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Speaker 1: It's the Son of a Butch podcast comes at you

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Speaker 1: every Wednesday. This week's guest, one of the voices of

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Speaker 1: the PGA Tour one of my favorite people in the game,

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Speaker 1: Steve Sands. I've had the pleasure to meet Steve and

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Speaker 1: get to know him both on the course and off

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Speaker 1: the course, and I just think he does a fantastic

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Speaker 1: job for Golf Channel in NBC, and he spends so

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Speaker 1: much time with the players learning about what they're doing.

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Speaker 1: He's always, you know, messaging me and other coaches and

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Speaker 1: about what he's you know, going to talk about and

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Speaker 1: getting all the information. And I think, you know, that's

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Speaker 1: why he is so popular. I mean, that is why

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Speaker 1: everybody on tour loves the guy, because he does his homework.

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Speaker 1: He wants to make sure the information he's getting right

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Speaker 1: is right. And I can't tell you how happy I

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Speaker 1: am that he decided to come on the pod. We've

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Speaker 1: been trying to get it done for a while and

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Speaker 1: when when I started this a couple of years ago,

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Speaker 1: the idea was to sit down write a list of

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Speaker 1: people that I wanted to have on, and he was

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Speaker 1: definitely at the top of that list. So I'm excited

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Speaker 1: and sit back and enjoy the interview with Steve sand So.

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Speaker 1: My guest is one of the voices of the PGA Tour,

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Speaker 1: Steve sand Sandy, we were talking before we came on

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Speaker 1: in this crazy twenty twenty three PGA Tour Live Battle World.

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Speaker 1: I haven't seen you since walking down the fairway at

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Speaker 1: the Open Championship. And I don't think people realize how

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Speaker 1: I mean, you guys in the TV world are as

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Speaker 1: much a part of the fabric of the PGA Tour

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Speaker 1: as as everyone else. And you know the fact that

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Speaker 1: I've been spending most of my time because all my

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Speaker 1: it's good to see him. Man, it's great to see you. Glad.

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Speaker 1: I'm glad you're doing well. I mean, we've been friends

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty five years and we usually dine or raise

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Speaker 1: a glass, you know, multiple times a year and just

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Speaker 1: see you in the fairway. What's that seven eight months ago?

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Speaker 1: It's crazy something retext and everything. It's funny you brought

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Speaker 1: Bears Club a couple of months ago when Camillo and

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Speaker 1: Maria had their first charity event for Mia everybody understands,

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Speaker 1: of such a tragic thing. They had a big MIA's

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Speaker 1: Miracles event and they asked me to come down. Claude

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Speaker 1: Camillo called and said, hey, would you come down at

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Speaker 1: m see it. As of course, I'm happy to drive

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Speaker 1: And who's the first person I run into was Dustin Johnson.

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Speaker 1: And they're all I mean, Rory's there, Ricky's there, Dustin's there,

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Speaker 1: They're all of the One of the great things about

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Speaker 1: this sport, as you know, Claude, is they support their

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Speaker 1: own and they support whatever charities it is, whatever cause

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Speaker 1: it is. And in this case, everybody knew what happened

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Speaker 1: with Camillo and his wife Maria, and it was just

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Speaker 1: an awful thing. So anyway, I run into Dustin. Johnson's

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Speaker 1: the first guy I see. Now, like you, I was

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Speaker 1: in Dustin and months. You know, I love Dustin. So anyway,

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Speaker 1: I walk up to him and say hello, give each other.

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Speaker 1: You know, a huh he llah blah blah, has a

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Speaker 1: at him, so I gotta tell you, man, of all

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Speaker 1: know what I missed most. He's like, what's that I said,

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Speaker 1: just he's missed Claude, He's missed on the PGA. I'll

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Speaker 1: know if everybody is missed, but he is missed on

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Speaker 1: and stuff. I mean, even when we saw each other

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Speaker 1: at the Open Championship at Saint Andrew's, if you could

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Speaker 1: to the future and this is where we are in

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Speaker 1: mid season started the floor to swing. I mean, it's

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Speaker 1: just the landscape of professional golf really has has changed.

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Speaker 1: But having said that, I don't think Jaynahan and the

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Speaker 1: special is what John Ram is currently doing. I mean,

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Speaker 1: talking to somebody the other day Claude about John and

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Speaker 1: everybody knew he had the promise. Everybody knows he has

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Speaker 1: There's a huge difference in sports, Claude, from being great

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Speaker 1: then he backs it up with another wins, that's an

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Speaker 1: When Dustin Johnson was playing his best, I didn't think

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Speaker 1: But John Rom's the best player in the world right now,

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Speaker 1: I think his attitude when he first came out on

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Speaker 1: And I think that energy that perhaps harnessed him a

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Speaker 1: is when I've got to one or two shot lead,

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Speaker 1: for the greats of the greats Claude. I think he

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Speaker 1: agree with you, he's on a heater. I think Max

427
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Speaker 1: is on his way to greatness. I think he is

428
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Speaker 1: one of these guys who he's gotten in his own

429
00:22:43,000 --> 00:22:46,000
Speaker 1: way a little bit as well above the shoulders, and

430
00:22:46,080 --> 00:22:50,520
Speaker 1: now he's really starting to find himself not only succeeding

431
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Speaker 1: on the PGA Tour, but also knowing how to go

432
00:22:55,000 --> 00:22:57,840
Speaker 1: about his business day and day out, week in week out,

433
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Speaker 1: going against the best players in the world. Wouldn't surprise

434
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Speaker 1: me at all if Max not only one another event

435
00:23:04,920 --> 00:23:08,680
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty three, but also put himself a contention

436
00:23:09,160 --> 00:23:11,440
Speaker 1: and gives himself a chance to win a major championship

437
00:23:11,560 --> 00:23:13,800
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty three. Not only is he a great guy,

438
00:23:14,160 --> 00:23:16,760
Speaker 1: I think he's a great player who happens to be

439
00:23:16,800 --> 00:23:18,680
Speaker 1: on a heater. He doesn't have the resume John Ram

440
00:23:18,760 --> 00:23:21,200
Speaker 1: has just yet. He doesn't have the longevity that John

441
00:23:21,280 --> 00:23:24,240
Speaker 1: Ram has just yet. But I think Max Homa is

442
00:23:24,280 --> 00:23:27,160
Speaker 1: a guy who can win anywhere Claude, and I think

443
00:23:27,160 --> 00:23:29,640
Speaker 1: he's going to prove that in the next few years.

444
00:23:30,359 --> 00:23:32,720
Speaker 1: Knowing him the way you know him, do you think

445
00:23:33,920 --> 00:23:39,600
Speaker 1: going into the four Majors this year? I think sometimes

446
00:23:39,640 --> 00:23:42,440
Speaker 1: Max can put a lot of pressure on himself. The

447
00:23:42,480 --> 00:23:45,679
Speaker 1: pressure comes from within, and I remember going through that

448
00:23:45,880 --> 00:23:49,360
Speaker 1: with Brooks Keepka and you know in twoy nineteen when

449
00:23:49,400 --> 00:23:52,200
Speaker 1: Tiger won. You know Brooks's I mean you talk about

450
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Speaker 1: a heater. I mean he'd won four out of the

451
00:23:54,440 --> 00:23:57,600
Speaker 1: last eight majors he played in and all of a

452
00:23:57,680 --> 00:24:00,520
Speaker 1: sudden he showed up in nineteen. Is a big difference

453
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Speaker 1: between thinking you can win a major, wanting to win

454
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Speaker 1: a major, but then when you're the guy that you

455
00:24:06,800 --> 00:24:09,680
Speaker 1: guys on Golf Channel or beating the drum saying, hey,

456
00:24:09,760 --> 00:24:12,920
Speaker 1: it's his time, he's got the game, he's got a

457
00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:16,880
Speaker 1: step up. How do you think players manage those expectations

458
00:24:17,680 --> 00:24:21,719
Speaker 1: from wanting to win majors and thinking personally that they

459
00:24:21,760 --> 00:24:26,680
Speaker 1: can win them, but then externally when that pressure comes,

460
00:24:26,480 --> 00:24:29,400
Speaker 1: it's even more I think Max is one of those

461
00:24:29,400 --> 00:24:33,080
Speaker 1: guys claude as you alluded to. He can get in

462
00:24:33,119 --> 00:24:36,680
Speaker 1: his own way because he's a bright, thoughtful man, and

463
00:24:36,720 --> 00:24:39,000
Speaker 1: I think that there's a lot to be said for

464
00:24:39,240 --> 00:24:43,720
Speaker 1: having some clarity in professional sports, especially in this sport.

465
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Speaker 1: I will never forget. You could not have been nicer,

466
00:24:47,960 --> 00:24:50,440
Speaker 1: more kind to come on the set with us the

467
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Speaker 1: morning of when Dustin was trying to win the Masters,

468
00:24:54,280 --> 00:24:56,600
Speaker 1: a live from when we were together to Gusta. You

469
00:24:56,680 --> 00:24:59,040
Speaker 1: were very kind to do that, and I remember us

470
00:24:59,160 --> 00:25:04,439
Speaker 1: talking about being ready. Are you ready? Are you ready

471
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Speaker 1: to do it? And you said Dustin was ready. He

472
00:25:08,800 --> 00:25:10,919
Speaker 1: had won the US Open that had been you know,

473
00:25:11,119 --> 00:25:15,000
Speaker 1: years previous, had chances, but hadn't gotten it done since then.

474
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Speaker 1: And I remember asking you about it and you said,

475
00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:21,560
Speaker 1: you know, sometimes an athlete just needs to have the

476
00:25:21,680 --> 00:25:27,119
Speaker 1: understanding that his game is sharp, now just go do it.

