaker 4: Carlos, I'm going into witness protection program.

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Speaker 2: Once again. Listen, listen once again. Carlos King is vindicated.

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Speaker 1: Just like I said to all of my rain drops,

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Speaker 1: gar Cell and Sell and by the way, they unfollowed

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Speaker 1: each other this week, Alexis, get the care. I'm the

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Speaker 1: one who said I don't believe the friendship. I thinks

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Speaker 1: the alliance. I did apologize to that Garcel. I love

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Speaker 1: them both, but I said I'm sorry because I offend

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Speaker 1: I'm vindicated, I said, since since since episode one season nineteen,

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Speaker 1: I'm like, there's something about Katie.

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Speaker 2: No, not Mary, shout out to.

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Speaker 1: My girl camera, diask there is something about Katie, the

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Speaker 1: enigma that is Katie.

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Speaker 2: I just don't believe her.

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Speaker 1: And and some fans like, Carlos, shut up, You're You're

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Speaker 1: in a Lexa Tamra's asshole, and I'm like, don't.

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Speaker 2: I don't think I'm Summer's.

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Speaker 3: Even Okay, So I don't hear.

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Speaker 2: Mine is mine?

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Speaker 4: You call a sat a spade, Carlos, Let's just leave

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Speaker 4: it at that, Okay, you do. I think that's why

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Speaker 4: you're so loved by so many people, because regardless of

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Speaker 4: what you know, if you get the wrath of anything

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Speaker 4: or from whatever you've said, you were honest and you

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Speaker 4: speak your mind and most of the time.

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Speaker 3: You end up being right. So, okay, I would have

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Speaker 3: argued with you last week. I would have argued with you.

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Speaker 4: I would have said, oh, come on, don't be so

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Speaker 4: hard on Katie, because I'm like you, I was feeling

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Speaker 4: really bad. I thought I felt like it was such

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Speaker 4: ship with the girls, being like I just got led about.

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Speaker 3: So now I believe that she is flying about all.

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Speaker 4: Those othersuff because it's just do the lie, like oh yeah, anyway.

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Speaker 2: Yes, I don't get it because on your that's okay,

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Speaker 2: I will say this.

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Speaker 1: I don't get it because for me, even in this

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Speaker 1: episode when Katie is like, so, you know, Tamrack goes outside,

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Speaker 1: she brings Joe and she sees Katie and her husband Matt,

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Speaker 1: And I think Matt is such a sweet guy. I

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Speaker 1: feel I honestly feel bad for Mike because I'm sure

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Speaker 1: I mean that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think he's a good person. He's a good human.

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Speaker 4: He's so innocent and in the storm of all of this,

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Speaker 1: Exactly exactly, instead of the path of Matt leading you

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Speaker 2: This is reality with the King, and I'm Carlos King.

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Speaker 1: In this episode, Alexis than Tamra accusing Jen of wearing

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Speaker 4: And I don't think Dinner of Soccer or want to

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Speaker 1: Is there a shortage of horses that is lacking in

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Speaker 1: Do you see some validity in what Tamar is saying

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Speaker 4: I really don't understand where it comes from, because I

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Speaker 4: Now that's what I'm telling you they have such a beef,

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Speaker 1: So I do want to go there now with it too,

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Speaker 1: I think is the perfect moment to address everything without

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Speaker 4: Jen's bank Suddenly I can't hear you, all right.

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Speaker 2: I'll start hang on, say it again, testing one.

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Speaker 2: Jen said same thing with me.

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Speaker 1: I just start seeing Ryan until I was I was,

438
00:21:37,600 --> 00:21:39,600
Speaker 1: you know, out the house, out of my marriage or whatever,

439
00:21:39,840 --> 00:21:40,840
Speaker 1: not divorce.

440
00:21:40,560 --> 00:21:44,200
Speaker 2: But technically away from the marriage. What your thoughts on

441
00:21:44,320 --> 00:21:47,960
Speaker 2: that is, is that considered cheating to you? And is

442
00:21:48,000 --> 00:21:49,479
Speaker 2: that true based on your knowledge?