477
00:25:27,280 --> 00:25:30,240
Speaker 1: And I think Max is one of those guys who

478
00:25:30,680 --> 00:25:33,560
Speaker 1: almost needed it. And I'm out of sports psychologist, I'm

479
00:25:33,600 --> 00:25:36,400
Speaker 1: not trying to get into his head, but I almost

480
00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:39,200
Speaker 1: feel like Max is the kind of guy who needed

481
00:25:39,240 --> 00:25:42,920
Speaker 1: to prove it to himself before proving it to any

482
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Speaker 1: of us or anybody else in the world. And now

483
00:25:46,440 --> 00:25:51,120
Speaker 1: that he has, I think, like rom he carries confidence

484
00:25:51,320 --> 00:25:53,639
Speaker 1: into a week like this week at bay Hill or

485
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Speaker 1: next week at the Players. I think he carries confidence

486
00:25:56,760 --> 00:25:59,880
Speaker 1: into these big events more so than he ever has

487
00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:03,560
Speaker 1: for because he's proven it to himself that he can

488
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Speaker 1: do it. He took John Ram to the mat at

489
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Speaker 1: Riviera a couple of weeks ago, didn't win, was emotional

490
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Speaker 1: about it, and you know what, I think he was

491
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Speaker 1: emotional about it, Claude, because I think he just realized,

492
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Speaker 1: you know what, John Robb's the best player in the world,

493
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Speaker 1: and I came up just short, you know, a little

494
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Speaker 1: break here and there, and I would have won that

495
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Speaker 1: week at Riviera. And I think Max has the game,

496
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Speaker 1: has the attitude, and also has the confidence to put

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Speaker 1: it all together. Right now, we saw Tiger come back

498
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Speaker 1: at Riviera. What do you think, you know, I it's

499
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Speaker 1: great to see him back. I mean, it's just it's

500
00:26:42,560 --> 00:26:46,720
Speaker 1: awesome to see, you know, players you know who are

501
00:26:46,840 --> 00:26:50,040
Speaker 1: past their prime, who have given us so much joy

502
00:26:50,080 --> 00:26:52,400
Speaker 1: on the golf course, you know, as a sports fan,

503
00:26:53,040 --> 00:26:58,119
Speaker 1: to come back and play. I think there are a

504
00:26:58,119 --> 00:26:59,840
Speaker 1: lot of times where I think boy is good. Is

505
00:26:59,840 --> 00:27:02,560
Speaker 1: good enough. Claude, you know, you know more about golf

506
00:27:02,560 --> 00:27:05,560
Speaker 1: than I do. You've forgotten more about golf than I

507
00:27:05,560 --> 00:27:11,600
Speaker 1: have than I'll ever know. But his good is absolutely

508
00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:14,480
Speaker 1: good enough. I remember talking to some players out there

509
00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:16,560
Speaker 1: who were around him and played with them, and they

510
00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:20,400
Speaker 1: said the same thing. You gotta play seventy two holes, though, Claude,

511
00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:24,440
Speaker 1: you gotta be able to walk seventy two holes sometimes.

512
00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:27,200
Speaker 1: That also means on Wednesday there's a ProAm. Now there's

513
00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:29,560
Speaker 1: no pro ams at majors, so he can do what

514
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Speaker 1: ever he wants leading up to a major, and he

515
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Speaker 1: make it seventy two holes. I think his swing can

516
00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:38,920
Speaker 1: His putting wasn't great a river here, but who the hell?

517
00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:42,080
Speaker 1: Who who puts well? Ribby puts well out there? It's

518
00:27:42,119 --> 00:27:46,440
Speaker 1: just so hard to put on those greens. I absolutely

519
00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:49,840
Speaker 1: think his good is good enough to compete. The question

520
00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:53,359
Speaker 1: is will his body, especially the lower half, especially the leg.

521
00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:55,480
Speaker 1: Will his body? I know his back isn't a one

522
00:27:55,520 --> 00:27:59,600
Speaker 1: hundred percent, let alone his leg. Will his body hold

523
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Speaker 1: up a seventy two holes? It's hard to see that

524
00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:06,520
Speaker 1: right now. I will never ever count him out of

525
00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:09,560
Speaker 1: anything after seeing what he has done in his career,

526
00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:12,359
Speaker 1: and I wish him all the best, and it's great

527
00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:16,400
Speaker 1: to have him back, but it was it was great

528
00:28:16,440 --> 00:28:18,760
Speaker 1: to see him play well, and it was sad to

529
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Speaker 1: see him not play well, and I think that's kind

530
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Speaker 1: of where we are. Can he find, you know, lightning

531
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Speaker 1: in a bottle? Can he find that, Genie it's Tiger

532
00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:30,719
Speaker 1: woods Man. You're never gonna hear him say no. I

533
00:28:30,760 --> 00:28:33,439
Speaker 1: think it's it'd be an arduous task right now to

534
00:28:33,560 --> 00:28:36,960
Speaker 1: see him beat these guys the way they're playing, as

535
00:28:37,040 --> 00:28:39,480
Speaker 1: young and hungry as they are as healthy as they are,

536
00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:42,320
Speaker 1: and Tiger's not one hundred percent. He's never going to

537
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Speaker 1: be one hundred percent. And I also think Claude and

538
00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:47,680
Speaker 1: you could speak to this, I'd like to see I'd

539
00:28:47,720 --> 00:28:49,600
Speaker 1: like to see him play at the Players. I think

540
00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:52,479
Speaker 1: he needs to play one more time before Augusta, because

541
00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:56,400
Speaker 1: you know, you hear these guys talk over the years about,

542
00:28:57,040 --> 00:29:01,360
Speaker 1: you know, being in rhythm and not having rust. It's

543
00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:03,920
Speaker 1: hard to not have rust if you only play at

544
00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:07,040
Speaker 1: the Genesis and the last time you played real, meaningful

545
00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:11,120
Speaker 1: golf was the Open Championship before that on Thursday and Friday.

546
00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:14,360
Speaker 1: So I hope he plays the Players if he's healthy enough.

547
00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:17,560
Speaker 1: I hope he continues to get healthier. I can't see

548
00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:19,560
Speaker 1: him beating the best players in the world the way

549
00:29:19,560 --> 00:29:22,800
Speaker 1: it stands right now, Claude, but man, don't ever put

550
00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:24,920
Speaker 1: anything past that guy. It was it was awesome to

551
00:29:24,920 --> 00:29:29,080
Speaker 1: watch him play the take the live thing out of

552
00:29:29,080 --> 00:29:32,680
Speaker 1: the equation. If we can do that, does the game?

553
00:29:33,560 --> 00:29:37,320
Speaker 1: Does the game still need Tiger to be who he

554
00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:42,560
Speaker 1: is because like sometimes feel like we rely so much

555
00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:46,840
Speaker 1: on him, We want so much from him, and obviously

556
00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:48,640
Speaker 1: he's not the player that he used to be. I mean,

557
00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:51,239
Speaker 1: I agree, I think on the right golf course, on

558
00:29:51,280 --> 00:29:53,960
Speaker 1: the right situation, I think he could win again. I

559
00:29:54,040 --> 00:29:56,200
Speaker 1: was listening to Hank Cani's podcast the other day. Hank,

560
00:29:56,440 --> 00:29:58,560
Speaker 1: I mean, Hank can sometimes to be a little critical

561
00:29:58,600 --> 00:30:00,840
Speaker 1: of teed up, but he was like, yeah, I think

562
00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:03,800
Speaker 1: on the right golf course he can win again. He thinks,

563
00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:05,760
Speaker 1: you know, out of all the places he thinks he

564
00:30:05,800 --> 00:30:09,120
Speaker 1: could win again, it would be the Open Championship. I

565
00:30:09,160 --> 00:30:13,240
Speaker 1: think the best golf course for Tiger to win again

566
00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:15,520
Speaker 1: is Augusta. But I just don't know if his body

567
00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:19,440
Speaker 1: will allow that. But does in twenty twenty three, do

568
00:30:19,480 --> 00:30:22,719
Speaker 1: we still need him? It almost feels like the sport

569
00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:29,880
Speaker 1: can't move forward because we keep looking backwards of what

570
00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:34,000
Speaker 1: Tiger once was. Claude, there's a cruelty to this sport

571
00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:39,040
Speaker 1: that not only applies to the players. It applies to

572
00:30:39,320 --> 00:30:43,160
Speaker 1: the fans. And we're fans now you teach a broadcast,

573
00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:46,800
Speaker 1: but we're fans of the sport. In every other sport,

574
00:30:47,480 --> 00:30:50,280
Speaker 1: they show you the door. There's a general manager, or

575
00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:53,760
Speaker 1: a coach, an owner of a team. They show you

576
00:30:53,800 --> 00:30:58,160
Speaker 1: the door. In tennis, at some point, your body just

577
00:30:58,320 --> 00:31:00,920
Speaker 1: gives out a little bit. I mean, Roger came close

578
00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:04,320
Speaker 1: to winning Wimbledon a few years ago in that incredible

579
00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:08,160
Speaker 1: match with Nadal, couldn't finish never one again. You could

580
00:31:08,280 --> 00:31:10,600
Speaker 1: clearly tell that he was never going to get past

581
00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:12,800
Speaker 1: the quarters of the semis again, because these guys are

582
00:31:12,840 --> 00:31:15,840
Speaker 1: just too good, not just Nadal and Djokovic, but the

583
00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:19,520
Speaker 1: other young players. Golf's the same way. They don't show

584
00:31:19,520 --> 00:31:22,840
Speaker 1: you the door in golf. So the cruelty of it

585
00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:26,200
Speaker 1: is that you get to play forever. You don't think

586
00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:28,000
Speaker 1: Aikman would have loved to have suited it up one

587
00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:30,880
Speaker 1: more time. Jimmy Johnson and Joe Brand and Jerry Jones

588
00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:33,160
Speaker 1: said that's it. You're done, you can't play anymore. You

589
00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:34,960
Speaker 1: know what do you think? You know? It's that's the

590
00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:36,800
Speaker 1: way it works in those sports and golf. It's not

591
00:31:36,840 --> 00:31:38,680
Speaker 1: like that. I was thinking about this the other day,

592
00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:41,200
Speaker 1: and I'm not picking on them. They're all time greats.

593
00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:43,360
Speaker 1: But the last time you saw Ernie Else and VJ

594
00:31:43,560 --> 00:31:47,520
Speaker 1: Sing on television, they still play like golf play forever

595
00:31:48,840 --> 00:31:51,600
Speaker 1: Champs Tour. So occasionally they'll come out on the PGA

596
00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:53,720
Speaker 1: Tour and you're like, wow, it's so great to see him.

597
00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:57,680
Speaker 1: I love it. They're all time greats. So Tiger is

598
00:31:57,720 --> 00:32:00,560
Speaker 1: going to pick and choose when he plays. He played

599
00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:02,880
Speaker 1: the Genesis. I'm glad he did. It's his own event

600
00:32:03,040 --> 00:32:05,280
Speaker 1: for this foundation. I think he's going to play the

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00:32:05,320 --> 00:32:06,959
Speaker 1: players as long as he's healthy enough, and we're going

602
00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:09,320
Speaker 1: to see him at Agusta, no question, unless there's a

603
00:32:09,320 --> 00:32:13,560
Speaker 1: health issue. And the cruelty of that claude is that

604
00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:18,000
Speaker 1: it allows you the opportunity to perhaps get it done.

605
00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:23,400
Speaker 1: But the cruelty of that is also that the chances

606
00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:26,920
Speaker 1: are so slim, and also the chances are likely that

607
00:32:27,040 --> 00:32:30,840
Speaker 1: they're not gonna look the same way, not just walking

608
00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:33,800
Speaker 1: and limping and not being one hundred percent body wise.

609
00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:36,960
Speaker 1: But your game isn't as great as it was, and

610
00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:40,120
Speaker 1: it's a it's a weird deal in this sport compared

611
00:32:40,160 --> 00:32:44,160
Speaker 1: to the others. Do I think the sport needs him? No.

612
00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:49,000
Speaker 1: I think it's a shot in the arm for fans

613
00:32:49,480 --> 00:32:53,760
Speaker 1: and TV and podcasts and radio and the tour and

614
00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:56,640
Speaker 1: the majors to have him out there. There's no debate

615
00:32:56,680 --> 00:32:59,960
Speaker 1: about that. But I don't think the sport needs him anymore.

616
00:33:00,440 --> 00:33:02,120
Speaker 1: Think about it. With there are very few people who

617
00:33:02,120 --> 00:33:06,360
Speaker 1: are in that stratosphere. Wayne Gretzky retired, the NHL is

618
00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:09,200
Speaker 1: doing just fine. Michael Jordan. Everybody thought the NBA's gonna

619
00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:13,280
Speaker 1: tank after Michael Jordan. Well, Kobe comes around, Lebron comes around,

620
00:33:13,320 --> 00:33:16,920
Speaker 1: Greatness comes around, and that the attention moves forward, and

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Speaker 1: then you get to see Michael. Every once in a

622
00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:19,640
Speaker 1: while you're like, hey, I look at that. There's Michael

623
00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:24,840
Speaker 1: Jordan and Tiger still playing. Every once in a while, sure,

624
00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:28,920
Speaker 1: it kind of dangles in front of the fans and says, oh,

625
00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:31,920
Speaker 1: here we are. Oh this is so great. But the

626
00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:35,200
Speaker 1: sport is just fine without him. Look Bay Hill, this week,

627
00:33:35,360 --> 00:33:37,520
Speaker 1: forty four of the top fifty in the world, they're here.

628
00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:41,040
Speaker 1: Tiger won this event one hundred times. He made this

629
00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:43,800
Speaker 1: place rock and roll. But it's going to rock and

630
00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:47,840
Speaker 1: roll this week with those great players because of the

631
00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:50,360
Speaker 1: work he put in and how great it was. And

632
00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:53,040
Speaker 1: all the fans in Central Florida or whoever else come

633
00:33:53,120 --> 00:33:56,200
Speaker 1: here this week. They came here at one point and

634
00:33:56,320 --> 00:33:58,840
Speaker 1: saw what Tiger did, and they fell in love with

635
00:33:58,920 --> 00:34:01,600
Speaker 1: either of the game or the way he played, or

636
00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:04,720
Speaker 1: a combination of the two. And also the atmosphere that's

637
00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:08,719
Speaker 1: around professional golf. So does the sport need him? No?

638
00:34:09,040 --> 00:34:11,520
Speaker 1: Does the sport want him? Absolutely No, one's going to

639
00:34:11,560 --> 00:34:14,880
Speaker 1: turn him down. But you know, I think the sport

640
00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:17,680
Speaker 1: has moved past the fact that it's either Tigers in

641
00:34:17,719 --> 00:34:20,920
Speaker 1: the field or he's not. I don't think the sport

642
00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:23,440
Speaker 1: is the same way that it was a you know, eight, nine,

643
00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:26,040
Speaker 1: ten years ago, when that truly was something. You and

644
00:34:26,080 --> 00:34:29,200
Speaker 1: I been a million of these events. When Tiger was

645
00:34:29,239 --> 00:34:32,120
Speaker 1: in the field, there was a different field and that's

646
00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:34,200
Speaker 1: the way it is now, Claude. But it's it's not

647
00:34:34,280 --> 00:34:36,640
Speaker 1: as often as it was, So I think it's okay

648
00:34:36,680 --> 00:34:43,279
Speaker 1: for the sport. Do you think the fans need to

649
00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:46,360
Speaker 1: come to terms with you know, the twenty nineteen Masters

650
00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:50,480
Speaker 1: was the eighty six Masters for Jack Nicholas. That was

651
00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:54,279
Speaker 1: it was to come back. It was the you know

652
00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:57,399
Speaker 1: what everybody never thought they'd see. I mean we were there.

653
00:34:57,520 --> 00:34:59,520
Speaker 1: I mean I never thought I'd see Tiger win again.

654
00:34:59,560 --> 00:35:01,719
Speaker 1: I never thought i'd see him sure as hell, never

655
00:35:01,719 --> 00:35:04,120
Speaker 1: thought i'd see him win a major again. But I mean,

656
00:35:04,280 --> 00:35:08,920
Speaker 1: is that do you think that will be what is

657
00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:13,319
Speaker 1: the defining moment for him at the end? Yes? I do.

658
00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:17,080
Speaker 1: I think that the chances are are better that he

659
00:35:17,280 --> 00:35:20,480
Speaker 1: never wins another major again than the fact that I

660
00:35:20,520 --> 00:35:23,040
Speaker 1: think he could win one. Heck, he could win one

661
00:35:23,040 --> 00:35:26,080
Speaker 1: at Royal Liverpool, he could win at Augusta. I'm just

662
00:35:26,200 --> 00:35:28,480
Speaker 1: not sure his body's going to allow. But by no

663
00:35:28,560 --> 00:35:30,399
Speaker 1: means am I saying that he can't. I definitely think

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Speaker 1: he could possibly win it. By the way, you and

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Speaker 1: I watched a lot of that together in twenty nineteen,

666
00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:38,920
Speaker 1: I'll never forget that memory as well. And you know,

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Speaker 1: was that his Jack moment? Sure seems like it. Can

668
00:35:42,560 --> 00:35:45,520
Speaker 1: you believe that was four years ago? I you know,

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Speaker 1: just think of what's transpired in everyone's life, but let

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00:35:48,120 --> 00:35:52,800
Speaker 1: alone his in four years I think that, Yes, it

671
00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:57,279
Speaker 1: certainly seems like that's his Jack Nicholas moment forty six

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Speaker 1: and eighty six Tiger in twenty nineteen, coming out of

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00:36:00,560 --> 00:36:04,040
Speaker 1: nowhere to do it, just hanging around, hanging around, let

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00:36:04,120 --> 00:36:08,440
Speaker 1: everybody else gotta just fold around him, and the seas

675
00:36:08,560 --> 00:36:10,600
Speaker 1: parted for him and he went right through it. It

676
00:36:10,680 --> 00:36:13,760
Speaker 1: was the same it was. People don't realize the same

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00:36:13,800 --> 00:36:17,920
Speaker 1: thing happened when Nicholas won. I mean, Sevy had a

678
00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:20,920
Speaker 1: chance down the stretch, Jay Hoss had a chance down

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00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:24,359
Speaker 1: the strat. Obviously everybody remembers Norman, but Tom Kite had

680
00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:26,200
Speaker 1: a chance. I mean, there were so many and they

681
00:36:26,239 --> 00:36:29,600
Speaker 1: all folded the exact same way they did for Jack.