443
00:21:50,840 --> 00:21:54,080
Speaker 4: I think every divorce a has to handle that topic

444
00:21:54,160 --> 00:21:56,080
Speaker 4: on their own and go with their own world. I mean,

445
00:21:56,280 --> 00:21:58,960
Speaker 4: the minute Jim and I, you know, knew we were

446
00:21:58,960 --> 00:22:00,639
Speaker 4: going to get a divorce. At that point, the narrows

447
00:22:00,760 --> 00:22:02,840
Speaker 4: is over. I don't think it's cheating at all. I

448
00:22:02,880 --> 00:22:06,280
Speaker 4: think if you once you've said we're done, I mean,

449
00:22:06,600 --> 00:22:08,440
Speaker 4: if you have to wait for the divorce finalize, which

450
00:22:08,440 --> 00:22:10,119
Speaker 4: a lot of people believe in that you have to.

451
00:22:10,640 --> 00:22:11,960
Speaker 3: You might have to wait two to three years for

452
00:22:12,040 --> 00:22:12,680
Speaker 3: some divorces.

453
00:22:12,800 --> 00:22:14,680
Speaker 4: So it's like you're not going to spend that whole

454
00:22:14,680 --> 00:22:16,720
Speaker 4: too with when you're saying and still you're you're still

455
00:22:16,800 --> 00:22:18,639
Speaker 4: married with this guy when you're out living together. So

456
00:22:19,240 --> 00:22:22,080
Speaker 4: I wasn't there when Tamra met Eddie, so I don't

457
00:22:22,119 --> 00:22:24,199
Speaker 4: know for sure what was happening. I'm going to take

458
00:22:24,200 --> 00:22:25,800
Speaker 4: it at face volume book that she said when she

459
00:22:25,840 --> 00:22:26,840
Speaker 4: said I have maked.

460
00:22:26,640 --> 00:22:27,399
Speaker 3: Out, saying with Jin.

461
00:22:28,080 --> 00:22:30,040
Speaker 4: But there is the rumor going around that both of

462
00:22:30,080 --> 00:22:31,760
Speaker 4: them have cheated. I guess I didn't even know that

463
00:22:31,880 --> 00:22:33,600
Speaker 4: was that was part of it. But they're both sitting

464
00:22:33,600 --> 00:22:36,000
Speaker 4: there accusing each other of it and then saying no.

465
00:22:36,160 --> 00:22:36,720
Speaker 3: But I wasn't.

466
00:22:36,760 --> 00:22:41,119
Speaker 4: I was moved out, So I think it it doesn't

467
00:22:41,240 --> 00:22:44,760
Speaker 4: make any different. After you mentioned that you're can divorce,

468
00:22:44,840 --> 00:22:46,280
Speaker 4: I think, what do you think? Because I think at

469
00:22:46,280 --> 00:22:48,440
Speaker 4: that point, it's like, okay, we're done, let's move on.

470
00:22:49,480 --> 00:22:52,200
Speaker 4: Sign on the dog line when the line comes.

471
00:22:52,960 --> 00:22:55,399
Speaker 2: Yes, no, what that was saying. I don't think it's cheating.

472
00:22:55,720 --> 00:22:59,119
Speaker 1: If we both said we are divorcing each other and

473
00:22:59,200 --> 00:23:01,119
Speaker 1: we're going to move on from this marriage. I think

474
00:23:01,200 --> 00:23:06,160
Speaker 1: the moment two parties decide this marriage is heading towards

475
00:23:06,240 --> 00:23:10,320
Speaker 1: divorce and we're going to file, I think that's the

476
00:23:10,440 --> 00:23:12,680
Speaker 1: day you're able to start dating other people.

477
00:23:12,920 --> 00:23:13,600
Speaker 2: I don't think.

478
00:23:14,359 --> 00:23:17,240
Speaker 1: I don't think you should wait until the divorce is finalized,

479
00:23:17,560 --> 00:23:20,800
Speaker 1: because based on my history working with housewives and reality

480
00:23:20,840 --> 00:23:24,040
Speaker 1: stars who are going through divorce, it can sometimes take

481
00:23:24,240 --> 00:23:28,520
Speaker 1: years for the divorce to be finalized, especially when there's

482
00:23:28,560 --> 00:23:30,080
Speaker 1: lots of assets.

483
00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:33,360
Speaker 2: And children involved. It takes a while. So I don't

484
00:23:33,359 --> 00:23:34,080
Speaker 2: think it's cheating.