682
00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:32,759
Speaker 1: And I think that to me, that is and my

683
00:36:32,840 --> 00:36:36,120
Speaker 1: Dad's always said this as well, Sandy, that the closest

684
00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:42,040
Speaker 1: comparison that Tiger and Jack chair is that everybody tend

685
00:36:42,120 --> 00:36:44,640
Speaker 1: to throw up all over themselves trying to beat him,

686
00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:47,839
Speaker 1: and he just kind of just hung around and just

687
00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:50,160
Speaker 1: shot one under on Sunday and just kind of went

688
00:36:50,360 --> 00:36:52,480
Speaker 1: It's a lot like what you said about John rom

689
00:36:52,520 --> 00:36:54,839
Speaker 1: When his name's on the leaderboard, everybody knows it. Now

690
00:36:54,880 --> 00:36:57,319
Speaker 1: now he's not nearly at the level of Tiger and

691
00:36:57,400 --> 00:36:59,400
Speaker 1: Jack or everybody quakes in their boats and that's the

692
00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:02,759
Speaker 1: end of it. But Tiger certainly earned that, and before that,

693
00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:05,600
Speaker 1: Jack certainly earned that. And you know what's interesting about

694
00:37:05,640 --> 00:37:09,160
Speaker 1: that is the young guys today, and you know this club,

695
00:37:09,320 --> 00:37:12,480
Speaker 1: the young guys today, forget if it's liver or PGA Tour.

696
00:37:12,719 --> 00:37:15,920
Speaker 1: The last five six years, they've all want become friendly

697
00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:20,120
Speaker 1: with Tiger because Tiger has allowed them into his life.

698
00:37:20,280 --> 00:37:24,040
Speaker 1: When he was destroying Phil and Ernie and David and

699
00:37:24,200 --> 00:37:27,600
Speaker 1: VJ and Retief and those guys you know, get out

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00:37:27,600 --> 00:37:30,120
Speaker 1: of here. You don't even know. I'll tell you two

701
00:37:30,200 --> 00:37:32,759
Speaker 1: quick stories about that. Tony Finel was playing in the

702
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Speaker 1: final round with Tiger and Francesco Molinari in twenty nineteen.

703
00:37:37,760 --> 00:37:40,960
Speaker 1: Remember it was threesomes off because of the early tea

704
00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:42,759
Speaker 1: time because the bad weather was supposed to come in,

705
00:37:42,760 --> 00:37:44,839
Speaker 1: which by the way, never came in, but they had

706
00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:47,120
Speaker 1: to push up thet times because of the weather forecast.

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00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:50,759
Speaker 1: I said to Tony a few weeks later, what was

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00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:55,600
Speaker 1: that experience like, final round at Augusta with Tiger? And

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00:37:55,760 --> 00:37:58,839
Speaker 1: Tony laughed. He goes, Tony, by the way, if you've

710
00:37:58,840 --> 00:38:02,120
Speaker 1: seen full swing yet? Yeah, yeah, it's great. I mean,

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00:38:02,160 --> 00:38:04,160
Speaker 1: Tony's the nicest guy in the planet and we already

712
00:38:04,200 --> 00:38:06,359
Speaker 1: knew that anyway, but now the world gets to know that,

713
00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:08,480
Speaker 1: which I think is great. So I said Tony, what

714
00:38:08,520 --> 00:38:11,040
Speaker 1: was that experience like? And he said, after we hit

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Speaker 1: our t shots on one, I'm walking down the hill

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00:38:14,040 --> 00:38:17,520
Speaker 1: before going back up. And I looked at Type's final

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00:38:17,600 --> 00:38:20,720
Speaker 1: round of Augusta on Sunday, going down the hill before

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00:38:20,840 --> 00:38:22,719
Speaker 1: going back up the hill at number one to hit

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Speaker 1: their second shots in the fairway, and I said right,

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Speaker 1: and Tony looked at me with a huge smile on

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00:38:27,120 --> 00:38:29,040
Speaker 1: his face and he goes. I looked at Tiger and

722
00:38:29,080 --> 00:38:33,759
Speaker 1: I said, how the kids, And Tiger looked at me

723
00:38:34,160 --> 00:38:37,880
Speaker 1: and said good and then walked fast all the way

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00:38:38,280 --> 00:38:41,560
Speaker 1: and said and Tony realized it was on. We go

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00:38:41,560 --> 00:38:45,520
Speaker 1: back to Sevy in eighty six. Padrick Harrington once told

726
00:38:45,520 --> 00:38:48,080
Speaker 1: me he's one of the most thoughtful players in the

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00:38:48,120 --> 00:38:49,560
Speaker 1: last couple of decades. He's going to be in the

728
00:38:49,600 --> 00:38:52,040
Speaker 1: World Half Hall of Fame, three time major champion and

729
00:38:52,280 --> 00:38:56,799
Speaker 1: an absolutely fabulous guy. Padrick Harrington once told me the

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Speaker 1: Masters is the hardest Major championship to win. I said, really.

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00:39:00,920 --> 00:39:03,319
Speaker 1: I said, it's played at the same place you get

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00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:07,240
Speaker 1: used to the golf course, short field, no rough, small's field,

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Speaker 1: and basically twenty five people can win it unless there's

734
00:39:09,760 --> 00:39:12,879
Speaker 1: a real strange anomaly. But only twenty five of those

735
00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:15,840
Speaker 1: ninety or so guys have the chops to get it done.

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Speaker 1: And he said, because it's played now, this is Padrecks.

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00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:25,120
Speaker 1: Because it's played at the same venue, you remember the

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00:39:25,200 --> 00:39:28,960
Speaker 1: ghosts just as much as you remember the greatness. I said, really,

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00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:30,799
Speaker 1: what do you mean? He goes. When I was growing up,

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Speaker 1: Sevy was my guy. So the whole world is watching

741
00:39:34,719 --> 00:39:37,840
Speaker 1: the eighty six Masters. Sevey had already won it twice.

742
00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:41,760
Speaker 1: He'd already been a five time major champion, a World

743
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Speaker 1: Golf Hall of Fame inductee, without ever having to hit

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00:39:45,160 --> 00:39:47,040
Speaker 1: another golf shot in his life. He was going to

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00:39:47,120 --> 00:39:49,080
Speaker 1: moonwalk into the Hall of Fame. And here he is

746
00:39:49,080 --> 00:39:50,840
Speaker 1: at the top of the hill at fifteen hitting his

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00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:54,719
Speaker 1: second shot. Jack Nichols is way behind him. Sevey's gonna

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Speaker 1: win another Masters. Scott he had that. He had that

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00:39:57,560 --> 00:40:00,600
Speaker 1: the double Nike logo on the visor. It was Nike

750
00:40:00,960 --> 00:40:04,359
Speaker 1: on the bottom, Nike on the top. That's exactly right.

751
00:40:04,640 --> 00:40:08,279
Speaker 1: And he smotherhooked his second shot at fifteen, went into

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00:40:08,280 --> 00:40:10,400
Speaker 1: the drink and that was the end of Sev And

753
00:40:10,440 --> 00:40:13,200
Speaker 1: I was like, I go, padrig that's what you remember

754
00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:16,160
Speaker 1: about the eighty six Masters, he goes. Sevy was my guy.

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00:40:16,280 --> 00:40:19,440
Speaker 1: So every time I stand in a practice round in

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00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:24,120
Speaker 1: any time a year, or Thursday through Sunday at Augusta,

757
00:40:24,160 --> 00:40:26,760
Speaker 1: on the top of the hill at fifteen, that's all

758
00:40:26,880 --> 00:40:30,680
Speaker 1: I think about. That's why the Masters is so hard

759
00:40:30,719 --> 00:40:34,800
Speaker 1: to win. There are ghosts at Augusta. There is less

760
00:40:34,880 --> 00:40:38,839
Speaker 1: oxygen at Augusta than anywhere else on the planet. And

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00:40:38,960 --> 00:40:42,960
Speaker 1: that's why Tiger, if his body holds up, we'll always

762
00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:45,480
Speaker 1: have a chance to win their Remember Freddie was a

763
00:40:45,560 --> 00:40:48,000
Speaker 1: leader there in his mid fifties. Bernard Langer in his

764
00:40:48,040 --> 00:40:50,799
Speaker 1: mid fifties was a leader. Heck, Ben Crenshaw was like

765
00:40:50,840 --> 00:40:53,560
Speaker 1: a hundred and he was one of the early leaders

766
00:40:53,600 --> 00:40:56,080
Speaker 1: on the first day. And I love that. I'm just kidding,

767
00:40:56,200 --> 00:40:59,560
Speaker 1: But you can win there if you know the place.

768
00:41:00,120 --> 00:41:03,480
Speaker 1: Nobody in today's game knows it better than Tiger. Not

769
00:41:03,520 --> 00:41:06,040
Speaker 1: where to hit it, where not to hit to hit.

770
00:41:06,440 --> 00:41:10,000
Speaker 1: That's the key to what Tiger could be doing in

771
00:41:10,040 --> 00:41:12,120
Speaker 1: April at the Masters. If he makes a run at six,

772
00:41:12,160 --> 00:41:15,799
Speaker 1: can you imagine the sports world? Oh, if he makes

773
00:41:15,800 --> 00:41:20,200
Speaker 1: a run at it, that would be outrageous. Rory McElroy Sandy, Um,

774
00:41:21,560 --> 00:41:24,600
Speaker 1: I know you probably feel the same. I have no

775
00:41:24,680 --> 00:41:27,120
Speaker 1: idea how that kid played as good as he played

776
00:41:27,200 --> 00:41:32,960
Speaker 1: last year with the weight of basically Jay wanting him

777
00:41:33,040 --> 00:41:36,880
Speaker 1: to carry the the PGA Tour and Rory wanting to

778
00:41:36,920 --> 00:41:39,240
Speaker 1: do that as well. I mean, he played a practice

779
00:41:39,239 --> 00:41:43,720
Speaker 1: time with DJ Tuesday. We played like I think maybe

780
00:41:44,320 --> 00:41:47,239
Speaker 1: five six seven holes, and you could see that he

781
00:41:47,320 --> 00:41:51,320
Speaker 1: was visibly he was carrying the weight of the world

782
00:41:51,360 --> 00:41:55,359
Speaker 1: on his shoulders. And he is now the de facto

783
00:41:55,880 --> 00:41:58,239
Speaker 1: he is the PJA tour right now. I mean we haven't.

784
00:41:58,239 --> 00:42:00,319
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know anybody that's seen. I mean,

785
00:42:00,400 --> 00:42:03,239
Speaker 1: is whence the last time anybody saw jam on hand?

786
00:42:03,280 --> 00:42:06,799
Speaker 1: I mean, Rory is the PGA tour right now. They

787
00:42:06,880 --> 00:42:10,320
Speaker 1: want him to be the PGA Tour and he seemingly

788
00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:15,480
Speaker 1: wants that role too. Canny keep doing it and will

789
00:42:15,520 --> 00:42:20,560
Speaker 1: it affect his play the more that he is the

790
00:42:20,600 --> 00:42:25,040
Speaker 1: face of the PGA tour. It's a great question. I

791
00:42:25,440 --> 00:42:27,520
Speaker 1: think some of that has calmed down a little bit.

792
00:42:27,560 --> 00:42:29,480
Speaker 1: I think when they were in the throes of it

793
00:42:30,280 --> 00:42:33,440
Speaker 1: last year in twenty twenty two, you know, Rory took

794
00:42:33,480 --> 00:42:36,280
Speaker 1: the mantle by the way, volunteered for it. He was asked,

795
00:42:36,440 --> 00:42:39,120
Speaker 1: but he also volunteered for it. You know, Rory isn't

796
00:42:39,160 --> 00:42:42,520
Speaker 1: afraid to give his opinion. Rory is a very bright

797
00:42:42,560 --> 00:42:48,280
Speaker 1: young man, is very centered and understands and is very thoughtful.

798
00:42:48,800 --> 00:42:51,879
Speaker 1: When he gives an opinion, there's thought behind it. He's

799
00:42:51,880 --> 00:42:54,279
Speaker 1: not just throwing something on the wall to see if

800
00:42:54,280 --> 00:42:59,400
Speaker 1: it sticks. I'm continually amazed at how great he is

801
00:42:59,760 --> 00:43:01,759
Speaker 1: on and off the golf. Of course, I've said this

802
00:43:01,800 --> 00:43:04,160
Speaker 1: for years on and off the air. There's not a

803
00:43:04,160 --> 00:43:07,319
Speaker 1: better combination on and off the golf course than Rory

804
00:43:07,400 --> 00:43:09,840
Speaker 1: McElroy right now in the world of golf. He is.

805
00:43:10,560 --> 00:43:13,200
Speaker 1: He has taken this one to heart. You know, you

806
00:43:13,239 --> 00:43:15,040
Speaker 1: can like it or dislike it. You can agree with

807
00:43:15,080 --> 00:43:17,440
Speaker 1: him or disagree with him, but this is something that

808
00:43:17,440 --> 00:43:20,600
Speaker 1: he is very passionate about and he has kind of

809
00:43:20,640 --> 00:43:23,800
Speaker 1: taken it on his own and his golf hasn't suffered.

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00:43:23,920 --> 00:43:26,800
Speaker 1: It's amazing, Claude. I mean, you know, you're around these guys,

811
00:43:27,080 --> 00:43:30,080
Speaker 1: you know, as much, if not more than I am.

812
00:43:30,120 --> 00:43:32,480
Speaker 1: You know, if they don't have that clarity we talked

813
00:43:32,480 --> 00:43:37,040
Speaker 1: about earlier, it's hard to succeed. And you know, I

814
00:43:37,360 --> 00:43:41,160
Speaker 1: think that Rory, Rory needs to win the Masters. You know,

815
00:43:41,239 --> 00:43:44,040
Speaker 1: he's one He's a Master's away from becoming the sixth

816
00:43:44,040 --> 00:43:45,840
Speaker 1: man in the history of the sport to win their

817
00:43:45,880 --> 00:43:48,680
Speaker 1: career Grand Slam. I have no idea. I can't stand

818
00:43:48,719 --> 00:43:50,480
Speaker 1: when someone says, oh, I'd have these one one, he's

819
00:43:50,480 --> 00:43:52,719
Speaker 1: gonna win five. I can't stand that. I have no

820
00:43:52,800 --> 00:43:55,239
Speaker 1: idea if he wins the Masters in April, if he's

821
00:43:55,239 --> 00:43:57,840
Speaker 1: ever gonna win again, or he's gonna go win a

822
00:43:57,960 --> 00:44:02,000
Speaker 1: hundred of him, I don't know. But Rory is one

823
00:44:02,040 --> 00:44:08,960
Speaker 1: of those guys who he can compartmentalize. He has a

824
00:44:09,080 --> 00:44:12,760
Speaker 1: young family at home, He has his parents always around.

825
00:44:14,120 --> 00:44:17,200
Speaker 1: Rose and Jerry are so great to be around, his

826
00:44:17,239 --> 00:44:20,800
Speaker 1: wife Erica, their daughter Poppy. They're probably gonna grow that family,

827
00:44:20,840 --> 00:44:24,480
Speaker 1: I would assume. And he's played great all the while,

828
00:44:24,600 --> 00:44:28,160
Speaker 1: going to board meetings and zoom calls and Live this

829
00:44:28,280 --> 00:44:31,480
Speaker 1: and PGA tour of that, and it's it's been amazing.

830
00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:34,560
Speaker 1: It's been fun to watch. It's been fun to see him.

831
00:44:34,600 --> 00:44:35,840
Speaker 1: I don't mean to sound like an old man, but

832
00:44:35,880 --> 00:44:39,200
Speaker 1: it's been fun to see him mature from a smart

833
00:44:39,320 --> 00:44:42,920
Speaker 1: young kid and a great player and a prodigy to

834
00:44:43,080 --> 00:44:47,600
Speaker 1: fulfilling that promise as a player Claude, but also maturing

835
00:44:47,640 --> 00:44:50,640
Speaker 1: as an individual to the point now where you talk

836
00:44:50,680 --> 00:44:52,480
Speaker 1: about like Max Hoomo, you can just sit and talk

837
00:44:52,480 --> 00:44:55,279
Speaker 1: to anybody, talk to him about anything. You could sit

838
00:44:55,320 --> 00:44:58,319
Speaker 1: and talk to Rory McElroy about anything, and it's just

839
00:44:58,880 --> 00:45:01,560
Speaker 1: he's just wonderful to be around. He's a credit to

840
00:45:01,600 --> 00:45:04,600
Speaker 1: the game. It's a big credit to Jerry and Rose

841
00:45:05,160 --> 00:45:07,800
Speaker 1: who raised a fine young man and also a great

842
00:45:07,920 --> 00:45:14,040
Speaker 1: great golfer. And I am amazed the ability he has

843
00:45:14,400 --> 00:45:16,640
Speaker 1: to compartmentalize. I will say I'll close out on this.

844
00:45:17,160 --> 00:45:20,960
Speaker 1: During COVID, he was the first guy I heard say

845
00:45:21,719 --> 00:45:24,280
Speaker 1: I can't play in front of no fans. The silence

846
00:45:24,400 --> 00:45:27,800
Speaker 1: is really weird to me. It's very strange. It's bizarre.

847
00:45:27,960 --> 00:45:31,239
Speaker 1: I can't get used to it. I don't feel not

848
00:45:31,280 --> 00:45:33,520
Speaker 1: only do I not hear and feel the energy, but

849
00:45:33,600 --> 00:45:38,200
Speaker 1: I feel like my energy is lowered because there's nobody around.

850
00:45:38,640 --> 00:45:42,480
Speaker 1: I feel like live in a very different way. Claude,

851
00:45:42,600 --> 00:45:47,640
Speaker 1: I'd eat live, and the choices he made last year

852
00:45:48,440 --> 00:45:53,360
Speaker 1: publicly and privately as it pertains to Live motivated him

853
00:45:53,400 --> 00:45:55,239
Speaker 1: to be a great player, and I think you are

854
00:45:55,360 --> 00:46:00,279
Speaker 1: seeing a motivated player along with someone who's thought full

855
00:46:00,400 --> 00:46:02,719
Speaker 1: and has an understanding of where he feels like the

856
00:46:02,760 --> 00:46:05,759
Speaker 1: game needs to be at the highest level. I think

857
00:46:05,800 --> 00:46:10,000
Speaker 1: the only thing that I think is negative is if

858
00:46:10,040 --> 00:46:14,000
Speaker 1: he gets the lead at any major, but specifically if

859
00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:18,440
Speaker 1: he's taking any sort of lead one shot, two shot. However,

860
00:46:19,400 --> 00:46:23,520
Speaker 1: the pressure for him to win this for the PGA

861
00:46:23,600 --> 00:46:28,080
Speaker 1: tour becomes something that nobody has ever in our sport

862
00:46:28,120 --> 00:46:30,200
Speaker 1: had to deal with, and nor should they have to

863
00:46:30,200 --> 00:46:32,480
Speaker 1: deal with. I mean, that is just do you think

864
00:46:32,520 --> 00:46:34,239
Speaker 1: that's what we saws andrews or do you think he

865
00:46:34,280 --> 00:46:37,080
Speaker 1: got beat by Camsman. I think he got beat, But

866
00:46:37,440 --> 00:46:40,440
Speaker 1: I mean he came out a little bit flat. I

867
00:46:40,480 --> 00:46:43,200
Speaker 1: mean I thought, I mean, we were both there and

868
00:46:43,600 --> 00:46:46,879
Speaker 1: I'm thinking there is nobody that wins today other than him,

869
00:46:47,239 --> 00:46:49,719
Speaker 1: and I just I mean I was, especially after the

870
00:46:49,760 --> 00:46:52,480
Speaker 1: way played on Saturday and all of the things that

871
00:46:52,560 --> 00:46:54,800
Speaker 1: he did and the way that he did it, and