485
00:23:34,320 --> 00:23:39,880
Speaker 1: However, Tamar did say, prompted by the shady producer, if

486
00:23:39,920 --> 00:23:45,840
Speaker 1: the professionals when when prompted by the producer, what is

487
00:23:45,920 --> 00:23:49,200
Speaker 1: the information that Jin? I mean, I'm sorry that Tamra

488
00:23:49,280 --> 00:23:54,960
Speaker 1: has on Gin. Tamar did say, there's yes, yes, no, yes.

489
00:23:55,800 --> 00:23:58,560
Speaker 1: Tamra says there's rumors that.

490
00:23:58,880 --> 00:24:05,600
Speaker 2: Jin was involved with another guy before Ryan. Is that

491
00:24:05,920 --> 00:24:07,520
Speaker 2: true in the OC streets?

492
00:24:07,560 --> 00:24:10,480
Speaker 4: Alexis Billino, I do not know, And I am so

493
00:24:10,640 --> 00:24:12,280
Speaker 4: sorry that I can't dish any more Tea on this.

494
00:24:12,560 --> 00:24:14,800
Speaker 4: I did not know about that or about it until

495
00:24:14,920 --> 00:24:17,119
Speaker 4: you know all of us just now. So I And

496
00:24:17,280 --> 00:24:19,000
Speaker 4: here's the thing I have a hard time with. There

497
00:24:19,040 --> 00:24:21,320
Speaker 4: are so many false rumors that go around. There are

498
00:24:21,359 --> 00:24:24,160
Speaker 4: so many things that aren't true said about me, about

499
00:24:24,200 --> 00:24:27,359
Speaker 4: people I know, about Tamara, about Jen. Sometimes I just

500
00:24:27,560 --> 00:24:29,240
Speaker 4: look the other way and go, okay, is it real

501
00:24:29,359 --> 00:24:30,680
Speaker 4: or not? And and by the way does it even

502
00:24:30,720 --> 00:24:33,840
Speaker 4: matter At this point she's engaged to Ryan. It's like, well,

503
00:24:33,920 --> 00:24:35,959
Speaker 4: just not worry about what happened five years ago, ten

504
00:24:36,040 --> 00:24:38,199
Speaker 4: years ago, and stick to what's happening now.

505
00:24:38,400 --> 00:24:40,399
Speaker 3: Like, I just I don't know.

506
00:24:40,840 --> 00:24:43,960
Speaker 4: And there was a rumor that Tamar and Eddie had cheeted,

507
00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:45,800
Speaker 4: and that was in one of the episodes, you know,

508
00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:48,080
Speaker 4: back in seasons five or eight or something or no,

509
00:24:48,240 --> 00:24:49,000
Speaker 4: maybe it was after that.

510
00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:50,520
Speaker 3: I don't remember.

511
00:24:50,560 --> 00:24:52,480
Speaker 4: Now all the time runs together, but and I don't

512
00:24:52,480 --> 00:24:55,000
Speaker 4: think that was true. So it's like, I just I

513
00:24:55,480 --> 00:24:55,800
Speaker 4: don't know.

514
00:24:56,359 --> 00:24:57,200
Speaker 3: People like to talk.

515
00:24:57,520 --> 00:24:58,879
Speaker 4: I think it's true in any town, not just O.

516
00:24:59,040 --> 00:25:00,760
Speaker 4: See by the way, I don't want to just a

517
00:25:00,800 --> 00:25:01,439
Speaker 4: bunch of doctors.

518
00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:04,119
Speaker 2: No, no, that's the big Oh No, it's Listen. The

519
00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:08,520
Speaker 2: Housewives has spaned to like ten cities, so clearly it's

520
00:25:08,600 --> 00:25:09,639
Speaker 2: in every area.

521
00:25:10,280 --> 00:25:13,320
Speaker 1: And that's the reason why the franchise is successful, because

522
00:25:13,359 --> 00:25:16,080
Speaker 1: they did a good job tapping into these cities where

523
00:25:16,200 --> 00:25:18,119
Speaker 1: it is like this community.

524
00:25:18,040 --> 00:25:21,080
Speaker 2: Where people do talk. And again it's like a nod

525
00:25:21,160 --> 00:25:22,120
Speaker 2: to Desperate Housewives.