872
00:46:55,640 --> 00:46:59,759
Speaker 1: going into Sunday, DJ was a couple probably maybe two three,

873
00:46:59,719 --> 00:47:01,880
Speaker 1: grew maybe four groups ahead. So we were kind of

874
00:47:01,920 --> 00:47:04,719
Speaker 1: him in that same kind of wave. We were on

875
00:47:04,760 --> 00:47:07,040
Speaker 1: the we're on the practice range together, and you could

876
00:47:07,080 --> 00:47:12,279
Speaker 1: just tell that you know these guys when when when

877
00:47:12,320 --> 00:47:15,279
Speaker 1: they when there's something different about them, because we see

878
00:47:15,320 --> 00:47:17,560
Speaker 1: them all the time. You sense it, you can smell it,

879
00:47:17,680 --> 00:47:19,839
Speaker 1: you can feel it, you can taste it, and you

880
00:47:19,880 --> 00:47:23,799
Speaker 1: could see that he was in a very different his

881
00:47:23,840 --> 00:47:26,520
Speaker 1: body language. I thought, I've seen him play a ton

882
00:47:26,600 --> 00:47:29,960
Speaker 1: of I've watched him hit a million golf balls. He

883
00:47:30,000 --> 00:47:34,640
Speaker 1: was different that day, and um, you know, and he

884
00:47:34,719 --> 00:47:37,799
Speaker 1: was different that day than he was the day before. Um,

885
00:47:38,040 --> 00:47:40,359
Speaker 1: you know, very similar. My dad always says about Greg

886
00:47:40,400 --> 00:47:44,480
Speaker 1: Norman when Greg had the epic meltdown at Augusta. Um,

887
00:47:44,719 --> 00:47:47,040
Speaker 1: he was a different person on Sunday than he was

888
00:47:47,280 --> 00:47:49,719
Speaker 1: when he left the golf course Saturday night. And I

889
00:47:49,800 --> 00:47:52,040
Speaker 1: noticed a difference in Rory, and I was surprised that

890
00:47:52,160 --> 00:47:53,960
Speaker 1: he didn't come out of the gate because I just

891
00:47:54,000 --> 00:47:56,920
Speaker 1: figured that's all we'd hear. We'd just hear him Bertie

892
00:47:56,960 --> 00:48:00,000
Speaker 1: the first, We'd hear him Bertie the second, Bertie the third,

893
00:48:00,000 --> 00:48:02,400
Speaker 1: and then just the world would have ended. I mean,

894
00:48:02,440 --> 00:48:04,839
Speaker 1: there'd have been more people there than you could shake

895
00:48:04,880 --> 00:48:07,279
Speaker 1: a stick out. I think there's a few things there.

896
00:48:07,360 --> 00:48:10,920
Speaker 1: I totally agree with you. I can't imagine the pressure

897
00:48:12,000 --> 00:48:14,600
Speaker 1: of being the favorite. I can't imagine the pressure not

898
00:48:14,640 --> 00:48:17,600
Speaker 1: only have being the favorite clout, but being the people's choice.

899
00:48:18,000 --> 00:48:22,680
Speaker 1: He's the favorite gambling wise and personality wise. He's who

900
00:48:22,800 --> 00:48:26,080
Speaker 1: everybody in the world was rooting for at Saint Andrew's.

901
00:48:26,600 --> 00:48:29,440
Speaker 1: That place means more to golf than anywhere outside of

902
00:48:29,480 --> 00:48:32,000
Speaker 1: Augusta National. And he was going to win an Open

903
00:48:32,080 --> 00:48:35,319
Speaker 1: championship there and all great players know they only get

904
00:48:35,360 --> 00:48:38,239
Speaker 1: two or three chances at it in their prime at

905
00:48:38,280 --> 00:48:40,480
Speaker 1: Saint Andrews, and when you have an opportunity like that,

906
00:48:40,480 --> 00:48:43,520
Speaker 1: you don't want to let us slip away. The pressure

907
00:48:43,600 --> 00:48:47,040
Speaker 1: is immense. Gazi won a major since the PGA in

908
00:48:47,080 --> 00:48:50,759
Speaker 1: twenty fourteen in Valhalla. It's a long time and we're

909
00:48:50,760 --> 00:48:53,160
Speaker 1: not talking about someone who's forty eight. Find someone who's

910
00:48:53,160 --> 00:48:55,560
Speaker 1: like thirty four, thirty five. I always say to people

911
00:48:55,640 --> 00:48:59,320
Speaker 1: Sancy that in two twenty fourteen, if you'd have told

912
00:48:59,360 --> 00:49:03,040
Speaker 1: someone twenty twenty three, Rory McElroy and Brooks kept are

913
00:49:03,040 --> 00:49:04,839
Speaker 1: going to have the exact same amount of majors, when

914
00:49:04,880 --> 00:49:09,200
Speaker 1: Brooks hadn't just barely gotten on the PGA tour, you'd say, well,

915
00:49:09,719 --> 00:49:11,239
Speaker 1: I don't know if Brooks could ever win one. And

916
00:49:11,280 --> 00:49:14,279
Speaker 1: you're thinking at that point he's got four. By the

917
00:49:14,280 --> 00:49:16,520
Speaker 1: time twenty three roles around, he's probably gonna have ten.

918
00:49:18,440 --> 00:49:21,160
Speaker 1: I mean, it's one hundred percent right. There's no way

919
00:49:21,160 --> 00:49:23,799
Speaker 1: in the world you could have looked back and walked

920
00:49:23,840 --> 00:49:27,160
Speaker 1: away from Valhalla and thought, you know, in twenty twenty three,

921
00:49:27,200 --> 00:49:29,719
Speaker 1: when we all convene at the Masters, MCA is gonna

922
00:49:29,719 --> 00:49:32,799
Speaker 1: have the same number of Majors. It's amazing and still

923
00:49:32,840 --> 00:49:36,080
Speaker 1: be trying to win at Augusta in his prime, Claude

924
00:49:36,200 --> 00:49:38,680
Speaker 1: and in his prime, I mean we're talking about, you know,

925
00:49:38,920 --> 00:49:42,440
Speaker 1: some really really fruitful years there that have gone away.

926
00:49:42,520 --> 00:49:45,000
Speaker 1: Now he can get on a heater and go in everywhere.

927
00:49:45,000 --> 00:49:47,839
Speaker 1: By the way, he won his Open championship at Liverpool,

928
00:49:48,040 --> 00:49:50,759
Speaker 1: so that's a good vibe for him. I think oak Hill.

929
00:49:51,040 --> 00:49:54,920
Speaker 1: Guess who's from Rochester, His wife, Erica, her entire family,

930
00:49:55,440 --> 00:49:59,400
Speaker 1: all of them from Rochester. That would be special, you know.

931
00:49:59,520 --> 00:50:03,440
Speaker 1: I think, oh, look, I think he's gonna win a Masters.

932
00:50:03,560 --> 00:50:08,319
Speaker 1: I think I think I was more confident three years

933
00:50:08,320 --> 00:50:10,799
Speaker 1: ago than I am now. But I do think he's

934
00:50:10,800 --> 00:50:12,799
Speaker 1: gonna win a Masters because I just think he's great

935
00:50:13,440 --> 00:50:16,000
Speaker 1: and I think he's a great guy, and I think

936
00:50:16,000 --> 00:50:19,719
Speaker 1: that sometimes, you know, sometimes they give you, they give

937
00:50:19,760 --> 00:50:22,200
Speaker 1: you something, you know. Ernie else had a lot of heartbreak,

938
00:50:22,880 --> 00:50:24,480
Speaker 1: had a lot of heartache, and then all of a

939
00:50:24,520 --> 00:50:27,439
Speaker 1: sudden twenty twelve but Royalitham and Saint Ann's Adam Scott,

940
00:50:27,520 --> 00:50:30,360
Speaker 1: who is a fabulous guy and a fabulous player, couldn't

941
00:50:30,360 --> 00:50:32,920
Speaker 1: make a par in the last four holes, and Ernie

942
00:50:33,160 --> 00:50:35,720
Speaker 1: made a big, big put and ended up winning another

943
00:50:35,760 --> 00:50:38,799
Speaker 1: Open championship to give him four majors, two and two

944
00:50:39,000 --> 00:50:42,040
Speaker 1: US Opens and Open championships. I think sometimes, you know,

945
00:50:42,080 --> 00:50:46,160
Speaker 1: those things happened Jack in eighty six was magical. Nineteen

946
00:50:46,200 --> 00:50:49,640
Speaker 1: with Tiger Woods was magical. Magical things tend to happen

947
00:50:49,680 --> 00:50:53,280
Speaker 1: at Augusta National, and I think other than Gene Sarazin,

948
00:50:53,719 --> 00:50:55,960
Speaker 1: and it's hard to, you know, mess with the Squire.

949
00:50:56,040 --> 00:50:58,719
Speaker 1: I love the Squire. Everybody loves the Squire. But let's

950
00:50:58,760 --> 00:51:01,799
Speaker 1: not pretend that major championships meant as much back then

951
00:51:02,239 --> 00:51:05,480
Speaker 1: as they do now. And I mean they were meaningful,

952
00:51:05,560 --> 00:51:08,359
Speaker 1: they were big, but the Masters wasn't the Masters. Then.

953
00:51:08,680 --> 00:51:10,560
Speaker 1: He's the only player in the history of the sport

954
00:51:11,040 --> 00:51:15,080
Speaker 1: to complete the Grand Slam at Augusta. So Rory is

955
00:51:15,120 --> 00:51:19,200
Speaker 1: facing some serious, serious headwinds Claude, but I think it's

956
00:51:19,200 --> 00:51:21,840
Speaker 1: going to happen, and it might. It might happen in

957
00:51:21,880 --> 00:51:31,000
Speaker 1: about six seven weeks. Lastly, changing gears totally to your world.