526
00:25:22,720 --> 00:25:24,840
Speaker 1: One thing I would like to say about Tamara is

527
00:25:25,320 --> 00:25:28,280
Speaker 1: I really enjoyed this scene between her and Sophie her daughter,

528
00:25:29,320 --> 00:25:32,880
Speaker 1: and for me, look, I know Tamar goes a bad

529
00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:35,520
Speaker 1: rap and I know that tamras sometimes to the audience

530
00:25:35,880 --> 00:25:38,359
Speaker 1: does not help herself. I always look at it like

531
00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:41,720
Speaker 1: Tamara is a good reality star because she's complex and

532
00:25:41,840 --> 00:25:44,320
Speaker 1: she's not perfect, and I think that's the beauty of

533
00:25:44,480 --> 00:25:48,440
Speaker 1: her as a reality star. The scene between her and

534
00:25:48,600 --> 00:25:51,240
Speaker 1: Sophie made me smile because it was nice to see

535
00:25:51,280 --> 00:25:53,920
Speaker 1: her in mother mode. And I always think when it

536
00:25:54,000 --> 00:25:57,440
Speaker 1: comes to reality stars, it's nice to have that balance.

537
00:25:57,520 --> 00:26:01,560
Speaker 1: And that's the reason why last season, Alexis when you

538
00:26:01,680 --> 00:26:04,080
Speaker 1: were on and you came to my podcast and I

539
00:26:04,240 --> 00:26:06,760
Speaker 1: was on yours too, one thing we talked about was

540
00:26:07,520 --> 00:26:11,320
Speaker 1: the sort of unfortunate nature of you being a friend

541
00:26:11,960 --> 00:26:16,040
Speaker 1: because it prevented the world from seeing your full life.

542
00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:20,680
Speaker 1: Right you were subjected to only being the friend into

543
00:26:20,760 --> 00:26:25,040
Speaker 1: these other women's reality and not unfortunately having your full

544
00:26:25,119 --> 00:26:28,159
Speaker 1: reality be shown. Talk to me about the importance of

545
00:26:29,160 --> 00:26:33,200
Speaker 1: having these scenes where you are mother and people seeing

546
00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:35,399
Speaker 1: your life, because I felt that that scene really did

547
00:26:35,520 --> 00:26:37,159
Speaker 1: help balance out Tamar this season.

548
00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:39,439
Speaker 3: Well, it just that's what I.

549
00:26:39,760 --> 00:26:42,320
Speaker 4: Miss about the show too, because back season five to eight,

550
00:26:42,359 --> 00:26:45,720
Speaker 4: when I was on, it was even as a full

551
00:26:45,800 --> 00:26:49,120
Speaker 4: time versus a friend also, but it was a lot

552
00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:51,680
Speaker 4: more of your family life shown and real talk to

553
00:26:51,800 --> 00:26:54,080
Speaker 4: have with your husband, some real moments you have with

554
00:26:54,160 --> 00:26:56,520
Speaker 4: your kids, like when one of my kids the other

555
00:26:56,640 --> 00:26:58,080
Speaker 4: one of the twins, the other twin, and I had

556
00:26:58,080 --> 00:26:59,800
Speaker 4: to take all their you know, their lipstick and everything.

557
00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:03,440
Speaker 3: You don't get the same one your sister. So I

558
00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:04,560
Speaker 3: don't know.

559
00:27:04,800 --> 00:27:08,240
Speaker 4: I love that scene with Tamara, and it does show

560
00:27:08,280 --> 00:27:11,480
Speaker 4: her how like she is a good mom, She is

561
00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:14,280
Speaker 4: close to her kids, she would die for her kids,

562
00:27:14,359 --> 00:27:17,520
Speaker 4: you know, just like every other mom. And yeah, it's

563
00:27:17,560 --> 00:27:20,840
Speaker 4: the reality of real life that then people can kind

564
00:27:20,880 --> 00:27:24,159
Speaker 4: of go, oh, I can relate to that instead of

565
00:27:24,280 --> 00:27:26,760
Speaker 4: just all the bickering and the lies and rumors and

566
00:27:27,160 --> 00:27:29,360
Speaker 4: gossip that happens, which is doocy and not that keeps

567
00:27:29,359 --> 00:27:31,840
Speaker 4: everyone coming back. But it is good to see with

568
00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:35,040
Speaker 4: all the all the housewives, their mother little skills and

569
00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:37,960
Speaker 4: what it's like, you know, just bring it home for everybody.