958
00:51:32,320 --> 00:51:35,160
Speaker 1: We've seen some of your colleagues at NBC, the great

959
00:51:35,239 --> 00:51:39,280
Speaker 1: Roger Malpe, Gary coke Um make their exits. Nick Faldo

960
00:51:39,800 --> 00:51:42,480
Speaker 1: no longer in the in the first chair up at

961
00:51:42,880 --> 00:51:46,400
Speaker 1: CBS and the new breed. Uh, you know one of

962
00:51:46,400 --> 00:51:50,319
Speaker 1: our dear, dear friends, Trevor Immerman getting that role. I

963
00:51:50,360 --> 00:51:52,239
Speaker 1: think Colt Nost is doing a hell of a job

964
00:51:52,280 --> 00:51:54,479
Speaker 1: as it's coming on to the scene. I think John

965
00:51:54,520 --> 00:51:58,320
Speaker 1: Wood's doing an amazing job. I mean, Amanda and kier Dixon,

966
00:51:58,360 --> 00:52:00,239
Speaker 1: I mean, they do great work. But there is this

967
00:52:00,320 --> 00:52:04,080
Speaker 1: youth movement and some of the old guard moving out.

968
00:52:04,200 --> 00:52:07,319
Speaker 1: And what's your take on that? How you? How you?

969
00:52:07,520 --> 00:52:09,799
Speaker 1: I mean, firstly, Trevor, how do you think he's done?

970
00:52:09,840 --> 00:52:13,440
Speaker 1: I think he's done. Unbelievable. I've worked with Trevor for

971
00:52:13,520 --> 00:52:17,359
Speaker 1: a long time. I was there when he made the

972
00:52:17,400 --> 00:52:22,600
Speaker 1: transition from playing to broadcasting, and that's not an easy

973
00:52:22,640 --> 00:52:25,000
Speaker 1: transition to make. You still want to play, you still

974
00:52:25,000 --> 00:52:26,680
Speaker 1: have the inkling to play. And he went over to

975
00:52:26,719 --> 00:52:29,520
Speaker 1: play some some European tour events. He's played some tour events,

976
00:52:29,520 --> 00:52:31,399
Speaker 1: he's played some of the US. Now he's a full

977
00:52:31,400 --> 00:52:34,600
Speaker 1: time broadcaster and he's fabulous. He's great, he looks great,

978
00:52:34,640 --> 00:52:37,280
Speaker 1: he sounds great. He knows the game, he won the Masters,

979
00:52:37,800 --> 00:52:41,160
Speaker 1: he knows today's players. I think he's a wonderful addition.

980
00:52:41,960 --> 00:52:45,239
Speaker 1: I grew, I grew to love Nick Foudo on and

981
00:52:45,400 --> 00:52:47,560
Speaker 1: off the air. He was an all time tough guy

982
00:52:47,560 --> 00:52:50,440
Speaker 1: when he played Claude, but he softened up quite a

983
00:52:50,440 --> 00:52:54,160
Speaker 1: bit once he left playing competitively. But it was time

984
00:52:54,760 --> 00:52:56,759
Speaker 1: to make that switch. And I think CBS did the

985
00:52:56,840 --> 00:52:59,440
Speaker 1: right thing in giving Trevor his shot, and I think

986
00:52:59,520 --> 00:53:01,600
Speaker 1: he's taken full advantage of it. I've been in the

987
00:53:01,600 --> 00:53:04,959
Speaker 1: booth with Trevor for years, and he's going to be great.

988
00:53:06,040 --> 00:53:08,920
Speaker 1: I think the youth movement looked. I miss Roger and

989
00:53:08,960 --> 00:53:13,920
Speaker 1: Gary on a personal level. I I miss raising a

990
00:53:13,960 --> 00:53:16,960
Speaker 1: glass with those two, cutting open a big steak with

991
00:53:17,000 --> 00:53:21,160
Speaker 1: those two, and also broadcasting with them, and listening to

992
00:53:21,200 --> 00:53:24,400
Speaker 1: them and learning from them, and hearing the funny stories

993
00:53:24,440 --> 00:53:26,960
Speaker 1: at dinner and in the trailer and during rain delays

994
00:53:26,960 --> 00:53:29,480
Speaker 1: and all the same stories we've heard twenty times and

995
00:53:29,520 --> 00:53:33,239
Speaker 1: still laugh just as hard. But you know, look, I'm

996
00:53:33,280 --> 00:53:36,400
Speaker 1: fifty four o'clock. You know time moves forward. You know

997
00:53:36,480 --> 00:53:39,440
Speaker 1: my time's gonna run out. You know everybody's time runs out,

998
00:53:39,719 --> 00:53:44,319
Speaker 1: And like golf itself, in TV, jobs are so great,

999
00:53:44,360 --> 00:53:47,160
Speaker 1: we're so lucky to have them. You normally don't leave

1000
00:53:47,160 --> 00:53:49,640
Speaker 1: on your own terms. It's just not the way it works,

1001
00:53:50,560 --> 00:53:53,280
Speaker 1: and that's okay as long as it's not taken too early.

1002
00:53:53,640 --> 00:53:56,960
Speaker 1: You know, you know, Roger and Gary are seventy seventy one.

1003
00:53:57,000 --> 00:54:00,879
Speaker 1: I believe maybe seventy and sixty nine an amazing run.

1004
00:54:01,600 --> 00:54:04,799
Speaker 1: They are sorely missed. They will be missed, they will

1005
00:54:04,800 --> 00:54:08,959
Speaker 1: never be replaced. Kurt Byram and Brad Faxon and John

1006
00:54:09,000 --> 00:54:12,799
Speaker 1: Wood and Smiley Kaufman are now the mainstays as far

1007
00:54:12,840 --> 00:54:15,120
Speaker 1: as those go. And and that's the way life works.

1008
00:54:15,160 --> 00:54:19,759
Speaker 1: I think broadcasting, Look, everything is a young man's a

1009
00:54:19,760 --> 00:54:22,840
Speaker 1: young woman's game. You know, everything is better when you're younger.

1010
00:54:23,280 --> 00:54:26,120
Speaker 1: I get that. You know, people like me and you

1011
00:54:26,160 --> 00:54:27,560
Speaker 1: were just trying to hang in there go now. You

1012
00:54:27,800 --> 00:54:30,319
Speaker 1: just hang on as long as you can and let

1013
00:54:30,400 --> 00:54:34,440
Speaker 1: the ride continue. But I think that the people who

1014
00:54:34,560 --> 00:54:38,160
Speaker 1: set the standard before you, I think it's incumbent upon

1015
00:54:38,239 --> 00:54:40,200
Speaker 1: all of us. Look, when I got hired by NBC

1016
00:54:40,800 --> 00:54:45,120
Speaker 1: in the early twenty tens, I remember thinking the responsibility

1017
00:54:45,160 --> 00:54:48,279
Speaker 1: of being on network television and being the person who

1018
00:54:48,320 --> 00:54:53,040
Speaker 1: interviews the players first, always first. There's a there's a

1019
00:54:53,040 --> 00:54:56,160
Speaker 1: heavy responsibility to that. I think there's a responsibility when

1020
00:54:56,160 --> 00:54:58,960
Speaker 1: I'm in the tower where I'm in the booth following golf,

1021
00:54:59,160 --> 00:55:04,160
Speaker 1: that the audience is enlightened, entertained, but also informed, you know,

1022
00:55:04,239 --> 00:55:06,600
Speaker 1: And there's a lot to that and the people who

1023
00:55:06,600 --> 00:55:09,960
Speaker 1: were before me. I learned a lot from and hopefully

1024
00:55:10,000 --> 00:55:13,680
Speaker 1: implement that, whether I'm doing play by player interviews, whatever

1025
00:55:13,719 --> 00:55:17,120
Speaker 1: it is. And I think these guys learned under Roger.

1026
00:55:17,280 --> 00:55:19,600
Speaker 1: John Wood is as good as he is now on

1027
00:55:19,680 --> 00:55:23,520
Speaker 1: TV because he got to work with Roger. Did he

1028
00:55:23,560 --> 00:55:25,399
Speaker 1: pick his brain all day every day? No, You've got

1029
00:55:25,400 --> 00:55:29,000
Speaker 1: to be your own person. But learning from literally who

1030
00:55:29,040 --> 00:55:32,120
Speaker 1: I think is the greatest walker of all time and

1031
00:55:32,160 --> 00:55:35,600
Speaker 1: televised golf, I think that you can only learn and

1032
00:55:35,680 --> 00:55:38,160
Speaker 1: pick up things like john Wood has. I think that

1033
00:55:38,600 --> 00:55:40,640
Speaker 1: you know, Gary cookes at the standard. As far as

1034
00:55:40,680 --> 00:55:42,560
Speaker 1: being a whole announcer, I think Nick Foudo was an

1035
00:55:42,600 --> 00:55:46,000
Speaker 1: all time great like Johnny Miller for years in the

1036
00:55:46,000 --> 00:55:49,000
Speaker 1: big chair. And I think Trevor has learned how to

1037
00:55:49,560 --> 00:55:53,600
Speaker 1: criticize but also be enthusiastic. I think that there's a

1038
00:55:53,640 --> 00:55:56,359
Speaker 1: there's a fine mix there between the two. But yeah,

1039
00:55:56,360 --> 00:56:00,680
Speaker 1: everything's going younger, everything's going less expensive. Um, you know,

1040
00:56:00,800 --> 00:56:02,480
Speaker 1: sign of the times, Claude is what it is. But

1041
00:56:02,640 --> 00:56:05,319
Speaker 1: I think that for the most part, you know, whether

1042
00:56:05,360 --> 00:56:08,600
Speaker 1: I was broadcasting or watching the West Coast, I thoroughly

1043
00:56:08,640 --> 00:56:12,680
Speaker 1: enjoyed CBS's telecasts. I think Golf Channel does a fabulous job.

1044
00:56:12,960 --> 00:56:15,839
Speaker 1: And I think NBC this past weekend, for the first time,

1045
00:56:15,880 --> 00:56:18,320
Speaker 1: we had a little bit a time at mon Maui,

1046
00:56:18,640 --> 00:56:21,120
Speaker 1: but as far as you know, in the continental United States,

1047
00:56:21,239 --> 00:56:24,640
Speaker 1: at a regular if you will quote unquote regular event

1048
00:56:24,719 --> 00:56:28,320
Speaker 1: with a full field and also a regular start times

1049
00:56:28,320 --> 00:56:31,279
Speaker 1: and end times, I think NBC picked up right where

1050
00:56:31,320 --> 00:56:34,799
Speaker 1: it left off and as one of the standards in

1051
00:56:34,920 --> 00:56:37,600
Speaker 1: all of sports television. And we're gonna have that group

1052
00:56:37,640 --> 00:56:39,360
Speaker 1: for the next five weeks from Bay Hill all the

1053
00:56:39,400 --> 00:56:41,719
Speaker 1: way to the Valero Texas Open, and I think it's

1054
00:56:41,719 --> 00:56:42,920
Speaker 1: gonna be a lot of fun. But there's a lot

1055
00:56:43,000 --> 00:56:46,439
Speaker 1: of changes going on, Claude, you know that. Um, we're

1056
00:56:46,440 --> 00:56:48,279
Speaker 1: just trying to hang in there, buddy, you know, let's

1057
00:56:48,320 --> 00:56:51,320
Speaker 1: just keep let's just keep rolling, and hopefully nobody notices

1058
00:56:51,560 --> 00:56:53,799
Speaker 1: and about ten or fifteen years from now, they go,

1059
00:56:53,880 --> 00:56:56,439
Speaker 1: you know what, that guy's still around, Get him out

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00:56:56,440 --> 00:56:59,040
Speaker 1: of here, and I will be glad to walk through

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00:56:59,120 --> 00:57:02,400
Speaker 1: that door. If it's like sixty eight sixty nine seventy,

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00:57:02,719 --> 00:57:04,680
Speaker 1: but hopefully it continues for a long time because it's

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00:57:04,680 --> 00:57:07,080
Speaker 1: a blast and I can't imagine a better way to

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00:57:07,120 --> 00:57:09,400
Speaker 1: make a living. And the people we work with and

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00:57:09,520 --> 00:57:12,880
Speaker 1: work for, Claude, I mean, we're awfully lucky to do

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00:57:12,920 --> 00:57:15,319
Speaker 1: what we do, and you're a big part of that,

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00:57:15,480 --> 00:57:17,240
Speaker 1: whether you know it or not, whether it's a text

1068
00:57:17,240 --> 00:57:20,560
Speaker 1: message for information about one of your players, whether it's

1069
00:57:20,600 --> 00:57:23,440
Speaker 1: doing a podcast with you, whether we're doing outings together

1070
00:57:23,520 --> 00:57:26,240
Speaker 1: corporate wise, or whether you grace us with your presence

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00:57:26,280 --> 00:57:29,040
Speaker 1: on the set or in a phone call because you're

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00:57:29,080 --> 00:57:32,280
Speaker 1: not on site. It's it's all a circus, man. We're

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00:57:32,280 --> 00:57:36,120
Speaker 1: all clowns in the circus Claude, and hopefully hopefully that

1074
00:57:36,200 --> 00:57:39,120
Speaker 1: big ten keeps rolling. All right. Well, we'll look forward

1075
00:57:39,160 --> 00:57:41,960
Speaker 1: to seeing you at AUGUSTA will definitely raise a glass

1076
00:57:42,000 --> 00:57:44,800
Speaker 1: and it'll be paid for by Katon. It'll be great.

1077
00:57:44,960 --> 00:57:47,600
Speaker 1: Two of the great words in the English language. Free booze.

1078
00:57:47,720 --> 00:57:52,120
Speaker 1: I mean, hopefully twenty twenty three is a little calmer

1079
00:57:52,120 --> 00:57:54,560
Speaker 1: than twenty two, and we can let the golf take

1080
00:57:54,600 --> 00:57:58,480
Speaker 1: care of the golf. Isn't that what it's supposed to be, Claude,

1081
00:57:58,120 --> 00:58:02,320
Speaker 1: Though I understand whatever everybody has their own thing. Everybody

1082
00:58:02,360 --> 00:58:05,160
Speaker 1: has their own lane, their own path. Some of them

1083
00:58:05,160 --> 00:58:07,960
Speaker 1: are rocky, some of them were paved. But golf at

1084
00:58:07,960 --> 00:58:11,440
Speaker 1: the highest level is really strong right now. These guys

1085
00:58:11,480 --> 00:58:14,400
Speaker 1: are so great, the women on the LPGA Tour. Grant

1086
00:58:14,400 --> 00:58:17,320
Speaker 1: Boon by the way, because father passed away on the

1087
00:58:17,400 --> 00:58:19,800
Speaker 1: Friday of the event at Lake Nona, and I got

1088
00:58:19,840 --> 00:58:22,360
Speaker 1: asked to come into the booth and do the LPGA

1089
00:58:22,400 --> 00:58:25,360
Speaker 1: event on Saturday and Sunday. I mean, they're playing some

1090
00:58:25,560 --> 00:58:28,960
Speaker 1: seriously high level golf on the LPGA Tour, some seriously

1091
00:58:29,040 --> 00:58:31,680
Speaker 1: high level golf on the men's side, whether it's lived

1092
00:58:31,720 --> 00:58:34,360
Speaker 1: or whether it's the PGA Tour, And hopefully it's a

1093
00:58:34,440 --> 00:58:37,320
Speaker 1: it's a little bit of a smoother ride in twenty

1094
00:58:37,360 --> 00:58:39,640
Speaker 1: twenty three. But I think we're heading in that direction,

1095
00:58:39,680 --> 00:58:42,320
Speaker 1: but I don't know who knows. All right, Well, we'll

1096
00:58:42,360 --> 00:58:43,880
Speaker 1: look forward to seeing you on TV for the next

1097
00:58:43,920 --> 00:58:46,800
Speaker 1: five weeks, Sandsy be well, all right, claud good to

1098
00:58:46,840 --> 00:58:49,160
Speaker 1: talk to you, buddy. Stay safe, I'll see it Augusta.

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00:58:53,640 --> 00:58:56,840
Speaker 1: So that was Steve Sands and I love that guy,

1100
00:58:57,000 --> 00:58:59,360
Speaker 1: and it's crazy. I used to see him on a

1101
00:58:59,400 --> 00:59:02,240
Speaker 1: regular basis and with all this craziness. That's the first

1102
00:59:02,240 --> 00:59:04,439
Speaker 1: time we've actually had a real kind of sit down

1103
00:59:04,480 --> 00:59:06,760
Speaker 1: and talk. So I think he's one of the great

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00:59:06,880 --> 00:59:09,280
Speaker 1: voices in the game, and you're going to get a

1105
00:59:09,360 --> 00:59:12,200
Speaker 1: big dose of him over the coming weeks as NBC

1106
00:59:12,360 --> 00:59:15,560
Speaker 1: takes over the coverage of the PGA Tour, So that

1107
00:59:15,720 --> 00:59:18,440
Speaker 1: is going to be a positive for me. I've been

1108
00:59:18,680 --> 00:59:22,000
Speaker 1: doing some more solo episodes of the podcast. It seemed

1109
00:59:22,040 --> 00:59:25,120
Speaker 1: to be doing well. But if you've got ideas of

1110
00:59:25,640 --> 00:59:28,920
Speaker 1: what topics you'd like me to discuss, hit me up,

1111
00:59:29,000 --> 00:59:32,560
Speaker 1: you know, send me a DM on Instagram and I'll

1112
00:59:32,600 --> 00:59:35,160
Speaker 1: try and get to as many solo topics as I

1113
00:59:35,160 --> 00:59:37,040
Speaker 1: can get to. Um, it's always great to have guests on,

1114
00:59:37,400 --> 00:59:39,520
Speaker 1: but if you want to hear me talk about anything

1115
00:59:40,280 --> 00:59:44,240
Speaker 1: golf related, let me know, because I'm happy to do it.

1116
00:59:44,280 --> 00:59:46,680
Speaker 1: I like doing the solo ones. Um it's kind of like,

1117
00:59:47,080 --> 00:59:49,800
Speaker 1: you know, given lessons. It's definitely part of my job

1118
00:59:49,880 --> 00:59:53,120
Speaker 1: and I really like doing them. So hit me up,

1119
00:59:53,400 --> 00:59:58,240
Speaker 1: let me know which topics you'd like to discuss. And

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Speaker 1: I can't thank everybody enough. I keep say this, but um,

1121
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Speaker 1: the fact that everybody's listening when I'm at tournaments people

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01:00:04,480 --> 01:00:06,080
Speaker 1: come up and say they're big fans of the podcast,

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01:00:06,120 --> 01:00:08,160
Speaker 1: and that is just that is so cool for me

1124
01:00:08,280 --> 01:00:12,360
Speaker 1: to to to hear that, and um, I love doing it. Um.

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Speaker 1: Thanks everyone for listening, rate, review, subscribe, wherever you get

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Speaker 1: your podcasts. Son of a Buich comes to you every Wednesday.

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Speaker 1: We will be back next week.