570
00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:42,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree with you, and I think, look Tamra, obviously,

571
00:27:43,520 --> 00:27:47,600
Speaker 1: unfortunately there's other children she have that I believe there's

572
00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:50,040
Speaker 1: one or two if I'm not mistaken, maybe one who

573
00:27:50,280 --> 00:27:53,920
Speaker 1: isn't speaking to her. Currently, but I think, look, I

574
00:27:54,080 --> 00:27:58,440
Speaker 1: think it's brave that any mother decides to get on

575
00:27:58,520 --> 00:28:00,720
Speaker 1: reality television, and I think it's for the kids to

576
00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:05,119
Speaker 1: say yes. And I think there's something complicated about kids

577
00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:08,480
Speaker 1: growing up into reality television, and there's something complicated about

578
00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:12,560
Speaker 1: going through divorce when you have kids. I think sometimes,

579
00:28:12,680 --> 00:28:16,200
Speaker 1: not all the time, Sometimes kids do pick sides and

580
00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:20,639
Speaker 1: it's hard to navigate. And that's why I give Tamra

581
00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:22,840
Speaker 1: all the props in the world for being honest about

582
00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:26,400
Speaker 1: the relationship she's happened with her children and the complexities

583
00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:30,640
Speaker 1: of what that is. Now, with that being said, I'm

584
00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:37,000
Speaker 1: going to transition into Heather de Bro meeting with Katie.

585
00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:44,440
Speaker 1: In this scene, Alexis, Heather Debro confronts Katie about a

586
00:28:44,520 --> 00:28:49,880
Speaker 1: conversation she had with Tamera where there's a radio host

587
00:28:50,040 --> 00:28:52,400
Speaker 1: named ki Ki Monique High Kiki.

588
00:28:53,520 --> 00:28:57,920
Speaker 2: She has a show with Real Housewives of New York

589
00:28:58,400 --> 00:28:59,560
Speaker 2: Legend Derinda.

590
00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:04,080
Speaker 1: I believe it's called Reality Checked. I've been a guest

591
00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:07,480
Speaker 1: on it. Keiki Monique is fantastic. She's not a blogger,

592
00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:10,600
Speaker 1: she's a radio host, and I believe she's a comedian.

593
00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:15,920
Speaker 1: Long story short, Heather confronted Katie and said, Tamar did

594
00:29:16,040 --> 00:29:19,400
Speaker 1: tell me that you met with a blogger named Keikim

595
00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:24,440
Speaker 1: Monique and to give information to her, And Katie looked

596
00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:30,520
Speaker 1: visibly shocked by the accusation and denied it. Do you

597
00:29:30,680 --> 00:29:36,720
Speaker 1: believe Katie was surprised by the accusation because it wasn't true.

598
00:29:38,160 --> 00:29:42,480
Speaker 4: No, I think Katie, once again, well, was dumbfounded it.

599
00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:46,400
Speaker 4: She gottling again, like it's almost like you know, your

600
00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:48,239
Speaker 4: mom tells you not to touch the stove and oh,

601
00:29:48,280 --> 00:29:49,840
Speaker 4: you'll get burnt, and you keep touching it and you

602
00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:53,640
Speaker 4: keep getting burnt. I feel like Katie's like, especially after

603
00:29:53,760 --> 00:29:57,000
Speaker 4: last night, what happened with me. It's I do believe

604
00:29:57,200 --> 00:30:00,280
Speaker 4: she doesn't think she actually says what she she does

605
00:30:00,360 --> 00:30:02,200
Speaker 4: say or did what she will do. I think she

606
00:30:02,360 --> 00:30:05,720
Speaker 4: might actually have an issue that, like some kind of

607
00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:08,320
Speaker 4: issue with going, oh did I do that?

608
00:30:08,440 --> 00:30:10,400
Speaker 3: And then remembering it. But it's too she's already lied

609
00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:11,320
Speaker 3: about it. I don't know.

610
00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:14,160
Speaker 4: Nothing else makes sense to me. I don't understand, but

611
00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:16,000
Speaker 4: I have heard about the peepee thing, and I do.

612
00:30:17,160 --> 00:30:18,920
Speaker 4: I will have to wait and see what happens on

613
00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:22,200
Speaker 4: the couple episodes, but I think you're gonna see too

614
00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:25,720
Speaker 4: a lot more to that situation.

615
00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:30,840
Speaker 1: Alexis Beenlina, are you saying to me that this is

616
00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:33,440
Speaker 1: just the beginning of what I think?

617
00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:35,840
Speaker 3: I don't know. I don't know. I don't get the

618
00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:39,000
Speaker 3: screeners anymore. I don't know. All I feel like is

619
00:30:39,080 --> 00:30:40,120
Speaker 3: they're setting us up.

620
00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:44,120
Speaker 4: They're setting us up to let us think or there's

621
00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:45,560
Speaker 4: something going to be more about the peepe thing er.

622
00:30:45,560 --> 00:30:47,280
Speaker 4: It wouldn't have just gotten brought up, you know. And

623
00:30:47,440 --> 00:30:50,080
Speaker 4: Katie does keep getting caught in the lie. Katie did

624
00:30:50,280 --> 00:30:53,000
Speaker 4: act shocked, But to me, when I was watching that pain,

625
00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:55,240
Speaker 4: I thought she was acting shocked because she was like

626
00:30:56,040 --> 00:30:58,080
Speaker 4: how did this get out? You know, That's more what

627
00:30:58,240 --> 00:31:02,360
Speaker 4: I was reading from the situation. And so we'll see, I,

628
00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:05,200
Speaker 4: you know, kind of kind of let that as a footpanger,

629
00:31:05,320 --> 00:31:07,200
Speaker 4: you know. But I think it's there's there's going to

630
00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:07,480
Speaker 4: be more.

631
00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:09,320
Speaker 3: I hope. I want to get to the bottom of it.

632
00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:11,440
Speaker 4: I just want to know, Like I want to sit

633
00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:13,200
Speaker 4: down with Katie and have her take a light detector test,

634
00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:15,400
Speaker 4: like for like ten minutes and ask her like twenty

635
00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:17,600
Speaker 4: five of the questions would women are thinking she's light about?

636
00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:19,760
Speaker 3: And see what the flight detector tests them do?

637
00:31:19,880 --> 00:31:22,880
Speaker 4: Because I think it probably burned like I think the

638
00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:25,640
Speaker 4: paper would start to like fry, you know, from the thing.

639
00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:30,560
Speaker 3: Don't trace you. I don't understand the lies. I don't

640
00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:34,960
Speaker 3: get it. It's all line one one for a fire

641
00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:36,200
Speaker 3: truck to come put the.

642
00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:41,560
Speaker 2: Liear liear Katie's on fire.

643
00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:48,080
Speaker 1: Okay, look, listen, I'm going to keep watching obviously, Alexis.

644
00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:50,800
Speaker 1: I would love you to come back on because you

645
00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:55,120
Speaker 1: bring to me so much insight and intail about this show.

646
00:31:55,560 --> 00:32:01,120
Speaker 1: And look, it's a gift to have you on recapping

647
00:32:01,240 --> 00:32:05,239
Speaker 1: these episodes with me because I really am fascinated by

648
00:32:05,320 --> 00:32:05,880
Speaker 1: that world.

649
00:32:06,560 --> 00:32:08,480
Speaker 2: And listen, you are the icon that.

650
00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:13,960
Speaker 1: Helped build this franchise into to me, currently the best

651
00:32:14,040 --> 00:32:16,880
Speaker 1: one out there. So I thank you for your services.

652
00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:22,800
Speaker 1: Alexis Blina, Yes, yeah, yeah, yes, all right, So rain

653
00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:25,600
Speaker 1: Drops catches again the next time. But Alexis, but anything

654
00:32:25,680 --> 00:32:29,480
Speaker 1: going on that you want to promote let your fans

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Speaker 1: know about.

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Speaker 2: Although I know how you are planning your wedding and

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Speaker 2: I'm sure you're you're like and you dated with that,

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Speaker 2: I am.

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Speaker 4: I am in deep and I didn't realize I've been

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Speaker 4: so nonchalant about it up until now that we're getting

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Speaker 4: down to wire, and it's like, even with the team

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Speaker 4: I have behind me, I'm like, oh, I'm eating, sleeping, drinking,

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Speaker 4: you know, dreaming, like all wedding stuff.

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Speaker 3: So there's just a lot of facets and things that.

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Speaker 4: You have to that when it comes down the clothes

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Speaker 4: that you have to start narrowing down and getting down.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, exciting, exciting, all right. I love you, Alexive

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Speaker 2: and I'll see you all the next one.

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Speaker 1: Bye. Reality with the King is executive produced by me

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Speaker 1: Carlos King, produced by Lizzie Nimitz, and a partnership with

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Speaker 1: the Lack Effect Network. You can also find us on

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Speaker 1: my YouTube channel at the Carlos King Underscore